AyaNeo Pocket Air Mini

[mental haven]

Oh shoot.
You’ve been in desperate need of an actual 4:3 handheld

[zealous mauve]

the first sub-$100 ps2/gc handheld is gonna sell like crazy i just know it

[atomic moat]

is the r46h screen decent in terms of color, contrast, screen uniformity (light bleed etc) ?

[urban notch]

My eyes could never do the 3.5” 640 x 480.

[mental haven]

Good thing you didn’t join the hobby 5 years ago

[atomic moat]

can't tell about contrast/screen uniformity from that, but colors does look good

hopefully it will be used for some cheaper DS dual screen devices

[urban notch]

Mine is coming in week so I’ll know then

[urban notch]

Jigg Do you know up to what systems the Pocket Air Mini would play?

[mental haven]

Not sure it’s probably similar to the rp2s

[zealous mauve]

it plays up to and including psp, ds, n64, dc upscaled

do not buy this for ps2/gc, you will be sorely disappointed

[mental haven]

@urban notch oh maybe it’s better than T618

[minor musk]

and if there's some GC and PS2 that you want on this, wait for people to get them so benchmarking can pop up

[mental haven]

Maybe look up whatever‘s messages in this thread

That guy writes essays about chip performances and benchmarks

[minor musk]

I can't wait for the novel to come to Barnes&Nobles

[urban notch]

For now I’m setting expectations to be up to some N64.

[minor musk]

be sure to use Mupen64FZ

[mental haven]

You can probably include DC

[minor musk]

this probably use RA for N64 but I've had a lot better luck with accuracy and speed with M64

[mental haven]

But cutoff GC

[minor musk]

GC is a "dabble with the lightweight stuff but don't have high hopes"

[inner crag]

they said xu20 was sold at a loss

[minor musk]

Jesus

[mental haven]

Jesus

[inner crag]

let me try find the message

[mental haven]

Only thing I saw

[inner crag]

sorry, yes “marketed at cost”

might be losing after the trigger mess up

[zealous mauve]

i feel like thats more common than they want you to believe tho

marketing budgets for these handhelds are hardly substantial

[urban notch]

I honestly like this competition among these companies. We consumers benefit.
I’m sick and tired of the milking and monopolies with crazy profit margins some companies and industries do.

[mental haven]

That competition sent powkiddy into a deep winter sleep

People are still coping in the rgb50 chat

[urban notch]

I heard they got raided by their government for using Linux and selling rom sd cards.

[mental haven]

Lol

I feel like if that was the cause

[urban notch]

I don’t how far that’s true though

[mental haven]

Jdewitz would have told us

[urban notch]

That’s the reasons we don’t have any Linux handhelds coming out from reputable companies

[green temple]

what's wrong with linux?

[obsidian socket]

Seeing all the specs revealed now, the Pocket Air Mini is in an interesting spot since it's pretty much the second coming of the Retroid Pocket 2S, with performance benchmarks for the G90T falling right between the T610 that was in the RP2S and the T820 in many of Anbernic's devices. That should mean excellent full speed performance in almost every N64, Dreamcast, and Saturn game and some lightweight GameCube and PS2; which is probably the best we've got at the $100 price point right now. It's a good deal for what it offers with the nice big 4:3 screen and comfy looking ergonomics, but those hoping for great GameCube and PS2 performance at the $100 price point are likely to be disappointed.

[urban notch]

Does this mean that it’s more powerful than the Mangmi Air X?

[mental haven]

Should be

Mangmi / 662 is even weaker than a T618

[urban notch]

If the 662 can do some PS2 then the G90T should do more.
Man this device seems better than I expected don’t know if the 3GB RAM will be the bottleneck here.

[green temple]

Yeah, 4gbs would have been ideal

the rp classic even had 4gb as the lowest option

too bad it's sold out now

[limpid galleon]

nobody wanted the low RAM option

[steep jolt]

Don't think they even made the 4GB model

[green temple]

I did

[sturdy zinc]

Wow that's quick

Now I genuinely think that the pocket micro costs just slightly higher than this and it's why they can sell for $130 via antec

Just bring down the pocket micro classic to $100 and I'll buy it instantly

[fervent mica]

Over 3500 sales now

[sturdy zinc]

Crazy

Meanwhile I saw Odin 3 preorder dropped from 1.6k to below 145. @fervent mica do you know anything about that? #1407320894317264896 message

Never mind. It’s probably because they changed the price after early bird period and it’s considered a new listing

[mental flower]

does this support video out?

[left grove]

I get this, but if you're gonna play PS2/GCN, Why are you buying these?! Just spend a bit more for a Retroid, an Odin 2, or one of Anbernic's high-end stuff.

The way I understand both devices:

• The Pocket Air Mini is built for 5th gen and below 4:3 gaming with the GPU for heavier shaders and performance to play anything within the 5th gen (plus PSP and DS) with ease. It could play some lite PS2/GCN, but this is definitely a DC/SS/N64/PS1 machine that you run with shaders and/or upscaled

• The Magnmi Air X is a more dedicated PSP machine with support and ability to possibly play some light PS2 and GCN games, but is more geared towards upscaled PSP, widescreen Dreamcast, and such thanks to its 16:9 1080p screen

[woven vale]

Good breakdown 👏

[left grove]

Ye ye!

Only one im not too well-versed on is the two XU H** devices (the H40 and H50)

But even then, the Air Mini is definitely for the Shader fans and/or a complementary device for your bigger device. Move all the more D-Pad-centric, handheld, and early 3d games on this bad boy while you play with the tougher 3d games on your Retroid Pocket 5, Odin 2/3/Portal, or other Ayaneo device

[tepid mango]

If your focus is PS2, even a good T820 are going to need some tweaks to use

[flint wadi]

Yeah this thing needs GCore

[rare cove]

As much as I complained yesterday I think both very good options under $100

And now you also have a lot of great devices in the $150 range with the T820 line

There's more range now that the T820 devices have dropped in price and aren't trying to compete with Retroid and Ayn anymore

[left grove]

I've been itching for stronger devices under 100

And I got that with XU H50, Pocket Air Mini, and the Air X

[rare cove]

You can also now get a good Linux based handheld for $50 or even lower. The pricing in this niche is in a healthy state and I hope it stays that way

[woven vale]

Just waiting now for retroid to announce a 2s successor / budget model

[left grove]

Yeah! It's been kinda rough to see that the RP2S was the "last" good budget Android for a while, with 3566 and A133p devices kinda trying to fill the spot to no avail. Now we have like, so many it crazy

[left grove]

GIMME RP MINI WITH G1G2 RETROID

[woven vale]

I would prefer a 4:3 screen. But yes this

[left grove]

Seriously, just take the screen and shell of the Mini V2, put the G1G2 in, sell it for 100-120, bam ez win

[left grove]

This too

[woven vale]

https://tenor.com/view/let-them-cook-let-them-fight-godzilla-godzilla-2014-meme-gif-10523835079864650811

[left grove]

Man, the Pocket Air Mini being 80 + 20 shipping is making this my possible pick for my EDC

[woven vale]

Its so cheap. Even just getting one for fun is easy enough

Just for something to toy with

[left grove]

Like, I love the Linux devices for how seamless they can be and customization, but android's sleep mode and optimized emulators just spoiled me

[woven vale]

The only issue is pico8 is better on the linux ones.

Hopefully we get a decent pico8 app at some point with splore

[left grove]

For me, it's Pico8 and Portmaster being the biggest thorns. Sure we have some ports on Android, but some are a pain to find or build, while others are just me being lazy with money when I already have the game elsewhere

[woven vale]

Sonic Mania still has trouble running on some handhelds due to play protection issues. So yeah portmaster would be epic

[crisp fern]

The humble adb install:

[past summit]

This thing can't even run Dead Cells 🙈

[twin flower]

I might sell my RP Classic for this. I only play PS1 and below on these. How does the SOC compare? RP Classic struggles with some heavier shaders.

I'll play N64 too, with the addition of sticks. 😎

[turbid quarry]

G90T seems like a relatively strong GPU

And that's what's used for shaders

Someone else would be more informative though

[mental flower]

all 3800 presale units have been sold out in China btw

[turbid quarry]

Goddamn

[twin flower]

I'm also stoked they included a headphone jack, as silly as that sounds.

[mental flower]

Ayaneo has promised to release a second batch of presales given the demand (a lot of people are unhappy to have missed out)

[turbid quarry]

Unhappy that supply was so low?

[fervent mica]

On the other hand, RG476H has only sold about 300 units across all Chinese platforms so far...looks like Ayaneo takes the win this round

[mental flower]

not surprised, people outside of the cult were pulling out the 'even dogs won't buy this' for the 476H

it costing ~66% more than the Pocket Air Mini is insane

[muted marsh]

Also known as $50 extra

Sometimes ratios are deceptive. I’m ready to live a retro gray lifestyle.

[stiff hatch]

But is it more powerful than the Anbernic one?

[muted marsh]

I don’t even think of them as direct competitors, but I guess it’s inevitable that people will. The Anbernic has 8gb of ram.

[stiff hatch]

I'm just comparing them for 4:3 content and how much emulation either one is capable of

[atomic moat]

You referring to discounted (499/599 rmb) units for the sold out?
I thought they prepared 10-20k or something.

[muted marsh]

Woof woof

[mental flower]

50 is a lot to countries with lower income levels tbf (namely China)

or at least a lot in what people are willing to pay for entertainment

[mental flower]

yeah the discounted ones

[stiff hatch]

So this one can't play PS2 or GC?

[muted marsh]

Neither are going to play ps2 or GC perfectly, especially at the screens native resolution. But the Anbernic will be able to do so more often.

The Ayaneo will be great for DC and below

[rain pendant]

Maybe some, or more if you play with hacks/MMJR2.
This would be for mainly N64 and Dreamcast I'd say

[muted marsh]

But will be hit or miss for higher stuff

If you want really good PS2/GC performance then the 477m can do that

[rare cove]

The Anbernic comes really close to achieving that with gamecube

[muted marsh]

But I’d personally rather have the 476h, because the 477m fan noise is pretty annoying.

[mental haven]

It might be better to get a Air Mini and use it‘s $40 coupon to get the Pocket S Mini, than buying a 477m

[atomic moat]

It will play more ps2/gc titles/play them better than the t618 device and likely mangmi air x, but worse than the t820 devices.

[atomic moat]

We getting the coupon?

[muted marsh]

Yeah I wouldn’t recommend the 477m unless they put a better fan in a revised model. It’s not worth the price.

[left grove]

To kinda repeat myself this is mainly for N64/SS/DC/PSX with shaders

[rare cove]

It sounds so annoying in the video's. It's one of the reasons I cancelled my order alongside the inline shoulder buttons

[left grove]

Basically

[rare cove]

How much will the Pocket S mini cost?

[stiff hatch]

So ... A RP2S with better screen (and controls?)?

[rain pendant]

Basically yeah

[mental haven]

Still waiting for final confirmation. But John Nee (Aya Mod) hasn’t answered yet.

[left grove]

And more power for shaders and such yeah

[rain pendant]

A better RP2S is a win in my books

[left grove]

I never had a RP2S, but having 3+ made me really appreciate a DC and below device

[stiff hatch]

Is it already available for ordering?

[rain pendant]

I wanted to get the RP2S as my first emu device, but it stopped being sold before I could get it :(

[left grove]

Pre-order start next month. Rn they're doing pre-orders for China

[stiff hatch]

Gotcha

[left grove]

Gonna have to put 80 bucks aside for this definitely

[stiff hatch]

I did cash out on the konkr fit already, so a little pause in between won't do no harm 😅

[rain pendant]

If I didn't set-up and tinker my Galaxy A15 that I don't use as a phone anymore for emulation already, I'd get this, but I'm likely getting a telescopic controller for that instead as a way to hold me over until I can afford the Odin 3 next year

But I am considering getting two of this or the Mangmi Air X as gifts for my two nephews

[left grove]

Im buying this to complement my Odin 2 Mini as I save up for an Odin 3

[maiden ice]

Cool, where does Funnyplaying’s Retro Pixel Pocket revision fit into that?

[maiden ice]

The hell you talking about? Dead Cells runs fine on the T618, and that’s outright weaker.

[maiden ice]

Eh, it can in the same way that the G99 can “if you tinker a lot”.

[maiden ice]

Oh shit, people get a $40 coupon with the Air Mini?

[maiden ice]

In general it’s just a better RP2S alongside being cheaper.

Ok, and now I think I’m all caught up.

[vestal flame]

hell yeah

[left grove]

Between this, Mangmi, XU, and whoever else decides to step into the ring, the budget market for android is getting spicy!

[maiden ice]

Back to this, I’d still say GC and PS2 is playable in general on this thing, but only that and only if you’re willing to mess with settings. Otherwise, I’d just consider them a bonus at best.

[past summit]

With the low quality graphics

[left grove]

https://youtu.be/iqRBsqWRv1E using this as a rough reference, 5th Gen (comprising SS with Yaba instead of Beetle), 3ds, and PSP will be playable np

[shadow swan]

the XURetro Mediatek G85 mini is going to be a better deal than this. everyone go home

[turbid quarry]

If it fuckin comes out lmao

And I say that as someone who's looking forward to it

[mental haven]

It’s time to jump ship if you guys care about pocketability

[stiff hatch]

this is a lower res screen, no?

[mental haven]

Only 720p vs 960p on the air mini, yes

[shadow swan]

basically the mediatek version of a unisoc t618. screen res doesn't matter for what you'll be playing on it

[mental haven]

But you can put it in your pocket

[shadow swan]

yeah its ~6"x3"

[ripe smelt]

That should be another good n64/DC machine right?

[shadow swan]

yep. n64, dc, maybe some directx 8 and low-tier gc/ps2

[ripe smelt]

Neat

[strong marsh]

Great price from XU but still >1month till the start of preorders, they will change their mind and cancel it 10 times

[mental haven]

Don’t think that’ll happen if they sacrificed their whole line up for this and got rid of all the old molds

They’re going all in

[vestal flame]

we can hope anyway

[strong marsh]

I hope so, because it can be a great success for them

Awesome price

[shadow swan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHz1_LHkt70
lol oh boy

[muted marsh]

I love all the competition. This is great for all of us.

[zenith breach]

that just not true

[mental haven]

Yo I was joking

[limpid galleon]

Not for their profit margins

[crisp fern]

https://youtu.be/_f0h1okm04w

It's actually somewhat playable on gamefusion

[shadow swan]

yeah this is totally a dx8 gaming device. i bet HOMM5 and Poker Night 2 also run well.

[crisp fern]

Yeah like DX8 and maybe some earlier DX9 games (blackbox NFS etc)

It's got the advantage of having a higher GPU clock than the t618 too (1ghz vs 850mhz)

[shadow swan]

tribes and C&C Renegade will probably be unplayable, which is always sad, but they barely worked even on x86

[crisp fern]

Half-life 2 will be a nope on x86 emu

But there's the native android port which should run decent at 720p low

[shadow swan]

tribes literally broke my win600 and i had to hard reset it with the battery cable yank strategy. just effed the display all up. it looked like matrix corruption or some shit

[zenith breach]

horrible settings

[crisp fern]

Ouch

[crisp fern]

Deus Ex (pc version)

[shadow swan]

ooo

[crisp fern]

Not sure how well The Conspiracy (ps2 ver) runs on these devices but

[shadow swan]

nah, pc version will be best due to no audio stutter when the fps dips

[crisp fern]

True

Would 3gb ram even be enough for dx8-level x86 emulation?

[zenith breach]

aahahha

[shadow swan]

most dx8 games need only 256mb of gpu mem and like 1gb of ram

they'll be fine

[zenith breach]

g85 for that price looks funny (now)

[shadow swan]

TRON 2.0 will definitely run okay on this. i've tried it on both my 405v and rgCube, if you need a weird cyberpunk rpg to mess with

[zenith breach]

even more

Hollow Knight silksong dx10

[crisp fern]

Errr

HK and silksong would best run on the (upcoming for the latter) android ports

[zenith breach]

port 😄 i dont think so

[crisp fern]

Manhunt 1 and 2 also

[zenith breach]

they just make copy with downgraded graphics

not worth

u can play it on gamehub no problem

[crisp fern]

If you want less than 30fps at 800x600 then no problem

G99 runs it at about 30ish on gamehub

[zenith breach]

45-50

without screen recording

30/40 fps lock + good graphics (if need) and go

https://youtu.be/EmKPdn9kkis?si=2FNUuYmKsDU63Lwm 960x540p

G90T will run even better

[stiff hatch]

I don't really get the olive green shoulder buttons...

[rain pendant]

We're really getting such banger sub-$100 devices now

[half pollen]

When Arthur share his phone messages did anyone translate those?

[waxen quartz]

Pick up milk on the way home

[left grove]

Posting these here cause man

This screen will be N I C E

[warm yarrow]

wouldnt use pre-order prices to represent the actual cost of these devices.

[warm yarrow]

and then ppl gotta make the active decision for the weird non 4:3 aspect ratio home consoles if they wanna play native output or stretch for 4:3. but 4x pixel ratios will make those options not look weird on LCD.

[left grove]

And for alot of those, you can easily fix them with Shaders

[still nacelle]

Sharp shimmerless my beloved

I'm actually pretty hype for this thing lol

I wonder what made them want to give budget a shot

[upper coyote]

The Anbernic can do most of the libraries at native or even 720p. I don’t think the metric should be 960p (2x) on budget devices

[still nacelle]

I'm fine if it can run at 1x tbh

[upper coyote]

I just think the anbernic 6 devices are fine GC and PS2 devices.

[still nacelle]

Oh they def are, it's just holy moly the price on this

[upper coyote]

Price is crazy especially if this has the typically Ayaneo build quality which I don’t see many factoring in!

[still nacelle]

The Pocket 2S lives on

If it's the typical quality on top of the specs idk how they're making it that cheap but I'm not gonna ask any questions

[vestal flame]

im guessing this will be on igg?

[bitter arrow]

Wasn’t that Helegaly? Except Helegaly was just being investigated?

Also is that a precursor or after Jdewitz said Powkiddy owner would stop selling devices with games?

[twilit fog]

Why does the product page show up for me when i'm on mobile but not on desktop?

vs

[limpid galleon]

do you use Internet Explorer, because Firefox does just fine

[twilit fog]

chrome and i'm at work so maybe the insane internet restrictions are coming into play (edge does the same thing, those are my two options on my work laptop)

[idle oriole]

Was it announced back in July?

Check out the date of this Chinese Air Mini QQ group.

(the group's link was in Ayaneo's latest video as a QR code)

[limpid galleon]

maybe, time flows different for domestic stuff

[sturdy zinc]

Nah I don’t think so. It was announced in that strategic live stream

It was called Code R or something like that right?

Actually that happened in July

I think it was July 28

#🔥│upcoming-chat message

Indeed it was

[mental haven]

The only teased Code-R the line as well as Code-R-1 which is the code name for the budget vertical.

The Pocket Air Mini was first teased during livestream after the big strategic one with this picture

[sturdy zinc]

What there is Code R and Code R-1?

Ayaneo sucks in naming

[mental haven]

So despite teasing the R-1 first the revealed the Pocket Air Mini First

[warm yarrow]

anbernic would like to talk to you.

[mental haven]

Code R is the name for the whole budget line as a whole and Code R1 is just a place holder for the vertical budget handheld in the picture you just send

This one

[sturdy zinc]

Oh ok

[zenith breach]

no

its phone

[sturdy zinc]

Phone is a separate thing

[mental haven]

It’s embargo names basically. The will reveal the real name when the time comes

[zenith breach]

Code-R is Air Mini

[mental haven]

The phone has nothing to do with code r

[sturdy zinc]

I mean Anbernic names are very logical once you get it

[mental haven]

Code-R is not a single device but their budget line which will get other additions in the future

[zenith breach]

is is mini

[sturdy zinc]

Like when 476h was annoucned, people immediately knows the screen size and SoC

[zenith breach]

R-1 is different device

Code-R is mini

i mean that

[mental haven]

They are both Code R

[zenith breach]

Code-R and Code R-1

its jut codenames

[mental haven]

I think you’re talking past me

I genuinely don’t know what you want

[atomic moat]

There is this as well, which can't be sure if its code r-1
https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1399437816508711052

[mental haven]

Oh it’s not

[zenith breach]

can be ...

[mental haven]

Pocket Vert is a more premium offering

Not part of the Code R budget line

[zenith breach]

it doesnt look like Vert

[atomic moat]

Anbernic really feels tame with their releases compared to ayaneo

[zenith breach]

it still not exist seems like

[mental haven]

Code-R is the name of the entire budget line

And then there is Code-R-1
and maybe the Pocket Air Mini was Code-R-2.

But instead of giving it a placeholder name they revealed it immediately

Maybe the Code-R-1 will be called Pocket Air Vert

[flat kite]

analogue pocket screen

[urban notch]

Not sure. I've heard all of what you just said. But I have no confirmation if any of it is true. But a lot of things point to that.

[limpid galleon]

Whatever just doing whatever

[mental haven]

Like we’re talking about code-r and he brings up the slide-phone out of nowhere ._.

[limpid galleon]

maybe he is just a bot

posting benchmarks, videos and totally un-related stuff all the time

[fervent mica]

Initial D Special Stage on PS2 runs at 3X, 60fps for the 2GB model

[left grove]

IM SORRY HUH?!

That's

[flat kite]

holy shit

[left grove]

You gotta be joking

Please tell me you're joking

[flat kite]

ayaneo is about to shake the whole handheld game up

[left grove]

Ayaneo is about to fuckin tear the scene apart if this is legit

[fervent mica]

It can do that for some games, but not really for games like God of War 2

[left grove]

Even then, if it can even run GoW 2 at all smoothly (even at native) that would be insane

For the price

[fervent mica]

Also the bag for Air Mini (not final design)

[left grove]

Is this coming from the discord or a video or?

[atomic moat]

D900 and t820 cannot without any hacks, so doubt its possible for this g90t

[zenith breach]

native without hacks, gow2 has solid performance on g1 gen2 and above

anything less = problems

[atomic moat]

G1 gen 2 performs the same as d900/t820 for gow2, frequent small drops below full speed.

[zenith breach]

no

it has more single power, which are most demanding

this why it can run things a bit better than t820/g900

except gpu bound case

[atomic moat]

🥱 it's the same behavior as d900/t820. Playable yes, with frequent small drops
https://youtu.be/L1W7o-y7orA?t=22m58s

[zealous mauve]

i get that people in this server are trying to get hype for this device, however i BEG that people here realise ayaneo's own performance claims do not match actual benchmarks, and this chip is an older version of the g99, which we already know isn't the best chip for gc/ps2

[zenith breach]

even on video u see more performance, and sayed same

nah, nvm troll

[atomic moat]

It has the same 2.4ghz a78 as the d900

[zenith breach]

oops

magic

[atomic moat]

Yea, magic, the rg556 magically has a d900

[zenith breach]

ill show d900 also, okey )

[zealous mauve]

bro is just actively spreading misinformation every time i open this channel

[atomic moat]

It's ok, G1 gen 2 pawns d900/t820, I am enlightened

[zealous mauve]

im boutta go buy an old g90t phone just so that we can all be on the same page about performance

[zenith breach]

[atomic moat]

A g90t phone would probably perform worse than the air mini

[zealous mauve]

not particularly, it's too low power of a chip for active cooling to make a noticeable difference

and most phones with it have more RAM which will actually help when modern android uses so much in the background

[zenith breach]

bruh i dont remember codename on odin ...

founded

[zealous mauve]

do you realise how little of an impact 40 points in single core performance is gonna have on any emulator's performance

[zenith breach]

mt6877_fhd_v1 - pocket 4 if somone need

[zenith breach]

yes, ik its not much but its enough to feel difference, and every video test shows it

also 40 points its highest

[zealous mauve]

what are you actually trying to argue here, that god of war 2 is playable on the g1 gen 2 but not on the d900 and t820?

[zenith breach]

can be in fridge or outdoor, bc other results lower

[zealous mauve]

girl what, those performance gaps on the rp4 are likely power modes

[zenith breach]

i dont say that

[zealous mauve]

okay, thats why i asked what you ARE saying

[zenith breach]

no

[zenith breach]

You literally butted into the conversation and didn't understand the point, then started making accusations at me.

nice

we talk about STOCK performance

[zealous mauve]

you are still not answering my question of what you are trying to argue here

also "butted into the conversation" this is a discord group not a private DM

[zenith breach]

and guy send exact video, which is proove that G1 is beat D900 and T820 in GOW2

also after right setting, G1 will have solid 60, D900 maybe too, but T820 will have deeps

easy

[zealous mauve]

the only point i'm trying to get across is that i've come into this chat a few times where you are trying to convince people this device is gonna be more ps2/gc capable than it actually is, and i dont want people to go buying this device with that thinking - same thing happened with all the t618 devices when they released (which are also horrid for 6th gen)

[zenith breach]

D900 vs T820 again slightly difference, but it enough to show

single power 50 points, 100 points that allot for emulation

[fervent mica]

Another Air Mini livestream is happening Sept 20 at 4 AM EST

[zenith breach]

That didn't happen, I'm a realist...

Once again, you didn't grasp the essence of the conversations and jumped to conclusions.

[zealous mauve]

...

[zenith breach]

All I said was that the G90T is much better than the T618, and that is absolutely true.

[zenith breach]

and?

[zealous mauve]

yeah nah im not continuing this conversation

[zenith breach]

😄

[zealous mauve]

i will go find a g90t device and then we can continue

[zenith breach]

alr

also learn how to configurate emu properly

if wont be like guys in GOW2 T820 20 fps (its sick even for me, like everyone here know im ''hating t820'')

[left grove]

Oh, Ik this isn't a gamecube or PS2 device, but the fact that it's pulling a game like that off at 3x is impressive to me. Im not expecting the world, just really curious how they managed to get that sort of performance

[zealous mauve]

yeah no completely understood, not directed at you

im just trying to make sure people here dont go buying this and then get disappointed

[zenith breach]

u should understand one thing, uscales its only about gpu

[zealous mauve]

bc i did the same when the t618 devices came out

[left grove]

Same

[zealous mauve]

and was sorely disappointed when my gammaOS rg405m couldn't even run mario sunshine properly

[zenith breach]

if u have enough cpu, and good gpu u can rise resulution without lose performance

[zealous mauve]

despite all the youtubers being like "tHiS tHiNg rUnS gAmeCuBe!"

and the same thing is gonna happen again here 🙁

[zenith breach]

with heavy hacks t618 can run allot gc games

but u need understand how to do that

[zealous mauve]

i promise you i set sunshine to every possible config

you implying that i'm not able to tweak emulators is demeaning

[zenith breach]

so they dont lie

[zealous mauve]

what?

[still nacelle]

Is 618 what the Pocket 2S had

[zenith breach]

noone says it can full gc right?

[zenith breach]

no

[zealous mauve]

no, but the claims were still more complimentary than they should have been

[zenith breach]

:/

[atomic moat]

T610, some downclock for both the cpu and gpu

[zealous mauve]

many of the most popular gc games were not playable on the t618

[zenith breach]

you're trying to shift the responsibility

[zealous mauve]

what

[still nacelle]

Oh ok

[zealous mauve]

oh my god i feel like im arguing with a brick wall i cant

it is not controversial to state that the performance of the t618 handhelds was overstated on release

[zenith breach]

many heavy!!!

its not supposed to run them

and noone says it should

[zealous mauve]

if you can only play random obscure third party titles that are low end, then no one shouldve claimed the t618 devices as being GC capable

[atomic moat]

Just ignore, don't continue

[zenith breach]

u can mid tiltles on it

[zealous mauve]

mario kart double dash wont run locked 50fps even on a PAL rom

[zenith breach]

just with tweaks, depend what game

[zealous mauve]

and double dash is NOT heavy

[zenith breach]

its middle-heavy

[zealous mauve]

brother

oh my days

[still nacelle]

I played through Prime 1 on my 2S, only really chugged if flying pirates were involved or I was in the Phazon Mines

PAL ISO and tweaks do a lot of the work tho

[zealous mauve]

PAL ISO def helps for a lot of games

[zenith breach]

pal helps allot for low-end devices

but without right tweaks its nothing

[zealous mauve]

the most substantial game the rg405m with gammaOS could do for me was TTYD, everything else had framedrops

[zenith breach]

even T610 was claimed by many known guys its GC compatible lol with heavy tweaks ofc (it means it can run some games)

way weaker than t618

[still nacelle]

MMJR my beloved

[twilit fog]

What is even the point in this argument?

[zenith breach]

he dont believe that g90t is GC compatible

which can run most of stuff with tweaks

[zealous mauve]

my statement for the last 2 days has been that I do not believe people should get their hopes up about this being capable of most popular GC/PS2 titles, because it will be a subpar experience and they will be disappointed

that should not be a controversial statement

[zenith breach]

half of ps2

[zealous mauve]

people were disappointed with the performance of these 6th gen devices on the original Odin Pro with the SD845, a more capable chipset

[zenith breach]

845 more powerful ...

also it has magic boost with turnip drivers

[zealous mauve]

"Half of PS2" is irrelevant when most of the titles people are actually going to want to play (popular titles) are in that other half that aren't good experiences

[zealous mauve]

bro can you read my messages before responding

i said that the 845 was more powerful yet people were still disappointed with 6th gen emulation

[zenith breach]

yes, but noone claim it PS2 devices right?

[zealous mauve]

ayaneo literally does

[zenith breach]

they dont

[zealous mauve]

they are claiming GT4 is playable on this when it is ostensibly not

GT4 is one of, if not the toughest PS2 game to run

[zenith breach]

it is playable

[zealous mauve]

oh my days i am convinced i am talking with an ayaneo sales rep rn

[zenith breach]

fine, just buy G90T device any

[zealous mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15sA3g-J_E

here is a more capable chip on the easiest gt4 track to run

[zenith breach]

You jumped to conclusions based on noob video, just like people usually do about the T820.

[faint chasm]

I wouldn't bother. They won't change their mind.

[zenith breach]

another

[zealous mauve]

yeah no idk why im still trying

[zenith breach]

[zealous mauve]

how is this a "noob video"

description explains the underclock settings used

they are ideal for this game on this chipset

[zenith breach]

and u think that enough?

and = tweaks

[zealous mauve]

do you know what a tweak is

the biggest settings changes in aethersx2/nethersx2 are the underclock settings/speedhacks

they have the most substantial impact on performance

[zenith breach]

tweaks for low-end chipsets its underclock + hacks

[zealous mauve]

what other "tweaks" are you suggesting they use

you actually have no idea what you are spouting why am i still trying

[zenith breach]

https://youtu.be/ABWFM4pqfnI?t=675

T820 cant run GOW2 share that.

[rain pendant]

I find this whole argument going on here to be dumb ngl.
I won't deny that this will do GCN and PS2 better than one might expect, and the video here showing GT4 is a few years old and doesn't reflect the improvements PS2 emulators have since gotten, but I will also be very clear here that buying this for GCN/PS2/Wii primarily is not a good move lol

[zenith breach]

almost the same case

[rain pendant]

This is very obviously an N64/Dreamcast and under machine first and foremost

[zenith breach]

wrong setting = trash performance

[zealous mauve]

any time you see a video showing the performance of the g90t, you claim it's just because the person who made the video is dumb and doesn't know how to tweak settings, but you can not find one video demonstrating the g90t being able to play games like gt4 - nor do you even own a g90t device to substantiate your claims. in fact, i'm doubtful you own any device around this performance level

[zenith breach]

yeah it just for fun

hard to speak with guys which are not hardware geeks ...

[zealous mauve]

brother i am literally a compsci student omd

why are you tryna act like im stupid for telling people not to buy this for 6th gen

that is all i am trying to do, and i am substantiating that with the existing performance videos of this chipset - which yes, aren't always ideal - but you've not made compelling enough of an argument to state how suddenly gt4 is gonna go from barely reaching 30fps to a solid locked 60 on this device

[zenith breach]

there no video with G90T on GT4

[zealous mauve]

the one i posted yesterday that you literally quoted

[zenith breach]

5 years?)

strange

on raw emulator build btw

[zealous mauve]

aethersx2 stopped development 3 years ago and performance has not improved that substantially to make the difference from 30fps to 60

[rain pendant]

I can't see GT4 being 60fps suddenly myself.
I expect if updated videos on the G90T with all the updates NetherSX2 has gotten were made today, it would have better FPS, but not 60.
I would generally consider GCN/Wii/PS2 on this to be bonus systems.

[zealous mauve]

there are plenty of videos of gt4 on a d900, a g99, a g100 - none of them reach playability

the g100 and d900 are more capable chipsets

[zenith breach]

i didnt say it will be 60 fps omg ... stop improvise

[zealous mauve]

gt4 needs to be 60fps to be playable

[zenith breach]

😄

[zealous mauve]

its a racing sim

[zenith breach]

😄

[zealous mauve]

???

ayaneo claims gt4 is playable. gt4 needs to have its framerate locked to be playable, as it's a racing sim that depends greatly on precise input and frametimes. considering there is nothing to support that the g90t will play the game at anything beyond 30-40fps, i am claiming it is not playable.

[zenith breach]

i cant say gc and wii is bonus, ps2 yes

[zenith breach]

I can say the same thing about 30-40 fps in games on T820 when should be 60, but the thing is, it's a personal preference, and you shouldn't impose it on others.

[zealous mauve]

oh my god

oh my god

[zenith breach]

it realy that hard?

[zealous mauve]

your entire argument is based around you thinking 50-70% framerate is playable

oh my god

[zenith breach]

no

[zealous mauve]

how is 30-40fps for a 60fps game playable

[zenith breach]

o_o

first of all pal is 50 fps

second u can reach them with right settings

[zealous mauve]

no, you can not, the chipset is literally just not capable enough, im not repeating this again

@ayaneo hire a better sales rep, this one is defective

[zenith breach]

[left grove]

Ironically enough, i might just get a big enough SD card and use this as well for old anime/cartoons

Since it is 4:3 and probably would do a better job give me a decent viewing experience than my phone lmao

[zealous mauve]

i wanted to do that with the anbernic slide actually

can retroarch apply shaders to video files?

cuz itd be sick to use crt-beam or crt-royale in that application

[left grove]

It'd be cool if they can

[zenith breach]

https://youtu.be/_u1tLDacnWM?si=MBDTHw3VLrER7M89 10 sec takes to find better performance even on g85

Another magic ...

[left grove]

Oh apparently they can via the FFMPEG core

[zealous mauve]

25-35fps is not remotely close to playable for this game even on a PAL ROM

[zenith breach]

yes, like i sayed it G85 just 🙂

but with right settings

here what u will get on G90T but better graphics, or even better performance if u spend time for tweaks best possible
https://youtu.be/JD47D79kYp4?si=GpBLDe7ypxhyLOa8

https://youtu.be/VH_jRa3K0fg?si=RZ_TrQMlGyriNbGr

so, dumb who Ayaneo or You?

[zealous mauve]

i would not consider any of this gameplay playable for a racing simulation game

[zealous mauve]

ayaneo sales rep behaviour again

[zenith breach]

You don't know how to admit your mistakes you're probably still too young.

its okey

[zealous mauve]

lmao alright

[still nacelle]

Schrodinger's PS2 Performance aside I'm excited for upscaling and shaders to go crazy on this

Big ol hi-res 4:3

[zenith breach]

hard to tell how good it is, bc we dont have anything close to in gpu ...

g99 probably closest what we know, but in real scenario it 15% worst or even more

also gpu drivers can play bad game with us

[zenith breach]

https://youtu.be/RPfXoD3-1_U?si=NZW0wzWCVONr7SsH

[muted marsh]

If I’m playing a 20 year old game, I need full frames, plus extras

Or else I make this face

[still kettle]

[zenith breach]

https://youtu.be/6DvGpY0eSYg

[twin flower]

I want a YouTuber to do a good round up of all the new 4:3 options available and soon to be available.

Need a good comparison chart.

[left grove]

Yee

[tribal tiger]

actually a good idea

they could start here

[twin flower]

100% I'd even include the retroid mini v2. Basically anything 4:3(ish) over 3.5in. For the longest time we had nothing over 3.5, and now I feel like we have too many options. 😵

[left grove]

Its also cause we're no longer stuck in the era of incredibly cheapo linux chips that can't do N64 for beans

[devout geyser]

I heard bad things about Aya Neo is it still true?

this sounds like a promising device

[still nacelle]

the biggest sticking point a lot of people had with ayaneo was the price tags

[devout geyser]

I'm looking for something to compliment my Rog Ally and can easily be put in my tech kit

Im checking reviews of the chipset and it seem can run some switch games too

[still nacelle]

so for such an enthusiast brand to dip their toes into budget, it's got me excited because I dont make ayaneo money

[maiden ice]

Well, they’ve unironically been getting a lot better at the stuff they were previously reviled for, and the main thing people hated about them beyond the above was the prices.

[devout geyser]

yea i never look at Aya Neo because of the price and how is the support/build quality is

the price point for this is very tempting

[maiden ice]

Yup, but the main issue with them was the fact that the build quality was actually legit good when there aren’t issues with specific units, and their customer support was usually…stuff like this.

[devout geyser]

I wonder if the 3GB ram is enough

I see this as a compromise

for the price

[maiden ice]

But nowadays? We have 3 different people in this very server who have attested to getting obscenely good customer support from them(unironically better than I’ve seen from most companies).

[hot steeple]

(yes, it can even run that game)

[devout geyser]

I’ll wait for launch and reviews, but feels like a good buy this coming holiday for me

[zenith breach]

for all what it capable to run

[sweet veldt]

So is this today or tomorrow I get confused with the timezones but ?

And why 1AM

[atomic moat]

Should be around 4.5h later, 4pm their time

[sweet veldt]

Hopefully it isnt a 4+ hour stream

Not that ther anything wrong with that but I but just want to see it in action and thats it

[atomic moat]

This and the XuRetro making me feel like cancelling my konkr order and just keeping the O3 's.

[atomic moat]

can add the R46H in there as well for the other extreme.
#1367935622874140814 message

[muted marsh]

The Pocket S Mini needs to come out faster, or I feel like we’ll have a 4:3 OLED from Retroid and also hopefully Ayn by then

[faint chasm]

Maybe it can but don't buy this for thinking you get anything above n64/DC. It can do some GC/PS2 and more but will be hit or miss depending on certain things. Asking certain people will tell you different capabilities. I think for the price and being aya neo, it's not a bad buy for what it's capable of.

Also 4:3 so yeah lol

[hot steeple]

So what you're saying is I can run totk at 60 fps

[still nacelle]

It's best to be in the 2S mindset and treat GC/PS2 as fun little bonuses

but everything below that I'm real excited for

[muted marsh]

For sure, otherwise skill issue

[stiff hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/live/cJ73YkJJe30?si=gzJHoeyNqATMp5rv

so this will be again a bunch of nothing, right?

[mental haven]

What is this heavenly music playing in the background

[stiff hatch]

I can win a car?

😛

[mental haven]

No idea

[stiff hatch]

lol... I just turned back in and what is this kinder garden music

[mental haven]

Wtf is this

[bitter arrow]

I don’t wanna get in the car

[stiff hatch]

😆

[fervent mica]

So there’s some drama between Max Zhou and Arthur. See’s Arthur’s explanation

This Tesla pic is basically him taking a jab at Max Zhou

[reef shadow]

How??? 👀

[fervent mica]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xXpDzbEtR/

Not uploaded to youtube yet

[vestal flame]

just gotta let us buy it now 😄

[jaunty storm]

compares limited run price of the lowest sku pocket air to msrp prices of the air x 🤔

[mental haven]

Yeah this doesn’t paint full picture

[left grove]

Man, pre-orders can't come soon enough man

[left grove]

If I had to guess what devices they're comparing: Trimui Brick, RG 40xx V, RP2S, RP Classic, Pocket Air X, and of course their device

[left grove]

The facr it running that smoothly at 3x is really interesting

[fervent mica]

GoW2 is running at 2x upscale, 30fps, no frame skipping

[muted marsh]

Friends don’t let friends play GoW2 @ 30fps

Take the keys!!

[fervent mica]

Winning Eleven PS2, 2x, 60fps

[inland temple]

what does it mean "2G OK"?

[fervent mica]

It means the games were tested on the 2GB+32GB model

[inland temple]

Thanks! awesome

[twin flower]

How soon before Android 11 becomes a problem? For either native games or emulators?

I bought my kid his first Android phone (a 2025 model budget phone) and realized afterwards that it doesn't support 64-bit apps. Never even crossed my mind.

[left grove]

Not too soon, but by the time it becomes an issue, hopefully we will have other options like Gamma or possibly Linux. As for rn, Android 11 onward is still in good hands atm

[twin flower]

Nice. And to clarify, not suggesting the G90T is a 32-bit processor (it's 64,) just using as an example of not knowing what I don't know.

[tribal tiger]

this is the weirdest fucking lore 😂

[atomic moat]

seems frame skipped, maybe induced by underclocking the EE

[tribal tiger]

it's intentionally capped at 30 fps, so yeah 1x frameskip

[atomic moat]

some cryptic analogy ?👀
Or don't tell me its to be taken literally..

[fervent mica]

It's a true story

-Years ago, Arthur bought an Anbernic handheld with a defect
-Since Arthur and Max Zhou lived nearby (back then Max Zhou also did customer service himself), Arthur asked to meet and show him the issue
-Arthur drove his Tesla; Max Zhou got in the car, and Arthur demonstrated the fault
-Contrary to his loud, swearing online persona, Max Zhou was actually very reserved — which surprised Arthur

Fast forward to recent events:
-During the Pocket Fit livestream, a viewer asked Arthur to send a Pocket Fit to Max Zhou
-Arthur mentioned the Tesla incident and said Max Zhou was reserved
-Max Zhou heard about it, got upset, and spread in his chat group that Arthur was “cheap” for not turning on his car’s AC, also insulting him

Arthur clarified:
-He didn’t even know what the AC temperature was at the time
-He’s not “cheap” — his Tesla has unlimited free charging
-If owning a million-yuan Tesla makes him “cheap,” what does that say about Max Zhou’s opinion of his customers buying entry-level devices?

-Arthur hated the false rumors
-In response, he pushed forward the Pocket Air Mini preorder earlier than planned, to compete with the 476H
-He admitted that if not for Max Zhou making him mad, he would have only announced it in October. The price stays the same and has not changed because of this

[atomic moat]

probably more to that than what arthur is saying on his side i guess. I can't imagine getting that upset being called "reserved"

[fervent mica]

Tetris DS

[strong marsh]

It's crazy how much drama there is in retro handheld world

[reef shadow]

I'm troubled about the PS2 capabilities of the Mini... Have they found something to elevate the performances?

[sweet veldt]

Love the rivalry if they both try to stick it to each other and get cheaper handhelds , everybody wins

[woeful acorn]

I heard Max Zhou said Arthur is fat because he charges so much for his handhelds and eats the profits. He said there is no way that Arthur could ever charge less than an RG477m for the Pocket S mini.

Also his Tesla smelled like farts.

[mental haven]

Yo screenshot pls

[woeful acorn]

Uhhhhh, Lemme hit up chatgpt real quick.....

[mental haven]

Bummer

[limpid galleon]

it will be worse than on the G99 due to the CPU being a bit weaker, so maybe 1/3 of the library will run, it's certainly not a 6th gen handheld

[reef shadow]

I know, I know... That's why I'm still considering the Konkr 😄

[rain pendant]

I don't think it's worse by much as I recall, but yeah, will be worse.

[limpid galleon]

yeah, the real drawback with the G90T will be battery

maybe the Pocket Micro will last longer despite the way smaller battery

[rain pendant]

The bigger deal is having N64 and Dreamcast for under $100.
In just a month, we went from not really having any that could do those well under that price, to this, Mangmi Air X and the XU Dream 1 having perfect (or near perfect) and upscaled N64/Dreamcast for lower prices

[mental haven]

Surely that’s an exaggeration

[steep jolt]

If you're buying this with the hope of playing PS2 without a hitch, you're looking at the wrong console TBH.

[limpid galleon]

maybe, but the efficiency of this is way worse than the G99

[steep jolt]

People should be seeing this as a mainly 5th gen and older emulation device IMO.

[sweet veldt]

Speaking of the Mangmi X is the T90 better than the SD 662 ?

[zenith breach]

told u ... 2gb enough for that case

[zenith breach]

much better

cpu g99, gpu above

[sweet veldt]

Just wish we seen some Android games in action ( I fast forwarded the video so might of missed it 😅 ) just not sure how well Android gaming will be with 3GBs of Ram

[zenith breach]

android games which this chip can handle, enough 3gb

[sweet veldt]

That's the question though besides emulation up to what kind of Android games can it run ?
It's old so pretty sure newer games like WuWa or ZZZ will be slide shows

[zenith breach]

genshin (30fps) and below games

[sweet veldt]

Wonder if they can do a bundle deal with the Fit + Mini and ship in one package to save shipping costs?

[stiff hatch]

That'd be neat

[limpid galleon]

doubt it, but at least they will ship the Mini with 4PX, so you will stay below $100 total

[zenith breach]

it better

cpu same, gpu above ... stop using rofl sites (with wrong/outdate info)

[maiden ice]

Honestly don’t know since it’s more than I expected out of the chipset, but maybe it’s due to them programming the performance profiles to use more than what the chip usually was allowed to do in phones?

[zenith breach]

easy

active cooling also chipset no limited like on bad phones

[maiden ice]

Like, since they have active cooling, they’re programming this thing to run higher clocks than usual for the G90t as they’re not worried about it overheating when passively cooled (since, well, it’s not using passive cooling in the first place, it’s literally got a fan).

[zenith breach]

it should have more power than even realme 6 with it (best device on that soc)

[maiden ice]

I think this is one of the first few times we were completely 100% on the same page.

[zenith breach]

outdoor test 100%

[tribal tiger]

this is too funny

I guess everybody knows everybody in the handheld industry in China

[sweet veldt]

Arthur seems like too nice of a guy to be a dick , either way I love the beef . We get cheaper prices if they want to undercut each other other

We win

[twilit fog]

What is behind the decision to only have android 11? Is it because of the chip?

[zenith breach]

to spare it with micro

u can install any android on any like that chipset

unofficial

for example android 15 need 3gb ram 😉

if u have less, it will lags allot (talking about official build, not optimized custom)

A14 need 2gb

[crisp fern]

That's kinda how it ran on the psvita gow collection...fair play

[turbid quarry]

"Kinda"?

[zenith breach]

no

no x2

u can run even a14 no problem with 2gb ram

next ask 3gb

A11 just, bc Ayaneo use official android builds and after costomize them

[thorny rain]

Yesterday afternoon's livestream, from 4 PM to this morning's 3 AM, 11 hours of continuous effort resulted in 5,000 pre-orders for the Pocket AIR Mini in just 48 hours. Thank you to all our cloud shareholders!
A product truly designed for gamers, with an exceptional value, coupled with AYANEO's years of brand heritage and supply chain support, the Pocket AIR Mini, the first in our entry-level Android product line, has been met with immediate acclaim.
Last night's livestream showcased the 2G version running God of War 2 at 2x30fps, along with numerous PS2 games (including Pro Evolution Soccer, Resident Evil 4, and Initial D). The 3G version also played Genshin Impact at incredibly high resolution, shocking the retro handheld community. This is a testament to our years of hardware and software expertise.
With a starting price of 499 yuan and its comprehensive capabilities, my claim of "an affordable Android handheld for everyone" has truly become a joke, truly captivating and accessible to all gamers. Will the much-anticipated Pocket AIR Mini be a landmark in retro handheld history?
In addition to thanking our shareholders for their recognition, I'm also grateful for the support from our team, partners, and family. We still have a lot of work to do, and we won't let up.
Here are a few Q&A questions:

1. We demonstrated a hands-on experience with the 2G version. The overall system and software are well-optimized, sufficient for daily use.
   I'll post back to explain the system and software optimization details.
2. The emulator settings we demonstrated don't require complex setup. For example, God of War 2 on the PS2 runs smoothly at a locked 30 FPS at 2x speed, without any frame skipping.
   We'll release a video tutorial later to teach you how to set this up.
3. We're thrilled that our first entry-level handheld game console has been well-received. We initially planned to offer only 1,000 units at a special price, then increased the quantity later.

This wasn't a ruse; we sincerely hope everyone can experience our product and expand our brand influence and reputation. The 499/599 price tag isn't unprofitable (don't worry if you don't believe me; compare the pricing of similar products). We hope to generate revenue from more products in the future as we build our brand.
Of course, this price won't last forever. We'll restore it to its original price when the time is right.

[atomic moat]

Remembered he mentioned the 499/599 discounted units are not profitable in the announcement stream 👀

[hexed jackal]

where is this from?

[strong marsh]

When they will launch preorders for us, westerners?

[vestal flame]

Yep, I need one 😄

[sturdy zinc]

Don’t trust him. Who would make a loss in selling devices. They can’t recoup the cost by selling software like Nintendo or Sony

Let alone 5000 devices. That is a lot for the retro handheld market. I don’t think any other Ayaneo devices have ever sold that many

I like that Arthur is disrupting the market, driving prices down. But I don’t trust what he says. He talks way too much and full of lies

[atomic moat]

He didn't mention loss, just "not profitable", so I assume it covers cost including manpower/salaries.
That was a reply to someone in their stream asking why 499/599 rmb are limited to 3000 units and not just be the normal price.

[left grove]

Not profitable =/= selling at a loss. They could be just breaking even with these limited units, so they're not really making much at all

[main barn]

actually, it seem like a war between mangmi air x and pocket mini.
As pocket mini managed to launch first, i think it steal mangmi thunder and definitely affected mangmi air x sales as some switch to buy pocket mini instead of still waiting for mangmi air x launch.

[dusky tulip]

If ayaneo launches first, I'll definitely get it instead of mangmi

[warm yarrow]

for me the difference comes down to preference. psp gonna be better on mangmi, n64 gonna be better on air mini.

[stiff hatch]

I want a big nice 4:3 screen

[still nacelle]

4:3 for life babyyyyyyyy

1:1 rules too tho

[warm yarrow]

yeh i want 4:3 for my old games, Id rather not play with pillarboxing on 16:9 horizontals.

those not bothered by it tho. both are good options. arguably the mangmi would be better for them. since it would do the same 4:3 just pillarboxed but also unlock psp.

[twin flower]

I need a proper 4:3 horizontal handheld. Lol

[still nacelle]

Not a huge fan of 16:9 but I gotta say GBA looks gorgeous on it

[limpid galleon]

we have so much awesome 4:3 stuff (upcoming) currently

XU Retro Dream One - $66+shipping
AYANEO Pocket Air Mini - $79+shipping
XU Retro Dream Two - $TBD
ANBERNIC RG 476H - $149+shipping
ANBERNIC RG 477M - $279+shipping
AYANEO Pocket S Mini - $TBD

there should be something for everyone

[twin flower]

I'd like to see trimui tackle a 4+ inch 4:3 handheld.

[mental haven]

Replace 477m with the MagicXRetro45

[limpid galleon]

I don't think we will see that any time soon, while we have a clear roadmap for the other stuff

like Dream One and Air Mini will go on pre-sale in October

while Dream Two and S Mini are going head to head in March 2026

[mental haven]

#1352609273280073739 message

let’s hope

[mental haven]

Yeah they’ll probably upgrade the chip which will inevitably delay it

[limpid galleon]

the Anbernic stuff is already available, but I guess we will see another 4:3 from them pretty soon, rg476v or 477h maybe

[mental haven]

Maybe even a handheld with 2x 4:3 screens

[limpid galleon]

for the small price of $199 with a t620

[zenith breach]

price-quality upcoming handhelds list
awesome:
AYANEO Pocket Air Mini - $69+shipping
XU Retro Dream Two - $TBD (if it around 120$)
good:
XU Retro Dream One - $66+shipping
ANBERNIC RG 476H - $149+shipping
great:
ANBERNIC RG 477M - $279+shipping
AYANEO Pocket S Mini - $TBD

[zenith breach]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1YpJdzCELK/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1XHJdz5EZC/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1QxJdzrEtq/

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV19HJdz5Es4/

[warm yarrow]

not too bad.

[modern dew]

Yes, anyone know when?

[upper coyote]

I was going to post the same question and then my follow up question would have been “do I need more than 2GB for ps2 and GC emulation” then I went oh wait, I get it now lol

[misty warren]

I wish there was one good 4:3 system running Linux. I'd take an rg47xxh from anbernic

[warm yarrow]

your closest option is the RPMiniV2

[misty warren]

Ah you mean running Rocknix? I was hoping for a larger screen tho

[warm yarrow]

yes because any other linux based options dont exist for anything that needs more power than PS1 atm.

[zenith breach]

this will 200% get linux

most popular handheld will be for year

[warm yarrow]

name 1 ayaneo device currently with a linux build.

[zenith breach]

0

[warm yarrow]

exactly.

[zenith breach]

bc they not popular, bc of price

or not even close to be

[misty warren]

Are there any mediatek devices with Linux?

[warm yarrow]

afaik no.

rocknix basically is only on snapdragon devices atm and old cheap rockchip and h700 esque devices.

[mental haven]

the only mediatek chips that support linux are inside of chromebooks I think

[zenith breach]

no

[mental haven]

so you have to rely on allwinner for linux

[zenith breach]

allot of them support

but noone want make custom build

[mental haven]

I don't blame them

why would they

[zenith breach]

Air will get it

[misty warren]

Would consider grabbing an air if it got a Linux cfw

[mental haven]

haven't seen them announcing it, like they did for the pocket ds

[misty warren]

But probably would prefer an even bigger screen

[zenith breach]

yeh

[cold glacier]

Isn't the Pocket DS SD, though?

[misty warren]

Pocket ds uses snapdragon?

[zenith breach]

pocket 5

[mental haven]

G3x Gen2, yes

[warm yarrow]

yeah trust a total stranger spouting total random lies based on nothing lol

a device brand that never gets linux support, on a chipset that never gets linux support will totally get linux support. trust him lol.

[mental haven]

It won't ever get linux

[zenith breach]

[upper coyote]

And from my perspective, the only reason we got Rocknix on the 865 and 8gen2 is bc Ayn (or Retroid, can’t remember which) worked with the batocera team to create an Linux OS. Then the Rocknix team worked off of that. Without the console maker being willing to work with a Linux OS team, I don’t see any indication this device will get Linux.

[upper coyote]

I didn’t see this! The idea of Rocknix coming to Pocket DMG is awesome

[upper coyote]

Idk, this same guy said the Konkr Pocket Fit would start at $250 for the 8gen3 days before Aya announced it and I was extremely skeptical of that.

[mental haven]

I think if anything, this opens up linux for all ayaneo devices with a G3x Gen2 + 16:9 and 1080p like the evo and the pocket s

not sure if rocknix wants to tailor their cfw to a 1240x1080 display

but they very possibly could do so

[mental haven]

Yeah retroid used to market ''official batocera'' support even though the batocera devs themselves didnt know anything about it. retroid meant to say that they are gonna officially support it themselves by having one of their devs port it to the rp5 and mini.

[upper coyote]

Well adjusting the aspect ratio is easyish compared to all the work required to get working on a new chipset. Just look at how quick all of the CFWs gets ported on the many anbernic H700 devices with varying screens, resolutions, and aspect ratios.

[mental haven]

you're completely right

[upper coyote]

Also Rocknix started for retro 4:3 3566 devices as JELOS. But it all depends on what the devs are interested in porting to at the end of the day

[maiden ice]

Which does actually count as official Batocera support since they literally did everything you’re supposed to do in Batocera’s rules when providing support for a new device, up to and including open source drivers for all the device components.

Like, it was still a decent bit lousy that they didn’t contact them beforehand at all, but it’s way freaking better than what Anbernic pulled for their rk3566 Linux firmware.

[mental haven]

while that is true it could have helped to be a little bit more specific, since most people aren't familiar with how the whole using open source cfw on your device thing works

it all worked out in the end though

[maiden ice]

Oh it definitely would’ve helped avoid the controversy beforehand, but I’d definitely still say they weren’t wrong to claim it was official support, since it, by the proper open source terms, literally was official support.

[mental haven]

true true

[zenith breach]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-cat-sleep-cat-gif-1833006167751974340

[zenith breach]

https://youtu.be/twMDDy4WAs0 reupload on yt, who dont have account on bilibili

[cloud falcon]

Man. Watching some of the stuff in that vid I wish the screen was bigger 😆

[zenith breach]

wont be pocketable like that

[cloud falcon]

I know. But some of that wasn't readable except to ants

Sucks edge to edge budget isn't a thing

[tribal tiger]

I'm not confident that this will be very pocketable tbh

[twilit fog]

So the preorder is already over for this?

Crowdfund or whatever

[sweet veldt]

Is this using frame skip or something?
I’ve watched @sweet ridge video on the 476H and it didn’t seem this smooth and it was with the T820 that supposedly is more powerful but didn’t run GOW as smooth

[zenith breach]

hes not

yeah, bc they dont know how to use emulators 😄

[sweet veldt]

Not sure about as he has some great reviews.
He regularly puts out good content

[zenith breach]

shit happenes

[umbral ruin]

Derek definitely knows about frame skip. But you shouldn't use frameskip in demonstrations. You are suppose to show it raw

[sweet veldt]

True , but everyone is saying the T820 is better but from what little Ive seen the T90 is at least just as good if not better fir some PS2 games

[zenith breach]

T820 much better

[sweet veldt]

It’s just confusing watching different videos saying different

[upper coyote]

It says it is at 30fps so I assume that means frame skip of 1

[sweet veldt]

That’s the part im confused on , either way the Pocket Mini has impressed

[sweet ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-rang-hair-flip-gif-23749235

[zenith breach]

what

G90T Air Mini

they definitely improve firmware

[steep jolt]

Someone make a real 4:3 OLED console pls.

[rain pendant]

I'm assuming that's what the mortgage screen on the Mini 2 is gonna be (or V3? Idk what they're gonna call it)

[zenith breach]

@sweet veldt https://youtu.be/h7XaTWz8zSU?t=1329

time code with GOW on right settings

[sweet veldt]

This explains a lot and thanks for clarifying

[hexed jackal]

would going for 2x res 30FPS mean you can run it on 1x 60FPS, or that's not quite the same?

[jaunty storm]

probably not, its not always so linear

[fervent mica]

Not really, it'll probably fluctuate between 40 and 50 fps...which is a worse experience than a steady 30 fps

[rain pendant]

It's based on the max fps the system can hit.
If it can't hit 60fps, then 1x 60fps won't work

But setting it to a lower fps it can hit will

[zenith breach]

No

it has good gpu for 2x, but not enough cpu power for 60fps

it should be at least T820

845* with heavy tweaks

[tribal tiger]

I don't think I'd play GoW at 30 fps tbh

like at that point just get another handheld

[zenith breach]

:/

[tribal tiger]

nobody on YouTube tests GoW at x1 frameskip because it's understood that nobody wants to play GoW at 30 fps lol

[zenith breach]

its not frameskip

bruh... framerate lock

[tribal tiger]

of course it is, a frameskip of x1 is how you get a 60 fps game running at 30

[zenith breach]

😄

[hexed jackal]

but then again, GoW2 on real hardware is closer to 30fps on combat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzfcYWsjoI

idk I haven't played it at all...

[zenith breach]

yes

ps2 almost every tiltles 30 fps with drops

heavy*

but instead of limit like now do, it has unlocked ... so its not realy smooth and u can feel it

for example need for speed, start race, original console fps can deep to 20

ps2

[sweet ridge]

What did I miss. I don’t know how to test PS2 apparently

[zenith breach]

seems like, since guy make conclusion that G90T has better performance vs T820

[upper coyote]

Doubling frame rate is harder than doubling resolution as the former essentially includes the latter plus a lot more

[hexed jackal]

yeah kinda figured that's the case. oh well, will mostly run turn based RPGs on this anyway (if I even run PS2 on this)

[sweet ridge]

I’m gonna copy game to internal to rule out any sd card foul play and do some more tests.

Reset all settings, moved to internal. Still runs just as bad

[zenith breach]

just copy taki udon settings ...

https://youtu.be/h7XaTWz8zSU?t=1329

[sweet ridge]

Runs better in the next scene.

[zenith breach]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yTnFzgEEx/

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-dancing-fun-funny-dance-dance-moves-gif-10051361099218732674

[sweet veldt]

Well the video from the 476H didn’t show it running as well as the Air and sub 20FPS
I know the T820 is better but it’s funny watching it run at 30FPS with the T90 .
Thats the part I found confusing it runs better on weaker hardware so I was thinking they used frameskip or something

[warm yarrow]

the mortgage screen was just them not fucking up the lg wing screens like they did initially lol

[sturdy zinc]

It’s a new custom screen

#899611748577980417 message

[fervent mica]

Another livestream to celebrate 6000 sales 😆

[muted root]

How many years will it take to ship them

[sturdy zinc]

Feels like Arthur just wants to be a streamer like Hideo Kojima wants to be a movie director

Also he probably thought Konkr Pocket Fit would take off like Air Mini because they listed 15k units on IGG

I wonder if the the branding made a big difference too. If you kept Ayaneo branding for Pocket Fit, it may sell a lot more

[woven heath]

All of them

[lavish ocean]

Just saw a video of this thing playing PS2 games. Can it really play PS2 games properly? The RG476H struggles, so how can this cheaper device do it?

[turbid quarry]

It can't really

It can do some PS2 games

[strong marsh]

I think if you will scroll up, @zenith breach shared Taki's video on T820. It can play PS2 much better but needs some tinkering

[turbid quarry]

And those are what they're showing

[strong marsh]

And Pocket Air Mini needs more tinkering but has worse results anyway;).

[lavish ocean]

Ok

[tribal tiger]

have they ever sold 6k units of anything? this seems like their biggest hit ever

[vestal flame]

what will be lovely is when they give us the chance to order the damn thing 😄

[rain pendant]

If this still has the Ayaneo build quality to it, it will be a contender for one of the greatest handhelds ever especially for its price point.
Like, legitimately hard to recommend many other handhelds as a starting point to the hobby levels of good.

[atomic moat]

With the amount sold, they need to produce this at least 50x faster that they produce stuff like the pocket s2 and ace

[twilit fog]

Where was the sale even at?

[tribal tiger]

I guess the hope is they can scale production the more they sell

[cloud falcon]

China

[limpid galleon]

well, those are domestic numbers, I think their stuff is doing fairly well over there compared to their IGG campaigns

[twilit fog]

Ah, unforunately my passport is not up to date

[zenith breach]

if g90T has 15% more power on cpu, it will reach T820 lvl without gpu bound

[cloud falcon]

I'd have to assume they do much better domestically cause I dunno how they'd keep this pace up with just their IGG sales

Like they have to be making more money than a couple hundred sales

[twin flower]

No on-sale date for U.S., yet, right?

[crystal echo]

I havent gotten any email updates so yeah, still no international release date yet.

[elder tapir]

I'd take tinkering with settings over paying $60 USD more for an RG406H/Cube

[stiff hatch]

I'd like to play retro games on some new hardware... I love the tactility of it 😅

[elder tapir]

I was just gonna stick with PC emulation for 6th-gen systems, and that probably delivers objectively better performance, but this has me so interested

[zenith breach]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1syJZzTEis/

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yTnFzgEEx/

[twin flower]

I'm going to day one this and A/B it with my Retroid Pocket Classic and sell my least favorite. I'm PS1/Dreamcast and below, so it'll probably come down to shader performance, screen, and ergo. RPC is one of the least comfortable handhelds I've purchased.

Fine with an Etsy grip, but clunky that it needs one.

[tribal tiger]

well verticals are always going to compromise on comfort a bit compared to horizontals

I wouldn't make a vertical my main daily driver

[elder tapir]

I'd keep my R36S around for PS1 and below, but shift N64 use to this

[tribal tiger]

I would look into the RP Mini V2 if you enjoy the screen of the classic but want something more ergonomic

[stiff hatch]

what type of screen is in this one, again? same as in the Anbernic?

[zenith breach]

custom panel

4.2

[stiff hatch]

what about the refresh rate?

[zenith breach]

60

[stiff hatch]

:/

[limpid galleon]

it's not a custom panel

[zenith breach]

it is (info not confirmed, only rumor)

they will reuse it many times

[limpid galleon]

dude, people found these for sale online before we had the screen specs by Aya

[zenith breach]

yeah, ik that diferent

KT will use what peoples found

[twin flower]

100%. I've thought about it, just didn't want to spend that much. 🤷‍♂️

[mental haven]

whatever is making up stuff all the time

[limpid galleon]

we know

[jaunty storm]

I think hes very very lonely and should buy a handheld so he can play games other than post the benchmark

[urban hull]

Life is more than just Benchmarks, they are Great for reference....but they are not everything

[jaunty storm]

you can benchmark your 🐓 all you want
its sure to impress the ladies

[zenith breach]

i like toxic kids, who try to look funny

[jaunty storm]

its ok you tried

[zenith breach]

https://youtu.be/jkpHUyd6QQ8

[tribal tiger]

I like the position of the sticks on this one

it's dpad top but the sticks look usable

[zenith breach]

best possible stick pozition imo

higher = uh, not for me, lower uh even worst

[left grove]

It also looks comfortable to hold

[sweet veldt]

Only nitpick is I wish the start/select buttons were on top and not bottom

[still nacelle]

Hotkeys on top <3

[urban notch]

Ali Listings
I'm guessing they're resellers

[still nacelle]

intl. pre-orders are mid-october arent they

[urban notch]

yes

[stiff hatch]

how better is this device going to be compared to the RP2S?

[jaunty storm]

pushes way further into the GC/PS2 library with less compromises but probably not full library

and cheaper than the RPS2 was during its EOL sale
and bigger better screen

I think it will draw comparisons but since the RPS2 isnt available anymore its more of "look at this successor" rather than anything else

[limpid galleon]

2/3 GCN and 1/3 PS2 is kinda what you should reasonable expect from this

[limpid galleon]

The Dream One is more of an RP2S successor tbh

[zenith breach]

x times better

[stiff hatch]

I'm battling with the decision what 4:3 to get or to wait it out

[zenith breach]

rp2s can play lite gc games at max, this thing can play heavy ps2 with 30 fps lock and almost all gc games
if u understand benchs: so it look like that

[left grove]

Im waiting for reviews. Rn im gonna rock my RP Mini until i see legit results from Russ and co

[stiff hatch]

I do have the rp2s, so I was asking to make myself a clearer picture

[zenith breach]

vs

air mini should be even better than this phone on g90t bc of aya firmware and active cooling

[stiff hatch]

I was thinking of getting the rg476h but I blew this month's budget on the konkr fit already... So now I'm thinking whether or not I should wait for this one which is cheaper but I don't like the design as much

[verbal salmon]

I’m thinking I’ll get the Ayaneo Pocket Air Mini, then sell it next year to buy the MagicX Two48 — if it’s as good as it looks, that is.

MagicX Two48 (D7350)
4.8-inch, 1440×1080

[zenith breach]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV12MJrzoEsR/

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sVJrzWEKx/

[stiff hatch]

I know it's a render but it looks so basic 😅

[green temple]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-umm-meme-gif-13913238

[green temple]

that looks like the dream 1 but bigger

love it

should be 3ds xl size

[empty sentinel]

looks pretty nice tbh

i kinda like the pocket air mini it looks like a cool toy lol

can this run gamecube games

[green temple]

Chipset seems to rival sd865 and d1100

should be a great gamecube and ps2 machine

[empty sentinel]

sick

so the ayaneo pocket air mini rivals the t820?

so like i can play mk double dash on it?

[green temple]

pocket air mini is more like rivaling the t618

Preformance shouldn't be forreign if you owned an rg405m

[empty sentinel]

ohh

atleast i can play mvc2

and sonic adventure 2

[zenith breach]

no

t820 better

G90T better than G99, thats it (bc gpu)

with heavy tweaks it can run heavy ps2 stuff 30 fps stable

[main barn]

not true u need to c the antutu benchmark it is slower than t820

[zenith breach]

wtf u on

[green temple]

the d7350?

[zenith breach]

crazy

7350 is close to 865 lvl, until u get gpu bound

memetutu guy ;D

[green temple]

isn't the gpu slightly better than the sd865?

[zenith breach]

drivers ...

turnip and boom 15-20% boost from air

[maiden ice]

Wait what? No, it’s only around the same as the G99 (either it’s “better GPU, worse CPU”, or it’s just slightly worse in both regards).

It’s still better than the SD662 and the Helio G85, and especially way better than the T618, but it’s not D1100/SD865 territory.

[green temple]

drivers don't really impact gamecube and ps2 preformance all that much no?

[zenith breach]

omg another

[zenith breach]

no

[zenith breach]

WAKE UP

magnetic storms or what ...

[maiden ice]

Dude, I’m agreeing with you! The G90T isn’t close to the SD865 or D1100, it’s not even close to the D900 or T820.

[zenith breach]

we talk about 7350!!!

next era sub 150$ gaming

[maiden ice]

Oh god damnit, I was talking about the G90T.

[zenith breach]

welcome back

[maiden ice]

Yeah, the D7350 should be pretty comparable to those.

[green temple]

I hope from now on we'll all talk about the rp4p as a secondary option and not the main thing for budgeters seeking preformance

[maiden ice]

That’s assuming the thing won’t already be around the same price for used options considering the other handheld will be a year from now.

[green temple]

Retroid products are not common at all where I live, or retro handhelds as a matter. Buying these things used is out of the question.

[zenith breach]

D7350 in trash phone (very bad passive cooling)

[green temple]

The specs are similar to a 6 gen 4 right?

[zenith breach]

hold on, im trying to find nothing 2a plus codename

it should be better with this soc

[green temple]

my new phone will probably be that, seems like a common soc among budget phones releasing nowadays

[zenith breach]

@green temple Nothing Phone (2a) plus - D7350

finally ...

huge single boost (which is most demanding for emulation)

should be 1:1 same/better lvl in task where drivers wont limit it

[zenith breach]

Realme 14 (6 gen 4)