EVTUI (Visual event editing tool) | Persona Modding | Page 2

faint plinth Feb 3, 2025, 9:50 PM

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(And I need to add an in-tool way of handling config versioning issues like that....)

ocean acorn Feb 3, 2025, 9:53 PM

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ive only tried with latest, id just forked it that day

faint plinth Feb 3, 2025, 9:54 PM

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Weird! I'll have to check why else that might end up being null.

ocean acorn Feb 3, 2025, 10:01 PM

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i should note, when trying to pick a mod directory for new project, picking one thats already in use obviously isnt allowed but still lets me open existing project without crash (any project, not just the one i tried to use)

amber moth Feb 3, 2025, 10:05 PM

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Like it lets you create a new project with the same directory as another one already in use?

ocean acorn Feb 3, 2025, 10:06 PM

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no

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if i pick a directory thats already in use it wont let me, but i can back out and load existing project without issue after
as opposed to crash if i go straight to opening existing project

amber moth Feb 3, 2025, 10:07 PM

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Yeah that's normal. Works for me too.

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oh you mean in relation to your crashing issue I see.

faint plinth Feb 3, 2025, 10:08 PM

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Very weird that it crashes if you don't do that naohmm

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Hmmmmm.

amber moth Feb 3, 2025, 10:09 PM

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if you want I could give you my version of EVTUI and see if it works?

ocean acorn Feb 3, 2025, 10:10 PM

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your version as in one you built (for win)?

amber moth Feb 3, 2025, 10:10 PM

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yeah.

ocean acorn Feb 3, 2025, 10:10 PM

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ok

amber moth Feb 3, 2025, 10:12 PM

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oh cool it's under the mb limit. This hopefully should be it. Just put it inside your user folder like when you build it.

📎 EVTUI.rar

faint plinth Feb 3, 2025, 10:15 PM

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Goddamn, this server allows big attachments.

amber moth Feb 3, 2025, 10:15 PM

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I think thats nitro actually. I got it because 100 mb wasn't enough for redux and the free boosts were nice.

ocean acorn Feb 3, 2025, 10:16 PM

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amber moth oh cool it's under the mb limit. This hopefully should be it. Just put it inside...

same behavior

amber moth Feb 3, 2025, 10:16 PM

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interesting

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how exactly did you run it?

faint plinth Feb 3, 2025, 10:16 PM

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hmm

amber moth Feb 3, 2025, 10:16 PM

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just to cover bases

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if you want to try. I did build an exe for it. should be in EVTUI\src\gui\bin\Debug\net8.0\win-x64.

ocean acorn Feb 3, 2025, 10:21 PM

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amber moth how exactly did you run it?

i extracted to the folder i normally put tools in, then just double clicked the exe

faint plinth Feb 3, 2025, 10:22 PM

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Can you sent the EVTUI user config yaml from appdata? If nothing's wrong there, I wonder if it's a permissions issue somehow.

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...or just something weird with how C# is referencing the appdata directory on your machine.

ocean acorn Feb 3, 2025, 10:30 PM

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this one?

📎 UserCache.yaml

faint plinth Feb 3, 2025, 10:31 PM

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That's the one! Looks fine, though....

faint plinth Feb 4, 2025, 1:41 AM

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OK, so when you get this second failure... do you have modded files for the scripts (BMD/BF/msg/flow) of E495_040? And if so, what's the path to those modded files?

ocean acorn Feb 4, 2025, 1:42 AM

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i cant reproduce it

faint plinth Feb 4, 2025, 1:42 AM

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🥲

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So it just works now...?

ocean acorn Feb 4, 2025, 1:42 AM

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yea

faint plinth Feb 4, 2025, 1:43 AM

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Oh yes but oh no....

ocean acorn Feb 4, 2025, 1:43 AM

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ive not actually edited the event it just happened one time and idr why

faint plinth Feb 4, 2025, 1:45 AM

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Weeeird. Yeah, it's because there's a conditional in the code that doesn't have a catch-all else, so if the directory structure of the mod is in some way unexpected, you can end up with a null path... some eventual file IO changes should hopefully get rid of this nonsense even by chance 🤞

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(Or at least there should be a better error message at that point.)

ocean acorn Feb 4, 2025, 1:48 AM

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i could be misremembering what event it even was tbh
i have a copy of 491_010 in my will seed project folder, ill see what trying to load that does

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nope that loaded fine

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i did actually properly edit an event, it was the ohya doubt event i was looking at before and i changed the messages so the correct answer would...actually be correct
id already made a msg file without evtui that had the edits i needed and it still exported fine, though i ended up reverting the file since it had all messages instead of just changed ones

faint plinth Feb 4, 2025, 2:07 AM

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Oh, nice!

ocean acorn Feb 4, 2025, 2:14 AM

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also it occurs to me that it created an en.cpk folder and exported the dummy file to that, instead of the XtoDoubt folder i was using, although thats not a big deal its just funny

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(i like to use funny or witty cpk names just because i can, though for the will seed cutscene mod i was thinking of splitting it into different folders for each ruler)

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(maybe not though if the inconvenience of having to change folders a bunch outweighs it)

faint plinth Feb 4, 2025, 2:45 AM

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That's definitely part of the file IO changes I want to do -- it'd be nice to customize CPK folder names, to be able to edit files in multiple CPK folders for a given project if you have them, etc.

ocean acorn Feb 8, 2025, 4:39 AM

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i went and made another project again, using my existing rematch mod as the project folder (as for bosses that take two encounters i want to bridge them with little truncated versions of the scene that normally plays in between) and i had to do it twice because the first time crashed
i didnt do anything different except place a shortcut so idk what that was about

faint plinth Feb 14, 2025, 7:36 AM

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Well, finishing up the UI for the modeling commands is taking...... MUCH longer than I hoped. But it is almost there! Now with fancy color picker widgets and all.

amber moth Feb 14, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Looks awesome so far

faint plinth Feb 17, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Improvements to the preview widget are, uh... happening...? Hm.........

ocean acorn Feb 17, 2025, 6:52 AM

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NO! NOT THE T-POSE SHADOW JONKLER

faint plinth Feb 17, 2025, 6:53 AM

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It's too late... he got her pensivekechi

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 3:35 AM

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This will be fixed once Pherakki corrects the way additive (blend) animations are applied, but before that happens: some of my favorite ~~horror shows~~"face animations" to come out of GFDLib's current implementation femc

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Points to whoever can guess who the last image is supposed to be....

mellow gazelle Feb 20, 2025, 3:39 AM

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haruangry ?

weary pelican Feb 20, 2025, 3:39 AM

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What’s happening

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Futaba is the only normal one everything else are are idk what they are

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 3:42 AM

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Lol. Facial expressions are animated differently than body animations, and the code behind GFDStudio (also used here) doesn't implement it properly (yet). So instead of smiles and blinks and stuff, you get...... those.

mellow gazelle Feb 20, 2025, 3:44 AM

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faint plinth Points to whoever can guess who the last image is supposed to be....

https://tenor.com/view/sojiro-sakura-persona-5-sojiro-megaten-persona-let-me-explain-gif-841707265083276538

Tenor

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?

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 3:44 AM

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adachi_true

mellow gazelle Feb 20, 2025, 3:46 AM

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naocheer

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 9:13 AM

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The model commands... are merged at last naosmiley

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Remember when I thought I might try doing all the command implementations in one PR. Lol. Thank god I had the sense not to try to do that.

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Anyway... now CG can get in there and find stuff I inevitably missed or need to fix 😁

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Probably I'll start working on the camera commands next, so then we can actually get positioning/rotation into the previews.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 11:50 AM

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faint plinth Anyway... now CG can get in there and find stuff I inevitably missed or need to ...

https://tenor.com/view/atatürk-mustafa-kemal-atatürk-gif-20777999

Tenor

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it's time

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when you remove the number from a MSD_ idle animation. It brings up an error.

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Actually it seems to happen with every other editable one like this.

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I did get a bigger error to occur but I can't seem to figure out how to recreate it. Let me test more.

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I also randomly got a null reference that crashed EVTUI. But I did figure out how to get that bigger error let me record it.

   at Avalonia.Rendering.Composition.Compositor.RequestCompositionUpdate(Action action)
   at Avalonia.Rendering.Composition.CompositingRenderer.AddDirty(Visual visual)
   at Avalonia.Visual.InvalidateVisual()
   at Avalonia.Reactive.LightweightObservableBase`1.PublishNext(T value)
   at Avalonia.AvaloniaObject.RaisePropertyChanged[T](AvaloniaProperty`1 property, Optional`1 oldValue, BindingValue`1 newValue, BindingPriority priority, Boolean isEffectiveValue)
   at Avalonia.PropertyStore.EffectiveValue`1.SetAndRaiseCore(ValueStore owner, StyledProperty`1 property, T value, BindingPriority priority, Boolean isOverriddenCurrentValue, Boolean isCoercedDefaultValue)
   at Avalonia.PropertyStore.ValueStore.ReevaluateEffectiveValues(IValueEntry changedValueEntry)
   at Avalonia.Styling.StyleInstance.Avalonia.Styling.Activators.IStyleActivatorSink.OnNext(Boolean value)
   at Avalonia.Styling.Activators.StyleActivatorBase.ReevaluateIsActive()
   at Avalonia.Controls.Classes.NotifyChanged()
   at Avalonia.Input.InputElement.UpdatePseudoClasses(Nullable`1 isFocused, Nullable`1 isPointerOver)
   at Avalonia.Input.InputElement.OnPropertyChanged(AvaloniaPropertyChangedEventArgs change)
   at Avalonia.Controls.Control.OnPropertyChanged(AvaloniaPropertyChangedEventArgs change)
   at Avalonia.Controls.Button.OnPropertyChanged(AvaloniaPropertyChangedEventArgs change)
   at Avalonia.Animation.Animatable.OnPropertyChangedCore(AvaloniaPropertyChangedEventArgs change)
   at Avalonia.Input.InputElement.<>c.<.cctor>b__32_6(InputElement x, PointerEventArgs e)
   at Avalonia.Reactive.LightweightObservableBase`1.PublishNext(T value)
   at Avalonia.Interactivity.EventRoute.RaiseEventImpl(RoutedEventArgs e)
   at Avalonia.Interactivity.Interactive.RaiseEvent(RoutedEventArgs e)
   at Avalonia.Input.PointerOverPreProcessor.SetPointerOverToElement(IPointer pointer, IInputRoot root, IInputElement element, UInt64 timestamp, Point position, PointerPointProperties properties, KeyModifiers inputModifiers)
   at Avalonia.Input.PointerOverPreProcessor.OnNext(RawInputEventArgs value)
   at Avalonia.Reactive.LightweightObservableBase`1.PublishNext(T value)
   at Avalonia.Controls.TopLevel.HandleInput(RawInputEventArgs e)
   at Avalonia.Win32.WindowImpl.AppWndProc(IntPtr hWnd, UInt32 msg, IntPtr wParam, IntPtr lParam)
   at Avalonia.Win32.PopupImpl.WndProc(IntPtr hWnd, UInt32 msg, IntPtr wParam, IntPtr lParam)
   at Avalonia.Win32.Interop.UnmanagedMethods.DispatchMessage(MSG& lpmsg)
   at Avalonia.Win32.Win32DispatcherImpl.RunLoop(CancellationToken cancellationToken)
   at Avalonia.Threading.DispatcherFrame.Run(IControlledDispatcherImpl impl)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrame(DispatcherFrame frame)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.MainLoop(CancellationToken cancellationToken)
   at Avalonia.Controls.ApplicationLifetimes.ClassicDesktopStyleApplicationLifetime.Start(String[] args)
   at Avalonia.ClassicDesktopStyleApplicationLifetimeExtensions.StartWithClassicDesktopLifetime(AppBuilder builder, String[] args, Action`1 lifetimeBuilder)
   at EVTUI.Program.Main(String[] args) in C:\Users\Freeman Cavarretta\EVTUI\src\gui\Program.cs:line 21
Segmentation fault```

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Yeah, was able to reproduce it now. It seems to only happen in the previews. You have to highlight the number then change it using the arrows.

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MAA_ previews don't seem to have the error so you could look at those to see what the issue is.

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Also I'm not sure if he's been added yet but it looks like joker can't be previewed at all.

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also just noticed in the git console. idk if it means invalid as in the model doesn't have it. Or the opposite. But good to write down otherwise.

h_C_US1```

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Another one if it is actually wrong.

h_B_MZ1```

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 1:59 PM

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amber moth Also I'm not sure if he's been added yet but it looks like joker can't be previe...

Maybe it was just a small bug? Hmm

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got a crash, here's the git error while I go recreate it.

   at OpenTK.Graphics.OpenGL.GL.DrawElements(OpenTK.Graphics.OpenGL.PrimitiveType, Int32, OpenTK.Graphics.OpenGL.DrawElementsType, Int32)
   at GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLVertexArray.Draw()
   at GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLMesh.Draw(OpenTK.Mathematics.Matrix4, GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLShaderProgram)
   at GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLModel.Draw(GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLShaderProgram, OpenTK.Mathematics.Matrix4 ByRef, OpenTK.Mathematics.Matrix4 ByRef, Double, GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLCamera)
   at GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLModel.Draw(GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLShaderProgram, GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLCamera, Double)
   at EVTUI.SceneModel.Draw(GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLShaderProgram, GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLCamera, Double)
   at EVTUI.SceneModel.Draw(GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLShaderProgram, GFDLibrary.Rendering.OpenGL.GLCamera)
   at EVTUI.ViewModels.GFDRenderingPanelViewModel.DrawScene()
   at EVTUI.Views.GFDRenderingPanel.OnOpenGlRender(Avalonia.OpenGL.GlInterface, Int32)
   at Avalonia.OpenGL.Controls.OpenGlControlBase.Update()
   at Avalonia.Rendering.Composition.Compositor.CommitCore()
   at Avalonia.Rendering.Composition.Compositor.Commit()
   at Avalonia.Media.MediaContext.CommitCompositorsWithThrottling()
   at Avalonia.Media.MediaContext.RenderCore()
   at Avalonia.Media.MediaContext.Render()
   at Avalonia.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeCore()
   at Avalonia.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Execute()
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.ExecuteJob(Avalonia.Threading.DispatcherOperation)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.ExecuteJobsCore(Boolean)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.Signaled()
   at Avalonia.Win32.Win32Platform.WndProc(IntPtr, UInt32, IntPtr, IntPtr)
   at Avalonia.Win32.Interop.UnmanagedMethods.DispatchMessage(MSG ByRef)
   at Avalonia.Win32.Interop.UnmanagedMethods.DispatchMessage(MSG ByRef)
   at Avalonia.Win32.Win32DispatcherImpl.RunLoop(System.Threading.CancellationToken)
   at Avalonia.Threading.DispatcherFrame.Run(Avalonia.Threading.IControlledDispatcherImpl)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrame(Avalonia.Threading.DispatcherFrame)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.MainLoop(System.Threading.CancellationToken)
   at Avalonia.Controls.ApplicationLifetimes.ClassicDesktopStyleApplicationLifetime.Start(System.String[])
   at Avalonia.ClassicDesktopStyleApplicationLifetimeExtensions.StartWithClassicDesktopLifetime(Avalonia.AppBuilder, System.String[], System.Action`1<Avalonia.Controls.ApplicationLifetimes.IClassicDesktopStyleApplicationLifetime>)
   at EVTUI.Program.Main(System.String[])
Segmentation fault```

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amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 4:17 PM

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For the MLa_ (head motion) the UNKOWN option seems to make characters have this frantic look around. You can see it on ryuji and joker but it happens pretty quick after the recording starts (don't worry about yusuke).

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 4:19 PM

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Oh god, all the segfaults 😅

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Fortunately most of these seem to be a similar issue, except Joker not showing up for you, which is weird. He shows up fine for me 🤔

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 4:21 PM

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He showed up a bit after that message. It was after I switched projects atleast.

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I'll see if I can recreate it later. Gonna try out all of the speeds on this unkown

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 4:40 PM

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Still weird, but asset management still needs work -- including being able to see modded models and not just vanilla ones.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 4:41 PM

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Very true.

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Also, it seems newly added versions of the MLa_ with this specific UNKOWN lookat breaks. Not exactly sure why.

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 4:44 PM

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Hmmmm. I wonder if it's a command version thing....

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But it works if you just change it on an existing MLa_?

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 4:45 PM

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oh I see just it being new causes it to break I think. Let me test with more of them.

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Is direct supposed to be faster or is it supposed to be slower?

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faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 4:48 PM

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Direct is supposed to snap directly to the new position without animating the in-between, I think.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 4:49 PM

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It might be better to put direct under fast then. Since it would be faster than fast.

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And yeah, it looks like new commands are broken.

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 4:50 PM

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Yeah, that's the order in the enum (direct = 0, slow = 1, etc.), but I should be able to rearrange it.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 4:50 PM

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What an odd order

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 4:52 PM

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Hmmmmm, I wonder what's different about the new ones other than command version 🤔 That might be it, anyway. I just leave it at default 0 but I should probably... not do that.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 4:53 PM

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i'll try other commands along with seeing if maybe just copying the command will work.

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 4:53 PM

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Good idea!

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 4:58 PM

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Yeah it's new command only. Along with that a new MSD_ command worked (ann in the back). But i'll check more.

weary pelican Feb 20, 2025, 4:59 PM

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Something feels off

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Can’t put my finger on it

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 5:00 PM

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so true

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I got this error saving while p5 was still opened, probably just change it to a "You can't save while the game is running dummy"

weary pelican Feb 20, 2025, 5:02 PM

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Imagine that happening

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 5:03 PM

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A new MLc_ command works.

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New MAt_ commands might not work. Needs more testing.

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nvm

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something looks different about ryuji's face

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 5:12 PM

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So, so far it's only new MLa_ commands that don't work?

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 5:13 PM

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I think so. Off the top of your head what are some new ones that I haven't checked?

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 5:18 PM

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I mean, plenty 😅 I'm curious about movement and rotation, but those don't really have good previewing yet.

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MFts isn't that important but could be fun to play with. In a different scene where they're actually walking, though.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 5:18 PM

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I will try all of them right now salute

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 5:24 PM

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amber moth For the MLa_ (head motion) the UNKOWN option seems to make characters have this ...

Any other things you noticed about this look-around effect? It seems like an extra simplified version of the MLw_ command.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 5:26 PM

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It does interact with the speed, was gonna show that but then got caught up with the command being broken.

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 5:26 PM

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Gotcha.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 5:27 PM

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I think thats it otherwise. I also don't think the unknown bool on the lookat does anything. Though I didn't test it specifically.

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so regular animations can still play even though it's attached.

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new versions of MAt_ work btw.

weary pelican Feb 20, 2025, 5:45 PM

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Looks normal to me

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 5:51 PM

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amber moth so regular animations can still play even though it's attached.

Makes sense, but then I wonder why MAAB needs to exist 🤔

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 5:51 PM

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might be a morgana specific thing. But i'll try and see if kasumi can take MAAB

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Also, I don't know if this is comfirmation bias. But I think the unkown in MAt_ makes it attach faster.

weary pelican Feb 20, 2025, 5:54 PM

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amber moth so regular animations can still play even though it's attached.

It’s missing Akage

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 5:54 PM

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so I got another error on MAAB

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wait huh

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So I added a new MAAB, first the previews didn't work. Then after pressing the up arrow for the animatuon ID it gave an error. But now both the up arrow and the previews work.

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this must be why before the previews for joker didn't work

weary pelican Feb 20, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Would’ve been easier with Akage

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 6:02 PM

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I was able to reproduce it. Now I have to record it.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 6:05 PM

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amber moth Yeah, was able to reproduce it now. It seems to only happen in the previews. You...

oh I see, it is just this bug. But in a different way

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but here it is anyways

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 6:10 PM

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Yeah, I definitely need to patch up this null issue, lol. I have no idea why it doesn't show up for me....

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 6:10 PM

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might be windows only

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 6:11 PM

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But also, if you're pointing to asset 1, that's probably going to be the field model, which definitely won't work yet.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 6:12 PM

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number 2 is actually the field🤓

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 6:12 PM

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Joker is basically always 3. I think 1 is AltField...?

fossil kettle Feb 20, 2025, 6:14 PM

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faint plinth Still weird, but asset management still needs work -- including being able to se...

slipping in a mod.cpk with the modded models/anims into your cpk directory let's you see them so it might be a good workaround for now

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 6:14 PM

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LOL, yeah, that's a good workaround.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 6:16 PM

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Can you switch the models of asset IDs yet?

faint plinth Feb 20, 2025, 6:17 PM

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Not yet! I'm currently working on a PR to add an Assets tab to let you do that.

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And to add new assets, etc.

amber moth Feb 20, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Right, I did see a new one there besides main (which totally didn't confuse me for a sec)

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:11 AM

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amber moth Also, it seems newly added versions of the MLa_ with this specific UNKOWN lookat...

So when you say that new MLa_ commands break, how do you mean? Do they crash the game, or just not show up?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:15 AM

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Essentially, it'll do what joker is doing. It's an old video so don't worry about the dialogue. But every lookat option does the same thing just with a different direction according to what it does.

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Also sorry, I had other stuff to do. So I couldn't test as much. I'll get back to it for a couple hours then continue tomorrow.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:17 AM

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All good! I've been at work all day, anyway, and you've already been a big help.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:17 AM

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That just means I need to be a big big help.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:23 AM

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amber moth Essentially, it'll do what joker is doing. It's an old video so don't worry abou...

I see... that's for the UNKNOWN option that should probably be renamed to Look-Around? I wonder if it's because the coordinates are all set to zero.... I've hid the coordinates for Look-At in a lot of cases, but maybe they're necessary even when it's just a nodding or looking-around motion.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Could be worth looking into.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:24 AM

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It'd be easy enough to just not hide them anymore, but you could also edit them when they're visible and then set the other options to something else that hides them, and they'd still apply. Just to see if it does anything.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:25 AM

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you could do a quick and dirty process to get them in EVTUI and I could test it?

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:25 AM

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They'll show up as editable if you pick Look-At and Coordinates as the motion and target types, respectively.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:26 AM

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oh i see

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:27 AM

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You could also try the Model target type and specify 101 as the helper ID to get the model to look at another model's right hand, as another example of stuff that currently gets hidden unless you've selected a certain setup.

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I've been debating whether to use the "helper" or "bone" nomenclature, since they're called helpers in the code, but I feel like people usually refer to them as bones... and maybe they're different things? I don't know enough about modeling for that 😅

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:30 AM

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I'm fairly sure they would be bones. But im not sure of it myself.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:31 AM

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The beta editor calls them helpers, and GFDLib code has gfdHelperID as the property name of the IDs 🤷 so I dunno.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:32 AM

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I think we need to kill atlus

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:32 AM

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Might just be the GFD terminology to call them helpers, or maybe helpers are another piece related to bones...?

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naotoshrug

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:35 AM

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Guess maybe if someone shows up in here that knows they can tell. But i'd say it's probably fine for now to call them helpers.

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in any case, just tested MAB_ seems to work correctly.

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MAI_ also works correctly.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:39 AM

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I love the chaos in these tests femc

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:40 AM

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I couldn't find morgana's ID in 5 seconds so I chose the next best person.

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MAIp works

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:45 AM

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Spoilers for ||Kasumi being dead|| 😱

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:46 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/ninja-any-haircut-recommendations-low-taper-fade-you-know-what-else-is-massive-gif-3708438262570242561

Tenor

weary pelican Feb 21, 2025, 2:46 AM

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I knew something was off

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:47 AM

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I don't know if MCSd works but MAtO does. Will test MCSd out more.

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Also this color picker is really cool, you did a good job ajda. FemcLove

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:50 AM

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I can't take credit for the color picker design, since it's out-of-the-box, but I'm glad you like it!

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:51 AM

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I can't believe you would lie ajda. You made this : )

golden willow Feb 21, 2025, 2:52 AM

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faint plinth Might just be the GFD terminology to call them helpers, or maybe helpers are ano...

helpers aren't really bones, they're a property that can be applied to nodes so game code can perform special actions with them

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(gfd has several built in functions to find helper nodes within a node hierarchy)

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:54 AM

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I see.... naotothink

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:56 AM

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Im trying out different options but im not sure if MCSd actually works. Granted this could be just because it's a new command. I'll keep trying it though.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 2:57 AM

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It gets used for ||Wakaba's third semester model|| a lot, so possibly you can find the events she's in and modify the MCSd commands for her model.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 2:57 AM

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I see, I shall look there then.

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accidentally put in a wrong event ID and got this error

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:05 AM

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Hm, there's supposed to be a specific message for the event not existing, so not sure why that's not getting used. But I get the above, too, now.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:08 AM

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faint plinth It gets used for ||Wakaba's third semester model|| a lot, so possibly you can fi...

Is there a specific event off of the top of your head? Been trying the events with her in them and can't seem to find the command.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:12 AM

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Wait, I'm lying, I was thinking of ML__....

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Naofacepalm

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:13 AM

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No see, it was all a 5d chess move. It wasn't lying.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:15 AM

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Okay, it does actually get used in E511_080 on Joker and Akechi's models, starting at frame 159.

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That is right after a Wakaba event in E511_070, so... NaotoFactual

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:16 AM

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As I said, 5d chess move.

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Seems as though after saving the event it can't find the akechi 3rd sem bustup and will hang infinitely.

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actually wait let me try something rq

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Bustups can apparently be dynamically loaded based on the date.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:24 AM

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Oh, yeah, that's true.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:24 AM

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that would be cool to implement into EVTUI. Models can have the same thing as well (one that comes to mind is the buffet event).

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:26 AM

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I do plan to add variables like that at some point.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:26 AM

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awesome

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I think the command worked. But I was too caught up with the bustups to actually record it.

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though the colors didn't make sense

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:30 AM

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I could have the RGBA order wrong.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:30 AM

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seems like it adds these little rings around the bottom of them.

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they don't do anything besides exist

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i'll try out the other unkown options

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:31 AM

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Ooh! I mean, that makes sense. It just changes the color of the shadows cast by the models.

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Was that the color you had in the editor?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:32 AM

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they looked different before but maybe I just wasn't looking correctly.

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the unknown #1 doesn't seem to do anything.

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one of them is 3 while the other is 1. And I don't see a difference.

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it's hard to tell but the last 2 unknowns definitely control how far the shadow goes.

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also finally turned back on the ui toggler

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Unknown #4 controls the inner circle and #5 controls the outer circle.

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for the colors. Unknown #3 seems to be in the inner one and #2 seems to be the outer circle.

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still not sure about unknown #1

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:43 AM

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What's the difference between #3 and #4...? (Or #2 and #5?)

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:44 AM

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2 and 3 are the colors and 4 and 5 are the diameters of the circles.

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unkown #1 does something with it's visibility.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:45 AM

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I see! Those look like the opposite colors of what's showing up 🤔

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:46 AM

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that might be what unkown #1 is for also. Let me see rq

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:48 AM

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amber moth it's hard to tell but the last 2 unknowns definitely control how far the shadow ...

akechi's is definitely different compared to this.

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let me try joker

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doesn't seem to have done anything.

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so for unknown #1 2 makes it invisible. 1 and 3 seem to do the same thing. You're seeing 1 rn

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:53 AM

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I switch between RGBA and ARGB in the editor, so clearly that's not correct here....

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:53 AM

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Really?

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 3:54 AM

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Well, it looks like red and green values are getting mixed up between the two. So that'd be consistent with it needing to be RGBA and me getting it mixed around.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:56 AM

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i see

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Oh yeah, so it's broken in a simlar way to the other one when it's made as a new command btw. It wasn't said before and I don't want the thought buried.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:03 AM

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Broken as in it doesn't do anything, or broken as in the colors are wrong?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:04 AM

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the former, like the other command (I guess except that it still 'works').

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MDt_ works

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I will test all of them tonight.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Can you sent your EVT with the MCSd edits? I'll see if I can work out the issue with the colors.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:07 AM

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📎 E511_080.ECS 📎 E511_080.EVT

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MFts works

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:11 AM

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YESSS.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:14 AM

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both Mlc_ and ML_ work

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:18 AM

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Is that pink color consistent with what you set in the editor?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:19 AM

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faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:19 AM

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LOL, nope....

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Definitely getting flipped somehow.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:22 AM

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I don't think MLw_ works. Joker should be looking around here. But he isn't.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:26 AM

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amber moth

Based on this, it looks like Joker's shadow is inverted while Akechi's is consistent with the editor. Does that seem consistent with what you've seen?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:26 AM

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MMD_ works but I gave him a walking anim. Maybe the idle overrides it?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:27 AM

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faint plinth Based on this, it looks like Joker's shadow is inverted while Akechi's is consis...

I was thinking it was inverted but changing the unkown 1 didn't seem to do anything besides making it invisible.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:28 AM

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Right, I just mean in terms of editor vs. when the shadow is displayed. Although Unknown #1 may also invert the opacity, i.e., make it basically invisible....

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But no, you have the same opacity for both, wh... femcmad

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:29 AM

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I've got nothing on that front.

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MRgs works

weary pelican Feb 21, 2025, 4:32 AM

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I think I saw a ghost ascending

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:32 AM

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MRot also works but I think I set the number too high

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MSSs works aswell on sumi

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:37 AM

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Hm, it might be easier for me to track the issues in a document so I don't lose track of them....

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Any chance you want to put your findings in a Google Doc? 😄

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:38 AM

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I will tomorrow

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:38 AM

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Perfect naothumbsup

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:39 AM

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final one on the list you sent here. MScl works

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are there any more you want me to test before I sleep?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:41 AM

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faint plinth I mean, plenty 😅 I'm curious about movement and rotation, but those don't reall...

I mean this list btw

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 4:45 AM

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You've given me lots of stuff to work with regardless, so go on to bed. And that list is comprehensive, so if you've covered that, we're good to go for now.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 4:45 AM

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awesome, I will go on to bed. Have a nice time femc

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 9:38 AM

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Okay, I thiiink I fixed the color mismatch issue. And possibly also the backspacing null reference issue. You can try building from the branch psy/model-commands-tweaks to see if the fixes make sense.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 10:42 AM

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I will try it out in a bit

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 12:51 PM

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trying it out now

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I keep forgetting to say. The /s on .\scripts\bootstrap_win.bat are inverted. I don't really know how to use github to change it.

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looks like the null reference was fixed. Trying out the color mismatch thing now

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the colors are now correct (joker is the example here). I will see if I can figure out what the unknown is now

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also for reference the unknown is on 1 currently. Trying 2 then 3

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2 is visibility. I assumed it'd be so but wanted to make sure.

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I'll put this in the google doc once im done btw

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yeah it really looks like it does nothing. Unless it requires something else? I have no idea.

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Anyways, google doc time

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 1:47 PM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSxmcbZyB_GEfoQry6Kly8MK7oRR8nquTQpytyy2ltw/edit?usp=sharing here is the doc. Every model command is set up with the new subtab things. It's pretty barebones otherwise. But it'll eventually inclue all of the new commands that are implemented and tested.

Google Docs

Event testing documentation

New Model Commands (2/20/25) MAABMAA_MAB_MAI_ MAIpMAtOMAt_MSCdMDtMFtsMlc_MLaMLd_MLw_MMD_MRgsMRotMSD_MSSsMScl

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if only I knew how to add videos without uploading them to youtube

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:21 PM

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forgot to say, the text box works now

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im almost done with documenting all of them.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 3:47 PM

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I missed testing MLw_ and it shows. Since I don't think it works when it's a new command.

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there we go, all of them have been documented and most are completely fine. Just a couple that need testing/fixing.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:20 PM

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amber moth https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSxmcbZyB_GEfoQry6Kly8MK7oRR8nquTQpytyy2ltw/...

🤩 Perfect! The formatting is great. This would be a good way to track per-command issues and discoveries in general. (Not sure how to eventually turn this info into public-facing documentation, since current stuff is geared toward EvtTool, but maybe in EVTUI-specific docs at some point....)

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So new MLa_ commands do work? And did you figure out anything with walking animations on MMD_?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:23 PM

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oh right, forgot about that whole thing

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Let me test MLa again. And I didn't do that much testing with MMD

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i'll test both of them

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:24 PM

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Might just be a matter of figuring out what each of the fields does. I'm not 100% sure how to get walking to work, either, since a lot of the walking "animations" are in fact just static poses.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:25 PM

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I wasn't really able to before due to having a bunch of other commands to document. But now I can look into it more.

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oh also, whats the 'model ID' supposed to be?

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:27 PM

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That's for specifying a model (and that model's helper) that you want the main model to look at. You can do that instead of specifying exact coordinates.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:27 PM

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faint plinth You could also try the `Model` target type and specify `101` as the helper ID to...

☝️

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:28 PM

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then that might not work currently. I need to make sure though

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:28 PM

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It's not used often, but I think it's in E511_310...? Seems like a command to get a character to look at their right hand, in that case.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:30 PM

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interesting, MLa does actually function now

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need to record it

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I wonder what made it bug last time?

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Weird....

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But it looks good!

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:34 PM

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i'll mess around with MMD now

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I just tried the MLa with the unknown bool and it seemed to actually change it.

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Let me record it again

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:36 PM

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Oh yeah, I also think ML__ is missing from the document.

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That seemed to work, other than the color stuff that's since been fixed.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:36 PM

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I don't think that was in the list iirc

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:37 PM

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It was, lol. But you did already test it, in any case.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:37 PM

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oh

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oh right

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the one on the left is with the bool on and the right is with the bool off.

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theres a bit of stutter with it on. Very interesting.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:47 PM

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Huh. It's definitely something, but not clear what it's supposed to be.

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Oh, for new MCSd commands that don't seem to work, what did you set the Unknown to?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:48 PM

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all 3. 1 and 3 seem to be the same and 2 turns it off

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:49 PM

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Hmmmm. Wonder why it doesn't work....

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:50 PM

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No idea honestly. Is it supposed to be 3 options or just 2?

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:51 PM

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It only ever appears as 0 and 3. I wonder if it's actually a bitfield for enabling/disabling the inner and outer circles, respectively....

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So 1 and 3 should have the inner circle enabled, while 2 and 3 should have the outer circle enabled. 0 being neither, and 3 being both.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:52 PM

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I technically never tried 0. Let me see what happens.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:52 PM

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I suspect nothing will show up, but we shall see.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:53 PM

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I suspect everything will show up

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im correct

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0 also makes it turn off

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 6:56 PM

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So it does turn off both inner and outer circles...? I think 2 is the biggest question -- whether that actually leaves the outer circle on. Might be hard to see.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 6:57 PM

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i'll retry them all right now

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this is 1

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this is 2

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this is 3

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:02 PM

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Well, that's definitely just fully invisible for 2...

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I still think it's a bitfield, but I have no idea what that second bit (the difference between 1 and 3) does naotothink

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Clearly the first bit is to show/hide the shadow, though.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:04 PM

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i'll try different colors

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:05 PM

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If we don't find anything, I'll just split it into Enable model shadow? and Unknown checkboxes.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:06 PM

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here's what it looks like at 99 diameter

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:08 PM

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Does 1 look any different for those colors+diameters?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:08 PM

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im trying it out now

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:09 PM

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Might also not be diameters but rather something like blur radius/strength....

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:09 PM

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no it definitely makes them bigger. Probably both

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this is it at 1

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:11 PM

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No difference... Unknown it is!

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:12 PM

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it truly is unknown

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i'll look at MMD now

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:13 PM

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MCSd still doesn't work as a new command, though? Just to be clear?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:13 PM

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nope

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MMDs that work don't even use the idle/moving animations

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let me recreate it rq

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this is what it looks like for reference

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:24 PM

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That probably means it uses the default settings for animations, then. So it's more about figuring out how to get the custom ones to work properly. (Maybe Enabled? should be Customize?)

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:24 PM

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Yeah, im curious if it's might be a MCSd situation aswell. Just recreatingit now

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It does have the unknown at 275 aswell.

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It's both diffrerent and has no walking anim recreated compared to the actual event version.

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recording it now

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left is recreated and right is from the event.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:36 PM

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Can you share full screenshots of what the UI inputs look like for both?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:38 PM

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first two are the event version and the last two are the recreated version

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:42 PM

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The only thing I can think of is it actually does use the stuff in the Moving and Idle animations, even when not "Enabled"....

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If you enable them all, does the info there match?

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I also could have that checkbox switched around, so it should actually say Enabled is true in those cases 🤔

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:46 PM

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oh yeah that seems to be the case

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left is event right is recreated

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:48 PM

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I see... so then yeah, either Enabled actually is something else (seems unlikely because that's direct from the beta editor) or I just have it flipped in the UI.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:50 PM

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left is enabled right is disabled

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you have it flipped from the looks

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:52 PM

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Cool, that should be an easy fix, at least.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:53 PM

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anything else you want me to test?

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:53 PM

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amber moth https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSxmcbZyB_GEfoQry6Kly8MK7oRR8nquTQpytyy2ltw/...

@sand smelt do you think you could pin this?

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so it doesn't get lost

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:54 PM

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Hmmmm... I think the only thing left is the mystery of new MCSd commands not working, right? Or was there anything with MLw_?

sand smelt Feb 21, 2025, 7:54 PM

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amber moth https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSxmcbZyB_GEfoQry6Kly8MK7oRR8nquTQpytyy2ltw/...

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:54 PM

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thank you femc

sand smelt Feb 21, 2025, 7:54 PM

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np, thanks for documenting all this stuff

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:54 PM

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it's no biggie. Im always glad to be of service

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:55 PM

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faint plinth Hmmmm... I think the only thing left is the mystery of new `MCSd` commands not w...

Seems like MLw works fine. Just the bool thing now for it.

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I wonder if thats actually why it seemed 'broken' when I first tested it?

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actually let me test it again on the original event

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:57 PM

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Could be. I wonder if it's like a "reset before looking around" thing....

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 7:58 PM

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oh right. If I exit a event in EVTUI while the game is still running. Then go into a new event I get this error

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 7:59 PM

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My try/catch doesn't cover that case, eh? Wonder why....

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 8:05 PM

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amber moth Seems like MLw works fine. Just the bool thing now for it.

oh right thats for MLa

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these names are confusing smh atlus

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still need to figure out why the model thing wont work for MLw

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wait no

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thats MLa

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;-;

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 8:07 PM

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lmao

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 8:07 PM

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ohhh right

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for some odd reason the couple times I tried MLw it wouldn't look around. I think, I need to look at it again

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how many commands are left for implementing into EVTUI? Just curious

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kinda wanna try out that free motion one

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 8:12 PM

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...many 😅

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I'm trying to prioritize the ones folks would be interested in, though, so I can try to get that one in soon.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 8:13 PM

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nah it's fine. Just was curious really. Shame that I can't help out.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 8:13 PM

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Beyond that, I also want to prioritize camera stuff so we can start previewing positioning and not just animations.

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It's unfortunately pretty complicated to link up the parsing and UI bits, yeah pensivekechi Not much for it, really. But finishing up the model commands means I've added a lot of convenience functions, so maybe it'll go faster from here 🤷

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 8:16 PM

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I believe in you ajda FemcLove And i'll be sure to test every step of the way.

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how tedious is it to commit on gh?

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you could potentially commit a command once you finish it. Rather than doing a whole chunk of them then releasing it? idk how viable that would be.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 8:39 PM

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It's not tedious or anything. I was grouping things more for organizational reasons, but if it makes sense to merge in even smaller chunks, we can do it that way.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 8:39 PM

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You don't have to. It was just a thought I had.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 8:44 PM

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I can also just keep the branch updated on the repo rather than just locally, so you can test the working branches.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 8:46 PM

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Could work

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 10:50 PM

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Giant shoeless Sumi is truly... something. I sure hope I don't live to regret what I've released into the world 😅

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 10:53 PM

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I can 1 up this rq

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 10:54 PM

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P5R but all the girls are 8ft tall dark

mellow gazelle Feb 21, 2025, 10:55 PM

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faint plinth Giant shoeless Sumi is truly... something. I sure hope I don't live to regret wh...

mrw i made character creator and people turned makoto into a femboy

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 10:56 PM

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faint plinth P5R but all the girls are 8ft tall <:dark:1170927971037610064>

good idea

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 11:02 PM

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mellow gazelle > mrw i made character creator and people turned makoto into a femboy <:femc:752...

Based....

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 11:16 PM

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faint plinth P5R but all the girls are 8ft tall <:dark:1170927971037610064>

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also interesting thing. This event played the original VAs lines for takemi. No idea why.

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 11:17 PM

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RIP....

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 11:18 PM

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he's not going to survive

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8ft sae this is true

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truly the perfect sae

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 11:25 PM

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amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 11:26 PM

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maybe tall joker is the answer

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better idea

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fossil kettle Feb 21, 2025, 11:32 PM

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Your power... mirrors my own...

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 11:36 PM

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I do wonder why they even made this command a thing? I guess maybe for certain scenes?

faint plinth Feb 21, 2025, 11:43 PM

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It's probably more for items than character models, but lmao. Too much power to give us.

amber moth Feb 21, 2025, 11:43 PM

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very true

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 5:44 AM

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Okie-doke, merged the fixes from before + the additional MCSd and MMD_ fixes discussed since naothumbsup I couldn't see anything obviously wrong with newly added MCSd commands, so we'll leave that up to future investigation, I guess.

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 6:12 AM

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Oh yeah, I think my only other big remaining question is what the difference is between MAAB and MAB_ when animating an attached object.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 9:59 AM

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I'll look into it in a couple hours.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 6:25 PM

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im getting into it now. Sorry for taking so long.

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MMD_ seems to work correctly now.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 6:57 PM

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opening the event with MCSds has them looking different even though I messed with both.

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Gonna see what happens with a new version of them

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these are the standard configurations of the original versions of them.

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 7:25 PM

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That all looks right to me.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 7:30 PM

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new MCSds work on this event specifically

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so then theres something in this event that makes it work

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 7:30 PM

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Might be the ENV.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 7:31 PM

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on the frame the MCSds appear there are some ENV commands

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so it could be that

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 7:34 PM

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Maybe it needs the EnLI...? I assume EnL0 is always set in the ENV, but maybe EnLI isn't 🤔 But I suppose it could be related to either one.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 7:35 PM

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let me see what happens if I delete them

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was not the ENV commands there.

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i'll see if theres any other ones before the command

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 7:40 PM

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Wow, is that what the laundromat usually looks like outside of third semester? I never noticed how extreme the saturation got there....

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 7:40 PM

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it does look really weird now

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but yeah, it's not the ENV commands

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 7:41 PM

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Hmmmmm. Weird!

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 7:45 PM

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i'll keep picking at this event to see what it is

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 8:37 PM

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are there any other events with MCSds in them?

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just trying to cross reference stuff

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 8:42 PM

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EVENT/E100/E180/E184_001.EVT: 1, 1, 307
EVENT/E100/E180/E186_001.EVT: 1, 1, 1
EVENT/E200/E220/E225_001.EVT: 1000, 1000, 1000, 1000
EVENT/E200/E240/E243_401.EVT: 1, 1, 1, 36, 170
EVENT/E400/E400/E409_040.EVT: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
EVENT/E400/E480/E482_020.EVT: 1, 1
EVENT/E500/E510/E511_080.EVT: 159, 159
EVENT/E500/E510/E511_230.EVT: 1
EVENT/E700/E700/E703_200.EVT: 1
EVENT/E700/E720/E722_042.EVT: 1, 1, 1027
EVENT/E700/E720/E722_200.EVT: 1

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Here are all the events that use it + the frames where you can find them.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 8:43 PM

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I see, I will check them out. Thank you femc

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Interesting how some of them get spawned in instantly.

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 8:50 PM

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That mostly makes sense. The event we've been looking at is a bit weird for having multiple different locations in the way it does.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 8:51 PM

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true

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not even the field command can stop the shadow

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could it be from any of these fields before stuff gets loaded in? Not sure if this was looked at in EVTUI.

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511_080 and 184_001 respectfully

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 9:08 PM

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It is in the new branch I'm working on, but there's nothing in there that should relate to this, no.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 9:09 PM

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Why do you think that? Just curious really since I'm kinda doubting it's any of these commands in EVTUI

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 9:10 PM

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The event we're looking at doesn't have anything unusual there, either in terms of ENV definition or in terms of any unknown booleans.

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Do you remember specific events where the command doesn't work?

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 9:11 PM

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481_010 doesn't work (it's the giant shoeless kasumi one)

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i'll try more events just to see.

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 9:14 PM

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That one does have an extra unknown boolean checked in the header, but that's the only big difference I can see.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 9:15 PM

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yeah the unknown bool is "never allow the MCSd command : )" iirc

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does not work on 275_001

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 9:16 PM

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faint plinth ``` EVENT/E100/E180/E184_001.EVT: 1, 1, 307 EVENT/E100/E180/E186_001.EVT: 1, 1, ...

is there really nothing connecting all of these events together?

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there has to be something specific that does it.

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Unless its something hardcoded which idk how that would work.

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 9:20 PM

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The one above doesn't have the thing checked in the header, so back to square one.

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The shadows there seem to be different than the ones in the laundromat.

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Like, the laundromat ones are just the circle things, while the above actually seem to be cast realistically from the model shapes.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 9:22 PM

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I forgot to screenshot it. But 521_021 also doesn't work.

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also yes I forgot about giant sae

weary pelican Feb 22, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Where’s giant Akage

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 9:23 PM

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in your mind

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 9:24 PM

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My uneducated guess is that somewhere in the actual .ENV file it defines what kind of shadows are cast, and only the lazy circle shadows count for this command 🤷

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 9:26 PM

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Maybe? Though that feels to constricting

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so I have good news

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750_011 let me add the MCSd. While it also has the realtime shadows.

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the 8ft tall valentines event

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also good news. 752_000 also works with a new MCSd.

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hmm, it seems like valentine/white day related events can use MCSd.

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this is 754_000 btw

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gonna try more valentines/white day events

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522_040. Definitely seems like they have something specfic in common with eachother. Which make sense, but should help in finding what makes it happen.

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also they translated this unused event almost. Which is cool

fossil kettle Feb 22, 2025, 11:34 PM

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is there a way to open up multiple events or evtui instances? i cant get evtui to open another instance if its already open and i'd like to look at another event as a reference while im working on a different event

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 11:35 PM

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I don't think so sadly. If you could start up another exe of it them maybe it could work.

fossil kettle Feb 22, 2025, 11:37 PM

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yeah i cant get another exe of it to start up, ive tried the release and debug versions as well as the x64/x86 ones

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 11:42 PM

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I just tried cloning a new one and even that doesn't work ;-;

fossil kettle Feb 22, 2025, 11:47 PM

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cri

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 11:53 PM

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Aha, yeah, there's specifically code to block multiple instances from opening... it's to make sure you can't break stuff by editing the same file in multiple places naosmiley

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I've thought about being able to use multiple events as reference, though, so I think that will be something worth implementing sooner or later.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 11:55 PM

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Maybe you could have it be that you can open multiple events, just not the one you're editing currently? So like you can't open 2 instances of 522_040. But you can open 522_040 and 754_000.

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 11:55 PM

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Yeah, I can think about how to make that happen 🤔

fossil kettle Feb 22, 2025, 11:56 PM

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Yeah it'd be nice if this window (or the project one) was accessible when an event is currently open

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If you want to be extra cautious you can have it only permit read only mode

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 11:57 PM

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It breaks some of the assumptions in the backend code, but it'd be nice to have.

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 11:57 PM

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i'd say only on a per project basis. Like only having 1 project open but multiple events open.

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cause idk why you'd need 2 projects open at once

fossil kettle Feb 22, 2025, 11:57 PM

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KotoneTrue

faint plinth Feb 22, 2025, 11:57 PM

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Comparing between mods, maybe....

amber moth Feb 22, 2025, 11:58 PM

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I mean I'd be down with either. Just that opening multiple projects might be more work for you to redo.

fossil kettle Feb 22, 2025, 11:59 PM

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^^

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 12:00 AM

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Eh, not really 😄 If I can think of a good way to allow multiple editor windows without breaking everything, it would all be equally doable at that point.

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I will ponder this....

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 12:00 AM

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also, did you see any correlation between the events for MCSd?

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I didn't try all of the valentines/white day events but they have to have the key to this. Since they all work with a new MCSd.

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i'll try them now actually

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 12:06 AM

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fossil kettle Yeah it'd be nice if this window (or the project one) was accessible when an eve...

Also, is it possible to make the main window move? It keeps getting stuck on my second monitor

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 12:07 AM

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SAME

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for now you can move it with windows key + arrow keys

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 12:08 AM

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wait you can? les go

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femc

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it has some sort of lighting property here. Very interesting.

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752_010 btw

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if the next one has it im convinced

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752_020

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 2:45 AM

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amber moth Also, is it possible to make the main window move? It keeps getting stuck on my ...

LOL, you mean that splash image/menu? I mean, I could probably add the border back in so you can drag it around like a normal window, but it wouldn't look as cool 😄

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There's probably a way to do it, though.

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 2:47 AM

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you could make it have a similar funcionality as windows key + arrows does.

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something more streamlined though

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 2:51 AM

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Do you just want to be able to drag it around in general?

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 2:52 AM

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I wouldn't really care either way. Just some way to move it between each monitor would be neat.

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cause it's just the menu that doesn't move, unlike the events. So it only really needs to stay centered on the monitor.

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 3:03 AM

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Yeah, there are keyboard shortcuts I use on Ubuntu for moving it between workspaces like that, so IDK what the equivalent here would be 🤔

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It should be possible to make the image in the middle drag the window around if you click it.

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 3:04 AM

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If it's possible then I don't see why not.

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unless it takes time to do of course.

weary pelican Feb 23, 2025, 5:56 AM

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faint plinth It should be possible to make the image in the middle drag the window around if ...

Ajda is there a list of what the commands do cuz I know MSD are models and MSCL are the sizing and I clearly know msg since I edited text a good amount of times but that’s it and I wanna know what each command do so it’d be easier for me to see what the thingy can do

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 6:57 AM

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weary pelican Ajda is there a list of what the commands do cuz I know MSD are models and MSCL ...

There's a page on Amicitia that gives an overview of the commands. The only issue is that it's based on EvtTool output, so specific fields mentioned there don't relate to what they're called in EVTUI. (And also much of the more specific info is incomplete / out of date.) But it's still a good reference, I think, if you just want to know which commands generally do what.

Amicitia Wiki

EVT

EVT is a binary event format used by Atlus in Persona 5. It is used to setup cameras, objects, animations, dialog and more in cutscenes where you can't control the character. In other circumstances where dialog is shown but you still briefly control the character, those scenes are likely using BF instead.

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 8:18 AM

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amber moth

All right, I've tried adding some of the windowing changes you (and Wisteria) wanted -- access to (+ draggability of) the main/splash menu at all times, ability to have multiple (unique) events open, etc. It's in the branch psy/more-flexible-windowing for now... since it's a pretty significant backend change, I'm going to ask that you test it from there for a bit to make sure stuff doesn't break horribly before I merge it into main 🙏

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(I haven't had time to check out the other events re: MCSd stuff yet, though.)

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 8:21 AM

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fossil kettle Yeah it'd be nice if this window (or the project one) was accessible when an eve...

☝️ So this and more should now be possible... and hopefully doesn't break anything....

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 8:21 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129833894666063905/1263715544457285634/twitter_1813587616924926132.gif

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i'll give it a test in a sec

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 8:22 AM

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I did some due diligence, but maybe keep extra copies of any modded events during initial testing, just in case 😅

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 8:55 AM

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no issues so far, it seems to work super nicely

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the only downside is you can't copy and paste things between two event editor windows but just being able to reference another event with the gui is really nice on its own

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also the assets tab disappeared for some reason

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also im not sure if this is related but the msgs are displaying in jp for some reason

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instead of eng

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okay reopening the evt fixed it

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 3:13 PM

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faint plinth All right, I've tried adding some of the windowing changes you (and Wisteria) wa...

I will test aswell now

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 3:13 PM

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faint plinth (I haven't had time to check out the other events re: `MCSd` stuff yet, though.)

and that's fine.

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seems like if you open another event after already opening one it stops being saveable. So only the new event that was loaded is saveable.

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Which makes sense, given that it's using the same CPK to edit the events.

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 5:12 PM

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fossil kettle also the assets tab disappeared for some reason

Yeah, this is a separate branch off of main, so it doesn't have the Assets tab yet. Whichever one gets merged first, I'll rebase the other so you can have both.

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 5:14 PM

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amber moth seems like if you open another event after already opening one it stops being sa...

Oh, weird. I kind of doubt it's the CPK, and more likely it's some of the working files... I'll need to temporarily get rid of that special message so I can see what line the IO error is coming from naotothink

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 5:15 PM

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i'll test it once you get rid of it

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 7:53 PM

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OK, pushed a potential fix to the branch naothumbsup

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 9:28 PM

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oh, it didn't show me that you typed in here

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smh

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i'll test it now

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 9:35 PM

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faint plinth OK, pushed a potential fix to the branch <:naothumbsup:1023355325136511036>

looks like it works

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faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 9:48 PM

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amber moth

Perfect!! Let me know if you hit any other issues.

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 9:48 PM

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🫡

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 9:50 PM

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fossil kettle the only downside is you can't copy and paste things between two event editor wi...

Yeah, this would take a bit more effort to get working, but I'll make note of that as a TODO 🤔

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 9:51 PM

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I mean how it is now is already a major improvement.

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 10:32 PM

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Does moving around the main/splash menu work how you wanted?

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 10:32 PM

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Yeah it works perfectly. I don't have any issues with it

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@fossil kettle do you have any? Since you also tested it.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 10:56 PM

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only issue ive really run into is an occasional crash when trying to open a project when an event is already open

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im not sure how to launch the program with a console log though

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 10:56 PM

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do you have git?

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 10:57 PM

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yes

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 10:57 PM

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let me record my process for getting the console rq

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:00 PM

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fossil kettle only issue ive really run into is an occasional crash when trying to open a proj...

If you can get logging working, I'd definitely want to fix that.

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:03 PM

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fossil kettle im not sure how to launch the program with a console log though

this should hopefully be easy to follow. If you have any questions just ask

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also rq ajda. For the windows script the slashes are the wrong slashes. it should be ./scripts/bootstrap_win.bat
not .\scripts\bootstrap_win.bat

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or atleast thats what works for me every time I clone it.

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:06 PM

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Lol, okay, I can change it if that's easier for copypaste.

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:07 PM

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It moreso for other people. Cause I think I only found out by searching online (though I can't remember my first time doing all of this). But I definitely was confused the first time.

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:08 PM

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amber moth this should hopefully be easy to follow. If you have any questions just ask

oh yeah, for when he merges the new commits. If theres only the 'main' branch. You don't need to do the git checkout.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:15 PM

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amber moth this should hopefully be easy to follow. If you have any questions just ask

thats what ive been doing, i usually run the program with dotnet run using a cmd window

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im not really sure if its logging though?

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:15 PM

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git logs it

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:15 PM

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these kinda just look like build errors

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or well

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warnings

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:16 PM

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I haven't had any real issues

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i've used it exclusively for EVTUI

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:16 PM

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fossil kettle these kinda just look like build errors

Yeah, those are just build warnings.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:16 PM

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its not that im having build problems its that idk if its actually logging stuff like program errors

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:17 PM

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It'll show error logs when it actually crashes, too.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:17 PM

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is there someway i can check

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oh does it only log errors?

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:17 PM

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just through the console

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let me record what it looks like

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:17 PM

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It you're seeing warnings, you'll also see errors, so you should be good to go.

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I should really add a general error catcher so this isn't needed....

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:18 PM

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yeash i was just confused since im not seeing debug logs

mellow gazelle Feb 23, 2025, 11:18 PM

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fossil kettle these kinda just look like build errors

is that windows7???

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:19 PM

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Tomfoolery

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@faint plinth @amber moth okay it just crashed and didnt give me any kind of error message

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faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:20 PM

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naodead

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:20 PM

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well im running windows 10.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:20 PM

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im pretty sure its only giving me a build log

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:20 PM

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what net. do you have?

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:20 PM

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amber moth well im running windows 10.

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:21 PM

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oh true

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:21 PM

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i have net 9

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:21 PM

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that might be it

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:21 PM

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or well all of these

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dont ask why i have net 3, i have no idea

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:22 PM

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I can't imagine why different dotnet versions would give you error messages or not, but I've been developing on 8, so IDK what happens if you try to use 9.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:23 PM

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can i just run it with net 8?? or do i have to uninstall net 9

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i have net 8 installed so it should... work?

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i think the problem is though im just

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not getting any kind of debug log

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:23 PM

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thats just a symptom

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of whatever the issue is

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:24 PM

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i feel like its user error

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what does your log look like

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:25 PM

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faint plinth I can't imagine why different dotnet versions would give you error messages or n...

I tried getting ne of our other team members to do it through git and they couldn't build it with net 9. But I think it was solely with just net 9 that they had the issue.

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:25 PM

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fossil kettle what does your log look like

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:25 PM

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i mean why would you need git specifically anyway?

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cmd works fine

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:25 PM

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because thats how I did it

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and it works

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and gives a debug log

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which is what you were asking

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:26 PM

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amber moth

yeah interesting

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:27 PM

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amber moth which is what you were asking

i mean theyre both terminals, right?

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why not try it with cmd on your end

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:29 PM

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fossil kettle i mean theyre both terminals, right?

You asked for a debug logger that worked specifically with EVTUI. Idk what else I can do with that other than show you what worked for me.

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I didn't learn this through cmd. Just through git.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:30 PM

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i think you're missing the point 😅

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regardless can you try it through cmd

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:34 PM

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How many times did you load an event before it crashed?

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:34 PM

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A handful, maybe about 5 or 6 times?

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:35 PM

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   at Microsoft.Win32.SafeHandles.SafeFileHandle.CreateFile(String fullPath, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, FileOptions options)
   at Microsoft.Win32.SafeHandles.SafeFileHandle.Open(String fullPath, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, FileOptions options, Int64 preallocationSize, Nullable`1 unixCreateMode)
   at System.IO.Strategies.OSFileStreamStrategy..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, FileOptions options, Int64 preallocationSize, Nullable`1 unixCreateMode)
   at System.IO.File.CreateText(String path)
   at EVTUI.UserCache.SaveToYaml(User user) in C:\Users\Freeman Cavarretta\EVTUI\src\lib\FileIO\UserCache.cs:line 62
   at EVTUI.ProjectManager.SaveUserCache() in C:\Users\Freeman Cavarretta\EVTUI\src\lib\ProjectManager.cs:line 86
   at EVTUI.ProjectManager.LoadProject(Int32 projInd) in C:\Users\Freeman Cavarretta\EVTUI\src\lib\ProjectManager.cs:line 189
   at EVTUI.DataManager.LoadProject(Int32 ind) in C:\Users\Freeman Cavarretta\EVTUI\src\lib\DataManager.cs:line 77
   at EVTUI.ViewModels.ConfigurationPanelViewModel.TryLoadProject() in C:\Users\Freeman Cavarretta\EVTUI\src\gui\ConfigWindow\ConfigurationPanel\ConfigurationPanelViewModel.cs:line 360
   at EVTUI.Views.ConfigurationPanel.UseProject(Object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) in C:\Users\Freeman Cavarretta\EVTUI\src\gui\ConfigWindow\ConfigurationPanel\ConfigurationPanel.axaml.cs:line 120
   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.<>c.<ThrowAsync>b__128_0(Object state)
   at Avalonia.Threading.SendOrPostCallbackDispatcherOperation.InvokeCore()
   at Avalonia.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Execute()
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.ExecuteJob(DispatcherOperation job)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.ExecuteJobsCore(Boolean fromExplicitBackgroundProcessingCallback)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.Signaled()
   at Avalonia.Win32.Win32Platform.WndProc(IntPtr hWnd, UInt32 msg, IntPtr wParam, IntPtr lParam)
   at Avalonia.Win32.Interop.UnmanagedMethods.DispatchMessage(MSG& lpmsg)
   at Avalonia.Win32.Win32DispatcherImpl.RunLoop(CancellationToken cancellationToken)
   at Avalonia.Threading.DispatcherFrame.Run(IControlledDispatcherImpl impl)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrame(DispatcherFrame frame)
   at Avalonia.Threading.Dispatcher.MainLoop(CancellationToken cancellationToken)
   at Avalonia.Controls.ApplicationLifetimes.ClassicDesktopStyleApplicationLifetime.Start(String[] args)
   at Avalonia.ClassicDesktopStyleApplicationLifetimeExtensions.StartWithClassicDesktopLifetime(AppBuilder builder, String[] args, Action`1 lifetimeBuilder)
   at EVTUI.Program.Main(String[] args) in C:\Users\Freeman Cavarretta\EVTUI\src\gui\Program.cs:line 21
``` This should be it @faint plinth

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also my git screen

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:36 PM

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Ah, yup, that seems likely....

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:39 PM

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I don't think it's a net issue for you wisteria. Since this is mine.

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Though I have no idea what else it could be.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:39 PM

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can you run dotnet --info and paste the output here

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:40 PM

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 Version:           8.0.400
 Commit:            36fe6dda56
 Workload version:  8.0.400-manifests.56cd0383
 MSBuild version:   17.11.3+0c8610977

Runtime Environment:
 OS Name:     Windows
 OS Version:  10.0.19045
 OS Platform: Windows
 RID:         win-x64
 Base Path:   C:\Program Files\dotnet\sdk\8.0.400\

.NET workloads installed:
Configured to use loose manifests when installing new manifests.
There are no installed workloads to display.

Host:
  Version:      9.0.0
  Architecture: x64
  Commit:       9d5a6a9aa4

.NET SDKs installed:
  5.0.408 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\sdk]
  8.0.400 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\sdk]

.NET runtimes installed:
  Microsoft.AspNetCore.App 5.0.12 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.AspNetCore.App]
  Microsoft.AspNetCore.App 5.0.17 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.AspNetCore.App]
  Microsoft.AspNetCore.App 8.0.8 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.AspNetCore.App]
  Microsoft.NETCore.App 3.1.8 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.NETCore.App]
  Microsoft.NETCore.App 3.1.32 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.NETCore.App]
  Microsoft.NETCore.App 5.0.17 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.NETCore.App]
  Microsoft.NETCore.App 6.0.11 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.NETCore.App]
  Microsoft.NETCore.App 7.0.15 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.NETCore.App]
  Microsoft.NETCore.App 8.0.2 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.NETCore.App]
  Microsoft.NETCore.App 8.0.8 [C:\Program Files\dotnet\shared\Microsoft.NETCore.App]
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fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:41 PM

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pretty much the same as mine :/

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:42 PM

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I never had a time cloning where this happened to me as well. So no real idea, has to be something though.

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:42 PM

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hmm

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@faint plinth could you look into having the program output its log to a txt file? like how reloaded-ii does it

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:45 PM

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Yeah, I want errors to be easier to track/share. Working on it naothumbsup

fossil kettle Feb 23, 2025, 11:45 PM

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Cheer

faint plinth Feb 23, 2025, 11:45 PM

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This particular error is what I was afraid of with these changes, lol... time to actually fix how the user configs are handled, I guess....

amber moth Feb 23, 2025, 11:49 PM

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I think it'll be worth it in the long run. Still very glad for all of this though FemcLove

fossil kettle Feb 24, 2025, 12:18 AM

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@faint plinth quick question, does starting frame do anything in-game or is it just a visual thing for the gui? it doesnt seem to be doing anything for me in-game

faint plinth Feb 24, 2025, 12:42 AM

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fossil kettle <@572321426456182794> quick question, does starting frame do anything in-game or...

I think I just forgot to implement saving for those changes, lol, so they don't actually modify the EVT yet.

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But once I do that, I would expect them to do something 😅

fossil kettle Feb 24, 2025, 12:43 AM

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i think it does save that change

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not sure if it does anything or not

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not a huge deal since you can just use a framejump but its worth noting/checking up on

faint plinth Feb 24, 2025, 1:00 AM

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fossil kettle

Oh, yeah, I see now where it gets saved... huh. Maybe it's only used for debugging...?

amber moth Feb 24, 2025, 1:05 AM

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I can probably look into it a bit more tomorrow. I'll also do the same for MCSd.

violet birch Feb 24, 2025, 1:06 AM

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faint plinth But once I do that, I would expect them to do something 😅

iirc (take it with a huge grain of salt) i think it does get used. i seem to remember there are a few events that start late

faint plinth Feb 24, 2025, 1:28 AM

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violet birch iirc (take it with a huge grain of salt) i think it does get used. i seem to rem...

I'd be curious if you could find ones like that, so we could see if it's this field or just FrJ_ that's leading to the late start.

violet birch Feb 24, 2025, 1:28 AM

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that's the hard part 😅

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it's been a minute since i did any evt editing

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090_100 has one

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the newer unbuilt version of evt tool has a lot more things labeled

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(and my fork has more potential labels)

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90_101, 102, 103
92_001, 100
430_001
just to name a few with start frames > 100

faint plinth Feb 24, 2025, 3:02 AM

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fossil kettle the only downside is you can't copy and paste things between two event editor wi...

Okay, I attempted to get cross-window copypaste working in the latest changes to psy/more-flexible-windowing, if you wanna check it out and see if it works for you ✌️
Now to look into the intermittent crashes + easier error tracking....

faint plinth Feb 24, 2025, 3:18 AM

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violet birch 90_101, 102, 103 92_001, 100 430_001 just to name a few with start frames > 100

E430_001 is the official ||everyone-beats-up-Ryuji|| event, isn't it? If so, it definitely does start at the beginning and not at frame 769, which is the starting frame given in the header.

fossil kettle Feb 24, 2025, 3:19 AM

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awesome! ill give it a test soon

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works super well so far :)

violet birch Feb 24, 2025, 3:41 AM

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faint plinth `E430_001` is the official ||everyone-beats-up-Ryuji|| event, isn't it? If so, i...

yup. the first commands are around 0-50ish. i'm wondering if it potentially has something to do with events/movies that happen before the event?

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i dont have a save file that far in so i cant really test

amber moth Feb 24, 2025, 3:35 PM

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fossil kettle <@572321426456182794> quick question, does starting frame do anything in-game or...

I just relized, I don't think I actually have this. Unless it's somewhere I haven't looked

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faint plinth Feb 24, 2025, 5:20 PM

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amber moth I just relized, I don't think I actually have this. Unless it's somewhere I have...

It's also only in the branch with the new Assets tab.

amber moth Feb 24, 2025, 5:20 PM

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oh

steel ruin Feb 25, 2025, 1:23 PM

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Im actually intrigued about this (probally again)

amber moth Feb 25, 2025, 1:31 PM

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how so

steel ruin Feb 25, 2025, 7:15 PM

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Because new tools are Cool and I probably said thus before

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It's also an interesting insight into the evt files and flags

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Patchates

faint plinth Feb 25, 2025, 7:25 PM

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naothumbsup

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 7:11 AM

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amber moth ```Unhandled exception. System.IO.IOException: The process cannot access the fil...

Okay, I maaaybe fixed this in the latest version of the psy/more-flexible-windowing branch...? I tried to, anyway, so it'd be worth seeing if you can still recreate the error.
(Next, to add a general error-catcher / logging....)

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 11:55 AM

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i'll check

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 2:38 PM

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the error for having 2 of the same event open works

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 2:55 PM

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faint plinth Okay, I maaaybe fixed this in the latest version of the `psy/more-flexible-windo...

looks like this is fixed. I've opened 8 so far and nothing has happened.

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 4:13 PM

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Nice... thread-locking saves the day 😎😎😎

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 4:14 PM

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anything else you want me to test?

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 4:21 PM

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Hm, not related to these windowing changes, I don't think.

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I am still curious about the difference between MAAB and MAB_ for attached objects, though, if you've got time to look into that.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 4:22 PM

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oh yeah, forgot about that. I'll look into it after I do some more testing with MCSd

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okay, so good news. This 'toggle' for MCSd is inside the events somewhere.

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I copied everything inside of event file 752_010 and put it into 481_010

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And the shadow works correctly now.

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 4:34 PM

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Huh. What part didn't you change? Just the header?

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Or you did change the header...?

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 4:37 PM

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I mean everything. As in CTRL A then copy paste. It doesn't narrow that much down but atleast it shows that the toggle has to be somewhere in the EVT file.

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I did try doing just the header (I think thats what it is) and it didn't make the shadows appear.

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this part is the header right?

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 4:39 PM

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Yeah, the stuff up top.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 4:40 PM

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shadow potentially spotted

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on joker

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 4:42 PM

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amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 4:46 PM

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so it has to do with either the alt field or field command

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 4:50 PM

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Ahhh, THAT makes sense.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 4:54 PM

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it's in the field command

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though something about this seems weird

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left is the shadow-less event. And right is the shadow existing event.

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That Field1C doesn't do it. So it has to be either the resource ID or the Anim ID

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which is just really weird and im not sure what exactly we can do with that

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okay, figured it out

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so it seems to be connected to the Resource ID and the Field1C. The resource ID I assume needs to be the same as one that has the shadows. And then the field1C needed to be 0 or it would crash immediately.

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anim ID isn't connected to it so it doesn't change the outcome.

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:15 PM

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Hummm... so how does this relate to different events in Leblanc having different behavior? Which IDs are different there?

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:15 PM

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What events specifically?

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:17 PM

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You were showing different events, all in Leblanc, where sometimes the shadow worked and sometimes it didn't.

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Not sure which were which, exactly.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:17 PM

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No they all worked

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atleast iirc

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:17 PM

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Oh, huh. Didn't it not work in the one with Sae?

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:18 PM

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ah

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let me look at the EVT file

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:21 PM

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faint plinth Oh, huh. Didn't it not work in the one with Sae?

looks like I just didn't make the radius big enough

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so it seems to be a per field basis

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:25 PM

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amber moth so it seems to be connected to the Resource ID and the Field1C. The resource ID ...

So, based on this, such shadows are only enabled on certain field models. And then that middle object/asset field (which is a bitfield, so this is a boolean check) needs to be zero if you include any MCSd_ commands...?

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:26 PM

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It seems like that. At the very least only certain fields can have the shadows.

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I wonder if it's hardcoded?

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:26 PM

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Might be something in the lighting and/or materials.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:27 PM

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EVENT/E100/E180/E186_001.EVT: 1, 1, 1
EVENT/E200/E220/E225_001.EVT: 1000, 1000, 1000, 1000
EVENT/E200/E240/E243_401.EVT: 1, 1, 1, 36, 170
EVENT/E400/E400/E409_040.EVT: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
EVENT/E400/E480/E482_020.EVT: 1, 1
EVENT/E500/E510/E511_080.EVT: 159, 159
EVENT/E500/E510/E511_230.EVT: 1
EVENT/E700/E700/E703_200.EVT: 1
EVENT/E700/E720/E722_042.EVT: 1, 1, 1027
EVENT/E700/E720/E722_200.EVT: 1```
Just to bring it back for easy access.

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:27 PM

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Are you able to mess around with some of the checkboxes on the Field assets in the psy/header-and-object-tabs branch to see which one(s) seem to have an effect on crashing with shadows?

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:28 PM

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Yeah I can try messing around with it.

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:28 PM

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Or did you make note of any specific non-zero values that crashed?

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:29 PM

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you mean for the field1C or the resource ID?

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:29 PM

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If it's just 1 like the event above, then that means the Field can't be checked as "common"... interesting.

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I meant the thing that's Field1C in the EvtTool release, yeah.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:30 PM

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oh I see

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:30 PM

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amber moth left is the shadow-less event. And right is the shadow existing event.

☝️Like yeah, the one on the left here means the field model is considered "common." For character models this has implications about which GAP files get used, but I don't know what it implies for field models.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:31 PM

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looks like 2 works

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I just changed it in the EVT file since it was easier

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:32 PM

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Even numbers should work, and odd numbers should crash. But in that branch, you should just be able to check/uncheck the "Common?" box for the field asset, to the same effect.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:33 PM

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fine i'll reclone it

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:34 PM

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I'll try to merge the other branch within a day or two so this branch can start having the multi-window benefits 😄

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:40 PM

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I have not seen this asset tab before wow this is a lot

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ticking on the common box crashed it

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faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 5:44 PM

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Okay, cool. Confirmed....

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Now, why it works this way, I have no idea. But that was some excellent sleuthing. Nice work!

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:46 PM

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Thanks, later on i'll try different fields it works on. So maybe we can figure out how to change the fields to make them work.

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Then maybe have it as a dependency mod for event editor mods who want to use the command or something

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 5:47 PM

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faint plinth I am still curious about the difference between `MAAB` and `MAB_` for attached o...

i'll look into this now

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 6:16 PM

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amber moth

Although...... does it still crash if you check Common when there aren't MCSd commands?

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 6:16 PM

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i'll check that now

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still crashes

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 6:25 PM

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Ha, okay. So it's probably more to do with the specified animations not being available in the common files.

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That makes more sense.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 6:26 PM

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faint plinth Ha, okay. So it's probably more to do with the specified animations not being av...

any way we can fix that for other fields?

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 6:32 PM

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It's probably more a matter of figuring out where the field animations live and preventing users from selecting invalid animations, or at least warning them about it.

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I haven't looked into field animations yet, so I'm not sure what the path patterns are for them.

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Character model stuff is super prevented from crashing, even in silly ways, so I'm kind of surprised field animations aren't similarly ironclad.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 6:35 PM

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I assume because they're not as messed with often.

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 6:35 PM

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True....

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 8:46 PM

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ohhhh

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I figured out why joker didn't load before I think

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cause I changed the model ID to what it should be because our mod uses a different model ID for a different outfit. So then it doesn't show up.

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 8:52 PM

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Oooh, I see. Wisteria's hack of making a MOD.CPK containing your models would probably work here, but I'll get working on an actual solution for modded assets.

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 9:24 PM

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@fossil kettle where exactly did you put the mod.cpk in the files for it to work?

fossil kettle Feb 26, 2025, 9:25 PM

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steamapps\common\P5R\CPK

amber moth Feb 26, 2025, 9:25 PM

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oh, makes sense. Thanks femc

fossil kettle Feb 26, 2025, 9:25 PM

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MayaNod

faint plinth Feb 26, 2025, 9:40 PM

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Btw, @fossil kettle, I think I fixed the crashing in the multi-window branch. It seems to be fixed for CG, at least.

fossil kettle Feb 26, 2025, 9:40 PM

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nice! i'll test it sometime soon

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 7:35 PM

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gonna test the anim stuff now.

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 7:53 PM

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yeah, seems like attached models can use both MAAB and MAB_ (morgana)

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im thinking it's that they can use both but MAAB is just more preferable since it deals specifically with attached models.

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They probably used the same code as MAB_ and tweaked it a bit for attached models.

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let me check out all of the unknowns

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seems like the unknown(debug) doesn't really do anything.

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:02 PM

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I wouldn't expect the debug stuff to show up in-game, yeah.

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:02 PM

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🤓

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:02 PM

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I include it for completeness, but most likely it's just for Atlus's event editor.

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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would be cool to see what it does

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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We'd have to get some Royal beta builds for real for that 😄

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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is it not in regular P5?

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damn

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

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Yeah, it's not in the P5 beta editor.

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

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faint plinth We'd have to get some Royal beta builds for real for that 😄

if only I had lots of money

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:09 PM

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amber moth im thinking it's that they can use both but MAAB is just more preferable since i...

Yeah, I have no idea how it'd be tweaked, though. I first wondered if it was a way of using the parent model's anims for the attached model somehow, but that doesn't seem to be the case...?

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:11 PM

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Maybe they didn't have an easy way to select different assets with their setup so they had to use MAAB?

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no idea

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Cause it works the exact same

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:11 PM

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It shall remain a mystery for now, I guess....

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:13 PM

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still trying these unknowns. They don't seem to be doing anything

violet birch Feb 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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which command/fields are you looking at?

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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MAB_, just trying to document these currently

violet birch Feb 27, 2025, 8:18 PM

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not a whole lot of help without the evt field numbers

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but i know fields 38 and 3c are static values

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:18 PM

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They're mostly from the bitfield. EVTUI parses things differently from EvtTool.

violet birch Feb 27, 2025, 8:18 PM

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gotcha

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:19 PM

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unless it's like MCSd these unknowns don't do anything.

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:23 PM

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This is what the MAB_ parsing looks like, if that's at all helpful in comparing to EvtTool output. These should fall in the same order as the fields from EvtTool, although one of them is split in half (the two UInt16s).

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(Probably not helpful, but it's hard to get a one-to-one comparison....)

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:24 PM

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All in all I think we need to kill atlus

violet birch Feb 27, 2025, 8:25 PM

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this is what it looks like in evt tool. fairly similar logic

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:35 PM

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@faint plinth anything else you want me to test?

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:37 PM

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Hm, not really at the moment, unless you spot any other unknowns you want to test.

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:42 PM

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theres an unknown on the MAt_ so i'll look at that rq

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so thats what it does

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actually

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need to test it again

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:45 PM

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Changes the attachment point...? 🤔

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:45 PM

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yeah no, does nothing

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I forgot that I deleted the MAAB when testing and didn't put it back

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Ah, gotcha. Well, who knows... it might be clearer what these things do once folks get into other events ~~and stuff breaks as a result~~.

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:48 PM

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it changed the shading on the bag

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morgana's

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it's more lighter with the unknown off

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:49 PM

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Interesting! Something with sharing the parent object's shader or not, maybe...?

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:51 PM

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might be, let me test some stuff

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doesn't work with blusumi this is so sad

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 8:58 PM

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Aw..... It doesn't work whether checked or unchecked?

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 8:58 PM

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I will try

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nope

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what are some other shader things can I mess with

weary pelican Feb 27, 2025, 9:00 PM

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Sumi the Hedgehog hello?

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 9:01 PM

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amber moth nope

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 9:02 PM

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it was prophesized by charlie the chocolate factory

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she even has a ponytail

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and the same bangs

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wow

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 9:02 PM

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The prophecy 🙏

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 9:03 PM

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Sumire! You're turning sumire, Sumire!

fossil kettle Feb 27, 2025, 9:03 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

Tenor

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 9:07 PM

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looks like it also works with normal models aswell

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I think?

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 9:09 PM

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His harassment has escalated....

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It's hard to tell much from the screenshots, but seems the same, other than the cinemascope, which is unrelated 🤷

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 9:10 PM

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doesn't look like it works actually. So maybe it's just certain models?

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 9:11 PM

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Oh, okay! That's the unknown checkbox again?

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 9:11 PM

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yeah

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wanted to see what would happen if it wasn't a premade item model like the morgana bag

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 9:13 PM

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faint plinth It's hard to tell much from the screenshots, but seems the same, other than the ...

you're just not a true persona fan

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do the other shoe options here work?

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I didn't think to try it

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 9:16 PM

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These should all work, but the model needs to have corresponding nodes. Most don't, or only have one or two of these.

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I think all vanilla models have at most shoe_0 and shoe_1...? But 2 and 3 should also work, based on the old MSSs thread.

amber moth Feb 27, 2025, 9:18 PM

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I see, good to know.

faint plinth Feb 27, 2025, 9:25 PM

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(It is Nodes and not Meshes, apparently, so I've since edited the text there accordingly.)

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 6:33 AM

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Went ahead and merged the multi-windowing branch, so now psy/header-and-object-tabs has all the newest features (so, the new Basics/Assets tabs + the flexible windowing, etc.) ✌️
If it breaks... we'll figure it out from there!

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 8:02 AM

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amber moth

I've figured out at least some of this.... For field assets, those last 3 IDs don't mean the same things they do for character assets. The first one is the (optional) player field animation file ID, the second is the crowd (.CLT) major ID, and the third is the crowd minor ID. How that interacts with the Common? check, or whether that check also means something different for field assets, I'm still not sure.

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 11:43 AM

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faint plinth Went ahead and merged the multi-windowing branch, so now `psy/header-and-object-...

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-casket-gif-14075671

Tenor

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time to test

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 12:46 PM

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looks like everything works

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 1:21 PM

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seems like an event with MCSd togglability already on it doesn't crash when common is checked

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when the 481 event is in the same configuration as this event it still crashes

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 3:34 PM

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I suspect it may actually be the Crowd (iirc that event uses CwP_...?) commands causing the crash when you toggle Common? on that field asset.

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 3:35 PM

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i see

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i'll try it

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 3:39 PM

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faint plinth I suspect it may actually be the Crowd (iirc that event uses `CwP_`...?) command...

still crashed after removing the CwP commands from 481

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 3:40 PM

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Hm, then possibly also the numbers in "animation ID"s for that field asset. What happens if you remove the Crowd commands and also set those IDs all to -1?

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 3:41 PM

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amber moth seems like an event with MCSd togglability already on it doesn't crash when comm...

I already did. This is 481

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And this is 752.

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 3:43 PM

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Hmmmmm.

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I see, I see.

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 4:44 PM

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Can you share the edited 481 event?

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 4:45 PM

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oh sure

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📎 E481_010.ECS 📎 E481_010.EVT

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 6:36 PM

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amber moth still crashes

Okay, I think I'm a bit confused. The vanilla version of E481_010.EVT already has Common? checked. In the message I'm replying to, though, you mentioned that the crash happened when the field was checked as common, with or without MCSd... but that doesn't make sense if it's checked by default. Unless you only checked with a modded field ID, I guess...?

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 6:38 PM

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amber moth I already did. This is 481

I meant with the things here changed.

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 6:39 PM

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Ah, okay. Well... that means there's a lot going on here that could break things, lol.

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 6:41 PM

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yes

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im pretty sure it works fine up until the anim IDs are changed.

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then they crash with common on

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 6:46 PM

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Interesting... well, the crashing is something in general with field assets and crowd files and possibly player animations, but I don't think we know enough about field-related files yet to work it out exactly.

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 6:47 PM

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soon it will all be revealed

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 9:59 PM

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Well, one possible reason is that F003_002 doesn't have a basic CLT file:

FIELD/NPC/F003_010.CLT```
...so it probably won't work if `Common?` is checked, because it'll be looking for that file.

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I think if you have -1s there and common isn't checked, it will skip looking for a crowd file. But if you check common, it'll look for the one for that field, no matter what the latter two ID values are.

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 10:36 PM

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faint plinth I think if you have `-1`s there and common isn't checked, it will skip looking f...

wane my to test it?

faint plinth Feb 28, 2025, 11:13 PM

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That seems to be what you've been finding already, no?

amber moth Feb 28, 2025, 11:13 PM

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oh

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I wasn't reading correctly then

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mb

faint plinth Mar 3, 2025, 3:05 AM

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Finally figured out how the "starting frame" stuff works... that and the marker frames are all editor-only--as in, they're saved in the EVT so you can limit and mark-up your playback range for editing purposes, but they don't affect the in-game playback. The branch now makes that clear, allows you to mark frames, and (as a result) only has two (Royal-only) unknown flags left in the header 🙏

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I still want to add some better visuals to the Assets tab, and once I've done that, hopefully this branch can be merged. Aaaand then on to the next stuff (more commands, hex editing mode for commands to cover un-implemented ones, etc.).

faint plinth Mar 4, 2025, 5:23 PM

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One thing I'm currently pondering re: assets... there are a lot of assets for which there don't seem to be external animation files, like Items (/Props, in EvtTool terms). But on rare occasions, they do have non-default numbers in the files.

As far as I can tell, this doesn't do anything... but is it worth leaving in the UI for now just for the sake of experimentation? Probably, but I'm not sure how to label it... maybe just Possibly Unused #1, Possibly Unused #2, etc.

amber moth Mar 4, 2025, 5:23 PM

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do you want me to test them aswell?

faint plinth Mar 4, 2025, 5:30 PM

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Yeah, maybe that's the way to do it. I'll leave the fields in there with Unknown/Unused labels so you know which ones are still mysteries.

It'll be kind of hard to test, tbh, since for all I know they could point to something other than animations... but I can at least point you toward the events where there are non-default values.

amber moth Mar 4, 2025, 5:56 PM

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That would be cool

faint plinth Mar 6, 2025, 7:46 AM

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Went ahead and updated the main branch to have the Basics and Assets tabs, because I don't feel like letting that continue to block other things I want to be doing 😅 So the new tabs are still a little barebones--I want to add more previewing, adding/deleting assets, etc., but I can't be bothered for now~~ and I'm trying not to let the PR sizes balloon any more than necessary~~.

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Basically, all header and objects/assets fields should be editable -- just no add/delete yet. It shouldn't actually be hard to do that soon, at least.

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 1:55 AM

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Oh, I actually have a question related to script emulation... BF/BMD emulation doesn't account for embedded BFs/BMDs in EVTs, does it? I assume it doesn't and you'd need to compile them back into the EVT to mod them, but it's worth checking.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 1:59 AM

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I don't think so. Since it's an issue for the navi lines and idk why they'd be different.

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 2:00 AM

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Navi lines are in the exe, though, right? As opposed to being in an EVT.

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Probably still ends up working the same way, but 🤷

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 2:01 AM

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EVT is two letters off of EXE so it's probably true

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 2:02 AM

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True....

ocean acorn Mar 7, 2025, 2:04 AM

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i didnt know that was a thing dark
persona essentials does handle embedded bfs/bmds in (p3p/p4g) tbls so it could prolly be done

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 2:07 AM

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Lol, to be fair, I'm not sure that any EVTs used in the final game have embedded scripts (because they all use the external ones everyone is familiar with). It might only be unused ones that have them. In which case, I don't even know if the final game supports such embedding....

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It'll definitely be worth a test once I handle it properly in the UI.

ocean acorn Mar 7, 2025, 2:10 AM

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i feel like its probably not worth it if the game itself doesnt even use that feature, but out of curiosity what evts do this (and do they have content thatd be interesting to restore)

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 2:10 AM

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Hmmm, let me see....

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A few that have embedded BF scripts....

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...and a few that have embedded BMDs.

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...And complete lists of all such events.

📎 embedded_bf.txt 📎 embedded_bmd.txt

ocean acorn Mar 7, 2025, 2:38 AM

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on a whim i searched p5rmsg.txt (i think the one included in modding-resources? its a ps4 dump in specific) for e090_001 and found it in multiple event paks. it has the lines you get from a newly fused persona
how do those work in final?

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 2:56 AM

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iirc after the fusion the msg pops up and once you finish the dialogue it ends

ocean acorn Mar 7, 2025, 3:00 AM

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no i mean internally

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 3:01 AM

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thought so

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no idea then

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 3:12 AM

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Yeah, hm... And that BMD does exist externally. So let me see if I can figure out what's inside of the embedded one, if anything....

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Okay, interesting. So there definitely aren't any actual embedded BMDs or BFs, but the flag that gets set in the beta P5 editor for embedding them still exists and is sometimes set to true... so it looks like this was just. Deprecated, I guess.

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Like, I know that's what flag it is from messing with the beta editor, but it doesn't seem to do anything anymore naotoshrug

ocean acorn Mar 7, 2025, 3:21 AM

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same sitch with final og p5?

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 3:23 AM

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Seems so, at least if the beta files are any indicator. All of them give the offsets and sizes for all embedded BFs/BMDs as zero.

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Even the ones where the flag for them is set to true.

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Net zero information 😅

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I swear it's a thing naosmiley But since the editor is older than the files in the beta, it must have been deprecated somewhere in-between, I guess.

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...OH, I get it now. It's actually a flag for whether there's an external script or not.

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...But I still don't know if it actually gets used.

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OKAY, I think I got it. The flag is set when the default BF/BMD path name is being overridden -- so basically all of the E090_ events use this so they can share that same E090_001.BMD script. If it's not set, it uses the default script path based on the event IDs.

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TL;DR: Just kidding, there are no embedded scripts. But there is a way of pointing to a script other than the canonical one the event would use based on its IDs.

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 4:58 AM

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Cool... I pushed some changes to more accurately reflect what the header/"Basics" fields mean, then. Although I still need to make sure the script editor parts pick up the right files when there's a custom path specified.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 2:59 PM

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faint plinth Cool... I pushed some changes to more accurately reflect what the header/"Basics...

i'll test it out in a sec

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 4:59 PM

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sorry, got a sore throat and forgot about this. I'm testing it now

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pretty sure the slashes are backwards

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well for windows atleast

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in any case it does seem to work. Just need to mess around with it a bit

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it seems to load now but it just crashes

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the slashes do seem to matter. Just wanted to confirm it.

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but the text always defaults to all caps whether or not you changed it in EVTUI. Which makes sense but still wanted to confirm it.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 5:23 PM

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amber moth but the text always defaults to all caps whether or not you changed it in EVTUI....

nvm. You HAVE to make the path to be all caps or else it wont load the actual file.

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but it still crashes when loaded

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for both BF and BMD

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 5:50 PM

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🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

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The way the game does it is with forward slashes and lowercases.

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 5:51 PM

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faint plinth ...And complete lists of all such events.

So these ☝️ events should contain such paths that get used in the vanilla game.

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Usually paths embedded in files (e.g., CPKs) use forward slashes and are case-insensitive afaik, so I'm interested in the specific crash scenarios here.

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That is, unless none of them are actually used and the paths break even in the vanilla game 🫠

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 5:57 PM

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i'll check it out now. Sorry, was in the shower.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 5:59 PM

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faint plinth The way the game does it is with forward slashes and lowercases.

No idea honestly. It just started 'working' once I changed them.

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this is E096_001 standard in EVTUI

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trying it out now

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looks like it loads and doesn't crash

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:04 PM

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👀

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:06 PM

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i'll try out other events that have it

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168_011

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also works

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:09 PM

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Okay, cool. So what about it breaks when you try to format the file paths in the same way?

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:10 PM

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From what I can tell once it tried loading the file it just crashed

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as in the BMD or bf

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:11 PM

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How did you include the file in your mod / what were the contents?

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:13 PM

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For the BMD I tested I just copied the original 481_010 BMD and then renamed it. And for the BF I just changed the slashes and made it all caps.

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i'll mess around a bit more

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I see

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right

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So when you go to 'save' an EVT. If you're messing with a new EVT you HAVE to also save both the BMD and BF or else it wont create the files.

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:16 PM

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Oh, sure.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:17 PM

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so now this works with the custom BMD path

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I know thats what it is because I didn't do that with 481_010 and it wouldn't load.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:18 PM

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amber moth So when you go to 'save' an EVT. If you're messing with a new EVT you HAVE to al...

this also apparently happens with old EVTs with this new custom path. Which makes sense but good to know.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:18 PM

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faint plinth Oh, sure.

this gives me "lets get you to bed grandpa" vibes

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:19 PM

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🧓

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Lol, I meant that as in a "right, that's how it works" way.

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I would like to make it clearer in the UI at some point when you're actually creating new files in your mod directory.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:20 PM

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I knew that before hand but I just completely forgot about it. Then remembered.

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:21 PM

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I think the way I want it to work eventually is that you have to explicitly create a new modded file for each file type in order to make edits -- and when you do, you also can select the "CPK" folder name.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:22 PM

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faint plinth I would like to make it clearer in the UI at some point when you're actually cre...

you could maybe have it be a checkbox selection before you open the EVT? Like you can select to have a BMD and BF be created upon loading up the EVT. So then you can just pick and choose what you need.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:22 PM

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faint plinth I think the way I want it to work eventually is that you have to explicitly crea...

oh, I did not see this while typing

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:23 PM

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Does it seem like a reasonable approach?

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:26 PM

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Just trying to wrap my head around your explanation. So like how it is now in EVTUI but it's more visible that you are creating it rather than 'saving' and giving more options for what happens with them?

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:27 PM

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Yeah, my idea is that there would be more explicit marking of vanilla files vs. modded files, and you can always see the vanilla files, but if you want to edit, there will be a button that lets you create a modded file from a vanilla one of your choice.

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This would also let you have multiple edits of the same file for a mod if you have multiple CPK directories that users can configure.

amber moth Mar 7, 2025, 6:29 PM

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I see, yeah I agree with that. Would be really cool.

faint plinth Mar 7, 2025, 6:29 PM

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You'd still need to save each file explicitly, but it would be more flexible and, I hope, clearer what files you have.

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Okay, cool femc

faint plinth Mar 9, 2025, 1:44 AM

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Got a new branch for adding/deleting assets naocool It needs a little more polish before merging, but so far it seems to work without issue!

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I also moved around the tab organization a bit because the nested tabs were starting to feel unnecessary. But I'm open to feedback re: what tab ordering (/ default tab to be open at the start of a session) is most intuitive.

amber moth Mar 9, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Honestly I feel like it'd be better if the timeline tab was the thing that shows up at session start rather than the basics tab. The timeline tab will be the main thing you edit in the editor. So having it be front and center when you open up the event will make that interaction better I feel.

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Also on the topic of the assets tab. Can you make it have a conformation when you try and delete an asset (do you really want to delete this?) since I can foresee accidentally deleting assets being an annoyance.

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And 2 things, when adding a new asset. You can't reposition assets. So if you add a new one it just stays at the bottom. And while I do like how it takes over the number from a previously deleted asset the lack of repositioning makes it out of place.

amber moth Mar 9, 2025, 7:18 PM

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About the nested tabs. I feel like now there are too many tabs. I'm not sure why but it feels crowded. I think at least nesting the basics tab in either the timeline or assets tab would be best. Since basics doesn't really have that many things you can change. And like I said before you really wont be editing any of the options in it that much.

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My ordering would be Timeline>Assets>Audio>Scripts>Render

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Other than what I've said I have no real issues. Works fine from my testing. You did a great job on this. femc

faint plinth Mar 9, 2025, 9:10 PM

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👀📝📝

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I was especially wondering about the Timeline tab being the main one, so that's very helpful feedback!

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Lol, and re: the Assets tab organization -- here's a relevant sneak preview of some of my (disorganized) mockups/notes for things I want to add to it.

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Hopefully the nested nature of Delete would help prevent mistakes, but I can still add an Are You Sure? dialogue if you think that would be helpful. Could do the same for deleting commands, too....

amber moth Mar 9, 2025, 9:17 PM

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Yeah I think that works better

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since that would be a lot harder to fat finger

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wdym by 'related commands'? Like for example every single MAB_ that character asset 3 is under?

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if so I'm not so sure. Since that can be pretty catastrophic if fat fingered.

faint plinth Mar 9, 2025, 9:20 PM

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It would definitely need an Are You Sure? dialogue, but I'm thinking it would be a convenient shortcut in case you don't want to dig through and find all the commands for that asset manually after deleting it.

amber moth Mar 9, 2025, 9:21 PM

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Yeah alright, I can get behind that. Also wdym by IO? I have seen it a couple times but idk specifically what it means.

faint plinth Mar 9, 2025, 9:21 PM

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In what context?

amber moth Mar 9, 2025, 9:22 PM

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when you ask if you sort by IO by default.

faint plinth Mar 9, 2025, 9:22 PM

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(Also, I definitely think bulk operations like this are a good impetus for an undo feature, so I'm actively thinking about that.)

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OH, that says ID, lol.

amber moth Mar 9, 2025, 9:22 PM

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lol

faint plinth Mar 9, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Usually IO means Input/Output, so like file reading/writing. But that's only really in the backend code.

amber moth Mar 9, 2025, 9:23 PM

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ahhh

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