AYN Thor

[wispy fjord]

I know Tokyo Mirage Session also got ported but... some part of me wants to play the Wii U version instead.

I have both but

[ornate dune]

Having your text messages on the Wii U gamepad while playing the game on the TV ruled!

Tokyo Mirage Sessions ruled so hard. One of my fav JRPGs.

[wispy fjord]

Ah, that's what it was! I remember now. Yeah, they actually used it.

Though I wonder how Wii U gamepad resolution will do with the square Thor screen... even so, the black bars shouldn't be too bad.

[ornate dune]

Oh, Wii U is gonna be terrible lol, 16:9 on the Thor's bottom screen that's basically a square? Nah lol

[wispy fjord]

Genuinely my only two issues with TMS were: no English VA when both of the mainline series involved have had them for years (SMT and FE), and for a game about performance/creativity/etc, the music made me sad.

[ornate dune]

Oh man, I was such a weeb back then. I was watching the Nintendo Direct where they announced there was no English dub and, I kid you not, I raised my fist in the air in celebration lol

[wispy fjord]

Lmfao!

No Matt Mercer being edgelord Chrom tho

[ornate dune]

These days I am less anti-dub lol

[wispy fjord]

Sometime in the future, maybe it'll be a job for, like, RP6 + RDS but for now just having it on 8gen2 with built in two screens will be lit.

[ornate dune]

Yeah that could be a better option. Or maybe a Wii U? Are they cheap these days or nah? I know they're easy to hack - I did mine a year or two ago

[wispy fjord]

I have mine, space in my home is just a premium, and I'd like it if the whole thing were portable.

[ornate dune]

Ahh fair fair

[wispy fjord]

Either way, it's hype as heckie

[ornate dune]

The Switch version might be totally fine tbf. I know they added some QoL like letting you skip battle animations. I actually bought it recently, I need to try it out

[nocturne osprey]

how does this exactly work for melonDS? do I just choose custom for my dualscreen device and then edit the layout?

[wispy fjord]

There's two sections for layouts, you edit both on the main screen but once assigned to external, it shows up that way there iirc

Samsung autocorrect keeps getting worse, I stg

[snow palm]

Im not against dubs but i remeber clearly that for a time the wiiu only had the option of the english dub and no way to swap languages

[nocturne osprey]

external and internal right

[wispy fjord]

Should be!

I set it up on my RP5 before I canceled my RDS, lol

[ornate dune]

For Tokyo Mirage Sessions? It was definitely JPN-only.

[snow palm]

i mean ye, but i feel like it was more of a exception to the rule. switch was alot better in that regard most games let you swap between languages pretty easily, so if u felt like playing a game in like full japanese or full italian you can eat out your heart.

[gloomy sundial]

Im sure for a lot of people it is, but if you can’t do multiplayer on ds games to play with friends what’s the point of picking up a Thor or even the pocket ds ?

[wispy fjord]

I was a lonely kid who lived in the woods and lived and died by my video games, none of which involved playing with other people. That a DS or 3DS is a social thing for some is a take I hadn't even thought of.

[sacred gorge]

In the 10-15 years, I've owned DSs and 3DSs, not once did I do multiplayer

[gloomy sundial]

Never played Pokémon with a friend ?

[wispy fjord]

Nope.

Not until Switch games.

[sacred gorge]

Same

[wispy fjord]

I'm not the one you asked, but yeah.

[crude tulip]

last time I played Pokémon with a friend, it still required a cable

[normal kayak]

me too, me too

[wispy fjord]

ScVi with friends (on Switch 2 where it runs like an Actual Game) is really fun. But yeah no, most "play with friends" options in Pokemon weren't for me in the first place.

[rocky sinew]

would be neat to see new pics or videos of the device

[fluid cloak]

beyond the link cable era it really depended i think, gen 4 i remember going to the store with my friend to get diamond and pearl, doing download play mario kart ds with some of the neighborhood kids

pictochat was a goofy gimmick i guess but i did do it a few times

then nothing else til 3DS when X and Y and Smash 4 became a surprisingly (to me anyway) big thing in my high school

never seen so many kids actually having a handheld in my life lol

it's kinda funny cuz at the time i dont think people really cared about 3DS street/spotpass or Vita's "Near" system all that much but you see people with the light flashing on their 3DS at conventions all the time now

i did remember checking Near and being surprised

1. that people other than me had one and
2. some people had surprisngly decent taste in games but I never got to meet them

[elder wing]

I remember having crystal, the my mind skipping to gen 5 and playing alot of that as a kid and continuing from there

Then going back to play older games via emulation or modding my DS/3ds

[fluid cloak]

i didnt mod it at the time but i was very lucky to get a TTDS

being able to fill that up with roms was crazy, introduced me to tons of my favorite games

[steady ingot]

Street Pass was wild. I live in the sticks so it was useless for me most of the time, but whenever I went to PAX it would be this incredible fight to make room for more people. And then you'd light up another country and get super excited.

[jaunty hull]

I forget where it was,. but like I think mcdonalds and a few other places had like some streetpass relay points that would give you more streetpasses from all over.

and I recall their was some other way to do it from your own network somehow at one point.
I remember doing it bcz there was a pokemon ORAS event distribution for Latias/Latios that was exclusively distributed through the world championship event but could be accessed by streetpassing with anyone else that had accessed the event.

[nocturne osprey]

enjoying the NDS/3DS games you know and love without destroying your eyes?

as well as enjoying the benefits of emulation (e.g. save states, fast forward, etc)

[jaunty hull]

also both emulators have multiplayer as wips iirc.

not to mention a bunch of online functionality on base DS/3DS dont even work anyways and only work on emulated servers like what ppl are doing for MH4U

[jolly dune]

Wait Azahar has Wondertrade / GTC access or just local multilayer?

[jaunty hull]

iirc Im not caught up with it to tell you what does or doesnt work atm.

but I think that wondertrade/GTS doesnt have servers.

[jolly dune]

Ah guess pretendo doesnt have that capacity yet.

[jaunty hull]

I just know that 4U getting support again is great. lol

[snow palm]

I did multiplayer ocassionally like i loved pictochatting with my sister at night making up little stories or ocacionally play mario kart download play with school friends. But honestly 99% of the time was me just playing on my own.

[fluid cloak]

I guess it was a matter of who you could meet too

DS definitely had a perception of a multiplayer handheld and it kinda was but for me i got way more meaningful ones out of PSP

had more games with real online versus infrastructure besides Pokemon

And some really awesome co-op memories, obviously Monster Hunter being the biggest but the clones and inspirations

Meeting another kid who had Peace Walker at summer camp was one of the coolest things ever at the time

And used to have my friends huddle around with MHFU to hunt a ton of stuff til we learned about adhoc party with our PS3s

[hushed ridge]

DS has plenty of great multiplayer games, both local and online. Meanwhile I barely knew anyone else who even had a PSP, let alone the same multiplayer games as me. I think I did multiplayer once and that’s it

[fluid cloak]

whoops i think i meant to say "*I had more games" with the online in that earlier part

i can't speak to the true number of ds or psp games that had online play just what i owned

both had tons with ad hoc local that was pretty common

i remember star wars battlefront and killzone liberation being good fun online

[cloud aspen]

Yeah it’s crazy that they sold 80 million of them but feels like no one else had one

[hushed ridge]

I didn’t know the PSP even had online multiplayer for years since, in addition to being a dumb kid, they called it something like “infrastructure play” with a tiny icon on the back of the box if anything. Nintendo had a distinct “Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection” logo front and center

[river salmon]

I caved :/

[errant dome]

mario kart ds online play was good fun

unironically loved snaking

[jolly wadi]

when was thor planned to ship out again

[left kiln]

Mid october

[prisma bay]

been fighting back and forth between this and the pocket ds. trying to wait on videos but when the pocket ds goes out of early bird it is out of the running for me

half considering ordering both and selling whichever I don’t want on ebay

[river salmon]

I think AYN is easily the choice because they're giving a 1 year warranty.

[prisma bay]

ayaneo also claims a one year on their website

[icy atlas]

i think the thor is the choice because the ayaneo looks worse overall as a product

kek

[dark aurora]

And even with their support, its pretty easy to order the part you need if you know what it is.

[river salmon]

🤨

[river salmon]

Dragon Yellow is orgasmically beautiful

[dark aurora]

They both have their uses. I like ayas more overall for general use, but thor definitely has it beat in portability and nostalgia.

[icy atlas]

looks like a 2005 subaru baja

[dark aurora]

Theres a reason i ordered both and intend to keep both. But the ds will probably see more use.

[errant dome]

on a pure feature level, if i prioritized filling up the screens as accurately as possible with ds and 3ds content, and wanted the biggest screen possible for the rest of my gaming, the pocket ds wouldve been my choice. i preordered when it opened

[prisma bay]

I like the smaller size and dual oled of the thor, but the ergonomics/better triggers/closer screen ratios (for ds/3ds) sound appealing for the pocket

[errant dome]

cancelled after the thor was announced. i prioritize high quality displays and i greatly prefer oleds. i can see myself playing gb, gbc, ngpc on the bottom screen on the thor where i wouldnt on the pds

[dark aurora]

Yeah, im actually really glad they are 2 devices that can stand together rather than trying to compete for the same niche. Better choice and reason for me to satiate my hinger for handhelds.

[errant dome]

and also like the smaller size with a grip option, plus the visual design of the thor is much better to me, but the oled alone was enough of a reason

[dark aurora]

Honestly. Id still just play those on the top screen for both.

[errant dome]

especially knowing how good it works on the RP classic

[dark aurora]

They dont match the aspect ratio on either, and will be much bigger and a more comfortable viewing angle.

[hybrid mulch]

Isn't dragon yellow a konkr colorway? I think ds is starry yellow.

[crude tulip]

Dragon Cheese

[errant dome]

that may very well be the case for me as well lol, but at least i have the option of doing so and not feeling like im looking at a worse experience

[hybrid mulch]

I like konkr yellow so I hope to see a konkr ds

[dark aurora]

Yellow is yellow.

[river salmon]

AYANEO did it first for the AYANEO brand

I hate that the Pocket DS has one OLED and one LCD. I'd rather have both LCD

[errant dome]

if im being completely honest, knowing how beam simulator works, i'm probably not going to want to keep turning it on and off and swapping shaders when i swap screens

so yeah youre right i'll likely only play those on the top screen

[dark aurora]

Its definitely odd and i dont like it, but im only ever going to use it full screen or off so its not a deal breaker.

[river salmon]

Whichever one fills out the screen more

[jolly wadi]

maybe the idea was that the bottom screen would be used as a sensor panel, and to avoid oled burn in

[prisma bay]

have been thinking about this. seems like lots of reviewers have been keeping it on when playing switch etc for quick settings access

[jolly wadi]

for the thor, i was hoping to keep the bottom screen as dim as possible, when its used as a sensor panel

[errant dome]

on either device i dont think id use the sensor panel. always find fps overlays distracting

[river salmon]

Maybe. Like when the bottom screens display 1 image?

Modern oleds take a long time to get burn in.

[errant dome]

the bottom screen is not a modern oled

[jolly wadi]

any static image

[river salmon]

What is it from?

[errant dome]

LG Wing

[jolly wadi]

true, it was a display designed for a mobile phone

[hybrid mulch]

It would be amazing if bottom screen can be used for like a grid of save states

[jolly wadi]

that would be cool

[river salmon]

U can shop for more handhelds on the bottom screen

[jolly wadi]

put amazon quick buys at the bottom. like cheetos

but it wont register, cause your fat fingers and the screen itself is covered in cheetos

[river salmon]

What an abomination xD

[errant dome]

thanks to it, we have multiple handhelds with great screens! you take that back!

[river salmon]

Abomination died and its corpse was successfully repurposed

[errant dome]

for those who come after!

[river salmon]

Ye ye

I hope someone buys my 3ds and dsi and games

I need justification

[errant dome]

dont sell your og hardware! find a side hustle

[jaunty hull]

I basically ruled it out based on that alone. only reason I was considering it b4 hand was the fact it was teh only choice.

really only upside to the pocket DS imho is the software already looks good and usable.

otherwise its a bit too big, non matching screends, ergo makes it even less portable.
and ayaneo fomo pricing always drives me away.

[errant dome]

considering how much the thor outsold the ds, doesnt look like many had fomo lol

[jaunty hull]

not spending 100+ after launch for something. and not being forced to buy it early to save the money.

[errant dome]

i dont imagine youre alone. i doubt they sell many more after early bird is over

[jaunty hull]

I legit dont know how ayaneo sells anything beyond its initial pre-order period.

[devout forge]

"premium"

[kind saffron]

They tend not to

Probably why they license designs to antec who sells them for more reasonable prices

[river salmon]

OG hardware kinda wearing off on me

[errant dome]

dont use it. just hold it to sell in 10 years when the prices are higher

[river salmon]

Who actually makes money that way lol

[jaunty hull]

I just keep one of every old device around.

[jaunty hull]

I could if I wanted. lol

[vapid rain]

I will personally not use my og hardware, but I will keep them around as mementos/keepsakes

[jaunty hull]

got a few N3DSXLs spare that ended up being basically free. lol

[river salmon]

Inflation has mostly matched the prices of open box stuff

[errant dome]

i had a massive game collection, mostly snes and ps1. sold it before the big boom

regret it every minute

[kind saffron]

If inflation keeps booming it might be the same as selling today 😆

[hybrid mulch]

When will we have Amazon dash button for retro handhelds

[kind saffron]

It just autobuys the next release?

[errant dome]

inflation, end of american consumerism, nuclear winter, ok yes there are risks

[hybrid mulch]

Anbernic can make one for H700

[jaunty hull]

paid like.170 for 3 N3DSXL's back when nintendo announced they discontinued the 3DS. along with like a ton of games. sold the games for 160. since I already had all the 1st party ones and didnt care for the others mostly lol.

now how much do N3DSXL's go for used? lol

[kind saffron]

If we stop consuming maybe they'll start paying us better, giving actual raises... Nah, they'll just melt us down and feed us to cows

[river salmon]

Maybe $300 tops for most models

[jaunty hull]

nice. lol and one is a mint condition Majoras mask one. that one was looking pricy last I checked lol

not gonna sell that one tho. I keep all my zelda consoles.

[kind saffron]

Yeah. If you did it as an investment, buying every Zelda console and leaving it in box is the way to go

Think the only one that didn't really go up in value is the switch lite one

[mighty obsidian]

I think I'm going to sell my N3DS and Vita. I got my money's worth out of both.

[kind saffron]

I love my modded one tho

[mighty obsidian]

There are much better ways to invest money.

[kind saffron]

100%

[mighty obsidian]

They don't have aging batteries to worry about.

lol

[kind saffron]

If I took my handheld money and dumped it into a Roth IRA I'm sure I'd come out ahead. Heh

[errant dome]

yeah but youre not

youre going to buy a handheld

[mighty obsidian]

I men, they are worth some money now, which is nice, but they were pretty expensive to begin with. It's not like they earned that much.

[kind saffron]

Damn right

Hard to spend Roth IRA money when society is back to trading 2 headed goats in 20 years

[mighty obsidian]

2 headed goats are also difficult to invest in though.

[kind saffron]

Tie two goats together and wait for regulations to no longer exist. Should be any day now

[errant dome]

just predict the crash, then convert all of your investments into goats

[kind saffron]

The real endgame

[errant dome]

we're about to have crypto and private equity mixed into our retirement accounts, goat index fund when?

[kind saffron]

Lol. Just wait til they bring nfts back. 2 headed goat nfts for the win

[jaunty hull]

nah. thats lame. I like to use and see them out of the boxes lol

[jaunty hull]

yet lol. they still make and sell it afaik so ofc its not worth anything.

[kind saffron]

Oh. I bought em all. I just also sold em once I stopped playing them. I've just noticed they seem to be most valued

[jaunty hull]

I got the zelda lite bcz I didnt have a lite yet. and also wanted to play echoes of wisdom on it.

[kind saffron]

Yeah. I bought a spare I'll give to my offspring one day

[weak knot]

My curiosity is still with the Thor. I don't really have a usage case for it so I more than likely won't be picking it up but interested to see how it works out

[jaunty hull]

Ngl theres something so funny about the thor. bcz its both such an unknown situation on how it turns out, but then also the most known at the same time lol

like, we know 8g2 and 865 reallly well.

its realy how the DS and the software and the formfactor plays out.

[mighty obsidian]

The big unknowns are the ergonomics and the hinge quality.

There might be some surprises, like software struggling with the two screen setup? Or something out of left field.

[river salmon]

I bet 5 US dollars it will need a V2 to fix unexpected design flaws. Or a big OTA patch

[wispy fjord]

Well, if it's under warranty for a year, there's chance they'll cover it if they need to do a hardware swap, no?

[kind saffron]

I have faith Retroid will loan them a hinge

[rare rampart]

That doesn't inspire courage

[mighty obsidian]

Has anyone aside from Nintendo done a hinge really well?

[rare rampart]

Not sure if Nintendo did them well either

And their shoulder buttons on the DS lite

T.T

[lilac cobalt]

didnt retroid fix the hinge on newer flip2s

[river salmon]

Not that we know of

[frigid shore]

They did, the stress point is rounded now in replacement units.

[frigid shore]

There were so many broken DSL hinges that they singlehandedly popularized and sustained the aftermarket shell replacement industry

[river salmon]

epic

Follow-up, do we know if they are fixing their current inventory?

[mighty obsidian]

Hah, I guess I missed that. I do have a DS lite with a broken screen though (makes a great GBA)

[river salmon]

Perhaps the difference there is I can go to Nintendo and get it fixed, with these companies, it's at their mercy every time.

[kind saffron]

Plastic wrapped hinges will forever be a failure point. Almost always not an if but when

Plastic doesn't do great under stress, and all these devices its exposed, so will constantly be experiencing impacts. Even just small ones over time can cause fractures

If you really wanted them to last you'd just make them all metal. But it'd make devices more expensive

[jaunty hull]

ergo is gonna be bad. but in a good way lol

its literally N3DSXL ergo. but technically more cramped on the right side. and with stacked triggers.

[rare rampart]

Yeah any hinges that involves plastic is going to fail eventually

Just look at laptops >.<

You can make the hinge out of metal but attach it to the plastic shell and the hinge will rip off the plastic

[nocturne osprey]

to be fair my DSi has lasted for 15+ years atp, plastic hinges will fail at some point but it's possible to create a hinge that can last for the effective lifetime of the device

[rare rampart]

Oh for sure

Just that a lot try to save money by not

HP >.>

[kind saffron]

Yeah. Even Nintendo's systems were hit or miss

I mean there's hinges out there that work better. But they're probably pretty pricey to implement

[frigid shore]

Plastic can be pretty finicky too to be honest.
Micro air bubbles, temperature expanding/shrinking stresses, any kind of impurity exposure, etc.

[rare rampart]

And so I propose Ayn goes back to the drawing board and comes out with a all metal shell

And not because I thought that was really cool when Retroid did it.

[supple mason]

The next evolution of high end handhelds is all glass shell

[wispy fjord]

Cracks at a level 6, with deeper shattering at a level 7

[kind saffron]

Heh

Yeah. I know environment can do a lot to it too. I had a old game boy I accidentally left in my car during sub zero temps and part of the shell cracked

[icy atlas]

one reason i always keep my stuff in bags/containers with silica gel packets

[kind saffron]

Yeah. It was a silly mistake. Now I just make sure to bring stuff in

[nocturne osprey]

me living close to the tropics:

I actually have to make sure that humidity and heat don't ruin my devices over here

[kind saffron]

Damn. This thing looks so slick

What a cool little gadget

[ember sail]

Woohoo

[last condor]

seeing it front on makes me want it more

[river salmon]

No way this doesnt creak and crack and break your handheld's back

Need some rubber spacers

[ember sail]

Improved hinge shell design from flip2
Rounded instead of 90 degree sharp

[proud rivet]

Yeah, let me hop on my time machine real quick to tell Nintendo about that critical oversight

[rocky sinew]

yeah I think the 3DS models do the same thing

[left kiln]

People forget the 3DS had the same thing lol

[nocturne sedge]

Now I have a hard time believing that you can't use two - upper and bottom screen protectors at once

there is plenty of space for both

[dusky thunder]

🙁 wish they would do Snes US buttons for this. But looks amazing

[left kiln]

I liked that when they did that style for Odin lite

[dusky thunder]

Yeah i love the purple/lilac combo

[left kiln]

It was probably the best colourway at the time

[kind saffron]

People gotta let this theory die. Nintendo proved it was a non issue centuries ago

[ornate dune]

I'm telling the King to revoke your British citizenship

[left kiln]

Sorry I dont want to think of Skittles when Im playing games 🤣

[proud rivet]

Now, I want to see this device in someone's hands. While Ayn shared "real" pictures few times already, all of those pictures still look computer rendered to me.
Hope that they can show a working prototype soon. Since the Pocket DS is already in reviewers' hands

[vast ibex]

It's cuz they're professionally taken photos, in very sterile environments/lighting.

You're only gonna get "real" ones when reviewers get them, at the earliest, or when buyers get them, the latest.

[left kiln]

Video coming Friday

[river salmon]

It's a lot wider than AYN's bump

I hope yall are right lol

[elder wing]

FUUUUUUUCK I WANT THIS AAAA

Like no joke, this looks clean

[weak knot]

Why did I read this like it was creak and crack like my back

[honest slate]

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-business-card-gif-12244314

[weak knot]

Like when you get a burger and it's like what it looks like online vs what you bought

[ornate dune]

My neck, my back, AYN Thor creak and crack

[weak knot]

Me to the Ayn Thor potentially

[vast ibex]

tbf, it can work in the "actually in your hands" factor's favor imo.

I think most of the transparent color options for these handhelds look much worse in their renders or extremely absurd lit rooms for professional photos.

Whereas for food, yeah no. The marketing/packaging image is virtually always gonna win out on appearance lol.

[lime sonnet]

Looks like they changed the TCC. Either the earlier screenshot was just a mockup or the one from the new photo isn’t final.

I’m probably the only one who cares but as a UX/Product designer this bugs me a little lol. The one in the photo is worse.

[river salmon]

It was supposed to be like the rhyme about your mama's back

[vapid rain]

Looking forward to seeing what the white and clear purple actually look like in photos as opposed to renders

[frigid shore]

Waiting to see the purple in motion so I can swap to it potentially

[elder wing]

Im still debating between full black or Rainbow

[nocturne osprey]

both are good

just go with what you prefer

[tidal peak]

the only thing different is that Thor has a smaller raised part so the lever effect will be greater when pressed, i guess the screen will be fine since it is glass laminated which gives a reinforced structure, but the hinge, who knows

maybe we will put silicone drawer stoppers below the home/back buttons

[honest slate]

The brightness sliders disappearing is not a great sign

[sly finch]

So... The problem is that the N3DS XL has a much wider raised bump and the top screen doesn't even touch it, 2 rubber stoppers are placed on the top shell, not the screen, so the shell takes the force when closing.

The Thor's bottom shell bumpers are much narrower and push directly against the glass screen bezel

I'm sure it'll be fine for most use cases but... I would just be more careful when shutting it or putting it in a bag or pocket that's tight

[nocturne osprey]

oh yeah give me back my NDS lights lol

[flint pumice]

Thor looks gorgeous

So hard to resist

[flint pumice]

Retroid and Ayn surely are not the same company

[tacit leaf]

If only Ayn shipped to my country, this is gonna be like a 400+ dollar handheld here most likely 😭

[flint pumice]

Flip 2 hinge cracked so Thor hinge can live

[nocturne osprey]

where do you live?

[honest slate]

It's crazy how close it is to the console it's trying to imitate while adding a bit of modern flare. Only the gameboy DMG has had such close recreations (Ignoring the GBC fpga that uses an aftermarket shell)

[tacit leaf]

Mexico, Ayn doesn't ship and AliExpress listings are some insane shit lmao

[flint pumice]

Check out RG34XX

[tacit leaf]

400 before taxes and shipping (often free doe) for the base portal lmao

[flint pumice]

But yeah that's the kind of devices I want. A modern recreation of classic handheld

[nocturne osprey]

I want these LEDs back

[honest slate]

I'm aware of the RG34XX. Not quite there imo, the sticks really detract from the original and the bezels also look off

[nocturne osprey]

that is crazy lmao

[honest slate]

The 35XX is better but Chonky

[tacit leaf]

Yeah, honestly insane that there's FINALLY something that can do 3DS better than a 3DS (minus whatever emulator quirks)

[ornate dune]

That's strange cause their IGG releases ship to Mexico:

[tacit leaf]

Oh I was just thinking directly from Ayn, like the Odin 2s

That's good to know but I ain't getting this rn, don't really have the money to burn on it

[flint pumice]

I think you are talking about 34xx sp. 34XX is almost an exact clone of OG GBA.

It's my first retro handheld.

[dark aurora]

The bumpers are still there, its just on the bottom part.

[ornate dune]

Yeah i'm just searching for "mexico" in their Discord now and lots of people are saying AYN's website doesn't offer shipping to Mexico.

[honest slate]

Your right, I forgot about the non-sp model. lol

[ornate dune]

You could try emailing them tho

[tacit leaf]

I asked them once and they said no so

[ornate dune]

Ah, that sucks

[tacit leaf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dark aurora]

But yea, i dont like the gap design from the 3dsxl line. Much prefer it be fully enclosed. Pocket ds but it is wider and a smaller gap. Still wish they just went with the flip ds/1s design.

[orchid haven]

the AYN thor looks so good

im about to cave

holy aaaaaaaaaaaa

[tacit leaf]

Maybe I'll just bit the bullet later on with the 3

Or this

[dark aurora]

Transparent purple is calling you

[orchid haven]

but i will resist and wait for a hands on review

and see how it actually looks in a person's hand

crazy how the lite version is only 250usd

[sly finch]

Yeah but they seem to be pressing directly on the screen in the area I highlighted, which feels like a bit of an oversight imo. It should be fine, but I doubt it'd be very durable is all.

[latent roost]

Thats a good point. Looking at my 3DS I can see it has bigger bezels with rubber bumpers where as this the pressure is directly on the screen. I advise people wait 6 months to see how this fares

[kind saffron]

Except the two rubber stoppers on the bottom

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-boy-cowboy-gotcha-finger-guns-gif-17948078

[latent roost]

Those 2 rubber stoppers put pressure against the top screen though

[kind saffron]

Yeah. Gorilla glass like 8.5

Jesus people

Nintendo's screen has like, monkee glass 1.0

[sly finch]

I'm not concerned about the glass, I'm concerned about the OLED underneath

[kind saffron]

It's gonna be fine. As long as your not actively smashing the shit out of it

[latent roost]

I feel like this maybe more suspectible to break than non clamshells. Clamshells dont always mean better protection

[kind saffron]

I can press really hard on the edges of my phone and not cause damage to the OLED. The flex near the edge of the screen will be minimal

[latent roost]

Something like a RG477M with a glass sceeen protector is probably more rugged than this

[kind saffron]

Old clamshells broke a lot too. Just fyi. Mostly cause we were all kids back then

[latent roost]

Its always the hinge cracks or the trigger springs break off

Ive carried a RG28XX with me a ton and no issues at all

[kind saffron]

Like Nintendo DSL

[rare rampart]

A bullet plate doesn't stop you from feeling the bullet is all I'm saying. It will probably be fine though as long as you aren't hulk smashing or squeezing the lid through a press.

[sly finch]

Yeah, like I said I'm sure it'll be fine for the most part but I'd just be a bit more gentle than normal considering the design

[kind saffron]

It's also a fat ass Minecraft block. Heh

[kind saffron]

Yeah. I mean don't be gorilla, use gorilla

All jokes aside. Yeah. It'll likely be more fragile. It's also kinda expensive, so in a case in a bag, gentle in the pocket. Don't carry when mountain climbing. And we'll all make it back safe

[latent roost]

Here is DS and 3DS on a RG477M

[kind saffron]

The hinge concerns I get. Cause you can baby the crap out of something and the hinge will just explode if poorly designed

[latent roost]

Bit of a compromised experience but atleast you get 120hz sceeen. Where as dual screen setup on Thor is 60hz

[hybrid mulch]

If you keep it open the hinge won't break

[kind saffron]

But all the people forcefully pushing down on the lid of their flip 2s to show you that plastic will bend, I'm like whyyyy

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-meme-what-confused-huh-gif-5480485

[latent roost]

Its not about force but having to pocket it and not worry it will crack inside your pocket

Especially with this being 250 dollars and I assume most will pick up 300 dollar.version

[sly finch]

Thankfully AYN seem to have learned from Retroid there, they have gone with the same V2 flip2 hinge design from the looks of the images

[kind saffron]

I can't control people's pocket size. That's on them

[latent roost]

Where as my RG477M being made of metal and more rugged and only costing me 180 dollars in feel less bothered about cracking it

[kind saffron]

If your wiggling this into your spandex cutoffs, it'll probably end poorly

[hybrid mulch]

I bet there will be crazy person make metal slate shells for the thor soon

A modern more powerful 2ds

[kind saffron]

If your smartphone is already banana shaped from pocket use, I'd maybe throw it in a bag

But yeah. Just gonna have to feel it out, and probably common sense it

I put a o2portal in my pocket once and immediately regretted my life choices

[mighty obsidian]

If you’re worried about the lid gap, can’t you just add a small rubber piece on each corner? I’m sure there are ones for sale already that would fit, and people will be racing to sell them on etsy.

[hybrid mulch]

Every time I get anxious about my handheld I take a look at my colleagues iphone pro max extra giga with cracked glasses front and back, and I feel much more relaxed

[severe kelp]

Would be interesting to see how multitasking works on the 2 screens

[latent roost]

Smartphone is way more rugged though. For example my S23 Ultra is made of metal and has a case and glass screen protector. It doesnt have triggers that can break etc. Its not really comparable

[severe kelp]

Envision myself playing GB games on the bottom screen, then felt bored and switched to the main screen for some PS2

[kind saffron]

Yeah. Just search bumpoffs. There's a ton out there. Personally I'm just gonna try not to do anything crazy

[mighty obsidian]

I’m careful with my electronics so I’m not worried about it, but it seems like an easy fix for anyone concerned.

[kind saffron]

And then they keep using it! I'm like dude!!! Just buy a $50 phone from best buy and move on

Friend literally sliced his finger open on broken screen and showed up next day using it with a bandaid on

I'm like let it die

[mystic condor]

play two RPGs with long unskippable attack animations

Xenosaga comes to mind

[hybrid mulch]

My S23 got a deep gouge on the side when it bumped into a work bench corner. I am actually more concerned with metal handheld like I am so careful handling my rg353m because if it gets a scratch it looks really bad. But plastic is much better at hiding scratches (if not a shiny paint)

[kind saffron]

I'm good with just looking up builds while I PC stream turn based shit. I mean outside of all the DS stuff I will devour on it

If anyone ever finds a capacitive stylus that doesn't suck, please post. I've had 0 luck

[mystic condor]

Yeah truthfully the multitasking stuff doesn't appeal to me too much. Maybe an occasional gamefaqs guide.

[kind saffron]

The use cases are completely different too tho. See people texting while jogging down roads. So they want to make sure the phone survives even if the user doesn't

[mystic condor]

The whole "watch youtube while playing your favorite games!" thing is wild. I guess if you're level grinding with the game muted, maybe.

I've just waited years for a true DS/3DS emulation device and this is it. That's all I really care about.

Also hoping I can somehow find a good, working stylus close to the size of an original DS stylus. Some games need one.

[severe kelp]

lol what i meant was is that because it has 2 screens with diff aspect ratios

you can basically play everything optimally

like for dont wanna play GB/GBC games on the main screen, too much wasted space

that's where the bottom screen comes into play

so like the Thor essentially the last handheld you ever need really

[hybrid mulch]

You don't say that 😂

[severe kelp]

that's what im hoping, inb4 buying the next upcoming handheld lol

[low lake]

i only had three devices when i said that

😄

[latent roost]

Thing is for DS is still a compromised experience. Games like Sonic Rush you would need black bars to scale correctly across 2 screens. Stylus games wint feel the same. The DSi and DS Lite are also D Pad centric and the D Pad on this is in an awkward position. DSi and DS Lite are also much more picketable than this. And they are actually very affordable. I understand upscaling is cool in modern systems but DS graphics are so basic id rather leave them at their native resolution and many games on DS are sprite based or have a mixture of sprites and 3D models so it looks wrong upscaling. Finally many people dont know this but you can buy flashcards for DS that support save states. Only huge advantage would be fast forward for RPGs on Thor

[nocturne osprey]

yeah the dpad being on the bottom is honestly a bit annoying

I will say that NDS looks amazing on OLED though lol

like even without upscaling

the better screen makes a huge difference by itself

[latent roost]

Yeah but being all in one will make it a compromised experience. E.g D Pad at the bottom for retro games. Or being too thick and bulky and having 2nd screen turned off just for playing one type of game that dont make use of both screens

[nocturne osprey]

tbf you're going to be making compromises one way or the other with all-in-one devices

I feel like you're picking nits here

[gritty tusk]

I still feel like a Surface Duo is a no compromise experience for DS and with dual OLED 4:3 displays of the same exact size, it’s hard to beat it

[latent roost]

Thats why id rather have multiple devices lol. The cost of Thor alone will probably cost the same as multiple devices

[gritty tusk]

Massive 5.6” oled 4:3 displays or 5.8” if duo 2.

Put whatever telescopic controller you want. Want pocketable note taking manga reader? Rock it with no controller

[mystic condor]

it's really nice, but with the added controller, it's a pretty chunky setup. There's something to be said for having the complete package in one 3DS-sized device

[low lake]

surface dui is imo big pricey compromise

hard to find one with good battery too nowadays

[nocturne osprey]

it is what it is, it's pretty perfect for my use case outside of the dpad configuration because I mainly play NDS/3DS games that don't require correct scaling across both screens + I want to emulate some Switch as well

[hybrid mulch]

I hope that thor and ds bring duo price down.

[low lake]

yes there is always comrpomises on top of compromises i one ees to have just single device

[gritty tusk]

You can put really small controller like x2s or nacon and sport a big one like g8+.

I just find the fact that no controller is needed makes it much more versatile for more things like also being able to fold it back to only use one screen for vertical touchscreen gameboy, or use it for e reading, manga, etc.

[kind saffron]

Mehhhhhhhhhhhh. You know what. I'm gonna start a black bar fanclub. All this hate. When all they really want is love

Love your bars people

[sly finch]

The best DS & 3DS experience is obviously still on original hardware, but they are getting old AF and their screens are aging, yellowing, dead pixels, etc. are becoming the norm and replacement screens are usually of dubious quality. For now Thor fills a nice gap where you can emulate the majority of consoles and also have a nice DS experience that's better than most current emulation handhelds. Also the price is great, so that helps.

[gritty tusk]

If they do come down in price, snag one. I’m sure it’ll be hard to think of a use case where Thor beats it other than performance for winlator / switch / upscaling ps2.

As for DS / 3DS, Duo will reign supreme experience I think

[kind saffron]

Honestly the hand feels won't be great. But we know that. I have faith in a comfy grip tho. If not from them, from someone

[mystic condor]

also, retroachievements. that's a point for this over original hardware.

[nocturne osprey]

atp I lowkey hate playing DS games on my DSi

[low lake]

same

its so friggin slow 😄

if you have ore than 4 games

[nocturne osprey]

screen destroys my eyes too

[low lake]

the screens are ass too

[nocturne osprey]

I've been enjoying NDS games on my RP Classic so much more

[amber pivot]

slow + awful screens no thanks

can't wait to get my thor in hands

[kind saffron]

I hate all old ds at this point. Sorry to those who love it. Resolution is just balls. I mean I get that for the time it was what it was but

[gritty tusk]

I don’t want a separate DS and 3DS device. I want both libraries on one DS emulation handheld with upscaling and emu save states and such.. also not shitty yellow screens lol

[low lake]

i will have mid solution tomorrow/friday with RDS arriving ... so cant wait to mess around

[kind saffron]

I'll gladly take black bars and no stylus for something that looks awesome

[nocturne osprey]

tbf I'm somewhat intrigued with using a joystick to play NDS games lol

[gritty tusk]

Hell I use joysticks for SNES and sometimes GBA. Idc bring on the sticks lol

[nocturne osprey]

stylus is overrated anyways when your touchscreen is modern smartphone level

[low lake]

i kinda did that with rgb30 😄

was ass

😄

but i tried

[nocturne osprey]

tbf nothing quite replaces the dpad, but my experience with joysticks on devices like the Switch tell me that the experience won't be that bad if I ever feel that the dpad position on the Thor is a bit too uncomfortable lol

[low lake]

switch dpad is just dreadfull

and eard te switch2 one isnt much better

but its been nice on my 3rd party joycons

[gritty tusk]

It will be uncomfortable tbh. Even my X2S which has dpad sitting below stick with no offset is uncomfortable, which is why I mostly go left stick

Did the same with 3DS, used the circle pad more often than dpad when i emulated retro systems / played ds

[low lake]

the one think i cant wait for thor ... si to make it exlusive pokemon romhacks moster machine spreading from gb to switch ones 😄

[kind saffron]

Yeah. Makes sense. I honestly haven't tried any games that used one when emulating

[gritty tusk]

Fwiw, I never use a stylus on my duo when playing games. The finger touch is very accurate and much more practical.

I use a stylus for note taking on it but that’s the only use case

[nocturne osprey]

yeah that makes sense, I wish AYN had an option with dpad on top

[wheat creek]

play trauma center with your fingers

[nocturne osprey]

I don't mind reaching down for joysticks when playing more advanced systems

[wheat creek]

actual touch based games on the ds need styluses

[gritty tusk]

Flip 2 had the perfect control layout comfort wise with nice offset. Thor and Pocket DS compromised that comfort / layout for a smaller package to fit the second display

But it would be nice if a year down the line we get a Thor XL. 7” OLED of pocket DS + Mini v2 bottom OLED + Flip 2 controls

[gritty tusk]

I don’t play too many touch heavy games though. Typically they are just click here for accessing menu / quick shortcuts to change loadout, etc.

For touch heavy games then yeah, maybe the stylus needs to be used

[mighty obsidian]

I thought selling my DS and playing that library on 3DS would be a really good plan... it turns out that screen is terrible for DS games. It's so low res and the scaling is horrible. I've been playing some DS games that work with one screen on my Brick and it is unbelievable what a better experience it is.

I've been wanting a better dual screen experience, and also I don't have an Android based console yet, so Thor kills two birds with one stone for me. I think I'm going to hold on to my Brick for Pico-8 and 8/16 bit stuff, But Brick + Thor covers basically every game I want to play.

It's too bad I have a plastic Brick. Thor + Hammer would have been a perfect fit. 😛

[hushed ridge]

My current plan is to get a Thor Pro then sell it when something with a better DS+3DS screen combo releases

Give me a 1280x960 bottom screen that’s 8/9 the height of the top screen you cowards

And a built-in stylus holder while you’re at it

[kind saffron]

Damn. Now I kinda wanna make this happen 😆

[kind saffron]

I'm sure something will pop. Personally I take black bars over perfect ratio every time if it means OLED vs LCD tho

Just more versatile if you play anything else on it

I imagine there will be times where I play SNES on the bottom screen 😆

[hushed ridge]

It’s not even about black bars, it’s about the two screens being the same height when you play a dual screen game

[kind saffron]

Being able to mod the size yourself isn't that possible?

[mighty obsidian]

Yeah, i was thinking the same.

[kind saffron]

Might end up with black cube instead of black bars but

[mighty obsidian]

Just scale the screens to be the same size.

If you have a black device, the part not being used should not be noticeable.

[kind saffron]

Yeah. Should be doable. Even better if the bot ends up being sensitive to swipe gestures

[hushed ridge]

I want integer scaling on both screens

[kind saffron]

Ah. I mean yeah. It wouldn't be perfect scaling

Just make the top display smaller too 😆

[hushed ridge]

As it stands now, getting both screens to be the same height would make the top screen 4.318x (4 and 7/22) scale and the bottom would be 5x with cutting a few pixels off each side

Do MelonDS and Azahar let you use different upscaling for each screen?

Or would I have to use 4x for both

[frigid shore]

Depends. With "cozy/vibe" games like Animal Crossing or Stardew or games that you're replaying for the xth time and don't need full focus it's kind of nice to catch up on a show or something.

[frigid shore]

I use sticks for basically everything including precision platformers 😅

[frigid shore]

I actually love the button dpad, I have perfect input accuracy since there's 0 chance of accidental diagonals, ahaha.

But that also comes from growing up emulating things and using a keyboard so the idea of rolling buttons to do diagonals comes naturally.

[low lake]

Oh I get that in a way

[cloud aspen]

What’s the price for the gen 2 version again?

[cloud aspen]

Mm that 8gb gen 2

[kind saffron]

Honestly the spread is great. Makes more sense then their o3 spread imo

Guess it would have been nice if they started at 256 and pro was 512

128 kinda meh these days

But with microsd it's not that shocking

[cloud aspen]

It has sd card slot yeah

Ok

[severe kelp]

if your big on just emulation upto ps2, the base 8 gen 2 seems to be the way to go

[kind saffron]

I guess internal is more important if you're running a lot of texture packs and whatnot?

I always thought they could also be on SD but I guess not?

[severe kelp]

if your more into your android games then the 256gb one would be enough

except if your playiing all the gooner Hoyo games lol

[kind saffron]

High res booby packs do take up space

[cloud aspen]

At the moment I’m trying my to decide what kinda device I want 🤣 save some money and get the 467 or ayaneo air mini just to play 16/32bit, this, o3 or Konkr or go alldocube ultra as I could do with a media thing for at work… too many options all out at the same time

[lilac cobalt]

Can’t believe the Thor got me spending x86 money on an android haha

[latent roost]

Okay im going to have to take the L from my opinion earlier here where I said DSi cant be replaced. I went back and tried playing the DSi (last time I seriously played in it was 4.momths ago) and the screen is dreadful. My one isnt actually yellowing its actually pretty bright and vibrant so in good condition. What killed it was when I started playing a game and moving around. The smearing is disgusting. The amount of ghosting compared to modern displays is awful. I think i definitely wont be playing on a DSi anymore. Thor is still a compromise for me for DS due to D Pad position so ill be playing DS on the RG477M for most games. Any game that primarily uses stylus ill use my S23 Ultra with the S Pen. Any game that has continues screen like Sonic Rush ill make the compromise and play with a stick and play with the RG477M sideways with L shoulder input mapped to L3

3DS still cant be replaced though I literally tested emulation on modern sceeen vs my top IPS screen New 3DS XL and I cant give up stereo 3D

[gilded pecan]

this looks incredible, turned out much better than I was expecting

now I'm questioning my choice of color...

[lilac cobalt]

Have you considered

[latent roost]

Yes ive tried it all. I have Switch OLED with Flip Grip too but too much input lag. Tablet i feel its too big and the art style on many games are designed for smaller screen. I did emulation on a Tab S6

[lilac cobalt]

This is an iPad mini

[latent roost]

Im satisfied with the 477M for DS to be honest its very comfortable and most games just have a map or inventory in the 2nd screen which can just be a tiny screen below main screen

[lilac cobalt]

Quite a bit smaller than a s6

[low lake]

i used legion go like that

[latent roost]

I just prefer something more picketable

[lilac cobalt]

Have you tried a dsi xl

[latent roost]

Yes i own one. The one I have must be old its screen more dimmer than my regular DSi and the screen has more of a red tint

[lilac cobalt]

I think for ds for me it’s my favorite. Mine doesn’t have any screen issues

[latent roost]

When i googled many are having the same problem where its much dimmer than a DSi and red tint

Seeing the screen from different angle is definitely better than DSi. And it has less ghosting but I found the brightness and white balance worse than DSi

[lilac cobalt]

Sounds like you have a keen eye / sensitivity to things like that. I’m blissfully unaware / have bad eyes! Lol

It’s not an issue for me

[mighty obsidian]

I've been playing DS on Brick and same. For RPGs or games that use the second screen as a map, one screen is all you need. I feel like the second screen on the Thor is a nice bonus for a device that's otherwise a more powerful RP Flip 2.

[jaunty hull]

Nah. Wrong choice.

[mighty obsidian]

I really do want to hear about ergonomics though. If Thor is especially uncomfortable, I may go for the Odin 2 Mini, or wait to see what Retroid comes out with instead.

[gilded pecan]

I'm testing the RDS addon with the RP Mini lately and I will say that I was surprised to find that the difference in screen size didn't bother me as much as I thought it would in games where the gameplay spans both screens like Sonic Rush

I had honestly a good time playing Sonic Rush with that setup

[lilac cobalt]

That’s why I opted for the grip. I didn’t like the flip2 but a grip fixed everything for me

[olive mortar]

Shut it down. All of it.

[mighty obsidian]

Hmmm, I wonder how much bigger that would make it. Part of the appeal is that it will fit in the pocket on the front of my work bag.

Maybe just use the grip at home if I'm planning to play for a long time?

[low lake]

looks like precursor for onexsugar

[mighty obsidian]

The grip is pretty cheap, that's worth considering.

[frozen laurel]

This is what the OneXSugar looks like IRL

[jaunty hull]

The one x sugar Is leagues worse still

At least the bottom screen on the wing is covered when closed lol

[frozen laurel]

It adds a significant amount to the profile

But like Tas said, it makes it so comfortable

I'm usually anti-grip as well, but this one just feels right

[mighty obsidian]

Oh wow, that’s huge.

No longer really portable.

[low lake]

kinky buttocs

[cloud aspen]

Just get a steam deck bro

[candid inlet]

The more I look at the Thor, the more impressed I am. I am very glad Ayn chose the screen sizes they did. It just looks like what a first party company would have made. Shows restraint with the all around design not going overboard with maximum screen size or outrages specs that wouldn’t provide more performance for the targeted use case.

[low lake]

its basically waht i hoped for "Pocked DS Lite" when Aya announeced their humongous one
and wasnt long to get exactly what i hoped for

[icy atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/true-patrick-spongebob-truth-nuke-gif-15777863855591434629

[errant dome]

that's the play. get the grip for at home play, remove it for "portability"

[candid inlet]

Yeah, some people need screen size above all else due to age, so I get it, but to me personally I can’t imagine a 5” bottom screen being worth how much more cramped it makes the device, functionally and aesthetically. All the buttons are pushed to the edge bc of it and the start and select are at the bottom.

Thor just looks so clean and balanced lol

[low lake]

for me the oled/lcd difference would annoy me way more than the size

and there is only like a dozen of games that extensivally use the bottom screen for actual gameplay to need it this big

i kinda prefer the 3:2 one in Fliop 1s purely out of better usability for the likes of discord and such

[left kiln]

I think the original 3DS and DS both have a 3" bottom screen? And people managed with that. I dont really see any issues

[frozen laurel]

100% this
Just look how bad it is on the Ayaneo

[vapid rain]

OLED makes more of a difference for the bottom screen than having it be a lot bigger.
It's not just for actual gameplay, but also making texts, maps and ui look sharper and clearer

[gentle notch]

Pocket Ds = IPS top, TN bottom

Thor = Dual ips

Honestly though seeing it in action the bigger bottom display of the Pocket ds is kind of winning me over

[mighty obsidian]

That makes sense to me. I was worried about the Brick screen being too small before I bought it, but it is so sharp and bright that everything is easy to see. And the resolution is high enough that you can just set everything as aspect and it all looks good. I have to imagine that an OLED is even better in that regard.

[latent roost]

For me grip kills pocketability

[low lake]

yeah part of why i love they are optional for thor

[latent roost]

I was thinking with Thor killing the Flip 2 with the SD865 model what can Retroid do next

But I think there is a market for D Pad on top and stick below device thats dual screen and in line shoulder buttons for slimmer form factor

[gentle notch]

Maybe a mortgage screen ds dpad top

[vapid rain]

I also think the D1100 model unironically became a great deal now with the price decrease and the 865 Thor existing.
It's the cheapest 16:9 OLED Android handheld on the market if I'm not mistaken

[hybrid mulch]

Add dual screen adapter for thor and makes it triple screen!
DS gameplay and a third screen for pokemon type chart that I still can't remember

[kind saffron]

Whatever Ayn told them to do cause they have the same boss

They probably were happy with initial sales and will pickup whatever stragglers only want a single screen

Could see the flip 3 being a DS which tops out at 3ds too for cheaper

[lilac cobalt]

i would think a single screen flip3 w/ sd 8 g 2 and 6" oled would still be viable. with two upper sticks like flip2

[kind saffron]

Maybe smaller/lighter

[lilac cobalt]

OR, a single screen w/ a touchpad!

[kind saffron]

There's def still room there. I'm sure some people are skipping Thor cause price still

[lilac cobalt]

seriously i would kill for a touchpad lol

[kind saffron]

Haha. True

[vapid rain]

Do we know what chip the G2 Gen 2 is based off btw?

Is it an overclocked 8Gen2?

[icy atlas]

just occurred to me that if i cancel my flip 1s order because of the thor i can literally put a down payment on a subaru sambar like i've always wanted

[gentle notch]

Anbernic should be releasing a budget dual screen fairly soon

[gentle notch]

Handhelds are more important than transportation

[hybrid mulch]

subaru samba

[lilac cobalt]

no, its weaker than 8g2

its likely based on 7 series

nothing has it yet tho so can't be sure

[kind saffron]

Wonder if it can run up to 3ds

Hmmmmm

[lilac cobalt]

@kind saffron it should, its much faster than the 865 lol

[kind saffron]

Seems like a good chip for flip 3 and rp6 then

[lilac cobalt]

for example the 7S gen 3 is about as good as as the SD 8+ gen 1 with better thermals

[vapid rain]

Just being faster than the 865 is a good start.
Drivers shouldn't be too hard to do for it either once we know which chip it's based off

[icy atlas]

using a kei truck to move files over the network

[gritty tusk]

I hope the screen colors are calibrated right for Thor. It helps they are dual oled though but would suck if color repro is different between the two displays

Idk if Android gives ability to calibrate colors, can anyone confirm this?

[ancient torrent]

They probably won't be exact unless maybe it's the same manufacturer? Hopefully not noticeable.

These companies often just use the screens they can get a hold of.

[vapid rain]

Not sure either, but would be nice

Even if most of the time it'd just be a map or something down there, it's just nice to have that cohesion 👌

[ancient torrent]

I don't think there is. Normally it's through the firmware of the screen.

[jolly dune]

The 6 inch oled was apparently custom built for Ayn so hopefully they'll have put in the effort to colour match thing properly.

[ancient torrent]

I know you can do some stuff in android like in the backend. I don't think there's like normal controls for it though.

Yeah we'll see. I'm very interested to see these go to reviewers. Will be cool to see it compared to Pocket DS.

[jolly wadi]

when are thor units gonna be in reviewer hands

[vapid rain]

Sometime this month I heard

[ancient torrent]

Hopefully soon

[tidal peak]

given the fact that this screen is already used in 2 of their latest devices i guess is pretty good otherwise it will utterly destroy their reputation totally

the backlash from the community, the outrage of people choosing odin 3 because oled over konkr will surely kill the company

[jolly dune]

Bit of an over reach there

[upper sail]

I mean he’s not exactly wrong. It’s hopefully not likely that they’d cheap out on the screen when they’re getting it custom manufactured, but if they did do so, and then sold multiple $300+ devices with it…

[left kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/gotem-gif-18695498

[candid inlet]

The 7 gen 2 was so good that Qualcomm had to nerf the successor, 7 gen 3, to make the 8 series stand out more. I hope we see some 7 gen 2 devices.

[lilac cobalt]

i wonder if the g2 gen2 is based on the 7 gen 2

[upper sail]

Yeah, it’s unlikely to be the case since, honestly, this would have to be a really bad screen to actually make people go “man, this wasn’t worth it”. But given the anticipation and built-up hype Ayn’s already got, them fucking up in any notably severe way could end up being their own “RP Mini screen” scenario.

[left kiln]

I have faith that the screen will be good. If its anything like the one in the Portal it will be amazing

[upper sail]

This, of course, could also just lead to them succeeding and satisfying that hype, which would lead to them getting an even better rep. So hopefully they do well.

[round quest]

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-gif-804764764030817525

[lilac cobalt]

not very Christian of you lol

[cloud aspen]

When is it due to be shipped? And review units September?

[left kiln]

Shipping mid October. Review units mid September

[round quest]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-majima-cry-sad-hospital-gif-27037968

[crude tulip]

so I will get my KONKR before THOR insanity

[hybrid mulch]

Its alphabetical order

[lilac cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/sinful-wicked-redemption-god-repent-gif-17138851496905303926

[jaunty hull]

will you? lol

doesnt that require Ayaneo to ship on time at all?

[crude tulip]

My order number is so low, if I ain't in the first batch I will riot

[low lake]

doubtfull

they are still shipping pocket s2, flip1s, ace, and probably few others

so maybe if you ordered top sku day 1

[devout forge]

well said

we'll probably see a retroid pocket flip 3 with dpad on top

so with enough wait we should have a true ds replacement

[jolly dune]

Pocket flip 3 with 2 screens!!!!

[mighty obsidian]

On old 3DS, my 3D slider was set to off at all times. On new 3DS, I sometimes turn it on to see how the game looks. I'm prone to migraines though, so I usually turn it back off anyway. I will not especially miss it.

I can appreciate that it's more valuable to others.

[nocturne osprey]

wait they're shipped in batches? man this is not arriving until 2026 for me huh 🤣

[crude tulip]

I mean yeah, sometimes a batch can be a whooping single device

[ornate dune]

Oh man those h shop download speeds

[tidal peak]

this is my take also, having 2 hyped devices with a faulty oled will create a backlash greater than retroid mini v2 and will probably make future devices unappealing

[left kiln]

It wouldnt be a good look for sure

[jaunty hull]

not horrible if you dont have plans lol. but thats gonna be nice about the Thor. FTP the games on the system in the background while still being able to play the system lol

[jaunty hull]

even worse for them if the thor ships with faulty bad looking screens and then ppl start canceling their Odin 3s on top of it. lol

[grand spoke]

Dual IPS is the way

[mighty obsidian]

My N3DS has IPS on top only. But I haven't really noticed the bottom screen looking worse, since it's usually a map or whatever.

[honest slate]

Dual OLEDs will become the way 🙏

[winter roost]

Mine has bottom only... 🙁

[frozen laurel]

Honestly unless it's side by side, the TN screen is fine. Besides internet glory/ a higher resale value the screens are very comparable. Who plays their 3ds at the angle where the IPS screen actually makes a difference

(IPS top & TN bottom here)

[upper sail]

Pretty much, I’ve got an IPS on the bottom and TN on top, the bottom screen unironically doesn’t look any better to me, even when deliberately playing stuff like SNES games on it.

[jolly dune]

Ive a dual IPS too. Still prefer using a new 2dsxl

Ips on the new 3ds xl is way overhyped for what it is

[mighty obsidian]

What do you prefer about the 2DSXL?

[jolly dune]

Comfort mainly

[errant dome]

I've never seen an IPS 3ds. Still can't look at my TN 3ds in 2025. My eyes are too used to OLED or at least HQ LCD displays

Good on y'all that don't mind but strongly disagree with the TN propaganda

[whole linden]

Azahar v0.0.2 is out now!

This update improves how the app handles multiple displays and screen layouts, especially on dual-screen devices like the Ayaneo Pocket DS

What’s new:

Introduced DisplayHelper to handle which screen is active and where to send touch input
Touch input is now routed only to the screen showing the 3DS bottom screen
Launching from internal or external screen now works properly
Cleaner presentation management
This improves the dual-screen experience for emulators running on handhelds and HDMI displays.

Tested successfully on the Ayaneo Pocket DS.

Special thanks to retrogamecorps for his support and testing during development!

Download:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/azahar/releases/tag/0.0.2

[wispy fjord]

Appreciate your hard work as always! Hope to see this integrated in main Azahar soon so everyone knows where to find it.

[upper sail]

It’s less TN propaganda and more us saying “bruh, the IPs screens used in the New 3DS XL weren’t even all that much better than the TN screens, they just had better viewing angles at best”.

Like, those things are no where near as “amazingly better” as people make them out to be.

[errant dome]

It's the fomo of knowing you could have a better screen, but lost the Nintendo lottery

Even if it's 1% better

Also, the real hardware market is still way bigger than this one. People love Nintendo products. Knowing a difference exists, people will demand the better product and resellers will price accordingly

[lilac cobalt]

For me it doesn’t make much difference since you want to be in front of it for the 3d effect lol

[upper sail]

Exactly my point. Don’t fall for the IPS propaganda, it’s unironically just as “good/bad” as TN in the ways that actually matter.

[jaunty hull]

someone tried to argue with me a while back that the thor and pocket ds would cause actual 3DS prices to drop lol

[rare rampart]

I don't......

Wat

[errant dome]

i was a part of that convo, on the side of "nah"

[rare rampart]

Most people probably don't even know these devices exist

I know I didn't until after I had brought a 3DS

It was literally random moment of "Oh yeah aren't emulators a thing?"

[sand sundial]

I have known about these retro emulation handhelds for years, I don't have a 3ds or plan on getting a Thor tho 😅

[rare rampart]

In my experience when you think emulation handheld most people think phone.

At least that was until the Steam Deck

[jaunty hull]

most ppl dont even know what emulation is.

[errant dome]

i used to download snes roms for hours on dial up to play on zsnes

https://tenor.com/view/what-can-i-say-gif-17771939475249688248

[jaunty hull]

I remember those days lol

[ornate dune]

😲 um, are you guys admitting to crimes?!

[errant dome]

statute of limitations

I have never even sniffed a rom since

[ornate dune]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-5752975

[jaunty hull]

nah totally not. I just said I remember those days, not that it used to take like 5-10 mins to download a GBA rom on dial up.
and shadow star probably meant they were downloading roms over the network from their own server 😛

[icy atlas]

I own unregistered machine guns

[jolly dune]

I use a VPN to bypass age verification in the UK.

[errant dome]

I tear off the tag from mattresses

[ornate dune]

https://tenor.com/view/randall-recess-snitch-gif-9625258

[jaunty hull]

I go out the entrance sliding door at walmart bcz its faster. they'll never take me alive.

[dark aurora]

OIII you got a permit for that?

[nocturne osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kana-tapping-sit-here-miss-kobayashis-dragon-maid-anime-gif-17683447

[elder wing]

[honest slate]

Finally, a dpad where I want it

[elder wing]

Ooops all D-pad

[devout forge]

https://tenor.com/view/giveittome-gif-21927068

[hybrid mulch]

boys be boys

[fluid cloak]

The few times anybody has asked me that wasn't one of my friends has been an astounded "what the heck is THAT"

I will say i think they got a tad bit more mainstream since back then

Coverage from larger channels, and sleeker more marketable design language to go along with it

I had a good few friends notice without me shoving it in their face when the RP5 was coming out

[flint pumice]

I didn't know about retro handhelds until 34xx came out and I just wanted to play GBA but modded GBA are too expensive. So I expect similar things will happen to folks who wanted to play 3ds and found out they are crazily expensive and look for other ways to play

You can see for example this post about pocket ds and Thor on r/3ds getting a lot of attentions: https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/s/ded13CPSxD

But I don't think it will drive down 3ds prices

[gilded pecan]

this guy knows what's up

[wheat creek]

stylus comes first

[vapid rain]

^

[wheat creek]

I still main a tn screen for my main gaming monitor

[gentle notch]

3d effect isn't worth it, just hurt my eyes tbh

[nocturne osprey]

good, people need to move on from the 3DS

[wheat creek]

deep blacks and colors just not something I personally care about, just motion clarity and ghosting

[rare rampart]

Why is that?

[vapid rain]

Hardware specs are just very outdated by today’s standards

[rare rampart]

Oh that is what you meant

[vapid rain]

I’m keeping my New 2DS when I get my Thor, but won’t use the 2ds anymore once I do

[nocturne osprey]

I'm not the type of guy to trash old hardware if they work perfectly fine (I used to own a GameBoy Colour and Advance and still have a DSi), but the hardware is just so lacklustre nowadays that I don't think people should use them if there are more modern alternatives

my eyes get destroyed every time I open my DSi for extended periods of time

[flint pumice]

I like original hardware due to nostalgia. I won’t sell them even if there are better ways to play the games on them. But I find it insane that people are paying $200-300 to get a used 3DS. Thats more expensive than when they were new

[gilded pecan]

I paid $600 for a new, sealed vita a couple years ago

(granted I have problems)

[flint pumice]

Sealed consoles / games are entirely different beasts

I have seen ridiculous posts on reddits about people selling poor condition 3DS for $200.

Does anyone know what caused the 3DS prices to go up that much?

According to this website my pikachu yellow worth 450+ https://www.pricecharting.com/game/nintendo-3ds/new-nintendo-3ds-xl-pikachu-yellow-edition

In fact $679 because I still have the box and the instruction manuals etc

Crazy

[mighty obsidian]

Retro game prices went way up during the Pandemic, because people were stuck inside. Plus, 3DS was just old enough around that time and it can emulate most earlier Nintendo systems so it generated a lot of interest. Plus the web store closed a couple of years back and that generated some interest too. All of that together made it in demand.

Prices tend to go up quickly and decline slowly, so we're still seeing the effects of those events.

[devout forge]

Have you used an og model or a "new" model 3ds?

[gentle notch]

Ik the new 3ds has better tracking but even then I've never liked using it for very long

[devout forge]

I've tried out 3d on both generations before

3d on the original 3ds was horrible, you have to keep you head completely still

and even then it was often blurry

however on the new 3ds is was pretty incredible

after 30-40 minutes it is recommended to turn it off though cause it is able to cause dizziness or nausa, but as long as you know you wont be playing for hours it is an incredible experience

[vast ibex]

On New 3DS it was fine, it worked and I didn't have to keep my head and device at the exact right angles. However I think the 3D just never impressed me.

Don't know if it was just me having bad eyes/depth perception, or if it's just not something that I didn't care for.

Even with something like Super Mario 3D Land, it barely felt like it did much.

[devout forge]

also yeah I've tried playing with the 3d in a car before and the car exalerated the side effects by a lot, I was instantly feeling sick after 5-7 minutes

[devout forge]

Yeah, it is definitely a personal preference, but people who never used the 3ds might be missing out on something they didn't know they were missing out on in the first place cause it isn't something that can be showed in a video

kinda like those ar goggles that make a tv in front of you

I've seen people who absolutely hated it even on new models and people who absolutely loved it

[wheat creek]

it's really lackluster, I think especially now where people experienced vr devices and ar glasses

[snow palm]

i thought the 3d was cool when it came out but sometimes struggled seeing it. but since im using vr alot often latley my eyes got more adjusted to it maybe and seeing the effect even on an original 3ds goes very well and it looks pretty cool.

[frozen laurel]

I would really like to try 3ds games in VR

With the 3D turned on

[candid inlet]

Do we know if the dpad or buttons are the same as the ones in the portal yet?

[snow palm]

you really should, there are like mods for like having like a 180 degree view and even like mods for some games that make them into vr experiences.

[fading anvil]

I had an og 3ds growing up and the 3d hurt my head lol

[errant dome]

people were also getting that free government stimmy money and spent it on dumb shit and raised the top end of the market, now were stuck with that price. nothing a good ol' recession wont fix

[devout forge]

og 3ds 3d is horrible

[fading anvil]

yep

[snow palm]

I feel it depends on how adjusted your eyes are for it personally.

but breaks it for me is more so the resolution, like the effect is cool but the resolution is still non existent

[devout forge]

the low resolution honestly didn't bother me that much

it was pleasantly chunky

the problem was more so how low of a quality the screen is

it is very outdated

[errant dome]

It's funny. Low res doesn't bother me for old 3d like PS1 and Saturn. Even regular DS. But for stuff like 3ds and PSP, not a fan of pixelation

[jolly dune]

Back in my day your game boy didnt even have a backlight! You had to wait for streetlights to momentarily brighten the screen when catching lugia!

[errant dome]

And they just look so good at 4x. Like 3d land, Mario kart, smash, all look amazing upscaled

Like they were meant to be

[jolly dune]

Yup just played through pokemon y on my fold 6 at a 4x upscale. Even with some odd low res 2d textures it looks amazing

[devout forge]

once the gba sp 101 released was there even a reason to use a gameboy color anymore?

[jolly dune]

I only ever had the 001. Never had a gba

[nocturne osprey]

it looks crazy even at 3x lol

[errant dome]

The texture packs we can use now even make some games look like hd2d remakes. Radiant historia 3ds looks so good with the texture pack.

[jolly dune]

Sorry miss read that yeah once I got the sp 001 my gb color went in a box. I did mod it last year with a funny playing oled screen tho. Looks soo good

[jaunty hull]

ah you sharing my edits? lol

[low lake]

yes i had to forward this one lol

[jaunty hull]

ngl, I still prefer the one that only replaced the left stick with a 2nd d-pad lol.

or the monkey paw one where someone wanted dpad top. so they got dpad top, but then replaced the left stick with the N3DS Nipple lol

[prisma bay]

any consensus on 4px vs dhl for united states? tariffs/speed etc etc

think I ordered dhl on my rp5 but that was a while back

[marsh pagoda]

While watching Russ video on the Pocket DS, I was wondering how equally cramped will be the Thor controls... I don't want to spend so much money on a device with so much power and play on it only DS/3DS games...

[low lake]

then juat get the sd865 thor

[rare rampart]

Yeah I think that is going to be a issue

[tidal peak]

it is you choice what you play on it, use it as a flip2 clamshell if you want.

the controls on dual screen will always suffer unless they do a comparable small bottom screen so they have more space but then people will complain is too small. keep in mind that Thor has a grip option that flares the hands a bit and will help with holding, pocket ds already has ergonomic handles so i don't know if grip is feasible

[jaunty hull]

then dont buy one. the ergonomics are going to be basically the same. control wise. arguably worse bcz no actual ergo grips. its going to have 3DS ergonomics.

[lilac cobalt]

tpu grip would likely solve any issues.

or 3d printed grip. solved it for me on the flip2

its nice that you have options

[jaunty hull]

it will help but not as much. the flip 2 has the sticks and buttons/dpad offcenter from eachother. which is more ergonomic.

it makes a big difference.

[lilac cobalt]

ergonomics are personal and you kind of dont know till you try it

[rare rampart]

^

But you can usually get a good idea

[lilac cobalt]

for example, i use this for hours

[marsh pagoda]

The fact is that I've indeed never been bothered by the ergonomics of my New 3DS XL (that I sadly sold... what a mistake 🙁 )

[wispy fjord]

I just wish the Thor had two more buttons, maybe past L1/R1 like how the n3DS did LZ/RZ for programming.

It'd be nice for systems like PS2 that use all the modern buttons when you wanna save state or fastforward without needing to make a combo.

[gilded pecan]

they are not, confirmed on discord

[supple mason]

yeah its a nice bonus, I use those back buttons on my odin 2 for things like that.
pocket DS does have those extra buttons, shame Ayn didn't do the same

[wispy fjord]

Yeah, exactly. It's the only thing I prefer in the Pocket DS over the Thor at this point. Otherwise it's too big and expensive for me, lol.

[lilac cobalt]

yeah im in the same boat.

too heavy, too expensive.

[jaunty hull]

agreed. except pending one other detail

Ayaneo showed off their software a while back and its looked solid.

AYN hasnt and thats a concern.

[snow palm]

Pocked ds from the videos looks great hope thor can join the greatness

[jaunty hull]

but we hopefully should see it tomorrow

[left kiln]

They're showing it tomorrow

[jaunty hull]

if it matches the photos shown. it should be fine. but I still feel like Ayaneo's software might be better.

[rare rampart]

Oh yeah the software is definitely looking good for ayaneo

[jaunty hull]

thats like the best looking thing on the pocket ds.

[wispy fjord]

Yeah, if the software they show tomorrow is decent, I'm perfectly content. Just that one little thing I'd've liked more. Maybe a Thor 2 in a few years.

[jaunty hull]

if its not as good as ayaneo. thats still fine. just pls be better than the RP DS setup. lol

[wispy fjord]

I'm sure it'll be better than that lmfao

[jaunty hull]

just hoping for the uh...I forget the name of it....

where you lock the controls to keep working with one screen regardless of touching the other screen.

[wispy fjord]

Oh, yeah, that'd be neat

Focus or whatnot

[jaunty hull]

that and hopefully both of them work on a volume mixer control.

[upper sail]

Oh, TechDweeb already showed that the Pocket DS has one built in.

[wispy fjord]

Oh, did Russ not find it?

[jaunty hull]

russ didnt find the focus lock.

[wispy fjord]

He did, though.

He was pointing it out in his video.

The volume mixer, I meant.

[jaunty hull]

russ was scrolling a guide bot screen, then had to tap top screen to get the controller working again.

so he definitely didnt find focus lock

[wispy fjord]

I mean, doesn't focus lock prevent accidental touches?

I was under the impression it would keep you from scrolling the guide in the first place

[upper sail]

I guess not? I was already gonna ask him if he saw anything related to Contrast/Saturation controls for each independent screen.

[left kiln]

He literally talked through it in his video

[upper sail]

I guess he just didn’t spend much time in the AyaSettings?

[wispy fjord]

Volume mixer in the Pocket DS gives me hope for the Thor, at least

[tidal peak]

where was the volume mixer? techdweeb fiddled with the equalizer to change the sound profile, that is not a volume mixer

[gilded pecan]

give the man a break, he had the device for 24 hours, and half of those were probably filming/editing

[hot holly]

Damn, still no hands on with it, guess they didn't send out any reviewer early models, that's pretty weird

[tidal peak]

a volume mixer should have multiple sliders related to the sources of sounds and you can adjust those, like some games have a slider for master sound but then you have a slider for each sounds, music, speech and you can mute only the music

so in our case, if you play a game and watch a youtube video you might want to put the game at 30% and the video at 60%

[left kiln]

Theyre due to go out in the middle of September

[upper sail]

Not blaming him at all, it being a first impressions video is the whole reason why I’m saying he likely just didn’t notice it.

[tidal peak]

i guess Russ made a marathon to put out the 40min video, that is a lot of work in such a short time

the pressure is real and i hope he doesn't burn out or the family doesn't suffer

[gilded pecan]

he never talks much about it but one does get a sense that he does work his ass off

[tidal peak]

he said that when he sees a new device that he will probably wants to review that it means at least 40h of work

[jaunty hull]

cant tell if you are being purposefully ignorant or not they said review units are going out mid september already.

[tidal peak]

people are growing easily impatient and they become very annoying

[jaunty hull]

they are.

[hot holly]

"purposefully ignorant"
-states sometimes that makes me right after

[tidal peak]

they usually unknowingly put pressure on manufacturers and content creators with their demands

[hot holly]

"omg the poor content creators and manufacturers have to... post something and record a 5 minute video" can we stop with the infantilism

[wintry prairie]

dang the Pocket DS looks HUGE

i know the dimensions of both devices but i'm very interested in seeing how the Thor compares on video

[hot holly]

I'm just surprised they didn't send review units out earlier

Which is normal for other companies to do better

[upper sail]

No shit, its also not exclusive to this stuff either. We’re already getting people saying “so mortgage screen when?” Even though Retroid already said it would be a year minimum for it to be even close to ready when they first announced it in March.

[hot holly]

AyaNeo defence force meanwhile start insulting me

[tidal peak]

Ayn said they will send middle of september, were not there yet

[hot holly]

Not aware of this stuff, mortgage screen?

[upper sail]

…Did you get confused by the company names?

[gentle notch]

Ngl would've preferred a bigger 4:3 ips on the bottom of the thor instead of the LG wing screen

If I had to choose

[hot holly]

Oops, no I was talking about the Konker Pocket somewhere else, so Ayn autocorrected

[gilded pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-thats-me-david-noury-always-jane-there-i-am-its-me-gif-23770296

[jaunty hull]

they really dont have to do that just to appease whiny entitled babies.

[left kiln]

They said from the start mid September tbf

[tidal peak]

hardware takes time, if you look at their timeline, the odin3 was conceptualized in dec 2024, so they will come full circle, 1 year from concept to actual device shipped

[upper sail]

Also wtf he talking about “5 minute video”? It’s over 40 minutes and fully edited, that shit takes effort to make.

[tidal peak]

and these companies ship pretty good devices from a quality standpoint, no cheap shit like powekiddy

he's refering to ayn not filming a 5 min video to satisfy impatient customers

i guess they are not ready with software, better to postpone than show a half assed version that everybody mistakes for final and cancellations occur

[gentle notch]

Ah the retroid dual screen approach

[upper sail]

I feel like the Retroid Dual Screen is the exact reason they would want to be extra careful before sharing anything.

[tidal peak]

polishing software takes an incredible amount of time

[gilded pecan]

from everything we have seen so far they are on schedule

like they are not being any faster or slower than every other AYN launch before

[left kiln]

Exactly. I want to see videos as much as everyone else but just have some patience 😅

[jaunty hull]

Imho it seems at least semi rushed as is.

just to get to pre-orders to catch a bigger portion of customers to spite ayaneo. so Im not surprised that they havent had much to show yet for that exact reason.

[olive mortar]

What are we supposed to do in the meantime? Use the handhelds we already own? To play video games??

[tidal peak]

ayn never excelled at showcasing the device pre shipping

[jaunty hull]

OBV NOT. nobody plays games with their handhelds.

[left kiln]

Now you're just talking crazy 🤪

[jaunty hull]

all we do is tinker and set them up and never use them.

[tidal peak]

the more android devices you buy the more time to thinker

dual screen? you will have 2 desktops to adjust to perfection

[gilded pecan]

I play with them but never set them up fully

how's that for a power move

[jaunty hull]

define "never set them up fully"
like if you are just running stock launcher, launcing the emulators. thats crazy.

[upper sail]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-old-school-dart-gif-3885730

[gilded pecan]

yup, that's me

[jaunty hull]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-jail-jail-parks-and-rec-right-away-fred-armisen-gif-16902115

I cant wait to have to watch a guide to figure out how to set up retroarch again bcz whoever programmed it is literally satan himself....lol

[left kiln]

RA - A great tool you dread to use

[jaunty hull]

dread to set up. its good when you got it running but fuck me....

[gentle notch]

I feel like with retroarch I'm always setting something up

[jaunty hull]

the menus are abysmal to navigate and saving any settings is a pain in the ass.

[left kiln]

Yeah its great once its done but I always hate setting it up on new devices. I always leave that one until last 🤣

[hot holly]

''youre a whiny entitled baby if you have higher standards than me'' ngmi

[jaunty hull]

is that clown still crying about ayn not giving them their preview videos when they want them?

[jaunty hull]

always glad when theres a standalone to use instead lol.

[lilac cobalt]

same. sometimes i dont even get to it before i sell the device 😉

that said most of my retro emulation is done on linux which is already set up

[jaunty hull]

linux devices are great for that reason but I generally dont mind all the setup. its kinda my fave part. just a pain with how retroarch does it compared to everything else lol

[upper sail]

Same here, and in all honesty I usually just end up having to set up Retroarch myself regardless since the settings I usually like or even outright need (like forcing ntsc for PlayStation) aren’t the defaults or are flat out just not done on any Linux handhelds.

If anything, I actively prefer having to start from scratch for Android, since it makes it that much easier to set things up the way I want as opposed to having to figure out dumb workarounds for whatever the Linux cfw has as the default.

[prisma bay]

wonder if ES-DE or any of these are going to be worth setting up on one of these or if someone is going to come up with a dual screen front end

[jaunty hull]

yeah. that way you know things are set up how you wanted and dont have to go digging around after the fact to fix things.

[jaunty hull]

IMHO. it depends.

we dont know yet. but it might require the base launcher to function correctly. but you might be able to then load a frontend manually. onto the top screen and that should work for most games. but im not sure if it will handle DS/3DS dual screen support correctly. we will have to see.

[prisma bay]

yeah really curious how all this will fit together

[jaunty hull]

just my guess. and then maybe later we could see DS support added to launchers but....thats less likely imho.

[upper sail]

I cannot understate how much I despise when a firmware goes the “Batocera” Route of making their overrides built into the firmware and having the “retroarch default” as said overrides, meaning you’d have to figure out a way to disable them just to get the settings you want.

[jaunty hull]

its a lot of unknowns that we are just speculating on rn.

[wispy fjord]

I just want Gamehub to work again... I was playing my GotM on it...

[upper sail]

I had to go through so much bullshit work just to finally get Digimon World 2003 with the 60hz patch working properly, only for an update that was meant to “make it easier for users to modify the stock overrides” to instead break my set-up and make me have to start from scratch…

[jaunty hull]

consider playing a better digimon game next time 😛

[olive mortar]

I find that app equal parts fascinating and equal parts frustrating.

[jaunty hull]

Im impressed at how quick gamehub is actually seeming to progress.

[olive mortar]

Getting a game to run feels amazing. Not getting a game to run with no idea what the problem is IS VERY FUN

It's weird how much frustration we're willing to tackle for this hobby. Imagine someone into music having to figure out what drivers their record player needs to play music.

[gentle notch]

Yes getting games to run is a game in of itself

[upper sail]

Oh that’s just one example, I’m avoiding saying anything else just because if I got started on that, I’d be intentionally making a wall of text at least 3 times larger than the biggest I’ve ever accidentally made.

[jaunty hull]

im just messing with u anyways lol.

[olive mortar]

The newest frontier.

[jaunty hull]

tbh thats the fun part of these handhelds is getting things to run lol

[gentle notch]

I think I've kind of burned myself out of winlator though tbh, at least for anything that's not a lightweight or indie game

[jaunty hull]

afaik tho. at least 1 game I plan on playing does work totally fine but we'll see if updates break that b4 then lol

[jaunty hull]

thats 95% of what I want to mess with winlator/gamehub for. and some older titles anyways.

[upper sail]

“Yo, I heard you liked games dawg. So we made setting up those games a game in of itself, that way you can game while trying to game.”

[jaunty hull]

literally I want a device the size of an odin/loki to play PC indie games lol

if gamehub works as a replacement for that need. we chillin. lol

[mighty obsidian]

The menus are so confusing. I’ve been playing on MinUI lately, and it’s going to be hard to go back.

[vapid rain]

Luckily only has to be set-up once when you get an Android handheld.
You can also make it look a lot more simple/intuitive by changing the theming of it.
Changing it to XMB like Russ suggests in his Android set-up video makes it more manageable

[mighty obsidian]

I’ll check out that video.

My only experience was using it on Vita, and it’s pretty rough there.

[gilded pecan]

we have Thor at home

[jaunty hull]

it only helps so much the menus still suck to navigate and its still laid out poorly. but russ's vid is perfect for getting through the hell that is setting it up every time lol

[vapid rain]

Anything that makes it suck even just a bit less is appreciated.
But yeah, I’m very grateful to Russ making that video

I’m rewatching the RA portion when I get a controller grip for my old Android phone so I can set-up the controls/hotkeys

[lilac cobalt]

that looks pretty good!

[severe kelp]

i always stand by this, great software can elevate bad hardware

bad software can bring down great hardware

case in point, today's AAA games and the current GPU hardware

today's are actually pretty fucking good, it's just that devs now are either lazy

or UE5 is just a bunch of mess right now with little to no documentation on how use it properly

[lilac cobalt]

onionOS + miyoo mini

or spruce + miyoo flip

i know its a hot take but i love my miyoo flip

[mighty obsidian]

That does seem like the best system for the second screen. It’s too bad it needs a big cord & looks kind of janky from the back. But, if you already have a Retroid Pocket Mini, the dual screen is an amazing deal.

[main basin]

People said most game devs didn't know how to use the PS3 hardware properly... but honestly it just had a really weird design, like they were hoping it would take dedicated developers years to understand thus the late-system games would be better looking than launch titles 😂

[gilded pecan]

it doesn't just look good, it plays good

I can confidently say that the Thor is gonna be lit

[winter roost]

Same here, except for putting pokemon in my bank

[winter roost]

Micro Mages for NES is a great example of that.

[jaunty hull]

its not always the devs, more often the publishers pushing out incomplete games. and not having any leads making good games but forcing them to push out sequel bait slop.

thats why lots of small studios are doing so well rn.

they dont have these forced constraints on what they make.

[sand sundial]

how goes the wait for the thor?

[tidal peak]

this combination shows that thor's display combo will do just fine for dual screen systems

[sand sundial]

I don't feel the need to have a second screen myself, still wonder how the thor will turn out

[latent roost]

Thors top screen is bigger though so for DS games that have 1 continous screen between both screens you would need to have black bars all around the top screen

[latent roost]

I think its best to wait a year or 2 as dual screens will be going through a Beta phase. Software and hardware wise.

Im sure in a year or 2 we will have all sorts of options. Dual 120hz, D Pad on top, dual 4:3, dual 16:9, smaller thinner profile, 5.5 inch top screen etc. Also by then Wii U emulation should improve and Gamehub and Switch emulation will get better. This is why im sitting this upgrade out

[low lake]

yeah lckily there is only like dozen of worthwile ones that use 1 continuous screen... half of which are two specific IPs

[tidal peak]

black bars on oled are not distracting, and there's no rule on saying you can't have top screen larger in ds except a few games that need to have perfect vertical continuity

[low lake]

some people even stretch and dont see it as weird 😄

[latent roost]

Agree with this its only a few DS games that have a continous screen and black bars isnt a huge deal either

[wispy fjord]

Yeah, it's what, Dragon Quest remakes, Sonic Rush... some cutscenes in various games that don't translate to actual gameplay.

[sand sundial]

I am waiting on a better stronger retroid flip 2 like devise

I want better thermals and ergonomics more then a second screen that can be a hassle sometimes anyway

[orchid haven]

there's supposedly a video on the AYN thor coming out soon right?

tomorrow?

[left kiln]

It should be coming any time now

[wispy fjord]

https://youtu.be/I7EId4BR4e4

[last condor]

new footage looks good

that ds bottom screen was stretched though

but

it looks good

im very much interested in the thor now

so long as it has a good hinge

[left kiln]

The software looks great. It has all the functions I could want

[wispy fjord]

Audio mixer and it'll be perfect

[cyan verge]

Is it just me but gap between screens looks huge would like to see what games that use both screens eg sonic rush look like .

[latent roost]

Sorry that D Pad is even lower than New 3DS XL. It would be a stretch to use D Pad and L and R2 buttons. 2D games are basically unpayable on this. Even dual stick games will be uncomfortable as stretching for right stick and R1 and R2 will be uncomfortable. Only types of games that would be comfortable are games that mainly use left stick and face buttons so a lot of Wii, PS2 and GC games

[latent roost]

Looks about the same as the 3DS

[low lake]

i mean thats simple 10s change in the emulator

[last condor]

oh obviously

just moreso wanna see what it looks like properly scaled, yk?

[left kiln]

I think the 3DS game wasn't stretched. You can see a little black bar at the bottom

[ornate dune]

The high temps shown in the video are not correct

[left kiln]

That should be the same for DS on the bottom right?

[last condor]

yeye, its why i said DS dw

[crude tulip]

Sonic Rush will kinda be shit on this, as the top screen does 4.9" 4:3 while the bottom one is 3.7" 4:3

[orchid haven]

it looks GOOD

yeah i'm gonna have to get this by the end of the year

[ornate dune]

Yeah, I'm wondering if we can like get the top screen to be the same size as the bottom, and then drop it all the way down to the bottom, giving us black bars on the left, top, and right, like how the OG 3DS looks

[low lake]

Easily, you can set the layout however you want in melonds

[elder wing]

This actually looks nice! Probably set on getting black since while the rainbow looks nice, I wanna those black bars to blend in seamlessly

[rocky sinew]

Video does look good, the size especially

[mighty obsidian]

That does look concerning. The N3DSXL d-pad is about mid-way up, and the Thor one is a lot closer to the bottom. I’ll be interested in hands-on impressions.

[crude tulip]

looks about the same to me, but just like with the 3DS this won't be a comfortable thing to use, obviously

[olive mortar]

Mh, I don't know. This made me realise how much smaller the bottom screen is. Don't think something like Hotel Dusk will be fun to play on this.

[left kiln]

Isn't the bottom screen bigger than the og DS and 3DS?

[low lake]

luckily there is a grip

[elder wing]

Closer to DSi XL size

[snow palm]

I looked up hotel dusk, and i guess the reason it might not be fun is because of how the screens are used in the game

[latent roost]

The Thor is slightly taller than a New 3DS XL. And the D Pad is definitely slightly lower. The combination of overall device being taller and D pad being lower will definitely impact comfort. It makes me question is comfortable worth sacrificing for occasional DS and 3DS games especially a large 6inch screen has enough space to add the 2nd screen for basic menus and inventory and maps which are majority of 3DS and DS games

[left kiln]

Yeah its kind of between the normal and XL devices

[snow palm]

Im playing with the idea of upgrading from the lite but honestly i only care about (3)ds and some indies like silksong which seems to be running fine on the lite. The only change i could see is that it can hit 120fps on a better chip

[low lake]

tbh i would probably play something like that on widescreen instead using dualscreen device sideways

but ultimately not my kind of genre so

[snow palm]

Never played it but it looks fun.