P4TA Animated cut ins

[storm topaz]

try turn it down like 2-3 levels on the vita ig

[jovial kestrel]

“you better not fall for me”
https://tenor.com/view/terminator-atomic-explosion-fire-heat-gif-14303189

yeah i’ll fix it when i do some actual good recordings

[jovial kestrel]

is pretty much everything done with the mod on my end?

besides yosuke and possibly teddie

like everything feels right to everyone?

[crude vector]

yeah everything else looks good

[jovial kestrel]

in case anyone familiar with gms files wants to tinker around with scale, use this script

you'll need to set a custom path pointing to the gms file and an output

you can tinker with the numbers to get more or less of an image

[sour island]

@jovial kestrel can you share what ffmpeg command you used for dumping the frames in the end pls? Wondering why some of mine had frames missing 🤔

[jovial kestrel]

i just opened the video in photoshop

and cropped

then dragged along for each frame

then exported each frame once i got the motion

[jovial kestrel]

has anyone checked how the mod looks with the colorful cutin dds files?

does that still work?

on PC i mean

and do they look weird/bad considering the scaling?

[median mango]

I'm pretty sure I've had colourful cutins enabled every time I tested it but they aren't colourful so I guess they just don't work together

[jovial kestrel]

aw fuck

[median mango]

Just double checked, yeah it does nothing

[jovial kestrel]

is it possible it's loading from that dummy hrestex folder like with the animate textures?

oh wait, that wouldn't work

[median mango]

I was thinking that, colourful cutins have it in a different folder, I'll see if moving it to hrestex changes anything

[jovial kestrel]

yeah lemme know

it may work for one, but all of them? probably not

[median mango]

why not?

[jovial kestrel]

all the files are named the same

and load from one folder

[median mango]

oh...

[jovial kestrel]

with no separation per new EPL file

i guess i could technically merge the HD textures into the AMD

and skip the external loading

but id have to have a separate download, which is just as heavy, for the alt version

that kinda sucks

[median mango]

Yeah, you're right they will all just use the same hres dds...

[jovial kestrel]

ughghghghgh

don't even know how i could fix that

i have to add a new AMD because i have to insert the code into the AMD file

and then i have to scale everything up too

[median mango]

The chie_animate.dds and stuff is defined in the epl right? Would you be able to rename syoukan_haigo.dds and the others to something else?

Or is that defined somewhere else?

[jovial kestrel]

nah i have to point it to a new texture

[median mango]

But couldn't that new texture be the same one just renamed?

[jovial kestrel]

even if i could change it, i still have to add in the movement code

[median mango]

Ok 😦

[jovial kestrel]

i think i just have to merge the HD textures inside and include an alt download

my only other idea is you, or someone else, making a DLL mod to insert the code into the EPL files, thus keeping them the same and allowing the textures to be loaded externally 😭

but that's soooooooooo obtuse

and also locks the mod from working on P4G Nintendo Switch

nah ill just make a second version

when people get finished touching up the textures, send em my way

ill import them into the model, pack up as an EPL, then resend the reloaded package in here

shouldn't be too hard to make two versions, i could probably write a script for it lol

[median mango]

I just confirmed you can just rename them, I opened the epl in a hex editor and changed syoukan_haigo to syoukan_haigo03 and syoukan_kasan02.dds to syoukan_kasan023.dds and the different colour now only shows up for Chie.
I imagine you can probably do it without a hex editor since you know how to properly open them up, if not that works, there's enough space to change the names

Then we just ask wxnder to update colourful cutins to have those copies of the ddss in the eeffect\hrestex\dummy folder and they should work fine together

[jovial kestrel]

why tf didn't i think of that

that should be incredibly simple to fix, just need to change the data in the gms

damn chie looks fantastic in green

[median mango]

Yeah, it looks really nice although it does seem to make the cut out of her a bit more noticeable 😅
I'm excited to see them all with the fixed up textures

[crude vector]

not that many people are modding p4g on switch instead of just the PC version

[crude vector]

we'll get there when we get there haha. i took a little break from cleaning up the textures i said i'd do but i'll get to that soon

[jovial kestrel]

does adachi have a colorful background?

i forget

do i need to change him?

[jovial kestrel]

just like to be as universal as possible

the great thing about making vita mods is that everything depends on swapping out vanilla files, and thus works on every single platform

minus music mods, because atlus fumbled the bag with that one

[jovial kestrel]

also yeah eugh, you can see my shitty photoshop work so much more now

crusty edges, weird holes, slight cuts

[crude vector]

i personally use paint.net so idk if it's better with PS but from what i've done, doing clean edits can be a bit time consuming haha. it's good to have something to demonstrate though even if a little messy

[jovial kestrel]

here's an updated PC mod package with the changes needed for colorful cutins to work

[crude vector]

some of those edits are still gonna be a little annoying though bc of the hair being cut off

[jovial kestrel]

all the changed textures have been adjusted to match the character it's for, just by adding an underscore then the number matching the character

so for chie it's, syoukan_haigo_03.dds and syoukan_kasan02_03.dds across the board

don't think adachi was changed so i didn't adjust him

i also updated the EPLs to have the more updated version

@storm topaz in case you wanna update the mod preemptively

[storm topaz]

it should be a darker red than normal

[jovial kestrel]

fuck

one second

[storm topaz]

nah hold up

if it looks the same as the vanilla one, then it's fine as is

[jovial kestrel]

different color than this?

[storm topaz]

hmm give me a sec

[jovial kestrel]

oh yeah there is

slightly darker red

alright time to update

[storm topaz]

these are the ones included wit the colorful cutins mod if you wanna use em

[jovial kestrel]

reupped

same deal as last time, now featuring adachi

you good with making a compatibility addition with your mod @storm topaz ?

just need to duplicate the same new textures in a different directory

here's the hard work done for you

@median mango wanna test how they look?

i believe that should be the correct path

[median mango]

Sure, I'll have a look

[jovial kestrel]

i might have it wrong

i think you might need to move effect next to tex2

not inside of it

[median mango]

Yeah, it's effect\hrestex\dummy that they should be in

[jovial kestrel]

fixed

[median mango]

Nice

[crude vector]

colorful cut-ins my beloved

looks good :)

[storm topaz]

oh so it's basically the same?

[jovial kestrel]

yeah just loads in some extra textures for support with this mod

you may need to talk with pixelguin

oh and configure the package to be a new update number probably lol

[jovial kestrel]

looking schweet

[storm topaz]

actually I think Pixel maintains the 64bit ver so it’s up to him if he wants to add it

I might port it to PS2, and hopefully we can get this mod to work too, if possible at all

[jovial kestrel]

lemme ask em then

go for green

pixel is gonna push an update

thanks for getting that issue hashed out @median mango lol

[median mango]

All good, I'm glad they can work together pretty seamlessly 🙂

[rare rain]

rmd

[jovial kestrel]

probably not a concern if you hex edit the texture in

like i used to do when doing vita mods

and what they did when making the vita port of the same mod

[rare rain]

animations

[jovial kestrel]

just curious y’all

would y’all prefer to have the HD textures load externally, or should i apply them to the models themselves?

would it be more seamless that way, or have better performance?

[median mango]

I don't think it really would make a difference. I'd just say load them externally since it's easier

[honest merlin]

?

[jovial kestrel]

what?

[honest merlin]

just wonderin if this mod is ready to release?

[median mango]

Good question, what happened to this? Were you waiting on someone else?

[honest merlin]

is that question pointing at me or...

[median mango]

No, that was aimed at BonQ

Sort of just repeating what you said...

[desert acorn]

I think he waiting wxnder for the cleaned textures?

[jovial kestrel]

ngl it’s done for vita

i was waiting on people to make the clean versions of the assets for PC

like brawler, wxnder, and i think you committed to

[median mango]

Oh, ok

[jovial kestrel]

yeah

[median mango]

Well, I think what I said I'd do was format it once the assets were made (or something like that, I definitely wouldn't have said I'd actually clean up any textures)

[jovial kestrel]

oh right my bad

yeah it’s been a minute lol

[median mango]

I'd guess the others probably forgot or got busy (fair if they did, I did to lol), hopefully this will remind them

[jovial kestrel]

yeah lol

[crude vector]

oh yeah indeed I forgor 💀

I'll take a look at it in a bit

[crude vector]

i already had these apparently. how do these look ingame bc I want to know if it's necessary to remove the kanji or if I can leave it be (and how much more cleaning I'd need to do in general)

[jovial kestrel]

those look really good

honestly all people really need to do is remove the little japanese gray character

i feel like the lines aren’t really noticeable

[jovial kestrel]

actually it wouldn’t be too hard to test on your own

if you stack the frames in order you sent and add an extra one

so like a square image

and save as a dds

you can put it in effect/hrestex or whatever named naoto_animate.dds

i can totally do it but i’d have to setup like 15 billion programs and shit lol

[crude vector]

does that overwrite the texture in the epl?

[jovial kestrel]

no it just loads it externally over the vita res one

make sure you crop those images to the aspect ratio of 1024x256 by the way

and then stack them

[crude vector]

would it go in hrestex or hrestex/dummy?

[jovial kestrel]

uhhhhh i forget honestly

[crude vector]

ok lol

[jovial kestrel]

do you have colorful cutins for PC

[crude vector]

i dont think so

[jovial kestrel]

there’s textures in that location following the recent update

rip

lemme ask around

[crude vector]

i can just dl it too

[jovial kestrel]

effect/hrestex/dummy

that’s the path

[crude vector]

so i'd name it naoto_animate.dds and then it would load it over the one normally in there?

[jovial kestrel]

yup

[crude vector]

cool! i'll take a look then

do you know what dds format I need to save it in? I forgot lol

[jovial kestrel]

i think bc7 dds for PC lol@

i forget

oh and in case it wasn’t clear, stack it like this

you can have any texture as the 4th one, it’s unused

[crude vector]

oh really, that's funny
I gotcha I gotcha

[jovial kestrel]

yeah it just worked out math wise

basically it uses 0.25, 0.50, and 0.75 for positioning

and there’s only 3 frames of animation

i tried 0.33, 0.66, and 0.99 and it didn’t work

it’s bet to use a 1024x1024 canvas

[crude vector]

clearly I have some more cleaning to do. this is kindaaaa noticeable

[jovial kestrel]

ngl

kinda seems a little low res from the screenshot

oh wait

you’re not loading the new texture lol

[crude vector]

yeah i realized that afterwards lol

[jovial kestrel]

yeah lol

[crude vector]

i was like wait that is low res
then tested and found out that no, it was not loading it 😭

[jovial kestrel]

maybe it’s not called chie_animare

gimme a second

[crude vector]

kk

[jovial kestrel]

lemme decompile the stuff real quick lol

[crude vector]

oh so I may or may not have put it in the wrong folder

LMAO

let me make sure that fixes it though

yeah that did i was just a little stupid lol

[jovial kestrel]

lemme see how it looks lol

are you able to take a video

[crude vector]

yep let me rerecord it. i put a giant red blob on the frames to make sure it actually loaded so i had to reload without said red blob lol

bitrate is kinda ass, but yeah i dont think the kanji is noticeable rly...

[jovial kestrel]

yeah i think it looks good

all people really need to do is remove the kanji to the best of their ability lol

the lines are kinda fine to me considering it’ll just add more lines

[crude vector]

rerecorded in a higher resolution

[jovial kestrel]

like i kinda don’t care about the glasses glint anymore lol

so the lines are no different

[crude vector]

the glasses glint is probably the most egregious thing so if you don't care about that i don't think the kanji is rly an issue if it's that faded

i'll see if I can clean it though for a few of the frames. some of it seems negligible and there's so much movement anyways that i don't think it's a big deal in most cases

[jovial kestrel]

yeah true

yeah you’re right

i guess all it really needs is for people to cut it out better then

because my photoshop work was AWFUL

and super noticeable with the colorful cutins too lol

[crude vector]

it got the point across haha, hopefully some more clean work will make it look good, and then you can adjust it as needed for vita

[jovial kestrel]

yeah lol

i think that looks really good though

weirdly though

it seems like the lines aren’t being loaded over the animated texture

so the hat looks weirdly clean in a few frames lol

i actually have to double check with moddaman to figure out how to get EPLs to load the original external high res textures on custom import EPLs

since they got the higher res textures to load with their P3P mods

[crude vector]

true... well I think it looks fine for naoto but I just won't do that cleaning going forward then

[jovial kestrel]

you probably just have to use EPL files from the PC version or something lol

yeah yeah

you’re good brawler i appreciate it

thanks for getting it worked out at all lol

if you find some time to clean up the other cut outs then lemme know

[crude vector]

i gotchu
I'll work a bit on Kanji today but I have some other stuff I need to do so I doubt it'll be done today

[jovial kestrel]

can someone send me the PC cutin files real quick

unmodified from their 64 bit copy

and also make sure you have colorful cutins enabled

scratch that

can someone send me the external dds textures for all the epls

[crude vector]

uh sure hang on

just the cutins?

actually there's not much in the folder I can just send the whole thing probably lol

[jovial kestrel]

nah i meant the HD ones

for the backgrounds and everything

where they normally load from

somehow these are all of the cutins except the cutins i was referring to

there are the follow up attack and aoa, but not the critical cutins

lmao

oh shit they are in here, my bad

weird, there's no other files

[crude vector]

yeah this is everything haha

and femc is in there too for some reason

[jagged glacier]

basing p4g off of p3p moment

[crude vector]

i lied

[rare rain]

Are you saving those as bc7 dds

[crude vector]

yea

anything wrong with them?

[jovial kestrel]

they look fine to me lol

is there an issue?

i think the only thing is that gimconv doesn't support converting bc7 dds

so i think some PC mods use something else

[rare rain]

no pc mods use bc7 dds

because game loads it

they still use base p4g vita texture internally on the models, the upscaled textures (bc7 dds) are loaded externally

And it looks fine I was just making sure

bc3 will cause beeg issues on darker hair textures like Yukiko

[jovial kestrel]

lol yeah that's the current issue

atm the backgrounds are low res

and the textures don't load because the EPL loads the textures from hrestex dummy

[rare rain]

just copy from the vanilla ones

[jovial kestrel]

it's fine if you use colorful cutins

yeah that's the plan

import the hd textures into the gmo

or do you mean like

copy the vanilla hd textures into the dummy folder?

[rare rain]

dont copy into gmo

tm2 and gim are dogshit compression wise

just copy externally loaded dds

[jovial kestrel]

ah yeah

it's just like

might be a bit jank

considering i had to rename the background files to be different

for the colorful cutins mod to work with it lol

[rare rain]

its just copying and pasting and renaming lol

thats not jank

[jovial kestrel]

i guess lol

it's just bulkier than i'd like

that's why i called it jank

[rare rain]

well not much of a choice

bloated epls with poopy textures

or bloated mod with not poopy textures

you can size on filesize by making sure you save these without mipmaps btw

[jovial kestrel]

the animated textures? or the backgrounds?

i was just gonna copy the base files from the PC and rename

should i open em up in gimp/ps and remove the mipmaps and save?

[rare rain]

On pc specifically, you should grab all the cutin related files outside the faces from the tex2 folder. You then should paste those into the new hrestex dummy folder alongside your animated textures.

And rename them whatever you renamed them too in the gmos

[jovial kestrel]

lol someone did

but i didn't see the cutin backgrounds

i see the faces, the kanji character, but not the backgrounds itself

[rare rain]

Then grab from pc manually

[jovial kestrel]

i will

there's no difference in those textures from the 32 bit and 64 bit version yeah?

[rare rain]

64 uses bc7

[jovial kestrel]

i only know of the game dump from the 32 bit version

rip

pray that one forum has the files and they're not on GD

[rare rain]

its this aint it

oh thats femc isnt it

[jovial kestrel]

no yeah that's the P3P ones i believe

[rare rain]

hello

[crude vector]

gotcha, thought you were saying something was wrong and I was like huh lol
although I did notice there were a few weird artifacts when i watched it back so those have been fixed

[rare rain]

these are not bc7 for some reason actually

but ive seen textures that are

guess they didnt care

either way, better than tm2 :TRU

[jovial kestrel]

sweet thank you

the other place for the files were down

reupped file with better textures lol

also i compressed this on a mac so it may be funky adding it to reloaded, sorry

@crude vector you can just drop the dds files you made in the effect folder now lol

should have HD background, lines, and kanji character now too

[crude vector]

oh ok cool

i didn't have a problem dropping them where they were originally going :p but is cool

[crude vector]

[jovial kestrel]

looking amazing

also holy shit was that loud lol

[crude vector]

oh was it? oops lol

I'll try to tackle Yukiko and maybeeee Chie tomorrow but we'll see. think it's just Yosuke from there right? or did you want to have cut-ins for Rise and Margaret(?)

[jovial kestrel]

nah just yosuke from there

gotta say what i can do about yosuke

he's kinda rough unless i massively scale it up so it touches the edges lol

[rare rain]

wxnder offered to draw and fill in stuff didnt he

did you ever ask him for help with yosuke

[jovial kestrel]

not yet

@storm topaz my man

do you have time to do that sometime soon :3

[storm topaz]

I think I should get that done in like two days

[jovial kestrel]

sweet

[storm topaz]

im a bit busy rn so if I can’t get ti done tmrw or smth I can get it on thursday

[jovial kestrel]

yeah yeah

thank you for that

lemme know when you start btw

[storm topaz]

fsfs

💯

[crude vector]

does yukiko have similar issues at all to yosuke?

[jovial kestrel]

nah yukiko is fine

it's pretty much just one side that touches the edge imo

so i think she's good

yosuke has all sides touching, and it's really bad

[crude vector]

alright. hopefully it won't be too bad, otherwise I might just do Chie instead lmao - was thinking of potentially adding extra detail with Yukiko's portrait but there's 3 of them so idk 😭

[jovial kestrel]

i believe you’d only need to add detail to one of them lmao

and imo it’s not huge

i think there’s only one that touches the right edge, and i have the image aligned to the left edge

not sure how it works out in game but you should only have to touch the that one portrait

though if you’d only like to clean it up i understand lol

[crude vector]

I've just been slowly working on Yu at the moment

I'm actually missing the first 2 frames for Chie

[jovial kestrel]

ooooh is it?

did i forget to send em?

[crude vector]

perhaps? i only just noticed now lol

[jovial kestrel]

damn

well i wish i could send em again

all i really did was open the video rudiger sent in photoshop

dragged along until i got every frame

then cropped to an aspect ratio of 1024x256

no ffmpeg used at all lol

[crude vector]

I can look at my P4A videos but I only have it in 720p. but I guess given the resolution it shouldn't matter anyways bc I'm already scaling it down...

[jovial kestrel]

rudiger sent a 1080p video in here actually

in a google drive link i believe

[crude vector]

oh really

[jovial kestrel]

yeah it may take me a second to find lol

[crude vector]

found it lol

[jovial kestrel]

fuck

there you go

[storm topaz]

ok I'm starting them rn, do you want my edits to fit perfectly with the original cut ins

or do you want them to be as is

[jovial kestrel]

original cutins

[storm topaz]

ight fs

damn uhh it might be a little harder than I thought

they don't line up 1 to 1

so ig what I'll do is use the og as a template and add onto the new ones

[crude vector]

yeah it wasn't gonna be easy, you were always going to need to draw more stuff 😭

that's why I focused on everyone else besides Yosuke and Yukiko first...

[storm topaz]

was it cuz they were easier..☠️

cuz I stared at both of these and was like

https://tenor.com/view/jet-bean-killer-bean-ragdoll-ragdoll-fall-gif-23762382

ima have to improvise hella

[crude vector]

maybe

yukiko is only on one side at least so it isn't as bad

the other problem is that the kanji is quite visible with yosuke, although I could take some time to clean those up if that would help you

not perfect but no one will notice this at full game speed lol

[storm topaz]

ahh yeah, I see what you mean

I think I should get that removed easily, but if not I'll lyk👍

[jovial kestrel]

well actually

slight rephrase

any dimensions are fine

as long as it’s like, a good enough size

and an aspect ratio of 1024x256

i think chie, kanji, or naoto are a good reference

maybe adachi

[storm topaz]

yeah alr then, I was alr doing that lmaoo

good thing I don't have to scrap any work

[jovial kestrel]

yeah yeah

sorry i meant to say that earlier

got wrapped up in some stuff today

[storm topaz]

nah it's cool🤙

[jovial kestrel]

any progress pics to share 👀

[storm topaz]

if I can't get these doen by td I can finish em tmrw

it's a lot harder than I thought it was gonna be

[jovial kestrel]

ah no worries

yeah any time works really, not like there’s a rush lmao

i think brawler is still working on cleaning up some other ones still

[storm topaz]

this is all I got so far

this one's the hardest out of all the frames

[jovial kestrel]

that looks pretty incredible so far actually wow

[storm topaz]

frame 3 is the 2nd hardest

[jovial kestrel]

yeah i get what you mean

it looks like some super tough work

i still love how it’s coming along so far though, looks great

[storm topaz]

I'm gonna kms if I tweak the top part and looks like shit☠️

[jovial kestrel]

you can always try rapid testing in game with the dds method i described to brawler

just to get a good feel for it

[storm topaz]

ight fs

[crude vector]

it's looking good so far!

[storm topaz]

thank you🙏🙏

[crude vector]

I see you're also a paint.net enjoyer 😎

[storm topaz]

yeeeeahh lmaooo☠️☠️🤣🤣

Waint.net (occasionally)

aww fuck wait give me a sec

dont use this

ok here's frame 1

I had to get rid of a highlight

alr onto frame 2

[storm topaz]

here's frame 2

Im currently working on frame 3

[jovial kestrel]

i feel like the first and second frames don’t line up

but maybe my phone is doing some weird stuff

[storm topaz]

wym

like turning one layer on and the other one off it doesn't sync?

I can edit the first frame to make it look a little smoother if you want

like that bottom right doesn't look good to me ngl

[storm topaz]

or is it the colors?

[rare rain]

They seem fine when I tab one on and off in ps

[storm topaz]

I removed a bit of the bottom right of frame 1 and I think this looks slightly better

[crude vector]

that does look pretty good

[rare rain]

Would it be possible to stretch the effect on yosuke, the hair does look a lil weird without it lol

ig its applied over the images in epl anyway isnt it actually

[crude vector]

it might not even end up being noticeable in practice, hard to say

[storm topaz]

yeah I was planning on adding it once I was 100% finished with the extended frames

[rare rain]

Gotcha

Looks very good so far imo

[storm topaz]

thank you🙏 🙏

btw while we're talkin bout yosuke, what happened to the griddy anims⁉️

[rare rain]

I forgot to look for it 💀

[storm topaz]

ight fsfs lmaoo🤣

[jovial kestrel]

sorry for dipping i was having dinner lol

it was just a glance but the glasses seemed different between the two

looks fine now that i have a chance to look lmao

can’t wait for it to get worked out

[storm topaz]

nahhh dw abt it dude, glad to know there's nothing wrong with it

💯 🙏

and here's frame 3

now its time to extend the white bars on all of em

[crude vector]

those look real good

[storm topaz]

alr here's the final ones

[storm topaz]

tyty🙏 🙏 🙏

@jovial kestrel what do you think?

you can test out the anims with discord btw lmaooo

[jovial kestrel]

looking fantastic

you able to test in game rn?

[storm topaz]

I don't think I can rn

[jovial kestrel]

rip

i think brawler is asleep too

[storm topaz]

I gotta shower rq and I also gotta sleep cuz I got work tmrw

[jovial kestrel]

yeah yeah it's late i get you

i appreciate you getting it done so fast though

im gonna be up for a bit lol so if anyone is able to test rn i can guide you along on making it work

[storm topaz]

but judging how the discord previews look when you spam left click with fullscreen I think it should work flawlessly in game

[jovial kestrel]

you're totally right oml

that looks fantastic

ill probably have to mess with the scaling values just a smidge maybe

ill have to see how it looks in game

currently the values are set the same as yukiko but those both touch the edge

so maybe it's fine

[storm topaz]

I tried shrinking the portrait so it'd fit more like the original, so I don't think scaling it will be needed

[jovial kestrel]

i'm kinda out of my element without my main PC or else id log on and get that merged with the vita files rn

[storm topaz]

at most a small bit of scaling🤔

[jovial kestrel]

nah not texture wise

model wise

[storm topaz]

oh what happened to it

[jovial kestrel]

texture is 1024x256 yeah?

[storm topaz]

yeah lol

[jovial kestrel]

do you think you could upload the texture files to like gd so they're uncompressed lol

[jovial kestrel]

started at UCDavis a couple weeks ago so it's packed away until i get caught up

i get distracted with mod stuff like this so easily lol

[storm topaz]

but did u notice how the portrait in the animation and the game one?

[crude vector]

I'm not asleep but it is pretty late

[storm topaz]

the game portrait is squished bcuz it gets stretched out

[jovial kestrel]

yeah you're right lol

[storm topaz]

so I squished it a bit so you won't do that much work with scaling

[jovial kestrel]

ehhh it's probably fine

[sturdy drum]

[jovial kestrel]

yeah as long as it's a 4:1 picture then we're good

[crude vector]

well I won't be asleep for a little longer so I can test in a little bit if you need it. i could load it via dds like I have been, that would be easy

[jovial kestrel]

yeah if you can brawler

id appreciate it

[storm topaz]

ohhh shit that's right bro💯

good luck with your studies man🙏

[jovial kestrel]

heh thank you

yeah ill probably set it up like

next weekend or two maybe

get back into things after that

[storm topaz]

ight fsfs, I'll just send em in a 7z file here

[jovial kestrel]

thanks

i have photoshop on my mac, am i able to export as a dds for you to use?

[jovial kestrel]

lotta other files in here lmao

[crude vector]

who are you talking to

[jovial kestrel]

sorry i meant to ping you brawler

[crude vector]

gotcha lol. yeah that would be nice

[storm topaz]

lol I thought you meant me☠️ 😅

[jovial kestrel]

shoot guess i don't have the option natively

gimme a second

[crude vector]

if it's too much trouble, don't worry about it, send it as a png and I can just convert it to dds myself

[jovial kestrel]

yeah that's a better idea

they don't even offer it for mac anymore

[crude vector]

Mac L

[jovial kestrel]

https://www.mediafire.com/file/euzbvjdtk2ibf0s/Untitled-1.png/file

macs suck so hard

oh you want to do something else besides watch youtube? pwease die :333

[crude vector]

could be worse. could be a Chromebook lol

[jovial kestrel]

nothing sadder than seeing all those comments on cool itch games like "can you make a chromebook port?"

[storm topaz]

wouldn't it just be an android port..?

[jovial kestrel]

yeah literally lol

people really oughta make more android ports of their games

[storm topaz]

average chromebook user

[jovial kestrel]

huge phone market, plus nintendo switch support kinda and chromebook support

[storm topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/tagar-smile-fire-flame-laptop-gif-16276365

[jovial kestrel]

potential vita support too in case it's coded well

[crude vector]

Persona 4 for Android when

[storm topaz]

I mean technically it's on Android

[jovial kestrel]

love telling people "you can just emulate P4G on android now" and watching their minds explode because they're in november of base P4 on aethersx2

[storm topaz]

thru PS2 emulation lmaooo

[jovial kestrel]

vita3k got an android port recently lol

you can totally play P4G on android now, it works

[jovial kestrel]

could be a little smaller and moved over slightly

[crude vector]

also imo the kanji that was left in the frames is just a little too noticeable. however, the hardest stuff has already been done at this point

[jovial kestrel]

yeah lol

[crude vector]

....I say that, but cleaning out the kanji takes a bit lol

[storm topaz]

fuck I forgor abt that☠️

[crude vector]

that's why I haven't made any progress.... I've been focusing on Yu but ran into the same thing

well you got the hardest stuff out of the way lol

[jovial kestrel]

yeah definitely needs to be moved over to the left

frame 1 has a bit of a stretching piece because it's touching the edge

also a lot of the hair is cut off and i wanna make sure all of that is shown lol

thank you so much for getting it tested brawler

you should get some sleep now

[storm topaz]

brawler tha goat

🫡

ight now that I'm done, I'll see if I can give Chihiro back her clipboard lol

[crude vector]

lol

[crude vector]

no prob, it was easy

i think it's just yu/yuki/chie who need cut-ins done now? chie should be easy, I'm focusing on cleaning up the Yu one but if anyone wants to do Chie I can send the frames tomorrow. Yukiko.... oof

[storm topaz]

I can do Chie and maybe Yukiko

I'll see if I can squeeze in time for Yukiko around next week

[crude vector]

here are the chie frames

no kanji at all so shouldn't be bad to crop out

[crude vector]

@jovial kestrel what should the cutin for the protag be called?

[jovial kestrel]

i think that one is called hair_animate that’s my bad

[crude vector]

very generic name haha

[jovial kestrel]

looking amazing

[jovial kestrel]

also yeah i ended up making the Yu one first and then having to go back and change the other ones names

[jovial kestrel]

i definitely am going to have to refamiliarize myself with how the model data works

so i can fix yosuke

i think maybe changing the position to that of yukiko should do it

as the zoom effect is the same size

[jovial kestrel]

oh btw

@crude vector whenever you get the rest of the textures fixed up, can you send the dds files on like gd or something lol, i wanna try merging the changes into the vita files

gonna try making an alt version with colorful cutin support too lol

[crude vector]

gd?

[jovial kestrel]

google drive

like a file hosting site

[crude vector]

oh, yeah sure

any reason I can't just send them here?

[jovial kestrel]

that way they won't get compressed over discord

[crude vector]

oh does discord do that

[jovial kestrel]

yeah for like

all images lol

[crude vector]

it even compresses dds's?

[jovial kestrel]

i might be wrong but i believe so

you can double check

[crude vector]

if I sent a zip would it get around that lol

[jovial kestrel]

if it embeds, then it'll compress it

it might just send it as a file

[crude vector]

well let's test

[jovial kestrel]

oh nope we're good then

[crude vector]

cool

[jovial kestrel]

sorry i assumed it would embed it like it does other images

[crude vector]

you're good. I figured it wouldn't bc dds isn't a common image format for cameras and such

[jovial kestrel]

yeah yeah

thanks

[crude vector]

np

[jovial kestrel]

gimconv says unsupported DDS

rip me

[crude vector]

do you need it in a different format?

[jovial kestrel]

nah i can just use magick apparently

did not

[rare rain]

Noesis can also help if imgmagic isn't installed btw

[jovial kestrel]

lol i'm so glad magick works

i can update my mod porting scripts to fix those issues

wow i do not remember how to move this stuff over

[jovial kestrel]

yeah i did not write it down or say it anywhere fuck me

i need to move yosukes over to the left

apparently there were unit values 69 17 and 15

but i apparently reset them all to zero to center em

and now i can’t find the mentions of them because there’s too many zeros

i’m so screwed 😭

[jovial kestrel]

@rare rain any idea how to move the cutin face texture over slightly

like just off the top of your head

i checked like, the bone itself

the animation in koma_bone_trs_fcurve

i need to move yosuke over to the left

[jovial kestrel]

anyone around to test yosuke real quick?

i found out how to move it to the left

i believe at least >.>

in gmoview it looks the exact same so who knows

[crude vector]

yea

[jovial kestrel]

cool lemme get it rebuilt

you're gonna need to rename it

if it's not any different then ima cry

[crude vector]

I... think it's different? but it's pretty low res...

[jovial kestrel]

oh is it not loading the new external texture?

and yeah that's definitely an improvement but not like

super huge

gimme a second, lemme change the value to that of yukiko

[crude vector]

I removed the external texture I figured you didn't want it in there. do you?

[jovial kestrel]

well it's only there for the PC andy's so they have HD textures

[crude vector]

ah i see

let me load it with the external texture then

[jovial kestrel]

also yukiko is set to 1 already so that would make it farther to the right

[crude vector]

oh wait actually i recorded it with the external texture earlier already lol

think it looks pretty good

[jovial kestrel]

yeah that looks pretty dang good

lemme see if i can like

make it a little bit better

position of -15

[crude vector]

and the old kanji texture needs some cleaning up too but well we already know that

[crude vector]

speaking of that, i didnt realize until now that they use !! instead

[jovial kestrel]

pos of -15, needs to be renamed still

lemme know

[crude vector]

i accidentally clicked new game and you cant back out lol. gg

imo prev one was better

just a little too far to the left now

[jovial kestrel]

ngl

i actually like that better

i think you get to see more of the hair in general

and it's more centered imo

let's see what other people think

i posted both files so people can easily test

[crude vector]

yea i just dont like that it's no longer centered

[jovial kestrel]

is it no longer centered?

it feels more centered to me lol

[crude vector]

both are left of center but the first one is better

[jovial kestrel]

ehhhh

i think that this little space being gone is better

dunno why

[crude vector]

"better" meaning better centered to be clear lol

[jovial kestrel]

yeah i get what you mean'

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

let's see what other people think when they check it out

i see where you're coming from though

[crude vector]

yeah personally I'd prefer it being centered since the cut-in takes up the whole screen and it feels weird having it not be centered, but idk how it is for the other cut-ins by default

[rare rain]

Didn't we do this before

Translate values

[jovial kestrel]

i was struggling ngl

but i got it worked out

[rare rain]

Lol good

[jovial kestrel]

approached it with a clearer mind this morning and got it worked out in two seconds

i just think the fact that gmo view wasn’t really representing the change that well kinda tripped me up

which one do you think is better btw mudkip

[jovial kestrel]

this

[jovial kestrel]

or this

[rare rain]

I meant this 💀

[jovial kestrel]

seems like most people i asked prefer the other version

[rare rain]

Wait no I rewatched

I was right the first time

Man my brain is fried af rn

[jovial kestrel]

lmao

alright going with the old position then it seems

[jovial kestrel]

so this EPL

[crude vector]

isn't that the newest one or is that the one other people ultimately liked more

[jovial kestrel]

wait shit you're right

[jovial kestrel]

this one 💀

my brain is also fried atm lmao

package has been reupped

does anyone have a screenshot of how the mod looks in reloaded actually?

never seen it before lol

[crude vector]

it's just the default template really, no thumbnail, no author (I think), etc

I'll get a screenshot though hang on

[jovial kestrel]

is there a template for a thumbnail image?

like isn't it square?

[crude vector]

it is indeed

[jovial kestrel]

lemme see what i can cook up lol

on the last day before they shut down my photoshop for being cracked 😭

[rare rain]

you can change what the default one is too

[crude vector]

you sure like that image 😭
description fixed of course

[rare rain]

a little

[crude vector]

i hate those side buttons

😭

[jovial kestrel]

fuck i don't have the P4 font on my mac

we are not cooking

[rare rain]

whats it called again

i can grab

[jovial kestrel]

i forget it's like

font std b e something

[rare rain]

https://archive.org/download/Fontworks/Japanese/Design Typeface/FOT-SkipStd-B.otf

[jovial kestrel]

thank you

yeah i can't get what i want to do done

how tf do you warp text like all the persona logos

[crude vector]

probably like a 3D rotation

although tbh it's really annoying with like the P4 logo bc of the scaling of their letters

like the P is rotated differently, the 4 is smaller than normal, etc

[jovial kestrel]

yeah i give up lol

it's sorta okay

[storm topaz]

shiiiii do u want me to make it? I can cook smth up rq

[jovial kestrel]

yeah you've been pretty good with this thumbnail stuff lol

[crude vector]

mod thumbnails are like a whole thing in themselves idk how people do it

my thumbnails are ass LMAO

[storm topaz]

proof? lmaooo

I can redo em all if you'd like💯 💯 💯

[jovial kestrel]

was kinda hoping for something like this

but with a more interesting background

[storm topaz]

ight fs, I alr have an idea that I can try

[crude vector]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/440681
https://gamebanana.com/mods/438386

tbh most of my mods are tiny mods so I'm not too attached to them, but the mod I've been working on lately is a far larger mod so if you've got any tips for thumbnails lmao

[storm topaz]

shit I'm down to help

[crude vector]

in paint.net, I use the rotate/zoom tool for the text, it just takes trial and error unfortunately 😭 idk if there's a better way to do it

[storm topaz]

there's plugins you can download that really help with many things yk

like base pdn is limiting asf

[crude vector]

that's the big thing with pdn

the thing that sucks is that it's all over the place so it's rough to find them sometimes (Photoshop and gimp in comparison probably have all that stuff built in...)

[storm topaz]

true

it is what it is, could be worse ngl

[crude vector]

it is a free program with a simple UI and lots of features

[storm topaz]

I'm speaking as a pdn user myself lmaoo

[crude vector]

it's been good enough for me for most things haha, I haven't had the need for something more powerful yet.

my poor thumbnail quality is purely from my not knowing how to make a good thumbnail 😭

[storm topaz]

real shit☠️

but honestly the more you fw it, the better you get at using pdn as well as making thumbnails

idk if u remember but my old ones were scuffed as hell😅

[crude vector]

how old are we talking here bc I only really started modding (as a user) in late 2022 and learning to make mods earlier this year 💀

[storm topaz]

like 2020 ish

or 2021 if I remember correctly

I actually saved the original thumbnails for Tiny Tweaks so you can actually see the progression

[crude vector]

yeah I joined the modding scene a little late lol so I don't think I ever saw those old thumbnails

honestly there really oughta be a thumbnail guide out there /j

[storm topaz]

honestly, what I recommend is to look at other people's thumbnails, find what you like about them, and try to merge those things into your own style

it doesn't have to be persona related, it could be album covers, youtube thumbnails, advertisements, etc.

@jovial kestrel what do you think of this? I can tweak it if you don't like it🤔

[jovial kestrel]

nah i love that lol

that’s great

[storm topaz]

I personally think I need to do smth else

like Ik I can do better lol

[jovial kestrel]

maybe a bit more color for the background so it’s more similar to P4G promo material

see if you can find random clip art

[storm topaz]

@jovial kestrel Alr how does this look?

[jovial kestrel]

holy shit

that’s perfect oml

[storm topaz]

I think this is better ngl

[crude vector]

that one is far more readable

[jovial kestrel]

gaw damn

that’s amazing

[crude vector]

guess I gotta release more mods to have more thumbnails to make lol

[storm topaz]

yeah ngl the other one's ass compared to this one☠️

[crude vector]

honestly it's not even that bad it's just not very readable, but I don't think that would've been hard to fix anyways

[jovial kestrel]

also i meant to ask this earlier

how does everyone feel about the motion of the frames?

does it need to be adjusted at all?

i actually made a mistake when making the little code bit for it

so instead of it moving every 3 frames, it moves every 4 frames

is that a huge issue?

i mean it feels fine on hardware considering it's 30 fps, but what about higher fps on PC?

[crude vector]

I don't really see any issues. the animation is already going to be slower anyways bc less frames to work with so the spacing doesn't feel like a huge deal

[prisma verge]

Quick Question, is it currently compatible with Colorful Cut ins?

[jovial kestrel]

yup!

assuming you’re on the latest patch it is

[prisma verge]

Let’s goooooo

[crude vector]

guess who forgot about this again LMAO

what frames are left? idr

[jovial kestrel]

chie and yukiko lol

and removing the kanji from yosukes @crude vector

[crude vector]

sigh.... Yukiko

[crude vector]

removed the kanji

[jovial kestrel]

perfect

thank you so much brawler

[crude vector]

thoughts?

if that looks good enough, here's the associated dds

[jovial kestrel]

are you able to move the texture over to the right some more to align it better

so it’s more centered

i already have the bone itself centered on position 0 like yosuke, it just seems like the texture itself isn’t centered

if you want i can send a reference image

besides that, loving how it got cleaned up

[crude vector]

not without cropping more of the top and bottom

[jovial kestrel]

wait what

i’m on my phone rn, can you send a pic of what you mean

[crude vector]

the frame is as far right as it can be

here's one of the cleaned frames before resizing and cropping

I already have to crop the top and bottom a bit to have it fit properly

[jovial kestrel]

yeah you’re supposed to crop the image to an aspect ratio of 1024x256

[crude vector]

so essentially I would have to zoom in slightly more to center it

[jovial kestrel]

huh ok gimme a second

[crude vector]

thus cropping even more of the top or bottom

if that's fine with you, I can do that

I'll also point out that it's already reasonably centered based on her nose (at least in my image editor), it's just that there's more hair on her right than her left

[jovial kestrel]

ok so i got the image converted

here's the texture i mean, and your texture

notice how the original texture is more to the middle?

and there's less space on the right?

i just mean like

[jovial kestrel]

move em towards the right so it's centered like it is here

[crude vector]

I get what you're saying, this image is less centered relative to her face though. if that's what you want though, I can do that

[jovial kestrel]

just see how it looks in game

[crude vector]

ok

[jovial kestrel]

i've seen videos of how it looks with my texture and it's more dead on to me at least

[crude vector]

yeah my approach is centered relative to her face but because her hair is offset to one side (if that makes sense), it makes the image as a whole appear roughly off center.

I prefer my approach though because chie isn't the only asymmetric portrait, Yukiko's is also asymmetric

[crude vector]

(just to a more extreme degree)

[jovial kestrel]

yeah i get where you're coming from, no worries there

forgive the crust, vita recording >.>

[crude vector]

it's cool haha

[jovial kestrel]

just an example of what i mean

the difference is slight, i know

but it's better imo

[crude vector]

if it's ok, I would ask other people what they think bc that one looks noticeably off center to me

[jovial kestrel]

yeah we can ask other people sure

[crude vector]

but give me a bit and I can still make something like that since I have the source frames cleaned up

[jovial kestrel]

alrighty

yeah we can compare with crisp clean HD videos instead of whatever i just posted lmaoooo

[crude vector]

honestly yours still gets the point across lol

[jovial kestrel]

also i'm kinda surprised you've never had that warbling issue when making the HD textures

[crude vector]

warbling issue?

[jovial kestrel]

a lot of times i would drag the texture in and it would be slightly out of alignment

and it would wiggle back and forth slightly

[crude vector]

ah

[jovial kestrel]

happened soooooo often to me

[crude vector]

I edit the source directly, and then crop/resize identically for each frame to avoid that issue altogether

the source isn't wiggly so if I do that, it kinda helps just avoid it altogether

[jovial kestrel]

ah yeah i get what you mean

me and my jank setups like always lmao

[crude vector]

it's fine haha. takes time plus trial and error to learn these sort of things

I'd like to think I'm good at this stuff though lol

[jovial kestrel]

yeah you're pretty good at a lot of this stuff

soon ill have my computer set back up

i think trying to do mod work on a trackpad recently is throwing me off

something about trying to do small zooms in audacity and constant fine tuning of loop points makes my back hurt somehow

[crude vector]

get yourself like a $5 mouse even a cheap mouse is better than a trackpad

[jovial kestrel]

oh yeah i have a shitty 3 dollar mouse actually

it's just so jank having to plug it into my computer with a usb-c adapter

[jovial kestrel]

wait

did you have to crop it some more?

can you send me your clean frames real quick lol

like each individual one

[jovial kestrel]

i mean couldn't you just take the clean frames and move em over to the right in the canvas?

[crude vector]

yes

[crude vector]

no

[crude vector]

.

[jovial kestrel]

can you send me the clean frames from before

like the individual ones?

[jovial kestrel]

huh weird so uh

you didn't crop the images to a canvas of 1024x256 lol

[crude vector]

yeah bc i did that afterwards

all i did first was cut out the background and clean up the kanji (in this case there were none), before resizing and cropping

[jovial kestrel]

weird

i did that too in a slightly different order and had space on the right and left

[crude vector]

that is the entire frame though, I pulled that directly from the P4A clip earlier

for reference this is the original frame you had sent a while back

and this is frame 1 of the frames I ended up cropping myself, so the same frame
there is nothing to the left of that bc the anime cuts that off

[jovial kestrel]

yeah that frame is cut off on the left

yeah i'm struggling to wrap my head around this haha

[crude vector]

and here's the frame from the anime

or a frame bc this isn't the frame i used, since the kanji is there

[jovial kestrel]

i was kinda hoping for spacing like this, but with the hd texture

[crude vector]

what it looks like to me here is that the left side has a distinct cutoff

to fix that would require drawing in that part

[jovial kestrel]

yeah yeah

so you're saying we should like

align it to that edge to hide the sharp cut off?

like what i did with yukiko?

[crude vector]

that's what I did, yeah

I think the sharp cutoff like that is rly ugly otherwise

[jovial kestrel]

yeah i get what you mean yeah

[crude vector]

you go with this (centered relative to the face)

[crude vector]

or this (zoomed in slightly, centered relative to her hair, which is asymmetric in itself)

[jovial kestrel]

yeah i think you're right lmao

looking at the video you sent originally, it seems better now

[jovial kestrel]

this one seems better in the end

yeah yours is better in the end it seems

i need to collect all of these textures in one place so i can merge them with the models eventually

[crude vector]

if you're ok with cropping the top and bottom of yukiko's frames, that should be very easy

[jovial kestrel]

how much cropping?

because honestly

to me i feel like yukiko is fine it's current state

just needs cleaned up textures

like the left side cropping seems to hide most of the jank

but if you have an idea of how much cropping is needed, lemme know

[crude vector]

actually, likely not nearly as much cropping as i thought

let me go cut out the background, hopefully shouldn't be too bad

[jovial kestrel]

yeah

i probably messed up real bad with her texture considering the color of her hair in this and what the background looked like lmao

[crude vector]

oh i need to edit out the kanji so it'll take a bit actually

[crude vector]

...do i have an outdated version of the yukiko epl?

[jovial kestrel]

what the fuck

uh yeah i think so lol

[crude vector]

send me the latest one?

[jovial kestrel]

gimme a second

no idea how that happened honestly

[crude vector]

ty

[jovial kestrel]

if it happens again then ill have to repack the EPL and check it seems lol

[crude vector]

same issue

here's the higher quality dds as well whenever you get that fixed

[jovial kestrel]

i'm so confused wtf

the position data is fine in the model data

lemme check in game

it works fine on hardware

[crude vector]

the name is correct right?

although i dont think that would be the issue lol

[jovial kestrel]

yeah no name is correct

huh so maybe it's the texture????

this might be hard to show gimme a second

[crude vector]

yeah it's just weird bc this looks fine to me lol

[jovial kestrel]

your texture lol

wait sorry

my texture vs your texture

i think i just need to move the bone over to the right or something

[crude vector]

huh, is there a reason the yukiko ones are shifted right for yours?

yea maybe

[jovial kestrel]

legit no idea 💀

i'm pretty sure i went in and changed everyones koma (so cutin face) position to 1 to center them better

and thought yukiko looked good with it

i think i need to set it to either 31 or 69 i forget

are you willing to test a few EPLs?

[crude vector]

sure

[jovial kestrel]

well 15, 31, or 69 actually

ill make 3

[crude vector]

i mean maybe too many would be a little much lol

is it possible to copy paste them over different characters so I can test multiple in one go?

[jovial kestrel]

oh yeah that's a much better idea lol

how about that haha

[crude vector]

my current party is yosuke, yukiko, kanji, so maybe just those three each time

just bc you cant switch party members in dungeons

[jovial kestrel]

15, 31, and 69 in that other

yukiko is pos 15, yosuke is pos 31, and kanji is pos 69

[jovial kestrel]

are you not using custom sub menu lol

or is that not a feature in 64 bit yet

[crude vector]

custom sub menu never let you switch party members in dungeons, at least not without it kicking you back to the entrance

[jovial kestrel]

huh?

it doesn't do that for me on vita

it just returns me to the start of the floor

i use organize party all the time and always grind on naoto's 6th floor dungeon

[jovial kestrel]

always returns me to the start with the same consistent enemies

[crude vector]

wild

[jovial kestrel]

bruh did it even move wtf

[crude vector]

yes

yukiko's moved left for some reason relative to yosuke

[jovial kestrel]

ok so kanji is the closest at 69

[crude vector]

oh wait

no that makes sense with how you did it

[jovial kestrel]

yeah lol

[crude vector]

yeah you gotta go further though

[jovial kestrel]

yeah definitely