2025 XU Product Slate

[bronze yew]

actually releasing something may help with not making a loss with the handheld devision tho, we have seen some neat stuff from MagicX/XU we all badly wanted to buy and it never came into existence

[frigid condor]

wasn’t the zero 40 a best seller

[solemn pumice]

maybe compared to the xu mini m which had a terrible launch

[fringe cedar]

What is going on here, have I just woken up to the Dream 1 being rug-pulled?

Has @tawny swan argued it out of existence?

And all these charts, graphs and tables...

[woven shell]

just more schizophrenia i think

[glad oriole]

Dream 40 first edition case

Physical originals will be ready for samples by mid-next month

[jolly kettle]

He's saying G310, not G31

[bronze yew]

I like the big speaker grills on the RP2S visually more, but very solid design nevetheless

Are they pretty much the same hight @glad oriole?

[glad oriole]

Dream 1 Short 2mm

[pine current]

Happy to see front firing speakers. looking good.

[vagrant iris]

I like the design much more than competitors

[bronze yew]

Should be comfortable then 👍

[dire ivy]

i know. everyone keeps talking about the wrong soc though

[jolly kettle]

Aha

[dire ivy]

each version of x5 has a slightly different gpu, cpu, and cache layout, just like each version of x4, because amlogic is full of nutters

[tawny swan]

wtf, 2s v2 😄

[burnt current]

Pardon my asking Luna, but is there no more room for the sticks to be moved closer to the screen?

[tawny swan]

nah everything fine

with dream 40/50 (1 get name)

[fringe cedar]

Why would you even want that? It looks fine as is, not too cramped, not too spread out

[stoic plaza]

Looks like it is positioned to be comfortable enough and not inline with the buttons up top.

[burnt current]

I'm just thinking that with a sticks on bottom layout, the further pushed in the sticks are, usually the comfier they are to use

This is the main reason why people find the RP Mini significantly more comfortable than the RP5

I guess it's not as big of a deal with a candy bar design though

RP5's ergo bumps ironically make it a bit harder to use the sticks

[bronze yew]

that's why I am flat slab supremacist
fuck those ergo bumps that make secondary controls unusable

[glad oriole]

The 2S screen cable glass is at the bottom, and the Dream 40/50 screen cable is on the left.

[burnt current]

Ahh

So there really is no extra space

[fiery panther]

Is the one on top a Retroid?

[burnt current]

Yeah

RP2S

[tawny swan]

yup legendary 2s

[fiery panther]

Cool

The Zero 28 is like mini version of that lol

That one didn't had touch right

[sacred cedar]

https://youtu.be/MA_kUu0Y35A

[fringe cedar]

Amen brother. Not much turns me off from a handheld more than some nasty ergo-tumours

[solemn pumice]

any idea on the button size, will they be as big as on the xu20?

[glad oriole]

The direction keys and ABXY keys have the same dimensions as the XU20.

[solemn pumice]

that's great to know, thanks luna

[burnt current]

No problem there

[fiery panther]

I prefer big face buttons instead of what the Zero 28 had

[glad oriole]

Dream 40and50

[bronze yew]

very nice, hope we will see working units soon

any info regarding what colors you guys doing or do you seriously intend to stick with the horrid combinations you have shown us, like transparent black with tacky orange buttons?

[glad oriole]

The progress of Dream 4050 depends on the pre-sale situation of One35.

[burnt current]

Oh damn

[dry sierra]

dream 50 is 720p right?

I feel like in that case the dream 40 is obviously a better choice unless the dream 50 is 1080p

doesn't integerscale psp which is okay I guess for most of the library since lot of it was 3d, gba integerscaled is going to be the same size between the 40 and 50

the only system that I can see benefiting from the 720p widescreen is wonderswan

and android games

so yeah it's okay as a trimui smart pro competitor obviously but It definitely doesn't make as much sense as the 40 if we truly asume the 720p screen is gonna be the one used

[solemn pumice]

Yes they only had a 5,5“ 1080p screen. Their 5“ 16:9 screen was 720p

[dry sierra]

yep, just as I suspected

1080p would easily make me choose the 50 but it's just not worth it if it's 720p

40 would fill mostly the same functions in a smaller footprint

[solemn pumice]

I agree

[bronze yew]

I mean, for an inexpensive PSP device it's fine enough and it's a way better screen than what we usually have in the budget range anyway

nobody is bothered by the TSP screen in the slightest, this just has enough power to actually run the games

[frigid condor]

Is everything contingent on One35 sales?

[bronze yew]

bit weird considering that we talk about two separate companies here, right?

[frigid condor]

Two separate companies who are using each others resources

Their separate brands represent what each company thinks will sell better or whatever that may be, it’s not exactly where MagicX is just getting contracted to build something for XU

[burnt current]

Well I hope One35 does well

Barely anybody commented on the thread I made for it in Taki's server

Yeah yeah ik he's a scammer

[frigid condor]

What the hell happened with Taki?

[burnt current]

He was selling OLED panels for Switch Lite

[dry sierra]

what I'm saying is that a 720p 4:3 display is objectively better than a 720p 16:9 one for retro gaming

[burnt current]

And some orders are basically permanently in limbo even after he got the buyers' money

[dry sierra]

1080 16:9 on the other hand is a completely different story

[burnt current]

That's what I remember from Prog4mer anyway

[burnt current]

Only if you're allergic to black bars

[dry sierra]

No? Didn't you read what I said?

[burnt current]

Yeah but you're not really making that much sense to me

Like it's 960x720 vs 1280x720

They're basically the same resolution, the 16:9 screen just has more pixels for the extra screen size

And most PSP games are 3D anyway, so being pixel perfect doesn't really matter that much

[dry sierra]

you only see a benefit for psp games even if it's not perfect

other than that 960x720 does the same thing but in a smaller footprint

[burnt current]

I agree with you on that, but there are people who want something more dedicated to PSP

So Dreamcast games have wide-screen hacks

Not to mention things like Ship of Harkinian supporting wide-screen

[dry sierra]

well if they are saving buckload of money by using a 720p instead of 1080p I can see 720p making a lot of sense

but there's no way to confirm that

[burnt current]

Luna's already been very scathing of the Mangmi screen

Something about a mouse pulling a horse carriage

1080p screen is probably a fair bit more power hungry

[dry sierra]

Well I don't think the difference would be too big in battery life

1080p would be especially noticable with 2d games

the more pixels you have the less noticable interpolation is

I don't want to criticise unnessecerily. I'm just taking from an objective kind of sense, but that doesn't include production costs. If 720p is able to lower the price to a large degree then absolutely go for it.

[bronze yew]

the 16:9 screen is probably cheaper than the 4:3 one

[dry sierra]

yeah, so the xu 50 could easily be cheaper than the xu 40

[bronze yew]

nah, both $66, let them have their extra dollar of profit man

especially considering that the One 40 will probably outsell the One 50 by a huge margin, they will have to offset the cost of the additional mold

[zealous jolt]

dream DS to compete with anbernic?

[sharp cloud]

I thought presale date and delivery for both one35 and dream 40 is around the same period? If yes, how could it depend on the one35?

[burnt current]

One35 presale starts in like 12 days

Dream 40's might start in like late October at the earliest

[sharp cloud]

Hmm ok, not that assuring though, with regards to possible delays/cancellations again if it depends on the one35

[burnt current]

I'm pretty confident we've seen the last of the delays for the One35

Provided we actually get those damn photos on Wednesday...

[zealous jolt]

Don’t jinx it now

[frigid condor]

october 10th: presale delayed, my cat won't get out of my lap

[languid dagger]

You mean dream 50 will be 5.5" screen?

[solemn pumice]

sadly no.
emphasis on ''had'', they planned to release a xu35 h55 but that got scrapped

[bronze yew]

they never had a XU35 H55 planned

was always a 5.0" screen

[solemn pumice]

they did but it got scrapped for the h44

[bronze yew]

they had it up for vote and the 3:2 superiority won out yeah

[languid dagger]

Dammit! I really hoped they would release a 5.5" screen.

I'm was eager to buy the Mangmi Air X, but I found out that the silent mode isn't even silent. The fan still ramps up and is very loud😣

[bronze yew]

but it was never an XU35 H55

XU40 H44 is what we voted for

XU35 was always H50

so basically we get the XU35 H50 anyway, just slightly different design

[solemn pumice]

xu40, but they moved xu40 down to 35 and 35 down to 30 to make the 30 the xu pocket line

but like

it's all a dream now

[bronze yew]

they just removed the XU35 bullshit

XU40 stayed XU40

[solemn pumice]

u might be right

im just happy that naming scheme is gone

[bronze yew]

yeah, maybe a Dream but until we can buy it more of a Nightmare

[solemn pumice]

h44 will make it's return though

but only if the One35 sells well

[fringe cedar]

Soooo as a TLDR for an idiot like myself - this device we've been hyped for may not even make it to production unless a different device from a technically different company sells well?

[earnest mountain]

Luna said that in response to someone asking about alt colors, so I thought Luna meant alt colors would come depending on One35 sales

If Dream One production depends on One35 sales that is plenty worrisome

[fringe cedar]

Well, that's how it reads to me, didn't mention anything about colours... It wasn't even a reply, just a statement.

"The progress of Dream 4050 depends on the pre-sale situation of One35"

Pretty gross if true...

Like, I understand the profit margins on these things must be quite small and everything has to be a calculated risk.

But it feels kinda scummy to promote a device and get everyone on board only to more or less say "You can't have it unless you also buy this other one too"

[earnest mountain]

Luna has been pretty pessimistic sounding about the whole retro handheld market due to oversaturation of the budget space
And it is kinda weird that MagicX and XURetro are technically two companies sharing the same resources. They are working more like sub brands of a larger company than two separate ones

Luna came out with the Dream One poster and all, so it would be weird if it just didn't come out cuz One35 didn't sell well

I defintely want One35 to do well. I like MagicX and how they try to do cool new things

[meager dawn]

The "oversaturation" discourse is so stupid...
3.5" verticals are oversaturated. Basically every other form factor has like, at most, one device that actually delivers some quality

[meager dawn]

No one has bothered to touch the Miyoo Mini v4's form factor. One of, if not, the most popular form factor we ever got. And no one revisited it, not even Miyoo themselves. Release something exactly like that but with wi-fi, and it'd sell really well

[fringe cedar]

I feel like the biggest selling point of the MM is OnionOS tbh.

[meager dawn]

Especially budget Android handhelds. Such a wide open market, almost no one is doing it, and it's still somehow oversaturated

[meager dawn]

For the original one, it's definitely the size. Otherwise you could get just a straight up better OnionOS experience on the MM+

[sinful mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

theres been a recent clone of the mini its just not cheap

[meager dawn]

yeah, I just heard about it like a few hours ago
All this time, all the praise the MM got, and the only alternative we got after years is one overpriced generic device

[fringe cedar]

Oversaturation is a thing, but what set this device apart was the price/performance on offer. All wrapped up in a nice clean, no frills aesthetic.

It just feels quite off putting to have a company so lacking confidence in their own products during the announcement/promotion phase or using "carrot dangling" as a sales tactic.

Really pissed in my Cheerios here to be honest

[meager dawn]

but it isn't... literally no other budget Android devices like that right now

We have two, and it's from them

[meager dawn]

*two that are completely different, btw

[fringe cedar]

No but to the casual audience there's a fucking ocean of devices to be tempted by.

For nerds like us, yes it has a little spiciness going on.

But overall the retro handheld market is positively bursting at the seams. I think that's probably what they mean by being worried about oversaturation.

[meager dawn]

but the casual audience still definitely cares about the size and shape of what they're getting. and if anything, you're MUCH more likely to sell an Android device to a casual audience than a Linux one

[meager dawn]

like, no one would ever look at this and a MM+ and think they're the same. People care about display sizes and form factor

[fringe cedar]

Yeah and a quick Google search will show them an army of Retro enthusiasts and Miyoo followers singing the MM/MM+ praises over the course of the last few years.

It literally comes up in every discussion of "Best beginner retro handheld" and it looks like a tiny GameBoy. It's basically selling itself at this point.

But if you honestly think there isn't a swarm of people buying something like an R36S they saw on TikTok for £18 all like "IT HAS POKÉMON!" compared to the occasional single device purchased by people like us, you are living in an alternate reality.

[meager dawn]

But those aren't saturation issues. Those are marketing issues. If you manage to get the same level of marketing, you can do just as well.

And really, if they bother to look into it for more than just a single google search, they'll see there are many different options

even the google search itself would show other options

Youtube reviews basically all show other handhelds, even if just as size comparisons

So really, there is plenty of space in this industry. The fact that other options already exist is true of any market

[fringe cedar]

Nobody is saying there isn't space, I certainly didn't.

I'm saying that if you were a company on a limited budget like XU presumably is, then you would be correct to be worried about oversaturation of the market for budget handhelds.

If they don't even have the money/facilities to produce the Dream 40 & 50 without help from Magic X who are in turn saying they can't help XU unless their own device sells well enough, how on Earth do you expect them to provide and fund adequate marketing to overcome what we just spoke about? It's just logical for them to have concerns.

You have to understand that the enthusiasts are the minority in this market... Most people won't do much research beyond page 1 of Google or a quick "Top 5 Beginner Devices"

[meager dawn]

But that's true of anything. What market would they pivot to, that doesn't already have established brands and popular recommendations???

that's not oversaturation. undersaturated markets don't just have blank google search results.

[fringe cedar]

My issue, is that it's pretty yucky to just come out with a statement like "Progress for Dream 40 & 50 depends on the sale of the One35" after you've got people talking, put together promotional materials and asked people to spread them around on your behalf when it's not even guaranteed to be a real product.

This all depends on my understanding of LUNA's statement.

[meager dawn]

I agree that it's hard for small companies, just like it is on any market. But this R36S or MM+ popularity "issue" is the same for every competitor and we still have tons of options, so clearly that's not stopping anyone from doing well enough

[meager dawn]

But yeah, you're right on that

[meager dawn]

not to make this more dramatic but it was one of the things I got flack for, early on, when I didn't agree with the people here pushing for faster chips, or for adding stuff like HDMI out on the One35 for a $15 increase to the price.

[meager dawn]

MagicX and XU need to prove themselves first, with devices as affordable as possible, so they can start building their brand recognition and get the money they need to tackle more ambitious projects

First get devices out the door, build up your company and your resources, then when you're financially well off, you can start taking risks with big projects

[rare junco]

Oh yeah. I hope there's a misunderstanding somewhere but if the Dream 1 actually gets canned or delayed because the One35 preorders didn't do well enough, then I'll probably lose interest in the company.

[tawny swan]

market just wait sub100 ps2 device

firmware?

and they are right

[frigid condor]

So MagicX will make gaming handhelds suited for modern games?

[dire ivy]

thats not what was said

[frigid condor]

[tawny swan]

phones its more special thing than handheld for most peoples

and they would care allot in quality in every aspect and compare with any other common known devices

[dire ivy]

simply put, magic-x needs to make devices that play modern mobile games.... think something that can play the Fate Remaster, Delta Force, Wuthering Waves, ANANTA Mobile, etc.

aka... stop making devices for emulation. doesn't mean they can't be used for emulation, though

[tawny swan]

even 7050/7300 can

not on max graphics ofc

[dire ivy]

yeah

[tawny swan]

yeah

and that a big fail

[frigid condor]

so we’ll just have MagicX phones now?

[tawny swan]

-__

[dire ivy]

Nubia did that with the Neo 5g 1 and 2 using the t820 chip. the 3 is using a dimensity. they're selling quite well in southeast asia, for the most part

[frigid condor]

[dire ivy]

any chance on you guys making a tablet?

my FireHD 8+ is -old-

[tawny swan]

wait a minute o_o

mtk optimizing old socs still?

i thought they just sell them

and it will get newer drivers?

yeah, but that not mtk do

[dire ivy]

every time a soc is adapted to a new device, it has to be redeveloped at the kernel level

this is basic stuff

[tawny swan]

yes, and never they update driver

and this is biggest problem

[dire ivy]

the driver is updated for new inputs, hardware id's and whatnot. there's not reason to go in and rebuild it

that's not cost effective in the long run.

[tawny swan]

-_-

that cost us a bad performance or artifacts in some cases

just bc they wont easily update gpu driver (for them its like for us flash custom rom)

[dire ivy]

we're not the core demographic. we're sub-1% of mediatek chip users

[tawny swan]

give exact example what soc cant be open for public agents

[dire ivy]

amlogic, raspberry pi, rockchip, allwinner, pine64 stuff... all of that is open for non-official development.

with this its all corpo proprietory... we get what they let us have

[tawny swan]

that happenes on any phone with good custom firmware vs bad official

where good guy cut everything unnecessary for that device and in fact it speed-up

I don't see anything special in this, to be honest ...

[dire ivy]

g85 should be good. it's basically s922x power

[tawny swan]

xd?

interesting

i should add 8400 to sheet i think ...

hell yeah, we need that budy ...

multi = 8gen2

[dire ivy]

they should stick with the g85 and whatever the dream2 will use. any higher and the price skyrockets. end-users don't want to spend much on retrogaming tech. they -will- spend slightly more money on something that plays genshin/zzz/honkai well

[tawny swan]

g3x gen2 lvl sheesh

[dire ivy]

yes

[tawny swan]

price will not rise to the sky

[dire ivy]

I entered with a vita, RP2, and Odroid Go Advance. those were golden times

[tawny swan]

stop dramatic

exactly

[dire ivy]

its not drama. it's the market. you're out of touch dude

[tawny swan]

if MagicX and other join 2 years ago, anbernic and other dead-livers already will gone

[tawny swan]

it is

price rise vs impact SMALL

or tiny

yeah ...

they too conservative ...

should be more open to rise interest in upcoming products or near future

[pine current]

oh man...you too? how the hell are they still working... tough little bastards.

[dire ivy]

cursed hardware lol

[pine current]

Well, don't get yourself in trouble.

I will say magicx has some of the cooler and more unique designs. I plan on grabbing the one35. I'm very pleased with everything I've bought from them so far. Can't say that of miyoo or anbernic.

[pine current]

I think the battery might be slowly going on mine but it still keeps hanging on, so I keep reading books on it...

[dire ivy]

yeah, i'm going through 147 issues of MPD Psycho on mine right now

just finished the Spiderman Gang-War omnibus

[pine current]

I'd take a magicx gaming tablet over most of the ewaste tablets on aliexpress, that's for sure.

[dire ivy]

8 inches, and toss in a bluetooth controller. doesn't even need to be telescopic. that would be perfect

[pine current]

but can I get it in atomic purple that's actually all transparent? lol

[frigid condor]

the first one was probably already published by @static aurora

i wonder if he was given it by magicx or what

BigRo is that you

[meager dawn]

I'm always very wary when I hear about MagicX wanting to develop high end stuff because the magic of importing devices is that most of them are cheap.

Which helps with de minimis across the world, and tariffs

Expensive phones/tablets will come with big tariffs.

And don't forget that phones are a lot harder to make compatible with the rest of the world. It might just not work outside China

[frigid condor]

also, magicx hasn't trademarked their name in the us yet

[rare junco]

I am totally not against the idea of more high powered android devices aimed at Android gaming. I totally support it, actually. I just want to see MagicX and XU actually follow through with their plans and don't just keep on cancelling them after announcing all the info.

[sharp cloud]

I think "phone" is just a translation error

[meager dawn]

Ok, that makes more sense

[meager dawn]

How expensive do we reckon that'd be?

[rare junco]

How expensive do we reckon what would be?

A device made for Android gaming?

[meager dawn]

These high powered Android devices

For Android games

[rare junco]

We already have many devices in those performance ranges from various makers (anbernic, Ayn, retroid, Aya, etc) to see what the price would be like. Seems like MagicX/XU would want to aim for more budget prices.

[meager dawn]

That seems counterproductive
If they want to make a device focused on Android games, that isn't going to be budget. Not even the 865 might be enough

Some Android games can be real demanding. We're talking flagship level chips here

Hopefully a misunderstanding, because I don't like their odds of making it if they're doing expensive stuff

Is MagicX going to focus on high end Android? What sort of performance?

[tawny swan]

O_o u speaking Chinese now?

[solemn pumice]

[placid cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

or even single screen

[rare junco]

Doesn't mean they could only go for the highest end stuff for Android gaming devices. Even a 865 level device will still play all the newest 3d native Android games, just not at the highest graphics/frame rate.

And even if they want to go for more expensive and more powerful chips, they can still cut corners elsewhere to make it more affordable.

[meager dawn]

The 865 is getting quite old... If it can still run modern games, it probably won't be for long

but yeah I guess we'll see. Just will be very sad to see MagicX leave the emulation space for Android gaming (if that's what's happening here)

[rare junco]

I don't think they're leaving the emulation space. Android gaming devices are still emulation devices. It seems like the problem is with the lower end market where those devices don't have much use outside retro emulation.

[rare junco]

The 865 is just an example. Newer and more powerful stuff keep coming out every year, so there will be newer "budget" choices as well.

[meager dawn]

Well, I hope you're right, and they are able to pull off relatively budget options that can still run modern Android games. Because I have a feeling that won't be cheap

[rare junco]

Depends on what you consider cheap, really. If you mean like under $100, well that's exactly the market they are trying to avoid right now it seems.

[meager dawn]

The one that got them the second best selling device of 2025 according to Luna...

If they think under $100 is hard, good luck trying to convince people to pay tariffs on more expensive devices

[rare junco]

I mean, people are buying the more expensive devices just fine.

[meager dawn]

Does MagicX have the same resources as Retroid to evade tariffs?

[rare junco]

Who knows? It's not like Retroid or other similar companies are large companies either. There will be ways.

[meager dawn]

Just seems a lot more complicated than selling budget emulation handhelds

If they're really struggling with this, I can't imagine trying to go to the high end will provide them any relief

[rare junco]

I mean, if they could work out a deal with MTK to help them make handheld gaming devices, I'm sure they could figure something out.

[meager dawn]

Could be, they'd need help from a big company

[rare junco]

Well, going cheap doesn't automatically mean they'll make money either.

[meager dawn]

In terms of logistics, it's easier

And like, they did make money

[rare junco]

Their concern right now is that the cheap low end market is getting saturated.

[meager dawn]

That's just not true at all

And the high end Android one isn't?

[rare junco]

I think they literally said that they're losing money on handheld devices so far.

[meager dawn]

Luna said the zero40 was the second best selling device of 2025. There's no way they're not making money off of that

Getting this big a hit on basically your 3rd device is crazy good

[rare junco]

#1392860755849646151 message

[tawny swan]

highest graphic and 60 fps

if 865 gpu overclocked to 905mhz

[meager dawn]

What game?

[tawny swan]

any

[meager dawn]

That's not how that works

[tawny swan]

maybe except most demanding gatcha

wont be 60 fps

[meager dawn]

865 is very old

It's going to be 6 years old in two months

[tawny swan]

and?

[rare junco]

It's best selling but still undersold.

[meager dawn]

And modern Android games are demanding

[tawny swan]

;D

865 with overclock its snap 888+ lvl

[meager dawn]

I strongly doubt it can do 60fps highest settings on Genshin Impact

[tawny swan]

even in most demanding games u will not see cpu bound on 865

native, gpu reqs rised yes

[bronze yew]

What are you even talking about again, MagicX/XU needs to actually release more stuff and yes not everything will sell 100.000 units, be the market in decline or not, the competition is big and they aren't exactly a big and known brand yet, due to not spamming a monthly handheld like Anbernic

[zealous jolt]

Quite the contrary, they’re too ambitious with their release dates. Giving way to generous of time estimates then not meeting them time and time again, the zero40 and one35 were both supposed to release over 6 months ago, the Flip was supposed to be out by now, and more

[bronze yew]

I really hope they can realize the Dream One 40/50 by end of next month, after all we spread the word around and people are already interested

[fathom swallow]

Yeah. Right now they just need to get more into people's hands. Even if price points aren't perfect. As usual it's just a hot take from someone with barely basic grasp on any topic

[tawny swan]

fps indicator scene

[jolly kettle]

Either way it'll run better than on a pc or switch emulator

[tawny swan]

ofc bc its port

soon will out normal version with right ui

[jolly kettle]

The chinese version has the best perf apparently

Then there's the freddy fazbear port

GLEports I'm not sure where they stand

[solemn pumice]

Who are you, and what did you do to Luna?

Who is Axin

They deleted the leaks and replaced Luna with Axin

Maybe they fired him because he made them lose 10k

It’s actually @long sapphire fault

Give them the money back

[frigid condor]

this is literally 1984

https://tenor.com/view/been-through-war-gif-14804550298263605778

[solemn pumice]

I need cobalt to make a goodbye graphic for Luna

[bronze yew]

RIP Luna

but wild to replace her over this, given how we saw renders of the Retro45 and Dual Screen device already

[jolly kettle]

Lmao the bleem graphic

But what the fuck is going on LOL

[solemn pumice]

Why do so many people think Luna is a she

[frigid condor]

i'll miss how wild luna gets

[tawny swan]

that obv

[solemn pumice]

Oh noo

[bronze yew]

talked too much for a guy

[solemn pumice]

Did you take that screenshot from Joey’s server

[frigid condor]

yeah

[solemn pumice]

[frigid condor]

now tell joey to pet me

[bronze yew]

we gotta tell him to shake ya

[frigid condor]

[solemn pumice]

I still think luna‘s an uncle

[fringe cedar]

@glad oriole

Can you do what LUNA could not an give me a Yellow Dream 40?

[placid cosmos]

pretty sure they got fired bro, they aint in the xu server no more

[fringe cedar]

That's why I'm asking (demanding) whoever Axin is... Presumably LUNA's replacement

[bronze yew]

I mean they literally renamed the account to Axin

[solemn pumice]

Maybe it’s like a joke

We ask „who is Axin“

And Luna will be like „who is askin“

And then they’ll change it back

[placid cosmos]

if its a corpo acct then why leave that companies server?

[fringe cedar]

Maybe this whole thing was a joke to get us to buy the MagicX One35...

[solemn pumice]

They’re still here and in magicx, wdym?

[placid cosmos]

they were in XU server as well, now they are not

[solemn pumice]

There’s an XU server??

[placid cosmos]

oh wait, nvm

i confused mangmi server

and now to start a new conspiracy

same logo same company

[lyric totem]

I thought MagicX was technically separate from XU branding, that they only manufacture device for XU? Why does Dream1 have to rely on the sales of a MagicX One35?

[fringe cedar]

Marketing Blackmail

[frigid condor]

they're basically two collaborating companies whose values created seperate brands

it's not like xu just contracts magicx

[bronze yew]

if the One35 ain't sells, we sacrifice Bobby

[frigid condor]

[lyric totem]

two collaborating companies are still two separate companies tho? Unless you have contracts or stake in each other

[frigid condor]

they collaborate as if they're one

[lyric totem]

Like Jim said, its blackmail marketing lol

[frigid condor]

oh no i got mortgage screen'ed

[lyric totem]

The companies owners can be brothers for all I care. But saying you gotta buy MagixX first or we won't make the Dream1 is scummy

[fringe cedar]

I literally don't want the Magic X being the biggest problem here

[bronze yew]

you guys forget that this conversation for them is run by machine translation

they will do the Dream One regardless of how well the One35 sells, they are just on edge because the market ain't great and stuff ain't selling like it did 1-2 years ago, so One35 tanking would be a pretty bad sign for the Dream One according to Luna, tho arguably they kinda steal sales of that with their own Dream One coming out right after

[fringe cedar]

I don't think they are necessarily saying "we refuse to make the Dream40 unless you buy the One35"

It sounded more like they can't afford to make the Dream40 unless you buy the One35

2 equally shit scenarios though

[lyric totem]

That implies that both companies share the same bank accounts. Thats equally confusing 🤔

Honestly I wouldn't be surprise if Xu and MagicX are just two brands under the same owner...

[bronze yew]

both belonging to Anbernic

[lyric totem]

The two company thing is all just a lie

Same as Retroid and AYN

[fringe cedar]

Hopefully it is a lost in translation kind of thing but LUNA definitely seemed downbeat about the Dream40's chances after the initial reveal/mock ups were shown.

I think they are 2 teams working from the same resource pool personally...

[lyric totem]

How can you trust another company to use the same resource pool? Unless you are in fact on the same team/company...

[bronze yew]

I mean as long as they keep the Dream One up for sale that will be the entry level drug for new folks tbh

[lyric totem]

You gotta be crazy, to let another company use your funds lol

[fringe cedar]

Totally agree, that's why I was hype. It looks and sounds great

[bronze yew]

$76 shipped for what it can do is vastly cheaper than the competition

[fringe cedar]

I'm just speculating.

Also disclaimer: I'm just some idiot on the internet

[radiant lantern]

Where is Luna

[woven shell]

Bring back Luna

[bronze yew]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-concrete-boots-mafia-goofy-concrete-boots-gif-26737762

[fiery panther]

Sleeping with the feesh

[stoic plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/boomerang-axe-throwing-viking-ball-the-boss-gif-2619101981801708433

[rare junco]

Bring back Luna or I'll get a Mangmi instead of the Dream40

[tall olive]

Real

Luna kept me invested in magicx/xu's success

[radiant lantern]

Luna's a real one

[placid cosmos]

luna

[fiery panther]

Wait wait did really Luna got replaced by someone else

[pine current]

it said she on the profile

[stoic plaza]

Seems like it, the LUNA profile got changed to Axin hence the 🪓

[fiery panther]

Oh well

Let's Speedrun to make the next one fired as well

||okay no, sorry||

[spark cradle]

is the Dream 40 the Dream 1

[earnest mountain]

Dream 40 = 4" 4:3 Dream 1
Dream 50 = 5" 16:9 Dream 1

Dream One 40 and Dream One 50 I guess

[glad oriole]

Hello everyone, I am Axin, the new representative of XURetro. Please give me your guidance.

Luna posted some unclear information and caused some trouble to everyone. I am really sorry.

The truth is: MagicX stated that the first batch of One35 devices entered production on October 10th, with the second batch of One35 and Dream 40 to begin production simultaneously. G85 motherboards are manufactured exclusively through MTK, which typically requires a production queue. Luna offered no explanation, claiming that the One35's launch was a huge hit, necessitating the resumption of Dream 40 production, leading to misunderstandings.

[fiery panther]

So
There will be more than a single batch of One35 consoles?

[glad oriole]

I will post the latest progress of Dream 40 as soon as possible.

[glad oriole]

One35 is a device that MagicX has high hopes for, and it is impossible to produce only one batch.

[sharp cloud]

I think it's just a translation error, no harm done actually, hope luna is still ok

[fiery panther]

Hope we see more colors as well

[glad oriole]

Luna was transferred to the sales department to start a new work plan. During the holidays, she also went to Japan to visit and learn about game consoles.

[tawny swan]

Eh

[placid cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-6037055492951935036

[fiery panther]

Axin was is your opinion about the XU20

[glad oriole]

My personal opinion of the XU20 is that it's excellent in every respect. While its appearance might not be appealing enough to European and American buyers, its exceptionally low price should be attractive enough for South American buyers. It should sell well on AliExpress next month.

[fiery panther]

Maybe you mean latin america, probably it will sell here at Mexico quite well

I like it for what it offers

[rare junco]

What about the Dream50?

[tawny swan]

7350 for 133$ 8400 166$ Luna sayed. its possible?

[fathom swallow]

Whatever in here trying to get more Xu staff "vacationed"

[frigid condor]

Is that code for a reeducation camp?

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-war-basingse-hypnotized-brainwashing-gif-17917884

no seriously I’m really concerned

[grand ibex]

Can we get dream40 on aliexpress without resellers? I'm never buying stuff from individual websites, just marketplaces. I know I'd have to pay a bit more aliexpress tax 😄 but it's worth it to me

[fiery panther]

Can we have transparent turquoise shell again please

[glad oriole]

Dream 50 has not been cancelled yet but may be launched later

[fiery panther]

Please

[spark cradle]

I don't think it's even about the appearance, it's just that some American and European buyers are looking for something with more power

also this device has gotten really good scores from American and European reviewers, it should be a hit once you guys make it available to the world

[glad oriole]

Luna has presented these plans at the meeting, but the company does not have any information on them yet.

[plucky halo]

So luna didn't get some axin eh, just transferred

[glad oriole]

Thank you for your support and recognition of XU20

[tawny swan]

Noooo

🥲

[solemn pumice]

Dream50 feels like spreading their resources too thin

Focus on the 40

[solemn pumice]

I never noticed, and now she’s gone

[frigid condor]

i hope she wasn’t fired, this job market is terrible

[solemn pumice]

Apparently she’s part of the sales department now

[frigid condor]

[solemn pumice]

Here

[frigid condor]

@glad oriole you must’ve been here before you were assigned a rep position, which department did you come from?

[glad oriole]

Luna has just applied for a project at the company. After her vacation, she will come to talk to you as a player.

[frigid condor]

we will get to talk to her again?

sweet she reminds me of my drunk aunt

[glad oriole]

She will register a new personal account

[tawny swan]

when

[tall olive]

After her vacation

Maybe she will meet Russ when she is in Japan

[burnt current]

I feel bad for Luna 😔

[verbal sun]

Is Luna cool? I'm just reading this discussion and I want to know if I should like Luna or not

[bronze yew]

so no simultaneous pre-sale of the Dream One 40 and Dream One 50 with the later shipping out 10-15days after?

[left niche]

btw its last day before the golden week ... so the One35 photos might by on 9th

[bronze yew]

ehhh, they should have shown us the real life pictures a bit before this goes on pre-sale

9th pictures, 10th pre-sale is a lil late

[burnt current]

100% agree

It's a bit ridiculous

We've been asking for these pics for forever

[sharp cloud]

If you are talking about real pic and not render, maybe it just was not ready?
Don't see an issue as long as it's revealed before order starts, or even before item is shipped (so you can change your mind)

[burnt current]

But 1 day before preorders start??

[sharp cloud]

Many other firms don't even show them until some days/weeks after preorder starts

Other functionality/design information have already been shown previously, so the main thing left is the colors/finish etc.

How many days you need to review the colors etc to make a decision?
If 1 day is not enough, you can always take your time to order after the preorder starts, or just wait for reviews.

[burnt current]

Yes, and I don't like those firms

[left niche]

It's more aboutvthe factvthey were promised ro be posted months ago

[flint plaza]

Yup + Blue Protocol SR, Seven Deadly Sins, Honor of King worlds

There a very good games coming on Android

[crisp plank]

I feel like Luna was our drug dealer 🤣. She was feeding us the info we craved

Yes, she was cool. I hope she's not gone too long.

[lyric totem]

Do you guys take in to considering the Chinese market as well? It seems like you guys mostly focus on international audience.

[solemn pumice]

Chinese market will be tough with like 10k people ordering another entry lvl 4:3 before this even launches

[bronze yew]

I think it will be the go-to entry level device for a year, domestic price will probably be 399-449, so there it should also sell well enough, especially if they can actually ship their orders out fast and without issues, Ayaneo will struggle to do so many Pocket Air Mini in a realistic time frame

[solemn pumice]

Especially if they keep the price low like they do it for the pocket fit

make igg and early bird pricing, retail pricing

[bronze yew]

I don't think we will see many Air Mini in western hands this year, the domestic amount is just too big

Ayaneo ain't producing enough handhelds normally to deal with 10000+ orders

[spark cradle]

incredibly happy how this has punished the 476H hard

[burnt current]

I'm not sure if it really has tbh

[solemn pumice]

Apparently anbernic is too big to fail

[burnt current]

I thought it was more just that the 476 isn't something people really want at its price point in late 2025

[frigid condor]

doubt that’s true

[solemn pumice]

Their 35xxsp and 34xx sales are probably still carrying them through 2025

[spark cradle]

the Chinese market definitely chose the Pocket Air Mini over the 476H, but yeah the 476H was just sold at a terrible price point

[bronze yew]

it was cheap enough to not bother waiting, but a good price point would be $25 less than the EB was tbh

on the other hand, if you have the money, it's a way better device than the Air Mini

lets be fair, the entire market did

the t820 could have been $120-130 all along
the H700 probably would have been fine around $50 the entire time

they made money from it, it's a company after all

[burnt current]

...Aside from MagicX

[bronze yew]

even MagicX has a margin, they just do too many designs and molds to make a profit from what few devices they actually sell

the Dream 40 may be a little close and only have a small margin below $10 tho

but it definitely also has one

[solemn pumice]

Anbernic‘s profit margins gotta be so insane

Not just now

Even back in the past

Selling you a rk3566 for $130

[bronze yew]

hahaha, yeah they probably had like 60% profit on those back in the day

30% is is normal business practice

[dark meteor]

Well sometimes the margin is way higher. Just depends on industry and what the product it. I'm sure the overall tech industry is a bit lower because they plan on consumers buying every 1-2 years which is kind of nuts when you think about it.

[burnt current]

[bronze yew]

time to beat up Drics

[left niche]

https://tenor.com/view/you-you-did-this-nice-going-your-fault-gif-13598257

[zealous jolt]

Lmaooooo

[grand ibex]

did something happen lol

[bronze yew]

don't worry, I already spend the money on the retail release of Infinity (GBC)

[left niche]

dric jinxed another delay

[fringe cedar]

Wait... So if the One35 has been delayed again, and the Dream40's production is reliant on and of a lower production priority than the One35...

Does that mean...

[sharp cloud]

Hope not, the announcement from Sean mentioned One35 delay is due to shell which should not have anything to do with the Dream40 's development

[languid dagger]

I mean even a crappy 10 year old phone would run that game great, it's an android port😅

[woven shell]

very quiet channel following the untimely death of luna

(executed by firing squad)

[long sapphire]

why Axin who replace luna is so quiet, is XU dream1 coming out soon or it is only a dream?

[fiery panther]

They drunk af

[fringe cedar]

No excuse, the West demands constant updates on a handheld that may or may not exist that they may or may not buy

[bronze yew]

if we can't pre-order both Dream One devices by the end of the month it's dead anyway, I'm done waiting for delays

[frigid condor]

if luna was still here, she would be detailing our break trip to us right now

[livid herald]

Meanwhile, me being the patient one due to being indecisive (and because a theoretical Linux ROM for these would take time)

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-its-okay-rocky-you-go-when-you-feel-like-it-gif-21084732

[fringe cedar]

I personally wouldn't ever pre-order any emulation device no matter how good it sounds...

I'm hopeful and excited for the Dream40 based on what we've been told/shown but I don't need it.

Being immune to FOMO is a skill everyone should learn

[burnt current]

Dude you've been in this server for like a month and a half lol

The One35 got announced like a year ago now, and was originally supposed to release in like, late Jan/early Feb

[left niche]

embrace the FOMO

[left niche]

originally fall 2024 ... iirc september

[burnt current]

Is it not now Fall 2025?

Why do Americans call Autumn Fall. I don't get it

[left niche]

yes

[left niche]

tbh no clue i use them interchangeably as someone who started elarning english in late teens

[fringe cedar]

Pretty sure it goes back to America trying to differentiate itself and break away from its glorious motherland 🇬🇧 to become it's own entity.

Part of that was by tainting the language with simplifications and different words for the same thing, as well as different spellings.

It's called Fall because the leaves fall from the trees.

It's the same thing as them saying sidewalk because they are walking at the side of the road.

Horse Back Riding because otherwise you might try sitting on its head.

Airplane instead of Aeroplane.

The list goes on... They are a funny sort 😅

[bronze yew]

nah, they just need to specify stuff, the Brits call it "pavement", but the Americans wouldn't understand where to walk, so it had to be "sidewalk" instead

like brits say horse riding, while Americans made horseback riding out of it, specify where to sit or else they would try funny stuff I guess

the amount of warnings and what not to do with shit we have to put into the American instruction booklets is just insane compared to European countries... but otherwise you could get sued your ass off

[left niche]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-horse-brian-dream-horse-pet-horse-man-with-horse-gif-21628499

[fringe cedar]

Oh I forgot the most important one for the yanks - Gas.

Something that is almost exclusively available in liquid form.

To be fair though I'll let them have it because it's easier than saying gasoline and we say petrol instead of petroleum.

[woven shell]

Leaves fall from trees during this time

Hope this helps

People act like American English is some abomination when in reality all languages evolve and the entire point of British English is that they've kept wrong and stupid definitions for everything just for the sake of being different from America because they're still upset to this day that they lost the war

[burnt current]

But like

Why keep winter, spring and summer?

Why just autumn?

[fringe cedar]

I don't know a single person that cares even one bit about "losing the war" 😅

It's really the only unique bit of history Americans have though so it makes sense so many cling to what is essentially a drop in the ocean compared to the other formative events of the rest of the world... 👀

Brits only like to make fun of Americans because we are one and the same while also being polar opposites in certain key areas.

Taking everything to heart and the inability to laugh at yourselves is why it's so good to poke fun. Nobody thinks the British are ridiculous and silly more than the British themselves 🤣 our whole sense of humour is built on sarcasm and self deprication.

Obviously I can't speak for an entire people, but I personally harbor a lot of love and respect for the yanks. The ultimate frenemies 👌

Always gotta maintain this though...

Which is essentially how the rest of Europe looks at us 🤷‍♂️

[burnt current]

This is getting to be a rather long winded discussion about something completely unrelated to handhelds lol

I was just confused why autumn and only autumn is known by a different name in the States

Also, figured I should say, Americans really don't like being called yanks, at least in my experience

I used to use the word a lot because my dad always has, but I've gotten a fair bit of pushback on it

[fringe cedar]

That stereotypical sensitivity I was talking about 😏

[bronze yew]

all they have is their overinflated sense of patriotism, like why even call it United States of America, when they haven't even united all of North America

[radiant lantern]

Because they're states within the continent of North America

[bronze yew]

United States of middle North America then

or you bring Canada and Mexico in, then you can go United States of North America at least

[fringe cedar]

Mexico is South America though...

Canada is a different country

[fringe cedar]

Whoops, me dumb

🤣🤣🤣

[bronze yew]

yep, definitely dumb

[fringe cedar]

👈😎👈

[woven shell]

sounds like a lot of dumb british people in this channel

🥱

[fringe cedar]

I have no defence on this matter

[woven shell]

defense*

[fringe cedar]

*defence

[woven shell]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-meme-blocked-bateman-patrick-patrick-bateman-gif-25526259

[woven shell]

spoilers

[fringe cedar]

laughs in 2001

[woven shell]

a space odyssey or the tragedy?

[fringe cedar]

Neither. Fellowship of the Ring

[woven shell]

try 1956

brits cant even do math

[fringe cedar]

I mean, the film is absolutely from 2001... I didn't screenshot an e-reader

[woven shell]

there's a film?

[fringe cedar]

Maybe

[long sapphire]

by the way, where is xu dream1
it must announce now as
ayaneo pocket mini
and mangmi air x
are having their international launch on 15th of October.
is XU Dream1 is real or only in a dream. XU axin please repsonse.

[zealous jolt]

Because the leaves fall off the trees

Duhhh

[fringe cedar]

Axin said that the production of the Dream40 would coincide with the second run of the MagicX One35...

The initial run of which has been delayed so I'm low-key not hopeful of an October launch of the Dream40

[long sapphire]

thats the problem with XU Retro, they always promise a moon but in real life they may not launch any devices at all.
i remember i get excited about Xu35H50 and u know what suddenly it get cancel replace by xu dream1???

in this chat group, xu luna will reponse to people query and it is so fun. now xu axin really quite quiet not so reponsive about the company plan.

[fringe cedar]

1st - 8th of October is a national holiday in China, I think it's safe to attribute the brief silence to that

[long sapphire]

hopefully it is true as XU Axin should respond to this chat group as people are waiting for xu retro update. is xu dreaming 1 coming when end of oct, end of nov or maybe December???

[fringe cedar]

Damn dude. Let them have their holiday 🤣

[long sapphire]

this chat group miss XU Luna, she is a fun gal giving us update of XU retro future plan. maybe she reveal too much 🙂

[dark meteor]

Chill dude. Just eat a handheld while you wait.

[pine current]

Protip - crack the outer shells to access the softer, meatier bits inside.

[fiery panther]

https://tenor.com/view/chips-maximum-speed-gif-5031998691097922814

[livid herald]

Do I need to draw my sona eating a handheld if something improbable happens? /lh

[rare junco]

Mmmmmm membranes

[pine current]

the batteries are like spicy szechuan foie gras.

[fringe cedar]

Alright @glad oriole

National Holiday is over.

The West seethes for Dream40 updates.

[bronze yew]

Don't they have holidays until tomorrow... and then weekend?

[left niche]

Iirc it was till 8th

[bronze yew]

1.-7. October apparently, but hell, as if they don't take the rest of the week off before they return

i won't go to work on the 22.-23.12 either, cuz fuck that

[left niche]

Tbh I expected them to appear on 9th given the original resale plans

[fringe cedar]

No idea, was just joking anyway

[steel herald]

Brothers, I'm back.

[woven shell]

True?

[steel herald]

I'm chatting with you in the channel as a player and not posting on behalf of any company or team

[woven shell]

Glad to have you back

[steel herald]

I am glad to see that many friends care about me. Thank you all.

My new job is product manager. I am currently planning a device that can replace R36. I hope you can give me some suggestions.

[hoary egret]

Can it be linux? Or must be android?

A better performance linux handheld will literally replace it

Since with R36 you are looking at Budget price, available linux OS and plug and play

[woven shell]

^

[burnt current]

Wooooo

Glad Luna has returned

[woven shell]

Choosing a chipset that is easy for custom firmware creators to work with is a big key part of that as well.

Anbernic and Miyoo's success are directly tied to muOS, Spruce, Onion etc.

[hoary egret]

Why linux is so big, is because you have portmaster as well

[woven shell]

And honestly just selling on Amazon is probably one of the absolute biggest things for the R36 specifically

[hoary egret]

If you want android then, you have to undercut with better performance

[burnt current]

Part of me wonders if it's too late to undercut the original R36S

Actually wait a minute

The XU10 was an R36S clone

And I daresay better in a lot of regards. The problem was the misinformation regarding the chipset as well as the locked down software

[burnt current]

Anyway, I say this, because it seems like companies are moving past the 640x480 panels in favour of the 720x720 ones

[steel herald]

Clamshell design
3.5-inch screen (960x640 pixels)
No touchscreen, no Wi-Fi support
Selling point: Resolution is four times that of the Game Boy Advance
Price: Approximately $30-35 on AliExpress

[burnt current]

My big want for a lower end device would be an RK3326 device with the RGB30 form factor

[hoary egret]

That's ANBERNIC territory 😂

Is it android?

[steel herald]

Only Dawn's Android does not support APP installation

[hoary egret]

Hrmmm, then yeah that's quite a great value

A133P?

[left niche]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-tdkr-black-gates-you-have-returned-gif-15836927

[steel herald]

RK3188

[burnt current]

Actually someone explain

How much of a difference are we talking when it comes to 3326 and 3188

[zealous jolt]

Quad core a9? We going back in time 5 years?

[zealous jolt]

Ass

[hoary egret]

Did a quick google, 3188 is worst than 3326

[steel herald]

3188 is stronger than 3326

[hoary egret]

But still for a clamshell with possible linux 30~35 is great

[burnt current]

What's the actual difference in CPU scores, since that's what really matters

[steel herald]

Also running on Android emulator, 3188 is much better than 3266

[zealous jolt]

I guess it actually may be a bit better

[storm warren]

No wifi = instant turnoff for me at this point

[zealous jolt]

At least throw a dongle in the box like anbernic used to do, what’s a dongle cost in bulk? $1?

But I guess if cost was the determining issue it would probably be cheaper to slap a WiFi chip inside

[steel herald]

3188 does not heat up, the best way to run PS GBA SFC

[storm warren]

I'd also like a CPU that doesnt lose 30 percent battery when sleeping for half a day

[bronze yew]

it's called XF40H, costs like 35-40bucks

[hoary egret]

Well since LUNA is targetting R36S

It makes sense

[bronze yew]

R36S is so ass, any decent device that can match it at the same price should kill it

[hoary egret]

For the general public anyway not us familiar with all the consoles

You will want sellers who put roms in it for China market

Better quality shell will also kill r36s

[steel herald]

I think the retro device market is currently saturated across the high, mid, and low-end markets. At the low end, the R36 has completely dominated the market, but the experience is terrible, with a crappy screen and design. There are no good devices in the $30-35 price range. This is where there's room for growth.

[hoary egret]

Yeh you understand 😂

[clever verge]

For a Device like this, no sticks Right? Especially with a GBA focus

Also, welcome back

[hoary egret]

Normally with R36S, sellers and tiktokers will market it as such

Hey this costs only 30 bucks but can play this and that!

[steel herald]

It's not about defeating the R36, but about adding an extra option: a flip-top display with 960x640 resolution, something the R36 manufacturer can't replicate.

[hoary egret]

Then you are on the right track, adding wifi would be good though

Not sure how much cost that adds

[clever verge]

I perfer it without WiFi, those WiFi chips in those low end devices are atrocious & often don't work or are trash. Rather use my own WiFi Dongle and the Company put more effort into a Better OTG port

[earnest mountain]

Please have an actual headphone jack

No weird analog usb c nonsense that miyoo does

[hoary egret]

Yeah you can whoop miyoo ass with this

[bronze yew]

I kinda doubt we can do a $25 clamshell with a 960x640 screen... which honestly should just be the same shell as a GBA SP, but oh well

instead of Wifi a suspend function would be more important, people were on Powkiddys ass over that with their V90S

[steel herald]

You can get a flip phone for $30-35, and it even supports 4x zoom on the GBA-specific screen. [This includes] a variety of transparent colors and a variety of GBA primary colors.

[burnt current]

Yeah and it's from a company who I don't trust to make good D-pads

[steel herald]

Attractiveness is 10 points, how many points would you give?

[clever verge]

Sticks = 7 poins

No sticks = 9 points

Depending on Hinge Design and Pictures, probably can push that up to a 10. Great Job @steel herald

[steel herald]

Joysticks are not currently considered

[clever verge]

I'm loving that with a 9 til product Pictures then

[steel herald]

Vibration motor, dual speakers

[burnt current]

Dual speakers...

I feel like they'd be especially liable to being covered by your palms

Also would be concerned about the actual speakers themselves tbh

[bronze yew]

yeah NO STICKS

[burnt current]

Trimui Brick has dual speakers but I think its audio quality is significantly worse than mono speaker devices

[steel herald]

The speaker should be designed to emit sound from the bottom

[bronze yew]

honestly just replicate the GBA SP and we are good

don't do an ugly forehead like the 34xxSP and NO sticks tho

[vagrant iris]

@steel herald please consider adding wi-fi, it shouldnt inflate the price too much but will be a huge plus for many people

[burnt current]

Replicating the GBA SP is gonna be nigh impossible with a 3.5" display, because it's too big

[bronze yew]

if you bait people with nostalgic colors and a good price it will sell

[steel herald]

Dual-channel must be better than mono, the key is the team's development capabilities

[vagrant iris]

Also pls note that latest Powkiddy devices didnt sell that well because they lacked wifi chip

[bronze yew]

I mean, Anbernic squeezed a 3.4" 3:2 panel into the same footprint, we can do it

[storm warren]

I doubt most people would even notice stereo speakers, its going to sound cheap anyway

[burnt current]

Nah I massively notice the difference between the Brick's audio and most cheap devices

Especially with a game like Metal Slug 5

It's very muffled on the Brick

[bronze yew]

honestly, just take an aftermarket GBA SP shell and squeeze an emulation device into it for a good price and it will sell, why bother with reinventing the wheel

[clever verge]

I mean....the A133P chip having a Bad reputation didn't help either

[steel herald]

I personally think the dual speakers of Z28 work very well

[burnt current]

Ah, so those are available

I don't remember the audio being bad with those

[bronze yew]

that was more on Powkiddy not providing good firmware and nobody really bothering with CFW for their devices

from a CFW perspective an rk3326 would honestly make more sense than the rk3188 or whatever Luna suggested

[clever verge]

It has less to do with Powkiddy, and everything to do with All Winner

[storm warren]

Still, give me one of the Brick Hammer speakers over two of the regular Brick ones

[burnt current]

I'm actually really tempted to get the Brick Hammer literally just because of the speaker upgrade

[fringe cedar]

Comes back after a couple of hours

[left niche]

where is One35 in this image?

the chair?

[bronze yew]

wrong channel

also delaying stuff for over a year, ehhh keep it

[steel herald]

It's unlikely they'll abandon a second G85 device. The molds and screens are still under development. This is mainly because MTK has seen a decline in retro handheld sales, so they've slowed down. That's all I can say.

[left niche]

is it though, given luna mentioning testing One35 around mutliple times? kinda interchangeable 😛

[burnt current]

Problem with this is that given the aspect ratio, the device with be noticeably a fair bit wider than the original SP

And a bit shorter, if the bezels are small

[bronze yew]

maybe, but I don't give a shit anymore, give me my Dream One 40, I can't care about the One 35 anymore, it broke my heart to many times

[burnt current]

I'm still pissed off that they delayed the One 35 because of a holiday they literally knew was gonna happen

Like wtf

They could have just given the later date to begin with

[fringe cedar]

I just don't care about the One35 at all and never have. I'm here because the Dream40 sounds and looks really promising

[left niche]

same but the other way around

[steel herald]

I believe that more and more devices with a budget of $100 will be launched. I think the current devices are not lacking in performance, but lacking in devices that can be talked about.

[left niche]

yep they could just let me still order and instead of finalized colour molds ... just show the production samples they totally already have
why delaye even the presale?

[bronze yew]

should fit, barely with minimal space left and right, but heck, what do I care if it's 4mm wider

[fringe cedar]

I get the impression that the whole joint business partnership model thing between MagicX and XU is kinda hindering both parties - based purely off what we have been told here, purely speculative of course

[burnt current]

I mean AFAIK, XU Retro can't really function without MagicX

They'd at least need to find a new manufacturer

[fiery panther]

What did I miss

Clamshell low power console?

[fringe cedar]

Kinda nothing to be honest - Luna is back but XU remains silent...

[livid herald]

Welcome back, Luna!

[left niche]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-raphael-welcome-home-welcome-back-tmnt-movie-gif-22033475

[stoic plaza]

How about a miyoo a30 that doesn't heat up.
So put in a new SoC and the better screen with the same form factor.

Welcome back LUNA!

[fringe cedar]

This is what kind of what I mean.

Seems like XU isn't really in a position to push their own stuff because it's always going to come second to MagicX's own products.

But MagicX seems to have enough of their own problems without lending time and spreading their resources to help XU.

Like I said, I am just speculating based on what we've heard here.

[burnt current]

No overtaking the A30 now lmao

Spruce has gotten way too good for people to not get it over competitors

[stoic plaza]

Yeah but spruce didn't fix the overheating issues.

[long sapphire]

why your logo is different?
u are a fun gal in this chat.
hope u provide more updates on your company.
from XU Axin, we thought you no longer can communicate with us as you reveal too much.
but luckily you are back.
rejoice 🙂

[burnt current]

Evidently it's not enough of a dealbreaker to stop most people from buying it

[stoic plaza]

It is for me which is why I'm still waiting for the TOne35. I like that form factor compared to clamshells

And i doubt others knew about the overheating prior to purchasing the device.

[burnt current]

What's your problem with the 28xx?

Since that's the main competition it has

Small buttons?

[left niche]

Tbh main competitor of One35 is pocket micro

[burnt current]

Yeah

[stoic plaza]

Comparing the two, i like the a30 better.

[burnt current]

I'm definitely a sucker for Famicom-themed designs

Would love for Anbernic to make something akin to the 280V again lol

[stoic plaza]

Yeah, I'm considering the micro as well but pulled back due to the battery size

[left niche]

I had it for a day ... confirmed to me that the screen is great and that famicon look is cool ... and that's pretty much it

[burnt current]

I have one, but it's an early batch model with a shitty D-pad

I've heard the front plate can fall off

[stoic plaza]

Same here, and i like the build but it screams "baby me" haha

[long sapphire]

i believe u have price your clamshell as the cheapest between rg35xxsp and miyoo flip. to keep price u plan to use rk3326 ( poor emulation for psp/n64) or at least rk3566.
assume to be linux to keep price low.

[stoic plaza]

She said 3188 which seems better than 3326 on android

[burnt current]

Luna said RK3188

Which is much weaker GPU, but slightly better CPU

It seems they're pretty set on making another Android handheld

So CFW isn't even a factor

Though if they were going Linux, I'd absolutely ask for 3326 instead

[stoic plaza]

I also like the pocket ace but the price is just too much for what it offers.

[left niche]

Reminds me of how I tried it first time.... and somehow the left stick got yeeted away ... and took me like a hour to find where the hell it fell to

[long sapphire]

why can u get at least A133p processor is it too expensive.

[burnt current]

Thermals ig

Since it's a clamshell

Thinner device when opened

[long sapphire]

for low cost easy to use no touch screen. please limit to linux and possible get rocknix if possible.

[long sapphire]

Hi Luna,
U are chinese gal. did u use google translation from chinese to English to speak to us.
or really master English as 2nd language. i visited china before most of them cannot really communicate in english.
i am amazed by your written english chat.

[tawny swan]

is it you? 👀

[tawny swan]

she use script

[long sapphire]

honestly, could Luna designed clamshell r36s will do well in the market as currently there are quite a number of clamshell from anbernic and miyoo.
2ndly clamshell hinge very easily broken. happen to miyoo flip and also retroid flip. can luna design clamshell the hinge reliable

[burnt current]

Yeah you can tell Luna is using a translator because her and all of the other MagicX/XU reps tend to call clamshell devices "flip phones"

Though she didn't make the error this time

[slim gale]

4x gba clamshell for $35 would be an instant buy for me tbh

I’ve considered the 34xxsp a few times and the combo of price plus sticks is enough to keep me from buying it

Cheaper, plus better screen, more focused device

Not for everyone but perfect for me

[slim gale]

What can I say, I’m a GBA enjoyer

[solemn pumice]

Does that thing have reliable charging via usbc?

I’d upgrade the chip and add WiFi tbh. It wouldn’t compete with the 34xxsp because that thing has :
unnecessary sticks
a big ahh forehead
and a chip that doesn’t work with every usb-c cable

[solemn pumice]

Glad to have you back

[zealous jolt]

the 34xxSP will be leagues ahead of whatever this thing ends up being. Considering it only costs like $15 more than this handheld's theoretical price, why comprimise on the cpu, OS, and lack of wifi/bluetooth? Also Anbernic has proven they know how to do a hinge right, we'll have to trust that XU doesn't pull a miyoo

34sp is easy handheld of the year

[solemn pumice]

What are you talking about out

[left niche]

[storm warren]

Didnt 34sp release pretty close to the Retroid Pocket Classic? If we're speaking in absolutes here, 34xxsp might not even win best handheld of the month

[spark cradle]

isn't that the XU20 but with a bigger screen?

[spark cradle]

how much more does it cost for the device to have wifi support?

this sounds amazing though

[sudden narwhal]

Interesting! I think a low-end chipset like the RK3326 would be a good choice for this kind of device. Just please avoid using the A133p, even though it performs better, it tends to heat up quickly and makes the device uncomfortable to hold 😅

[stark stirrup]

I want someone to use the t157 from unisoc in a low cost handheld

[zealous jolt]

What are you talking about in?

[solemn pumice]

brother zhou must have bribed you

[zealous jolt]

Lmao I wish. But we’ll just have to wait and see I guess. So far none of either magicx’s nor XU’s handhelds come close to touching Anbernics, I don’t think downgrading the cpu and removing WiFi will change that

[radiant lantern]

Nah that's going to the thor

[zealous jolt]

You right

*budget handheld of the year

[solemn pumice]

nah that's going to the dream1

[zealous jolt]

If it comes out this year

[solemn pumice]

imagine they cancel it after the on35 sells badly

[zealous jolt]

Imagine the one35 sells

[solemn pumice]

imagine people won't buy the one35 because they can buy a handheld with the same screen for $35

[zealous jolt]

No more delays lol, my desire to own one goes down each delay

[slim gale]

Charging via usbc is not chip dependent, it’s just a couple of resistors. Tad boy color with a freaking GBC cpu can charge with a c to c cable because it has 2 resistors to negotiate 5V

[solemn pumice]

Sounds right actually, reminds me of something saying something similar back when they investigated the 35xxsp mobo

[slim gale]

It’s just lazy. 2 resistors at bulk wouldn’t even increase cost a penny

It’s like $0.001 each

C to C should absolutely be standard

If I could get the one35 screen in a clamshell for less than $50 and a chip that can fast forward a bit that would probably kill the one35 for me tbh. The dual dpad and Tate would be all it has left

[solemn pumice]

I was always more interested in the XU Pocket, I really don’t want 2 dpads

[woven shell]

really i'm just waiting for a device i can actually put in my pocket

meaning sliders and small

none of this 'pocket' bs that actually has a 4.5 inch screen and two barely recessed joysticks

[solemn pumice]

the pocket evo should have made us realize, that ayaneo doesn't even know the meaning of the word

[bronze yew]

just that they stole it from us

[solemn pumice]

Won’t be the last, get used to it

[frigid condor]

@steel herald I’m thinking you should prioritize Portmaster support/existing Linux CFW software support

it gave the r36s an edge

[burnt current]

34SP is like €60-70 for me

Still a good bit more expensive than the other XX handhelds

[fringe cedar]

[radiant lantern]

Please do not kill the Tone35

[slim gale]

You’re hunting for a unicorn and surprised to see a normal not enchanted Forrest

[fringe cedar]

I don't think it would take much at this point... It's for the greater good

[static aurora]

JXD S7800 on rk3188 was popular android console 10 years ago, it's definitely better than any of rk3326 console:
7-inch 1280x800 IPS touchscreen, a Rockchip RK3188 quad-core CPU, 2GB RAM, and 16GB storage (expandable) running Android

[stark stirrup]

The real question is how do you not order a rk3188 but get rk3218??

Er rk3128

[static aurora]

It's not possible to order consoles with rk3188 anymore

Jxd s7800 was released in 2013 with android 4.4. 2 kitkat, later community did cfw aosp android 5.1, but it's anyway too low version of android to use it today, same like sjgam m27 on android 4.4 - it's almost useless now

[burnt current]

I wonder what version of Android they'd plan on putting on an RK3188

[radiant lantern]

1.0

[clever verge]

Wasn't Android 6 when it finally started to "Look" like Android of today?

[frigid condor]

honestly android 6 was a mild upgrade from android 5

Android 12 is when they overhauled the UI to look more like today's android

[fiery panther]

They should put LineageOS on those devices or something

[long sapphire]

if it low power non touch screen.
it is much better to use linux over android.
but as luna mention, their company xu direction is to use android over linux.

[clever verge]

I see Android 11 looking very similar to current Android

But it was more when Android stopped looking like a Windows Desktop

[clever verge]

I'm sure there will be a Linux Kernel if it's a RK chip

[steel herald]

This is an RK3188 Android device, which has sold tens of thousands of units. The emulator has excellent compatibility, low power consumption, low heat generation, and very stable operation.

[solemn pumice]

Now all there is left is WiFi

[steel herald]

Enough to run GBA, PS and SFC

Is Wi-Fi useful for a device of this level?

The RK3188 supports HDMI output and has a built-in video chip. Adding a Wi-Fi module to a clamshell design would increase the device's size.

[solemn pumice]

It allows for Retro Achievements, would be a pity to resort to using a dongle

[steel herald]

Okay, let's think about Wi-Fi.

[sharp cloud]

is it sufficient to run "mgba" core in retroarch for gba? and any room left for fast forwarding?

[solemn pumice]

That‘s a very good question because even the h700 had a few outliers when I came to mgba + ff

[zealous jolt]

that frontend is ass

[sharp cloud]

it should perform better than the H700, especially if its at 1.8 ghz, at least on paper for the cpu

[zealous jolt]

thats hilarious

aint no way you just said 4 A9 cores would outperform 4 A53 cores, that's not even mentioning the shitty mali 400 gpu (same garbage thats in the miyoo a30's soc)

like maybe with that overclock, but then how unstable will it be

[sharp cloud]

its a 2007 out of order "large core" vs a 2012 in order small core. It should perform comparably (if not with a tiny edge) at the same clock speed, and the H700 stays at 1.5ghz? And i did mention CPU.

the A53 is the "small" core successor to the A7 (the efficient lineup/series)

[long sapphire]

cost is the most important factor.
if adding wifi chip will increase the cost too much then dont.
u need to release the product at a killer price.
clamshell design but r36s price.
then u will have a megahit to be the king of clamshell.

[steel herald]

I'll test it later

Do you have any suggestions for designing 4:3 equipment?

[frigid condor]

Didn't Ampown advertise this as running an A55 chip?

Sean mentioned this device before as running an A9 chip, but I figured MagicX upgraded it

[frigid condor]

make it pretty

[frigid condor]

i wonder if magicx's access to the rk3188 is from that same third party that gave them those fake rk3562s or not

[static aurora]

Yeah, this is it:)

[woven shell]

I really do think that as long as you're hitting the under $50 USD shipped mark, the exact chipset doesn't exactly matter.

However, I will just ask this: Why not the RK3326?

One reason the R36 clone genre is so popular is because when you make an RK3326 device, you're done. You just put Rocknix or similar JELOS on it and it just works

the other major thing is that you can pick up an R36 from anywhere

especially Amazon

Now, I don't know what the legalities or difficulties in selling on Amazon as a China-based company is right now, but if the layperson can click one button and get games in their hand, that's the best method to do it

Always remember that the R36 is most popular with people that aren't into handhelds as a hobby—only as a fleeting toy that they only ever purchase one of.

[sharp cloud]

I think they are staying away from bundled games with Linux cfw (at least out of the box) due to some new crackdown?

[steel herald]

Since the launch of R36, any retro device manufacturer with development capabilities will never choose RK3326

The R36 is a vintage equipment maker's nightmare

Forget the RK3326, even the RK3566 wouldn't work. If the device sells well, at least 10 companies in China will copy it within two months. Anyone can build equipment with an open source system.

[solemn pumice]

It’s popular because it’s cheap

That‘s it

[solemn pumice]

Sounds like what powkiddy did and look what happened to them

[long sapphire]

hi Luna,
thanks for explaination.
now i love XU retro chat group.
it give u the insight of how china
retro games industry operates.
it is really very cut throat and very competitive.
after the release of
ayaneo pocket mini,
mangmi air x and
also xu dream 1.
the table has changed.
mid tier became the new budget tier devices.
therefore u are right.
only ultra budget clamshell design device will able to survive this new competition.
u must price it around 30-35.
it must perform better than r36s for all the games.
you will able to get your winning retro device.
Continue to work hard Luna 💕

[tawdry vessel]

😅

[solemn pumice]

Now also tell her to include WiFi and we’re gucci

[robust raven]

not getting my hopes up for that clamshell until its out

but that would be an instant buy fs

[steel herald]

The A527's dual screens get quite hot, making them unusable for extended periods without active cooling fans.

[tawny swan]

no way they plan to use 527 for DS ...

[steel herald]

MagicX is crazy, One35 is cheaper than Dream 1

[tawny swan]

time to make Dream cheaper

[dry sierra]

dream has a better screen, I don't think it needs to go lower

[bronze yew]

if shipping is also $19 instead of $10 now, they better mark it down to $56

[fringe cedar]

Me begging for Dream40 updates after returning to even more One35 chatter

[bronze yew]

weird XU Retro still has $10 shipping

hope they keep that tho

especially as they sell a lot of cheaper devices, higher shipping would definitely have a negative impact on sales

[twilit rapids]

Just found out about the Dream which is exactly was I was looking for as a horizontal, handheld systems based emulator with Android and now I see Magic X has another one. I guess the 4 inch would feel a bit better in larger hand

[long sapphire]

if xuretro release xu dream 1. suddenly the mid tier category will be very crowded and how to compete for attention.
i think better XU retro get luna design clamsell selling at 30-35 to fight the retro devices battle to have high sales volume.

[fiery panther]

I think I'm more interested on this than the Tone35 now

What screens did this things are gonna have?

[bronze yew]

4" 960x720

[fringe cedar]

Anything else to add?

[fiery panther]

Aspect ratio

[bronze yew]

4:3 dude, like why even ask

[fiery panther]

What happened to the 16:9 one

[bronze yew]

that should also happen, but ship later

[fiery panther]

Hmmm

[bronze yew]

that's 5" 1280x720 tho

[fiery panther]

Any pics, I kinda don't check this channel that much

[fringe cedar]

The Dream40 already has attention with it's price to performance ratio, nice screen, and no frills retro aesthetic.

I don't want or care about a £30 clamshell that can play PS1 and below. There's already an ocean of devices that are doing the "cheap and cheerful" schtick. Why flood the space with more of the same?

Dream40 grabbed my attention for affordable performance in a nice design.

[fiery panther]

Can we have this color please

[bronze yew]

unfortunately unlikely

[fiery panther]

Well

Waiting for something else more interesting then

That looks actually pretty

[long sapphire]

yes i know. but dream 40 is directly competing with pocket mini as it is also 4:3 aspect ratio 4 inches but pocket mini has a faster processor at g90t. xu dream 1 will be cheaper at 66 dollar. but suddenly there is magicX one35 selling at 55 with 3.5 inches 3:2 aspect ratio. it sandwich between these 2 devices. magicX i thought is like a sister company to xuretro?

[fringe cedar]

Are you referring to the Retroid Pocket Mini that is £160 before shipping?

[steel herald]

Flip 640
RK3188 1.6GHz
3.5-inch screen, 960x640
AliExpress price: approximately $38

Flip 320
RK3188T 1.4GHz
3.5-inch screen, 480x320
AliExpress price: approximately $30

[long sapphire]

ayaneo pocket mini selling at 70 dollar using g90t

[long sapphire]

hi luna
what is different between rk3188 vs rk3188t

[steel herald]

Affordable flip devices are our top priority right now.

[sharp cloud]

Better to use the regular price as a reference

[sharp cloud]

I assume no emmc, is the price inclusive of the OS/system microsd?
Or is it no-sdcard price?

[steel herald]

In the fierce battle area, MagicX is on the battlefield

[fringe cedar]

Ugh. More landfill handheld chat for people to buy off TikTok Shop...

Can someone tag me when there's actually some news about the Dream40 🙏

[bronze yew]

I honestly don't think there is any space for the Flip 320, that's the same old screen we have in so many devices... and the Flip 640 may have a hard time against the price of the One 35 right now

[bronze yew]

I hope Dream One 40 and 50 are your top priority right now

[fringe cedar]

Seems like it's 3rd of 4th down the list after they got everyone to do some free promo work for them 🙄

[twilit rapids]

Honestly I would replace my 35xxsp with an android version.

[bronze yew]

that won't be Android, but e-waste

[steel herald]

MagicX will definitely push G85 with all their strength, otherwise they won't be able to get the MTK special offer A78Soc. If they want to defeat their opponents with overwhelming advantage, they can only win in the next game with a complete PS2 device for $99.

[sharp cloud]

this is just something in concept/design phase (so might not even come out), doubt this is coming earlier (if ever) than the dream 40

[bronze yew]

honestly would be way more exited for the "Flip 640" if it used the G85 as well

[rare junco]

So I guess Dream40/50 delay confirmed 😕

Not sure what I can trust about MagicX/XU right now tbh

[fringe cedar]

Well since the pics of the Dream40 & 50 shell there's been absolute silence from XU and all the focus has been on the One35 and theoretical landfill handhelds...

I'm personally in this channel for one reason only. And it's not a R36 successor or any MagicX product

[fringe cedar]

So much this 🫠

[bronze yew]

I just want these companies to follow through with what they announce within a reasonable time frame, is that too much to ask

Dream One 40+50 better be up for pre-order by the end of this month

and then give me my Dream Two with the 3:2 screen 😭

[steel herald]

Due to the decline in sales of retro devices and MTK's failure to provide low-cost SoC channels for MagicX, many MagicX devices are currently unable to be produced.

[fringe cedar]

Don't get people to spread advertising on your behalf for a product that maybe won't ever exist is all I will say.

It sours the brand - just being honest

[jolly kettle]

Yeah maybe start advertising once you've gotten past the engineering sample stage

And you're ready to confirm that the product will be released

And schedules are set in stone and stuff

[steel herald]

The projects we are currently working on day and night are an ultra-low-cost flip device and an ultra-low-cost dual-screen flip device.

[jolly kettle]

Ooo joining the DS wars

[steel herald]

Dream series MagicX will definitely be launched

[long sapphire]

ayaneo using super early bird and later they will extend again. infact once they able to reach volume they may at the end fix at 70 dollar. the use super early bird trick to ensure people will rush to order the devices. look at their konkr fit, suddenly they extend 1 more month. ayaneo is really very tricky and smart. using people fomo and get people to order their devices.

[fringe cedar]

I can only speak for myself but I've gone from "Finally something i might consider replacing my RGB30 with" to "Not sure if I can believe or care anymore" in just a few weeks.

I appreciate the openness of XU/Luna on all of this but the messaging and sequence of events has been really confusing...

[bronze yew]

wasn't Dream supposed to be an XU Retro device, damn you guys make this more confusing than it has to be

[steel herald]

We are now planning a dual-screen flip phone, with a 4-inch 640x480 screen priced at around $60 and a 4-inch 960x720 screen priced at around $80.

[fringe cedar]

Preach brother

[long sapphire]

there is a serious mid tier competition out there.
XU retro will also must time their release and to know whether their product can reach the target sale volume. with so many companies like ayaneo, mangmi, magicX coming in. they must think about it.

[sharp cloud]

I think you all just prefer if they operate like anbernic etc, and just reveal products when it's to be sold instead of involving us in the earlier stages (including plans that may be cancelled)

[jolly kettle]

A flip phone? Or a flip handheld (asking in case your translator isn't cooperating)

[jolly kettle]

How much RAM and storage?

[frosty hare]

rk3188 💀

[bronze yew]

those are e-waste devices, no storage, max 1gb RAM, linux

[sharp cloud]

Might not be competitive against anbernic DS, if you have more knowledge on their plans

[frosty hare]

640x480 is pretty shitty for ds

960x720 is better

[long sapphire]

yes, luna is a great idea.
if u use the right processor maybe a bit of 3ds.
but ds should not be a problem.
i need your device to replace my aging ds lite. 🙂

[steel herald]

The dual-screen design has been planned for a long time. The current retro device market is like a battlefield, with unpredictable changes.

I guess that in the fierce competition between G90T, G85 and 662, the sales of the three models will not be good, and all three projects will lose money in the end.

[bronze yew]

the Mangmi is bound to fail IMO, but the Air Mini will sell

the G85 devices entirely depend on the price point tho, at ~$75 shipped they should do fine enough

[solemn pumice]

No one‘s gonna buy the 320 when the 640 exists ._.

[solemn pumice]

Yeah that thing has to go

[bronze yew]

honestly, I'm not sure if anyone is gonna buy that... the Flip 640 would be interesting if it was a G85 too tho

[sharp cloud]

I would consider it at its current price if the rk3188 can run mgba decently (hopefully some room for fast forwarding) .
Definitely not interested in a g85 to inflate the price for what would be a gba only device.

[steel herald]

They all lost money, believe me.

[steel herald]

As long as the price is low, there will be a market, and it is a flip device

[long sapphire]

Thanks Luna for providing on the insight about this retro handheld industry. really very educational:)

[long sapphire]

i agreed 🙂 luna keep it up.

[solemn pumice]

640 is literally only $8 more though ._.

You know what

If they more expensive version was WiFi

Go for it ;))

[twilit rapids]

The trade off for cheap Android devices is no WiFi?

[solemn pumice]

If there’s no WiFi we blame David

[zealous jolt]

You sure?

[fringe cedar]

Guy is single handedly derailing the Dream40 and XU's future 🤣

[sharp cloud]

That was the first time they did it for their IGG campaigns. they need to extend the SEB again and again for the konkr because it was selling terribly (at least internationally), the SEB price need to be permanent to make sense against the Odin3. They don't really need to do that for the pocket air mini unless competitors make more aggressive moves.

[fringe cedar]

To some extent. It's interesting to be given an insight and maybe even slight influence into the process.

My gripe with this situation is that it was shown off to us as a render, with full specifications revealed and even pricing structure in an advertisement format - which we were encouraged to share and post elsewhere in other handheld communities etc.

Only to find out a week or two later it's just a hypothetical device that is tentatively on a production schedule behind other devices that are also delayed or in the planning stages.

That's just unnecessary FeelsBad™️ in my eyes 🤷‍♂️