General & Development Help

[halcyon sphinx]

im having troubles with some coding on my end

IManaCap mana = CapabilityRegistry.getMana(e.player).orElse(null);

iv been trying to get this into my code for days but i cant ever seem to get the builder to find e.player

which is most likley because im missing where its coming from

it doesn't help that e.player cant really be searched on github so i cant see anymore instances in ars nouvea's files on where it could be used

[neat mango]

e is not even defined here

[halcyon sphinx]

yea

im trying to define it

iv set up a few imports from the actuall helper but still can't define e

[neat mango]

thats not how it works. you cant just "define" it with imports

you need a reference to the object somewhere

did you copy paste this snippet from somwhere?

[halcyon sphinx]

i know this

yea im copying this from https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/blob/1.20/src/main/java/com/hollingsworth/arsnouveau/common/event/ManaCapEvents.java

1.20.1 version

similar to what i have now

i don't exactly know where e comes from as i cant really find anything that defines it via the helper you sent

i have removed e from execute() since that wasnt doing anything

[neat mango]

its an event

it is triggered by forge

the method is not called manually. it is automatically called by forge depending on the event type

[halcyon sphinx]

oh?

hmmmm

[neat mango]

for example PlayerTick will be called on everytick automatically

[halcyon sphinx]

ye

[neat mango]

I highly suggest you read how forge works before attempting something like this

[halcyon sphinx]

eeeeeeeeeeeg

how do you guys call it remove / add mana from glyphs then if not called manually?

eg the spell book

[neat mango]

I dont recall, you might have to check

but those are not handled by events

[halcyon sphinx]

i do know partly how forge works im not completly new but this is bamboozling

[neat mango]

spellbook interactions have player available so it is trivial

[halcyon sphinx]

i think i got somthin hold on

chonky what doe e stand for?

event?

mcreator has somthing extremly similar to what the helper had in it

except in the place of e its event

[neat mango]

yes

well you can call it whatever since its a variable name

[halcyon sphinx]

hrr

[neat mango]

?

[halcyon sphinx]

for whatever reason event doesn't seem to extend to player like it should

despite what the helper clearly does

[neat mango]

well you need to use the particular event

[halcyon sphinx]

?

[halcyon sphinx]

im tryna use those event for players but it just simply cannot find any

[neat mango]

you need to use the exact type else you cant access its fields

[halcyon sphinx]

guh

[neat mango]

??

[halcyon sphinx]

im trying to find the exact feild here but its not Event or event

[neat mango]

what does that even mean ?

[rocky grail]

just pass ServerPlayer or something

[halcyon sphinx]

it means player wont show up under any of them

and im not sure exactly the player feild comes from if not event

[halcyon sphinx]

ima trying

[neat mango]

it will if you use the right event type

[neat mango]

I even marked where you need to make the change ^^

just use the correct type in the second method

[halcyon sphinx]

ah

wait then what do i put in there if not event?

entity?

[neat mango]

TYPE

the variable type

you need to use TickEvent.PlayerTickEvent instead of Event

[halcyon sphinx]

ok

somthing is happening

its building

no godam way it actually worked

HOLY HELL

IT WORKED

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

alight i know what to do from here

aight so im gonna have to code in a helper to either auto generate or be imported which isnt to hard. then ill have to make it so you can pass varibles to it which isn't that hard either and actually elemenates another problem im facing

hey chonky while im here

how do you like

make custom glyphs show up on the table when you right click it with the spell book

im a bit stumped on how that works

[rocky grail]

i highly suggest you to open ars up in a java ide and snoop around

that said im quite doubtful that you can expose that functionality to mcreator in a clean way

[halcyon sphinx]

what you mean

what you mean by "in a clean way?

qther?

what you mean in a clean way

bamboozled

[neat mango]

you need to create a custom implementation of gear and then register it in the glyph registry

as qther said, open the source code and look how the glyphs are implemented

[halcyon sphinx]

i actually know how to do registerying stuff from my time with the create mod

[neat mango]

you would need to extend AbstractEffect

[halcyon sphinx]

anyway

do you have any IDE's i can try?

[neat mango]

Intellij

[halcyon sphinx]

peferably any that can host a client a minecraft inside? (it its very useful for testing)

[neat mango]

all ides can do that

even vscode can do that if you know how

[halcyon sphinx]

wait wut

[neat mango]

stick with intellij

[halcyon sphinx]

ill try it when i can get it installed lol

i have already started putting ars novuea into procedures tho

ill try intelljj

aight i need to impliment this helper into my plugin code since manually overiding the procedure code makes bad things happen

thanks so much chonky

[radiant depot]

forgot to show but i finally remade the faces of the elemental mages, keeping only the air one as the old gandalf

if you wonder why they all have some sort of beard, they'd look pretty bad without

unsure of remaking the hair part since they'd have the armor on

[halcyon sphinx]

Yo question. Is there anyway I can call the change of mana manually?

Like how does the spell book manage to do it?

[mossy hollow]

What do you mean? What are you specifically trying to do?

[halcyon sphinx]

I'm trying to call a mana function such as mana.addmana() but I'm trying to execute it manually

Like on a player triggered event. Not a global tick event

[mossy hollow]

You need to get the players mana capability

[halcyon sphinx]

Yea I'm able to do this.

[mossy hollow]

CapabilityRegistry.getMana(player)

and then you can do ManaCap#removeMana(amount)

or addMana

[halcyon sphinx]

I'm coding this for 1.20.1 forge

Don't I have to send network packets?

[mossy hollow]

Should be similar

[halcyon sphinx]

Otherwise the changes wouldn't save

[mossy hollow]

No you shouldn't need to

Are you trying to increase current mana or max mana?

[halcyon sphinx]

This is what I tried to do

[halcyon sphinx]

Increase current

[mossy hollow]

Then that should do it, no packet needed afaik

[halcyon sphinx]

However when I ran it that way the changes didn't sync

[mossy hollow]

call cap.syncToClient(player)

[halcyon sphinx]

Whenever i ran said method the changes would dissapear the second anything happened server side

[halcyon sphinx]

We tried that in past but I'll try it again since I'm not sure if we called cap

How do we define cap?

[mossy hollow]

mana works, in your example

that's the capability

mana.syncToClient(player)

[halcyon sphinx]

Hmm

I'm not sure if it showed up on the methods I could execute in 1.20.1 but I may have typed it wrong

[mossy hollow]

I'm looking at 1.20.1 rn

it's the same

[halcyon sphinx]

Ah ok

Do I need to call player in the () of my execute? Eg here

[mossy hollow]

Ah this is happening clientside, you need it serverside

Can you show your latest?

[halcyon sphinx]

litteraly not on pc lol

Yea I can but my latest is running off the server player tick

[mossy hollow]

When you're at your PC send a screenshot and I can try help further

[halcyon sphinx]

Kk

@mossy hollow

this was the codded example i made on the global tick procedure

[rocky grail]

Minecraft is not a class that exists on the server

you cannot use it for server stuff

[mossy hollow]

You're casting to a server player which won't work

[halcyon sphinx]

its just som stuff left over from the overides

im cleaning it up lol

[halcyon sphinx]

i thought thats what i had to do?

[mossy hollow]

Can you send the actual code? Using ```

```java
CODE
```

[halcyon sphinx]

import net.minecraft.client.Minecraft;

import javax.annotation.Nullable;

import com.hollingsworth.arsnouveau.setup.registry.CapabilityRegistry;
import com.hollingsworth.arsnouveau.api.mana.IManaCap;
import net.minecraft.world.entity.Entity;

@Mod.EventBusSubscriber
public class ManahelperProcedure{
    @SubscribeEvent
    public static void onPlayerTick(TickEvent.PlayerTickEvent event) {
        if (event.phase == TickEvent.Phase.END) {
            execute(event);
        }
    }

    private static final Minecraft minecraft = Minecraft.getInstance();

    public static void execute() {
        execute(null);
    }

    private static void execute(@Nullable TickEvent.PlayerTickEvent event) {
        IManaCap mana = CapabilityRegistry.getMana(event.player).orElse(null);
        Networking.INSTANCE.send(PacketDistributor.PLAYER.with(() -> (ServerPlayer) event.player), new PacketUpdateMana(mana.getCurrentMana(), mana.getMaxMana(), mana.getGlyphBonus(), mana.getBookTier()));
        mana.addMana(3);
    }
}```

(j just assume anything before that such as the imports are there)

since my ide imports them automaticly

[mossy hollow]

import javax.annotation.Nullable;

import com.hollingsworth.arsnouveau.setup.registry.CapabilityRegistry;
import com.hollingsworth.arsnouveau.api.mana.IManaCap;
import net.minecraft.world.entity.Entity;

@Mod.EventBusSubscriber
public class ManahelperProcedure{
    @SubscribeEvent
    public static void onPlayerTick(TickEvent.PlayerTickEvent event) {
        if (event.phase == TickEvent.Phase.END) {
            execute(event);
        }
    }

    private static void execute(TickEvent.PlayerTickEvent event) {
        if (event.player instanceof ServerPlayer) {
            IManaCap mana = CapabilityRegistry.getMana(event.player).orElse(null);
            if (mana == null) return;
            mana.addMana(3);
            mana.syncToClient(event.player);
        }
    }
}

try this

You'll need to import ServerPlayer

[halcyon sphinx]

im trying to call this on a manual event, somthing that i can call and without being on a playertickevent

[mossy hollow]

Okay, well the same code should work, just make sure it's called on the server

[halcyon sphinx]

how

wait how did this get here

nvm lol

yea like how

how do i call it server side?

[mossy hollow]

Depends on the event you use

[halcyon sphinx]

how does the spell book do it?

doesn't it wokr the same?

[mossy hollow]

Spells are fired on the server

And they resolve on the server

[halcyon sphinx]

hrrr

[mossy hollow]

The spellbook just casts the spell (by asking the server to cast it)

https://docs.neoforged.net/docs/concepts/sides

I recommend reading through this

[halcyon sphinx]

i see

ill be back

[halcyon sphinx]

btw my original code worked

this one i mean

(also im using forge not neoforge if that matters)

[halcyon sphinx]

yo

anyone there

[halcyon sphinx]

this did not work 😦

as said synctoclient doesnt work

[halcyon sphinx]

Bro it is the next day

[shadow helm]

And every single one of us is an unpaid volunteer.

[halcyon sphinx]

I know the pain. I own a mod development studio aswell. Just get back to me when you can please.

[rugged urchin]

Knowing that pain I'm surprised you made a post, then made a follow-up post an hour later because you thought the response was taking too long, and then complained the next day about no one responding to said post. People are busy. When they're not busy and decide to spend their ration of free time on contributing unpaid consultation, it's safe to assume they are probably going to direct that energy towards community members that respect their time.

[hallow owl]

You still got a long way to go for internet etiquette

[halcyon sphinx]

I'm sorry

I was frustrated

Can you help me with my code when you have time?

When your ready ofc. I didn't mean to seem pushy a few days ago.

[rugged urchin]

I'm not a programmer, so it'll be up to whoever is around and wants to look at it

[halcyon sphinx]

Ok

Take your time

[halcyon sphinx]

when you guys want, can someone please help me with getting mana.syncToclient to work? or help me out with manually sending a packet to server so i can use mana methods from the api?

i can't seem to be able to call sync to player for some reason, but the networking method seems to work best

but i can't call it manually for some reason (im not entirley sure if im passing on the right varible types to do that)

im trying to use

''
private static void execute(@Nullable TickEvent.PlayerTickEvent event) {
IManaCap mana = CapabilityRegistry.getMana(event.player).orElse(null);
Networking.INSTANCE.send(PacketDistributor.PLAYER.with(() -> (ServerPlayer) event.player), new PacketUpdateMana(mana.getCurrentMana(), mana.getMaxMana(), mana.getGlyphBonus(), mana.getBookTier()));

}

}''

im trying to use this but with any varible type that i can call manually

[zealous zenith]

this channel is for ars addon help, you arent going to be able to learn how neoforge or java modding works

[halcyon sphinx]

this is for an ars addon project, i just thought i could come here for help.

can you suggest me to any resources for forge variables?

also, for some reason synctoplayer isn't showing up/ working

has anyone had this issiue aswell?

(using this method would be so much easier then one i got)

[rocky grail]

it clearly works because mana works in 1.20

[shadow helm]

You being on Forge puts you in a bit of a spot with the Forge/NeoForge split, but I'd assume that https://discord.gg/neoforged is still a good resource for general forge help.
There's also pinned posts with general modding tutorials here 🙂

[rocky grail]

yep theres still a 1.20 channel there

and it should be fairly applicable for forge since neo 1.20 is just forge rebranded

[halcyon sphinx]

i just don't understand, sync to player is right there in manacap and in manacap events but it just doesnt let me use it

im going to check my imports maybe im missing somthing

[halcyon sphinx]

they couldn't help me

they flat out told me not use mcreator 😦

so yea not much help

ill figure it out, thanks for trying to help tho

i do have a method that works niceley with mcreator

[shadow helm]

That's kinda the other reason why we're uncomfortable/unable to help you: You're using tooling that pretty much none of us use or want to use

[halcyon sphinx]

understandable

whats the bad rap around mcreator anyway? its a nice alternative for those who don't have the time to learn code right away. i know its code is bad but its all some people got

*i am currently trying to learn codding to propperly mod minecraft but school has me so burnt out i can't really comprhend anything.

can you guys suggest some resources in using forge functions

[shadow helm]

That's pretty much all the reason already. The code is somewhere between bad and "will kill a server if more than 2 players use the feature" and integrating it with other mods is, as you are finding out, hard.
That combined with having a toolset that we're familiar with and know how it works makes MCreator undesireable.

Kind of going to a professional work crew whose currently building a house with power tools and insisting they teach you how to do the same while all you have is a brick

[halcyon sphinx]

i can see why, lol.

[shadow helm]

Again, for forge things, pinned messages here 🙂

[halcyon sphinx]

ight thank you

i got a dm from someone asking about the ars nouvea plugin i made litteraly today. im gonna go through and fix the issue hes having

[shadow helm]

We got one person who made an Addon with MCreator, but Lyrellion's been pretty busy with real life, I think, at least I haven't seen them in a while.
But maybe he can help once he's got more time again

[halcyon sphinx]

i think its somthing to do with my goofy ahh code i cobbled together code

im working on to improve the quality of it

but i know exactly what is wrong XD i just gota walk him through on how to fix it

anyways,

ill see if i can refer you to a problem you can actually fix in future lol

[rocky grail]

lyrellion has not made anything using mana afaik

[mossy hollow]

Hey folks, I have some composite model questions. I have a block model that uses a composite model, rendering my custom model loader and then rendering another layer over it. This works fine for the block model, but the item model instead renders just the custom model loader and not the overlay.
https://gist.github.com/Jarva/bdfbad0eb905d8e20d5b919018aa1f5c

cross posting from neocord

[neat mango]

whats a composite model? is that different from baked model?

[mossy hollow]

Yes composite model is a layered model

One of my layers is a baked model

So I'm rendering the baked model and then the outline model on-top

"facade": {
  "loader": "sf:facade",
  "model": {
    "parent": "sf:block/machine_casing"
  }
},
"overlay": {
  "parent": "sf:block/facade_overlay"
}

facade uses the baked model loader

and then renders the overlay model on top

[neat mango]

so your customloader/facade layer is working but not the overlay ?

[mossy hollow]

both work on block model

overlay doesn't work on item model

[neat mango]

Yeah

(you are gonna have fun when you have to redo everything again in 1.21.3+)

[mossy hollow]

😦

[neat mango]

can you also link the code ?

[mossy hollow]

time to finally push to github

[neat mango]

um

are you sure this is correct ?

[mossy hollow]

gist doens't allows slashes in the title

https://github.com/Jarva/Structured-Fabrication/blob/main/src/main/resources/assets/sf/models/block/controller.json

wait lemme re-add the overlay

[neat mango]

no errors when loading the model ?

[mossy hollow]

Nope

Updated now

[neat mango]

how do I get the colorful overlay ?

[mossy hollow]

two black looking blocks in my inventory are the same block

[neat mango]

is this not the block?

[mossy hollow]

I just pushed

[neat mango]

unrelated but I see you were trying to do itemModel datagen through blockstateprovider

does that work? I use ItemModelProvider class and call block methods from there

[mossy hollow]

It works, but I'm not using it currently

I use that approach in Ars Additions

[mossy hollow]

do you know where item_render_order comes from? I saw it in enderio but not seen anyone mention it since

Found it in composite model source code

[neat mango]

Yep its undocumented it seems

you can look up datagen to see the methods

[mossy hollow]

Yeah i see, seems like that's fine, not sure why the item renders different

[neat mango]

lmao somethings funky with the render order

i deleted everything but the overlay from the render_order

so the system is working but I am assuming transparency isnt working

[mossy hollow]

😦

I can't figure out how to fix it and not getting replies in neocord

[neat mango]

its the facade layer

[mossy hollow]

Huh

Okay

So that's my fault then 😦

Time to debug

[halcyon sphinx]

How do you guys register spells and stuff?

[mossy hollow]

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau-Example-Addon

[neat mango]

I was trying to see if datagening it would help or point out a problem but it didnt. here is the code for it if you need it

[mossy hollow]

I figured it out

[neat mango]

oh?

what was the issue

[mossy hollow]

it's dumb

"from": [-0.01, -0.01, -0.01],
"to": [16.01, 16.01, 16.01],

this is needed on the overlay + face

[neat mango]

nkoConcern

[mossy hollow]

enderio do it, but I didn't think it was needed because it works on block render

but item render needs it

[neat mango]

thats interesting

[mossy hollow]

it's dumb

it makes me scream

[neat mango]

it had a hunch that would was the case but I dismissed it

maybe report this to neoforge? sounds like a bug to me

especially because they are redoing how models are done

[mossy hollow]

github issue?

[neat mango]

maybe talk to them on discord first

[chrome spear]

Hi... I'm sorry if this is a hilarious question, but is it possible to write an addon that allows armors from other mods (e.g. Tinker's Construct) to be upgraded with threads, just like those from Ars Nouveau?

[shadow helm]

I've got excellent news for you: There's someone working on making that an enchant 🙂

So yes, it's certainly possible

[chrome spear]

Oh wow that surely is exciting

[shadow helm]

This guy 👆 specifically.
Just hasn't decided if he's going to put it into his Addon Ars Additions or the Ars ATM compat

[mossy hollow]

I have it fully working, just need to decide where the enchantment goes, probably Additions

[chrome spear]

Cool! I guess I'll look forward to seeing the release then 🙂

[neat mango]

I am gonna do an unofficial survey. question to addon devs and other modders. when was the last time you guys played minecraft ?

and I mean properly played not bugtesting or anything related to modding

[mossy hollow]

About a month ago, I played through ATM10, before that was sometime in 2023

[rocky grail]

days ago

got busy with overdue school work

[shadow helm]

A year? More? Probably on the Arcane Isles server

[radiant depot]

Some new vanilla last month with friends

[rugged urchin]

Like actually played for my own enjoyment? 😅 Prob about a year. Boot it up a few times a month for testing/referencing dev stuff.

[shadow helm]

@kindred pier

In regards to the chat you should probably use o
On what?

[kindred pier]

You mentioned the pattern spellbooks, reactive, etc. I’m out of the loop

[pallid rapids]

so Reactive is an enchantment in base Ars that allows any item to become a spellcasting tool, basically. It gains a chance to cast on attacking with the item, or if you get hit if you are wearing Reactive Armor

[shadow helm]

And there are spellbooks you can find that have 1 specific spell hardcoded into them (as treasure), most of them coming from Patreon Rewards that's why we call them Patreon Tomes or Spellbooks

can't find the code for you right now because work but you should be able to find it in the AN github

[kindred pier]

Oh yeah, forgot about those. Been a while since I last played the mod.

[kindred pier]

Currently, the idea is to give scrolls Ars spell capability.

As for spell tomes, the idea (imo) is to replace them with Iron’s scrolls

[pallid rapids]

I would caution against messing with the patreon caster tomes tbh

[shadow helm]

you want "thing X" that casts spells like Ars Spells.
For code that casts spells like ars spells, you need to look at Ars Code for which I gave you ideas where to look

[kindred pier]

I’ll keep that in mind, still, could you elaborate?

[kindred pier]

Thanks 🙏

[shadow helm]

don't change how they work or interact, leave them as is

[pallid rapids]

well so like you're planning on making a mod, and if you replace the caster tomes then people won't be able to find their rewards in the way they would expect, and if your mod becomes popular and gets into a lot of pack you could be changing the intended experience with that feature entirely

[shadow helm]

use them as inspiration for how to code it, but don't change how they work

[pallid rapids]

hold on I have something for this...

https://youtu.be/qPGbl2gxGqI?si=ZdEt3BNxoje-Dvnp

[kindred pier]

Do spell tomes have any other functionality I don’t understand 😂

[pallid rapids]

the spell tomes are only a patreon reward currently

they have no other function, they are spells built by the community and found as loot in game

you could build something like them and add that, but please do not replace them

and the video I shared is more just, when you are planning on changing something that already exists, you should make sure you are not destroying some important function... like, say, a patreon reward that people paid for

I share the video often, because people are often breaking things they don't understand within Ars

[rugged urchin]

The tomes were originally made to be an entry point to introduce our mod to people who stumbled onto them when playing modpacks. That's why they have their own mana rules set aside from the rest of the mod.

[rocky grail]

alex also has a tome that breaks the base glyph limit of the mod because alex is a rebel and doesnt care about your rules

(alex's magnificent mansion is 12 glyphs)

oh hey

theres another

uni's windshield is 11 glyphs

that ones because uni wanted the spell to start with

but thats now

oh wait other way around

[pallid rapids]

basically, adding stuff is up to your prerogative, but changing things that already exist should be done with extreme caution after you have full context of everything the thing you wish to change already does, because you are changing the default experience of the core mod which can often have sweeping implications

[rocky grail]

so now its x8

[zealous zenith]

I never said you couldnt make a tome more than 10 glyphs!

no one asked :^)

[rocky grail]

lol

i dont have a tome anyway

i still have an unclaimed starby though

[zealous zenith]

you can just add your own with your addon

[rocky grail]

still dont know what to do with it

[radiant depot]

even without, just use a datapack

tomes are recipes

starbies can probably be injected with kube

[rocky grail]

or i can make a major refactor for 1.22 and sneak in my own tome into the base mod and hope bailey doesnt notice

[pallid rapids]

if you volunteer to do the porting, you can slip whatever you want in lol

[rocky grail]

you reminded me that apparently i never opened a pr for https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/pull/1687

[zealous zenith]

no!

that is too far

[rocky grail]

lol

manual json with java is ew though

[zealous zenith]

playing with codecs for fun should get you a mandatory 2 week mental health vacation

[rocky grail]

ill take it tbh

[pallid rapids]

only the most premium of padded rooms

[rocky grail]

someone remind me in 10 hours to make emi support for ars unification

should be simple but i keep forgetting

[radiant depot]

you can make emi support for elemental, lol

should be pretty easy

[mossy hollow]

This is just Ars Additions imbued spell scrolls isn't it?

[gleaming fox]

Hello there
i have a few questions regarding the deltaMovement field inside of Entity

is it similar to Acceleration in traditional physic, and thus "consumed" every tick (set to Vec3.ZERO) after the position is added to the Entity's ?
do the x y and z axis of the Vec3 follow the regular axis of the world?

if/when you answer do ping me

[zealous zenith]

it is different for every entity but in their movement controller and in the living entity tick, a modifier is applied to the delta movement each tick so it decreases over time. if it was just set to 0 you would abruptly stop moving or teleport.

it is just their velocity

[gleaming fox]

alright, thanks for the help

[sullen thicket]

Hey, uh, I'm bored and trying to dip my little toesies into modding by making a little something something Ars addon. I'm currently editing gradle.properties. Unfortunately, the gradle.properties that came with the Ars example addon refers to 1.20.1 Forge instead of 1.21.1 NeoForge (intended platform). Can I get some pointers as to what I need to edit and how to make sure stuff works correctly?

[neat mango]

https://github.com/dphaldes/ars-ocultas

you can refer this. it is a very simple project

[sullen thicket]

THANK YOU

[mossy hollow]

The example addon has a 1.21 pr

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau-Example-Addon/pull/7

[sullen thicket]

Thank you. Will it be difficult to switch everything to refer to NeoForge?

[mossy hollow]

Everything in that branch refers to Neoforge

https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Nouveau-Example-Addon/tree/1.21

Here's the actual repo

[sullen thicket]

tyty

Okay, time to merge in the changes that'll allow use of Kotlin...

Did that

Is there an easy way to change out the mod ID everywhere it's currently used? Using IntelliJ IDEA and the refactor feature doesn't really like me

[neat mango]

does it use a modid field everywhere? it should be a constant in the main class

[sullen thicket]

Went and changed that, thanks

[mossy hollow]

Why kotlin

[sullen thicket]

Looks easier for me to deal with than Java, ngl

I have been formally taught Java, but... the syntax, man

And my formal Java education was A) high school level B) several years ago C) interrupted by the pandemic

[mossy hollow]

I think you'll struggle more with support for kotlin

You dont need formal education

Or any education

[sullen thicket]

True

[mossy hollow]

Plus you have to write Java anyway for mixins

Can't do them in kotlin

[sullen thicket]

Fair enough. I wanna try it out, at the very least

What is this and how do I make it reflect the actual name I've chosen lol

[mossy hollow]

That's the datagen, it's generated when running the runData gradle task

[neat mango]

modern java is very nice

kt is good but dont jump into it before knowing java

you will pick up bad habits

[sullen thicket]

Fair

[neat mango]

use features like type inference in java and I dont think you would miss kt unless you need very specific stuff

[sullen thicket]

I'll use Java first, then. Thank you

[neat mango]

if you hate any specific syntax part or found anything nice hmu

I like playing with language syntax

(its one of the reasons I am refactoring my mod for 5th time)

[sullen thicket]

Okay... now I need to add a new block. NeoForge documentation says it must be registered

[neat mango]

yes

everything needs to be registered, blocks, items, packets, even creative tabs

[sullen thicket]

Yeah, that makes sense. I'm not sure where the registration is to be inserted

[neat mango]

https://docs.neoforged.net/docs/1.21.1/concepts/registries

you generally create a registry (a deferred one) for a specific type and then register your objects to the registry.
then you register the registry itself to your modbus

https://docs.neoforged.net/docs/1.21.1/concepts/registries#deferredregister this section

[sullen thicket]

Is that done in the main class?

I feel a little overwhelmed. Ouch. I'm used to working with maybe one to three files when it comes to programming - modding's a NEW thing for me.

Sorry if I seem like a bit of a fool.

Oh, the example addon has a dedicated registry package... errr. lol

[neat mango]

you can do it in a single file but dont

it will get messy real fast

[sullen thicket]

Gotcha

[sullen thicket]

OK, managed to add a block & build

Let's see how I did

Oop? The game actually launches?

The game launches, seems I didn't register my new block correctly, though

[neat mango]

it wont appear in creative menu if you dont add it specifically

[sullen thicket]

I tried /give. It's not registered correctly in general

Okay... the block exists and my dumb ass didn't properly give it a texture (or a BlockItem)

At least the game boots up VERY quickly when I need to make a change and reload

[01Mar2025 17:18:06.321] [Worker-Main-8/WARN] [net.minecraft.client.resources.model.BlockStateModelLoader/]: Exception loading blockstate definition: 'ars_decor:blockstates/sourcestone_pillar.json' missing model for variant: 'ars_decor:sourcestone_pillar#'
you have your heckin json file why are you claiming you're missing a model for a variant

[sullen thicket]

figured That out

Yeah, it now doesn't throw the missing model error, now it just refuses to accept my texture

https://github.com/Mieridduryn/Ars-Decor
I'm just gonna throw this here and go eat dinner. I've been at this for three hours, and I now know how to add blocks... but apparently, not how to make them accept textures.

Feel free to rip me to shreds if I've done something silly.

[sullen thicket]

OK, the pillar textures Work now. Gonna go to bed

This is a placeholder

[mossy hollow]

@wet olive

To add perk slots: https://github.com/Jarva/All-The-Arcanist-Gear/blob/main/src/main/java/com/github/jarva/allthearcanistgear/setup/registry/ArsNouveauRegistry.java#L46-L59

To apply modifiers and provider tooltips:
https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions/blob/1.21.0/src/main/java/com/github/jarva/arsadditions/event/ModEvents.java#L143-L193

You'll need to adjust slightly to fit your use case. The first link shows registering slots for an owned item. Second link shows the event method for modifiers and tooltips for unowned items. I can't show a complete example because my enchantment based system doesn't use the PerkRegistry, at least not directly.

[wet finch]

Is there a way to get the cost of the spell and then modify it before casting? like for example it'll cost 45 Mana but I want to modify either discount or make it more expensive (not using any spell) .

[neat mango]

look at the spell cost and consume events

[wet olive]

This is perfect, thank you so much!

[neat mango]

https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/1j5bqon/ars_nouveau_idea_the_dominion_wand_should_work/
@mossy hollow might be relevant for you. you add the advanced controller right

[mossy hollow]

Will take a look when I get a chance

[hallow owl]

Did IDEA always have Hotswap? Have I just been that blind this whole time...? Could have saved so many clicks... 😭

[rocky grail]

yes lol

the new ui doesnt make it particularly obvious

but its the hammer icon on the old ui

[radiant depot]

you might have to adjust two settings for easier hotswap in some contexts

if it says schema changed with no method added/removed/signature changed

[neat mango]

thats the build project icon ( which happens to also prompt for hotswap in debug mode)

[radiant depot]

the hotswap in debug mode can also be triggered right-click then there is the reload option

[rocky grail]

for me its generally just setting gradle stuff to run using idea and also using jbr

[sullen thicket]

Hey, is there a way to access flashpines with Ars Caelum?

I'm playing ATM9Sky and I can't get the Discharge glyph (and at least one other) because Flashpines

[rocky grail]

dont think so, and its pretty funny that they still havent fixed that

[hallow owl]

Is there no longer a {mod_name}.refmap.json in compiled .jar files in 1.21 NeoForge?

[neat mango]

if I understand it correctly, no since neo is no longer obfuscated during runtime

[hallow owl]

Amazing

Thanks!

[mossy hollow]

@rotund flower Just realised we didn't give you the addon developer role, feel free to make a post about it in #1019655289873641555 and mention it in #addon-announcements

[timid topaz]

I have arrived

But yes, I was thinking about making an addon that does an overhaul of the mana system. Basically the idea would be to pump up max mana, disable mana regen, change all gear that gives mana regen to max mana, and make it so that you can only regenerate mana from nearby filled source jars (and maybe some consumables?)

I'm just not sure if that would be technically feasible or not

I was kinda inspired by the dnd idea of needing to long rest to regain your spell slots

[mossy hollow]

I'd say it's possible, but it won't be very simple to do

[timid topaz]

Probably not something I should take on as a first project then

[mossy hollow]

Maybe not so difficult now that I'm thinking about it

You'll need a mixin to prevent mana regen from happening. You'll need a mixin to the max mana calculation to convert the mana regen attribute to max mana. You'll then want an event handler for when a player interacts with a source jar to set their mana

[timid topaz]

Oooh... Could I have it on being near a source jar rather than interacting with?

[mossy hollow]

Sure, you'll need to find a way to trigger code on the source jar each tick, check for nearby players and then grant them mana if they're missing it

[timid topaz]

Cool, thank you!

[hallow owl]

What inspired you to make this mod? Is there some specific universe or gameplay style you wanna go for?

[hallow owl]

Also a question, are we still supposed to use Patchouli?

[radiant depot]

not really, it's in deprecation

[mossy hollow]

Nope

[radiant depot]

you can keep the files for ars.wiki

[mossy hollow]

But that will be converting to the new format in the future also

[radiant depot]

if you had a patchouli datagen, it's not hard to convert the code to the dynamic one

[hallow owl]

What is the 'dynamic one'?

[mossy hollow]

It's the new bespoke Ars documentation

If you want an example, here's the PR Qther made to Ars Additions to convert the documentation https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions/pull/25/files

[hallow owl]

And for users this will end up to be readible/consumable ingame?

[radiant depot]

#announcements message

[hallow owl]

Alright nice, I think I'm already on top of that one. At least, partially.

[timid topaz]

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I personally think restrictions are what make things fun. Overcoming challenges and weaknesses.

The way Ars is naturally lets you do pretty much anything with relatively low time investment. I think that’s fine in the right setting, but for my modpack it’s been very frustrating.

I wanted to find a way to change the playstyle to reintroduce challenges to overcome, basically

[zealous saffron]

For what it's worth. It's not an unpopular opinion around here. The difference is what is seen as a challenge or not.

We'd played with the idea of regenerating mana in certain areas only. But didn't want it to just be a source to mana conversion. Source is cheap and easy and free. We specifically didn't want a direct conversion either way because that removes any challenge

Need mana? Just pull out a few source jars and plop them down around you

It's also why we haven't made a larger source jar. There's no puzzle to solve if you can store a million source with no change to your existing setup

Just place a bigger jar and you're done. It's boring

Instead we give a different puzzle. You can pick up jars and keep their storage. You can redirect source with relays.

So you can pick if you want to set up a network of source distribution, or maybe you want to do like xacris and qther have done and design jar breakers that turn it into item logistics instead of power logistics

[hallow owl]

I do agree that Ars Nouveau is a bit unbalanced in a few ways, and it easily gets completely out of hand if you install just a couple of addons without tweaking them.

[rocky grail]

tbh i think even just elemental makes ars spell casting very strong

but base ars has other issues

cough drygmy

[hallow owl]

Not sure how bad elemental is, but e.g. if you put a Leap + feather falling spell in a Spell Binder from Not Enough Glyphs, you can basically fly around for free forever even if you barely have any mana.
Even without the spell binder, leaping around is way too easy and cheap

[zealous saffron]

Which is why I don't use it for most things.....

[radiant depot]

Eh, the cheap damage thread maybe needs to be tuned down

[rugged urchin]

problem with spell power as a stat in general is it's very volatile

every glyph in your spell gets that boost when most games treat stuff like that as a flat boost on top of the spell

it's not busted on a damage spell with only one dmg glyph, but can double triple quadruple dip into it

[radiant depot]

Cheap damage gives a negative spell power

In exchange for a flat mana discount

It's meant as a "this book won't be used for damage"

[rugged urchin]

ooh different thread nvm

[timid topaz]

This is the biggest issue Im having

I just want to make it so my players have like some slight movement advantage

Without being able to bypass literally everything cosplaying an airplane

But no matter what I do it seems a new way to fly with little effort pops up

[hallow owl]

Hmmm... I have thought about it before, but not a solution for it. I will sleep on it, it's something I've wanted to 'fix' for a while

[timid topaz]

My server is a fairly peaceful one centered around trading and building. I thought it would be cool to have wizards but they're kinda destroying the "chill and smell the roses" vibe

😂

[zealous saffron]

How much are you fighting vanilla mechanics with that? Elytra exist

[hallow owl]

That is a fair point, and that's only held back by how many rockets you have on you, which is also pretty easy to get around. But I would say that just because it's in vanilla doesn't mean it's necessarily balanced.

[pallid rapids]

but it does mean it is the baseline against which everything else is measured

[neat mango]

imo balance is not possible. we dont have any balanced metric to compare against. even vanilla is extremely unbalanced

[neat mango]

ghasts soon

[pallid rapids]

yeah I was going to bring that up too lol

Happy Ghast in vanilla justifying things like dragon mounts in modded being perfectly balanced

flying brooms, etc

[neat mango]

I feels its a perfect addition

[radiant depot]

I would have kept it smol tho

The Little ghast is cute, the big one is odd

[neat mango]

i hope they do a custom texture for it

it will make a nice distinction between overworld and nether ghasts

[zealous saffron]

Big ghast for survival builders, wonder how easy it is to move for precision placing

[pallid rapids]

I think the big one was so that it could be a platform and have 4 people ride it at once. Plus, ghasts are big

it did make me think that it might be hard to get it into some tight spaces though

[radiant depot]

If it has a collision to walk in top of it, could make sense

But i doubt

I guess we'll have an air focus steed afterall

[pallid rapids]

they literally showed people dismounting and walking on top of it

while they were showing off why it is helpful for building

[zealous saffron]

Makes sense

You can stand on boats

Now. Will they allow you to stay on it while it's moving if you're not mounted? Or did they take some pages from create's playbook?

[timid topaz]

Ya Elytra is pretty widely considered to be too broken for vanilla as well

And I've disabled it

[neat mango]

how is elytra broken? most mods give you creative flight much much earlier

[rocky grail]

do they?

cant speak for others tbf but i can get elytra in an hour if i wanted to

[neat mango]

most jetpack mods are early/mid game

[radiant depot]

ah anyway once again i remind about the config that make leap only work while on ground

[hallow owl]

But seems you can't fly that fast with the happy ghast

[rugged urchin]

very hard to tell, but it looks like the ghast eases into the nearest valid block position when dismounted
https://youtu.be/Fvtl6VXzCtE?si=0btcGnSaWLM-6tN1&t=277

Almost like it creates a temporary invisible collision block and the ghast geometry then slowly meets back up with it before locking itself in place.

if you play in slow motion it looks like the player is slightly floating and you can see the ghast slowly sliding before locking and the player doesn't move at all

my guess is it won't be solid while flying

[zealous saffron]

Wonder if it could be used as an angel block

[rugged urchin]

Like if you can place a block against it?

[zealous saffron]

Yeah

[rugged urchin]

that would be helpful so you don't have to dirt pole up

with AN we will at least have

well... i guess we have flight rituals too lol

[zealous saffron]

Yeah I don't know of a vanilla solution to that.

I genuinely don't know how creative mode players make anything in true void worlds

How do you start a structure?

[mossy hollow]

/setblock ~ ~ ~

[zealous saffron]

Huh yeah I guess that would work. Ok lol

Always forget set block is a thing in vanilla now

[pallid rapids]

yup, just commands

[rocky grail]

i cant live without worldedit tbh

[timid topaz]

Axiom these days lol

[hallow owl]

Are a lot of people still playing on 1.20, or has everyone pretty much switched to 1.21 now? Newer Ars features are not on 1.20, right?

[radiant depot]

1.20 is in its life support phase

[pallid rapids]

critical fixes but no new features

[radiant depot]

now that Create switched over, it's likely that the packs still in development will finish up and release for 1.20 for a bit

but in the meantime 1.21 pack making will keep on, and soon 1.22 era will start

but 1.22 won't be quick, there's an hell of breaking changes

[zealous saffron]

Dried ghast

[pallid rapids]

chunk-loading pearls

random ticks in chunkloaded chunks

[hallow owl]

yeah i noticed that the 1.20 -> 1.21 changes were a lot more painful than Forge -> NeoForge, so in for another fun time

[rugged urchin]

1.21 still feels like it happened a month ago to me

[hallow owl]

you mean... a day 🥵

[timid topaz]

1.20 is already getting deprecated? That's crazy 😭

Is that why ars technica no get 1.20?

[rugged urchin]

we've always stopped content for the previous version once we've released to the new one

[zealous saffron]

Technica has a 1.20 version

I think that's for create 5 though

[timid topaz]

yeah for create 5

[timid topaz]

Yeah it makes sense. It's just hard as a modpack creator to keep up with the treadmill

[rugged urchin]

yeah i do no envy what y'all are having to put up with

sometimes we secretly wish Mojang would stop supporting Java so we can develop on the same version

[timid topaz]

It's not like their updates bloody add anything anyways

Nothing interesting or useful, at least

The game's gotten the skyrim treatment of being a shell for mods for a long time now, it'd be nice if they just let it be that

[rugged urchin]

i'm mixed on it overall

[hallow owl]

Yeah, not really gonna bother because I believe the majority of Ars players have moved on to 1.21 in a couple of months.
Though, I have no data on that. I wish there was a way to see the current 1.20 vs 1.21 playerbase (for Ars Nouveau)

[timid topaz]

Yeah I don't blame you

I'll just have to add it when I update my pack instead

[gleaming fox]

Hello there
Is there a tool to automate imports changes from 1.20.1 to 1.21 ?

[mossy hollow]

There's one to automate forge -> neoforge if that's what you mean

[gleaming fox]

ah yes that would be great

could you please send me the link?

[radiant depot]

Should be in the pins?

#1019655534900678737 message

This plus follow the primers Jarva linked as it's a collection of the other primers I sent over the months

[gleaming fox]

alr, ty

[radiant depot]

the rename script must be the first thing you do

then you change the gradle stuff and start porting (likely check primer by primer to not get lost)

for gradle and other little shenanigans, the example addon is updated to 1.21 on my fork

unsure if it is merged into the base repo

[gleaming fox]

will do

thanks for the help

[misty hearth]

so just want some other devs takes on this, in api.ritual/StructureRitual.java the lines in the tick() method:

if (getWorld().getBlockState(translatedPos).getMaterial().isReplaceable()) {
    getWorld().setBlock(translatedPos, blockInfo.state, 2);

this is about line 89(or at least it is on the 1.19.x branch I am viewing)

my thought is this could maybe be replaced by removing the if statement with the isReplaceable() check in it so it would look more like:

// Remove the replaceable-check
getWorld().setBlock(translatedPos, blockInfo.state, 2);
BlockEntity blockentity1 = getWorld().getBlockEntity(translatedPos);
if (blockentity1 != null) {
    if (blockentity1 instanceof RandomizableContainerBlockEntity) {
        blockInfo.nbt.putLong("LootTableSeed", getWorld().random.nextLong());
    }
    blockentity1.load(blockInfo.nbt);
}
getWorld().playSound(null, translatedPos,
    blockInfo.state.getSoundType().getPlaceSound(), SoundSource.BLOCKS, 1.0F, 1.0F);
placeCount++;
if(biome != null){
    RitualUtil.changeBiome(getWorld(), translatedPos, biome);
}

replacing lines 89-103 in the original method

the main caveat to this approach is players would need to be thoroughly warned that these rituals are destructive and could very easily destroy their base/infrastructures if they aren't careful. thoughts?

[cinder yoke]

yeah, i think replacing the check here is where it would be needed https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/blob/446925796a97064e9c71f60b4f603e2ef605fe5b/src/main/java/com/hollingsworth/arsnouveau/api/ritual/ConjureBiomeRitual.java#L59, im not smart enough to know if there might be an easy way to add in a check to not replace tile entities at the same time, would be a bit more safe for your usecase

[misty hearth]

this is the current mixin I am cooking up:

import net.minecraft.world.level.block.EntityBlock;
import net.minecraft.world.level.block.state.BlockBehaviour;
import net.minecraft.world.level.material.FluidState;
import org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.Mixin;
import org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.Overwrite;

/**
 * Makes all blocks globally "replaceable" unless they're a Tile Entity block.
 */
@Mixin(BlockBehaviour.BlockStateBase.class)
public class BlockStateBaseMixin {

    @Overwrite
    public boolean isReplaceable(FluidState fluidState) {
        // If the block is a tile-entity block, treat it as NOT replaceable;
        // else, treat it as always replaceable.
        BlockBehaviour.BlockStateBase self = (BlockBehaviour.BlockStateBase)(Object)this;
        return !(self.getBlock() instanceof EntityBlock);
    }
}

I will report back how this goes as it is a sort of nuclear approach lol

[cinder yoke]

just gotta believe

[misty hearth]

I finally did it

that took awhile ngl

@cinder yoke I had to override the tick() method in both StructureRitual and ConjureBiomeRitual

[cinder yoke]

Ooh it shits out the blocks that were replaced?

Huh

[misty hearth]

yeah I need to fix it giving the blocks that were destroyed

since I am gonna change the structures to replace one color of antimatter with another color

but I am making progress so I am happy for now

[cinder yoke]

Neato!

[misty hearth]

I'll post more stuff here when I make more progress but thanks for the help finding the code earlier!

[cinder yoke]

Yup yup

[misty hearth]

any idea how hard it is to replace the structures in those summon rituals? I imagine its just editing the stucture files/NBTs but I don't actually have any experience with editing structure files lol.

always good to learn something new I suppose

[cinder yoke]

yeah you can just use a simple datapack to replace the nbt file... telepathic grunt has some great tutorials on YT and possibly in a wiki somewhere, he's kinda the structure guru of modded mc

[misty hearth]

ok sweet, Ill check them out

thanks for the rec

sounds simple enough

[misty hearth]

thinking more about this, it might be a good thing it drops the blocks it replaces just in case the player accidentally activates this in their base or too close to it, that way they don’t just lose random infrastructure lol

i might just add a conditional to not drop concrete specifically for my use case but everything else gets dropped

[boreal swift]

Hey all. I was wondering if someone could help me track down/understand the part of the code that does the changing of the biome in the conjure island rituals. I’m making my own mod inspired by this functionality after using it in ATM9 to the Sky and a little bit on how biomes can be made in Terraria.

So I’ve been searching through the GitHub and I’ve been able to find pretty much everything about how it works, how it decides the biomes by the ingredients, replaces the blocks, decides the dimensions, all that, but what I can’t figure out in my inexperience is what actually does the changing of the Biome itself on the “back end”. So if someone could help point that out to me I would appreciate it. It may be just in front of my face and I can’t see it because I’m new, or it could be because I’m trying to find the answer by looking through things on my phone at work and if I could pull up the Neoforge/minecraft directory thing in IntelliJ I would be able to see it 😂

[mossy hollow]

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/blob/main/src/main/java/com/hollingsworth/arsnouveau/api/ritual/RitualUtil.java#L42

[boreal swift]

Ok so I’m in the right place it’s just not computing in the brain yet. Thank you!

[mossy hollow]

It's this line that sets the biome specifically

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/blob/main/src/main/java/com/hollingsworth/arsnouveau/api/ritual/RitualUtil.java#L62

[boreal swift]

Ah thank you! I think my eyes were skipping over the “.set” that’s likely to be the crux of what I need.

[timid topaz]

Hey guys what 1.21 version is best for mod support rn?

[zealous zenith]

1.21.1

[timid topaz]

Thanks Bailey

[rocky elbow]

what addons add amplify 2 and 3

i think ive added most of them but i cant find them

and a couple otehr glyphs too

1.20.1 btw

[shadow helm]

Not dev related but Too Many Glyphs

[rocky elbow]

well where else would i send general messages for addons

i presumed i would send them in the general chat

[hallow owl]

You can use the #general-and-help chat, many people have addon-related gameplay questions there. This one's for programming questions

[gleaming fox]

hello there
i just got back into AN addon making
may i ask what does nuggets does/what are it's use cases?
thank for the help

[radiant depot]

nuggets is the library where bailey put all the doc related stuff

[gleaming fox]

oh i see

thanks for the info
ill make sure to read through it when my computer gets fixed

[mossy hollow]

It's for sharing code between Ars and BlockPrints afaik

[radiant depot]

unsure of what else it has

you shouldn't need to use it for addon making, maybe for custom pages but very little direct dependecy

[gleaming fox]

alright

[rugged urchin]

You were fine to ask in either, but this one is more geared towards addons. This channel functions as both a general and help chat related to addons

[gleaming fox]

hello there
is there a way to "embed" an NBT tag into another tag?

[rocky grail]

CompoundTag can store CompoundTag

well

lists can too

[gleaming fox]

well i know how to retrieve a tag inside another tag but i don't know how to do it...

oh

seems like i'm blind

i could have just used "put" instead of using whatever method i was thinking of using...

[hallow owl]

What does it mean if a version of forge (itself) is not "on CurseForge"?

[radiant depot]

Usually, pretty weird and user fault for not seeing it

Curse should be able to see all the subversion of the target version...

[zealous saffron]

Unless you're looking for forge where you should be looking for neoforge?

[hallow owl]

Hmm I don't think it's that. Also some other people mention they have a higher minor version but it's also not satisfied by that

loaderVersion="[47.3.33,)"

Shouldn't that be 47.3.33 or above?

[radiant depot]

Have you tried giving it a try outside dev env?

[radiant depot]

Did they send you the screen or the line of the crash where it says the version they're trying?

[hallow owl]

They mentioned they use 47.4.0. I'll give it a try when I'm back from work

[hallow owl]

To my understanding, it's something very weird with Forge, or, it seems to be a problem with how version ranges for maven work
https://maven.apache.org/enforcer/enforcer-rules/versionRanges.html
It seems you cannot specify a patch number here, only major and minor.

So I guess I'll just ask users to use 47.4 and above since I can't specifically target 47.4.30 and above which was needed

Ohhh... oh wow...

I got:

forge_version=47.4.0
dependencies {
    minecraft "net.minecraftforge:forge:${minecraft_version}-${forge_version}"

However

💀

So in a nutshell it looks like forge is not giving its own minor and patch number to the loader checker

[radiant depot]

Tried asking in Neoforge discord?

Was it really only fixed when they switched to neo?

[misty hearth]

who would I talk to about getting the developer role? I just developed the 1.20.1 port of enigmatic unity and am the maintainer of that version for the addon

[zealous zenith]

added

[steady yacht]

Hello

I decided to try modding

in 1.20.1 lol

[unreal summit]

Why 1.20.1?

[steady yacht]

Because I am on 1.20.1 🤪

I don't know how to make a mod or addon so it is just for experimental purposes

And for learning ofc

If I need help hopefully I can ask you guys :)

[shadow helm]

That's what #1019655534900678737 is about 😁

[neat mango]

I do urge you to start on 1.21 instead as you would have to relearn a few concepts

[steady yacht]

I don't know if I will even get the time to do 1.20 but thanks for the suggestion
^_^

[rocky elbow]

there are a lot more mods already on 1.20.1

one of the biggest versions for modding rn

annoying when some mods update and leave behind the important versions tho

[zealous zenith]

Because every line of code on an older version is another line of code that has to be updated later, mods are forward looking so you even have content for the next “important” version at all

1.21 is a huge set of changes

[steady yacht]

salute to ppl who backport 🫡

[unreal summit]

I was barely able to forward port my mods, and there are still parts of Ars Fauna spawning that are broken in the 1.21.1 port

[hallow owl]

can confirm that 1.20 -> 1.21 was a huge time sink for me as well

[unreal summit]

Trying to fix Ars Fauna mobs spawning in the wrong dimensions. What code do I need to insert to limit them to overworld spawn only?

[zealous zenith]

there is an IS_OVERWORLD tag you need to use I believe

you can look at the ars spawn files for that

[unreal summit]

I think I just found it. So if I use “Minecraft:is_overworld” it will potentially spawn in any overworld biome, including modded biomes?

[misty hearth]

that would depend on whether the mod added the biome to the minecraft:is_overworld tag list afaik

[unreal summit]

Fair enough

[dark mulch]

is it too late to make an addon for 1.20?

i was gonna go ahead and give it a go as thats the only version i play on for now

[mossy hollow]

You can make addons for any version you want, the only issue may be if you need changes in the base mod, then you'll need to use mixins instead

[willow jewel]

Where does Ars store the player's current mana? I'm trying to make a hud, but I can't seem to find where is this value and display it to the user.

[rocky grail]

in an attachment iirc

[willow jewel]

I'd like to apologize in advance, I'm not a programmer so I find most of what I'm doing and finding confusing. I'm looking in the source code for any mention of anything similar to getMana/mana/playermana and load it in KubeJS, however none of it seems to load it. I went to common.capability.ManaCapAttacher since it seemed the most similar to what you said, but I'm not sure what class(?) needs to be referenced in the client script of KubeJS. I also found AttachmentsRegistry, but that's not on 1.20.1 . Once again, I'm sorry for any misused term or if I'm not being clear.

[zealous zenith]

I think the file is called manaUtil?

You can also look at where the capability is used in the capabilityregistry file. Not at my desk at the moment so not 100% on those names

[crude leaf]

I should make an addon

[hallow owl]

yes

[steady yacht]

yes

[misty hearth]

si

[unreal summit]

What do you want to add?

[zealous saffron]

on

[unreal summit]

Anyone know how to add a custom portal recipe via a datapack?

[zealous zenith]

custom portal? like add a block to the ars nouveau portals?

[unreal summit]

Like making a nether portal, but leading to a different dimension

I’ve got a dimension in Ars Expeditions that does not have a means to access it outside of commands, and I’m trying to figure out if there’s a way to datapack in a custom portal.

Or barring that, data packing in a custom craftable block that can be interacted with to teleport the user to that dimension.

[zealous zenith]

I dont think datapacks can do that, maybe the teleporting could be done with MCFunctions but im not sure how those work, and they are super laggy

[unreal summit]

I found a Fabric mod that can do it, but nothing for NeoForge

[radiant depot]

I guess one could pull it with Immersive Portals but it's overkill

Not to mention possible compat problems

Oh I guess you could use Kube to somehow trigger something like the stable scroll

...but every dimension has its rules for entry points...

And warp portals need an exact xyz

[loud widget]

does the scryer require the spectated chunk to be loaded by the player? (does it work if the player is very far away from it or maybe in another dimension?)

Im trying to implement something similar, but i want to be able to 'watch' (like a camera or a flying drone) an entity that is very far away in a possibly unloaded chunk and i was thinking if maybe the scryer implementation could be helpful for that?

[mossy hollow]

Not in 1.21 it doesn't

The scryer temporarily loads the chunk

[loud widget]

then how does it handle changing the player camera to be able to see things in that spot? From what im testing, the stuff thats in the far away place on loads if the player is near. Even if i change the player camera to see whats in there, it only shows void because even though the chunk is force loaded in the server, in the client theres nothing as the player is not there

[mossy hollow]

Is this 1.21?

[loud widget]

1.20.1

is that different from 1.21 to 1.20 conceptually?

[mossy hollow]

Very

[loud widget]

So in 1.21 just by force loading the chunk in the server the client can already see whats in there if they switch the camera to something thats in that chunk?

[mossy hollow]

I'm assuming there's a packet to sync the chunk to the player

[loud widget]

ah, ok. But then we would need to send every chunk that "should be loaded" to the client, right?

What about the entities? Would having the chunks "synched" to the client already be enough to display the entities there?

[zealous zenith]

You need a bunch of mixins to make the scryer camera work, by default Minecraft culls entity syncing by distance so the mixins force the game to sync if the camera the player is viewing through is there

[loud widget]

Im thinking of doing a workaround of teleporting the player to the position to load stuff there and then when they exit the spectator mode they would be teleported back to where they were before

given that i handle properly the edge cases of the player leaving the game when they are spectating and that i persist everything relevant to make restoring the original player position properly, i think there should be no problem, right?

like this

ill also change the player gamemode to spectator when they spectate an entity (and revert it to survival or whatever gamemode they were before going into entity spectator mode)

[zealous zenith]

If you are making a mod I’d just use the mixins, teleporting the player and changing their game mode is going to give you a ton of exploits

[loud widget]

ah, ok. Ill keep that in mind. Thank you for the advice 🙂

[edgy reef]

So throwing this in here more as a question got inspired by you guys to make an addon for a golem mod. Very very brand new to modding in general so learning as i go but atleast wanted to show a model ive made so far and might ask in here from time to time for some help if possible.

[rugged urchin]

very cute!

[steady yacht]

this is giving

[radiant depot]

Levitating ball construct, my first entity too technically, lmao

[mossy hollow]

What addons in 1.21 add glyphs?
Additions, Controle, Elemental, Technica, NEG and SBM are what I have so far

[radiant depot]

Hex/Unity whatever scalaes successor is unreleased

I don't remember if there are other addons in 1.21 atm

[steady yacht]

oh wait

This reminded me that ars plus isnt on 1.21 either

which means going to 1.21 is further than I had imagined

[mossy hollow]

@arctic bronze Do you have any 1.21 plans?

[steady yacht]

Btw Trinkets was gonna be ported to 1.21 but some big bad happened and clement has to start over or something

[arctic bronze]

Eventually, but idk when I'm gonna be back in the mc mod making mood

[mossy hollow]

@hallow owl Do you do anything strange for your mod build or mixins?

I'm trying to add Ars Technica to ArsAddonBuilder, but it's failing to prepare SchamticannonMixin when running the doc export mod

[hallow owl]

Hmm could be. What is the error?

[mossy hollow]

I think it may have been due to the create version I was pulling in, I'm now trying to alter it, will let you know if I can't

https://github.com/Jarva/ArsAddonBuilder/actions/runs/15545005213/job/43764764340#step:8:10121

[arctic bronze]

ArsAddonBuilder 🤔 ?

[mossy hollow]

this is the built version of technica

[mossy hollow]

Repository that aggregates and builds addons, generates docs entries, collates glyphs and exposes their resources

Allows us to create things like this

[arctic bronze]

Oh, that's cool

[mossy hollow]

It's why I was asking about Ars Plus, so I could include it in the addon builder

but the 1.20 version of addon builder is much less powerful

[arctic bronze]

Ah, well I'll let you know when I make a 1.21 version. Def wanna make one I just want to do a lot more than a basic port and polish up a lot of the addon

[mossy hollow]

I think I've fixed it, it was loading in your sources jar instead of the main mod jar

[hallow owl]

Ah cool, good to hear!!

[mossy hollow]

Ars Technica glyphs are now on the glyph list, no support for animated textures yet though
https://ars.guide/docs/spell_theory/glyphs/

[neat mango]

@mossy hollow you have done structure generation yeah? got any resources or tips for it ?

how do you even test it?

[mossy hollow]

I haven't done anything custom beyond datapack structure generation

I still need to create custom placement rules for the Additions structures, they just reuse vanilla ones

[neat mango]

yeah how do you do it ?

can I create custom spawn rules? make mobs spawn in the structure etc

[mossy hollow]

Yeah, check Ars Additions repo, it does all of that

You need a structure set, structure and maybe some other things?

I can't remember of the top of my head everything

[neat mango]

https://github.com/TelepathicGrunt/StructureTutorialMod

apparently this includes everything needed. it is updated quite frequently and for all versions

[forest flume]

Hey, I've got a question- Not sure if this is the right place to ask it or not, but I'm working on a modpack and am using KubeJS to add some extra objects.

Some of these objects are variations of Ars models.

To do this, I've been using models from the ars-nouveau repository
https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/tree/main

For some of these, like the pedestals/braziers, this works, but then there's some strange things going on with some other models (E.g. enchantment apparatus, scribes table, etc).

I noticed the texture linked in these models seems odd to me

I.e. using the 'potion_jar' texture for the scribes table, or not referencing any model data or textures at all.

Not sure if these other models get their data somewhere else, or are linked in some other way.

Any ideas or insights would be helpful. 🙂 Thanks

[zealous zenith]

anything with an animation is going to be a geckolib model, which links the textures in code - their model files there with the incorrect textures are just used for the display settings on the item

Im not sure how kubejs is assigning the blockentity that is associated with your new blocks, but you would need to be able to somehow set the geckolib renderer for those animated blocks as well

not really sure that is possible

[forest flume]

Hmm... Probably not..

Or maybe... https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/geckojs

[forest flume]

Mmmm.. May have to just simplify things... Thanks for your help!

I suppose it's also worth asking- Are there any tags that allow the pedestals or braziers to work the way they do, or is that something hardcoded into the object?

[zealous zenith]

that is tied to the blockentity data

any blocks you make with kubejs have to have the same blockentity

[hasty nacelle]

I just realized this thing exists

[forest flume]

Ah man... So there's no way to create a "new" block that shares the same blockentity data since it becomes immutable after a block is registered.

I thought a potential solution was to use the existing objects, but use different models depending on the blockstates. I could create a custom blockstate for "color"... Unfortunately, all blockstate properties also need to be defined when a block is registered, so I cannot add any blockstate properties to ars objects.

I saw some objects had blockstate properties like rotation, but others didn't have any at all. Am I correct in assuming if the blockstate json has no properties listed, there are none for that block? Even if there were 3 "unused" boolean properties, I could multiplex them.

[radiant depot]

There is an event to add blocks to the tile

I used it to add signs

[wheat rover]

I'm struggling with changing and adding imbuement chamber recipes using Kubejs. I managed to play around with enchanting apparatus and amethyst golem conversions successfully and the imbuement chamber has been the only one to cause me problems so far.

event.custom({
type: "ars_nouveau:imbuement",
count: 1,
input: { tag: "forge:gems/source" },
output: "minecraft:netherite_ingot",
pedestalItems: [
{
"item": { item: "minecraft:flint_and_steel" },
},
{
"item": { item: "minecraft:stone" },
},
{
"item": { item: "minecraft:gunpowder" },
}
],
source: 1000
});

I stole the fire essence recipe, replaced the output to be netherite ingot, change one of the pedestals to be stone instead of torch and changed the source value. It doesn't show up in JEI after saving and reloading and the chamber doesn't accept the recipe

[forest flume]

I haven't tried adding an imbuement chamber recipe with pedestal items yet. It works for me adding a single item with no pedestals-- I have basically the form of what you have above. Also, not sure it would make a difference, but have you tried kubejs-ars-nouveau? https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/kubejs-ars-nouveau - Also, Have you tried tag: "c:gems/source"? - Didn't see the forge one in the ars repo at least https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Abaileyholl%2FArs-Nouveau gems%2Fsource&type=code

[hasty nacelle]

Wait that's the creature behind the logo?!

[forest flume]

The octocat \m/^_^\m/

[hasty nacelle]

I didn't know

[wheat rover]

I'm using 1.21.1 neoforge which doesn't have the kubejs add-on yet. I also couldn't manage to create a recipe with zero pedestals.

[radiant depot]

If you're in 1.21 then surely you have to change the tag used by the ingredient

forge namespace is deprecated

Also weird if no error appear in the logs?

You could try to peek in Enigmatica GitHub to see if they add custom recipes via Kube, they usually mix stuff a bit with ars

[wheat rover]

Changing the tag for sourcegem didn't fix it. KubeJS reloads with no errors but the recipe doesn't work.

[wheat rover]

I'll definitely check, thanks!

[radiant depot]

https://github.com/EnigmaticaModpacks/Enigmatica10/blob/master/kubejs%2Fserver_scripts%2Frecipes%2Fars_nouveau%2Fimbuement.js

[wheat rover]

The code from Enigmatica Github works, thank you so much!

[dark mulch]

Is this a kind of porting tool?

[hasty nacelle]

Wait you made that work? Neat

[rocky grail]

nope it exports a bunch of stuff from various addons

mainly assets and wiki stuff

also glyph data

[wheat rover]

It even ended up working with custom items and items from other mods. I'm actually suprised how well it worked lol

[wheat rover]

Is there a way to modify Wixie potion output amounts? I want to make it so that wixies craft 1000mbs of a potion at one go instead of 750

[mossy hollow]

Not without a mixin

[wheat rover]

How difficult is it to learn mixins?

[shadow helm]

Can you program Java already?

[wheat rover]

I have zero knowledge with Java, I barely started figuring out kubejs and was hoping for a solution using that. But it seems that neither buffing ars wixies nor nerfing create brewing is going to be possible as easily

[shadow helm]

Pretty much, yeah.
Mixins are one of the deep ends of Minecraft modding, if you don't have programming experience, it'll certainly be a challenge

[wheat rover]

I guess I'll shelve the idea of balancing create brewing for a while then, I've barely started with the modpack and this seems like the type of challenge that will make me give up a project if it doesn't go well

[radiant depot]

they are a bit paradoxical, easy only if you know what you're doing

there's not much code to write but you need to know well where you are gonna inject that code and with what parameters

[wheat rover]

Sooo, I just realized you can make enchanting apparatus recipes with more than 8 pedestal items.

Does anyone know what the limits is?

[mossy hollow]

Not sure there's any hardcoded limit other than the space

[wheat rover]

I doubt I'll be making a recipe big enough to hit the space limit anyway, thanks!

[rocky grail]

be warned that it probably wont look great on the recipe viewers though

[wheat rover]

I tried it with 9 and JEI handled it really well. I might try something with 20 pedestal items or something just to see tho

🤣 Yeah I think the limit might be how many items JEI can show without overlapping

[neat mango]

anyone knows an item that changes its textures temporarily

oh I should look into the bow model

[mossy hollow]

Define temporarily

or compass

[radiant depot]

you can have nbt-based item models

a bit like how the blood magic sword worked

[neat mango]

I want to change how the item looks when its on cooldown

[neat mango]

what mechanism do they use to render?

[mossy hollow]

It's a client hook

Look at ars additions, the Wayfinder

https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions/blob/1.21.0/src/main/java/com/github/jarva/arsadditions/ArsAdditionsClient.java#L57

or probably the haversack one will be simpler

that opens/closes the haversack based on whether the chunk is loaded

[neat mango]

oh now that I think , there are so many items that changes textures

so where are these properties used? probably directly in the model ?

[mossy hollow]

Yep

https://github.com/Jarva/Ars-Additions/blob/1.21.0/src/main/resources/assets/ars_additions/models/item/handy_haversack.json

[radiant depot]

once you link a field to the property, you can use it for model override in predicate

[neat mango]

perfect!

[mossy hollow]

They only accept floats for the property value, so just use like 0 and 1 for loaded

[neat mango]

out of curiosity, do you datagen item and block models ?

i have been trying to datagen all things possible but not sure if its worth it lol as it gets annoying at times

[mossy hollow]

I datagen most I think

[neat mango]

man this system is already gone in 1.21.1+

[neat mango]

although new system might be more powerful and fixes this ^

[neat mango]

@mossy hollow do remember that mojang's release policy has changed and we might not get "major" versions anymore

mojang has yet to give a clear distinction between updates, versions and game drops

[mossy hollow]

Their release policy changed but they didn't say anything about dropping major versions

I thought they just said they're going to worry less about breaking changes between minor versions

[neat mango]

I could very well see they drop the current versioning scheme altogether

[mossy hollow]

Maybe

Anyway, a major version for Ars will be when a new game version is supported

[neat mango]

they havent shied away from breaking changes in minor versions since 1.19 long before game drops

[neat mango]

supported ?

[mossy hollow]

When Ars ports to a new game version

[neat mango]

ah okay

[radiant depot]

Well, at some point they will have to drop a 1.22

Probably as last drop to close the year cycle?

[neat mango]

maybe, maybe not

[radiant depot]

Having Minecraft version 1.21.11 would be too weird after all these years

They just need a good enough content thing to justify the bump

At worst, Vibrant Visuals Java since it might entail switching from OGL to Vulkan

I can understand it doesn't matter much to Bedrock as it can't version switch

[neat mango]

vulkan is not happening any time soon atleast from what I heard

too many devices will lose support

[radiant depot]

Supporting both was on the table too

Obv there's gonna be some time before they even decide about that

They are slipping in minor changes along the way in the minor updates, like the fog stuff

[arctic bronze]

How hard is it to find someone to make textures and models? 🤔 I'm not really satisfied with what I can do and would be willing to give someone some money to do some of that stuff for me. Same with making builds for structures

not asking people here, just curious if there's somewhere where people do that kinda thing

[hasty nacelle]

i do do that kinda thing

[arctic bronze]

If you wanna DM me some examples of your work I’d be happy to work with you

[hasty nacelle]

ok

[mossy hollow]

I commission @queen breach for my textures and models for Ars Additions

[arctic bronze]

Thanks Jarva! I’ll see if they’re interested

[white yacht]

@mossy hollow

Result for search: precise

**Effect:** Precise Delay from Ars Controle

Delays the remainder of the spell by (2 ^ Extend Time Augments) ticks.

Extend Time: ars_nouveau.augment_desc.glyph_precise_delay_glyph_extend_time

Tier

2

Cost

0

Schools

Manipulation

[mossy hollow]

@rocky grail We now have glyph search including for controle, but you need to add the description lang key it seems

[rocky grail]

it shows up in ars.guide though

[mossy hollow]

Strange, will investigate

[mossy hollow]

it shouldn't

[rocky grail]

fixed

[hasty nacelle]

Neato

[mossy hollow]

What was the fix?

[rocky grail]

fixing my lang datagen

[mossy hollow]

Ah

[radiant depot]

Even if i don't feel like the refractoring to make it it's not gonna happen soon, what would you want/expect in an addon library to jarjar?

For now it's likely going to get:
Api interfaces that would be otherwise duplicated across my mods, like IPropagator for instance.
Attributes that would be nice to share but are a mess to opt-support, like Resizing
Fluid stuff ( source fluid and the various utils)

[rocky grail]

tbh i think source fluid should go into base

but base doesnt really deal with fluids at all atm

[radiant depot]

yeah this is basically asking things that fit the "should be in base but won't be in base, so we make a common extension to bundle in addons"

[hasty nacelle]

Real

[rugged urchin]

source ain't a fluid

[zealous saffron]

Should full the jar left to right instead of bottom to top

Doesn't matter the side either. Just always from the left

Let's see a fluid do that

[arctic bronze]

Just trying to find an example of an animated armor texture. How difficult is it to implement?

[radiant depot]

Most likely, have the texture cycle between different ones periodically

Exploit the texture getter

[arctic bronze]

What would be a good way to make a trackable stat for a player? 🤔

Was gonna make a ten shadows themed glyph but I need a way to keep track of how many rituals a player has completed. Wondering if there's an elegant way to do this. Would want to be able to reference the value in the effect glyph to check it

[rocky grail]

https://docs.neoforged.net/docs/datastorage/attachments/

[mossy hollow]

Alternatively, add a statistic

[crimson ore]

Hey, i was sent here to ask this.

im triyng to make a mod that messes with the mana system a little, easy things like setting the mana but i cant figure out how mana works. Im only finding things on setting max mana or mana regen. in iron spells and spellbooks you just set the mana stat but in ars im confused cuz all i found was the manadata class with no indication on how it can be used. im not that deep into the code to understand how attachment. something about serial nbts but i have no idea how to use that

[crimson ore]

i think i found something. i did it like this
ManaCap manaCap = CapabilityRegistry.getMana(player);

now i have to see how to manipulate that but i think i got it

[radiant depot]

You won't get far manipulating that if you aim to max mana instead of current mana (for that it's fine)

To edit max mana there is the event iirc

It would probably override any other change done to the stat

[neat mango]

anyone got examples of custom shaders ? (not the sodium kind)

[mossy hollow]

Skyweave?

[neat mango]

found it in ars nouveau (the mod has become a reference for most of my things lol)

[neat mango]

yeah

oh Sammy of Malum wrote it ?

[zealous zenith]

Ya

It was a commission

[neat mango]

definitely worth every penny. they are a wizard when it comes to any kind of vfx. I havent yet played malum but from images, it looks crazy good

found this randomly when scrolling. its so good

[unreal summit]

I’ve started tinkering with Malum in Expeditions, but haven’t gotten very deep into it yet

[mossy hollow]

Interesting mod being worked on, allowing modpack users to select the mods they want to use

(being made by matyrobbrt)

[hasty nacelle]

so like if there is 2 mods that do the same thing (like minimap mods) you can decide between them? thats genius

[wheat rover]

Oh that looks incredible. I have friends who swear by Xaero minimap but I think Journey is just better.

The recipe viewer choice or config choices at launch also seem helpful for modpack devs

[neat mango]

nice! looks very out of place though lol

[radiant depot]

I mean, that's kinda proof of concept

[neat mango]

lol yeah

I was talking about the swing(?) ui

havent seen that in years

[shadow helm]

I remember writing them. Back in Java 8 where every bloody action listener required another anonymous subclass.

[neat mango]

was that before lambdas ?

[shadow helm]

That's why I specified Java 8, yeah

Dark Times.

Even darker considering that I know of some still in development production software that is still running on Java 7. Poor souls, maintaining that monstrosity.

[radiant depot]

i can't fathom working on java < 17 anymore

[mossy hollow]

If it operates before MC launches fully then it's pretty limited to UI choices

Just like crash assistant

[neat mango]

Yeah that makes sense

[zealous saffron]

Just do it in labview

[white yacht]

@steady yacht

Infinite Glyphs

It's possible to increase the glyph limit in spells in two different ways.

The first and easiest way is using a Spell Book from All-The-Arcanist-Gear, these have additional glyph slots baked into them.

The second method is to modify the ars_nouveau-server.toml config file.
To do this, you need to first set infiniteSpells to true. Secondly you need to modify infiniteSpellLimit to be the number of additional glyph slots you wish to have available.
A value of 10 will grant the player 10 additional glyph slots, for a maximum of 20 glyphs per spell.
A value of -9 will cause the player to have just 1 glyph slot, essentially making the Spell Books only used for setting Enchanter Tools.

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Please raise an issue with @mossy hollow

[steady yacht]

Whats that last part about "essentially making the spell books only used for setting enchanter tools"

[pallid rapids]

because a one glyph spell is just a form

[steady yacht]

Question:

Does that mean you can do -8 or -5 too?

[pallid rapids]

sure

it's a variable

[steady yacht]

idk why it makes me uneasy reading that 😂😂

opposite of "oddly satisfying"

[pallid rapids]

think there is a thing about not being able to just add 5 glyphs, but I think that was a recent fix

[steady yacht]

lol

[pallid rapids]

like 10 was the minimum to add before, I think

[steady yacht]

yeah 10-1000

[radiant depot]

loaf wanted less than 10 slots and it seemed to not break anything major

so i took the opportunity to rewrite the config file to allow those numbers and comment it a bit better

[unreal summit]

Anybody familiar with using FTB Quests?

I’m writing the quests for Expeditions, but every time I get a batch done, the next time I start the client the quest tree has reverted to the previous version.

[neat mango]

@median sphinx do you do commissions? 👀

[median sphinx]

no not really

[neat mango]

oh okay

[median sphinx]

what do you want tho