2025 XU Product Slate

[vagrant iris]

Thats interesting, but I can see the logic as there are no real competitors for it and probably it will be a "hero" variant

[solemn pumice]

Is the screen more expensive?

[rare junco]

Wait, so the 4:3 one would be more expensive?

[sharp cloud]

Strange...

[vagrant iris]

Let's hope Mangmi will make their own version too xD

[glad oriole]

High-quality 4:3 screens have always been expensive.

[sharp cloud]

Does the h40 have vibration and mic?

[vagrant iris]

I think $90 was more realistic price from the start, but probably XU needs to profit and H50 is much lower price than I expected

Now I really start to wonder if Mangmi is another Moorechip brand - they have access to snapdragon chips and have killer prices.

[solemn pumice]

That’s good to know you’re looking for quality, especially with the 961x720 screen debacle the Helegaly Pi had.
They literally had their screen supplier cut out a “960x720” screen out of another screen

[glad oriole]

New XU devices all have vibration function and no microphone

[jolly kettle]

Chew on that Mangmi

[jolly kettle]

Aren't they ex-ayaneo people tho?

[vagrant iris]

ex-ayaneo hired by Moorechip maybe xD

[glad oriole]

It is impossible for the RP team to have such a poor developer

[vagrant iris]

/JK probably they have a good relationship with Qualcomm from Ayaneo days

[jolly kettle]

Well at least they've got competition now

[vagrant iris]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-8966308824997581062

[vagrant iris]

To be perfectly honest RP team also could get a lesson or two, especially on ergonomics field

[jolly kettle]

Got me tempted to churn out a graphic for this haha

[tawny swan]

When Gamma get this buddy?

very good spec-price device, well done

@glad oriole active cooling ?

[jolly kettle]

Doubt

[remote swallow]

Oh, by released in October do you mean “no pre-orders, they’re for sale on October” or “there are pre-orders that will be earlier, they just ship in October”?

[jolly kettle]

They're insistent on the air X being better

[vagrant iris]

Of course they are, it is really a great time to be a retro handheld fan 😉

[jolly kettle]

Yea now that we've broken the sub-$100 barrier for t618-tier android handhelds

[vagrant iris]

Tbh Im leaning more to buy XU anyway, but thats because I want a smaller 4:3 handheld

[rare junco]

I hope "October" does not mean October 32nd.

[vagrant iris]

October 2027

[rare junco]

Maybe by then the One35 would be close to release.

I wonder if the lack of active cooling on this thing would be an issue for those trying to squeeze some GC/PS2 out of it.

Hope it doesn't thermal throttle too bad

[vagrant iris]

Yeah T618 and T610 were pretty good with thermals

And didnt need a fan

[burnt current]

MagicX won't have cooling in One 35 because the chipset doesn't run hot enough to need it

[vagrant iris]

We'll see about that

[burnt current]

RP2S didn't have active cooling

[vagrant iris]

It used T610 not G85, not sure how hot can it get before throttling

[sharp cloud]

my rp3+ goes to slightly over 70 degree when stress testing ps2, but no real thermal throttling/drop iirc

[jolly kettle]

G85 is an overall similar chipset apart from the gpu which is higher clocked

[sharp cloud]

depend on the heatsink etc used i guess for these

[jolly kettle]

12nm litho, same core config

[vagrant iris]

Ok, i wonder why XU has the active cooling than

[sharp cloud]

was it confirmed to?

[vagrant iris]

noe Im not sure anymore, I can't find it, I thought it was confirmed

[burnt current]

Mangmi has cooling

[vagrant iris]

this part on the back might suggest it has active cooling

but on the other hand there might be just a heatsink behind it

[glad oriole]

The One35 runs PS2 God of War for 2 hours in performance mode very well. Comparing the temperature with the Qualcomm 662 with active fans, the G85 wins without active fans.

[burnt current]

That sounds insane

Also it running PS2 GoW sounds crazy lol

[burnt current]

I think it's just gonna be a consistent design element of XU devices to have a back vent

XU10 and XU20 both have one

[jolly kettle]

662 has samsung litho

Pretty inefficient

[sharp cloud]

the 662 has 4 larges cores as well instead of 2, probably contributing to the heat output

[glad oriole]

The MagicX development team is full of crazy people

[vagrant iris]

okido I stand corrected, hopefully it's not running hot indeed

[sharp cloud]

its probably warm if your fingers touch the area of heatsink/soc

[burnt current]

All of this is reminding me that I don't think we ever got a back view of the One35 aside from the very early renders

Very very early renders

Nearly a year old now

[jolly kettle]

And they're older A73 architecture cores

Btw is there a high-res version of the XU Retro logo anywhere? (preferably a vector)

[tawny swan]

😄 it way slower

[tawny swan]

eh, sad

[tawny swan]

sounds good

did u compare performance with T618?)

[glad oriole]

Overall, G85 is a little stronger, GPU frequency is a little higher, CPU frequency is a little lower, and the heat generation is much better than T618.

[solemn pumice]

Where’s @frigid condor at btw

[tawny swan]

stronger in benchmarks, or in actual gameplay?

PS2/GC interesting in heavy titles

[glad oriole]

Test and compare with multiple platform simulators

[clever verge]

https://tenor.com/view/catfall-topba-gif-27190186

[vagrant iris]

it's actually a good idea to compare their performance in PS2/GC/PSP etc when they are released

[solemn pumice]

Almost thought you were Bobby for a second

[clever verge]

LUNA pushed him off the Table. Said, "Bad Kitty"

Now his feelings are hurt

[tawny swan]

damn, i thougt Air X is beast ... but now seems like H50 way-way better, in terms of price to specs

[glad oriole]

Regarding various SOC performance tests, you can consult MagicX Sean. Their team has dedicated personnel to deeply test various SOCs running various platform simulators.

[vagrant iris]

I'm sure G85 will be stronger at emulation, I have no doubts about it

[tawny swan]

i thought g85 is close T618 in emulations, but not stronger ... it was good news

[tawny swan]

when first units reviewers get?

[solemn pumice]

when first units devs get?

[tawny swan]

yh

also

[jolly kettle]

THIS GRAPHIC IS NOT (YET?) OFFICIAL. INFORMATION HAS BEEN USED FROM VARIOUS MESSAGES IN THIS THREAD FROM LUNA

[tawny swan]

why it cost more?

[sharp cloud]

where is the above from?

[jolly kettle]

Info posted in this thread

[jolly kettle]

Yea it's $5 more than the H50, no earlybird apparently

#1392860755849646151 message

[tawny swan]

oh

[sharp cloud]

i mean the picture, thats one of the confirmed colors?

[tawny swan]

alr, make sense

[jolly kettle]

It's from one of the renders #1392860755849646151 message

[solemn pumice]

Hold on where is the pic from??

[jolly kettle]

I just cobbled together this graphic. Don't take it as official ahah

[sharp cloud]

i think people will take it as offical and paste it in reddit etc

[solemn pumice]

Too late, already posted on Reddit

[jolly kettle]

Of course

[sudden narwhal]

I really hope there will be a non-transparent color variant ❤️

[spark cradle]

this is touchscreen right

[drowsy bison]

the best source of information is from the product announcements on the MagicX discord and from Luna

[clever verge]

I wish Luna would post this stuff on Magic X discord first

[solemn pumice]

No, Luna posting here, and Bobby posting them on MagicX hours later and pinging us is the tradition

[drowsy bison]

Bobby remains the best source of cat gifs

[frigid condor]

that's what i'm about to do right now

i just woke up

[solemn pumice]

ayo

[frigid condor]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-cat-waving-wave-paw-gif-13166861219220983195

[solemn pumice]

what timezone even is that

[frigid condor]

i nap in 4 hour blocks

[solemn pumice]

4 hours are over, where are the color options

[frigid condor]

IM MAKING IT KITTY

[solemn pumice]

you're making the color options??

[frigid condor]

uh

[solemn pumice]

that's why luna said 4 hours

because that's your sleep schedule

now it makes sense

there we go

[clever verge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/GCFwCtgVEY

More people Voting!!!!

[tawny swan]

BRUH

where white or silver

[frigid condor]

uh

i ate it

[tawny swan]

lavender looks so clean

[solemn pumice]

how is there 2 blue ones

[lusty marten]

What aspect ratio is that

[dry sierra]

if the sticks are recessed you got my interest

[solemn pumice]

1280x720 or 16:9

[tawny swan]

single right

[lusty marten]

Device looks amazing but I will probably wait for a 4:3 one, but these new XUs seem really cool

[solemn pumice]

will drop in december

[lusty marten]

Ok that may be it for me, color and all🔥🔥🔥 thank you

[solemn pumice]

here is the other color btw

I'm confident they will make another poll to decide on other colors

[dry sierra]

kinda looks like an action pi but better

[lusty marten]

Any device or controller that looks like the N64 funtastic transparent colors is good for me

[solemn pumice]

that's because it is

actual 960x720

instead of 961x720 which has been falsely cut out of a bigger screen

[jolly kettle]

Glad to see some competition in the sub-$100 android space

Which is more than just 3566s running gcore

[frigid condor]

[solemn pumice]

it's really nice to see new handhelds pop up in the void that the rp2s left behind

[burnt current]

Weird that it's taken so long, but Retroid must have gotten one hell of a deal on the T610s for it

[solemn pumice]

they used the t310 and t618 before, so they had good relations with unisucc

[remote swallow]

Different Blue’s.

[solemn pumice]

voted for both ;))

[remote swallow]

Same here, blue will thrive!

All hail the All-Blue!

[solemn pumice]

this is not good

both blues shouldnt win

one should cannibalize the other

ideally

[frigid condor]

people don't like the bottom 3 colors as much as the top 3

[solemn pumice]

i would replace the 3 bottom colors and make another poll

back to the drawing board we go

[frigid condor]

[strong moat]

the text came up as so small I misread color 4 as “Teal with Cringe accents”

[tawny swan]

white ... ppls need white

some ... white

or silver

[remote swallow]

No, All-Blue is All-Blue.

In fact, add more blue’s so that we can make every colorway just a different shade of blue.

[burnt current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283238170065895476/1329583171020263515/pain.gif

[tawny swan]

black with black sticks looks cheap btw

[burnt current]

how it feels to be a colour 6 enjoyer

[tawny swan]

it should have something like led circle or just circle with different color

[solemn pumice]

Clear blue can’t hurt I guess

[solemn pumice]

I voted for pink too

[burnt current]

It reminds me a bit of the RG Cube colour

[jolly kettle]

How large will the battery be?

For the XU35 V40 and V50

[burnt current]

Probably 5000mAh for V50

One35 is 4300mAh, so V40 might be the same

[vivid tusk]

looks strange for me
XU35 H40 with smaller screen and lower resolution and the same other specs and price higher compare with HU35 H50

[solemn pumice]

resolution is the same

smaller and bigger screen size also doesnt matter

[frigid condor]

the 5 inch screen is more common

[solemn pumice]

what more common is important

uncommon is more expensive because there is less mass production discount

if it werent for mangmi the h50 wouldnt have an early bird pricing

so its 85 vs 90

and the device with the rarer or more uncommon screen will obviously cost more

[vivid tusk]

5 inch 1280x720 versus 4 inch 960x720
Users don`t care about common/uncommon component prices imho
its looks just strange - better device has lower price

[dreamy lark]

Is this more powerful than the trimui smart pro?

[frigid condor]

do you want them to raise the price of one of them more so they look equal?

these are supposed to be as low in price as they can possibly make them

[vivid tusk]

for sure, its at the same level with Unisoc/Tiger T618

[solemn pumice]

nah it doesnt, smaller screen also means higher ppi

[dreamy lark]

Awesome

[vivid tusk]

I just say - it will be look like suspicious a little bit
just imagine you have iPhone 16e with higher price than iPhone 16

[solemn pumice]

iphone 13 mini was more expensive to produce but still cost less than the iphone 13

apple can sell it at lower margins, sure

but these handheld companies can't, they sell hardware and have way smaller profit margins

[tawny swan]

good 4 inch display just cost more

[tawny swan]

it beat T618 in emulation

[frigid condor]

not to mention the higher priced iphones got more sales anyway

so they can subsidize the iphone 13 mini easily

[solemn pumice]

that type of display is exotic

[tawny swan]

yh

there allot of cheap options, but almost every sucks

[vivid tusk]

yes, ofc, but usual it will looks suspicious as I told - its just market reality

[solemn pumice]

it's the first 4'' 960x720 under $100 and people still complain, lol

[tawny swan]

yh

[dreamy lark]

What did the 2s had?

[tawny swan]

just T610

like snap662

[dreamy lark]

Damn

[vivid tusk]

its not about complain)
okay lets take case from handhelds
what if anbernic rg35xxh price will be higher than rg40xxh?

[solemn pumice]

that's a terrible example though

3;5'' 480p is the most common screen in the hobby

[tawny swan]

im asking about vs T618

Totally game changer on market

100$ GC and PS2 (3ds/wii)
Rip anbernic

[vivid tusk]

but the price difference with rg40xxh just few dollars anyway (68 versus 70 USD)
means they can put it in the same price level at all, but didnt do that, because of market logic

[jolly kettle]

Can't wait to see the price of the XU40s

Ideally should be around $120ish to compete with the RP4 Pro

[frigid condor]

anbernic has a massive fanbase though, so people will buy from them anyway

pov: everyone tells anbernic to make a touch zero 40 clone when the zero 40 was announced

[tawny swan]

the illness goes away with time

[livid herald]

Yeah, was thinking that

[solemn pumice]

gap used to be bigger, and the 4'' 480p screen also isnt that rare, with handhelds that are this old their price will solely be determined by supply and demand

the 40xxh also gets warm on side and the solid plastic smudges more than the transparent one the 35xxh

[vivid tusk]

I think no big problem to get tons of 5 inch 1280x720 and 4 inch 960x720 screen all over the world, to be honest, both of them

[solemn pumice]

nah 4'' hd screen is rare

16:9 is the media standart

[livid herald]

Good point

[solemn pumice]

every console outputs to 16:9

[jolly kettle]

Well it's better than 3.5" and 4" 480p screens everywhere tbf

[vivid tusk]

ok ok , I can't argue with you, I don't have real data about display stocks xD

[solemn pumice]

monitors only recently moved to 16:10

[jolly kettle]

16:10 arm handheld when

[solemn pumice]

you don't need data you just need to not live under a rock

4:3 was 20 years ago

when 4:3 was still the standard 480p or 480i was the highest res

[vivid tusk]

You know that there are a huge number of countries in the world where android tablets with 4 or 5 inch screens and old "buttons" phones are still sold in the millions, right?
and smartphones with such small screens as well

[solemn pumice]

that's less than 1% of tablet sales in the world

even less than 0.1%

if you don't trust me, ask a trusted reviewer of your choice

the only common high res 4:3 display is on ipads

that's it

anything else practically doesn't exist

[vivid tusk]

tons of countries from Africa region for example, they even didnt official data about, how can you talk so confidently about global sales lol?

[solemn pumice]

anbernic literally had to custom-make their 4,7'' 960p screen because such screens don't exist in the wild / off the helve

[solemn pumice]

that just proves my point

no official data about = exception of the rule, statistical minority that doesnt matter

[solemn pumice]

you dont need to look at sales to know that ipads are the best selling tablets, followed by galaxy tabs

[vivid tusk]

yes yes, according gfk data or canalys, without SO data from many countries 😅
better check some shitty small chinese brands then

[solemn pumice]

you wanna take a guess which country manufactures the most displays? ;))

i promise you its not africa

[vivid tusk]

you think all displays, produced in china, only for ipads and galaxy tabs i guess xD

[solemn pumice]

these so called shitty small chinese brands are in the heart of the biggest place for manufacturing electronis and displays

if a screen exists

trust me

they will know

[solemn pumice]

no all, but most

for the most competitive price

which means they are being sold at a large scale

at this point you're just wasting my time

[vivid tusk]

I know, and there is no reason to put higher price for device with smaller screen, if they have so big difference between screen prices for this devices they should chech other specs and change it to save price difference

[solemn pumice]

supply and demand brother

there is no 720p 4:3 under $100

they know people have been asking for it for years

they know people will buy it

it's not that complicated

just because you don't want it, doesn't mean others don't

I think you're way of thinking is very close minded

[vivid tusk]

okay then XU35 H50 price should be little higher anyway

[tawny swan]

mindset.wrong

[solemn pumice]

there literally $40 handhelds with a 5'' 720p screen

[vivid tusk]

Are you in sales or are your friends?

[frigid condor]

he's in cat selling with me

[solemn pumice]

I'm done with you, ask any reviewers or dev

they will tell you the same story

[vivid tusk]

they create problems for themselves, the average user, not the one sitting here, will be surprised when he sees that the device with a simpler screen is more expensive. And he will think that the company is deceiving him. And the brand image will suffer, that's all.

[solemn pumice]

that's right you have figured us out detective

[vivid tusk]

your thinking of a person who knows the production chain and knows that a small screen is more expensive. it doesn't matter, when it comes to an ordinary buyer, he will have a very simple mindset, about like me, yeah
good luck)

[solemn pumice]

@humble eagle Sean, can you pls explain why a 4'' 960x720 screen is more expensive than a 5'' 1280x720 screen?

[vivid tusk]

I trust you , dont worry)

[solemn pumice]

even ordinaries prefer the 4:3 because it suits retro systems better, less black bars

better alignment with integer scaling

[vivid tusk]

but, as I said, for the average buyer it doesn't matter. He won't figure out which screen is more expensive and which is cheaper. He'll see two devices and the more expensive one will have a smaller screen and lower resolution, that's the whole story.

[vivid tusk]

You do realize that the average person doesn't even know what that means " integer scaling", right?

[solemn pumice]

even the average buyers wont buy a device that has crazy pillar boxing when playing 4:3

[solemn pumice]

that doesnt matter, you still get pillar boxing if you full scale retro systems on a 16:9

[vivid tusk]

I dont think so. A mother will buy a device for her child, a father for his son or for his old father, and so on - none of them understands this. An ordinary person would think - a bigger screen and resolution - everything is better, thats it. But why is it cheaper? Suspicious

[solemn pumice]

btw both devices are 720p, what do you mean by smaller resolution??

1280x720 and 960x720 are both hd

[vivid tusk]

That the average person will just see numbers and 5 1280x720 looks cooler than 4 960x720

[solemn pumice]

the average person you're talking about is probably thinking 1kg stones weighs more than 1kg feathers
those people will never find out about xu and just buy r36s from temu

[solemn pumice]

if your average person really is that stupid, they have bigger problems than choosing the right handheld

ok i stop responding now, i promise ( i lied )

sry

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352609273280073739/1359250294092988547/image0.gif

[vivid tusk]

I think that XU want to make money, which means that sooner or later they will also start selling out temu, aliexpress and so on

[solemn pumice]

see, this I can agree on

in that scenario they either buy whatever looks cool, or whatever their favorite influencer recommends them

[vivid tusk]

perhaps I can only judge by the CIS countries and here people choose by the lowest price

[meager dawn]

Doesn’t look like a clear answer, at all

[tawny swan]

better?

[meager dawn]

Not really… frequency doesn’t mean much

[tawny swan]

[meager dawn]

Answers seem pretty dodgy tbh

[jolly kettle]

Wonder how battery life is when playing PSP games on the XU35... Air X only gets about 3hrs, less with performance mode

[meager dawn]

Benchmarks show it’s really close to the Mangmi’s chip

[tawny swan]

Magic

[radiant lantern]

Is this gpu scores

[tawny swan]

yup

[tawny swan]

dude ... i send THOSE benchmarks TODAY

[meager dawn]

Yeah, there they are
Both seem very similar

[tawny swan]

😄

[meager dawn]

You were claiming both the performance in the other channel, which is crazy talk if I’m being honest

[clever verge]

Yep, I saved them to my phone. Ty btw ❤️ 🫡

[tawny swan]

np

[radiant lantern]

Xu20 v32h when

[meager dawn]

On aliexpress please

[fiery panther]

This color makes it very tempting ngl

More than the One 35

[bronze yew]

because the 16:9 bullshit is so cheap it can even be put into the TrimUI Smart Pro which sells for $50 😂

[tawny swan]

= G85 too (it 183)
p.s another proof why 662 weak, just bc GPU bound

but cpu way weaker on g85

so until cpu power enough, G85 can run anything like G1 Gen2 (except better compatibility stuff for QC), when 662 GPU bounded exact after PSP

[meager dawn]

Wait, will the XU35 support video out? Does anyone know?

[rare junco]

Holy smokes, not one single color I can vote for. They all look kinda....just not quite there. Whichever wins in this poll, I'm gonna consider the Air X again 😂

[fiery panther]

I love fun

The green one has the colors of Bellibolt from Pokemon Scarlet/Violet lol

[solemn pumice]

I was literally thinking the same

[glad oriole]

The same high-quality screen prices vary, 3.5-inch 960X640> 4-inch 960X720> 5-inch 1280X720

Screens with the same parameters are divided into different grades. The price difference between the best and the worst is 40%. It is wrong to grade screens based solely on the parameters.

I believe that many people have encountered problems such as light leakage and light spots on the screens of purchased devices.

Touch screens larger than 4.5 inches are prone to light leakage and light spots.

[drowsy bison]

Thanks for clarifying Luna, I figured there was more to the story than simple specifications on paper, but I didn't want to speak up without any information.

[idle arch]

Are they going to reveal the 5.5 inch screen as well?

[stark stirrup]

Powkiddy

[woven shell]

4 looks SO good

[spark cradle]

the average person will also just buy what they need and not care about the price too much as long as both devices are within their budget

it's going to be on their mind for 10 seconds before they decide whether they want the bigger screen or pocketable device

[burnt current]

Shipping of XU20 starts tomorrow

[storm warren]

https://tenor.com/view/good-news-thumbs-up-gif-26519262

[rare junco]

I was going to prepare for it and flash the os in advance, but am I missing something? Why is there only a 128GB image?

[ornate walrus]

What’s the main diff between the 3.5” and like the 35xx H? Just a little better performance in Dreamcast and n64?

[tender reef]

I'll update it tomorrow. I've been checking and testing it these past few days, and some details in the previous stock firmware haven't met my expectations, which may cause some issues. I'll update it again tomorrow.

[fervent solstice]

@tender reef could also upload the phoenixcard image too? for those who have large cards (e.g 512GB+).

[tender reef]

Of course, but it may cause trouble for some people who want to use it out of the box, I will open another version to store it separately

[fervent solstice]

Thank you! Appreciate it ❤️

[rare junco]

Ah I see, thanks.

[burnt current]

Are you asking about the XU35 Vs RG35xxH?

[jolly kettle]

What are the physical dimensions and weight of the XU35 H40 by any chance?

[storm warren]

Some great color combos on that xu35 poll 😍

[languid dagger]

Does anyone knows where to buy this handheld (once it's released)?
Can we order it from AliExpress or is it mainly from their website?

[solemn pumice]

https://www.xuretro.com/

[languid dagger]

Will they also release on AliExpress?

[clever verge]

Direct first, then Re Sellers on AliExpress later

[solemn pumice]

They’ll definitely be there, not sure it they will have an official store though

Resellers most likely

Yes

[languid dagger]

I just tried ordering something (just to see the shipping) and the shipping was only $10, not too bad.

When I was looking at getting a Retroid Pocket, though, the shipping was around $45, so I ended up passing on it.

In this case I will buy it directly from their website

[clever verge]

Because Retroid

[solemn pumice]

because shopify

[clever verge]

Still blaming retroid

[jolly kettle]

If they can put a 5000mah battery in the rg406v surely the XU35 H40 could benefit from that extra capacity

[burnt current]

Good point

[solemn pumice]

verticals always have more space for batteries than horizontals

but the 406h also has 5000mAh so who cares

but then again, it's super thicc, so nly 4000mAh on the H40

[jolly kettle]

Ergo bumps go brr

[zealous jolt]

The XU and MagicX storefronts are also Shopify

It’s just retroid being retroid lol

[solemn pumice]

Nice, glad to hear it

Luckily ayn made retroid obsolete for me

[fiery panther]

XU20 tomorrow hell yeah

[meager dawn]

They don't ship to Brazil 💀💀 RIP
Guess I'm getting it from a reseller on AliExpress

[solemn pumice]

@jolly kettle

Now it’s official

[jolly kettle]

I'll take it

[jolly kettle]

I have a spec sheet graphic almost ready but I just need to know the size, weight and battery capacity and charge input

[fiery panther]

The Tone35 needs to be released before this consoles do

Otherwise I might change my mind of buying it

[tawny swan]

https://youtu.be/dD7DC_a8ttQ?si=gX4RTJs7jjkhUnCN playable (kanjiNX)
https://youtu.be/QNTBwmAfEyY?si=lwZ7GR9oBkvuiUfu 40 fps
https://youtu.be/_eDz6KPPtKQ?si=aqLSvIG0FVjdxfFE 30 fps
https://youtu.be/9D7GTkK9t-s?si=HHxJc9ScHQjxSZli 20-25fps (emu just need time)

wonder how many vita/switch/pc playable games possible to find for G85 😄

[jolly kettle]

NFSMW runs better than the GC version even on a Mali device LOL

Hollow knight has a native android port btw if you do enough googling

[tawny swan]

ik

[tawny swan]

https://youtu.be/sR3JdmVJAIY?si=ceNauhscubQ4r7p0

[jolly kettle]

Not bad for a low-end mali GPU

Will have to try on my RP5, i know that almost locks 60fps playing NFS Carbon at 1080p medium graphics

[jolly kettle]

Power usage looks pretty good too

Not sure if it's accurate though as since it's mali there's no GPU usage stat

[tawny swan]

cpu utilized maximum

accurate

[jolly kettle]

Probably because the cpu frequencies are maxed

When i set my rp5 to high perf mode it shows 100% cpu constantly

[jolly kettle]

Damn that's good power usage in that case

[clever verge]

Wait, what version of NFS MW? I thought the GC version was the easiest to run but Graphically looked the most like crap

[jolly kettle]

PC version

Through gamehub

[clever verge]

Oh! Yea, I'm still working on getting that off the ground on my 4 pro

[jolly kettle]

GC version looks like shit, has shortened music tracks and removed cutscenes

PS2 Black Edition was the best way to play on 6th gen (ignoring the 360)

[tawny swan]

no

bionic

it better

[jolly kettle]

Ah

With vortek driver?

[tawny swan]

ps2 with good res and some graphic mods ye

bc pc look shit too 😄

[jolly kettle]

PC ver has missing effects iirc

[tawny swan]

ig

[jolly kettle]

Like the wind trails behind your car when you're going fast

There's the xenoneffects mod which takes them from nfs carbon and ports them back to mw's pc ver

[tawny swan]

still cant believe that we get device for 75$ with amount of power like 2 years ago anbernic for 160$
(662 impressive too btw, but not that huge)

crazy year

will be insane end of year, if we get Kona ''865'' (Mangmi Pocket Max) for like 150-160$ 🥂

[clever verge]

@jolly kettle

We putting Spruce on the XU Devices Next

[snow bobcat]

The XU40 H55 > Mangmi Air X!

https://gadgetversus.com/processor/mediatek-mt6769z-helio-g85-vs-qualcomm-sm6115-snapdragon-662/

[serene sky]

A larger screen and the stick almost under the d-pad always results in bad ergo.

[tawny swan]

ofc

double of gpu power

[bronze yew]

these are all horrible

[burnt current]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-incorrect-hayden-christensen-anakin-anakin-skywalker-gif-3899021837197386334

[clever verge]

https://tenor.com/view/entitled-to-your-opinion-say-what-you-want-say-whatever-free-speech-gif-12549275

Black/Red, Blue/Black just gorgeous

[terse flare]

2 and 3 are pretty good but it's odd how the face buttons are the only thing on front that's the accent color

hit that dpad as well. and/or stick caps

[radiant lantern]

I wouldn't say they're horrible but they're not really good either

[fiery panther]

XU20 should be shipped today

[solemn pumice]

Yeah I like the H40 colors much more

[languid dagger]

Is it true, that the XU35 H50 might not have a touch screen?🤔🤔

[bronze yew]

all MagicX/XU devices have touch screen (exception being older releases like the XU10, XU Mini M and Zero 28)

[glad oriole]

XU20 V32 delivered to 4PX Logistics on Monday

[frigid condor]

[lone jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[sinful mortar]

Im not sure the H50 does
The sales images dont say touch for the H50 where the others clearly do
And luna was saying touchscreens on 5" have lightbleed issues (translation was unclear as to whether or not they included one)

#1392860755849646151 message

#1392860755849646151 message

[rare junco]

That H40 promo image is not official, btw 😂

[sinful mortar]

ah ok

[tawny swan]

it made by @jolly kettle

and after posted

[sinful mortar]

anyway luna is official and mentioned issues with HU50 touchscreen

[jolly kettle]

Whether the H50 is touch hasn't been clarified

H40 has a better chance of it though

[tawny swan]

both have 100%

touchscreen cheap

[rare junco]

I would believe their intention is to have a touchscreen for all of their devices

[sharp cloud]

I don't think that's what Luna meant, no claims were made for the h50 screen.
To me, Luna is just saying in general that the larger the screen the higher the probability for issues, and that screen panels with the same parameters (resolution etc) can vary significantly in price and quality depending on their grades.
This is a known thing for monitors, TVs etc anyway.

(Magicx/XU Retro assumably using better ones, whether it's true remains to be seen.)

[north dove]

Where did you get those buttons/sticks? 👀

[solemn pumice]

It’s anbernic’s engineering unit. For retail they decided to only put those buttons on the white version.

[north dove]

The white version? That has skittles with everything else white

I didn’t realize any of them had purple buttons/sticks

[solemn pumice]

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You’re right they change the white one as well 😅

[north dove]

Damn, that’s a shame. The purple looks so good

I wonder if I could get those somehow

[zealous jolt]

It really is a shame they scrapped that beautiful colorway

[languid dagger]

If it doesn't have touchscreen, then pass for me😞

[tawny swan]

it will 100%

[languid dagger]

I wonder though if 4GB RAM even is enough to play some Gamecube/PS2 games (since its a bit stronger than Mangmi Air X)?🤔

[tawny swan]

more than enough, and it not bit stronger 🙂

[fiery panther]

What is a Magnami Air

Where that came from

Out of nowhere?

[tawny swan]

GPU power X2, cpu stronger a bit (in phones, how in handhelds i have no idea, but can be higher too)

this why it can handle PS2/GC stuff like T618

662 can not

https://youtu.be/K0r7hBQgF9E?si=3krAT0p-6xQ-TT22 example (Realme narzo 30a) heavyest game btw on GC and PS2

[languid dagger]

Daam didn't know it was that strong! Then I might get this instead of the Mangmi Air X

[tawny swan]

@languid dagger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR3JdmVJAIY also 😄

wonder who, and when we will get G99 for 100$ (predict soon)

Geekbench6

Wild LIfe Extreme

Will be huge impact after G85 ... (35+% CPU/60%+ GPU)

[sinful mortar]

I mean ZPG1 unicorn was close wasnt it like $115 at launch/when it was available

[jolly kettle]

Rogue Squadron II is more like the heaviest game...

[tawny swan]

Yeah ... it was revolutionary device

[sinful mortar]

not saying you could get it less but with coupons you'd probably get pretty close to $100

Sad it never really caught on

[tawny swan]

hmm, let me see

[jolly kettle]

It struggles on my RP5

[tawny swan]

it heavy or just broken compability?

[jolly kettle]

Heavy

[tawny swan]

cant be

[jolly kettle]

Factor5 used the gamecube hardware to its fullest extent

[tawny swan]

gamecube weak console

[jolly kettle]

And this was a launch title mind you

[tawny swan]

hm, interesting

hell nah

it broken

struggle on Elite

8 gen 2

gen 3

just emu compatibility issues

[remote swallow]

Do you mean weak nowadays or of its gen? It was actually straight up the second strongest 6th-Gen console, the strongest being the Xbox.

[tawny swan]

480i

[bronze yew]

and Xbox came out later

[livid herald]

Antec once the firesales need to go hard, I bet

[tawny swan]

compare to socs

[remote swallow]

And it’s even more weirder in its design.

[tawny swan]

it was strong console, but never used at full power

[livid herald]

I recall reading some games actually ran better on GC than PS2 due to the additional headroom (Turok: Evolution, all the Sonic games that released that generation, maybe Gauntlet: Dark Legacy despite the bugs that got introduced, but I'm not sure)

[tawny swan]

this why we get horible graphics on everything

just bc they want to limit every game size

[bronze yew]

a lot of stuff ran better, loading times included, shit had to be chopped into small parts for PS2 releases

only thing GCN struggled with was the small disc size

[livid herald]

But yeah, the smaller optical disk size DID mean a lot of games either skipped the GC or had to deal with worse graphics due to needing to shove in smaller textures

[tawny swan]

if GC used for 100%, we will see PS2 killer

in terms of graphics and performance

[jolly kettle]

GC suffered in some multiplatform games too, mainly cause of small disc size

[remote swallow]

Shit, the PS2 outright had worse performance for games compared to the GC, not even just loading times. Most games on PS2 had to be limited to 30fps while the GC versions were almost all 60 fps, but even those 30fps games were still stuttering.

[tawny swan]

yeah, 60 fps but what cost?)

potato graphic

[jolly kettle]

Def Jam Fight for NY and NFSMW are examples I can recall off the top of my head

[tawny swan]

every effects disabled

[livid herald]

Some Wii games are partially what happens when the GC actually HAS full size disks to use

[jolly kettle]

And there were some shit ports too

Like Crash Bandicoot TWOC

[remote swallow]

The hell are you talking about? Most of the GC ports were freaking higher res internally than the PS2 ports.

[tawny swan]

res is not everything

[jolly kettle]

Yea 640x480 vs 512/640x448

[remote swallow]

Oh absolutely, if you phone in ports, they’ll almost always end up being shit.

[jolly kettle]

Some were abit lower than 640x480 though apparently

[livid herald]

(I know Scarface: The World Is Yours and Mortal Kombat: Armagaddeon flat out decided to go for Wii since they targeted 6th-gen, couldn't fit it on the GC's small disks, and it turned out they released close to the 7th gen, so the Wii was available to the devs)

[tawny swan]

u can have lower, but with better graphics

[jolly kettle]

596x448

[tawny swan]

for example Need for Speed MW 😛

GC version looks absolutely shit

[jolly kettle]

NFSMW ran at about the same framerate on GC original hardware than PS2

If not abit worse

[tawny swan]

im not talking about framerate

[jolly kettle]

Oh ok, either way if you play on a wii with nintendont it's a different story

[jolly kettle]

Shortened OST, no blacklist intros, yada yada

Xbox ver had screen tearing

[remote swallow]

The literal only reason the PS2 did as well as it did is directly because of the fact it was sold as being able to also act as a dvd player during a time when standalone dvd players were more expensive. So most people ended up getting a PS2 instead just to watch dvd’s, families conveniently being able to double up on their kids playing games.

[tawny swan]

https://youtu.be/VAqo8Bjzedc?si=NjD5vPlt-0tBPd70

[jolly kettle]

Even the unmodded PC ver has some missing effects

[remote swallow]

It’s the whole reason why it was the best selling console of all time, even in spite of being among the weakest of the 6th-gen systems (the Dreamcast being only barely weaker).

[remote swallow]

Did you not listen to our entire comment chain about the fact that there were in fact phoned-in GC and Xbox ports after people started seeing just how absurdly successful the PS2 was?

[livid herald]

That is true. Also helped that they had a 1 year head start, so by the time the GC and XB came out, devs had gotten more stuff out

[remote swallow]

Like, if you want examples, how about looking up the differences between the Tales of Symphonia ports?

[livid herald]

I think Psychonauts and Malice are also good examples: both were originally intended for the XB, but then the devs of both realized that the PS2 had a bigger install base, so... yeah

[clever verge]

PsP NFS MW was awful, not even the same game

[remote swallow]

Or how about the fact that the PS2 port of Mega Man X Command Mission had to outright use way shittier audio quality and blurrier textures due to both needing to be compressed to hell and back, both being way cleaner on the GC port (with the cherry on top being that the GC port ran full 60fps versus the PS2 version only supporting 30fps)?

[sharp cloud]

Ps2 is definitely weaker on the whole but there was some stuff that it can do better than the other 2 consoles

Particle effect and/or some alpha transparency stuff iirc

[remote swallow]

Yup, in general the PS2 was a way weaker system, but because of its popularity people were way more incentivized to make games that work well on it.

[jolly kettle]

Sonic Heroes

Resident Evil 4

Killer7

[sinful mortar]

TL:DR funky disks bad, better pipeline for gfx/lighting :drakenod:

[tawny swan]

360 = xbox = ps2 = pc = gc

[tawny swan]

that was lie

[jolly kettle]

PC can be modded to look like the 360 ver

[tawny swan]

can be to look close

[remote swallow]

…That is outright one of the most objectively proven reasons for the PS2 being as insanely successful as it was.

[tawny swan]

that wasn't the reason for so many sales, just one of them

[remote swallow]

Like, if it didn’t have the ability to play dvd’s, then yeah it probably still would’ve done well thanks to the goodwill the PS1 gave Sony, but it wouldn’t be the current single most successful console of all time.

[tawny swan]

gamecube wasnt good console, except pure performance (but like i sayed before, they dont use hardware potential)

like 60-70% at max

• It did not become popular due to its complex arch

[remote swallow]

Like holy fuck, saying it’s just “one of the reasons” is one of the biggest understatements I’ve ever heard. Even Xbox later on made a movie watching kit for using with the Xbox classic just because of how well it worked for the PS2, and even then it was still both too late and also still not as good (since the PS2 could do that natively even with the DS2 controller, versus Xbox needing specific peripherals just to allow you to do the same).

[remote swallow]

And the fact the Dreamcast couldn’t do it at all thanks to how it was designed (could only use CD’s and GD’s) fucking killed the damn thing.

[sinful mortar]

Fun fact the peripheral was just a hardware key to unlock DVD movie codecs (which sony paid for and built in off the rip)

[remote swallow]

Exactly!

[sinful mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQpSENqKHOU

if anyone wanted to learn more

[remote swallow]

Like, them fucking up and making it locked down and unable to play movies by default (even though it actively could) completely destroyed any chance it had at competing with the PS2. You can’t compete with a game console that can double as the “current cheapest dvd player in the market”.

[radiant lantern]

Can confirm, watching over the hedge on my family PS2 was peak console experience

[soft cave]

Are there any MediaTek handhelds with Linux support?

[sinful mortar]

@jolly kettle any ^ yet? I think no still

[jolly kettle]

No

[sinful mortar]

Mediatek basically doesnt do linux afaik
Very rarely for their genio SBC lines but not something thats come to handhelds

these SBC models support yocto linux

we get more the helio and dimensity chips tho

[jolly kettle]

The MT8370 in the Abxylute One Pro is being mainlined apparently

(cheers Claude)

[sinful mortar]

yeah its based on the genio 510 SoC afaik

*Mtk8370 is the internal code for genio 510

[remote swallow]

It literally wasn’t even just performance, it was also loading times and actual video/audio quality since it just had a cleaner video/audio output in general (and that’s for analog, I’m not even talking about the fact it had a freaking digital output port).

[jolly kettle]

Panfrost driver supports it now

[sinful mortar]

to bad the One pro is horribly priced imo
just get the odin 2 portal at that rate same price better chip with linux support

[remote swallow]

This doesn’t help when a lot of the devs are just phoning it in towards the end of the 6th-gen and not bothering to make a good port for anything but the insanely successful PS2, but it still led to a lot of the earlier GC and Xbox ports better than their PS2 since you’d have devs going from working with GC and Xbox to having to make an unplanned port for PS2.

I know it sounds like I’m trying to “defend my childhood console” right now, but I’m not kidding in the slightest when I say I literally had a PS2 instead of the GC because of my family wanting a cheap dvd player.

[livid herald]

I think the 8183 is mainlined too? Chromebooks used it, which may explain that

But yeah, no Linux mainline support. The G85 and D7050 that XU is using apparently have run Ubuntu Touch, though... probably via a layer on top of Android

And postmarketOS is trying to develop a port for P65 and related chips (including the G85): https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/MediaTek_Helio_P65_(MT6768)

[glad oriole]

The XU20 V32 will be shipped tomorrow and will be sent to 20 bloggers for review.

[frigid condor]

gimme one

that magenta looks so kitty

[burnt current]

I love it

[viral ice]

I’m actually very interested in this little guy

[zealous jolt]

Same. I’ll review it to my 3 whole subscribers 😂

[fiery panther]

Don't stack them like that, the screens will get scratched

[jolly kettle]

I love how the xu20 looks

[fiery panther]

Very cool looking console indeed

[jolly kettle]

And I can't wait for the xu35

Will be a market disruptor for sure

[fiery panther]

Brick killer

[storm warren]

Yeah no

[fiery panther]

Oh wait, 35

Hmm idk

[burnt current]

Definitely not the Brick killer lol

Brick has just been out for too long at this point

These devices tend to live and die by their firmware

And the Brick has gotten so much community support

It's like how the Miyoo Mini/+ never got killed despite having competitors that beat it in most areas

Since those competitors didn't have Onion

[fiery panther]

In the case of the XU20

It should have all what Breeze have done until now with the Zero 28

And it comes with something similar to GarlicOS

Just hope it is more stable

If not, Gamma already said that he will put GammaOS on it

[burnt current]

I'm reasonably confident that the stock firmware on this will be solid enough

[zealous jolt]

Xu20 should get Linux pretty quick, probably knulli since it supports the brick and other a133p devices. I think the main thing holding back the zero28 is the screen, but I guess there’s also control issues which may or may not be present on the xu20 🤷‍♂️

[storm warren]

Wouldve loved some internal storage on xu20

[zealous jolt]

Ew no internal storage. It’s a pain to flash cfw to, a pain to unbrick if a flash or update goes wrong, and the lifespan is not the best. All this stuff is resolved by using an sd card as internal memory

[fiery panther]

A reason of why the Tone35 is taking so long

If any bugs appear they might be there forever

So Sean is probably looking for every nook and cranny of the system to avoid any

[zealous jolt]

They should’ve just made it boot from an sd

[radiant lantern]

Nah

My zero 28 takes forever to boot

[fiery panther]

Probably it is better for Android to run on Emmc

It is designed for it

[radiant lantern]

And the tone35 isn't likely to get a lot of cfw so there's not much downside

[fiery panther]

It is Android 12 from what I remember

Or 13?

[earnest mountain]

Android 12

[drowsy bison]

The zero 28 runs android, it's very heavy for these even if it's stripped

[fiery panther]

Yeah it is better if you just don't shut down it

If you're planning to use it constantly

[zealous jolt]

Why are you turning it off?

[radiant lantern]

I don't, but if the battery runs out it takes a few minutes to boot

[burnt current]

That doesn't sound right

[radiant lantern]

Maybe I should time it next time

[fiery panther]

That's not normal

[lusty marten]

Does the Mediatek Helio G85 have good N64 performance? I can’t find great answers because I don’t know anything about these CPU and GPU stats that google gives me lol

[radiant lantern]

Huh, maybe it just feels longer, or my sd card is faulty. I don't have it on me rn but I'll check next time

[zealous jolt]

You could also try an A2 card for sd1, should speed it up a bit

[zealous jolt]

Yea it will play almost every title perfectly, the majority should play full speed at an upscale too

[rare junco]

XU20 is the brick killer. It's essentially a better Brick in all aspects.

[burnt current]

You're not wrong, but community support is such a massive part of whether or not a device will actually be "replaced" or not

Brick's been out nearly a year now and has things like NextUI

[rare junco]

It's kinda funny to bring in community support. There's a lot of things I could say about that which Linux users wouldn't like to hear so I'll just say this, if it's been a year and the best it's got is some MinUI rehash (no offense to MinUI), I don't think the community is strong at all tbh. Maybe this opinion will change once muOS for the brick comes out.

[storm warren]

First of all it needs to ship, feel good while playing and not have squeaky controls like the zero28

[radiant lantern]

Neither need to kill each other

[stark stirrup]

Intriguing. I love my one pro

[woven shell]

aside from the two cakes argument this is just straight up false lmao

[fiery panther]

Christmas tomorrow

[flat quiver]

what's on tomorrow? xu20 starts shipping?

[rare junco]

The XU20 has the same screen, more ram, it's smaller, better color choices, and Android. The brick would have an upper hand if only it had at least 1 stick, but it doesn't. So yeah, the XU20 is essentially a better Brick.

[woven shell]

kid named gigantic bezel

[rare junco]

Bezels are fine with a touchscreen

Which the brick also doesn't have

[north dove]

We don’t even have the device in-hand yet. We don’t know if the build quality will match the Brick or if the controls will be good.

[rare junco]

True. But I've heard quite a handful of bad things about the brick's build quality as well. So I'm not sure "matching the brick" is a good thing.

[north dove]

Only issue I’ve had with my Bricks (I have 3) are inconsistencies with the shoulder button sounds. Everything else is very premium looking and feeling.

[drowsy bison]

I've had issues with devices from both companies, this one probably won't be the exception

[north dove]

I personally really like the colors on the Brick, so that point is very subjective, too

Specs alone don’t make a device. I have devices with higher specs that are much worse than some with lower specs

[rare junco]

The build quality and "good controls" is pretty subjective too. Sounds like you have had good luck with your devices.

But eh, at this point I won't be getting a brick at all, so I won't be able to compare.

[north dove]

Those are significantly less subjective than color preference lol

[rare junco]

Not really

[north dove]

Okay, pal

[woven shell]

LMAO

"this is so much better than the awful brick"

"also i've never owned a brick"

[rare junco]

Don't have to buy both to know which is better.

[north dove]

Right now you don’t have either

[rare junco]

And I still know which is going to be better

[north dove]

I’m sure you do

[rare junco]

Yup

[woven shell]

bait used to be believable

[fiery panther]

Yee

[flat quiver]

oh right. also excited for mine

[glad oriole]

Thank you for your discussion on the D7350 in the community last night. We have just reached a preliminary agreement with MagicX and the D7350 will be available on the XU series early next year.

[fiery panther]

The XU20s have been shipped!

So excited to try it out

[rare junco]

Fuck yeah mine shipped too. Better Brick is on the way.

[static aurora]

Yeah, trimui needs to make brick pro with same 2gb of ram and touchscreen 😅

[rare junco]

Give it a stick or slider without making it any larger and I'll bite.

[burnt current]

Forgot to say, but the Retroid Pocket 2S has an SoC that is extremely close in terms of power

So if you're interested in performance, you could see what people said about that one

[glad oriole]

At the time, the XU10 was rated by many bloggers as the best D-pad under $100. Now that the XU20's D-pad has been upgraded, I'm looking forward to reviewing the best D-pad under $200.

[jolly kettle]

Wonder what a XU D7350 device would be

Seems like a pretty power efficient chip

4nm, new core architecture etc

[frigid condor]

is the xu30’s D-pad going to be the best D-pad under $300?

[tawny swan]

good news

[tawny swan]

ideal ps2 emulation, like on 1100 / 865 (but in 1.5-2x instead of 2-2.5x)

[remote swallow]

Doesn’t this actively have more ram and a touch screen though?

Like, I imagine community support would already be more desirable on this for specifically the ram, the touch screen mainly being a borderline-necessary bonus for those who want to use the Android firmware.

[storm warren]

Outside of Portmaster, RAM isnt really an issue on Brick

[remote swallow]

Meanwhile the Brick outright can’t support Android even with Gamma trying, just because of its ram being too slow for it to work. So it’s literally limited to just MinUI and stock as the options currently.

Edit: Forgot about Knulli, I usually don’t use it anyways but that’s still an option.

[remote swallow]

Hell, even MuOS will probably be better on this just because of the fact that it actually has 2 sd card slots so people can use their standard sd-2 card for games and saves while keeping the firmware on a smaller 32GB card, versus the Brick outright needing you to use 1 sd card for everything.

[storm warren]

Brick has, afaik:

• stock OS and various mods of it
• MinUI,PakUI,NextUI
• Knulli
• muOS (wip)
• spruceOS (wip)

[storm warren]

I somehow was under the impression this has a single SD card slot, dunno why

[livid herald]

Didn't realize the Brick actually had slower RAM compared to the TSP

[spark cradle]

this probably doesn't even need community support given how good the stock OS looks

[burnt current]

Probably not

So, relevant question

[storm warren]

Unless you dont like Android

[burnt current]

How long does it take for an Android handheld to boot up

[burnt current]

This is indeed the case for a lot of people in the community AFAIK

Another reason for why regardless of how good the XU20 will be, it won't replace the Brick

[remote swallow]

Welp, while I enjoy MuOS and would be happy to see this device be supported by it, I’m thankfully not in that group since I honestly love Android. Only issue I have with it is lack of Portmaster, and this chipset already doesn’t support all the games anyways.

[burnt current]

I'm unfamiliar with Android on lower-end devices

My only Android handheld is Odin 2 Mini

I guess Zero28 as well, but I immediately put it on MinUI

[jolly kettle]

Yeah I mean like form factor wise

[clever verge]

The issue with the Brick had nothing to do with Build quality

It's the damn a133p chip, no XU Retro chip gonna fix that problem if they using the same thing

Also, didn't someone bring Android to the Brick?

[remote swallow]

No, because the ram is too slow. Even Gamma can’t work his magic.

[clever verge]

Same 1gb ram on other Gamma ports

Guess the chip IS the problem

[solemn pumice]

I thought RNS said too slow

[remote swallow]

Like I said, the ram chips they used is actively too slow, it’s slower than even the Trimui Smart Pro’s.

[clever verge]

We will see if Gamma gets XU20

The Screen is nice on the Brick, but it is full on Micro Switches. So it was a bust for me Personally

[remote swallow]

Oh that’s the wild part, he’s actively shown interest in it.

#1392860755849646151 message

[clever verge]

No argument he has interest, saw that as well

Being successful with it, different story

[remote swallow]

Wait, I completely missed this part. Did you finally figure out a workaround for the TSB?!

[storm warren]

The workaround probably is "wait for xu20 and transplant it from there"

[clever verge]

My fav part, all my friends who actively use the Brick as their EDC device are based in Canada. Where the Heat of the Chips would bother them less

[solemn pumice]

You might onto something..

[remote swallow]

That’s the issue, the whole problem was the fact the Trimui Brick runs on LPDDR3x ram despite the TSP using LPDDR4x.

The XU20 getting it makes sense since it’s also using DDR4 ram (and 2GB at that), but I’m actually surprised he may have figured something out for the Brick.

[clever verge]

In my own Defense, I use the same tactic in the Walk in Refrigerator at my job to Play test Wii U on my 4 pro. Added Cool Air with Fan on High let's me get better results for longer

[hollow saddle]

You're right, the stupid amount of heat and humidity we experience in Southern Ontario during the summer makes the Brick feel like a cooling pad in our hands

[clever verge]

And in the Winter, Y'all got a Pocket Warmer while you play N64/DC/PsP

[hollow saddle]

Exactly! There's absolutely no downside to the Brick up here hehehe

[clever verge]

🇨🇦

[hollow saddle]

[spark cradle]

should be faster than your normal Linux-powered ones

[storm warren]

Doubtful

[sinful mortar]

Unless you're used to bloated ES frontends with large libraries & scanning on
Linux is way fast to boot

[jolly kettle]

@glad oriole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhn8qqbxWUw

Not gonna lie this would be a good screen for an RG406 killer device with a D7050

4.2" 1024x768

Not sure if you'd be able to get a touch variant though

[dry sierra]

I would rather take the 4 inch 960x720 screens

[jolly kettle]

True I suppose

[dry sierra]

for 4:3 4.2 inches I demand 1080p or 960p

or

720p could also work well if we double down on integer scaling

[dry sierra]

though this screen could be amazing for an upcoming dualscreen clamshell, perfect ds integerscaling, good 3ds integerscaling and the exact size of a dsi xl screen

paired with a 6 inch 16:9 it could be a very compelling option

[jolly kettle]

Yes

6" 1920x1080 + 4.2" 1024x768

[glad oriole]

Low-quality screen

[tawny swan]

can u share model name?

[glad oriole]

You guys are not in China so you don't understand how crappy these low quality supply chains are.

There is no way that the factories that still use RK3326 can have any good products in China.

[dry sierra]

Well I can only really see the resolution and asume that it's an okay quality

seeing how good a screen actually is usually down real life testing

[tawny swan]

it doesnt work like that

Displays have many parameters by which quality is assessed, in addition to the percentage of defects in batches.

[dry sierra]

So it's roughly possible to estimate?

[tawny swan]

ye

[dry sierra]

yeah unfortunately I'm not good at that

[tawny swan]

Key parameters are speed, color space coverage, brightness (can be separate), and the quality of the panel itself. accessibility also

[burnt current]

I'm surprised by how blunt you are about it

[lyric totem]

BattleXP (Anbernic) g350

[burnt current]

G350 is basically the one exception lol

[lyric totem]

I don't think soc choice is a clear indication of bad product.

But low soc = low cost = low quality. So kinda right I guess

As long as customer knows what to expect

[tawny swan]

it does, when it cost more than nothing

like anbernic 😄

[lyric totem]

Nobody buys R36S thinking it's a quality product. But it's fine for the cost

[tawny swan]

nop

u can get much better for this price

[lyric totem]

Not really. R36s is pretty much the cheapest. Even the battleXP is a few buck more expensive

What would upset me if I pay 200+ and my device has problems...

[fervent solstice]

Can I say that I love the way you talk shit about other companies? lmao

[plucky halo]

Says the guys that used RK3562 (?)

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dog-angry-what-is-gif-23717253

[burnt current]

He does have a point tho

[fervent solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-dog-traumatized-gif-10801559770686219962

[sinful mortar]

something something rk3326S

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[woven shell]

the gkd pixel ii is an example of an amazing product using a 3326 still

but generally the point is more toward the endless r36 clone sloppa

[tawny swan]

common 4:3 3326s with crazy price now amazing product?

[woven shell]

4:3 apparently makes a device bad now?

literally be so for real

[tawny swan]

no, price did for this extreamaly bad specs

[woven shell]

its made of metal

LMAO

extremely bad specs

stop trolling

[livid herald]

From what I've seen, 640x480 also makes a device bad

(Me slowly leaning towards getting a Zero28...)

[woven shell]

hobby has gotten mainstream enough where half of people complain about stuff having normal specs

they want 4k displays for $30 and everything that doesn't is ewaste this ewaste that

wumpurt and his effect

[livid herald]

Meanwhile, me who just wants good N64 support, dangit. (Wish the emulators for that weren't trapped in a weird limbo)

[tawny swan]

rofl moment, when u can get metal smart brick instead of gkd pixel 2 (or forget about useless metal, and get plastic 3566 something OR forget about horizontal and get A527 device)

[livid herald]

Admittedly, the Bricks are easier to get (at least for me), and are probably more practical

[tawny swan]

yup, way better device at all

[plucky halo]

3326s

[fiery panther]

I love honesty

[woven shell]

We're really engaging in braindead arguments here

[frigid condor]

it was only once

[sinful mortar]

never heard of her

[fiery panther]

Lmao

[remote swallow]

Why do you think they hate the rk3326 so much?

You already are less likely to enjoy something you’re forced to use. Imagine how much you’d hate something after being tricked into using it?

[sinful mortar]

Imagine if it happened twice

in a row

[tawny swan]

[remote swallow]

By that point, it makes Luna’s shit talking honestly understandable.

The bamboozling was so bad the entire company got traumatized.

[sinful mortar]

whats next for them A133 non P?

[tawny swan]

anyway use something lower than H700 its fucking crime on 2k24/2k25 (on ultra low range)

[woven shell]

does this guy say anything that makes any sense

[tawny swan]

says 3326 enjoyer for 80$

[woven shell]

guy who legitimately thinks the pixel 2 is somehow a bad deal

[tawny swan]

not think, i know that ... and almost everyone will agree

[plush dome]

Man I really enjoy my GKD Pixel 2

It's not for everyone. But those that know what they want will enjoy it

[rare junco]

I like the Pixel 2. It's smol. I like smol.

It took me 4 or 5 tries on Ali before I found a seller that actually ships, though. That wasn't fun.

[frigid condor]

and luna doesn’t even work at magicx

[fiery panther]

Come on, move already

[rare junco]

Maybe they're still sitting on MagicX's doorstep waiting to be picked up.

[plucky halo]

Yeah and the RK3326S that is actually RK3326 is not another case?

[frigid condor]

meow

[fiery panther]

Omg my package just moved

[frigid condor]

hell yeah

[burnt current]

Yeah it says 4PX just received the shipment

[vagrant iris]

I will order my XU20 when they will launch preorders for XU35 (preferably H40, but I'm slowly leaning towards H50 as well) so pleas guys write about how do you like it so far asap

[static aurora]

Anbernic RG351M with 3326 is made of metal as well 🙃

[static aurora]

Yeah 🚀
13:05 4PX received shipment.

[rare junco]

Such an important package they had to measure it twice.

[jolly kettle]

Can't wait for the xu20 reviews

[storm warren]

Lots of measuring going on over there

[fiery panther]

Xu Reviews

[fiery panther]

Will Zu make the review of the Xu consoles?

[burnt current]

He must

He must

[sinful mortar]

"what have we learned today, maybe chinese companys should step off my brand it belongs to me"

maybe throw in an "oh, I know" for good measure

[fiery panther]

God can this move faster please

[drowsy bison]

mine's left the 4PX location

[fiery panther]

Oh mine too

[static aurora]

Depart from facility to service provider 🚀

[languid dagger]

I’m curious, which would run PS2 games better: the XU35 H50 or the Mangmi Air X? 🤔

[burnt current]

G85 has a stronger CPU than SD662 I'm pretty sure

[sharp cloud]

662 does come with 4 large cores which aethersx2 does use, but then the GPU.....

I think results will be mixed for ps2 depending on the games.

GameCube should be more definitive in the g85 favor, since dolphin is predominantly dual thread/core for the main emulation (there is a 3rd for some misc stuff).

[burnt current]

Does GPU matter for PS2?

[remote swallow]

Not as much as the CPU. It’s still used, but the CPU is more important.

[sharp cloud]

GPU matters for any emulators that use hardware acceleration. Just that you need to meet the cpu requirement first before the GPU can have sufficient work to do (becomes GPU bound).

You can do software rendering for ps2, but I not sure if even the 8g2 can does that well, never bother trying.

[jolly kettle]

4 large cores but they're a73 architecture...

2x a75 will stomp all over it

[burnt current]

Thank you Cobalt

I don't know shit about chipset architecture so I was wondering how it was that G85 would perform better

[remote swallow]

As is, Mali would still be the thing that arguably ruins it versus the Snapdragon 662.

…However, there is this little bit of info that may change that in the future.

[sharp cloud]

unless there is severe clock speed difference or some severe drop in clocks when maxing out the 4 cores, the difference between a73 and a75 (~15-20% at the same clocks) is not enough to cover the difference between a73 and small a55 core.
even the ancient large A57 core in the switch 1 stomps on a A53/a55, if you just discussing performance

[glad oriole]

It is a fact that G85 is better than 662, plus MTK official technical support for this project, G85 is absolutely excellent in terms of performance, heat generation and power consumption.

[jolly kettle]

Yeah it's a lot more power efficient than the 662 especially

[glad oriole]

We understand these devices because we have physical tests on various devices.

[sharp cloud]

is mediatek still developing newer driver for the gpu/mali g52mp2 in the G85? If not, I assume most updated one will be the one included in the android build?

[jolly kettle]

Have y'all tested pc games through gamefusion? I know of a couple of examples that might run better than PS2/GC emulation regardless of the mali gpu, namely the Need for Speed titles by EA Black Box

[tawny swan]

depend what resolution

[tawny swan]

when u leak some benchmakrs on that device?

[tawny swan]

nop

only qualcomm / exynos have long time driver support, second much longer

[livid herald]

I do wonder if Exynos also means the weird RDNA-based GPUs in some flagships

[tawny swan]

rdna-based gpus (Eclipse) the best 🙂

they has full vulcan support, latest and up-date gpu drivers

[livid herald]

It's only last year that us Americans are actually getting them, and via a FE-series device

[tawny swan]

always

this why it can way more in switch emulation than any qualcomm

[glad oriole]

In the retro device market, Qualcomm 8th Gen 2 and above are indeed ahead of MTK. MTK's drivers have poor compatibility with PC emulators, Switch, and Wii U emulators.

But at the Snapdragon 865 level, I'd choose the D7350. It's more advantageous when running PS2, GC, and 3DS multi-scaling. Its heat dissipation and power consumption are much better than the Snapdragon 865, and importantly, it has a clear price advantage.

[tawny swan]

why u wont pick G1 Gen 2?

it perfect soc for ps2 device 1x

[sharp cloud]

g1 gen 2 not comparable to a d7350

[tawny swan]

ik -_-

i mean at all

[jolly kettle]

G1 Gen 2 is more comparable to the D900

[sharp cloud]

in cpu, gpu substantially weaker still

[jolly kettle]

D7350 is basically a D7200 with overclocked big cores and GPU

[tawny swan]

cpu like t820/900 yes

[glad oriole]

Soon MagicX will announce a new device with MTK chipset, specifically PK Qualcomm G1 Gen2

[jolly kettle]

Huh?

[tawny swan]

Yeay

[jolly kettle]

D7350 is 3ghz on the big cores and 1300mhz on the gpu
D7200 is 2.8ghz on the big cores and 1130mhz on the gpu

[jolly kettle]

You mean magicx are announcing a d7050 device? Since that's the closest chipset they have to the qcom g1g2

[glad oriole]

MagicX will only release the actual chip before the release because too many competitors are paying attention to the information they release.

[jolly kettle]

Aha yeah, kinda what they did to throw off competitors with the "p65"

But on a larger scale

[tawny swan]

eh 🙁

Soon it like +- 3 month?

[jolly kettle]

What do you mean by "PK Qualcomm G1 Gen2" tho?

[tawny swan]

or faster

[glad oriole]

MTK's low-frequency A78 chip will not heat up even if it runs in performance mode for 10 hours.

[jolly kettle]

Yeah that's the d7050 for you, pretty efficient chip

Or the 7300 (4nm)

[glad oriole]

Better than G1 Geo2

[jolly kettle]

I can imagine the d7350 being a good bit more power efficient than the sd865

4nm, only 2 big cores and a newer core architecture

[tawny swan]

except drivers

is it really way cheaper?

[glad oriole]

D7350 is a MTK custom chip and is rarely used in mobile phones.

[tawny swan]

yeah ik

2 phones have it just

hm, maybe that a right strategy ... if mtk can do the same at least until ps2

[jolly kettle]

Yea it's a d7200 with oc'd big cores and GPU

Will handle GC/3DS/PS2 with relative ease

The nothing phone (2a)+ uses it

[glad oriole]

It's difficult for consumers to find a physical D7350 to test, including from device manufacturers in China.

[jolly kettle]

That's like the only phone that uses it

[glad oriole]

The D7350 is a high-performance version of the D7200

If the D7350 is priced around $150, it could be the most budget-friendly PS2 GC 3DS graduation device.

[jolly kettle]

Yes

You mean the price of the chip itself? Or a rough price of a handheld built around it

[tawny swan]

that chip cant cost that much

[glad oriole]

D7350 device

[tawny swan]

readed

Elite itself cost 200$ (arround, depend what contract)

[jolly kettle]

$150 for a D7350 handheld is very very competitive

[tawny swan]

yup

[stark stirrup]

Ktr1s is supposed to use d7300

[burnt current]

That shit's alive?

Or did that come to you in a dream

[tawny swan]

i dont believe in companies like that ... XU and Mangmi (also ayaneo) only alive, Retroid can comeback too

[jolly kettle]

Shhh don't tell luna about the QC nightmare that was the KTR1

[tawny swan]

hmm g99/7300 that interesting

[tawny swan]

where that channel btw, i cant find

[burnt current]

Different server

Idk which one though

[tawny swan]

yikes

wtf

Elite!? for 200$?

wtf

[burnt current]

I thought that image was a joke

[tawny swan]

seems like

only chipset cost like that

[burnt current]

Especially since it says it has a 112000mAh battery lol

[tawny swan]

small batch

[tawny swan]

oh

i thought it 11200

[dry sierra]

I think this image was made as a joke

[tawny swan]

yeah

https://www.notebookcheck-cn.com/KT-Pocket-KT-R1S.993328.0.html freaks -_-

btw

[dry sierra]

8 elite would be so dumb in a 3:2 screen handheld that is only 4.5 inches

aint no way anybody would be enjoying switch games on a screen the equivalent of a psp

[tawny swan]

exactly

[stark stirrup]

Apparently he is still selling lots of these in China

[tawny swan]

give me their ds link pls

cant find

[stark stirrup]

https://discord.gg/3xa3CUpn

[tawny swan]

thx

[dry sierra]

ktr1 is in theory the perfect handheld, well that is if it wasn't overpriced

it was good value maybe in like 2021

that is why the rgb50 could be so great

well that is if it releases at all

[tawny swan]

we just need back time when G99 cost 100$

and something will change at all

[dry sierra]

wait, was there really such a time?

[tawny swan]

um, Unicorn on sales yes

[dry sierra]

well to be fair you can get alldocube iplay 50 pros for less that 100 bucks

those are g99s

[tawny swan]

doesnt count

i mean handhelds

for 100$ u can get even 765G