BGME (Music customization for P4G 64-bit, P3P, and P5R)

[rigid snow]

i do not 😭

do you even see bgme battle themes in your mod list?

[next sparrow]

I’ll check again but I did

[rigid snow]

the newest version uses 0.15f since it removed a setting that lowered it to 0.5f at the start

[next sparrow]

And I heard mass destruction

[zinc patio]

kill this folder

[fervent falcon]

Got it

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See?

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases, it'll fix issues with game BGM being lowered

[fervent falcon]

Thanks

[next sparrow]

As you can see, the game folders are in framework not battle themes

[rigid snow]

they're in both, they share code for stuff like this

have you launched the game at all?

[next sparrow]

Yes!

Ok let me

Launch it again

Just to be safe

I’ll do a battle or two

Close out

Then check again

[rigid snow]

dont have to do that, just main menu is enough

files are built on launch

[next sparrow]

Ok

Will do

[rigid snow]

did you make this a new mod? you didn't forget to add mod dependency on bgme battle themes?

[next sparrow]

The mod is my personal music mod

….but I may need to add dependency to BGME battle themes.

Game is booting so let me see

It’s weird tho cause when I tried it, Mass destruction OG played

Just quiet

[rigid snow]

battle themes will ignore any mod without a direct dependency...

[next sparrow]

……hold on

Okay quick question, I have two different BGME Battle Themes mods rn, do I delete the old version???

Cause otherwise the mod will depend on both versions since they’re named the same

Should I just rename the P3R one?

[rigid snow]

only keep the P3R one, it's the latest version

[next sparrow]

Ok, let me boot up again and see if volume is normal

If not then I will download the new Ryo

If it is then I might’ve wasted your time, sorry

[prisma notch]

does the randomizer work yet, i can get it to randomize the main battle, but nothing plays on advantage or disadvantage in P3R

(btw i tested it in p3p and it worked)

const myRandomBgm2 = random_song(2000, 2012)
const myRandomBgm3 = random_song(3000, 3007)

encounter["Normal Battles"]:
  music = battle_bgm(myRandomBgm, myRandomBgm2, myRandomBgm3)
end```
pme btw

[next sparrow]

Ok I think it actually is normal now.

Now that it actually…. Is using proper dependencies

Oops

[rigid snow]

i'll never forgive this just means there should be some kinda guide or FAQ

[next sparrow]

But yeah

Thanks lol

[rigid snow]

it should, by nothing you mean muted audio or only uses the normal music?

[prisma notch]

No audio besides diolouge and sfx

i can spell i swear

[next sparrow]

The new Ryo you pushed may or may not be needed, my volume is low rn cause I can’t super duper test volume tooooo much cause roommate is sleeping

Definitely push that BGME update though

The one that fixes the cue path thing or w/e

[rigid snow]

any errors in the console window?

[prisma notch]

no

but it doesnt even call a cue

for music

nothing is called at player id 0

which is why i thought it was a bgme thing

[rigid snow]

could you post the log (or copy and paste from console)

[prisma notch]

give me a sec

[rigid snow]

OH

wait you on steam?

[prisma notch]

ye

[rigid snow]

did you download the version on github or gamebanana?

[prisma notch]

gamebanana

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That’ll do it

[prisma notch]

bgme framework p3r

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases

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rena pushed a new update to GitHub like 20 mins ago

That fixes that

[rigid snow]

^

[prisma notch]

oh did this like just get fixed

lmao

[next sparrow]

Yes

Also you need the API

to make this work

FYI

[prisma notch]

i do have that

[rigid snow]

the api is already included

[next sparrow]

Oh right theme different

I saw grey and was like “huh”

[rigid snow]

should post that update yeah lol

[prisma notch]

2.0 or p3r1.0

or both

[rigid snow]

bgme.framework.p3r

[prisma notch]

thats wild that the gamepass version was figured out first

ok it just kept playing the tartarus theme once i got into battle

[next sparrow]

How is your battle themes mod set up right now

[prisma notch]

from scratch

[rigid snow]

enable bgme framework manually

[prisma notch]

im using a script not using the battle themes mod itself

[prisma notch]

.

[rigid snow]

for technical reasons i can't have a dependency on it for it to auto-enable

[prisma notch]

the original bgme framework

?

[next sparrow]

Oh btw turns out I did install the Ryo patch

With the louder music

So

Use that after all, it didn’t seem too loud to me

[rigid snow]

original?

[next sparrow]

I can more thoroughly test tomorrow, but

[next sparrow]

Presumably meaning framework and not battle themes

[rigid snow]

oh yeah, original

[prisma notch]

no i mean there are two different frameworks

bgme.p3r

and bgme

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Oh

[rigid snow]

you should only be seeing one in reloaded?

[prisma notch]

yea the first in the list is only enabled for P5R

[rigid snow]

they're two different mods, you have to enable in P3R

[prisma notch]

these are my depedencys for my mod

[rigid snow]

yeah that's fine if this is for P3R only

[prisma notch]

it is

[rigid snow]

you only need a dependency on bgme for p3r in that case

[next sparrow]

But battle themes needs to have a dependency on the API

Don’t forget that

[prisma notch]

im not using battle themes

[next sparrow]

But do you wanna use battle themes?

[rigid snow]

it does not, and if it does lmk

[next sparrow]

If not then you don’t need it

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I thought you said to make sure it has that dependency?

[prisma notch]

i am trying to overhaul the whole audio system

dont worry about them all being adx

[next sparrow]

Or that something has it as a dependency by default

Smth

[rigid snow]

BGME Battle Themes needs that dependency, and should have it unless something went wrong somewhere. Mods using BGME Battle Themes only need a dependency on BGME Battle Themes.

[prisma notch]

and none are encrypted yet either

[next sparrow]

Yes

That’s what I meant

Hence me saying “battles themes” needs a dependency on API

Maybe I should’ve specified I meant BGME battle themes

Lol

[rigid snow]

but it should have it by default, you should never have to manually change another mod's dependencies 99% of the time

[next sparrow]

Mhm

[rigid snow]

if so, let them know because something broke somewhere 😭

[next sparrow]

But yeah, other than removing the scary red text yelling about being unable to find PlayBGM, I think you could push the BGME update to GB

[prisma notch]

ignore the eldridge demon screeching, the adxs are not encrypted yet

but this shows the problem

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What is your music script right now

[prisma notch]

.

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And is this meant to be a BGME battle themes script or a BGME framework script

[prisma notch]

framework

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Ok, I’m gonna be real, it’s 1000 times easier to do battle music randomization with BGME Battle Themes

[prisma notch]

yea but i dont wanna

[next sparrow]

1. Why
2. If you don’t wanna, why do you have BGME battle themes

[prisma notch]

1. its screwy when replacing other game music (i have a hatred of club escapades music) i also want to randomize the daily themes and dorm themes
2. its for p4golden and not enabled on this

it looks like it is calling the right song
[Ryo (P3R)] [INF] criAtomExPlayer_SetCueName || Player ID: 0 || 2003

[next sparrow]

You can use both framework and battle themes

They don’t conflict unless they’re both trying to do battle music

[prisma notch]

OHHHH

i just figured it out

[rigid snow]

im trying to remember what can cause this but maybe you figured it out

[prisma notch]

i think

[rigid snow]

what was it?

[prisma notch]

[Ryo (P3R)] [INF] criAtomExPlayer_SetCueName || Player ID: 0 || link_60

this is the call for the victory music

it starts with the link_

[prisma notch]

the battle music doesnt

[rigid snow]

oh, it's not that

[prisma notch]

they have link in the name so idk

[rigid snow]

link_60 is just the name the game uses for music, BGME also uses a name but it's just the cue id, no link

in your log, do you see Ryo assigning your music near the start?

[prisma notch]

i just closed the gameeeee

but yes it does

and i did check and it assigns everything

[rigid snow]

when you enter battl

oh, let me check

doesn't have it, when you enter battle does Ryo mention redirecting a cue?

[prisma notch]

yes

[rigid snow]

can you post the full log

[prisma notch]

give me just a sec to test my theory

MY THEORY WAS RIGHT

it worked

[rigid snow]

what the link thing???

[prisma notch]

yep

[rigid snow]

?????????

[prisma notch]

removing link from custom assignments

[rigid snow]

OH YOU ALREADY HAD LINK ADDED

[prisma notch]

because the random is calling for song 2003 not link_2003

[rigid snow]

i thought you meant you wanted to test adding link to the name, which would make the BGME not find it

lol

[prisma notch]

i am gunna bump the cue ids for standard fights up to 4000 so it doesnt conflict with the existing dlc

[neat mason]

my brain combusted when i looked at how it works

[rigid snow]

that'll conflict with battle themes, if you ever end up using it/a mod that does (it's configurable for battle themes though)

[prisma notch]

i rarely use mods besides frameworks

everything else i choose to make myself

[rigid snow]

using Framework itself can be considered "advanced" now which is funny since it was meant to be a simpler way than a bunch of file editing lmao

BGME Reactive and BGME Battle Themes are an easier way to add common stuff like boss BGM or randomized bgm.

[prisma notch]

i mean the partial reason i got p3r was an excuse to have something new to screw around with

i already had a functioning music replacer with a hex edited uasset

but this gives me more to work with

[rigid snow]

i remember the days of needed to edit the encounter table, at least this game doesn't have a dumb battle bgm table

[prisma notch]

actually question
will bgme auto loop the song when it ends or do i need to set that up (like it wont be a nice loop but it would just start from the begining)

[zinc patio]

you need to set that up

[prisma notch]

i feel like i remember needing to do this with p4g

[zinc patio]

unless rena pulled some black magic in the last few days

[rigid snow]

i did not ^ i actually wouldn't know since i encode everything through phos which enables looping by default

[prisma notch]

i should get that set up

[zinc patio]

I feel like I'd asked this but idk if there was an answer/if I forgot/etc, what does happen? does load order take priority or does something else happen?

[rigid snow]

https://gamebanana.com/tuts/17170

[zinc patio]

this is directed towards you Rena, I swear I asked you this earlier but I couldn't find it lol

[rigid snow]

they've got a version with the p3r project and encoder ready

[prisma notch]

yeye

[zinc patio]

it's been a long day

[prisma notch]

i did it with p3p i believe

[rigid snow]

would depend on load order

if something gets added by API after launch, than it'll probably have higher priority, like P5R and custome framework

[zinc patio]

cool ty

so until that happens, P3R anime music expansion could happen alongside battle themes haha

supposedly P3R events are similar to P5 and supposedly those are much easier to work with than P4G, so...

[rigid snow]

damn, brawler was playing on hard mode all along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mYHRrH_NYg

has anyone tested flowscript and BGME 🤔

[prisma notch]

does phos have a p3r project yet

[neat mason]

well i'll just wait until a dedicated guide comes out

cuz my brain actually hurts from looking through it

[zinc patio]

god I love those random dragon ball videos from like 2010, they pop up in my feed every so often lol

I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to test if flowscript works with BGME. mod menu right?

[outer depot]

BOBTHECORN

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rena

https://gamebanana.com/tuts/17170

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[prisma notch]

oh ok

[rigid snow]

they uploaded a version with it, plus updated vgaudio

[prisma notch]

ohhh

alright

[rigid snow]

oh yeah, then it should work. i've used it to call music already

[boreal fulcrum]

btw, what exactly is Ryo doing? I dont mean like the literal code, more like an overview

a while back we figured out how to add more BGM to the DLC BGM system in SH2 and then hit the bottleneck of "we cant edit the ACB because ACE doesn't work on it"

but I see you're just loading loose adx now, so i'd imagine a similar method can be applied to SH2 then and have that load HCA instead since thats what it uses

(Soul Hackers 2)

(also worth noting SH2 is one of the rare few games that calls things by cue name and not cue id)

[rigid snow]

criware has functions for playing audio from other sources like an awb, file (p3p does this i think), or just plain data

ryo hooks and creates wrappers around the functions needed for adding/replacing/playing cue names from files, using SetData in P3R's case

though the audio settings need to be tweaked for each game to play with the correct audio player/sound categories

[boreal fulcrum]

i see, what functions specifically do you need?

i imagine SH2 should have them all since it just imports criware sdk

and because its unity we can just call functions by name

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/blob/main/Ryo.Reloaded/CRI/CriAtomExPatterns.cs
this would just be to get the game go "for this cue name play this file", you might need something like BGME to manually play new cue names with ICriAtomEx

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/blob/56343f9d9c5ac7315812c1c6577cab5da30246f3/BGME.Framework.P3R/P3R/BgmPlayback.cs#L35

[boreal fulcrum]

I can see why you'd say this since I didn't give the full picture

the game has a "list" of cue names associated with dlc bgm

it grabs the cue name from the list and then tries to play the bgm

so the game is already attempting to play it for us, so I'd just need a way to give it the sound file it needs

although yeah I guess at that point you'd just go full framework and not limit yourself to that ingame list

[upper siren]

drove myself insane last night wondering why my thing wasnt working but it just needed that sweet sweet update. works perfectly now :)

[rigid snow]

lucky, should be simple to add then. at the point it's just volume and sound category stuff, lmk if you need help/tips for that

[rigid snow]

[upper siren]

okay so with the new update sound works for battles

but the victory music doesnt play and it randomly blasted out my ears when the results screen appeared

the volume issue seems inconsistent since it didnt happen a second time

ia lso just realised theres NO music outside of battles now

okay so actually very strange

when i boot the game, music works fine

i go to tartarus, when i go inside tartarus the tartarus enterance music continues playing even though it shouldnmt

i get into battle, both the custom battle music AND tartarance enterance are playing at the same time, then the results screen fails toplay anything and all original base music from the game stops working

BUT THE RESULTS SCREEN MUSIC WORKS IF SHUFFLE TIME HAPPENS??

oh god its more broken

if shuffle time happens, results music plays but then it continues into tartarus but louder, and stays like that untl you get into another battle

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@upper siren are you changing victory BGM

[upper siren]

yeah its set up to

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that's not fully working rn

[upper siren]

ah

[next sparrow]

it's a known issue

victory BGM specifically

actual battle BGM is working tho

you do have the BGME P3R 1.1 right

[upper siren]

yeah

[next sparrow]

it's on GB now

ok

[upper siren]

1.0 it just casued dead silence before

[next sparrow]

so first try disabling victory music changes

if you still get silent tartarus after battles

[upper siren]

im guessing id have to change my script

[next sparrow]

no

actually, I assume you are using Ryo, right

[upper siren]

no

[next sparrow]

oh

uh well first disable victory music first

[upper siren]

i mean i have it downloaded it but i havent touched it

[next sparrow]

ahhh

ok

if tartarus music breaks after battles

make a folder of [Mod]/Ryo/P3R

and inside that folder

basically replace the tartarus block cueIDs with themselves

do you have the bgm.awb @upper siren? You'll need it to extract the tartarus block music in Foobar

[upper siren]

i can go grab it

[next sparrow]

ok

[upper siren]

im using the dungeon dlc anyway so id just need to extract those

[next sparrow]

when you extract the tartarus block songs as wavs, simply run it back through Phos and turn them back into P3R HCAs

[upper siren]

okay yeah tartarus is still broken

base game victory theme works though

[next sparrow]

yeah

[upper siren]

oh okay so

if i set it back to normal tartarus music it works

but the games (unreleased) dungeon bgm is broken

[next sparrow]

that'd track

if you want you could try extracting the unreleased dungeon BGM as wavs, then having them replace the regular dungeon music

but idk if that's what you already did

[upper siren]

yeah ill try that

this isnt doing anything with ryo, just basic BGME battle tracks

i changed my script to just be battle themes rather then a victory set and the games sound system seems to be fine

this is just showing the dungeon bgm dlc being weird

[upper siren]

okay so i dont know anything about ryo, so this would be the cue i need to name the file? (this is the cue name that shows up when i have the game play Game)

oh phos. manages that

and also uses the wrong name

it calls it Shin Mitsou Tensei which while correct the game itself calls it Game

[next sparrow]

Basically

In Phos

If you want to replace Thebel music with Shin Mitsou Tensei

Simply replace it as such in Phos. The new file you make should be link_70.hca

In the case of thebel

[upper siren]

okay that works

[next sparrow]

Then make the Ryo folder in your mod

Obviously make sure the mod uses Ryo as a dependency

[upper siren]

yeah i did that

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So is it working now

[upper siren]

yeah

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Glad to hear

[upper siren]

bit of a headache but whtv ill live with it

[next sparrow]

Oh and if you want loop points

Check the track’s properties in Fiona’s

(I’m assuming you’d have done that by now but just to be sure)

[upper siren]

yeah id id that

you can check those in foobar actually

[next sparrow]

That’s what I was saying

But it in

Autocorrect

Hate it

Lmao

[upper siren]

oh fionas was foobar

[next sparrow]

Yes

[zinc patio]

I was gonna ask what the heck Fiona's was lol

[next sparrow]

Autocorrect is very functional

[rigid snow]

the volume/victory/general issues with battle bgm is known and i'm look into anything that might be used to fix it

[upper siren]

alright cool

[next sparrow]

I’ll do more testing today on if you setting Ryo default volume to 0.15f or whatever compared to 0.05f is good or not

Cause I have that louder version

[boreal fulcrum]

fwiw, whenever we made custom acb/awb for P5/R using AtomCraft, we always set the volume to 0.3f to match ingame one

[prisma notch]

hey rena, if you dont mind me asking, do we currently have a way to target particular days

like if its school on a Saturday it would play a different track

[rigid snow]

there's not, i've thought about adding something for it but just haven't gotten to it

also location BGM

[prisma notch]

i mean that in theory could work by just targeting the song that plays there and then using randoms

other thing, is there a particualer group for minibosses, i can make my own, but just wondering

[rigid snow]

you can randomize songs by targeting a song using global_bgm["SONG_NAME"] and setting music = random_song(0, 10) or similar

but not specific days (unless the game plays specific music on certain days, idk haven't played it yet)

[prisma notch]

i guess that would work better for p4g, cuz i believe the overworld music is weather dependent

[rigid snow]

it probably wouldn't be that hard to add, just gotta find where it plays overworld music and where the date is stored

it was mostly time/effort vs potential users in other games wasn't really worth it over other stuff; i'll give it a shot in this game i think

[prisma notch]

i mean if its super complicated and weird and not worth it, dont stress it

its open source c# right

if so i can probably make it myself

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/tree/main/BGME.Framework.P3R

you've got experience with game hooking/assembly?

[boreal fulcrum]

p5r has a system for all of that

it has an ftd file called bgmcond

has the bgm data for every field in the game

can have conditionals such as date and/or flag

[prisma notch]

ive got experience in a lot of things

as in i have no frickin clue but ive probably done it

honestly this is the first modding community ive ever been apart of but ive modded alot of games on my own, so theres a chance ive done it and i just dont know what it was called

[rigid snow]

has this been documented anywhere besides the amicitia server?

[rigid snow]

well lmk if you get it working, def see if p3r has something like bgmcond. i can handle updating the script portion if you work it out

[boreal fulcrum]

there should be a template in the repo

[prisma notch]

im assuming if there was a way it would be related to the schedualler

[prisma notch]

ok i think looking at the schedualler it appears to call MSG_FULLMOON after MSG_JOIN and then MSG_DIALY (no thats not a typo)

Ah here we go

a list of bools

[prisma notch]

hey @rigid snow i think i found what controls it

its a data table

that being said i have no idea how you would actually interface with it

[rigid snow]

what file?

[prisma notch]

DT_FldBgmTable

in field/data/datatable

[boreal fulcrum]

oh hey thats literally the same place as the p5r one

nice

same values too from the looks of it

[prisma notch]

does this help us at all

[boreal fulcrum]

yes, if you can find the code that checks this every field load, you can then incorporate it into the api

[prisma notch]

hmmmm is there an easy way to print that to terminal, just every single call

[rigid snow]

what would KIN_%06d be referring to?

[prisma notch]

i believe thats how its finding the row and column

several other tables here call that when refering to field

unrelated to music, but this might help for future if we want to replace the tanakas items

[zinc patio]

anyone wanna test this just to make sure nothing breaks horribly?

[ember ember]

why does tartarus and all other music quiet after battling once with the random bgm

[next sparrow]

Use Ryo to replace the Tartarus tracks with themselves

That should fix it

[ember ember]

ill try, however i did notice it also affects music outside of tartarus

[zinc patio]

the answer is that it's a known issue

I think it has to do with the way music is loaded into the game or something. iirc rena is looking into if there's a different solution

[ember ember]

well its not too much of a big deal for me, but i hope it gets fixed

at least good to know its not just me

[zinc patio]

I had music cut out partway through battle; unfortunately don't have a clip of when it happened but the console didn't show anything useful
I believe it was after an AOA or similar but I honestly don't remember :')

don't know if that one has been reported yet but that's different from the whole victory music thing

(also only showed up once in my entire playthrough today so it's hard to reproduce...)

[rigid snow]

i love how 90% of the issues have just been with battle bgm alone lmao

[zinc patio]

it's also the most essential one </3

[prisma notch]

not to make your life harder @rigid snow but global bgm replacement doesnt work at all
you just get silence

[rigid snow]

whoops

[prisma notch]

whats that mean

is that for like the p4g version

[rigid snow]

i manually play BGM IDs above 400 since the game can't handle them. But I was checking the original BGM ID, not the global BGM ID replacing it, meaning the game would try playing it (and fail)

[prisma notch]

is it part of this

[rigid snow]

yeh, https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases

check here for a fix in like ~4 mins

[prisma notch]

kk

man i checked my code and music files like ten times lmao

is there a reason why it cant handle bigger then 400

do we know

[rigid snow]

lol, if the debug shows like it should be working but doesn't almost always a code bug. most script issues will throw an error thankfully

[prisma notch]

btw that fixed it

[rigid snow]

it's not that it can't but it'll play bgm (and audio) from it's own files like normal, and it's nearly impossible to add new audio to them. one of the main features of bgme is adding whole new music without rebuilding the awb

[prisma notch]

lmao

it also keeps playing the tartarus music

so...

i guess we still have to figure that one out

[rigid snow]

i think i have an idea what the issue is

give me 10 mins actually it'd need another mod that's still very WIP so maybe not yet lol

[prisma notch]

im curious to hear your theory actually

[rigid snow]

the game has a function for playing bgm, and seems to save what bgm it played. that function calls another function that's plays the audio. i hooked the original play bgm function, but it didn't work on steam version

now i hooked the other function but i have a feeling it might cause music to not transition sometimes

[prisma notch]

do you care much if i fork the repo

i kinda wanna screw around with it

my main theory is if you just grab the player and force stop anything playing on that id before loading the bgm

i dont know this enough to know if thats even possible

[rigid snow]

go ahead though i don't think i added the player stop function

you'd have to add it to ICriAtom in Ryo, add pattern and function to wrapper

maybe you could get away with PlayCueIdImpl.OriginalFunction(param1, 0, 0, 0)?

[prisma notch]

i mean lets say you did have the player stop function

do you think it would work

[rigid snow]

like i mentioned, i think it's the fact im changing bgm in a different way than the game normally does it

[prisma notch]

i think you know what your doing alot more then i do

[rigid snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064346045682815117/1207496694158336050/image.png?ex=65dfdbee&is=65cd66ee&hm=aa6034836467bcda021006d900bcb48b520c2f0b75a758a5b82c12f949e4e1f4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[prisma notch]

nothing more FUN then uVar am i right

[rigid snow]

lol, i wish i knew what they did

[prisma notch]

i got nothin

im not used to working with things on that level

[outer depot]

neither am i but i can google, chat gpt, ||and cry|| so sometimes things work

[prisma notch]

correction

cri

ok you have to admit that was kinda funny

i wonder why atlus insists on using criware for everything anyway

considering how quickly yall broke the music encyption its clearly not super secure

[rigid snow]

shhh

it's a good thing they do, we have plenty of knowledge and tools for it

[prisma notch]

well yea it is

but im looking at it from their perspective

[rigid snow]

same thing probably lol

they've been using it since at least ps2

[prisma notch]

ok i just pulled up cris website

yea that looks really nice from a devs perspective

its basically a full daw

OH SHOOT, THEY HAVE A SUBSCRITION FEE

[rigid snow]

i think i've seen it mention their sdk is free to try, but only for jalapeno users

im leaving that autocorrect as is

[sharp ferry]

Has this feature been tested yet, or is it part of the issues people are troubleshooting with victory music? Because it sounds like something I've been looking for.

A neat feature of battle_victory_set is the ability to make battle music transition into the victory screen. Just use the same music for both.

[sharp ferry]

If something works and people know how to use it, then people tend to resist changing it

[zinc patio]

iirc it does not work for P3R 😔

victory music is kinda fucky in general right now

it does work for the other Persona games though........

[sharp ferry]

Aight I had a feeling, good to know. I have faith, progress gets made every day on this stuff

[upper siren]

its very fucky

it only works if shuffle time is activated

and will also just continue into tartarus (but that might have been a bug due to something else)

[cedar galleon]

System.IO.InvalidDataException: Not a valid RIFF file
this just means my wav is bad right?

[rigid snow]

yeah, try re-encoding with audacity

might have to go to a different format first, some programs "optimize" wav to wav by not doing anything...

[cedar galleon]

ahhhh, ok thanks! that fixed that one, sry one more question, I put some songs I converted using BRSTMconverter through phos and they still come out acting like they got the wrong encryption key, is that a problem with my wav as well?

sry audio editing is all new to me haha

[rigid snow]

i actually think you can just use those files directly?

https://github.com/Thealexbarney/VGAudio, anything that can write+read should be supported

[cedar galleon]

oh so I would just need to rename the wavs to "2001.wav" for example?

sorry should say this is for reactive

[rigid snow]

oh i meant in phos, you can select them as the replacement file

[cedar galleon]

ooooh, alright ill try that thanks

[cedar galleon]

so after a little more fiddling around they play fine in foobar but still distort in game. stumped on this one

[upper siren]

your files are encrypted. for bgme you need files without encryption

if you're converting thru cmd don't put the --keycode part in your command

ngl i havent worked with phos at all so idk how to not encrypt something with that

[rigid snow]

??? bgme still needs the files to be encrypted

[upper siren]

does it? ive been putting my hcas in with no keycode specified when converting them

[rigid snow]

on those tracks did you set the encoder to P3R HCA?

[rigid snow]

were they already encrypted or do you mean in battle themes. battle themes handles encrypting them automatically

[upper siren]

oh yea i was doing battle themes sorry didnt mean to say misinfo

[cedar galleon]

yeah so I ran the p3r brstm's through the converter and got all of tartarus' tracks replaced through ryo, those play fine. but doing the exact same thing with my liz replacement in reactive (just changing link name to 2001) makes it distort

[rigid snow]

link name?

reactive files should just be id, like bgme songs

[cedar galleon]

so for my first go at the reactive, I put it through phos just over mass destruction which spit out the link_26.hca, and then just renamed it to 2001.hca

[rigid snow]

that should've worked then

does it play fine in foobar (it shouldn't)?

[cedar galleon]

yeah theyll play fine in foobar but not in game

[rigid snow]

they shouldn't be playing fine

[slow iron]

iirc when the music files were made correctly on my end, foobar hated them even with the key there

so yea

[rigid snow]

click on the song, and make sure the encoder is hca p3r

[cedar galleon]

I even tried using one of the tartarus tracks I knew was working through ryo and it was still distorted
yea thats usually what I see on my end

ill try one more time from scratch and see what happens

ok so it had to have been something on my end just deleting the project and remaking it and rebuilding fixed it

thanks for the help regardless, appreciate all the effort u put into helping people

[next sparrow]

Ok idk WTF happened, when I updated to 1.0.1 today suddenly the music was silent in battle

[rigid snow]

the new version broke again?

[outer depot]

[next sparrow]

Ok actually I tried it

It worked again

Gonna try booting again on gaming mode

It was weird

Hold on

Nah it’s fine now

[rigid snow]

this the latest version from github?

[cedar galleon]

anyone tried out the Persona Series Randomized Battle Themes modpack on reload yet? Random songs load in fine but dont loop for me

[rigid snow]

@zinc patio i've actually not tested looping, have you?

i just assumed it did

[zinc patio]

like if the songs loop?

as far as I can tell, they do, but also I'm not sure I've ever been in a battle long enough for that to be an issue

ill do a quick test in a bit

if not that's a minor (major) issue lmao

[rigid snow]

brawler casually dropping a "skill issue"

[cedar galleon]

hey man those p1-2 songs are the only reason I even asked haha they slap but there short and im on merciless

[next sparrow]

Nah, the GB one

1.0.1

[zinc patio]

yeah no that's valid lol I'll let you know in a bit if it's a skill issue or if it's a universal problem

[next sparrow]

Tho I think one of my tracks may not loop??? It’s one from Randomized battle themes. Idk. May have to see

[rigid snow]

can you test the github one on steam? https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases

[next sparrow]

I will once I get to a save point

Oh that works lol

[cedar galleon]

thx appreciate it

[zinc patio]

I don't even know what the shortest song in there is 🤔

surely the P1/2 themes are a sufficiently similar length

[cedar galleon]

bloody destiny like 55 seconds or something

[next sparrow]

If I sent a .hca could someone make sure it isn’t broken in some way

@rigid snow I think it ain’t working rn

I’m getting just silence in the music

At least with the new music

and it was working perfectly fine before I updated to the GB 1.0.1

[zinc patio]

hmmm so I think(?) I'm having Tartarus or something playing at the same time as the battle music. it's a lot quieter, it's hard to tell

but there's something else there that shouldn't be there

ok yes it was tartarus

and loops are indeed broken

[next sparrow]

Yeah the new update somehow broke loops

Which I don’t know how the fuck that happened

[cedar galleon]

ok dang, alright. thx for checking for me! Yea I was having that issue with overlap too but it went away after I replaced tartarus with themselves with ryo

[zinc patio]

it's inconsistent bc i got into another battle and the tartarus theme wasnt there

[rigid snow]

i don't think brawler is using the github version

also

[outer depot]

[next sparrow]

Well Github made silence so

Also at least for me the new tracks on the GB version they kinda do a kind of scritch for a second before loading properly

This didn’t happen with the previous Github version from before 1.0.1 was on GB

[zinc patio]

correct, i am not using the github version, i'm using the release version

[next sparrow]

….yeah the release version breaks the music too

But in the sense of it cutting out midway through

The last fully working version was the pre release version of 1.0.1

That was on GitHub

[next sparrow]

Sooooooo

[rigid snow]

hold on im still on the ||crying|| stage if bug fixing

[boreal fulcrum]

[zinc patio]

this is such an epic coding moment

😔

[rigid snow]

i'm like 80% sure this wasn't an issue using SetFile in the other games too

worst case i can manually replay the audio but i really don't want to do that

[rigid snow]

whoops, function named NotDlcBgm actually true if it is dlc bgm lmao

@zinc patio actually, i don't think the files themselves have loop points

[zinc patio]

huh???

[cedar galleon]

I checked them in foobar earlier and saw them, atleast for the one I checked

[zinc patio]

they're completely unchanged from the previous pack though 😭

[rigid snow]

let me build them for p3p

[rigid snow]

these are built with through battle themes, but phos uses the same library...

p3p's built files don't have loop data, did they never have loop points in the file info

i think i might see the issue

[cedar galleon]

oh no wait ur right Im seeing the same thing

that was my own file I checked for the loop point

[rigid snow]

phos built them (hca source files) fine with loop points, wtf...

[cedar galleon]

so in theory if I manually build them all itd work?

[rigid snow]

probably? maybe?

it's actually an issue with vgaudio it seems like; using the old version with p3p fixed all the songs

[zinc patio]

oops haha

[outer depot]

tfw when vgaudio adding hca loop removal but phos expects it to crash

[rigid snow]

even weirder that some kept loop info while others didn't but at least it's fixed now

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME.BattleThemes/releases/tag/1.1.1 if anyone wants to test before release

[zinc patio]

silly!

i'll give it a shot

I also have another build of random battle themes. hopefully this should have no problems either but if anyone wants to test this alongside P3R too that'd be cool

seems like everything is looping ok!

[rigid snow]

https://tenor.com/view/femc-kotone-shiomi-p3p-persona-fire-gif-1205190765552418820

thank god it wasn't an audio engine thing

idk what tartarus is doing playing in the background though, does the game normally do that?

[zinc patio]

during battles? no it does not do that afaik

it's a very inconsistent issue i've seen when testing my sound mods

sometimes it happens sometimes it doesnt

[prisma notch]

actually i did alot of digging as to what the issue is with that

my theory is that tartarus keeps playing when your code executes after the battle starts

ive found that it will keep playing if unreal thinks that there isnt a bgm set

but the music for the fight actually starts right as the protag starts to run in or during the screencrack animation

sometimes bgme starts alittle late

so it doesnt stop tartarus

this in turn has both playing on top of eachother so if there isnt any shuffletime, everything on track zero is stopped meaning there is no tartarus music because the game believes its already playing

[prisma notch]

@rigid snow feel free to absolutely disprove this but this is what i think might be happening

to further prove my theory

i have broken the script that handles music to simulate bgme not replacing it in time

ok well my first half still stands ive managed to disprove my theory for the point past shuffletime

[rigid snow]

i believe it, battles don't run on the same thread (or w/e they use)

i wonder if wrapping bgm calls in a task.run would stop it lmao

[rigid snow]

if anyone wants to test a victory bgm fix:
https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/Ryo/releases/tag/1.2.5
https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases/tag/2.0.26

also i think battle and victory bgm can seamlessly play the same song if there's not shuffle time

[next sparrow]

So if I wanna make sure everything works should I get all of the new updates (Ryo, BGME, Battle themes)?

[rigid snow]

yep

[next sparrow]

Ok, booting to test rn

Good news and bad news

Good news: the battle themes seem to work
Bad news: Tartarus mutes itself again

I’m gonna see if the issue persists if I take out the Ryo replacement tracks of Tartarus block

I’m also gonna test other Ryo music to see if it may be simply Ryo that broke

Ryo seems to work just fine outside of Tartarus but no matter what the silent Tartarus problem exists

And the old workaround no longer works

[rigid snow]

the problem also comes back when i enabled preloading audio (don't do that to test it'll load all audio files)

and i only added that because ark didn't get any victory bgm

this games battle bgm is cursed

[next sparrow]

I mean at least the actual battle music works again

But

Not sure why even the old workaround isn’t working anymore

At least understanding why the workaround was needed was simple enough

But I have no idea what this is

Would it be worth trying to one by one seeing if reverting to an old version of something fixes it?

Like maybe if Ryo doesn’t get updated the issue goes away

Im gonna try that, fuck it

[rigid snow]

it'll just bring back broken victory (assuming it's working now)

[next sparrow]

See I haven’t tested victory music actually

But I’ll test reverting Ryo

Cause at least if that fixes it

That’ll tell you where the issue is

Between the three frameworks

Ok, yeah, it’s definitely Ryo

Whatever you did to fix victory themes (assuming it works) broke Tartarus music in the process

So that’s where to look

[outer depot]

[rigid snow]

tartarus music was already broken too, didn't it break the workaround. now it's just broken harder lol

[next sparrow]

Well yeah that’s what I meant

Fixing victory themes broke the workaround

Either way, Ryo is the culprit

[next sparrow]

@slim lintel where did u get confused

[slim lintel]

What to use for Encounter block names

is it the same as P5R?

[next sparrow]

I'd recommend using BGME battle themes

it's a lot simpler

to replace battle music

[slim lintel]

and it has randomizer support?

[next sparrow]

mhm

the BGME Battle Themes page explains

[slim lintel]

Will look into it, appreciate the help🙏🏿

[slim lintel]

Followed the steps on the Gamebanana page for BGME Battle Theme, have my tracks in .hca in "MOD_FOLDER"\battle-themes\music, setup MyBattleTheme.theme.pme according to the example.

The final result is the tatarus overworld theme continuing when transitioning into battle. Victory theme plays normal after the battle is finished.

[zinc patio]

this is a known bug, there's still some stuff being figured out there 😔

[slim lintel]

Is there a workaround at the moment?

[zinc patio]

I think some people mentioned using ryo to change the Tartarus themes?

"change" them because you'd be replacing them with themselves

[next sparrow]

Yeah that’s how you work around it

For rn

Lemme write a quick step by step on doing the workaround

1. Extract the bgm.awb, as well as the bgm.acb from P3R. There used to be instructions on GB but it ain’t there anymore, it involves using FModel to extract the bgm.awb and then, iirc, getting the bgm.acb from the bgm.uasset. Ask around for help on that.
2. Place the bgm.awb and bgm.acb in the same folder, then open the awb with Foobar. I believe you’ll need a streaming key but again ask around for that.
3. In foobar, search for the cueIDs of the Tartarus block tracks. You can either find which tracks have which cueIDs in Phos (if you have the P3R project set up) or at this link: https://amicitia.miraheze.org/wiki/Persona_3_Reload/BGM
4. Right click these tracks and convert them to .wav. Save them somewhere you’ll be able to find again.
5. Use Phos to convert the new .wavs back into P3R .hca files.
6. Place the new .hca files in MOD FOLDER/Ryo/P3R.

[slim lintel]

alright, gonna try and see what happens

thanks a lot!

[next sparrow]

If you search around in the Ryo thread

You’ll probably find info on those first couple of steps

[slim lintel]

I did the steps with the streaming key before so I have it already. Should it just be in the directory as the bgm files?

[next sparrow]

Should what be in the directory as the bgm files

[slim lintel]

the streaming key file

[next sparrow]

If you have the streaming key already you’re fine

Or do you mean you’ve done the steps before it

[slim lintel]

I've done the steps before a while ago

and such, have the streaming key already

[next sparrow]

Ok so what’s the problem

Do you have the bgm.awb and bgm.acb

[slim lintel]

got those

have it setup like this

[next sparrow]

Oh yeah that’s fine

Just open the awb in foobar

[slim lintel]

did that

[next sparrow]

Send what you see

[next sparrow]

Ok, the cueIDs are the numbers in parentheses. Look for the Tartarus block tracks now

I know the last one is cueID 81

And the first one is cueID 70

When you find one of them, right click, click on quick convert and make it a wav

[slim lintel]

should be all these, I presume?

[next sparrow]

Yeah

All of those

Those are the ones

[slim lintel]

done

should they all be static noise when played?

[next sparrow]

No

Do you have the vgmstream

Or whatever it’s called

Cause if you don’t that’s what happens in foobar

It shouldn’t be an issue outside foobar

[slim lintel]

got a vgmstream plugin there

[next sparrow]

Did you get the plug-in from this server

I think the latest version doesn’t support hca files

So there’s a different one posted somewhere

Check Ryo thread

[slim lintel]

alright, will do

[next sparrow]

If not there check the P3 modding chat

[slim lintel]

found it, needed the .hcakey

now it sounds good

Do I need to make loop points for them?

[next sparrow]

If you right click a song and check properties

The loop points are given @slim lintel

[slim lintel]

I didn't know that so I made new ones with the python script

right-click the wav files?

nvm, found it in foobar

[next sparrow]

Yeah

It’s in foobar

[slim lintel]

and now, MOD_FOLDER in this case is what mod? The same mod_folder used for randomized music?

[next sparrow]

Do you have a mod that has a Ryo folder in it?

If not then just make a Ryo folder in the mod folder you have your other music changes in

[slim lintel]

like so?

did not seem to fix itself, added Ryo as a dependacy along with the ones I had previously (BGME Battle Themes and BGME Framework for P3R) and the tartartus theme kept playing but slightly louder

removing Ryo as a dependency had it return to the original issue

[next sparrow]

which version of BGME are you using rn

and how is your battle themes set up

[next sparrow]

@slim lintel get the BGME battle themes from here....

[next sparrow]

and the BGME from here

don't get ryo

the new ryo update breaks the workaround

[next sparrow]

Alright even with only the new BGME and BGME Battle Themes…. Monad mini bosses no longer seem to respect BGME stuff, just playing default mass destruction reload instead

🫠

[prisma notch]

hey @rigid snow was my theory disproven or is that still an up an the air possibility

[slim lintel]

Should one re-add them through Ryo as well?

[slim lintel]

My music files is in MOD_FOLDER\battle-themes\music

I have my script called MyBattleTheme.theme.pme in MOD_FOLDER\battle-themes

The script has the code: ```const p3r_bgm = [p3r_massDestruction,
p3fes_massDestruction,
p3m_FateInOurHand,
p3m_massDestruction,
p320th_massDestruction
]

const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(random_song(p3r_bgm), p3r_afterTheBattle)```

Are there any dependencies I'm missing? Have BGME Battle Themes, Ryo Framework and BGME Framework for P3R currently on my music mod

[rigid snow]

Hmm, make sure BGME Framework for P3R is enabled.
This is using the BGME Battle Themes version on P3R page right? That one is a newer version than on the other games.

I should've really written down what each bug was caused by, idr what entering battle but music doesn't start meant

oh, what version of BGME Framework is this on and any red text near the start of console? iirc this would happen if the bgm hook failed.

[slim lintel]

Enabled it now, same outcome.

Just now, installed the version of BGME Battle Themes from the github page on this thread. BGME Framework is 1.0.1

I do not see any red text

[rigid snow]

is the Framework P3R version from github too? if so it needs to updated: https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases
a previous fix for dlc bgm accidentally broke new bgm

[slim lintel]

that's the one I have, 1.0.1

downloaded it today

[rigid snow]

yeah you can't trust the version it says on the file/reloaded if its from github. it comes from the modconfig and i don't update that version until release

[slim lintel]

so I pick the top one?

[rigid snow]

yep

If that doesn't fix it, then change logging to debug for Ryo, Framework, and Battle Themes (click on mod in Reloaded -> click Open Config -> change Log Level).
go into a battle then send a screenshot of the console

[slim lintel]

Should ryo be a dependency for my mod?

[rigid snow]

you don't need one on it 👍

[slim lintel]

Where do I see the console?

[rigid snow]

click reloaded settings then tick show console

[slim lintel]

just found it 😅

Can I also send the text file generated?

[rigid snow]

sure

[rigid snow]

can you try this version of framework: https://gamebanana.com/mods/495456

also just for a sanity check, there's only a single folder of BGME Framework P3R in your mods folder right?

reloaded will only use a single one with the same mod id; i've been bitten by a mod not being the version i expected it to be because of different versions in different folders 😔

[slim lintel]

only one I can see

[rigid snow]

oh wait, i see an issue. ryo isn't registering your music

go into your mod's folder, BGME/P3R are there any files there?

[rigid snow]

confusing. right-click -> edit mod and show your mod dependencies?

[rigid snow]

i wonder if it's a weird interaction; if the mod only contains battle themes then you only need the dependency on BGME Battle Themes, since it'll work in any game

remove the other dependencies

[slim lintel]

so only keep BGME Battle Themes?

[rigid snow]

yep 👍

[slim lintel]

same thing happens, tartarus continues playing

[rigid snow]

send me your modconfig.json

[slim lintel]

here is the log for reference

[rigid snow]

oh wait it actually fixed ryo

[13:50:50] [BGME Framework] [DBG] Random Song ID from (10000, 10010): 10001
[13:50:50] [BGME Framework] [DBG] Battle BGM ID: 10001

but something told it play something in 10k range

[slim lintel]

Should I enable it as a dependency again?

[rigid snow]

no it's working better now but do you have any .pme in the BGME folder of your mod?

10k ids usually come from a P5R mod

and assuming this is the only mod, there should only be one music script added I think:

[slim lintel]

there is a normalbattle and advantage .pme

Assuming that's what being called instead

[rigid snow]

yeah delete those

should work now i think

[slim lintel]

IT WORKS

but you hear tartarus faintly in the background

[rigid snow]

yeah, that's a thing apparently

and randomly breaking victory bgm/no victory bgm for one person

[slim lintel]

and it doesn't seem to loop

went away for a bit, came back and now it's silent

and only seems to pick one song

nvm, I just got lucky I guess lmao

[rigid snow]

make sure you're on the latest version BGME Battle Themes (i think you are)
and open BGME Battle Theme's folder then delete P3R_PC folder

there was an issue with the encoder that cause loop data to disappear lmao

[slim lintel]

does it get re-generated when start the game again?

[rigid snow]

mhmm

[slim lintel]

okii

I have two more questions

1. Do I have to set a victory theme parameter in the function battle_victory_set? I don't want to change the victory theme.
2. Can I set a randomizer for advantage battles?

[rigid snow]

should def read over the docs https://t-poseratkechi.github.io/PersonaMusicScript/guides
generally anything you can do bgme you can do in battle themes

battle_victory_set is just battle theme way to set victory music since can't do it the normal way. you should be able to set just battle bgm with const BATTLE_THEME = BGM_ID, for advantage/disadvantage look into battle_bgm

[slim lintel]

So can I set it to null or something similar to not change it?

[rigid snow]

you just use something else is what i mean

the default is only replacing battle bgm, const BATTLE_THEME = BGM_ID would leave victory alone

[slim lintel]

okok

[slim lintel]

it all works now, thanks for all the troubleshooting! 🙏🏿

[next sparrow]

Wait does the latest version of Ryo actually not break the silent Tartarus workaround anymore?

Or

[slim lintel]

One more thing 😅

Adjusting the modified volume, one of my songs is quite quiet compared to the rest

All have the modified volume of .35

[upper siren]

i feel like i might've did something wrong? i dont think the music is supposed to keep going like that (first time using framework so i dont doubt that i messed up somehow)

[cedar galleon]

something i've seen from playing the game is victory themes seem to play a lot more often if I dont press a at all and let shuffletime pop up on its own, cant tell if its just coincidence or
using gb ryo and github BGMEs

[slim lintel]

Fixed this by using another file

[rigid snow]

kind of seems like the game is expecting the velvet room bgm to only hide the current bgm, not replace it 🤔

the game should've tried playing tartarus theme on exit if it through it had to

[upper siren]

yea it looks like it. seems similar to the battle music(?) issue that was happening, solution's basically the same too. if you replace the tartarus rest area music it'll call it like it normally should. and lets the randomization actually work properly

[rigid snow]

that's because new music is called manually and they replace each other

tartarus music seems to only be called when entering the first time, velvet room just hides it but doesn't replace it

like the rank up issue

[upper siren]

i guess that explains why its only tartarus's velvet room that has that issue lol, the one in the mall works normally thankfully

[crisp barn]

I'm running into a slight issue with my HCA's throwing this error

[BGME Battle Themes] [ERR] Failed to start battle themes service.
One or more errors occurred. (Cannot find key to decrypt HCA file.)
   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.ThrowIfExceptional(Boolean includeTaskCanceledExceptions)
   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.Wait(Int32 millisecondsTimeout, CancellationToken cancellationToken)
   at BGME.BattleThemes.Themes.MusicRegistry.RegisterModMusic(String modId, String modDir)
   at BGME.BattleThemes.Themes.MusicRegistry.RegisterMusic()
   at BGME.BattleThemes.Themes.MusicRegistry..ctor(Game game, Config config, String modDir, String[] enabledMods)
   at BGME.BattleThemes.Mod..ctor(ModContext context)```

Ryo decodes the files fine, so I am not sure what's going on here

[rigid snow]

hca used in the batte themes should be regular HCA's; not encrypted

battle themes handles encrypting/encoding to each game

[crisp barn]

Ah, thanks. I'll fix that in the morning.

[crisp barn]

Alright, I have it in the game now - Phos Music Manager was being funky so I had to use AtomEncd. Just a couple issues. The volume is low and during the first battle the Tartarus theme plays in the background. I'll double check that the loops are working.

It's supposed to sound that compressed since the idea is that the music is diegetic.

[slim lintel]

Did an update happen that broke BGME? Doesn't work for me all of a sudden

Tartarus music keeps playing when heading into battle

Nvm, forgot I did a new installation of PhosMusicManager and lost my previous build

nvm again, didn't seem to fix it

[slim lintel]

Fixed it with this

[crisp barn]

Okay, once I swapped out the tartarus music this really gives the effect that it's from Makoto's earphones. I know that they don't work during the dark hour, but it's honestly neat.

One thing I could do is have a set of slightly better quality audio files so that after Fuuka's Rank 10 you can hear that her earphones sound better than the original ones

[upper siren]

seeing this mod makes me considering making tartarus exploration silent to add to its atmosphere

its a cool way of incorporating his headphones with what youre doing

[zinc patio]

does the Tartarus theme workaround still exist? if so, does anyone have Tartarus hcas they can slide over pretty please and thank you <3

[rigid snow]

i absolutely love this concept! i think it would also be possible to play the track switching SFX to really give it the MP3 feel

[zinc patio]

"It's special."

I mean that's all P3 gives for why Mitsuru's bike works during the dark hour lol

[somber cape]

Issue of skill

Also you could tie it to Fuuka telepathically giving music again (she literally has headphones for this)

[rigid snow]

i finally found the code that resets/mutes victory bgm (kinda obvious in hindsight lmao)

https://tenor.com/view/femc-kotone-shiomi-p3p-persona-fire-gif-1205190765552418820

and better insight as to why tartarus plays in the background, same thing as velvet room and stuff where new bgm hides the current bgm while it plays

[marble nebula]

YAYYY

NEW UPDATE

[sharp ferry]

One step closer to making the small change that I care about way too much !

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME/releases
@marble nebula @zinc patio victory bgm should be fixed completely now

[marble nebula]

YOOOO

time to test

you get a cookie if it works

[zinc patio]

yooooooo I'll test tonight

if this works it's just Tartarus music being funny occasionally right?

[rigid snow]

tartarus and velvet room bgm and rank up

lol

[zinc patio]

also did you push the bgme battle themes update that was supposed to fix looping not working?

someone on my mod page was complaining that their loops didn't work still

[rigid snow]

i can't until i undo p4g bgme since battle themes still updates from the p5r version

technically everything does except bgme p3r

[marble nebula]

@rigid snow 95% fixed 🙂

the 5% one triggered after battle, tartarus theme just muted

but only one time

secondly, the first time i enter battle, i can faintly hear tartarus music in Battle

that should be enough report

[upper siren]

should be v1.1.1 on GitHub. I got that one and it creates files with loops for me now
https://github.com/T-PoseRatkechi/BGME.BattleThemes

[zinc patio]

oof :') ok I will let them know then

can you at least update the battle themes mod on the P3R page to 1.1.1 so I can just point people there instead of the GitHub haha

[next sparrow]

so to be clear, what are the current recommended versions of everything?

[upper siren]

Do I use the regular HCA or the Persona 3 Reload specific HCA for BGME BattleThemes?

[outer depot]

Regular HCA

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hca used in the batte themes should be regular HCA's; not encrypted

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[upper siren]

got it

ok the replacement doesn't seem to work

I'm trying to add the Yakuza Kiwami battle theme but idk if my files are set up the wrong way

ok I got it working I accidentally put the .theme.pme in an options folder

now how would I go about adding more themes to randomize it? just do const myRandomBgm = random_song(1000, 1009)
encounter["Normal Battles"]:
music = myRandomBgm
but replace the IDs with the hca file names?

ok wait I think I might've figured it out

ok I thought I figured it out but when I went into battle it still played the tartarus theme

[rigid snow]

any version on github is the latest one

[next sparrow]

yeah but when I had tried latest ryo a few days ago

tartarus workaround broke

[rigid snow]

if this is for battle themes you shouldn't be using encounter["Normal Battles"], that's for regular music scripts

[upper siren]

const yakuza_bgm = [yk1_battle, y1_battle, y0_force, y0_parry]
const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(random_song(yakuza_bgm), random_song(yakuza_bgm) // Yakuza
this is what my pme looks like

[rigid snow]

oh yeah you got the syntax mostly

[upper siren]

it worked fine when it was just the one song

[rigid snow]

i think you're missing a parenthesis if you copied it directly

const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set( random_song(yakuza_bgm), random_song(yakuza_bgm) ) // Yakuza

[upper siren]

is there supposed to be a space in ( random_song(yakuza_bgm)?

[rigid snow]

naw, that's just for visual clarity

[upper siren]

ah I see

const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(random_song(yakuza_bgm), random_song(yakuza_bgm))// Yakuza

so like this?

[rigid snow]

should work, or at least that's one issue fixed

[rigid snow]

i removed the code that affected that in the last official update (and any version after)

[next sparrow]

oh ok, I'll give it another shot after class

[upper siren]

still not working

am I missing something?

BGME folder just has a P3R folder that's empty

[rigid snow]

oh, open BGME Battle Theme's mod folder and delete P3R_PC

it's weird that it's empty though

[upper siren]

ok that fixed it

[rigid snow]

that's weird, did you delete the BGME folder in your mod beforehand?

[upper siren]

I think but I didn't delete it in the bgme battle theme's folder

also how do I get it so that I keep the same theme going?

when I was testing it I had the original yakuza battle theme but for the victory theme it cut to the kiwami version

assuming that the second instance of random_song(yakuza_bgm) plays a new song

[rigid snow]

for that you'll need the newest version of framework i linked a bit earlier here

[upper siren]

oh I already updated framework

[rigid snow]

then you'd have to separate your random_song into a new theme per song; themes play randomly so it'll be functionally the same

and just have battle_victory_set play the same song

[upper siren]

so how would that look in the syntax?

[rigid snow]

something like
const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(SONG, SONG)

four songs so you'd need four themes

[upper siren]

const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(y1_battle, y1_battle) // Yakuza
const BATTLE_THEME = battle_victory_set(yk1_battle, yk1_battle) // Yakuza so like this?

all in the same .theme.pme?

[rigid snow]

like that, and in separate files but in the same folder

[upper siren]

like this?

[rigid snow]

yep

[upper siren]

and it'll randomly choose between the music just like that?

or do I need to make an additional file for that to work?

[rigid snow]

yep to automatically, that's what battle themes is made for

multiple mods can add battle music and all of it will randomly play; for example you could also add persona battle themes and it'd just combine with your mod

plus working in every persona game automatically

[upper siren]

do I have to delete the p3r_pc folder in BGME Battle Themes every time I make changes?

[rigid snow]

no, only when you encounter audio issues or delete the generated folders. battle themes manages the music files for you, it'll handle any changes needed

[upper siren]

got it

oh I guess the tartarus music stopping isn't entirely fixed yet

but everything else works like a charm

[zinc patio]

🤔
this isn't intended behavior is it?

I mean, that's good for them lol but

I was under the impression battle themes was supposed to change all tracks

[rigid snow]

i mean i've no clue what they're even saying

i don't have the dlc so idk how that works

[zinc patio]

basically, your options with P3R randomized music are:

• P3R music
• random (pulls from all your dlc)
• individual tracks from your dlc (you can only choose one because fuck you)

so they have their music set to random right now, so it pulls from their P4G and P5R music dlc. they're also using my mod, which uses BGME Battle Themes. essentially their dlc music is not always being overridden by BGME

[rigid snow]

isn't that what it's supposed to do

random pulls from your dlc, it plays dlc

[zinc patio]

this user is using random in the BGM menu, along with my random battle themes mod

shouldn't my mod override the dlc music?

[rigid snow]

oh, im actually not sure how the game handles dlc bgm

[zinc patio]

if it didn't, then the fact that it occasionally plays dlc music is also a little odd

because the random option only pulls from dlc, not base game music (I think)

[rigid snow]

battle themes, aka music script just replaces the music id from the encounter

[zinc patio]

I might do some testing when I get home

[rigid snow]

so something is happening between then and before it reaches the actual play bgm function

[zinc patio]

yeah I'll do some more testing then. I've been operating under the impression that BGME consistently replaced dlc bgm too

[rigid snow]

get battle bgm id -> overridden by music script -> dlc magic -> play bgm (plays dlc sometimes)

[zinc patio]

yeah
well, I mean, that's not a bad thing then lol

[rigid snow]

bgme doesn't replace anything when setting battle bgm

just edits the bgm id set in the battle

[zinc patio]

bad wording on my part

yeah it's not necessarily a bad thing then if dlc music still works sometimes

just behavior I was not expecting

[rigid snow]

bgm in general for p3r 😭

[zinc patio]

lmaooooo

it would be (very slightly) easier if this game didn't have BGM DLC 😔

[rigid snow]

should be updated now, and force a full music rebuilding automatically

[upper siren]

Is there a way to randomize specific music tracks like Master of Tartarus?

Cuz I was thinking abt adding multiple different tracks to play at random for bosses in Tartarus

[rigid snow]

global bgm in a regular bgme music script

  music = random_song()
end```

[upper siren]

so put in the names of the hca's in the parentheses?

[rigid snow]

regular bgme music scripts use bgm ids; battle themes only allows/requires file names because it auto assigns them bgm ids for each game

[zinc patio]

the whole gimmick of battle themes originally was that it was universal for every game. if you look at my Persona Series Randomized Battle Themes for P4G, P3P, and P5R, all the downloads were identical bc Battle Themes automatically encoded the files for each game

[rigid snow]

https://t-poseratkechi.github.io/PersonaMusicScript/guides/create-mod
hasn't been updated for p3r but music scripts would go in MOD_FOLDER/BGME, music would go in MOD_FOLDER/BGME/P3R. You'd named them BGM_ID.hca with BGM_ID being some number above 1200, then use that number in your music script. These HCA files would need to be encrypted for P3R.

[next sparrow]

@rigid snow just downloaded all the latest versions and Tartarus went quiet again.

So not sure what that’s about

Maybe it’s cause my music mod uses Ryo as a dependency??

But that’s cause it uses both Ryo to replace tracks outright and BGME to do randomized battle themes

Idk. What do you think

[next sparrow]

Wait. I may be an idiot

Cause I don’t think my Ryo has an hca for thebel, which I’d been using for testing

🫠

[boreal fulcrum]

so let me get this straight, they can auto update, but they refuse to auto download

[sharp ferry]

I've had that window pause for a while before actually downloading. I also always click the download button, but not sure if it actually clicked because it looked greyed out for me

[next sparrow]

Btw is there a fix for Monad bosses ignoring custom music?

[sharp ferry]

@zinc patio Because I'm lazy resourceful, I'm using your P3R Randomized Battle Themes as a template for putting my own music in the game. Will this work if I add additional .hca and .pme files under "music" and "options" respecfully or no? I can't find where the actual descriptions of the bgm tracks are so I'm assuming that's hard-coded in the .dll's. Are there other hard-coded things that would need changing to do what I'm attempting?