actually I said this would be a quick release but realistically it won't be; FEMC cutscenes won't be out for a bit longer
#P3P (PC) QOL Collection + recommended mod list
loud plover
lavish zealot
its almost done id say 2 more months maybe?
loud plover
probably 1 more at most is my guess
I already finished the scripting for the PC version so it's just waiting for the cutscenes to be done
lavish zealot
i see
theyre gonna move onto animating for femc reload so im guessing they want to be done w this project fast too
as theyre currently fixing up small details/animation errors
cant you just include the cutscenes mod as an update to the modpack?
loud plover
either way I figure P3P will still be relevant for the true femc experience, at least for a while
lavish zealot
ya
loud plover
cant you just include the cutscenes mod as an update to the modpack?
so technically yes but the way R2 modpacks work is that they just download the mods and that's it, so I can't update the pack for existing users
light blaze
alr what do yall think
loud plover
(also, cutscenes can't be downloaded fully as the videos are stored separately)
text could be bigger and probably more centered
lavish zealot
oh i love the white triangle in the middle separating the two
any bigger might be too big i feel like, just centering it should be enough?
loud plover
technically the name I'm using for the mod title is P3P Necessities Pack but the way you have it, that would be a lot of text, so I think that P3 Necessities is fine for the thumbnails at least
loud plover
any bigger might be too big i feel like, just centering it should be enough?
I'm mainly thinking about how the thumbnails show up when you're browsing GB. that text might be too small to read
if that's not a factor then yeah it's probably fine
I suppose the logo being massive is the important part lol
lavish zealot
I'm mainly thinking about how the thumbnails show up when you're browsing GB. th...
ah thats fair
light blaze
this is at a 1366x768px display, it's somewhat legible imo
but yeah I'll center the logo and subtext a little more
ty for the feedback guys🙏 🙏 🙏
lavish zealot
oh that dropshadow makes it impossible to read the green Necessities text
light blaze
should I make it darker? or change up the color?
loud plover
I like how it looks so I wonder if just making it bigger would help
lavish zealot
^
loud plover
then again my thumbnail here isn't exactly readable either
proud roost
that's an amazing thumbnail
lavish zealot
i like the color itself, maybe use a box to highlight that text instead? might not look great in application but id be curious to see how it looks
by box i mean a filled in one
or like a frosted glass effect w gaussian blur
and make it slightly darker ( gray overlay)
proud roost
so technically yes but the way R2 modpacks work is that they just download the m...
would adding a dummy mod that prompts users to update work? all it would do is just add a message saying to check the hosting site for further updates
it obviously wouldn't update everything
but it would at least let users know there's an update for the central pack
loud plover
one problem: I am not sure how to add changelogs and such text into the update prompt
proud roost
didn't swine say you just have to add a markdown file to the update file
light blaze
here's one with the centered text and slightly bigger subtext
loud plover
I did that for some of my mods </3
proud roost
loud plover
and it did not work 😭
light blaze
and the new size test image
loud plover
yeah that looks better for sure
proud roost
and it did not work 😭
maybe ask swine for an example
loud plover
cant believe P3N is finally real
light blaze
I also made the drop shadow a bit darker on the logo
so that contrast issue would be subsided a bit lol
P3N is real pt2.png
loud plover
@ebon shore hiiii how does this work? I've tried putting changelog.md files in for previous mods I've updated before but they never showed the update notes in the update prompt
lavish zealot
is it okay if i try something too?
lavish zealot
blows up
light blaze
feel free to edit to your hearts content lol
lavish zealot
why is the top of makoto’s head
squiggly
is that how the art is i do not remember
light blaze
I had to waifu2x the portraits so I can get them to be giant and not blurry
I also didn't want to wait like 10 mins upscaling with esrgan on my shitty laptop
loud plover
you do realize there are high quality versions of that art available right
lavish zealot
did you download the thumbnails by accident maybe?
light blaze
no
quick juniper
here's one with the centered text and slightly bigger subtext
for the shadow alternatively just add an outline with lower opacity
you could alter the color too
proud roost
too busy?
all i did was add the tartarus tower in the background haha
kinda helps tie in the green color (it's why i chose it after all >.>)
lavish zealot
add a white low opacity layer on top of tartarus
light blaze
looks great but I feel that the green bg and text would blend in or smth
light blaze
did you download the thumbnails by accident maybe?
btw I used the pics that fandom uses
the 1000px+ ones
proud roost
like that?
light blaze
now it looks to washed out lmaooo☠️
lavish zealot
btw I used the pics that fandom uses
how much did u upscale them by
lavish zealot
u see i wanted to move down both of them just a little but i have to insert my own images for that and they end up blurry either way 
lavish zealot
like that?
add a dark gray or black gradient from bottom to match the protags
light blaze
let me check the recycle bin if I have em or smth
quick juniper
like that?
are the blue pink and white overlays just a regular layer on a lower opacity?
lavish zealot
let me check the recycle bin if I have em or smth
its not gonna be of any use procreate just hates importing images
light blaze
are the blue pink and white overlays just a regular layer on a lower opacity?
I merged the overlays with an opacity of 180
they use the triangle menu colors for both
quick juniper
but theyre just regular layers?
light blaze
I only did that so it was easier to move em
light blaze
but theyre just regular layers?
yes lmao
quick juniper
try using multiply or overlay
lavish zealot
i meant like the layer type
the original has normal layers at 71% opacity
light blaze
man I wish I was at my desk, but I gotta wait til my new laptop comes b4 I can clean it up
quick juniper
like that?
right yeah
light blaze
would've made editing this wayyy easier lmaooo
quick juniper
idk if thats better than normal layers
but you can tweak with the opacity until its what you like
light blaze
I went with normal layers so you could see the colors
the difference, I mean
it seems like it's harder to see the brighter spot at the top when using the multiply layer compared to a normal layer
quick juniper
true if you want readability it might be better
light blaze
honestly I'm a bit mixed now
I like how the portraits pop out with multiply more but I like the visible gradient with a normal layer setting
quick juniper
you could always try to separate the portraits from the bg
if you got the higher quality base versions it shouldnt be too bad
that way you use normal for the gradient in the bg
and mulitply on the portraits
and then if its hard to read, you could use a regular or half opacity outline instead of a fading one
lavish zealot
im aware the rectangle is fucked and the protags are too but can someone test the legibility of this
proud roost
here's my psd in case anyone wants to take a stab at it
light blaze
ooh a blur square, I haven't used one of those in a while
light blaze
here's my psd in case anyone wants to take a stab at it
I'll check it out rn
lavish zealot
yeah thats what i meant by frosted glass
lavish zealot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569187956561149953/1216565425035411526/P3...
i actually wanted to make the protags smaller and move them to the sides so you can actually see their faces lol
but i also fw making them rlly big
proud roost
i think using multiply on the protags definitely makes em more visible / look better
lavish zealot
i actually wanted to make the protags smaller and move them to the sides so you ...
and more room for the white triangle in between
lavish zealot
i think using multiply on the protags definitely makes em more visible / look be...
i tried several layer modes too but i think it draws too much attention to them
light blaze
I just tested overlay and I'm ngl I prefer it over the two
proud roost
that's why i think having the tower in the center draws your attention towards the logo
light blaze
but yeah it draws more attention to the two protags
lavish zealot
i like the white triangle more but thats def more on my personal taste
i really like the grid bg 
light blaze
nice, we had a lengthy name discussion and now we've moved to the thumbnail☠️ 😭
lavish zealot
thats how it goes
lavish zealot
i just fw heavy on blue pink white together
quick juniper
thats the best combination of colors in anything ever
light blaze
lavish zealot
it kills the bg for me but might be a program thing
opaque umbra
holy SHIT
light blaze
with overlay
light blaze
indeed
proud roost
don't ruin it 😭
opaque umbra
bonq this has been my joke the entire time p3re has been out
i am not ruining anything
light blaze
LMAO imagine I draw a HUGE transparent dick and hide it behind em☠️
light blaze
LMAO imagine I draw a HUGE transparent dick and hide it behind em☠️
psds are available so debunking the penis in the P3N thumbnail will be very easy
light blaze
just overlay in pdn
lavish zealot
very likely a program difference thing
light blaze
could be
lavish zealot
my overlay is very different LOL
lavish zealot
it kills the bg for me but might be a program thing
.
proud roost
oh overlay
quick juniper
wait you made the protags blended?
proud roost
there we go
ebon shore
<@131175789138935808> hiiii how does this work? I've tried putting changelog.md ...
It should just work... I normally have it automatically done when github actions builds my mods (since they almost all have code nowadays) but it should work if you do it manually when you press publish in Reloaded
quick juniper
you definitely should just be adding a color layer that blends on top of them
via like clipping or whatever its called in pain dot net
lavish zealot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569187956561149953/1216565425035411526/P3...
can someone pls test the legibility of this cuz i cannot for myself i just wanna see if “necessities” is readable
ideally id get rid of the dropshadow too
quick juniper
it looks very readable
proud roost
It should just work... I normally have it automatically done when github actions...
when you publish you go to readme and changelog and then set changelog file? then just include a markdown file?
light blaze
I agree
proud roost
where's pixelguin when ya need em
light blaze
I think a rounded square blur would be better
opaque umbra
it's readable, but it gets a bit less readable if you add tartarus like in this one
light blaze
yeah
quick juniper
idk if i really like the blur tho
light blaze
this is indeed an issue
ebon shore
when you publish you go to readme and changelog and then set changelog file? the...
Yeah, I think that's all
quick juniper
i feel like its not that necessary
lavish zealot
from what i can tell
nah i meant like as a thumbnail on the website
opaque umbra
we need pixelguin here
quick juniper
nah i meant like as a thumbnail on the website
i mean yeah im on desktop seeing the pic
its not that big at all so
light blaze
ok lets vote, tartarus bg 
white grid bg
lavish zealot
and the new size test image
i mention it bc u literally cant read it here
opaque umbra
i like the tartarus one but the colors of N and Necessities will need to be changed
light blaze
I think purple would work
quick juniper
oh wow yeah thats horrible readability
light blaze
LEAN
quick juniper
make it larger instead imo
opaque umbra
people who are red-green colorblind will have a hard time reading
quick juniper
i feel like no ammount of blur will help that
proud roost
that can probably be addressed by using a different blending color on the tartarus background
i have it currently set to the same color as the text which is part of the problem
quick juniper
no amount of changing colors or blurring is gonna help if the letters are literally just too small to tell apart
esp with the font
opaque umbra
honestly if you make the color a shade of blue, pink, or something that stands out against tartarus, it may be ok
lavish zealot
yeah can someone make the letter bigger in the psd for that text
opaque umbra
i do believe pixelguin will be able to give valuable input though
proud roost
can't, it's just an image as text for me 😭
lavish zealot
honestly if you make the color a shade of blue, pink, or something that stands o...
nah itll blend in w protags
quick juniper
honestly if you make the color a shade of blue, pink, or something that stands o...
look at the test image yuha posted lmao
its literally unreadable
like i deadass cant tell the letters apart at that size 😭
lavish zealot
and u def cant add a new color just remove smth at that point
light blaze
can't, it's just an image as text for me 😭
pdn moment
quick juniper
and the new size test image
this one
opaque umbra
@main kayak what do you think we should do with this thumbnail
lavish zealot
wxnder can u make the necessities text line and send it as a psd
quick juniper
users use screens at that size
lavish zealot
<@187719311920463873> what do you think we should do with this thumbnail
a 4th person has hit the thumbnail
opaque umbra
it should be readable at any screen size
quick juniper
and again, its the size like i literally cannot tell the letters apart
even if the resolution was 4k
lavish zealot
yeah its too small
quick juniper
its too small to see where it ends and where it starts 😭
proud roost
like this?
lavish zealot
should be just as big or bigger than the quality of life line
quick juniper
i feel like the problem is the persona 3 necessities text
opaque umbra
yeah
lavish zealot
like this?
now its too thin still i think
lavish zealot
i feel like the problem is the persona 3 necessities text
it is
proud roost
it's the best i can do considering i can't actually edit the text
light blaze
this shit is confusing lmao
quick juniper
well keep the qol line centered and make it just 1 line
lavish zealot
wxnder whats the font size u used for Quality of life
quick juniper
then make it a bit smaller bcs thats not the attention grabber
then separate the individual parts of p3n a bit
light blaze
wxnder whats the font size u used for Quality of life
FOT Skip STD E
lavish zealot
i said size ;-;
quick juniper
then make resize necessities text to match p3n size
light blaze
50 i believe
lavish zealot
can you not swap the font sizes of those 2 text lines
quick juniper
wanna redo myself
light blaze
I made everything at 1080p res
quick juniper
i meant the dimensions
light blaze
this is sure biting me in the ass
quick juniper
the resolution is fine
native geyser
like this?
there's no point for the middle text
lavish zealot
can you not swap the font sizes of those 2 text lines
this is all im asking
quick juniper
1080p should be more than readable
green island
nice cock, guys
quick juniper
thank you doors
opaque umbra
nice cock, guys
thank you doors i tried really hard for this cock
native geyser
why is the p3p qol modpack thread the horniest thing on this server 😔
opaque umbra
proud roost
not perfect but removing the text defintiely helps
quick juniper
that could work pretty well
light blaze
why is the p3p qol modpack thread the horniest thing on this server 😔
that's impossible rule 4 is no horny and we are rule abiding citizens
we're good persona modders😇
lavish zealot
i think having persona 3 necessities works better
light blaze
yeah that might be endgame
try 128 opacity, blend mode lighten
on the character portraits
light blaze
cuz that's what pdn has it to😭
quick juniper
my opacity maxes out at 100 too lmao
light blaze
max is 255
proud roost
lighten definitely doesn't work lol
placing it below the triangles just removes it entirely
proud roost
multiply vs overlay
quick juniper
like that?
btw whats the multiply layer's color in here
is it the triangle menu color?
light blaze
on both portraits pls I kinda like how it turns out lmao
proud roost
are you sure it's lighten?
proud roost
lighten definitely doesn't work lol
lighten does this with 100 opacity
even less visible with 47 opacity
light blaze
can you post like a screenshot
native geyser
multiply vs overlay
how does it look with a dark grey instead of black drop shadow?
proud roost
how does it look with a dark grey instead of black drop shadow?
about the same
quick juniper
is this any better for the protags?
proud roost
here's my psd again btw
quick juniper
might have to just get rid of the grid tbh it always ends up looking a bit too bright
proud roost
lol i had an idea for the grid
but it doesn't really show up
matpat crumpled paper background
opaque umbra
is this any better for the protags?
this one looks good
why is femc so zoomed in tho lol
proud roost
yeah they seem to be the same size now which is a lot better
quick juniper
i literally only altered layer settings lmao
light blaze
why is femc so zoomed in tho lol
that's how it is lol
quick juniper
can anyone try making these things have a lighter outline
and like send them to me
i dont have the base version
proud roost
i think this is pretty final for me
quick juniper
im gonna try to make my own version
the mod isnt ready yet right? wanna know if theres any hurry
proud roost
nah no hurry
opaque umbra
i like kris's version
i like the Persona 3 Necessities subtext
it just needs to be larger and more readable
proud roost
adding the text does make it look better yeah
light blaze
adding the text does make it look better yeah
ok I think this is it ngl
proud roost
still fits and everything
opaque umbra
bonq i love your saved games
light blaze
ok so me, BonQ, yuha, and Kris! will be labeled as thumbnail artists
and Sage/Joe as P3N name
light blaze
you did do the logo lol
proud roost
lightened the text just a smidge
quick juniper
oml these settings are so ass
bonq can you just send me your text
and if possible separate the outline layers
idk if thats possible
proud roost
uh i just did a drop shadow and stroke effect on the text
are those not options
lemme see what i can do
quick juniper
i tried to do stroke
but if you use a gradient on a stroke it counts the whole thing
like the gradient doesnt start from within the outline
quick juniper
i pretty much just want like a separate outline layer
but i dont think thats possible
if it isnt can you just make the outline be white
opaque umbra
N and Necessities are not the same color lmao
quick juniper
and give me that
proud roost
N and Necessities are not the same color lmao
yeah i did that for readibility on the page
opaque umbra
why not make them both brighter
proud roost
if it isnt can you just make the outline be white
are you able to open psds? i can send that?
quick juniper
yea
proud roost
why not make them both brighter
because i didn't think of that 😔
quick juniper
is it meant to not have the outline 😭
proud roost
yeah i can't change the color of the N sadly
light blaze
ik yall already decided but i fw what i made not too bad
looks like some 10 r old put text over a Persona 3 wallpaper and called it a day☠️
proud roost
looks like some 10 r old put text over a Persona 3 wallpaper and called it a day...
that is actually hella mean man
quick juniper
hows this
light blaze
looks like some 10 r old put text over a Persona 3 wallpaper and called it a day...
i replied to the wrong msg, but I think it looks good with the blur
quick juniper
ideally it should have a white outline
but
that is sadly not possible in my conditions 😭
light blaze
you can't invert the white colors?
lavish zealot
looks like some 10 r old put text over a Persona 3 wallpaper and called it a day...
??
light blaze
i replied to the wrong msg, but I think it looks good with the blur
I apologize 😭
light blaze
is it meant to not have the outline 😭
I meant that abt this one lol
lavish zealot
oh LOL
ok ya adjusted a teeny bit more but im done ill send the psd in a second if anyone wants to play around (warning: a lot of duplicate layers as back ups)
quick juniper
well heres mine, i cant really do much else myself
ideally someone could make the text have a lighter outline
proud roost
my only suggestion would be making the bottom text a single line
quick juniper
i would
proud roost
so it doesn't get cut off by gb's bad cropping
quick juniper
but the version you sent was broken
proud roost
oh
quick juniper
so i couldnt do anything
proud roost
damn, my bad
light blaze
better than when I had to duplicate a layer and resize it b4 I had plugins lmaoo
opaque umbra
i have zero plugins in pdn
lavish zealot
a
opaque umbra
i kinda forgot you can add those
proud roost
do we need to make an R2 thumbnail 🥹
proud roost
i have zero plugins in pdn
lock em up, send em to a psych ward
get the crazy person out of here
light blaze
I think it should be easy imo
opaque umbra
just make the r2 thumbnail P3N
light blaze
I'll make it rq
quick juniper
this is the best i can do 😭
quick juniper
well heres mine, i cant really do much else myself
anyways if someone wants to edit my version to be fully realized heres the psd
tmrw im gonna try to make my own version tho (not based on anything here)
quick juniper
but idrk how thatd turn out since this isnt just 1 thing
lavish zealot
theres gonna be a round 2 of this? 😭
quick juniper
usually my thumbnails have 1 focus
lavish zealot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1215507296763904051/1216580281130025050/why_is_my_pc_so_cursed.png?ex=6600e7ad&is=65ee72ad&hm=21427aadb36b1e1126206efd3498c63924b04da23139b09dbf1dfe5a33972216&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569187956561149953/1216579436410044477/P3N_is_real.png?ex=6600e6e4&is=65ee71e4&hm=8ad63aa6cb866d7be2f89bccebcadb694e30f27660e308e55a8d3bdf803da2a1&
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1215507296763904051/1216581195434037338/P3N_is_real.png?ex=6600e887&is=65ee7387&hm=b87632d0dfe6cc6177ad2ec46bf120a0502b1d5ad74d6b8686f516cdf29573b4&
all 3 together
opaque umbra
i like the third one, myself
lavish zealot
i shoulve made the quality of life modpack line bigger on mine too
lavish zealot
voting is so cruel 😭
lavish zealot
id rather brawler pick one and ask for adjustments as theyd like
barren narwhal
So what name did we decide on
opaque umbra
i was a fan of CUM
barren narwhal
I also looked boobs
opaque umbra
but they wanted a kinda serious one
lavish zealot
p3n is technically p3nis
barren narwhal
I should make my p1 Modpack and call it PIE
loud plover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1215507296763904051/1216580281130025050...
i like 3 the most but I would probably take the P3N logo from 2 and the splash text from 1
barren narwhal
PSP resolution
loud plover
bonq reference?
proud roost
still fits and everything
yeah
lavish zealot
i mean it fits but u still need to get close to ur monitor to physically read it
barren narwhal
lavish zealot
maybe necessities is too long of a word 
lavish zealot
did u save my picture 😭
barren narwhal
did u save my picture 😭
Maybe
proud roost
just make the text wider?
loud plover
i like 3 the most but I would probably take the P3N logo from 2 and the splash t...
with this, the P3N logo gets smaller (but the Persona3 Necessities below it stays the same size) and the splash text location is just slightly changed so I think it should be readable still
lavish zealot
its fine as a word but kills me on the thumbnail
barren narwhal
thats not a maybe
proud roost
with this, the P3N logo gets smaller (but the Persona3 Necessities below it stay...
that should e doable
lavish zealot
isnt quality of life straightforward enough
opaque umbra
lavish zealot
i havent seen anyone use it in a different context ever
opaque umbra
quality-of-life is the proper way to write it
lavish zealot
I guess
green island
funeral rites
proud roost
smaller than this?
opaque umbra
that looks good
loud plover
i would also slightly increase the spacing between P3N and Persona3 Necessities slightly but that's just me
proud roost
yeah i think that helps just a smidge
lavish zealot
thats why i did the frosted glass effect on mine lol
an actual box is too distracting
opaque umbra
that gap seems quite large
can you get a mid-point between the former and the current, bonq
loud plover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1215507296763904051/1216580281130025050...
and as i said before i do prefer the text in the first version where it's got Modpack on the second line
proud roost
yeah it'll get cut off
loud plover
oh ok
loud plover
gotcha
ok we can leave it be then
nah i just liked how it looked more lol
in GB does the thumbnail get centered?
opaque umbra
that looks good to me
proud roost
do we need to make an R2 thumbnail? are we still going for that dummy package for updates and stuff?
loud plover
ok now you need to reduce the resolution to 480x272 then run it through waifu2x
loud plover
do we need to make an R2 thumbnail? are we still going for that dummy package fo...
I'm still debating how to do that tbh but if I go the R2 modpack route, R2 does offer thumbnails for those
proud roost
alrighty
ill leave the R2 stuff to wxnder since i kinda took over their stuff haha
lavish zealot
^^
loud plover
ty for the help 
loud plover
does the idea of releasing QOL collection as a separate mod (basically the init.bin mods) and then having P3N as a modpack sound reasonable? or should the only release be P3N? just want your guys' thoughts
if I'm using the R2 modpack option, then QOL collection should be released as a separate mod but I still haven't tested it yet haha
my concern with dummy mods is mainly overwriting mods that someone might already have
ebon shore
A separate mod makes sense to me. It'd still be useful to people who already have a mods setup
ebon shore
🙃
loud plover
anyone want to test this mod, make sure nothing is missing? it should have localization fixes (can be checked by looking for maragion instead of maragilao), HD audio SFX (self explanatory, defeat a shadow), and useful descs (check any skill desc)
there should be a toggle for useful descs to enable/disable it but I haven't tested it lol
also @light blaze if you're up for another thumbnail..... otherwise I'll throw something together but it definitely won't be as good
lavish zealot
ill leave the R2 stuff to wxnder since i kinda took over their stuff haha
i was gonna offer one too but this^
light blaze
also <@710329149889314817> if you're up for another thumbnail..... otherwise I'l...
should be easy imo unless someone makes smth b4 me lol
loud plover
that would be great
quick juniper
tmrw im gonna try to make my own version tho (not based on anything here)
ok nvm im not gonna be able to do that at all
ended up having way less time than i thought
loud plover
mood...
light blaze
I just got my new laptop so I might need a bit of time to setup pdn and everything else
once I'm done with that it's thumbnail time
green island
ended up having way less time than i thought
Relatable
light blaze
alr I think I'm finished so I'll go ahead n start working on it
loud plover
I like the general icon you've got there but I'm not sure I totally vibe with the background
like you did a good job with it, it's just I'm not sure how I feel about using a frame of gameplay like that lol
light blaze
ahhh ok, what do you recommend? 
loud plover
good question
light blaze
I wanted to use a P3P event bg but I didn't wanna dig thru a fuck ton of files
loud plover
portable isn't exactly a very visually pleasing game is it now...
loud plover
is there a blur effect on that bg or is it just that low res
light blaze
the former
loud plover
it kinda looks a bit like the latter haha
light blaze
true!!
loud plover
I'm also kinda curious how it would look if it was a screenshot from FEMC route instead (and maybe pink or some other FEMC color to account for that)
since that's the only reason to play P3P nowadays lol
light blaze
ooh good idea, I'll just edit this one and make it pink lol
wait fuck I forgot abt the bg
loud plover
FEMC plush is also gray lol (but I support leaving her in there)
light blaze
alr I fixed both femker from being gray and the bg lol
but i forgot the fucking blur
third
loud plover
can you increase the blur so it doesn't just look low res?
light blaze
here's one with more blur
loud plover
that looks a little better
proud roost
hmmmm
maybe make the P pink like femc?
oh and btw
is the qol collection supposed to outright replace all of the original mods?
or just merge the offending parts?
loud plover
the former
proud roost
and it goes here yeah?
below HD audio sfx?
oh wait no
backwards, above
like that
working?
ok yeah it's working
actually aren't there supposed to be numbers with the skill data descriptions?
yeah no useful descriptions isn't working even with it flipped to true or false
ok yeah it is working
i just had to remove the init.bin file from HD Audio SFX
proud roost
the former
if it's supposed to replace the original mods, why is it missing stuff from HD Audio SFX lol
barren narwhal
here's one with more blur
What if we add 30 more femkers
light blaze
femker overload
loud plover
that's odd lol
I think I might've pulled from an older version but I assume the init.bin has stayed untouched? so I'll just go update it when I get home
just to go into a bit of detail regarding the current issues:
- HD audio SFX edits init.bin. it only works if it does not use merging. for... some reason. because P3P 23 is dogshit i guess
- any mod that edits init.bin either overwrites HD audio SFX (if it has higher priority or if it uses merging) or gets overwritten (if it is lower priority AND does not use merging)
- P3P audio is fucked and I don't think there's sufficient interest in finding a way to fix it
QOL collection exists to eliminate that issue from the 3 most useful and important mods for P3P that edit init.bin
fallow shard
Doing God's work
loud plover
figured the least I could do is try to help make this game the experience that it should've been :p
loud plover
anyone want to test this mod, make sure nothing is missing? it should have local...
if anyone else wants to test this just to make sure it's not fucked, lmk haha
only known issue rn is that it's missing some files from HD audio SFX but I will fix that
opaque umbra
i mean it's kinda basic imo
that may not be a bad thing depending on who you ask
but the gb thumbnail is so flashy in comparison
loud plover
true...
proud roost
i think that's a fine enough thumbnail
maybe just make it bigger so it's easier to read
loud plover
proud roost
doesn't need to be super flashy, the gb thumbnail is what draws them in
opaque umbra
alright that's pretty based
loud plover
mod is ready for release technically i was just hoping it could be tested more first
also probably good to get an obsolescence notice on the standalone mods
oh wait i need to update with new hd audio sfx files actually
loud plover
didnt realize there was so much more added
light blaze
yeah, that's thanks to GabiShy and Purpa😅 💯 🙏
loud plover
once i drop this mod i'll give you all edit perms lol, then i'll move on to getting the mod pack together
light blaze
ight bet tyty🙏 🙏 🙏
I might go ahead n fix some other shit if I can
I'll probably have to replay P3P for that but it is what it is lmao
loud plover
and again, if you could throw an obsolescence notice on the old mod, that would be great
light blaze
yeah fs, I'll do that as soon as it's uploaded👍
loud plover
just so people dont get confused
light blaze
I'll link to the new one as well
proud roost
testing the mod now
loud plover
coool thanks
proud roost
also gonna test if it works with find a friend because that uses MSG.TBL too
proud roost
would it be placed above or below though 
proud roost
works when above
loud plover
when QOL is above find a friend?
proud roost
find a friend is above qol
proud roost
testing that now
seems to work when it's below too
- vars show up for find a friend
maragion shows up, same with descriptions
proud roost
loud plover
all i need to put is
- dont use any of the old mods
- dont use any mods that edit init.bin
oh can you turn off useful desc too and lmk if that works?
huh? this doesn't sound right
oh i guess if this mod pulls from hd audio, and if hd audio pulls from fes models, it would be worth contacting pio....
is anyone able to contact them and ask?
proud roost
huh? this doesn't sound right
the mod includes Pios models
so that might be wrong
it should be placed above the FES mod in load order or else you’ll have bad internal voice lines
barren narwhal
all i need to put is
- dont use any of the old mods
- dont use any mods that ed...
Here's the thing, most people don't actually know what files a mod changes like the people asking for help installing manual inheritance using mod compendium on their laptop from the year 2000 don't know what an init.bin is
loud plover
it should be placed above the FES mod in load order or else you’ll have bad inte...
yeah that's what i was thinking
loud plover
Here's the thing, most people don't actually know what files a mod changes like ...
true, but it's still better to mention it than not
opaque umbra
i believe i still have pio as a friend on discord
loud plover
let me know what you hear. hopefully they say yes, otherwise that's gonna be annoying lol
opaque umbra
what am i asking him?
loud plover
can we use his fes models for SEES in this mod
loud plover
yeah
like i would assume it'd be fine since this mod is just packaging these 3 mods together but it can't hurt to ask
barren narwhal
Haven't heard that name in a while
opaque umbra
i made sure to specify you won't be modifying the mod other than making it compatible with hq sounds
lol
loud plover
hopefully that should help
opaque umbra
i think he's picky about people repackaging his mods
loud plover
his files are completely unmodified anyways
light blaze
i think he's picky about people repackaging his mods
yeah I remember smth like that
loud plover
if it's an issue, we just use hd audio sfx as a base instead lol
but I'm hoping that won't be necessary
light blaze
I really hope it's fine but if not then idk what we're gonna do
opaque umbra
i think it was bonq or someone who tried asking if their work could be merged with pios and he said "no"
so bonq had to redo all of pio's stuff themself
light blaze
yeah I think it was BonQ
loud plover
we'll get there when we get there
light blaze
true
loud plover
hopefully it will not be an issue, since there are no model edits
opaque umbra
ye
light blaze
I agree but tbf it is his work, he can do what he wants with it even if he isn't willing to do doing anything with em anymore
as shitty and unfortunate as that sounds😔
but who knows, might be like what Brawler says and he agrees cuz we don't plan on touching em
barren narwhal
I understand if it's something that he made himself but if it's porting a model to a game then like anyone could do that, he doesn't own the models
opaque umbra
pio was like... the model guy
light blaze
plus FES models are a pain in the ass to get working properly.. from what I've read
opaque umbra
the only thing that still makes me a little mad
is that pio made some tools to aid in modding the persona games
but he made the code closed-source
magic geyser
you can batch port fes models
light blaze
well then forget what I said ☠️ 😭
magic geyser
thats actually what he did
loud plover
so like, he was ultimately the one to port the FES models over and even if they aren't his models, he was the one who performed the work. so if he ultimately says no then i won't use those files and we'll have to find another solution.
of course, if someone else were to hypothetically port over the FES models and then hypothetically give permission for those models to be used...
opaque umbra
idk max, pio's picky about copyright lmao
magic geyser
he's really not
he has weird ass licenses that like, are probably not legal
but the only times he's said no to people using his assets is mixing them with others
hes let people port his mods to p3ppc and p4g64 for instance 
loud plover
this one is technically asset mixing although it's not mixing his models and other models
so if he was fine with hd audio sfx maybe this will be ok too
light blaze
if he gave perms for HD Audio SFX technically speaking he gave perms for this too since it's essentially just the same mod with some other QoL features added in lmaoo🧠 /j
opaque umbra
loud plover
or he just says yes to this one and there's nothing to worry about
magic geyser
im not really sure a qol modpack should include fes models to begin with though, they have very different art directions
loud plover
could add a toggle to use FES/P3P models. since the HQ sounds are embedded in the GMOs anyways
loud plover
I'm guessing the voice lines are higher quality?
barren narwhal
Modding
loud plover
don't ask me i didn't make the hd audio mod
i cant see any other reason though why models had to be included in hd audio sfx :p
magic geyser
.beds have audio in them but those dont need gmos and are loaded externally
not to mention if you replaced the voice lines you just broke subs because we cant dual encode vags
barren narwhal
.beds is an amazing filetype name
loud plover
.vag is my favorite one
loud plover
not to mention if you replaced the voice lines you just broke subs because we ca...
oh, true, and that would be a problem 🤔
do we rly not have tools for that?
magic geyser
unless you want to break into sony, nope
loud plover
we'll just ask very nicely
barren narwhal
So the plan goes very well
@tranquil kite can you ask your frens at atlus for some code from 2006
barren narwhal
.vag is my favorite one
I feel like there's a masturbation joke to be made here but I can't think of one
loud plover
anyways are the FES voice lines really that much better than the P3P ones?
light blaze
anyways are the FES voice lines *really* that much better than the P3P ones?
in some cases yeah
barren narwhal
Lower qualify
Quality
Wouldn't that be weird going from hqish lines to PSP lines from 2009 in the same scene
opaque umbra
fes lines are 24000hz
portable lines are 21500hz
light blaze
LTSophia has given me permission to use some of her audio upscales from P3P in use with Tiny Tweaks, so if I ask her she might give me permission to change out Portable’s
I took a listen to them and believe me or not but they sound better than the raw P3P files
barren narwhal
The real question is
light blaze
they sound a bit better than FES’ own lines
barren narwhal
Do you think anyone will notice
light blaze
they sound a bit better than FES’ own lines
and thats just the Portable lines
light blaze
Do you think anyone will notice
most likely not but there will always be someone to complain lmaooo
barren narwhal
Cause I feel like not many people would notice the difference with the BGM, any sound effects, the players reading the text idk
barren narwhal
most likely not but there will always be someone to complain lmaooo
Just say it used the HQ lines and use the P3P ones
See how long it takes for someone to notice
loud plover
long description woooooo
tranquil kite
<@456226577798135808> can you ask your frens at atlus for some code from 2006
Go away
loud plover
use merging for the model pacs, simple
we're about to make stock P3P 23 sound good 🔥
opaque umbra
if you make p3ppc kinda good i might bite the bullet and play it one time
barren narwhal
we're about to make stock P3P 23 sound good 🔥
What if we replace the summoning SFX with the peashooter SFX from pvz
barren narwhal
if you make p3ppc kinda good i *might* bite the bullet and play it *one* time
P3pp
loud plover
if you make p3ppc kinda good i *might* bite the bullet and play it *one* time
i mean this mod alone should make it pretty decent
the modpack itself is really just that - a modpack
you can also build said modpack yourself
opaque umbra
i could
barren narwhal
What if we get a mod lucky dip where whenever you boot the game it loads a random mod
opaque umbra
but it's p3p
loud plover
honestly it's not even that bad of an experience
genuinely
like once you get in mods to fix the shitty aspects of it
barren narwhal
P3ppc is fine
loud plover
which i know sounds silly
but everyone complains about P3P being a VN
and it's rly not that bad
opaque umbra
oh yeah quick question
loud plover
it's still P3
opaque umbra
weren't you considering adding pixellated backgrounds?
loud plover
not to this mod, but to the pack yeah
barren narwhal
barren narwhal
weren't you considering adding pixellated backgrounds?
Add pixelguin backgrounds instead
barren narwhal
Yes
light blaze
🙏🙏🙏
loud plover
switch can't use the best mod available for P3P 😔 https://gamebanana.com/mods/440681
actually i guess you could
it's just file replacement right
i just cant be assed lol
barren narwhal
I don't wanna modchip my OLED to replace Akihiko's AOA portrait
loud plover
but his confidence is gone,,,,,
look at how irrational and angry he looks
he is NOT ready to kill those shadows
barren narwhal
If you were in persona 3 portable would you be confident
opaque umbra
switch can't use the best mod available for P3P 😔 https://gamebanana.com/mods/...
i didn't realize this was your mod
loud plover
if i were a boxer and all shadows were downed in front of me? absolutely i'd be confident
barren narwhal
if i were a boxer and all shadows were downed in front of me? absolutely i'd be ...
Yeah but you're in p3p
loud plover
i didn't realize this was your mod <:dark:1170927971037610064>
the shocking thing to me is that no one ever made this mod prior lol
p3p is ez
i'd win
opaque umbra
if i were in p3p then i'd have a hard time cuz i struggle to read things
loud plover
so here's what I'm thinking: the model files aren't too big and we don't have tools to dual encode .vag files. soooo
- include P3P models with better audio + a toggle between dub/sub, either in R2 config or perhaps by checking the game's voice language and pulling the appropriate models based on that (I would need help for that one though)
- if pio says yes, then include options for FES models
now I don't really know what voice lines were changed or if there are HQ Japanese voice lines, someone else will have to let me know
proud roost
so here's what I'm thinking: the model files aren't too big and we don't have to...
first one definitely isn’t possible i don’t think
while it is most definitely a bit flag like everything else in that config menu
controlling which models are loaded is something else entirely
lavish zealot
🎉
loud plover
controlling which models are loaded is something else entirely
I think it would be possible with a code mod? would need to take advantage of hot reload though
at the very least, an R2 config would make it possible to choose which you want to use before boot
proud roost
how does hot reload even work anyways
i think i accidentally did it once when adding music files but it made the game freeze so i closed it down 💀
loud plover
yeah it might not be worth the effort
my big BGME Battle Themes mods use hot reload but Rena coded it
loud plover
@light blaze or whoever, were all sounds for the characters changed or just some? still trying to think about how i should tackle this one
light blaze
if I remember correctly it was all of them, but I gotta make sure later
loud plover
only english too right? any chance of HQ japanese voices?
light blaze
I’m not too sure, but I remember them not being HQ
loud plover
alright, i'll probably offer the option of P3P English, P3F English, or default models
loud plover
(have i missed anyone btw)
quick juniper
btw how is this gonna work, i know the mod itself is 3 mods merged into one bcs they conflict, but what about the other mods since its gonna be a mod list?
loud plover
separate page, separate download
my thought is that I could use the R2 modlist option, but if that doesn't work then I will use dummy packages
lavish zealot
ok so me, BonQ, yuha, and Kris! will be labeled as thumbnail artists
this is what wxnder said about the thumbnail art but it also depends on what thumbnail you went with ^-^
i dont really care that much i just edited the N in the logo lmfao
but everyone did contribute to the brainstorming of the thumbnail 
i think im overthinking it
ebon shore
You are in the Persona Modding discord server
quick juniper
i dont really care that much i just edited the N in the logo lmfao
but everyone...
yeah i also don't really care, i couldn't finish my ver bcs of my program anyways lol
and telling wxnder to use multiply isn't really helping make it
loud plover
I'll credit you guys with the modpack proper, this is the QOL collection mod though I will need a reminder for the modpack
unless you guys also helped with that thumbnail and i just wasnt aware of it but i thought only wxnder helped with this one
huh
lavish zealot
OH for the collection mb then yeah wxnder made that thumbnail alone c:
quick juniper
ohhh i get it now
btw you should totally definitely include skill fusion spells (it totally doesnt break the game by adding armageddon spam back in)
(and also thunder call spam back in)
loud plover
i love armageddon spam!
should be the last test version assuming there are no issues, but this is untested right now and i added a few new features here
ebon shore
I'm sorry you had to learn this way
It's a hard thing to find out that you're a Persona modder
opaque umbra
it's worse to find out you're a moderator/admin of persona modding
opaque umbra
me too
barren narwhal
sadly no one has yet found a cure for those suffering from Persona Modder, the only thing we can do is pray for their recovery and keep our friends and families safe from this awful pandemic
proud roost
should be the last test version assuming there are no issues, but this is untest...
testing now
loud plover
well, how was it?
proud roost
i meant to say something but
forgot to test it 💀
i will test after i eat dinner real quick
it's already downloaded
proud roost
does this mean it's using the HQ music models if P3F model port isn't enabled, and not if it is enabled?
don't we want to use them regardless
loud plover
does this mean it's using the HQ music models if P3F model port isn't enabled, a...
- if P3F model port isn't detected, it uses P3P models with HQ sounds
- if it is detected, it uses P3F models with HQ sounds
loud plover
(note P3F model port needs to be above this mod in load order)
bc it depends on this mod detecting P3F model port
otherwise you get P3F models without HQ sounds
magic geyser
isnt the hq files inside p3p bloat anyway since both are 24k
p3p just has the bug of being lq with external stuff since the p3p vags have jpn and eng inside em?
Does p3f have alternate voicelines or something the hq mod uses?
loud plover
I thought the P3F models in HQ audio SFX had different lines. if they don't then that makes this a bit easier
magic geyser
I listened to a few and they matched but idk for sure lmao
loud plover
I'm also not sure if the model paks have the same thing going on as with init.bin where if you repackage them as is, they sound better lol
opaque umbra
p3p just has the bug of being lq with external stuff since the p3p vags have jpn...
p3p vags
that is my favorite file extension
proud roost
i thought they repacked them with the P3F sounds because P3F is 24k while P3P is 22050
magic geyser
psp is
pc is re-encoded files and a new vag version with 2 of them slapped on top of each other
loud plover
I'll do some testing tomorrow to check how they all sound, if they sound the same then that should cut down file size a bit
barren narwhal
that is my favorite file extension
What about .sex
Yes that is a real file extention
Used in a program called Alpha Five
tardy widget
I thought the P3F models in HQ audio SFX had different lines. if they don't then...
I stuck to how Portable rearranged things, but replaced the audio in them with P3F audio
rather than just having the P3F lines converted to the PSP format as-is, P3P does some real weird rearranging and has the occasional line that's split into two files or replaced entirely
i.e. Makoto has some odd mishmash of his voice lines for his various removed weapon types being used for just the standard swords
so I tried to recreate whatever mess P3P already had in there, albeit not at 22050 crunch
tardy widget
<@710329149889314817> or whoever, were all sounds for the characters changed or ...
It was only some, on account of P3P having some seemingly completely new lines/grunts in there
used what I could from FES otherwise fwiw
loud plover
hmm i see. mudkip was saying the PC port uses higher quality files 🤔
barren narwhal
It was only some, on account of P3P having some seemingly completely new lines/g...
I hate the "Persona!" Line they added for Yukari it sounds like she's having the worst voice crack in the middle
It's like
Ó
s na
er
P
barren narwhal
The O is supposed to be in front of the s but discord dum dum
loud plover
I'm gonna be honest I cannot tell the difference here between the first two
HD audio SFX for me fucks the sound quality. i thought it was a fluke bc I'd done something wrong with QOL collection, but that clip is with the current release of HD Audio SFX (QOL collection disabled)
no i think I agree
what is this game even
the third one is noticeably worse, the 1st two it's so hard to tell
like i can't tell if it's just me being biased bc of the order or what
to me it seems like the best solution is to just stick with stock models
(aka don't package any models)
seems weird though bc either wxnder or purpa or someone else was saying that the hd audio sfx models sounded better
proud roost
we gotta pool our money together and pay swine to figure it out
so it's worth their while
loud plover
lmaooooo
i hate this game so much fr like wtf is wrong with it
new build that doesnt include the fes voice clips
if no one finds any issues with this, I'll upload it
tardy widget
I'm gonna be honest I cannot tell the difference here between the first two
I genuinely can't hear the difference between these tbh
of course, having the music and the charge sound cutting in over what she's saying isn't helping
loud plover
that third one sounds noticeably worse, the first two idk but it seems negligible
you're not wrong though but it took me a while to get all those clips 😭
light blaze
I genuinely can't hear the difference between these tbh
I only noticed the new lines are louder
but tbf I heard the vid thru speakers
tardy widget
currently wondering dafuq is going on tbh
In the last one Brawler sent that had them, the .VAG clips are the FES replacements I did
and if I rip them again from the compiled model pacs, they sound less compressed than the P3P ones, if only slightly
what is P3P's audio playback on for them to end up sounding rough ingame 💀
loud plover
but tbf I heard the vid thru speakers
yeah I made sure to listen with headphones so I could best tell the difference lol
I'm curious what's going on too bc idk what sort of format they're using for P3P lol
like doing the whole "replace files with themselves" thing makes it sound comparable
lavish zealot
i wouldnt necessarily say the 3rd voiceline is worse - its just.. louder?
but the first two are definitely the same lmao
tardy widget
I can confirm that the FES lines tend to be louder, albeit not enough to drown anything out
considering the sheer amount of lines in the model pacs for SEES in general, I didn't wanna bother with volume checking each and every line tbh
loud plover
I'll probably just exclude the models from the files bc their sound quality ingame is clearly worse for.... some fucking reason wtf atlus
probably good to release at this point right 🤔
barren narwhal
we love atlus
proud roost
this still happening?
opaque umbra
p3n
proud roost
p3nisrael
opaque umbra
abstract drum
loud plover
this still happening?
yes.
I'll try to release QOL collection today. but I've been traveling this weekend for easter so it's been a little hectic
I'll admit I did also forget about it
loud plover
ooopssss i forgot again ✨ anyways I did a few final things and finally made the mod public https://gamebanana.com/mods/501202
so that takes care of this pack, once FEMC cutscenes is complete I'd like to release the modpack itself alongside that (or shortly after)
lavish zealot
🎉
neptune estimated that after the OP is done it'll take one more month for the cutscenes mod to finish, so theres still time
loud plover
yeah that's kinda why I've been putting it off ngl lol
but sounds good, gives me time indeed 😎
lavish zealot
chill as you please lol theres literally 0 rush
loud plover
oh yeah @light blaze could you mark obsolescence for hd audio sfx
light blaze
will do, sorry if Im a bit late I was out driving
loud plover
no worries
light blaze
alright, it's done!
loud plover
ty
crisp furnace
I noticed that some sfx are using their compressed counterparts instead of their higher quality versions. Mainly the sounds that play for the dark hour transition (the ticking and clock shatter), the sound that plays for battle transitions, and the sound that plays when leveling up
I haven't noticed anything else so far
loud plover
hmm was that the case with the original HD SFX or no 🤔
crisp furnace
I'd have to check, I only bought p3p on pc recently lol
crisp furnace
just tested it, can confirm that its the same there
loud plover
damn 😔
proud roost
@light blaze maybe look into that?
light blaze
ik for a fact that I changed the lvl up sfx to the p3fes equivalent
maybe it’s smth else that’s breaking 🤔
I’ll take a look later regardless, maybe smth got fucked in the new ver or smth🤷♂️
loud plover
gotta figure out how to give you edit access
opaque umbra
Admin > Permits
loud plover
cool I'll do it when I'm back on my computer
loud plover
got the edit access stuff done.
I messed a little bit with R2 modpacks, and they are pretty cool conceptually, but you can't set mod order, which is a little unfortunate. granted, I'm unsure how many mods actually do require a specific load order, but I think that could prove to be troublesome...
gaunt hamlet
You plan to fix the audio mixing issues?
loud plover
what audio mixing issues? like the quality of sound effects or?
opaque umbra
sound effects are loud across all p3 versions, it's not a port issue
opaque umbra
oh?
gaunt hamlet
If you compare the files from the vanilla P3P from your mod you’ll probably notice
loud plover
okay. I'll take a closer look tomorrow then.
when you say vanilla P3P do you mean PSP or PC?
the audio files are also unchanged from HD audio SFX 😔
gaunt hamlet
Both
gaunt hamlet
the audio files are also unchanged from HD audio SFX 😔
I remember they were present there too
loud plover
gg
a "quick" fix I could do is revert all sound effects to vanilla
due to the way the mod improves playback quality, it would still be an improvement lmao
opaque umbra
we could get @light blaze to fix the volume
light blaze
opaque umbra
haii wxnder :3
light blaze
haii wxnder :3
btw I voted for you on brawler's tournament TWICE💯
loud plover
I guess if the mixing is bad then I'll probably opt to import the vanilla P3P sound files back in because I don't want to change potentially hundreds of sound files 😭
hopefully it's just the stuff in init.bin
otherwise I might cry
loud plover
😭
you're up against someone with like 5k followers you're doing pretty well all things considered haha
light blaze
idk how I'm doing against MosQ I dont wanna check 😭
loud plover
you're winning by quite a bit right now
back on topic: I'm not aware of any P3P PC mods that require a specific load order. the only ones where it mattered are now in QOL Collection. if that's the case then I should be able to use the R2 mod pack feature without any issues. does that sound right or can anyone think of anything specific?
loud plover
is that so?
loud plover
that's good to know regardless
loud plover
the other thing is that mod pack files don't have 1 click support since they can't be uploaded directly to GB. not really sure how to fix that 🤔