Ars Ocultas /Tome of Blood: Rebirth

[steel frost]

shield sound cools . I might add it

[cerulean crag]

Sick

I have and idea for like a sword/ bow like for a sword it have no blade but once activated it will take lp from either the orb or yourself to then make the sword used same with bow but it will make arrows out of the lp

[hard quartz]

blood magic used to have a bound sword. i think they got rid of it since it basically wasnt as useful as the sentient sword

[cerulean crag]

Fr? But it would be basically the same as the basic ars enchant sword but yk blood

[oblique ginkgo]

old blood magic was basically bound stuff

dormant until you activate them and they drain lp over time

[cerulean crag]

Ohh

I never used the old blood magic so idk but it seems sick

[drifting stag]

Wouild be nice if ther ecould be an Ars LP farm.
Because using a heal glyph and sacrificial blade, other than working, it's kind of a bit inconvenient.

[oblique ginkgo]

well of suffering + restoration ritual

[steel frost]

and insanely strong to the point that only real contender was draconic stuff iirc

[oblique ginkgo]

always wondered if the similarity between redmatter stuff and bound was intentional, lol

[hard quartz]

Portal based xp farm works a treat

[hard quartz]

I thought it was the same artist who just reused if

[oblique ginkgo]

i don't remember, but it's possible

[steel frost]

the first versions of bound armor use the same the textures

I am not sure completely, I got in the modding scene after 1.14 (truly in 1.16)

I have played 1.7.10 and 1.12 packs but very less

[drifting stag]

YEAH! Got the high level crusher!!!
and thanks to ars, I could have been able to skip most of the early grind.
The only thing I was forced to do was to summon an afrid to make red chalk

[steel frost]

what spirit is the top left one ?

[drifting stag]

That is the lv 2 crusher.
Bottom left is lv 1 crusher
And bottom right is lv 4 crusher

Also, would be nice if the crusher could break raw ore blocks

[steel frost]

can it not ?

thats a feature request for occultism honestly

[drifting stag]

from the recipes in JEI, it does not.
But yeah, going to do that. , it helps a lot on speeding up automation

[steel frost]

if occultism adds it, it will automatically work with jars

[hard quartz]

Touch break aoe fortune fortune fortune fortune and touch place block aoe

[formal sorrel]

oh, occultism stuff

[opal jungle]

yeah, all started as one mod but quickly split into 3 iirc

[formal sorrel]

dunno why occultism didn't have stuff like this by default

waiting around for that tier 1 crusher to crush is ridiculous

[steel frost]

later tiers are super OP

marid does an item or two per second and gives 6 pieces of crushed ore

[umbral tinsel]

The only real point of the Foliot crusher is to get you the dusts for the next level unlocks. While Ars can make them eternal by putting them in jars, anything less than the Djinn crusher is insanely slow and not productive.

[drifting stag]

I can confirm that.
With everythign that I am playing with.
You can get a lv 4 crusher quite early in the game wihtout needed to make the others.

[steel frost]

@hard quartz what is this "splash damage" you speak of ?

something with cold snap ?

[hard quartz]

Cold snap and flare have splash damage, they'll hurt others around them

So harm as t1 is a simple single target, then at t2 you can switch to a higher damage, multiple target

[steel frost]

I see

higher damage is probably not gonna happen as it get plenty strong

for multi target, I will need to play with glyphs to see

[hard quartz]

Yeah it's not a problem, I can do something like chaining anyway if I really need

For farming, there's the scythe anyway

Not to mention I need to test just a regular attack spell in offhand and a sentient sword in main hand. That's what I did back in 1.10

[steel frost]

you could reactive sentient harm on sword ig. will that even work ?

[candid root]

It’d be nice if Heretic mage robes would boost sentient harm damage. As it stands it’s still outdone by something like cold snap

Alternatively a glyph that drains LP to deal damage and scales with max capacity might be cool

[steel frost]

how much will do you have ? and what aspect ?

[candid root]

Raw will, one max gem

[hard quartz]

Are you still amplifying it?

[steel frost]

greater ?

[candid root]

Yep. Damage is around 13 or so

[oblique ginkgo]

cold snap no amp is way less than 13

unless you mean they are both amped

[candid root]

Isn’t cold snap snap around 20 or so?

Rather, freeze snap snap

[hard quartz]

Snap snap only really helps for crowds, no real increase in single target damage

[candid root]

I’ll double check the numbers when I get home

[oblique ginkgo]

6 base + 2.5 x amp

obv raising up when combined with elemental's water gear

[candid root]

Maybe I’m too used to Ars Elemental

[hard quartz]

Personally I think snap should hit harder, it's sacrificing precision for power

[oblique ginkgo]

and i don't count the +6 from thread because it would apply to sharm too

[hard quartz]

Elemental robes with the power thread can probably get it pretty high

[oblique ginkgo]

focus is two amps (major, 1 for lesser), armor is 0.5 amp per piece (2 full set)

so 10 damage from that

[hard quartz]

I think I'm around 13 damage from sharm, I don't have the power thread though

Could be interesting to get a crafted living armor upgrade for spell power

Expensive upgrade point cost of course

[candid root]

Is the living armor supposed to self destruct if you exceed it’s upgrade capacity?

[steel frost]

no

[hard quartz]

So you'll end up needing the upgrade ritual as well as downgrades to balance out

[candid root]

The lack of tier 3 thread slots on the heretic armor hurts quite a bit

Most sets have 2

[oblique ginkgo]

update your tob

[steel frost]

update mod

[hard quartz]

I need to get the upgraded gear before chonky nerfs it to 200 instead of 300

[steel frost]

well I can patch that as well :P

[candid root]

Honestly, I think that 300 is fine since downgrading ritual doesn’t work

[hard quartz]

I'm currently at 115/100

[steel frost]

bruh what ?

[hard quartz]

What doesn't work?

[candid root]

Tried to apply the parched downgrade and nothing happened

The one that makes you unable to use potions

[steel frost]

are you doing it correctly? the process is a bit convoluted

[candid root]

Stack of empty bottles, two stacks of artificial upgrade points.

[hard quartz]

I still only have T3, so haven't gotten that far yet

[candid root]

Right click the ritual stone, get the ‘energy flowing’ message, nothing.

[steel frost]

let me test that now

[candid root]

While you’re at it, I think the elytra living upgrade is borked too.

[steel frost]

upgrade mod

I asked you to do last time you mentioned it as well

[candid root]

Could have sworn the pack I was in updated it… I’ll double check when I get home.

[steel frost]

cool

[hard quartz]

It's called heretic, but there's been I think 2 updates since that change

[steel frost]

just double checked, downgrades work

[steel frost]

you need to put exact number of items

since quenched only has 1 level. you need to put 1 glass bottle and 100 synthetic points

you can put more points if you want but the specific item needs to be exact

[drifting stag]

Does Will drop from mobs if I add the glyph og sentient harm?

I was planing on just using my enchanters sword with it instead of the sentient sword from BM

[hard quartz]

Sentient harm increases damage based on demon will you have in a gem, and it applies the soul snare debuff

So if they die when they have the debuff, they'll drop will

[drifting stag]

nice, so it works then, thanks

[cerulean crag]

Idea: I think I sick amount of spells for blood would be stuff from choso (jjk) like piercing blood, the more lp u have the more damage it will do

Like just in general blood manipulation from jjk would be interesting to see in tob

[candid root]

Some sort of Elden-Ring like blood flame or blood projectiles would be pretty cool

[steel frost]

elaborate

[candid root]

Two approaches come to mind.

You could mimic the standard ignite/flare for a simple damage over time component that scales off of will/blood with diminishing returns.

The second part would be a component that deals damage based on the amount of blood in your network, again with diminishing returns. The trick is that the damage is amplified if you hit someone with the previous blood flame debuff, much like cold-snap or flare.

Perhaps a focus to boost damage and/or have some interactions with your network would add some diversity.

You could also add some sort of wave shape (I am heavily drawing off of irons spells and their implementation of blood magic for this) that is a projectile with increased horizontal spread but minimal vertical coverage as well.

The other approach would be to just have a blood version of the enchanter tools that use the same mechanics as the tome of blood- that being they draw off of both LP and mana

As well as have some sort of innate boost to spells

[steel frost]

You could mimic the standard ignite/flare for a simple damage over time component that scales off of will/blood with diminishing returns.
You can already do this if you add Duration to Sentient Harm. The damage values scales with will you have and effect changes based on what will aspect you have

[steel frost]

those will come some time in the future

[candid root]

I see. I definitely need to play around with it a bit more. I’d suggest a demon-will powered version of the enchanter’s sword but I think that’s already on your todo list

[steel frost]

not a demon will enchanters sword since reactive still exists

[candid root]

A secondary flare-type spell for the sentient harm would be nice though.

[steel frost]

so you can just put reactive on sentient sword

[steel frost]

Yeah I have been thinking about that. Zieg777 also mentioned it

[candid root]

My blood magic knowledge isn’t that strong, but is there a difference between LP scaling and will scaling offensive stuff in default Blood Magic?

[steel frost]

LP is not used for offense in normal blood magic yet

LP is mostly used for crafting and powering rituals

[candid root]

Yet?

As in its a feature not ported?

Or flat out in dev?

[steel frost]

you can make pretty useful stuff like potions and anointments though. can be considered as offensive in some cases

[steel frost]

it was an old feature. no idea if it will return in any form

the bound armor and bound tools

[candid root]

Right… those were the bound weapons I believe

[steel frost]

Yes

[candid root]

How is dev going with Blood Magic anyway?

[steel frost]

its somewhat stagnant. I am allowed to port it further and add small tweaks and small additions. that is why ToB will be the place where I experiment with new mechanics and features with the intention of upstreaming it if the author likes it

[candid root]

I see.

[steel frost]

WayOfTime, the author, is very creative when it comes to designing new mechanics so I would leave new features completely upto him

[candid root]

Demon Will being an offensive resource and LP being a defensive/utility resource should work fine.

Remind me, isn’t reactive a chance at casting a spell on item use?

[steel frost]

there are quite a bit of things he still wants to do and we are still in mid game blood magic

[steel frost]

I think so yes. Elemental changes it a bit so I am not sure

[candid root]

I wasn’t sure what the difference between a will powered enchanters sword and a will sword with reactive were.

[steel frost]

sentient Enchanters sword might not happen because it completely replaces both the sentient sword and enchanters sword

[candid root]

And the tome of blood already doesn’t do that?

For spell books and stuff

[oblique ginkgo]

Only thing I add is the cast on block for the EShield

[steel frost]

I am aware and I dont like it. this is a very early impl (2nd iteration already) and it will keep changing.

[oblique ginkgo]

Or maybe all shields, all the stuff to track are becoming too many to handle

[steel frost]

maybe not so much with the tome specifically because it was the focus of the og ToB

[candid root]

Gotcha. I look forward to seeing how things go. Are the demon will interactions with sentient harm already in the documentation?

[steel frost]

I think so. let me know if it isnt, I will push an update

[candid root]

Yeah, it's not there. only thing it says is that it increases in damage based on demonic will you have.

[steel frost]

okay I will add it next update

[candid root]

Cool. thanks!

[steel frost]

for now CORROSIVE adds wither to target

Vengeful give player mana_regen and Steadfast gives absorption

this will change in next update though

[candid root]

I take it raw will still gives the highest damage value?

[steel frost]

no. destructive does most

[hard quartz]

Destructive is just straight damage right?

[steel frost]

you can map index to get the exact values of extra damage

[steel frost]

For now yes

[hard quartz]

Corrosive doesn't add damage? Just wither?

[steel frost]

corrosive uses the same values as raw

[hard quartz]

Fair

Good to know. So right now I've got a pair of common gems. Iirc it's only using a single gem for values, I just like to have more to work with for crafting. So I get the +3 damage. So at the next I'll have an extra 1.5 with regular

I need to dive in to the t4 stuff this week, might swap to destructive

It would be interesting to have the color of the spell change based on the will flavor. But I can do that manually

[steel frost]

that sounds cool

I will see if a trail system is possible where the front of the projectile is set by the will type and the tail is spell color or something similar

a dual tone projectile

[hard quartz]

The extra 3 damage switching to destructive probably isn't enough to get single shot kills, maybe on skeletons with no armor.

Spent the past week building though, not doing any progression on anything. I'm excited to start mapping out how to set up my heretic powers vs threads

I think the combination is really interesting for deciding what I want where

Not to mention xacris and my thoughts on a battle arena for monster fights

[steel frost]

I want to expand more on demonic glyphs. Its a pretty nice concept

and i can probably create some filter glyphs for people to use a specific will type

[steel frost]

monster fights? as in armored mobs like timmy from yesterday ?

[hard quartz]

I was wondering how to manage that. My thought was just toss the ones I don't want in a backpack

Yes

Timmy was in battlemage. I want heretic

[steel frost]

so like pokemon battles kek

[hard quartz]

Apply the stormtrooper, quenched, etc debuffs, so I can maximize attack damage

Little Timmy in quick feet 10

[steel frost]

its not gonna be a fair fight 😆

[hard quartz]

Yup

[steel frost]

please record the battles for me :P

[hard quartz]

Also with Timmy, he had hex and wither 3, but I had a curio that increased my iframe timer. So he barely hurt me, half the wither ticks were ignored

So playing with the different ideas, DOT vs direct damage

I do have Timmy vs an iron golem in the next video. But heretic armor could be crazy when hyper optimized for mobs

Timmy doesn't need mining, so dull pick 10. As a player that's terrible, but for a mob...

[steel frost]

I dunno if I should report it or not 😆

either ways it will be very funny to watch

[hard quartz]

Timmy was originally base defense for xacris. But his idea has evolved beyond that

[steel frost]

how did xacris tame it ? I hope it doesnt turn against xacris or else it would be very chaotic

[hard quartz]

He had an undying thread that had a lot of mileage

Eidolon then had a staff of enthralling, so he captured it in that, which made him follow around, but not attack him.

Still went for me though

[drifting stag]

For the Herectic armor, any major difference from the Living armor?
Other than accepting threads?

first time playing with blood magic, so I am not sure how to get those upgrades and stuff.

like . . .
How do I add the socket upgrades, and how does the training bracelet interacts with it?

[hard quartz]

Same idea as living, but has the addition of the threads on helm, legs, boots

And I believe when you do the upgrade ritual, you only have 200 upgrade points instead of 300

[drifting stag]

I guess that to activate the "upgrades" you need the full set?

[hard quartz]

Yeah same as regular living armor, you need the full set. I don't know if you can mix and match living and heretic though

[steel frost]

it does and now it sounds like an exploit lol

[hard quartz]

Sounds like you'd use heretic everything except for the chest

[steel frost]

since you can use living chestplate to get full amount of living points ( atleast after I nerf it to 200)

[hard quartz]

So you can get the extra 100 points after upgrade

[steel frost]

although you would be missing out on the mana regen ana capacity

[hard quartz]

And most important

The color

I'm still wearing dark gray. I need to test out colors again

[steel frost]

@hard quartz did you test out sentient sword with reactive sentient harm ?

does it drop double the will ?

if it is too broken, I should maybe remove the soul snare effect and change the way drops are calculated.

[steel frost]

this method is creative enough that I dont mind keeping it unless it is super broken

[steel frost]

I figured out a way to do Tier 2 glyph variant for sentient harm like Cold Snap/Flare

[hard quartz]

Haven't tested that yet exactly. I have been hitting with soul snare and then killing with the sword, it drops extra but I'm not sure it's double

Because the sword, if you kill and have a tartaric gem, the will will get absorbed directly usually. So I'll need to properly test.

[steel frost]

I am reworking how sentient Harm + Duration works. I want to have a potion effect for every type. Any ideas ?

we can do Ars or blood magic effects as well

[wintry vale]

well base harm + duration is poison

hmm

[steel frost]

Yeah I dunno if I should keep that or change it

[wintry vale]

you're changing up how corrosive will works right?

cause corrosive wither sent harm could be pretty strong

[steel frost]

I dont mind keeping Wither for that

thats what normal corrosive does any way

[wintry vale]

well i got an idea for corrosive

beyond wither

how about resistance down?

"corrosive" sounds like it would destroy some armor

[steel frost]

ooooo

that does sound cool

[wintry vale]

since ars already has a wither spell

corrosive sent harm could be for penetration of high armor/resistance targets

[hard quartz]

does sentient harm with corrosive will (no extra extend time) add wither?

[steel frost]

I dont think so

[wintry vale]

as for destructive

how about a small aoe effect?

of instant damage

like i dunno if you can do %

[steel frost]

not aoe. I am working on a tier 2 aoe spell

[wintry vale]

ah

hmm

[steel frost]

vengeful could be weakness as well

[wintry vale]

ya thats what i was thinking

attack down

steadfast hmm

hmm

it does a movement slow

trying to think of a potion effect that wouldn't be super op lol

levatation sounds super op for steadfast will

well what i have in mind for destructive isn't a potion effect thats ingame lol

and would take coding probably

[steel frost]

go on

[wintry vale]

echo damage like it does 10-20% of its inpact damage

[steel frost]

I want some kind of potion effect and probably should have DOT

[wintry vale]

well you could give destructive wither

or steadfast

if you plan to move it from corrosive in place of resistance penetration

[steel frost]

I am converting Sentient Harm into more like normal Harm spell. it can either attack or put potion effect. not both

[wintry vale]

so kinda a warlock spell?

dot focus or direct damage focus?

[steel frost]

yeah thats how normal Harm works

[hard quartz]

Can you get the sentient harm to work more like the sword? Not applying the soul snare, but just getting the damage and drop rate of the sword

[wintry vale]

oh are you adding will type modifiers to the spell book?

or ae we talking about the player carring around a tartaric with that will type

[hard quartz]

If I recall the amount of will you get from the sword also impacts the amount of will you get

[steel frost]

Yeah thats possible

[wintry vale]

theres an effect from eidolon tht i think is neat it stops healing giving you frozen hearts

[steel frost]

the damage is already like the sword no ?

[wintry vale]

but not really something useful for mobs lol

[steel frost]

carrying it around

[wintry vale]

ah k thats what i thought you meant

you going to change the books spell color baed on will type?

well spell icon color that is

man i can't type for shit this morning

[steel frost]

I might change projectile color but I dunno if that is possible.

[hard quartz]

Damage is already like the sword yeah. But it applies the soul snare instead of just dropping will on death

Sentient sword doesn't apply the debuff for instance. It's not a big deal, it's just not what I expected

[wintry vale]

dunno if thats possible since players can choose a spell color

[steel frost]

Yeah its possible and I was going to do that but I wasnt sure if you would like it lol

since you wanted to double dip using reactive

[wintry vale]

hmm

reactive sent harm lol

list so far
veng: attack down? maybe
corrosive: resistance down?
destructive: maybe wither?
steadfast: tbd
raw: tbd

the problem with raw if it stays poison some mobs are immune to poison

and dunno if you could change it to a non damage type ticking damage

🤷‍♂️ i can't think of anything for the last two thats a potion effect

drowning i guess but that sounds less useful then its current movement slow effect

[oblique ginkgo]

Eid have an effect that reduces by 25% the armor points

If you want to see how much it changes to have less armor

But as you would expect, it won't matter much against simpler mobs

Might have to forceApply it, as otherwise it's useless against most strong mobs

[wintry vale]

true most mobs that you'd want more armor reduction on

are usually immune to them effects anyways lol

though it would be useful on simpler mobs from apotheosis

with there champion mobs

some of them have some insanely high armor values

[oblique ginkgo]

Chonk, for sentient harm could you tag it with the forge:magic if it uses a custom damage source?

If it doesn't, the next PR should make it fallback to generic spell damage anyway

Won't trigger witches damage reduction unless specified, but would interact with the thread and other mods that use the standard

Should become an official tag with 1.20.2 Neo

[steel frost]

It doesnt use a custom source right now. uses the default one

I will be creating a new source for next release and will make sure to mark it as forge:magic

[oblique ginkgo]

If it's the IDamageEffect default don't worry

[steel frost]

I need the new source to set will drops

[oblique ginkgo]

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/pull/1162

[wintry vale]

so with this change will spells now be actually magic damage?

like guardian beams

[oblique ginkgo]

Marks them as magic without any effect on vanilla

But to trigger stuff like Eidolon's armor passives or Malum ward hearts

Potentially, scaling on a magic attribute from mods like pmmo

[wintry vale]

sadly pmmo isn't updated for newer version of minecraft i think

this is cool though new tags for shit

[oblique ginkgo]

To do what that PR does in 1.19 you need scalaes, in 1.20 it's both simpler and annoying

Cause it's not a native tag to forge or mc but a community chosen thing

[wintry vale]

so neo forge is going to add it a native tag

[oblique ginkgo]

1.19- had isMagic coded, which also triggered witch resistance

[wintry vale]

is ars using ismagic tag

or is it still just normal damage

[oblique ginkgo]

https://github.com/neoforged/NeoForge/pull/59
Part of this PR. But can't be merged for 1.20.1 to not break compat with old Forge

[wintry vale]

but should be a thing once 1.20.2 comes around

i guess this is something to look forward to modders get more toys to play with

[steel frost]

1.20.2 is already a thing

its just that Neo is the middle of other breaking changes

[wintry vale]

so its going to be a while befor ars gets its neo forge update and such

i hope all these breaking changes don't effect mods

like delaying everything for extended amounts of time

[oblique ginkgo]

Yeah, Ars is not going to update to newer version for a while anyway

[steel frost]

it will delay things

its not as big as 1.13 but its still a lot of work. internals have changed a lot

heard few devs ran back to forge because of the amount of work required

[oblique ginkgo]

I'm a bit worried about the registry changes, as mods have a lot of stuff

The package change is just a script to refractor

[wintry vale]

sounds like a smaller version then 1.13

but still going to delay things quite a bit

just hope it don't come to a standstill like it did befor

[steel frost]

the process looks alot simpler for custom registries

[wintry vale]

i forget what version

but mods stayed at x verison for years

[oblique ginkgo]

I mean, if there is a script to unwrap all the deferred registration to the new one it's totally fine

If it's gonna need a line per line, it's gonna be easier to pay a code monkey to do that boring thing

[steel frost]

kek

fair

[wintry vale]

i'm getting the "stuck on 1.20.1" feels right now

[steel frost]

I am kinda glad we use Registrate for EIO lol

although I would need to become the code monkey for BM

[wintry vale]

code monkey do code

🤷‍♂️

gues we'll see

i don't mind playing 1.20.1 for a while

things don't get spicey till 1.21 anyways

[steel frost]

This is what I going with

[wintry vale]

[steel frost]

I am adding a new custom effect called vulnerable or something that will make you take 5/10% more damage for all sources

[wintry vale]

👍

seems good for destructive

wasn't you planing to do spellpower or something for destructive will

for the player that is

[steel frost]

that will be in Sentient Wrath glyph

(name temporary)

it will be a tier 2 glyph which does very little damage if the target doesnt have CURSED effect and also applies the effect after

[wintry vale]

so self wrath amp

cursed huh

i like the sound of that

whats it do

[steel frost]

if the target is already cursed, then it will do a AOE attack with stronger damage

the speciality of this glyph is that it gives the player small bonuses if it kills a target

[wintry vale]

stacking or non stacking?

[steel frost]

non stacking but will refresh bonus timers.

dont want it to be too overpowered (which it already might be)

[wintry vale]

don't sound to op

curses the target explodes for aoe damge if the target is cursed

and gives a small boon when the target is killed

what kinda effects you going to give the player?

is it going to be random effects like belt of unstable gifts?

[steel frost]

not completely sure but stuff like absorption hearts, speed boosts or mana regen

destructive might be spell power

[wintry vale]

that don't sound to be

like giving the player speed 1

or leser

a few absorb hearts

sounds like i'll be using this spell when its out lol

[steel frost]

it will be balanced by consuming a lot more will compared to SHarm

[wintry vale]

didn't know shard consumed will

harm*

explains why my tartaric fluxuates

[steel frost]

it was changed couple updates back

its very tiny and only when it successfully damages

[wintry vale]

but said curse spell will drain more

sounds like you'll be playing a game of spending/generating

kinda like a combo building class in a rpg

generate with sentient harm

spend with a hard hitting sentient spell

[hard quartz]

its not that i "want" the ability to double dip. its that if the ability exists, i will

whether you should be able to or not is a separate discussion

[steel frost]

prototype

[wintry vale]

👍

like the little slash effect

[steel frost]

@sonic burrow made it

[wintry vale]

ah

well its well done

[sonic burrow]

i wasn't sure how it would look as i dont work in a program that lets me preview animations (and havent figured out a method of doing that myself)

[hard quartz]

So new s-harm: initial hit does small damage, inflicts wrath. A mob that is inflicted and gets hit with s-harm a second time will then take the scaling damage?

[steel frost]

SHarm and wrath are unrelated

[hard quartz]

Oh. Got it

I thought it was replacing s-harm

[steel frost]

SHarm behaviour hasn't changed that much. It does the same scaling damage+Snare. What changed is adding a duration UP switches it to effect mode and will no longer do damage

similar to how normal Harm+Duration works

[hard quartz]

Ah ok

Can probably do something similar to the double snap spell

[umbral tinsel]

wrath glyph is going to require the correct type of will, yes? That would give a very clear reason for doing the rituals to break the wills down.

[hard quartz]

So then s-harm extend applies wrath. Doesn't do a whole lot until the second hit

[steel frost]

SentientWrath mechanics -> hitting an entity will do little bit of damage and "mark it". Damage is less than Harm and SHarm and doesnt scale. Hitting a marked enemy again does heavy attack ( more basedamage + scaling + willType) and also does an AOE
will cost scales with number of targets and so it is much expensive to cast.
and also, successfully killing an enemy with SWrath gives you temp bonuses
the base damage values are lower than ColdSnap (even lower for unmarked enemies) but it should scale well
for balancing purposes, it doesnt drop will but let me know how yall feel. It should shred groups of enemies with somewhat medium health but it doesnt do much against squishy enemies because heavy attacks+aoe wont trigger

SHarm doesnt apply wrath at all

[hard quartz]

Oh it is a separate glyph then?

[steel frost]

Wrath applies "Mark" effect on first cast itself

[hard quartz]

Got it

Ok so we can do projectile wrath wrath amp amp

[steel frost]

maybe? I am not sure if that would work

[hard quartz]

Works on snap

[steel frost]

I did my testing with proj+wrath+amp+amp cast twice

[steel frost]

I dont know what that is. never tried it

[hard quartz]

Freeze snap snap amp amp.

When a mob is wet, frozen, or slowed and hit by cold snap, it'll apply damage and spread freezing to surrounding mobs. If those mobs already have freezing (a second shot) they'll take damage instead

[steel frost]

oh cold snap!

[hard quartz]

So by doing two snaps, you spread freezing and apply the damage

[steel frost]

sorry . didnt hit me first time

[hard quartz]

So similarly here, I think we could use the same logic

Probably more expensive, but scales on will

[steel frost]

yeah snap was my base reference even with code

Wrath keeps spreading Marked for all AOE targets and also does damage

so it should shred hordes of enemies

[hard quartz]

And you said it does not drop will on death

[steel frost]

yes it doesnt

be that can be changed.

I dont want it completely replace SHarm

[umbral tinsel]

Do not mix chain and SHarm.

[hard quartz]

No? I've been using that for a while

[umbral tinsel]

Just crashed the server casting that.

Projectile > chain > SHarm. Boom.

This was out of a Teir III Tome of Blood.

Just a bunch of hoglins.

[hard quartz]

Huh... that must be the new update then. I've been using ray chain SHarm all week

[umbral tinsel]

Well, it was an obvious thing to do, right? Big hoglin farm, 10% bonus wills from drops if you SHarm then use sentient weapon.

~10% in my experience, anyway.

I cannot even double check if there was anything else on the spell until an admin restarts the test server.

[hard quartz]

It was supposed to auto reboot, but it hadn't finished dying yet

Sentient hoe is good on that farm btw

[umbral tinsel]

nice. I want to see if I had just Projectile > chain > SHarm or if I still had an amplify on there.

Sentient 'hoe'?

You mean the Scythe?

The one that does sweeping edge as a built-in?

ah, I had Projectile > chain > SHarm > Extend time.

ha ha! Even just Proj > chain > SHarm crashed. RIP me farming extra wills.

[hard quartz]

Yeah it's made with a hoe

Scythe I suppose sounds like a better weapon than a garden tool

[umbral tinsel]

I will have to keep using it. My Scythe doesn't have reactive on it with an SHarm spell like my sword does.

So I was casting it out of my ToB then attacking.

Looks like my ToB is corrupt somehow. Notice the 'Effect' word on the spell glyph line:

[drifting stag]

I am using Chain +Sharm on the enchanter sword

It's great on Big slimes

[hard quartz]

It's an unreleased version. Something must have broken

[drifting stag]

Also, hows does the Rune of Cappacity and Aug. Capacity interact?
Any strategy there?

[hard quartz]

Last I heard I think you're in general best off with just augmented capacity runes if you have more than like 10

But that was at least back in 1.12 that I looked into that math

So I don't know if now the math changes

[drifting stag]

I am just confused on the math

because why would there be a reason to use Aug. if capacity gives you +20%

[hard quartz]

You start with 10,000 capacity.

5 capacity runes increases that to 20,000

[drifting stag]

Yes, and 10 gives you 30,000

I tried to replace some of my capacity for aug. and I got less LP total

[steel frost]

runes of capacity are additive while augmented ones are multiplicative

get some early capacity runes and then use augmented

[hard quartz]

So each capacity is worth 2000 LP.

Each Aug capacity is worth more the more you have

[steel frost]

can I get a log?

[hard quartz]

10k x (1.076^y)

[drifting stag]

so, 17aug is beter than just 17cap ?

[hard quartz]

Not till I have time on a computer to grab it. Mobile is annoying

[drifting stag]

so is 20X vs 7.5^x ?

[hard quartz]

Yeah basically

[drifting stag]

Here is in amount of blocks

From what I see, Aug. is only worth if you have over 60 runes

[steel frost]

nah. give me a minute

youa are supposed to use both

man I cant find my old calculations. let me get a paper and pen

[hard quartz]

It's not 20x

It's 1.20x vs 1.075^x

Actually no. One second

Because it's a flat 20%. 2000 per rune.

So find when the 7.5%^x is greater than 2000

[steel frost]

nah but augmented are applied after normal capacity runes

so using them together is better

[hard quartz]

There are specific calculators out there. I don't have Excel in front of me to plot out a tool though

[drifting stag]

I got here a combined one where both aug and capacity are the same amount

[steel frost]

the formula is { 10,000 + (2000* x) } * 1.075 ^ (n-x) where n is the total number of runes

maximizing the value of this will give you value of x (number of capacity runes)

[hard quartz]

You'd want x and y and a 3d plot to do it justice

[drifting stag]

n being the total of the structure of the total of capacity runes I want to have?

[steel frost]

its not that complicated but I cant think straight right now. I just woke up lol

[steel frost]

total = aug + normal capacity runes

[hard quartz]

Yeah. So n is all the "capacity type" runes. X is general capacity, n-x is aug

It's still x and y, we are just calling y "n-x"

"I'm going to dedicate 25 runes to increasing my capacity". N=25

And then solving for the maximum

[drifting stag]

seems that 13 is the ideal number.

[hard quartz]

And then you can tweak your N as you see fit for your needs

[drifting stag]

Yep, no matter how hight I place my N, 13 seems the uptimal value for Aug.

anything more gives off a loss on LP

[steel frost]

Yes, N = 13+ is the best way to maximize

[hard quartz]

In your plot there x is regular capacity runes btw

[steel frost]

x is the point when diminishing returns start

[hard quartz]

Right. But x represents the regular runes, not the augmented

[steel frost]

yes

oh I get what you mean, Ernand came to a different conclusion

[umbral tinsel]

I just wanted to get close to 500k, so I setup the outer ring of runes as capacity and the next inner tier with augmented to get 486k.

Somewhere I have the spreadsheet with the calculations. I just needed to avoid using up the parts because I cannot find a way into the mines to get more.

[hard quartz]

Oh you're using the upgraded augmented capacity runes

With the demon parts

I think that bumps up to 15% instead of 7.5%

[steel frost]

yes 1.075^2

[hard quartz]

dropped the crash report on server general chat

[steel frost]

:)

[oblique ginkgo]

Cool

[drifting stag]

why the Living armor tomes have no description on the guide?!!!

[hard quartz]

They do. But the ones from blood magic are listed in the blood magic book. The ones from ToB are in the worn notebook

[drifting stag]

tob I can see it, but Blood magic, only has the socketed upgrade with a description

[sonic burrow]

,,,? every one has a description in the book

you're looking in the wrong place probably

[drifting stag]

I am looking through the index and onlysocketed shows up when I click on tomes

[hard quartz]

Go to the living armor page

Socketed, brilliance, and elytra are the only ones you create yourself. The rest are just from training

[drifting stag]

oh, thanks.
Why is so "hidden" in the book. the index should show everything

[hard quartz]

It probably is, just not with the search for "tome"

[drifting stag]

Also, is 300 the max you can get in the heretic armor?

because the Socketed 5 upgrade shows that it cost 310 points

[hard quartz]

For now. It'll change to 200 later

Yup

Look at the downgrade options

Penance of the leadened soul I think

But yeah regular living armor starts at 100 and upgrades to 300. Chonky was going to have heretic upgrade to 200 instead since you've got all the threads and mana anyway

[drifting stag]

hum....
Suggestion, allows the crafting of heretic armor from the Wizard robes. Just have both options of using ron armor on the ritual or the Ars Iron equivalent

[steel frost]

ritual ?

as in the alchemical array ?

[drifting stag]

yes

since you can throw in the living armor on the enchanter to get the heretic, why not trow a wizard robe on the array to get the heteric?

[brave agate]

One of the concepts I've been working out in my brief stint these last few months is how Tome of Blood could exist as an Addon without Blood Magic being a thing

I might either pass them to you, or just make like, Ars Sanguinia

• Alternative source that'd overwrite the vitalic sourcelink to generate it, probably, and could be used to power a blood-effigy-altar-block that provides some passive benefits to spell casting and regular play
• The same effigy block can be used to modify different things like mana regen/total, casting effects, source costs, etc at the cost of raising or lowering your maximum health
• different casting tools that play off the concepts above, letting you draw off health/lp/effigy energy to cast with them (no book casting though I learned my lesson and regret that in the original design)
• portable ritual tablets powered by LP/Effigy/Health that just act as the ritual would on a brazier for a set amount of time
• a few mob ideas playing off old tales of abusing magic, like spectres that appear when misusing blood magic or shades and revenants that are summonable, but bound to the player's effigy and modifiable through that whole system (Essentially like the threads for armor, but for a summonable minion mob

[hard quartz]

There's the blood magic "imperfect" ritual system some of that could play into

[brave agate]

yeah

[hard quartz]

Do those even still exist?

[brave agate]

Either it can still be wrapped up in the bridge mod, or I can stash them away in an addon/bring a little bit of a darker twist to Coven

[steel frost]

my idea with Ars Oscura was pretty similar in some ways. It was supposed to be a pure Ars Nouveau addon and would be the place where I would add all the stuff that dont fit in ToB

I had a similar idea for Portable Rituals. I wanted to make a "wisp familiar" which would always be nearby and eat ritual tablets for localized rituals

either tablets or essences , whatever would make it balanced. Would also give incentive to hording essences

My "alternative source" would be called "chaos" and was the counter part of source. Super powerful, hard to obtain. Although I wasnt going to do Sourcelinks like you mentioned

as far as Casting tools go, I would love more tools! for 0.1 release I was planning on adding some mana enchants for tridents and separate a trident casting tool. this system would slowly expand to other tools/custom tools

I have some ideas but nothing concrete yet. I do like your ideas though, they are very dark magicky :)

(Also ToB is probably not gonna get more updates till WayOfTime is back and Blood Magic development resumes)

[brave agate]

yeah that's totally fair!

I played around with more casting tools in the early parts of Ars Arsenal, and kinda liked the way it was going

[steel frost]

I have not tried that addon out but I will try it later today. If you do decide to revive it or create a new, let me know if you want any assistance :)

[steel frost]

now you have my attention

[brave agate]

Yeah

The sourcesteel tools buffed up certain types of spells that were put on them

Like the Axe would improve break and add free AOE effects to Fell, the pickaxe would add fortunes to break I think? And a few other little things

The Archwood bows were going to add special effects to spells and arrows shot from them

And the spellguns were going to take preloaded spellgems that were made from source and a spell scroll to give you spells that just consumed an item instead of mana

All kinda revolving around a source furnace idea

But the changes to base ars from 1.16 to 1.18 had me stumped on crafting so I kinda never got around to it

Also, the assets I made were bad

[steel frost]

those sound really really cool

you were the creator of elemental sets ???

source steel looks super fancy :)

[oblique ginkgo]

Yeah, I was basically mainteiner of it during 1.18.
So when armor update dropped and Mint had an hard time, we agreed to integrate them

But the new armor model doesn't fit the old textures at all so I settled on the nicer arcanist look. And they still took a bunch of hours each to retexture

Source Tools were not ported as they are kinda op as augments

The idea is still good, simply needs a bit more balance.
Also did not feel them fitting in elemental. Artifice also appeared in the meanwhile

Could make sense in neg too maybe, as it's kinda like a collab mod.

[steel frost]

Yeah whats going on with NEG ? since TMG also got ported

[steel frost]

Looks very similar to Hallowed armor from terraria

fan art

[oblique ginkgo]

Unsure, i could just release and do the split. It's compatible with tmg

It's a repack but it does have little standalone features

, orbit on block behavior

[oblique ginkgo]

then repackages the vanilla form propagators from omega, from tmg, from Elemental, and the filters

so it's a total of 3 + 4 + 3 + 2 + # filters glyphs

debating on adding sbm fluid glyphs

could either move scalaes glyphs there or duplicate code

i'm in a deadlock between keeping it small and feeling it too small

the only real way to solve it is making it modular

[steel frost]

What do you mean by repackages ?

[oblique ginkgo]

like quark or apotheosis

it adds them when they aren't present

[steel frost]

oh thats pretty cool

[oblique ginkgo]

duplicate code and assets, both with minor adjustements, that doesn't load when they are loaded

for example ordering index and different texture for filter and propagators

that makes them group in the spellbook

[steel frost]

ah

the thing is most people will probably always have TMG and Elemental. ( I kind of classify them as Tier 1 addons)

[oblique ginkgo]

a modular system would become like:

• base module (plow, ray, chain, trail. effect glyphs)
• filter module
• propagator module
• tools etc?

[steel frost]

tools ?

What tools are you thinking

[oblique ginkgo]

just posing a generic "other" category

and we made the tool example before

[steel frost]

ah

the modules seem logical enough but at this scale does it matter?

Also would players like this modular system ? for something like apotheosis, modules makes sense because it can alter the gameplay a lot but if you are just adding glyphs, why make it modular ? players wont be losing anything if they have it always on

[oblique ginkgo]

The filters are a big clutter

[steel frost]

thats true

I dont know how the spellbook screen is designed but another category like "augments" for filters would be great

or even a page like how different tiers glyphs are organised. also I dont know if this is just me but unlocking each filter is weird lol

[oblique ginkgo]

Reworking the filter system to be base Ars is tricky.

Making it work like color etc. as mixin etc. might not be possible due to how spells are encoded. (Easy as overall filter, not as effect-specific filter)

So nothing viable in the near future with my messy/limited time

An external category registration could be attempted

[oblique ginkgo]

This is because the idea was to have omega's props without all the omega stuff, or TMG without the super amps

Existing disabling work? Yeah

Does it create dead weights in the spellbook tho? For filters it becomes a whole page of unobtainable

Propagators are less in number tho

So in reality it's a lot more a side problem

Than an actual one

[steel frost]

fair enough

[steel frost]

I was actually talking about create a new section like augments section for filters so they dont clutter that much

but that will also be super hard to impl

[oblique ginkgo]

Answered here

I'd have to take another look, but might be viable as non-breaking change

So like, priority list similar to creative tabs.
Take out glyphs that match x category filter from the list, then take out x2, then x3.
With effect as the lowest priority

A filter category can be an empty default in Ars itself as IFilter PR was approved

Anyway, instead of modules I could just use feature flags

[steel frost]

feature flags are very messy is what I have heard

[oblique ginkgo]

Mojang never disappoints, uh?

[steel frost]

yeah. forge doesnt necessarily supports it either

[oblique ginkgo]

anyway, the annoying wall atm is a school project to deliver next week. After that i can decide what to do with Scalaes and Neg. Half brain says cool to split scaling compat and compat glyphs and half says that it would just transform a little known addon into two even less known addons

[this is kinda offtopic anyway, closing the discussion for now]

[drifting stag]

New ToB description

[steel frost]

bruh

I wanted to use same description of patchouli as well. That is patchouli formatting

[drifting stag]

Would have been nice if the unicode had that ormat for making bullet points

[brave agate]

I made them out of spite

[steel frost]

spite ?

[brave agate]

Yeah, I had the robes before and they looked kinda lame, and I had a single person say they looked lackluster so I spent the next three days hyperfocused on making them look good

[hard quartz]

The net and bobber on the aquamancer robes though

[wintry vale]

hey when you set your mind to doing something theres no such thing as "over doing" it

[brave agate]

i wanna bring the same vibe to coven when I can work on it

[steel frost]

Whats coven ?

even sarenor mentioned some witch mod I am assuming

[brave agate]

The witchcraft mod I've been working on

[steel frost]

oh!

cool

[brave agate]

takes a lot of cues from my own personal practice, and I'm hoping it'll be something special and cool

I've only got the uhh

Potion System working, and I need to finish up the tools and ritual system and I can probably release an alpha for it

[wintry vale]

👍

can always use more witchy things

[brave agate]

Yeah!

I'm really, really happy with the potion system, and the tool system was coming along pretty nicely too

[steel frost]

oh I remember you mentioning this earlier!

[steel frost]

personal practice 👀 ? wdym

[wintry vale]

is it kinda going to be like old school witchery

or different?

[steel frost]

are you a witch toxic

[wintry vale]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-wizard-tiny-wizard-studio-magic-wizard-witch-gif-27407291

[brave agate]

I am yeah!

[brave agate]

never played witchery, so hopefully different!

[wintry vale]

well it leaned heavy into the harry potter universe

with poppets etc

[brave agate]

The potion system is pretty modular, with different ingredients contributing to the end effects

[wintry vale]

this going to be a standalone or are you planning to add cross compat with ars?

[brave agate]

so it's a bit of balance between positive and negative effects to make Salves, Tinctures, and Poultices

Salves last the longest, Poultices have the most uses, and Tinctures improve the effects

totally standalone

the plan is to kinda

do something different

[wintry vale]

👍

[brave agate]

The spell system is a little funky and weird but I really like it with the little bit of a test I did with it

[wintry vale]

well i'll give my opinion

when i get my hands on it

if it don't fall on my never ending list of "mods to play with"

[steel frost]

sounds super interesting!

[wintry vale]

like the idea of it

sounds different then the current witch themed mods

so look forward to testing it 👍

[brave agate]

yeah, I'm trying to be more feature foreward than some of the other witch craft mods which are more decorative and vibes

[wintry vale]

ya alot of these mods are more deco then feature rich

guess we'll see when the alpha comes out

got a name for it yet?

[brave agate]

Coven

[wintry vale]

👍

well with a name like that am i getting my own coven of witches?

[brave agate]

I've been thinking about it honestly

[wintry vale]

future idea perhaps after the potion system is worked out to where you want it

[brave agate]

Yeah, I've been trying to figure out how like... "Companions" and such could work

[wintry vale]

hmm

well minecrafts companion ai is jank

that might be harder then it seems lol

could make the coven more of a crafting mechanic instead of actual followers

and just go with the tried and true familier route

[brave agate]

Yeah

That's something I was thinking

[wintry vale]

👍

[oblique ginkgo]

Witchery had that

Once you befriend one, you can summon her to help with rituals

There are few that required a minimum coven size

[wintry vale]

getting charmed vibes from thinking of this

[brave agate]

I was even thinking of making a more distinct friendly witch villager type or something

Make it so they need to sleep and might ask for items or something

[wintry vale]

hmm

so kinda like a minecolonies villager

[oblique ginkgo]

befriending was made by giving them specific brews they asked you

not sure about the details as i probably didn't do that in-game

[brave agate]

Kinda sorta, still in the works since I've got other things I really wanna/need to do first, like actually hammer out the ritual system and figure out how to datapack recipes

[wintry vale]

heh thats my boat i got so many ideas

but not the know how to do it

like i know for alot of things i need to learn data packs and kudejs

just for custom crafts

[brave agate]

It's not that I don't have ideas, it's the infrastructure on how datapacks get read and applying that to rituals

[oblique ginkgo]

without recipes you mean?

cause if you mean with recipes you should be a bit more specific

Ars have some examples

I've based Eidolon ritual internal rework off the enchanting apparatus

[brave agate]

With recipes

And without, I was trying to dismantle the apparatus system before the move, but didn't feel like it was making much sense

[oblique ginkgo]

again, depends on what said rituals require to be written inside the json

as long as it can be represented in json, you can write a serializer/deserializer and let the datagen write it, while you only work on the coded ritual

[brave agate]

Yeah, I really need to figure out datagen

And Minecraft serializers lmao

[umbral tinsel]

An Ars glyph style potion system would be interesting. Even Ars potion mixer is just vanilla potions mixed to avoid having to drink a bunch of different ones.

I have to love reading chat, typing something I think was part of the current topic and it scrolling like 50 chats down to something completely different...

[wintry vale]

👍

[steel frost]

Tome of Blood: Rebirth / Ars Ocultas

[steel frost]

Is this too strong lol ?

not even 350 Mana used and will cost is also pretty low I think

[hard quartz]

One shot no amps?

[steel frost]

Yep

it was destructive will with 4k will. so maybe thats why

[umbral tinsel]

does that use up the will?

It's possible to tote around a bunch of greater tartaric gems, of course. But filling them requires some work of some kind.

[steel frost]

it does but its pretty less. I dont remember if it scales with number of mobs attacked

[umbral tinsel]

My experience is mostly with hoglins, which have ridiculous ammounts of HP for a vanilla mob. But the Sentient Sword or Scythe with full 'vanilla' will single shots most mobs. Add destructive and sharpness V and you get close to that on hoglins without criticals.

I think it was Vengful doing the DoT 'wither II' effect is pretty much the same, but you have to wait the 2-3 seconds for the wither effect to finish off the mob.

[hard quartz]

Vengeful is the run speed

[umbral tinsel]

Yes. And it speeds up attack speed quite a bit.

[hard quartz]

Which I couldn't use lol.. i was running too fast

[umbral tinsel]

At 4k Vengful I could spam click the Scythe.

Corrosive! That's what does the 'Wither II'.

The green one.

[hard quartz]

Corrosive is wither. Melts them away

[umbral tinsel]

To be fair, I was mosty testing the results of Fortune III on drops, not paying too much attention to killing effeciency.

[steel frost]

0.4.2 should be up in a bit ( depends on how long github takes to build). I recommend updating asap as Sentient Wrath will crash server everytime

[hard quartz]

I got tired of punching pigs, figured I'll just go set up the crystal rituals

I should probably do something besides blood magic in my next video though lol

[umbral tinsel]

if the blood network itsn't that expensive, I might want to do that. I just need too re-setup the breaking ritual under the crystal ritual I have now.

With my WoS broken, I'm limited on making lots of new slates or recharging my LP network.

[hard quartz]

Did something on your well get broken? Like missing a block?

It's been a few days since I've actually been at mine, so I just assumed it was still functional

[umbral tinsel]

IDK. I added a redstone lamp next to the vanilla restone lever I use to turn the ritual on/off. Suddenly it no longer worked.

I was using the lamp to light up the area and turn off the spawners. The lever was already used to toggle the WoS on/off and had been there since I originally built it.

I tore it down and used a ritual wand to rebuild it while the book UI was active. Said that it worked and placed all the blocks correctly. Still didn't work even without the lamp or lever.

[hard quartz]

Huh.. That's odd. Like a phantom redstone

Do you get the "Rush of energy" message?

[umbral tinsel]

Yep. And I lose the correct ammount of LP from the network when using the weak shard on it.

[hard quartz]

Hmmm. So it's definitely building correctly then

And that should reset the area of effect if you changed it with the tinkerer

[umbral tinsel]

But afterwards it never consumes any LP and never hurts any mobs. Also, if it was running correctly on the default area of effect it would also tick the training dummy I have in the area.

Since I put the redstone lamp in, nothing. I need to test again and see if something weird happened.

[hard quartz]

And I assume it's close enough to an altar to fill it

[umbral tinsel]

I hope that being just bellow it works. I can always use the tinkerer to link it as needed.

[tardy sail]

Does sound of the cleansing soul reset the heretic's robes?

[steel frost]

Yes

[tardy sail]

Hmmm. Am I supposed to wear them when activating the ritual or throw them ontop of the master ritual stone?

[hard quartz]

If I remember in the past, you wore it

[tardy sail]

Bah, I wonder what I'm doing wrong. I activated the ritual a few times and nothing happened.

[hard quartz]

Do you have a chest for the upgrade scrolls?

[tardy sail]

Hah. That would be a negative

I'm assuming that goes adjacent to the master stone? It isn't shown in the documentation

Nope. Had to stand on the master ritual stone after activating it. It dropped the scrolls in my inventory

[hard quartz]

Oh yeah. You walk in to it

[karmic badge]

do the blood magic rituals for the living armor still work with the heretic robes

[steel frost]

yes they do

[karmic badge]

how do i apply the living upgrades to the chestpiece?

[steel frost]

you need to train it. refer the book Sanguine Scientum

if you have living tome upgrade, you can wear the full heretic armor and then right click the upgrade

[hard quartz]

And right click with the tome should add a single level at a time

[austere quartz]

At the risk of sounding like the Discord noob I feel like atm, does anyone have the link for the 1.19.2 version of Blood Magic?

[sonic burrow]

the only version that was ever put out in public is not recommended for use

it was made only for testing purposes

so, in effect, there is no 1.19.2 version

[austere quartz]

Yeah, that's kinda the answer I got in the BM Discord, too. I know it'd probably be buggy, but I just wanted to see if I could get it to work with my own setup. Many of the mods I play haven't updated 1.20.+

[sonic burrow]

tbh, i think that version was deleted, or at least hidden

as i can not find it

so

[austere quartz]

I never actually saw it public. I know the Maven was linked at one point, but they never released on CF or Modrinth.

[sonic burrow]

id seen it publicly once

[austere quartz]

Oh, well. Looks like I'm waiting just a bit longer, unless I can find a friend with a copy.

[umbral tinsel]

Direwolf20 did the Edge of the Endless ritual in his LetsPlay series. He also got invisible blazes in one room. So it wasn't just an oddity that Zeig777 found them on the test server.

[hard quartz]

I think I had regular blazes in one of the other rooms

[hard quartz]

Am I reading the code right? Is mana attunement 4, 10, 22, 40 upgrade points? And you said 5% discount per level

[karmic badge]

wouldnt that be a max 80% discount at max level on reg living armor

[hard quartz]

There's only 4 levels

[karmic badge]

does it not stack per piece or is it only available for heretic

[hard quartz]

Living armor style armor only stores the upgrades on the chest piece

[steel frost]

yes

why do you ask? is it bad or something?

[hard quartz]

No, just adding it to a spreadsheet

[steel frost]

ah

[hard quartz]

Gotta figure out what all I want

So sad that there's no step assist

I gotta figure out how to get that. I only have a couple level 3 thread slots, I don't really want to use one for that

[steel frost]

there is I think

[hard quartz]

There used to be, but I haven't found one at least not listed in the book

[steel frost]

yeah its not reimplemented

[hard quartz]

Rip

I miss botania's sash

For a while they had tied the quick step upgrade and step assist together

[karmic badge]

will mana bubble consume blood instead of mana if your mana runs out

[steel frost]

mana bubble ? I am not sure what that is

if it a caster tool, no . Other than the book nothing else uses LP for now

[oblique ginkgo]

AE effect from glyph

It pops if the user mana reach 0, so hard to combine those

[cerulean crag]

Will there ever be blood mastery set like the element mastery?

Like a demon heart is the shard of blood mastery

[steel frost]

mastery as in the foci ?

[cerulean crag]

Ya mb

[steel frost]

I might add one. I have some ideas about how it could work

[cerulean crag]

Like what decreased lp used/ increase lp spells

[steel frost]

nah thats too basic imo

it depends on what branch I feel like using. LP system or demon will

can also make it living armor related or something completely new also

[umbral tinsel]

Flavored hearts to go with the flavored weapons?

[cerulean crag]

Demon will- having bosses hearts surround you, lp/blood, having like bloods sigil around u

Idk tbh

Driving blood

For a defect of demon will mastery, unable to sleep/ going insane

Like seeing or hearing a creeper for them nothing to be there

Getting an effect of "being watched"

[brave agate]

I think flavor wise having one of each would be pretty good

[hard quartz]

I think one of the problems with blood magic 1.12 was that the sentient armor simply was nowhere near as useful as living armor perks

Sure you could have vengeful will in your sentient armor, for the run speed, but you can also just have run speed on your living stuff

[steel frost]

I am second guessing whether to have the upgraded enchant system I was working on for Ars Oscura

Maybe they dont fit the theme of Ars Nouveau

[drifting stag]

What was the plan?

[steel frost]

#off-topic message

[sturdy pine]

that looks sick

[drifting stag]

Thats nice
So a way to "transmute" enchantments

That's smart.

[steel frost]

Yeah. Enchantment transmutation sounds cool

but dont know if it fits the mod

[drifting stag]

Maybe enchanted items of a certain enchantment could be the material to do the transmutation as well?

It sounds as if it fits. The whole sacrificing enchanted items to alter an existent enchantment sounds cool and "occult"

[steel frost]

the recipes ingredients can be adjusted

[steel frost]

@unborn heart what did those glyphs do ?

[unborn heart]

they gave the player/hit entity strength and speed

they scaled with extend time, decrease time, amplify and dampen

anyway its just like regeneration of today's version but for strength

[steel frost]

but what use did they have in spells ?

[unborn heart]

none

they just granted effects

nothing more

just plain effects

[steel frost]

I am considering creating an alternative way for player to get passive potion effects already. so I ask

[unborn heart]

there were no drawbacks so in a sense they were superior to adrenaline

that's why i liked them as they were not augment capped

[steel frost]

adrenaline ?

[unborn heart]

from ars omega

gives a bunch of effects

both positive and engaticve

[steel frost]

I am not familiar much with omega

[hard quartz]

Strength and speed were straight up vanilla potion effects to arbitrary amplify levels

We removed them so people would use potions instead of just spells

[unborn heart]

that made me sad

i dont wanna brew potion like a peasant

[steel frost]

there are alternatives

wixies or blood magic flasks

almost all magic mods add an alternative like botania brewery

[hard quartz]

Specifically wixies and flasks. We add potion stuff but nobody uses them if you can just get speed 9 from a spell

[oblique ginkgo]

There was a clash between Ars and Ars tho

[unborn heart]

the reason i liked strength is because i need to heal a lot

a lot a lot

so dispel is a must

[oblique ginkgo]

If you add a way to make potions then make something else that completely overwhelm it and cost almost nothing...

[unborn heart]

anyway adrenaline exists now

i just need to find a way to void the negatives

[hard quartz]

I like negatives. I want choices, not "best"

[unborn heart]

hmm

[hard quartz]

It's boring to have a best

[unborn heart]

depends on how many counter plays there are

for example the fire gatling is very powerful

but dispellant and fire res potions can resist it

[hard quartz]

Fire Gatling shouldn't exist

Fire res can't

[unborn heart]

what?

well that's a problem

[hard quartz]

It's not fire. It's hell fire

That's part of why it works

[unborn heart]

damn

[hard quartz]

It requires using the fire focus, which makes normally fire resistant things vulnerable

[unborn heart]

just have a reactive>blink piece

if you can't beat it flee it

anyway the premise for fire gatling is that you are close to the target or else you will do minuscule amount of damage

maybe a switch to make yourself the attacker?

depending on which version of the sepll they are using, the counters change a lot

[oblique ginkgo]

I'm pretty tempted on making it dispellable again

But set the forceApply

[unborn heart]

make what dispelable?

hellfire burn?

[oblique ginkgo]

Especially because of the recent kindling thread buff

Ye

[unborn heart]

the fire school has always been the problematic one of the bunch

[oblique ginkgo]

It's just the one that one do one thing and should be good at it

Destruction

[steel frost]

I should really play ars nouveau lategame. What is kindling thread ?

[hard quartz]

Fire school to me I think requires fire resistance to be interesting. Hits hard, but it's not applicable to every situation

[unborn heart]

an armor buff

eg more mana

[unborn heart]

water school is even more inflexible

the rare setup that work on land are very easy to deal with

or they do little damage

we really need a water school nuff

[oblique ginkgo]

The one that set on fire every time you deal damage with a glyph, I allowed recently to also apply hellfire.

[unborn heart]

rookie mistake

btw i have a problem

one of the glyph i codded deals too much damage

[steel frost]

so free fire ticks? Sounds super strong

[unborn heart]

how do i add drawbacks to using it?

do i make it suck the life out of the user?

[steel frost]

nah that makes using the spell not fun

[unborn heart]

it can easily deal 200k dps

[steel frost]

drawbacks shouldnt make the spell too much of a pain

[unborn heart]

so it NEEDS a nerf

i already nerfed it like 5 times

[steel frost]

bruh you really need to cut down the damage

[unborn heart]

but its still too damn strong

the individual hits are like 5 damage each

but the problem is the fucking WALL GLYPH

[steel frost]

huh? normal harm glyph is 5 damage

[unborn heart]

its like harm but it scales very hard with the number of hits per second

(0tick delay)

[steel frost]

can you show me how it works ?

[unborn heart]

sur

e

here is the code responsible for the damage:

``
double damageBonusTimes = 1;
float AMP_DAMAGE = 7f;
double DAMAGE = 10;
if (living.hasEffect(ModPotions.HEX_EFFECT.get())) {
int multiplier = Objects.requireNonNull(living.getEffect(ModPotions.HEX_EFFECT.get())).getAmplifier();
damageBonusTimes += multiplier >> 3;
}
if (living.hasEffect(ModPotions.SNARE_EFFECT.get())) {

            int s = Objects.requireNonNull(living.getEffect(ModPotions.SNARE_EFFECT.get())).getAmplifier();
            damageBonusTimes += s >> 4;
        }
        DAMAGE += (spellStats.getAmpMultiplier() * AMP_DAMAGE);
        DAMAGE *= damageBonusTimes;
        DamageSource source = DamageSource.MAGIC.bypassMagic();
        if (shooter instanceof Player) {
            source = DamageSource.playerAttack((Player) shooter).bypassMagic();
        }
        attemptDamage(world, shooter, spellStats, spellContext, resolver, entity, source, (float) DAMAGE/2);
        living.invulnerableTime = 0;
    }
}

``

[steel frost]

I meant a video

[unborn heart]

ah yes

[steel frost]

but this is fine ig

damageBonusTimes += multiplier >> 3;
damageBonusTimes += s >> 4;

[unborn heart]

its a division

the line above divides by 8

the line under by 16

if i didn't use these then it generated a null pointer error

ah turns out im stupid

the reason that intellij was cursing me was because i was dividing a double by an int

(i love java !!1!1)

[steel frost]

thats not a java issue

[unborn heart]

i know

i said that because everytime somethigns goes wrong i always blame java and it has become kind of an inside joke

[steel frost]

         int multiplier = Objects.requireNonNull(living.getEffect(ModPotions.HEX_EFFECT.get())).getAmplifier();
                damageBonusTimes += multiplier >> 3; ```

[unborn heart]

how did you get the fancy colors?

[steel frost]

so every 8 levels of hex, your damageBonus is increased by 1 ?

[unborn heart]

no

wait

[steel frost]

lookup discord code formatting

[unborn heart]

every 8 level of hex, the total END damage is multiplied by k+1

same for snare but every 12 levels now

[steel frost]

how do you get that many levels of hex /snare ?

[unborn heart]

ars omega

wait

no tmg

[steel frost]

16

[unborn heart]

gtg

bye

[oblique ginkgo]

It's from base Ars, I simply add the thing if the focus is equipped and the thread is lv3

[oblique ginkgo]

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Kindling, just like chilling and the others, allow to save one glyph

[cerulean crag]

What if u take the blood from other mobs like cow blood is to clear effect, enderman for night vision, rabbits for leap

Or instead of blood, consuming the soul of a mob

[steel frost]

this isn't for tome of blood

[cerulean crag]

Oh mb

[drifting stag]

For Ars Oculta.
To find Iesnium, is it possible using the Ars Ore Scry ritual?

[drifting stag]

and yeah, off hand break wiht main hand axe bug does not work for other world wood

[steel frost]

I had a concept for a new mob called Wisps which would somwhat look like this (not my art)

this mob was supposed to a familiar that always follows the player around (right on top of player) and provides buffs and potion effects

#1181307602827751435 might give this mob a new purpose as well (when not being used a familiar)

a normal wisp can be given a spell and does an AOE (in a circular radius) spell cast around it (maybe even a mechanism to target only entities)

when two wisp are linked together, they could create a ley line type thing

my whole idea regarding wisps were they were sort of portable rituals (in familiar form) and extensible spell casters

@frail wasp what do you think about this ?

you could also chain multiple wisps together to do fancy things ig

[frail wasp]

Oh that is neat. Is this for your add-on?

[steel frost]

it is yes

if you think this is a good idea + satisfies #1181307602827751435 , I will work on this