Mangmi Pocket Max

[deep vector]

Still a pretty weak chipset though

[vital brook]

The servers are more fun than the handhelds lol

[distant sigil]

I'm not talking about the marketing, but users who were making up specs and prices in their head

Some still do

[deep vector]

The price is ok

[autumn pond]

i remember they were making up shit like t620 768p screen

[deep vector]

It would have been better at around $80

[novel spindle]

Yup, I am just imagining a scenario where Mangmi trolls us by putting sd662 on Pocket Max and call it a day for sub 150. Everybody is happy but it's chaos all over

[autumn pond]

real though like so real

[vital brook]

They may have tried it at some point and then they saw the chip can't be worked with dual screens lol

[distant sigil]

"People want a $150 handheld, they will get it" sorta

[autumn pond]

pretty sad lol

[distant sigil]

They had rk3568 there fro the start, i'm 100% sure. They just suck at marketing

[vital brook]

Put the horses before the carriage lol

[autumn pond]

i saw a guy running legends za 60 fps mod on an ayn thor

its not flawless but it was smooth

smoother than 30 fps

[vital brook]

Can you guess what powers it 👀?

[distant sigil]

Yeah yeah, that stupid crap

[vital brook]

By marketing you mean the CEO boomer posting this on the Anbernic channels lol

[distant sigil]

This was in the marketing email. He was posting damage control after specs reveal.

[novel spindle]

Hi @still ember

[deep vector]

That's Anbernic Fault

[vital brook]

The whole thing was comedy tbh

[still ember]

I believe they wanted T620 as due to chat leak but at the end, anbernic need better profit margin decided to give Rk3568 instead.

[vital brook]

Anbernic aura farming that chip and some people thinking they would get a T820 for $99

[distant sigil]

Not how it works, they knew long time before release what series powers a handheld

[autumn pond]

t820 vs 99 dollars is crazy

would be good though ngl

[vital brook]

Could be that too , they still had sales with it so no huge damage was done out of this. Plus they don't care , in 4 months the RG3DS will be announced

[distant sigil]

That "they wanted t620" is such a weird take

Not supported by anything but copium

[autumn pond]

Yeah and guess what powers it

[still ember]

T820 not possible but T620 is still possible but anbernic still need better profit margin hence RK3568 chipset.

[autumn pond]

RK3568!

[novel spindle]

Let's goo, Mangmi Pocket Max once again with sd662 chipset but upgraded streaming experience just under 150$ 🥳🥳

[vital brook]

They must have a backlog of this chip from the 405 unsold units

[vital brook]

This will be the meme to close 2025 tbh

[distant sigil]

Also strange take, they have 405v/405m/505. Three whole products tp put the chip in. Doesn't make sense

[vital brook]

All of them are more than $100 also

[deep vector]

Let's go Mangmi with the Exynos

Get Hyped

[novel spindle]

I'll forever kneel to Mangmi if they did so, imagine the memes and lore that we will have

[autumn pond]

exynos crazy bruh

[deep vector]

Or even worse

[distant sigil]

Exynos has RDNA2 graphics tho

I think

[deep vector]

Google Tensor which literally overheats your phone to the point of making it unusable when playing certain games like Genshin

[still ember]

It must be qualcomm snapdragon for the turnip drivers. Simple.

[autumn pond]

Let's GOOOO Mangmi Pocket Max will have the all new RK3568 Chipset! Capable of playing ds on a screen that has only one screen, LETS GO!!! 🥳

[deep vector]

Yeah

Exynos is pretty much exclusive to Samsung Devices

[autumn pond]

real

[novel spindle]

The 144 HZ screen exist just for the show piece and it's a future placeholder - Mangmi 2025, sub 150 Team

[still ember]

Why will retro handheld wanted exynos chipset. it is not great and samsung will charge high.

[deep vector]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[autumn pond]

fo real bro

it was just fake

[vital brook]

The 144HZ screen is to justify the $230 price for the RK3568 Mangmi Pocket Max

[still ember]

Retro handheld companies love allwinner and Rockchip, they produce so many their chipset for android tv box and really make them cheap and also some them can output to TV.

[novel spindle]

We're joking @still ember since you totally missed Mangmi deleting their SOC announcement

[autumn pond]

its gonna be the RK3568

[vital brook]

H700*

[still ember]

I know but maybe they may reveal 2 soc chipsets.

[still ember]

No way

[autumn pond]

Maybe its too expensive for them

[novel spindle]

Yup, it's copium at this point

[distant sigil]

Rockchip doesn't want to sell RK3588, it's sad

[autumn pond]

real brah

[novel spindle]

Could be any scenarios:

• They cooking multiple SKUs.
• They are preparing some time to reveal the full specs.
• Could be the same SOC as we all expected.
• Could be different SOC, higher end than sd865.
• Worse case, they stamped sd662 and call it a day, price sub 150

[autumn pond]

what if its g2

we got fusion out here

[novel spindle]

Fourth case 😉

[vital brook]

What would be worst scenario ? The SD662 ... therefore this is the one we'll get 😆

[fossil iris]

Or they scrap everything and just put the 865 in the mangmi air X and call it pro 😡

[still ember]

S865 vs G2gen2/8gen1+/8gen2/8gen3/G3gen3.
thermal issue soc are S888 and 8gen1.

[vital brook]

Scrap everything and put a Ryzen on it and go after Valve

[distant sigil]

It could be simply that they got called out on naming a 6-year old chip "flagship", so they're changing the slogan

[fossil iris]

Yeah I didn't like that title.

[still ember]

This is what we want all along to launch 140-150 with air x shell. but the dream is gone.

[novel spindle]

They should label it as a "flagship grade retro handheld."

[novel spindle]

Totally 🙁

[still ember]

Yes, S865 is an aging flagship.
Should rename Retro handheld with powerful aging flagship.

[distant sigil]

They'll do it, but not now

[novel spindle]

Sd865, 5.5" screen LCD 60 HZ, price sub 150, it remains just a dream.

[distant sigil]

I'm glad non of you are in marketing

[fossil iris]

• best streaming device , that title would have been much better received

[autumn pond]

h700 bro like cmon

[novel spindle]

24 hours poll, it might get buried under the conversation 😭

[autumn pond]

h700 capable of anything bro

[distant sigil]

H700 sweep!

[vital brook]

If you want GC and PS2 then the H700 gets you covered

[autumn pond]

real

[novel spindle]

I changed my vote too

[autumn pond]

if you want pc gaming or heavy switch, get the RK3568!

[fossil iris]

I see no lies

[vital brook]

The 662 is a bit overkill unless you want to use heavy shaders

[novel spindle]

Let's gooo H700

[vital brook]

Ngl , i love my 34xx with the H700

[distant sigil]

865 < 3568, it's simple math

[deep vector]

Retro Handheld Math

[vital brook]

What are you guys playing atm to wait for the higher end devices ?
I've been finishing some GBA games on my 34xx

[novel spindle]

I just completed PSP God of War: Ghost of Sparta

[still ember]

Where is my favorite A133P chipset used in TSP?

[fossil iris]

Steam sale so I'm eating good, 👍

[novel spindle]

I'm looking forward to complete Metroid Prime 4 Beyond next

[fossil iris]

Shape of dreams, soul stone survivor, megabonk, dreamscaper

Big action rogue lite enjoyer

[vital brook]

I just completed Zero Mission

[still ember]

You love GBA 🙂

[novel spindle]

There's h700, allwinner, and sd662 higher, allwinner should be pretty close to your favorite a133p chip

[vital brook]

Yes 😅 And the handheld form factor makes it such a cool experience to play GBA on it

[novel spindle]

GBA is great, sadly my free nso subscription lasts for only 12 days

[still ember]

Okay. I will try out GBA astro boy on the Mangmi Air X.

[novel spindle]

Modern legal way to play GBA sucks ass

[still ember]

You play GBA on your powerful phone.

[vital brook]

This will be my next too , such a fun game

[novel spindle]

Yup I know but if I opt to choose to play the legal way, it sucks so hard that I'm shocked how they're getting away with it

[violet parrot]

Because people still pay for NSO.

[novel spindle]

Yeah still no Pokemon games only Trading card like WTF

[still ember]

Remember, you need to change some setting in retroarch for simultaneous input. This impact Air X retroarch.

[novel spindle]

Why are we even paying for NSO monthly?

I thought they fixed it and I was wrong completely lol 😆

Imagine trading Pokemon from their GBA NSO to modern switch games, they don't want that and it sucks

[violet parrot]

Do you honestly believe Nintendo would be consumer-friendly company after all the stuff they pulled off?

[still ember]

If you have the original GBA cart like pokemon ruby, u can actually use a special device to convert to rom and play on your retro handheld. This is legal grey area but generally you are doing the right things 🙂

[vital brook]

Yes it needs a bit of tweaking but nothing serious.

[novel spindle]

Umm as a company they suck ass but as a video game developer, they're among the best 🙁

[still ember]

Nintendo usually focus on gameplay over graphics. They are really good games developer.

[novel spindle]

I'll never look into their NSO ever again once my trial subscription is over

[vital brook]

Usually their games age better too because they don't go for realistic graphics

[violet parrot]

Are there good devs at Nintendo? Yes. Are they good company? No.

[novel spindle]

As a company it's fair to say that Nintendo have become EVIL.

[still ember]

Mangmi release a news and within few minutes away delete them. Why are they doing that?

[still ember]

Never evil, profit driven thats all.

[violet parrot]

Actively hindering emulation scene with legal means is not optima, to say the least. But, this is not the place for this type of discussion.

[vital brook]

They got a call from Anbernic and Retroid to abort the launch otherwise ☠️

[novel spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/launch-bouton-gif-20024396

[still ember]

If it open sources emulation and not profit driven, Nintendo may not able to kill all of them. It is like hydras, you chop few heads, they will reappear again.
Anyway, They are busy fighting with Palworlds at this moment.

[vast coral]

damn a lot of talking in here 😄

[still ember]

I think the Mangmi staff who simply mis send the video may get big scolding from mangmi CEO.

[cursive glacier]

we got drama! deleted posts!

[vast coral]

Indeed 😄 and it's nice to see david in here with his weird philosophical takes and his irrational hate to anbernic 😄

[flint quiver]

All the rumors have been correct so far

Only the price is yet to be confirmed

[stray estuary]

A powerful chip is obviously a good thing. However, if this device were equipped with a high-end chip like the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or 8 Gen 3, its price would likely be around $250–$300. The more important issue is whether enough people would be confident enough to spend that much money on a device from a relatively new brand that doesn’t yet have many products to establish trust in its quality

[flint quiver]

Knowing Mangmi it’ll be $170-$180. Beyond that there’s too much competition.

People thought they were crazy with the Air X price but they delivered.

[stray estuary]

$170-$180 include a case 🍻

i will buy it

A screen that good definitely needs proper protection

[distant sigil]

Feels like it'll be 200

With all the ram and nand price hikes

+- $10

[vital brook]

That is good value tbh

[vital brook]

There's zero reason to hate on Anbernic since they deliver excellent price to performance and the CEO is a very humble down to eath guy ( contains sarcasm )

[solemn hollow]

Where?

[vital brook]

Powerplanet Spain has it , but not for imediate shipping

[tough fulcrum]

Get all 3

[slender bear]

David secretly loves Anbernic but also secretly hates magicx at the same time

(He advised Luna not to spend additional $1 on wifi chip because its not worth it)

[cursive glacier]

Luna hates Anbernic as well

[slender bear]

Maybe David is Luna'a alt account

[slender bear]

But she hates almost every other company, I think she actually hates Mangmi more than Anbernic

[solemn hollow]

Made a post on the reddit with the soc and they deleted the post 😂

[autumn pond]

TBF my main priority are like

1. Thor (Its hard to get one locally but if I get one its gon be good)
2. Konkr Pocket Fit (Lwk depends on the shipping time because its damn awful)
3. Odin 3 (Because Turnip drivers arent just at that stage right now)

I usually never see an ayn product sold out locally but the ayn thor was sold out in like a day

[proud vector]

I'm honestly mixed, the only thing that'll utilise the high refresh rate well is streaming

SD865 doesn't quite have enough performance to run mid-end x86 at above ~75fps

And I'm not sure how well BFI will work out for retro systems since the refresh rate isn't a multiple of 60

[daring solstice]

You'll probably have the option to toggle between 60, 120, 144

[proud vector]

That'll save it

144hz streaming on a budget would be amazing though

Through Apollo/Artemis

[dusty rain]

I'm surprised they put in 8gb RAM... still not paying more than $169

[daring solstice]

you have so many devices, why would you need this xD

[vast coral]

why surprised? 😄

[deep vector]

120hz is going to be nice for Black Frame Insertion

[still ember]

FOMO, it is never enough 🙂

[deep vector]

The handheld should allow you to choose what Framerate to play as

[deep vector]

https://tenor.com/view/david-scream-marmot-david-scream-gif-3449357644506545335

[still ember]

Of course, to save battery i rather go for 60HZ for older retro games.

[deep vector]

But I want to play Fortnite at 120hz

[muted panther]

was hoping for this to be cheaper than RP5. but that looks like its not happening

[deep vector]

We'll see

Hopefully we at least have an Early Bird Discount

[muted panther]

but will it ship...?

[stray estuary]

pes2017 will look nice on pocket max

[frail summit]

For 200 or so bucks is iffy to me

Idk if i'm comfortable sacrificing performance of the other chipsets at that price range just for the bigger and nicer screen.

2 SKU COPIUM ACTIVATED

[distant sigil]

Naaaah

[deep vector]

The Glazing is real

https://tenor.com/view/alex-marmot-screaming-squirrel-name-gif-16020589

[deep vector]

Inject it into my veins

[frail summit]

Now it just really hinges on price

[deep vector]

But it's not a Dual Screen device

[frail summit]

200+ and it's over sub 200 and we're so back

[deep vector]

Pretty much

[deep vector]

https://tenor.com/view/rainn-wilson-shh-secret-prank-gif-17131726

[runic lance]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[frail summit]

I think they deleted it

What did they mean by this?

[deep vector]

It means it's now getting an 8 Elite for $450

Get Hyped

[cursive glacier]

Mangmi 8 Elite?

[deep vector]

Mangmi is All Elite

https://tenor.com/view/tony-khan-aew-all-out-all-elite-wrestling-gif-26662845

[vital brook]

Perhaps the Konkr were the friends we made all along

[runic lance]

They might have gotten a load of G2Gen2s after successfully having juggled Qualcomm’s Balls

So new announcement soon

That has to be it

There’s no other explanation

[frail summit]

Man its what I do when im low on cash

Nothing shameful about it

Man's gotta do what man's gotta do to survive

[runic lance]

Either juggle or get juggled

[frail summit]

There's no shame if they had to whore themselves out to Qualcomm

[vast coral]

it is going to be fun when they confirm it is indeed an 865 😄 but we'll see

[cursive glacier]

they pulled it to downgrade to 6gb

[vast coral]

nah it'll be 4gb ram 😄

[frail summit]

Best they can do is 2gb ram

[cursive glacier]

you remind me that the rg34xx sp had 2gb

[frail summit]

If it's an 865 I'll just get something else

Probably the 557 cuz I want to see for myself how GammaOS improves the 8300

[vast coral]

not exactly going to be a disaster, there are plenty of devices on the market 😄

[digital igloo]

I prefer a weaker chip and/or lower ram/storage to lower the price for a streaming only device 🙏

[tough fulcrum]

Has gamma confirmed os coming to the 557? All I've seen has been 477m and 477v

[frail summit]

It should be for all the 8300 devices afaik

[cursive glacier]

might be tonight

in 5-6 hours

[vast coral]

yeah it'll be for them all

[cursive glacier]

https://youtu.be/CCo-CfYJdKo

[tough fulcrum]

Noice

[digital igloo]

Why not a G2 instead of rg557? Similar in raw power to the 8300 with snapdragon compatibility advantage + a screen that is better in colours + pwm frequency

[frail summit]

Well not including the RP6 which is months away now it's the only real stick top option with good performance at its price

I'm back to square one again with choosing the 557 or G2 😅

[vast coral]

the answer is both 😄

[digital igloo]

Or the rp6, or the konkr if you can wait, unless you need the 7" screen

I mean even if you ordered this you will probably have to wait months anyway, based on the air x

[vast coral]

Yeah. I can't imagine any dev cycle with these being completely smooth even without these price hikes

[tough fulcrum]

Really sucks, cause 2025 was such a stellar year and now 2026 might be a barren wasteland

[frail summit]

Yes that's why I wanna get one around next year

[frail summit]

If it takes me that long to buy either the 557 or G2 I plan to default on the 6

[deep vector]

Next batch of RP6 won't be available till March

[frail summit]

I'm aware

Just saying if it takes me too long I'll just get the stick top RP6

[deep vector]

Stick Top is better anyway

8 Gen 2 can do Switch Emulation

And GameHub/Winlator

[frail summit]

We'll just have to see how long it'll take me. I might just say fuck it and get the 6 anyway

[deep vector]

I want to get a 6 but don't want to wait for it

[frail summit]

G2 is available

[deep vector]

I'm aware

[frail summit]

But that's about it. Unless you wanna try your luck with the 8300s

[deep vector]

Also wanted to get the Dual Screen Add-on with them

[tough fulcrum]

Just get a Thor bro

[deep vector]

I had a Thor Max but I sold it

[crystal crow]

I also sold my Thor

I just don’t play dual screen games much

[tough fulcrum]

Wild

That's fair

[deep vector]

I do but I didn't like how the screen didn't line up correctly when playing DS

Also couldn't get anything to run on GameHub

[crystal crow]

This device looks solid. I hope it’s sub $180

The Logitech gcloud we all wanted

[crystal crow]

GammaOS is really nice, d8300 release this week. I think it will make my 477m my primary emulator

[north flower]

Can't believe they're still selling the g cloud for $300

[frail summit]

For the 12GB stick top RP6+screen protector would run me about $310

[frail summit]

That's what I wanna see as well if I get the 557

[deep vector]

I'm surprised by that

[tough fulcrum]

Appropriately valued abxylute one pro

[crystal crow]

My only issue with the 557 is 60hz screen

[deep vector]

The device is great for streaming and is one of the most comfortable Handhelds ever but definitely overpriced

[frail summit]

I didn't include a case since I already have the official 557 case. As for the grip I dont think I'd need it since its a stick top RP6.

[deep vector]

You're not getting the Dual Screen Add-on?

[frail summit]

Already have a 3DS and DSiXL for that

[deep vector]

Yeah but upscaled 3DS is so nice

[frail summit]

Screen hz never really bothered me. I don't think I'd make use of 120hz anyway so 60hz is fine

[frail summit]

Upscaling isnt enough to justify it

I'm fine with how my games look normally

[north flower]

The dual screen attachment is just too janky tbh

[crystal crow]

i like it on the 477m, bfi is wonderful. on a larger screen i'd like it for streaming.

[frail summit]

I don't do BFI or streaming so hz to me is pretty irrelevant. Just a little neat bonus to me.

[north flower]

Can BFI be used for 3d games

[crystal crow]

the d8300 has enough juice to do it for PS2/GC.

[frail summit]

Probably? But ive mainly seen it use for snes or nes

Stuff like that

[crystal crow]

so we will see soon, gamma is coming out this week

the emulators dont support it, but gamma's solution is system-wide

[deep vector]

I don't like Scanlines so I haven't used BFI much

[frail summit]

I wanna see how the battery life improves on the 8300s with GammaOS

[crystal crow]

bfi isnt for scan lines

[frail summit]

Afaik the 8300 just sucks juice

[deep vector]

The CRT look

[crystal crow]

thats crt shader...

[deep vector]

Can you turn it off?

[crystal crow]

?

[deep vector]

Every video I've ever seen about BFI had Scanlines and CRT

[crystal crow]

they're just combining it with a crt shader.

and yes, you can turn it off...

[deep vector]

I've only use it once but didn't mess with it much

[crystal crow]

BFI is literally just inserting a black frame every other frame.

hence, black frame insertion

[dire charm]

Already posted?

[frail summit]

I think so

[dire charm]

Deadfred's

[deep vector]

Yep

[frail summit]

You're awfully late to the party

[deep vector]

Though they deleted it after an hour

Did they repost it?

[crystal crow]

i saw it on reddit

[frail summit]

Gives me hope they might do another SKU

[deep vector]

I know it requires 120hz

[frail summit]

Haven't reposted it or anything

It's still deleted afaik

[dire charm]

Maybe they aren't ready to announce or making a change, it was on Twitter early AM today

[crystal crow]

yeah it requires 120hz so that it can achieve 60fps to the eye.

[frail summit]

Shhhh man. Just let me believ they do another SKU

[deep vector]

They do another SKU but it's D1100 like the Flip 2

[frail summit]

Shit.

[deep vector]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[dire charm]

Pretty stoked on this one either way

[deep vector]

I need to mess with it more then

[crystal crow]

all BFI does is increase motion clarify (reduce motion blur).

and lowers the brightness due to the black frame

[deep vector]

That's what I meant

I'm guessing you can increase the brightness

[crystal crow]

the scanlines, crt bowing etc. those are a different filter.

[frail summit]

I'm not too knowledgeable on GammaOS but would it get around the rooted status of the 8300s? A few android games that I'm interested in might or might not work cuz if it.

[crystal crow]

yes you can adjust the gamma / brightness to compensate

[deep vector]

Cool

Definitely have to do that then

[crystal crow]

yeah, gamma has an exploit.

[frail summit]

Neat

[crystal crow]

wait, i misread that.

i meant he has an exploit to unlock the bootloader on D8300s

[frail summit]

Oooooo

Idk any of these terms I'm so fried 💔

[crystal crow]

well RDR, netflix etc. work on gamma

so I think it'll be okay?

maybe banking apps might not... but lol

[frail summit]

Just wanted to play Minecraft and Terraria mainly. Some gachas here and there. Tomb Raider when it gets ported and maybe Life is Strange.

That's about it.

[crystal crow]

minecraft works on my 476h

on gammaOS

so you should be good

[deep vector]

865 should be able to run all those

[frail summit]

Yes I'm aware

[deep vector]

It would be so funny to see someone use a Handheld to pay for their meal

[frail summit]

But if the PM is priced at $200+ I am not sacrificing performance for a bigger screen

[deep vector]

I don't think most of them have NFC support to begin with

By the time the PM actually releases, Ayn announces the Odin 3 Portal with 8 Elite for $329

[frail summit]

Good thing I don't buy from Ayn

[deep vector]

Sad

Or not

[frail summit]

I have an agenda to maintain

[deep vector]

And what's that?

[frail summit]

No one is truly happy with their Thor or Portal

[deep vector]

Are you like David and secretly love Ayn?

[frail summit]

Not for that long anyways

Its just a psyop and nothing more

[crystal crow]

ive owned 3 portals, and thor twice. i think you're onto something

[obsidian granite]

I don’t about the Portal , most rave about how good it is , not sure about the Thor because I have no interest in that

[obsidian granite]

3 Portals ? I got those know why you went through 3 units now

[frail summit]

It's a psyop. I'm telling you folks. It's all a mind game to make you think you need to buy a Thor or Portal when you're well off with what you already have.

[crystal crow]

first one i hated the buttons. second one had modded buttons but i ditched it in favor of Y700 for streaming. 3rd one I ditched for a pocket Evo, which I ditched for an Astra. Now Astra is my primary streamer / large OLED android device.

[deep vector]

There's never an endgame device

[crystal crow]

yeah i think you have to come to terms that there is no one perfect device. you can narrow it down to a good 2 or 3.

[frail summit]

Maybe the next one will be endgame

[deep vector]

One of the other things I didn't like about the Thor was it didn't have an 8 Elite

Which I wouldn't mind but they announced the Odin 3 at the same time

[deep vector]

Obviously there's never going to be such a device because Moore's Law

Granted you can argue Moore's Law is dead

[frail summit]

Nah

[crystal crow]

i've found I like streaming and playing PC games on a big screen. so i've got the Astra for streaming and a Lego S for native gaming. and I like having a portable machine for on-the-go, currently its a 476h but i just got a deal on a 477m.

[deep vector]

Point is that there will always be a better device due to how fast technology progresses

[frail summit]

What if I told you whatever device I get will be my endgame

[crystal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/id-have-called-you-a-liar-liar-fabricator-falsifier-cheater-gif-13065224

[deep vector]

What if you watch Avengers Endgame on it?

Would that make it the Endgame device?

[frail summit]

Ive got a 12.1" tablet for that

[crystal crow]

just get a steam deck

[frail summit]

Plus im only after ps2 gc and wii upscaled as the main priority everything else is just a bonus

[deep vector]

I recently bought the SteamOS Legion Go S

[frail summit]

Too big, dont care about pc games, I dont play pc games

[crystal crow]

good choice. i love mine 🙂

[deep vector]

Like the Steam Deck but want more power

It's the Z1 Extreme one as well

[crystal crow]

yeah bestbuy had a killer sale on them

[deep vector]

Would get the Legion Go 2 but it's double the price so I can't justify it

[crystal crow]

i think open box was like $530

[worn bay]

Wii...

[deep vector]

I bought it from the Lenovo site

They had a deal this weekend where they give an extra 5% off on top of the discount

[daring solstice]

I do hope they offer multiple skus or managed to get their hands on G2 chips

[daring solstice]

Cause the G2 chips in this would be mega hype

[frail summit]

G2 chip and I'm out there

[crystal crow]

g2 and under $200

over $200 and bleh

[frail summit]

Nah a G2 and im fine with it being 200+

[hidden ember]

G2 and I’ll be first in line to pre order

[daring solstice]

Tbh, even over 200, the G2 chips would be fine. Its basically an Odin 2 Portal lite at that point

[deep vector]

I've had mixed reception with Open Box devices

A lot of time they'll be missing items like the charger

Despite being labeled as Excellent

Which should have it included

[north flower]

$220 and a g2 would be 👌

Probably shouldn't get hopes up though

If they had a g2 I feel like they would've led with that

[daring solstice]

Im not getting my hopes up too much

[frail summit]

Unless

[deep vector]

The Copium is strong

[deep vector]

https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/s/WWcWKt0W50

I await the Twilight Princess Android Port

[worn bay]

Waiter waiter, more gamecube android ports please

[north flower]

https://tenor.com/view/green-light-dank-dank-alert-bonusly-dank-bonusly-gif-11942595

[deep vector]

Technically Twilight Princess already has an Android port but it's exclusive to Chinese Nvidia Shield

I'm surprised no one has tried to get those to work on other devices

[worn bay]

Looked it up but I couldn't "find" much about it outside of it and nsmbw being heavily locked to the shield

[deep vector]

There was multiple Nintendo games ported to the Shield

But it was only available to Chinese Shield TVs

[worn bay]

Yeah, I got that far

Rip mario kart wii

[deep vector]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdxM7K2B0MteYfYk2atw4DeOJsefesaTo&si=PW40W8DO_mq5uv0X

[mystic jetty]

I just saw the 865 chip is confirmed. I guess with the ram stuff going on, this will likely be 200 or over

[frail summit]

Probably

[mystic jetty]

With that screen, possibly 220

[frail summit]

Idk if the screen specs is worth it over performance. There are other devices at that price range that mog the 865.

[frail summit]

I'm guessing low 200s so 210 or 220

[obsidian granite]

Is mog good or bad ?

[frail summit]

Bad for the 865

[obsidian granite]

I have no clue what people use for slang anymore

Im not even that old

[frail summit]

Abandon all alt SKU hope

It's over

[deep vector]

Lmao

[obsidian granite]

Im probably not that much older than you

[frail summit]

10 years older than me

[deep vector]

They started advertising it as a Streaming device because they saw us complain

[frail summit]

And thats the minimum

[deep vector]

That's pretty funny

[obsidian granite]

Doubt it unless your 12 years old

[frail summit]

10 years older than me minimum

[tough fulcrum]

Mog means btfo

[obsidian granite]

I’ll be honest it’s the first time hearing this maybe because IM not originally from the USA

[north flower]

No it means this

[tough fulcrum]

mogging is just like showing something up or being better than something, but like in a very obvious and extreme way. not a competetion, but a beat down

[frail summit]

To tie back to what I originally said, the 865 gets mogged by other devices if priced at 200

[frail summit]

Like the 8 gen 2, G2 gen 2, 8300

[obsidian granite]

Got it , I need to hit the streets to learn this new slang

[frail summit]

Live example of someone getting mogged

[obsidian granite]

It will be fine with a SD 865 if its priced decently

[frail summit]

That's like the only reason I'll pick it up

If priced nicely

[hidden ember]

If they keep up with the slow drip (every 48 hour) marketing at this point I think most people will lose interest.

[tough fulcrum]

Someone check on David, single sku news is gonna hit him hard

[frail summit]

David rn

[north flower]

Thank you John Mangmi

That tells me a lot

$150 early bird $200 retail

[tough fulcrum]

If it's $150 I'll get 2

[deep vector]

I just hope early bird is under $200

[hidden ember]

If that’s the case then I’m in. Also have to wonder if AYN will reduce the price of the portal to compete and clear inventory

[tough fulcrum]

different chipset so I doubt it

also can't hurt margins too much because RAM is going insane

[frail summit]

If priced right I'll pick one up

I just hope the 865 will suffice for the amount of dicking around I'll be doing

[hidden ember]

I have a Retroid pocket 5. Does basically everything I want but I wish the screen was larger

[stray estuary]

me too

[dusty rain]

yeah, 7 year old flagship tho

[frail summit]

Can still do upscaled ps2 gc and wii

That's enough for a lot of people

[dusty rain]

true

[tough fulcrum]

it may be a 7 year old chip, but I'm playing 25 year old games, it's fine

[deep vector]

My issue is will it be priced like a 7 year old chip

Or will it be priced like a more current one

[frail summit]

The screen is the main selling point. The processor isnt bad by any means but it's just enough.

[steel spoke]

Man I'd be happy with the 865...

atleast its not a RK3568

[runic lance]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-gif-25652576

@north flower

[north flower]

Oh wait hold on

That is the same picture

https://tenor.com/view/trump-wow-telling-me-now-first-time-surprised-gif-1695387857546901797

[steel spoke]

It's honestly been kinda funny... Not too long ago it was "I wouldn't mind spending more money if only it had a snapdragon chip of some kind"... Now it's "Only a peasant level 865? Ehhhhhh"

[late pike]

The price will be the deciding factor

[still ember]

It should be around 170-180 i hope. 🙏

[flint quiver]

The price will be less than $180.
Otherwise this is DOA.

All other rumors were true so the price rumor will likely be true.

[distant sigil]

Looks like I was right, they wanted to change the slogan because sd865 is not flagship

[distant sigil]

🚨🚨🚨Wrong!🚨🚨🚨

It's gonna be fine at 200 honestly. 180 would be the dream territory

[cursive glacier]

early bird will be a good price but extremely limited, it’s their marketing style

they pulled this shit in China, 50 units early bird or something

[novel spindle]

If early bird units => 50, it would sold out completely. Not a chance we get to secure the early bird for ourselves.

[cursive glacier]

I think the China launch early bird was 50 units per color (150 units total), 71 usd shipped

then it increased +$8-9

I could be wrong

[narrow heart]

They’ve learned their lesson

Early bird this time definitely won’t be limited in quantity

[still ember]

No it will be the same 5 days of unlimited early birds.
With the early birds collection, they can get supplier to lower material and production ( Economic of Scale ) and this way their profit margin still maintain.

[vast coral]

we can hope so, anyway 😄

[slender bear]

It will be such a good deal of its indeed ~$150 for early bird

[frail summit]

Best I can do is $180 EB

[slender bear]

To be honest I dont need it at all, but I couldnt say no if its 150-170 EB 😉

[frail summit]

I don't have any of these device yet but I have my doubt about the PM

It really depends on how it's priced retail for me. EB doesn't matter to me since I doubt I'd be able to get it in time.

[still ember]

But early bird always can get offer of a lifetime.
like early bird rp6 is only 209 !!!
This price will never be as low as this especially with the ram storage.

If you really wanted this device for your use case, just dont miss the early bird.

[frail summit]

I doubt I'd be able to get it in time so I'm focused mainly on the retail

[vast coral]

in time for what?

[frail summit]

For the early bird pricing

[vast coral]

ah fair 😄 well we can wait and see

[still ember]

Its okay if you dont mind to pay the extra. But Mangmi hint that the retail maybe much higher than early bird.

[vast coral]

atm we just speculating, so best we wait on them for official info on whats happening 😄

[frail summit]

Here's the crux of my issue with the Pocket Max: If priced at around the low 200s lets say $220 retail, around that price you have things like the the RP6 with the 8 gen 2, the RPG2 with the G2 Gen 2, and a handful of Anbernic 8300s.

At that price I don't think the screen is nice enough as a selling point to trade off the performance you could get in other devices.

[still ember]

You are right on the point. Hope Mangmi pay attention to this. If they can release early bird as 170-180 then it is really value/performance for this handheld. But at 200 and above, I dont really think it is really not that great. Yes, the final mystery. what is the launch price !!!

Best will be early bird 170, retail 190. But whether this pricing is possible for Mangmi to be profitable.

[vital brook]

They may still make it "affordable" for this model , say $180 which is a great value. This handheld is to fund their real high end one that may come in 2026 btw

[frail summit]

180 retail?

If so that's spectacular but if it's to fund their high end one at the end of next year I won't be in the market by then

[vital brook]

Could be tbh Their first handheld was very , very great value. I feel they want to climb the leader fast and reach Retroid , they announced this a few months after the Air X , i think in 5 months they will announce something stronger

[still ember]

Launch of Air X got some teething issues.
Some complain about
Light bleed ( oled pocket max wont happen)
right triggers issue,
Fan for some users noisy
and also dpad and buttons quite 'sticky'
Pocket Max must launch at the right price that it will reach their Sales target.
Secondly, They must ensure that they deliver a near perfect devices with no hardware issue.
Ensure that android 14/15 will be great.

[dusty rain]

it's a SD865, there is only a Android 11 build for it, at least if Qualcomm isn't providing them the same access Retroid got... and even them they don't have a working build out of the door

and Retroids build is on Android 13, so I don't think 14/15 are even something to consider here

[still ember]

S865 cannot upgrade to android 14. ??

but Air X is android 14 out of the box?

[obsidian granite]

SD 662 is a few years newer

[dusty rain]

it's from January 2020, the 865 is from December 2019...

so technically both officially support Android 11 and at best

honestly some Chinese products run Android 14 on the most shody old chipsets... so who knows what Mangmi is gonna pull

we bullied Retroid into putting the work in to have the RP5 not on Android 11

we don't know yet what Mangmi will do

[still ember]

Will there be any issue for Pocket Max if it is only android 13 instead of android 14/15. any drm issues, new android app cannot run or other issues.

[dusty rain]

most stuff is still on Android 13, so I wouldn't really call it an issue for the next few years

[still ember]

Honestly, is it better to have android 14/15 over android 13 for future proof. And there may be some pocket of android that may need android 14/15?

But Android 11 thats abit too old.

[dusty rain]

if Mangmi has a software guy it will probably be a similar Android build to the Air X... so 14

15 is very unlikely

[fossil iris]

Yeah, its not a bad product just a bad slogan. Since its now confirmed to be 865 only. Lean into it. Still think pricing is key, 189 retail would great since RP5 and Flip2 are 865 devices around that area (179-199)

early bird 169 hopefully. But I think its gonna be pricier :X

[distant sigil]

Rp5 is 199 and has smaller screen

I kinda doubt it's less than 199

Going to be 199 early, 219 regular, I think

[fossil iris]

at 210 its competing with chips almost double its performance (70~%) and I doubt the streaming market is that big.

with the economy right now and going into 2026 people are squeezing their wallets for more value oriented purchases. The performance to give up is large enough to sway people away imo

[stray estuary]

Anyway, there’s still no official info yet. I’ll be the biggest dreamer here — I’m even dreaming of a $150 price

[distant sigil]

It's not just for streaming

I think people have amnesia or something, forgetting that rp5 can basically do anything besides gamehub and high-end switch games

[vast coral]

It's funny when people just think now the 865 is bad xD

[fossil iris]

its not bad, its just the alternatives' performance at the same price bracket is overwhelmingly huge

[distant sigil]

There's a new shiny toy that can play your pirated switch games a bit better, cool. There's more demand for Retro Emulation + Streaming 7" handheld than for Retro Emulation + Switch emulation 5.5" handheld

[stray estuary]

The 865 is still very good. However, price-to-performance is the key issue. Where I live, a brand-new RP5 is around $200, while the Odin 2 Portal base is about $300. The Portal only costs about one-third more than the RP5, but the performance is nearly double. It can run many more PC and Switch games, and its screen and battery are also far superior.

[vast coral]

I'm not disagreeing with that 🙂

[distant sigil]

Can you link me that base 2 portal

I don't doubt, it's just been out of production for some time 😄

[stray estuary]

There’s no link. It’s just a reseller listing, but the device is brand new and still factory sealed

[deep vector]

Alex is Glazing Mangmi again

https://tenor.com/view/alex-marmot-screaming-squirrel-name-gif-16020589

I hope you're getting paid for this

[distant sigil]

If you're looking for price-to-performance, why would you look at a handheld with 7" 144hz oled display, is my question. I'm just beig sceptical of the whole $150-170 early bird thing

[vast coral]

How dare he use logic, clearly a paid chatter

[fossil iris]

The steaming market hasn't had a premium device at a low enough cost with the 1 touch software solution. MAYBE with Stardesk it might expand as that looks to have potential. Tbf the ps portal sold well against expectations. But moonlight artemis isn't as easy to setup

[deep vector]

"Just get a Steam Deck"

[vital brook]

A month ago it was Retroid's staple and every reviewer out there praised it as " THE "PS2 handheld. Now it's suddenly trash

[deep vector]

No one is saying it's trash. People just don't want to overpay for weaker hardware.

[vital brook]

Let's see how they price it , if it goes full competitive mode against the RP5 then it's a win

[fossil iris]

Well simplicity of use is also important. If not the BC250 would be the budget goat but you need to go through hoops to make it work decently. 🤣

[distant sigil]

Masterful bait, I almost typed out a whole paragraph as an answer, but managed to stop last second

[frail summit]

The 865 isn't the problem per se it's just if priced at around 220 retail I'm not sure if that 7" screen is nice enough to warrant the loss in performance

220 bucks that's 8 Gen 2 or G2 Gen 2 money.

[distant sigil]

If you wanted a 5.5" handheld in the first place, then you should obviously go for RP g2/6

If Mangmi had 5.5" screen on this thing, I would expect $170 maybe (pre ram shortage)

Add $20 for the bigger screen and $20 for increased ram price

It's fine to have options at $200-$230. One with bigger screen, one with higher fps in android games

[vast coral]

best if we wait until we get full specs. Battery size etc matters too.

[still ember]

First, Air X is
mid tier S662 chipset
5.5 inches display 1080p
at 75 dollar early bird.
When Mangmi released this devices, practically no handhelds could match this price point ( pocket mini come close )
Therefore Mangmi Pocket Max
must also sell at a price point that is similar to Air X.
Meaning that no one can match.
If they launch at 200 dollar early bird
They will be similarly compare rpg2 (199) and rp6 (209) although they have 5.5 inches but they have far better processor. It made them not a great device to buy. This will definitely decrease their sale volume and lose their earlier momentum from Air X.
Mangmi need to launch at the correct. if launch around 170, definitely it will be more impactful.

[vast coral]

aw I've missed his oddly philosophical stances

[frail summit]

With the specs the PM has I don't think they can replicate the Air X pricing

They put all their cards on the screen 1st everything else second. They have to make that money back somehow.

[still ember]

Is Mangmi choosing right path with this ( focus on PC streaming device ) value proposition is that comparison of devices will happen whether people will choose Mangmi pocket max over the other devices. Retro handheld is really a tough market. I believe some will buy Mangmi Pocket Max, but will the sales volume be high ( like Air X)

[obsidian granite]

It's a great idea but I think you might be wrong on this ( I want you to be right )
This is supposedly their flagship handheld so far and with RAM prices going crazy plus OLED screen expecting the same budget starting price might be an little wishful thinking

Also if they just wanted to focus on streaming they probably could of went with a cheaper SD

Personally waiting for a Air X Pro or whatever the next upgrade is

[dusty rain]

I hope for $160, otherwise this becomes uninteresting really fast

at closer to $200, people should consider the Portal instead

[frail summit]

We're looking at maybe 180 if they're generous with EB and about 200 minimum retail

[obsidian granite]

Isn't the portal like $400 now ? That's like double the price

[dusty rain]

I mean it may be still a better alternative to the Logitech and ABXYLUTE, in terms of price, screen and performance

[obsidian granite]

[frail summit]

Its 329

[still ember]

In short, will Mangmi has a great Sale figures with Pocket Max selling at 200 dollar ( early bird)?

[dusty rain]

$299 for the base

[frail summit]

Probably less if you use the 30 bucks off code

[frail summit]

That's still like 100 bucks more if you count shipping

[obsidian granite]

Is it ? Last I checked they only had the top tier model available for $399

[frail summit]

That's a lot

[vast coral]

wishful thinking is a nice way to say delusional i guess 😄

[dusty rain]

true it is $100 more, but the jump from an 865 to an 8g2 is vast and worth it

[frail summit]

Atp just get the RP6 since its in the same ballpark

[dusty rain]

so if you aren't strictly buying it for streaming, the Portal is way more attractive

that is also an option yeah

[frail summit]

If you care for the screen that much is when Id recommend the Portal

But if you're chasing 8 gen 2 performance the RP6 is just that

[obsidian granite]

Portal base shows sold out with only the Pro and Max models going for $399-$499

[frail summit]

They've been sold out for a bit

[dusty rain]

nah, they had the base in stock not too long ago

guess they didn't assemble too many

[obsidian granite]

I'm just going with what is says on AYN"s own website

[still ember]

Remember, Mangmi is still a new company trying to establish their brand. Are they able to do well to survive this retro handheld business? They need to compete with ayn, retroid, ayaneo and
anbernic.

[obsidian granite]

They also need to make a profit or they wont be in business long

[still ember]

Of course.

They cannot be like anbernic create RG slide where practically no one buy.

[mystic jetty]

"must"? 😂😂😂😂😂

I'm loving that the price debate is still going on

$220 take it or leave it

[tough fulcrum]

it's about the only thing left that isn't revealed yet, so I get it

[mystic jetty]

Yeah it makes sense, enjoying the back and forths on what they should price at

[still ember]

Yes, I agree. Therefore it is a fine line to draw as they target Sale volume with slimer profit margin as they did it with Air x.

[mystic jetty]

I bet someone from mangmi is reading all this too, perhaps

[tough fulcrum]

there is someone in the Mangmi discord who responds occasionally, so they're at least seeing feedback there

feedback is the wrong word, speculation

hopes and dreams, if you will

[mystic jetty]

We have come a long way, from my first purchase of a 351MP at $140....

[vast coral]

great entertainment isn't it 😄 I'm curious on battery size too

It's clear magmi must seek guidance by the dazzling Lord david if they're going to survive

[frail summit]

I mean its a bigger device so I'm guessing 6000mAh and up

[mystic jetty]

They "MUST"!! 🤣

[mystic jetty]

With a 7inch display, you'd hope something atleast 6000MaH, closer to even 7000mah

Need those silicon carbon batteries thats in those new phones with 6-7.5k mah

[tough fulcrum]

Gotta keep it budget, you'll get some electrodes and it's bring your own potato time

[distant sigil]

Rpg2 is 220, rp6 is 230, you're 20 bucks off

[frail summit]

What the fuck am I gonna do with a potato smaller than an apple

[vast coral]

david being wrong about something? I am shocked

[tough fulcrum]

power your device with it? you mustve been the paper volcano kid

[distant sigil]

David will crash out when this thing launches at 200

[frail summit]

Fuck

Like I dont get what is so hard to understand

[vast coral]

I'm thinking perhaps 170 early bird, 200 retail? maybe?

[frail summit]

The screen IS the selling point even at 200 bucks where else are you gonna find a 7" 144hz OLED

[distant sigil]

Only anbernic does 20 dollar early bird bonuses, others usually do 10

[frail summit]

Its for people who want decent performance as well as the big screen

[vast coral]

They mentioned something about a significant pre order discount as opposed to retail but true

[tough fulcrum]

retroid did $20

[distant sigil]

200 retail, 190 eb, is like the best case possible for this handheld, and what mangmi will probably do

[frail summit]

That's the best case

[distant sigil]

During rp4 or earlier?

[tough fulcrum]

RP6

[distant sigil]

Rp6 was only $10 off

Well, not anymore lol

[tough fulcrum]

RP6 pre-order was $209, now it's $229

[distant sigil]

No, it was 219

Wait no

I was wrong

[tough fulcrum]

I know /s

[distant sigil]

What the hell is going in there then lol

They had 3 handhelds at essentially the sae price

It's even weirder than I thoughtt

[tough fulcrum]

RP6 was $209, G2Gen2 was $219, now RP6 is $229

[distant sigil]

Ok

[tough fulcrum]

RP5 has a constant sale on now to bring it below 200

[distant sigil]

Yep

[tough fulcrum]

but it's $185 now

[frail summit]

Have you ever considered that Retroid isn't the brightest

[distant sigil]

On AliExpress or site coupons?

[tough fulcrum]

site

[distant sigil]

Ok if they can go to 185 I believe mangmi can go to 180 limited time, maybe

[tough fulcrum]

oh no, they just still have their black friday sales page up lol, no idea if the coupon is still active

not valid anymore, just the expired advertisement lol

[distant sigil]

180-190 is basically best case, 200 is good, and anything above is not going to happen (I'm only talking about EB prices)

Just my gut feeling

[vast coral]

I cannot wait for the david crashout essays when we get the price reveal 😄

[mystic jetty]

I wish it was Oled. Then it'd definitely be 230+

[mystic jetty]

Ping me if I miss it, coz i really don't wanna Miss that

[frail summit]

It is oled dawg

[tough fulcrum]

idk, there was an early leaker that said 7" screen, snapdragon 865, and $150. idk if I believe the $150, but they were right about the other 2 so I'm gonna hold out hope sub $200

[vast coral]

You won't, we'll probably get one daily for months

[mystic jetty]

Wait what I thought it was an lcd panel

[fair jackal]

nope

[distant sigil]

oled 7" 144hz, it's the same screen as Odin 2 portal

[tough fulcrum]

nope, oled 144hz

[frail summit]

Its an oled

[mystic jetty]

Holy moly

I may actually consider selling my rp5 for this now...

[frail summit]

I mean idk if I would.

Granted I dont have any of these devices

So anything would suffice

[mystic jetty]

I can get 200$ for the rp5 today though

[novel spindle]

I fear he might grow up to become Mangmi hater 😆

[mystic jetty]

Heck I could get £200 for my rp5 today

[frail summit]

I might get one as well.The retroGB color is really sweet

[vast coral]

because our reseller market here is awful 😄 xD

[mystic jetty]

Yeah England really sucks for this stuff 😂😂

I see £400+ for odin 2 😂😂

[vast coral]

thors are fucking reselling for £400 odd atm 😄

i dont blame them tho

[mystic jetty]

If someone will pay it, I see nothing wrong

Holy shit

That's 830$ folks

[tough fulcrum]

fuck, brexit really meant brexit

[frail summit]

Fuck outta here

[mystic jetty]

Yeah it's insane here sometimes

Droix can be just as bad

[still ember]

You have to be clear
early bird prices must be compare
rpg2 (EB) 199 vs Pocket Max (EB) 200 vs rp6 (EB) 209

[frail summit]

All they've done so far is hint that the EB is gonna be sweeter than the retail

[ionic tartan]

It's not 209 no more

229

[frail summit]

We dont know exactly what that means since we dunno the retail

[mystic jetty]

Ram prices affected their EB prices I'm sure

[frail summit]

Most definitely

[still ember]

You cannot compare rpg2 retail price now with pocket max EB.
User will think the value proposition to determine whether are they buying the devices.

[frail summit]

Odin 3 Ultra got stung, The RP6 EB got stung who's to say the same won't happen to Mangmi?

[mystic jetty]

Indeed we can't compare as there is no price to compare

[ionic tartan]

At least you would get 7 inch 144hz with good ergo with much balanced nice chip

[mystic jetty]

Kinda wanna see a high early bird price just for Davids reaction

[still ember]

Maybe Mangmi release their sequel is really at a wrong time frame.

[tough fulcrum]

people will compare the prices that exist at the time they are buying. if it's early bird Mangmi vs retail Retroid, that's gonna be the comparison

[frail summit]

Yea the chipset its pretty good on its own

Its when you start comparing it to other chips and price range is when shit gets messy

[ionic tartan]

Also it's crazy to compare a device that 5'5 inch vs 7 inch handheld

Maybe it's me idk

[tough fulcrum]

no it's not? some people are going to prefer a 5.5 and some will prefer a 7,

that's kind of the whole point of shopping, is to compare and buy the best fit for you

[frail summit]

Personally speaking you don't appreciate the bigger screens until you have them

[frail summit]

It very much is

[still ember]

I also hope that Mangmi will continue to do well.
Will the release of 200 dollar EB prices will help them for the Sale volumes.

[frail summit]

The only other 7" are about 100 bucks more if the PM is sold 200 retail

[frail summit]

Yes

Literally yes. People will still buy it at 200 bucks since other big screen options are hundreds more.

[ionic tartan]

You ain't lying tho

[mystic jetty]

I was happy with my rp5 screen until I got my fold 7 and started playing Gamehub on that...

Now I kinda want a 7"

Display I mean

👀

[frail summit]

Yea I have something similar but with a 12.1" tablet

[mystic jetty]

It's always cold in my country, I can fit a steam deck in my jacket pocket

[frail summit]

I dont use it often but every time I do I'm thinking "man this is nice."

[mystic jetty]

I feel ya. Was extremely tempted in getting the redmagic astra mini tablet (9")

[vast coral]

the astra looks gorgeous with that oled and elite

no sd card slot tho 🙁

[still ember]

Will hope that Mangmi can capture this niche where people want big screen ( not pocketable)
but aging capable soc ( s865) ?

[frail summit]

865 can so do upscaled PS2 and some Switch so it's no slouch

It's also supported with mature drivers iirc

You'd be surprised how much you can run on it on the Switch side of things.

Also 865=Rocknix so Xbox is on the table as well

[vast coral]

nono, 865 is dead now according to these people 😄

[frail summit]

Assuming performance is better than it was a year ago

[frail summit]

Well since Retroid made it cool to have an 8 Gen 2 at around 200 bucks I can't blame them for thinking that

[digital igloo]

Is there any significant difference in average decoding time for streaming via moonlight on rocknix compared to Artemis on android?

[tough fulcrum]

Yeah I went and bought a 12" tablet and it's amazing for reading and shows

[frail summit]

It really is great for those

[tough fulcrum]

I'm just waiting on a case to arrive because I constantly feel like I'm going to drop it. It's so slick

[frail summit]

My mom found the tablet I have on the side of the road ✌️

[tough fulcrum]

Sturdy

[frail summit]

It had a case already

Now that I think it about it, it likely belonged on an Ipad baby

[tough fulcrum]

My case should arrive today, screen protector arrived yesterday. So thanks Amazon for not packaging those together

[mystic jetty]

That's actually what kinda killed it for me, that and the supposed awful speakers

[frail summit]

It had kids game on it and the case it already had on was pretty kid looking

[mystic jetty]

Still shocks me. Nothing has slowed down that I've personally wanted to play. Mk8, monster hunter, odyssey, prince of persia etc

[frail summit]

Here it is for reference

[frail summit]

I wanna try SMTV on it but I just know it won't work

[mystic jetty]

Running hades and sea of stars full speed on Gamehub too, tomb raider and elder scrolls perfectly playable.

[mystic jetty]

The 3ds game? Doesn't that run on a rp4+?

I'm certain it'll work on a rp5

[frail summit]

Thats SMT4

SMT 5 is on Switch

[mystic jetty]

Oh my bad

[frail summit]

I already have SMT4 on my 3DS

[mystic jetty]

I can dl it try it on Eden later, see how it runs

[frail summit]

I don't have much confidence

[still ember]

S865 chipset
can support 90-95 percent of ps2
greater percentage for GC/3DS.
the only comparison is
switch/gamehub
between S865 vs G2/8Gen2.

[frail summit]

I already have the Vengeance version downloaded on my phone so I can test it out on a device or an actual Switch

[mystic jetty]

Maybe as Eden develops more, when version 4 is properly out

[frail summit]

Vengeance takes about 14gbs iirc so it takes up a lot of storage. I'm pretty sure on Eden you have to keep the games on the internal.

[still ember]

Yes, Eden and Maybe Citron Emulator are improving switch emulation.

[mystic jetty]

I'll double check this, I'm sure my Eden games are on the micro sd but I could be wrong

[frail summit]

Might've confused it for Gamehub

But on one of these high end emulators you need to have games and stuff like that on the internal storage

[mystic jetty]

Gamehub is indeed interal only 🙁

[still ember]

Yes, Gamehub may need internal storage and also texture package may also need internal storage.

but pocket max still got 128G just use them wisely. put most of your other game like switch, ps2 on micro sd. reserve most your internal storage for gamehub and apps.

Merry Christmas everyone.
Hope the ram shortage issue will soon be over.

[frail summit]

I saw someone get it running on an 8+ gen 1 which is more powerful than the 865 but not by much according to benchmarks

So I have some hope

[still ember]

8+gen 1 is much more powerful than S865 chipset.

and antutu benchmark is way ahead

[distant sigil]

my favourite ps2 game

[mystic jetty]

Perhaps, but my rp5 in real world testing was very close to the performance I got on my 8+ gen 1 chip so....

[steel spoke]

Depending on how cheap it could be an amazing streaming handheld lol

[frail summit]

Show of ✋️ how many people do streaming here?

[north flower]

I've had mid experiences with streaming, I would really only get this for big psp

[daring solstice]

Big widescreen Gamecube and PS2 for me

[steel spoke]

I've done some

[deep vector]

So basically very few people actually use streaming

[worn bay]

I heard apollo/artemis are good but never bothered to get that set up

[tough fulcrum]

it's hard for me to get into streaming, because how many games do I want to play on my couch, but not also outside my house? If I start a game on my handheld, I want to be able to finish it wherever my handheld is

[worn bay]

I'm kind of the opposite. Using Nintendont on the wii u made me like locally streaming games to a device, but I also hate cloud gaming, so it's more about not being cooped up at a desk or in front of a tv.

Very situational

[steel spoke]

Or just knowing that I'll be distracted lol

[still ember]

You know what is logo for
pocket max is
retro.android.streaming
they should change
retro.android.pc and media streaming.

[frail summit]

I think the retro.android.streaming suffices

That's what they're mainly targeting with the Pocket Max

[still ember]

I use to have a phone 7 inches 1080p at 16:9 aspect ratio.
watch movies is really great.
This really is the other benefits that 7 inches handheld and above can bring.
media streaming.

[timber gulch]

Interesting device sort of a rp5 portal.The chip is fine all depends on price.Could be a very good streaming device on top of everything else.

[still ember]

Yes it is fusion of 3 handheld
first handheld rp5 (S865 soc)
2nd handheld odin 2 portal
( 7 inches oled screen size )
3rd handheld konkr fit
( ergonomic, add 144 hz refresh rate ) ( Mangmi rumours ex-ayaneo staff )
Mangmi Pocket Max basically you getting 3 in 1 solution.

[narrow heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXZweipAVK4

Modular swappable abxy buttons and dpad (choose between rubber membrane and micro switch)

[solemn hollow]

Sweet!

[frail summit]

It's neat but also really weird

[solemn hollow]

All of this, I really wish they put something like G2 on this

https://youtu.be/9LEakL9hK-E?si=Ct9DssIFrplt1NPh

[frail summit]

Then the cost would be like 250 minimum

[solemn hollow]

Check this out

[frail summit]

I'll take the 865

[solemn hollow]

Yeah but would have future proofed this device, would have stuck with it for a few years.

[frail summit]

No point in future proofing in this scene

Things change and improve at the drop of a hat

[solemn hollow]

Wouldn't you drop 50 bucks more to a 200 dollar purchase if it gives you double the performance?

[frail summit]

For my needs, no

The 865 is sufficient for me

[solemn hollow]

Fair enough

[digital igloo]

The modular buttons have both Nintendo and Xbox layout?

Hope it won't add too much to the cost and affect reliability (there are people who have random issues with the modular stuff on ayaneo 3)

[twin bough]

How much

My guess is $199

[vast coral]

Yeah modular stuff does add to the logistics issue

[narrow heart]

Default config will come with rubber membrane

Mechanical micro switch dpad and abxy buttons will be available as optional accessories

[frail summit]

Confirmed by Darren Mangmi himself

[cursive glacier]

I got confused and thought this was for swapping to Dpad top

[frail summit]

It's not

It looks like you can't swap the joysticks

[cursive glacier]

seems pointless

[frail summit]

In all honesty it seems gimmicky to me

[cursive glacier]

I like abxy as microswitches but not paying extra for it

[frail summit]

Like if it's to swap out the Xbox layout to the Nintendo layout thats done with tap of an option from the top down menu

Not whatever this is

They are trying to pump this thing full of features and honestly I don't think I'll make use out of most of them

[cursive glacier]

David Mangmi basically took inspiration from KTR1S and Z1 Unicorn on this feature

with sprinkle of Ayaneo

[frail summit]

Ayaneo is the one that came to mind since they did this on one of their devices iirc

[cursive glacier]

I think killing this feature and having microswitches as default is fine

I think it was the Ayaneo 3?

had changeable everything

[frail summit]

One of them had modular buttons

[deep vector]

Modular Buttons is going to make this pricey

[nocturne mulch]

hmmm with this i don't really see if they can achieve 199$ msrp

more like 220-230 now

[deep vector]

Maybe Early Bird

[frail summit]

Thats what im guessing is the retail

I've already lost hope on sub 200 outside of the early bird

Anymore than 220 or 230 and I'm just not buying it

[twin bough]

6 button layout?

[vital brook]

It is a gimmick , they want to show innovation / quality. I think their third handheld will be great tbh

[still ember]

No it is not gimmick, Air X face some problem with dpad and buttons issues. With this modular approach, Mangmi just send the replacement easily.
Secondly, the Xbox button layout is different from Switch layout. So you do not need to be confuse button layout.

[frail summit]

Fellas

[solemn hollow]

I just hope that doesn't translate to significantly higher unit costs.

[frail summit]

Darren Mangmi is a girl

I know absolutely breaking news

[solemn hollow]

Damn, Juggle my balls

[frail summit]

I know i couldn't believe it either

[vast coral]

The modular stuff makes me concerned about the shipping. More skus and formats usually means a bigger risk of delays

unless it's just a modular kit

[frail summit]

Its only 1 sku

They told me about it when I asked if they were gonna do another SKU with a better chipset and they said they had no plans to

[vast coral]

ah fair, if its just an additional kit with the orders then fair enough

[frail summit]

It's just a modular thing. I imagine they're gonna be accessories you can buy

[slender bear]

The modular stuff actually made me less excited about it

[vital brook]

I hope this becomes the norm for them on future releases

[vital brook]

It's a cool gimmick , both for tech proof but also customization

[sturdy dove]

Gimmick introduces additional cost

Now I am far more less excited about it

[still ember]

To me it is not gimmick, it should be future on how mid tier handheld should do able to replace spoilt buttons and dpad easily.

https://youtube.com/shorts/CXZweipAVK4

[sturdy dove]

Design intention is good, but no people need it unless someone’s device has spoilt button

Business models that built upon a hardware failure to operate like a repair shop that waits until someone needed it is bound to fail. As you need a huge capital to make stuff that people doesnt buy unless their button is spoilt

[still ember]

Do u know people have their steamdeck button that just stuck either they teardown or they have to live with it.
No this is future, buttons should easily fix by this approach.

[sturdy dove]

I rather they make use of some universal designs that can be shared among the whole industry, such as rubber membrane design that 8bitdo uses for their controller, that it is easily can be purchase and source.

If my button is broken, I can buy some third party replacement part to replace and repair. As I have the ability to take apart my device.

[still ember]

Mangmi did it as Air X, people complain about dpad and button and watching video of teardown find that it is so hard to fix.

[sturdy dove]

The whole issue is proprietary designs that it is unique to other standard parts that causing the whole hard to repair issue.

[still ember]

Eventually, third party will join in and I hope this modular must be share will all the rest of retro handheld standard.

[sturdy dove]

Because you cannot get replacement parts because company doesn’t sell them

[sturdy dove]

It comes down to bad designs

[still ember]

Aliexpress third party will design just like Nintendo switch joycon got alot of third party also.

[wicked lance]

I was actually interested in this till the gimmick buttons. Im sure it will work well. But its just another thing to break. Im out

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-im-done-gone-bye-gif-14331061352776093889

[sturdy dove]

Nintendo joycon design is decent and not gluehell like some iPhone where you basically have to balance your balls between a ruler

[still ember]

My friend steamdeck the button get stuck. Sometime it is due to certain games especially GOW where you need rapid pressing causing issue with buttons.

[still ember]

You need to wait for reviewers to comein to know whether this design is great or it is already broken. You cannot pass judgement now.

[still ember]

Not everybody have the ability to teardown. Some people after teardown they spoilt their devices.

[wicked lance]

Like i said sure it will work well. But just not for me. I hope others enjoy. Im pretty sure that WulffDen’s AyaNeo 3 that had this design choice have stopped working now

Once those pogo pins get worn down. Thats it really

[cursive glacier]

with the modular approach, you also have to worry about the connection between handheld and buttons dropping out 😂

[wicked lance]

Yep. If a bit of dust gets between connections

[sturdy dove]

From what I can see, this design will have 1 interesting issue that might happen

Tolerance between the button module and the device hole to put the module in. Will it be a tight fit? If it’s not tight fit, will it become loose? Will pressing rocks the whole module to wiggle? Does it squeek sound when apply pressure as the plastic between module and case collided?

If they uses screws or locking mechanism, Atleast I will feel comfortable as it will be lock in place with no room to play

All in all , just my mumbling and being skeptical, will lurk and wait for review.

But mostly I am out as I know this introduce extra costing.

[vast coral]

mhm. Best to wait and see

[still ember]

For sure it will not be waterproof but you will not keep taking out this buttons all the time. So i believe it is better to have hot swap button design.

[still ember]

I believe under it will have strong magnetic to hold is places and will not drop out. A bit like switch 2 new joycon.

[wicked lance]

I work with surface tablets. They use pogo pin type design for the keyboard and it takes one small thing like this for them to stop working. All im saying is just be cautious when purchasing

[cursive glacier]

there are controllers that do this on the market

this one has a plate that holds it all in

[distant sigil]

Ok, now I'm hoping it's $200 eb

[still ember]

Let Finalize everything,

Mangmi Pocket Max is a
fusion retro handheld.
It is currently fusion of 4 handhelds.

1st handheld Rp5 ( for the soc S865)
2nd Handheld Odin 2 portal
( the 7 inches Oled screen )
3rd Handheld Konkr Fit
( for the ergonomic and 144hz refresh rate)
4th Handheld Ayaneo 3
( modular approach for buttons and dpad)

Lastly, it is not John Mangmi,
Darren Mangmi.
A beautiful lady called
Silvia Mangmi with her long beautiful manicure long fingernails.
She will be the PR to corresponding with Mangmi user in discord.

https://youtube.com/shorts/c4v7_sGSEf4?feature=share

https://youtube.com/shorts/CXZweipAVK4

Both belongs to Silvia Mangmi beautiful fingernails.

[vital brook]

John Mangmi may be aiming to compete with Tommy Ayaneo and Jimmy AYN on their next release

[vital brook]

Silvia Mangmi has better fingernails than Bette Anbernic

[twin bough]

Unfortunately the slot aren't big enough for a six button layout

[still ember]

I dont think this is the purpose. More for future maintenance.
Like steamdeck and switch handheld.
If there are joystick, joypad or button issue, switch are easily solve by buying from third party. steamdeck will be a problem.

[frail summit]

It seems Silvia Mangmi has already charmed David

[still ember]

Infact I dream of retro handheld company to design a retro handheld exact replica of switch 2 for the outer shell and the docking solution. I wanted 8.4 inches screen retro android handheld and it can turn into android tablet.

[still ember]

No, the launch price need to below 200 dollar. 170-180 for EB.

[frail summit]

I agree

But I want whatever drugs you're on if you think the 7" 144hz oled with modular buttons is gonna be sub 200 retail

That must be some strong stuff

170 180 EB is more or less what im expecting maybe 190

But retail we're talking somewhere in the low 200s minimum

[vast coral]

I could use more drugs for my fibomaylgia pain 😄

[frail summit]

Lemme just Google what that is

[still ember]

I think they are doing modular dpad and buttons because of the complain they received from Air X and advise user to teardown and to use lubricant or whatever to solve the dpad and buttons issue. Some of them maybe having issue putting back the handheld.

[frail summit]

Yea that's rough

[still ember]

I think in future, most handheld should design that way.

[cursive glacier]

modular makes more sense for swapping position, for swapping microswitch/membrane styles it's not really relevant for retro gamers, it's more of a pro gamer feature

[still ember]

Repair will be easier for people who cannot handle teardown.

[cursive glacier]

so they developed this feature expecting their units to break

[still ember]

Every handheld may eventually have button issue like button stuck ( like my friend steamdeck ) after long usage. Why not take this opportunity to change it once and for all. dont keep following standard retro handheld template.

[acoustic totem]

I was concerned about the decode times on this but I actually just tried it on my flip 2/ PC and 4ms decode, it's around the same as my network latency. Not sure if it'll be super responsive to stream 144fps gameplay unless you have an insane home network (I do not 🤣) but I'm actually more excited for this after trying game streaming. 5.5" a bit too small to enjoy Indiana Jones and the Great Circle...

[proud vector]

Modularity this 144hz that but they could have put a more powerful chipset than the SD865 in there. That'll be the achilles' heel of this one unless they price it right

https://tenor.com/view/glaze-gif-8311813170669205912

[still ember]

I believe they will price right especially EB. they do listen to Mangmi discord chat.

[cunning lintel]

What price do you think would be good?

[proud vector]

$169 or bust

Anything above $189 and you're literally better off getting an rp6

The Odin 2 portal base seems to have "sold out"

[acoustic totem]

It's not powerful enough emulation wise for my tastes but I'm more hopeful as a game streaming device now. Definitely keen to see what the reviews who are fans of streaming make of this.

[vast coral]

I only see 170 as an early bird

[solemn hollow]

Wish it really really had a G2, would have been a day 1 buy for me.

[vast coral]

Yeah

[dusty rain]

they better make it $159 EB and $179 retail, getting too close to $200 would suck for sales

[proud vector]

Yeah it's best purpose will be for streaming

I originally thought the pocket max would end up being a sub-$150 rp5 killer but no

[vast coral]

180 retail really doesn't feel likely

[distant sigil]

People who wanted a 5.5" screen device won't look at mangmi max anyways, so what's the point of that

189 early bird would be a miracle basically, in a current supply shortage

[vast coral]

I'll be shocked if the rp6 doesn't go up in price

[distant sigil]

It already did, kinda

It's probably going up another $20 in a couple months, if things stay the same

But I think we're reaching peak ram frenzy at this point

[ionic tartan]

This is why it's silly to compare them when they are different market

[ionic tartan]

They already did raise the price

It's 229 than 219

[vast coral]

i meant again 😄 early bird price ending for me isn't really a price raise yet but true

[distant sigil]

there's more discussion about the price of the device than about the device 😁 I'm part of the problem

[vast coral]

yes, how dare you Alex 😄 this is the RGDS all over xD

[distant sigil]

I should employ "just get odin 2 portal" whenever someone suggests to use 8 gen 2 😆

[vast coral]

it is a fair bit extra though esp now the base isn't available anymore at least retail 😄 that bumps up the price

i agree tho i love my portal xD

[vital brook]

Portal is very future proofing tbh

[mystic jetty]

I see what you mean by my needs don't require it so I'm spending $50 more at the minimum for unwanted power

[still ember]

No after early bird
RPG2 is 219
Rp6 is 229 ( still a good deal in my opinion)

[frail summit]

The only time i could see it being sub 200 is EB

Otherwise 200 retail minimum

[obsidian granite]

Just seen the modular design and really think it's the most unnecessarily useless move that will only add to production costs that will only get passed down to customers + some people are saying " what if buttons get stuck" what I'm saying what if you accidentally misplace/loose the modules , stuck buttons you can easily fix ,lost modules make this a paperweight

[frail summit]

Yea that's my biggest concern with the modularity

How much more is it gonna cost me

[still ember]

we should wait for the launch price and reviews before passing this judgement. please be patient and wait.

[dusty rain]

what modular design?

[frail summit]

That