EVTUI (Visual event editing tool)

[solemn zealot]

changing what sets the gender icon would help so much

[jolly epoch]

start with HP, find what accesses it, use in game mechanics to reduce your party members' hp or the enemy's

compare common values

it's actually in the cheat engine tutorial

[amber moth]

yeah lol I've been trying to poke at it for like a year now.

[jolly epoch]

anyway

I still gotta find the template for that struct

I'll let you know if it has anything related to gender once I find it

I'll bet it does since there's enemies that target female members and such

[solemn zealot]

my case is more complex than just a femc jonkle, so im unsure if a 'female' boolean would be enough

also, the cat icon...

[jolly epoch]

maybe

but in that case it's probably because the code for a female Ren just doesn't exist at all

it expects him to be male

[amber moth]

Misogynist Atlus

[rocky kelp]

i mean kap managed to get female equipment working

[amber moth]

Do you mean equpping or the icon on the protectors?

[rocky kelp]

oh idk

i'd have to look

[ocean acorn]

considering i know c# im surprised when i remember ive never actually made a pr to this, though i would guess the script info and occasional testing is still really helpful :v

[solemn zealot]

nah its not that
im talking of like, in mine makoto can also wear male clothes, and yusuke female clothes, as well as ann and yusuke being able to wear cat clothes. so yeah i need more than just a female check

[jolly epoch]

well it'd exist for every character, not just Ren

so for most of those a female check would suffice

it even exists for shadows probably

since they use the same struct for battle as the party members do

[solemn zealot]

nah. the male clothes would just turn into unisex icon with makoto in this case

[ocean acorn]

i very want to know how ann and yusuke fit into cat sweaters :V

[solemn zealot]

dont question it

[jolly epoch]

talent

[amber moth]

They both become cats

[jolly epoch]

in your mod?

you can probably just edit tables for that

[solemn zealot]

the gender icon is automated

[jolly epoch]

or do you mean you want only Makoto to be able to wear either

[amber moth]

Yeah it's about the icons and not specifically having them wear it.

[jolly epoch]

oh

then this struct might not help

since you'd just be making the game think Ren is supposed to wear the female outfits

[solemn zealot]

yeah the wearing is already done, and it makes every equipment unisex in the icon

[jolly epoch]

well changing the struct for Ren would make the game think he's supposed to wear female clothes, it shouldn't change the icon theoretically

that's assuming that the struct's female/male value is what determines what you're allowed to wear and not just enemy AI

there's always the possibility there's another value somewhere else used for the outfits

[amber moth]

Female protagonist mod made it so the 3rd will seed enemy can target joker (which it only targets female party members). So maybe you could look there?

[jolly epoch]

currently I'm trying to find a way to get a struct for at least one of the party members from the SP/HP updating functions

but all the functions that reference it use local variables so it's tough

[amber moth]

damn

[jolly epoch]

is there anything that'd be hardcoded that uniquely accesses one specific character...

hrmm

and the reason I want that is because once you have one, the others are usually close by

and if it's static, it becomes a very reliable way to find the address during runtime

plus it can point me directly to the struct to test values with

[amber moth]

Maybe the akechi party switch from sae to 3rd sem? idk if that's hardcoded though

[jolly epoch]

they use bitflags for party members though don't they?

[amber moth]

true

hmm

[ocean acorn]

akedgy behavior is a butflag

[amber moth]

true

hmm

[ocean acorn]

what about lick behavior in kamoshida fight 😭

[jolly epoch]

idk if that'd help lol

they might just use a local variable to check whether a party member is female again

since you only have Ann at that point anyway

without mods

and locals don't help me that much since they're stored in registers

so it's very temporary

[solemn zealot]

buttflag?

[solemn zealot]

im pretty sure its hardcoded to ann specifically

in the flowscript

not in the exe lol

[ocean acorn]

that doesnt even make sense wtf is a buttflag

hardcoded means in exe

[solemn zealot]

in the context of p5r modding

[amber moth]

hardcoded means your mom

[ocean acorn]

if its in flowscript it is by definition not hardcoded

[jolly epoch]

though

[solemn zealot]

i meant that it checks a specific id in the flowscript

[jolly epoch]

that does make me wonder

can flowscript get me the address for a specific party member

[solemn zealot]

yes

[jolly epoch]

that might work

[amber moth]

🤓 ☝️

[jolly epoch]

which one returns the character ID again?

I'm gonna attempt to follow the logic of GET_PARTY

[solemn zealot]

that will probably get the party member's id from the party index from 0 to 3

[ocean acorn]

oh speaking of akedgy actually, special action prompts
sumire and akedgy have fallback prompt dialogue if you have them in party since theyre not supposed to be there for any special action, for sumire it just plays ryuji dialogue while akedgy has voiceless dummy dialogue

[jolly epoch]

which should I use then?

the more direct the better since I don't wanna go through like 50 function calls to find the address

[solemn zealot]

idk the specifics of what you are doing. but considering how its implemented in the flowscript, it most likely based on your active party... meaning that joker should always be 0 in theory

[jolly epoch]

fair

[solemn zealot]

joker's actual id tho is 1, 0 is 'none'

[jolly epoch]

I'm gonna read SET_ITEM_NUM first to see where in that struct it calls the set item num functions I've already identified

should help

[jolly epoch]

probably just because all integers have to have a 0 value

does GET_PARTY let you do anything with those party members btw or does it just return an int

[solemn zealot]

its get so it just returns

[jolly epoch]

aha

found it

[solemn zealot]

you use PARTY_IN() and PARTY_OUT() for changing the party

[jolly epoch]

this isn't related

but it does help me determine what the actual function I'm looking for may look like

[jolly epoch]

👍

though idk how much that'd help

but we'll see

it might

hopefully this won't be too hard to figure out

btw anything with a question mark is my own assumption and not something I've confirmed yet

[plucky berry]

That one's correct. It's getting the arguments. (In this case, argument 0)

[jolly epoch]

yeah I just assumed it since it's in every single flowscript function I've checked

but you can only get so much from static analysis

anyway I'm guessing that array might be what I'm looking for?

well one neat thing

party member structs are not stored in pointers for some reason it appears

they're all static

ofc I still need a pattern for stability but it should be easy to find

I think I found Joker

now I can look through references

the struct for characters is very large

so I'm gonna look for booleans and try changing them and see what happens

or rather, bytes

and just looking for lower values

[solemn zealot]

if its only a number or another its boolean enough for me

[jolly epoch]

btw this is where it is in memory

the highlighted number is the start

[solemn zealot]

...nice

[jolly epoch]

I'll have to mess with display types since rn it's at 2 bytes and lower values like booleans would only be one byte

[solemn zealot]

straw

[solemn zealot]

interesting...

why the render discrepancy from render to preview tho

... that was the last straw...

[faint plinth]

Hot drink with a straw!? We NEED to eat the rich 😤

[faint plinth]

Huh......

[solemn zealot]

~~makoto's already on it 🫡 ~~

[faint plinth]

It's probably something I'm doing with transparency / materials in the render specifically... but I thought I was doing the same for both things

[solemn zealot]

still missing the orange juice

[faint plinth]

If there's OJ in there, it might be an animation or something 😅

[solemn zealot]

is it? i just placed this asset raw in there, and the game is loading the orange

[faint plinth]

Oh, huh.

I don't know 😅

[solemn zealot]

maybe the oj was the straw we made along the camel

no wait

[solemn zealot]

LMAO

i hadnt seen this event since the improved render

[faint plinth]

Locked her in 😔

Man, I do not understand why the wall texture in Shujin looks so wack.

[weary pelican]

She took lock in literally

[amber moth]

Pretty sure it's just the UV on the wall being broken.

[solemn zealot]

she's in gay baby jail rip

[faint plinth]

Probably, but not sure where the UV bug would be, and why it only seems to affect these walls. I guess in how GFDStudio parses it?

[solemn zealot]

just parse it correctly duh

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

[amber moth]

I can't really see anything that would suggest it's broken\

hmm

[faint plinth]

If you load a Shujin field with textures in the actual GFDStudio program, does it still look like this?

[amber moth]

one sec

[amber moth]

looks like it

[solemn zealot]

why there are a bunch of microwaves and ovens on the wall

[faint plinth]

Welp, no idea... but it's a bug that precedes me at least, lol.

[amber moth]

I think I might know why

let me test

yeah I was right

[faint plinth]

[amber moth]

So basically, you can have different textures on different UV maps (UV0-9). And I guess for some reason GFD can't display UV2 correctly? Because the detail map was on UV2, but switching it to UV1 fixes it.

[solemn zealot]

it was not scaled up by the looks of it

thats why so many squares, those are for windows and stuff

[amber moth]

I guess it could also be a broken UV2 on this specific model. But idk how GFD handles different UV maps

[pale linden]

This tool is so helpful, just want to thank the creator for saving me so much time

[solemn zealot]

i have done so much in 3 months with this

this is not counting the small changes scattered everywhere that i used evtui for

[faint plinth]

☺️

[pale linden]

Ive been using it to arrange scenes before modifying FBNs, it makes it so much easier to know the coordinates you want and be able to preview it

[solemn zealot]

yeah the preview is huge

tripled my developing time

[faint plinth]

Ooh, that's a cool use. It also makes me want to hurry up and get a release out so I can justify working on a dedicated map editor 🙏

[pale linden]

Oh yes please! I would love that especially with some of the plans I have

Even at the moment it makes stuff like this super quick

Well, compared to what I was doing before

[solemn zealot]

excuse me gru?

[pale linden]

Unrelated mod lol

[solemn zealot]

why is he in a hoodie

[ocean acorn]

add the one that turns the twins into minions B)

[pale linden]

I plan on changing out the twins for a new velvet attendant, Abigail

[amber moth]

On that note, I hate the title screen camera because they exported the GMD as just the camera so it just makes it uneditable in blender.

[pale linden]

How so? I edited it before

[amber moth]

I mean it is technically editable. But you can't export it

[amber moth]

because the armature that generates from it doesn't have any bones

[pale linden]

Garfield

[amber moth]

no the camera

[pale linden]

Oh Im stupid

[faint plinth]

Also, damn, I never would've figured this out. Good find! Now to figure out the best way to implement this in the patch 😅

[amber moth]

Yeah, they exported the camera GMD without any bones, so then the blender addon can't actually import it correctly so it can't be exported.

[pale linden]

Thats... irritating

[rocky kelp]

same, but wetter 😏

[amber moth]

np, idk if it's just UV2 that has this issue

[faint plinth]

I feel like I should take over the Blender tool maintenance at some point, honestly... I know Pherakki's code well enough, just been slow to understand how modeling stuff works.

[amber moth]

that would be peak

Shame that they got him

[pale linden]

I see these setting for In editor playback... does it work currently?

[faint plinth]

It displays some different (darkened) coloring for the frames prior to the starting frame. But since there isn't really "playback" at the moment, that's all it does for now 😅

[pale linden]

Ah got it

[faint plinth]

Hmmm, GFDStudio doesn't really... have things in terms of UVs??

It has TextureMaps and TexCoords... but I don't know what actually corresponds to the UV maps in here 😥

[jolly epoch]

I think TexCoords would, wouldn't they?

either that or it's an offset

regardless it's easier to modify the UVs using blender anyway

though for your purposes ig that won't do

[faint plinth]

Indeed it won't...

[jolly epoch]

well it's gotta interpret UV maps somehow

[faint plinth]

Surely 🤷 But it's going to be annoying to interpret, given I still don't understand model stuff that well.

[faint plinth]

Welp... bet it's something to do with this (GFDLib code on left, Blender plugin code on right)

It does have up to 2, I suppose... but it's missing a bunch of the texcoords (UVs???) that Blender has....

This might merit a help thread 🥲

[faint plinth]

Eh, scratch this, I was referencing the ancient version of Blender GFS I have locally, lmao.

So I have no idea what the issue is. I'll probably make a help thread tomorrow if nobody around here can crack it.

[faint plinth]

(Made the thread~ let's see how far we get 🥲)

[amber moth]

Wish I knew how to help

[faint plinth]

You pinpointing the issue helped a ton! I wouldn't even know that much without your help.

[amber moth]

But I want to help more

[faint plinth]

Maybe being able to read GFDStudio code can be your final motivating push to learn coding 😆

[amber moth]

so true

Where would I look for the rendering?

I assume GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL?

[faint plinth]

I've been looking at the Material and Mesh and TextureMap files in plain GFDLibrary, but it's possible the issue could be in the OpenGL parts of the Mesh/Material code 🤔

[amber moth]

Could it be this? I'm not sure if the matflags are specifically the UVs but theres only two which would line up with what we've been seeing.

oh right let me check if it's just UV2 that has the issue

[faint plinth]

I think those are just two groupings to accommodate the many material-related flags (see the matflags in the base Material code), but that seems like the type of issue we'd expect to see. Good idea checking other UVs!

[solemn zealot]

huh im not getting textures here

something im missing?

[faint plinth]

They need to be imported from the relevant texture bin.

[amber moth]

the textures are stored seperately

[solemn zealot]

oh i see

[amber moth]

Yeah, I can record how I do it in a sec

[amber moth]

So apparently it looks like any UV above 2 seems to make the GMD file unopenable.

In a similar manner to empty meshes.

@faint plinth

well not similar in this case, since those have a different error.

[faint plinth]

I definitely haven't seen any references to texcoords or whatnot beyond 2, so that tracks.

Node attachment...... hm...

[amber moth]

Semi off topic this is actually something that would be cool to add as an error to the blender addon. Since if you're doing heavy model editing it's pretty easy to accidentally create an empty mesh. And if you haven't experienced it before theres no real way to tell what you did wrong.

[faint plinth]

Might just be that it doesn't know to read ones past 2, so it throws off the binary reader offset.

[amber moth]

That would make sense

[faint plinth]

But yeah, better handling of that sort of thing in the Blender tool would also be nice.

Might be worth making a thread for collecting Blender tool improvement ideas / bugs, whether I have time to fix them soon or not 😄

[faint plinth]

Hmmm, looking at the Blender code, it doesn't look like exporting beyond UV2 is actually supported...? So that may be the source of the error here.

That still doesn't explain the UV2 issues for GFDStudio, though.

[amber moth]

weird

I mean I guess it does make sense because im like 90% sure the only things that use UV 3-9 are fields, which have been barely touched by modders.

[faint plinth]

That makes sense.

[amber moth]

In the same way cathrine isn't supported by both of them because no one actually cared enough (learned that the hard way).

[faint plinth]

[amber moth]

Okay it kinda is supported, but barely.

[faint plinth]

OK, texCoordChannels are what we're looking for I think, so I'll tinker around and see if I can break anything in a way that generates any leads, lol.

[faint plinth]

I wonder if this at all relates to floor textures not displaying properly in GFDStudio, too 🤔

[amber moth]

What floor texture is it?

[faint plinth]

You can see it in that same Shujin model. The floor is kinda visible but super dark. Before I figured it was a shader thing, but 🤷

[amber moth]

oh i'll check

doesn't look to be so

[faint plinth]

Hmm, okay, maybe it is a shader issue after all.

Thanks for checking

[amber moth]

Yeah it just seems to be applying the 'night' texture fully for some reason. As removing it makes it look fine

[faint plinth]

Huh

Wish I understood shaders better 🥹But I guess I'm learning it all now by necessity.

[amber moth]

true

[solemn zealot]

from a distance this looks like a stone wall

[faint plinth]

Now I'm wondering if this is all just like. The shader only using UV1 or something.

[amber moth]

No, I put the night texture on UV1 and nothing changed

[faint plinth]

Was the night texture not already on UV1?

[amber moth]

no it's on 2

funnily enough

[faint plinth]

Ooh, I see.

What on earth 🥹

[amber moth]

Truly an enigma

[faint plinth]

This is probably just a skill issue re: working with shaders, tbh.

[plucky berry]

Huh. It looks fine in GFDStudio on my end? Was there a regression at some point?

[amber moth]

might've been. I'm using 10.2

[plucky berry]

Oh geez, mine's outdated.

Didn't realize it had progressed that far

[amber moth]

it happens

then yeah probably a regression

what is your version

[amber moth]

@faint plinth looks like you might have a new lead

Might've been the metaphor stuff that caused it

[faint plinth]

Oh fuuuck What version are you on?

[amber moth]

0.8.0

at the top

[faint plinth]

A huge lead

[open crown]

hello! i apologize if this is better suited for a help thread in #1045463242765504552 , and if it is, ill gladly post my problem there, just let me know
im using EVTUI to make a custom event and for some reason, the MMD_ command isn't working as I intended it to work. the plan here is to make joker walk from coordinates (130.0,1700) to (170,0,1380) to then (100,0,1153). as far as im aware, the coordinates are correct as i tested them with the render (as seen in the image), but for some reason after adding the MMD_ command, he starts walking to another point. i've checked the model tab and there isn't another position command which could cause this. i attached some media to better visualize whats happening
if anyone could pinpoint what im doing wrong, it would be a huge help. thanks in advance!! 🙏

[faint plinth]

Omg... he moonwalks away 😭

Well, nothing is obvious to me here, but a few things:

• The coordinates you mention vs. the ones written on the images are slightly different. Is there a reason for that?
• What do the positions you want look like in the editor when the camera angle is as expected, rather than... seemingly flipped around?

[rocky kelp]

lmao that's great

nyoom

[faint plinth]

Another thing is it looks like you're using a version from before some recent rendering improvements (i.e., Joker's kinda balding in some shots) -- it'd probably be worthwhile to update. I don't think that'd be the source of the issue or anything, but the more complete field rendering + reduced z-fighting + faster loading will probably be worth your while.

[balmy basalt]

I fixed it. And it's so stupid

ajda

OMG...

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[faint plinth]

This fixes so many texture issues I didn't realize were even related, oml 🥹

[pale linden]

Okay so I don't know if this is as stupid of a question as it seems to me (and I apologize in advance if it is) but whenever I make edits to the dialogue the changes are not present in game

Am I doing something wrong?

[faint plinth]

Are you compiling before you save the BMD, and making sure the file in your mod folder has been updated?

[pale linden]

You compile with the little wrench correct?

[faint plinth]

Yep!

[pale linden]

Should be, I will try it and make sure its updating the file in the folder

[faint plinth]

Message stuff can be kinda wonky and unintuitive at the moment. I'm hoping to overhaul it soon to be a bit more robust 😓

[pale linden]

Okay, the file has definitely changed so I will test it again

[pale linden]

Oh don't worry I understand I am working with unfinished tools

[faint plinth]

Lol, yeah, but even relative to the rest of the program 😅

[pale linden]

Its working now! Thank you so much

[faint plinth]

Yay!

[faint plinth]

Fem Jose... 😮

[pale linden]

His sister

Alicia

Jose is the "He" she refers to

[faint plinth]

Oooh!

[pale linden]

I still want Jose in the game so she replaces Caroline

She will also drive the Phantom Theives around Mementos instead of Morgana

[faint plinth]

I see, she's the new Velvet Room attendant you were mentioning?

[pale linden]

Nope, I haven't fully decided on how to go about her design

Specifically the hair

Might take Inspiration from Labrys actually

[faint plinth]

Dang, you're adding a lot

[pale linden]

Basically, what if someone else was chosen to be the Wildcard

P5R already has enough plot holes that I can get away with a few of my own

Well its late and I did a good bit today, thanks for the help

[solemn zealot]

lol

I was testing remote streaming to my phone :p

For some reason the display was set to 3840x2160??? Tho the culprit is the 300% scale

Considering how windows messes up my apps when turning off my pc monitor, it might be having these settings as the deafult 😭

[open crown]

ah sorry about that!! it was late for me when i was testing, so i must have been drowsy and mistyped the coordinates 🙇‍♀️

the camera angle settings seem correct, as the positions are the same as seen in the renderer (with the exception of joker being rotated to his left). what puts me off a bit is the field's position not being the same as seen ingame (like you can see in the video, the field is shibuya's central street, with the characters being positioned in front of the library and the vending machines) looking rotated instead i tried playing with the FS_ command's settings, changing what the base event had for all zeros, but nothing happened

[open crown]

huh, thats weird 🤔 i updated it a bit ago with git pull, but it says Already up to date.
but to be honest im a total noob with git stuff so i might be doing something wrong, ill look into it, thanks!

[faint plinth]

Oooh, the lack of field positioning in the preview is probably also part of it, if you're using anything but zeroes there. That should also be fixed in the latest version.

If it's not updating for you with a pull, possibly you're on a branch other than main? The simplest solution may just be to reclone EVTUI entirely, tbh. Your user data is stored elsewhere and will persist.

[solemn zealot]

wait is it

[faint plinth]

[solemn zealot]

indeed

[amber moth]

AppData\Roaming\EVTUI

[solemn zealot]

what about it?

[amber moth]

thats where the data is stored

[solemn zealot]

:oooo

[faint plinth]

I think her question was about field positioning, not the appdata. But it was sort of ambiguous lol.

[amber moth]

damn

[faint plinth]

:3c

[amber moth]

Yeah the fix is very funny

[faint plinth]

I'm hoping to merge the fix sometime today with a few other miscellaneous changes. Namely... I want to figure out how the hell Mona's metaverse animation IDs work, because they're apparently hardcoded similarly but also differently to the other PTs

[solemn zealot]

if you do i'd have to end my break on the spot (i wanna try out mona's facial animations so bad)

his body animations tend to be really over the top, so the subtler expressions rely on his bigass face being front and center

[faint plinth]

Oh, the facial animations are still only kind of working, for unrelated "material animations are not understood" reasons.

His big expressions should mostly work, but good point that he's not visible in the preview 😂

(short king...)

[solemn zealot]

i think being able to move the preview camera would be best for future proofing

this reminds me

i should do a custom base animation id with the most animations i can find spread around randomly for each character

[faint plinth]

I know... I was struggling to get any responsiveness to scrolling gestures when I tried it a few weeks back 😭

[solemn zealot]

this way i can not have to worry over searching for exts when i need something

plus it makes the process smoother

[faint plinth]

Or to just like. Any gestures at all. RIP.

[amber moth]

you have to hold shift and scroll

[faint plinth]

That wasn't the only one that wasn't working, but maybe I'll try again with that...

[solemn zealot]

like, can yall believe that the extremely common 'take phone out from pocket, mess with it, put phone back on pocket' animation is per-event???????

[faint plinth]

Lmao, that's wild.

[amber moth]

yeah

[solemn zealot]

there must be some pretty cool anims i could implement in my own events if i had them in one place

[amber moth]

theres lots of cool beta ones

[solemn zealot]

where do i get the beta files

[amber moth]

https://archive.org/details/@frostwolf-5

all of the p5 ones

besides the dev enviroment

[faint plinth]

That'd be this one: https://archive.org/details/Persona5-Dec4th2015-ZeroSectorErrors

[solemn zealot]

sigh... bye bye games im not even playing

[amber moth]

half correct

theres also the 2016 one

[faint plinth]

Oh, did we get a dev editor in another one...?

[amber moth]

Well they both have the same capabilities, just that 2016 also has different assets.

[faint plinth]

Ah, gotcha.

[amber moth]

I haven't looked through all of the differences, I know lavenza's model is slightly different.

2016 and 2015

[solemn zealot]

(what was i expecting from torrents of beta builds)

[amber moth]

real ones download the zip

[solemn zealot]

might as well help spread my seed

[amber moth]

maybe

[faint plinth]

...although debugging field UVs actually made me aware that UV animations are a thing, so between that and DrawMode, I have a few more leads now to getting the rest of his animations working....

[faint plinth]

Also, this is making me wonder whether I've implemented the offsets for field objects correctly re: the field itself being offset 😅

Trapped forever behind that door...

[solemn zealot]

this door would offset together with the field?

[faint plinth]

If it's a field object, I'd assume so. If it's an item, then no.

Field object as in, one that's not called explicitly but is referenced in the field model and loaded automatically.

[solemn zealot]

ryuji's chair stayed 🤔

lets see how this goes ingame

[faint plinth]

I assume his chair is explicitly loaded?

[open crown]

i see! ill try it out, then. thank you once again for your help 🙏

id also like to thank you for making this program, since its been a huge help for making custom events good luck on the developing!!! its awesome so far

[solemn zealot]

this is the only other noncharacter explicitally loaded

[faint plinth]

Thank you!! I'm glad you've been able to make use of it 😄 Hopefully now we can get your issues fixed, one way or another 🙏

[faint plinth]

Hmmm...

[solemn zealot]

wait a minute...

its inverted in the preview

[amber moth]

floating ann and morgana

[solemn zealot]

how the preview should look like (the + and - are swapped)

[faint plinth]

Oooh, interesting

[solemn zealot]

i'll see if its the case for y and z

this one is x

[faint plinth]

That may further explain NERO's issues...

[solemn zealot]

y = 10 is actually moving the field downwards, while in the preview it moves upwards

and by the looks of it z is also inverted

[faint plinth]

Gotcha, field positioning is flipped...

[solemn zealot]

and yeah the chair is supposed to move with the field

[faint plinth]

I guess the desks and stuff are?? In the field GFS directly???

[solemn zealot]

the plants for example have the same issue as the chair

[faint plinth]

Oh, that makes much more sense.

I was baffled by nothing else seeming to be a field object, lol.

[solemn zealot]

oh technically these arent the plants, but the stick used to give them support

she aint growing bamboo

[faint plinth]

Okay, so added to the TODO for merging later:

• Invert field positioning (EDIT: including yaw, but pitch and roll are unused)
• Move field objects with the field

Oh, what about rotation? Is that also inverted?

[solemn zealot]

on it

[faint plinth]

🫡

[solemn zealot]

pft

its like those uncanny images that stuff looks recognizable but you cant really recognize what you are looking at

oh the buildings in the background should probably rotate too

uh....

looks like roll is not used

[faint plinth]

Huh, I figured those buildings were a subfield, but maybe they are also field objects...

No roll?? Huh...

[solemn zealot]

okay its inverted and only yaw is used

no pitch no roll no bitches

[faint plinth]

Huh!

Okay, good finds.

Thank you for your service

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pes-gif-15753486815279633796

so if i ever want to make like idk an event with shido's boat tilting, i'd need to do camera tricks anyway since you cant tilt the field

[faint plinth]

Seems like it 🤔

Although I'll try to verify that with existing events.

I wonder... if you check Unknown #1 (in the FS__ command editor), does that allow pitch or roll? Or anything else?

[solemn zealot]

nope

[faint plinth]

Lol, okay. Thanks for checking.

[faint plinth]

Fwiw, based on the preceding discussion, it may be worth waiting until the next update if you're working on an event with an offset field 😅

[solemn zealot]

you can just pick your offset like you want in the preview and invert all of it for it to look like it ingame

[faint plinth]

True, lol.

🧠

[open crown]

ohh alright, will do ^^

[faint plinth]

I also need to figure out why the render responds to scale like this...

What's the setting actually called again?

[cunning sierra]

Is there a way to play through events in the editor or is it just editing and viewing for now?

[solemn zealot]

win10: scale and layout on display settings

[faint plinth]

There's no real playback yet, no. Hopefully soon 😅 The full scene render is quite new.

[cunning sierra]

Seriously awesome work so far

Looking forward to seeing how this progresses, makes me wish we had something like this for The Royal Project

[faint plinth]

Thank you! ☺️ Better late than never, but it does make me feel bad for some of the more ambitious projects that came before, haha.

[solemn zealot]

good thing i came now

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[amber moth]

Okay grandma lets get you to bed

[solemn zealot]

barely an inconvenience

[faint plinth]

Lmaooo...

[solemn zealot]

then haru turned into a power generator funniest shit i've ever seen

(is that what these things are???)

[pale linden]

I thought they were air conditioners

[solemn zealot]

🤔

[solemn zealot]

makes more sense i think

you leave that outside

[pale linden]

Mm yeah

[solemn zealot]

wait but arent these air conditioners?

[amber moth]

The school is fairly big

[solemn zealot]

deadass i think thats a power box at least

[amber moth]

you're a power box

[solemn zealot]

nuh uh im gay

[amber moth]

Thats not mutually exclusive

[solemn zealot]

it is, 'cause boxes have straight edges

[amber moth]

and curves

[faint plinth]

[solemn zealot]

a way to highlight all mab_ with assetid 6 would be nice

unfortunately a ctrl f would have to be more involved because of the nodes formatting

[balmy basalt]

ajda

I've been thinking about doing something for that... like, having an Asset ID row within each category row on the timeline.

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[solemn zealot]

it did twice

[faint plinth]

...why did it copy twice...

Well, whatever, lmao. Point being: I have some ideas, but it'll take some UI shenanigans.

[solemn zealot]

a 'replace all' for certain values would be useful for big events (i can just edit the json for these cases for now)

[faint plinth]

Search/replace is also a Nice To Have I've mentioned... a very long time ago, but it's on the proverbial list.

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

who tf is memecenter dot com

[amber moth]

Someone

[solemn zealot]

uuuuh joker thats not how you hold a phone

[jolly epoch]

he's flexing

[pale linden]

What have I done...

[jolly epoch]

that should've been shadow sae's boss form lol

[solemn zealot]

these beauty standards are getting impossible lately

[pale linden]

Oops lol

[jolly epoch]

you're just not trying hard enough

anyone can get a giraffe neck with some exercise

[pale linden]

Note: do not click use common animations for sae

[jolly epoch]

lol

[jolly epoch]

maybe she's related to Aigis

[solemn zealot]

this happens for most characters

loading wrong animations in general caused many giraffe necks

[pale linden]

Yeah, shouldn't be surprised

[jolly epoch]

maybe they all are related to Aigis

[solemn zealot]

honest question: does she have clothes or is she like a pokemon in that this is part of her body?

[pale linden]

Yes.

[jolly epoch]

the ribbon and uniform hide the giraffe neck

but without it, it's a lot more obvious

[pale linden]

It looks so wrong without the ribbon

[solemn zealot]

also is her skin realistic? where it looks like a normal human would have fat, is it soft?

[jolly epoch]

idk if they ever specify it tbh

idr

[pale linden]

I would assume no

[solemn zealot]

i dont think they specify most of the weirder things here tbh

[pale linden]

Her skin hurt a dog that bit her

But that was on the leg I think

[solemn zealot]

so her breasts are like, iron?

why does a robot need boobs

[jolly epoch]

a Kirijo scientist got horny? idk

[solemn zealot]

humanity in a nutshell

[jolly epoch]

the limbs seem to be different from the torso though at least

[solemn zealot]

why the fuck they went ultra realistic everywhere but the limb joints?

answer: it looks cool

[pale linden]

I mean she got her mind from a little girl so... idk

[jolly epoch]

rule of cool

[solemn zealot]

did she?

[pale linden]

P4A says so

P4A's story is shockingly good

[jolly epoch]

oh so like Halo logic

[harsh carbon]

Not a person lol, was an old site that people would post memes to (hence the name)

It's been down for years but gifs probably got reposted from it to places like tenor while it was still up

[jolly epoch]

I thought that the personality just came naturally from the materials they used

[solemn zealot]

(i know its a site i was joking. but good to know of its history)

[jolly epoch]

I have seen P4A's story, but it's been a while

so idr details revealed in it that well

[solemn zealot]

i have yet to play it

[pale linden]

It gives a lot more info on that whole project

[jolly epoch]

all I know is that they turned Akihiko into an absolute chad

man be dodging bullets

literally

that's his intro

[solemn zealot]

turned?

[pale linden]

I only his dialogue was good in arena...

That stupid protein

[solemn zealot]

which one was first, pq or arena?

[pale linden]

PQ I believe

Not sure though

[solemn zealot]

blame pq then

[pale linden]

PQ isn't canon arena is

[solemn zealot]

but for some reason they flanderized every character there

[harsh carbon]

Oop LMFAO 😭 but yeah I actually used to have an account on it even wayyy back in the day (made it back in 2013) so I've got memories of it still lol

[pale linden]

In arena only Akihiko really

[jolly epoch]

PQ2 is canon I think, but yeah they probably retconned PQ for it

it's in a weird state of being inconsequential though

[solemn zealot]

does it matter if the qs are canon if no one remembers?

[jolly epoch]

they like doing that

I think the only spin off that actually matters to persona lore besides arena is dancing

[pale linden]

Strikers maybe

[jolly epoch]

(Strikers is a sequel, not a spinoff)

[pale linden]

Ah true

[solemn zealot]

sequel off

[pale linden]

Well...

Both

[jolly epoch]

it's a spin off in gameplay, but a sequel in story

[pale linden]

Tactica does have good gameplay too

I need to finish it

[jolly epoch]

I haven't played tactica game since tactics games were just never something I was super into

[solemn zealot]

finally 🙏

[pale linden]

Anyway state of spinoffs aside I now have to figure out how I want this new scene to go

And learn how to make characters walk

[solemn zealot]

make it gay idk

[faint plinth]

See if you have the same issues with character movement that NERO has been having 🥲

[pale linden]

Redoing the Joker introduction to caretaker but with sae in her apartment

I like Sojiro but think that the cut idea of joker living with Sae while she is trying to catch the phantom theives is super interesting

[solemn zealot]

if you dont plan on using leblanc again, i'd recommend just turning its field into the niijima apartment one

there is a lot of stuff that calls leblanc that would be hell to hunt down

[pale linden]

Ah, good point

Just making an event as a proof of concept atm

[solemn zealot]

which issue?

[balmy basalt]

butch girlkisser

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NERO

hello! i apologize if this is better suited for a help thread in #1045463242765504552 , and if it is, ill gladly post my problem there, just let me know
im using EVTUI to make a custom event and for some reason, the MMD_ command isn't working as I intended it to work. the plan here is to make joker walk from coordinates (130.0,1700) to (170,0,1380) to then (100,0,1153). as far as im aware, the coordinates are correct as i tested them with the render (as seen in the image), but for some reason after adding the MMD_ command, he starts walking to another point. i've checked the model tab and there isn't another position command which could cause this. i attached some media to better visualize whats happening
if anyone could pinpoint what im doing wrong, it would be a huge help. thanks in advance!! 🙏

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[solemn zealot]

bruh

remove bezier curve @open crown

for mmd to go to a specific location, you have to use linear

[pale linden]

Quick question, is this the destination or where they start?

[solemn zealot]

destination

they start where they are atm

[faint plinth]

Oh, really? What does bezier curve actually do, then??

[solemn zealot]

bezier takes the destination you input and creates some formula logic, aka it's not actually where you want to go, but part of some weird thing

basically iy does this, but the p2 for some reason is not the destination you input. i haven't done any maths to know where that is being fed

[solemn zealot]

the moment i saw the issue i was going to isntantly ask the interpolation type

[faint plinth]

Damn, I figured it was just interpolation between frames, not literally making the path completely different 😭

[solemn zealot]

yup its dumb

[faint plinth]

I wonder if it requires at least two points in the path to work correctly...

[ocean acorn]

tactica main story is meaningfully canon afaict, dlc not so much

[jolly epoch]

bezier curves are handy for animation though since you can customize them pretty easily on a graph

and linear interpolation is not the most natural looking thing

[solemn zealot]

could be good to test this

[faint plinth]

I might also be able to see this in the beta editor 🤔

[faint plinth]

Huh, okay... the beta editor shows three points in the movement for a bezier curve for every one point shown in a linear counterpart. But how those three are calculated from the inputs, I'm still not exactly sure.

[solemn zealot]

this is being hell

[pale linden]

So... slight issue

I know you said the script editor was WIP but it keeps deleting large portions of the script

[solemn zealot]

never had this issue wth

[faint plinth]

Is it just not actually saving your script?

[pale linden]

Nope, it wipes the whole thing past a certain point

[faint plinth]

Okay, that's a new one

[solemn zealot]

are you doing a new event?

[pale linden]

No modifying an old one

There used to be stuff past this

[solemn zealot]

okay then idk what is happening

[amber moth]

did you click on the wrench at the top left and then hit save

[pale linden]

Yep

I never closed the editor I dont know why this happened

[faint plinth]

No idea how this one would be happening 🥲

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[amber moth]

damn

[pale linden]

Second time it happened to me, at first thought I had done it accidentally

[faint plinth]

When have you noticed it happening? When opening up fresh, or between switching tabs...?

[pale linden]

Switching between tabs

[faint plinth]

Hmmmmmmm.

Well, I'll look into it 😬 Sorry, that's a pretty nasty bug to run into. But thanks for reporting 🫡

[pale linden]

Np, I thankfully hadn't gotten too far into the next part of my script

[solemn zealot]

no chance of another program overriding this? like a notepad left open?

[pale linden]

I don't have it open in another program

[solemn zealot]

yeah i have 0 clue how this is happening

[pale linden]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solemn zealot]

btw whats your OS?

[pale linden]

Windows 10

[solemn zealot]

cant be that then

[faint plinth]

Anything showing up in the logs? Should be in the EVTUI appdata folder, but it gets overwritten if you've started a new session since then.

I guess the way to debug is to switch back and forth 'til I see it happen...

[pale linden]

I have unfortunately started a new session

[solemn zealot]

talking of losing progress, this reminded me i should probably backup my year-old mod in the cloud

(i already lost one like that for another game )

[pale linden]

I lost my first SM64 mod, kinda sad about that now

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-sad-gif-11498011059624046168

[ocean acorn]

i wonder how long its been there, surely serious data loss like that would be caught sooner if its been doing that for a while

i say like i had any chance of personally catching it even though i always use emulation for everything

[solemn zealot]

well this uses emulation

[pale linden]

Maybe it was something I did but it's happened twice and I don't know the cause either time

[ocean acorn]

oh

[solemn zealot]

you do get a lot of these errors because it doesnt do hooks tho

however it works™

[ocean acorn]

tbh i havent even bothered using the script tab 98% of the time because it just does not mesh all that well with an emulation workflow in its current state

mostly i just pull it up when i need to see what the flowscript/messagescript looks like but dont rly use it for actual editing

[ocean acorn]

if im understanding right it sounds like its writing the entire flowscript to the .flow file in FEmulator/BF?
which definitely would not work but is consistent with the behavior ive seen with messagescripts, which similarly write the entire file instead of just new + changed messages

(i cant remember if ive ever tried saving bf through evtui, i definitely have tried bmds though)

[solemn zealot]

it works perfectly fine, just spits errors

[ocean acorn]

wait im just noticing the two screencaps arent even referring to the same-ass event

[solemn zealot]

i wasnt trying to show the same

same thing

[ocean acorn]

i dont understand what the behavior youre reporting is

[solemn zealot]

just the error in the log lol

[open crown]

it worked!!!! thank you so much 🙏
may your yuri crops be plentiful

[solemn zealot]

thank you

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-nation-cat-flag-waving-car-gif-3951325806468542612

[ocean acorn]

duplicate procedure declaration is what it sounds like, youre trying to declare two procedures with the same name which isnt allowed
in an emulator context id typically expect this to happen if the mod's .flow has a procedure incorrectly named ProcedureName instead of ProcedureName_hook, but if evtui is just straight writing the entire flow then thatd do it too

[solemn zealot]

yeah thats what i said

it just makes the files themselves without hooking

its good for new events tho

[ocean acorn]

yes, and i was asking to confirm that i was understanding the problem correctly

its kinda 😭 when i think about it, cus im realizing with wrong bmd emu behavior the file should still build but be wrong in a way that defeats the point of merging whilst wrong bf emu behavior will just die entirely

[harsh carbon]

From that description it kinda sounds like they might have kept it working the same as it did with PMD's then...

(For reference the way it works in PMD is that they use 3 (4 for the very first plot/position in a curve only) values for each plot, with the first two basically being positions to interpolate towards during the curve and the last being the destination)

I could be off-base tho, no idea if they did or didn't change anything for EVT lol

[ocean acorn]

(also it occurs to me, for non-emu usage does it have a copy of the uncompiled edited msg/flow on hand somewhere or does it re-decomp...)

[faint plinth]

It has a working directory (separate from the mod directory) where it keeps decomped files, but they don't persist when you close.

[ocean acorn]

ah

[faint plinth]

Same with compiled files if emulation is switched on. Those are kept to the working directory.

[ocean acorn]

i c

i dont think its common but comp/decomp mistakes do happen so repeatedly re- and decomping the same file could lead to photocopy-of-a-photocopy type issues
(also rip if somone uses a switch statement and no emu)

[faint plinth]

Best I can figure for this is it's some kind of concurrency issue that's cutting off the string in the process, but also IDK how that would work, since that's usually only an issue with concurrent file streams, and switching tabs shouldn't involve any I/O....

[ocean acorn]

(you can use switch in flowscript but it looks so ugly if decomped)

[pale linden]

I'll just be careful from now on and be sure to send in a log if it happens again

[faint plinth]

I still wouldn't expect that to happen while it's open, though, since the string to be shown in the text editor is kept in memory and compilation is mostly for other things + validation.

[ocean acorn]

i know, im thinking of the case of if someone closes and reopens the event

[faint plinth]

Yeah 🤷 Not sure if there's a good way around that, except to maybe keep a decompiled copy in the mod directory alongside the compiled version. And only start from the compiled version if it doesn't exist...? But my concern then would be that it could be misleading in some edge cases of how the decompiled version was last edited.

I'd be up for workflow suggestions, but there's not a super obvious best practice that wouldn't have some pitfalls.

(Workflow suggestions specifically for the non-emu case, that is.)

[ocean acorn]

i feel like for non-emu, compile and save should just be one thing

[faint plinth]

True, the saving step requires too many clicks.

[ocean acorn]

for emu having compile separate makes sense as a validation feature so you dont have to boot the game to make sure the file will actually build properly (though should prob still clarify that it doesnt actually write to the mod's .msg file), but i dont think its all that pointful for non-emu since theres no reason to save anyway if it doesnt compile

[solemn zealot]

(i'm supposed to be taking a break)

[faint plinth]

You are a madwoman (affectionate). Lmfao.

[jolly epoch]

you never called me a madman

[solemn zealot]

you're a mad pigeon

[faint plinth]

Don't worry, you're a madman (affectionate) for sure 😄

[jolly epoch]

lol

[faint plinth]

But yeah, I plan to fully change the design of the scripts tab, because there's just no version of the current layout that could accommodate everything that needs doing.

Minimally, some kind of side panel that shows the different versions of each file (compiled/dummy/decompiled) and lets you view how the scripts will look after any merging, makes compiling/saving more clear, etc.

[solemn zealot]

dont forget the yuri button

[ocean acorn]

actually, speaking of emu, im now having the thought of like two textboxes where one is a (possibly hideable) read-only copy of the original decomped flowscript/messagescript (if there is an original file), while the other is initially empty if you havent yet made a file in FEmulator/BF/FEmulator/BMD but is where you can put your function hooks/new functions/new messages/changed messages
and then hitting compile (if we're keeping it to use as a validation feature) saves the latter to the working directory, then runs TryCompileWithImports using original file as base and working directory .flow/.msg as an imported file and tells you if compilation succeeded

(if were using compile that way, actually, would it be worth also writing the edit file to FEmulator if compilation succeeds? i can see the utility of saving without compiling just so you have the edit file on hand in a place where it needs to be anyway, but is there a reason to compile and not save...?)

[solemn zealot]

honestly, who needs a break?

i have yuri waiting for me

Failed to close editor window due to unhandled exception:
System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'EVTUI.Views.EditorWindow' was not present in the dictionary.
   at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2.get_Item(TKey key)
   at EVTUI.Views.LandingPage.EditorClosed(Object sender, CancelEventArgs e) in C:\Users\coder\Desktop\p5rmodding\EVTProgram\EVTUI\src\gui\MainWindow\LandingPage\LandingPage.axaml.cs:line 151

oh yeah happened when closing it for the day

[pale linden]

Bit janky (and writing Sae's dialogue is quite difficult) but good for the moment

[faint plinth]

Something along these lines, yeah 🤔

It might be worth saving on every successful compile, tbh, but if there's different behavior on a failed compile, I'm not sure how to clearly communicate that.

[ocean acorn]

i guess the read-only copy of original script isnt required but would def be a convenience, particularly with emu since if youre hooking a function then you probably want to copy-paste it into your import file

[ocean acorn]

for a failed emu compile i probably wouldnt want to write that to the actual import file in FEmulator since i know for a fact it wont work

unless ig i was fine sticking a broken file there for now with the intent to fix it later

tho if i already know its broken id prob just save without compiling first

idk. maybe there could be a popup on compile error like "this file doesnt work, save anyway?"

[ocean acorn]

actually, thinking about this, being able to manually save the uncompiled edited flow is prob useful regardless of if compilation works, so that you can come back to it if you close and reopen without compiling and your changes are still there

[faint plinth]

I def want a read-only version of the original to be available, whether at the same time or not.

[faint plinth]

You mean in the non-emu case? Or effectively keeping two decomped versions around--one that's the actual latest but broken, and one that's the last version that worked (and is presumably the one in FEmulator)...?

[ocean acorn]

in the non-emu case yeah

[faint plinth]

Gotcha.

Hmmm... not sure where would be the best place to keep it.

Or just give the user the option to save it somewhere, maybe 🤔

[ocean acorn]

it could just be in the working directory still, though if the user needs to find the actual file that might be a little out of the way

(and ofc if theres unsaved changes then give ye olde "save and close/close without saving/cancel" prompt on close)

(i guess that applies to other things too lol)

[faint plinth]

Well, the working directory gets wiped between sessions, so it'd need to be somewhere else to persist 😅 But having an optional persistent cache like that isn't a bad idea.

Hm, hm, having a cache in the appdata for storing copies of the scripts that you don't actually want in the mod folder 🤔 Or maybe a user-defined path for keeping drafts, so they'll show up in the editor but be clear they're not the ones in the mod? Hm hm hm....

[solemn zealot]

That would be handy

[faint plinth]

Yeah 🤔 🤔 🤔

Maybe even just straight up keep a "Drafts" directory on the same level of the mod dir as the essentials and femulator folders, lol.

[ocean acorn]

if you want user to decide path but dont want them to go out of their way to load the file every time then youll probably want to store the path to the saved file in the project config too (inb4 some user has to move it though)

[faint plinth]

I think straight up a "Save As Draft" option to put things in that Draft folder outside of essentials/femulator may be the way to go 😅

Like, I could have a separate path in the config for that, but... it might be simpler to keep things predictable? Unless such a folder would break anything.

[ocean acorn]

(actually, then again if theres multiple files youd want to do this for then a save and close option might be a pain in the ass)

[faint plinth]

I think in general there needs to be a way to see much more clearly what files are being saved.

[solemn zealot]

Like, show the files it changed after saving?

[faint plinth]

Not sure the best way to do it, but probably also that, if not have a more specific list of files that are being saved ahead of time.

[ocean acorn]

i think maybe at minimum list the files with unsaved changes

[faint plinth]

Unsaved changes would be kind of annoying to track...

Like, obviously it'd be nice, but.

[ocean acorn]

understandable have a nice day

[solemn zealot]

(How would the unsaved ones be shown in the first place?)

[ocean acorn]

as long as the user can find it easily enough it prob doesnt matter too much where, yeah

[solemn zealot]

Just to be sure, name the folder "FOR_THE_LOVE_OF_GOD_THE_DRAFTS_ARE_RIGHT_HERE", but "Drafts" is good too

[ocean acorn]

"EVTUI-Drafts"

[solemn zealot]

Dont want any confusion after all

What is an EH-VEE-TWO-EYE?

Is it an instrument

(How do yall pronounce this? I just think "Eeveetwai")

[faint plinth]

I just say all the letters, lol.

[ocean acorn]

same

[solemn zealot]

I am incapable of that

[faint plinth]

My wife calls it "ev-twee" 😅

[solemn zealot]

Based wife

[ocean acorn]

lmao

[solemn zealot]

Why much word if few word do trick

I pronounce all stuff like this in the least amount of effort possible

[faint plinth]

Why is getting a model to move along with a rotated parent node actually so annoying......

WorldTransform my beloathed

On the bright side, if I do figure this out, MAt_ previewing should be a trivial extension.

[amber moth]

I believe in you ajda

[faint plinth]

Thank you 🥲

[solemn zealot]

mat_ preview would be huuuuge

i spent way too much time trying to get an attached item to look right 😭

[strange wharf]

Mmmm is this what I think it is?

Is there a way to select scenes to play in game easily?

[pale linden]

The test field (I forget what the mod is called)

[solemn zealot]

https://github.com/Amicitia/Persona-5-Royal-Mod-Menu/releases

[pale linden]

Yes thank you thats it

[rocky kelp]

i switched to cachy os (purely for the aur) so here's an arch version of the batch script

on arch libvlc-dev is included with vlc and libx11 is needed

sorry use this instead

oop gtk-sharp-2 isn't on the package list but it is on the aur i'll change it to yay

there we go

cachy os has net 10, 9. 8, 7, and 6 we ballin

fedora only had 9 and 8

hey ajda guess what

it was a fedora problem

my timeline is fine now LMAOO

or maybe gtk sharp fixed it

[faint plinth]

I am banging my head against the wallllllll

[faint plinth]

(thank you for the script though, lol)

[rocky kelp]

np

[faint plinth]

I'll add it to the repo. Also lmao at there somehow being a Fedora-specific UI bug...... why...

[rocky kelp]

because fuck you i guess? lmao

it's probably more like ana valonia bug on fedora

i can make a fedora vm and see if i can recreate it on a clean install of fedora

also these 3 should cover most distros. i don't know of any distros based on anything other than debbian, fedora, or arch

[faint plinth]

Yeah, that should more or less cover it.

Coming soon... MacOS installation script?!?

(Lmao. No.)

[rocky kelp]

lmaooo

p5r can't even run on macos

[faint plinth]

Pretty sure MacOS doesn't even support OpenGL without some serious shenanigans.

[rocky kelp]

well proton uses dxvk

but the problem isn't that

[faint plinth]

I mean for EVTUI's purposes.

Non-starter!

[rocky kelp]

oooh

lmao i forgot you're using opengl

why opengl and not vulkan?

[faint plinth]

Because there's already OpenGL built into GFDStudio, and I'm not about to figure out how Vulkan works when I already barely understand graphical stuff, lollll.

[faint plinth]

I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT GRAGHHH

Just create an invisible root-of-all-roots node that's now the parent of all subfield and field object root nodes. And do any translation/rotation on that 🥴

Simple as

[golden willow]

it's a really old version of opengl, they've been using their own graphics api called metal for the past decade

this also means they never supported vulkan

[harsh carbon]

correct

even at the time the dolphin blog post i screenshotted from was made (nov 2018) opengl 4.6 was already out a year before

[golden willow]

i can validate the point of paper mario ttyd being unplayable since I tried that in the back of class lol

[harsh carbon]

LMFAOOO

yeah the bounding box games are few but they bring weak/non-supporting hardware to it's knees fr

[golden willow]

at least smash bros melee/brawl worked well, i could upscale those to 2x while playing at full speed

mario galaxy frequently dropped to 50% but i still beat it anyway lol

[harsh carbon]

not surprising, those games are heavy on EFB peeks which tend to be pretty intensive esp. before the dolphin devs did their many different optimizations on them haha

not too surprising that melee/brawl worked well since i don't think they really do much that's impactful (brawl does have a few effects that took a while for dolphin to emulate right but melee had basically no issues for most of dolphin's existence since its really not too complicated and also it's melee lol)

[golden willow]

(the most insane part was that i had the wiimote bound to IJKL)

[harsh carbon]

not even using a mouse... scarey...

(though going by you saying "in the back of class" then you were probably on a laptop or something i assume so a trackpad would've been not much better lmfao)

[faint plinth]

Looking through field init scripts for figuring out how resIDs work and re-discovered this instead... I forgot about this evidence of an earlier version of the Akechi confidant where even Rank 1 doesn't seem to be automatic (or, at least, not automatic from the original scene) ☕

[Royal Restoration Project Intensifies]

(The event doesn't actually exist though, obviously )

[rocky kelp]

mmm it might be hard to implement

ehh

disabling the first rank up shoildn't be hard

[faint plinth]

I was joking, because this is all there is left to go on, lol.

It would be fully conjecture and an original event.

[ocean acorn]

yeah lol i feel like it wouldnt be worth it anyway

[faint plinth]

No sheets 😭 Bro......

[plucky berry]

[amber moth]

shame they cut buying sheets

[plucky berry]

My beloved PQ sheets…

[solemn zealot]

can you be a demon in the sheets if you have none?

[plucky berry]

Look at what they took from us

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636749900146802702/935816887101706291/unknown.png?ex=69640b24&is=6962b9a4&hm=c2cb3901d298612dc7dbd3e222ed07097d7710944e33a657425920c50ee74eb7&

[ocean acorn]

wait are these the scrapped room decorations

[plucky berry]

Yes

You can even see the tier 1 catbed

[solemn zealot]

another thing for me to add...

[plucky berry]

The script for spawning the catbed was still in iirc, just not called

I assume it’s still there in P5R

And I think one of the cat beds doesn’t have collision

[amber moth]

it'll be fully fleshed out in p5r but still cut for some reason

[plucky berry]

Tfw almost all of the the Satanael scenes’ assets were still in the files in base P5

[faint plinth]

Which scripts spawn in objects like this?

[ocean acorn]

i kinda see why they cut back the decorations, chuck enough of these in and leblanc attic is no longer dingy-ass, but also theyre so cool

[faint plinth]

I'm trying to figure out how RESHND stuff works for field objects not defined in the GFS 🥲

[plucky berry]

The field’s init script

[amber moth]

it's a flow procedure in the leblanc init iirc

[solemn zealot]

i'd say that going out of your way to get these decorations should give you the luxury of a cool room

seriously wtf atlus what are those requirements???

[faint plinth]

Makes sense. I've been looking at that and nothing has jumped out at me re: RESHND definition. They may yet be hardcoded...

[plucky berry]

Kichijoji init is crazy…

[plucky berry]

I swear this reshnd stuff is sounding very familiar

We made a mod way back to add a velvet door right before the black mask boss, and I think it touched on that

Way way back

[solemn zealot]

tf does reshnd even stand for?

[faint plinth]

DC was mentioning that, but it seems like the person working on it primarily no longer had the files or anything.

Resource handle!

[plucky berry]

Resource handle

[plucky berry]

Yes that would be me

[solemn zealot]

thats... not a good abreviation methinks

[amber moth]

well thats atlus for ya

[rocky kelp]

i forgot his futon is held up by crates lmao

[faint plinth]

LOLLL, I see.

[plucky berry]

I think you could specify a specific reshnd in the FBN if it was spawned that way

[solemn zealot]

i never noticed

[rocky kelp]

why doesn't he just put it on the floor... that's more comfortable than crates

[plucky berry]

OR in a node property if spawned that way

[amber moth]

And I assume you remember nothing about how it could be recreated? Figured I'd ask

[rocky kelp]

also it makes fics where joker has s*x on that dinky thing even funnier. that shit isn't holding up

[solemn zealot]

clearly joker can only sleep at a very specific height its just what he's used to

[plucky berry]

Very cross-file sorta thing

[faint plinth]

The FBN is the main thing I was wondering about. Since there are a number of field-related file types that refer to RESHNDs, but none obviously defining them. Except FBN -- I couldn't tell whether it was referencing or defining.

[rocky kelp]

futons are meant to be put ont he ground anyway... unless it's a matress

i mean matresses on the floor aren't that bad either

[plucky berry]

Defining, I believe

[faint plinth]

Okay, inchresting...

That could be where the 64000-range RESHNDs come from...

[solemn zealot]

(i actually dont like sleeping at floor level. blame my autism?)

[rocky kelp]

why did they reemove this bro

[plucky berry]

Side note on the topic of velvet door…

[rocky kelp]

can someone bring back the room decorations?

[plucky berry]

@clever talon The Velvet Room math formula

[solemn zealot]

there isnt a mod that does that?

[amber moth]

I assume you both talked about it in discord dms right? Theoretically if you both were discussing it, the files could still be there in your dms. Long shot but I just had the thought.

[rocky kelp]

it's probnably too complicated

[solemn zealot]

i dont imagine how it would be

[plucky berry]

Files might still be around. I can look

[rocky kelp]

fgnfdjignb YES

[clever talon]

who what when where why

[rocky kelp]

if i let the r&v folks know they'll want some custom ones for kasumi for sure

[solemn zealot]

sierra

[faint plinth]

(points ping-blame finger at Sierra) 😅

[plucky berry]

I was attempting to deal mental damage to you again

[clever talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-piggy-yoink-grab-mine-gif-9061225795220341106

[rocky kelp]

(...is using beta assets allowed?)

[clever talon]

i dont think atlus will particularly care

also i dont think beta has any unique assets aside from 2 or 3 things

most of them made it to retail ps3

[solemn zealot]

nah atlus will deploy an atomic bomb right at the location of your computer

[amber moth]

lavenza is different

[clever talon]

well yeah, and ryuji's shirt

but most of the stuff made it in in some way

even stuff like beta anims

akechi's are still in p5r for example, black mask still has some of them

(the enemy)

[plucky berry]

4 whole years ago

[clever talon]

and you couldnt find them when i asked

[amber moth]

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-nine-im-tweakin-by-the-nine-ive-cleaned-up-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-9655073342627193017

@faint plinth

[plucky berry]

You asked????

[clever talon]

YES?

[plucky berry]

WELL THERE THEY ARE NOW

[amber moth]

I'm simply way better at asking

[clever talon]

delivering a pipe bomb to DMs

[plucky berry]

He did indeed

AND he avoided my mental attack

Lots of losing for me today…

[clever talon]

i have no idea what you wanted

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mind-enigma-spilled-milk-gif-14172730

[amber moth]

Well the greater good has been found so atleast that outweighs the bad

[plucky berry]

Remember the Velvet Room entrance math formula

[clever talon]

dont they have like 5 variations of that thing

depending on the facing angle of the door

[plucky berry]

So the context is

Have you ever wondered how the game knows where to put you after you leave the velvet room?

[clever talon]

OH

the COUNT thing

[plucky berry]

[clever talon]

i was thinking of the math they do for the cutscene to position joker before entering

also sierra i found something incredibly cursed again while looking for that

you know how the game has confidant NPCs?

[solemn zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-the-count-the-count-sesame-street-laughing-laugh-gif-15452219526891068818

[clever talon]

the NPC on the Velvet Room door is technically the Fool Arcana confidant

which is INCREDIBLY cursed

which means that one is in corptable

[plucky berry]

Every field with a velvet room door has a part of it’s script dedicated to a big math formula that essentially combines the field major ID, Minor ID, and Entrance ID all into a single number, which is then stored in a count and used to know where to put you when you leave

[solemn zealot]

what the

[clever talon]

    var40 = ( FLD_GET_MAJOR() * 1000000 );
    var41 = ( FLD_GET_MINOR() * 10000 );
    var42 = ( FLD_GET_DIV_INDEX() * 100 );
    var39 = ( ( ( var40 + var41 ) + var42 ) + var38 );
    SET_COUNT( 158, var39 );```

[faint plinth]

😨

[clever talon]

var38 is the entranceid which they sometimes assign manually

in this example they set it to 5

[plucky berry]

[strange wharf]

yep

It is EXTREMELY annoying and I'm pissed at apple because of it

however m1 and m2 users can install asahi fedora (such as I have) to run any opengl apps however its annoying to need a whole other OS for it....

the worst part about it is that the max version is gl 4.1, so its not like support is missing it's just that all versions up until deprecation are completely absent

so its simply a partial implementation.....

[faint plinth]

Fields are looking soooo much better now 🥹 I gotta clean up the branch, but it should be ready for testing pretty soon.

[solemn zealot]

Holy shit im pogging so champ rn

[solemn zealot]

[cunning sierra]

Anti-alising when?

Jk this is looking great

[rocky kelp]

ajda might die if they have to find a way to put anti aliasing in lol

[faint plinth]

When I can be bothered to switch to a framework that actually supports antialiasing and other apparently "fancy" features, i.e., not Avalonia's built-in interface 😅 I tried all the usual OpenGL antialiasing tricks but apparently they aren't supported unless I switch to Silk.NET or something similar 😔

So, a bit of a pain, but I'll get around to it eventually, probably 🤭

[solemn zealot]

rtx when

[faint plinth]

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

I swear, the Leblanc init script doesn't make any sense. Attic events may all look depressing like this for the foreseeable, even if I do get the flowscript interpreter running 😔

There are ostensibly procedures for setting up the furniture in the attic, but so many of them contain dead-end or empty code that I'm fairly convinced it's actually hardcoded....

[clever talon]

considering atlus, entirely possible

[amber moth]

I mean they hardcoded the shujin school doors

for some reason

[faint plinth]

I think Leblanc and Shujin both are likely to contain a lot more hardcoding than we're even already aware of, yeah 🫤

Actually, that reminds me...

[solemn zealot]

wait what

[faint plinth]

I was looking at F003_102 that's used for certain events (namely cheating events), which seems to just be a Leblanc dupe. It doesn't have its own init script, though, and seems to use the regular Leblanc's (F003_002) files and resIds.

Would this sort of resource-sharing across fields be hardcoded, or stored in a table somewhere?

[clever talon]

if its a dupe it wouldnt need extra stuff

itd just have everything necessary

PS3 had a LOT of dupes, because they'd just take whatever piece of geometry they needed for X event and chop off all the triangles that were not seen on screen

[faint plinth]

It has some unaccounted-for resIDs that it shares with the main field (64004 and 64005), and I don't know where those would be coming from if not some shared resource. But I could definitely be missing something (or it's a Big H moment regardless of resource sharing).

[amber moth]

Yeah, the doors leading into and out the classroom have hardcoded commands that had to be ripped out and then redone from scratch.

[clever talon]

i dont think there's any instance of X field loading files that belong to Y

[solemn zealot]

but... why?

[faint plinth]

Okay, that's good to know then

[clever talon]

we are simply not on the level of comprehending atlus' genius

[amber moth]

atlu's developers are an enigma

[clever talon]

what you can find is the keyfree system

those reuse existing fields and change stuff

as an example, when Shiho jumps off the roof, that playable section is a keyfree event

but it happens on the actual Shujin field IDs, not different ones

[faint plinth]

That's true, although I doubt that would affect regular events.

[clever talon]

they could be doing some jank like loading a keyfree and loading the event from there

one can never be too sure with atlus

i specifically remember when backporting some p5r events to p5 that some event sequences in the beginning of the game were event calls from keyfree scripts and not from the scheduler

[solemn zealot]

you mean these?

(what 'keyfree' even means here )

[clever talon]

not quite

[faint plinth]

I think it's also just used to mean "non-event"? Like that's not actually a KFEvent.

[clever talon]

there's a flow command to call a key free script

which loads field X but now all of the field's loose assets are instead loading from the key free folder from the key free event's ID

so stuff like the scripts, the fbn file, htb, fnt, etc

[solemn zealot]

im kinda lost on the topic rn so idk if this is what we are talking about?

[clever talon]

yes

as an example
CALL_KF_EVENT( 147, 101, 1, 807 );

this should be the school section during the shiho thing keyfree event from 4/15

[solemn zealot]

is there a list of these anywhere?

[clever talon]

nope!!!!!!!!!!

i just checked the scheduler

[faint plinth]

There's a bunch of files in FIELD/KF_EVENT/ in both BASE.CPK and EN.CPK, but that's about all you get for documentation here, lol.

[faint plinth]

Actually, I kinda wonder whether the "evidence" I have of these RESHNDs is just copypasta from a version that would've been in Actual Leblanc....

[plucky berry]

A Keyfree event is an event where you actually have some control

Like the small part in Joker’s hometown where you can move him manually

[solemn zealot]

so your keys are free... oh this makes sense

[faint plinth]

The various field fixes I've been mentioning are in the branch psy/field-fixes, if anyone wants to give it a test before I clean up and merge

(It very much does require a dependency update because of the GFD patch that fixes UVs 😅)

[clever talon]

did you open a PR for the gfd thing?

[faint plinth]

No I haven't done any PRing for it before, since the use cases are pretty different and I often don't know how useful it'd be... buuut this is a pretty simple and objective bugfix, so I don't really have an excuse 😅

[faint plinth]

The GFD PR has been proposed

Thank you for motivating me not to be lazy about it, lmao.