EVTUI (Visual event editing tool)

[jolly epoch]

I'll figure out which soon enough

[solemn zealot]

can't you for now use a placeholder bustup?

[jolly epoch]

it's not a major deal yet, I was just wondering if the f thing was required. Since I only used it for selection where it decides Ren's bustup

I can check later

plus

I'm a little tired of working on this event

I've been spending hours a day on it

[solemn zealot]

f is just calling a function it seems like

that one icnreases points right

[jolly epoch]

on SEL it decides what Ren's portrait looks like, at least the one I used

I copied it from Hifumi's since it's for the same portrait

[solemn zealot]

oh i see

[jolly epoch]

you don't get points in this event

maybe I should have you get somet though

but I think Sumi's first half of her confidant would already be done by now in most cases

still I could do it

[solemn zealot]

you get in other beach dates right?

[jolly epoch]

I don't think so

I went through Hifumi's yesterday in the game and I don't remember getting points

I do know that [f] is multipurpose though

it does lip flapping and decides Ren's portrait and probably does other stuff

[solemn zealot]

yeah so, in this script, every line is calling [f 1 3 65535] at the end of each line

"...Is that Kamoshida's doing, too?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]"

the MND dialogue here does not have the initial f, but it still has the one at the end

can be this?

[jolly epoch]

I think it can also flip bitflags

[jolly epoch]

for SEL the portrait can be decided on any of the selections

but for MND it probably has a different purpose

since you don't see a portrait there

[solemn zealot]

i am talking about mine

try adding [n][f 1 3 65535][w][e] to the end of every line?

[jolly epoch]

I'll try it for the first few

[solemn zealot]

its very consistent

[jolly epoch]

gosh I really need to move my OS to my NVMe

yep

freaking

if I wasn't so worried about something breaking

I'd switch my OS from my SATA to my NVMe rn

it's still a SATA SSD, but it's way slower than the NVMe

[faint plinth]

The f is generic. It's the two numbers that follow that tell you what function it is. The bup, vp, etc. functions are just aliases.

[jolly epoch]

👍

[solemn zealot]

is there anywhere that documents them?

f 1 3 seems like it sets the message to be autoable

[jolly epoch]

btw I've noticed MND tends to use [vp 1 0 0 0 -1 0] and everyone else uses [vp 8 0 0 0 -1 0] (for unvoiced dialogue)

what's the difference?

[jolly epoch]

shrinefox probably documents the common ones

but idk about anything less common

[ocean acorn]

yuristar

[solemn zealot]

i'll use this tool to add yuri to p5 (p5 but based)

[faint plinth]

I looked into this at one point, but I can't remember what I found... iirc, vp 6 also appears in some places.

[rocky kelp]

"is that kamoshida's doing, too?" sounds a bit too formal for ryuji. maybe something more like "did kamoshida do that too?"

[rocky kelp]

make Makoto and haru kiss

[jolly epoch]

"DID THAT EFFIN' KAMOSHIDA DO THIS TOO!?!?!?!"

[solemn zealot]

based ship

[solemn zealot]

honestly, something like that but without caps lock and less ?! sounds great for that line

[jolly epoch]

well I was mostly goofing around lol

maybe you should add even more !? to it

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[solemn zealot]

yes i know lol

[jolly epoch]

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[solemn zealot]

!

[rocky kelp]

[solemn zealot]

[jolly epoch]

@faint plinth is it possible to load several fields into an event?

say I wanted an event to use multiple fields

would it be better to have one event load the other or can you have several fields in one event?

[faint plinth]

It is technically possible to do within the EVT structure, but I don't know what it ends up doing in-game. Given that the vanilla game doesn't really utilize multiple fields per event even in cases where it would kind of make sense (e.g., Metaverse entry/exit), my guess is either it doesn't work or it isn't worth it. But you never know until you try 🤷

[jolly epoch]

you need an MSD_ for a model to actually load in initially I think

so I assume that FSD probably does the same thing?

are there any events that load multiple fields?

[faint plinth]

I believe it's FS__.

[jolly epoch]

something like that

I don't have the thing open rn

I'm still waiting on the bustups

[faint plinth]

I can't think of any events that do. There are some where fields have higher asset IDs than the usual 2, which makes me think there could be multiple in there... but not necessarily. I haven't looked in that much detail in a while.

I don't think there's actually a way to hide a field once you've loaded it like there is with character models....

[jolly epoch]

a field might be considered a kind of model

and there's model commands that allow you to remove assets after they're used

so it could be possible

actually yeah you can remove the field with those commands

I accidentally did it once when testing the EVTs with the json

it doesn't get rid of the crowd though iirc

[faint plinth]

Fields are not treated the same way as character models in the beta editor. So you may be able to do some wild stuff if you break its assumptions and e.g. do a MRgs on a field asset, but I would be very hesitant to have that in the UI. Because it would add confusion and breakability.

[jolly epoch]

I think you can already do that in the UI

you can select any loaded asset

[faint plinth]

No, the selection is limited to the assets of the right type for a given command.

[jolly epoch]

?

[faint plinth]

?

[jolly epoch]

only two of these are character assets

[faint plinth]

Hmmm, broken if true.

[jolly epoch]

should I test?

[faint plinth]

I should go back and check my assumptions here on vanilla events, but sure, test away.

[jolly epoch]

yep

it doesn't get rid of crowds though

[faint plinth]

Makes sense, I suppose. I think for models specifically I didn't end up limiting the IDs you can pick on the first pass because it wasn't 100% clear what the set of possible asset types could be.

[jolly epoch]

mhm

but uh

environments probably shouldn't be selectable

[faint plinth]

For field commands like FS__, it's definitely limited.

[jolly epoch]

let me try loading a two different fields throughout this event

[faint plinth]

I mean, lol, yeah, I agree.

I am kind of curious if the game just crashes if you try to deregister the env or what 😅

[rocky kelp]

we really breaking shit here

for science!

[jolly epoch]

I'm attempting to have two different fields load now lol

oh my gosh

look at those cars

but yes

it's possible

[faint plinth]

Omg.......

Okay, well, I changed my mind, lmao. This is staying in 😆

[jolly epoch]

if I can turn crowds on and off

then this could be handy

bruh imagine the types of confusion you could do with this lol

[faint plinth]

Should be doable with CwP_, I think.

[jolly epoch]

or

I could do

[rocky kelp]

the convergence

[jolly epoch]

interesting things happen if you change the field to something that it's not supposed to be

I should do this for precisely one event in my mod and nothing else

[rocky kelp]

find the funniest field combination

i like the first one where they're in the ground

[jolly epoch]

another thing that would be funny is to have Ann and Ren's chat at the diner be in Shido's office instead

but instead of letting it be buggy

I modify it so that the coordinates match up

lol

I can just add a chair for Ren to sit in

[rocky kelp]

oh my god do it

[jolly epoch]

another thing that would be funny is have a scene with Futaba where it constantly switches between three different fields before they all vanish and Futaba's like "I think the field is bugged" before kicking something and then it goes back to what it's supposed to be

[rocky kelp]

oh my god yes

futaba is aware

[jolly epoch]

imagine a p5r abridged mod that's kinda like DBZA

with voice acting and everything

[rocky kelp]

that would take forever

[jolly epoch]

yes

it would

but it'd be funny

if I'm ever in a position to do so

I might attempt it lol

[rocky kelp]

i have no voice acting experience but i will be futaba

[jolly epoch]

lol

[rocky kelp]

my voice might be a bit too deep

[lime scarab]

i love sao abridged

youre about to meet the wrath of a pissed off nerd with admin privilleges!

[jolly epoch]

just imagine futaba with a super deep voice

ever seen ATLA?

like the guy who played Toph in the play in the show lol

[lime scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/sao-abridged-gif-27612228

https://tenor.com/view/sword-art-online-sao-quantum-no-fucks-dont-care-gif-22669589

[jolly epoch]

I've never seen that one

I've seen the p3a abridged, DBZA, and some of evangelion abridged

[rocky kelp]

ok my voice isn't that deep lol

idk how to describe it without misgendering myself

[jolly epoch]

yeah but it gave me that idea lol

[rocky kelp]

but the best way i can describe it is a tomboy-ish voice

someone did tell me once i sounded non-binary and i was very happy lol

[jolly epoch]

so you sound like Morgana

I just sound like your average guy

extremely average

[mellow gazelle]

SAO ABRIDGED!!

[weary pelican]

SAO Abridged reference hello

[lime scarab]

yes I also youre about to feel the wrath of a pissed off nerd with admin privileges lol

[lime scarab]

ah yes my fellow abridged lovers

[jolly epoch]

Hmm

In unison with my custom event, I should change two other things

First: I should add a description of Sumi as one of the possible selection options when Ryuji asks Ren his type

Second: I should have some edited dialogue in the giftshop scene if you went with Sumi

I'm pretty sure the options you have are meant to be:
Ann
Makoto
Futaba

When asked your type

So I should add one for the strawberry

[solemn zealot]

anyone know what calls the cardboard cutout expressions over the characters' heads? ❗ 💦 etc

found it. MIc_

[solemn zealot]

how do i change the size of these?

[faint plinth]

There should be a frame duration setting under the frame options within the command's editor.

[solemn zealot]

oh lmao thanks

my eyes skipped over that

isn't there a way to make the character's head snap to someone else's head?

[faint plinth]

It doesn't really seem like it 😔

MLa_ only seems to work with coordinates, based on experiments so far. And vanilla events are pretty consistent with that.

[solemn zealot]

... close enough

i just have to invert uh... x?

[faint plinth]

Might be easier to find the model's last position (from MSD_ or MMD_) and copypaste the coordinates. Plus probably increase the Y from zero to something akin to the height 😅

I'll def try to figure out some way to make look-ats less annoying....

[solemn zealot]

good point

[solemn zealot]

my favorit evt editor. vlc media player

[faint plinth]

Is there anything the hardworking folks at VLC can't do 🫡

[jolly epoch]

Play the ukulele?

[solemn zealot]

this is what i've been working on

(i try to make the vids as light as i can so sry for the quality )

[jolly epoch]

do you have a list of voice packs btw?

that's the main reason I had Sumi muted essentially during the event

since I didn't have any list for them

amicitia doesn't list them either afaik

[solemn zealot]

go to a confidant event, the corresponding character will have a whole list in the Audio tab

[jolly epoch]

ah

ok

[solemn zealot]

thoughts?

i know i still have to add some head movement and animation after the choice

[jolly epoch]

it does make me curious

moreso why Atlus didn't do stuff like this during story events more often

like having your choices give you confidant points

those were generally reserved for optional social scenes

it's coming along nicely, though I think some of the voicepacks don't quite fit what the dialogue actually says

if you can't find something appropriate I'm sure just leaving it muted is fine

[solemn zealot]

i dont wanna have muted lines in events with voice acting

i think it feels even more jarring personally

[jolly epoch]

it's jarring either way

imo

[faint plinth]

I think the clips here work decently! Better than silence, imo. YMMV as always.

[jolly epoch]

tbh I find it more jarring when they play the voicepack anyway despite totally changing what the line says in mods like R&V

I'd rather it be muted personally

but that's just me

[solemn zealot]

oh yeah this sucks. so far if i changed a line, i remove the voice

[solemn zealot]

seems like this is very subjective

[faint plinth]

The most complete fix to me would just be switching a whole event to use singleword, but that sounds like a lot more work, lol.

[jolly epoch]

well I'm also used to ddlc mods when it comes to VN-esque stuff so maybe I'm just used to silent unvoiced stuff anyway

[solemn zealot]

the voice acting is too good to remove

[jolly epoch]

btw

what's your guys' opinion of me having Ann kick Kamoshida in the nuts

:)

I'm gonna wait until that insert function is done ofc, but it's one of the changes I want to do

[faint plinth]

[solemn zealot]

nah, make her use skull's bat instead (we are talking of cognitive kamoshida right?). she shouldnt be soiling her boots with that

[jolly epoch]

oh I was gonna edit the scene where Ann makes an excuse about feeling sick or something so she doesn't have to go anywhere with Kamoshida

so that she just kicks him in the nuts after he asks and runs off

[solemn zealot]

i dont think ann is stupid to do that. but if its a meme mod anyway, then sure lmao

[jolly epoch]

well yeah exactly lol

it doesn't have to fit canon

Kamoshida just deserves to never be able to have children is all

[ocean acorn]

someone else who actually thinks of the fridge logic of "how the hell does everyone else follow jonkler when he uses the hook"

[solemn zealot]

the game ever touches on that?

[jolly epoch]

magic

some people hc that morgana gave everyone one

[jolly epoch]

nope

not even once

[solemn zealot]

imagine on the final palace, joker is carrying like 9 mfers with him

[jolly epoch]

I think it's most likely that everyone has one, not just joker

[ocean acorn]

"but it was cool in smash!!"

[jolly epoch]

and it's cool in the game so no biggie

:)

[solemn zealot]

fuck it i'll have a scene where morgana finally makes one for everyone, implying that joker was carrying yusuke, ann, morgana, and ryuji on their back this entire time

[faint plinth]

Omg. Please do this.

[jolly epoch]

how's this feature coming along btw?

[ocean acorn]

somewhere around makoto there becomes too fucking many of them to all ride at once so he has to :V

[faint plinth]

It's more or less done. I want to add a frame deletion one, too, but I haven't had time to do anything for a day or two ✌️😔

[jolly epoch]

just do your best

[solemn zealot]

nah i'd win

[jolly epoch]

if you can animate, then you could do a goofy one of them attempting to and then the line snaps

[solemn zealot]

doing animations close to p5's quality would need a lot of time and skill, and preferably motion cap, because the animations can be this smooth thanks to it

[jolly epoch]

make IK rigs

[faint plinth]

PModding mocap studio when....

[solemn zealot]

virtual mocap

[jolly epoch]

I was planning to do a couple of animations in my project, but don't expect them to be p5r animation quality

btw do you know where the flowscript logic for Ryuji's instakill ability is?

I think you were looking at it before

[solemn zealot]

oh dont worry. i dont think anyone expects any modder to do it in that level, unless they have quite the repertoire for this

[jolly epoch]

I've used blender for like ten years

but most of that time was not spent animating

[solemn zealot]

cant wait to see what you do

[rocky kelp]

so basically you're making it so the other thieves get a grappling hook?

[solemn zealot]

not yet

[jolly epoch]

freaking need a new headset

mine doesn't like staying connected anymore

[jolly epoch]

same

outside of animating Ann kicking Kamoshida in the nuts, idk what else I want to add yet

[ocean acorn]

wouldnt that be hardcoded rather than in flow

[jolly epoch]

I was thinking of making Akechi's blackmask transformation turn him into a bunch of pancakes

[jolly epoch]

I think @solemn zealot looked into it before

[solemn zealot]

im mostly injecting more interaction between characters in the game.

[solemn zealot]

nah i didnt

[jolly epoch]

darn

[jolly epoch]

as long as I can modify the loot it's fine, that's all I was planning to touch anyway

[solemn zealot]

isnt the loot the shadow's loot?

[jolly epoch]

since I had the goofy idea of reverting it to vanilla p5 logic lol

[jolly epoch]

yeah but instakill probably has a script for that

plus it gets you personas too, so it could be a separate function from the regular loot thing

[ocean acorn]

like actually imagine if theyd played into the issue in the world design and thered be bits where jonkler would have to grapple somewhere and then create a non-grapple path so the others can follow, and it was possible to get into an encounter while doing this which youd have to do solo

[solemn zealot]

i think that would have more help in #p5-modding-chat

[ocean acorn]

#1045463242765504552

[solemn zealot]

that too!

[jolly epoch]

I was just asking you since you were here and I thought you looked at it lol

[solemn zealot]

i'd love to be able to look at exes trust me

[jolly epoch]

I'll look through the flowscript

I think that doing anything with C code in this project is a bit beyond the scope of it

so I'll either drop it if I can't find anything or, if I can, make it dumb :)

[faint plinth]

Using this as a springboard for my thoughts... It'd be nice to have a way to go through the singleword cue groups without already having the cues in your event. But the audio previewing is some of the oldest stuff in the UI, so we'll see when I get around to revamping itand actually making AtomicAudio GUI lol.

[jolly epoch]

plus including DLLs in it could be bad, people like mudkip said before they don't trust mods that use dlls

unless it's open source, but I imagine even if it is some people would rather not risk it

[solemn zealot]

using this as springboard for my question... is there a key i can press to play the audio, or do i have to click on the play button?

[faint plinth]

Hmmm, I think you do have to click the button. Which is kind of clunky, I agree. Does pressing the enter or space key do anything? (I don't think it does, but I don't actually remember what all I did there.)

[solemn zealot]

enter doesnt work to play because it 'clicks' on the element its focusing, its not tied to the play button

so if you're choosing an audio, enter doesnt work. if you just pressed to play audio, then enter again, it will play the audio, but the arrows wont move the list, and clicking on the list repeats the former

tld;dr: enter focus based so not play

[faint plinth]

Yeah, if it seems clunky, it probably just is clunky for now, unfortunately.

[solemn zealot]

its workable for now, you can focus on other stuff

[ocean acorn]

actually that reminds me, when im checking the box to pin events i often have to double click because the first one just highlights it instead of actually checking it

[rocky kelp]

gamebanana scans for viruses... but idk how well

[jolly epoch]

not well enough for some people

I'm not saying I'd put a virus in

I'm saying it'd cause less people to trust the program if I had a dll in it and it wasn't a framework

[rocky kelp]

idk code mods are verrry popular lol

idc imo

code mods are like... the reason reloaded was made

reloaded was meant to be a dll injecting mod loader

[solemn zealot]

the entire day i was doing this
i'd say I'm 99% done with this event
time go to back to gameplay modding

[jolly epoch]

events take a while lol

[faint plinth]

OK, options to insert/clear/delete frames are in 🙏 They're minimally stress-tested, so they seem to work as far as I can tell, but be wary, lol.

[jolly epoch]

👍

I'll test tomorrow

figuring other things out rn

[faint plinth]

[ocean acorn]

> idly remember i was yeeting the bit_off call that makes sumire start putting her hair up again
> notice that corp022 maybe possibly calls e700_310
> e700_310.bmd doesnt exist
> realize it probably uses 700_300 as external bmd instead
> open it in evtui to test my hypothesis
oh

[rocky kelp]

rip

[jolly epoch]

bustups obtained

courtesy of https://x.com/EonDriver

Eon (@EonDriver) on X

Doing a draw and doing my best!
Store: https://t.co/Jpr1wEKT7O
https://t.co/JNrHnFsbYn

X

I decided to give them 500 values since that's not used for Sumi's bustups

[faint plinth]

Cute!

[faint plinth]

Ooh, that's a good reminder, lol. I forgot that I don't actually use the custom paths in extraction yet. Adding that to the list of script-related things to do 🥲

[jolly epoch]

I only did 5 bustups (EonDriver prepared two bustup orientations for me to use), but they should suffice for this scene

if I need another one I can just make another edit now that I have an outfit for it

[faint plinth]

Laundry list of script issues, while I'm probably forgetting others:
(🔄 = coded, ✅ = merged)

• ✅ Modernize Msg_ command editor, including making sure the local data index is in there for selections
• ✅ Fix MsgR crashes
• ✅ Update Avalonia version to get ALT codes working (see this issue)
• ✅ Only show messages with names that can be parsed into major/minor/sub IDs in the Msg_ name selection (+ a little tooltip explaining the pattern)
• ✅ Use the EVT header data re: script usage and custom paths in extraction
• ✅ Look into lag from syntax highlighting after switching scripts
  • ✅ ...as well as scroll position inconsistency after switching tabs
• ✅ Get BMD parsing to work irrespective of endianness
• Get modded scripts within custom CPK folders to work on BF/BMD emulation mode
  • Same for scripts that don't exist in vanilla, custom CPK or not
• Get case (in)sensitivity to behave consistently in script paths specifically, but also in any paths
• Make compilation/saving more intuitive (and transparent re: what's saving where)
• Actually have BMD emu setup display properly on the timeline
• Make vanilla vs. mod script selection clearer, correct for emu, direct config of custom "CPK" folder names
• Make sure audio previewing can account for messages embedded in BFs
  • ...and be more reactive to changes to messages in general
• Add ability to open up any BF/BMD, especially scriptchats that get called by the event...?
• Make sure bustup/cutin previews don't stop working after the first time clicking them within a command editor session

Feel free to add on other stuff I'm inevitably forgetting ✌️

[jolly epoch]

welp

now that I've added the bustups to the event

I should probably update my local repo of EVTUI lol

and then go to bed

tomorrow I'll do the voicepacks

tomorrow I wanna make at least one goofy event change using the new insert system

expect something absolutely stupid

[weary pelican]

So Mona?

[jolly epoch]

Haven't decided yet

[solemn zealot]

[solemn zealot]

why ryuji's awakening event has this

[solemn zealot]

(really unfinished. just me testing the add/clear frames feature)
HECK YEAH. It's so easy to just add stuff now

i'll be stress testing it i guess

[solemn zealot]

just one thing: adding frames does not move the blue highlight of a column

[faint plinth]

True, yeah. I guess that would be expected behavior 🤔

[solemn zealot]

the thing is that the nodes move: good, makes it easier to pace stuff. but the highlight basically stays where the nodes used to be. like, i mean, you can easily remove it and add again tho. just mentioning because in a long enough event, this could get confusing

[faint plinth]

I agree. Shifting marker frames when frames are inserted/deleted should be an easy enough thing to add.

[solemn zealot]

so far nothing broke. the new feature is making the process buttery smooth

[faint plinth]

YAAAY 🥳 I hadn't realized how essential this would be for the workflow, for something so simple... but it makes sense! The power of QA testing.

[jolly epoch]

Legit something like this was the first thought I had when it came to convenience

Not exactly the same, more like a boolean that determines whether an addition should offset everything after

But this is great

Now my power over events will be limitless

https://tenor.com/view/femc-kotone-shiomi-p3p-persona-fire-gif-1205190765552418820

[solemn zealot]

it seems like the animation preview is a bit broken. ann's weren't loading and ryuji's crashed when i tried to switch... but it was only for this event. i'm checking the other ones and the preview looks fine. i even spammed add frames/clear frames to see if that somehow caused it, but nope...

ingame vs what appears in the editor

but so far its ONLY this event which is wack

[faint plinth]

I think I recall some weirdness for Ann and Ryuji pretty specifically, but I don't remember what I found

[jolly epoch]

Not all of Sumire's animations load properly either

[faint plinth]

I think it was that some of their animation IDs seem to be old and wrong, and the game must have a logic for backing off to an existing file....

I thought I fixed it, but maybe not.

[jolly epoch]

I can tell what they are usually, but they're frozen frame 1

By the way @faint plinth what does the UI grab for facial animations?

Like what file

[solemn zealot]

in another project

its loading the correct one

judging by the crashes, and my ann model just up and vanishing in the preview... maybe its a desync?

interestingly, i changed the model id of joker to ryuji in a MAB_, and when i tried to change ryuji's animation, it crashed

[solemn zealot]

nvm that is because of the 'from ext?' being turned on. btw how that works?

[faint plinth]

Ah, I've been meaning to display the paths it uses for animations in general -- that would help to answer both of your questions re: facial and ext animation paths.

I don't get the animation crashes (cross-platform moment............), but switching between models can get a little wonky.

But basically, uhhh, facial animations usually come from their EMT GAPs. Ext animations are derived from the secondary animation IDs defined on the asset.

[solemn zealot]

talking of facials (wait... phrasing), morgana doesn't show the MAA_, and i have a pretty good guess that morgana is too short and the camera isnt picking his face

[faint plinth]

Primary animations are usually of the pattern EVENT/BE*.GAP, and secondary (ext) ones are of the pattern EVENT/AE*.GAP.

[faint plinth]

Morgana's weird because his animations are material ones. I don't know exactly how those work....

[solemn zealot]

here goes my fun theory

[faint plinth]

That's also why he looks terrifying in previews

[faint plinth]

So basically: models will almost always have a base animation GAP loaded, and sometimes will have an event-specific secondary (ext) GAP loaded. Checking that box switches which one you're pulling animations from.

It can get wonky if the model doesn't have an ext animation file loaded. Needs patching to make it more intuitive for sure.

[solemn zealot]

well, at least i can get around by changing and copying the mab in an event that is working, and the pasting into this crashing one.

[jolly epoch]

btw

is it possible for me to get the EVT to load the voiceline audio so it's easier to check?

rather than having two projects open

[balmy basalt]

SpyPigeon

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ajda

Using this as a springboard for my thoughts... It'd be nice to have a way to go through the singleword cue groups without already having the cues in your event. But the audio previewing is some of the oldest stuff in the UI, so we'll see when I get around to revamping itand actually making AtomicAudio GUI lol.

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[faint plinth]

Possible and something I want to implement, but I haven't touched that functionality in a while.

(Simply loading the full singleword every time without any extra design around it would massively bloat and slow everything down )

[solemn zealot]

just before i forget. this is not urgent, but having a way to see which frame is which in this window would be helpful. if not a slider, at least show the ending and starting frame or just a frame counter ticking somewhere

[jolly epoch]

oh loading one into the event and then reloading it worked

how many voicepacks should I use?

[faint plinth]

Agreed, but that will require some more work from me to understand the internals of the animations 😅

[jolly epoch]

there's not exactly a good line for everything Sumi says

so what's a good balance

[solemn zealot]

is it possible to just print the frame number for now? would reduce a lot of friction from guessing or opening gfdstudio. no pressure, tho

[faint plinth]

Possibly, but even that will require a bit of digging 😅 So it may be super simple, but it also might. Not be.

...saw dniwe typing earlier, probably to tell me to do my annual update of the GFD dependency 😆

Honestly, should probably make PRs for Pherakki's work on blend animations, if he's not around to do it....

[patent pier]

im just lurking

[faint plinth]

Confidant events are probably a good litmus test here. Not sure what ratio they use, but probably like... 1/3 of the lines have a singleword bark, if I had to guess?

[solemn zealot]

they can be used in some lines to convey what you're going for more clearly, or to enhance the emotion in a scene

trust your gut i'd say?

[faint plinth]

That's a good point. They add emphasis to the lines if used sparingly.

So, whichever lines you want to stand out emotionally.

[solemn zealot]

Portrait: constant, instantaneous visual shorthand for the tone of every line.
Animation: contextualizes it in the environment, makes some lines pop out, or can be their own lines by themselves without needing a single printed word.
Voice: applies the cadence that makes what you're going for hit.

[jolly epoch]

well I've added voicelines to like four of the lines

[solemn zealot]

uuh... apparently ann doesnt have most of her animations in the event im editing? how? w-why??? animation id 3 is her last one before nothing plays in the preview, and not in the game either. the event is 161_301

[faint plinth]

Old vanilla events are weird re: Ann and Ryuji animations 😬

Is that even true when not using her ext animations? Like just her base ones?

[solemn zealot]

yeah, the ext is not turned on

[faint plinth]

Possibly you could try messing with the animation IDs on her model asset.

[solemn zealot]

funnily enough, i just found out about this

i would have tested before

[solemn zealot]

literally seconds before you sent the message lol

[jolly epoch]

btw @faint plinth do you think you could add a reset function to the MAA_?

there's so much blank space for additive animations that idk which one resets it

0 just does the blinking animation, but doesn't open them up if they're closed

[faint plinth]

I also don't know how to reset them aside from setting it to zero

Do you have them using the same "track" value?

[jolly epoch]

I don't change the track value at all

so they're all at 0

[amber moth]

I don't remember if this was ever fixed. But from what I can tell it's because it's trying to load an 'invalid' anim and so it crashes.

Essentially it's trying to read ryuji's ID for anims rather than jokers. Which the specific anim you tried setting it to doesn't exist for ryuji, thus it crashes.

[jolly epoch]

last I checked the asset ID isn't updated fully until you close the window

so when you switch it, you have to click off and then back on

[amber moth]

I've had it crash even after closing the window.

[faint plinth]

Yeahhh, I keep forgetting about that and not fixing it because it doesn't crash on my machine

[amber moth]

windows on top✊

[faint plinth]

🤭

[amber moth]

I guess now that logging is a thing I can give it a try again.

[jolly epoch]

no like

the model you are changing the animation of won't update until you change the asset ID and then the window

[faint plinth]

I think your analysis of the issue is correct, though. No sure if logs would tell us anything else.

[faint plinth]

There's some weirdness there, too, yeah. Most worth fixing as part of making the full render work and be responsive, tbh.

[solemn zealot]

nah it was not that. switching seems actually fine

the ext was just on that's why

[solemn zealot]

hasn't happened with me yet

[amber moth]

Just got it to crash. Here's the log. It's definitely more indepth than before with just segmentation fault.

[faint plinth]

Still not that telling, tbh 😔

[amber moth]

damn

[faint plinth]

I think I need a PR where I just put error catching literally everywhere I've been lazy and left it out.

[amber moth]

Actually I think we need to kill atlus

but yeah more error catching would be cool

[solemn zealot]

mood

[solemn zealot]

okay i swear ann's head is stuck looking at mona. the value shouldnt be making her look there

[jolly epoch]

I had a problem with MLA like this earlier

MLa_ calls have to be spaced

I generally go like 20 frames or so between each one

[solemn zealot]

okay seems like most of the time, using 'slow' is the issue

[faint plinth]

I'll bet that enum determines how many frames it takes, but I don't know what the number actually is.

That may be good to determine....

(Through trial and error in-game )

I don't know why it doesn't just let you set the number of interpolated frames like normal 😭

[solemn zealot]

the thing is that it seems that it might be easily interrupted for some reason?

[faint plinth]

It definitely is.

[jolly epoch]

I'm gonna leave my hawaii event as it is now, except maybe I'll adjust some sounds

and I'll work out the rest of the bugs closer to the release of this mod since I'm very tired of working on that one event lol

[solemn zealot]

seems like "reset eyes" can fix if a head movement is being 'sticky' and stubborn

maybe there is automatic tracking?

[faint plinth]

If there is, it's not clear how it's done 🤷

But messing with the various checkboxes within MLa_ is a good bet.

[jolly epoch]

is the part where you decide which person to hang out with/go on a date with for hawaii another event?

[faint plinth]

Not sure, but probably?

[jolly epoch]

my guess is that it's part of 320 201

[solemn zealot]

i'd say im 3/4s of the way there

[jolly epoch]

it is not

hmm

ngl I have no idea where to look for this script

clearly it exists, it's probably in the language cpk

but I can't find it

[faint plinth]

Do you know any specific lines from it? Otherwise, possibly check the scheduler on the day/time it happens.

[jolly epoch]

wait what

I enabled the logging of certain info and it says it's event id 747 000

amicitia wiki lied

it says that's makoto's though

???

that's correct

but why did it access it then...

hmm

maybe that script just contains the messages

nope

oh

it might be a KFEvent

[faint plinth]

I'd guess it's either an event or a field script.

Either way, it probably calls most of the dialogue from chat scripts.

But the scheduler is really the best place to check.

[jolly epoch]

it's this one

it's unlabeled on amicitia

hmmm

what's the easiest way to check romances?

since I'm trying to check if there's any romances at all

seems like 1288 is for the date

[solemn zealot]

why do i get so many happy chemicals to the brain when editing events

the gameplay part of the mod is screaming for attention

[faint plinth]

Checking all of the associated bitflags, tbh.

[faint plinth]

😈

[jolly epoch]

there's no bitflag for if you have a romance at all?

also idk what all of them are :(

[ocean acorn]

unhardcoded romance readme should have them all

well

some existing mods use different flags for guy romance
but tbh i dont think thisll be compatible with those anyway lol

[jolly epoch]

novelty?

it's been pretty tough to do before EVTUI

[jolly epoch]

better for me not to consider them yeah

the reason I want it to only be available if you don't have a romance is because I plan for it to influence Sumi's dialogue in the gift shop scene btw, figured it'd be easier if I didn't have to bring up the cheating thing

plus if you romanced someone else you probably wouldn't care to do the Sumi date anyway

[solemn zealot]

well... before i had limited ways to express my changes, and they were tied to what you could change in .msg. i had more freedom in bf scripts tho, so i had quite some fun there

but yeah now i feel like the sky's the limit

[jolly epoch]

this is so ugly

should probably flip the results just to make it less confusing

[ocean acorn]

what if you check how the rank 9s do it, since they warn you if youre already dating someone
if theres a more efficient way it might be shown there

[jolly epoch]

let me see

nope it's basically the same

[solemn zealot]

so whenever you add a romance, you have to add to every single nook and cranny calling for it...

[ocean acorn]

what if i make this but for flowutils

[jolly epoch]

go ahead

BIT_CHK returns essentially a boolean right?

like during compilation it'll just assume == 1 right?

[solemn zealot]

im sure by default its 0, false

[ocean acorn]

0 for false 1 for true, so basically yeah

[jolly epoch]

in programming when you write a bool if you just have if check for it it'll assume true and if you put an exclamation point before it'll assume false

[solemn zealot]

oh that

[jolly epoch]

I'm wondering if flowscript assumes the same

[solemn zealot]

yeah just checking is asking if its true

[jolly epoch]

now... what ID should I use

if statement above is just essentially what I'm copying from

they're not in order btw

so they don't go 590,591,592

[solemn zealot]

oh yeah you'll have to add a chat if you don't have...

[jolly epoch]

ik

[solemn zealot]

do you know how to change icon and title?

[jolly epoch]

wondering what ID I should give it

[jolly epoch]

I can figure it out

[solemn zealot]

tell me then cause i dont

[jolly epoch]

there's a flowscript file on each one, I'm sure it's determined there if not in the messagescript

[solemn zealot]

from the little i looked it didnt seem like it

but i might have missed something

@faint plinth MsgR node crashes when clicked

[ocean acorn]

skob

male flag check only works for the stock unhardcoded romance flags too 😭

and both gay jonkler and that one femc mod use different ones

[jolly epoch]

the Rose & Violet male romances might use different ones too lol

[ocean acorn]

no that one uses stock unhardcoded romance flags

[jolly epoch]

ah

anyone know what 1288 is for?

the bitflag

it gets turned on when you select a hawaii date and is then turned back off at the end of the hawaii date

and I'm just wondering why they bother

and it only gets turned on for some hawaii dates

there's two where it does not

one is the Ryuji event and the other is chat ID 411 which idk which it is

ngl

I'm just gonna copy Hifumi's chat messages and change them lol

they each start with [f 5 14] @solemn zealot, maybe that determines chat icon?

or it could be the name

since they're still signed as [Hifumi] in this case

[ocean acorn]

like i could do a little thing to fetch the correct flag id depending on enabled mods, but...i dont know the femc ones off the top of my head

(i dont have the gay jonkler ones memorized either but theyre pinned in the respective forum post so thats less of an issue)

[jolly epoch]

and you'd have to update it every single time a new mod comes out that has any kind of custom romances

so tbh

leaving it just vanilla and unhardcoded is simpler in the end

[ocean acorn]

i find it highly improbable that anyone would make a mod and willfully use different flags

[jolly epoch]

people do weird things all the time

plus they might make a custom romance character at some point, it's possible with unhardcoded romances to do that isn't it?

[rocky kelp]

I switched all of gay joker's flags to the new ones

[ocean acorn]

unhardcoded romance has unique behavior for gay jonkler and femc specifically because those mods predate it and have their current flags grandfathered in
theres no good reason to use different flags in a new mod since you are denying yourself the use of unhardcoded romance's features

[rocky kelp]

^^^^^

use the stock unhardcoded romance flags. there's no reason not to

[jolly epoch]

you say that as though humans are known for their good reasoning skills

[rocky kelp]

in r&V male romance I mean

[jolly epoch]

I'm just saying that someone's probably gonna do it lol

even if it's really unneeded

[solemn zealot]

humans are also pretty lazy sometimes. so why change when its already there?

[ocean acorn]

if someone is stupid enough to do that then they can suck my dick

[jolly epoch]

again

people do weird things lol

[solemn zealot]

[jolly epoch]

sometimes people put a lot more effort than is required

[jolly epoch]

I can guarantee you someone is stupid enough to do that

[ocean acorn]

they can fuck around and find out

[jolly epoch]

if I make an early Sumi romance mod then I'll give her a new bitflag just to give you a headache

[ocean acorn]

glhf

[jolly epoch]

(not really, that's way more pain than it's worth)

[solemn zealot]

i don't imagine there is a good gui for message editing?

[ocean acorn]

notepad

[solemn zealot]

figures

[rocky kelp]

dude

[solemn zealot]

fetching stuff not in the original msg is such a pain...

[rocky kelp]

unhardcoded romance has an extra flag for sumire I thought

[jolly epoch]

sorta

both have the same bitflag

there's just two character IDs

[ocean acorn]

the point is adding support for existing popular mods does not obligate me to also support the asinine decisions of imaginary people

[jolly epoch]

since Kasumi and Sumire are technically separate characters in the game ig

btw

E747_101 is failing to load now for some reason

[rocky kelp]

oh her slot changes

[jolly epoch]

kinda interesting though

since that means you absolutely could do an early Sumi romance mod

even without unhardcoded romances

why is it treating it like it's blank

I made the freaking flow and msg files

and they only contain edits like the FEmulator guide says

[solemn zealot]

do you have the corresponding empty file in the cpk?

[jolly epoch]

yeah

it complained at me for not declaring sVar0 and now says that sVar0 is already declared

annoying

CALL_SET_SWITCH might be the problem?

[solemn zealot]

you might be missing a ;

[ocean acorn]

are you using dummy file or vanilla file
i feel like ive gotten weird behavior using vanilla files before

[solemn zealot]

the error is stupid and pretends like your syntax is perfect

happens often

[jolly epoch]

the function I'm replacing says _dummy

[solemn zealot]

also do not use special ' and ". use the default ones. the thing cant understand those and goes capoot

[jolly epoch]

and I added _hook to the end of that btw

[ocean acorn]

i meant in persona essentials folder

[jolly epoch]

oh

yes it's blank

it's just a blank txt with the file extension changed to BF

[solemn zealot]

have you checked already for a missing ;?

most of the time its just that

[jolly epoch]

it's not missing

[solemn zealot]

any missing or wrong {}?

[jolly epoch]

my assumption is that this is wrong somehow

maybe I'm missing something

[solemn zealot]

this wouldnt cause that error tho

[jolly epoch]

it said something about CALL_SET_SWITCH above where it complained about the variable

I also removed the variable since clearly the globals aren't the problem

oh duh

I didn't finish the check romance... check

let's see

[solemn zealot]

if it has nonsensical 'var already declared' when thats just... no. then it's a syntax error

[jolly epoch]

it complained it wasn't declared and then complained again when I added it so no, that's not the problem

it shouldn't be the problem anyway

[solemn zealot]

yeah as i said, the var is not the problem, its wrong syntax somewhere

[jolly epoch]

I'm attempting to complete the if statement

once I figure out what var2 is for

since that's the last thing it needs

what does SEL_MASK do?

since that's what var2 is used for later on

[solemn zealot]

im sure its used for hiding options

[jolly epoch]

okay

var2 is essentially set to 15 at the start

then the if statements subtract its value

I say essentially because

well

I have no idea why they did it this way

none of these are variables

what if I just

don't set it to anything

[faint plinth]

That shit's in a CTD I can unearth the info later if you need it, but yeah.Table data.

[faint plinth]

😱 Well, good timing, because that's up next for a revamp.

[solemn zealot]

as i imagined

eventually i will make many custom chat messages, so i will need that in the future

[balmy basalt]

ajda

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SecreC.

it's handled in en/init/cmpTable.bin/chatDataTable.ctd

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[solemn zealot]

huh. i dont remember if i had searched this server for this before. i guess i gave up before i resorted to discord since it wasnt a priority

anyway thanks

[jolly epoch]

this might be the real reason mine's not working

since I'm not replacing an existing chat ID

CTD is effectively the same as FTD right?

[faint plinth]

Yep.

[jolly epoch]

ok

I'm gonna extract it, modify it, and then replace the bin version with it again

[faint plinth]

Should be able to use PAK emulator with it 🤔

[solemn zealot]

...the other half of the event will easily take another day.

[jolly epoch]

do you know what each Data value does?

Data[0] is almost always 0 and Data[1] varies

I assume Data[1] is who you're chatting with?

in which case which is Sumi's...

[faint plinth]

Oh, is it not in the existing template?

[jolly epoch]

I'm using Persona_5R_FTD.bt

from...

I forget which github page

[balmy basalt]

ZArkadia

@faint plinth @tired lodge

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[jolly epoch]

there's a few I grabbed from

[faint plinth]

Check this and above in the thread. Or possibly it's in ark's fork.

[solemn zealot]

i did less for more hours

i'll sleep then tackle this, hopefully

[jolly epoch]

do I run p5r_chatDataTable.bt?

it's giving me errors

btw @faint plinth for pak emulator do I still need a blank persona essentials file?

[rocky kelp]

yo u do

for the pak

[jolly epoch]

just the .bin file?

blank though right?

ugh

[rocky kelp]

yeah

[jolly epoch]

it's still complaining about CALL_SET_SWITCH

and idk why because 1320 is a valid entry in the ctd

and it was before I even touched it

just to be clear

when you make a function hook, you copy the whole function right?

then add your code

[jolly epoch]

apparently misread it

I'm surprised nobody pointed that out

fixed it

but now there's another issue

for some reason it's showing Iwai's icon at the top but Sumi's icon during the chad

and the other problem is idk where it decides which event to call

[solemn zealot]

i am so confused by MRot

somehow i still dont know if the yaw is 'rotate by' or 'rotate to'

[solemn zealot]

i think i'll actually finish this pretty soon.

[faint plinth]

I'm pretty sure it's just absolute rotation, not relative to the model's prior rotation or anything

[solemn zealot]

I finished the rest of the event

im pretty sure this is basically 100% done outside of microadjustments i'll make in some other lifetime

[faint plinth]

Nice work!!

You already got the details of the movements and body language pretty on-the-mark 😮

I suspect microadjustments will wait until you can do at least some of that previewing within the editor rather than opening up the game a million times, lolll.

[solemn zealot]

that will def be appreciated once the pts start expanding

making events with 6 or so characters on screen...

[bronze cargo]

Nice work! I'm impressed by the head movements, that must have taken you a lot of time

[solemn zealot]

a lot of throwing my head at the wall... or theirs sometimes

[bronze cargo]

And don't worry, you either become tolerant to the little imperfections... or you just lose your soul to it. There's no inbetween

[solemn zealot]

oh yeah it was like, yesterday, an entire day from morning all the way to today's early afternoon

idk how it takes so long tho

when you see the clock, the time has already gone

[faint plinth]

Event-editing addiction hotline feature coming soon 😅

[solemn zealot]

it feels like you've done way more than you actually did

[rocky kelp]

@faint plinth did you fix the issue with the borked gay joker evt's?

can i open them now?

[faint plinth]

They should all be good, yeah.

[rocky kelp]

ok thanks

[faint plinth]

OK, this should now work as expected ✌️

[faint plinth]

Msg_ and MsgR command editors should now be complete / not crash in the latter case, plus the ability to actually select the local data index in which to store the choice is there... although that doesn't include a fix for showing BMD emu versions of things in the timeline just yet 🥲 Still working on that + more intuitive compiling/saving in general.

[solemn zealot]

hmmm i should be able to turn an unused event into a completely different one, and call it on a certain fhit?

oh yeah talking about unused, having the unused and even new flashbacks of the palace rulers should be doable now for me

[solemn zealot]

well, the first part is easily done. now, to make an entire event

[solemn zealot]

yo, I cloned ann's rank 2 confidant under 706_025 (the original is 706_020) and im very surprised that 1) that works ingame, and 2)evtui recognized my unique event id

i have no constraints let my shackles be undone

[faint plinth]

Nice Yeah, adding fully new events is fine, there just isn't a good way to do a clone like that within the editor yet.

[solemn zealot]

i just use the "Everything" search tool in my dump file, and mirror everything that shares the same id there. there's nothing i can miss

(unless that would be tbl or ctd dependant )

[solemn zealot]

date in the void

holy shit what's with joker's posture

just like me fr

[faint plinth]

Joker's posture and expression look especially funny when you map them onto other character models... then you realize that these levels of slouching and resting-bitchface are unparalleled 😆

[ocean acorn]

can i interest you in https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1424140027641860176

[solemn zealot]

yeah but i wanna do my own

[ocean acorn]

i dont rly see why though

[solemn zealot]

my vision? i am changing more in the story yknow

[ocean acorn]

also i also want to want to make new backstory scene tbh and my monkey brain has somehow convinced itself that "wow! two cakes!" doesnt apply to mods

[faint plinth]

Getting custom script paths to actually work Not merged yet, but... progress....

[solemn zealot]

i read "That was the first time I'd ever had to deal with a baker."

[faint plinth]

Truly a terrifying prospect....

[solemn zealot]

this is... a start

[rocky kelp]

joker sliding around is so funny

[faint plinth]

Nyoom....

[jolly epoch]

I'm tempted to make a GUI tool that can read an EVT and scramble its msg calls

And then use it for a few events lol

[jolly epoch]

actually

if it'd just be used for my mod, maybe I could find some way to scramble the calls of specific events each time they're loaded

scrambling text can lead to pretty goofy results, that's more or less why

[solemn zealot]

@faint plinth it's uh... not detecting the files.

[jolly epoch]

doesn't it expect the proper directories even in the working folder?

[solemn zealot]

the thing is that they were also originally in their bf and bmd, but this saves to femulator and zeroes the original file. the problem is that it is somehow not retrieving the files it saved

[jolly epoch]

also BF/BMD Emulator still doesn't work afaik

not for anything custom, at least

[jolly epoch]

this happens with events that have custom IDs

idk if there's other consequences to using BF/BMD Emulator for ones that do though

[solemn zealot]

it does work tho

its only the program that seems to not properly retrieve

[jolly epoch]

that's more BF/BMD Emulator than EVTUI

like it'll work in game if the stuff exists

but EVTUI has a hard time recognizing it

I think the issue is in the dummy files

it'll prioritize the BMD/BF in your mod directory and find that it's blank so it can't read it

could be more complicated than that if ajda hasn't fixed it yet though

[faint plinth]

It's specifically an issue with EVTUI's ability to handle BMD/BF emu structure, yeah. I assume you have a custom-named CPK folder -- i.e., it's not called EN.CPK. That's fine for the actual game, but I'm currently working to patch up some holes in the editor's ability to pick up on all that.

If you literally just rename the CPK-level directory to EN.CPK, I'd expect it to work. (Although I'd like for you not to have to do that in the near future.)

[solemn zealot]

they are both in EN.CPK actually

ecs and evt in base.cpk

[faint plinth]

Oh, hm. What's the full path?

There are a few other path-related issues that can come up, such as lowercase in the path. (Also to be fixed.)

[solemn zealot]

Root\ModName\CPK\EN.CPK

[faint plinth]

Hmmm, yeah, that should work....

[solemn zealot]

it does work for reading when the file has stuff inside it. its only after saving and the program moving that to femulator that it just thinks there is no bmd or bf

[solemn zealot]

saving and reloading it again. if you stay in the thing it will continue as normal

[faint plinth]

Oh -- do you have the project set to use BMD emu?

[solemn zealot]

nope

[faint plinth]

Right now it's determined at a project level. So that'd be it.

(Probably.)

[solemn zealot]

what is bmd emu...?

oh no i do have

FEmulator right?

[faint plinth]

Right, but the EVTUI project needs to have it set to use it.

Also something that needs smoothing out....

[faint plinth]

Probably I should just have it on by default.

No, within EVTUI.

Your mod is fine for the game. This is an editor-specific thing.

If you check the EVTUI folder within your appdata, the UserCache shows settings for each project. That's currently the only way to turn on BMD emulation -- again, just for the editor.

[faint plinth]

Hm, yeah, that would be the place...... well...

I can't check now, but if you want to toss over the zipped mod files, I can take a look later to see what the issue is.

[solemn zealot]

just to make sure we are on the same page. this is when i first open the file(same thing for bf)

after clicking save all

after closing and opening the file again

it is sent here. (femulator/bf) (same for bmd in /bmd)and so far no other script had an issue reading this

its only this custom one

[faint plinth]

Ah. If this is a new event, I see how that would happen.

Another hole in BMD/BF emulation handling.

I will make a note of that in the pinned post I'm slowly working through.

All of these various issues come from clumsy handling of the dummy file, basically.

Whether it needs to be an exact CPK directory match, or gets skipped because it's a new event and there's no equivalent in the vanilla files... it all comes down to that.

[solemn zealot]

this is manageable for now at least. you can keep saving and editing with the thing open even after the file itself was 0'ed out. idk if it is properly locating the files just on that session and then not in another one, thinking the dummy is all there is

[faint plinth]

It's just working from the copy in memory if you're within the same session, so indeed, it won't hit the issue until you close and try to reload.

[solemn zealot]

uh... what do i do here for the event to properly end and me go back to the same place?

[faint plinth]

What's happening in the video, here?

[solemn zealot]

the event is being called. it is empty for now. then it ends and.... well, it stays on that black screen

[faint plinth]

Hmmmm....

Does it need a Fd__ at the end?

[solemn zealot]

without a fade it ends up in a black screen regardless once it ends

[faint plinth]

...does it need a fadeout in the script after the call?

[solemn zealot]

oh that hopefully this is all of it

nothing. i think it's just not properly ending?

[faint plinth]

Weird. Should probably unearth some events that are similarly situated within a Palace.

[solemn zealot]

the bf. could be it?

[faint plinth]

I wouldn't expect any issues from procedures that don't get called.

[solemn zealot]

this is for the event where they enter their first safe room

okay it was just missing call field

[faint plinth]

...I was just gonna share that, lol. Based on another example where that's necessary:

[solemn zealot]

now to find out how this works

[faint plinth]

LOL... possibly need to mess with the third number a bit?

[solemn zealot]

well, good thing the mod menu has this exact function i can keep magic-numbering over until i find it

okay that's just the entrance id and anything higher than 1 that teleports you— wait dont i just need to set my coordinates after? oh

my brain is soup by now

[solemn zealot]

so... by the looks of it, when you have an 'event' in the middle of a field, it is handled through flowscript

when an event moves you to another map, or to one of the entrances of a map, its an evt that calls the field again and has to set the entrance...?

why did they make call_field so effing limited?!

oh well. i'll work around that. i just have to set the disaster shadow tutorial for somewhere else

[solemn zealot]

THE SKELETON IS DONE

i wanna sleep now...

this will be hell to finish

[faint plinth]

Looks dope, though

[solemn zealot]

thanks but i hate myself for doing this

[faint plinth]

That's modding, babeyyy

[solemn zealot]

oh no. calling the field from here already lowers the bars visually. there should be something i can toggle to keep them raised tho no biggie

[rocky kelp]

is this just a fun extra boss or is there a reason for the hecate fight?

[solemn zealot]

there is

[solemn zealot]

that wont be needed, i finally found out how to set the player position

[solemn zealot]

i cant for the life of me get the map to disappear in the event

would there be a good way to get a list of every object in the event?

[faint plinth]

Can you show an in-game screenshot of what you mean?

Oh, the item on the shelves.

[solemn zealot]

yeah, the map you get

i was gonna run something in the script to get anything up to 9999 id

puts on console

[faint plinth]

At the moment I don't fully know what those indices/IDs are coming from, unfortunately..... Is there anything about it in the FHIT script?

[solemn zealot]

its what i showed. those are the models that hide and appear

but apparently the event doesnt think so?

[faint plinth]

I swear I've seen numbers larger than 9999 there, unless that's the limit on the number input.

[solemn zealot]

99999 then

[faint plinth]

I see, I see... hmmm....

It could just be that I've documented that command wrong 🥲 That one is mostly conjecture. But I was relatively sure

If you switch it to Show, that doesn't do anything, does it?

[solemn zealot]

im gonna see

[faint plinth]

The alternative is to run a script procedure at that frame using the flow commands you know to work, which I would recommend over brute-forcing the ID 😅

[solemn zealot]

oops this crashed

[solemn zealot]

LMAO

it's inverted

[faint plinth]

LMAO, let's fucking gooo.

Listen, at least that's a simple solution 😆

[solemn zealot]

would it be possible to eventually add a way to retrieve the objects in that field?

[faint plinth]

I don't know where that information lives 🥺

If you have any idea, then yeah, absolutely.

[solemn zealot]

found this in 151_004.OBL in FIELD/OBJECT

looks promising

these are both the medal and map objects numbers

doesnt seem to do anything

[balmy basalt]

My last attempt to understand OBLs apparently, lol:

ajda

A bit late to chime in, but I happened to also be looking at OBLs recently, and yeah, they're pretty much just special FTDs. My current best attempt at parsing:

Jump

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#Need help knowing how to look at .OBL files

[solemn zealot]

i'd actually seen that when searching for something else funnily enough

the things is that no matter what i change, the objects dont seem to change at all

even going nuclear and zeroing everything doesnt seem to affect the game or the objects in any way

[faint plinth]

Lol???

OBLs unused

[silent flame]

nuh uhhh

it controls glowing objects iirc

with thieves eye

[faint plinth]

Ah-ha!

[solemn zealot]

oooh is that what it is

[faint plinth]

That's good to know, thank you 🙏

[silent flame]

but they basically don’t do anything bc it’s handled by an mat anim iirc

[solemn zealot]

[faint plinth]

There's that Atlus Moment I was waiting for, lmfao.

[solemn zealot]

sigh... not in the fbn either

there are other objects in the fbn tho

[faint plinth]

I think it may just be in the field model somewhere, honestly

[solemn zealot]

i uh... i dont think this is what im looking for

[faint plinth]

Looks like a map to me 😆

[jolly epoch]

.MAP in 010 editor tells you what models a field uses in the metaverse

They're stored in FIELD_TEX itself, not OBJECT

And the .map file is in field/map

Ah I scrolled up

Hmm

What are you looking for exactly?

Props are usually in the GFS file anyway

[solemn zealot]

well, these def look like a map and a medal

[solemn zealot]

somewhere you can get the RESHND of the field's objects

[jolly epoch]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The field loads files that aren't in the unpacked folder

So they're probably in a .pac or .bin somewhere

[jolly epoch]

Some of them come from the data folder, so they probably do contain handles

[solemn zealot]

yeah the data fbn does have some

[jolly epoch]

Yeah but I assume encounter data could be stored in one of those too

I just need to find the right pac

[faint plinth]

For the life of me, I do not know where RESHND for these kinds of field objects is actually defined in the first place. Referenced, plenty, but defined......

Even looking in the field GFS, I see resInd on some nodes, but it doesn't look like the values I'd expect....

I think MODEL/FIELD_TEX/F251_004_0.GFS is the field in question...? In which case, I don't see the handles you've been working with defined anywhere.

[solemn zealot]

looking at the model, no. that's the roof of the castle

[faint plinth]

Hmmm....

[solemn zealot]

it is the floor with the creepy shiho room

the id of the field itself is 151_004

[faint plinth]

That should map to that GFS, as far as I know....

[solemn zealot]

okay its quite hard to zoom into this so i cant tell exactly if the room is here

scroll wheel goes just a few inches its awful

[faint plinth]

Oh god

Seems like it could be somewhere in there, though.

[solemn zealot]

found the shift scroll to make it faster

and no... thats only the roof area

[amber moth]

Y'know. Why don't you just have the event and fight before you pick up the map? So then you don't have to waste time finding the map.

[solemn zealot]

i have the field already. its mostly to find out where the ids of the object within it are located

[amber moth]

couldn't you just look at the map event and then delete stuff until you find what you're looking for?

[solemn zealot]

i already found out tho. this is to easily find out for any future cases

[amber moth]

im so confused

[faint plinth]

Well, if we don't actually know which field GFS it's loading... then I'm stumped. We should really know that by turning on logging or something.

[solemn zealot]

logging?

[amber moth]

what event is it?

[solemn zealot]

what the hell am i looing at

[amber moth]

battle field

[faint plinth]

Because if it's not 251_004, then it turns out I don't actually know how field models are derived from the IDs....

[solemn zealot]

it's F051_041_0.GFS

[faint plinth]

..........how on earth 😭

(How on earth is it getting that from those IDs..............)

[solemn zealot]

no mistaking it

[solemn zealot]

i mean, it has 51 and 4 in common

[faint plinth]

151, 4 => 051, 41

[amber moth]

what is the event id? I can try deciphering it?

[faint plinth]

It's a custom event.

[amber moth]

well it's based off of the map event

[solemn zealot]

nah. it's based off of ann's rank 2 event lol. i successfuly made it an event of this map already

[jolly epoch]

.MAP tells the field what GFS files to load

it's not math

[amber moth]

okay then what is the id of the map event

;-;

[jolly epoch]

plus some .MAPs load multiple GFS models

idk why they named it the way they did, but if you want to figure out which GFS models go to which map

you have to examine the .MAP files

[solemn zealot]

00 00 00 02 00 01 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 33 00 29 3C 34 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 33 00 28
3C 3C 00 00 00 00 00 00

the entire map file

[faint plinth]

Yeahhh, I couldn't find it in there.

[solemn zealot]

51 = 33 in hex

[faint plinth]

Oh, wait, I see...

[solemn zealot]

51 41

29 is 41

[faint plinth]

I SEEEEEE....

[solemn zealot]

its easier to see when you have the numbers already

[faint plinth]

I was looking in there for the RESHND numbers, but it's the actual field model IDs 🤯

OK, we're getting somewhere, lmfao.

Whyyy is it so complicated to load a dungeon field

[jolly epoch]

there's a template for .MAP

it can read the data

trust me I've literally spent hours on this and it's been consistent

[solemn zealot]

where is the map

[jolly epoch]

the .map bt file I use doesn't always work though, but it works for most of the map files

however

idk what the heck the purpose of .MAP is

since only the palace ones are actually available in that folder

[faint plinth]

Some of them have swapped endianness and other shenanigans happening.

[jolly epoch]

oh yeah I took a screenshot of the bt template yesterday

[faint plinth]

So, okay, yeah. Non-Palace fields just work like fucking normal. But apparently Palace fields need .MAP to tell you the actual files to load....

[faint plinth]

I have also seen the template, yes.

I did not realize it was actually referring to GFS files, though.

[jolly epoch]

the template tells you though

[faint plinth]

I mean swapped endianness that breaks the template.

Not what the template already handles.

But anyway, it says major and minor ID, but I didn't realize what for.

Many things have those, including objects.

[jolly epoch]

hang on does that mean I can make a second template that just swaps these endian funcs and it'd work properly?

for the ones that are flipped

[faint plinth]

Probably would take more than that to get it to work for the weird files, tbh.

I haven't cracked them yet. I think they have a slightly different field count.

But give it a go 🤷

[jolly epoch]

well let me try with one that broke yesterday

I was still able to figure out what GFS file it used since there was only one