#Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest
iron pilot
iron pilot
piss colored liz
I'd say make them Frost Five colored
without Blue
so red green yellow and brown
hollow trail
purple indicates weak to phys
was it actually, i thought it was elec (and then phys cuz they start shifting)
hollow trail
https://youtu.be/DgtVxhRi7fM
mitsuru felt L?
kinda
would you say the skill balance changed the fight for the better even without new AI
ashen pulsar
for zenon purple was all and final battle purple was phys yeah
ashen pulsar
Unless it was also elec (I didn't use elec because I forgot to give my doppelganger life surge)
iron pilot
would you say the skill balance changed the fight for the better even without ne...
absolutely
hollow trail
iron pilot
Akihiko's theurgia charge being high is a factor that made me consider him over Mitsuru
hollow trail
buffboy w?
iron pilot
since the fight isn't 3 sets of turns anymore
ashen pulsar
key word consider 
iron pilot
being longer in this case just means that we can actually get into the fight instead of nuking it
the theurgia spells are around the same though, right?
that wasn't changed?
hollow trail
i didn't touch theurgy yet cuz i wasn't sure how it worked
i will in the next patch
ashen pulsar
hollow trail
open to ideas cuz ugh
i do think they should still be the highest damage move in the set, it's literally the gauge ultimate
ashen pulsar
I think they could really implement more support ideas although animations are kinda set in stone lol
hollow trail
yeah anims shaft the idea
ashen pulsar
akimidko debuff!!
hollow trail
actually yeah why isn't electric onslaught the debilitating one
ashen pulsar
because atlus was thinking with the wrong head
hollow trail
boob physics
iron pilot
actually yeah why isn't electric onslaught the debilitating one
you could always add in extra effects on it
hollow trail
i can, yes
i don't want it to become a convoluted mess
no offense, but i look at memento moris theurgy changes for example and it feels like
iron pilot
I think that's fine for now, the odds of doing this to Lovers is pretty low with the changes you did
ashen pulsar
P5RR reference?
iron pilot
Junpei casually doing this and people still think he sucks before Deathbound
hollow trail
I think that's fine for now, the odds of doing this to Lovers is pretty low with...
keep in mind the fight being longer also does mean that kind of luck becomes less balance-shifting
ashen pulsar
junpei literally having scarlet havoc base kit
iron pilot
keep in mind the fight being longer also does mean that kind of luck becomes les...
maybe, maybe
hollow trail
was that crit with mq
hollow trail
they happen!!!!!
shinji kept getting them yesterday when i was testing
aki too
somehow
iron pilot
ailment probs
iron pilot
anyways I'll continue on the run
ashen pulsar
doggy op
hollow trail
oh i didn't use it yet but I'm 99.9% sure it will
hollow trail
omg playing as intended!!!!
ashen pulsar
iron pilot
Oh yeah
Can you like, make existing theurgia upgrade but for all?
Like how Fuuka's work
That can open up some ideas like for example, Akihiko's lightning AoE getting a Marakunda effect
hollow trail
Can you like, make existing theurgia upgrade but for all?
gonna let you in on a secret
oracle doesn't get upgraded
revelation is something entirely different
iron pilot
Aw.
hollow trail
would need to make a new theurgy
hollow trail
I know it's making the new one that's cbt
iron pilot
Damn
bronze seal
those were confusing me too. some of it follows the skill id pattern, some doesn't. i just partially documented the ones i saw so far as i saw them.
3 +30 hp
16 shock low
19 confuse low
12 + 100 sp
21 +10 sp
21 confuse high
24 fear high
26 distress med
33 rage high
34 poison low
35 poison med
36 poison high?
37 random ailment low
38 random ailment med
39 random ailment high
40 crit rate low
41 crit rate med
42 crit rate high
43 slash boost?
44 strike boost
45 pierce boost
53 counterstrike
97 reduce wind low
133 light evasion low
190 ice amp
191 elec amp
192 wind amp?
193 light amp?
194 dark amp
202 arms master
233 dizzy boost
234 ignore resist
253 regen 3/invigor 3
254 magic ability ```i don't quite see a consistent correlation
yeah, i had the same idea too. mitsuru holds a pike, and it's slash. ken holds a pike, and it's pierce. documented the weapon model id's with what kind of weapon they are, and assigned an affinity to each model. makes weapons feel nice.
some dumb models like shinji's strike boost weapon having an axe model and not a hammer model. brilliant stuff. nameless katana? it's not the katana model.
dreamy orchid
i think elemental attacks are just hardcoded to be unable to crit
tried giving magic a crit chance and even making it scale on str and it did nothing lol
dreamy orchid
those were confusing me too. some of it follows the skill id pattern, some doesn...
everything below 52 is a boost btw
46 fire boost
47 ice boost
48 elec boost
49 wind boost
50 light boost
51 dark boost
52 was counter iirc
bronze seal
yeah, i assumed
dreamy orchid
shame that some skills just aren't obtainable there
i wanted to give a weapon almighty boost but nah that shit just ain't included
bronze seal
yeah, that's the same damn thing i wanted
dreamy orchid
weapons also can't be made almighty affinity but can be made anything else
celest kindle
Would you also give that treatment to the Koromaru Bone Weapon
bronze seal
megiddo ark, and it isn't almighty like in p2?
hollow trail
200 was strike boost iirc
anyway
fes didn't hardcode magic crits
almighty has crit in NM doesn't it
dreamy orchid
nah it had knockdown chance
but not crit
str-based almighty skills can crit in 3/4/5 though
but i haven't tested it for p3n
hollow trail
ah
dreamy orchid
but if something scales on magic, it can never crit
bronze seal
weapons also can't be made almighty affinity but can be made anything else
oh, they can't? i thought i tested that and it worked. maybe misremembering.
dreamy orchid
i think only phys typing and almighty can crit too
hollow trail
Would you also give that treatment to the Koromaru Bone Weapon
almighty bone 
bronze seal
i know weapons can have fuuka damage and it works. the fuuka bazooka is real.
hollow trail
i think only phys typing and almighty can crit too
have you tried setting magic to koukatype 2 does that do anything
dreamy orchid
oh, they can't? i thought i tested that and it worked. maybe misremembering.
anything after dark makes them just not have an attack stat in the menu like how fuuka doesn't
hollow trail
i know weapons can have fuuka damage and it works. the fuuka bazooka is real.
wtf is fuuka damage
dreamy orchid
have you tried setting magic to koukatype 2 does that do anything
i haven't cus i only tested it briefly
fuuka has her own affinity for her skills
hollow trail
i know
bronze seal
attacks of the fuuka affinity cause fuuka damage, duh
presumably, enemies that block fuuka block fuuka damage
dreamy orchid
you can make an attack use it and it basically just becomes almighty but unaffected by boosts
bronze seal
damn, no fuuka amp?
dreamy orchid
fuuka driver
hollow trail
make oracle have chance of fuuka damage megidolaon
celest kindle
Still wonder why she has an affinity
Was she meant to attack enemies at one point?
hollow trail
no lol
dreamy orchid
make one of the oracle effects set you to 1hp and sp 
hollow trail
its so it shows as a move type in the menu screen
dreamy orchid
Still wonder why she has an affinity
its just to make them seperate in the menu
celest kindle
make one of the oracle effects set you to 1hp and sp <:fire:1122186816087392368>
Fuukageddon
bronze seal
dreamy orchid
wtf is that skill animation
bronze seal
sinful shell
celest kindle
Primal Megidolaon
dreamy orchid
oh i never used the dlc shit
bronze seal
yeah, i tried to make them different
dreamy orchid
almighty is able to cus nyx uses it
and its specifically str-based almighty
if it scales on magic it can just never crit
ashen pulsar
slash/strike/pierce/almighty when st based can crit
if ma based, they cannot crit, even if magic is st based and given a crit rate it cannot crit
almighty is the only exception because of almighty attack
bronze seal
we're not talking about reload, right?
ashen pulsar
those were confusing me too. some of it follows the skill id pattern, some doesn...
the same thing applies in fes, skill assignments on weapons are done with a separate table of values, even unused ones
some of your missing ones like 2 for example is in all likelihood +20 hp, same with 17 and 18 likely being shock med and shock high
you just gotta complete the table
bronze seal
yeah, i'm sure it doesn't have all the skills, but i'm sure it also has unused ones i won't find just by looking at the in-game weapons
fill in the gaps
ashen pulsar
the fun part is when items use unnamed skills that are hard to track, and thus can't be used for new skill slots
bronze seal
ah, damn, some of the item skills are unnamed?
i was planning to see what you could do with those
ashen pulsar
i would look into stuff like incenses
i haven't checked p3n all that much but they've traditionally been unnamed and unmarked
bronze seal
i was displeased to find that all the revive items just use recarm and samarecarm and can't have separate values. UNLESS.....
dreamy orchid
find some unused skill with the same animation
bronze seal
well, there's so many item skills like, you know, bread this and medicine that, you really could use them and change their item skills
will people really complain if bread now restores 50 hp instead of 20?
the controversial bread buff
ashen pulsar
wouldn't that just negate medicine
dreamy orchid
yea
bronze seal
perfect, elizabeth has a 100% poison skill. it just needs to apply that to self.
ashen pulsar
use jin's for the bread
ashen pulsar
it's some really good tasting bread
bronze seal
you know, i was actually trying to get recarmdra to be able to kill you in some way since i put it on yukari. sadly, i don't think it can work like that. reviving someone without a heal makes them die, so it has to heal and not damage the user, and a 100% HP cost with the use-past-hp flag puts you in a sort of limbo state with 0 hp.
i was thinking, like, costs 80% hp, even if lethal
hollow trail
wtf lol 🥴
bronze seal
it's recarmdra. it's supposed to kill the user.
just has to be situational somehow...
ashen pulsar
p2 recarm-dora
bronze seal
exactly. the only reason it doesn't is because they couldn't figure out a way to implement it.
ashen pulsar
what
bronze seal
what? that's what it did in every single game before 3, but p3's system doesn't quite work with it.
ashen pulsar
i don't think it's that they couldn't figure out how to implement it lol
creative decision to change it
bronze seal
isn't it because the protagonist dying is game over? no other megaten games adopted the change.
seems impossible to keep it as it is, so they changed it
but maybe if i'm clever, i can make it closer...? maybe.
hollow trail
recarmdra as a whole is shit design, should not exist
ashen pulsar
</3
dreamy orchid
i think recarmdra is funny
shit design is revival beads and balms of life being equivalent to recarm and samarecarm
literally zero reason to keep those skills
dreamy orchid
i think eternal punishment's recarmdra is fine
kills user to revive everyone else with 25% hp
bronze seal
yeah, it wasn't bad
dreamy orchid
you need to then heal everyone else and revive the person who sacrificed, so its still useful for turn economy but hardly a get out of jail free card
bronze seal
exactly
hollow trail
It's only good because there is no alternative without downsides
it would be shit in a game where oracle and divine intervention exist
dreamy orchid
turn divine intervention into recarmdra
hollow trail
20% HP cost, heal 20% HP
give this to shinji, feed into junpei/aki
iron pilot
It's only good because there is no alternative without downsides
Soma:
hollow trail
literally synergy
iron pilot
Infinitely farmable Soma
dreamy orchid
only losers farm that shit tho
iron pilot
Perusona 2 Batsu
dreamy orchid
are you a loser bdjk
dreamy orchid
its over
hollow trail
give this to shinji, feed into junpei/aki
I'm doing this now and you can't stop me, sorry
ashen pulsar
don't call bdjk a loser
bronze seal
i put recarmdra on latergame shinji too. my current testing for it now is reduce hp to 1, revive all members with 1 hp. i might need to have them revived with a debuff too, not sure. (keep in mind mediaharan isn't necessarily a full heal from 1 hp in this mod.)
but, you have to find out what doesn't work to find out what does work!
hollow trail
dreamy orchid
he had ali dance equipped so he dodged it bro
bronze seal
what?
ashen pulsar
canonize pocketwatch
hollow trail
I'm doing this now and you can't stop me, sorry
actually this isn't as cool as it sounds because bloody charge is 40% already
nvm
ashen pulsar
aww
dreamy orchid
canonize pocketwatch
||this would be even stupider in p3n considering he gets shot in the back now||
bronze seal
all i did was make the game check for the flag for his max link epi and set his unlock and sortie values every day if it's 1
iron pilot
Nah that happens in P3P too
The idea is the pocketwatch stopped the first shot
ashen pulsar
||this would be even stupider in p3n considering he gets shot in the back now||
so you're saying he's a coward?
dreamy orchid
Goku survived the dodonpa because of the dragon ball hidden under his gi bro
bronze seal
it's perfectly plausible depending on the gun
takaya has a s&w 500 magnum
(a pocketwatch will not stop that)
iron pilot
Goku survived the dodonpa because of the dragon ball hidden under his gi bro
Back in the future 3 when Marty copied the Poncho zombie in PvZ2
bronze seal
no, it's a different mod
celest kindle
Make it so Shinji gets too shot by Takaya if you cheat him into any of the Takaya fights
bronze seal
i was gonna upload it today
celest kindle
ashen pulsar
rebalance mod making critical story changes
lol
i mean that's what fes did too
dreamy orchid
i found a genius
hollow trail
what the fuck am i looking at
bronze seal
nice, got that extra tarunda for the sp save
dreamy orchid
he deleted god's hand and went "i never use this skill anyways it sucks"
this guy is high iq
iron pilot
Perusona youtubers are a different breed
hollow trail
bait
dreamy orchid
nah this is unironic
celest kindle
Proof
dreamy orchid
hes fighting every enemy with basic attacks and level 1 elements
dreamy orchid
all of his personas are like level 30
hollow trail
mudkip also kept single and aoe buffs on all characters
dreamy orchid
lmao
hollow trail
"because i don't want to waste sp sometimes"
dreamy orchid
hamamudotrue kept sukunda over masukunda on yukari
and deleted koro's phys attacks
bronze seal
big brain stuff
ashen pulsar
didn't mudkip also put in like 15k gb points to remove agility as a mechanic
hollow trail
i didn't see
bronze seal
aoe's have less accuracy anyway, so you want to keep single-target debuffs. everyone knows that.
celest kindle
mudkip also kept single and aoe buffs on all characters
Tbh that has its uses but
It's one thing to keep Ziodyne and Maziodyne and another to keep Zio and Mazio
hollow trail
it's literally a waste of slot
hollow trail
No keeping Zio could actually be justified
celest kindle
How.
dreamy orchid
dynes are bad enough to where keeping the lower level ones just for knockdown and ailment (its the same rate) isn't even that bad
not as if you're ever using magic against neutral resistance anyways
bronze seal
yeah, reload really hated -dyne spells specifically
bronze seal
i did that in p3p too
celest kindle
Oh is this an SMT IV situation
dreamy orchid
okay no this guy is a genuine genius
ashen pulsar
let them cook
hollow trail
you're biting the bait
hollow trail
no meovv this is fully unironic
yes but not in the "I'm playing optimally" way
it has underlying sarcasm
100%
dreamy orchid
i dont think someone who uploaded this is being ironic
iron pilot
He has more views than me
ashen pulsar
jealousy
dreamy orchid
bdjk owned
hollow trail
i dont think someone who uploaded this is being ironic
miserable because they have a purposely gimped kit
it makes sense lol
dreamy orchid
this guy is hilarious tho
hollow trail
shadow of the abyss was an ok fight i had to make new build for it 
dreamy orchid
hes only using aki/yukari/mitsuru
ashen pulsar
i thought that one was auto win
dreamy orchid
GOATed comp, covers all debuffs
ashen pulsar
or is that a diff one
hollow trail
takaya version is auto win
celest kindle
Shadow of the Abyss was way scarier looking than it was actually scary
dreamy orchid
i thought that one was auto win
you fight it once as a scripted fight then again as the final monad boss
hollow trail
this is before Elizabeth
celest kindle
I lost 4 times on the boss before it and won the Shadow of The Abyss fight first time
iron pilot
shadow of the abyss was an ok fight i had to make new build for it <:naotoshrug:...
He was aight, I did a magic + phys strat lol
hollow trail
i don't remember what i did but i do remember it took some effort
ended it with reflects though
dreamy orchid
i remember one shotting it with ken theurgia
ashen pulsar
amada boy op?
dreamy orchid
hes cracked trust
hollow trail
he was very cracked
iron pilot
I have it recorded
ashen pulsar
shoulda used mamada bdjk...
iron pilot
It's stupid
plucky dust
if Anubing with whole party was a more prevalent strat
:sh2_true:
atomic swallow
ashen pulsar
phys_true
dreamy orchid
Kinda thinking Junpei, Mitsuru, Aigis
akihiko
only akihiko
or bring aigis to help out buff amp
iron pilot
Nah I'm banking on great clock tutorial
hard vault
hollow trail
:sh2_true:
mmmmm not quite, as sh2 doesn't provide rewards for anubing in that same sense, it's a damage additive, so you still want dynes
ashen pulsar
or the funny multihit ones
celest kindle
you don't get stack per target hit though, simply more dmg
Stack per target hit would be insane
celest kindle
I'm guessing by Maha skills you just mean the Multi-Hits
Which for the purpose of building stack i guess they're kinda useless but they help clearing out enemies quick with stacks by already having some damage spread out to enemies with that weakness
At least that's how, I've interpreted the way to use them
iron pilot
buff amp boy W????
iron pilot
Yeah but this is a great tool to show Akihiko's uselessness
ashen pulsar
mutate hiito rizaa
iron pilot
"oh I have matarukaja he should be good now, right???"
ashen pulsar
wrong channel btw
hollow trail
lol
celest kindle
Need to know real quick
Were any changes done to the Priestess boss?
Need to know to discern whether I was having skill issue overload or not
dreamy orchid
meovv changed the affinities a bit and made the adds target weakness
celest kindle
Hm
Well i was getting instakilled as soon as those got a turn 😭
Her 2 little guys exploited Junpei and Yukari's weakness and then hit me on the way there
After that, Priestess did cleanup with a Bufula on me and i was a goner
Though one thing i think might've have affected the battle a little was not having Eiha or Kouha
I had that on my first go-around and i think the adds had that as weaknesses
dreamy orchid
meovv made the weaknesses fire/wind/elec iirc
celest kindle
For real???
dreamy orchid
yea
celest kindle
Because i used Wind on the adds and they resisted
Same goes to fire iirc
And Elec
Lemme get there and record in case it's smth unintended
Alright i think i missed
One thing
I found the add that was weak to fire
The one that resisted wind tho was still there
celest kindle
Ok nvm I'm just washed
There we go
Never-seen-before MQ Skill Issue gameplay warning
viewer discretion is advised
hollow trail
no
the weaknesses are same as vanilla
i just made the spawns random
it's fire/wind first then only ice in vanilla
mq makes it full random
celest kindle
Ah ic ic
hollow trail
oh and slash/pierce too
mq removes the phys weakness
dub jumpscare!!!! aaaaaaaaaa
celest kindle
So they have no phys weakness
celest kindle
I honestly didn't remember them having that
hollow trail
@ashen pulsar thanks for description update now i dont have to do it
celest kindle
I think i just got massively unlucky that one time to have not tried fire
Cuz then I didn't and then my whole team got shafted and i got Bufula'd in the end by the priestess
Don't know if that's avoidable i think lvls 10-11 might be enough for this fight unless I'm reaching
celest kindle
Not the Agifrost 
ashen pulsar
<@295319987621593088> thanks for description update now i dont have to do it
i didn't
celest kindle
WE STAY WINNING
Gosh that was hard
Props to MQ i don't think i woulda actually been challenged like that without it
Had to do a bunch of Rakunda and Tarunda and the fully random support shadows really added to the tension
hollow trail
pog
dreamy orchid
~~i didn't~~ <:naotroll:846644435911049237>
smh taking my credit
hollow trail
Difficulty Param:
Removed Merciless Weak/Crit damage boost (Player Side only)
Theurgy:
Hack n' Blast - Reduced Power to 200, Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Scarlet Havoc - Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Bleeding Fury - Reduced Power to 250, Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Maximum Firepower - Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Orgia Mode - Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Proposed (Not implemented) changes to Theurgy:
Orgia Mode - Include AI Tactics Fixes in Master Quest for better control of Aigis
Adjust power for: Electric Onslaught, Trickster, Jack Brothers, Lightning Spike, Divine Retribution, Hound of Hades
Best Friends - Increase At/Df/Hit/Ev/Crit to All Allies, Remove Charge/Concentrate
BtlCalc:
Reduced Accuracy Floor 50% -> 0%
Increased Accuracy Ceiling 99% -> 100%
Increased Ailment Accuracy Ceiling 99% -> 100%
Increased Escape Rate Ceiling 99% -> 100%
Reduced Charge 2.3x -> 2.0x
Reduced Concentrate 2.3x -> 2.0x
Lowered Player's Ailment Recovery Rate 70% -> 50%
Increased Enemy's Ailment Recovery Rate 30% -> 50%
Junpei Crit Boost 1.2x -> 1.1x
Junpei Crit Amp 1.4x -> 1.2x
Akihiko Buff Boost 1.1x -> 1.2x
Akihiko Buff Amp 1.3x -> 1.5x
Reduced Poison Damage Ceiling 9999 -> 250
Reduced Poison Damage Per Turn 20% -> 5%
High Counter 20% -> 50% 
(/j)
ashen pulsar
BUFF AMP!!!
ashen pulsar
sukukaja_true
ashen pulsar
I mean
depending on how exactly it works in p3n
Akihiko with sukukaja now might be better than Ali dance
hollow trail
if sukukaja applies a reduction to acc the ceiling being 0% is nuts yeah
i have to check
hollow trail
inb4 its acc floor and ali dance op
ashen pulsar
wdym
It does that for everything that can miss
If it has 100% acc Ali dance gets fucked
If it has 99% acc Ali dance makes it 50%
hollow trail
ali dance truthers
hollow trail
If it has 100% acc Ali dance gets fucked
then it wouldn't set all hit rates to floor
100 would be 50
hollow trail
ig
dreamy orchid
Difficulty Param:
Removed Merciless Weak/Crit damage boost (Player Side only)
T...
1.5x buff amp?!?!
akihiko now the hardest hitting character in all categories?
ashen pulsar
why did you nerf poison damage % btw
cap makes sense but now it's kind of a nothing ailment on the player with the only downsides being no shift/theurgia
budget unshaken will
ashen pulsar
bdjk: akihiko sucks
also bdjk: buff amp is goated
hollow trail
now it's good?
iron pilot
The passive is good, it's just on a bad character
That's the problem
He's carried by the passive basically
ashen pulsar
the issue is that it doesn't synergize with his own skills
iron pilot
Yea
hollow trail
why did you nerf poison damage % btw
because 250 damage is a lot in early game, and decent in lategame, where 5% would be a ridiculous number if uncapped
okay buff boost/amp going back to their default values i guess
🥴
aki S tier for a total of uhhh
13 minutes
good while it lasted
ashen pulsar
but yeah technically buff amp makes akihiko a better magic user than midsuru, buff amp is stronger than her magic ability sword and she doesn't have a damaging trait
hollow trail
because 250 damage is a lot in early game, and decent in lategame, where 5% woul...
uhh to add onto this
poison should be chip damage, not the primary choice of damage dealing
looking at you and your yukari bow
actually shit wait
this change makes jin actually hard again LMFAO??
potent stim is poison
errant pumice
How to make Yukari poison bow nerfed
Remove poison effect, lmao
hollow trail
her having poison bow isn't that bad
celest kindle
Does the poison get really strong?
hollow trail
yes
it's 20% of the enemy's hp
always
regardless of level
so if yukari poisons someone you can just spam guard and win
errant pumice
The level 2 Yukari killing the level 80 enemies
errant pumice
I’m kidding
celest kindle
It got them pretty close to death tho whenever i used it
hollow trail
poison doesn't kill but it gets you 80% of the way there
celest kindle
Yea
Pretty useful
Didn't know it was still relevant late game
Fixing the issue with the Poison Bow would probably require changing poison entirely
Unless that 20% behavior is specific to the bow
hollow trail
no
it's poison in general
lmao
the bow isnt as bad as you think
she has poisma
which has even higher hitrate
errant pumice
Does full moon bosses take poison damage or do they block it?
hollow trail
every boss except tartarus gatekeepers and jin block poison
celest kindle
I'm pretty sure most full moon bosses resist every ailment
dreamy orchid
koromaru virus breath goated
hollow trail
poison imo is best as a chip damage additive (5% WILL be 250 in the lategame lol)
dreamy orchid
why did they give the almighty ailment skill to koromaru and not the ailment-focused magic user
hollow trail
you slap poison on the enemy and it just adds bonus damage while you keep fighting
celest kindle
I'm pretty sure most full moon bosses resist every ailment
Kinda wasted on enemies with adds tbh
hollow trail
poison being the primary damage source is stupid
celest kindle
Yea that makes sense
errant pumice
So Poison is going to be left as is or are you going to nerf it?
celest kindle
I mean sounds pretty clear they're gonna nerf it to me lol
hollow trail
big nerf and i gotta test jin after this lol
i mean tbf i can just armageddon him after the megidolaon and vorpal blade
but poisoning him before second phase doesn't make it an instawin anymore
suboptimal, even
dreamy orchid
you technically need to be overleveled for armageddon but chances are you will get it normally cus this game gives you a billion xp
hollow trail
Difficulty Param:
Removed Merciless Weak/Crit damage boost (Player Side only)
Theurgy:
Hack n' Blast - Reduced Power to 200, Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Scarlet Havoc - Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Bleeding Fury - Reduced Power to 250, Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Maximum Firepower - Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Orgia Mode - Crit to 1% (Additive with boosts and guaranteed under Freeze)
Proposed (Not implemented) changes to Theurgy:
Orgia Mode - Include AI Tactics Fixes in Master Quest for better control of Aigis
Adjust power for: Electric Onslaught, Trickster, Jack Brothers, Lightning Spike, Divine Retribution, Hound of Hades
Best Friends - Increase At/Df/Hit/Ev/Crit to All Allies, Remove Charge/Concentrate
BtlCalc:
Reduced Accuracy Floor 50% -> 0%
Increased Accuracy Ceiling 99% -> 100%
Increased Ailment Accuracy Ceiling 99% -> 100%
Increased Escape Rate Ceiling 99% -> 100%
Reduced Charge 2.3x -> 2.0x
Reduced Concentrate 2.3x -> 2.0x
Lowered Player's Ailment Recovery Rate 70% -> 50%
Increased Enemy's Ailment Recovery Rate 30% -> 50%
Junpei Crit Boost 1.2x -> 1.1x
Junpei Crit Amp 1.4x -> 1.2x
Akihiko Buff Boost 1.1x -> 1.2x
Akihiko Buff Amp 1.3x -> 1.5x Reverted buffboy to vanilla 
Reduced Poison Damage Ceiling 9999 -> 250
Reduced Poison Damage Per Turn 20% -> 5%
celest kindle
True
iron pilot
You need to hang out with yongyea tho
hollow trail
only if you're a dub player
iron pilot
Also from what I can tell, Crit Boost does pretty decent damage in early and mid game so I think that's good
Also wdym by reduce power to 200 on hack and blast
It's 200 in vanilla iirc
hollow trail
its 250, check aqiu
i also physically changed 250 to 200 on the table
so yeah its 250
dreamy orchid
its 250 yeah
dreamy orchid
more like it will synergise with koromaru lmao
although the 1% crit harms junpei the least
iron pilot
He already synergizes with Mitsuru as is
dreamy orchid
cus he gets +10% by default
hollow trail
why koro
dreamy orchid
revolution
dreamy orchid
+15% crit with no conditional requirement attached
hollow trail
this game's crit boosts are so good that im not scared of making skill crit rates abysmal
the boosts will make them "good"
dreamy orchid
it will make apt pupil dogshit but no party member has that innate
so who care basically
dreamy orchid
no its base
hollow trail
funny havoc shouldn't be a crit gamble skill to begin with
im ok with it being enabled off of ailment synergy
but not pure gamble
2 + 5 + 15 (+15 Mitsuru W) is not bad though
dreamy orchid
1% scarlet havoc crit is authentic to p3
now you just need to make it do no damage and it'll be a real p3 reference
hollow trail
theoretical max crit for scarlet havoc (without freeze) is 97%
iron pilot
Speaking of which, you're gonna like
Touch a lot of bosses' ailment spreads, right?
hollow trail
theoretical max crit for scarlet havoc (without freeze) is 97%
actually no its 100%
iron pilot
Hm? How
dreamy orchid
2 + 5 + 15 (+15 Mitsuru W) is not bad though
crit rate amp overwrites crit rate boost btw
so -5%
iron pilot
1 + 15 + 15 + 7 + 1 + 60 + 15 oh wait yeah that's 100
But that involves distress
Lmao
iron pilot
Yeah
dreamy orchid
mitsuru eerie sound peak
hollow trail
wheres source on that
dreamy orchid
is that how we found out that shock rolls for crit twice as well
hollow trail
Scarlet Havoc 1%
Apt Pupil x2 (2%)
Crit Rate Boost (+5% = 7%)
Crit Rate Amp (+15% = 22%)
Overwrite apparently so (-5% = 17%)
Mitsuru Boost (+15% = 32%)
Distress Boost (+60% = 92%)
Revolution (Idk exact % but it will be 100%)
iron pilot
15% revolution
iron pilot
And it stacks with rebellion
iron pilot
Yeah
hollow trail
requiring several boosts to maximize the potential
iron pilot
You get Revolution starting Yabasshah
And Matarukaja
So at that point you have basically all tools
For crits being decently reliable
You might need to be good at s.links though
Lmao
hollow trail
And it stacks with rebellion
how much is rebellion
iron pilot
7%
Apparently been like that in P5 too
I guess it makes sense
7.5% to 15%
But since the game rounds down
Voila
hollow trail
can junpei get apt pupil equipment
dreamy orchid
his ult weapon has it
hollow trail
ah
dreamy orchid
lmao
iron pilot
We freeze people
dreamy orchid
yoooo??
celest kindle
I think that's used for battle end dialogue
Like the stuff on the tutorial
When the gang first uses AOAs
hollow trail
I think that's used for battle end dialogue
yes, i dont care what it is, as long as it's something that executes at the end of battle
i'll check tho
celest kindle
It should work then i think
vale wharf
tiredness real?
hollow trail
yes, i dont care what it is, as long as it's something that executes at the end ...
it does execute after all battles
because of the split-up mechanic
this script handles it
vale wharf
oooh nice
celest kindle
Yooooooo
hollow trail
[msg MSG_SUGGEST_FUKA_00 [Fuuka Yamagishi]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 6 0 65535 50 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 5061 0 0]We've secured the area. Do you want to send someone out to scout ahead?[n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_YUKARI_00 [Yukari Takeba]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 2 1 65535 65535 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 1002 0 0]I'm on it! Just let me handle this![n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_JUNPEI_00 [Junpei Iori]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 3 1 65535 65535 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 2001 0 0]C'mon, dude. You know I'm the man for the job.[n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_SANADA_00 [Akihiko Sanada]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 4 1 65535 65535 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 3001 0 0]I'll go. My training's prepared me for this.[n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_MITSURU_0 [Mitsuru Kirijo]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 5 1 65535 65535 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 4001 0 0]Allow me. Don't worry, I'll clear us a path.[n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_FUKA_00 [Fuuka Yamagishi]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 6 1 65535 50 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 5068 0 0]Oh, I think Koro-chan's volunteering to go! Well then, we're counting on you, Koro-chan.[n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_AEGIS_00 [Aigis]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 7 0 65535 65535 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 6019 0 0]I'll go. I have experience conducting solo missions.[n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_AMADA_00 [Ken Amada]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 8 1 65535 65535 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 7002 0 0]Leave it to me! There's no way those Shadows will find me![n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_KOROMARU_ [Koromaru]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 9 1 65535 65535 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 8001 0 0]Arf, arf![n][uf 1 1][e]
[msg MSG_SEPARATELY_ARAGAKI_0 [Shinjiro Aragaki]]
[uf 0 5 65278][uf 2 1][uf 4 5 10 0 65535 65535 0 0][uf 3 1 3 0 65535 9005 0 0]I got this. You cool with that?[n][uf 1 1][e]```P3RE Tiredness...
celest kindle
because of the split-up mechanic
There's actual code for that still around?
hollow trail
no, i mean the actual split up that is actually in the game
if after every battle i run a timer, and kick out tired people, it acts as tiredness would it not
ashen pulsar
poggers
dreamy orchid
tiredness bros... we won.
vale wharf
if after every battle i run a timer, and kick out tired people, it acts as tired...
Lmao more or less >:3
celest kindle
no, i mean the actual split up that is actually in the game
Oh the floor scouting
hollow trail
Lmao more or less >:3
you can just disable sortie, they'll leave tartarus and be greyed out in menu
its supported by the game already
even better, if sortie is reset every day without me having to manually re-enable it, i can implement this so fucking fast
omg
oh yeah
i can also use this to set all Theurgy bars to 0 after battle
at least i think i can
ashen pulsar
hollow trail
there's a function in mod menu to fill the bar and i think it just sets the rate to 100%?
if it's a restore function then i cant
nevermind
it's SET_TP
i can set it to 0 methinks
ashen pulsar
no balls u won't
hollow trail
@vale wharf can't tell if it's either not executing or if something went wrong in compilation 
gonna slap it on every function in the bf instead of just 000
theres just no way this isnt executing on every battle though
makes no sense
vale wharf
~~inb4 it's hardcoded/a BP determines when that BF executes after a battle and not just after every single battle 
~~ /j (hopefully 
)
hollow trail
there is a flag
actually
opcode issue pretty sure
there's a flag in the field sector
FLD_DNG_BATTLE_END_CALL_SCRIPT
resets to 0 after every battle or changing floors
i'm convinced the game is just running the vanilla bf
@vale wharf you wouldn't happen to know if it's normal for BFs compiled by AtlusScriptTools to crash upon being re-decompiled would you
because that happens here
im just assuming something's going terribly wrong when i compile lmao
actually yeah, cuz i can decompile mod menu or my own stuff just fine
something fishy's here lol
vale wharf
<@229072191746998272> you wouldn't happen to know if it's normal for BFs compile...
When you say crash do you mean AST crashes when decompiling or are you describing Compiling -> Decompiling -> Compiling -> Game Crash
either way neither of those should be happening as far as im aware; closest to that would be if you put the BF in the wrong directory or something but otherwise if the file compiles it should work fine
hollow trail
i mean as in
decompile original
edit bf
compile new usasset
attempt to decompile new uasset
get error
vale wharf
Hmmm as far as I'm aware that shouldn't be an issue at all
hollow trail
i see it as an indication its not properly compiled, because i'm able to decompile my own modded uassets just fine
i did it to reverse mod menu too
vale wharf
Yeah I went ahead and decompiled the uasset I made for Rewatch TV just fine so something's up with that file 🤔
hollow trail
Yeah I went ahead and decompiled the uasset I made for Rewatch TV just fine so s...
could you maybe try replicating? Xrd777/Field/Data/DataAsset/Bf/Dungeon/BattleEnd/BF_Fld_BattleEnd.uasset
if it works maybe i'm just on an extremely old version of the fork ig
decompiling and recompiling with no edits should do the trick
once that's working i'll have to figure out how split-up works because i suspect the chance is 100% and it's instead controlled by a flag that gets toggled on floor change
having a BF dump similar to how we have a full MSG dump would be so good 
celest kindle
Doesn't Unreal Atlus Script do that or does that do something else
bronze seal
Difficulty Param:
Removed Merciless Weak/Crit damage boost (Player Side only)
T...
were you actually able to tell if changing player/enemy ailment recovery rates has any noticeable effect? i have them both set to 50 too, but my tests setting them to 1 or 500, i didn't notice a difference.
vale wharf
could you maybe try replicating? Xrd777/Field/Data/DataAsset/Bf/Dungeon/BattleE...
I can't even compile anything apparently because i just get "invalid flowscript file format specified" every time i try to compile no matter what i do 
hollow trail
oh wow yeah there's a LOT that cant decomp properly here
bronze seal
yeah, a lot of this stuff, i change values, but it's not much use if i can't figure out exactly what they do from testing. still not quite sure whether to raise or lower "KnockdownRateAttackingDownCharacter". i don't think i found any differences in testing it.
hollow trail
wow
vale wharf
I can't even compile anything apparently because i just get "invalid flowscript ...
Ok i ended up figuring it out and got it to decompile again just fine
hollow trail
i can at least say my changes are in fact here though
or rather
unreal atlus script decompiled it with my changes here
so uhhh
thing is, this script gets loaded when you enter tartarus
its logged on console
so whats up here
hollow trail
Ok i ended up figuring it out and got it to decompile again just fine
what was the issue 
the init BF for tartarus gives Pop Register Opcode WIP error, RIP
vale wharf
what was the issue <:hmm:749777187888169050>
Looking back i think i didn't really fix it, for some reason it would only compile if i passed -OutFormat V1 instead of -OutFormat V1RE even though from what I remember you're supposed to use V1RE for reload files
i looked at the file in a hex editor and the compiled file definitely wasn't correctly formatted the way the original was so I probably just did it wrong lmao 
(in my defense i really haven't done much at all with reload flowscript esp not for a LONG while now so I am very lost on what Im supposed to be doing lmao)
hollow trail
yeee i dont think this is possible yet
rip
so close tho
good news and bad news
bad news: what the fuck is triggering this LMAO
celest kindle
One of the uses for that thing is the text post-tutorials so maybe it's somehow triggering for every post-battle text?
hollow trail
yeah this is injected into the post-tutorial
but thing is
this is always loaded no matter what
so i dont know
bruh i can also confirm the flag is what makes the script run
whats going onnnnn LOL
it triggered normally now??? hello??
celest kindle
Programming in a nutshell
Try restarting the game and see if it's still 50/50 if it works or not
ashen pulsar
da man would never get tired
hollow trail
da man would never get tired
i will give him 9999999999 stam
ashen pulsar
real and true
celest kindle
I guess Yukari wasn't kidding about Tartarus being tiring on the first mission...
Can't imagine why it's wacky like that
celest kindle
What does the log window say
hollow trail
nothing, i disabled UAS to make sure it wasn't related
ok, didn't load in Adamah
Thebel only maybe?
hollow trail
You finished a fight in Adamah to test it's loading right
yes
celest kindle
Reload code what are you cooking 😭
Only thing i can imagine it being is that battle end file being like a one-off specifically for the earlier floors but that seems unlikely
Is there any other file that has text related to post-battle text?
hollow trail
not that i know of
anyway, theurgy gauge reset is working here too
and immediately after, someone asks to scout
because it's 100%
celest kindle
Oof
Might be worth downloading that text dump .txt and search for any of the post-battle lines to see if they're not in like
2 separate files or some shit
hollow trail
im just confused, because scouting uses this script
if the flag for the script to be active is on this should execute no matter what
did not work in august
maybe it stops working after split up is unlocked? that makes no sense
even funnier, like
its loaded when you enter tartarus
always
tf is going on
hollow trail
seems to be locked to certain floors
but uhhhh
if that's the case
that means that scouting/splitup is also hardcoded to only happen in specific floors...?
vale wharf
🤔 huh
hollow trail
well what i can try here is
see what floors split-up has happened on in the past
enable flag in them
see if it works
thing is
its a fucking flag and i am tripping the flag
whatever's going on, there's a second, hidden, completely redundant check here
why??
vale wharf
celest kindle
I'm guessing you already tried checking if anything else checks for that flag
vale wharf
most sensible guess i could have is maybe as some kind of balancing/pacing decision to force things so that the option doesn't appear too often or something, but this is ATLUS so who knows what the real reason would be for that lol
celest kindle
Or at least if anything else is affected by it
iron pilot
I saw scout on thebel
celest kindle
???????
vale wharf
do you remember which floor?
hollow trail
can shinji scout
celest kindle
Well if it's used by the scouting mechanic then i guess see what else there is about that??
hollow trail
Well if it's used by the scouting mechanic then i guess see what else there is a...
i'm severely limited because the init script for tartarus dungeons is undecompilable
hollow trail
yeah scripttools doesnt support it yet
celest kindle
I guess Unreal Atlus Script's BMD/BF dumping thing wouldn't help much either would it
hollow trail
nope
only says failed to decomp
it loads the endbattle script every time i enter tartarus but that's also not telling me anything
errant pumice
Are you re adding the fatigue system?
hollow trail
trying to and fucking dying
vale wharf
The main thing that's confusing is that apparently your script is working on some floors but not all of them, which makes me wonder if there's any kind of pattern to which floors work and which don't
Because at least if there's a consistent pattern to it then that's not necessarily great for the mod (since obviously it's best for a fatigue recreation to work on basically any floor lol) but at least you'd have an idea of how it works basically
And then if there isn't then welp GL ig 🫠
celest kindle
The scouting seemed kinda random tbh
hollow trail
i mean yeah, cuz its meant to be random
hollow trail
Because at least if there's a consistent pattern to it then that's not necessari...
best way to find out would be ctrl F on the flag that enables the script
but we don't have BF dump, and the init for tartarus also doesn't work on decompiler
so i have to bruteforce every floor
which uhhh
i'd rather not?
vale wharf
Tbh i assumed you were using some way of forcing the flag to be on automatically all the time which is why I said that whoop
(like hooking another BF somewhere that also is always loaded/executed in tartarus and setting the flag there)
dreamy orchid
the scouting is mostly random but there are definitely floors you can't send members to scout on
so maybe thats why its only working sometimes?
celest kindle
Well Doors said they got a scouting to happen in Thebel
So idk if it's really impossible anywhere
hollow trail
Tbh i assumed you were using some way of forcing the flag to be on automatically...
no i was toggling it every time i changed floors lmaooo
hollow trail
Well Doors said they got a scouting to happen in Thebel
it is possible yes
errant pumice
I would laugh if the scouting toggle was changed to the fatigue system
Fuuka: “Hey, there’s this really cool item and I’d like on of you guys to explore—“
Teammate: “I’m going home, bye everyone”
celest kindle
Nah because then it wouldn't be fatigue it would just be bullshit
hollow trail
i'd like to confirm if scouting is forced, as in, will always happen even if you savescum
cuz if so you'd be able to savescum tiredness too
iron pilot
I'm not sure, I think it is?
Alternatively, we can employ OG strats and rush to the boss floor then grind, if it's anything like scout then if we know the next floor's layout, it won't trigger
hollow trail
I'm not sure, I think it is?
if we could get a savefile where there's a guaranteed scout on a floor i could load it and check for flag 1526+Field
if it's 0 that means scouting in the battleend script is unused
for some fucking reason
i doubt it tho
hollow trail
maybe scouting only happens on floors you've never seen too
iron pilot
I was under the impression that that's exactly the case
So floors where you have monad doors doesn't apply
hollow trail
if i get really really desperate i can make it so that your party becomes tired after a gatekeeper
but thats kinda ass
they wouldn't leave immediately
gatekeeper would trigger flag, then it would make them leave when entering the entrance again
so you could keep thugging it out
just realized that could bring back the fes glitch with split up
if i dont do it properly
lmao
hollow trail
gatekeeper would trigger flag, then it would make them leave when entering the e...
this would actually make the clocks inside tartarus itself useful
cuz they're so fucking useless
iron pilot
That's actual ass but I think it's doable for anyone in the know
hollow trail
what part is ass
iron pilot
Like, getting tired after a boss and not going back to the entrance
hollow trail
adds some tension ig
if you wanna save you gotta let the team go back home
but yeah it could be ass
what if instead of just after a boss, it takes away stamina points from a teammate, and if it reaches 0, they get tired
its just that there's not really enough gatekeepers for that
iron pilot
Hmmmm I can see that working for intermediate players
iron pilot
Yeah but I'd imagine that's for the best of the best
Is that your target audience? Cause uhhh
If not then I hope the scout mechanic can work
errant pumice
I wonder, is it possible to remove instant SP Heal after the day/time passes and use the stamina system like that? Like it heals a certain amount of SP % instead.
hollow trail
for theurgy yes but for hp/sp not using flowscript afaik
iron pilot
How about reducing the times when rescue requests are done
Like
Make the deadline a week instead of the end of the month
Or make it more brutal like 3 days because they're not a navi persona user that can sense where tf the shadows are
It won't fix early game but mid game up to endgame, there's incentives to go multiple times in a month
hollow trail
i don't think that's something i can do
iron pilot
Aw.
hollow trail
well uh
i can confirm there's some kind of guaranteed element to scouting
got it to trigger in floor 100 twice
once naturally and once with flag
but flag only worked if the floor was unexplored
it doesnt use the flag at all
wth
iron pilot
Lmfao
hollow trail
oh this is funny as fuck
so
i think i figured out how to force it
it requires disabling scouting
if you set it to not be unlocked anymore, the script runs everytime
what the fuck lolll
errant pumice
“How to force scouting”
“First, you disable it”
I’m glad you figured out a way though! That’s a good step
iron pilot
Nice
hollow trail
what the fuck lol
it re-enabled itself
could it be that scouting has a special hidden requirement that i flipped and now it's always working
this was immediately after beating a gatekeeper after all
thats the only diff
its just
working
now
huh
could it be the flag resets itself with a lot of shit and its working now because i'm forcing it mere steps before getting into a fight
back to my 1/31 save ig
im also noticing
theurgy gauge isnt resetting if full
or well
shinji's isnt
i might have forgotten his id
oh brother
dont tell me thats it
that it resets with every little fucking interaction
i will flip
iron pilot
I love seeing a guy go insane
Also, uhhh
You're gonna make that not happen in actual 1/31, right?
hollow trail
ofc
xd
i think it resets over time and i legit cant tell what's triggering the reset
i think its literally either time or spawning the stairs
if its stairs i need to place trigger at stairs too
im pretty sure that's plausible
split up wouldn't happen if stairs were discovered
as that's the point of split
iron pilot
Uhmmmmmm
I had a weird happen to me
Black Frost leveled up
But bro doesn't have Growth skills on him
And I sure wasn't using him
Agidyne Bufudyne Matarukaja Single Target Boost Multi Target Boost Fire Amp Fire Boost Ice Amp
Do any one of those have a hidden growth effect?
errant pumice
Did you perhaps pick up a persona from shuffle time that was the same arcana?
hollow trail
omfg
it sets itself to 0 every time a piece of the map is discovered
you're shitting me
so you're telling me split up rng is calculated every time you enter a new room in a floor
errant pumice
Is the game spaghetti coding or just smart coding itself to where “hey, don’t touch this value or else I will revert it back”
hollow trail
its pure spaghetti
basically instead of running after every battle and going
5% chance or whatever of split up
instead its
100% chance of split up at the end of a battle
but only if this random ass value = 1
and it sets itself to 0 every time a new room is shown in the minimap
with a small chance of being 1
and if its 1, the next fight will do splitup
