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[narrow mortar]

looks better at night

[vital night]

Whilst I personally recommend just finding them though as its a much better experience, I actually have found the code that shows all the caster tomes before and I can link it if you want to see what they all are.

[flint idol]

At least in regular world gen

[fervent hawk]

always excited when I find temporary tunnel

[narrow mortar]

temp tunnel? what, intangible through a wall?

[fervent hawk]

mhm

[flint idol]

Temp tunnel, refresh rune, and the one with glide

[fervent hawk]

caster tomes let you cast the spell for half cost

[narrow mortar]

I tried to make a spell that was a sort of trap for other players, that and break

[fervent hawk]

so they are a genuine boon to find a good one, because you can cast it more freely

[narrow mortar]

on the idea that if you are being followed, you break through a wall for a bit, then switch to intangible without the pursuer noticing

but it got a bit complicated

[vital night]

I once made used a warp scroll to send people to a mostly effective death chamber once lol

mostly seeing as any experienced wizard could easily escape

[narrow mortar]

for the most part, I play alone

[fervent hawk]

I have encouraged many people to build a room out of portals to trap people

[narrow mortar]

I do have my own server, but I'm using SP worlds right now, cuz screw setting that up

also, it's a 6GB plan, and it absolutely borked after 5 days of Better Minecraft, no chance it'd handle ATM8 properly

[vital night]

ATM8 does have a public server

[narrow mortar]

lol, public

the point is, I'm paying $36 a month for a server, may as well use it

[vital night]

ah

[narrow mortar]

especially since I'm unemployed

[vital night]

granted TPS is worse than America's percentage of idiots but thats fine

[narrow mortar]

TPS?

[vital night]

ticks per second

[narrow mortar]

.......I see

[vital night]

its like FPS but server wide and doesnt affect your actual FPS

[narrow mortar]

😅

I've had a tick error before

those are fun

it was weird, cuz the way to fix it is to kill the entity with the tick error, but the tick error was on 'player' and I was the only player

[flint idol]

Minecraft runs at 20 ticks per second. Meaning the game loop processes things that fast ideally. Lower tps is when the game can't keep up

[narrow mortar]

but I couldn't log in to fix it, cuz it was on me

[vital night]

oh that sucks

[narrow mortar]

weirdly, it did auto-fix itself

I did something, but I can't remember

it was on my server, so I may have done a self-kill in the console commands of the server website

[vital night]

I think I have had a world where that happened one, it did not fix for me but I just changed modpacks anyway

[flint idol]

You'd be surprised how often /kill on login fixes problems

[narrow mortar]

I didn't wanna killall because it was a minecolonies world, and all my settlers would have died

so any other tips for forms that don't cast the way you'd think?

[fervent hawk]

cast at the air

[narrow mortar]

make walls?

[fervent hawk]

mhm

[vital night]

Funny thing really, the change from terrible to half decent to actually pretty good when idiots arent asking for mods that dont fit is quite noticeable in the modpacks I make. There is also a noticeable size difference.

[narrow mortar]

so basically, touch air, cuz delicate, then aoe spreads it out

[fervent hawk]

mhm

[narrow mortar]

weird that it should take 2 aoe's to make a 3 x 3

0 AOEs you'd think is one block

then 1 AOE would be 3x3

[fervent hawk]

aoe expands the sides

it's 1x1 normally

each AOE adds 1 to each side

[narrow mortar]

oh wait, 2x2 is a thing, so it doesn't add a block to all sides evenly?

[vital night]

nope

[flint idol]

AOE expands the diameter

[narrow mortar]

if it added 1 to each side from 1 it would be 3x3 wouldn't it?

[flint idol]

Diameter, not radius

[narrow mortar]

1 > 2 > 3 so one more AOE is 4x4?

-test-

[fervent hawk]

1 aoe makes a 2x2, 2 aoe makes a 3x3, 3 aoe makes a 4x4, etc

[narrow mortar]

yes, 4x4

[fervent hawk]

but with Lingering, AOE expands the radius

[flint idol]

Because why not

[vital night]

and that is why I suggested another AOE on the hut spell you had, because a 4x4 square with no center with a player in the supposed middle looks really ugly

[narrow mortar]

I noticed that, I've been putting the AOE on lingering and not on the spell it applies because I thought that was a waste of slots

[narrow mortar]

fair enough, I was using the last two slots for propagate arc and magelight though

mind you, mine was stone, not mageblocks

[vital night]

its entirely personal prefence on the any size past 4x4 as nothing more is needed to protect you anyway

I just happen to have a slightly less complex hut spell

[narrow mortar]

is there a way to recast spells on yourself or on the form repeatedly other than wall or linger?

like, follow you while you run

I've had that work kinda for fangs, but that's it

still trying to make some hay with this 'freeze underfoot' spell

[vital night]

uh self -> thingy -> delay -> thingy again is the best I can think of

[narrow mortar]

and I don't really know why, it's literally a vanilla enchantment

ah I see

maybe I should just let it go, it's literally included

[vital night]

a second way more complex option is using reactive for a spell on left click iirc for the spellbook and an autoclicker to automatically click to activate it

and you can simple modify the speed of the autoclicker to change the rate of activation

[narrow mortar]

aaah, reactive, that's a thing I haven't done yet

side note, I cast magic eye on a donkey and now I can see magical mobs through walls

I don't have any buffs on me though

🤷🏻‍♂️

surely it should be cast on me to do that yeah?

so reactive items..........do they keep the enchantment effect when you put them down?

I made a boat reactive and it just looks like a boat in the water now

back to the drawing board

what do reactive levels do?

oh it's a chance thing

[vital night]

So I didn't mean to completely leave you on your own there, sorry. Luckily you know how to get information, unlike some people I play with (Who I really feel like muting 90% of the time) lol. But yeah uh reactive doesn't really work well on blocks and things you place down like boats last I checked as you observed. I don't know how much you know about them but items and armor with reactive activate differently with items being either right click or left click (I don't even fully remember but I think its left click) and armor being whenever you get damaged.

its entirely plausible you already figured out that fourth sentence but its still good to include

[narrow mortar]

yeah, I was trying to find a way to do an instant boat+ice corridor

but that's sorta............dead now

you can't swing while boating

it's left click with a sword yeah

now I have a sword with freeze underfoot on it, kinda useless

[vital night]

if you have the poison effect you can use reactive armor for automatic casting

[narrow mortar]

self poison?

interesting

was kinda loving the idea of a boat's speed, but that's an idea too

problem with a boat, is you can't launch it while in the water

you just create ice around you

[vital night]

and there is also something else you do to keep the poison up, one piece with reactive has the ice spell whilst another piece has self -> poison -> heal

should negate any damage from poison whilst also activating the ice spell pretty regularly

[narrow mortar]

........that's a lot of steps to make them tier 4 or whatever

I might have to give that a go though, though maybe not tonight, it's almost 1:30 am and I need dinner

but that opens plenty of self-recasting spells to me

thanks for that

[vital night]

im sorry dinner at 1:30?

dont you mean breakfast

[narrow mortar]

I take ADD medicine, side-effect, appetite suppression

[vital night]

ah

[narrow mortar]

luckily, also insomnia

so it works out

[vital night]

I mean I should really be sleeping myself as it appears we are in the same zone lol

[narrow mortar]

lol, Virginia here

[vital night]

Im in CT

[narrow mortar]

more northerly

I'm dying for spring weather

[vital night]

I'm not even gonna go against being awake at this time, I have no grounds to speak there

[narrow mortar]

lol

wake past noon, sleep past midnight, same every day

oh well, least I can run across water with this sword now

gonna be real annoying when I forget about it and try to use it again

[vital night]

Lol that reminds me of the sleep schedule I had not long after the start of quarantine for Covid back in 2020

by the end of the school year I was routinely staying up to mid morning

[narrow mortar]

oh it's 4am minimum to me

I didn't think I'd deteriorate so quickly, I used to get to work by 7:30 easily

....or go in at 3pm and leave at 4am, also a problem

actually, that's pretty close to now

[vital night]

the best part of that schedule for me though, was a very long uninterrupted Minecraft gaming time

[narrow mortar]

see, I'd love that, but since I'm going the YouTube route, now Minecraft is a job

😓

oops

[vital night]

whats that my friends wanna speedrun on a server, jokes on them everytime they see me im in an entirely different part of the game

They sleep I kill the dragon

ah I wish but that requires friends which I have a severely low quantity of

[narrow mortar]

lol, I was like that with a friend on an mmo, we'd log in after school and play together, till we graduated, then it became, I wait for him, he finds another friend that plays and powerlevels instead

what requires friends?

Minecraft? no

[vital night]

playing with friends requires friends

[narrow mortar]

it was one friend

and once school is out, that becomes......difficult

[vital night]

I mean for my statement

[narrow mortar]

I see

I find that once you are no longer classmates, the shared interests and times to play quickly go south

he buys games that he never plays, also got married

[vital night]

well if im being honest I also have quite a few games I never play myself

[narrow mortar]

yeah, same, my interest is much narrower now, it's a shame

anyway, this is spell crafting channel

since I'm here, lemme ask before I go eat

What is Arcane Isles?

[vital night]

A skyblock ars based modpack

[narrow mortar]

I thought as much

I may have gotten my fill of skyblock back when I had a Skyfactory world though

also stoneblock 2

I've been leaning toward exploring lately

[vital night]

I basically abandoned the AC games I own on pc, I didnt have a choice for abandoning AC Odyssey on PS4, and there are simply games that I thought would be better than they really are

Speaking of spells time for my classic old trick of random spell
Self -> Invisible -> Propagate Arc -> Conjure Decoy

[narrow mortar]

good one

yeah, I dropped AC at Origins

wanted to play Odyssey, but also wanted to do them in order, and hated the mmo approach to combat they've gone with

what was wrong with one-button sneak attack kills? it's literally an assassin game

[vital night]

uh I love to be this guy but what exactly do you think mmo means...

cause uh massively multiplayer online doesnt exactly describe recent AC games lol

[narrow mortar]

well you know, the mmo habit of damage-sponge enemies, grinding for gear, etc

[vital night]

ok yeah your right

you have seemingly easily beaten my already weak point

[narrow mortar]

it's not massively multiplayer, sure, but when's the last time an mmo has let you one-hit-kill an enemy?

[vital night]

good question, I dont really play mmos though so I dont have experience there

[narrow mortar]

they are literally a style of game based on wasting your time until the next subscriber cycle

I've played a lot of mmos, best atm is FFXIV, wish I could still afford the sub, the story is better than most single player games now

better than any SP Final Fantasy game for sure

[vital night]

the one MMO that I own, actually isnt subscription based last I checked lol. So they dont exactly need to waste time like that

[narrow mortar]

they don't need to, but they still do

[vital night]

yeah

[narrow mortar]

out of some sort of tradition they've forgotten to update

[vital night]

classic mmo format after all

[narrow mortar]

I've played everything from FFXI, Guildwars 1 and 2, tried to play Wow (it sucked), ESO, and every free thing to come out during the mmo golden age

Archeage, Archlord, Perfect world, scarlet blade, Blade and Soul, Runescape, Memento Mori, RF Online, Cabal, Black Desert, etc

it was kinda nice always having a 'new mmo' to try out

mind you most of them were crap

[vital night]

well that sounds both expensive and fun, when you ignore the bad parts

touch -> swap target -> craft

[narrow mortar]

I mean, again, during the golden age they were almost all free, and lootboxes and P2W stores weren't ubiquitous yet

[vital night]

oh god loot boxes, the bane of my existence

crates/lootboxes have been the reason I haven't even pressed join on certain MC servers because when those are there its guaranteed to secretly be pay to win, if not openly

[narrow mortar]

from what I remember, Black Desert was the worst at that, they have very attractive characters, but then give you the ugliest color-swap armors to wear, only putting any good shit in the cash store, and they aren't cheap, $60+ maybe $120 for one outfit last I looked?

lootboxes in MC? wut?

[vital night]

hence the crates/ before it

I think creates and lootboxes are similar

[narrow mortar]

ah yeah, and Vindictus, free cute armors, but you have this bandage-looking underarmor that clips through it unless you pay money, they are big offenders too

I mean, lootboxes are just gambling

luckily, they've never hooked me cuz it's always western games that I see use it

and I couldn't give a shit

[vital night]

one server I looked at flat out offered ranks with kits that included diamond armor, and they had the GAUL to tell me it wasnt pay to win

[narrow mortar]

diamond armor is def P2W, was pvp on?

[vital night]

I think there might have been PVP zones

it was a modded server with mods that did offer better armor than diamond yes but that doesnt mean diamond was useless

[narrow mortar]

seems like it was the bare-minimum

[vital night]

the only server with crates I have played on that I didnt just leave instantly was a vanilla server but bukkit or whatever and it had plugins. And that was because the server population was so small and only a couple people were annoying that it didnt really matter much

[narrow mortar]

lol, bad business plan then

[vital night]

I have talked to the owner of the server before, I didnt get the impression it was for money to be honest

[narrow mortar]

a server isn't that expensive, just invite people you like

I mean, if it was enough to recoup costs of the server, that's good enough

[vital night]

uh Projectile -> Linger -> Extend Time -> Break

lol im just trying to keep a spell within sight at all times

[narrow mortar]

lol, I've got many of those

gotcha

I've closed the game by now

and cooked pizza and put the dog outside

now bout to try some Stable Diffusion AI art generation and try not to make any monstrosities

[narrow mortar]

Update, I did get it working, needed to use water armor to be able to afford the mana cost. The elemental armor discount is no joke

however, the flinching caused by the poison does sort of slow down traversal, so it's not very cool

[narrow mortar]

right, so Ars Elemental filters, where in the spell do they go?

trying to summon skeletons and have them cast homing spells, but they keep hitting each other

do I put the filter after the method? or after the effect? or anywhere?

seems after the method works so far, may have answered my own question

[sinful quiver]

they stop everything after them from running so usually after the method yea

unless you want half the spell to ignore the filter

[narrow mortar]

I used the undead filter, didn't seem to work for my summoned skellys

[sinful quiver]

That makes them hit only undead, no?

It would make them more likely to target each other lol

[narrow mortar]

With my skeletons out of the equation, it did seem to work, homing would hit a husk and do nothing

[sinful quiver]

huh

[sudden belfry]

is there a way to damage more through armored enemies using spells ?

[dapper night]

Doesnt ignore armor?

[narrow mortar]

that's actually a great idea, why shouldn't pierce put on a damaging spell penetrate armor?

[fervent hawk]

because then that changes the meta so that every single damage spell needs to be built with a pierce, and I don't think that many things should be able to pierce armor tbh

[narrow mortar]

hmmm

fair enough

though it is literally what I thought it was gonna be for when I heard the glyph 'pierce'

[sinful quiver]

Yea no that would be OP lol

Bad idea just use fangs

[fervent hawk]

it's fine on fangs because that can be a bit of a bitch to aim and hit with

[narrow mortar]

oh that's weird, I happen to have a fangs spell

is it?

tbh, I didn't know it did that

[worldly jay]

yo what spell stuff can i put to make ice spells

[narrow mortar]

Spell stuff? what, equipment?

[sudden belfry]

quick question, is there a way to set myself on eternal fire ?

like the burning effect itself I want it to be on me 24\7, does anyone know a way to do that in ars noevaeu or atm8 ?

[fervent hawk]

I can think of a way to do it in AN, but it requires you to take damage from the fire- having a piece of armor enchanted with Reactive, with the spell being

every time the fire damages you, it would have a chance to set you on fire again

[sudden belfry]

ok I will try this enchantment

[flint idol]

w1nd was burnt to a crisp

[flint maple]

One might ask why the wind wants to be always on fire

I will only warn that the pyro set bonus will set off the fire on the first damage tick

[fervent hawk]

engineers don't ask why, we provide solutions. I spent so long asking if you could, I didn't ask if you should

[vital night]

That… I relate to that

Though I have been asking if I should more, at least recently

Granted I don’t have any ideas

I got spells for destruction, spells for speed, but strength hasn’t been enhanceable with spells since 1.16.5

[fervent hawk]

teleport to your bed and go to sleep

[dapper night]

Projectile blink?

[fervent hawk]

Through one of the scry crystals so it hits my bed

[dapper night]

Oooooh

[narrow mortar]

lol, can I have this irl?

if I could teleport to my bed from anywhere......

👍🏻

[dapper oak]

So, I'm running some tests with Poison Spores, trying to make a mob grinder out of it... and things just randomly stop taking damage at all. I feel there's something about this spell I'm not understanding

Like, I just tried this manually and it worked great

I have an earth focus equipped

Same spell on a earth turret? mobs don't always take damage

looking at a pillager right in the middle of that lingering area and it has no hunger

not taking damage

like these dudes here

[fervent hawk]

I have noticed this issue with runes sometimes too, sometime they just stop working inside a mob farm

[dapper oak]

well, I had a raid spawn as a result of my testing and even some of those mobs I couldn't hit with that spell manually

was weird

[fervent hawk]

Hm, so the expected behavior would be that it poisons them due to the earth focus, then damages them with poison spores because of the poison

[dapper oak]

and it does, most of the time

[fervent hawk]

So it seems like the poison trigger stopped working?

[dapper oak]

kinda seems like it yeah

[flint maple]

The earth focus don't apply poison anymore, since the poison thread exists

I think, I have to double check

It totally worked that way in 1.18

[dapper oak]

wording on it suggests it just allows it to work on undead

[fervent hawk]

I think that is referring specifically to grow. It used to apply hunger to undead

[flint maple]

I shifted all to the thread forgetting about turrets

I'll have to add a special case for turrets or a way to give hunger

[dapper oak]

it definitely works on undead from a turret though

or from me, for that matter. I don't have ars armor on, just the focus

https://streamable.com/rk5n8r

you can see how funky it's being here though. they spawn and nothing happens for quite a while

then it stops

and then it starts again

They're getting Hunger though

[flint maple]

Oh, the code is still there

Found it

There's probably a bug with the canDamage

[junior sparrow]

ez

[deft badger]

the power of controversy

[tawny grove]

Lol

[vital night]

powerful enough that we are over 1500 now

[deft badger]

unround

[deft badger]

E

[merry socket]

Is there a spell to use a warp scroll onmyself so i only need 1 scroll

also is there a decently strong AOE spell

[junior sparrow]

check the i did a funny thread

the previous thread relating to the spell got shut down cuz dumb bs

[merry socket]

im trying not to destroy blocks

im just trying to kill lotta slimes

[flint maple]

A simple ?

[merry socket]

i feel like when the slimes are small the cold snap isnt hitting

[timid stratus]

Is there a way to make an explosion spell that does not break blocks?

[flint maple]

[hallow heart]

need the strongest spell in base ars nouveau

[flint idol]

[vocal cedar]

Probably not the strongest but this is really fun to do

Put a warp scroll that leads to a death trap 10k away from spawn and put it in your offhand and just banish people to the shadow realm with blink

[hallow heart]

hahaha lol

[hallow heart]

wait so proj>blink and off hand i should hold a

warp scroll to the void?

[vocal cedar]

Yeah

[hallow heart]

OMG

[vocal cedar]

Its broken

[hallow heart]

were is my cow

oh no

ok

its op

[vocal cedar]

I made one that throws people to the bottom of the world 100k blocks from civilization

[hallow heart]

LOL

oii

an i self

self>blink

and to a location?

[vocal cedar]

No use projectile

[hallow heart]

ik

but if i wanna tp somwhere

[vocal cedar]

Then yeah i think that works

Havent tested it too much

[hallow heart]

thats op

Thanks bro

🙂

[lusty walrus]

, with the warp scroll in your inventory.
Try it.

Or you can use the same way, but it'll place the rune in the air in front of you. A good way to "vanish" a melee attacker, or you can use it while running and you'll be the one the rune triggers on, sending you safely away.
Probably my personal favorite Ars transportation method, tbh.

I use it when exploring. Keep blank warp scrolls with me, set one to my latest location, teleport home, deposit my finds/resources, teleport back and keep going.

The uses your own inventory as the location to find the trigger for whatever spell is cast, and since this spell uses blink, it triggers on the first warp scroll with a location. Be careful which order you keep your scrolls in in your backpack. Lol

Ummm... Can runes use to put blocks into the world from a connected inventory? If so, TNT and a redstone circuit could possibly be an EVIL trap.
Might have to test this one...

Another question.
Turrets and leap. What direction would it trigger? The direction the target is looking, the direction the turret is facing, or the direction the player who placed it is looking at the time?
So many strange ideas today.

Hmmm... Redstone signal rune to trigger a turret behind a wall (or under the floor) to cast a linger (or piercing) spell at the wall (or floor), hitting the entity that triggered the rune. Best possible hidden trap in 1.18.2, from a concealment perspective.

[limber cedar]

Probably been asked and highly dumb question but on combo spells like Ignite Flare can the Flare go right after or does a Delay between them help?

[limber cedar]

Use a Snare or Gravity in there as well maybe?

[limber cedar]

My understanding is that Leap goes straight forwards.
Could be useful in a hallway to fling people into a trap like a pit or through a bunch of tripwires to set off other things.

[lusty walrus]

Brightly colored traps as a ruse, but the rune (matching the stone it's on) leaps them into every trap. Could be evil.

[lusty walrus]

The ignite is needed for the flare, but no delay is needed.

[limber cedar]

Now I'm reminded of Papyrus's colored tile trap.
Also, could launch them up into cobwebs. I think adding Light to a target spell would also make it easy to see what trap got aet off but other intruders may see as well.

[limber cedar]

Thanks, suspected as much.

[hallow heart]

Sure will try

[limber cedar]

For a bit of paranoia, sprinkle around stealth runes with very long delays with simple or single spells at the end.

[limber cedar]

Another variant, the Slam Dunk.
Rune: Leap, Amplified to fit need, Delay, Gravity.

Ensure they're flung through a tripwire or have some other trigger that opens up a 2 wide piston floor over a pit with dripstone at the bottom.

Gravity will slam them down at mach speed.

[maiden chasm]

I did something like that but instead of amplified leap its a lot of launch glyphs

Cause launch+5amps is less height than 6 launches

[dapper night]

OK, i give up, i've been trying to use to let others craft but it only opens my crafting table. Can't a rune because it apparently needs to start with touch #sendhelp

[soft laurel]

I think it's just not possible

[dapper night]

I didnt think it was, but had to try it, and do my research by asking if anyone was successful

[gaunt laurel]

Omega adds a glyph that let's it work, called swap target or something like that? not possible without it though I don't think

[outer fern]

i think you can use touch > rune > craft > extend time > craft, etc

[wicked plume]

Try Propagate Homing and see if it works

[flint maple]

Swap Target is needed, no arguments to that

Craft will always act on the center. Open a request if you want it to act on the entity hit

Then the council will decide

[dapper night]

Swap target? Is that Omega?

[flint maple]

Ye

[dapper night]

Booo

[shut sierra]

question

what mod adds amplify III

because :edit updated based on feedback

[lethal crescent]

That's 12

But too many glyphs

[flint idol]

Block destruction you'll get more mileage out of AOE than just amplify.

12 glyphs is ok here, I'm assuming with the projectile accelerate that it's with a wand

[flint maple]

Uh, split missing

I'll fix

[shut sierra]

and yes its with a wand

[lethal crescent]

I see

[shut sierra]

with this do you mean 1 amplify 2 aoe or all aoe?

[flint idol]

Some combination. Amp allows it to break higher blast resistant materials (cobble is harder than dirt for instance) but AOE increases the overall radius of the explosion

[tame widget]

The Bone Zone.

[deft gale]

I have a question about glyphs. I'm trying to create the Summon Stead glyph. Instead of showing me the recipe it says: "This spell has been sealed away from the realm since the dark magicians time." What do I need to do in order to get the recipe?

[flint idol]

Guessing dawncraft

[deft gale]

Are you talking to me?

[flint idol]

Yeah if I recall, dawncraft disables a few glyphs, including at least break and summon steed

[deft gale]

Cool. Thank you. Do you happen to know how to unlock it? I probably have to kill some entiry first.

[lusty walrus]

Can a rune trigger a linger?

For instance, have a lingering summon spell on a rune, to trigger on an intruder.

[fervent hawk]

sure

[lusty walrus]

This could be dangerous with the summon wither glyph from Omega.
Let the games begin... Lol

[flint maple]

Not really?

Summoning have cooldowns

It would only work in creative

[lusty walrus]

I was more worried about the linger creating many of a summon.

[flint maple]

Wouldn't happen, and I already said why

[fervent hawk]

oh, I thought you wanted to trigger the rune with a summon

yeah, if you want to use a summon spell on a rune, Linger won't do anythihng for you

just do rune and then the summon of your choice- summoning sickness will prevent any other summoning, since the rune counts as you for casting purposes

and if isn't tied to a player, it can't summon anything at all

[narrow mortar]

Trying to encase mobs in obsidian, any ideas? my main problem is that there aren't enough glyph slots

I've got stuff like conjure terrain melt < notice that's too many slots

could eliminate the wall if there was a way to control block gen vertically, but alas

ends up doing this

when you evaporate all the lava, it's clear that it is encasing the mob in obsidian, just not entirely, and not so it matters what with all the lava

[outer fern]

oh that's interesting

[flint maple]

For encasing things into blocks there will be an useful new glyph soon

[flint maple]

@gusty eagle were you the one who made "Othy's Death by 100 Pricks" ?

[gusty eagle]

Yes?

[flint maple]

You should test that spell in survival

Since it doesn't behave in the same way as creative

It's kinda useless atm, so it would be a good idea to change it imo

[gusty eagle]

Oh alright

Yeah I’ll mess around with it

[molten portal]

I haven't been here in a bit, but I remember there was a link to a site that had some spells people had made. Is that still around? I didn't see it pinned.

[flint maple]

it should be pinned in #744920824376459385. But it's obsolete for 1.18 ars and above

[molten portal]

Ah, thanks. I'm using a 1.16 build, so that should be perfect. 🙂

[lethal crescent]

so what's a good damage spell in t2
is it still just harm delay harm delay
I'm trying out flare delay flare delay

[worn blaze]

Freeze > Cold Snap is a pretty good one. Add Amplifies and AOE to the Cold Snap as you see fit, and maybe add a sensitive to the Freeze so you don't accidentally freeze any enemies underwater. Ignite > Flare is also good, and if you have TMG, Harm > Extend Time > Poison Spores looks good as well. You can also do Launch > Delay > Wind Shear if you don't mind occasionally losing drops.

[lethal crescent]

Is delaying and spamming not worth it after t1?

[sinful quiver]

Depends on version and add-ons

[lethal crescent]

Atm 8

[sinful quiver]

Err, IDK what game version that is

[lethal crescent]

1.19

[sinful quiver]

Probably no add-ons Id guess

[lethal crescent]

There's elemental, assuming there is also tmg

[sinful quiver]

The amp limit means delay always remains relevant lol

[lethal crescent]

Because there's poison spores

[sinful quiver]

Oh if elementals there then delay is only effectively always relevant

[lethal crescent]

Only effectively? What do you mean?

[sinful quiver]

With the fire focus there's a combo to kill i-frames that sometimes gets used

[lethal crescent]

That's interesting

Does spell damage work with flare?

Right now it seems that throwing mage blocks is better

[flint maple]

tier 3 spelldamage is a +6

so more resolution > less resolution with amps

[fervent hawk]

throwing mage blocks is surprisingly effective, generally speaking

[flint maple]

iirc a throwed block doesn't have a max damage

it scales according to block hardness and speed

[flint idol]

Speed matters? Leap with a bunch of amps can make it go pretty fast....

[flint maple]

float f = (float) this.getDeltaMovement().length();
int i = Mth.ceil(Mth.clamp((Math.min(f, 2.5) * this.baseDamage) + getStateDamageBonus(), 0.0D, 2.147483647E9D));

well, speed bonus is capped

nvm

for some reason i was reading it as max

[narrow mortar]

Speaking of spell damage, I notice there's no familiar that boosts air spells, though there is for fire, water and earth. On purpose? upcoming?

though I guess technically, 2 of those are from Elemental, and only one from base Ars, so weird ask

[flint maple]

Main problem, even more than making model/texture/animation, is that any familiar also have a charm work

So in order for a mob to be made you need:

1. Assets
2. A role in charm form
3. A set of buffs in familiar form

[narrow mortar]

hmm, well the air boost is an obvious buff, by role in charm form, you mean like how the Drygmy makes animal loot and the wixies brew potions?

as in, they can't just be a follower that boosts your stats, they have to 'do' something

guess I'm struggling to come up with a use, now you mention it

hostile mob loot? something that could bypass the old mob-farm setup, perhaps

Outline time!

Starbuncle - acts as a pipe
Drygmy - animal loot
Whirlisprig - plant loot
Wixie - potion making
Bookwyrm - storage system?
Siren - fishing loot
Flarecannon - defense
additional summon - ?????

.....ore doubling?

does fortune work on smelt? if so then that's the job of a glyph

[flint maple]

A drygmy farm any mob loot, not just animals

[narrow mortar]

monsters as well?

[fervent hawk]

yup

if a mob has a loot table, the drygmy can probably access it

[dense mountain]

Been trying to workshop a fire summon with a fun twist on the traditional ore doubling system

[fervent hawk]

what've you got so far?

[dense mountain]

First idea was the summon could take in smeltables and only has a chance to give bonus yields. Those bonus yields would be based on its happiness. Haven't thought much on how to make it happy yet.

Second idea was similar, except you can get random other valuable things from a table. So you could melt gold but have a chance of pulling lapis, or iron, or more gold etc.

[fervent hawk]

hm. I wonder if there could be any mechanic that requires you to offer specific groupings of minerals that it asks for

like you need to put together a meal for it consisting of this many iron, this many copper, etc

[dense mountain]

Hah treating them like meals is cute

I wonder how it would feel if it went a while not asking for something you need to smelt now. Like if you need a bunch of iron, but it wants gold and copper salad

[fervent hawk]

well I'm mostly thinking in like, we have to appease this spirit to get it's blessing

and the output wouldn't necessarily need to be part of what you offer... like it could be another form of upkeep, or an optional thing to boost the yield for a certain amount of time

like I'm thinking, how can we get players to engage with this beyond the initial setup and then throwing items at it forever after?

[dense mountain]

Ooh, yeah that could be cool. Maybe feed it coal/charcoal/wood/fire essence based on what it wants and you get a multiplier/better chances for a while?

[fervent hawk]

because most ore doubling is just... get the thing set up, which might be more or less difficult depending on how many steps they want you to go through, and then you just toss stuff in and walk away

so I'd like something that rewards the player for interacting with it more

[dense mountain]

Just found a prototype of the Burnuki

[fervent hawk]

adorbs, lol

[dense mountain]

it's based on I think a Japanese folk tale of a tanuki that shapeshifts into a pot

I'd have to look it up lol

[flint maple]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-tanuki-kichiboushi-genshin-impact-tanuki-gif-24831347

Funny, one of the first results of tanuki have a pot on the head

[dense mountain]

https://www.curiousordinary.com/2021/09/bunbuku-chagama.html#:~:text=Bunbuku Chagama is a Japanese,tea ceremony at his temple.

here it is

Bunbuku Chagama

Use a charm on the 1.20 archeology pots lol

[forest mortar]

bunbuku chonkama

[narrow mortar]

very familiar

they can transform into anything inanimate or animate, but that particular folktale revolves around the tea kettle

I've always wondered where all the Ars summons concepts came from

[narrow mortar]

that's a leaf btw

famously Tanuki's put a leaf on their head to transform, and I'm pretty sure that's what that is

Kitsune occasionally too, which are also more identified with fire between the two

[flint maple]

Too little resolution to recognize what that is, lol

[narrow mortar]

I mean yeah, it is a bit pixely

My first video was a Yokai lore video for Ghostwire Tokyo though, SO much research on this topic

[flint maple]

Leaf Tanuki is even more classic tho

Super Mario

[narrow mortar]

ah yeah, both the Leaf version and the 'Tanooki suit' if I recall

he transformed with a leaf in the first one, and transformed into an inanimate object (statue) with the second one

it all makes sense now

actually.........does he transform into a Jizo statue?

He bloody does as well

who knew Mario was so Japanese

[flint maple]

What were you expecting in a Japanese game, lol?

[narrow mortar]

they kept it pretty universal otherwise, found a thing from a 50th anniversary interview with Shigeru Miyamoto, where he said that he knew the Tanooki suit and statue wouldn't be understood by western audiences, but he was so excited by the idea, he left it in

I appreciate that type of thought

[dense mountain]

Pretty much they are all based on creatures in fantasy/folklore then are mixed with a theme/concept related with what they are supposed to do.

Jam in Pokemon naming conventions and you have an AN mob

[flint idol]

Puns

Imagining a starbuncle running around shouting "starby!" At everyone

[narrow mortar]

I see, it did seem they were original

[flint maple]

https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthememes/comments/13jrr9v/hes_too_powerful/ @sage hedge how many hits does it take to kill this thing with spells?

Cause i see it hyped in many places

But imo it's one of the proofs that even if something looks cool, a magic mod is probably going to kick its ass into a drop

[flint idol]

I mean... That wind shear on a multishot crossbow.. that's single shot on the warden at 500 hp

That's not even getting into the whole wall propagate homing thing

[flint maple]

The armor piercing hits hard

But even assuming no-iframes-skip

There are a lot of ways to CC it probably

[flint idol]

It's a boss. First rule of Minecraft bosses is never fight fair

Blink to a death box if needed

[sage hedge]

I have those previous version overkill AP weapons.

They're way weaker than fire gatlings.

But I've never fought that properly

Very few boss mods add bosses that are genuinely hard. Twilight remains relevant because it does add bosses you can't simply steamroll.

[flint maple]

@sage hedge wake up dear, apparently there's another iframeskipper

This time is in Water School

Won't give a precise hint, but it's tied to

[flint maple]

4shots warden with full water gear

[sage hedge]

...

Is this new or an accidental inclusion in the current code?

[flint maple]

Probably old intentional but forgotten

[flint idol]

Just in time after updating to break the wind shear method

[flint maple]

Hey, I also buffed it as compensation

[flint idol]

Meant to hit the wither before you removed it lol

[flint maple]

You still can, I have no control over AI updates

[flint idol]

Mwuahahahah

Haven't logged in for a while though. I don't think I have the wither skulls for it yet

[flint maple]

Anyway, I wonder if water could work

[flint idol]

Yeah. Had to use the first skull to get the anima essence

[flint maple]

Against wither I mean

Need to check if it's immune to freezing ticks

Since it's the alternative Snap route

[flint idol]

I think the wither is immune to freezing

And the dragon

[flint maple]

Not the potion effect

[flint idol]

I need to get around to fighting the dragon as well

[flint maple]

The tick counter, not even the damage from it

[flint idol]

I just assumed it was fully immune. So snap didn't work at all on it

[flint maple]

That's because threads

The real test is with + +

[sage hedge]

Hmm..

[flint idol]

Isn't that the usual spell? Though I don't usually have the focus

[sage hedge]

I have to think a bit about if all these iframe skips are good. They're definitely funny.

And fun.

[flint idol]

I don't think they're a great idea tbh. It just becomes the default use then and overshadows everything else

But I do agree about being funny

I just remember the dagger or rapier from tinkers in 1.7

It just became the go-to for fighting anything. Just spam click it

[sage hedge]

I personally have no problem with one school focused on damage being able to do this.

If it becomes the standard for every school then I guess it's okay but I do think other people will start complaining.

[flint idol]

Would need a lot of thought behind it

[sage hedge]

Because it's crazy powerful compared to the meta that we see overall and I think ours will end up struggling the same way mahoi Tsukai does

[flint idol]

I do like that I had a lot of preparation I had to do to single shot the warden and chimera

[sage hedge]

I think that is what makes this so exciting and fun and new to us right

It's been quite a while since we've had such an exciting discovery phase in ours. I know I'm not as present as y'all are so maybe you get these all the time but for me this is the first I've had since 1:16

Except for armor of course

[flint idol]

But my problem then is that it's still a super cheap spell and I can just spam it on everything. Nothing can survive as long as there is room above it

[sage hedge]

I actually think the windshield one was less offensive precisely because of the spatial constraints

If every single one of them has like a special rule that makes them not work then maybe I'm more into it

[flint idol]

And maybe that "room above it" does make it more complicated than I give it credit for. I'm currently in a Skyblock pack, so everything is outside

[sage hedge]

Yeah, and skyblocks are famous for being able to do things like accommodate armor that makes you invincible or swords that always guarantee a kill on anything they touch

So I don't think it even really hurt your playthrough, if anything it made it better

I just would like to see combo mechanics continue to dominate the top half of the power gradient

[flint idol]

Maybe it's just that I don't like having an actual answer to all the "I need teh most powerful spell ever" questions

[sage hedge]

Bars was in some sense more balanced even than Mana and artifice that tried to be more serious about Magic balance

Because combo mechanics require so much more work and the budget for each spell is very easy to control from a design perspective

Well I'd like to go on record saying that while I like this and I'm having a ton of fun with it and I'm eager to discover the ice version of this, I don't think Earth should get it

I think Earth should get a stacking damage buff like the way lightning worked and I think the upper end of it shouldn't be well defined

[flint idol]

[sage hedge]

Yeah, I'd like to say that successive crushes in a time window are more effective and escalate the crush effect

And it would be good if that effect could work on things that can't take potion effects

[flint maple]

could progressively reduce the target's armor defense?

[flint idol]

If you're underground and a cave crashes in... It's not going to go well

[sage hedge]

I don't know, I always use the ender Dragon and the warden as my yard sticks

You could also have it do massive armor damage to players if you want to think about that aspect of it

What I've realized though with this ability to have two focuses is that in fact water is not in the bad place we thought it was as a secondary focus

[flint idol]

Need to summon a dripstone above a player

Or anvil

[sage hedge]

Right now I think you pick one of the fire or air focuses for your damage and the other one for your utility

Like Earth makes you really hard to kill if you have some way of constantly regaining life

[flint idol]

I usually just go with block shaper. I hadn't really done much with the elemental foci

[sage hedge]

Life drain threads with someone wearing a full Earth costume and focus is kind of funny how durable you are

Well, if I'm honest. I think the block shaper focus should go away and it should just be the default

I don't really see why we're getting that behind the focus when it's so much fun that we've already given some little bits of the power to the main system

[flint idol]

I always forget spells that need it because I usually have it

So yeah I could agree

[sage hedge]

Yeah, with Elemental being included much more commonly I don't think there's a need for the blockshapers for focus

If you don't have Elemental installed and it's just base ars then I understand because there's only one focus and it's very niche

The block shaper focus means there's something everybody wants for that slot

[flint idol]

I don't think I've ever used summoner focus

[sage hedge]

The only uses I know of for it are PVP

And it is better than people give it credit for for PVP

I guess I've never really tried to do a summoner PVE build and I could think of a few ways that might be interesting

I mean orbit Heal on wolves would probably be the best crowd clearer imaginable in the overworld

[flint idol]

I tend to prioritize speed, so having mobs run around just gets in the way

[sage hedge]

By the way sorry, I am walking my dogs in the rain so this is all voice dictation and I can't even touch the screen if I wanted to

[flint idol]

Haha. That makes sense "ours"

[sage hedge]

Yeah,

Eventually I'll be able to correct it enough that it realizes what I'm trying to do

So currently we have two mechanics for improving spell damage

Actually we have three

The first is combo where you do one spell and then another spell works

The second is iframe skip

The third is stacking where we have some sort of debuff stack that builds up and up and up

It's quite ironic that we felt the need to nerf lightning after my first playthrough with it because it seemed overtuned and now we are just like yeah well these spells do 6,000 DPS if you damage max them and I guess it's fine cuz it's complicated

There is a secret fourth mechanic which is don't wear RF armor around a lightning user I guess

Is that the limit of mechanics ours can support?

[flint idol]

Infuse glyph I think has interesting potential

I don't think we have the available potion effects in base ars to really abuse it though

Also. Tipped arrows exist

[flint maple]

Oh, i forgot a check in the condition of water freeze skip 🙃

It's potentially more powerful than the flare combo since it doesn't heal, at this point?

The counter is still the magic protection stuff

[flint maple]

This work against wither

Basically, the current counters are:

• vs Fire - Stay in Water, boost your heals to counter phoenix fire.
• vs Water - Water Breathing, stay warm, magic resistance
• vs Earth - Poison Immunity (can't defend harm, only other is spores)
• vs Air - Stay grounded, nothing more to say
• vs Manipulation - Make an instant wall

[sage hedge]

I mean, Air still has pretty great damage even if you're on the ground.

I do think Poison Spores is better than we give it credit for with an earth focus.

But I dunno how I kill an Apotheosis boss with earth magic. 🙂

Is that an unfair yardstick?

[flint maple]

I mean that you can't defend from lightning, lol

[sage hedge]

Ah, true.

[flint maple]

Not that you just need to stay on ground

[sage hedge]

I mean, Earth's gravity spell is actually quite great.

It's also hilarious with modern shapes.

But I dunno how I kill a big boss with it. In all cases I do that with the block shaper focus.

Maybe I overlooked poison spores for the warden?

[flint maple]

i don't think it can be poisoned/hungered

[sage hedge]

Hmm.

I don't mind having to run two focuses for peak effectiveness.

Maybe there is a way to scale .

[flint maple]

place gravity - launch a ball of blocks

[sage hedge]

That's true.

And block gatlings exist which is fun

[flint maple]

i can only say burst + block place + fall inside a magnet is impressive to look at

[sage hedge]

Burst?

[forest mortar]

The newest op glyph on the way

It’s actually included in the wilden testing jar now that I think about it

[flint maple]

Also called Sphere for friends

Spoiler: doesn't repeat cast like linger

[sage hedge]

That's fine.

[flint idol]

I'm excited to test it out for terraforming

[flint maple]

it's funny as a mob trapper

[flint idol]

Just need to get to t3 so I can get conjure dirt.....

[sage hedge]

Lol

[sinful quiver]

I was gonna add iframe skipping but it was gonna be pretty expensive and hard to use
The Elemental ones feel like they're getting out of hand

[flint maple]

WS was just nonsense

I still have to evaluate the freeze one

i could probably try to make it skip only once

[sage hedge]

The thing that makes the iframe skips scary is how walls can propagate homing.

If someone was setting up 20 turrets I don't think we'd care.

[flint maple]

yeah, walls are scary

[sage hedge]

I wonder if that's the actual op thing here. Which would be a shame because it's SO fun to watch.

The thing is, here we are constructing rube Goldberg devices while tech mods just give you a stick or a bow that does 500 damage ignoring armor. 🙂

[flint maple]

they nullify the cost of casting that many homing projs

[sage hedge]

I wonder if this is fixable by increasing the cost of propagate homing with walls?

Again I dunno what you want to nerf and what you want to keep, Alex

The thing is, all this has done in ATM8 is given us a way for Ars to farm gems from Apotheosis mobs. It's the only mod in the whole pack that can do that.

[flint maple]

cost is evaluated too early

[sage hedge]

And made it relevant

Like, Ars damage was basically irrelevant before this for most big modpacks like Enigmatica and ATM.

So it's not bad that it's suddenly relevant in controlled conditions.

[flint idol]

I want to do more testing with multishot crossbows

Because it made launch crazy with the launch windshear8

Orbit

[sage hedge]

Maybe it needs to be made into a config option? So that Dawncraft like packs can prevent Gatling spam

[flint maple]

I mean, glyph combos are already configs

linger & wall for example

[sage hedge]

Yeah so the config id propose here is "will propagate homing and bounce work with wall and linger"

Is that already in?

I think iframes on hit are dumb for the record. 🙂

And I've always thought that turned Minecraft combat into something weird

[flint maple]

You edit propHome config to block it from use with wall/linger/burst

can use linger/wall configs as an example

Oh

It's not an option

Looks like that piece is code-only

Then i guess i can block propagators use with the shape family with a config

Need to point it out, you will still be able to summon a ton of decoys and use a with

The easy solution for everyone that doesn't want the shenanigans is to disable that glyph

or make it endgame

[flint maple]

Btw, this is probably my stance on iframe skips. Hellfire is fun because it's heal based, so it's a weird combination that can also punish reactive heal, and probably will be part of a boss.

Frost is easily abusable with projectile gatling, the counter for it would be a leather armor piece and eventually a thread for it could be made. It's still stronger than fire since it doesn't heal, even if mitigated by warding thread, so i'd limit it to one reset by applying an effect for few secs.

Air was just unintended, original usage was to allow combos with the Launch+Gravity slam but WS on top of being simply spammable also ignores armor so it can melt players in an extremely unfair way. Air have mobility and the shocking combo so it doesn't need more, the levitate buff is just to encourage that playstyle.

Earth could get a final thing to balance out, a progressive buildup would probably work. Also to keep the duality Fire-Water Air-Earth. Envenom was something planned by Goo i think, so idk if i'll use a similar concept or experiment on crush.

[sage hedge]

I agree but this is maybe a problem with decoy, and it's a bit harder to set up.

[flint maple]

more like the summons always look away, lol

[sage hedge]

Maybe decoy should just always give one second of summoning sickness

[flint maple]

they give one tick or smth

to avoid linger/wall/chain

[coral grotto]

What is your enchant for this ? i tried but i deal 1,5 heart of damage

[flint idol]

It's a very specific configuration in a very specific few versions of ars elemental. The air focus makes fall damage that you cause ignore iframes. Wind shear is fall damage, so you just hit them with as many instances of wind shear as you can

[ionic mirage]

wind shear method is gone?

[ionic mirage]

Can you skip iframes with freeze the same way you can with fire?

[flint maple]

There's a way, which will be limited a bit soon to one reset with a cooldown (ironic)

But I don't think anyone found that yet

[ionic mirage]

So I can’t just replace the fire spell I frame skipper glyphs with frost equivalents?

[flint maple]

You can atm. It's a similar format to the but with freeze magic.

But also a bit different and still not discovered afaik

[ionic mirage]

Ty!

[ionic mirage]

thx, I found the iframe skipper, can't believe it was that simple. How did no one else find it? it seems like the sort of thing a new player would try by accident

[flint maple]

Well, I forgot i even added it

Freeze is not used much nowadays since the chilling thread exists

And since it's that easy to use once discovered, next update will add a little cool down after each reset, to avoid the homing gatling

[ionic mirage]

why is fire used then given that the fire thread exists? I'm curious as to why frost is less popular

[flint maple]

Because the ignite combo was discovered

[ionic mirage]

is the ignite combo also being patched?

[flint maple]

Otherwise ignite is a bit useless too

Nah, that's balanced by healing

It's just frost that have too little downsides

[ionic mirage]

so the frost nerf will make it so you can only have one reset per cast?

[flint maple]

basically

it's still a valuable combo in few instances

basically it's skipping the use of a delay

[ionic mirage]

thx

[sinful quiver]

Does it reset in one delay?

Can you use it to half delays needed?

[flint maple]

Looks like the old pins were not passed on

1.16 only, deprecated for newer version, old community spell compendium: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AltTarf5ZXSBg-1iXWOFT_AZkROukQ?e=WZCuch

Few very basic spells for tier 2. Delay is needed to deal damage twice, since there is a 0.5 sec window where the mob can't take more damage, in 1.19.2 there's an amplify limit of 2.
Ignite + Flare + Amps (+delay+flare etc. if not enough)
Freeze+ColdSnapx2+Amps(+delay+coldsnap etc.)
Launch + Delay + WindShear + Gravity (optionally add a dispel at the start and an extend time at the end).
Add the spell damage thread for 2-4-6 (based on slot level) extra damage for each, and you can use the fire/frost threads to skip the ignite/freeze glyphs. Keep in mind that if you have a or (lesser ones work too) ignite and freeze have additional effects that might be worth checking for more complex combos

[forest mortar]

the document works again?

It was down for a while

@sinful glade ^

[sinful glade]

😛

Ty

[flint maple]

Oh idk, I simply pasted the link from the archive

[narrow mortar]

interesting

this would have been great inspiration when I was doing my spell videos

then again, I was trying not to copy anyone, so maybe it's for the best

well, until I started running out of ideas

[prisma lichen]

this idea probably won't work, but...
Can boats be effected by spell effects? (like levitate, speed, and leap)

[flint maple]

not the potion ones

the others should

like launch or leap

[prisma lichen]

would a summoned steed be effected?
as those should be affected by potin effects as well

[flint maple]

yeah

you might try self-burst to target it while riding

[prisma lichen]

so I could ride through the sky on an invisible horse/dolphin with bonce applied to make the horse/dolphin not die?

[unreal tusk]

Lel

That picture will be burned in my mind forever

[fossil niche]

could maby a spell that functions as a farming hoe or prehaps you could try and get compat with other magic based mods to make spells like hexes and curses

[lucid mica]

how do i get the glyph of break?

[vital night]

Your supposed to start with it

unless the modpack doesn't have you anyway

otherwise its craftable by default, unless that too was changed by the modpack

[lethal crescent]

Probably dawncraft

[tired coyote]

Oh, no, I think I've made the """best""" spell.

I call it, dogstorm. It summons about a hundred good boys around you. The barking alone is cataclysmic.

(You can make considerably more wolves by replacing dampen with another AOE, but then my game stops working :c)

[flint maple]

Won't work outside creative

[tired coyote]

True, but it will work in survival with animate block

[vital night]

or hear me out, mod combos. Im sure there is a mod that adds something to remove either all, or just all harmful, effects

granted good luck getting that in a pack you don't make, and if you do make it, adding exploits isn't fun

[drowsy mulch]

does anyone know a spell combo to harvest the lava lilies around a volcanic sourcelink w/o them falling in the lava and dying?

[forest mortar]

Add pickup to the end

[cobalt pasture]

It's how you mine anything near lava. It's how you mine and kill stuff at rage, too. Beats having to run up to it afterwards, and picks up Exp orbs, too.

[vital night]

Really its how you mine and kill in general, there are very few times where you need damage to the point of getting rid of the pickup at the end

although one scenario would be a duel, where your not fighting them for their loot

[sinful glade]

So im trying my best to come up with a spell to help me deal with and get wither skeleton heads but with the modpack im playing on the skeles have 50 health and are consistently ramming my colon any advice?

[vital night]

That… sounds like a situation where one may potentially need to outsource the item pickup to a second spell

[ruby spear]

Jar one and stick it by drygmies, they'll eventually produce skulls.

As for dealing with them, if you're in an enclosed area, you can just put rows of blocks across the corridor 3 spaces up. Wither skeletons can't pass under that, they're 3 blocks tall. If you're not in an enclosed area, can move them somewhere you don't have to think about them.

If you really want to kill them, if you have a tier 2 spellbook cold snap locks everything it hits in place, so you can grind them down safely.

[round zealot]

My friends and I are making a pvp arena with the stipulations of we can only use 1 amplify 1 AOE 1 pierce and lightning isn't allowed any ideas on a good spell combo to go for in terms of damage?

Oh linger is also not allowed

[flint idol]

Blink

[vital night]

I would assume blink to the void isn’t allowed, it’s likely just dueling and they probably don’t wanna lose items (I assume here that they don’t have keep inventory on or a grave mod)

[flint idol]

Rules were not defined 😛

[fervent hawk]

the stipulations were clearly stated, and blink was not among those stipulations

and you don't need to blink to the void for blink to be dangerous

[vital night]

That is true, and I very much made way for such ideas in my message (precautions, I can’t be wrong) I was just mentioning void specifically because it’s the main method that people suggest for using blink to damage others. It’s also the easiest method as one set a warp scroll far down super easily using the End.

[fervent hawk]

I will always think that a death trap as the teleport target is more fun

[vital night]

Well your not wrong about that, I’m just usually too lazy to set that up

The one time I bothered my design was heavily flawed, and I’ve grown mentally enough since then to not try again…. Unless someone angers me enough…

[round zealot]

Blink is allowed but it's in the over world.. wait can warp scrolls take me to the end??

[flint idol]

Used to. Not anymore.

You can still use vanilla tricks to break bedrock, flight ritual to go down and set a warp scroll, come back up and close the hole

[round zealot]

Does it work in 1.18.2 I forgot to mention that's the version we're in

[flint idol]

Can't remember. The TNT/piston trick is pretty easy though

[ebon yacht]

So is cut even worth on say, an enchanter's sword?

[flint maple]

Only way I could see it worth is if you have an air build

I mean, with elemental stuff

Delay->Cut and it probably becomes a beheading sword

Cut is free cost but weaker, so it relies a lot on the flat damage buffs from gear

[ebon yacht]

Shame there's no jukebox spells or anything like that. Would be neat to be a walking music player.

[dense mountain]

would prob be annoying to have entire songs played by glyphs

[ruby spear]

Mobs killed by cut drop heads?

[flint maple]

They have a chance of head drop if cut deals the killing blow, while wearing the , in 1.19 latest yeah

[ruby spear]

Oh, it's ars elemental functionality

[round zealot]

thats actually really neat ngl

[dreamy bear]

I'm looking for something really simple. Is there a way to both place dirt blocks, then harvest the dirt blocks I placed with a single spell? Breaking the blocks breaks the ones under where I just tried to place.

[flint maple]

[dreamy bear]

TY

[flint idol]

Touch sensitive wall dampen sensitive chaining conjure terrain break pickup

With the shaper focus

[sullen sky]

Delay then break?

Oh nvm

[flint idol]

Should get you like a chest of dirt per cast

[ebon yacht]

I'd like to thank all you guys here, even if many of you didn't answer my specific questions, many of my questions were answered via your answers to others and the good ol' discord search. I feel like I've got a really good handle on spell crafting now that can only get better. Also I can one shot mountains, so that's pretty lit in of itself.

[forest mortar]

[ebon yacht]

Also, I created a spell so brutal it crashed my high end PC. Tornado, propogate arc, wall, split and fireball, mixed in interesting ways are more than 64 gb of wham can handle.

I was just spell book testing, if I'd put it on a staff it'd be worse

[pearl skiff]

Hm. Okay, so, good T2 rune spell for my mob farm? And is there any way to get the xp orbs out?

I've noticed that chain on a rune = I get clapped if I'm in the area

Flare too. It seems like runes do not count as me as far as propagating damage goes

Granted maybe it's how I'm making them? I'm using a rune spell and then using the chalk on it

I do have TMG and Ars Omega.

I can't quite unlock monster and not-player filters yet.

But I don't think those affect flare aoe

[sinful quiver]

have you tried rune sensitive?

[pearl skiff]

Oh shoot

[sinful quiver]

failing that, it's probably a good idea to just get the filters they're by far the best

[pearl skiff]

Is it really something simple like that?? Lol

[sinful quiver]

no idea

[pearl skiff]

Yeah just not sure a filter will stop the aoe of a flare from damaging me

[sinful quiver]

it won't

but it should affect chain

you said chain is the issue

if flare is the issue just use another damaging glyph

https://tenor.com/view/try-it-and-see-give-it-a-try-try-try-and-see-try-it-yourself-gif-24095805

[pearl skiff]

Chain to propagate single target damage will propagate it onto me. Flare without chain will flare me

The rune is casting as another player

"Try it" involved pain and death :p

[sinful quiver]

a small price to pay now in order to fix it forevermore

ruen sensitive makes rune cast as you, not another player

hence my suggestion to do that

you can always make a creative testing world

[azure ice]

Just to clarify, sensitive makes the rune cast as you, not it's own caster, there's no way to make a rune cast as another player

[pearl skiff]

Oh good that's what I need yeah haha

[sinful quiver]

To clarify what I meant, I was referring to how runes without sensitive cast as a fake player

[azure ice]

Yeah, just wanted to make sure they didn't confuse it with casting as another player

[pearl skiff]

I'm trying to figure if there's a good way to spread and launch arc projectiles from a propagate wall... without explosion?

Apparently dampened explosion doesn't push arc projectiles

[sullen sky]

Knockback on entities?

[pearl skiff]

Hmm. If you out aoe on it, is it a spherical one?

[sullen sky]

Idk

[frank goblet]

Hey there guys, Im trying to make a spell to place blocks, but it doesnt work at all, Im trying to use it to create walls for a huge structure, but even if I use it without AOE, the basic "Projectile->Place block" doesnt work

[cobalt pasture]

It takes a block from your leftmost slot on your bar to place. What do you have there?

[azure ice]

#faq if you have claims you need to add Ars to your team/colony

[frank goblet]

I mean, all the other block spells works in my colony, yet, I will try to add it. Thanks for the help, I will advice if it doesnt work

[frank goblet]

Sorry for the ping, but how do I add ars to the claim and the colony?

[azure ice]

for mine colonies: #general-and-help message

otherwise it depends on what claim mod you use

[frank goblet]

I dont know the name, is one that has the claim on the upper left corner, you can create party and claim chunks with an interactive map

Yet, thank you very much for the help, I can just fuck the claim off and use only minecolonies as its claim is strong enough

[azure ice]

That's FTB Chunks, you just need to edit your party and add Ars_Nouveau or the ID listed in #faq

[frank goblet]

Thank you so much! I will name a sword on your name, starbuncle.java, and put the craft menu spell on it to annoy my enemies, just like java 🤝

[azure ice]

only opens the menu for the caster

[frank goblet]

Not with the level three spell to change the caster

I dont remember if it was added by ars omega or ars nouveau, yet, its an extremely useful spell

[azure ice]

Is that an omega thing?

Ah

[frank goblet]

Its quite fun to hit someone and hear him screaming in the discord call because he cant fight back lol

[azure ice]

Just a bunch of

[frank goblet]

Yeah buddy

[vital night]

The best part is- never mind

[gusty eagle]

I still don’t know what to do for a spell

[blazing anchor]

It what circumstances would you use amplify 3?

[flint idol]

It's worth I think 3 amps but only takes the glyph slot of one

[dapper night]

I do seriously wish the change target thing from Omega would be implemented in base or elemental, I want to be able to use Rune - Craft for my friends to use, instead of a Crafting table

[cobalt pasture]

Doesn't that already work?

[flint maple]

Idk, even random funny spells

Chuck's bad gas:

[gusty eagle]

Lol alright

Oh I’m going to have to test out all the new spell components

[vital night]

nah it opens the menu for the caster of the rune

[gusty eagle]

[gusty eagle]

How’s this^
Othy’s misdirection

[prisma lichen]

does work with in any sort of way, to make an area bouncy?

[flint maple]

Not really

Even assuming the linger applies bounce, timing might wreck it

[flint idol]

You could do something like a platform of runes with bounce that you fall through and they recharge

[dense mountain]

allowing sensitive to make bounce work on blocks could be fun

[flint maple]

Bounce becoming an augment so I can merge bouncy projectiles?

[prisma lichen]

can/does work with , to bounce better, by moving faster downwards? (if Launch only works upward I'll have to think of a better way to fall faster)

[flint maple]

Leap surely work both ways as long as you look that way

[flint idol]

I'm a fan of smashing myself into the ground to bounce higher

[prisma lichen]

I was wondering about making bounce style spells, to maybe have an interesting combo with stuff like gravity or air slash, I probably need to test some of the ideas I have in game though

[gleaming arch]

hi i am in survival what is the best spell to do thank you

[dapper night]

is your friend

[vale timber]

If I do harm amplify 3 harm amplify 3 will it be better than harm aplify 3 II

Or well in my case Flare, Amplify 3 Flare amplify 3

[vital night]

invincibility frames disagree with such a spell

[dapper night]

As IgneusCat mentioned iframes won’t allow that. You will need inbetween damaging spells

[lapis idol]

Good idea

[red lintel]

Hey, can someone tell me some good tier 2 dmg spell for the wand

[fervent dew]

hii i am new have been playing the mod for about 9 days and i am wondering how to use (knocked out of orbit book) it says you are not skilled enough to cast skill orbit

[azure ice]

Are you playing RAD2? If so you need to increase your magic skill level

[sullen sky]

Rad 2 isn't built for ars

It reatrics alot of stuff

But maybe if you make a magic book you can raise the level of magic a bit

[narrow mortar]

I played RAD2, best thing to do is build the basic book and start casting low-level spells

I messed up and upgraded my book, thus making it not work anymore cuz my level wasn't high enough

mining source gems increases magic too, but barely, I'd keep the lvl 1 book until I'm the appropriate level for tier 2 (lvl 45 or something magic?)

[sullen sky]

My friend made a server once and we basically completed the mod, but because of some mod that increased health of mobs proportionally to the amount of time you play, it became super hard to kill anything.

[old lantern]

ok

[narrow mortar]

ick, I played for a bit, till it started deleting everything I had in my backpack on logout

[lethal crescent]

I played a while, managed to get pretty good stuff, fun modpack to play once

[robust yoke]

can someone explain homing to me

[wide shadow]

I wanted to make a spell where I fly in the air, and when I land I explode in fire. I can’t really make it work though. Would it be possible?

[dense mountain]

Maybe something like ? That should set everything around you on fire if anything is flammable. Problem is syncing the delay with hitting the ground as the delay wont time it perfectly.

[azure ice]

You could use a leap glyph and combine it with an Ars Artifice curio using the Glyph of Landing to trigger the

[wide shadow]

Both very good options thank you very much! Ars artifice looks really cool so I might just go for that!

[sinful quiver]

Might not be immune to discharge
, IDK

[light mica]

what's a spell combo for cutting only grass on top of grass blocks?

[flint idol]

⛓️

Chaining is from the addon too many glyphs

It's basically veinmine when used with blocks. Pierce allows there to be more space between nearby blocks. AOE increases the number of things it can target

[carmine nest]

Quick question, is there any way to get rid of the AOE effect of the advanced elemental glyphs, like Cold Snap and Flare? I would very much like to use them, but the AOE makes them incredibly dangerous around my villagers 😅

[flint idol]

Nope 🙂

We like to make the player make a choice

[carmine nest]

Mmm. Guess that means harm will have to do until I move them into a safer position. The launch-skyshear combo obviously only works outside xD

[flint maple]

put a filter right before the glyph if you have ars elemental

[flint idol]

Won't the splash still hurt everything else?

[flint maple]

it's a coded interaction from AE

[carmine nest]

oh? :D

Will try, thanks

[flint maple]

checks the glyph before the effect

[flint idol]

Oh did not know that

[flint maple]

to avoid the damage even for the aoe

a bit janky, but it works

[carmine nest]

Hm... Looks like the filters can only filter for specific monster types. Still a good tip, will just be a bit of a hassle to switch that every time I need to use it, and I can't filter Pillager vs Villager

[flint maple]

The more generic ones are in toomanyglyphs

But yeah, i am not sure you can filter those two even with it

[carmine nest]

Saw that one earlier, the monster glyph there can filter those IIRC

[flint maple]

I was pondering a raider / villager filter

[carmine nest]

never had much of a reason to use it, since I normally don't use villagers too much. Thanks for the reminder it exists 😅

[flint maple]

the weird thing about filters is that they are useless for 90% of the times

but the 10% you need one, it's a very specific type

so it ends up with a lot of them, polluting the glyph screen

[flint idol]

You mean my free mana?

[carmine nest]

Update: The damage is indeed prevented with a filter glyph - but Flare still spreads fire to filtered targets. Maybe Cold is a better choice here.
Was worth a try, thanks again for the help :D

[flint idol]

Fire mages are irresponsible

[carmine nest]

Can confirm

[flint idol]

Just want to watch the world burn

[carmine nest]

Lightning mages are worse though :P

They only live for the Unlimited Power

[flint idol]

Even vanilla with fire aspect swords

[carmine nest]

Correction: It only looked like the filter worked, the villager had enough health to survive a single flare 😅

Filter before flare does not prevent damage, at least with toomanyglyphs filters 😅

Time to put the village underground, I guess

[cobalt pasture]

Thanks for your sacrifice.

[carmine nest]

*my villagers' sacrifice
Nothing that can't be fixed xD

[vital night]

Worst case scenario you can always replace the villager, the real pain is getting the trades back

[cinder locust]

Hello, I'm in front of ignis but I don't stop dying, has anyone found spells to help me (since it's a fire boss I tried ice but didn't do a lot of I'm in front of ignis but I don't stop dying, has anyone found spells to help me? (since it's a fire boss I tried ice but doesn't do much damage 😕)

[harsh plinth]

[ray]

water focus required

[cinder locust]

Thank I'll will try later 😊

[heady bane]

i tried to make swarm typa spell with hoaming split and propegate hoaing etc etc with harm, but it wouldnt cast and split too new targets / create a new instace of the spell

[heady bane]

nvm, find the spell i replicated before

[heady bane]

might be a funny defence spell ( if you have very high walls)

if they dont die during the spell, they get airlifted

(remove the duration down for longer spin-around)

also

funny bounce

[teal spindle]

So you need a for a simple 3×3 excavation?

[flint idol]

Yup

[teal spindle]

1.20

Weird

[flint idol]

What's weird?

[teal spindle]

It just breaks a block off to the side

[flint idol]

HT treechop

[teal spindle]

Ah

It messes it up, eh?

[flint idol]

Yup

[teal spindle]

Thank you

[flint idol]

Don't remember the exact specifics of what's going wrong, something with how it chops a tree, so with break being an instant break, it ends up breaking just one thing instead.. it's odd

I think there's maybe a config or something for it to not do that with the spell book. But I've never used it myself

[bold verge]

does anyone know how rotate actually works???

im lost

[flint maple]

Rotates by 90 entities but needs sensitive for players

For blocks, works only on orientable blocks. For example a prism or a piston

[pale goblet]

How does damage work, How can I deal more damage, Where can I read about it at all

[dense mountain]

1 - https://discord.com/channels/743298050222587978/1063650997135757393
2 - Search "best"

[pale goblet]

How can I use the crush Glyph ?

[wind phoenix]

to crush things

[sage hedge]

The usual way is xN

[foggy nymph]

Solution, and, I know this is a really old reply, but, what about adding tags for the popular mod add-ons, such as ars omega, ads elemental, and, too many glyphs (those seem to be the three most popular), and then, when you hit the tag limit, make the last one say, "other (please specify)"

[foggy nymph]

Ignore this

[sullen sky]

In combination of other mods, what's the most powerful combo you've seen in ars nouveau

I'll start: with the help of sophisticated backpacks, you can put on one of your armor pieces and then you fill up the backpack with feeding upgrade and mendosteen to have super good healing.

[broken heart]

I want to create a spell that mimics the construction wand mod. This is my combo and it works with blocks but not slabs as it places them one down. Is there anything to be done to ensure all blocks are placed in the correct orientation?

I am using 1.20.1 version of the mod and latest versions of most of the addons

[inner briar]

I found a book that taught me how to make the spell flash freeze, I believe from ars elemental addon. This seemed to use lightning more for effect than use. I wanted to find a way to use lightning to charge a creeper then with delay itll then be ignited and blow producing mob heads from the nearby enemies. But ignite (even with sensitive) doesn't compel the creeper to explode the way flint and steel does. Anyone know a way to set this up or am I gonna have to ignite my charcreep the old fashioned way?

[dapper night]

Its from base Ars and the lightning does damage to the entities inside ice too :3 you might need to use flint and steel still to get the creeper to explode unfortunately

[cobalt pasture]

Setting it on fire from doesn't count as Flint and Steel?

[azure ice]

No it doesn't, you can use and hold a flint and steel in your offhand though

[prisma oyster]

does anyone know any good enchanter's spellsword combos? i tried adding lightning to it but it was wayyyyyyy too damaging (to the point that i accidentally killed myself a couple times)

[fervent hawk]

(you'll get a free amp for the last Harm)

it's not massively damaging, but focused only on the target you hit