Ars Technica

[fresh condor]

If we go this route, I guess the turrets will all look alike when encased. Maybe it would make sense for the tooltip to say what kind of turret it is.

@flat summit can you try to see if this build fixes your crash issue?
Also this a7 has the above model for the encased turret.

[flat summit]

instantly from booting, sorry for the delay, I'm studying for exam week

will boot up the new build in the background and give you news!

[fresh condor]

No problem, that studying is infinitely more important!

[flat summit]

also, love the new model

does it connect to casing textures?

[fresh condor]

No(t yet) 😢

I think I need to change it away from the current renderer first, should definitely not be a geo renderer anymore (those are for animated entities)

[flat summit]

I'm sure you'll figure it out soon

Did you think about my prism suggestion? I'd love to build huge infrastructure to launch absurdly long spells

[flat summit]

it's fixed, praise be!

[fresh condor]

Yes. I like the suggestion, and I would like to look into it at some point.
But I think for 1.1 I'm trying to wrap up with what's in 'Next'.

There's a backlog of many of the ideas written in here. I did not capture all of them so far, most likely because I just lost track at some point 😅

But I was thinking about that, I think it could be cool if people could influence the priority of that backlog, I'm looking into it right now

Try going to https://trello.com/b/mXXikM5Y/ars-technica now. I think I have enabled a powerup called 'Voting' which allows you to 👍 items

[flat summit]

Oh, I'm not rushing you in any way shape or form! I'm just curious if my suggestion has took. And take it did!

I love the reference image you added, has a very dwemer vibe

for the building gadget, right?

[fresh condor]

Haha thanks. It is actually the lament configuration, straight from hell.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hellraiser/images/c/c9/Hellraiser-II-lament-configuration-leviathan.gif/revision/latest?cb=20220322080613

I do not intend for it to spawn any cenobites however, I just love the design of it

[flat summit]

I didn't know what it was, but I love its appearance

And while I know about Clive Barker's work, the only cenobite I'm familiar with is Elesh Norn

thank god she's dead

[fresh condor]

Damn that's also a cool one

[flat summit]

That's magic the gathering. There's a lot of stuff from lore I'm trying to replicate with the stuff in ars, like Urza's powerplant, golem factories, strip mines... My suggestion for prisms is also because of that, somewhat?

Particularly, I want to try and create a dome that dispells entities trying to cross a certain treshold, like spell projectiles. But to do that, at least in the scale I need, I'd need at least 10 more slots for glyphs.

Defense grid, it's called

[glossy escarp]

Maybe also add the ability to hide the turret face with the runic wrench or the dominion wand if you shift right click?

[fresh condor]

Aren't there already some things in Ars Nouveau that would allow you to make a block look like another block? I mean I think you can just make it look like an Andesite Casing that way instead?

[fresh condor]

Version 1.1.0-a7 on the way for approval

• feat change the Encased Turret Block model to be cubic
• fix crash related to Encased Turret registration
• feat improve whirl processing physics, it should no longer be a problem to throw items into active whirls. Wearing the Focus of Transmutation will noticeably change the velocity of items.

feat/fix for the last one I guess 😄

[glossy escarp]

you added the ability to encase turrets with mirrorweave?

[fresh condor]

I did not

[glossy escarp]

Then wym by that?

[fresh condor]

I thought it was already possible actually 😅 I never tried using mirrorweave

[glossy escarp]

lmao

[fresh condor]

I'm gonna disable the basic spell turret mixin for now, meaning it won't be possible to encase basic spell turrets. I took a stab at implementing this for the other turrets but it's just too much work, too much code to maintain for my liking. It is probably possible to do this in a better way, but I don't have the Java/Forge know-how to see that yet.

[fresh condor]

I at least couldn't figure out how I might reduce it to be e.g. 1 mixin or tying the old tile entity to the new block class. I wish I could just slap a virtual block on top of turrets and call it a day - maybe I need to check out the mirrorweave thing down the line when I have more willpower 😅

1.1.0-b1 is under review

• remove ability to encase basic spell turrets - this feature may return again in a future version
• fix technomancer's hat having clipping issues for certain skins by increasing its size

I'll be having a look at making the runic spanner pick up Ars Nouveau contraptions next, but I guess that would also require several mixins 🤔 Let's see how it goes, those on their own is not super bad.

[fresh condor]

1.1.0-b2 on the way for approval

• fix: crash related to partial model registration (Source Motor)
• fix: lack of translation for Source Motor
• feat: Runic Spanner can pick up turrets, containment jars and pedestals by shift-right-clicking

[fresh condor]

1.1.0-b3 on the way for approval

• fix: crash related to using modernfix with mixin.perf.dynamic_resources=true by removing the arcane shaft in the source motor for now
• feat: add particles for Obliterate when it hits the block/entity

Got no clue how Create was able to register those partial models without running into that issue. I looked into converting the source motor to a georenderer but it's not a quick fix. Maybe another time, would have looked kind of cool with two axises rotating at different speeds

[fresh condor]

**🎉 1.1.0 released 🎉 **

Changelog since 1.0.0

• feat: added glyph Obliterate (crush items and mobs)
• feat: Runic Spanner can pick up turrets, containment jars and pedestals by shift-right-clicking
• feat: added Source Motor (converts source to kinetic rotation)
• feat: arcane press and polish can be colored like the Obliterate hammer
• feat: improve whirl processing physics, it should no longer be a problem to throw items into active whirls. Wearing the Focus of Transmutation will noticeably change the velocity of items.
• feat: added music disc 'pocket factory'
• fix: Technomancer's hat having clipping issues for certain skins by increasing its size
• fix: 'WIP' set item description on Technomancer armor

[glossy escarp]

this spell make hammer stop showing or working, those are amplify III not normal amplify

[main flare]

so it basically becomes too big

and too slow

[glossy escarp]

Yes

I recommend the slowness become linier rather then exponential

[main flare]

maybe try to find the maximum that works?

[glossy escarp]

the maximum is 4 tier 3 amplify

[main flare]

so it can be a baseline to adjust for zero

[glossy escarp]

Putting one more will make it not show up

[main flare]

so 16 amplification

[glossy escarp]

I think yea

[fresh condor]

Yeah this is what I was trying to point out earlier with testing, but you are also right that there's not really a good reason for it not scaling more gracefully. I will have a look into it!

Someone also managed to open a PR and fix the arcane shaft issue with the motor, so I will make a patch at some point this week.

[opaque gorge]

What about 4 tier 3 and 1 tier 1?

[opaque gorge]

You should be fine to just clamp it at a maximum slowness

[main flare]

or cap the amount of amps actually counted

idk how much damage it does compared to other glyphs

[glossy escarp]

That show it and work, but take 6 second for the hammer to land, also 4 tier 3 and 3 tier 1 is the maximum before the hammer vanish

Tho it take 20 second instead of 6

the impending doom lmao

cap the slowness dont cap the size plz

[opaque gorge]

Couple thoughts:

• Swing motion should be sped up and only the windup should slow down
• Hammer should provide an effect that can be dispelled, so you can stack as many amps on it as you want, but it's a trade off, guarantee to hit or more power
• Possibly allow the amp to be counteracted with an to speed up the hammer also?

[glossy escarp]

spoiler alert : ||it only delt around a 120 heart||

[river nacelle]

Spider hammer spider hammer

[opal hinge]

you could use incinerate or ignite

[main heron]

That's genuinely hilarious.

A ring of giant hammers all smashing something at once.

[fresh condor]

1.1.1 is on the way for approval!

• fix: arcane shaft not rendering for source motor (thanks Sethrow2 for fixing it!)
• fix: Obliterate's arcane hammer scaling (clamp speed to a minimum of 0.6, speed now only affects the charging up, not the swinging)
• feat: better tooltip for Focus of Transmutation

[timber nymph]

i can't unsee it.

[glossy escarp]

I wish insert act more as a magnent, IE it insert any items on ground to near by containers where it landed

[fresh condor]

I did not understand, could you elaborate?

[main flare]

they expected it to have an integrated ?

[glossy escarp]

Basically lets say there is items on ground if insert is cased on those items then it will try to find an invenotry and put them it, thats what i understood from the descrption i think im wrong

[fresh condor]

That is how it is supposed to work, sounds like there is a bug then, or I'm missing something

[main flare]

ah, doesn't insert only look for items in the tied inventory?

to insert into the aoe of the zone hit

[glossy escarp]

Oh....

It doesnt work, would love to have a vacuum like that drop to near by inventories

[fresh condor]

Cooking up a new block. I'll get to investigating Insert tomorrow!

[glossy escarp]

What it do?

[fresh condor]

Opposite of source motor!

[glossy escarp]

Turn Rotation power Into Source

I wonder if this will be more efficent then sourcelink lava from starbunclemania

[main flare]

isn't this literal passive source generation?

afaik you don't really expend nothing to make rotation power usually

because you can't store it

[glossy escarp]

sourceberry is also a passive source generator

Having create and hook it to infinite source lava and use the starbunclemania source thingy is insanely infinite passive source gen

Tho that seem easiest you can put a starbuncle on a wheel and that to generate source

[main flare]

they're conceptually different

infinite resource by farm != constant passive generation by a wheel

[glossy escarp]

Oh no i wasnt saying they the same

Im saying "passive source generation" isn't new thing

[fresh condor]

This is true but you can balance it by having this block require a large amount of stress units among other things

[main flare]

that's really the only way you can

[glossy escarp]

Please make it have a specfic roation speed required too

Since this will make sure nothing will passively make it work aside from like source motor/motors/ that one block that change speed

[fresh condor]

I plan to make it a block that requires some careful setup or it will backfire on you

[main flare]

it should at least either require a windmill or one of those steam engines to be on par with a potiongen

[glossy escarp]

Shoot a random spell if you dont give it a specfic speed

jk jk

Btw what you think of the idea of multiblock source storage?

[fresh condor]

It's a good idea, yeah!

[glossy escarp]

Let's gooo!!!

I would love to have a giant source tank at the back of my tank with Anta orb that can swapped to input or output giving source or taking source

[main flare]

Note: main reason why multi block stuff was not added, with "not needing it really if not for cosmetics" right after it, is that nobody here knows how to deal with them in the right way

I have a bit more hopes for 1.21 source cap

Simply because at that point all blocks belonging to the multi block would be referring to the same data structure

[fresh condor]

I don't think I would be exploring that before 1.21 regardless. On that note I checked for Create today, it's still "In Progress". They're also moving to NeoForge

[main flare]

(Which was pretty obvious)

[fresh condor]

I guess, either way it was nice to know I can look at examples for NeoForge integration from both Ars and Create when the time comes

[flat summit]

maybe a consumable?

something that's spent and needs to be constantly supplied

[glossy escarp]

It will make it inferior choice for source generation

[flat summit]

but will make it balanced

[glossy escarp]

Why bother making lower class source generation if its not ment to be a better alternative to what exist

[fresh condor]

Maybe it could require an infrequent supply of source berry for example

[glossy escarp]

Idk honeslty, i cant really give you good suggestion as my way of generating source for Ars X create is the starbunclemania Lava to source conversion, give me enough source to run everything in my base without touching any other source gen alterntive

And i have a sub source gen that use milk

[flat summit]

my old suggestion was consuming source gem blocks

they are renewable, although require infrastructure for automation

and can be crafted with no source input in imbuement chambers

my idea was that the source "alternator" "grinds" the blocks to release source

[glossy escarp]

An entire gem block is bit too expensive

also this is what i was talking about in term of source

Absolute Bonker

[flat summit]

Oh, I know that one

[glossy escarp]

Starbunclemania

[flat summit]

personally, I think a source gem block would be fine, but that's up to zeroregard

It's supposed to be a high-end source of... source

[glossy escarp]

I wonder how much source it gonna generate tho

to offest the price be it source gem block

[flat summit]

again, it's only a suggestion right now

[glossy escarp]

It should be at least above 2000

Source

To offest the price be it each source gem is 500 source needed

and require 4 source gem to make 1 source gem block

500 x 4 is 2000

[flat summit]

Oh, but you don't need to spend source to make gems

[glossy escarp]

Waiting on the source gem to be made

[flat summit]

it only accelerates the crafting

[glossy escarp]

Is littilry just k1lling yourself irl, you are wasting time that you will never get back

[flat summit]

That's why you automate it?

[glossy escarp]

Hm?

[flat summit]

Just, automate source gem crafting?

[glossy escarp]

Yea

Thats what i did?

Im just saying that source gem require 500 source to be made

If you want it to be effiecent

[flat summit]

How many imbuement chambers do you run in your system?

Lemme guess

one

[glossy escarp]

6, more and you will start causing lag as the imbudment chambers are entity

[flat summit]

Oh?

[glossy escarp]

Yea

they are entity

They are designed to not have shit ton of them

In your system

6 for a lot of source gem and 1 for each esseance

And you are set for good

As there isn't something in the game that require constent source gem/essance

With the alternator using source gem block then upgrading your area work would make sense

But it use source block and is not giving 3k-5k source then its not worth it or should be using a different recipe/something to cost

Honestly for me i love using experience gem as a price system, easy to automate always useful and even can be used as excess source rather then excess XP

[fresh condor]

Maybe it could make sense for the input item to be amethyst shards, as that's something that can be automated to fetch, isn't that easy to get and is also the item needed to create source gems anyway.

It largely comes down to balancing; how often the input item is consumed, how much stress units and RPM is needed and how much source it produces per minute - these should be chosen very carefully.

[main flare]

What the...

Someone hasn't switched all item rending to not use item entities I suppose 😮‍💨

[timber nymph]

oh my god

is that why i lag with my 32 + imbuement chambers

[main flare]

32 item entities shouldn't make the game lag on its own but anyway no reason for the item entity to exists in the first place

I'll make a PR to clear that out

[flat summit]

maybe have the consumption rate be proportional to input speed?

and have output speed be just like that too

[glossy escarp]

Please keep in mind the source cost to make source gem, as if the output is lower then the source gem cost then it gonna make it objectively one of worst source gen aside from agriculture source link

[flat summit]

There is no cost. The cost is for rushing it. In large enough quantities, enough imbuement chambers will do as much work as one with a source jar to the side

[glossy escarp]

Do you have evidence of what you claim?

How much imbudment chamber to match imbudment chamber with source

Don't forget cost of space and way to transfer ameythst to each imbudment chamber

Not everyone have space to put in a 100 imbudment chamber

[river nacelle]

Space is free. Comparators are effectively free. Once you set up automation and tell it to stop after a couple stacks, you can walk away and do something else while it produces, then never run out

[glossy escarp]

Are they now?, last time i checked most players usually take a lot of time to setup said space, and when you start the world you dont spawn with "free" comparators, even if lets say you do, and once you setup source automation of 50 jars each with a funnel that rain down amethyst to each one of them, are you seriously still telling me that this is "better" more "efficient" then just using source jar and cut out half of the imbudment chamber cost

Also you need a gold farm to make this much imbuement chambers, sure you could jar a zombifed pigiln for passive nugget but that Take source or if you have create make a gold farm with red sand, but at that stage no sane player would not have a source farm aswell

[river nacelle]

I'm not saying anything about efficiency, "better" etc. I'm more asking what your actual use of essence is that you feel you need to have it running constantly for source

[flat summit]

I'd have to calculate, but much less than 100 imbuement chambers. Besides, whatever space you need to do this with proper automation, comparators, threshold switches and etc will be worth the hands-free source gem production

[river nacelle]

Because it's not too difficult to set up full automation from amethyst to essence in less than a 16x16 area. Once you've got it set up to automatically run with zero input, you're done.

[glossy escarp]

il wait for your calculation once that happen il believe your statement

[glossy escarp]

Honeslty idk, i usually just sell it or use it as currency with other players

i even stated this in one of my points

that you dont need that much essances for you to waste gold on this much imbuemnt chambers

also with added charms from ars addition imbuement chambers got a second usage that i really love "Recharge" recharging your charms that give u passive buffs

which circle back to one of my point about imbuement chambers don't have a lot of usages to craft a lot of them

[river nacelle]

So you're saying that passive imbuement chambers are too slow for the essence you don't need

[glossy escarp]

When did I say that? What I said is that excessive crafting of imbuement chambers is a waste of resources since they’re hardly used again; only a few things even require a constant supply of essence or source gems. Having imbuemnt chambers running on source jars is objectively much, much more efficient. Even if you don’t need the essence constantly, it’s still a net positive to have a few imbuement chambers running on source rather than the huge, ongoing negative of crafting a bunch of imbuement chambers that only run passively once and then you’re set for good. Your statement makes it seem as if the imbuement system is flawed from the start

[glossy escarp]

Also you under valuing how Slow imbuement chambers are without source

[river nacelle]

People have definitely set up fire essence passive generation as their base source generation before

[glossy escarp]

Hence why i said "only a few things even require a constant supply of essance", one of them is the fire essance to source

Now does burning fire essance generate enough source to pay back the source cost from crafting it + crafting the source gem + giving you extra to work with?

Who know

[river nacelle]

It's identical. By design

[glossy escarp]

Identical as in doesnt give you extra back or does?

[river nacelle]

It takes 2000 source to turn a gem into a fire essence. It burns for 2000 source

If you're paying source to do the whole process, it's negative since it took 500 for the amethyst to gem

[glossy escarp]

Cuz if that the case having source gem block give you less then 2000 is balance even if its net negtive as ig its designed that way

[glossy escarp]

Ah

Too balanced system imo

[river nacelle]

By design

[glossy escarp]

il stick to my lava/milk source gen

And see how the alternator would work and see if i add it or not

[glossy escarp]

Guessing to push players to try out all kinds of other source genning

[river nacelle]

To not have a 2 step infinite loop be a self contained generator, correct

[flat summit]

which by the way, with create is already completely bypassable

even moreso with starbuncle mania

All you need is a spout depositing lava on buckets, a mechanical arm, two depots, a pedestal, a brass hopper and a brass funnel

With an endless lava source

the only reason for an alternator at all to exist is to have something that can quickly produce copious amounts of source

And if you're expending THAT amount of source, you might as well automate everything on mass-production levels

I could see maybe different items having different yields

like, nether stars releasing truly ludicrous amounts of source

or totems lasting more than source gems

idk how zeroregard is gonna do it

I certainly need an outlet for nether stars in my modpack...

[river nacelle]

Sure, but you're also just hand waving away the endless quick lava source

And as always we don't balance around create. We balance on vanilla. You can do infinite lava in vanilla too. It's dripstone

The point is though that "endless source" is more than just a couple hoppers or starbies. You need actual farming builds

If you're building a 10k lava source in the overworld, or running a train back and forth to the nether, cool. We got you to build it. That's a win

With fire essence. You can either build a big passive imbuement system for a generator, or you can use source to speed up the essence and have an item-based battery

Stack of fire essence is 12.something jars of source storage. Repository of essence is 691 jars of battery

[south iron]

Does anyone know what's going on

[fresh condor]

Yeah, I was too aggressive in where to put this creative tab.

I will look into fixing that, shouldn't take so much effort

Yees, much better. Thanks Ars Elemental, copied directly from ya.

[opaque gorge]

What do you depend on Elemental for?

[fresh condor]

You mean in general right, not about these tabs? I depend on Elemental actually only for one thing which is the Mark of Mastery to make the Technomancer armor, as I wanted the armor items to be the same Tier and feeling as the ones from Elemental.

I was thinking to maybe depend on more from Elemental but for now nothing is in works to rely more on that.

If nothing else comes to mind in the future I guess I could decouple usage from Elemental and find some other item instead of Mark of Mastery.

[fresh condor]

I took a look, it still seems to be functioning for me. What does it do for you? Or are you doing something different than I am?

[opaque gorge]

You can set up conditional recipes that use the mark of mastery if it exists, if not use a different item, so you can remove the dependency on Elemental

This is what I do for All The Arcanist Gear

[fresh condor]

Worrying more about the aesthetics than the balancing so far but I'll get out of Blockbench eventually

[glossy escarp]

I use it with a turret, without item frames

[glossy escarp]

How does it work lore wise?

[fresh condor]

The Source alternator is powered by Create's kinetic energy, and accepts crystal shards in its inventory. It uses two pneumatic stompers to crush and break them down, and applies heat until these turn into liquid source. The shards undergo intense pressure, releasing a dangerous amethyst steam that is toxic to inhale. The resulting liquid source accumulates in an internal tank and, once enough has been collected, is transferred to a nearby source relay.

[glossy escarp]

I love it, maybe add lava as cost aswell?

[flat summit]

If you do include an input for items, where is it going to be?

[glossy escarp]

that stand is Bs

[glossy escarp]

Also maybe make it accept ameythest shards instead of source gem?

[flat summit]

Trying my best to fill what little gaps you left in the explanation, but... I'd imagine that the rotational energy is to pulverize the solid fuel, and what it actually does is use the same arcane principles that the imbuement chamber uses to charge the atomized fuel with ambient source, creating source-gem analogue nanoparticles. The constant movement prevents the full nucleation into source gems, and allows the heat to destabilize the partially nucleated particles down into crystalline powder again, releasing the source within the containment chamber to be redirected.

Of course, the crystalline powder needs to be flushed, so that explains the "steam"

It's just very hot amethyst powder

From what little I understand on crystal formation, particle pulverization, "actual magic", ars nouveau lore and mechanics, this is... Fairly consistent?

[fresh condor]

I don't know yet, gotta make some small input on that front part

[flat summit]

Again, zeroregard takes aesthetic decisions that make sense from lore and science perspectives

[fresh condor]

You tell me. I was totally crap at chemistry and physics in school. Only barely scraped by for electrical engineering in university. I'm but a simple programmer

[flat summit]

I'd suggest the input be a black part

[fresh condor]

Mm yes but that part is the rotational input

On the other side that's supposed to be the steam output you shouldn't stand close to

[flat summit]

Aren't those the "crushing" heads?

[fresh condor]

Yes. I was thinking to put something else on top near those

[flat summit]

Hm...

Maybe have either the item input or the exhaust on top?

Then whatever you put there, you put the opposite on the golden part

I'd suggest the input, tbh.

[fresh condor]

I'll try noodling around next time I'm at blockbench

[flat summit]

keep cooking, king

[timber nymph]

nah bro it's consisent trust fr

[glossy escarp]

Fym, some of the stuff the stand did make absolutely no sense like the impaling scene

[timber nymph]

it was just showing the future to bucciarati

[glossy escarp]

"i cant interact with anything during time skip"

My ***

[timber nymph]

lol

but never has it been too crazy that you couldn't believe it

[glossy escarp]

There is a 3h video that explain all the plothole in this stand

I recommend watching it

[timber nymph]

dw i know it's hella inconsistent im joking around

[glossy escarp]

at least it wasn't as bs as s6 jotaro

[timber nymph]

whaat?

[glossy escarp]

You watched s6 right?

[timber nymph]

you're talking about s6 and not s3 dio?

[glossy escarp]

White snake ambushed the fastest stand in the show

[timber nymph]

yea

[glossy escarp]

That was insanely BS

[timber nymph]

pretty much

but he was 40

he wasn't exactly at his strongest

[glossy escarp]

I still think this was insane nerf

[timber nymph]

i can believe he had a blindspot trying to protect his daughter

yea, his durability goes way down in the stand stats, he LITERALLY got nerfed

[glossy escarp]

zeroregard come to see what we talking about his mod just to find 2 nerds yapping nonsense

[timber nymph]

oh yea

add mechanical ghosts pls

[glossy escarp]

A what

[timber nymph]

let's move to #off-topic

[timber nymph]

allegory for stands lol

[fresh condor]

i have no idea what you were taking about, but you have my seal of approval: 🦭

[timber nymph]

on a more serious note, can you make a conjure dome ritual?

a bit unrelated to create or ars, but it'd work on the basis of what you give it for materials

so if you give it glass, you'll make a dome out of glass

and you'll need a lot of glass if you're doing a big dome

[fresh condor]

That's very specific. I think I would rather work on the Builder's Gadget, that would allow you to conjure many shapes

I did work on it briefly but I saw that it would take quite some time to implement properly as I have to make a custom user interface etc

[timber nymph]

i see fair enough

thx for considering it anyway

can you make the whirl glyph, when augmented with or , actually pickup living entities and do dmg depending on what the whirl was accompanied by

lava, soul fire, fire dmg

for example

[fresh condor]

Probably should be for damaging entities.

I was also thinking to maybe allow mixing (Create) with

[timber nymph]

yea but what about recipes that create fluids

from solid materials

and superheating

[glossy escarp]

imagine not having RFToolsBuilder

[timber nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-that-gif-3772158041049763982

[glossy escarp]

Its block allow you to build massive circle/sphare/cylinders

its such a save for massive projects that are not cube

Question does the runic spanner change how fast the rune charge?

[glossy escarp]

it also is chunk based building meaning no lag for server :D

How

[fresh condor]

How what?

[glossy escarp]

How did you change

The rune recharge timer

[fresh condor]

You right click on a rune with the runic spanner

[main heron]

Welcome to the Ecole des Arts-Mecaniques.

God, I need to get this server situation figured out, I want to open it to the public but I've been so darn busy lately.

Job interview on Friday, should have time after that.

[glossy escarp]

It doesnt work for me

Also is it possible to make it 1s delay ish?

[fresh condor]

Best of luck! I have a 4th and final one tomorrow...

[fresh condor]

You are right, I must have broken it at some point 😦 I will look tomorrow at some point

[main heron]

Woah, that's a lot of interviews. We're only doing two for this position.

[flat summit]

did I just get accepted to a school of magical engineering I hadn't even applied for?

[main heron]

You sure did

Congratulation

[flat summit]

btw zeroregard sir, are you planning on uses for the waste amethyst smog?

[fresh condor]

I didn't plan on that but I'm open for ideas. Would be cool to be able to capture it to use for splash potions

[fresh condor]

Would also be really funny to capture it into regular potions and watch Amethyst Golems drink that to work faster

[south iron]

Does anyone know what this is for?

This cannot switch the mode of the robotic arm

Put it directly on it

[fresh condor]

The runic spanner is only for setting the cool down on runes but this is unfortunately broken at the moment. I will hopefully get some time to fix it today

[fresh condor]

Yes, those. But there is a bug

[fresh condor]

Wait, it's actually working fine. I was testing too quickly yesterday

[fresh condor]

This video has no sound. Do you hear a amethyst-esque sound when right-clicking? You can't see the cooldown without wearing Goggles or the Technomancer's hat

[fresh condor]

And I see what you mean now, thanks! I will have a look at it, that is definitely a bug.

[fresh condor]

Damn, seems like Create is checking specifically for the WRENCH item, instead of the item being an instanceof a Wrench.

[opaque gorge]

Time for a Create PR

[fresh condor]

Honestly yeah, that's probably a better approach. I think I would need to make a dozen mixins otherwise.

Either that or I just make a separate tool for this, if it's only for adjusting runes anyway... 🤔

[opaque gorge]

Have you added your wrench to the "forge:tools/wrench" tag?

[glossy escarp]

Nope

[fresh condor]

I have not done that, but good point! I wonder if it will fix the issue though. Create checks like this:

AllItems.WRENCH.isIn(heldByPlayer);
...
public static final ItemEntry<WrenchItem> WRENCH = REGISTRATE.item("wrench", WrenchItem::new)
    .properties(p -> p.stacksTo(1))
    .model(AssetLookup.itemModelWithPartials())
    .tag(AllItemTags.WRENCH.tag)
    .register();

Looks to me like it's looking at the specific item, so looking for "create:wrench" and not the tags (?)

[fresh condor]

Hmmm. Could you send me a list of which mods you use?

[opaque gorge]

It may work, it adds it to the tag and uses the isIn method which sounds like tags to me

[fresh condor]

Alright, thanks! I will give it a try right now

[glossy escarp]

Uhh some of the mods i complied them myself i need to send you the mod folder instead

[fresh condor]

Fair enough, that works too. Likely one of the mods does something with a RuneBlock mixin, adding an inject for "use" that is run before the injection Ars Technica adds. If that one cancels the run, Ars Technica doesn't get to do a check for the runic spanner.

[glossy escarp]

Let me test with just the custom mods and technica

[opaque gorge]

Why do you mixin to runeblock?

[glossy escarp]

Btw you should prob add dependecy for ars elemental in curseforge/modornith

As when i tried to use it without ars elemental it crashed the game

[fresh condor]

Binary elimination could help a lot with narrowing down the issue

[fresh condor]

I think the mod itself should already have this listed as a dependency and complain if you don't have it installed 🤔

[glossy escarp]

It didnt tell me

I need ars elemental

Also i have a hunch on Create Stuff And addition

[fresh condor]

Huh weird, maybe it does not function specifically for elemental. But it is at least mentioned on the Cursforge page that you must have Ars Elemental installed

[glossy escarp]

Okay so good news, it was not any of the custom mods

Bad news it was not any of the custom mods

Il just send the modpack

One sec

[fresh condor]

To be able to have specific behaviour for when you are wrenching a rune. I get the rune tile from there (which also has a mixin) so I can set a custom ticksUntilCharge value

[glossy escarp]

Btw how low can you make the rune?

recharge delay

[fresh condor]

It's only from 2 and in increments of 2 seconds up to 32 seconds. I'd like to make a better interface for this some day, similiar to the ones found in Create, so you could fine-tune it better and set it down to even 1 tick.

[opaque gorge]

The ticks until charge is just used to track a specific cooldown, not each cooldown, and you should be able to utilise useOn for the wrench

[glossy escarp]

1 Tick Rune.....

You have no idea what the stuff im gonna use this for

[fresh condor]

Yes indeed, so I introduced a new variable in the mixin called ticksUntilChargeCount which is what ticksUntilCharge gets set to instead of the hardcoded 20 * 2 value found in RuneTile

[opaque gorge]

Ah nice

[fresh condor]

Could maybe make sense to just introduce that into Ars Nouveau itself at some point instead of hacking this together :v

[opaque gorge]

Yeah would make sense

[fresh condor]

The tag fixed the Runic Spanner issue. Thanks a lot @opaque gorge !

[glossy escarp]

can you send an early access file for the mod i would like to test the rune recharge change

[fresh condor]

Yep, one sec

However I don't know if this fixes your issue, @glossy escarp . It definitely fixes the deployer issue @south iron had

[glossy escarp]

But doesnt Fix the Rune UI not showing?

[fresh condor]

You're wearing Goggles/Technomancer's Hat?

[glossy escarp]

Goggle and the monospy thingy

[fresh condor]

Very strange, seems like the mixin is not loaded at all then

[glossy escarp]

Do you think something overrided it?

[fresh condor]

I don't know why it's occurring because as far as I know, this is kind of the point of mixins, that you can add functionality on top of existing classes, so the idea is to not override completely. You target classes to 'mix' into, where you can instruct for new interfaces to be implemented, or to inject into existing functions. This RuneTileMixin implements IHaveGoggleInformation so unless someone else added the same thing which I doubt, it should not be overwritten here.

But perhaps some mod is doing something funky with mixins in general, I don't know the depth of this.

[glossy escarp]

Okay so its a mod that something to the wrench or it trigger when you have goggle, have you checked the modpack i sent?

[fresh condor]

Ah I missed that you sent it! Downloaded it now

And some progress

[glossy escarp]

Amethyst!!

[glossy escarp]

I love this from nerd prespective duo to me using amethyst for both ars and hexcasting

[glossy escarp]

So the golden spinny things are gravity manipulation that move the source once filled, but how would this look vertically?

[fresh condor]

In practice in terms of gameplay I'm not sure how nice this amethyst CD slot is. I was imagining starbuncles delivering the shard but you could also have that handled by other means, it's just an inventory. I'll cross that bridge when I get there, think it's time to start implementing something soon.

I wasn't thinking to allow vertical support for this block to be honest, at least not at first

[glossy escarp]

that work fine

Later down the line you could even do a redesign in 1.21 or smthing just like how ars redsigend a lot of the stuff

[main flare]

if you have AE in the mods.toml, it seems me switching to having a versioning that display well on maven have broke it

[fresh condor]

I have is in mods.toml like this:

[[dependencies.ars_technica]]
    modId = "ars_elemental"
    mandatory = true
    versionRange = "[1.20.1-0.6,)"
    ordering = "AFTER"
    side = "BOTH"

[main flare]

it should become simply [0.6, ) now

1.20 > 0.6 so if they use versions before the switch there won't be issues

but if you look for 1.20.1-... and the version of AE is now 0.6 it will say incompatible

having version with just version number is cleaner imho

you're not going to be able to use another mc version anyway

[main flare]

i can see little particles like imbuement chamber working for the part where ameth is

as if the amethyst collect the source from air then it's squeezed away and collected

[fresh condor]

I tried disabling mods one by one until it was just down to elemental, nouveau, create and Technica. I think it's a problem with Technica itself, seems mixins in general are not loaded correctly

So some sort of compilation issue, I'll noodle around later tomorrow

[glossy escarp]

Fair enough

[flat summit]

I think I might have a brilliant idea

[flat summit]

beauty

[flat summit]

Zeroregard, sir, do you perchance know about a fantasy setting called Kaladesh? They use a kind of magic contained within a steam medium in there

So their machines and artifice use pipes and such, kinda like the dwemer? But not really. There's a lot of art about it too

there's bound to be something that inspires a use for amethyst smog

[fresh condor]

I'm not familiar with the setting but would be nice to look up some art for it soon!

Some personal stuff has come up, I still need to fix that mixin issue but I think I'll need to take a proper break from "cooking" otherwise for a while 😢

[glossy escarp]

Take your time you are not on a deadline nor you have to meet one, you can put as much ingredient as you want but you can never rush the furance or else it burn up your cooking

[tight hedge]

How did you make it bigger and multiply it?

[glossy escarp]

Size scale with and "multiply" is just shoot more projectile

[timber nymph]

just a couple of ideas

you could make the splash potions of amethyst smog give blindness

there is not a potion of blindness in the game that i know of

and perhaps maybe even make it a glyph

and perhaps an automaton familiar

[glossy escarp]

Why would ameythest give you blindess

Have you not eaten these before?

They energize your senses

Make the potion allow you to predict the future

Call it potion of epitaph

[main heron]

... Abigail?

[glossy escarp]

what

[main heron]

Stardew Valley's Abigail eats amethyst.

Canonically.

[timber nymph]

smog is a type of fog

and fog limits vision

one could say it's a smog screen

[flat summit]

I think the construct familiar makes sense, but something akin to a permanent automaton would be better, as familiars can be dispelled. Of course, I don't know how zeroregard would do it, or if it's feasible at all

IMO, I think they could be used in dynamic spell prism lenses, or large source batteries

I'd imagine those as small blocks that can be stacked like create tanks

and they'd need a block for input and output, like pumps

passive, but respond to redstone signal

[fresh condor]

Early on I did have in mind to make a robotic tin colored dog called a Tincur. The only idea I had for it was that it should boost the output speed of schematic cannons and bark when the cannon was not printing (missing material) but I instead moved this perk to the Technomancer armor.

I think having a Create-centered familiar of sorts would be really nice though.

[flat summit]

maybe some different types?

a thopter, for example

maybe only one, but with modification modules

[smoky flare]

Excuse me, I never realized that Obliterate came with a huge ass hammer animation and now Im using
🔨 ⚡
To just Mjolnir stuff to death

[flat summit]

you can drop the delay, the hammer casts the remainder of the spell after it concludes

which includes it's fading

alternatively, you can substitute delay for lingering

[south iron]

May I ask if this angle deviation will be fixed

[south iron]

And it will be washed away by water

[fresh condor]

I tried for quite some time to fix it but unfortunately didn't find a solution yet. From what I can see, after I refactored the renderer, it's exactly the same as the one in Create. It's also not consistent, it might be perfectly aligned and then not when you exit and re-enter the game.

The water issue I have fixed though

1.1.2 on the way for approval

• fix: runic spanner not being able to set cooldown on runes
• fix: runic spanner not being able to pick up containment jars, pedestals and turrets
• fix: technomancer armor set bonus not affecting schematic cannons
• fix: thread of pressure not working
• fix: source motor being destroyed by water
• feat: cooldown range on runes expanded from 2-32 seconds to 1-32 seconds (hope it helps you a little bit @glossy escarp 😉)

[timber nymph]

oh my

following the trend of t3 threads, can you make the thread of pressure act as a 1-time shield when at full pressure, but only at full pressure

getting hit and activating the shield should take some pressure away to make it balanced obviously

[glossy escarp]

Well since its one time useage it can also work like + + Air focus

As in the prassure get released in a shock wave in a very small radius

[timber nymph]

ooh

what about a different effect depending on the elemental armor

[glossy escarp]

Like for the pyromancer or like the drown spell for hydromancer etc etc, tho that seem the mod is moving more toward ars with no create componenet aside from the pressurized tank

[fresh condor]

I like that idea a lot, and I think it would be really nice to expand a little bit on the other elemental armors like that.

Maybe just regular steam for Technomancer, lightning (static discharge) for Air, burning for Fire, drowning for Water, slow or extra knockback for Earth

[glossy escarp]

Dont forget this is for ars elemental so you can use the elemental glyphs too

Like the pointed drip stone for earth

[fresh condor]

Ah yeah that's a good one!

[timber nymph]

earth shrapnel ?

[timber nymph]

for water, what about steam that blinds you

[glossy escarp]

Yk not all of them have to work as a debuff and such, for example if you have hydromancer armor you could have the recharge speed triple when you are underwater

Thats just an example dont think it should be implemented

As iirc hydromancer work does give u permenent breathing underwater

Since steam is made out of heated water, maybe placing it on the fire one give you extra capacity, placing it on water make it recharge faster from the moist in the air, or the reverse work too

Ie water give you extra capacity and fire give u faster recharge

[timber nymph]

hmmm

now im really conflicted

because this concept is very interesting

but it's much more in depth than a thread might allow

so,,, what about

a pressure trinket in the body slot

it can be placed down and it can be charged like the back tank

[fresh condor]

Technically I think it's possible but like the complexity might be a bit tricky to explain in a tooltip

[timber nymph]

oh yea

[fresh condor]

But what would the reason for using that be if you have back tanks and threads?

[timber nymph]

because the body trinket slot is not the body armor slot'

[timber nymph]

in fact, it could share it's pressure with said items

[south iron]

My friend released a smash spell and collapsed. Can anyone take a look?

[south iron]

Can I still post it on GitHub after posting it here?

[fresh condor]

Yes of course!

I opened the log, should be an easy fix. You can post it on Github but it's also not necessary, up to you

1.1.3 on the way for approval

• fix: crash related to a null reference when casting Obliterate

Thanks for the crash log by the way @south iron. ❤️ If you experience some bug again in the future, the debug.log or latest.log would be more than enough to send

[smoky flare]

It looks goofy though. Much cooler when the lightning hits right after the hammer. Also, if you have Amp3, you can make the hammer STUPIDLY big and slow.
Or make it overflow until the animation doesn't even play but it's damage is instant

[flat summit]

Oh, it's immediate. What I meant is that the delay is merely enough so the lightning isn't no-selled by i-frames

looks the same as yours, but saves 2 glyphs

[regal slate]

minor "bug" in that this mod's recipes call for hardcoded brass ingots from Create instead of using Forge's tags; making it hard-to-almost impossible to craft the items if pack makers have disabled Create's brass for another mod. filed a github bug report so that this won't get lost in the discord

[timber nymph]

that is

huh

[regal slate]

made a pull req on github, hope it fixes things; i mostly know enough modding stuff to fix 1.7.10 mods so forge tags are a bit new to me

[opaque gorge]

Just dropped a comment for you

[regal slate]

in the interim, would kubejs help as a bandaid? seems to be the modern equivalent to modtweaker

[opaque gorge]

Yeah you can add tags with kubejs, or even a datapack

[regal slate]

the issue is swapping create:brass to ingots/brass

but it seems like kjs scripts can do find/replace

[opaque gorge]

Yeah you can do that, need to swap the item for the tag

[regal slate]

well, i managed to do something right with kubejs after almost 2 hours of trying to fix this

[fresh condor]

@regal slate can you try this build to see if it's fixed?

[regal slate]

yep, deleted my kubejs fix and it appears to work

[timber nymph]

hey

so i just had an idea

what if

the obliterate glyph

could hit twice

with the augment

and since it's hitting twice, the remainder of the spell would also hit twice

this could also be used in automation lines that require a back to back cruhsing wheel recipes (like sand)

[fresh condor]

1.1.4 on the way for approval

• fix: use tags instead of hard-coding references to brass ingots for recipes. If a modpack has disabled/unified brass ingots to any mod other than Create, it may be impossible to craft those items unless you find a workaround to get Create's Brass Ingots. (Thanks Purple-Towel for fixing this!)

[glossy escarp]

Kazuma you are a madman

[timber nymph]

i mean, it just makes sense

[flat summit]

the implications are waaaaaaaaay more exciting than that

that is essentially a linger effect, except it isn't limited by position

it follows the target

You'd need to limit it to not interact with linger, or wall, otherwise...

It'd get out of hand very quickly

[timber nymph]

yea pretty much

hmm

if there is a way

perhaps make it possible to make the hammer usable after linger but not before linger

but

no still

you can't do the exact same as linger

because yes you can apply linger twice

or thrice

but realistically if you do that you lose the homing advantage

and since linger was used it would also restrict further use of linger/wall/burst

[flat summit]

Frankly, I'd much rather Zeroregard cooks whatever he has in store than go back over already good features

I really want a large source storage option Ç.Ç

[south iron]

May I ask if it is possible to create a device in the future that can convert the fluid of the created medicine into medicine

[glossy escarp]

You mean potions?

[south iron]

Unable to input

[fresh condor]

I do not fully understand, I'm sorry. In the image, it's a pump/valve (I forgot the name) from Create. Below that, which block is that?

[main flare]

a potion jar

basically asking what the open PR i have on Creo does

[south iron]

Just asking if there will be a device in the future that can convert potions between create: motion and ars_nouveau: motion jar into each other

[glossy escarp]

Not my video but alex did work on something like this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928865526078402580/1296154268960555119/Minecraft_Forge__1.20.1_-_Singleplayer_2024-10-16_18-53-24.mp4?ex=673236bb&is=6730e53b&hm=58987c7b3b5dc9055058e60080612db519104d2bb52381c8aa43ed4c6a1003a8&

[south iron]

wow

Why not add it? Just asking

[glossy escarp]

Alex added it, baileyh the mod author need to approve it if i remember correctly

[south iron]

Can powerfulJS implement this feature? Just ask awa

[glossy escarp]

pretty sure we need baileyh approvel for it to be added, i dont think kubeJS can make it work maybe im wrong

[main flare]

well, one could attempt to recreate it using my PR as a base i guess

it's an event to attach the tank that acts as an interface and the actual tank that converts in/out fluid <-> potion

[glossy escarp]

I would do it myself if i didn't have a record of bricking mods with my codes

Maybe zeroregard can implement it as feature for ars technica?

[south iron]

Can schematicannon configure 1tick cooling, technomancer'helmet, etc. to accelerate?

[glossy escarp]

I don't think there is a configuration on how much speed ars technica can give, currently its on 100%, However you can increase schematic cannon using create own settings

[south iron]

I said the configuration has been changed to 1, can ars Technica still provide acceleration?

[glossy escarp]

Ah the answer is No cuz anything below 1 tick will cause a lot of lag

[fresh condor]

Ars Technica just removes a tick cool down every other frame, whatever the schematic cannon cool down is set to. Not 100% if that means it has no effect for a 1-tick delay.

if (technomancerNearby) {
            boolean subtractCooldown = world.getGameTime() % 2 == 0;
            if (printerCooldown > 0 && subtractCooldown) {
                printerCooldown--;
            }
        }

Again not sure but I think @glossy escarp is right in that no, it does not accelerate it further.

Technically I guess you could do it, what would happen is to simply print 2 blocks in 1 tick. I don't think it would lag noticeably more than just having two cannons run at the same time

[bold helm]

I'm getting this weird crash that I don't know how to fix
Java.lang.NullPointerException: Registry Object not present: ars_technica:pocket_factory_disc

[fresh condor]

Could you share with me the full crash log?

[south iron]

Speaking of which, there is already a glyph3 crush. Why not allow it to execute the stone grinding formula

[glossy escarp]

Hammer already does that

[fresh condor]

If I understand correctly, you are asking why the existing Crush glyph does not perform the Create crushing with this mod.

I had considered it, but then I am tampering too heavily with the vanilla Ars Nouveau experience. There could be something like adding a specific modifier to get it to crush in Create style instead of how Ars Nouveau does it, but I figured it to be too complicated.

Then I opted for the hammer, as it would distinguish it from the existing Crush glyph, while giving it further use-case as a weapon.

Very valid question honestly and I was hesitating for a long while on doing that instead of the Hammer, but also the hammer is a lot of fun to use imo 😄

[timber nymph]

you can spam hanmers because they don't need delay

enough is said lol

[main flare]

Wall of Hammers?

[main heron]

A fan of hammers.

[timber nymph]

One hammer to rule them all.

[south iron]

Can we stack the items synthesized by glyph_pack together from the beginning, as a large quantity can cause them to get stuck

[fresh condor]

I think I understand what you mean. Yes, we can I believe. However it might be a bit until I can have a look at it

[main flare]

ah, that optimization might actually be useful for all item entities spawning glyphs

but unsure on how it can be implemented, maybe by collecting the results first and then spawning them in a separate step like i was doing in my belt turret prototype

[south iron]

But would it be too late to execute the formula of the stone mill with a third level spell?

[main flare]

The hammer spell does process items like a mill / crushing wheels

[timber nymph]

can we have a glyph simulating potato cannon

it spends vegetables just like potato cannon but with magic

and maybe compat with sourceberry pie

for a hidden achievement

[glossy escarp]

It sound more of a replacement rather then an option, i prefer enchanter cannon

[timber nymph]

hmm

yes interesting

or make it work with reactive lol

[glossy escarp]

EXACLTY I was gonna say

"make it shoot reactive mage block"

[timber nymph]

nah it needs to be food

[glossy escarp]

that too

[opaque gorge]

Easy solution, make mage blocks edible

[timber nymph]

alright! we finally found a use solution for the amethyst smog, mageblocks!

as an item!

[glossy escarp]

Speaking of mage block i wish the block was slightly transparent

[river nacelle]

1.15 days

[timber nymph]

use gem blocks

[river nacelle]

Maybe 1.16 too?

[glossy escarp]

Just it would be good as a hex shield + dome barrier

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-sousou-no-frieren-defensive-magic-clone-gif-14382767115678268202

[timber nymph]

ima be real

[glossy escarp]

I mean can't i just make a resource pack to change mage block?

[timber nymph]

that's really interestnig

interesting

but, i wish there was more defense options in general

[glossy escarp]

Btw its not first time people asked for this

Im pretty sure there was feature request for shield/barrier like spells

[timber nymph]

idk man shielding is hard to do

[glossy escarp]

Not shield you carry it, but you summon it

Imagine carrying a shield as a mage

[timber nymph]

https://www.arsnouveau.wiki/category/equipment/entry/enchanters_shield

[glossy escarp]

I know

About enchanter shield

[timber nymph]

smart people stronk too

[glossy escarp]

Hmm how hard would be

To code a glyph that summon better Void Prism

[timber nymph]

soo

you want temporary bedrock

[glossy escarp]

Thin as a trap door, and have the transparency of stained glass, that nullfie any spell get contact with

[timber nymph]

i can't see how that might go wrong

[glossy escarp]

Nu uh

You can still use normal tools to break it

[timber nymph]

then... anti magic?

[glossy escarp]

Hell even throwing a brick work too, but its just immune to ars magic

Yes

Cuz currently we have no way of defending against magic

Void Prism is a joke

Imo

[timber nymph]

hahha

[glossy escarp]

What a wall of void prism gonna do against

Nothing

[timber nymph]

conjure terain +

is basically easy stuff

[glossy escarp]

What is that thing

At first

What form is that i havent tried 1.21 yet

[timber nymph]

pantomime

[glossy escarp]

What it does?

[timber nymph]

basically the best spell for placing blocks

can't really say how

it just is

unless ur in an edge case

[glossy escarp]

a better + ?

[timber nymph]

yes

[glossy escarp]

Still no Laser Form

[timber nymph]

shows u an outline

[glossy escarp]

Fancy

[timber nymph]

how would that work tho

[glossy escarp]

Sry i ment channel

[timber nymph]

is it just keep applying the spell every 0.5 seconds while u hold it?

cuz like, that'd be neat

but also

[glossy escarp]

Yeah

Yeah, honestly i think they should see m&a way of implementing it

[timber nymph]

i think...

[glossy escarp]

Basically when you channel, all mana regan stop

[timber nymph]

and hear me out

we make an augment for ray

that does this

[glossy escarp]

We need to talk to Alex about that

[main flare]

just hold down ray?

[timber nymph]

that's not the same...

in my heart lol

[fresh condor]

I went on vacation for a few days, checked halfway through for funsies and Ars Technica was at 21K downloads.
Now it's at 46.000 downloads, wonder what made it spike so quickly

[main flare]

adding to packs

[fresh condor]

Ahhh makes sense, thanks

[glossy escarp]

Also east asia talking about this mod a lot

[main heron]

Woah. Congrats Zero.

[south iron]

Runic Spanner cannot retract the assembled mining truck

[timber nymph]

nice

[flat summit]

First, congrats on the downloads, zeroregard sir!

Secondly, have you perchance watched Arcane? There's a lot from it I can see becoming inspiration to you

[toxic cliff]

You should a way to save contraptions and then cast them as spells

Like you could build a turret and then summon it and make the it cost more the more blocks it has

Could even add a thread that decreases the cost

[fresh condor]

I watched a few episodes of the first season but it wasn't really my thing story-wise. I liked the aesthetics and the setting though.

[flat summit]

it's pretty much all I think you'd like though

the aesthetics are just chef's kiss

can you spoil us anything that's coming to technica?

[fresh condor]

Well, I did actually do something tiny today, added a recipe for crushing Amethyst Shards into Amethyst Dust

So a continuation of what I did before.

I'm wrapping up my current job next week and will have some time for side projects in december, however ars technica is one of three projects I want to work on, so won't be super much... If I finish a source alternator that would be great

[flat summit]

oohhh, cool!

is the recipe done in the create crusher? and is the amethyst dust the fuel for the alternator?

[fresh condor]

Yes and yes!

[flat summit]

I've been thinking, and there is so much you could do with the amethyst smog! Synthetic crystals that can be drained for mana, giant arrays for source storage... Honestly, I think the direction you're taking the mod can be a whole new foundation for ars

[fresh condor]

Seems like Starbunclemania already does the job very well of handling conversion to source as a fluid, that was more or less what I had in mind. The only thing I would want is adding a recipe for (heated) mixing of amethyst dust with experience (the Ars Nouveau items farmed by Drygmy, as well as the XP item from Create) to convert to liquid source.

[fresh condor]

Version 1.2.0-a1 is being processed

• feat: added crushing recipe for turning amethyst shards into amethyst dust
• feat: added mixing recipe for creating liquid source from amethyst dust and experience gems (or experience nuggets)

Note that for now Starbunclemania is required; this will likely be an optional dependency later on.

At the moment the relation is this:

• 1 amethyst shard gets crushed to 3 amethyst dust
• 1 amethyst dust + 1 experience nugget/gem yields 250 mb of liquid source when heated-mixed in a basin

This can be a nice way to turn that excess XP from drygmy farms and excess shards into source for your base.

[glossy escarp]

i wonder how would this interact with amethyst dust from hexcasting

Just as expected, i only get ameythest dust from hexcasting

i dont get the technica one

[flat summit]

Zeroregard, sir! How do you feel about multiblock source storage using some byproduct of amethyst dust?

[glossy escarp]

Since ars technica now require starbunclemania and create, the source multiblock storage can be create fluids tanks storing fluid source and imo this is far better and stick true to roots of Ars (and if you have fluid multiblock mod you can make all type of fluid storage design)

We dont need more ways of storing source, transferring it however... that's another story, if zeroregard can add anything that allow the speed up of source relays that will be much better then having multiple of them to keep up with the demand

Like a source relay that use rotational force or something, that can act as a large area radius to give source to near by stuff just an idea

[fresh condor]

Ah, I need to check that out, thanks for pointing it out

[fresh condor]

I think a multi block source storage would make sense. I didn't get how/why amethyst dust would be needed for that though?

[fresh condor]

Yeah that might make more sense indeed. Not sure if the liquid sourcelink itself would be a bottleneck if you have a big storage tank of liquid source.

[main flare]

it should be the sourcelink with the least bottleneck compared to others

usually relays are the bottlenecks, as they can only carry 1000-2000 source

[fresh condor]

What did you mean by this btw? You can crush amethyst shards to something like hexcasting:amethyst_dust in that mod or? I looked at the source but couldn't find a recipe for it

[main flare]

you can get amethyst dust by breaking the clusters with hexcasting

[fresh condor]

Ah okay gotcha. Do you think it would be better to add an optional recipe for hexcasting to be able to make liquid source with that as well, or handle it in some other way?

[main flare]

uh, someone else learned the power of animated item textures

[main flare]

add a tag for the recipe, i'd say

so both can be used without the need for another recipe

just a required:"false" in the tag json

[fresh condor]

Thanks! I will have a look at that soon

[glossy escarp]

not the liquid source but source and normal ars sourcelink they are really slow in massive stuff

[glossy escarp]

Yes

[glossy escarp]

Would love that

So i can use the hexcasting dust for any other recipe you add ameythest dust for in future

Cuz believe me i have a lot.... of them i use 3.1 mil/day

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-15901363242606965490

[flat summit]

Using the saturated, spent smog as the battery medium to store the source

[flat summit]

I equally fear and await this with bated breath

[fresh condor]

I might be moving away from the alternator and amethyst smog but I was thinking to make use of the amethyst dust for something fun like potions. Didn't come up with anything specific there yet though.

I mean I at least don't see much of a reason for an alternator when the mixer+basin from create does the same. The only thing I would like otherwise is a combined mixer+basin, like a centrifuge block, so it takes less space.

[glossy escarp]

Well since starbuncle have dependency for now, you could maybe add recipe for the wixi cooking thingy? instead of a new basin block

[fresh condor]

Yeah, that's a good idea. I have never used the wixie for mixing, I need to play around with it

[glossy escarp]

in my opinion, there is so many basin/cauldron like in the game rn

[glossy escarp]

Question

Is ars elemental still dependency?

[fresh condor]

Basin, cauldron, wixie pot (dunno the name) and what are the other two??

[glossy escarp]

If yes you can try having this fella as a mixer maybe?, since mixer require heat and he do have a lot of heat

[glossy escarp]

hexerai and iron spell book cauldrans

[fresh condor]

Yes but only because Mark of Mastery is needed for armors. I was wondering to not have it as a dependency, but on the other hand probably 95% of users have that mod before getting Technica anyway

[glossy escarp]

Honeslty true, it almost have same download as base ars

[fresh condor]

I mean if it's just about adding a xp+amethyst to liquid source recipe for the wixie you don't necessarily have to have it heated. But maybe I misunderstood

[glossy escarp]

Why not lapis and xp gem tho?

And instead of making liquid xp

It mak condense mana that then you can use block to convert that fluid into source

And the output is very large

Tho maybe we are drifting away from create + ars

[fresh condor]

Hmm that doesn't sound too bad, but yes it should be a large quantity of condensed mana in that case, because I think lapis is not easily auto farmed (there's the ore excavating Create mod, but I think no way in vanilla)

[main flare]

Eh, you wouldn't need SBM to add a new wixie crafting type

But while item -> item is pretty simple, working with fluids might be kinda painful

I had to try with fluid items tho, not really fluids

So maybe plain fluid stacks from the recipe will be easier

[flat summit]

This might be pedantic, but centrifuges are used to separate mixed fluids and solids from the solvent, tho'. I imagine you're talking about something with paddles to stir the mix, but on the walls instead of a central shaft?

[fresh condor]

Yyyyyes. Clearly I don't know what a centrifuge really is 😅 I just meant to make a heated mixer-basin that takes the space of 1 block instead of 4 (1 is a gap). Maybe the more appropriate name would be a Reactor or Mixing vessel. If I make this block it would be purely a Create thing, it's nothing to do with Ars Nouveau per se. It just would happen to make mass production of liquid source better, as a bottleneck can be the mixer, even at maximum speed.

[fresh condor]

Woohoo

this mod is amazing. dozens of pigments like this, not sure what they are used for, colouring spells?

It even adds a "Thought Knot" which seems to do nothing. I am inspired

I don't think I can reverse the recipe logic so that you can use ars_technica dust for any hex-casting recipes though, I guess the author would need to replace the item with tags in all of the recipes.

[main flare]

Yep

I don't remember if amethyst dust can be used as media too or just amethyst

Because for that there would be an hook to add media sources

[fresh condor]

What's media in this context?

[main flare]

Basically mana

But it's material that recharges your wand

Not something you Regen on your own

[fresh condor]

There aren't that many mixing recipes in Create on its own, but this could probably be useful for other mod integrations. This does not handle fluids yet (input nor output) but I'd like to do both. For fluids I guess we can try to take them from nearby containers (storage tanks, cauldrons, etc), and conversely try to insert results in nearby empty/equivalent containers or place it on the ground if there's nothing found.

I would also like to weaponize this, so you can use it to smash enemies together.

And as a fun gimmick I think this could be a great spell to use on to place skeletons on spiders and baby zombies on chickens, create zombie villagers from zombie+villager etc.

Not entirely sure about the colors, I was trying to go for a 'plasma' look, maybe it needs less orange and more blue. Gotta throw that Hex Casting Bisexual Pigment in there perhaps.

[fresh condor]

🔨 1.2.0-a2 is under review 🔨

• feat: new WIP glyph 'Fuse'
• feat: added recipe for Amethyst Shard + Greater Experience Gem -> 1000mb Liquid Source
• change: Liquid Source recipe uses tags for Amethyst Dust (you can now use the dust from Hex Casting) and experience gem/nugget
• change: Amethyst Shard now yields 4 Amethyst Dust (was 3)

Liquid Source recipes are balanced; 1 amethyst dust and 1 experience gem/nugget (both give 3xp) yield 250 mb source; 1 amethyst shard and 1 greater experience gem yield 1000 mb.

Fuse is for now used nearly exclusively to heated-mix Copper and Zinc to get Brass, as well as other recipes that call for combining 2 or more items without liquid. Recipes that yield liquid are not yet supported, and recipes that need liquid are similarly not yet supported - this will be added in the next build.

[fresh condor]

Also as a side note, no 1.21 Create yet, but whenever it's out I will be switching completely to NeoForge and will not be maintaining 1.20.1 anymore.

[glossy escarp]

[glossy escarp]

This mod spell system is so cracked that you can cast a spell that affect someone else in another server, this is isn't exaggeration i saw it live

[glossy escarp]

What kind of dark magic you using for the particle and sound system, whoever is your particle supplier give them a pat on the back cuz they did such a good job

[glossy escarp]

As Alex described, it's essentially a form of physical mana. In the lore, however, Media represents the manifestation of one’s thoughts. The wand acts as a conduit, transforming these intangible ideas into physical reality. By sequencing thought patterns into a structured grid and aligning with nature's balance of give and take, Media grants the envisioned form, drawing from its own essence to materialize your thoughts in the physical world.

[fresh condor]

I could do a sound design tutorial if that would be interesting for anyone.

The particles are:

• item particles (same that occurs for a mixer)
• the same particles used for the whirl but in a specific color palette
• explosion
• camp fire smoke

And also a geckolib animated model for the round part

[main flare]

you might look into SBM code for handling fluids

there's both fluid pickup and place fluid glyphs

[fresh condor]

That's probably extremely helpful, guess I know what I'll do firsthand tomorrow

[main flare]

the part where it scans the inventory for fluid item handler is a bit cursed, i'd suggest to avoid them

it's a category of itemstack that ranges from buckets to tanks (like meka ones) that hold a fluidstack

but since ars inventory manager has a peculiar handling, i had to do some magic tricks to not cause desync in the itemstack

[glossy escarp]

Question fuse + = heated mixing correct?, dont add Super heated mixing into a glyph as that will be unbalance imo

[fresh condor]

At the moment it's entirely heated on its own, but I might split it like this later if there's a need for it.

[fresh condor]

Got it, cheers Alex

[fresh condor]

I accidentally made a chocolate top hat. I was testing mixing liquids with the Fuse glyph, and it works great for storage tanks. Testing it without storage tanks, I found myself completely engulfed in chocolate. For a moment I thought the entire world had somehow been turned into chocolate, all you can see in there is brown.

[fresh condor]

Apologies for the fratellis singing over this, forgot to mute it. At this point pretty happy with how it works. It works for super heated recipes too, but as @glossy escarp pointed out that is probably overpowered

[main flare]

well, can't deny it fits somehow

[glossy escarp]

based song taste

i had to rewatch the video twice to see what u were doing cuz i was listening to the song xD

Btw can u add the ability to add your own recipe if you can? as like config

I think it would be cool af

Also yea no super heat

[potent cobalt]

So I've noticed an oddity about the runic spanner's picking-up of ars nouveau blocks like the pedestal. It just pops it out as an item instead of going directly into the inventory. Will this be changed?

[glossy escarp]

Pretty sure that feature still WIP

[glossy escarp]

the only reason i asked for a split is to not have another recipe conflict espically from the abusrd amount of datapacks out there that add create recipes speaking of which i assume these supported by defualt correct?, as in any mixing recipe is added can be made using fuse too?

[fresh condor]

What do you mean exactly? You can use any mixing recipe at the moment

[fresh condor]

Yes, it should be changed. Let me write it down so I don't forget, thanks!

[fresh condor]

Yes, any recipe! I think we can do a split the same way it works with whirl

[fresh condor]

1.2.0-a3 on the way

fix: runic spanner not being able to pick up contraptions @south iron
fix: runic spanner wrenchables being broken instead of picked up when shift-right-clicked @potent cobalt
feat: allow fuse to place and pick up liquids
refactor: split arcane fusion entity to have its own particle handler

[potent cobalt]

Wonderful!

[timber nymph]

can we make the transmuter focus be able to manipulate liquids?

similar to

[timber nymph]

you take the sugar, the cocoa and the milk, then fuse these delicous materials together to push out magical chocolate. ars technica: fused chocolate

[fresh condor]

Do you have something specific in mind? I was thinking at least to give the focus some special perk for the amplified version of Fuse (that will target enemies) but I am not sure about the outputs of Fuse as is, because there are no chance-based outputs for these recipes.

[timber nymph]

so

with liquids

essentially chuking water at entities

[potent cobalt]

I honestly love the feeling of using Source as an alternative to electrical power from other addons as stored energy. Really makes all the tech and magic feel as one.

Just thought I'd point that out about the source motor. Great little doohickey.

If you ever go through with a source "alternator" though I concur with prior sentiments that it should be multistep and need to be maintained like existing source farms do.

Just putting that out there.

[timber nymph]

nah

if you need a source alternator, i believe create crafts and additions is best

because you can hook it up to the motor

source motor

[potent cobalt]

If this was ever to be a thing to generate source from rotation. I dont really need it.

[fresh condor]

I am not sure how it would work in practice. But to me the Focus of Transmutation is not about doing something specific with liquids or blocks, it is mostly for altering item entities.

[timber nymph]

oh i see, just super heat then

honestly it's really interesting and refreshing to see how a focus is made

i tend to forget what the word focus actually means lol

[fresh condor]

I'm moving away from implementing it. I thought to have instead a beefed up heated basin-mixer combo, that possibly could need both source and rotation. So it's expensive, but takes little space and can mix faster than the little kitchenware looking thing from Create.

[potent cobalt]

Oh that's a much better idea! I likey. More involved than strapping a device on.

[timber nymph]

oh i misinterpreted entirely your sentence mb

a source alternator... i don't beliieve it is needed

[potent cobalt]

well no, I dont either

[fresh condor]

Regarding liquids, I thought about making a new glyph. But maybe you people know if this exists already?
I want to be able to remotely (projectile + this glyph) consume liquids or items from containers. For the liquids it would consume X mb e.g. of a storage tank as if the contents were first poured into a potion.
The name would be "Telefeast"

[timber nymph]

oh my god

[timber nymph]

this actually has not been implemented the way you say

there has been a saturate glyph, which simply saturates you

[fresh condor]

I'm also not 100% sure if it is possible for the liquids, for items in containers it certainly should be.

[timber nymph]

there has been reliquaries, which do a similar function of applying the spell to a specific block

however

there hasn't been a glyph that allows consumption

hmm

though, the way it's described,

it's a bit odd,

ars additions has something similar, but i believe this is distinct enough

very much so

but the question is

how would you do so remotely with a glyph?

and how can we do this without invading territory?

and here is my proposal: ender flask for potions, and telefeast for item/food

[fresh condor]

What's the one in ars additions?

Telefeast on liquid tank full of lava

[fresh condor]

You mean how to technically implement it or? I mean this glyph just executes on the entity or block it hits, and once it does we know who the caster is. Won't do anything for turrets of course

I did not mean to say that you could telefeast on something that's in a different chunk, though that sounds pretty fun too

There is some thing you can set up that will forward spells to another area I think, guess you could use it in combination with that to do a truly far tele feast

But also is sort of the inverse of what this glyph would do, except this would not only be for potions/flasks

[timber nymph]

ars additions can make manipulate lava if starbunclemania is installed,

it's reliquary

and mark

[timber nymph]

wait so how would that work?

[fresh condor]

I think you can do this e.g. if you had a tank or container full of liquid/item to eat and then use this to point Telefeast at it.

https://www.arsnouveau.wiki/category/equipment/entry/enchanters_eye

You probably need it to be chunk loaded too with some other mod, if you're that far away

[timber nymph]

so, is it just for you to eat/consume liquids and stuff?

or would it also apply to other entities to force feed em

[fresh condor]

Maybe with AOE it could target the nearest Living Entity to consume it instead of yourself ?

[timber nymph]

i see

[fresh condor]

It gets close to Infuse then but still it's different

[timber nymph]

it is a bit different from what i imagined

is this

[fresh condor]

How did you imagine it?

[timber nymph]

so a force feed glyph: once the target is hit with the spell, a food item will be consumed from the user's hotbar and apply whatever effect of eating the food would give to a player

for example poisoned potatoes would give poison

steak would give a certain amount of saturation to players and health to wolves

if the mob wouldn't benefit/be affected from the effect, the item is still consumed

so if a steak is used on a zombie then not much would happen

but if a food item that gives potion effects like mana source berries it would get mana regen

if that makes sense

[fresh condor]

Yeah, though I feel like here that should be a small change to infuse to allow for food to be used too

[timber nymph]

imagine an instant cure zombie villager spell

https://tenor.com/view/heat-shaq-icy-hot-gif-20243790

[fresh condor]

The use case for telefeast is making a liquid from Fuse that's inserted into a storage tank and then immediately being able to consume it without a bigger potion station setup. That might be a very niche use-case but still

[timber nymph]

hmm

see i thought it'd be like an ender flask

but, how would i use this?

[timber nymph]

like, for example when fusing, there is indeed a usecase because it's effectively mixer recipes

[fresh condor]

What's the ender flask again?

[timber nymph]

no, it's purely an idea lol

[fresh condor]

Oh lol

That sounds more like it's just an item and not a glyph

[timber nymph]

yea just an item

but it would be linked to a potion jar

which would allow for more easy access infuse spell combos

cuz literally, you have 8 shots before you can't use it

which is really bad for offensive purposes

[fresh condor]

I could see some use of that, especially for players centered around alchemy specifically

[timber nymph]

yea

it's just never been implemented

[fresh condor]

Not sure I would explore that but let's see. I definitely want to add a couple of new liquids, one of which would be drinkable

I thought about adding fluid hyper source too

[timber nymph]

hyper source lol

[fresh condor]

Dunno if you're familiar with fluid hyper experience

[timber nymph]

ye

it's annoying to make

because usually you can't automate that

but one day, i did automate it

[fresh condor]

Yes, I think hyper source should not be THAT hard to make

[timber nymph]

it was kind of a mute point since i never hyper enchanted

[fresh condor]

It is extremely powerful though

[timber nymph]

Why?

[fresh condor]

It allows you to bump any enchantments up to a higher level, granted they have a level to begin with

So it doesn't work on mending but it works on Protection, or anything else like Max Mana, Mana Regen etc. etc.

[main flare]

instead of picking up fluids like , basically a straw glyph?

[smoky flare]

Wait, you can melt cobblestone into lava? I never realized that...

[glossy escarp]

yes and you can turn lava into source

More Power to cobblestone generator yaay its not like it already broken af thanks to create

[glossy escarp]

the lava seem to be jittery when its picked by fuse also damn it have built in fluid picker xd

[glossy escarp]

you can already do that with ritual of restoration

[timber nymph]

no like

ugh

[fresh condor]

What did you mean that it's "jittery"?

[glossy escarp]

I need to open minecraft and send a video one sec

tho try 2x2 create fluid tank and let it get fluid by fuse and you will see what i mean

[fresh condor]

Ah yeah I only tested with a 1x1 tank, need to try that too. I was a bit confused by the fluid handler class

[fresh condor]

If Telefeast existed, and you cast it on a cow, do you eat the cow, or do you drink the milk from the cow?
#philosophy

I would argue you drink the milk from the cow because you don't eat the chest the food is in, you eat the food

[fresh condor]

life insurance sponsored by ars elemental

[fresh condor]

1.2.0-a4 on the way

• feat: added new glyph Telefeast for remotely drinking/eating from containers/tanks... and cows
• feat: play different sound/animation when fuse fails to impact
• feat: split fuse to be non-heated, heated and super-heated, with super being disabled by default

you can drink from any block entity that's an IFluidHandler (I don't know any except fluid tanks from Create, but other mods should be supported too)
you can eat from any block entity that's an IITemHandler (all chests etc.)
the only entity you can feast upon is the good old cow 🐮 but if you know of others... this is just manually implemented but maybe I can try to simulate using a bucket on the entity or something.

force-feeding others is not yet supported but planned 🙂

[timber nymph]

both? both

yoo

crazy cool

[main flare]

@spare knoll

[spare knoll]

omg it has finally happened!!! someone go port create to 1.21 neo right quickl

does it work with xp gems

oh

so you cant put it on a turret and have it feed you from a chest yet

[fresh condor]

i don't think it does but i could make it work for xp gems

[fresh condor]

not yet but next update you can

[spare knoll]

just read the last line haha

fantastic!

been wanting a force feed glyph for years at this point lmao

[opaque gorge]

Additions has dispenser behaviour for xp gems if you're not familiar

[spare knoll]

mmhm

dispensers slow tho... but i guess this wouldnt be much faster, probably no way to force it to feed a stack of gems at a time lol

[fresh condor]

solving world hunger one glyph at a time

[spare knoll]

woop

[fresh condor]

I could make it so that if you use it takes an entire stack.
And the entire fluid tank, if you want to drink liquid xp (?)

[spare knoll]

i think for xp gems it would work since you can eat the stack at once yourself anyway... what fluid xp are drinkable?

[opaque gorge]

Could be a fluid tag for liquid XPs

and then a conversion to just pure XP

would have to be bespoke

[fresh condor]

I'm not sure if it's drinkable tbh. I just learned that Create handles fluids-to-bucket/bottle filling dynamically, but didn't check if it's a thing to fill a bottle with xp

[opaque gorge]

Could maybe use a datamap of fluid xp to xp amount per 1000mb
https://docs.neoforged.net/docs/resources/server/datamaps/

Would be better than the recipe approach

[fresh condor]

In a way, but it won't be generic then. The way it works now you can drink any fluid whatsoever, as long as it can be filled into something with a spout.

But on the other hand, using the recipe approach means you would have to simulate drinking an item up to many dozens of times

as long as it can be filled into a drinkable item*

you can't actually drink a lava bucket but I made an edgecase for lava just for FUN

[glossy escarp]

fun fact if xp orbs land on a rune with pick up and senstive, it will be sent to you

which also open the possability of repair system on command

[fresh condor]

Made XP gems work. Or ANY item that can be used. So I made it only consider 'use' items if you use because otherwise you might have a very bad time.
XP gems have this custom logic that if you are crouching you consume the whole thing so... just use the spell and crouch. Or have a turret cast it on you and you, the consumer, crouch.

Had to do some 'hand swapping' logic because otherwise that gem would eat my spellbook

How the turn tables huh

[glossy escarp]

if you have ars addition you can make a dispenser shoot XP gem as normal XP and when landed on rune with senstive and pickup it can pick up the XP straight to you

[fresh condor]

Noice. But now you can do very dumb things with this like remotely using an ender pearl - not sure why you would do that but let the imagination run wild.

[glossy escarp]

dw already do one thing i tested is

the emergency button

It seem it have no cooldown

On how much you can eat or drink

at one tick so lets just say

You can do some silly stuf with it

[fresh condor]

the emergency button?

[glossy escarp]

Yes

il explain it in dm so you decide if its worth nerf or not

[fresh condor]

i do not know what the emergency button is, but above had a great idea i'll try implementing now

[fresh condor]

Okay so here's the idea:

You use:
🍔 (and for non-edibles like XP gems) and it will pass through the item in a projectile that ignores containers but otherwise impacts with living entities and blocks

Now I gotta see if it works with portals...

[fresh condor]

1.2.0-a5 on the way

• feat: added new items Giant Experience Gem (48xp) and Gargantuan Experience Gem (192xp)
• feat: allow to use Pierce for Telefeast so that items are ejected from inventories instead of being consumed directly
• feat: added ability to use Sensitive for Telefeast to target 'usable' items like XP gems, ender pearls etc

I got it working with portals as well, so you can shoot these special item projectiles across your world. I gave them a maximum lifespan of 10 seconds though and it's still a bit experimental, but with the above changes that should more or less be what you would like @spare knoll

I didn't give it amplify in the end because it would be really finicky to have to crouch or miss out on all the experience when items are ejected. That's why I made Giant and Gargantuan experience gems instead, that way you don't have to shoot a billion XP gems to level up.

[spare knoll]

❤️

This is amazing

[modern bobcat]

I’m constantly amazed by this mod. Two more tiers of xp gems is epic

[potent cobalt]

Seems like starbunclemania is now a dependency, may I ask why that is?

Not that I mind because I'm adding it into my modpack anyway.

[spare knoll]

@earnest siren this addon adds force feed glyph! We just need create to port to 1.21 first lol

(the rest of the addon is very cool as well)

[main flare]

Something about needing the liquid source

I would have tried to keep it optional if only used for a non-essential feature tbh

But I can't say if zero needed more stuff from it or wants to build on

[potent cobalt]

Ah, alright. We shall see then. I wanna see some cool mixing recipes with liquid source if anything.

I was planning on adding my own with the modpack I'm developing but I'm interested in seeing what zero has in mind too.

[fresh condor]

I will hopefully find a way to make it optional

[potent cobalt]

Aight! I understand why ars elemental isn't optional, but I feel like starbunclemania could easily be non-essential. Maybe have the features you wanted with liquid source only really appear when starbunclemania is installed and simply that.

[fresh condor]

Yeah, there's a way to make recipes optional. I think I have some other dependency there as well, but worst case I can copy over that small function or whatever it is, don't remember off of the top of my head.

[potent cobalt]

Also, finding myself curious about the spell versions of create machines like the press and I wanna know how you're intended to use it. It doesn't apparently work on depots and I'm just wondering if I'm missing anything

[fresh condor]

It is intended to be used on items on the floor. For me, the idea for the spells are to be able to quickly get a specific item you need, when you're not close to your presser.
If you want to use it on a depot, I think it makes more sense to set up the mechanical presser for that.

[potent cobalt]

Sounds about right. Am I able to configure these to be lower tier? I think it'd make a little sense to me as a manual method that burns your mana for a quick convenience.

[spare knoll]

(as an aside, starbunclemania is amazing and worth having, even if I agree the dep should prolly be optional xD)

[fresh condor]

I don't think the tier influences the mana level. But you can make the technomancer's armor if you want these spells to be cheaper.

But no, I didn't make a configuration for that yet, that could be done though (mana level per glyph)

[potent cobalt]

I'm only fussing a tiny bit about the tier because it affects what tier spellbook can use it.

No big deal at any rate though.