AYN Thor

[snow palm]

But personally id feel 2d games doesnt as benefit as much from the thor than upscaled games .

[olive mortar]

Yeah, Hotel Dusk is the edgiest od edge cases. Maybe this isn't the machine for games like that.

Something like Elite Beat Agents, Trauma Centre and Theatrerhythm also come to mind.

[main basin]

I’m not so sure. Dual screens is a niche, and that niche may be fulfilled with this wave of devices, and there may not even be that much demand this time around to warrant a second generation. Personally, I’m interested in the Thor as a powerful clamshell, but I’ve never even played a dual screen game before. Kinda sucks I missed the early bird pricing, but with the RP Flip 2 prices going up on AliExpress it just made (and still makes tbh) more sense to just get the more powerful Thor here.

[mighty obsidian]

I think the Thor dpad placement looks worse than N3DSXL. I re-checked a few pics and it’s clearly closer to the bottom of the device. But, to your point, the placement of the dpad on the N3DSXL wasn’t that great to begin with.

I still think the Thor looks great, but I’m reconsidering if it could be my only device.

And, I’ve been reading more about the Odin 2 Mini this week. Maybe it would be good enough for most DS/3DS games and better for everything else.

I dunno, I gotta give it more thought.

[low lake]

makes me curious how will the dpad feel with the grip

[low lake]

if it could be my only device
i was in that train of though cca 10 devices ago 😄

[vapid rain]

I’m personally not looking for the Thor to be my only device as I’ll have the Odin 3.

I’ll mainly be using this for DS and 3DS

[gilded pecan]

yeah I'm not concerned about the two screens being different sizes but dpad positioning looks like ass unfortunately

I'm not sure if stick top was the best choice for a DS/3DS dedicated device

hopefully the Anbernic DS will be dpad top lol

[olive mortar]

I see Thor as the "take with me since it's clamshell" device. It doesn't have to be perfect in every way. Portal 2 is pretty much the perfect at home device. Odin 3 is an interesting "promise" for the future of this hobby.

[crude tulip]

do we have 180° open picture of the THOR somewhere? laying it over the New 3DS XL to see how it stacks up would be interesting, as we are literally talking 1mm difference

[gilded pecan]

it's definitely lower down than on the 3DS XL

less chin to grab on the bottom

more reminiscent of an original, non-XL 3DS

except bigger

[mighty obsidian]

Yeah. On N3DSXl, the stick and dpad are like top 1/3 and middle 1/3 with space below. The thor has them evenly spaced.

Which is not to say Thor will be bad for dpad gaming, just that I’m very interested in first impressions videos.

[crude tulip]

honestly it was pretty clear from the first 2nd that the d-pad won't be comfortable to use

it's impossible on such an device

which is kinda why I hope for a Retroid THOR with d-pad on top at some point 😂

[low lake]

lets hope we we wil get irl shot with ahnd and the grip

[nocturne sedge]

Hmm they didnt show if its possible to turn off the bottom screen, did they? (to take advantage of that sweet sweet 120hz)

[left kiln]

They didn't show it on video but the functionality to turn off either screen is there

[nocturne sedge]

oh nice, i hope that you can change it to 120 Hz though 😄

thanks for pointing this out!

[left kiln]

You will be able to when its jist the top screen

[kind saffron]

At least there's something. Cause the default audio seems meh

Back in my day we used to carry 7" tablets. It's basically 4 7" tablets taped together. Thor just made more sense

[kind saffron]

Yeah. And it never bothered me there so I'm not overly worried here

[gilded pecan]

think the existence of the 865 Thor pretty much precludes any Retroid version in the future

for a dpad top DS we'll probably have to look at whatever Anbernic is doing

[crude tulip]

maybe, maybe not, could be they release a G2 Gen2 version in 2026?

[low lake]

There is a runour od DS only T620

[kind saffron]

I could see Retroid launching a mid model

[low lake]

With d1100?

[kind saffron]

Or a g2gen2

[low lake]

Or the classic SoC with two rpmini screens?

[kind saffron]

Like if the rp6 has a g2gen2 and is likely to come in at or below 200. There's still room to fit a g2gen2 below thor

Something that doesn't have the power to emulate the whole spectrum but at least max out at 3ds

Thinner and lighter than the Thor

Would be cool if they actually went for something new 3ds sized but I'd guess they'd reuse the wing OLED yet again 😆

[vapid rain]

I think I would probably buy a dpad top dual-screen from Retroid if they decide to make one yeah

[upper sail]

It’s definitely more than what I would’ve expected from any of these company’s.

[upper sail]

So hopefully Ayn sees that and takes that as a lesson to also have the same option.

[kind saffron]

For sure

Luckily there's 3rd party equalizers out there too

[latent roost]

I definitely dont see this as one and done. We will get Thor 2, Anbernic DS, Retroid DS etc

[vast ibex]

I'd say getting Thor 2 depends on how well Thor 1 does.

We don't know, things could still completely melt down at release.

[supple mason]

it really looks like a 3ds on steroids, i love it

i really wanted to have a 4:3 bottom screen but the pocket DS is too big

[latent roost]

So far it seems preorders have hit record levels

Im just waiting for Gamehub, Wii U and Switch emulation to hit a good point before I jump in an all powerful 16:9 Android device

For now im gonna stick to the RG477M and Ally X for my emulation needs

[vast ibex]

Really Wii/PS2 is the cap I'm happy with. So doing a side-grade from my Odin 2 Mini to the Thor is fine.

Though I do think I need to get bigger storage if I wanna mess with Rocknix, Portmaster, and OG Xbox emulation.

[gilded pecan]

it's smashed all records so far so... maybe? I wouldn't think about Thor 2 now but I wouldn't rule it out either

[vast ibex]

Again, things could completely melt down at release. All the Thors could end up being fragile hand grenades that explode when you set them down too hard or something.

Not saying it will, but who knows.

Can't really know how it'll all pan out until it's in the public's hands.

[ripe bronze]

until gamehub gets steam flatpak levels of compatibility, a cheap laptop hotspot + sunshine/moonlight is the best option.

the big thing with upper-end chromebooks was the ability to install ubuntu in a crouton shell, an x86 layer, and then access flathub.

[analog forge]

I think we're sort of past the point of chip capabilities covering the needs for WiiU and Switch, so hopefully we can just shop on form factor and quality of life with the assumption the emulators and drivers will get there eventually

I'm considering the Thor as I don't own any clamshells and even though newer chips are coming I don't know if they're going to offer anything practically different

[little yacht]

yeah this is the only flaw for me for the thor, to keep oled I think a custom screen will have to be made thats like 4.5 inches 4:3 i think would be best without being too big but small enough to be a secondary screen

[lilac cobalt]

A 4.5” 4:3 oled would have a ton of other applications too so not a bad idea

[low lake]

wouldnt such screen make it even worse ergo wise?

[crude tulip]

4.9" to match the 6" top pretty please

[low lake]

but then you are already at the size of pds

[crude tulip]

so we get a 7" 1440p 120hz OLED panel for the top, noted

yeah 4.5" makes more sense, but it wouldn't match what the 6" screen would be

worst part is, even if we integer scale the top screen, we would still have a miss match going on here, as it would be 4.4" for 4:3 content

[devout forge]

is it really possible to fit such a range screen in there?

[little yacht]

Integer scale what ratio

What about 3:2, would be even better

[low lake]

if you remove battery and buttons 😄

[gilded pecan]

just make it as long as the rp5

put some heavy duty speakers on the sides of the top screen to make up for the unused space on top

[errant dome]

As long as we're saying what'd we'd all want in a Thor 2, Imma piss everyone off and say I want inline shoulder buttons and circle pads.

[gentle notch]

I can agree with the inline shoulders but circle pads aren't really necessary imo

[low lake]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-gif-18251962

[errant dome]

May allow some of that thicc bottom to become slimmer

Plus I unironically like sliders

[knotty ether]

Has anyone had a handheld shipped to the US via DHL since the end of de minimis?

Really curious to know what the process was like and how much tax you had to pay.

[balmy stump]

trigger = pulled

bonked my wallet for sure lol

[winter roost]

I wish I was less concerned about tariffs, lol

[balmy stump]

ugh yeah...I feel like I should've just bought a portal this summer...but....here we go. yolo I guess.

[low lake]

why not both 😄

like me with portal and thor

[frozen laurel]

Purple drink Thor

[balmy stump]

thought about it. the wife unit would be angry lol

[balmy stump]

Big Daddy Purp Thor inc

[lilac cobalt]

Purple thor is best Thor

[hybrid mulch]

Yay another purple

I couldn't decide beteeen white and purple and I tossed a coin

[sacred gorge]

not sure if i'll use it that much for the thor but grabbed this off of amazon

[frozen laurel]

O sweet, should work nice

[balmy stump]

I lost all my handhelds (and everything I couldn't wade out with in a backpack -luckily my steam deck came with) when my town randomly flooded last July. our bedroom was in the basement and we woke up to water pouring in.

I used to have a modded 3ds that was my pocket device, didn't grab it, and I've missed it. Really looking forward to the thor. It's like an old friend coming back to life, in better form.

[frozen laurel]

Dam that sucks, hope the Thor fills in some of those memories for you

[balmy stump]

Yep, natural disasters. 0/10 do not recommend. Especially while half asleep lol

[lilac cobalt]

I have one and it’s really nice. Should work well with Thor

[tame orchid]

well thank god someone said it so i don’t have to be the first. i miss circle pads

[jaunty hull]

hmm.....wonder why the only top screen is also showing 60hz. should show 120 for only top screen option....unless theres a toggle.

[lilac cobalt]

Maybe default is 60 and toggle for 120

[gilded pecan]

it's still in development, probably not final

[little yacht]

Didn’t we come to know that when both screens are in use that android only lets 60hz so it can’t be worked around or was that just an ayaneo thing

[wispy fjord]

Did I imagine it, or was there confirmation we will get another video with proper ratio DS gameplay?

[severe kelp]

I mean for me I'd rather stick with AYN as their track record has been far better than Aya

And it's the whole point of the Thor being small and close to the 3DS size

[jaunty hull]

can you read? I specified that its saying 60hz in top screen only mode....

[vapid rain]

I’ll respect Ayaneo seemingly trying to do better lately, but I’m far more comfortable buying my first high-end Android handheld from AYN

[jaunty hull]

got some bad news for anyone that thinks either of these devices will be "comfortable" lol

I swear, nobody has played a 3ds in the past decade lol

[sacred gorge]

?

a new 2ds xl is pretty comfy

[gentle notch]

Honestly, if it weren't for the thor being a much better size I would probably opt for the pocket ds for the better bottom screen

[vapid rain]

If anything, Thor should be a bit more comfortable than the og 3ds that also had its dpad super far down bc of its larger size.
Not that I think it’d be all that comfortable

[jaunty hull]

3DS controlls never were offset which means they are not great for any semblance of controller style ergonomics. it optimizes portability over comfort. some people are fine with it. many others will cramp up pretty quickly.

[jaunty hull]

not oled so no its not better.

[gentle notch]

🤦‍♂️

[severe kelp]

One thing I'm curious about is how's the battery life gonna be, it is a smaller 6000mah unit powering 2 displays now

[gentle notch]

It's just tiny compared to the top screen

[jaunty hull]

its hard to accurately estimate but Im guessing around Odin 2 Mini battery life ish, but then cut down by about 30% when using the 2nd screen. based on really bad comparissons to the O2Mini and RP5 with DS.

[gentle notch]

Especially for symmetrical ds games it is going to be a bit of compromised experience

In that respect the pocket ds isn't perfect either though i would say it is still better

[little yacht]

Relax sorry…but you should know you change refresh rate in settings and that just seems like a quick info ui…

[jaunty hull]

games where the screens wont match bcz of the OLED+LCD mismatch?

[gentle notch]

You're going to have letterboxing on the bottom screen

[jaunty hull]

not to say the thor wont have colour mismatching if there isnt some calibration done.

[jaunty hull]

which wont be visible on a black unit.

[gentle notch]

So 1 out of 4

[jaunty hull]

better than mismatched colour on all ayaneo screens

[gentle notch]

From what I can tell the pocket ds ips looks fine

[jaunty hull]

I wouldnt say that. anything with dark parts of the screen looked pretty blown out

I'll check again tho

lol watched some of russ's footage. watching sonic change shades between screens is pretty funny.

[gentle notch]

Idk I could point out a few differences but none that I would really consider crazy noticeable

But I guess some might find it more distracting

[jaunty hull]

eta prime not russ srry.

oh wait. russ did the same game anyways lol

that game is actually gonna be a great benchmark testing the screen colours.

[hushed ridge]

Eww, stretched top screen

[sand sundial]

I wonder if this is the only clamshell ayn is putting out for a while 🤔

[eager thistle]

Thor Lite, Thori, ThoriXL, Thor3d, Thor3dXL, Thor2d, New Thor2d, New Thor3d, New Thor3dXL

[jaunty hull]

Thor Lite, then Thor Portal.

[gentle notch]

Thor (E)Lite

[kind saffron]

I highly doubt we'll see another anytime soon

Retroid can handle whatever the lite version is

[main basin]

I mean, I’d be cool with more devices. I’m not going to yuck anyone’s yum when it comes to games, and even though I haven’t played DS/3DS, I don’t like when things are lost. I know the DS store was shutdown.

[main basin]

Not living up to its name, eh?

[main basin]

Thortal? Or maybe Bifrost! After all, that was the bridge to Asgard, pretty much a portal.

[jaunty hull]

the Thor Bifrost is a great name. sadly its not great marketing wise bcz ppl are stupid. lol

and wouldnt know what it meant.

[main basin]

They might at least think the Bi referred to the two screens!

At some point you have to make the legend. And I feel like most people who are into Thor know about the Bifrost; it’s not like there were several blockbuster movies that told a sci-fi version of the Norse legends.

Also… thanks, can you give me a job 🙏😅

[jaunty hull]

sure but as usual ppl are just stupid and if its not obvious what your product is. it confuses stupid ppl. which is more ppl than you would expect lol

[supple mason]

technically its still pocketable if you're brave enough

[jaunty hull]

https://tenor.com/view/ultimate-rollerblade-matrix-gif-9813173044290140999

[nocturne osprey]

showing it off to his girlfriend I see

[digital summit]

didn’t the 3ds and ds all have terrible view angles. i feel like that’d be a bigger issue

[jaunty hull]

not that im aware of. but I wouldnt know bcz it would be really stupid and weird to not play a handheld at a good viewing angle lol

[digital summit]

true

[jaunty hull]

the exception to that statement tho....

the viewing able to get the 3D effect working on the original 3DS.

the second you were out of alignment or range or anything in the slightest, the whole screen goes blurry and looks bad. luckily the N3DS fixed it. still wasnt perfect but so much better.

unless viewing angles are really bad...its really not a big issue on handhelds since you would be playing at the ideal viewing angle.
but I do remember old flatscreen TVs having horrible viewing angles where youhad to sit directly across from the tv, being on an angle......lol

[latent roost]

Is it just me or the 3DS emulator both Azahar and Citra have terrible shader stutters. Worse than all the other emulators

[wispy fjord]

Do you have "Enable Hardware Shader" on in the debug settings?

It should be, but it was off when I installed it once for some reason.

[low lake]

also disable right eye render

[snow palm]

I never thought the ds or 3ds was very uncomfy for what its worth. Never tried the new 2dsxl or anything so no idea if thats diffrent. About the dpad placement i dont think it looks specifically comfy but i never feel modern controllers or handhelds have a very comfy dpad position unless the put it on top. Like i rather use the sticks than dpads on this kind of set up even for more retroish games.

[jolly dune]

Original 3ds is like pain in the hand. Other 3ds consoles are much better

[snow palm]

I only had the 3ds xl i sometimes when i was younger wished i had the regular 3ds cause i prefer smaller handhelds

[dusk bough]

What are y’all’s thoughts on the ergonomics? I think the device looks really cool but I’m worried it won’t be that comfy just like the pocket flip 2. Would prefer not to have to use a grip too

[mighty obsidian]

I think it will feel worse than the flip 2, because the screen forces controls closer to the edge.

Like others have said, I’m sure it will feel good enough. And everything it can do is extremely inpressive. But, the question is if the trade offs are ok with you.

[left kiln]

Agreed. With this form factor there are going to be compromises.

[mighty obsidian]

I was originally very excited, but I said I was nervous about ergonomics and the hinge. The more I think about it, I’d much rather get a device where those aren’t an issue.

I’m getting an Odin 2 Mini instead. It isn’t as ideal for dual screen games, but for most of them it’s good enough. And it just seems more sturdy and comfortable.

It’s really nice that both form factors exist though! I think people who get it will be very happy playing dual screen games, and the big OLED top screen will be amazing for everything else.

[vapid rain]

Plus you could always get one of the dual-screen addons if you absolutely want DS and 3ds on your O2Mini.
I saw people posting the Retroid DS addon working really well with the og Odin 2 after the OTA AYN released the other day

[mighty obsidian]

Good idea! Maybe something to consider down the road. And I’d only need to attach it for a few games where the screen layout is important. Thanks.

[vapid rain]

No problem :)
Ngl, depending on how good my eventual O3 ends up being for pretty much everything, I might skip getting the Thor altogether and just use a DS addon

I like having a balance between having devices for more specialized purposes, but not too many that I find myself not using some much at all

[nocturne osprey]

me consoom

[gilded pecan]

I can say that playing with the RP Mini+RDS addon I have not noticed any color calibration mismatch between those two screens, not even slightly

[ancient torrent]

Can't do 120 hz unless second screen is off. It's android limitation currently.

Oh you posted that yesterday. Mobile discord got me again.

[gilded pecan]

I'm encountering this as well, no matter what settings I play with Samus Returns fps is fluctuating wildly during gameplay on the rp5 or RP Mini, I assume due to shaders

[vast ibex]

For me Mario 3D Land stuttered like crazy the first time I ran it, then ran okay the second time, and then never had an issue the third time onward.

[ancient torrent]

Probably because shaders had to compile?

[vast ibex]

Almost certainly

[ancient torrent]

Makes sense. Have done much 3ds and up

[nocturne osprey]

Azahar used to suck for me before the update

it's really good now though

[upper sail]

Hopefully they’re willing to actually give the O2 Mini an OTA update.

[latent roost]

The shader issue, higher input lag, lack of stereo 3D is enough reason to stick to the 3DS if you have one

I would prefer a Thor without 2nd screen but better ergonomics like a improved Flip 2. I just want that 6 inch 120hz OLED in a pocketable form factor thats ergonomic

[river salmon]

Saw this on Reddit

[ornate dune]

That mirrored background lol

It's taken from this photo AYN released

[jaunty hull]

the top screen of the thor and that setup will be different, but I imagine they calibrate them correctly.

[jaunty hull]

yeah as long as people understand what they are getting into. Im fine with it, even if it gets a bit crampy, others might not have cramping or discomforts. others might find it unacceptable. as long as its understood.

its really not a criticism either saying the ergonomics seem like they will be compromised. as its the compromise I want for it to stay the size it is.

otherwise, an RP5 with grip and DS would solve those ergonomic issues imho

[left kiln]

Agreed and I expect Russ to make similar comments about thr controls being cramped as he did with the Pocket DS. Its a given I think

[errant dome]

The big difference here is a grip is available cheaply, by ayn, day 1

And it flares out a lot

Knowing I can use that at home for long play sessions or leave it when I want to pocket it, relieves my worries

[left kiln]

Best of both worlds 😊

[upper sail]

Yup, but none the less we don’t know if Russ is gonna be getting the grip with his review unit or not, and since people are likely gonna want this for pocketability, it is something to take into account.

[errant dome]

Only for those people, I already preordered LOL

[upper sail]

Hopefully it’s at least good enough to work “at least fine” for everyone even without the grip.

[river salmon]

It's probably fine for anything that doesn't required the d-pad

I played the entirety of Celeste with a joy stick, it's a lot easier than a circle pad was.

[jaunty hull]

most likely its just gonna be pretty similar to the 3ds ergo which is acceptable.

[gilded pecan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1nfv4rs/100_accurate_handheld_comparison_nes_3ds_ayn_thor/

how does this have 700 upvotes

it's blatant photoshop lol

there's nothing about it that is "100% accurate"

smh reddit is braindead

[wispy fjord]

When anyone says 100% accurate, I assume it's a joke

but I do know it's sized in respect to the given dimensions of the device and then compared to the dimensions of the n3DS

Even if it's not real

[kind saffron]

Might upvote it just cause it's not an AI abomination

Lol

[wispy fjord]

Someone in the AYN discord made a print file based on official dimensions, then another person printed it and made these compared to a n3DS XL. Very neat!

https://old.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1ng762m/3d_printed_comparison_thorn3ds_xl/

[low lake]

Always has been

Although there are braindeader places

[rare rampart]

I'm liking what I'm seeing about the Thor

[crude tulip]

that's a shitty looking THOR, could have at least sanded it down, added real buttons+sticks and put some glass on it to make it look better

[river salmon]

If they scaled it correctly, who cares lol?

[gilded pecan]

maybe they did, but there is little to say with confidence that they did

[digital summit]

that looks like an amazing size

NOW PRINT THE POCKET DS AND DO THE SAME

[river salmon]

I just realized they have white sticks and grey sticks in the same photo

[digital summit]

AI BABY

gas lighting us

[wispy fjord]

I mean, it's a render

[river salmon]

Why would they color mismatch their render

[digital summit]

but then… what color is it going to be?

that’s their sales image. i wonder if anyone would notice the white sticks in the back and get disappointed

when they get it it’s gray

or what if they’re white and everyone is confused

[left kiln]

The sticks should be grey. You can barely see the white stick even though its a dumb error on their part.

[river salmon]

Why shouldn't they be white

[upper sail]

Nah, we’ve already got Russ’s video comparing it with the DS and 3DS systems.

[digital summit]

big brain

i’m gonna go re watch that part

thanks!

[upper sail]

And I’m already happy with what he showed, considering his demonstration showed that it would still fit more than fine in my travel bag with more than enough room to spare.

[gilded pecan]

it's a render mistake, they had mistakes like that with the flip 2 renders as well when they first came out

basically they forgot to edit the sticks on the back one

[river salmon]

Grass is green lol

[hybrid mulch]

This is so much dedication to an upcoming handheld.

[wispy fjord]

Yeah, but the design is pretty revolutionary imo

I can see why people are invested

[fluid cloak]

I cant blame em, the compactness is exciting

I'd like it to be even smaller but idk how squished down they can get the internals

[kind saffron]

Same issue with flip 2 renders. They'll be grey

[hoary kernel]

so random question that probably isn’t directly answerable but maybe someone has better info than me

so for US people, trump paused the rates to 30% until November 11, and the Thor starts shipping mid October

people are also saying 4Px is more likely to avoid tariffs altogether (but obv this is just anecdotal)

so would it be smarter to use DHL or 4PX? DHL makes it more likely you’d beat the November 11 date and not be hit w a rate change that could spike, but 4PX technically makes it so you might not pay an extra fee in the first place

unless I’m missing smth

[frosty vine]

de minimis is still over & dhl will 100% charge the accompanying taxes for that (plus some off the top), 4px & others have either just not been complying or using a workaround, i've yet to pay on anything, even had something clear customs today without issue

[hoary kernel]

yeah that’s fair , I know de minimis is over, but yeah hopefully nothing changes but I guess I’ll stick to 4PX and hope for the best ! Thanks !

[gilded pecan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1ng9ink/thor_comparison_image_is_fake/

they figured it out

[hoary kernel]

Yeah but what was really helpful was the person who 3d printed out the dimensions of the Thor , made it very apparent in terms of size

seemed very similar to a N3DSXL

[sand sundial]

Did the person who printed that Thor shell based of the dimensions compare it to some retro emulation handhelds?

I wonder how it looks compared to other clamshells

[jaunty hull]

easy, lightly changed the colour at the last minute and missed the visible stick on the rear facing unit.

[jaunty hull]

which we have known for a while based on the actual dimensions given ages ago. but its nice to have a real world comparisson.

[winter roost]

it's ridiculous that anyone thought it was an actual photo. It does show a good scale comparison though.

[wispy fjord]

Seeing this (#1102540186790928415 message) made me think: would it not help offsetting the black bars if the 3/DS bottom screen is scooched to the top and then some kind of logo or skin to make it less obvious?

How suspsceptible are modern OLED devices still to burn-in?

[icy atlas]

my thought was to do this (floating the content to top of bottom screen) and then using software to overlay useful information into the remaining space (fps, temps)

[wispy fjord]

Oooh, if it can do that, definitely agree

[icy atlas]

whether that is being worked on or not i have no clue

possible? theoretically of course

[wispy fjord]

It'd be cool! A neat little widget we could toggle on or off and arrange on either screen.

[nocturne osprey]

are the OLED screens AYN is using for this even modern lol

[wispy fjord]

Fair question, but also I think you know what I mean

[cold ingot]

82 🥵 on god of war? 🤣

[last pond]

Also confirmed with out engineer, fingerprints are a liability anyways

[wispy fjord]

Fingerprints...?

[cold ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-suspicious-hmm-hmmmm-hmmm-gif-24729433

My portal runs at 70-80 on some games, this device has much worse cooling & a screen right ontop of the ship, 82 seems about right imo

[left kiln]

Its been confirmed the readings are incorrect and PS2 doesnt reach that high even on the mini. Switch and Winlator will push the temps up.

[nocturne osprey]

TIL that AYN has an exclusivity agreement over the 6 inch OLED screen it uses

different level from its competitors lol

they're genuinely operating at scale from the looks of it

[left kiln]

Retroid dont have the 6" screen. They use a 5.5" panel

Only AYN have it

[nocturne osprey]

oh wow

[cold ingot]

The company selling it telling you that doesn't mean it's confirmed atall

[left kiln]

I'd trust them over you 🤷

[wispy fjord]

I'm excited/curious to see how much more clarity the half inch will bring over the RP5. Like, I know they're both 1080p but hopefully that makes sense.

[nocturne osprey]

will be black bars for most games anyways

[cold ingot]

Okay 🤷‍♂️ your personal issue with me won't change that they have limited cooling on the device & a chip that runs hot right next to a screen

[left kiln]

I also trust my own expereince with devices such as the mini where cooling isnt an issue for PS2 in a compact form factor. Its really a non issue.

[cold ingot]

Okay dude glad you confirmed that

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[left kiln]

👍

[wispy fjord]

Idk, more than you might think will fill the screen. Or I just play more games thaf can have widescreen hacks, or Android native, or. Winlator.

[left kiln]

Im currently testing Star Ocean Last Hope on my portal. It freezes after the tutorial battle so Im trying to find fix for that. The game is running very well up to that point

[snow palm]

It would be mad if it actually would get to hot from like a ps2 game. Like even with no fan on other devices it doesnt even get close .

[left kiln]

Exactly. Im not sure what mbuna is talking about but PS2 doesn't stress the 8g2. It was pretty obvious that reading wasn't right

[gilded pecan]

it's not an "exclusivity arrangement" it's just they paid to have these made for them, they are custom manufactured specifically for AYN

[hot holly]

Lots of people with attitudes in here unfortunately, but yeah being skeptical that a company would show the temps in a real stress test bad situation rather than a good looking way is valid

[kind saffron]

But they'd totally just show test numbers they left in there as an example of the super cool awesome sauce software they're developing

I don't think it's reporting incorrectly or correctly. I think it's just dummy data

Which would concern me if it was already shipping. Either way I'm guessing we'll see an immediate update out the box

[kind saffron]

We still don't know what it is. Just that they custom ordered it. They could have had it as part of the contract. Either way if it's not exclusive it might have been too fresh for say Ayaneo to pickup and use. Or Ayaneo decided outright LCD was the way to go. Also hasn't been seen in the wild.

[cold ingot]

Given that my Odin Portal with far more cooling gets to 70+ on ps2 & the fact that you can see the temperature changing in the videos obviously in response to reading something, i would say that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the thing may get pretty hot 🤣 & that AYN may be telling porkie pies

[kind saffron]

Could also have faulty cooling on your portal. Or bad fan curves somehow

Think 70 is still high but at least reasonable

[cold ingot]

Most people find it runs hot, it's a warm chip in general, 70 is manageable but a little high, i can see it making perfect sense that the thor would get hotter as it is compact, has alot less ventilation & has another screen directly above the the soc 🤷‍♂️

[kind saffron]

Depends. Heat dissipation is a crafty wench

[left kiln]

I'll post some screenshots soon. GoW should not be getting up to 70

[kind saffron]

Sometimes compact is better if there's decent case transference

Also depends if you're using grips or case, etc.

[jaunty hull]

the tinfoil hat ppl are always out in full force.

the funniest part is, youtubers are getting review units soon so we would know about issues soon b4 launch anyways.

[left kiln]

It gets up to about 60 when playing. The menu is where the temps started. Brightness at 75%, 120hz mode for the screen and smart fan on

[left kiln]

I know right 😅 we know PS2 isnt stressing the chip unless youre trying to run it at like 7x or something lol. It handles PS2 just fine. Its obvious to anyone that the temps in the Thor video weren't right.

[vast ibex]

My O2M gets warm with 3x PS2 + Texture packs. But never hot.

So I can't imagine it being much different for the Thor.

[slender palm]

id imagine that has a bit to do with the screen as well
cant imagine a 1500nits miniLed runs cooler than a 500nits Oled by any stretch

[hot holly]

I mean this is 60 when theres no enemies or attack effects on screen, im assuming it would go up in long fights with multiple enemies

what resolution btw?

[left kiln]

It was the same when fighting

[hot holly]

find that hard to believe that rendering in a bunch of effects, enemies, drops and such doesnt increase the load and thus the temps at all

[left kiln]

What you believe isnt really relevant lol.

[left kiln]

This is whilst screen recording and a download going on in the background. Doesn't get close to 70 and the temps stay around 60 for the vast majority of the gameplay. Even when fighting. I hope this puts this to bed now
https://youtu.be/w7q7ycfgfC8?si=efzsAlJg-I_G68JU

[wispy fjord]

Also the "with a screen on the chip"... isn't that most of these devices? Except maybe the Flip?

[left kiln]

Yep. The chip isnt under the dpad 😅

[rotund coral]

At what systems does the Lite model (SD865) max out? I guess 3DS for handheld and GC for home consoles?

+PS2

[wispy fjord]

It can do Vita where the emulator itself can do Vita, iirc

[torpid reef]

the sd865 handles basically all ps2/gc/wii and a decent chunk of wii u & switch

[jaunty hull]

mostly. that. it really is capping out at newer emulators that are still in development.

bigger bennefit of the 8g2 over 865 in this scenario is the fact that it literally can play those sytems at lower power and higher efficiency thus saving battery life.

[hot holly]

Mostly untrue btw, 865 cannot play a lot of higher end emulation that 8g2 can like CemU, Switch or PS3 stably, and the 865 version of the Thor will most of the time limit you and stop you from using the displays on the device to their maximum, Pxcs2 at 1080p will probably be only for later games, more games will run at 1080p but a good amount will struggle too

3DS will be usually limited to 3x I'd wager also

Even MelonDS might struggle also, there's games that have a lot of slowdown at 4+ x resolution scale on my 870

[jaunty hull]

all of those are still new emulators still under development like I said dipshit. and of course emulators start to struggle when you start to upscale....ffs you are dense.

[icy atlas]

And yet nothing said was incorrect

Maybe the problem is you bub

[jaunty hull]

by that logic. no emulators work well because if you turn up the resolution settings high enough on them it will cause any chip to slowdown. so no he's not correct.
and he's also not correct for pointing out emulators that dont run well that were already stated not to run well.

is reading comprehension something you guys dont have or something?

[low lake]

CemU, Switch or PS3 stably
i mean all three of thee are in its infancy on android lol

well switch was kinda half killed when it started become more than a toddler .. but eden seems to be picking it up

[icy atlas]

They're also just difficult systems to run in general

Whatever morons flaming other people in this channel want to think

[left kiln]

PS3 emulation is going to take quite a while before its worth using imo. Theres barely anything worth doing on Cemu as well since most games were ported to the switch

[vapid rain]

Also think you'll absolutely want 16gb for PS3 if you intend to do that in the future

RPCS3 already recommends that amount on both Windows and Mac

[left kiln]

The size is so good 🔥

[hot holly]

I'm not going to stoop to you and namecall you back, but you didn't even try to tell me I'm wrong and instead insult me and be upset I was truthful, unnecessarily hostile

Might as well give people more informed expectations of what they can achieve with the chip

[jaunty hull]

impressively so.

so its gonna end up similar when compared to an 02mini

[low lake]

For relevant systems

It's ultimately choice if you want to do "more of switch" and winlator

[wispy fjord]

Forwarding these with permission because her phone is being silly after trying to do it herself, lol

Size is so good

[turbid niche]

By the time my phone got unfrozen you beat me to the punch but yeah these are my photos and you have my permission to post them anywhere

[elder wing]

Its just a bit bigger, maaan.

I dont need it

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-spongebob-i-dont-need-it-sweat-gif-5031443

[low lake]

https://tenor.com/view/lying-why-you-always-lying-fake-stop-stop-lying-gif-16185952

[olive mortar]

But what about

[whole linden]

Cemu Android v0.0.2 is out now!

This update brings full support for external displays, with GamePad rendering, screen swapping, and independent rotation!

Tested on the Ayaneo Pocket DS!

What’s new:

Render the GamePad screen on an external display
Add a toggle in the side menu to enable/disable external screen mode
Add a setting to rotate the external screen content
Swap TV and GamePad screens with a single toggle
Clean up and refactor native and Kotlin display logic

🙏 Special thanks to RetroGameCorps for his support and testing during development!

Disclaimer
External screen support is still experimental and may have bugs.
Stability is not guaranteed yet, but improvements will continue over time.

Download:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/Cemu/releases/tag/0.0.2

[wispy fjord]

That's so cool!

[left kiln]

You make a strong case 🤣

[dusk bough]

Ayn thor might be the best handheld to date with this

[jaunty hull]

Rp5 with DS attachment arguably is better if it can run games at full speed.

wii-u is dual 16:9 screens

[dusk bough]

I forgot that part lol

[jaunty hull]

just so you know what the side of the wii-u 2nd screen will look like on the bottom screen lol

[vapid rain]

I think I might be going some DS attachment (whatever is the best one by the time I get my Odin 3 next year) and use it with the Odin 3.
Eases my hinge concerns that I'd have getting the Thor, and I also already have a clamshell as well.
Now that I've seen how big the Thor will be though, it could eventually replace my Anbernic SP as my second device once I've waited long enough to see how well the hinge holds up

But honestly, could do just fine with O3 + DS addon

[dusk bough]

Doesn't look half bad

especially considering its 4 inches

[jaunty hull]

3.92. but goes down to 3.4 when factoring it in running 16:9

[gilded pecan]

you new to the 8 gen 2? this chip handles GC/PS2 effortlessly, you are not going to stress the system at all running those systems

[rare rampart]

God..... That's beautiful

Kay I have my reservation but I'm canceling the Pocket DS

That size really looking quite nice

[wispy fjord]

[jaunty hull]

yeah. really nailed it on size being near perfect.

6 inch screen being just under the switch scren size, but being way more portable.

[round quest]

I am worried about the side view here. It looks really chunky

I wish it didn't have those triggers

[wispy fjord]

Tbh there's no way it's chunkier than my z fold 5 with a popwallet, so I'm chill

[jaunty hull]

shouldnt actually be that bad

[jaunty hull]

that would remove so much functionality.

[round quest]

Not really, just some games on Dreamcast and GameCube that have work arounds

[jaunty hull]

and android, and streaming, and winlator/gamehub.

[round quest]

The only game I can think of that I will use the triggers for is Sunshine, but even then you can emulate a half trigger pull in Dolphin

Literally barely any games use analog triggers nowadays

[jaunty hull]

emulated trigger pull is so bad.

[round quest]

It's not functionality I need in a clamshell. I would rather have pocketability

[jaunty hull]

just because you dont have use for it doesnt mean it shouldnt exist for others that do want and use it.

[round quest]

But there are barely any use cases for it

[jaunty hull]

ok you are just being dense on purpose at this point if you are ignoring what ive said.

[round quest]

I guarantee you, 95% of users will not play any games that use analog triggers

It is niche

[slender palm]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-gif-24334437

[jaunty hull]

yeah its so niche that its an industry standard outside nintendo lol

companies are just doing it bcz its funny right?

[round quest]

Name a game that uses them for anything that isn't a gimmick besides Forza

[jaunty hull]

if you are gonna continue to be purposefully ignorant this convo is over. and im glad it fucks with your enjoyment just for that sake.

[fluid cloak]

i get where you're coming from as far as the size and shape aspect, but that definitely can't be right lol

[round quest]

I cannot think of any other modern examples

[umbral patrol]

Rule #1 @jaunty hull

Treat everyone with respect. Absolutely no harassment, witch hunting, sexism, racism, or malicious trolling will be tolerated. It goes without saying that there should be no political discussion, this is a handheld gaming server.

[round quest]

I agree that it is bad, but it isn't worth giving up pocketability for

[jaunty hull]

yeah fuck everyone that likes racing games because it upsets one person.

[round quest]

I don't know any android games that use them, and again modern games don't use them for anything except gimmicks

[jaunty hull]

not to mention sports games also use them.

[round quest]

What do they do in sports games?

[jaunty hull]

usually aiming shots power wise.

but if you want to talk actual gimmicks.

pressure sensitive buttons.

[round quest]

You mean like on the PS2? Or are you talking about astrobot's triggers effects on PS5? Because the triggers on the Thor are not pressure sensitive

[jaunty hull]

just on old consoles like xbox. that tried to do pressure sensitive face buttons.

[frigid shore]

You mean you didn't grow up doing taps at varying speeds to simulate analog acceleration?

[amber pivot]

Hell no, if the Thor didn't have analog triggers I wouldn't have bought it

[jaunty hull]

using dual analog sticks for starwars episode 1 racer to steer and control speed 😛

[turbid niche]

DiRT, GRID, Gran Turismo .. pretty much any racer with more realism than Need for Speed and Burnout (and actually most of those too). For GameCube examples outside Sunshine, Smash melee shields. F-Zero GX drifts. Luigi’s Mansion suction level. Metroid Prime strafing/target lock.

[kind saffron]

I for the most part could have lived without em as I don't play any racing games really. But they'll be nice for streaming and winlator

Honestly of Retroid does enter a more mid level or budget DS, or maybe Anbernic, that focused on taking us up to 3ds, it'd be cool to get inline ones to make it as compact as possible

[jaunty hull]

I cant see a more mid level or budget DS than the Thor Lite.

other than maybe whatever anbernic might do specifically for DS.

Retroid already is midrange budget as is. and the thor is in line with retroid pricing. for that thor lite

[kind saffron]

Why not? Can easily go LCD, inline trigger buttons and weaker chipset and charge less

[slender palm]

I mean a dual IPS t820 or helio/dimensity midlevel chip
Just depends if anbernic feels like being price competitive or not

[kind saffron]

While still doing DS console emulation

Fuck it. Put a g2gen2 in it

That's like saying, I can't see how Retroid will release an rp6 now that Odin 3 exists. Plenty of wiggle room

[jaunty hull]

bcz the rp5/flip2 are midrange priced as is.
the thor lite is literally the same device but bigger battery, and a 2nd screen for 20-30 dollars more to compensate, still in midrange device price range.

[kind saffron]

I think your gonna see a dip in pricing

It's not like Retroid can't do cheaper devices. RP classic is pretty reasonably priced and isn't exactly midgrade

[jaunty hull]

rpc is a premium low end device. its definitely an odd one.

great tho

[kind saffron]

Eh. I think Retroid just shifts down

There's def room for a sub 200 DS device

[jaunty hull]

DS? probably. anbernic is working on it iirc from rumors.

[kind saffron]

Yeah. I think they'd both shoot for that same slot

[jaunty hull]

tho could prove me wrong. they seem to be all over the place.

[kind saffron]

Might be a Retroid/Anbernic battle to match the Ayn/Ayaneo

[jaunty hull]

really more curious at the sub 100 market rn finally starting to get good again after retroid retiring the rp2

[kind saffron]

Like there's no way after thors success, other companies won't fight to fill DS gaps like they have vertical, horizontal and flip gaps

I wouldn't be shocked if we saw a DS device that topped out at NDS

[jaunty hull]

also I forget what company is doing it but theres already a DS oriented single screen solution out there.

[kind saffron]

Yeah. MagicX

I think that tops at NDS

[jaunty hull]

yeah.

sub 200 3DS could be a thing. but I dunno how much of a demand there will be specifically and what compromises ppl will be willing to make for it.

[kind saffron]

It might not be as fast to fill tho. Enough companies struggle to put out a budget flip without issues as is

[icy atlas]

bring back the 2ds slab

[jaunty hull]

how about DS slab?

[kind saffron]

I think people would gladly take a device that's thinner, lighter and matches actual ratios

[jaunty hull]

and thats where you run into problems.

4:3 bottom screen? easy.

5:3 top screen?

[kind saffron]

Still cheaper to get one custom produced than a 6" OLED

[jaunty hull]

no. its not

[kind saffron]

Why?

[jaunty hull]

because those screens already exist that they can buy.

[kind saffron]

Custom OLED molds are expensive as shit

No they don't..that's why ayn had to pay for one

[jaunty hull]

and they wouldnt even necessarily go with one. they could go for a regular 16:9 screen like any other budget device.

[kind saffron]

6" OLED didn't exist prior to thor

It's a custom production

[jaunty hull]

for that screen yes.

[kind saffron]

Yeah. So why not custom order a 5:3 IPS?

[jaunty hull]

nobody is using custom screens for budget devices.

[jaunty hull]

because it costs money to manufacture and develop vs just recycling old screens already available.

[kind saffron]

Depends how expensive it is, and how many handhelds you can throw it in

Again, custom LCD is much cheaper

[jaunty hull]

know whats cheaper?

not doing custom screens

[kind saffron]

Well yeah. It's cheaper to just not sell handhelds at all and sell controllers, but here we are. Lol

[jaunty hull]

thats always been a known factor on these devices that a majority of it only exists because its affordable to reuse what already exists.

[kind saffron]

Like that's not an argument. Heh

[jaunty hull]

no, thats not the point at all. dont play stupid.

[kind saffron]

It all comes down to return on investment

If they can make the return, they make the investment

[jaunty hull]

you said you wanted a budget device to exist and then want them to invest money in somethign that costs them more money to make.

[kind saffron]

We've seen custom LCDs recently too

Ktr1

Now it's being used by a bunch of different companies, but prior to ktr1 I'm pretty sure it didn't exist

[jaunty hull]

pretty sure? you dont have proof?

[kind saffron]

I mean I can dig around, but it def wasn't a phone or handheld

Or tablet. Or anything else mass produced

Aftermarket replacement screens for the blackberry keyone supposedly

[jaunty hull]

not to mention it limits device functionality to custom make a 5:3 top screen vs just using a 16:9. making the device a harder sell as you are really making it a niche device. but needing the power to run 3DS.....

[kind saffron]

Which like, had to be a tiny market

[jaunty hull]

also paying those prices for a g99 is crazy on the ktr1

[kind saffron]

Hey man. I dunno. As a non-carer about black bars, I say that about a lot of devices but people buy them anyway

Almost every device could have just been made with a 16:9

[winter roost]

16:9 is smarter than a 5:3 anyhow. Supports more systems and is only not using 1/16th of the screen for 5:3.

[kind saffron]

And yet here we are. With multiple devices for each specific ratio

[jaunty hull]

by multiple you mean basically 3.
2 of which are very standard. one is niche but exists so ppl use it.

3:2 gets a pass as a niche bcz its a compromise between the main 2.

[kind saffron]

Ok. So 3 versions are made. Still more than none. Lol

I didn't say there were going to be 10 different versions and it's the hottest segment in the market

But it's not impossible for someone to make one

And make money off it

[jaunty hull]

sigh.....its pointless talking to someone who changes what they are even arguing about every 5 minutes.

let me ask you

do you want a budget device?

or an accurate to the original device?

[kind saffron]

Hell. Anbernic might make several devices with the same 5:3 screen alone 😆

[icy atlas]

4" 5:3 OLED full glass front metal body horizontal with 2 3ds circle pads, Retroid dpad and Ayaneo face buttons

That's all I'm asking for

SD865

[jaunty hull]

nobody says they cant make the screens,. but you are the one saying they should make budget devices and then go on to say they should be making custom manufactured screens....

[kind saffron]

Harder to argue with someone who doesn't understand what he's arguing against in the first place

[jaunty hull]

no. you change your argument every few minutes.

[icy atlas]

You're wasting your time

[kind saffron]

Clearly

[jaunty hull]

want me to grab receipts to you saying you wanted sub 200 devices?

[kind saffron]

Ok. So what's wrong with that?

[jaunty hull]

and then go on to argue that they should increase costs to have custom screens?>

[kind saffron]

I didn't say they should. I said they could

[jaunty hull]

are you stupid and dont understand how you cant have both those things?

[kind saffron]

There's a difference

Dude. Your greatly overestimating what a custom LCD costs. Lol

[jaunty hull]

so....do you want budget or custom manufacturing?

[icy atlas]

Guy gets warned for being an ass not 6 hours ago in this very channel

Doubles down

[kind saffron]

It's a very different and easier manufacturing process then oled

You could get internals for a NDS playing ds device for less than $100

[jaunty hull]

you were talking 3ds. now we are back to DS?

DS is easy and already doable.

it already exists.

[kind saffron]

They could drf add a custom LCD and stay under $200

[jaunty hull]

DS doesnt need custom screens at all it uses dual 4:3

[kind saffron]

Scroll back up. I mentioned both. Just fyi

[jaunty hull]

exactly, and you keep changing which ones you are talking about at will.

[kind saffron]

Because I think we'll get both in the end

I think Retroid could easily put together a 3ds level DS device and sell it at a price point where people would buy it. I also think there will be several companies that put out NDS level DS devices for even cheaper

That was my whole premise

[jaunty hull]

and it will be cheaper for them to do that without doing custom screens. and make more sense monetarily and usefullness wise as well.

[kind saffron]

Which is fine for you to think that. But it doesn't mean it hasn't happened or won't happen again

China is literally flooded with LCD manufacturers compared to OLED. A contract for custom LCD isn't nearly comparable to what Ayn probably paid for the 6" oled

[jaunty hull]

still makes almost no sense on top of the added manufacturing costs just on the fact that it just turns the device even more niche. which is a much harder sell on a device above 100 dollars.

sticking with 16:9 top screen saves them money and enables the device to be more multi functional so it sells better.

[kind saffron]

$1-3K just from what Ive found so far

For the tooling

Like sure it's cheaper to go with something that already exists. But a custom panel from a company with funds like Ayn/Retroid isn't all that crazy

[frosty vine]

I'd love to see a DS lite inspired mini-clamshell using 2 brick screens, they're a perfect 4x integer scale for DS (ideally with a chip capable of pushing those pixels)

[jaunty hull]

I can see one issue currently with that idea.

as much as I agree that would sound good.

the actual issue with a lot of DS emulation atm actually. they need to work on a digitizer/stylus solution.

not getting the touch accuracy of the 3/DS screen on a glass screen with fat fingers or even slender fingers, or cheap 3rd party capacitive styluses when we go down in size.

[kind saffron]

So yeah. 1-3K and that's contacting manus in china from the West. And several years ago. Probably cheaper now, especially if kept in country

Seems reasonable

Could probably throw a digitizer layer on there and still keep it under $200

Depends how much Wacom is charging for EMR licensing cause that's what you'd want.

And it's funny that you mention doing things that sell better as the only motivator. These companies, thankfully, sell a bunch of more niche devices because there's a market for them rather than just maximizing profits on what sells best or gives the best margins

That'd be a sad hobby to live in

[devout forge]

When was the last time retroid made a device with inline shoulder buttons?

[jaunty hull]

RPC?

[kind saffron]

True

[devout forge]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

Okay but there are no stacked verticals, so that's kinda cheating

[kind saffron]

They did not forget the ancient art form

I mean they used them where they fit the product and it's design

More than I can say for anbernic heh. Tho the rg447m was probably a cost issue

[jaunty hull]

bcz they were smart enough to know better than to do inine on a vert?lol

[jaunty hull]

its baffling to me that the 477 has inine vs stacked. and then they do stacked on the 476.

[devout forge]

rpc is inline

[jaunty hull]

but that sumarizes anbernic. you really never know what they are gonna do.

[devout forge]

Yeah, it should have been flipped, also the rg477m should have had analog on top to make use of it's power too and it would have been a true rg405m follow up that way

[jaunty hull]

imho, they shouldnt use inline on horizontal devices in general. but sure lol

[devout forge]

why is that?

[jaunty hull]

I do agree, they should have used stacked on the more powerful chipset.

[kind saffron]

It was because it was metal. So your either paying significantly more for 5 axis CNC time or making it from a block of aluminum double the size to handle the trigger bumps

Still hoping they drop an rg447h one day with stacked

[jaunty hull]

in general its a bad layout to play anything that relies on quicker inputs of trigger buttons.

you could make an argument that it matters less on lower end systems yes.

[devout forge]

It depends on the games you're playing, but the reason inline shoulders have a reason to stay is because they allow the handheld to be much more pocketable than it would be otherwise

[kind saffron]

Rg477 was already kinda pricey. Especially for a company that primarily does budget. Doubling the metal body production cost probably would have put it at a price point where half the buyers were like nah. Fuck this

[jaunty hull]

tbh, anbernics android lineup has been kinda bad value wise for a while.

[kind saffron]

They're def struggling to find their mid tier

[jaunty hull]

an argument could have been made for the 556 or w/e having the OLED t820 for like 170 ish at the time.

[kind saffron]

Or maybe their premium I guess. If that's the top of their range

They do seem to combine layouts, materials and chipsets in some of the weirdest ways

It's like a restaurant pushing the fish that's about to go bad. They just look at whatever bin has the most parts and grab from there

[jaunty hull]

but then the t820 in the cube and other devices.

when retroid is blowing out their D1100 RP4Pros for less....

[kind saffron]

Now there's a company that would shotgun a custom screen out of the blue, problem is they'd make it round or something

[jaunty hull]

I think they have been weirdly struggling in the android scene.

whatever their powerful chipset is rn makes almost no sense for most ppl to use.

they sell t820 devices for bit too much.

it was entertaining when they were selling a different formfactored h700 device every 2 weeks tho lol

[kind saffron]

It's probably confusion on their endgame profit structure. Like Ayn plays the long buy, and makes profits over the lifetime of the device while sales continue and production costs decrease, Ayaneo on the other hand relies almost solely on developing new products and initial sales. Feel like Anbernic has done both and doesn't really know how to price things accordingly

[jaunty hull]

but even now.....mangmi and a couple others look to be lighting a fire under their ass for sub 100 handhelds.

[jaunty hull]

I just wonder what their chipset situation is.

[kind saffron]

Yeah. Probably is dependent on how much stock they have

[jaunty hull]

seems weird to be so deep into mediatek

at least when going for those new higher end chipsets.

[kind saffron]

Honestly the budget handheld world is a rough one. Your success is more dependent on how new and hyped you are more than anything else

There's just so many options for hardware

[jaunty hull]

true, doesnt even need to be that great a device if it has something that gets ppl hyped.

[kind saffron]

Miyoo flip. Heh

Even without the busted hinges it was pretty mid

[jaunty hull]

the new one looks like it could be good but miyoo made like 1.5 good devices in their lifespan and tbh the community did a better job selling it with their custom firmwares.

so I dont trust them to nail it with the new one.

[kind saffron]

True. The mini flip makes way more sense to me from them, assuming they can hit a price point as good as the mini

[jaunty hull]

and the 1.5 is bcz the mini and mini plus are the same device other than size so...

[jaunty hull]

doesnt even need to be "good" 70 or below would still sell well.

[kind saffron]

People love the A30. I never enjoyed mine much but

[jaunty hull]

considering how the actual budget budget range is right now.

[kind saffron]

To be adopted enough to have a custom firmware that isn't total ass made for it is pretty impressive (spruce)

[jaunty hull]

considering you can get a battlexp g350 for like under 45 bucks and its got a better chipset (doesnt matter too much but it helps a bit)

but that whole 70 and below price point is all fine for anything that does ps1 and below imho.

sub 100 should do n64. which they could b4 withthe rp2 and now the mangmi.

[kind saffron]

Mangmi really that good? With Ayn and Ayaneo on the horizon I just kinda lost interest in following it

[jaunty hull]

kinda.

it basically is what the rp2s was.

but widescreen.

it fills in a gap we kinda had between the low end linux handhelds. and more powerful android handhelds.

[torpid reef]

yeah it's a really nice budget option

[jaunty hull]

so mangmi does psp and n64.

[torpid reef]

yup

[jaunty hull]

really gives itself a great point since it fills in again for the n64 capabilities lost by not having the rp2s. but slightly better for psp as well for the 16:9 screen reason.

so is it great? depends whether you think sub 100 psp/n64 is great or not.

[sand sundial]

was there a side by side comparison to the retroid flip 2 by chance?

[fringe temple]

Very angry little people in here this morning it seems 😄

[wispy fjord]

I don't think either of the users who made the Thor print had them available to compare. At least, as far as I'm aware.

[sand sundial]

a shame

[jaunty hull]

none of them compared it next to a dingoo a320 either....day ruined.

[jaunty hull]

not the greatest option but this is comparing the flip next to a n2DSXL

and then using that image, and this one.

should be slightly bigger than the flip 2. and slightly less comfortable controls wise lol

[torpid reef]

yeah the flip 2 has a nice offset on the bottom controls

this device can't really pull that off without getting even bigger

[jaunty hull]

yeah havign 3DS ergonomics can be rough. but like. it was expected.

I really dislike how the Flip/2 was such an empty system.

[latent roost]

Honestly would have prefered a single screen flip device like Flip 2 woth better positioned buttons. 6inch screen has enough real estate to have the 2nd non gameplay screen in the same single screen. The advantage is you would have got 120fps reducing input lag compared to dual screens. With games like Sonic Rush having to have black bars anyways with mismatch screen sizes and no proper stylus controls. The appeal of dual screens isnt there for me compared to a single screen with better controls. Also therr are not that many games that made use of 2 screens for gameplay

[jaunty hull]

"not many games that made use of 2 screens for gameplay" uh.......are you ok? lol

[wispy fjord]

They're saying games where it's required rather than just additional.

[latent roost]

A SDG2 model for with no 2nd screen for 250 would have been amazing

[jaunty hull]

to a degree that could be said for 3ds moreso but DS heavily used dual screens.

[wispy fjord]

Well, like. Phoenix Wright didn't need the second screen since it was a GBA game

but Trauma Center did.

[latent roost]

Therr are many games that simply use 2nd screen for menus, maps etc

[jaunty hull]

ok? and there were a lot on the original DS that used the 2nd screen as more than just a menu.

it wasnt till the 3DS where it got relegated more towards just being a menu screen.

[latent roost]

But what im saying is games like trauma centre still would be compromised with no stylus. Or games like Sonic Rush will have huge black bars

[wispy fjord]

You aren't totally wrong, but capacitive styluses are more than enough for most people.

Active styluses are also a thing, and get better as time goes on.

[latent roost]

But this doesnt have one

[sand sundial]

Clearly nintendogs needs the second screen on the bottom so desperately

[jaunty hull]

imagine going into a thread about a device peoplle want specifically for dual screen reasons to say they should have made it single screen instead lol

[latent roost]

I play DS games on my s23 ultra with S Pen

[wispy fjord]

It doesn't. But I got a pack of like 8 for $6 and they have audio jack plugs so I can keep it with the system.

[latent roost]

But doesnt the screen neef to support a active stylus

Like I can't just use my s pen on this

[sand sundial]

That sort of thing happens with most upcoming handhelds

[wispy fjord]

There are some that are battery-powered to be their own active styluses.

[jaunty hull]

universal active styluses exist that will work with this.

[wispy fjord]

The good ones are integrated into the machine.

[latent roost]

But is it accurate like a S Pen

Or just a thumb stuck on to a stick lol

[jaunty hull]

you really dont need thaat much accuracy.

[wispy fjord]

https://staging.adonit.net/stylus-for-android/

[jaunty hull]

the original DS didnt have pressure sensitivity.

[wispy fjord]

It's digital, and they aren't the big ol' rubber bits regular capacitive styluses use.

[jaunty hull]

yeah its just so funny going into a thread for a device obviously aimed at a specific niche, to get upset that it caters to that niche. lol

[sand sundial]

Eh not the worst thing to have happened here

[latent roost]

Im not upset its not bad discussing pros and cons. In this case im saying the cons are bad ergonomics, input lag, no stylus, and large black borders for games that use both screens as one screen

A single screen would have lower input lag and better ergonomics

I just played a bunch of DS games recently and realised im not missing much not having a 2nd screen but just having a tiny 2nd screen in the main screen was sufficient.

[wispy fjord]

So, you're really just looking for a Flip 3, I think.

We in this thread want to play 3/DS games in original format but with higher resolution, texture packs, etc.

[sand sundial]

I understand the second screen sounds good on paper but in practice I am not sure how worth it it really is

[latent roost]

Yes exactly but a SDG2, and the 120hz OLED screen to reduce input lag

[wispy fjord]

I fuckin' hate the tiny second screen in the corner shit, personally speaking

[sand sundial]

You can also do 2 equal sized boxes on one screen

[latent roost]

There is a massive amount of gsmes that use the 2nd screen as a glorified menu, map etc

[wispy fjord]

I'll make do with it, or just play games where the second screen is mostly menus (like Dragon Quest VIII) but I'll really love playing proper two-screen games next month.

I'm not saying there aren't, I'm saying there's still plenty where it adds enough that it sucks ass.

It's a bad solution, even if you find it doable.

[latent roost]

This is my solution for the odd few games that need gameplay in 2nd screen

[sacred gorge]

I kinda hate switching screens period. Takes me out of it to switch screens

[jaunty hull]

Very worth it for it's specific niche.

[sand sundial]

thinking about it how much of a benefit was the second screen vs a gimmick in practice for original hardware? Thinking back to my old D's lite it kind of felt like a gimmick

[jaunty hull]

Do ppl not know this is very appealing specifically for 3/DS or something?

[latent roost]

What im saying that small specific niche aint worth bad ergonomics and input lag

[jaunty hull]

It's not just some random decision to add a second screen bcz it's funny

[wispy fjord]

Like, it's cool you can write off part of the experience. Sometimes I can, too, but like. I don't understand why saying "the ones that aren't just glorified menus are cool and we want to play them but Enhanced" is being dismissed.

[sand sundial]

I am aware it sounds good on paper I just am uncertain about actually in practice

[wispy fjord]

Also, who tf said there would be input lag? 60fps has always been enough for me.

[latent roost]

Like the device is no longer worth playing 2d retro games. Even dual stick games will be unforgettable it can no longer be an all in one device due to bad ergonomics just for the fee DS games

[wispy fjord]

Ergonomics are also deeply personal to someone's hands. I'm honestly excited for the flat back.

[jaunty hull]

"small specific niche" ah yes, the DS, the 2nd best selling console of all time is such a small specific niche.

[wispy fjord]

My hands are small and it fit nice.

[latent roost]

For DS not a huge issue as you have runahead. But standalone emulators double input lag compared to native hardware. 120fps helps reduce tbis

[sand sundial]

Was the 3ds actually better then the D's lite? I never had a 3ds

[jaunty hull]

depends what you mean.

[sand sundial]

Like was the second screen useful?

[wispy fjord]

It had a lot of games that I liked and could play all the regular DS games too, so yes imo.

[jaunty hull]

in some games. but they didnt use it as much and many games played more traditionally using the buttons than the stylus.

but it depends on how you define useful. because having a dedicated screen for menus, maps, etc, is very useful.

[sand sundial]

So the second screen of the thor would be used mostly for DS emulation of nintendogs or pokemon ranger?

[jaunty hull]

it would be used for every 3/DS game.

they didnt just magically not have a 2nd screen for some games. all games utilized it.

[sand sundial]

So far I haven't encountered much issues with doing half and half of a larger screen that has touchscreen(albeit I haven't had much time to try DS emulation lately) so I am trying to figure out how the end result would be

Might have to see how things turn out when people get working models

[wispy fjord]

I mean, we all know that's a workaround and some people are fine with it. I'm confused, tbh.

It's not like we don't know that's an option.

[jaunty hull]

ok if thats fine with you. go for a compromised experience. whats so hard to understand that this specifically exists for ds/3ds with minimal compromises?

[nocturne osprey]

they're going with a T620 for their DS device

[wispy fjord]

I had to go find the thread for it wondering what I'd missed, lol. #1385011384307421224 fwiw.

[jaunty hull]

thought it was just rumored atm and not confirmed.

[wispy fjord]

Yeah, I don't know, that's why I went looking

[low lake]

i m so fackin confused what this discussion is even about 😄

kalos sounds like someone who decided its nto worth it

[jaunty hull]

ppl upset dual screen console comes with 2 screens

[low lake]

and yet still talks here instead of somewhere that fis his needs more

maybe ppl should jsut finally understand that there is no such a thing as "one fits all" device and there are always consessions here and there

[jaunty hull]

the funny part was seeing someone call it a "small niche"

when the DS is still the 2nd best selling console of all time, and combined ds/3ds surpass 200 million units sold.

[sand sundial]

People are rather preoccupied with the idea of general use case with these emulation handhelds, otherwise they would talk about fpga handhelds more often

Course the scene seems to have alot of people constantly going from one device to the next fairly often

[amber pivot]

Just wait for a flip 3 lol

If you don't care about a second screen, the Thor is def not the device for you

[jaunty hull]

actually having 2 screens makes it one of the most general use case devices with the most options.

6 inch 16:9 in a clamshell will do almost everything on its own atm.
the second screen enables 3/ds and wii-u to be played better than ever.
or just use the bottom screen for guides/music/discord/etc.

[wispy fjord]

Yeah, the second screen takes up the bottom-middle of the clamshell, but you do still have the 120hz screen on the top and the second screen can be turned off when you're not DSing.

[jaunty hull]

really curious to test out what the battery drain is like on the device tho.

[wispy fjord]

Yeah, though I don't ofen play in environments where I'll need to up the brightness, personally

So I'm not super duper worried.

[jaunty hull]

im not worried. as my worst case estimates are still promising for 3/DS use.

[wispy fjord]

Also, realistically, bringing this with you if you're traveling somewhere you can't charge up is not a huge hardship: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7ZMP4FL/

Or some other batterypack.

But this is like 2.5x the size of the Thor, right?

[jaunty hull]

I dont think that you should have to bring a battery with you all the time. but like.

[wispy fjord]

I mean, how often are you going to be going "out" where you can play three hours of games but not then be somewhere you can plug in or whatnot? Or won't be going home soon?

[jaunty hull]

I expect a minimum reasonable battery life. usually around 3 ish hours. which it should do for 3DS.

[jaunty hull]

quite often,

that 3 hour range is kinda the emulation sweet spot imho.

[wispy fjord]

That's fair. I've lived a fairly secluded life, though not necessarily by choice. I would only be in those situations where I'd also have time/space to bring a battery.

[sand sundial]

Depends on if one wants to carry charging cables and stuff

[jaunty hull]

gives you two sessions over an hour long. with a bit to spare.

[wispy fjord]

The battery I linked has its own cable attached.

[sand sundial]

I am aware of that I have the smaller one

[jaunty hull]

I do expect Switch and high end to drain faster and be closer to 2.5 hours or so b4 factoring 2nd screen but we'll see

[sand sundial]

Would have to see how the chip and cooling solution would effect things as that can have a large effect

[jaunty hull]

chipset is pretty well known at this point. cooling could be a factor but we have a similarily sized device in the O2Mini.

if its at all similar to that.

the biggest unknown is the battery drain on having a 2nd screen turned on.

[sand sundial]

I have no idea how internals will end up

[jaunty hull]

same as every other 8g2 device odin has put out. but on the warmer side with worse battery life alongside the mini

[sand sundial]

I wonder where the speakers would be

Or more importantly how they would sound

[olive mortar]

I was contemplating getting the 3DS XL at some point (the colours are great), but this comparison puts that idea to bed. Thor will be a nice replacement.

[wispy fjord]

They're front-facing by where the palms are.

Also yeah lol I just grabbed my battery pack and it's definitely gonna be my personal solution.

[low lake]

Yeah then going sd8g2 basically turned it for me into the ultimate pokemon console .... as awitch pokemons are pretty much reason I upgraded from lite to base

[olive mortar]

We're all about to find out, ha. But it really does feel like a dream device becoming reality.

[low lake]

Plane maybe?

[jaunty hull]

yeh it really does run most everything huh?
lol

[wispy fjord]

I mean, that's when you'd bring a batterypack, yes.

[jaunty hull]

Im not super familiar with which Pkmn games currently dont run on 8g2. i other than pokken I think ?

[jaunty hull]

nah, my plane trips are about an hour each way lol

joking aside tho.

3 hours kinda hits that longer play session time, and allows for multiple shorter ones.

anyone that does public transit or anything absolutely can burn up to an hour per ride easily.

[low lake]

yeah but i dont really plan to play some other stuff on it ... like for streaming Portral will be prefered for example

or RPMini whwnever i want some 4:3 on the way

[tame orchid]

similarly, you can play games that are originally on 6 button-controller game systems with 4 button handhelds. it’s 100% possible. you can do that. a lot of people can do that and manage just fine. but for anyone who wants the experience to be even vaguely similar to the original hardware, it sucks

everyone here who is excited for the thor is well aware that you can emulate ds/3ds side by side. it just isn’t anything like the experience of using a ds/3ds and is a pretty severe compromise for a lot of games, particularly if you’re trying to keep it all portable, because having both screens on screen at all times ends up requiring a bigger screen than anything i’d call pocketable

one example is dqix. technically speaking, you can swap between screens, but you’re going to be swapping every few seconds because of how it sets up the overworld and the actual battles on different screens, and trying to cram two DS screens next to each other on something like the o2m when they are both equally important is miserable

personally i’m just excited to see if i can manage to replay the world ends with you on the thor. and that’s one i’d argue inherently sucks way more without a physically separate 2nd screen

[flint pumice]

When do we expect to see first impressions of Thor? End of September?

[olive mortar]

With all this interest I'm sure YouTubers will post their first impressions asap. Unless there's an embargo the first videos should hit before the end of September (if they're sending out units around now, as it is speculated/confirmed?).

[river salmon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1ng9ink/thor_comparison_image_is_fake/

How are people so stupid 😭

Obviously it was edited with the best intentions of showing approximately how it would look like in the hand compared to a N3DS

500 up votes for this idiocracy

[low lake]

lol

people on reddit are so dumb

[flint pumice]

Yeah I don’t get the hatred. The background was so obviously mirrored

[little yacht]

Yeah when i first saw the original post i thought people knew it was mirrored lol…

Then I saw that and was like oh what was fake about it and they say it was mirrored not someone with the two devices in one pic

Like bruh

[calm granite]

The more I see of the Retroid DS, the more I like the Thor, but there's one big thing I think I won't like. In Duckstation and AetherSX2, I use touchscreen hotkeys for fast forward and save/load state. It works amazingly. But if I used the top screen for the systems when I want widescreen, I don't think I could put the touchscreen hotkeys on the bottom. I wonder if there's a chance that could work though. Can one app be active on both screens in different aspect ratios?

[kind saffron]

What I wake up to

People saying DS is pointless?

Going back to bed

[rare rampart]

Wait what

[kind saffron]

I dunno. Bunch of crazy people kisr saying split screen or use mini box

No thanks peasants

[jaunty hull]

ikr?

[kind saffron]

Like just bonkers statement. I mean even ignoring all hype buys, which were probably a fair amount, Thor sold a ridiculous amount out the gate. And is still a good option down the road

Clearly DS wanted and here to stay

Possible at some point handheld makers follow phone makers to fold. Which would be a real shame. But maybe they'll have invested enough resources in the DS paradigm they won't be dumb enough to fall down that hole

Tho they did move to glass fronts. So who knows

[round quest]

The N3DS has useful inline shoulders and is pocketable. It is regretable to lose that on the Thor

[kind saffron]

I think we'll see a ds with them in the future

Cheaper, lighter, thinner, less power

In this instance stacked probably makes more sense considering the chipsets

[round quest]

This is fair

[kind saffron]

Lul. Did he just leave or is discord being mean

[devout forge]

only like 6 games used the zl and zr though

[kind saffron]

Could be it. Clearly a lot was borrowed from the flip 2. But that's also probably why we're getting solid prices

Think it was just discord

Wouldn't let me reply

[round quest]

Lots of emulated games on the Thor could use them. I am just saying I prefer that form factor

For the sake of pocketability

[kind saffron]

I like having inline for hotkey commands for FF, save state, etc.

Not that you can't do it with triggers. Just feels weird sometimes

[round quest]

My RP4 R2 broke twice using it for FF

[kind saffron]

Trigger locks would also solve that tho

Yeah. Lining commands like that in a line up at the top reminds me a lot of walkman. Lol

Very easy to remember what's what position. No false triggers which sometimes happens bumping the back with stacked

But yeah. I think we'll see a ds device with them eventually

I 99% then they'll do something dumb like prioritiz the sticks

[round quest]

I use trigger locks on both of my Gamesir controllers, because analog triggers have no use for me personally

[kind saffron]

Yeah. One thing I really like about the konkr that hopefully we see more of across the board

[hybrid mulch]

It also sucks that you don't have customization to remap those 2 buttons or anything.

[devout forge]

you can remap for emulators usually

but yeah it would have been nice to just use them as like back paddles on a controller

[knotty ether]

If you want a DS device simply buy a DSi XL. It’s cheap, easy to mod, comfortable, and has nice screens made for DS games.

I see DS emulation is a cool bonus along side 3DS, WiiU, and multitasking uses for the second screen.

[icy atlas]

If you want a GameCube device simply buy a GameCube

[knotty ether]

No I disagree with that though because upscaling is important on GameCube for a lot of titles and the GameCube is not portable.

[icy atlas]

Ok

[jaunty hull]

https://tenor.com/view/idiotic-happy-gilmore-billy-madison-gif-19002015

[icy atlas]

Apply everything you just said to DS

[jaunty hull]

guys pack it up. some guy said we should just buy the original consoles instead if we want to play the games for them.

[knotty ether]

No the DS is already portable. And upscaling on the DS is much more hit or miss. I only see a handful of games I would ever want to use that on.

[icy atlas]

A DSi XL is not portable when my pocket is already occupied by another console

[knotty ether]

@jaunty hull I am never one to have this take, ONLY for DS will I keep this take, and consoles we can’t emulate yet.

I preordered a Thor btw, just not to become my new main DS machine.

[jaunty hull]

that makes it even more stupid because you are specifically saying it only matters to one console for absolutely no reason lol

[icy atlas]

I hate this guy and even I agree

[jaunty hull]

I just dont get why morons keep coming into this thread. for a device catered to dual screen emulation. to say that it doesnt need to exist. when they could just.....not do it and get a different device altogether. lol

[round quest]

Can we not insult people

[knotty ether]

You want reasons here:

1. DS games were designed to be on 256x192 displays. You’re not going to find any dual screen android handheld with two 4:3 displays to match the original so it’s never going to look as intended.

2. The resistive touchscreen is critically important for some games in the DS library. Games like rhythm heaven were tuned with the resistive touch screen in mind, that little bit of bounce and give the screen has an impact on how the gameplay feels.

3. Upscaling in DS games is rarely ever useful. For sprite based games it’s irrelevant and for the handful of good 3d games on the platform it doesn’t make that much of a difference.

4. The DS family is already portable, high quality, readily available, and moddable. There are no high barriers to entry like with more obscure consoles.

Again, I already bought the Thor. I’m really excited. Just not to become my new DS specifically.

[icy atlas]

1. GameCube was meant to be played on a 540x480 display

2. Don't care

3. Wrong

4. No

[jaunty hull]

imagine going to the butcher shop. being upset they sell meat, and then teling them they should start selling cabbage instead.

[knotty ether]

I didn’t know this was such a controversial take. Sorry

[jaunty hull]

its not controversial. its just stupid lol.

if you dont want a dual screened emulator.....guess what? there are dozens of single screen ones.

[knotty ether]

Let me say this, if you’re playing mostly Pokémon and RPGs then you guys are right.

That is one genre I don’t play at all so maybe that’s where my opinions come from.

[icy atlas]

I just play games

[jaunty hull]

ngl its actually so funny that you have me blocked but check all my posts anyways 😛

[icy atlas]

My first is going to be wizard of Oz beyond the yellow brick road

[jaunty hull]

tbh I just ignore the blocked popups.

[icy atlas]

A game I think will be beautiful on Thor

[jaunty hull]

not to mention how reductive and pointless "the 3/DS is already portable. is.

[olive mortar]

I agree with your argument about the different touchscreen, @knotty ether

[icy atlas]

Sun Tzu says know your enemy better than your friend

[jaunty hull]

yes, it is. but im not carrying around 5 different handhelds to play all my games.

you want me to carry around a GBA, And a 3DS, and a PSP/VITA, on top of a handhelld emulator for what reason exactly?

gb/gbc/gba are all portable too.

vita and psp are portable too.

[olive mortar]

There's really no reason to get this cross over tech toys, everyone.

[jaunty hull]

guess we shouldnt emulate Sega Genesis either because the sega nomad exists. why not just carry around that when you want to play those games? /s

[river salmon]

This is such an unemployed thread today lol

[icy atlas]

I'm at work

[olive mortar]

AYN, release the Thor tomorrow or this server will shred itself apart!

[snow palm]

as far as a i can see , for 3d games on ds upscaling makes a huge diffrence, i can kinda see some people not liking it as the 3d games may feel uncanny to some, but its still a huge change.

2d games probally a way smaller change.

[hybrid mulch]

Guys guys calm down. We are not going to play DS or 3DS or WiiU games, or any actual game on the Thor after we buy it anyway.

[olive mortar]

Hey now!

[sacred gorge]

What are these games you speak of?

Thought we were buying these just so it looks good on display

[hybrid mulch]

You won't worry about black bars if your whole screen is a black bar

[sacred gorge]

Side note

I dunno about y'all but for Wii U I'd still probably stick to a single screen (pro controller) mode on this

[fringe temple]

its hilarious isn't it 😄 mostly it's been one guy swearing at everyone and it's funny to read

[icy atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/true-patrick-spongebob-truth-nuke-gif-15777863855591434629

[last pond]

I mean, if anything, Anbernic says they're gonna do a DSi clone, so probably dual 4:3

I wanna see that one before I pull the trigger on the Thor

[icy atlas]

Only if it's small

[wispy fjord]

For Ps2, we could at least see if Trixian is willing to look into it. I think they're busy with the proper port of the PC PS2 emulator but it is something to keep in mind to ask for later.

[icy atlas]

Not buying another 5" display with a chipset that can only barely run drastic

[wispy fjord]

I'm sure ayn or ayaneo would love to have dual screen special compatibility on emulators that aren't inherently dual screen to improve value.

[jaunty hull]

theres a lot that could be added to a bunch of them yeah, bottom screen touch controls for stuff like savestates, etc.

[wispy fjord]

That is exactly what I was replying to

And the companies would likely jump on sending out free units for such development

[icy atlas]

Send them to me

[last pond]

Anbernic said they're gonna use T620 and literally nobody seems to believe them

Like everyone seems to expect them to do like another H700 or something

[icy atlas]

620 or 820?

620 would not be great

[last pond]

They said 620

[sacred gorge]

620 would be fine for DS tho

The Kinhank has that i think

[river salmon]

I'd be more excited if 3DS emulation was being worked/smoothed out. Azahar stutters/glitches/audio-breaks on a 3070 currently. Until then, I'm out. Needs to be as smooth as DS emulation

[river salmon]

When you try to tell Reddit about reality of 3DS emulation

[last pond]

Well I legitimately didn't know

[river salmon]

Yeh, I wish people were more transparent about it or talked about that side of things. Probably not part of Russ's childhood so maybe he cares less about the accuracy of emulation for 3DS in his reviews

[wispy fjord]

The games I've played haven't that that problem, legitimately. Or I've just had to turn on hardware shaders or something and it's perfectly smooth. It isn't always people lying or whatever.

[gentle notch]

Yeah I've never really had any noticeable stutters with async shaders on

[river salmon]

I'd love to share settings and emulators then, cuz I'm dumbfounded

[wispy fjord]

Just Azahar. Under debug, "enable hardware shaders" changed the entire game.

[river salmon]

Those are the ones that are on by default no?

[gentle notch]

Could just be a tolerance thing ig, I'm mainly just using default settings

[wispy fjord]

Idk, wasn't for me.

[river salmon]

I grew up on 3DS, was the first system paid for with a part time job for me, so even a stutter at the flag pole in Super Mario 3D Land or a frame drop in the loading screen bothers me

[latent roost]

I have to disagree with a lot of this and im a person who owns both a DSi XL and DSi

My DSi the screen quality is actually good. Its very bright, and the white balance is perfect. However as soon as I move in a game the smearing is insane. The amount of ghosting just ruins the look of games. The screens on DSi unfortunately are far too outdated once you used to modern displays.

My DSi XL screen is the opposite. The ghosting is barely visible and much more like modern displays. However I dont know if it is because my DSi XL is old, but the screen us so dim, nearly half as bright as my regular size DSi. There is also a red tint so the color balance is off.

For me personally DS games can be played on most emulation devices where you can add the non primary display as a smaller screen in the corner for maps, inventory etc. For those odd few games that require both screens for gameplay you can play in TATE as long as your device is a horizontal system with a right stick.

For games that require a stylus I use my Samsung S23 Ultra which comes with a S Pen

With DS emulation you can also use runahead to reduce input lag

Its 3DS emulation that has the real issue with emulation. As its a standalone emulation you have double input lag compared to original hardware. There are also shader compilation stutters. Finally you lose stereo 3D and id argue there are many games that are enhanced with stereo 3D where the camera and graphics are set yo in a way to show of the 3D.

[latent roost]

I dont know how I missed it but just seen RetroGameCorps preview of the Ayaneo Pocket DS. And i think we will have the same issues that has with Thor. Cramped controls, especially D Pad where either shoulder is a reach or thumb angle to use D Pad is too uncomfortable. Other cramped control issue is dual analog stick gaming. The sticks are too deep inside the system which is a compromised experience while right stick gets uncomfortable to use for FPS type games.

The other issue is Android doesnt support 120fps if one screen maxes out at 60fps. So you cant make use of dual screens if you want low input lag with emulation or if you want to stream 120fps games.

[river salmon]

@latent roost nooo 🤣 their battle will be legendary

[latent roost]

For me personally im going to wait it out. I like what Thor is doing but im going to see if there is a version in a few years with D pad on top. And dual 120fps screens (or Android has a fix for outputting 120fps with dual screens).

[jaunty hull]

that was obvious b4 he ever released a video to anyone thats ever held a 3ds in their life lol

also it does support 120 FPS but only when the bottom screen is disabled.

[red cairn]

Idk its like an inch thinner than a gpd win mini and the controls were fine. For me anyway

Yeah I'd really like the 120hz fix so I can do games while being able to access the bottom screen for an app

[wispy fjord]

That's gonna involve rewriting some Android stuff, so we'll have to see. I believe Gamma said he'd look into it.

[round quest]

In gamma we trust

[kind saffron]

If anyone can do it. It's the king

[halcyon spindle]

I'm in the same boat. I'll stick with my DSi XL for DS stuff but I'm ready to jump to the Thor for 3DS stuff

Basically everything on the 3DS is 3D and doesn't require pinpoint stylus controls

[nocturne osprey]

T620 for 150 or more

[slender palm]

I cant believe its not real T820 prices

[nocturne osprey]

T820 would be a '3DS' device and cost 200+

it'd be the Thor minus 50 USD or less

[slender palm]

If anbernic went real fancy on the screens

if they didnt put their 120hz LPS display in they could probably go way cheaper with 60hz ips

[nocturne osprey]

their fanciest screen is the 4.7 inch LCD screen tbf

and they're not using that for dualscreen stuff

[nocturne osprey]

they're going with 60FPS and still upcharging you for 150 for the NDS device and 200 or more for the 3DS one lol

[slender palm]

its more a problem with anbernic overpricing their t820 devices in the current market more than anything else

[nocturne osprey]

yeah

this is just what Anbernic does though

@wispy fjord Android Eden actually works better than the mobile version of Ryujinx for my Classic when it comes to emulating Lumi

I know that you guys don't support Yuzu forks, but it's genuinely running well there

[wispy fjord]

I'm glad to hear! But yeah unfortunately the code is a poisoned well.

[balmy stump]

anyone else decide to get both cases?

[heavy lion]

I bought both because I’m on the fence about the grip

[balmy stump]

same. plus I figure console and grip in case for backpack, other case for lighter travel

[jaunty hull]

or. no case for lightest travel. lol it is a clamshell lol

[jaunty hull]

ye, kinda great just how much this device comes with.

optionally anyways.

[knotty ether]

yes I 100% agree, 3ds has a way larger upside.

[lilac cobalt]

I got grip and grip case

I figure I’ll go no case when I wanna go portable

I might get a skin for it

Wondering if I should get the tpu cover tho instead of a skin

[sacred gorge]

I got the accessory pack just so I wouldn't have to wait later

[kind saffron]

So if my main goal is to play up to 3ds, is the lite sufficient? Or would I need at least the next one up? Assuming storage can be handled by microsd

[candid inlet]

Base Thor is not that much more than a great condition 3DS nowadays. Sure you can get a 3DS much cheaper if you accept a worse condition but at that point it isn’t a fair comparison anymore.

[candid inlet]

I’ve read many people confirm that the lite would be able to play the majority of the 3DS library smoothly and with an upscale.

[nocturne osprey]

'nice screens'

[candid inlet]

Just like psp 1000 has a nice screen lol

[nocturne osprey]

yeah the lite would be sufficient if you're only looking to play up to 3DS

tbf most people going up to the Pro just want the clear purple colourway lol

[low lake]

yep .. i only really went base ... cause a) already own two sd865 devices(rp5+mini) ,and b) it was just 50 more to make this "ultimate pokemon machine"

although technoically right now i have two sd8g2 too (O2 and Portal) 😄 , but old O2 is going to new owner relatively soon .. so it eill be just Portal and Thor

oh and c) the alternative colours didnt interested me enough (justce for smurf)

[lilac cobalt]

I got baited into pro for purple, guilty

But I mean look at my avatar

[olive mortar]

@lilac cobalt Your avatar is either a LoL character or some form of Xanthem/Anthem/Whateverhisnameis from Kingdom Hearts.

[low lake]

i would probably be too if it was transparent blue instad ... as i am gonan miss my smurf O2 😄

but wih oleds black is fine too

[nocturne osprey]

teal would have been so fire on this

[wispy fjord]

It's Final Fantasy XI (the MMO), lol.

[olive mortar]

Ah, close enough!

[olive mortar]

Thanks!

[kind saffron]

Haha. Touche. Yeah. I'm just probably also grabbing a high level o3 to round things out. So I really don't need the max level Thor.

It's overkill for what I'd end up using it for, which is just portable DS emulation.

I'm assuming even the lowest 8gen2 Thor could probably play most of Wii u as well

[latent roost]

Id say its the opposite. With 3DS you cant use runahead so you habe double the input lag compared to natice hardware. Also you are restricted to 60hzs if you use both screens so 120hz cant help with input lag either. Finally you lose the stereo 3D effect.

[tame orchid]

i genuinely have never had any notable lag when emulating 3DS, so i doubt i’ll feel the lag is notable here. big benefits over DS & 3DS consoles to me are fast-forward, upscaling, save states, and using it as a multimedia device, which you can’t really do with DS or 3DS. i honestly don’t mind the original consoles’ screens but there are bigger reasons for me to want the thor than just the screen

also… i honestly wish i knew how many people actually used the 3D on the 3DS?

i never bothered with it because i have two significantly different levels of sight in my eyes, so even with glasses, it always hurt my eyes. i do wish that was possible for those who did actually use it often, but like… i doubt it’s going to be a dealbreaker for 99% of people.

[tame orchid]

similarly, i think everyone who got the Max was just going for storage space 😅 i think the Base 8g2 is probably the sweet spot for most people

[low lake]

everyone i know tried it and turned it off pretty quckly