2025 XU Product Slate

[dry sierra]

basically a handheld, you can get a telescopic controller for it for like 20 bucks

[tawny swan]

😄

[dry sierra]

what difference does it make? if anything it's better then if it was permanently attached

And you would call that a handheld

[tawny swan]

at minimum it doesnt have normal cooling, at maximum firmware

[dry sierra]

do you think the ktr1 has any cooling?

[tawny swan]

ik it does

but not active, only passive

like on any other cheap handheld

[remote swallow]

Yeah, just like the Razer Edge. /s

Should note I’m mainly agreeing on the fact that cooling doesn’t necessitate it being a handheld, but that attachable controls also doesn’t exclude them.

[tawny swan]

Edge has good cooling

active fan

this why it can handle 888 dragon

[remote swallow]

Wait, how the hell did it have a fan?

How big was it?

[tawny swan]

small

u realy believe before it possible to hold 888 without active cooling?

[remote swallow]

How much space did it take up?

Jesus Christ this is tiny! How the hell did this thing cool a G3X Gen 1?!

[tawny swan]

its more than enough

[remote swallow]

I thought it was just software limited to ensure it wouldn’t get too hot. I didn’t think they had one of the smallest fans I’ve ever seen in it.

[tawny swan]

now u know

Edge was good device

except price

[remote swallow]

Jesus, how much did that thing even help?

[tawny swan]

heavy

[radiant lantern]

They're really underrated rn imo, I got one for $190 refurbished

[tawny swan]

yeah, now they cheap true

[remote swallow]

Like what rpm can it max out at?

[tawny swan]

noone measure

@remote swallow same size

with Oppo K13 Turbo pro phone

and probably i see in handhelds the same size ... let me check

[remote swallow]

I think the smallest fan I’ve ever seen in a handheld would be the RP Flip 1 and even that is potentially still around 1-2 mm bigger.

[remote swallow]

I say “potentially” because I didn’t even know the Razer Edge had a fan to begin with, so I’m absolutely not sure of what the specific size of it is, plus I admittedly never measured the size of my Flip 1’s fan.

[tawny swan]

i can say it the same size

with different case

[remote swallow]

Fair enough then, although that just makes me more confused on how well the Razer Edge works in cooling since holy crap the Flip-1’s fan was not great.

You know what, I’ll ask someone I know that did get it.

[tawny swan]

that bc dumb fan place

[remote swallow]

Wait, what happened to Superbottle?

[tawny swan]

absolutely wrong ...

[remote swallow]

Did I miss something?

[tawny swan]

what is that?

[remote swallow]

He was another member of the server. Apparently there’s emphasis on the “was”.

[tawny swan]

he definitely leave us

btw, G3x Gen1 is just overclocked snapdragon 888+ (multicore lower on g5, g6 similar)

[tawny swan]

looks not much, but for real it is ...

3 loops in row

and compare with any other 888 device

OG Retro Tech Dad when he make solid performance testing ... Miss it 🙁

[sharp cloud]

Fan by itself doesn't do much, it needs a decent sized heatsink + sufficient vents (intake and exhaust), which many of these devices just don't have.

[tawny swan]

even pocket clasic have

or u talk about this crap? (flip 1)

[sharp cloud]

oh, I talking about phones/tablets in general, those touting themselves as gaming XXXX

[tawny swan]

they have also too (sufficient vents)

[tawny swan]

@remote swallow up

[remote swallow]

What’s going on?

[tawny swan]

check what i send before

[lusty marten]

Does anyone know if the XU20 will have bluetooth and hdmi out

[rare junco]

Oh shit great progress

[rare junco]

It has neither

[livid herald]

Kinda surprised the XU20 doesn't have BT

Lack of HDMI out isn't surprising given A133 doesn't seem to have that

[fiery panther]

Does it need it?

It is more focused to play retro more than anything else-

And a media player

I guess for headphones?

[livid herald]

True

But given it has Android, I kinda would've expected it. Eh, probably just for headphones

[fiery panther]

I guess you can just use it as like an ipod

Long cables

It has headphone jack

[sinful mortar]

strange it doesnt makes me wonder what wifi chip they used that doesnt have BT

seeing as both the allwinner recommended/supported ones do for that chipset

[storm warren]

lets goo

[rare junco]

Yeah, headphones. And, in the case of the XU20, I guess for Bluetooth controllers as well if you really need to play something with sticks.

[fiery panther]

Well the objective of this console is to have the bare minimum

And be a cheap Trimui Brick with Android and touch screen

[rare junco]

Yeah, that's good enough for this thing. With the Zero28 MagicX said it's because they couldn't fit a Bluetooth chip in there. With this, I guess it's just because they wanted to shave off an extra dollar or two from the final price.

[sharp cloud]

Competition for H40? 👀

#1399461495393484911 message

[tawny swan]

could be, but way more powerful

[dreamy lark]

the "hasn't been used" makes me think 4.5" but the "small" makes me think less than 4"

[tawny swan]

nah, it cant be less

They need to sell it to as many new users as possible in order to establish themselves as an affordable brand for any budget, the ultimate device.

and most people perceive 4'' and above

[glad oriole]

The following is an urgent notice:

Affected Products (XU20 V32): Orders placed before August 30, 2025

We discovered a control issue with the XU20 on August 28. We take this issue very seriously and have provided a video reproducing the issue.
Since the package has already been shipped to the customer's destination country, we offer two solutions:

1. If you receive the device and believe it is not affected (this issue may require a firm button press due to varying pressure levels), we will refund you $5.
2. We will send you a replacement repair part (including a screwdriver); you will need to remove the back cover and replace the rear bezel.

Instructions for replacing the part are included in the video.

We deeply regret this issue. Because this issue requires a firm button press, we discovered it only during subsequent testing.

We will be announcing this issue in our store and ask early XU20 users to contact us for a solution. We encourage you to report this issue on Reddit or other social media platforms so that we can promptly notify early users.

Devices ordered after August 30th do not experience this issue (you can test it by following our reproduction video).

Please contact us at [email protected] and one of our account managers will assist you.

[rare junco]

@glad oriole
Well the repair looks easy enough. Can we contact you for the replacement parts before we receive the package?

[glad oriole]

Yes, you can contact directly by email.

[burnt current]

Oh good thinking

I will do that now

[zealous jolt]

It’s a bit hard to see but is there no mesh over the ventilation holes like there was on the zero28? If this is the case I’d imagine a lot of dust would get inside the shell

[remote swallow]

(Looks and sees my order was placed on the 25th)
Well shit.

[viral ice]

As happens surprisingly frequently I am once again happy I didn’t preorder but still want this thing

[fiery panther]

Wish I waited as well.

[burnt current]

It's a very easy fix at least

I just won't be able to fix it until like 2 weeks after I get the device

[lyric totem]

I watched the video and still can't tell what the issue is.

[burnt current]

Basically, if you press one of the face buttons hard enough, you'll register a shoulder button input as well

It's an oversight with the plastic parts that keep the shoulder buttons in place

Most people wouldn't even know it's a problem if XU Retro kept their mouth shut, since you need a lot of force for the shoulder button input to even be made

[bronze yew]

you literally only need to put something on the plastic part that will act as a spacer, especially with the force required to even activate the buttons, something like this https://aliexpress.com/item/1005006179769588.html or just two layers of double sided tape most likely would already suffice, as it's just about keeping the PCB away from the triggers

[remote swallow]

Yeah, I already emailed them asking for the fix to be sent to me, just to be safe. If they respond back and say it would be better for me to wait until I get mine delivered (to be sure that the issue is present or not) I’m fine with that.

[bronze yew]

they already said you can contact them already, so they probably will just send it to ya

it's not like the issue wouldn't be present, just that you may not mind it

[burnt current]

They already told me they'd be sending mine in the next 3-5 days

[remote swallow]

Alright sick, good to know they’re willing to send them before the actual devices are delivered.

[burnt current]

This was about 10 hours ago

Since they're in China or HK, they're probably all asleep rn

[static aurora]

Emailed 7h ago, still waiting for reply

[fiery panther]

Same

Maybe they won't answer more

[glad oriole]

Actual size comparison between H40/50 and One35

[vagrant iris]

H40/H50 are actually not that big, nice

[burnt current]

Still have to take into account protruding sticks and analogue triggers, but yeah, this is quite nice

I'm worried about the H50's ergo though

[static aurora]

Just got reply 👍

[left niche]

wait a minute ..... white dpads are a thing now?

[glad oriole]

H50 has changed the joystick position, the picture is the earlier 3D

[frigid condor]

Is it more close to the screen now?

[storm warren]

Chunky boy! Really like the color.

[zealous jolt]

Dang these are delivering already

[zealous jolt]

How’s the dpad? Any false diagonals?

Also can you dump the dawn apk, I want to see if it’s usable on the zero28

[frigid condor]

4PX was surprisingly fast

the lions came for my xu20 before I did so I woke up to find a torn up box outside my cathouse

[zealous jolt]

I like the upgraded heat sink they slapped on there, it actually covers the whole chip

Looks like I was right earlier that they’re not putting mesh over the vent holes for some reason

[frigid condor]

probably because it’s being entirely covered by the heatsink

[zealous jolt]

Oo you may be right

[frigid condor]

I’m interested in what’s with the huge bezel on the device

[burnt current]

Those membranes look extremely similar to XU10's

[zealous jolt]

Ooh I’m happy to see that they’re using membranes different from the zero28

Buttons on the xu10 were okay?

[burnt current]

I loved them

Reviewers in general said they were great

But people who never used the damn thing said they sucked because the D-pad was a split design

[frigid condor]

the firmware on the xu20 has this new control layout feature

I think the Xbox mode actually does mock the Xbox controller as it fixes my controller problems when I use it

[storm warren]

Does someone have the download link for the SD image? I remember it being posted, cant seem to find it

[frigid condor]

https://github.com/Magicx-Breeze/XU20_V32/releases/tag/XU20_v1

[dreamy lark]

do you guys have a an horizontal handheld lying around that we could compare them to? like a gba or so

[glad oriole]

Perfect replacement, reissue started in the next 2 days

Xu20 and Xu10 membranes look the same, but they are actually different. XU20 is better.

[storm warren]

Its definitely present on my device, but you really need to press hard

[glad oriole]

If I do not disclose this hidden defect, normal operation will not find the problem and it will not affect normal use.

[storm warren]

As far as I am concerned, you handled it perfectly. I'm just going to spin up the printer with the stl you provided, no big deal.

[glad oriole]

I hope you will test and evaluate it as soon as possible

[rare junco]

I don't know if it's a deliberate design choice, but touch devices tend to be more comfortable with some bezels. Some room for slide gestures, and fewer unintentional touches for if you want to hold it by the screen bezels.

Dammit, mine has been stuck at the destination airport for a couple of days without updates 😢

I want to play everyone's favorite cat game on it 😢

[burnt current]

I presume mine hasn't moved because it was the weekend

[storm warren]

Works perfectly now 👍

[jolly kettle]

You mean the dpad/trigger one or something different?

[burnt current]

Pretty sure that's what Luna's talking about, yeah

There's a reason why XU Retro themselves didn't discover the issue until after launch

[glad oriole]

Please give your evaluation on the screen, direction keys, heat generation, grip, and Aurora (Dawn) launcher.

[burnt current]

Is Aurora what XU Retro's version is Dawn is going to be called?

[languid dagger]

Hopefully the upcoming XU35 HU50 don't have any major issues (or at all)🙏🙏

[fiery panther]

XuRetro is sending me the piece in a week

[zealous jolt]

Would anyone who’s gotten their XU20 unit mind dumping the Dawn/Aurora apk file for me? I’d like to try it out on the zero28 to see if it’s compatible

You can use CX file explorer to backup the app, here’s the apk for that: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q0xhZAWSXHOIgEZLgRlPCYh5vEmDnW49/view?usp=drivesdk

Please and thank you ❤️

[burnt current]

Seems I'll be getting my XU20 tomorrow or Wednesday

Really looking forward to it

[bronze yew]

me still waiting for my XU Pocket ACE

November is still so far away

[static aurora]

Looks like it's local delay here, supposed to be delivered tomorrow, but still no updates with AnPost🤔

[burnt current]

Yeah, I'm still at "Goods dispatched from warehouse".

[woven shell]

I like the ergos honestly

MMP already proved this is fine

Just am not a fan of the bezels

Would've preferred a 3.5" with smaller bezels ala the miyoo

@glad oriole will the Xu20 be sold by Ampown at any point or is it exclusive to the new Xu site?

[zealous jolt]

Na a 3.5in 640x480 screen is the last thing this device needed lol

[dry sierra]

can we just forget about ever using 3.5 inch 640x480 on any device?

we already got thousands

who's gonna buy it if it's just the same thing thousands of other devices have?

only justifiable reason a device should have this screen if it's much cheaper than the competition

[woven shell]

At no point did I ever say 480p

[dreamy lark]

considering most clamshells break its hinges and that theres no replacement for the 2s? we're far from done and thats without including oled

[dry sierra]

Well I'm just talking about handhelds in general since this specific screen got brought up

[glad oriole]

XU40 H45

[clever verge]

That is the 3:2, Right? With the d7050?

[glad oriole]

D7050 4:3

[clever verge]

Oh hell yes! 4:3, so much nicer

[glad oriole]

H44 is 3:2

[clever verge]

Hard to keep track of all of the devices y'all teasing

H45, what size Screen is that?

[glad oriole]

XU is a competitor's device, so it is easy to confuse and difficult to track

[dry sierra]

not a huge fan of the bottom bezel on this device but aside from that It shows some promise

[glad oriole]

H stands for horizontal format
45 stands for 4.5 inches

[clever verge]

4.5", 4:3, with a d7050 👀

[glad oriole]

yes

[clever verge]

Does this one release 2026?

[sharp cloud]

Resolution?

[dry sierra]

yeah the 4:3 one looks much more impressive

[sharp cloud]

Would be nice if the same screen can be paired with a lower end chipset for another cheaper device, maybe in the x30 series

[glad oriole]

D7050 is a promotional parameter. MagicX confirmed the SOC before it was finally released. They have a unilateral commercial confidentiality agreement with us.

[frigid condor]

It’s not a 7050?

[glad oriole]

This kind of high-end screen costs more than 30 US dollars to purchase, and it is impossible to match it with low-end equipment. It is the same as matching a 10-speed gearbox with a 1.3 fuel engine.

[sharp cloud]

Maybe some tweaked variants, mediatek tends to keep releasing new models/names that seems to be a rehash of older ones, maybe +100-200 Hz or so.

[sharp cloud]

Oh if it does cost that much more than that make sense.

I personally only will run gba on a 3:2 screen, so spending on a 7050 class/priced device for that seems overkill.

[glad oriole]

MagicX is developing at least 6 MTK platforms and one Qualcomm platform, so it is possible to upgrade before the release.

[frigid condor]

Qualcomm???

[glad oriole]

yes

[frigid condor]

[bronze yew]

sd 8gen2 MagicX incoming

[glad oriole]

XU will release popular devices simultaneously.

Performance, price, and advantages

[glad oriole]

I guess so too.

I have said before that their team is crazy. As far as I know, they have more than 20 sets of molds.

[dreamy lark]

is this one new?

[burnt current]

I'm not sure if we've seen that particular render before, but the device itself was confirmed to be in the works in early August

We had a poll for what form factor and aspect ratio + screen size it was gonna have

It was between the 3:2 4.5" horizontal you see now, and a 16:9 16:9 horizontal as well as a vertical with big af 4:3 screen

[bronze yew]

nah, I willed the XU Pocket ACE into existence a while ago, comes out November

[dreamy lark]

was the magicx that was the touch one without the funny controls ever rebranded to a XU model?

with a 3.5" as well

mini one 34

[glad oriole]

Traditional classic look, this type of device will surely be a competitor, they give it to XURetro, innovation + expensive development cost device MagicX

[burnt current]

We as a community voted for them to change from a 4.1" display to a 3.4" one

But then the project got cancelled because MagicX wanted to focus on more zany handhelds

You could say that the XU35 H40 is similar enough to what we ended up voting for

[dreamy lark]

zany?

[jolly kettle]

So this is your answer to the Pocket Air Mini..

Or Anbernic's RG476H

Another 4:3 Unisoc T820 device

[jolly kettle]

Cough cough mangmi

[jolly kettle]

At least 1280x960

[jolly kettle]

Also have you guys considered high refresh rate screens? Even if they were like 90Hz or something

Since anbernic is pumping out these BOE 120Hz screen handhelds

[glad oriole]

The XU40 is expected to be priced around $130.

The positioning is cheap and practical, and it is unrealistic to want a 120Hz screen

[burnt current]

Unrealistic?

Because of the price point?

[glad oriole]

Yes, because it is the pricing

[tawny swan]

130$ for D900, isnt its too much?

U can now get rp4pro for 150 :/

[bronze yew]

#1412741270069317705 tho 😅

[burnt current]

D7350 is level with D900 IIRC?

What can the D900 actually do

[tawny swan]

no

[bronze yew]

D7050 = D900
D7350 = D1100

[burnt current]

Ohh

[tawny swan]

so ...

[burnt current]

D1100 is quite a bit stronger than T820 I'm pretty sure

[tawny swan]

way stronger

without ''sale''

[tawny swan]

T820 its shit, like snap 845 but with way weaker support

1100 different lvl soc at all like snap 865, but with better gpu raw

[lone jolt]

the screen is not great on the rp4 though

[tawny swan]

its good for lcd

[glad oriole]

The literal meaning of something is not enough. We will also compare it with the competitors in the market.

[tawny swan]

ofc

[burnt current]

Idk what screen problems RP3/4 have

[glad oriole]

The D7350 is more than just a little bit stronger than the D1100, and even stronger than the 865

[tawny swan]

True

also efficiency boost huge

xu40 will be top with 7350

but

[lone jolt]

they are iPhone 7-8 screens I believe, the response time, blurring is not good

colours and brightness were decent though

[burnt current]

iPhone 4 screen reigns supreme RAAHHHHHH

[tawny swan]

[zealous jolt]

You also have to account for shipping on the rp4pro and 406x, as buying either from anbernic or will cost an extra $20-50 in shipping and taxes. Assuming XU keeps the shipping at $10

[burnt current]

@glad oriole What's the charging rate on the XU35?

[jolly kettle]

Aye nice pricing there

That'll put a dent in anbernic's armour

[jolly kettle]

XU40 will be D7050

XU50 will be D7350

[tawny swan]

ik, this why complain about price

[jolly kettle]

Ahh

Yea the rp4 pro will be stiff competition for the xu40

[jolly kettle]

D7050 is a slightly higher clocked D900 yes

Rebranded D1080

[tawny swan]

killer* if they really put that high price

not competitor

1100 its 865 lvl chipset

[jolly kettle]

Are retroid even still producing 4 pros?

[tawny swan]

ig

price stable everywhere

many sales

[jolly kettle]

I mean XU could undercut the Pocket 5 and Pocket Mini V2 with a D7350 device at ~$170..

[tawny swan]

they should undercut every budget to get a solid place on market

[jolly kettle]

Retroid have discontinued the 4gb+64gb pocket classic I think

That was $99

[tawny swan]

no

[jolly kettle]

They all seem to be 'sold out' or unavailable

The 6+128 version is $130

[tawny swan]

sold out yes on eu market

[jolly kettle]

I mean on retroid's site

[static aurora]

Anpost just updated status, it's due for delivery for tomorrow 🎉

[burnt current]

I also just got a text saying that

[jolly kettle]

So it could end up being a better SoC than that for all we know...👀

[sharp cloud]

I think depend on when they releasing it as well

If it keeps getting delayed like the one35, you either need to drop the price or change to a better soc

[solemn pumice]

You think it’ll be another P65 -> G85 Situation?
Maybe they’ll do it if they competition requires it.
The market and price-segment is getting super saturated right now with the RG476H and Pocket Air Mini on the way

[tawny swan]

there no bad chips, just bad prices

[dry sierra]

how can I aquire this wisdom?

[errant mauve]

Im surprised mine made it into my state with all the issues going on

Excited to see how tiny it is

[viral ice]

I am also interested in its size, seems like a neat little android guy to carry instead of the typical Linux guys

[glad oriole]

XU Retro Announcement: Original XU35 now XU30

Cancel the XU35 name

[rare junco]

XU35 was the one with the G85?

[glad oriole]

Yes

New Devices
XU Classic
XU Pocket

[gleaming oak]

these are better names than numbers, you should rename all devices to give them a proper name, XU30 H40 is a terrible name. create a line of devices that share the same specs and call them something, like Ayn with Odin, Thor, Loki

[obsidian kraken]

Agreed. The naming is an absolute mess. So confusing.

[glad oriole]

Most of the Chinese sales agents do not understand English, and the industry is usually numerical code.

[gleaming oak]

you can have the numbers and then you can add a codename that is much more interesting for the western markets

[glad oriole]

XU Classic
XU Pocket
These two models were originally planned to use the Allwinner A73 SoC in the XU30, but now use the A76 SoC, so the model numbers need to be changed.

[gleaming oak]

or use everyday words that translate easy between mandarin and english, like XU30 "Wind" H40, XU20 "Flow" V32 or something like it

it was just a thought, but if you look at every reviewer in the western world they can't pinpoint what every device does besides the screen size and that is vertical/horizontal. i only saw complaints about the terrible naming scheme MagicX and XURetro have, also Anbernic suffers from this problem. most chinese handhelds have their names like their serial numbers, that is terrible

[vagrant iris]

what screens do they use? XU Pocket looks like 3:2

[glad oriole]

3.5-inch, 960x640
Same screen as the One35

[bronze yew]

wait wait, now it's even more confusing

XU10 - RK3326
XU20 - A133P
XU30 - D7050
XU40 - D7350

where is the G85?

also the XU Pocket should have the same G85 as the One35 IMO

don't make this complicated with some weird ass SoC, just give me the same damn thing with a different form factor

[vagrant iris]

so finally we will have a nice update to RG351p

[jolly kettle]

No

XU30 = G85

XU40 = D7050

XU50 = D7350

[bronze yew]

oh okay

[jolly kettle]

Unless I've missed something yea

[jolly kettle]

A733 huh

GPU performance down the shitter

[bronze yew]

so they finally listened to my complaints of the XU35 naming being stupid

XU10 - rk3326 (XU10, XU Mini M)
XU20 - a133p (XU20 V32)
XU30 - g85 (XU30 H40, XU30 H50, XU Classic ?, XU Pocket?)
XU40 - d7050 (XU40 H44, XU40 H45, XU40 H55)
XU50 - d7350 (?)

man this is getting a tad bit confusing to follow

[sharp cloud]

Hmm, so the a73 is scrapped? Would be a pity if it was intended to be priced below the g85 devices

[sharp cloud]

Luna mentioned pocket and classic is a76, I don't think any of the announced soc is a76

[bronze yew]

I think they use enough SoCs already, a73 should rather be the upgrade for the XU20 line down the road or something

[bronze yew]

why make even more of a mess out of this

maybe just a typo, G85 is a A75

[sharp cloud]

Oh wait, the a733 is a76 with the looks-quite-bad IMG gpu

I don't mind the XUXX naming actually, as long as it is consistent

[bronze yew]

honestly between the XU30, XU40 and XU50 SoC choices XU can basically take the completely ignored low end Android market by themselves

[glad oriole]

The A76 used is not the A733

[sharp cloud]

Poor allwinner

[bronze yew]

where is that SoC supposed to fit into your naming scheme

[glad oriole]

China currently has over 300,000 low-end devices in stock.

3326
3566
H700
A133P
A523
A527

[glad oriole]

By 2026, the G85 will be considered an entry-level budget Android device.

[clever verge]

Who uses the a523? Don't think I have seen that chip yet?

[sharp cloud]

It's essentially the same as a527, just different lanes/ports/usb etc io stuff iirc

[clever verge]

Ah, more of the E6 crap and 1 Helegaly that got pulled

[bronze yew]

I would honestly don't give the low end stuff the time of the day, between the cheap R36 garbage and Anbernics rgXX line there is lil space IMO

the G85, D7050 and D7350 should be three solid SoCs to take a good position in the $80-160 market, especially in combination with the flat $10 shipping fee

now I have no idea what SoC the A76 is supposed to be and where it fits in, but well whatever

maybe a G99 just to throw a fuck you at the Ayaneo Pocket Micro 😂

[glad oriole]

Retro equipment will begin to plummet in market sales in late 2024. Low-priced machines used to sell very well, but now they sell very little. Chinese manufacturers are now losing money selling these low-end devices. The factories that produce R36 are losing money on every unit they sell.

[bronze yew]

there is lil left in the low end space that could be interesting, like a NEO GEO Pocket Color or Wonderswan clone would be rad, but that aside, Anbernics rgXX line basically covered all form factors already 😅

losing money on the R36 stuff is wild tho

[glad oriole]

The emergence of R36 has influenced the development of retro handheld game consoles.

XU classic 3.6-inch screen resolution 720*540

[burnt current]

It has potential

It's just barely capable of full N64 and DC AFAIK

It's not perfect for those systems, but it's very close

I can't remember which RH guy said it, but he compared the performance to the Retroid Pocket 2+

[sinful mortar]

only potential i've seen in it is as a hotplate

[clever verge]

Barely better than the 3566, but has a barely functional Linux Batocera Build. And Android as well

[static aurora]

🎉

[burnt current]

Wooo

[bronze yew]

I would be incredibly disappointed if the XU Pocket ain't at least matched the One35 in power

[burnt current]

I'm at work, so I won't be seeing mine for another 8-9 hours

[burnt current]

For people who like the screen and size but not dual D-pads?

[bronze yew]

I would get both honestly

[glad oriole]

Comment on this:
XU Classic 3.6-inch screen, 720*540 resolution

[burnt current]

Wuh???

What a weird screen

I actually really don't know how to feel about that

We rag on so many devices using a 640x480 panel, but it's decent for most uses

[clever verge]

XU Classic, is that now the G85? Or a76?

[burnt current]

It's only a bit higher than perfect SNES scaling, and PS1 was 640x480

[burnt current]

Think it's the Helegaly chipset

I can never remember the name

[clever verge]

A527

[glad oriole]

The screen resolution is a bit strange, but the colors are brilliant.

[clever verge]

I was gonna say, Skip interger scaling

Like people do with the Brick screen

[glad oriole]

A76

[burnt current]

Well the Brick is super high res, especially for its size

So obviously that's why

[bronze yew]

I mean.... the only stuff a 720x540 panel integer scales without black borders is GBA... also verticals aren't really my favorite, I already have way to many of them and the only one I genuinely enjoy using is the Pocket DMG 😂

[clever verge]

Good news, they have announced like 20 devices this week alone

[burnt current]

I've come to start noticing the pixel imbalance when playing GBA on a 640x480 panel

[jolly kettle]

MTK chip?? If so thank fuck

[static aurora]

Needs memory card with os, can't turn it on out of the box 😅

[burnt current]

And this will be a similar effect with SNES on the XU Classic

[clever verge]

Did you get the 0 SD card Option?

[frigid condor]

call XU30 H50 “XU Air X”

[dreamy lark]

which one is the classic and which one is the pocket?

[static aurora]

Yep

[glad oriole]

The newly planned A76 will primarily support dual-screen displays for the development of XU DS.
This A76 will not be released in MagicX devices, but only in three XU devices.

[burnt current]

Oh so it's still uncomfirmed

Is it not the A527?

[static aurora]

Yeah, I know, no any issues at all😅

[glad oriole]

The vertical version is classic, and the horizontal version is pocket-friendly.

[jolly kettle]

99% chance of it being an mtk chip

[dreamy lark]

if the touch one 35 is already 3:2 why do the same device twice?

[jolly kettle]

Or could be like a Snapdragon 7 series

Since magicx did say about having a qcom platform in development

[frigid condor]

is the xu ds a traditional clamshell style?

[jolly kettle]

But yeah 99% chance of MTK

[glad oriole]

The A527 is not suitable for handheld game consoles, but it should be good for hand warmers.

[burnt current]

Damn

Luna with the shade

again

[glad oriole]

It's a flip cover

[burnt current]

Well if you're active in the chat currently

Does XU30 and One 35 have the same charging speeds?

And what speed is that?

I'm sorry to ask so many times

I just wanna know lol

[frigid condor]

what if luna doesn’t know that?

[burnt current]

THEY SHOULD!!!!

Or they could just tell me "idk"

[frigid condor]

dude magicx didn’t even know if their devices supported usb-c to c charging, it’s not like they test charging speed

[jolly kettle]

Aya Pocket Air Mini has a 4.2" 1280x960 screen

[burnt current]

I just want to know the wattage or voltage or whatever

Mainly because I wanna see the next Cobalt graphic

[glad oriole]

It should be the same, the charging speed is 5V2A+, and the One35 is fully charged in 90 minutes.

[burnt current]

Aha

[frigid condor]

90 minutes for a 4300mah battery is pretty average amongst smartphones which is a good thing

how long does the mangmi charge

[burnt current]

Kit said yesterday that the G85 was like 5v3a I think

Well hopefully I can charge the One 35 without it blowing tf up and burning down my house

Anbernic still struggle with that

[burnt current]

Tbh you could probably just look that up from a review

I'd do it myself, but I'm at work

[dreamy lark]

i feel the screens on those two devices should be flipped, i dont think theres vertical 3:2 devices and a touch one 4:3 without the dual d pads would be better than using the same screen without the d-pads

[frigid condor]

i’m a cat do it for me

[spark cradle]

won't stop them from overpricing their products!

[frigid condor]

@glad oriole i recommend using the 4.5 inch 4:3s for xu ds

we want something bigger than dsi xl

[glad oriole]

The future of the 4:3 large-screen market will be very interesting.
There are currently four devices competing, and I'm optimistic that the Retro45 will be the winner.

[spark cradle]

while the XU30 V36 will win the small-screen 4:3 market

looks like an incredibly promising device if you guys can price if appropriately

[frigid condor]

i think that’s the xu classic now

[spark cradle]

yeah XU Classic, mb

I think that it can kill the entry to midrange vertical market if it's priced well

[clever verge]

Yep

G85, just a Great chip. Suck it anbernic

[glad oriole]

Now it has been renamed as XU Classic

[spark cradle]

Max Zhou isn't called 周割 for nothing!

[burnt current]

Main 3:2 vertical is the Powkiddy V10, which is decently well liked. The problem with 3:2 is that it's a wider aspect ratio, and wider screens don't pair so well with a vertical designs

[spark cradle]

割 is the Chinese character for slice/cut and has the same pronunciation as 哥 (which means brother) in Mandarin

[clever verge]

My keyboard doesn't have those characters

[frigid condor]

it’s not supposed to, you’re supposed to draw them

[clever verge]

I have a removable PC set up so I can't screen grab it

[spark cradle]

tbf I just use pinyin to type Chinese characters, it's all about the input software

[clever verge]

In just gonna go with its something derogatory

[spark cradle]

@clever verge

^explanation

周 = Zhou

[frigid condor]

cut zhou?

we lay off zhou from the workplace?

[spark cradle]

basically implies that he cuts/slices his customers

[frigid condor]

stellar customer service i hear

[clever verge]

Ah, checks out

[dreamy lark]

I think the problem with the v10 is mostly because of the bezels, and a 4:3 horizontal 3.6" would be the first of its kind

[spark cradle]

the figurative meaning is ripping off

[clever verge]

That is why the g350 is so cheap, and the 35xxPro is not lol

[spark cradle]

tbf we don't really have 4:3 vertical 3.6" devices either

most of them are 3.5"

[dreamy lark]

fair

[frigid condor]

where the hell does magicx and xu get these screens

why haven’t we heard any of these before

[burnt current]

What an oddball resolution

Reminds me of the Miyoo Mini V4

Which is 750x560

[clever verge]

Screen store

[spark cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-nanomachines-son-gif-25954092

[burnt current]

Because people are worried about the Ayaneo Pocket Air Mini's latency, I figured I'd see what the iPhone 4's is

[plucky halo]

Some shipping container yard somewhere 🤣

[burnt current]

Kitsune found a screen very similar in specs to the Pocket Air Mini's, and that had 32 ms of latency

Which has people worried

iPhone 4's screen is like 17 ms of latency

[clever verge]

If you cut a 16:9 Phone in half, you get 2 screens out of it

[burnt current]

@glad oriole Any idea what weight any of these devices will be?

Including XU30 and One 35

[sharp cloud]

Xu pocket (a76) going to be stronger than the one35 (g85)? Unless it's lower clocked or has a worse gpu

[bronze yew]

lets hope so

[burnt current]

I can't imagine so

[dry sierra]

if the bezels were better I would honestly be pretty interested

but you just simply lose too much screen size, or at the opposite end pocketability

[zealous jolt]

How’s the dpad feel?

[glad oriole]

If the XU20 screen had small black borders, the width of the device would become smaller and it would be uncomfortable to hold.

[static aurora]

Imho, dpad for zero28 and zero40 feels better

[remote swallow]

Lucky.

[spark cradle]

手很迷你的人可能會挺喜歡

[zealous jolt]

Oof are you serious? I hated the zero28 dpad cuz of how mushy it is and how easy it is to hit diagonals by accident. If the xu20 feels/performs worse than this I’m glad I didn’t buy one lol

[livid herald]

Somewhere in Alibaba, I bet

[static aurora]

Zero28 dpad is soft and comfortable to press, xu20 feels more mushy

[zealous jolt]

Ah I see. Man they really need to get in contact with someone at anbernic to see who’s supplying their membranes 😅

[burnt current]

What the hell????

Mushy???

Based on XU10 D-pad my fuckin ass

If I agree with it being mushy, I'll definitely have to try a membrane swap with the XU10

[glad oriole]

Oh my goodness!
The XU20's directional pad is so soft, I can't understand it. Sean and I both think it's the best directional pad on a $150 device.

[clever verge]

"People with Minature Hands Might Like It"

[glad oriole]

Many bloggers have conducted professional reviews on the XU20 directional keys.

[glad oriole]

Which GPU is better, Mali-G310 or Mali-G52?

[fiery panther]

I'll judge that when I receive mine

I was told the same with the Zero 28 and well

[solemn pumice]

well well well

look who it is

[fiery panther]

Can we get a glacier Zero 40 please

And green and purple

[clever verge]

G310 > G52

https://armkeil.blob.core.windows.net/developer/Files/pdf/product-brief/arm-gpu-processor-comparison-table.pdf

[sharp cloud]

I think too vague, unless you are comparing to just g52mp1

G310 they have a lot of "customisability", so the same g310mp1 can varies alot in performance depending on what the manufacturer use

[clever verge]

Now with Link of Facts

[jolly kettle]

Best thing to do is compare 3DMark scores

[glad oriole]

Which GPU is better, Mali-G310 or Mali-G57?

[jolly kettle]

Depends on how many cores

G310 is only a single core iirc

It'll probably be on par with the G57 MC01

Not sure about anything above that

[sharp cloud]

yep, and to make things more confusing, there can be alot variation per core depending on the picked implementation.
from the pdf linked above

[jolly kettle]

Best thing to do is benchmark them

Using 3dmark

[sharp cloud]

its definitely newer/support more new features though

[jolly kettle]

True

[burnt current]

I'm gonna be so upset if my XU20 has a mushy D-pad

I need to mandate every company to use dome switches, no exception

Punishment for defiance is death

[sharp cloud]

the same g310mp1 can be up to 4 times as performant as another similarly named g310mp1

[jolly kettle]

True

Wonder if XU are gonna use some mystery ARM chip with a Mali G310

Only one I can remember off the top of my head is some Amlogic whatever and I wouldn't count on that for an android handheld at all

[solemn pumice]

Yeah I don’t know if that thing is worth releasing. To similar to R36S console

[jolly kettle]

He's on about the 720x540 screen

And the XU Classic

[solemn pumice]

Just saying the XU Classic‘s Screen looks unappealing and that the control layout seems like your average R36S device.

XU20 on the other hand looks like a good brick competitor.

XU Pocket looks good though

[glad oriole]

Sorry, the translation software made a mistake.

[solemn pumice]

All good

[static aurora]

Maybe it's only for my unit😅

[jolly kettle]

XU Pocket and One35 will render the Aya Micro dead

[radiant lantern]

That would imply it's alive

[solemn pumice]

I was gonna say

[radiant lantern]

If they're giving it to Antec I doubt the sales are very high

[solemn pumice]

Especially with antec slashing down the price drastically

[radiant lantern]

Yeah if shipping to the US wasn't $55 I would probably buy one

[dry sierra]

well.. the trimui brick is not uncomfortable

is it?

the size would just be slightly smaller than a miyoo mini plus

[errant mauve]

i think it might technically be a bit bigger than taking around the zero28 but i'll have to see how it feels

i've shrunken down the profile of my phone, my wallet, and my keys, so i have more wiggle room for taking around handhelds now

apparently mine is out for delivery, guess the timing worked out nicely

[static aurora]

Planned to record video of xu20, but silksong just released today

[fiery panther]

Midsong

||🎣 ||

[burnt current]

I think Bob said something similar

About having a mushy D-pad

So I'm going home expecting disappointment

[static aurora]

Hopefully you'll find it better than me 😅

[burnt current]

Crisis averted

I actually quite like this D-pad

It's definitely on the mushier end, but it has a ton of pivot

[solemn pumice]

I kinda wanna take a bite out of it

[vagrant iris]

Man, this Magenta color is great

[solemn pumice]

It looks like it has lots of vitamins and antioxidants

[errant mauve]

Looks like mine just got delivered

[burnt current]

I don't think it's as mushy as the Zero 28 D-pad

I might just have a different definition of the word from Sleepy and Bob

[errant mauve]

I almost didnt notice, my phone marked the text as spam lol

[burnt current]

Unfortunately, my R2 button feels like fucking garbage, and I'm not sure what I can do about that

[errant mauve]

that is unfortunate, i think both of mine are clicking in the same as each other

i dont notice any dead buttons either

[burnt current]

I'm not crazy for thinking that this is horrible, right?

[glad oriole]

Is the R2 button broken, or is the sound different from the L2 button?

Does R2 freeze when watching videos?

[burnt current]

I haven't checked if it's not actually registering as an input

But R2 clicks much more easily than L2 and feels really bad on top of sounding like that

[fiery panther]

Maybe Luna can send you a replacement piece

[glad oriole]

If the R2 is stuck, replacing it with a new gadget should solve the problem.

[fiery panther]

Maybe it got hit during a bump on the road

[burnt current]

How do I test the controls?

[fiery panther]

Control test app

Inside dawn

Or whatever this is

Aurora?

[burnt current]

So R2 is registering when it clicks, but as I said, it clicks extremely easily

[glad oriole]

Easy to click, it can be solved by replacing new accessories

[burnt current]

Idk if it's a soldering problem

Because it might be

But I can't check without taking off the back plate

[burnt current]

I can't find this

Sorry

It was in the settings

[fiery panther]

You need to use the shoulder buttons yes

[burnt current]

😔

I'm getting kinda tired of these devices ngl

I don't make that much money and I feel like I keep being let down

Start button doesn't work unless it's a hard press

[frigid condor]

Yeah you might’ve gotten a defective unit

[glad oriole]

Each device is inspected by 2 inspectors before leaving the factory

[burnt current]

The box it came in is undented

[tawny swan]

when something with at least 7050 out

[fiery panther]

Make it 4

[frigid condor]

my box came torn apart because a lion or whatever tried eating my fucking xu20

[frigid condor]

it takes 2 cats to make a cat and they still come defective

[glad oriole]

Please take a detailed video

[sinful mortar]

Cant be any worse than my ender3 "QC Passed"
Two female power connectors on the wiring harness
Yeah.jpg cant be powered still passes

[burnt current]

Will do

Anything in particular you want to see?

[glad oriole]

Button problem

[solemn pumice]

Unlucky mate

[sinful mortar]

kek or very lucky because no melty fake XT60 connectors

Ended up just hard wiring it instead with spade terminals probably safer in the long run

[zealous jolt]

Dang thats a bummer, reminds me of my first zero28 unit with the bum r1 button. Hopefully you get a better solution than a $5 coupon lol

[zealous jolt]

jeez that doesn't look fun

[burnt current]

Especially since on devices with inline triggers, I swap L/R with L2/R2 as inputs since I find it more comfortable

[remote swallow]

Hey, where’s Anbernic’s?

Oh right, they don’t include these since they never even bother.

Oh wait right, MagicX also had them. Hmm…

[bronze yew]

The quality assurence guys seem more motivated to do their job than I am

[glad oriole]

Please contact the store customer service and we will help you solve the problem as soon as possible. The problem with the equipment should be caused during transportation.

[email protected]

[burnt current]

What do I tell customer service?

[burnt current]

Damn

Well email sent...

[tawny swan]

D7050 peak result

D7300 (can peak >1100)

[tawny swan]

strange ... maybe heat dissaption trash, multi extremaly low

[remote swallow]

Isn’t that a 7350 pro, not a regular 7300?

[tawny swan]

no, its different soc

[remote swallow]

I’m talking about the Nothing Phone (2a) Plus’s chipset.

[tawny swan]

its 7350 pro first time ever used (common 7350)

[tawny swan]

oh ... i thought it better cpu ... (gpu better yes)

4x A78 2.5
4x A55 2.0

vs 7350
2x A715
6x A510

[remote swallow]

Yeah, which is supposed to be essentially just an overclocked 7200 pro.

[remote swallow]

So how does it compare to a device with that chipset?

[tawny swan]

make sense why 7350 that weak on multi ...

[tawny swan]

exactly 200mhz

it realy nothing for cpu

[errant mauve]

Vagrant Story and Tactics Ogre in the roms

Good taste 😎

[tawny swan]

compare with what

[remote swallow]

7200 pro.

So far all I’ve got is this semi-shit listing where the 3d mark looks wildly higher than it should be, but the Geekbench results are pretty similar to the 7350 Pro.

[tawny swan]

it has same gpu

cpu just 200mhz more

[lone jolt]

I got mine, for me, I would not have noticed the firm button press issue because I don’t push that hard on the buttons

it’s possible for me to see it by firmly pressing D-pad Up or X button

I’m pretty sure I will never see it in normal gameplay

[tawny swan]

same lvl at all

hold on

[remote swallow]

Exactly, hence why I’m asking if you saw any results that are more accurate than what I found, since 3d mark was wildly better than what would logically make sense (since it’s not like the 7350 pro’s GPU could be overheating without the CPU also overheating, and high-3000 to the point of being almost 4000 doesn’t make sense for its GPU to begin with).

[tawny swan]

@remote swallow

checking nothing now

copy

normal cooling should give a boost a bit

[static aurora]

Pressing hard, issue can be seen

[zealous jolt]

Yeesh that dpad does not look very precise and I nearly went deaf when you started clicking the shoulders 😂

[lone jolt]

basically I need to press so hard that it will print an arrow on my thumb tip to activate the problem

the issue is there but for me I don’t think I will run into it

[lone jolt]

it looks worse on your unit?

[static aurora]

Yeah, if you will play shooters or fighting games, it will highly likely affect gameplay

Hopefuly XURetro already sent to me repair kit🙏

[lone jolt]

I am a light touch

[burnt current]

My unit doesn't seem to have this problem as bad either

[lone jolt]

the shoulder sound is not terrible, I've played worse (K36 Max)

[burnt current]

God

K36 Max

I didn't even know shoulder buttons could even be that fucking loud

Because the Helegaly Action Pi seemed to have really solid controls, I had relatively high hopes for the K36 Max

But they fuckin suck

[lone jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/last-nail-in-coffin-hitting-stake-banging-hitting-stake-with-hammer-holding-metal-stake-gif-17390223809078631937

it was cheap

[burnt current]

RG28XX is also very cheap and I love its controls lol

[lone jolt]

another handheld with loud triggers 😂

[zealous jolt]

oh yea its definitely not the worst I've heard, it just kinda caught me off guard as I was expecting something more similar to the zero28

[zealous jolt]

35xxH is also very cheap and I absolutely love everything about the dpad and face buttons. At the $40 I got mine for it's hard to find better handheld for the price

[burnt current]

I mentioned 28XX in particular because that one is especially cheap

It's the cheapest XX device available AFAIK

[zealous jolt]

I think the lowest I've seen the 28xx go is like $30 after coupon+coins and shipping/taxes during a very good ali sale, which idk if it's just me but I'd rather spend the extra $10 to get wifi/bluetooth, full size dpad and buttons, sticks, and a larger screen

if the 28xx was around $25 or less I'd probaby get one, but it's too close to other better options in my opinion

[lone jolt]

I think the k36 max was the third cheapest handheld I ever bought, the two datafrogs were cheaper

[burnt current]

I got the 28XX back when I was obsessed with micro handhelds

But I realised after a while that I strain my eyes while playing on them

[lone jolt]

if I saw a rg28xx for $30 I’d just impulse buy it

[zealous jolt]

Last time it was $30 was a few weeks ago during the back to school sale, cheapest I can find rn is $35 shipped

[static aurora]

Yeah, repair kit shipped 👍

[errant mauve]

I really genuinely liked the 28xx a lot but the lack of wifi did me in

i like syncing my saves too much

[fiery panther]

Same here

[fiery panther]

What do you think is better? That or the Xu Mini M?

[errant mauve]

hmmm

not too sure

i guess i liked the mini M a bit more

i didn't stick with it as long once the z28 came out

[glad oriole]

The RG silicone arrow keys also have the same effect. Is there something wrong with the diagonal lines? Or is it just a personal habit?

Please come out and express your opinions

I believe RG's directional keys are absolutely standard

Friends who have received XU20, please share your comments on the direction keys

[frigid condor]

The diagonals issue? Anbernic has almost always had sensitive diagonals, people tape their anbernic d-pads because of it

I remember their RG350-RG351 series devices were gold standards in terms of controls and then it went down a cliff on the RG552

[jolly kettle]

XU30's dpad should be better

[glad oriole]

I personally think the hardness of the arrow keys depends on what type of game you are playing and what the standard parameters of the diagonal are.

[frigid condor]

it also comes down to personal preference

[glad oriole]

The XU20 arrow keys are excellent

[frigid condor]

I’ve heard good things about Miyoo’s d-pad, and that d-pad is really soft

[spark cradle]

the Flip dpad is pretty clicky

[glad oriole]

Pokémon and Contra both deeply test diagonals, and Street Fighter has tested countless moves.

[spark cradle]

really good dpad though

[glad oriole]

Some friends who received the XU20 shared that the directional keys are blurry, which we can't understand.

[frigid condor]

blurry?

[static aurora]

With diagonals testing, it's very good for me, it can be seen on my video 👍

[lone jolt]

my opinion: don’t place too much importance on this test, it is based on individual feelings

[frigid condor]

base it on your neighborhood cat instead

if they play with it it’s a good d-pad

[lone jolt]

the dpad is above average for me - not as good as “RG” but better than previous MagicX products, on similar level to other products

[glad oriole]

Thank you for your honest evaluation

[jolly kettle]

Since it's a different piece to the XU20's if I'm right

According to the renders anyway

[burnt current]

XU Retro offered to send me a new PCB and shoulder bump

Idk how to feel about it tbh

I've never had to do a full PCB swap before

I should probably be grateful

[frigid condor]

Aside from the screen, it should be easy

The hardest part would be inserting the screen ribbon into the screen ribbon slot

[bronze yew]

It's really easy on these low end devices

[gleaming oak]

but still, this is a bit of a mishap of QA to send you such a defective unit

[burnt current]

The XU rep I was emailing said they'd take a look at the inspection video of my order

[storm warren]

Its really easy to take this one apart

You need a phillips screwdriver and a plastic pick

[zealous jolt]

Probably need an H1.5 bit for the shell screws if I’m not mistaken?

[burnt current]

I should be good then

I just swapped the sticks in my 35xxH last night

So I'm not new to actually opening up a device, I've just never replaced a full PCB before

[storm warren]

Oh right, outside are hex

[zealous jolt]

I thought so, I don’t have an xu20 to confirm but they’ve used h1.5 in the past

[storm warren]

You'll have to take out four screws on the inside, the MIPI cable for the display and the speaker cable (both go through the PCB) and then do the same in reverse

[burnt current]

My screwdriver is one of those sets where I have like 20 different heads that magnetically attach to the main handle

[static aurora]

https://youtu.be/0BhUHoevygQ

[fiery panther]

Why there are no reviews of this console yet

[errant mauve]

i could make one but im not really a reviewer

[fiery panther]

Just uploaded a video using the system

Not playing

And I'll be happy

[remote swallow]

They’re probably waiting for the replacement part to give it a more fair shake (at least via addendums edited into an already finished but now released review).

[fiery panther]

I want a video of the system exploration

Using apps

Doing what the Zero 28 can't do

[remote swallow]

Like for us, the issue would be either you care or don’t. For reviewers, they arguably have to wait for the replacement part, to at least showcase the difference between the fixed and unfixed versions.

[static aurora]

Zero28 can do all the same, but Zero28 have analog sticks, so more games can be played with two sticks on that console.

Xu20 have better screen resolution, and different formfactor, and imho that's the all main differences:)

[fiery panther]

I think I barely played any games that used sticks on the Zero 28

So I don't it it will matter

But anyway
I'll end with 2 Zero 28 that I can use them for lmao

[zealous jolt]

*two zero28s collecting dust in a drawer/on a shelf

[livid herald]

Heh

[errant mauve]

xu20's different launcher is kinda neat

nothing crazy but i liked how it collects the favorites and recents of all consoles into the pages instead of listing them at each console

miyoo mini onion OS inspired if im not mistaken?

gives it and the zero28 ones slightly different vibe but i like both ways

the only super minor issue i've had so far was my xu20 locked up(?) to where i couldn't come out of sleep mode

the power light was still on but it just stayed stuck on black

did a full shutdown hold and then restarted and everything has been fine since, it still had 75% battery too so not sure what happened there

oh, and the game switcher on the xu20 says X to remove X to go back

instead of B for back

but those are the only things i've seen

[burnt current]

More just Miyoo OS inspired tbh

Onion has a lot of the same menus, since it's more about being more optimized and adding new features like game switcher

[errant mauve]

that makes sense

it's been so long since i had my og miyoo mini that i forgot it came like that honestly

[burnt current]

Fair

I also own an A30 and Miyoo Flip, and both of those have a similar stock OS in terms of menus

[errant mauve]

oh true i forgot about those ones as well

it is a nice layout overall

[zealous jolt]

I still have my miyoo mini plus, that was the first device I got way back in early-mid 2023. Granted it hasn't been used in over a year lol. I honestly never understood why everyone raved about onionos, i honestly found it quite janky

[frigid condor]

I wonder how it would translate to a bigger device like the XU30 H50

[errant mauve]

i think it was really novel for the time

really clean but modular linux frontend with all those extra features if you wanted

i played on it a lot but i always felt nervous with the original mini

felt so fragile in the hands

especially in the pocket

xu20 feels really densely packed together, nothing rattles just from touching it

[errant mauve]

not sure, did xu say doing this aurora menu on it?

[frigid condor]

they haven’t said anything about Aurora on XU30

[zealous jolt]

that's true, it was pretty ahead of the crowd back in 2022/23. I've been so spoiled by good cheap handhelds recently I've forgotten the way things used to be lol

[errant mauve]

Yeah things developed so quickly

We may have hit a wall with maximum emulating power but the bar for general level of things to expect has never been so high

[sudden narwhal]

Build quality is okay, and I kinda like the buttons. I think they’re much better than the ones on the Zero28 or Xumini, which feel very mushy. What I don’t like is the chipset, as we already know the A133P heats up pretty quickly and gets uncomfortable on long session. Will do further test soon.

[fiery panther]

The system also is quite unstable sometimes

[spark cradle]

@fervent solstice save us GOAT

[fiery panther]

Please

A more stable and optimized android system is all what this needs

And with better apps scaling

[sudden narwhal]

My stock SD card corrupted already, and after a fresh install on a good SD card (A2), the system sometimes won’t wake up from sleep and needs a forced reboot. Already happened twice this morning 😅

[frigid condor]

@glad oriole what the hell i thought these were quality sd cards

i haven't had system issues personally other than really bad slowdowns while doing too many things at once

[sudden narwhal]

I’m traveling right now and haven’t had a chance to check the stock SD card, but if I recall correctly, it’s unbranded. Can anyone confirm? 😅

[frigid condor]

it is

but luna was saying here that they were supposed to be good quality and unbranded samsung and sandisk cards

[sudden narwhal]

Ah, I see. I’ll try to run some transfer speed tests later

[fiery panther]

I'm using a SanDisk A1 and it works fine

You can get that as well

[fiery panther]

I don't trust that

I feel like the seller of them lied

[frigid condor]

pov: you just overpaid for some generic ass cards

[fiery panther]

I ordered no SD

Worth

I might buy another one but for Gamma

[sharp cloud]

No removal (if any) of the microsd done until system is completely off I assume?

[frigid condor]

you can remove the sd card as long as the device is turned off

[sharp cloud]

Ya I was referring to altavizta90 above whose card got corrupted.
Another possibility (outside of bad card or wrong removal) is if the system hangs and hard power off was performed, if unlucky enough the critical files/partition might end up corrupted too.

[glad oriole]

Our tests have shown that the cards are of high quality. However, we need to wait until the first batch of devices is deployed at customer sites before we can make a final assessment of the card's overall performance and quality.

[fiery panther]

Oh well

Btw @glad oriole the Dpad was indeed quite good and an improvement over the Zero 28 Dpad

It isn't perfect
But it is a decent spot rn

[glad oriole]

Hey friends, I'm off today and went rafting. I'll chat with you later.

[spark cradle]

wait is this Guizhou lol

[frigid condor]

what the hell? you went rafting and you didn’t invite Bobby?

[bronze yew]

Cats don't like water

[frigid condor]

let a cat dream

[bronze yew]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-betrayed-gif-26720821

[burnt current]

Unstable?

Oh system

For some reason I thought you said screen

[wise laurel]

Where is this place in China? Looks like fun and colorful.

[fiery panther]

Lmao

Yeah it is as explosive as stock os on Zero 28

[zealous jolt]

Ever since fully setting up Gamma I don’t think I’ll ever go back to stock tbh

[fiery panther]

Good to know

Gamma, time to cook

[zealous jolt]

There a few quirks here and there such as the headphone jack and the scoped storage can be annoying sometimes. But it certainly is a much nicer experience navigating the system and having a way to switch between Xbox and Nintendo layout. Being able to apply kernel changes on boot is a huge plus too, going in manually to set the governor and minimum cpu clock every reboot on stock was annoying lol

Daijisho has some absolutely fire themes too, and there’s a bunch of quality of life features that aren’t present in dawn

[static aurora]

Can't say anything about stock cards, as ordered without any of, and flashed to my own lexar

[zealous jolt]

Oh another huge downside of gamma to me is it has the old v1 stock volume curves, so the volume is crazy loud even at the lowest setting

[fervent solstice]

yes I need to bump the base firmware

will do so on the next release at some point

already fixed the headphone jack issue, just juggling a lot of devices currently

[zealous jolt]

Oh I know, I poke my head into the Gamma channel here and there and you definitely have a lot going on lol. And hopefully that didn’t come across as complaining at all, I think it’s a huge improvement from stock and I’m super appreciative of all the work you put into it 🙏

[bronze yew]

complaining to Gamma would be an instant ban

[errant mauve]

looks like i had that weird issue again, today felt my xu20 was warm but unable to wake from sleep mode

did a full power off and on and it has 53% battery

never seen that one with my zero28 or zero40, i wonder if that could potentially be related to the sd card

[zealous jolt]

@fervent solstice oh since you’re here I keep having this weird issue where my sd2 will randomly unmount/eject and not be detected by the system, and I’ll have to remove it and reinsert it for it to be recognized again. One time I had to reinsert it like 3 or 4 times as it kept instantly unmounting. Any idea what might be going on? It’s a known quality sd card that’s 64gb in size, formatted to exfat after running your exfat enable script

[fervent solstice]

hmm if you have logs, I might be able to check, does it happen with any other card?

[zealous jolt]

I haven’t tried with another card, I’ll back this one up and copy everything to a new one to see if it helps. Where might I be able to find these logs?

I also have a second unit I’ll try it out in, just to rule out potential hardware issues as well

[fervent solstice]

you'll need to use USB debugging to get logs

https://chatgpt.com/share/68bc5f18-3244-8009-bf25-5c2df927afbf

[zealous jolt]

Gotcha, does it need to have just happened for it to show up in the log? Last it happened was maybe 1-2 hours ago and I’ve since powered it off

[fervent solstice]

grab it once it happens again, the sooner the better

[zealous jolt]

Will do, appreciate the help

[clear cargo]

I might have the same issue. When I wake up the device from sleep the screen stays off. I'm backing my xu20 up then I'll flash the OS to another card.

[errant mauve]

i have another sd card laying around i can use, i'll give that a try soon

i see it pinned

[clear cargo]

I flash the OS to a new card. It seems fixed.

[glad oriole]

Users have found that the directional buttons on the XU20 controller offer precise diagonal input, making it easy to perform complex moves in fighting games.

Have any of you who received the XU20 found the directional buttons to be very poor? Please share your feedback.

[burnt current]

I think the D-pad is great

Diagonals are easy to hit, but I wouldn't say it's too sensitive

Because of how much pivot there is, you have to squarely be in a "diagonal" position for the D-pad to register the input as such

I LOVE PIVOT
I LOVE PIVOT

[glad oriole]

According to the standards of game controller manufacturers, the design of the directional buttons should ensure accurate input for diagonal movements, while also providing a comfortable feel. If the directional buttons are too stiff, it can negatively impact a player's accuracy in fighting games.

[burnt current]

People love the Trimui Brick's buttons, but I actually find diagonals a bit too difficult on it

Major reason why I was excited for the XU20

[glad oriole]

Now I understand that many users prefer a firmer feel to the directional buttons, which may be better suited for playing Nintendo games, but the opposite is true for SEGA game or arcade game players.

[burnt current]

I don't really understand the distinction between Nintendo and Sega/Arcade games

[glad oriole]

Why Sean and I both believe that the D-pad on the Xu20 is the best in its price range under $150, providing a great control experience for playing classic Nintendo, Sega, and arcade games.

[glad oriole]

Just compare the directional buttons on Nintendo and SEGA controllers, and you'll understand what I mean.

Arcade games refer to the moves in fighting games.

[frigid condor]

I found the d-pad is great

Shape especially is much better than most d-pads I’ve used

[glad oriole]

The SFC controller's directional pad is more precise for diagonal movements, making it suitable for RPGs (with a firmer feel).
(SS) controller's directional pad is better suited for fighting games or action games (with a softer feel).

Personally, I think the ideal directional pad would be somewhere in between these two.

[bronze yew]

I think the majority of people is with the Nintendo d-pad tho

[glad oriole]

Discord's user base primarily consists of Nintendo game enthusiasts, but opinions on game controllers vary among gamers worldwide.

[bronze yew]

I wouldn't write this off as Discord users, but rather western ones, Nintendo always has been vastly more popular here

[burnt current]

Aside from the UK and Ireland

Up until recently, they never liked Nintendo lol

Sega Megadrive was more popular here than SNES

[jolly kettle]

Honestly I'd personally go with the nintendo dpad for the XU30 and stuff

Which i still think has the potential to be among the best budget handhelds under $100

[burnt current]

I agree

[fiery panther]

Yep yep
This dpad is great

Make a Zero 28 successor with that Dpad and touch screen 👀

[bronze yew]

I think the main reason for this crossbreed of a d-pad is the Asian market, where SEGA had pretty good standing compared to the west

[dreamy lark]

Have you guys thought about doing 2 button horizontal devices?

[glad oriole]

No, the XU20's arrow keys are definitely suitable for Western players. It may be a translation problem that fails to express what I want to express.

[glad oriole]

XU Retro will only launch classic designs, while personalized or creative designs will be in the MagicX program.

[dreamy lark]

What I mean by 2 button devices is a Game Boy for example

[glad oriole]

Game Boy remake?

[bronze yew]

I doubt that would happen as people usually expect to play other systems on these emulation devices, if anything we could get a device with a button layout similar to Anbernics rg34xx

[dreamy lark]

Not necessarily, but on a horizontal device by removing the X and Y buttons you can put a 4" screen and still be pocketable which a lot of people want, also it can be cheap because it only needs to run gb, gba and famicom games

[dreamy lark]

I know more than 10 people that play their handhelds outside and exclusively gba games

[clever verge]

That is so Hyper niche, the Screen, D Pad, and other hardware will drive up the price more so that the chip. At that point, just go buy a Famiclone

[glad oriole]

In 2026, all retro manufacturers in China will face a serious problem, that is, the retro handheld market will shrink drastically. It is no longer as popular as before.

[bronze yew]

well, we are at a point of diminishing returns, something like the KONKR for $239 is a device to end it all and every tiny low end device can do properly PS1 and under now... the gaps to fill are getting smaller and smaller

and something like the Odin 3 is already very enthusiast level, for those of us that want the latest and greatest, as you realistically don't need the 8 Elite in any way to emulate consoles

If MagicX or XU would throw out a Snapdragon 8 Gen2 device for $200 there is little reason to buy much else for people new to the hobby

[dreamy lark]

why would those parts drive the price up, cant they use something thats already available on some other machines?

[clever verge]

Because you still have to source the parts from somewhere. They don't already just have them lying around in a warehouse collecting dust

[glad oriole]

If the 662 sells for $60, the 7050 sells for $99, and the 865/7350 sells for $130, the handheld market will immediately stop developing.

[dreamy lark]

yeah but I mean, whats stopping them from using parts from some other XU model?

[clever verge]

Because the Plastic Shell mold will be exclusive to the 1 device. And that is where cost is crazy

[dreamy lark]

I see, thanks

[bronze yew]

in terms of raw power we are creeping towards the point where you will get a $99 fully PS2 capable handheld and fulfill all your emulation needs for $199, so it really comes down to appealing form factors, screens, good controls and features like trigger locks being implemented into these devices

personally I also would like to see Micro SD Express on the high end stuff like the Odin 3

[clever verge]

They sell decent Famiclones with SD card slots. They have what you are asking for already. And they cost $20 US amd under sometimes

[jolly kettle]

$99 for full PS2 is a little generous, RP Classic is close but its GPU is too weak

$130 will net you practically full PS2 with the D7050

[glad oriole]

A complete PS2 system for $99, do you think it will sell 100,000 units worldwide?

[bronze yew]

I mean, it's pretty close and GPU is literally just upscaling issues

[bronze yew]

easily, at that price point it would probably spread to mainstream media outlets and Youtubers who just occasionally mention these kinda devices and $99 is total impulse buy territory

[dreamy lark]

can you point me towards any models? google only shows home famicom like devices

[jolly kettle]

I mean for gpu-bound PS2 games like God of War etc

[bronze yew]

sure, that ain't exactly ideal, but the vast majority of PS2 runs on the chipset, which is quite something to be honest

[jolly kettle]

Exactly

$99 for a handheld that can practically plug and play GCN and run most PS2 is a very good value proposition

[bronze yew]

if Retroid would have made it with a decent 4:3 LCD screen and in a horizontal form factor for $99 it would have swept the entire budget segment

[jolly kettle]

A D7050 system for ~$120 would sell like fucking hotcakes istg

Since that has practically all of GC covered

And the upper ~15-20% of PS2 can run with some light tweaking

[bronze yew]

I don't think you can push the D7050 to full PS2

[jolly kettle]

It's a slightly oc'd D900

[solemn pumice]

You’d need a D7350 though

[bronze yew]

yeah, I would say the upper 15~20% will give you trouble

[jolly kettle]

Yea

[jolly kettle]

Yes

D7350 would be more than enough for upscaled GC/PS2

[bronze yew]

I mean a D7350 would still be a good value device at $150 right now, if it has some improvements over the RP4... screen

[jolly kettle]

Yes

Even still full GC for $120 would be great value

[bronze yew]

also XU Retro has the advantage in shipping when it comes to Europe especially, as they don't pre-collect vat at all for lower end devices

[glad oriole]

1: $99 for a full PS2
2: $69 for a full 2x PSP God of War

Both have 720p screens, so which one is more appealing to buyers?

[bronze yew]

first one, 100% 😂

[vagrant iris]

agree 100% 100% 😄

[jolly kettle]

First one. Most of the lighter-mid PS2 games would be able to run at 1.5x resolution anyway (which is roughly 720p)

Wonder how XU would manage to churn one out though

[vagrant iris]

I think full ps2 under $100 was the dream of retro handheld enthusiasts for a while

[jolly kettle]

Yes

Emulator compatibility is also a factor

Like aethersx2 has a handful of games that just struggle no matter what

Dirge of cerberus, dog's life, steambot chronicles, jak 3

[bronze yew]

I mean with some of them you could throw an 8 Elite and it wouldn't help 😂

if someone makes a solid horizontal G1 Gen2 handheld for $99 tho, it would as said above throw the entire budget range into disarray, like Anbernics XX-line would be utterly pointless, maybe the R36S would survive for those who can't spend more than $25... but if you are already spending $50-60, you may as well pay a little more to play everything

[jolly kettle]

Or whatever the mtk equivalent is yea

Unless switch and winlator matters

[bronze yew]

I mean yeah, but quite honestly with the KONKR being as cheap as it is, I don't think the Retroid Pocket 6 will be any more than $209 at worst, while boosting a G2 Gen2, which should be enough for most Switch and Winlator would probably be more limited by the 8gb RAM

we are reaching the point where we are paying for form factor, screens and features, not raw power

honestly in that regard MagicX has a good approach, if they can get some unique devices actually released

[jolly kettle]

MagicX/XU have the potential to (almost if not) outright take over the budget Android sector

[bronze yew]

true true, especially as Anbernic currently is sleeping on it and tries to be premium just to be outright thwarted by fucking Ayaneo of all companies

[jolly kettle]

Mangmi while actually having good pricing pairs high quality equipment with a relatively underpowered soc

Compared to what XU have to offer

[bronze yew]

not that the D8300 is a bad chip, but you can get fully vatted phones with it for $200 and they really try to sell you devices for $260 before tax

[jolly kettle]

Yes

[jolly kettle]

"Like a 10 speed gearbox paired with a 1.3L engine"

[bronze yew]

I'm not really in on lower end 16:9 stuff, if they designed them to look like a PSP or Vita that would be a different story tho

but generally a good 4:3 panel fits the bill for retro systems better

and we ain't emulating any Switch on a sd662

[jolly kettle]

That is true

RK3566 will pretty much be dead

A133P is kinda still around thanks to XU selling it at a lower price

Than the trimuis

[bronze yew]

generally speaking companies like Anbernic could probably hold their own for a bit longer in the budget segment with hardware clones of actual consoles, the rg34xx sold incredibly well and I would love to see some stuff like a NEO GEO Pocket Color or Wonderswan with the H700

[jolly kettle]

Anbernic could hold their own yes

[bronze yew]

I mean I also grabbed the GKD Bubble because it was a neat little GameGear, software is a bit junky and it was hard to come by at a good price tho

[jolly kettle]

Yea the hardware clones will basically be the bastion of the low budget segment

When the android segment breaks the sub-$100 barrier very shortly (aside from A133P/RK3566)

[clever verge]

Wait, what about either the 35xx or RGB10X? No wifi, both super pocket able, and both under 40

[jolly kettle]

But like progamer said for example look at the XU30 H50 which will be $85 after earlybird, if you're paying $50-60 for a handheld might as well pay a little more and get that