AyaNeo Pocket Air Mini

[umbral ruin]

2GB of ram is really low for Android.

[rain pendant]

It is, but I’ve seen plenty of people love the Zero 28 which is exactly that, 2gb Android

But it’s also got a custom frontend

[rain pendant]

Excuse me what

[atomic moat]

hmm, early bird seems better than domestic?

[rain pendant]

Am I reading those prices right?

[atomic moat]

those are "early birds" price

not sure on the units available for international

[ivory dagger]

shipping balances it out tbf

[pearl helm]

Ok gimme a shop to buy from

[rain pendant]

Considering I was expecting like $100 for early bird? Way lower still than I expected

[atomic moat]

they better dont charge 30 usd for shipping

[pearl helm]

$100 shipped early bird im
In

[umbral ruin]

why wouldnt they 😅

[rain pendant]

4px shipping pls

[umbral ruin]

All their previous devices had $30 shipping

[rain pendant]

Not expecting it from Aya, but would be so good

[steep jolt]

$110 shipped is still a good enough price.

[atomic moat]

choosing g90t over g99, plus the ram choice, they really trying to keep the cost prices down

[umbral ruin]

I think $10 for 1 extra GB of ram is worth it

[pearl helm]

When are they shipping? Or selling

[vestal flame]

yeah those prices are fine for me. I'll prob order one tbh

[ivory dagger]

Mid-October for pre-orders overseas

[vestal flame]

whats the battery size?

[pearl helm]

4500

[vestal flame]

decent size tbh

[rain pendant]

Not bad for what you’d play on this

[pearl helm]

18w charging

[vestal flame]

and depending on how effiecent the chip is it could be fun

[versed shore]

Yeah I think the 2GB model is mostly here to upsell from an XX device, and then another 10$ to actually get a good product.

[vestal flame]

yah for that price depending on shipping costs this feels like a nice toy to tinker with

[versed shore]

2GB is rough. Did aya mention custom frontend for this device?

[atomic moat]

retroid kind of miss the chance to release a horizontal g1 gen 2 with a cheaper (compared to the 3.92 oled) screen

[atomic moat]

you mean aya? this supposed to have their usual software stack.
which i not sure if even the 3gb might be sufficient

[vestal flame]

the classic as a horizontal device would be fun

[rain pendant]

I’m assuming Beacon and ESDE both would work on this, right?

[versed shore]

Yep, but I don't think they shipped a 2GB device before

[reef shadow]

Wow that’s low! But if there is $30 of shipping and DHL…

[atomic moat]

i guessing 80/90 USD outside of some limited units preorder

[rain pendant]

Really want to see that myself.
I’d even take the RP3+/RP4 form factor with that chip for PSP and 16:9 Gamecube/PS2/Wii

[ivory dagger]

Probably

[atomic moat]

some ayaneo rep says "around 20 usd" for shipping, i hope it differ for regions though

[versed shore]

This price is undercutting mangmi, didn't expect it

[rain pendant]

Yeah, surprisingly competitive.
Imo, mainly a choice of form factor here

[green temple]

pocketable vs non-pocketable

[pearl helm]

Just gimme that shop link before I change my mind

[tribal tiger]

that's... really good

[rain pendant]

Mangmi Air X could be pocketable in some larger pockets, but it’ll be more of a slingbag handheld compared to Air Mini yeah

[green temple]

If this thing has a headphone jack I think this'll be my next handheld

it fits in perfectly with my other ones

[ivory dagger]

It does

[green temple]

Right now my ps vita is supposed to be my main pocketable emulation machine but it just doesn't really do such a good job.

also the ps vita speakers are low volume, and I hate that more than anything

even when using a headphone

[reef shadow]

This low price troubles me, but I was dreaming of a 4:3 device capable of smooth PS2 which aren’t the Air Mini and the 476H…
Maybe I do have to wait for a RP Mini 2…

[woven vale]

Same. Had high hopes for both. This why you should never dream big 🤣

[tribal tiger]

the RP Mini exists already

[spring rune]

RP Mini and rg477 does that.

[green temple]

Honestly that's not a bad move, if you want a ps2 machine with oled

[woven vale]

Think i will carry on using rp mini like you say

[green temple]

rp mini screen is too small for what it is, and the grips make it be like 32mms thick which is not pocket friendly, that's why I passed on it

[reef shadow]

The RP Mini is a bit too small to my taste and RG477 has not analog triggers (and not a good price currently)

[rain pendant]

This wasn’t intended to be that anyways.
I suppose I would’ve been interested in seeing like a $150 tier option with a Qualcomm, but unsure if Ayaneo will be making more Code R kind of devices

[spring rune]

Then get the 476 and deal with decent ps2 instead

[rain pendant]

Fairly possible if this does well

[reef shadow]

The alternative would be the Konkr Pocket Fit which would translate to 4.9" 4:3 ans would add nice PSP capabilities.

[green temple]

4.9 may not be pocketable anymore, unless they do razor thin bezels

[reef shadow]

One of the main PS2 game I want to play is GT4 and the T820 is not capable to run it smoothly from what I have seen and I don’t want to tinker for each title I want to play.

[rain pendant]

Yeah, you’d basically need at least an RP4P or better for GT4

[ivory dagger]

If you check the stream now, Arthur is fondling the handheld, so that's exciting

[hot steeple]

The price is admittedly really good for what it is, wish they made a higher end version though

[spring rune]

This is an excellent entry point and exactly what aya was missing, they're pretty well rounded now

[hexed jackal]

yeah a version between this and the Ace/DMG would have been ideal

[rain pendant]

Like a 4gb model with a slightly better chip?

Curious when we’ll see more G1 Gen 2 devices speaking of which

[hot steeple]

8 GB ram 2x ps2 capable chip would've been my ideal version

[tepid mango]

4 gb with g1 gen 2 is a great start for me

[green temple]

1x ps2 still integerscales so win either way

[hot steeple]

Assuming it can run at 1x

The t820 still struggles with heavier titles

[green temple]

would love to see this device with linux for portmaster and pico8

also a snappy os is definitely needed

[hot steeple]

Ayaneos android software is pretty good imo

[green temple]

I'm not sure how snappy modern android would be with 2gbs of ram

[pearl helm]

Gt4 doesn’t even run perfect on steam deck

On certain courses anyway

[steep jolt]

It's running Android 11.

[rain pendant]

Oh yeah, I was gonna ask what Android version this was running

[pearl helm]

Will that mean problems with emulators or not? Android 11

[green temple]

my old tablet with 4gbs of ram an t618 equivalent chip ram okay

it wasn't snappy, but far from sluggish

it wasn't sluggish at all

[spring rune]

Not any that you'd wanna use this device for anyway.

[tepid mango]

I dont think so

[rain pendant]

Android 11 should be more than fine for N64 and Dreamcast

[tepid mango]

Is more like the mangmi air X, is going to run some titles, but not all of them

[tepid mango]

Thats the problem for me, a 4:3 screen with a processor that dont run ps2 and gc is strange

[steep jolt]

Nothing strange about it. Great for PSX and weaker.

[spring rune]

how is that strange lol

[steep jolt]

It's a budget device. We don't expect budget devices to run PS2 or GC.. Not yet at least.

Never thought I'd see the day Ayaneo making a budget device. That's the biggest surprise here.

[rain pendant]

"Retro Game Frontend | Custom desktop" I'm assuming this is referring to the usual software they have on their other devices?

[green temple]

do you guys think this'll handle 2d saturn games?

likely not

[rain pendant]

Probably could with the Yaba core if you don't care about full accuracy

[ivory dagger]

Saturn is finicky. It should do plenty of it fine, but you never know with specific games

[green temple]

I mostly care about the saturn port of castlevania sotn

[spring rune]

that should be easy

[atomic moat]

is there a list of games that dont run well (without glitch) on the yaba variants?

[green temple]

does saturn have perfect compatibility with powerful desktop pcs?

[mental flower]

oh man this looks like a great buy lol

[little cove]

I think beetle Saturn is close to 100% isn’t it?

[green temple]

Hmm.. so there's not much of a reason to get an original saturn console anymore is there?

[versed shore]

Does anyone know what version of android its gonna run?

[spring rune]

11

[past summit]

3 GB of ram
RIP

[zenith breach]

WOW

legendary soc

moment when mtk start worth something

[past summit]

Not even worth the 50 dollars imo

[green temple]

ch.. they should be paying me to take it from them

[turbid quarry]

G90T seems to be quite good for $70

[crisp fern]

2 FUCKING GIGABYTES

[turbid quarry]

Though idk if those models are 2 GB and 3 GB RAM

[fervent mica]

This is the 2gb model playing Kingdom Hearts II PS2

[turbid quarry]

Because that seems too low

[crisp fern]

TWO GIGABYTES

WHAT

[zenith breach]

😮

[spring rune]

To be fair even the old rk3566 devices from years back ran android 11 totally fine with 2gb. And this has significantly more power.

[zenith breach]

damn its way better than i can predict

insane option for that price

[past summit]

More power

[rain pendant]

This and the Mangmi Air X both very much killed off the similarly priced H700 devices

[rain pendant]

It's just $10 more for 3gb lol

[zenith breach]

this thing kill almost everything

[umbral ruin]

Nobody should buy the 2gb version when the 3gb Is only $10 more

[mental flower]

could have been my endgame device if it was released a couple of months earlier

although ig that I'd want some Switch handheld eventually

[spring rune]

what are you trying to imply with these reactions, use your big boy words

[turbid quarry]

What does the RAM actually mean
Does it affect N64/DC/PSP

[umbral ruin]

They didn't say what regular pricing. It's a great deal only if you get the early bird pricing

[versed shore]

That's definitely an upsell, yes

[ivory dagger]

3566 Android was not fun

[zenith breach]

doesnt

above yes

[rain pendant]

I think the 3gb model is $100 regular pricing it was said.

Which is still not bad

$100 is what I was expecting for early bird given what company this is x3

[umbral ruin]

100+shipping isn't really competing with xx or rk3566. Still good value tho

[zenith breach]

g90t better

[rain pendant]

I think the larger screen, ergos and near perfect N64 with the chip make this a great value for sure

Haven't really seen anything like this since the RP2S (which makes me miss it all the more 😔)

[crisp fern]

G90T > T618

[rain pendant]

I really want to see some more handhelds start using the G1 Gen 2

[zenith breach]

G90t has very good gpu, u will be able to play many android games, switch, x86

in fact it will have same performance even in cpu bound emulation vs G99

trust me, it was insane device for that price

[rain pendant]

Can that even do the lightweight Switch games actually?
Would assume just stuff like Sonic Mania or Celeste, Cuphead, etc

[zenith breach]

ofc can

[rain pendant]

Not sure I'd wanna play those on a 4:3 screen personally

[zenith breach]

it can run silk song no problem

[spring rune]

that would be where the ram limitations hit you so likely not

[mental flower]

this can emulate lighter GameCube games right

e.g. Colosseum

[zenith breach]

ye

[rain pendant]

It should handle stuff like Animal Crossing and Pikmin no problem yeah

[zenith breach]

most of gc stuff will be playable

half of ps2

[rain pendant]

Especially if you use the MMJR2 VBI version of Dolphin

I've been able to surprisingly play Monkey Ball ok enough on my Galaxy A15. Not sure what the chip on that is, but it's not something that great, that much Ik x)

[zenith breach]

its totally gamechanger

my respect Ayaneo ... u surprise even me with price/soc

[rain pendant]

Ok, it's a G99 which is similar to G90T

[mental flower]

just happy that Anbernic finally have a midrange competitor lol

they're getting away with murder in this segment

[zenith breach]

it get killed

[rain pendant]

Yeah, this will play the same games I've been playing on my A15 with MMJR2 fairly well

[zenith breach]

G90T cost more btw 😉

it better soc

just need time, when peoples understand what it capable to run

[rain pendant]

We at least know it will do N64 and below perfectly or near perfect

[zenith breach]

it will run allot x86 old games

bc of gpu

[vestal flame]

think this is the first time ive seen Whatever happy, it's nice

[thorn swan]

he's not happy, he's aggressively content with the SoC choice

[rain pendant]

That's how you know it's good 🔥
But I"m gonna wait for reviews

My older brother has been considering something that can play N64 and below as gifts for his two sons

[woeful acorn]

I want info on the free one for s2 owners.

[rain pendant]

This or the Mangmi Air X would be great for them

[thorn swan]

Real Gamers know Gamers but can't put the select/start in the right place, this irks me on aya devices

[atomic moat]

cost more than g99 or another chip? hard to believe a 12nm 2019 chip costing more than a 6nm 2022 one

[zenith breach]

g99

[versed shore]

G90(T) is more power hungry, has slower cpu, and almost zero demand from phone makers compared to G99. It's definitely cheaper for ayaneo lol.

[rain pendant]

It's only a little bit slower cpu though, right?

If I saw the benchmark stuff right.
Not sure about in practice

[versed shore]

The difference is minimal though, probably not even 4 dollars. Basically splitting hairs

[atomic moat]

yep, 2.05 vs 2.2, around 7%

[zenith breach]

ah, wait ... ill show actually benchmarks

update

[thorn swan]

is this thing going to sell on Aliexpress?

[zenith breach]

yh

[rain pendant]

I think the gpu being better on G90T is the bigger deal to me for shaders

The GPU is the main reason the RP Classic doesn't do as well with shaders as you'd expect

[mental flower]

just saw the Chinese announcement that they're selling this on JD.com, time to recommend this to my irl acquaintances

free shipping on JD.com!

[vestal flame]

i'll prob pick one of these up, would be first time ive bought anything from AYA direct 😄

[flat kite]

that price is fucking insane

ive never been interested in ayaneo stuff but for 80 bucks? shiiit

ill check it out

[rain pendant]

Anbernic found dead in a river. More news at 11

Ok but in all seriousness though, I hope this and the Air X both means we start getting more N64 and below devices at these price points

[flat kite]

ayaneo is out for blood

[flat kite]

frrr

great n64 and dreamcast for under 100, cmon

[zenith breach]

ready for magic? it just a poor phone

KT-R1 has active cooling

handheld will reach more 🙂

[versed shore]

My favourite game, GB6

[zenith breach]

still have quastions?

G90T better in any case

[flat kite]

give this a 1:1 screen and id buy 20

[rain pendant]

I just showed the Air Mini to my older brother just now, and yeah he's interested in this for his two kids.

[zenith breach]

also ik G90T get boost from custom p.l tuning

[rain pendant]

One of them really loves Sonic. Would be hella nice for him to be play to play both Adventure games for under 100 bucks

[zenith breach]

dont use that site

[atomic moat]

why not?

[zenith breach]

bc allot of wrong scores

[turbid quarry]

I feel like I never wanna see another benchmark test for the rest of my goddamn life lol

[zenith breach]

just find device with soc what u need, and real reviews

also u will know model name, and can just go on geekbench site and see all of tests on it

[atomic moat]

even ayaneo official marketing shows g90t being slightly weaker in cpu and slightly stronger in gpu (though nothing mentioned about process node and power usage).
i dont see it contradicting the notebookcheck results
if you think ayaneo is wrong, maybe you want to email them to teach the correct way to do benchmarking on their devices

[zenith breach]

bc they use the same site

like XU Luna shows nanoreview

[rain pendant]

Again, we're basically splitting hairs here over small differences lol

[zenith breach]

in real scenario results different

[rain pendant]

My takeaway from this all is "we're getting another great N64/Dreamcast device for under 100"

[zenith breach]

we getting insane device for GC and below

[atomic moat]

To me its about the same, just older node. but whatever mentioning g90t is better and cost more 🤣

[zenith breach]

also switch and x64 (bc of gpu)

for under 100$

[rain pendant]

All I'll say is, if you're getting into the hobby for the first time, or know someone who wants to get into it or love something like this, this is a great starter handheld

[hot steeple]

I'm not sure that 3gb ram is enough for winlator

[green temple]

maybe for pico8 (?)

[zenith breach]

it is

[rain pendant]

Just older titles and indie games if at all

[zenith breach]

even on new gen platformers enough

like silk song

[rain pendant]

Doesn't the RP5 only play Silksong at like 40 fps?

[zenith breach]

no

[green temple]

Dude, I got an rtx 2070 super and my pc's fan is load as fuck when playing silk song

[ivory dagger]

Wait they announced a new handheld lol

[zenith breach]

WHAT

[rain pendant]

Oh?

[hot steeple]

POCKET S MINI?

[umbral ruin]

Another one..

[pearl helm]

What.. the.. fuck

[woven vale]

Ooo now were talking

[ivory dagger]

G3 Gen 2

[tribal tiger]

oh

[ivory dagger]

This was what the custom screen was actually for

[green temple]

the one in the pocket air mini?

[hot steeple]

I have no idea what he's talking about on the stream but he seems very excited

[ivory dagger]

I think it's the same screen

[zenith breach]

wtf

what it looks so clean

[ivory dagger]

Releasing in March I believe

[pearl helm]

Same screen on a budget handheld and premium one, seems strange

[green temple]

protruding sticks, so not pocketable

pass

[pearl helm]

March meh

[ivory dagger]

No love handles unfortunately

[hot steeple]

March is crazy

[rain pendant]

Put it in a pouch :p

[blissful pine]

this is the g3x model

nty

[zenith breach]

yeah, its too powerfull for that factor, another dmg moment

865 will be much and much better

or 1100-1200

[hot steeple]

Nah give me g3x gen 2

[blissful pine]

g3x also falls behind the normal 8g2 in the odin if I remember correctly

[rain pendant]

Wait, what is that like compared to G3 Gen 3?

[blissful pine]

drivers are hit or miss I think

[zenith breach]

no

[atomic moat]

why can't they reuse the chassis though

[zenith breach]

G3x better in any case

[green temple]

Pouch handhelds:
unzip bag, take out the pouch and unzip that aswell, take out handheld

Pocket handhelds:
take out handheld

[rain pendant]

You're not wrong...

[zenith breach]

20-25% slower

[rain pendant]

I usually perfer clamshells for that personally though

[zenith breach]

in some case even more gap

[blissful pine]

you can find videos on the chip on youtube

[pearl helm]

So back to the air mini

[umbral ruin]

The only devices I'm willing to put in pocket are small like trimui brick or miyoo mini. Everything else needs case or pouch..

[rain pendant]

Which reminds me, I want a clamshell for N64 and under.
Flip 1 isn't sold anymore, nor common secondhand

[zenith breach]

yes

G3x has 0 problem

full turnip support, overclocked 8gen2 gpu

cpu the same

more extensions

[blissful pine]

[zenith breach]

zero cons

[green temple]

I NEED the trimui brick sp

Trimui brick sp raaaahhh!

[zenith breach]

also it can be undervolt and getting performance boost like 10%

which is crazy

[atomic moat]

the pocket s was quite toasty? would be worse in this S mini especially where your fingers grip the device

[blissful pine]

toasty and less supported

[surreal ocean]

Less supported how?

[blissful pine]

drivers

[surreal ocean]

You mean these drivers?

[zenith breach]

[turbid quarry]

Welcome back RP Mini

[surreal ocean]

I have zero problems running anything on pocket Ace, same chip. Very well supported.

[blissful pine]

been a few guess they got them out then I am wrong

still prefer a g3

[atomic moat]

really feels similar to the pocket air vs pocket s situation, they already have a good/existing design but choose to change it for the more premium but less practical design

[blissful pine]

especially in that small shell

[atomic moat]

he saying not < 2000 rmb for the s mini, else he will do pole dancing in his stream or something, not sure if jesting

[surreal ocean]

Please no

😆

[blissful pine]

since its ayaneo its prob gonna be in the 300's+

[maiden ice]

Ok yeah, so this thing is literally a better price than the Mangmi Air X on top of being relatively more powerful (not snapdragon, but the other one is Snapdragon 662 and I don’t even know if it’s particular GPU are even supported properly).

[blissful pine]

is this thing thicker than the normal S series

lil chonk

[green temple]

probably

[maiden ice]

Fuck it, I’m more than fine with that considering the alternative is DHL.

[vestal flame]

fuck yeah 4px

[blissful pine]

I have never used 4px before

how good are they in the states

[maiden ice]

They’re pretty decent overall from my usage, DHL usually was consistently way faster (4PX had their own moments of being shockingly fast, but it wasn’t anywhere as consistent) but they also charge a shit ton more.

[rain pendant]

Oh shit, they ARE doing 4PX, nice!

Did not expect it

[blissful pine]

yea someone just said that they got a s2 from droix with dhl and had to pay 60 dollars on delivery from them

which for like a 600 dollar device isn't the worst

[woven heath]

whats the screen specs?

[strong marsh]

Positively suprised about the price actually its XU H40 killer

[cold glacier]

Same. AYANEO pricing that low, even if it's just early bird is crazy

[atomic moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1065271348601040946/1418253853920464927/BW02_PPT_20250918.055.jpeg?ex=68cd7354&is=68cc21d4&hm=e5f69a0dfe5e1b8da42b309188624f4798c82943182655c74a9669c2ae8e25d0&

[pearl helm]

Ok ok

Shipping?

[reef shadow]

20 apparently

[azure thicket]

And if it is truly a custom screen, it is really a good value handheld, with certainly good quality

[rain pendant]

Has 4px shipping, so a good bit less

[atomic moat]

Doubt it is custom, if yes they would have boast about it

[rain pendant]

This having 4px is huge for the retail pricing and in general

[atomic moat]

I mean, for the dmg screen which is obviously not custom, they even tried to use the word custom in one of their initial marketing materials.

If this one is custom, they would be sure to flag it big in their slides.

[rain pendant]

Makes the $100 retail on the 3gb model better

[left grove]

WOOOOO

[warm yarrow]

N64 I guess?

[ivory dagger]

Heavy shaders for 16 and 32 bit systems

[rain pendant]

N64 and lower, with shaders for the more low-end stuff

Good for the price imo

[sweet veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-goodfellas-inbetweeners-friends-gif-25342993

[warm yarrow]

Underwhelming but it did answer the problem of no good sub 100 dollar N64 Dreamcast machines.

[zenith breach]

its GC and below

[sweet veldt]

Those prices are crazy

[zenith breach]

half ps2, light-mid switch, old/lite x86

[rain pendant]

I want a good clamshell handheld for N64/Dreamcast/PSP and below

Would replace my Anbernic SP

[sweet veldt]

So when is Anbernic going to cut prices fir the 476H?

[rain pendant]

How long after has Anbernic typically done that for their handhelds?

[rain pendant]

Ik the 35XX SP was 40 bucks only earlier this year

[rare cove]

Is this powerful enough to do Dreamcast at 2x resolution?

[zenith breach]

ye

[atomic moat]

When will we get a 477h with analog triggers, before or after the pocket s mini, is a more interesting question.

[vestal flame]

nice overall package

[rare cove]

You can get good limited deals on Anbernic devices with free shipping + coupons

[left grove]

Maybe some solid DC, but mostly N64 and below

My only gripe/nitpick: Give this a 120hz screen man

[maiden ice]

Damn, that’s pretty good for its price.

[left grove]

So close xD

[rain pendant]

120hz would be nice, but then it wouldn't be so cheap x3

[rare cove]

It'll be a pass for me then. I have the O2 Mini for GameCube/PS2/PSP and Switch. I'm just looking for a 4:3 handheld for Dreamcast, Saturn and PS1 at upscaled resolutions

[left grove]

Which is what this is for tbh

[rare cove]

The RG476H seems to fit the bill but it's a bit above my budget for this type of device

[atomic moat]

Other than Saturn (beetle), doubt you will have issues with the others on this.

Unless you are looking to use parallel renderer or angrylion for n64 or something.

[zenith breach]

it capable

[rare cove]

Nice. I'll wait for Russ to review this just to be sure but if true I might just get it

[rare cove]

My issue with beetle core Saturn on my O2 Mini is that I can't upscale the resolution or do wide-screen hacks

I heard Yabasanshiro is less demanding and allows for upscaling but it's also less accurate

[atomic moat]

That's just limitation with the Saturn emulators, have to pick between accuracy or high resolution rendering

[rare cove]

Is there really that big of a difference in accuracy?

[zenith breach]

beetle and yaba yes

[opaque egret]

No way there is a 2gb ram version

[rare cove]

That amount of ram on Android worries me

I wish they were Linux based

Would be nice to have portmaster on there

[rain pendant]

Someone shared a video of a tablet with the same exact chip running Linux earlier

Linux on this could be possible

[zenith breach]

it is

[rare cove]

You can just flash Linux onto it?

[atomic moat]

but linux would probably get worse performance, at least for the gpu? seems to be the case for the rk3566 devices at least which has to rely on some outdated mali blob or panfrost which is just not as performant when i last bothered to check

[rare cove]

Is Dreamcast emulation good on Linux though? Standalone Redream has always worked better than the Flycast retroarch core for me

[zenith breach]

yes, linux can boost only cpu

[rain pendant]

Dual-boot would be good to have here.
Android for N64 and Dreamcast, Rocknix for Portmaster and Pico-8

[shadow swan]

last time i checked, rk3566 can emulate all of the hard games across redream and libretro:flycast

[turbid quarry]

That doesn't sound right

[shadow swan]

don't know what to tell you man. go look at some gameplay footage.

q3a/ut, dead or alive, and crazy taxi seem to be the ones people like to playtest

most of dreamcast ran on rk3326 anyways

[rain pendant]

Idk, Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 both weren't that playable for me on the R36s, and that had an rk3326 I believe

I don't think those games are as hard to run as the ones you mentioned either

[shadow swan]

sonic adventure is weird, because at the beginnings of levels, it chugs due to high unculled polygon counts in frame, then as you get closer to the midpoint or end of a level, it's running smooth

[waxen quartz]

i like this but i already have pocket air mini stretch at home

[shadow swan]

so like... reviewers do the first few seconds and go "AHA it can't play sonic!" and then they go to the next game

[atomic moat]

even the a527 seems to be dropping frames for some of the above dreamcast titles, doubt the rk3566 does better. i remember marvel vs capcom dropping frames like crazy when i last tried on the rg503 (that was with arkos though)

[shadow swan]

and worse ram/system bus speeds

early gen 3326 and 3566 devices used 800mhz ram. was sad

[mental haven]

lmao now it makes sense why Pocket S2 owners a free air mini.

Watch them receive the 2GB version

[rain pendant]

Huh... interesting.
And yeah, that does actually describe my experience with it now that you're describing it

Start of levels would be slow, but it'd then get to a very playable state as I got further in a level

[shadow swan]

But i'm curious. Can the Pocket Air Mini run World Cup '98 for n64???

[zenith breach]

why not?

[shadow swan]

s922x, a527, t618, and t620 can all run it, but it's a variable fps game and you see really fast that none of those can hug 60fps.

t820 does it pretty well

[left grove]

Should be able to, it has the power for it. Benchmarks aren't everything, but its at least slightly stronger than a t618 and t620. T820 beats it tho

[zenith breach]

Not slightly

[pearl helm]

Play iss n64 instead, much better game

[shadow swan]

g90t huh

[rain pendant]

Similar performance wise to G99

[zenith breach]

G90T actually = G99 in CPU, it just the same lvl

but cursed gpu, thats it

G90T tablet*

[shadow swan]

21006 vs. 22763 on Ice Storm physics for g90t vs. t618. cpu is almost the same

the mali-g76 mp4 gpu is what makes it better.

in theory, it will be WORSE at n64 than t618/t620 but better at gpu intensive systems like gc/ps2/3ds/vita

[zenith breach]

still cant believe that is Ayaneo do, something good like that

[zenith breach]

it cant be worse

[shadow swan]

you don't understand that most of n64 is cpu-locked. the architecture is made for shoving 8mb calculations through the cpu at all times.

[zenith breach]

i understand that, i mean they have the same power at all

here G90T without cooling in phone

[atomic moat]

most other benchmarks shows the g90t ahead of the t618. there is no way for a 2.05ghz a76 to be slower than a 2ghz a75 unless there is some throttling or governor issue

[atomic moat]

the improvement from a75 to a76 was huge

[shadow swan]

it'll be a matter of testing games when it comes out then

kind of like how dimensity 1200 on paper is better tha t820, but you load up playstore dragon quest builders and the prior chugs and stutters like hell

[zenith breach]

bet Air mini will reach 750+- with cooling

[atomic moat]

i will take a d1200 over a t820 anytime for the same price

[shadow swan]

when it works, it's amazing.

that's the paradox of dimensity

[cold glacier]

Same

[zenith breach]

u play android games? O_o

not even console ports

?

[shadow swan]

i play all types of games

[cold glacier]

I know that apparently, there exists postmarketOS and Ubuntu Touch ports for the Redmi Note 8 Pro, which has the exact same CPUs, so...

[zenith breach]

ye

on Realme 6 should be too

it was best device in term of performance with that soc

even tablets cant compete with it, pabagi legend

[shadow swan]

g90t is interesting though. it crunches numbers better than t618, but does physics and complex math almost the same speed. if it comes down to "haha it's only 2fps faster playing Outrun 2006 than the t618" that's going to be a crude awakening

a "what did they mess up at the motherboard level?" type of question

[umbral ruin]

The live stream is still going lol

[sacred warren]

Wait I am way behind, is that pocket s mini a thing? Cause holy shit

Also pocket air isn’t my thing but well done ayaneo

[shadow swan]

the dimensity 1200 pocket air is a forgotten gem.

the whole market buried it by propping everything else up, even the gpd xp plus, which was built worse

[zenith breach]

G90T x2 power of gpu T620 that was huge

hope ayaneo dont fucked up with firmware

[minor musk]

NGL it was hilarious seeing this chats dreams getting SHATTERED by the SoC not being the G1G3 or whatever snapdragon chip was idealised

[shadow swan]

oh no... i understand now.

[zenith breach]

what

[shadow swan]

You know what? Ayaneo will probably put ddr3 in it. that's going to fuck up everything

[zenith breach]

G1 G3 wont be in any possible scenario (snap888 clone)

[zenith breach]

nah

ddr4 cheap

cost almost the same now

[minor musk]

then they pull a Powkiddy and use the slightly cheaper ram to safe a few nickles

[zenith breach]

also with D3 it will perform even worst vs what they announce

so cant be

chill

[minor musk]

I don't have any interest in this with my 4:3 needs met already, I just want to see Ayaneo struggle to understand the budget/cheap market

[zenith breach]

I never thought that Ayanéo would change the game rules

I thought they would switch to x86 completely

[minor musk]

same

still waiting for a N100 based handheld

[zenith breach]

i see some concepts and what they plan to make

[woven heath]

lol

[zenith breach]

n100,n150, athlons all of them cancelled

[woven heath]

that explains a loz

[zenith breach]

for no reason

[woven heath]

whats the screen specs?

[zenith breach]

even 6800

[zenith breach]

4'2

[minor musk]

probably due to them pricing them far higher than the deck (that's my guess)

[zenith breach]

custom screen

[zenith breach]

way lower

it has insane price

[minor musk]

so like $250

[woven heath]

and res?

[limpid galleon]

It is not, this is a shit old 12nm chip... g99 is 6nm

[zenith breach]

1280x960

sweet spot

[woven heath]

not bad

[minor musk]

nice and crispy

[woven heath]

super nice price too

[minor musk]

I think that's 4x PSX and N64

[woven heath]

i dont think i would have playce for it though

[shadow swan]

calling it now. lpddr3-1067mhz ram to keep the price low.

[minor musk]

my RP2S and 405V fill my 4:3 needs just fine even if the resolution isn't nearly as nice

[zenith breach]

reject

[atomic moat]

Obviously talking about performance

[zenith breach]

even cheapest phones get 4x

[minor musk]

makes sense for phone UIs compared to something meant for playing old retro games

[little cove]

Once you get up to the 3gb price plus overpriced ayaneo shipping you’d probably be better off with an aliexpress coupon 406v/h

[mental haven]

$20 4PX

Paying $100 total is perfectly fine

[zenith breach]

it cost more lol

[mental haven]

It’s using the best screen in the sub $100-$120 range

It’s literally using the 2nd best 4:3 screen that exists

Pocket Air Mini is good value, can’t argue against that

[zenith breach]

its custom

[minor musk]

most of the costs probably went into the screen

[zenith breach]

we have no idea how it perform, wait tests

s mini get the same

[minor musk]

I presume this uses active cooling?

[zenith breach]

ofc

[stiff hatch]

Konkr Fit was 20€ shipping for me ... 🥲

[minor musk]

oof

[crisp fern]

2 gigabytes of ram is a crime against humanity

[azure thicket]

Is it possible to watch the stream again somwhere please ?

[mental haven]

Written Summary :

https://www.ayaneo.com/article/897

Stream :

https://www.youtube.com/live/e_DochkjYwI?si=NzmUBI70jC_HNaQE

Do yourself a favor and only take a look at the written summary

[rain pendant]

Feel it’s just there to upsell people to the 3gb.
It’s only a $10 difference between the two, so like, literally just get the 3gb sku lol

[jaunty storm]

I feel like the 2 should be a 4 and the upsell should be a better storage

[azure thicket]

Thanks 👍

[urban notch]

So this will be available on IndieGoGo ?

[mental haven]

Their own website + 4PX

[urban notch]

Release Date?

[mental haven]

Sometime in November probably

[urban notch]

Thank You.

[woven vale]

Protective soft film? A screen protector?

[warm yarrow]

A shitty one lol. I get soft film with every e waste handheld lol

[surreal ocean]

Just going to leave this here. The air mini should outperform the RP3+. Somewhat old comp sheet though

https://tinyurl.com/RP3PlusGameSettings

[zenith breach]

it will, much more powerful gpu (double)

[still nacelle]

That price and these specs surely there's a catch right

[urban hull]

Only the 3gb version is worth it. 2gb version ain't doing squat

[zenith breach]

for now i dont see any

if u dont need x86/switch u can go even 2gb variant

[mental flower]

just the market economy doing its thing for once

[zenith breach]

[still nacelle]

Android handheld on 2gb what could go wrong

[mental flower]

surely 3DS and PS2 appreciate the extra RAM no

[maiden ice]

I mean I’d argue the catch is the ram and storage since literally anything but 6GB at a minimum already isn’t playing Switch.

[still nacelle]

I don't wanna play Switch on a 4:3 screen anyways so I don't mind

[maiden ice]

3DS maybe, PS2 actually has always been more of a chipset bottleneck on lower end systems than a ram issue.

[zenith breach]

3ds o_o

it doesnt have power for that

i mean cpu

[mental flower]

me playing Luminescent Platinum on my Classic

[still nacelle]

It says it'll do PS2 and GC but I wonder if you'll be able to upscale any to actually take advantage of the screen

[zenith breach]

maybe half of library, like ps2

[mental flower]

not even Azahar can save it?

[zenith breach]

3ds, wii, ps2 all of them cpu bounded

[maiden ice]

The only other Android devices with 2GB of Ram is stuff like the dual boot versions of rk3566 handhelds and the A133P Android handhelds. Which did not have the power to run more than like a few PS2 games whatsoever.

[mental flower]

my Classic can run 3DS and it's GPU bounded there so I was wondering

[still nacelle]

I get Retroid Pocket 2S vibes from this

Man that thing was cool

[zenith breach]

for wii should be enough

[zenith breach]

check how it work on t618 :/

[ivory dagger]

The RAM I feel like it's an issue for general OS navigation, and probably Android gaming

[zenith breach]

native games ye, also need 3

[maiden ice]

Yeah, the thing with the G1 Gen 2 is that its GPU is disproportionately weaker than its cpu, since the cpu is in the SD865/D1100 tier, while the GPU is at best around the T618 tier.

[zenith breach]

always forget about peoples who play android games on handhelds ...

[mental flower]

I can go up to 2x on GC with my Classic on stuff like Colosseum so it should be able to do some upscaling with the more powerful GPU

[still nacelle]

Oh damn ok

Ayaneo locked in for once

[zenith breach]

x86, switch, android - 3GB ur choice

[maiden ice]

So while the GPU should be better on this handheld, the CPU likely is gonna be the one getting bottlenecked instead.

[mental flower]

yeah the CPU actually allows it to play Switch lol, it's insane

15-23 FPS Lumi 🔥

[zenith breach]

380 score in 3d mark wild life extreme

double of t618

[ivory dagger]

As Arthur said, the Soc config is great for using shaders for 16/32 bit

That's where it shines

[zenith breach]

yh

[maiden ice]

Yup, like I mentioned earlier the only chipsets we have any frame of reference for running Android at 2GB-RAM is the rk3566 and A133P, which is way worse than t618, much less this thing’s chipset or the G1 Gen 2.

[zenith breach]

heavy shaders ideal for this thing

when t618/G1 struggle hard

[ivory dagger]

My only real criticism of the chip is that it's 12nm, but that's probably the sacrifice needed for this power at this price

[mental flower]

I was talking about the 3gb variant lol

[zenith breach]

its 10-15W, G99 5W

[mental flower]

2gb is ewaste to me

[rain pendant]

One could argue the G99 would've been fine, but I think them going with the G90T instead for better shaders performance was the right choice

[zenith breach]

better shaders, x86, switch

android

upscales

[maiden ice]

Exactly, it’s the reason why I’d still recommend getting the 3GB since we don’t really know if the 2GB will be too little for higher end systems or if they’ll run fine on 2GB as long as the chipset itself is strong enough.

[zenith breach]

cons = consumption

[rain pendant]

How does the Zero 28 do on N64 and Dreamcast?

I believe that's 2gb Android

Ig also how does it do in general Android wise

[ivory dagger]

The CPU is weak enough the RAM is definety doing nothing to hold anything back.

[maiden ice]

Oh it does more than fine but that’s at native resolution and with an A133P.

[minor musk]

2gb of ram is plenty to dabble in GC and PS2, the SoC is gonna hold it back more than the ram in this case

[zenith breach]

exactly

2gb more than enough for ps2 and gc

[maiden ice]

In which case I’d definitely say the chipset would be more than fine as long as it’s better than t618.

[rain pendant]

Interesting. Good to know.
I should mention this will also have Android 11.
Which I saw mentioned earlier was used on some 2gb phones back then

[zenith breach]

but cpu not :/

[mental flower]

wait so can the CPU run PS2/GC 😭

[maiden ice]

Is the CPU worse than T618? Didn’t get a chance to check any comparisons yet since I was busy helping my brother with something.

[minor musk]

Some

[ivory dagger]

50ish% of GC and a bit less of PS2, though with tweaks those should go higher

[rain pendant]

It should be able to do some, even have most in a playable state.
If my non-cooled Galaxy A15 that has a G99 can run stuff like modded Monkey Ball in Dolphin MMJR2, this should be able to handle that stuff.
I'm not sure what will be playable in regular Dolphin, and which ones you'll have to do something like use MMJR2 VBI for

[maiden ice]

Fair enough then.

[zenith breach]

no

[mental flower]

and 0% of 3DS due to CPU limitations right

[zenith breach]

half ps2, way more gc

[ivory dagger]

The T618 comparison is good because this is better than that

[ivory dagger]

Honestly this is probably more accurate but I like keeping expectations low

[zenith breach]

why, no

[ivory dagger]

Optimistically you can hack and compromise your way to the vast majority of GC

[zenith breach]

half too

[ivory dagger]

3DS is also a handheld system which means it has a ton of lightweight stuff

[zenith breach]

its ideal soc pick

[mental flower]

I'm a happy man as long as the half includes the Pokemon games

[maiden ice]

Yup, that’s why I was comparing it with that more than the Classic, since the G1 Gen 2 is arguably a pretty big outlier due to the lopsided nature of its CPU and GPU.

[rain pendant]

Should be able to.
And this will have cooling, so it'll do better than the G99 phones out there

[zenith breach]

if wont run f-zero or need for speed

[rain pendant]

I've had very infrequent and random heavy slowdowns while playing ACCF from presumably the chip needing to cool down

[ivory dagger]

I think at least the older 3ds ones were good on the T618

Stuff like Sun 2 and Moon 2 did not do well though, from what I remember

[mental flower]

yeah it's mainly the gen 6 games that I want to play (ORAS and XY), SM/USUM would be a bonus

[ivory dagger]

I actually would guess you can turn on a couple hacks for F-zero

[zenith breach]

gpu and cpu much better than t618

[zenith breach]

and it will be playable on t820

anything lower has zero chance

[ivory dagger]

T820 is just a very nice chip in general

[rain pendant]

I got the pal version of F-Zero running at like I think 35-40ish FPS on my phone fairly recently.
Not something I personally would enjoy playing too much, but it's not unplayable by my standards

[maiden ice]

Honestly I’d argue those might do even better via disabling right eye rendering.

[rain pendant]

I forget, is GCN more cpu or gpu heavy?

[mental flower]

yeah that's fine for me lol

does this mean that the first Sun and Moon games are fine? it actually runs the best out of the 3DS Pokemon games I have on my Classic

[maiden ice]

Since last I remembered the Gen-6 engine didn’t play well with that setting.

[ivory dagger]

I wish Taki did more videos because he hacks his way to performance

[zenith breach]

cpu

taki the best emu reviewer

[maiden ice]

Wait, I thought it was GPU heavy and the PS2 was more CPU heavy?

[zenith breach]

he waste allot time to find best possible settings on every game

[ivory dagger]

https://youtu.be/_kIhprWYLQs

[zenith breach]

somtimes it blow mind even vs good reviewers, what performance he reach

[rain pendant]

Ok, yeah bit confused now.
It'd be good to know for certain if it's more GPU heavy or not bc it having a G90T over a G99 might actually matter

[ivory dagger]

Taki showed some off here

[mental flower]

thanks!

[zenith breach]

both cpu

[left grove]

I love how we're talking about 3ds, PS2, and GCN performance while im here just: "Dedicated Saturn, Dreamcast, and PSX machine lets gooo! also Snes rom hacks too wee"

[zenith breach]

this why it run on G1 no problem

T618 gpu lvl

[ivory dagger]

Taki also disappointed a generation by the hacks he did to get N64 running well on a RP2

[left grove]

Ngl, might be my first Ayaneo product I'll buy

[ivory dagger]

Oh I wouldn't recommend this at all for that gen, it's just fun to discuss

[left grove]

Oh ik xD

[mental flower]

it actually has Sun and Moon 2 lol

[left grove]

I just find it fun

[zenith breach]

for gc i can

[ivory dagger]

In that case it's better than I thought

[zenith breach]

pretty accurate

[rain pendant]

Yeah, I could run the GCN and Wii games I do enjoy playing on my Galaxy A15 on this if I wanted to

But it'll mostly be a N64 and Dreamcast machine

GCN, PS2 and Wii on this are nice bonuses for the most part

[zenith breach]

it should run even beetle core many games, when u get gpu bound on t618/g1

[ivory dagger]

PSA, do not buy this for Shadow the Hedgehog, that game runs awful on anything it can't be brute forced on

In case that was anyone's main goal

[zenith breach]

wonder when first reviews

i hope Taki get one 🙁

[ivory dagger]

Taki is too busy with his company

[zenith breach]

maybe

[left grove]

Ah, yes. The game I intend on never touching cause im not playing through every campaign just to get the true ending

[rain pendant]

I wouldn't play that anyways even if it ran perfectly 🗿
Do not like that game much

[ivory dagger]

It's been a year+ since his last handheld review

[zenith breach]

yh, can back anytime

[maiden ice]

Eh, Reloaded is pretty fun.

[zenith breach]

Taki moment

[rain pendant]

I do wanna try Reloaded

[left grove]

Reloaded is actually good xD

[arctic harness]

So what, $70 confirmed?

[ivory dagger]

Early Bird

[maiden ice]

If you want 2GB ram yes, 3GB will be $79.

[arctic harness]

As far as price to performance is concerned, I'm so OK with that.

[rain pendant]

But yeah, if we're talking base games here, I would play 06 before Shadow, and that says a lot 🗿
06 had more conceptually interesting level design, and was surprisingly ok when it worked. Emphasis on when :p
P-06 existing is so nice

[left grove]

70 eb for 2/32

80 gb for 3/64

[arctic harness]

Obviously not floored with performance, but that's kind of a steal if the screen and controls are good.

I want something to play Picross 3d on comfortably LOL.

[maiden ice]

Honestly I’d say the opposite since at least Shadow’s story makes relatively more sense and there’s less bugs.

[left grove]

Its Ayaneo, so controls will be good generally

[maiden ice]

And if anyone’s played that game with its particular bugs and story, you’d know I don’t say that as a compliment for Shadow.

[rain pendant]

I don't know if I agree on the story making more sense giving the multiple story paths/endings thing when only one is canon.
I could argue that 06's story is more enjoyable in concept even if it did make less sense overall

I at least think the Shadow stuff in 06 is cooler compared to his namesake game, but this is subjective I realize

[inner crag]

is it 100 with shipping inc?

[ivory dagger]

~$20 shipping apparently

They're using 4px

[left grove]

Good

[maiden ice]

It makes relatively more sense since its entire setting at least isn’t broken in logic and plot by the absolute bumblefuck of a time travel plot that 06 uses.

[inner crag]

dunno if I want this

[zenith breach]

u need it

[rain pendant]

Time travel fucks up so many things when it gets introduced into a franchise that doesn't typically deal in it

[zenith breach]

trust me

[hot steeple]

This is somewhat redundant for me to get but it is pretty cheap

[arctic harness]

It's like.

[left grove]

Ngl, this is the one handheld I actually don't want in black xD! The retro power and famicom like one are much more appealing to me imho

[arctic harness]

Idunno! Maybe I should just get my RP Mini repaired.

[zenith breach]

maybe i should get one, and make professional X86/switch tests with external card for recording, hmmm

[ivory dagger]

I love the retro power look

I think the famicom one is fugly

[zenith breach]

sounds interesting

[rain pendant]

An Ayaneo handheld being something I'd unironically recommend to someone getting into the hobby for the first time is not something that was on my bingo card, let alone a thought I had ever 🗿

Yet I think Air Mini could be that.
It'll be more clear with reviews

[maiden ice]

Especially when it isn’t implemented in a way that makes sense.

[left grove]

I think the Black one looks the worst. All black with nothing to contrast it looks like a void xD

[ivory dagger]

If you tune the RGB it should look nice

[maiden ice]

And don’t get me started on the “dimension hopping plots in disguise” that are the time travel plots where timelines can and will split into an infinite number of timeline branches if we logically followed the rules that “anything that can happen differently will inevitably have already happened as an alternate timeline”.

[zenith breach]

we are here, in terms of gpu (380)

[maiden ice]

Aka, how Ken Levine completely destroyed any possible chances Bioshock Infinite ever had at making any fucking sense, alongside destroying every single possible stake the plot ever had.

[ivory dagger]

Honestly look for KTR, Pocket Micro and Iplay Mini 50 pro(?) reviews, the G99 is going to be extremely close. This should do some things better (and some a little worse) but it's similar enough

[zenith breach]

it cant be worse, bc cpu power the same

[ivory dagger]

Isn't CPU a drop lower?

[left grove]

The Pocket Micro screwed itself with price and form factor tbh.

The KTR screwed itself because well... it's the KTR1.

And idk about Iplay

[zenith breach]

here should be around 750 in handheld

[maiden ice]

In case you can’t tell, I do very much like time-travel/dimension-hopping plots when they’re actually done well.

Which is why I hate it way more when they’re not done well, especially if the entire story hinges on them.

[ivory dagger]

I mean for performance, those handhelds have their own issues

[left grove]

Oh i agree

[zenith breach]

micro has less, KT has more than micro

the moment when u dont see even 1 fps difference in real cpu case

g90t vs g99

[left grove]

The G99 was never a bad chip at all

[zenith breach]

t618 far behind them

[zenith breach]

gpu

[ivory dagger]

I actually have a G99 tablet laying around I can test some things on later

[zenith breach]

will be great

[ivory dagger]

If anyone has anything in particular they want to check

[zenith breach]

G90T

100 theards in throttling test (need only max, dont need hour)

[left grove]

Im curious how SNES with shaders will run (the more heavier ones, probably use Mario World as a decent test) and see a couple of Saturn games on Yaba to see how performance will go

Cause ik Beetle is a pipedreqm

[ivory dagger]

The shaders should actually be significantly better on the G90T, so it's not too instructive

[zenith breach]

17% (gfxbench 5.0) it just phones ''750g, 4g1''

[left grove]

Ah ok ok

[ivory dagger]

But I can definitely load up some saturn

[left grove]

But yeah, Burning Rangers on Saturn would be my major pick. Either Yaba or if it is possible Beetle (again, pipedream lol)

[ivory dagger]

Will get back with this later tonight

[stiff hatch]

does any of the two SKUs make more sense?

[ivory dagger]

$10 for smoother OS just seems like a good idea to me

[left grove]

Seeing how we have less ram, I expect them to have a custom android built that will work smoothly with less ram

[little cove]

So is this the code-r or are we getting an even lower end ayaneo?

[rain pendant]

This is the Code R if I’m not mistaken

This chat used to have Code R in the name

[zenith breach]

yes

[sturdy zinc]

Love that Ayaneo is fighting Ayn, Retroid and Anbernic all at once

[rain pendant]

Competition is inherently good for consumers.
This feels like the unlikely timeline where Ayaneo realized that charging premium (and often overpirced) prices for overkill specs won’t cut it anymore.
I don’t think they’ll fully stop doing that anytime soon, but it’s moreso the fact this and the Konkr too even exist at all

[left grove]

Ayaneo is "playing" with the other kids now and not holding back

The only misstep they have made atm is the Pocket DS's price, but NOBODY expected AYN to price the Thor like that at all

[rain pendant]

Even then, I think the Pocket DS still has a niche with the larger size overall.
Not something I’d ever buy personally, but it has reason to exist

[ivory dagger]

The Konkr was a big swing at Ayn, this is a big swing at Anbernic

[half pollen]

I was going to get an 476. Now I will just wait.

[left grove]

Same tbh

[left grove]

Konkr swung and was somewhat effective, this might be a big dent to Anbernic with pricing alone

[ivory dagger]

In China it destroyed I think

[left grove]

I believe it

[rain pendant]

China prefers IPS over OLED from what I heard

So it makes sense

[left grove]

Like it balances out, with it Smashing in China, but kinda missing internationally

[ivory dagger]

Yep, big discussion on r/sbcgaming on that

[rain pendant]

For a good amount of us overseas, the KONKR not having OLED is its Achille’s Heel, hence why O3 is more popular in the US and EU

[left grove]

The Pocket Air Mini tho, this might actually hit Anbernic where it hurts

Cause if this is good and sells well, this will take alot of their momentum with the more midrange handhelds

[half pollen]

If anberic released last week or on Monday I would been all over it.

[ivory dagger]

Anbernic doesn't even really have anything at this price besides the 505

Considering shipping

The xx like is cheaper, xx6 line is pricier

[left grove]

And everything else above the 505 is either priced too high or doesn't really offer enough compared to other devices

[lofty verge]

How is this chipset compared to Mangmi Air X? Does anybody knows?

[ivory dagger]

Better

By a decent amount

[lofty verge]

Ohh wow. I can't wait to see the budget tier devices and the review of Air Mini.

[limpid galleon]

honestly, this is a 5th gen and under device that has enough GPU to upscale and shader some shit, but I wouldn't want to use it for 6th gen at all

[lofty verge]

I was thinking of getting Air X but seems like I need to be patient for now 😁

[zenith breach]

i think get E6Max, than Pie, Than Air X, than XU waiting, and now Air mini wipe all of them with no chance

[lofty verge]

AyaNeo keep em' bringing. But it would have been better if they gave us 4 gigs of RAM.

[rain pendant]

Air X being 16:9 will still be better if you plan to play PSP

Also nice for GBA

[zenith breach]

only that cant compete other thing

[lofty verge]

Won't GBA will be better on Pocket Air mini? Air X will have a black border.

[rain pendant]

GBA is a 3:2 system

It’s actually better on 16:9 compared to 4:3

Not that I mind playing it on 4:3. I enjoy it fine enough on my Anbernic 35XX SP

But it’s a wider aspect ratio system

[lofty verge]

There will be some compromise on perfect integer scaling but I think 4:3 system looks better for GBA than 16:9

[half pollen]

If you want GBA or PSP there are plently of handhelds for that

[rain pendant]

Mangmi Air X is actually great for PSP for its price point.
Plays a good amount of them upscaled.
It’ll only really have to play at 1x for stuff like God of War

Or 2x. I forget

I just know it has to be set lower than most of the catalog

[lofty verge]

2x for heavy games, 3 or 4x for normal PSP games

[rain pendant]

Yeah, that’s honestly really good for the price

[lofty verge]

I'm curious how Air Mini handles GC/Wii/Ps2 catalog

The 4:3 screen is decent for these systems

[tribal tiger]

not well

[rain pendant]

It can do some of it, maybe even most if you use hacks like the MMJR2 VBI version of Dolphin

My g99 Android phone with no cooling can do a Monkey Ball romhack fairly well with MMJR2

It’s the main way I’ve been playing Animal Crossing City Folk DX on it

[lofty verge]

I think RAM will be a bottleneck for Android games though 🥹

[rain pendant]

Yeah…

[lofty verge]

Rip Hollow knight port/Silksong 😭

[zenith breach]

no

[zenith breach]

half ps2, 90% wii/gc

most demanding gc/wii games will have problems

[lofty verge]

I think 3 gb Ram will be a better option for Wii/GC?

[limpid galleon]

you expect too much from that SoC or want to do emulation hacks on half of those

[rain pendant]

Yes, it will be

[zenith breach]

nop

3gb u need for x86/switch/android

[rain pendant]

I think he means compared to 2gb

[lofty verge]

Damn, they could've given us a perfect budget ps2, wii machine but ohh well, next time. It's just the beginning of budget device competition and we're here for it 🥳

[rain pendant]

I’m pretty sure we’re only just now getting near perfect and upscaled N64 and Dreamcast under 100

[zenith breach]

yeah, they do something massive next time

for 100-120$

[rain pendant]

I want the G1 Gen 2 to start being used by companies for the like $150 bracket lol

That chip can genuinely do GCN/Wii/PS2 really well, and it’s on the RP Classic only

[lofty verge]

I'll be happy to see a handheld SD 865 for ~$150.

[ivory dagger]

I was hoping to get it here, but that's when I thought this would start at $100 early bird and go up

[surreal ocean]

My only beef with thie g1 gen 2 is the gpu is limiting. For what the RP classic does (no analog stick), having access to "heavy" shaders would have been nice

but not everybody likes shaders, I get that

[limpid galleon]

well, this clearly is focusing on 5th gen and under with enough GPU juice for shaders... so quite a different approach to the G1 Gen2 tbh

[zenith breach]

7350 will be XU

its 865 equivalent

[maiden ice]

Yup, it’s unironically the cheapest thing they’ve ever sold.

[mental haven]

Maybe their vertical code r handheld will be $5 cheaper

[zenith breach]

7300 KT-R1S also, and mangmi air max 865

they again test something

seems like soon announce

its snapdragon 865

[mental haven]

Announce the air x launch date?

Because that thing was planned for mid September

[zenith breach]

pocket max

[mental haven]

We won’t see that thing in 2025

[zenith breach]

we will

[left grove]

Im actually quite excited for this

[zenith breach]

yup, predict less than 150$

[past summit]

More like in 2030

[left grove]

2050

[shadow swan]

Ayaneo: we now acknowledge that most of you are poor

[rare cove]

You can get an RG406H for $130-140. Which is a little bit more money for 8gb of ram instead of 3gb and the ability to play GameCube/ps2 but I guess this device exists for the niche that can't afford that $30 extra for massive gains in performance

[mental haven]

That thing has a worse screen and the dpad is at the wrong spot

[rare cove]

I had one of them and the Dpad was super easy to reach and comfortable to use so it's a non-issue

[mental haven]

Also T820 is at an awkward spot where it’s too powerful to be a psp/dc handheld but too weak to be a gc/ps2 handheld

[rare cove]

And the screen is still solid

[rare cove]

It does great at GameCube games

[mental haven]

Im glad you like it. But many people won’t share your preference

[rare cove]

Also Dreamcast/PS1/GameCube/PSP and a good amount of PS2 games that run well all benefit from the analog stick up top

It's not like you're just gonna be playing 16bit games on it

[zenith breach]

double of price, for 30% performance boost

worth it (no)

rp4pro for 150$ and 1100 yes, can be

[mental haven]

That’s what people are probably gonna buy the Air Mini for

[rare cove]

How is that double the price. Even if you get the super early bird (which a lot of people won't) it still amounts to $100 with shipping. And it gets even closer to the RG406H price if you get it at retail pricing

[mental haven]

For those that want more power the 476 is an option

[zenith breach]

em

[mental haven]

I don’t think anyone is thinking about the 406h

[shadow swan]

it doesn't matter. people will buy it for their own reasons. this is a spot between t618 and t820 for the budget crowd

[rare cove]

That's exactly what I said. It's for that niche that doesn't have the extra $30

[zenith breach]

u cant get 406 for 130$ :/

[rare cove]

I did

Idk what the prices are now tbf

[zenith breach]

🙂

[rare cove]

AliExpress usually has coupons and ways to get it cheaper plus free shipping

[little cove]

the fat gameboy is also priceless

[mental haven]

I blame Souli for summoning the the 406V fanatic

Good job

[shadow swan]

man you guys argue a lot

[zenith breach]

150$ in store

[rare cove]

Lmaoooo

[zenith breach]

• shipping

[rare cove]

406V is a peculiar one

[zenith breach]

bc now ''sail''

without sail, it double like i sayed

[rare cove]

Everyone should just pony up the cash and get an Odin 2 Mini. Greatest emulation handheld of all time. Get another job to finance it or something

[little cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742103593158574122/1292647043176861779/makesweet-47bmww.gif

[rare cove]

I was talking about AliExpress pricing but I'll concede. Tired of this argument

[rare cove]

I respect it

[little cove]

there is a huge value imo in a handheld that simply sparks joy when you look at it

fat gameboy funneh > slightly better pricing from ayaneo

[rare cove]

Jk ofc

O2 Mini goat tho

[zenith breach]

well, on ali u can get anything cheaper, when catch lucky day

[rare cove]

I unironically agree

[zenith breach]

so its not fair to compare like that

[little cove]

for me I hate how many retro handhelds just look like a switch/switch lite

[rare cove]

Yeah they all need to look like a Vita instead

[mental haven]

I need a handheld that simply fits in my pocket.

These companies must put ergo grips, analog triggers and tall sticks on all of their handhelds

[little cove]

yeah the 28xx is my other beloved

[mental haven]

Code R1 will save us

[ivory dagger]

I do really like the Pocket Air visual style though, something about it looks so sleek

[zealous mauve]

Should I get a g90t burner phone to test performance?

[little cove]

I do like the style, I just wish it didn't have big analog triggers

given they're useless on this outside of dreamcast

[ivory dagger]

They're more comfortable to press, I'll always prefer them

Inline is generally crampy

[zenith breach]

@ivory dagger u do tests?

[little cove]

you can get digital stacked ones

[ivory dagger]

Still getting back from work

[little cove]

like the sn30 pro/rg arc

[ivory dagger]

That's the best of both worlds generally, but it's very rare

[zenith breach]

maybe, if want check byself ... or just find tests on yt with that soc

[zealous mauve]

there aren't many good tests tbh

lots of varying performance and all are from 4 years ago

[zenith breach]

um, to find them u need type model phone/tablet

[zealous mauve]

I'm aware

Redmi note 8 pro is the only notable phone w this chipset

[zenith breach]

Realme 6

Lenovo yoga tab 11

[zealous mauve]

Keyword notable

No one was testing emulation performance extensively on those

[zenith breach]

bilibili also can check

All devices with that SOC
Phones:
Redmi note 8 pro
Realme 6 / 6s
Doogee S96 Pro
Infinix Zero 8i
HiSense Infinity H50
BLU G91 Pro
Gionee M15
UMIDIGI S5 Pro
realme Narzo
Infinix Zero 8
Tablets:
Lenovo Yoga Tab 11
Lenovo Yoga Tab P11 Plus
Motorola Moto Tab G70
@zealous mauve can help

[steep jolt]

I love my phat gameboy

[limpid galleon]

dude, don't post naked pics of your 406v

[cold glacier]

GOOD GRIEF HE'S NAKED!/ref

[mental haven]

Don’t put that on your bed, it’s scaring the hoes

[little cove]

what are those sticks?

[tribal tiger]

an abomination

[fervent mica]

Nearly 3,000 sales already

[faint chasm]

I guess they only really do android but interesting that this is android for what it can do.

[zenith breach]

that how looks win

[zenith breach]

gc and below, switch/x86

android games

finally next class gpu for that price range get

[sweet veldt]

I can't imagine this playing the most popular Android games like WuWa , Genshin or ZZZ

[ivory dagger]

Yaba standalone is a glitchy mess whenever I try the app, but it seems to be running full speed

[zenith breach]

u can find it on yt

[left grove]

Ok ok

[sweet veldt]

I looked a bit but they ran like poop , maybe they didn't know what they were doing

[ivory dagger]

Fps counter isn't working, but it feels smooth with no stutter for a Saturn 3d game

[zenith breach]

where fps

[zenith breach]

o_O how

[left grove]

As long as it plays smooth, im happy lmao

[zenith breach]

yaba not demanding

beetle like x3

[ivory dagger]

Got the fps counter working, actually reporting less than 60

[zenith breach]

50-60 fps seems like

[ivory dagger]

Yeah, hovering around 50

[zenith breach]

maybe lower will be on battle

[steep jolt]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPd1t6l

So no accidentally bumping the sticks when I play d-pad games

[modern dew]

$70 😳

[modern dew]

They will sell 20,000 within a few weeks

[zenith breach]

if not more

[modern dew]

$70 to be precise.

[hot steeple]

Is it on sale already?

I thought they said mid October

[hot steeple]

I guess global release is later then

[zenith breach]

week ig

[arctic harness]

I wonder how much less pocketable this will be than the RP Mini.

[silk timber]

Should have said "made for poor people"

[green temple]

he's still a meme cause lf this video

[urban notch]

I’m buying it!

[mental haven]

100 shipped for the 64/3gb

4PX though, so no additional fees

[muted mountain]

put a shirt on

[upper coyote]

They should really start launching products on their website so that people can buy multiple devices so they aren’t paying the $30 shipping on just one $70 device. Seems hard to justify that shipping

[mental haven]

It’s $20

64/3GB costs 80

• $20 for shipping

32/2GB is 70+20 or $90 shipped

[atomic moat]

that is the cheapest/limited offer though, not sure if they will restrict to time or units (domestic discounted units are limited to 3000 in total)

[mental haven]

Watch them pull a

„Because we sold so much we’re gonna extend the early bird indefinitely“

[strong marsh]

I see XU is now launching "Dream" series with amazing prices instead of XU30 and XU40, probablyu we can thank Ayaneo for it 😉

[atomic moat]

nobody should be spending more than 60-65 max on h700/a133p/rk3566/a527 devices from now on

[zealous mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5QaNsmOjKg

GT4 on the G95, which has identical GPU performance to the G90T and 5% better CPU

(on the easiest to run track in the game btw)

really not sure why they chose to use gt4 as a "playable ps2 game"

its literally half speed 😭

[sharp wing]

Ayaneo or mangmi? what's your choice?

[mental haven]

What is XU even about?

Competition so bad, they do 0% profit margin handhelds

[atomic moat]

ah, Arthur was claiming the same thing in the stream about the 499/599 rmb discounted air mini units (limited to 3000) for the domestic orders.
That they are not making profit at that price, just to rewards loyalty customers, drives sales/pull attention to the brand etc.

[urban notch]

I think I’m going to like the screen, ergonomics and looks. I’m only going to be playing the systems that this chip supports. I had budgeted about $150. So $100 shipped is a good deal for me.
Meanwhile I’m running with the Helegaly and R46H so the Pocket Air Mini will a good comparison and step up from them. 🙂