Discussion

[late perch]

Is there a part of the mod pack I should look at to get larger mana pools/regen?

I have access to tier 3 glyphs but they CHEW through my mana and don’t seem to really give me as much “bang” as I was hoping for.

[blazing heath]

Every glyph you learn gives you more max mana

Also, mana enchantements

[late perch]

WHAT

[blazing heath]

And wizard armor

(robes)

[ruby knoll]

@late perch

How do I get more mana?

• Learn all the glyphs you can. By default each glyph gives you 15 mana.
• Enchant everything with Mana Boost and Mana Regen. Each level of Mana Boost will give you 25 mana. Each level of Mana Regen will give you 2 mana per second.
• Use an Amulet of Mana Boost or Amulet of Mana Regen. These provide 50 mana, and 3 mana regen respectively.
• Craft two Rings of Greater Discount, each of these reduce your spell cost by 20 mana.
• Upgrade your Spell Book to the highest tier you can. Each book tier grants you 50 mana and 1 mana regen.
• Put a Magic Capacity thread in the highest level slot that you can. This increases your max mana by 10% per level.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @azure ice

[late perch]

I have wizard armor currently, looking to upgrade to the pyro armor here soon. Currently on an enderman hunt to get more pearls for discount rings.

What are mana enchantments? Is that the whole putting spells onto parchment stuff?

[blazing heath]

No

Just enchantment books

[late perch]

Cool okay

[blazing heath]

With the mana boost and mana regen enchants respectively

[late perch]

I have much to look into after work today

[flint idol]

Main thing though is learning every glyph

[late perch]

Definitely gonna focus the glyphs hardcore now. I’ve only been unlocking the ones that seem interesting to me.

[flint idol]

If you've got the filter glyphs from add-ons, those are pretty cheap to acquire

[late perch]

What are reactive shields and swords?? It’s part of the magic trinkets I can make but I don’t understand them

[flint idol]

Do I need a craft Glyph? Meh, probably not. But I definitely need the mana from it. Same with filter: item

[blazing heath]

Enchanter's, not reactive. The shield is a fancy shield

The sword applies the spell on the sword to anyone you hit

[late perch]

Yes sorry, enchanters.

Are they worthwhile?

[blazing heath]

Yes

[late perch]

I wanted to make a sword that lightning bolted people lol

[blazing heath]

That sounds funny, please do

[flint idol]

Reactive is an enchantment that can be applied to anything to cast a spell when you left click with it. Or applied to armor to cast when you take damage.

Enchanters sword is a self repairing diamond sword that effectively has "reactive" built in. Reactive is a 25% chance to cast per level, while the enchanter sword will always cast

And yes the spells still cost mana. You probably don't want a helmet that casts a 500 mana spell each time you take a tick of damage

[late perch]

I saw a YouTube video of someone putting reactive healing on their chest plate. Seemed worthwhile but I’d be worried about mana consumption.

[flint idol]

Reactive still needs a form though. While the enchanter sword is basically locked to touch when you hit a mob with it. You could have reactive cast a projectile spell for instance when you swing it

[blazing heath]

Reactive is the "put ur insta-kill spell on a fish" enchant

[flint idol]

A simple self heal isn't too bad. And again level 1 reactive is only 25% chance to cast each time anyway

For armor you definitely want to balance out the spell cost. Reactive can be fun to put joke spells on things though

A bucket that when you punch a mob, it encases them in a bunch of mage blocks (so you put them in the bucket in world)

A feather that when you swing it casts self leap

[late perch]

How do you upgrade threads? Rn I have level 1,2,3 slots on my chest and legs but I don’t know how to make level 3 threads

[flint idol]

The level is just what slot you place the thread in

[blazing heath]

You just put the thread in a level 3 slot

[late perch]

Woah huge

This mod is wild lmfao

[blazing heath]

You know it

[late perch]

Is there a spell that allows flight?

Cause rn I just use amplified leap and throw myself across the world

[blazing heath]

Not creative flight

But there is a ritual

And for elytra gliding

[late perch]

Nice

[blazing heath]

Also a gliding thread

[late perch]

Woah what??? Gliding thread sounds insane

[blazing heath]

(the ritual is for creative flight, not gliding)

[flint idol]

It's very nice

[blazing heath]

Gliding thread my beloved

[late perch]

Right now my biggest holdups are ender pearls. Any idea if there’s a way to make an enderman spawner?

[flint idol]

I have flight rituals around my base for building. But gliding thread (which is required to be in a level 3 slot) in my gear so I can leap around

[blazing heath]

Drygmys

[blazing heath]

These guys

[late perch]

What do drygmys do

[flint idol]

Otherwise if you can get to the end, endermen farms are very easy with portals

[late perch]

Which also reminds me how tf do I get a familiar???? I want one of those little book wyrm guys they’re cute

[blazing heath]

If you trap a mob next to a drygmy house thing, the drygmys (when provided with source) repeatedly produce the mob's drops without killing the mob

[late perch]

Whatttttttt

That’s insane

[blazing heath]

You can also use a ritual to put the mobs in jars, and drygmys work with jarred mobs

[late perch]

Actually insane cause I have 3 enderman eggs lmfao

[flint idol]

Uses a fair bit of source/power

[late perch]

Can I make a drygmy shard spanwer thing and use one of those?

Or do I have to find a wild drygmy

[blazing heath]

U need a drygmy charm/token

I forgor which one

One crafts the other

[late perch]

Okay. I figured out how to get starbuncles to give me their shards, what’s the trick with drygmys

[blazing heath]

It's similar

I dont remember the exact item

[late perch]

Throw gold at their feet?

[blazing heath]

One second

[late perch]

Ah. Different item but same concept.

[blazing heath]

Wilden horn

You need a wilden horn

But source is the most important thing

[late perch]

So rn I’ve got a sourceberry farm set up being auto harvested and destroyed by starbuncles

[blazing heath]

Nicee

[late perch]

And it gives me a fair amount of source. Would something like that be needed but specifically feeding source jars next to the drygmy?

[blazing heath]

U need a jar next to the drygmy henge (house thing)

[late perch]

And is it possible to trap an enderman without them stealing the blocks? How would I set up such a farm

[late perch]

Can I make a drygmy henge or do I have to find a wild one

[blazing heath]

Make one

U need to right click mossy cobble with a drygmy token

[late perch]

You’re such a lifesaver lol

[blazing heath]

Once the transformation is finished, you keep right clicking with more of them

[late perch]

I never would’ve figured all this out

[blazing heath]

There is an ingame guide that explains most concepts well

[late perch]

I find the in game guide a bit cumbersome sometimes. Perhaps that’s just me being dumb 🤣🤣

[blazing heath]

Same ngl

I spent months goofing around with spells before i even touched the guide

Anyways i have to go now

I'll be back in 40ish minutes so feel free to post any more questions you have (someone else will probably answer them first)

[late perch]

Thanks for everything!

[blazing heath]

np

[ionic stone]

@late perch also, ars trinkets can give you an unholy amount of mana

But their items are expensive

[late perch]

I shall look into it

[blazing heath]

Trinkets breaks any sense of balance

But it is fun

[flint maple]

Trinkets almost give you mana just by being there

[late perch]

What’re some base-mid level trinkets to look into?? Rn I’m rocking two necklaces of mana regen +3 and 1 ring of greater discount

And the lesser fire focus if that counts as a trinket

[bold verge]

as you have ars trinkets, i’d recommend getting a purple mana lotus and two pirple mana rings

[late perch]

I’ll look into it

[bold verge]

#community-creations message

here is an easy automation setup

it should also work for 1.19

[late perch]

What in the world am I looking at in that photo

[bold verge]

hmm

its imbuement chambers

and the smart chutes (idk if they exist in 1.19 bur any block that can filter its intakes and drop it down is fine)

[late perch]

Just a ton of them on top of each other?

[bold verge]

yeah

crafting the next tier

again and again

(until T10)

[late perch]

Next tier??

[bold verge]

yep

[solemn gust]

Anyone have recs for a funny self-cast quarry spell? Aiming for maximum stuff per cast, semi-controllable (not just turbo split explosions)

[bold verge]

[propagate self] [propagate projectile]

this will mine a very big tunnel (also quite controlable)

[late perch]

Hi everyone! I’m back, this time looking for a damage spell that involves fire damage and chaining capabilities, but won’t 1-2 tap my friends. I keep accidentally killing them on our adventures into The End

[blazing heath]

filter not player

[late perch]

I tried a filter for only monsters. Perhaps I’ve got the wrong filter then. Thanks!

I’ll try it in a couple hours when the server is back up.

Where in the spell would I put the filter? At the very start of the glyphs?

[blazing heath]

before the part that does damage. filters just make the rest of the glyphs not be executed if not met.

if you placed a filter living before in the spell clement posted above, it wold only try to break (and pickup items from) living creatures

[stark tartan]

Hi, is it possible to make the Light spell temporary, when used with projectile ?

I tried using reduce duration but it doesn't seem to do anything.

[flint maple]

yes, but that feature is currently bugged

it's fixed in current 1.21 release, just need to be backportede

[turbid light]

×7 with a

[shrewd crag]

Is there any way to have a spell follow someone after triggering? I've been trying to make a spell that could follow them after they go up and trigger again at least once, but nothing seems to be working out

[bold verge]

you should be able to put and have some after effects

[shrewd crag]

I did dabble with that a little bit, but I found that it was just doing a couple of small launches and weren't nearly as high as if I'd just done a full 9 slots of launch.
The closest I got to any breakthrough though was when, just out of curiosity, I altered the end of the Harm Gatling Gun to just launch instead and oh boy, I'm pretty sure that zebra got minutes of air time. Wasn't paying too much attention, but it was up there long enough that I had assumed I already missed him fall back down and forgot about him. Very inconsistent though, most of the time it wouldn't get that much air lol

[bold verge]

now add a at the end

[turbid light]

Probably because you need a before .

The gist of it is that Gatling summons a lot of projectiles, but most do not hit because the zebra is already in the stratosphere.

Adding a delay, allows every projectile to make contact

[bold verge]

^^

(adding a is also a stylish touch)

[turbid light]

I still have to test

Wanna make a gattling railgun

[bold verge]

imo taking [missile] is more of a gatling gun

[turbid light]

Although the delay occupies a lot of space

[turbid light]

Yeah. But I mostly only use elemental

[bold verge]

wont you run jnto the problem of blocks in the front blocking the ones in the back?

seems more practical

[turbid light]

Also. You need overhead or it ain't gonna place the blocks. As you are in the way

[bold verge]

ah true

[turbid light]

Nope. Cuz the conjuring and leaping happens simultaneously

I have , not

[bold verge]

ah i see

that's quite smart

(might steal it for a spell)

[overhead] [plane]

always wanted to have a meteor-ish kind of spell

now i can do them

:^)

[turbid light]

What are you targeting with ?

Also, only leap with no amplifies kinda sucks

Deals much less damage and is veery slow

[bold verge]

oops

forgot to add

is [propagate plane] NEG, TMG, or AE?

[blazing heath]

U dont need in there

[turbid light]

It's for the fun of it

[turbid light]

Still. You'd need overhead for [prop_self] but since you're using nothing but aiming up will save you from being in [plane]

[turbid light]

If you have [overhead] as a form glyph, I suggest you replace [overhead] for just [overhead]

If you want to shoot it from one place I suggest you use [plane][prop_self][overhead]

Probably best with a mirror

[shrewd crag]

Did a quick test before I head to work and laughed my ass off. Forget the spell following them, that height is insane! Thanks for the tips!

[solid charm]

is there any way to make more mana efficient? or is that the only setup that can one shot 20hp mobs

[flint idol]

Are you wearing a thread of spell power in level 3?

[blazing heath]

That is FAR from the only setup

[flint idol]

And wearing two greater discount rings will knock another 40 mana off

[solid charm]

no mage armor, dirt tier gear

im curious

will be able to make discount rings soon

just wanna know

[blazing heath]

I think just works

Not sure tho

[solid charm]

i should've clarified with harm only

[blazing heath]

Oh well

[solid charm]

i also asked that before i got the materials i needed so yeah

[blazing heath]

U should learn more glyphs ngl

[flint idol]

I ask because spell power adds to each damage glyph in the spell. So when you do the delay and additional harm, it adds up twice

[blazing heath]

And upgrade ur spellbook

[solid charm]

i will

[blazing heath]

fair enough

[solid charm]

but i had to use something to deal with mobs at range

[flint idol]

I can't help but ask why it needs to be one shot

Projectile harm can be effectively free with discount rings. Hard to beat the mana efficiency there

[solid charm]

withers and blazes really

i just wanted a guarantee kill to be safe

[blazing heath]

Thats fair

[solid charm]

even if it took half my pool

[blazing heath]

Theres always shenanigans to be done

[solid charm]

having a spell that can deal with those from range with one cast is pretty helpful

but well that phase is over i can get t2 stuff now anyways

[blazing heath]

Good to know

Some action might be ur best bet

Cuz of blazes

And also makes a mess

[solid charm]

i have elemental

so cut discharge it is

[flint idol]

Current world I embraced tome of blood, so I've been using sentient harm since early game

I had gone with cold snap in the past, I'll have to see how it plays out now that it's changed from last time I used it

[solid charm]

wish last time i went into tome of blood earlier

would've helped tremendously with terraforming

[flint idol]

I haven't actually used the tomes

[solid charm]

even with the t3 orb you get like

10k extra mana

[flint idol]

Yeah I just never actually need it

[solid charm]

1 mana to 10 lp was the conversion last i've cecked

yeah but when you're doing stuff like 5x5x5 breaking it is nice

[flint idol]

Fair but it's also a mod that solves that problem anyway. I've got meteors of ore, so I don't tend to need that much mining

I get the idea, I just haven't needed it

[solid charm]

wasn't for mining, was for base building anyways

3x3 chunk area hollowed out

[solid charm]

discharge or spark discharge?

[bold verge]

[spark] -> [discharge]

[solid charm]

works for either reactive sword or book cast?

[bold verge]

for book use

(or ray)

for sword use

[solid charm]

Cool yeah

[cursive notch]

we have the thread so just [discharge] is okay; [spark]-> [discharge] is quite waste glyph slot since due to imunity iframe only [discharge] do damage

[bold verge]

[spark] deals which can increase the damage dealt by [discharge]

(same for )

so in a situation where you can bypass iframes, [discharge] is your "best" spell choice (for AOE, but it is also quite laggy)

(as deals )

[cursive notch]

how about the thread of shocking? i mean as long as we have it in our armor we no longer need spark to active that status effect

[bold verge]

it is indeed nice

btw the shocking thread inflicts static and not shocked

meaning they stack

and [discharge]'s damage is increase by both

TLDR : go for shocking thread and lightning/spark

[fervent hawk]

oh actually now that potion arrows work on enchanter's bows, I wonder if there could be fun combos with potion arrows and spells

like the Static effect from the Flashpine could be applied via arrow

[solid charm]

why stop at that

static blasting freezing

[cerulean compass]

could I just go above a villager house with push, AOE and Pierce to move it down a couple blocks?

is there a better way to do it? the blocks turn into entities when I push them the way I want to

maybe pulling is better? from below?

[dense mountain]

I think the biggest thing in your way are the blocks already occupying space beneath the house. You can't push something into space that is already occupied. There's prob a way to do it, but not in a single spell.

is what would let blocks fall down, but that would cause the house to just collapse... I'm not sure that can you can just translate a structure with voids in any direction

[flint idol]

Might be able to do something like burst sensitive mageblock gravity?

I do kinda like the idea of hitting a village with large scale burst gravity though to flatten it all

[cursive notch]

How about leap , blocks will jump then falldown, just like gravity do but more fun?

[flint idol]

The thought with mage block was to hold the internal structure for moving the whole thing as one

[cursive notch]

So ( )n help raising the structures ? (Without focus of shaving )

[mellow gulch]

Focus of Shaving: applies before the spell propagates. Deals 2x damage to Steve

[blazing heath]

No

[mellow gulch]

Yes

[blazing heath]

Fair enough

[cursive notch]

Haha, i get it, it can remove sheep's fur and alex' hair too, my bad ( focus of block shaping)

[stark tartan]

Does the effects resolve exactly at the same time, when there is no ?

[bold verge]

they trigger one after the other, in sequential order

[pale perch]

How does one know if their Reactive spell is working or not? I'm trying to test out a spell and I can't tell if I'm just unlucky or if it's not working as intended

Im using Too Many Glyphs and my spell is:

[Ray] [Filter:Monster] x5 II x2

(That's 2 Amplify level II at the end

I'm basically wanting for my shield to send out a ray of monster harm if it gets hit, and idk if it's working and I'm just not triggering it or if I did the spell wrong

[flint idol]

Do you have elemental?

Because the shield doing anything with reactive requires elemental

[pale perch]

Ohhhhhh okay, I don't have elemental

I didn't realize one of the adons was mandatory to make a base glyph function with shield

[fervent hawk]

No it's the reactive function

Main mod honestly doesn't want to include that function of casting while blocking

[mellow gulch]

But still includes on hit reactive? 👀

[azure ice]

That's an Elemental change

Oh you mean for armor

[mellow gulch]

On action reactive (like psis armor) would be amazing

[sullen sky]

reactive works on swords/items too

[eternal zodiac]

My reactive stick called The Bat with x9

[pale perch]

I installed Elemental and now my shield react spell works as I intended!

But I'm probably gonna alter it a bit cause it takes a lot of mana

[eternal zodiac]

I wish spell reflection worked on my shield

Just crashes my game :(

I know that's not the same thing but it's like :(

[flint maple]

Why you didn't report it then, lmao

[sullen sky]

lol

[eternal zodiac]

I did

No one ever responded so I dropped it and just told everyone on my server not to use it

https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1203573103775584336

[flint maple]

Ah, 1.18 was already long out of support

But I totally missed it either way

[eternal zodiac]

Since you saw it now, I don't suppose there's any way to fix it?

[flint maple]

The tombstone for 1.18 is already well grounded, not even sure I'd be able to work well on that old codebase (also due to memory and gradle being a jerk with project import)

I did the 1.19 port of Ars and quickly moved everything there, and started being more active, not a lot of digging in 1.18 codebase

[eternal zodiac]

Oke

[sullen sky]

Oh yeah that reminds me of a dupe glitch I need to test in arcane isles

[lone gale]

you what mate?

[sullen sky]

uh

[sullen sky]

i tested, doesn't work

they probs patched it

darn it

[azure ice]

There's plenty of other dupe glitches active in Arcane Isles

[sullen sky]

Couldn’t find any

[sullen sky]

I was planning on ending my series with a dupe glitch because I eventually got a bit bored, but ill keep recording until the ender dragon fight

[azure ice]

I patched one that requires the stronghold unlocked

[tawny jasper]

What does ⛓️ do exactly? I'm a bit confused.

[blazing heath]

⛓️ is chaining from the mod "too many glypha"

It basically just multiplies the spell by 16

If used with sensitive

[tawny jasper]

I know, but I'm just a bit confused, does it target other blocks other than the same type or does it not change the targetting?

[blazing heath]

Ok no im dumb

[flint idol]

Chain sensitive I don't think does anything

[fervent hawk]

I've never been able to figure out what sensitive does to Chain, even though it's allowed. I'm inclined to agree with Zieg

[flint idol]

Touch sensitive chaining is needed to get touch to target non solid blocks like air or water. Burst sensitive targets the block space instead of just the mobs in a burst

[flint maple]

It's not coded to do anything

So, what should it do in the future?

Exact match for entities and the only exposed for blocks?

[flint idol]

Exposed blocks would be handy

I don't need to swap the foundation of my building, just the floor

[flint maple]

Now back to the exposed discussion, what does it mean exposed?

[flint idol]

Outside cheese/excessive spells like the iframe skip stuff, the main things I use chaining for are mining out deposits of building materials like calcite, or for swapping materials in a build

[flint maple]

A) One side is air
B) More sides are air
C) The side hit is air (for all chained)

[flint idol]

I think thaumcraft/botania definition is any one side air means exposed

You'd get some bleed over to other caves occasionally, but it seems the easiest and simplest definition

[flint maple]

You'd have more control using the side hit thing, but I guess you wouldn't be able to strip cylindic cave for example

What does it mean is :
you cast on the floor, only the blocks with UP exposed are chained

[flint idol]

The side that's hit might get weird if you've got unusual targeting methods. Though maybe a moot point if you can't use chaining with burst in the first place

And I guess in those cases, they probably aren't using sensitive anyway

Oh. Air and water probably

Maybe air and Fluid

[flint maple]

Based on the existence of we can have chain using ANY with 1 and SIDE with 2

[flint idol]

That's fair I suppose

[fervent hawk]

I would say A, personally. I know Derringer was attempting to do that at some point at my suggestion, but I don't think it got finished

my thought was thinking about how Sculk works, sculk requires there to be at least one face exposed to convert it

and I wanted Chain to be able to mimic this so that it would be easy to terraform uneven terrain

[sullen sky]

you could make it so that it targets similar blocks (I.E dirt and grass, andesite and stone, stuff like that)

[flint maple]

Would have to be hardcoded, so hard no

Block materials are gone

And that was the most similar thing to categorizing blocks in code

[sullen sky]

uh, then make follow an allow/deny list? but it wouldn't work on mobs...

allow list as in the item

[blazing heath]

Apparently i mixed it up with burst

[solemn gust]

What are folks using for damage post harm cannon?

Esp. in the absence of chain - don't have access to chain in the pack I play

[open prawn]

I just throngle things

[blazing heath]

Throngle, awesome blossoms, wrath of god, fire gatling, frozen YogHurt

[sullen sky]

honestly, aethermancer armor is just really good for general purpose, you don't need damage if you have reactive

because, that combined with lifelink or just blinking mobs into a containment facility, you can't really die unless ur in an apotheosis server

[empty elm]

Howdy I’m new to the server and the mod and I had an Idea for a spell based on how I thought toss projectile would work. A disarm spell, a spell that would make the target drop the item in their hands. is there a glyph combo that would accomplish this? I’m only using ars nouveau and ars creo atm on 1.20.2

[queen charm]

Not in base mod or elemental

[lone gale]

i could swear there was a disarm glyph

[queen charm]

maybe in some addon

[flint maple]

swap target -> toss in Omega, but the disarm is gated by config

since you could completely empty someone's inventory with it

[empty elm]

Ty

[sullen sky]

hmm,. when i tried with ars trinkets, (and yes i changed the config) it didn't work,

though i recognize it's not the same addon

[open prawn]

What's the biggest area I can just delete from existence? Like look at a mountain and make it go away

[azure ice]

Probably burst with 8 aoe and break

Or well if you want to use explosions, then one of the explosion propagate spells

[fervent hawk]

this set my mind to thinking a bit on something maybe random, but what if we had an augment for projectiles to pass through blocks without triggering on them? To elaborate where my mind was going- I thought it would be great to have something like the Echoing Projectile from Not Enough Glyphs, which triggers periodically as it flies, and have it pass through blocks and doing or some such, so that it causes explosions several blocks deep as it passes through

[flint maple]

funfact, it doesn't trigger on blocks it hits

so pierce basically make it pass through walls without triggering on that wall block

[fervent hawk]

but I noticed the echo projectile hits blocks and disappears. Does work more than once on it?

I had to add a to my bridge building spell because the mageblocks spawning where the projectile was killed the projectile

[fervent hawk]

so does this mean that a single will cause echo to ignore walls completely? Or will it let it pass through one block?

cause my use case is making it just ignore blocks completely and not require a massive pile of augments to do that

[flint maple]

one block

for pierce

but could be missing a bit to work as intended, now that i think about it

[flint maple]

two pierce

what it should do tho is also ignore blocks it cast the spell on

but that's the missing bit

now it's as intended

[eternal zodiac]

behold: Starbuncle Enrichment

[wild ridge]

What was said spell?

[mellow gulch]

[Echoing Projectile] (with augments ofc)

[wild ridge]

Which ones?

*aguments

[wild ridge]

What texture pack are you using?

[wild ridge]

is it Ars Nouveau Refresh?

[eternal zodiac]

None

[coarse turtle]

💀

[blazing heath]

💀

[wild ridge]

Then what on earth is that spell book?

[flint maple]

the old one

Ars has at least one style change every major ver, lmao

[eternal zodiac]

That's just what a 1.18 spellbook looks like my dude

[wild ridge]

Oh

😅

[dense mountain]

just trying to keep everyone on their toes :)

[thin blaze]

can anyone help me out? im new to the mod and dont know what this message means

[queen charm]

which part is unclear

the spell does not have a form

it needs to be propagated in some way, with touch or a projectile

effect glyphs define what the spell does

it's like a sentence without nouns

[coarse turtle]

your spell only includes a function, this function requires a target

the target is specified by any of the form glyphs

for example, will target the block or entity that you are looking at, and will cast a projectile that will make the function target what it hits

[eternal zodiac]

In layman's terms, you need a purple one in front to tell it how it's gonna look when you cast it, like if you're shooting it, or just casting it on yourself

[green latch]

So i've made this monstrousity, ⛓️ prop homing
I'm a total noob to the mod, just spend a few hours here and there in atm9 for the final goal, and i've thought that the mod is very cool with this noita like spell system which i think is just goat(Had to install the toomanyglyphs and arstrinkets to our server tho)
So this combo makes our server crash if i cast it on something that has more than 100hp 100% times, it makes my fps drop to 5-10ish in singleplayer(i have a pretty decent pc), it totally breakes the sound(you can hear that in the showcase) and the projectiles that you see at the end stay lingering for like 5 minutes long(making fps drop to 5-10 again)
I don't know if anyone made this before or if it even does any good damage, but i thought it is funny enough to share

I'm not even sure if those glyphs make any sense tbh

[flint maple]

Why the part after

[green latch]

this is why i said that i don't know if it makes any sense, i saw this and thought i could change a few glyphs

[flint maple]

Anyway,the explanation should be that wall targets the cold snap icicles too, while the chain likely jump to the icicles too

Making for a lot of projectiles and lightning at once that stress the server too much

[green latch]

so what i wanted to know is that does it even do any good damage? i installed the dummy but it doesn't show any numbers

[turbid light]

Not unless you have some IFrame skipping which I highly doubt

[green latch]

so i figured out that it does not bypass iframes, and even if it could, the dmg is too low anyway, and our server which is 3 cores of 5.7 GHz
Ryzen 9 7950X3D and 14gb of ddr5 memory can't handle it at ALL, like if im alone on the server even

so this is a bad but very fun to one time use spell

i wonder if there's something like fire gatling but it could harm a mob with a bunch of armour

like i used a fire gatling and harm cannon on a piglich from ATM9, but it just doesn't do anything
But the Throngle Spell indeed did some damage, i tried it a few times and it did from 250 to 2k damage to piglich, which is a lot for a single use

[bold verge]

Air sword should do a decent chunk of damage

same for water spear if it is setup properly

[blazing heath]

Air sword, along with the entire concept of it is ASS

It is literally just damage that ignores iframes

[bold verge]

:3

[sullen sky]

i like it

but i'd like it more if it was harder to make

not micro crafting

but you'd have to beat a new boss for the materials

as op as ars trinkets is, the crafting loop is NOT fun

[fervent hawk]

tedious crafting is not the most enticing gameplay

[sullen sky]

literally

i'd rather beat a boss or make it a treasure than that

also

xacris... just to be clear

the herobrine glyph, what addon adds it?

[proud kindle]

Extended glyphs. It’s the one addon that basically no one acknowledges the existence of.

[bold verge]

^the power fantasy addon to unmake all power fantasy addons

[proud kindle]

I mean it’s not like Trinkets, Omega, and Plus aren’t OP. But for some reason they are better accepted than Extended Glyphs.

[flint maple]

I guess one is made for fun and almost private use, the others are a bit adjusted to wide usa

Conjure source quickly decay in feedback loops

Herobrine is just a crash on demand

[ionic stone]

what does extended glyphs do?

[bold verge]

adds a bunch of game breaking glyphs (create source, crash game on command, and many more ungodly things)

don't install it

[proud kindle]

It’s the only current Ars addon I opted not to include when I made Ars Eclectica.

It’s a great example of the difference between an “OP” mod (like Trinkets or Omega) that might actually have a place in a high end modpack vs a “broken” mod that really serves no viable purpose.

[flint idol]

"but conjure terrain costs more source than you get from it!"

"Projectile pierce"

Surprised Pikachu 😯

[prisma lichen]

Does the new change to the conjure water glyph make frostbite better than before?

[flint maple]

it does allow you to wet the entity feet

but if a glyph had a boost on wet entities, yes

lightning probably has

[prisma lichen]

does something like work to make the summoned water only hang around for a second? (and/or is there a better combo to not spill water everywhere)
Its been awhile since I tried playing around with conjure water

[flint maple]

no that's just water

[eternal zodiac]

What you want is

Add or to the delay as desired

[flint maple]

Not sure what spells will benefit more of placing water vs wetting the enemy

Protip, wet yourself if you have a riptide trident

[prisma lichen]

Does conjure water work in the Nether? (even temporarily)

[flint maple]

No changes to how the water from conjure water behave has been made

The changes are just for when it hit an entity it either:
targets the block at their feet and behave like that
Or
Applies a potion effect

[prisma lichen]

I have never cast a spell with conjure water in the Nether so I dunno what it did (and wanted to know if it could be used to damage nether mobs)

[flint maple]

Quick answer then

No

[eternal zodiac]

No, but does function to extinguish fire on you

[flint maple]

I forgot since I made the feature a long time ago

But wet might be a dot on enemies that take damage from water

So there's that for the nether

[prisma lichen]

It should be a DOT, but I wasn't sure (and I like trying to get a nice anti-Blaze Spell)
However I dunno if it would work on hydrophobic mobs like Endermen as well (would be nice, but kinda niche)

[flint maple]

it will trigger inwater behaviors

unsure if it can allow fish to breath

but the hydrophobic mobs will take damage from vanilla mechanics

as if it's raining or they're in water

[sullen sky]

well

[sullen sky]

the problem is

with ars additions and extended glyphs... you can USE the glyph

[prisma lichen]

What is the proper glyph combo for properly mimicking shears? (hopefully as good as the vanilla ones, because some stuff like tripwire wire seem to require them specifically)

[flint maple]

Break sensitive you mean?

[prisma lichen]

I thought it involved the cut glyph

[flint maple]

Cut for shear use

Break for breaking with shears

[prisma lichen]

Oh, so I would use cut on sheep and break sensitive on campfires?

[eternal zodiac]

Shears don't work on campfires, you need a silk touch pick for that (aka )

[prisma lichen]

I realised that now, so i should have said cobwebs

[eternal zodiac]

Then yes :)

[desert lagoon]

guys, who can help me with recreating Earlking Heathcliff 3rd skill? Oh, 1 moment, i have it in gifs

https://tenor.com/view/uncon-unconsciem-wild-hunt-wild-hunt-gif-8767866949075108529

[eternal zodiac]

I'm having difficulty interpreting what is happening here

Is a chain being thrown or are they teleporting and slashing?

[flint maple]

seems a "grab them with a chain and bring them in melee range"

[eternal zodiac]

Then I'd say is a good starting point

[desert lagoon]

He Grabbed him with Coffin(not important detail) and then slashed it back, so... i think there also needed knockback

[eternal zodiac]

Then do that lol

[desert lagoon]

Ok, next question, do we have here anything for summoning armour, swords, or something what will mimicry to Super Saiyajin forms?

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-saiyan-goku-gif-5009523

[sick oyster]

theres the wizards armarium

in some addon

armor in a bag

[sullen sky]

see? that would be so cool

even with just zombie ai, some living armor could be cool

especially if you can equip it with armor

as a familiar

[desert lagoon]

Sadly... I wanted to create E.G.O from library of Ruina

[sick oyster]

i could see something that takes your currently equipped armor and goes and attacks stuff while leaving you defenseless

i think the devs have tried to stay away from combat familiars in general

[sullen sky]

really now?

[sullen sky]

flare cannon seems awfully combat focused to me

[mellow gulch]

flare cannon is in ars elemental isnt it?

yeah

[sullen sky]

yes

ig we weren't talking about ars elemental

because if im not wrong, the are some overlapping devs within ars and elemental

[mellow gulch]

apples and oranges

[sullen sky]

well, even so, the notion of combat focused familiars is not wrong, you can't deny that the wixie familiar is combat focused

it debuffs enemies

[sick oyster]

i was gonna say in base the wixie is the closest to combat and its only really adjacent to it

[proud kindle]

I mainly use Wixie as my familiar for the duration boost on potions, not for the combat

[sullen sky]

https://tenor.com/view/aoi-todo-crying-todou-jujutsu-gif-20070466

ngl i only use the familiar for the potion buff too, but it's still a function made for combat, though i understand what you mean

[gritty cargo]

nbt

[prisma lichen]

Does AOE work on self? (as I had the idea to make a spell that would give all things nearby the effect from Light, but dunno if that would work as i want)

[flint maple]

if it did, domain, aura and burst wouldn't have a reason to exists

[prisma lichen]

So what would i go for if I want to make mobs glow through walls? (as i know that the light spell works on self and when shot at mobs but can't really hit them through walls)

[flint maple]

well, one of the above

they target entities without sensitive afterall

you can also use the ritual of detection i guess

[eternal zodiac]

True answer:

Spammed to anywhere you think mob might be

As long as the wall is less than 6 blocks thick you'll totally get em

[desert lagoon]

Guys, who can help me, i need to stop time with ars nouveau, how i can simulate that? I saw Rewind glyph but... i cant understand how it works, its just... stopping enemies, but for the time of click

[proud kindle]

Not really a way to truly stop time with AN…at least not legitimately.

[bold verge]

crash the server

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[desert lagoon]

Hmm... Okay, then how to imitate time stop? I need to stop their movement, their ability to use items, thats minimum

[bold verge]

second one is impossible i fear

[desert lagoon]

I cant, thats my server

[desert lagoon]

Shish...

Alr, then i need to fully immobilize them, even dont give a chance to escape through tp or any other way, and... Stop them from attacking me... Maybe any way to freeze their camera?

[fervent hawk]

there are the new tick commands that can alter the speed of the game and/or freeze time

but no, we don't have anything in Ars that can do what you want

[desert lagoon]

Tsch, k... then i will create illsuion of THE WORLD!

[turbid light]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/j1eOpzj4bAB4nrw5U?invite=cr-MSxqY2ssMTkyMDcxNDU0LA

My version of The Throngle

[sullen sky]

does someone

[turbid light]

?

[sullen sky]

know how poison works

like

[bold verge]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-fire-gif-18709628

[sullen sky]

does amping it make it poison 2

i can't play rn

but if anyone can test that'd be great

furthermore

the envenom glyph

i really have to ask

now that i think about it

does it stack

as in

then envenom

if you recast that spell would you get evenomed 2?

or 4

or 1?

[turbid light]

It subtracts an amount of health each half second

[turbid light]

Ye. Tried it without particles and 6GB and it still froze the game

Though it still allows me to send commands

[sullen sky]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[turbid light]

Bad wifi

I sent those 5 mins ago

[sullen sky]

lol

[turbid light]

I could test it out

Possibly today

[sullen sky]

should not be able to affect

[mellow gulch]

y not tho

[somber cobalt]

If you want that, use Omega's Dispellant glyph.

[blazing heath]

Shalz reference fr

[sick oyster]

x6

[turbid light]

Yeah. But it only allows 2 amps

[turbid light]

So...
Envenomed doesn't stack. But it "absorbs" the level of the poison.
So for each 2 amplifies on the poison {(level - 1) / 2} you get an extra level of envenom

• [envenom] -> evenom lv2
• [envenom] -> evenom lv3
• [envenom] -> evenom lv2

[flint maple]

Don't forget the amps from gear

[turbid light]

oh yeah

[flint maple]

+1-2 from focus and +0.5 from each armor piece

[turbid light]

wow

saddly envenom doesn't skip armor

and depends on poison which many bosses are immune to

[flint maple]

It the enemy is undead, the focus might allow to directly apply envenon

I added few ways to bypass poison immunity to still apply envenom but can't remember the details

[turbid light]

oh nice

[turbid light]

Lol. Minecraft effects can't count higher than 10.
[envenom][envenom]*7 + the focus

Also, the focus gives 3 amps

[flint maple]

I forgot to cap envenom amps?

[turbid light]

yep

[flint maple]

Welp, doesn't need a damage cap but should at least remain in the limits of mc with just the common setup

[turbid light]

And here I was thinking the creator was a madman

[flint maple]

If another addon or mod make it go higher no prob but with just elemental no more than 10

[turbid light]

Amps?

[turbid light]

This deals about 48 to unarmored targets

And about 12 dmg to full netherite without enchants

[flint maple]

Dot or with spores follow-up?

[turbid light]

Only envenom

[flint maple]

Spores get a damage up based on the envenom level

[turbid light]

oh

then ima test that out

[flint maple]

Was made to mirror lightning

Which applies a ramping up shocked effect and each level of shocked boost lightning

With the last lightning usually doing the most damage

[turbid light]

OH

Anyways.

Envenom stats:

geomancyBuff: 1 for 2 armor; 2 for 3 armor; 3 for 4 armor
effectLevel = (poison + 1) / 2 + + 2 * focus + geomancyBuff
// The focus adds 2 to all [envenom] -> [envenom][envenom] : envenomLvl = 3,5
Damage / frame = 1,8 + 0,2 * effectLevel
Duration = baseDuration * (1 + )
baseDuration: 5 frames w/o amplify, 10 frames w/ amplify

[turbid light]

Spores is weird.

Instantaneous:
Dmg = 8 + 3 * envenomLvl + 2,5 *

Delayed:

[turbid light]

What is wrong with spores??

.
It has 2 distinct damages.
The first is produced if the spores are in the same spell as the evenom. And that follows a clear equation
But if the envenom is cast by a different spell, then there is a seemingly random chance for the first or the second damage to appear.

The second damage type is always less than the first, but I don't get the equation that it follows. So for now I've only got this table

Hmm

I think I got it

Poison Spore stats:

instantDamage = 8 + 3 * (envenomLvl - 1) + 2,5 * + 2 * bangle + 5 * focus + 1,25 * armor
delayDamage = 6 + 2,8 * (envenomLvl - 1) + 2,5 * + 2 * bangle + 5 * focus + 1,25 * armor

delayDamage >= 8
instantDamage >= delayDamage

So...

[flint maple]

May it be the envenom damage tick that is hitting at the same time?

[turbid light]

No idea

[flint maple]

The total damage wouldn't change but the actual damage of the spore hit would be the difference

[turbid light]

Hmm

Maybe

It does fit the pattern

But it doesn't explain why the minimum is 8

[turbid light]

Because according to this theory the delayed damage should be 6

Oh

Also no

This is the difference chart

The envenom damage is {2; 2,2; 2,4; 2,6...}
But the difference scales {0; 2,2; 2,5; 2,8...}

[flint maple]

Because based on the envenom level envenom ticks more often?

[turbid light]

Nope

Envenom ticks each IFrame

5 frames if unamplified, 10 if amplified

btw

Why did you make this so difficult

This is hurting my braain

And I just figured out that each geomancer armor adds 1,25 dmg to spores, aside from the buff to envenom (1 lvl for 2 pieces, 2 for 3, 4 for a complete set)

Because I spent 15 MINUTes figguring out why my calculations didn't workkk

Aaanyways...

.
The highest damage you can get in one spell is [envenom][envenom]*6 [spores]
29 dmg without gear
58 dmg with full gear

[flint maple]

I mean, the formula is the usual
Base damage + nAmp * ampMult + flat damage buff.
With on top of that a 2 + 3 * (envenomLv-1)

If you have 4 amps from gear you start from poison 5 that cuts into envenom 2

[turbid light]

4 amps from armor?

[flint maple]

2+2

[turbid light]

oh

[flint maple]

Focus+Armor

[turbid light]

oh

So 3 + 1

3 from focus, 1 from 2 armor slots

[flint maple]

With default config a focus give 2

If it's a greater focus, or 1 if it's a lesser focus

[turbid light]

oh

weird

OH

fuck

I get it

[flint maple]

The delayed damage thing is out of the ordinary

[turbid light]

I always use [envenom][envenom]

And the focus amplifies both

Then, envenomLv = (poison + 1) / 2 +

So its (3) / 2 + 2 = 3,5 -> 3

[flint maple]

With 1 bangle it reaches 56, while previously being like 18

Since envenom gets to level 12

[turbid light]

Well, more like the complete armour, focus and bangles

[flint maple]

With armor without perks and focus

[turbid light]

Oh

Yeah

[flint maple]

You can add to it a +6 from Spell damage for instance

And another earth bangle

[turbid light]

Uff

[flint maple]

You're better off with a calc function than making the math at hand

[turbid light]

Yeah

It is very tiring

[sullen sky]

lol

this quickly became a pseudo awesome blossom spell theory

i was trying to see a way to maximize envenom potion effect

but this is interesting

[flint maple]

I mean, I asked people to try envenom and tweaked the average damage to be similar to aero max damage

Due to fire & ice having the frame skip and earth nothing on damage

[sullen sky]

Yea, nothing is bad there

The interesting part comes from armor bypassing

[turbid light]

??

Envenom doesn't bypass armor

Does spores?

[sullen sky]

Yea

[turbid light]

oh shii

[sullen sky]

At least from the testing I did

That’s why I love awesome blossoms

[turbid light]

Wait. I have a 100 armor leather cap

[sullen sky]

Because I can literally one shot anyone with the most unassuming spell ever

[turbid light]

I can test

No~

But it's weird

So...

[turbid light]

It is affected by armor. But... The damage is so high that it does 38,5 on unenchanted netherite
It does 58 on a naked

[sullen sky]

Huh?

Crazy I coulda sworn that it was wholly unaffected

Can you test if it was the armor toughness that had a factor?

[turbid light]

I tried it with the cap

It's weird, cuz it receives more damage than the netherite armor

but that's explained by the toughness and minecrafts determination to calculate a maximum armor value of 30

[sullen sky]

Probably armor toughness then

I also used https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/attributefix

[turbid light]

If minecraft would calculate my lether cap's armor value correctly, then it would only receive 11,6 dmg

[sullen sky]

To use avaritia to test

[turbid light]

?

[sullen sky]

Using this mod changes the formula

Because even though there is a cap of 30 the equation only accounts for 25

At max

[sullen sky]

Can u test if by installing attributefix anything changes?

[turbid light]

yeah sure

[turbid light]

Works perfectly 👍

[sullen sky]

As in? The same formula or does it do less or more dmg

Depending on toughness or armor

[turbid light]

Same formula

Although I did not test the armor toughness

[full scaffold]

how to automatically target creatures? spell

[eternal zodiac]

Homing

[full scaffold]

This?

[eternal zodiac]

That's sensitive

[full scaffold]

what does it look like homing? Pls screenshot 🙏🏻

[bold verge]

its a spiral

[full scaffold]

I can't find it, can you send me a screenshot?

[eternal zodiac]

Do you have ars elemental

[ruby knoll]

@full scaffold

Where can I get this glyph?

**Burst** <:burst:1262385410873491486>

Base 1.19+

**Chaining** <:chaining:1262385413826412645> **Ray** <:ray:1262385417341370439>

1.16.5-1.20.1
TooManyGlyphs
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Trail <:trail:1262385421061591080>

1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Propagators for Vanilla Forms <:p_projectile:1262385423603335289> <:p_underfoot:1262385426233036850>

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Arc <:curved_projectile:1262385428871385138> Homing <:homing_projectile:1262385436244840518>

1.16.5-1.20.1
Ars Elemental
1.20.1
NotEnoughGlyphs

Missile, Overhead, True Underfoot

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Trinkets

Greater Augments

1.16.5-1.19.2
Ars Omega
1.16.5-1.20.1
TooManyGlyphs
1.20.1
Adam's Ars Plus

Domain

1.20.1
Adam's Ars Plus

Aura

1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Trinkets

**Mark** <:mark:1262385454557171735> **Recall** <:recall:1262385457795301377> **Retaliate** <:retaliate:1262385460324335617>

1.19.2-1.20.1
Ars Additions

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @azure ice

[turbid light]

Homing

[oblique ginkgo]

oo whats the combo

[timid solar]

Is there a way using base + ars elemental to resolve a spell far above yourself in the sky? Trying to build a generic "drop projectiles from above on something" template

[blazing heath]

wait this is so, SO doable

im thinking launch a block up

With some shenanigans

[timid solar]

Something like mageblock+launch+delay?

[timid solar]

(side note, is there an efficient way to air-burst a bunch of arc projectiles or falling mageblocks?)

[flint maple]

With just elemental....maybe you can launch a block with shapers with delay and then the arc spell you want to spread

The three glyphs good for this are all in Neg (or spread across addons before 1.21)

[blazing heath]

I was thinking more like burst sensitive mageblock launch reset burst sensitive explosion dampen

But that gives no room for the rest

[turbid light]

...

[lean rivet]

On a wand I think this should work

Make a bunch of blocks, launch them where you're looking, spread them out with non-block breaking explosion, all of them cause a linger that causes proper detonations.

Rain down explosions over an area.

Will probably require some refining for specific use-cases.

[turbid light]

Ehm

Sorry to tell you

But that won't work

[lean rivet]

No?

[turbid light]

.

• and can't be together in the same spell
• without won't spawn any
• you don't need to dampen since "falling blocks" can't be killed

[lean rivet]

Fair enough! And don't be sorry for it, good info. 🙂

Just threw it together in a spur, so not attached to it 🙂

[turbid light]

Also... this should spawn explosions on the point of activation and where the blocks land

Oh

[lean rivet]

Oh? I thought that with the the detonation would happen to the blocks? Updated btw

[turbid light]

And one last thing. without will, again, not trigger

[turbid light]

The detonation would happen in the and on the blocks

But this seems much better

Still...

[lean rivet]

Oh, no, I was aware of that part. That part is irrelevant, it's a non-amplified explosion.

It'll do negligible damage to a player

[turbid light]

Blocks tend to not explode when they contact the ground

[lean rivet]

Don't need to, just need to detonate at some point.

[turbid light]

Atleast that's what I remember

[turbid light]

True, but they could only explode in the air, where they'll do less damage

[lean rivet]

Oh, you mean they won't detonate once landed?

That's odd, I made a railgun which worked just fine.

[turbid light]

'xactly

Yeah?

[lean rivet]

Yeah.

I've got the craters and everything.

[turbid light]

I remember having tested that some months ago

lol

[lean rivet]

Hm. Maybe it was an issue that got fixed?

[turbid light]

then I might be wrong

possibly

anyways

I gotta sleep

[lean rivet]

Sleep well, and dream of lots of blocks!

[turbid light]

It's 4 in the morning

[timid solar]

so the pattern I've settled on (using enchanter's wand and shaping focus) is :propagate_arc: then 3 more glyphs for a payload

I tried and my game crashed :D

[turbid light]

Lol

Wait

What exactly does do?

Just increase the spread?
Or does it conjure more flames?

[timid solar]

tbh I was hoping it would flare more mobs

but I didn't get to find out lol

[flint maple]

At least old flare was for the range of the AOE damage

Might have been changed to spawn more flames

New augments description should tell you

[robust rose]

Anyone know what happens if you combine and

[fervent hawk]

that allows it to target item entities

[robust rose]

Does it make do damage to players

[robust rose]

I see

[fervent hawk]

otherwise it only targets blocks

[robust rose]

Idk why Aoe is there tho

Would this do big damage

[fervent hawk]

Crush doesn't generally do much damage tbh

[robust rose]

Oh

what would be a better spell to apply on a weapon?

[fervent hawk]

what version are you on? Normally I'm a fan of doing something simple like

knock them away, snare them in place, then damage them twice more

but lately I've been using the new bubble glyph with wind shear

[robust rose]

1.19.2 with

• Ars Noveau
• Ars Additions
• Ars Elemental
• Ars Scalaes
• Ars Armiger

There might be more in the modpack I just couldn't find

All latest version

[robust rose]

Also noted, will try

[fervent hawk]

leave off the last when you put it on your sword

because the sword will add it back for you

oh wait, you're not using the Enchanter's Sword

[robust rose]

Nope

Tetra sword go brr

[plush radish]

What's the most powerful spell combo in a maxed out archmage book to be made?

[somber cobalt]

Quote from Graph Man:

For recent versions the most optimal spell would be
🌀 with
Which creates 18144 projectiles and 16.0k block damage

[plush radish]

Does that work with base ars?

[bold verge]

nope

[turbid light]

Also, that completely lacks context

If you wanted to destroy blocks something similar but with [prop.arc] instead of [prop.homing] would be best

.
If you want pure damage, then this spell does almost none compared to Lava's gattlings

.
This spell was specifically designed to minmax the designs of other people

[gritty cargo]

no it does a lot if you tweak a bit of the glyphs

[gritty cargo]

Like I think more than harm cannon

[turbid light]

I see no IFrame skip

Still, you could change some glyphs and get a harm cannon with more projectiles, but that amount of change would make it a whole other spell

[gritty cargo]

It’s just a few glyphs changes

I’ll make a thread later ig

[sullen sky]

so like, #1141341426223960064

or

#1224738794721509428

pick ur

flavor

if ur playing base

[noble remnant]

What's a good mining spell?

@here

[azure ice]

Have you tried searching "Mining" in the forum?
https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1064191444262338571

[icy bolt]

Was looking at a few things, and got a neat idea. I haven't had a chance to put it together, but in theory I could use an enchanter's eye to make a temporary 'hub' room(?)

Make a spell that blinks me into the room from wherever, and then a rewind to pull me back out after an alloted amount of time?
Unless there's a better way to "return" from that blink

ah wait no I'm foolish
I can't target both the room i teleport to, and also myself for the rewind

[prisma oyster]

what does amplify do to magelight? i've tried with and without and i cant see a difference

[proud kindle]

Increases light level to maximum.

[prisma oyster]

ah oki ty

[dreamy bear]

I saw a youtube video of an impressive spell that failed to actually disclose it, but it suggested going to the discord to find more. Is the link to ars.guide a pretty good and current place to go for good offensive spells for 1.21 with ars elemental, or would I be asking in here for better practices?

[proud kindle]

By default, some of the big damage spells will no longer work in 1.21.1 due to changes in how iframe skipping is implemented. That’s not to say you can’t get DECENT damage, but no more oneshotting God with the default configs.

[dreamy bear]

I see, what should I know then? Because I was taught the simple 'harm, amplify twice, delay, harm, amplify twice' and I thought that was good. At least before I saw what people were doing.

(Also this is in all the mods 10 so I'm pretty sure I'll be fighting some gods at some point or another)

ideally without also catching me in the crossfire...

[dreamy bear]

What options do I have for avoiding AOE/friendly fire yet putting a lot of hurt on one baddie?

[proud kindle]

is likely going to be your best bet for avoiding collateral damage

[queen charm]

that is the equivalent of ars' iron sword

if you're using any mage armor with magic threads, elemental foci or ars tools the answer gets more complicated

but in ATM10 you're going to want better than amped harm

[flint idol]

That's said harm delay harm delay harm delay harm does get quite a bit from a spell power thread

[flint maple]

Harm is bread and butter because it doesn't rely on status effects to damage

Delay->Glyph->Delay is the general basis to deal more damage waiting for iframes to be over

Doesn't need to be just harm

[dreamy bear]

I just feel kind of bad, I'm not sure what I should be bringing with my friends going after bosses in ATM10.

[flint maple]

only thing i can suggest against friendly fire with the AoE spells is to place a filter before the aoe damage, Elemental forces the glyph to check if there is a filter there and respect it

[dreamy bear]

That's a good idea

[flint maple]

the other option would be use vanilla teams, as the isAllied check would avoid friendly fire

modded teams do not hook into the isAllied method sadly

[turbid light]

The Magician's Railgun, created by Gweaven (https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1141341426223960064) it uses the shaper's focus to launch blocks at your enemies, dealing massive ammounts of damage

My prefered version is *3 , dealing 25 dmg
But the damage scales with block hardness, so launching obsidian (replacing with ) deals 75 ish dmg

.
It has the potential of damaging your allies, but that is only if you aim at them

[dreamy bear]

So that's (3 times)? I'll definitely give it a look, thank you

[turbid light]

Yeah. Just need some obsidian in your hotbar

Also requires you have the equipped

will place any block in your hotbar, from left to right
So I suggest you put your obsidian in the first slot

[dreamy bear]

Very nice

[dreamy bear]

I've got a question that's one part spellcrafting and one part not, so if some of this is better for #general-and-help please let me know.

I've been experimenting with lightning spells as a general mob clearing option and I see two issues so far- Even with a full suit of aethermancer gear, the AOE from the lightning strikes is very dangerous stuff. Is there anything else that can specifically give resistance to the damage caused by lightning strikes? Is it counted as magic damage, explosive, fire, etc?

And the second part:

With a thread of shocking 3 and an amplified spark spell, the enemy gets a 15 second shocked V debuff which means that they take more damage from lightning. They also get a 5 second or so charged II debuff which applies a lightning strike when it ticks down. Cool!

but with the focus of air equipped, they get no shocking debuff from the same spell. but a 15 second static Charged VII debuff which brings a lightning strike much later, I assume for more damage.

Is that intentional, am I losing out on some damage by not having shocked + static charged together?

[flint maple]

Static charge is also to trigger and empower Discharge

[dreamy bear]

I see! So the play isn't to neccesarily stack lightning strikes on the mob, (Not entirely sure why shocked goes away, but if it's intentional that's good!)

But the point is to give them an even stronger static charge and then hit them with an immediate (Or delayed) discharge?

[flint maple]

Spark changes to apply the charge with the focus

Discharge consumes the charge and applies shocked

If you slot a Static III then you can skip spark entirely for discharge in theory

[dreamy bear]

Part of the reason I'd gone for spark initially was to have a lightning/air option for damage that wouldn't literally explode in my face.

That said, I understand the mechanics a lot better now! I just need to figure out a way to better take my own lightning

For the bigger spells, that is.

I just did a test with discharge and the focus, and it works fantastic

[somber cobalt]

This is the premise behind Lava’s Bane. Using the most efficient yet odd applicator of Static Charged.

[arctic trellis]

hey im tryna make a spell with ars elemental that creates a pool of water and drowns them with watery grave but im struggling. Currently it creates the pool of water but doesnt drown the mob. Here is what I have so far.

[flint idol]

Hmmm. I think the problem is that it's burst sensitive (so it'll create the pool) but then watery grave tries to apply to the blocks, which doesn't do anything

One option is and then another burst without the sensitive

🪦

[turbid light]

Since they have Elemental, they could just use 🏹🪦

Put it after and save a good amount of mana

[flint maple]

Didn't I made conjure water place water around the target with an augment few months ago?

As PR to Ars as part of the soggy bubble update

[turbid light]

I don't know

I remember hearing something about it

[flint maple]

The augment description will tell you, it's a 1.21 feature

[turbid light]

Oh

I just noticed

[turbid light]

If this works

I'll be able to do [augment]

Icicle propagation on icicle propagation

[arctic trellis]

thanks, Ill try it in a moment tonight!

[arctic trellis]

I tried this and it jus created the pool and the mob floated to the top

[flint maple]

Don't forget extend time on watery grave

[clever sierra]

any way to make fire gattling target players while also keeping its damage

[gritty cargo]

add sensitive after prop_homing

you have to find some glyph to remove

[clever sierra]

ah shi, which one could i remove

[proud kindle]

I would probably use a kindling thread and drop the

[blazing heath]

Thats actually rlly smart

[clever sierra]

genius. thank you

[ancient pond]

Got a question, how do I make a projective split after a bounce

[turbid light]

A bounce?

[carmine pond]

Like bounce or like 🏹 bounce(+ some knock back) bounce?

[ancient pond]

Like I want it to bounce once and then split into two homing if that’s possible

[carmine pond]

If you have propagate homing, you can do like :propagate overhead: :propagate homing:

But I mean just cast :homing projectile: by itself

If it’s to hit players, I think you would need sensitive on the homing.

Propagate overhead can also be :above: depending on your Addons/version

To improve consistency, add amplify to the prop overhear(no needed with above)

[ancient pond]

Okay thank youu

[long sorrel]

ok so i had an idea for a spell, awhile back i remember seeing an episode of naruto. some sword, ninja guy used a water prison. i'm thinking a conjure water, burst, aoe 2-3, snare (amplify?) would that be close you think?

[lean rivet]

No, that order and setup would have issues.

And amplify would do nothing.

That should make a large blob of water, as well as snare everyone inside of it so they can't leave.

[long sorrel]

would it hold long enough to start drowning or easy enough to escape?

🤔 follow up could one make a drowned?

[lean rivet]

Probably wouldn't, no, to make it last long enough to cause drowning you'd need to be creative I think.

This would last longer, still not enough to cause drowning I don't think.

[long sorrel]

🤔 if I can get them close it'll still be a fun one 😅

[lean rivet]

Oh they'll take some damage from it.

[long sorrel]

That's perfect than 🥰

[lean rivet]

Another option,

Then have obsidian in your toolbar.

[long sorrel]

So does burst apply to the next glyph, or the rest of the glyphs?

[lean rivet]

Puts them in an obsidian prison, then fills (and covers) it with water.

The rest of them.

[long sorrel]

Nah I'm not looking to kill, more trigger old sonic wounds 😈

😇*

[lean rivet]

Fair enough!

[long sorrel]

So I've been trying to collect the glyphs to test it but, would doing something similar but mixing in a wall, and harm glyphs, and maybe some accelerates instead of the water.... make the just get attacked from a sphere of sources?

🤔 maybe

[lean rivet]

Do you mean you want to send a bajillion needles after them?

[long sorrel]

From all sides🤔

[queen charm]

cant combo burst and wall

[lean rivet]

No, if you want to launch projectiles you'd need propagation.

[long sorrel]

🥲

[queen charm]

its for the best. things would get out of hand fast

[long sorrel]

Yea

Your not wrong

You wanna talk about out of hand... the amethyst golem needs to calm down 😳

[long sorrel]

Set him up with 2 budding amethyst, and 2 budding certus quartz.... and a diamond sophisticated barrel, with diamond stack upgrade... came home to 9k crystals, played for a while went to bed, next day I'm at 24k...

I traded 6 shulker boxes full for 2 dirt... just to make some room😅

[queen charm]

could just dispel the golem

though, amethyst golems don't harvest certus quartz, do they?

and at the point where you have spatial storage you're probably better off with a traditional flawless budding crystal block setup

[long sorrel]

I'm not sure when I'll get there, I know I wanna use ae2 eventually... but the storage lectern is so adorable... if only u could use them together🤔

[queen charm]

you can

[long sorrel]

I'm gonna head back to general discussion lest I clog the spell discussion with my ramblings... untill next time ladies and gents

[queen charm]

lecterns can interface with any storage system iirc

[long sorrel]

😳 like the ae2 drives? Cause that feels deviously fun... and perfect for my artificer build I've become

[queen charm]

I thiiiink? i'd ask jarva tbh

[long sorrel]

for just a low cost harm spell would something like work?

[queen charm]

why heal?

[long sorrel]

iframes? it looked like it worked on my training dummy

i could be wrong it was pretty late when i was experimenting

i've noticed that if i fire projectiles too fast some don't deal damage, same with ray, its not constant "enough" for me 😅

ok nvm i was just delusional

with delay ionly works with the next glyph in the sequance, and not the next sequance to apply... so i'm not sure which glyph to use to end the spell so the next instance can apply more often

[queen charm]

what version are you on?

yeah

[queen charm]

if you're on 1.21+ the iframe bypass doesn't work

[long sorrel]

atm10 2.23

[queen charm]

yeah no

[long sorrel]

aw darn, any tips then?

[queen charm]

https://canary.discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1328248180906790994

this is what i've been using for atm10

i'm only on second apoth ascension tier though

[long sorrel]

i though that might be more cost effective than 1 big attack

i am switching to a water focus

does that make a difference haven't done much with apoth yet

[queen charm]

with a spell binder you can use a book thread to mimic foci :)

[long sorrel]

so with the binder do i just craft a parchment, apply spell, and use it in the binder

[queen charm]

yarp

swap parchments (and caster tomes) on the fly

[long sorrel]

😳 d...do foci stack?

[queen charm]

no.

they don't really have any effects that would stack anyway other than the damage bonuses

[long sorrel]

do they mix? like can i have the water foci, and the block shaping thread?

[queen charm]

but those are the most boring part of them anyway

[queen charm]

yup!

[long sorrel]

more understanding scope than anything

[queen charm]

then you throw armor threads into the mix and you got a stew going

[long sorrel]

i'm like rikku from FFX i'll mix anything... once 😅 just to test the effects

[queen charm]

i can respect that

[long sorrel]

i've already found a relic set that lets me jump at near lightspeed

[queen charm]

i mean yeah it's atm10

i'm not super surprised

the dimensional tearer?

or whatever its called

fuckin love that thing

[long sorrel]

its what i love... i recently added leap into the mix(LS jumping) and if i get the timing right i end up inside a mountain

not familiar

my server loves me cause of the daytime ritual... wish i could automate it

is there a way to have decoys fire a projectile? like would propagate work?

oh if i added watery grave to that water prison spell from earlier, think i't det them closer to death?

[queen charm]

focus of necromancy

for homing projectiles

[long sorrel]

not the summoning focus?

[queen charm]

summoner's focus for spells that start with self and continue with a propagate-projectile

[long sorrel]

so i would get my decoys out, then cast the spell i want the to cast after right?

[queen charm]

wonder actually if a /projectile spell would behave like I think it would using multiple decoys... hm

[queen charm]

yup

[long sorrel]

so if i understand correctly, I'm currently using
prop arc to create clones
using the necromancy/summoning foci/thread... could i use something like
prop homing

[queen charm]

seems right to me

[long sorrel]

would i get all the blocks... or would the fall to the clones feets?

well prop homing feel... out of place but prop projectile would probably be fine i spose

am i wrong for wanting to mix that with icy grave 😅

😳 wait do the clones act as if they have the threads/foci i have?

[queen charm]

if you're using item pickup it would return to you, I'd think