Retroid Pocket Classic

[frank grove]

Or rather just used to it

[sage silo]

Linux would be nice to use but with it being a new chip it's unlikely to happen. I remember reading somewhere that it only happened for the RP5 because the drivers or whatever were released 2 years ago from Qualcomm

The RP Classic has a new chip so it's unlikely

[nova skiff]

there are some ES-DE themes designed around squareish aspect ratios that could be worth trying

[frank grove]

I like that it opens up the massive library of android games

[nova skiff]

yeah though tbh most of the good ones are ports

given the screen and controls what android games do you have in mind?

[silver shadow]

I used Daijisho on my O2M because it supports multiple microSD cards and I used Skraper to import scrapes separately, but yeah, I’m ready to move onto ES-DE for my Classic

[summer marsh]

Sounds good, I have used Dajisho before and didn’t mind it though I think I’ll try ES-DE on this

[frank grove]

San andreas and alien isolation

Isolation I dont think will actually be playable with just a dpad, but san andreas would be fine id think

Vice city and gta 3 run perfectly on the brick with portmaster

I also want to try the port of Another World

[nova skiff]

oh nice

[frank grove]

Its on the list of greatest games of all time, and Im stuck on the first part lol

Figured there may have been some tweaks on the android port

[nova skiff]

there's a sega cd version which I think would be a lot of fun with the 6 button classic

[frank grove]

I think I have every version of it at this point, and still dont know which may be the simplest

Gba or snes maybe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best

[plain flax]

artbook next already works with square ratios

all i need!

artbook next is like the most versatile theme, end game theme!

[dusty marsh]

So they really shipping this out in the next couple of days? Or was that just for the flip 2?

[plain flax]

the flip 2 has started shipping. yes this is supposed to ship in the next couple of days

[frank grove]

They claim on weds

[dusty marsh]

Best of luck 🤘❤️

[solar nebula]

My thing is I’m not going to the trouble of setting up Android if I don’t have the sticks to use for those games

[summer marsh]

Still no first impressions/reviews 😵‍💫

[nova skiff]

I heard they just shipped out review units

[summer marsh]

I enjoy playing Quake 2 for ps1 on verticals lol

[frank grove]

Whered you hear

[frank grove]

Yea all those older ones are fine, where you move and look with one control

But modern fps you need two

[dusty marsh]

Quake 2 64 in the remaster edition was awesome to play.

[nova skiff]

@frank grove

[summer marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/heaving-breathing-kitty-fat-cat-chubby-cat-gif-17820448

[gloomy lichen]

My classic is shipping with my flip via 4px

[nova skiff]

interesting, some peeps were saying flip 2 and classic are shipping separately

[fossil echo]

Retroid told us it would

[gloomy lichen]

It just updated about an hour ago previously it didn't show the classic

[fossil echo]

curious, when did you put in your order?

[frank grove]

Arent there like "2" types of dhl, one thats gets something to you from the other side of the world in like a day or 2, and the other which takes like a month

[nova skiff]

yeah the one with the rocket ship and the other with the carrier pigeon

[floral current]

Teleportation and pony express

Unfortunately the DHL that ships to me is the pony express

Being rural sucks sometimes

[frank grove]

With what they charged for shipping, Im hoping its the good one, if thats the case, I might have it as early as this weekend

[floral current]

My pony express shipping would have cost me $50

[heavy wren]

No Shipping update on my part, has anyone else seen changes in their order status??

[gloomy lichen]

A few minutes after the pre-orders went live

[solar nebula]

I’m not rural at all. Sandwiched within 45 minutes of two metro areas. And still, pretty sure DHL ships to me by foot. I had some junk from temu take 3 weeks to get to me after it hit NYC

[dusty marsh]

I'll be damned. They are actually doing it

[sage silo]

I ordered the pkmn yellow color alone like 30 minutes into the order cycle. Wondering what colors they're going to start with. Knowing the people in the community spaces, I'm pretty sure the most popular ones are going to be retro color and the 6 button one. Probably also helps that they should share parts

[heavy wren]

Me 2 lol
Ordered a classic 6 and a kiwi, 2 separate orders incase they try to do shipping by color due to supply chain etc.😅

[gaunt cargo]

RP Classic review unit shipping today

[silver shadow]

And then our preorder units the day after, right?

[plain flax]

I'm sure with the new chip, all the colors, 2 different boards, and 2 different molds, there was a lot to get done ahead of the tariffs

It'll be interesting to see if the preorders do go out this week, like right as the review units are arriving, but then even if it's good, it may be too late to avoid tariffs so people may hold off buying

[gaunt cargo]

Ok I got tracking, Retroid sent the Pokémon yellow classic

[modest mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-22712908

Hope it looks pretty

Kinda wish they were shipping now...

[gaunt cargo]

I bet it will only be a few more days at most until customer shipping

The bundles likely first? Would be my guess

[summer marsh]

Nice, super excited to see some impressions. First one to show Beetle Saturn performance gets a banana sticker 🍌

[frank plinth]

This is a dumb question... I've bought about a dozen of these handhelds, but never one with significant internal storage like the Retroid Classic. 128 GB is more than enough storage for me. Will there be any benefit to storing something on an external card?

I mostly have Linux handhelds, too. First time setting up a proper Android device. I have G Cloud, but it's really been for streaming, no emulators/front end.

[gaunt cargo]

Ah just to have more storage or a central place for roms, bios and apk installers mainly, then you can pop it into another Android handheld and be ready to go.

[frank grove]

So the review units are just one day earlier? damn

[pseudo dove]

Hope the reviews are good for you guys

[solar nebula]

Ah crap, that’s the one I had and cancelled. Still, kinda thinking the first runs on these are gonna be a mess

[frank grove]

Possibly, but the alrenative is a second run that costs $400 or whatever after tarriffs

[solar nebula]

That was sort of where I landed though: I don’t want a beta one, and it’s not worth the cost+tariffs to me, so I’m just gonna hold off.

[bronze bolt]

Preordered this on a whim, even though I usually am very anti-preordering. Last two gaming-related things I preordered were Duke Nukem Forever and Cyberpunk so, fingers crossed!

[pseudo dove]

Can see why you avoid them now

[silver shadow]

If you go the route of installing Android games on a square screen, they can only be installed on internal storage, so having more storage space helps

[ornate sail]

Please use Beetle Saturn as a performance benchmark. They sell a 6-buttons Saturn so it matters more than with other handhelds.

[surreal fable]

I don't mind the reviews not coming out as it a new chip I would like to see for myself how well it does.I am expecting similar levels to the allwinner in the anbernics given the price and the lack of sticks but I am prepared to be surprised. The oled screen should more than compensate.

[summer marsh]

It’s more powerful than h700

[heavy wren]

The specs of the classic will shit on the brick’s allwinner chip , which shits on all the anbernics out. Just for reference Its twice as powerful as the pocket2s, which everyone will recommend you buy over any anbernic 😅

[floral current]

Don’t forget to account for price 😉

[surreal fable]

But how much more.Will n64 work well on it.

[gaunt cargo]

Good idea!

A benefit of general shipping happening alongside review units is that you'll have way more reviews to watch and read

and most likely the review units are finalized batch 1 hardware, maybe beta software

But will still be considered an engineering sample / pre-production technically

[frank grove]

Its the 16th in china, should start shipping today 👀

"Retroid, its 3 am, shouldnt you be packing orders?"

[heavy wren]

For ur future reference, Anything with more than 4gb of ram with run n64 flawlessly, with 6-8gb of ram you can even begin to mess with filters, up scaling, & rom hacks

[dense tangle]

Sadge, wanted to see the 6 buttons 😦

[gaunt cargo]

So they send each reviewer a different one so people will see each style, one of us got a notice for 6 button unit, but who? We will see 😆

[sly rampart]

Jeez, sounds like they all need a big wheel of cheese to help with their IBS. In their darkness bind them, etc. so they don't shit all over each other.

[eager rain]

the 406v is more powerful than the brick and the rp2s

(and can play ps2, gc, dc, psp, and other systems that need an analog)

I like the idea of the classic a lot but no reason to spread misinfo about other handhelds

[sly rampart]

I'm still amazed this is only 120 USD. Thought they'd try and go the Abernic mid-tier route and hit 160 to 180 USD. Especially with that OLED screen.

[eager rain]

yeah this could be a great deal if you don't want sticks (I don't) and the new chipset/android rom is good

[sly rampart]

Yeah, I don't expect this chipset to be on par with the flip 2 coming in or get within spittin' distance of my S8gen2 tablet, but will absolutely knock it out of the park for anything I want to play on a vertical handheld.

I mean would I prefer the pocket DMG? Yeah, of course. Though I'd only pay like 275 for that. If the classic is as good as I hope, the DMG would have to be like 200 USD for me to even consider it.

One way or another and tarrifs aside, I think it's a friggin' great year for handhelds - we'll start to see the high end stuff become standard in the mid grounds. OLED screens. Higher refresh rates in the 200 dollar tier purchase zones, more RAM, storage, etc. Abernic 557 is another good indicator of this.

I forgot which RH reviewer said this, but it stuck home for me: "A lot of reviewers are bitching and moaning about all of these devices being largely the same, but I think we'll look back on this as a magical time for retro enthusiasts." It's just so awesome to have all these new systems come out so many times a year in different form factors, processors, colors, etc. Like every month. Aggrevates my FOMO and hurts my wallet, but still insanely cool time for gamers.

[dense tangle]

Hoping someone gets a 4gb and 6gb so we can see the difference

[merry mango]

i was only wanting a rg35xxv+ with oled, so my bar is set really low lol

i hope itll support linux

down the line

[floral current]

Fingers crossed 🤞

[merry mango]

i want it to be as simple as those handhelds

whereas the flip2 is fine as an android

[floral current]

I hope we get a similar device with a 4:3 and sticks

Real 2S successor

[thick isle]

yea I often use my RP5 for PS2 game and the black space is wasted

[merry mango]

does ps2 have widescreen hacks?

like dreamcast, etc

[thick isle]

some of them

[plain flax]

you can certainly turn on the option in nethersx2

[thick isle]

The widescreen patches?

[dusty marsh]

Here I am eating crow and waiting for ayaneo to ship out my pocket dmg 💀

[merry mango]

which pocket dmg did you get

[dusty marsh]

Black 16gb/512gb
My final handheld before the tariff wars pick up

[merry mango]

nice

black wouldve been my choice too, if not for the retro

[dusty marsh]

Yup. Was my deal breaker. Paying for it but I got a ocd level of black handhelds on my desk 🤣

[merry mango]

can you put linux on the pocket dmg?

[summer marsh]

Me too. I’ve been tempted to order rp5 but I’m waiting on the updated mini

[merry mango]

is it just the smaller size over the rp5 that makes you choose the mini?

[dusty marsh]

I don't think so but would be awesome

[frank grove]

Im interested in that one as well

[brittle tiger]

It’s also built like a brick shithouse and is effectively a “stay at home” handheld for anyone without jenko jeans or a dedicated fanny-pack (in turn being likely one of the best vertical handhelds for serving as a “comfy stay at home” handheld).

But yeah, it is more powerful, although I think their comment was mostly them thinking of the XX handhelds and outright forgetting that Anbernic makes non-budget stuff.

[eager rain]

oh it's definitely not 'dedicated fanny pack' sized lmao

fits fine in the accessory pouch of any laptop sling I own

where you'd normally put a mouse or something

[brittle tiger]

Fair enough, I don’t think I can even remember a time I’ve ever used Fanny packs, so I’m not sure if they’re around the same size as my travel bag or if they’re smaller.

[eager rain]

basically the exposed sticks vs no sticks is gonna be the biggest difference in portability between the two

[frank grove]

Makes it seem so much bigger than I thought

[eager rain]

the 406v's cake isn't even that much thicker than the classic's gbc style dump truck

the 406v isn't as big as some people picture and the classic is a lot bigger than I think many are picturing

a lot of people are acting like the classic is barely bigger than a MM+

when in reality...

[brittle tiger]

How small/big are the sticks? Those are the main things I’m thinking of in conjunction with the booty.

[eager rain]

the sticks on the 406v are basically retroid sticks but not recessed at all so they definitely cannot stay if you want to even think about jamming it in a pocket

[floral current]

yeah the classic's 3.92 inch screen vs the 406V's 4 inch screen should be a dead giveaway theyre close in size

[eager rain]

I have considered doing a stick delete on my 406v though

[merry mango]

im just guessing its about the size of a rg40v

[floral current]

#1339773221175824415 message

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, I’m honestly still confused on how people keep making that mistake when the height of the Classic screen alone is already like 60%-75% of the Miyoo Mini’s entire height.

[gusty socket]

Do you guys think they might slightly delay the shipping of the RPC? The fact that the reviewer consoles only just shopped, and also the US SNES Flips still haven’t shipped makes me a bit concerned

[delicate ermine]

it's pretty much DMG sized, so not THAT big

[eager rain]

retro catalog doesn't have any nintendo handhelds older than NDS in it 😕

[frank grove]

Can we drill out a hole and transplant that stick onto the classic?

[eager rain]

lol no

[brittle tiger]

Nope, not without the wiring or connector for the stick.

[delicate ermine]

yeah unfortunately

[brittle tiger]

You’d basically be adding a joystick that has zero actual functionality.

[floral current]

I'd sure love that

can't win em all tho

[delicate ermine]

but Retrosizer works

tad wider

[eager rain]

yeah the 406v is a wide lad

just really not a full size category larger than the classic

people act like it's a vertical steam deck lol

which to be clear I would buy.

[wintry pecan]

use the rp5 screen

[eager rain]

nah, same screen as the steam deck oled

[rough depot]

The Steam Slab

Millions of carpal tunnel injuries

[eager rain]

shame it won't be allowed on airplanes due to having over 100whr of battery

[late rock]

I can only imagine how heavy that would be lmao

[wintry pecan]

imagine if the o2portal had a 20k in it

[merry mango]

anyone else thinking of getting this for the classic?
https://ayaneo-shop.myshopify.com/products/ayaneo-pocket-dmg-limited-edition-storage-bag

[heavy wren]

Gyatt that thang is chunky🤣

[eager rain]

https://www.sfbags.com/products/analogue-pocket-pouch?srsltid=AfmBOoow-krYo1_Wel0jYe0lepOPC6RSckIs-GQDniWMT3-fp9R9Uj7Y I saw someone suggesting this

[frank grove]

I went with the oem one

[heavy wren]

Need more sleeve options

[merry mango]

which one is that

is that the $10 that says design not final or something. i got it too

[frank grove]

https://www.goretroid.com/collections/accessories/products/retroid-pocket-classic-carrying-case

[frank grove]

Yea

Dont think Ill ever actually use it

[late rock]

It'd be cool if we got something like this

[merry mango]

for a few dollars more you can ge the ayaneo, and comes with strap if you need it

[heavy wren]

Same got a case when I first got my brick and it has never left the room, it just lives in my pocket

[merry mango]

oh different colors

oh wow this case is larger than i thought

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005008288736488.html

[frank grove]

I wish the ayaneo device itself was only a few bucks more

[late rock]

Oh yeah that's too big imo

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Realized this with DMG. Screen is gorgeous but not exactly small

[modest mantle]

Best case I ever had. Lol

[merry mango]

looks yuge

but looks really nice

[modest mantle]

Second best case I ever had 😆

[modest mantle]

It's nice because it's stiff. So for handhelds with sticks it actually protects them

[merry mango]

do you use stick guards or something?

[modest mantle]

I'm not sure how the classic would fit. Might be loose in there as it doesn't need that stick protection

[merry mango]

or does it have stick indents for the dmg

[modest mantle]

Nah. It's just actually like a hard case. So it just has room for them. The classic would def wobble around in there

I can take a pic in a sec

[merry mango]

just put two handhelds in there lol

[modest mantle]

Haha. No joke if you flipped and reversed one you might fit two

But I think the water field would be much better. Plus I like that it's magnetic and you can charge while in case

[merry mango]

youre telling me i should order the retro classic as well?........

[modest mantle]

Space in the back for hump. Space in the front for stick

So yeah. It'd wobble a little

Throw a cleaning cloth in front of it and it might be fine

[silver shadow]

I ordered this monstrosity because I was too lazy to look for a case. Man, it’s ugly

[modest mantle]

We can only pray the final looks better

[fossil echo]

dude is your case wearing off the rubber on the joystick at all ?

I like have to be super careful removing my handheld from it

[heavy wren]

A lot slimmer than I was imagining I might go for this, can u pls take more angles

[modest mantle]

Looks ok so far

[fossil echo]

unlucky me

[merry mango]

Quality looks amazing

[modest mantle]

Yeah. That sucks. Can at least comfort yourself in the fact that all these joysticks turn to crap eventually

[merry mango]

Retro confirmed

[modest mantle]

It's a super nice case. And without joysticks you won't have to worry about that

[merry mango]

Hey everybody zeelobby has moneys!

[junior fox]

Y’all got anymore of them shipping notifications?

[modest mantle]

I'm a huge vertical fanboi. So I had to go big

[merry mango]

I’ve really enjoyed the rp5 so i didn’t mind going for the vertical rp5

[modest mantle]

Yeah. I think it'll be a really solid device. Also one I won't mind just throwing in a pocket randomly. Haha. Way to scared to do that with my dmg

[fossil echo]

pocket dmg will never leave the house

[modest mantle]

I doubt we'll see anything til the review units hit. Think they said 18th

[merry mango]

The dmg stays in a glass display case

[modest mantle]

Haha it's more my waiting in car or on airplane DMG

[merry mango]

I dunno what game I would be playing with sticks on a 4” 8:7 screen

[fossil echo]

GC mario golf

[merry mango]

Unpopular opinion but I really liked the psp nub. Not as an analog stick but more as a soft dpad. It allowed me to do haomarus 10 dragon punch move in Sam Sho 2

Comfortably

[modest mantle]

Nah. My plan is to one day nub it

[modest mantle]

Already people modding it to be more nub-like

[merry mango]

Can you try that move I’m talking about lmao

[junior fox]

I copped one of them damn Pocket DMGs, but waiting for them to restock

[modest mantle]

As soon as I finish mine 😆. I've printed it but still need to polish it

That was from the original guy who did the mods. I want to do the concave buttons too at some point

[merry mango]

Samurai shodown 2 - Haohmaru

I was able to do this most of the time on the psp nub. No so much on anything else

If I had a retro handheld YT channel, that would be my signature dpad test lmao

That and a certain combo in SF3

Doing a single dp or fireball isn’t a great dpad test imo

[sage silo]

What kind of cursed input is that

[merry mango]

Old school neo geo goodness

[sage silo]

And I thought pretzel was bad

[dusty marsh]

Neo Geo, good times

[summer marsh]

Well it’s the 16th in China, wonder if the shipping dashboard will update for the classic today

https://www.goretroid.com/en-ca/pages/delivery-dashboard

As an aside this cracks me up on that page 😂

[junior fox]

Normally, I would make a crack about _____ being inferior in Russia

But yeah

America

[summer marsh]

ah I think you mean Russia's 47th Oblast

[modest mantle]

Haha. Yeah. This line is great

[pulsar plinth]

what system can it play up to comfortably?

[merry mango]

we dont know yet

[pulsar plinth]

ah cool im early

[modest mantle]

Yeah. It's a new chip. So reviewers will be the first to figure out what it's capable of

[merry mango]

spoiler alert: its basically a H700+

jk jk

[silver shadow]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/15/business/hong-kong-suspends-postal-service-to-us-intl-hnk

Starts April 27th

And most of us probably used DHL

But it’ll definitely affect things if there’s escalation

[frank grove]

"stop taking air-borne packages starting from April 27"

The wont take anything by sea starting today

Less than 2 weeks from cutoff

Where does Retroid ship from?

[late rock]

Ah I sure do love trade wars

[modest mantle]

But they're bringing factories that no one wants to work in back!

[wintry pecan]

im gonna make the boomers work the factories since they want em so bad

[summer marsh]

Hey at least you guys got cheaper eggs right? 😆

[modest mantle]

don't worry, i'm sure they're genetically modifying dire wolves as we speak to lay eggs

[modest mantle]

god, if only, that should be a requirement, min age has to be like 60

Nothing is funnier than this

literally a "i want other peoples children to work the mines" moment

[eager rain]

There have been some bangers

[eager rain]

This is missing the funniest part of the survey - the 2% who answered “I currently work in a factory”

[frank grove]

So are all of these handheld manufacturures going to go out of business once the de minimis goes away?

I dont think people are going to spend hundreds on a brick

[wintry pecan]

apparently the US is only 20-30% of the market, so no they will survive

[frank grove]

Oh wow, wouldve guessed way higher

[wintry pecan]

also the tariffs wont actually happen, just wait till next week when ALL the shippers suspend tariffs and derp derp shits his pants and revokes them

[late rock]

I mean that is still a pretty large amount

[modest mantle]

it could def hurt some, i imagine some segments of the market and some makers have bigger market shares here than others

[floral current]

Yeah 20% is a sizable chunk

[plain flax]

20% is a massive chunk for a small business

[floral current]

It’s not a business ending percentage but it will be very painful

[plain flax]

i would expect less releases, less risk, some layoffs

[heavy wren]

I’ve heard lots of the limited retro being loads better quality than the black out model

[plain flax]

especially around western jobs like after sales support for english speaking countries and marketing/community

[modest mantle]

Eh. Just in the feels of the plastic. Otherwise they're identical

I imagine there's a skew as far as markets that buy budget handhelds vs premium ones

At this point I can't say which market buys the most of either tho

[silver shadow]

Losing 20-30% of your market is massive. You’re also overlooking the fact that these companies will need to make up that loss revenue from other markets by a) raising prices across the board or b) halting development of new handhelds since they need to recoup R&D somewhere

[thick isle]

I don’t think they have big R&D or other overhead costs.

[modest mantle]

Like OneX is totally boned

Considering a lot of their stuff falls above the de minimis rule

[long geode]

someone convince me not to buy this device pls

ever since i saw the kiwi color, it brought me back to my childhood

[late rock]

I'm really hoping they find a loophole somehow, the onexsugar dream needs to stay alive

[thick isle]

And also they more likely will lower the price to sell more if they wanted to maintain the production scale.

[wintry pecan]

wait a week for reviews, its a brand new chip, we dont know how it performs in real life yet

[long geode]

oh really?

[wintry pecan]

yeah, literally no handhelds have this chip yet, and they botched their first showcase video so bad they took it down and made a new one

reviewers are getting them next week

WAIT

[modest mantle]

Or do what I did. Order now and cancel after reviews if it sucks. If not it might ship before tarrifs

[thick isle]

Last dance and yolo it

[long geode]

haven't they been shipping all orders this past week? lol

or is that just for the flip 2?

[plain flax]

just flip 2

[sinful imp]

Sick of seeing tiny face buttons on handhelds…this image here even makes it more obvious how tiny they are next to shrunken Saturn big buttons.

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Just flip 2. Supposedly classic starts the 18th I think

[surreal fable]

16th but no word yet of any shipments

[static flame]

With so many color options, it makes seeing which one retroid will ship first stressful

[dusty marsh]

If it were available in black, as it should be, you know they'd go with that one. 🤣

[teal hatch]

Yeah I was firmly in the "don't pre-order retroid devices" camp but the tariffs forced my hand. But it needs to start shipping on time....I'm not a day one pre-order and I have no intention of paying $300 for a handheld like this

[tame raft]

Yeah, if my bundle doesn’t ship soonish I’ll cancel and try to nab a rp5 or 406h in the marketplace or something

[dusty marsh]

Good luck. Hoping everyone in the states gets theirs sooner than later.

[frank grove]

Hoping they started shipping and just havent input the tracking info yet

I emailed them yesterday asking if it would ship today but havent heard back

And probably wont until late this evening at the earliest

[dusty marsh]

It's a step in the right direction, let's hope they reply back

Got my DHL tracking info for my ayaneo pocket dmg. Getting my ideal black handheld 🤘🔥

[solar nebula]

Trump is, above all else, a bully. Those types crumble when pushed back upon.

[tame raft]

I think he thought when he announced the tariffs that world leaders would come crawling to him and he would have an easy win. They haven’t and now his billionaire friends are mad about market crashes and he has to sign paperwork. Makes it less likely things actually are going to happen if he has to put any effort into things

[thick isle]

I see no difference to how he tried to negotiate a ceasefire.

Run a country like deploying MMORPG hotfix.

[gusty socket]

#1339770266544508958 message Shipping for the Classic has been delayed to tomorrow

Keep an eye out for your shipment notifications tonight I guess, we’ll find out which color goes first. I ordered Teal but I have a feeling Classic 6 will be shipped first

[dusty marsh]

There's always the flip 2 🫠

[frank grove]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wood-movie-omar-epps-gif-25850084

[eager rain]

No…? It doesn’t affect anyone who isn’t American.

Might hit retroid and ayn hard because they don’t seem to have as broad of an audience outside the USA vs anbernic, Ayaneo, powkiddy, etc

[modest mantle]

Might also kill OneX and Ayaneo. At least their higher windows devices

[frank grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1k0jlj3/retroid_pocket_mini_new_replacement_screen_photo/

[modest mantle]

And as others have said, 20-30% is still significant. But we'll see I guess

Might not even be tarrifs at the end of the month

[late rock]

holy smudges

[modest mantle]

Does the bottom one have a screen protector on it?

Kinda ruins the comparison

Haha. Yeah. Not to mention the smudges

Like sure, I guess it will look better under all that

Almost seems like a sarcastic post, where under all that it wouldn't matter anyway 😆

[solar nebula]

That looks infinitely better to me than the classic or flip tbh

[modest mantle]

Bold statement. Square screen in a candy bar has always been somewhat of an odd duckling

[candid idol]

The RGB30 we deserved.

[summer marsh]

They haven’t confirmed they are actually selling this model yet though right?

[summer marsh]

Yeah it’s still kind of a homely looking device. Though I’d buy this one, I was so close to ordering the mini on more than one occasion but the massive bezels irked me

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Understandable. I thought the cube was a solid option as well. Sticks seem overkill on it for what the resolution is best for . But at least one doesn't hurt

[frank plinth]

It definitely might affect the cost to manufacturer, which would get passed through to all markets.

[modest mantle]

At least they prioritized the dpad

[frank plinth]

We don't really know the scale of manufacturing. They might have buyers in other countries, but the cost to produce a single unit goes up if they stop producing at scale when U.S. sales decline.

[modest mantle]

Everything gonna be an ayaneo IGG 😆

[eager rain]

I don’t think anbernic has any problems hitting the order quantities for preferred pricing on components

[frank plinth]

Sure. But we just don't know.

Unless you do...

[modest mantle]

Id assume budget devices will be more softly impacted. But there is no guarantee

[frank plinth]

When production volume decreases, the cost per unit almost always increases.

That increase might be softer for some devices... i.e. OLED screens might get hit hard by that economy of scale... while LCD might not.

[thick isle]

Theoretically

[frank plinth]

Sure. It's all theoretical and contextual, but that's fairly common.

[thick isle]

But many other factors determine the price

[eager rain]

Only stuff like r+d costs - you hit the point where you aren’t getting a better deal on stuff like ICs at like 1000 units

[frank plinth]

If production volume goes down (significantly,) and price stays the same, I'll assume then that we're seeing less innovation in the space.

Same chipsets, same screens, same hall sticks, etc.

[thick isle]

I am pretty sure they don’t have much overhead costs. They are not Apple Computer.

[eager rain]

I don’t think a 20% reduction in sales in a rapidly growing market is going to tank r+d investments - we’re talking about maybe going back 6-12 months in terms of where the market is

No reason to panic imo

The retro handheld sphere will be fine

[frank plinth]

Not panic. I don't think tariffs kill the companies, but they don't continue forward without impact.

[modest mantle]

I mean they def don't want them

Nobody wants them. Heh

[frank plinth]

Something takes a hit when there's a significant reduction in sales.

[eager rain]

Alternatively a slightly leaner sales environment will make these companies have to compete harder and everyone benefits

Instead of just putting any retro handheld on TikTok at a 100% markup and printing free money

[frank plinth]

Maybe. Without knowing volume and distribution of sales across countries, hard to speculate.

[thick isle]

Their assembly line is very simple.

[frank plinth]

You mentioned 20% decrease in sales. Maybe it's more? Maybe it's less?

[eager rain]

Well aliexpress only sells 11% in the USA

I would assume retro handhelds are fairly standard fare on Ali in terms of sales to USA vs elsewhere

And then most of the domestic market isn’t using Ali

So I would say 20% would be a maximum

[frank plinth]

🤷 Yeah, I just don't know. No visibility into their chain of sales.

My only point is that it's easy to speculate and impossible to know. And common laws of scale typically means a decrease in production volume typically yields an increase in cost per unit. Because we don't have hard numbers, that cost could be less than a dollar or twenty dollars or more.

Or cost per unit stays the same because it's essentially the same unit using the same components and innovation has slowed down.

I don't think you see any of these businesses fold, but you might see some devices just never make it to the production line, slight price increases in every market, or quality drops. Or not...

[glass orbit]

US is still a significant part of the gaming market, i'm a little worried for these companies too if US keeps those tariffs up

[eager rain]

oh yeah game devs are cooked but that doesn't really affect retro stuff, those games are long finished

[glass orbit]

i don't know how you're getting 20% but it could easily be like 50% imo

[eager rain]

one nice thing about this hobby is as much as some people like to collect newer and newer recycled phones with integrated controls you can play the same stuff with a fb marketplace thinkpad and an sn 30 pro

I wasn't the one who brought in the 20% number so I have no idea where it was sourced from

the only 'real' numbers I've seen (which still could be lies) are that only 11% of aliexpress sales go to the USA

and that's the best data we have imo

[glass orbit]

you mean in general or for handhelds

[floral current]

America is not 50% of the market lol

Nowhere close lol

[frank plinth]

I think I was just triggered by how definitive your statement was -- "It doesn't affect anyone who isn't American."

I agree America is nowhere near 50%, probably not even 30%. But even if it was 10%, it'll trickle down somewhere.

[floral current]

Maybe 50% of the diabetes medication market

But that’s probably it

[eager rain]

a 10% drop in an industry that's probably doubling sales every year as these emulator handhelds take off is pretty close to negligble

[glass orbit]

of the retro handheld market? what makes you so sure? every chat has just been full of US tariffs talk these past weeks

[eager rain]

retro gaming is blowing up

[eager rain]

unfortunately the english language internet is a very 'america assumed default' place

[frank plinth]

Still hypothetical. Tariffs will hurt other business which could reduce purchasing power of retro handheld buyers globally.

Incredibly complex landscape. Decreases in sales trickle down.

[floral current]

Cuz people who aren’t from the US don’t give a rats ass about the tariffs

[frank plinth]

I'm not being doom and gloom. It may mean a difference in pennies. But it's never negligible.

[floral current]

If I were from a different country I wouldn’t talk about tariffs

[frank grove]

Havent heard anything, but if they dont release and ship it this week its kind of moot, going to cost like $500

[glass orbit]

exactly my point

only US people talk about this, and every chat is full of it

[eager rain]

you're on an american server

[floral current]

Ever heard of the vocal minority

[eager rain]

I mean here and on reddit I don't think it's a minority

but it's not anywhere near close to a representative sample of the world either

[floral current]

That’s the point I’m trying to make

[still musk]

Which nationality/country do you think is the biggest in the Retro scene outside of China?

[glass orbit]

10% is a wild figure as even for regular game consoles the US is like a third of the market

[eager rain]

regular game consoles are expensive and lock you in to buying expensive games

poorer countries meanwhile love emulation

[still musk]

Poor countries love the R36s. They aren't buying Retroid or AYN stuff.

[late rock]

On the flip side, countries that are more well off have more disposable income to purchase the more expensive handhelds

[queen glade]

I just don't see the market for Ayaneo products. They feel stuck in the middle.

Too underpowered to compete with Steam Decks

Too expensive

It feels like a glorified vanity project company

[floral current]

Would you rather pay $500 for a game system with $80 games?

Or a $150 handheld that can play pretty much any game release before the year 2000

[thick isle]

Retroid or AYN aren’t luxury brand.

[late rock]

Their pc handhelds outperform the steam deck though

[late rock]

Relatively speaking they are compared to other companies

[still musk]

to "poor" countries they are.

[glass orbit]

alright so let's look at the entire gaming industry and not just consoles...

[frank plinth]

Back to my main point from earlier... no one knows.

[thick isle]

I’d consider China is poor in general but they can afford current gen consoles or iPhone.

[frank grove]

Its not just $150, you have to buy all the games you want to play and digitize them yourself

[still musk]

If Americans stop buying retro devices expect to see more R36s, RK3566 and budget devices being developed.

[frank plinth]

...this is what happens while we all patiently wait for Stubbs to get that review unit in. 😂

[eager rain]

the impression I got is that ayaneo primarily sells domestically in china

where they are seen as a luxury brand, not overpriced shit with no headphone jack

[still musk]

Ayaneo has a bad rep in China

[late rock]

right, buy them

[floral current]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-highfive-are-you-serious-gif-5916191

[eager rain]

I mean you can just buy them all at once from those nice folks at kinhank

I don't know how they got those licensing deals

to be able to offer them so cheap

[floral current]

Rule #1 of emulation club

[lunar pecan]

yup
r36s is considered a quality handheld around here compared to other no-brand handhelds

[still musk]

This statement is so wrong. Chinese aren't as rich as Westerners but in no way are they poor. Also not everyone buys iphones, some prefer chinese phones. many also buy 2nd hand iphones.

[lunar pecan]

child labor is more rampant there tho

(not that America doesn't use child labor already)

[pseudo dove]

How come we don’t get sexy outside photos of the classic like we got for the flip ?? All we’ve had of a real unit is the dodgy videos

[thick isle]

Consider the wage level in China and think about the iPhone sales figure in China.

[lunar pecan]

can't believe this is the comment that got me to reach a level up

[still musk]

Many people borrow money to buy iphones. Many people buy 2nd hand iphones. iphones is a symbol status.

[lunar pecan]

it's half that and half that iphones are more convenient for non-tech users

[thick isle]

That was my whole point. They ain’t rich but they willing to spend a fortune on something they think is good.

[still musk]

In China its 100% symbol status.

[still musk]

Yea I get what your saying but my point is China isn't that poor. Iphone is worth like one month salary in China

There are some poor countries where it will take them a year to save up

[summer marsh]

I’m Canadian though 😛

[thick isle]

According to Chinese Gov official statistics their monthly wages was around $400 before tax.

[still musk]

That is wrong. I don't know where you got that number.

Average month salary of blue collar worker is like 7k-10k Yuan which is arond 1k USD. Skilled workers obviously pay more

[solar nebula]

I’m honestly just a weirdo. No sticks on the classic, and I don’t like the flip in general. Too much empty space on the bottom and the 16:9 or whatever top just looks bizarro land to my eyes.

[dusty marsh]

with the flip 3 i'm hoping for a lower second screen

[floral current]

Salary is only half of the equation, gotta account for CoL

I can make a million dollars in a year but if the CoL is billions then I’m not really well off aren’t I

[late rock]

MagicX will do it

[still musk]

wouldn't col make Chinese have more disposable income lol. They definitely have lower col

[floral current]

Evidence would be nice too

[floral current]

Does MagicX make handhelds or just mockup concepts

[thick isle]

That’s was from their Official Bureau of Statistics. But the figure was after tax and social security.

[floral current]

It’s nice to have proof instead of just throwing numbers around 🙃

[still musk]

I gotta look but I think those stats are bullshit. My statements were based on 1st hand experience living in China.

[thick isle]

I am so reluctant to put non English content here

[late rock]

Currently just mockups 😞

[thick isle]

It was published on Jan 2025.

[floral current]

Roflcopter

[still musk]

Google ai?

[floral current]

Bro pulled out ai results

[thick isle]

I will delete it after a while

[still musk]

Official stats are off because many chinese under report to avoid tax. Alot of cash business

[thick isle]

lol

[floral current]

Lmao

[thick isle]

Google knows better?

[still musk]

Based on my experience its around 1k USD a month for most city in china

I don't know why you guys sound so skeptical

1k isn't alot

[thick isle]

I have to delete it. Other people are not interested in this topic.

[dusty marsh]

if it's on the internet, it has to be true

[glass orbit]

income or living expenses?

[dusty marsh]

i cringe whenever i get people sending me stuff from social media regarding childcare, health, and what not from random shills spouting nonsense. Apparently science is fake news that is told what we want to hear bc the doctors/scientists won't make any money otherwise

[floral current]

Again income is only half of the equation

[still musk]

Income. They make around 7k-10k Yuan.

[floral current]

What’s the cost of living

[thick isle]

That’s the official figure. And I don’t think they have any incentive to understate the e figure.

[still musk]

https://www.chinalegalexperts.com/news/what-is-the-average-salary-in-china#:~:text=The average salary in China varies depending on the city,per month in Q2 2023.

[dusty marsh]

oh i have no idea whether it's accurate or not, just a fun jab of whenever someone pulls anything off of the internet. Applies to myself as well ❤️

[still musk]

says " However, the average salary in 38 Chinese cities was $1,430 USD per month in Q2 2023."

Don't know if you accept this

[dusty marsh]

now iam curious to know the average salary for someone in america

[floral current]

Okay but

What’s the cost of living

[still musk]

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/average-salaries-in-china-trends-and-implications-for-businesses/

This one is by industry

https://www.statista.com/statistics/278350/average-annual-salary-of-an-employee-in-china-by-region/

By region

[floral current]

No cost of living?

[still musk]

Me and Grav were discussing income only

Hes saying $400 USD, I'm saying 1k

[floral current]

Income means nothing if you don’t compare it to col

[modest mantle]

Exactly. 1K a month with free healthcare, heavily subsidized housing. Mass public transit. Etc.

[still musk]

cost of living is obviously can't be more than America

[floral current]

My income is $50K a year

And that’s comfortable for me

How many other Americans could say the same tho

[modest mantle]

When one of my 2 monthly paychecks evaporates into insurance and mortgage. Lol

[floral current]

Like I said before, I can make millions in annual income

Which without context is really good

But if cost of living is in the billions

That’s not so good after all

[modest mantle]

But then you have to live in san francisco. And your still living paycheck to paycheck. Lol

[floral current]

Right???

[thick isle]

You got a point

[floral current]

$50K a year would not work in San Fran

[still musk]

COL is cheaper in China compared to USA. Thats all we need to know lol

[floral current]

Lol

[modest mantle]

Haha. Accurate

[floral current]

“Trust me bro”

[still musk]

Comon do we need stats for COL in china...

[floral current]

Yes

We do

[still musk]

Everybody knows USA is expensive as shit

[floral current]

The USA is not china

[modest mantle]

I mean it's def lower than here

That's a given

[still musk]

USA/western countries are obviously more expensive

[floral current]

If you wanna be accurate then yeah we need Col stats

[modest mantle]

If it wasn't. Half the population would just die tomorrow with that salary

[still musk]

We just need to know "general". Not exact. COL is cheaper in China.

[floral current]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[still musk]

So you're telling me USA is cheaper to live in than China?

Why don't you prove me wrong then because you're the one refuting my claims

[modest mantle]

Gonna be hard to find a definitive answer

[floral current]

Hard to know without knowing China Col 😅

[modest mantle]

https://www.internationalcitizens.com/living-abroad/costs/china.php

There. 45% lower

[still musk]

China is not N.korea. Anybody can visit and see for themselves lol

[modest mantle]

What's it based on? Is it accurate? Who knows. But it's a point of reference compared to none in the other direction

Rent is 60% lower. which isn't shocking. Considering housing is gov subsidized

[floral current]

You’d be a fool to take what a censor happy government says at face value

[modest mantle]

Free healthcare. Free public transit

[modest mantle]

Lol. "Give me proof!" "It's lies"

Ok bro

[floral current]

I’m not saying it’s lies

[still musk]

Those are very easy to verify facts dude

[modest mantle]

You seem to be implying my friend

[thick isle]

But Chinese can afford Retroid Pocket right?

[still musk]

Definitely.

[modest mantle]

Of course. Cause they aren't broke slave workers like a lot of the west assumes they still are

[still musk]

Factory workers make decent money compared to many jobs in China. It just super soul sucking and degrading.

[modest mantle]

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

What they've done is impressive

[modest mantle]

Cand wait to go to my US factory 😆

[thick isle]

Remember to bring a MAGA hat

[glass orbit]

as a european i'm always shocked by US grocery prices

[modest mantle]

Yeah. We do some wild shit. We subsidize farmers. But instead of attaching strings to it that require them to keep their prices low, we just kinda let them go wild

Capitalism baby

[dusty marsh]

but i need muh white sugar/cake bread

[lunar pecan]

is corn bread still popular by any chance

[glass orbit]

german discount grocery stores even successfully expanded to US (aldi and lidl)

[modest mantle]

Corn bread and chili

[modest mantle]

Haha. Yeah. I have family who shops exclusively at aldi

[lunar pecan]

hopefully one day when they stop treating visitors (particularly non-white folks) like criminals I'd like to try it out

[glass orbit]

meanwhile walmart tried to expand to germany and it was a failure

[floral current]

Discount is a bold word lol

I’ve got at least a dozen groceries locally that are far cheaper than aldis

Maybe it’s just a product of being rural but

[glass orbit]

well in germany they are discount stores but that's interesting

[floral current]

That’s fair

I certainly wouldn’t call the local Aldis here discount tho

[late rock]

They're still generally cheaper than most big grocery stores

[floral current]

It’s more so the place white girls go to get their groceries 💅

Like Starbucks

Or target

[glass orbit]

tbh all the other grocery stores here in germany mostly have the exact same prices as aldi and lidl as long as you buy the store brands

[floral current]

Yeah

Store brand stuff is almost always cheaper

[solemn sentinel]

I find Aldi/Lidl store brands to be better quality than something like Tesco's

[floral current]

If you want a good grocer you wanna look for the small chain ones

[solemn sentinel]

They don't really exist here lol

[floral current]

We got two around here and they’re great

[solemn sentinel]

At least nowhere close

[floral current]

If it’s produce the local Mexican and Vietnamese stores are dirt cheap

[late rock]

Yeah all I got near my area is a meijer, Walmart, and aldi

[floral current]

Walmart tried in my small town but they have a terrible reputation

[solemn sentinel]

As they should tbh

At least from what I've heard

[floral current]

Yeah Walmart is a terrible place to work and shop

Terrible company all together

[late rock]

Walmart really fell off

[solemn sentinel]

If I ever go to the States, I'd like to visit a Walmart at least once

I've heard you can buy almost anything there

[floral current]

Nah

Their selection is shit

[solemn sentinel]

Well I mean types of things

Not actual quality

[floral current]

Yeah I mean selection too

The only reason I go there is for toiletries and sd cards

They only sell the shit that’s popular

There’s nothing new or “exotic” there

[solemn sentinel]

Even in the super big stores?

[floral current]

No idea

Don’t care for Walmart enough to seek one out

My local hyvee has tons of cool and fun shit

Not to mention selling locally made products

Which is a practice I’ll support any day

[eager rain]

walmart probably has the worst bakery section of any grocery store I have ever visited

it often has some produce and import foods that I can't find at my other grocery options though

[delicate ermine]

US only sells cake anyway

[floral current]

Hyvee bakery is great

If you want good shit tho you gotta go to La Mexicana

[delicate ermine]

Given the sugar content of US "bread" it would be classified as cake in Europe tho

[late rock]

Idk about yours but my walmart's cookie cakes are fire

[floral current]

US bread has sugar in it?

Makes me think of kings Hawaiian

[frank plinth]

Commercial bread in the US... Oh yes

[floral current]

Id smash some kings Hawaiian rn

[late rock]

Depends on the brand tbh, there's a lot of options

[summer marsh]

Bread in Asia is even more sugary than yankee bread.

[modest mantle]

Its why we're in a trade war

Our bread must be the sweetest

[frank plinth]

Definitely. There are lots of options, typically.

[modest mantle]

But yeah. Aldi is cheaper here than most chains.

Excluding random mom and pop grocery stores of which like 4 still exist

Walmart has replaced most

[floral current]

Walmart is a blight

[glass orbit]

carbohydrates still convert to glucose in the body anyway so does it really matter 😛

[late rock]

Honestly so long as you're not eating bread by the loaf the sugar content shouldn't matter that much, 2 slices would be around 4g of sugar

[floral current]

All food is just atoms so at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter

[eager rain]

I'm a pie guy and the pies at walmart are like you took a mcdonalds pie and left it on the counter for 48 hours

nowhere near the quality of the ones at superstore

[summer marsh]

So is crack cocaine

[tame raft]

And uranium, which has a super high caloric count

[rough depot]

Infinite food hack, but now you’re radioactive

[floral current]

Cool cool

But what’s the downside

[rough depot]

https://tenor.com/view/radiate-positivity-fallout-radiation-gif-11056273986022428252

Haven’t found it yet

[tame raft]

You will never have to eat again as long as you live

[bronze bolt]

checks in to see if anyone’s gotten a shipment notification yet
finds out what the cost of living is in China and the amount of sugar in bread

[dusty marsh]

Those cheap sugar cookies are the best. The ones that come with sprinkles on a pack of 12

[rough depot]

Starving for news, so we talk about food

[floral current]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[summer marsh]

Any reviewers have theirs soon?

[delicate ermine]

Kinda, given how direct sugar intake spikes your blood sugar levels, while breaking down stuff (darker bread or even white one not full of sugar) takes some energy and generally will keep you filled for longer.

Also sweetened bread tastes like ass.

[dusty marsh]

asking the real questions.... for real, even a early impressions video

[glass orbit]

also fructose (which is in most added sugars) is potentially worse for you than glucose

[plain flax]

speaking of bread in asia, if you have an 85c bakery near you, omg so good. check it out if you havent

its a taiwanese bakery chain

[summer marsh]

Haha that’s one of the places I had in mind. I stayed in Taiwan for 5 months a long time ago…love that place.

Though it was difficult to find bread that wasn’t super sweet

[plain flax]

everyone has their own levels of what they consider sweet, but i have tried like almost everything there and from what i select, its on the less sweet side of what they offer. in general i dont like sweet, and I'm ok with their low sweet options

plus they have savory breads

[dusty marsh]

best kinda of cake is ice cream cake though.... no counters allowed

[solar nebula]

We subsidize them to make corn—you know, the food we can’t actually digest—and then we slap corn in everything and wonder why we’re all constantly getting fat and shitting our brains out.

[modest mantle]

Merica!

[covert star]

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-hoarding-pulp-fiction-why-there-nothing-in-here-gif-16607898

Is this the RPC thread?

[floral current]

No this is socioeconomic state of china thread

Smh

My head

[glass orbit]

is he looking for bread?

[solar nebula]

No he’s looking for hall sticks to put in his switch 2

[summer marsh]

OLED panel too

[plain flax]

also milk. we even pay for the got milk commercials: https://youtu.be/gtxNdoIg4g0?si=cYIcazZKpD1xuxta&t=793

[frank plinth]

What other off topics can we explore here while we wait for review units to arrive?

How deep have any of you gone down the UAP rabbit hole?

Any hot takes on vaccines?

Jk jk, please don't answer either of those questions.

I actually got so antsy waiting for the Classic to ship, I ordered a TrimUI Brick.

[sinful forge]

RP Classic Mini

[floral current]

Excellent choice

[frank grove]

Yea brick is great

[plain flax]

ill be selling off some devices soon and one of the ones ill be keeping for sure is the brick. its a really good device.

[thick isle]

Brick is my favourite edc device

[floral current]

Yeah brick is amazing

First handheld id actually say I love

[silver shadow]

The Brick is what made me want to get a Pocket Classic. I play it and just think that it’d be great to have a larger screen with similar high resolution

[floral current]

Yeah PPI is really close between the two

It’s gonna be good

~419 vs 400

[frank plinth]

Yeah, I'm stoked. I don't anticipate the Classic being pocketable and that's not why I ordered one.

Might actually finally set up Syncthing when I have both the Brick and Classic in hand.

Never felt the urge.

[crystal walrus]

hmm, brick running what os?

I’m still waiting on an OS for my brick that I can use syncthing with

[frank plinth]

I found a Github repo of tools yesterday that had Syncthing for Crossmix.

But I love MinUI, so want to try Next/PakUI, too! 🤷

[tame raft]

I can speak at length about the development of French warship construction during the early industrial age

[frank plinth]

Hm... tell me more.

[tame raft]

Following the Franco-Prussian war and collapse of the second empire French naval policy shifted from direct competition with the British royal navy in capital ship numbers to a more nuanced approach which is known as the Juene Ecole (young school) under this doctrine, which suggests that an enemy battle line could be countered with many small torpedo boats and large cruisers to both defend your coastline (the torpedo boats) and devastate the commerce of your enemy (the cruisers)

As a result the French navy had a long pause in major capital ship construction, building a handful of ships relative to other powers. It was only in the 1890s that this shifted with France beginning construction of a series of battleships which ranged from the bizarre to the eccentric (if you like steampunk look up French predreadnoughts) and largely obsolete compared to foreign designs.
This would begin to change in the 1900s though as France introduced a series of highly capable innovative designs in large coherent classes the balance was redressed somewhat.
However the French lost the plot somewhat afterwards, with the navy sticking with the predresdnought concept after the introduction of the all big gun HMS dreadnought in the royal navy. France’s first dresdnoughts would have much shorter ranged guns than the ships in other navies due to a belief that battle ranges would be quite short.
Again realizing they are falling behind the French began a series of very odd ships leading into the First World War featuring quadruple turrets and coal as armor. The war caused a total stop in French warship construction and the nation would slowly build up a modern fleet once again during the interwar years. A fleet which would serve France poorly in the opening phases of the Second World War as the Germans generally kept on land.

Massive summation of a very complicated and at times comical part of history

[covert star]

How bought that kindlefetch script that lets you find any book without Amazon's ecosystem! Pretty sweet!

[frank plinth]

🤔 I was thinking about getting an Onyx Boox Palma last year and moving from physical books to eBooks. I didn't pull the trigger, though.

[ashen vault]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-sit-there-and-think-gif-12957145

[tame raft]

Armored cruiser Dupuy de Lome, just a steampunk fever dream

[plain flax]

i personally run knulli, but mostly cause the folder structure works well with how i sync saves across multiple devices running emulation station/batocera based file structures and naming conventions. also the working sleep function, but i think thats been added to pakui or nextui.

[tame raft]

They also had CURVES

[dense tangle]

@gaunt cargo

[solar nebula]

That’s the only reason I haven’t gotten a brick. 3.5” is pushing it for me, so 3.2 is just probably not gonna cut it. I still want one though. Dammit.

[heavy wren]

I love my brick, but I yearn for active cooling, a slightly larger screen, & more power!!! The Classic seems to fit all my needs for its use case

[sly rampart]

I'm simpatico with you on this one.

I adore the brick - kind of wish it was a dud, as I don't think I'd be hooked on the retro scene as much as I am - I have a cube XX and like it, but I don't use or fawn over it like the brick.

But I want something bigger when I'm not out and about and I'm an absolute sucker for anything OLED.

[gaunt cargo]

Oh AWESOME!

Just the 4GB versions are limited then? Or did they remove limitation entirely now

[ashen vault]

It’ll probably be similar how the 2S 3GB version went out of stock way earlier than the 4GB did

[dense tangle]

Chris said he would ask if anything is limited then posted that. I’m still not 💯 on the 4gb but kind of sounds they are staying?

[dense tangle]

This was before he asked his team

[sly rampart]

Is there anyone here who got a 4GB version? ...and why not spend the extra 10 USD for more storage and RAM? Or is it more of a delta between versions in other countries?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for offering more selection at different price points, and I'm appreciative of the small margins we have, especially at the twilight of all this stupid tarrif bullshit... But a 129 to 119 difference in price for 50% more RAM and double the internal storage? I'm honestly curious as to the situations where you give those additions up when you're already 119 dollars into the whole thing.

[covert star]

In case anyone is interested, I made this list of GB/GBC Homebrew/Aftermarket games.

Prepare yourselves for your RPC!

NO DOWNLOAD LINKS!

Just a list of game names

These should all be new GB/GBC games NOT romhacks, though I have those as well, but not making a list, as there are thousands in my collection. My brain would explode typing it all. LOL (forgive any errors, or romhacks that may have slipped into the list. I am tired.)

https://pastebin.com/ihW6TKHv

[summer marsh]

It's almost 9am in China. First person to receive their shipping notification gets a Bluey sticker

[frank plinth]

I get decision paralysis with a list of 20 games. Here you are dropping 200+. Lol

[gaunt cargo]

Cool! I'm glad they decided against the limited thing

I also wonder what happened to D1100 Flip 2?

[dense tangle]

Canadian dollar has tanked so $10 + $15 shipping, any extras like a case and screen protector, it’s over $220 CAD.

[modest mantle]

Oh man. They were gonna make them limited runs

Oof

Glad they didn't. Would have been another PR thing

[floral current]

Moose dollars

[modest mantle]

Makes sense to eventually drop the lower models at some point tho

Maybe not for the flip

[heavy wren]

Any shipping updates from reviewers??

[sly rampart]

Previews can't come fast enough. All this political shit and the onslaught of bad news upon bad news has me thirsting hard for some escapism that only a new gadget can provide; this thing can suck and I still need it bad just to have something to look forward to right now.

[plain flax]

Sadly the escapism is being affected hard by the outside world

[summer marsh]

Yep that’s almost what I paid. Oh well still felt like a good purchase 😁

[sly rampart]

Yep. Damn near impenetrable. I've been doing everything to avoid the news and goings on for some mental health/reprieve and it's just impossible. But I actually really dig all the retro reviews and the live streams on new gadgets and get triply excited if I put down the cash on said gadgets.

Since this will be the last such purchase for possibly a long time given the insanity over here, I'm trying to savor obsessing over this before going back to the non-stop slugfest of horrible news and terrible things happening-all-the-time-you-can't-avoid.

[frank grove]

https://tenor.com/view/vincent-gif-4983399

Checking my email

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1k10p4m/i_deeply_regret_selling_my_retroid_pocket_mini/

[modest mantle]

Keep saying cube is op

Still think the flip makes more sense in the long run for my EDC tho

[frank grove]

Yea, guess it really depends for the individual, do you use front pocket, back pocket, backpack etc

[rough depot]

Mini with the full screen replacement done seems like it would be the best of a lot of worlds tbh

[frank grove]

Its a nice option for sure, tough to decide between the mini, classic, and flip

[rough depot]

horizontal, vertical and clamshell. The eternal debate

probably completely down to preference tbh

[summer marsh]

Mini with screen replacement will be god tier retro handheld

[rough depot]

small, good battery, great screen, plenty of power

I only wish it was low profile like the 405m, more pocketable

but it's not bad as is, so I can't really even complain

[summer marsh]

Yeah worth it for those nice sticks they use but it would be nice for sure

[frank grove]

"expected"

And its thursday in china, so if not today, tomorrow

[summer marsh]

Well you’re not first but you still get a Bluey sticker

[frank grove]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sweet-hell-yes-pump-it-gif-2609956353695275627

[plain flax]

i have the regular rg cube and this device will make that obsolete. the cube is really comfy and the reg version is pretty powerful, enough to handle a lot of stuff that h700 devices like the cubexx cant such as modern cave arcade games. however, theres no real reason to play it when i can just play on an odin 2 at home, or the classic outside the house. the cube design is just not pocketable between the sticks and the grip

[modest mantle]

I just use a pocket period. So anything without pokey sticks is a plus

[modest mantle]

Yeah. I just got a face plate that slides on. Works pretty well for the pocket. Meant more the shorter and squatter form makes great ergos

[sage silo]

I spent an entire minute trying to figure out what a "pocket period" was

[nova anvil]

Retriod just emailed me and told me that they are shipping my replacement pocket mini screen with my classic 6.

[silver shadow]

Loyalty pays off!

[surreal fable]

Got tracking for classic 6 button to uk 4px.

[thick isle]

Great. Ordered on the first day?

[pseudo dove]

Hope some reviewers get theirs soon

[scenic lodge]

when embargo end, they will

[pseudo dove]

When’s that

[scenic lodge]

probably the date of start pre-sale

it the same in any chinese martetplace

[surreal fable]

Yes

[thick isle]

I ordered around two weeks later. I can only wish that they move fast.

[vale bear]

Sounds like the classic 6 is getting shipped first. What was your order no.?

(First 4 digits)

[surreal fable]

Sorry not supplying that but got order confirmation 2 mins after it went live

[vale bear]

Fair play, when did it go live? I thought it was still radio silence

[surreal fable]

Pre sales

[thick isle]

around a month ago

[vale bear]

Ah weird, I ordered the retro the minute it went to pre order but I've had nothing from 4px

[sly rampart]

I ordered late but got the flip 2 combo so fingers crossed I get a bit up in the queue

[tame raft]

When did you order?

[delicate ermine]

I bet they are sending out the American stuff first

I ordered early and still nothing

[sly rampart]

April 11th - when the tarriff thing ramped up.

[vale bear]

Well I'm 4px to the uk too so I was hoping I'd be the same but I guess not

[sly rampart]

That’s my hope. One last ‘Americans get the best tech deals’ before we piss that legacy completely away. These tarrifs won’t last forever, but the deals we yanks got are probably gone for good now.

[tame raft]

I ordered a bundle on the 7th and haven’t heard anything yet either

[sly rampart]

I fat fingered my email address and support never managed to correct it, so I’m somewhat in the dark on shipment but I think the order tracker will sort me

[tame raft]

My order defaulted to 4px though I swear I selected the faster option at least twice

I figure I’m giving my order a few more days and if it hasn’t shipped I’ll cancel and try to nab a flip and classic on the marketplace

[thick isle]

Maybe you can check your order status in their official site.

[sage silo]

I ordered pkmn yellow in the first 30 minutes of sales. DHL. No updates yet

The 6 button one seems like it may be going out first

[gusty socket]

The only person in this server who has gotten a shipping notification is from the UK

[sly rampart]

Yeah I don't know about that order form, I suspect something is bust. My e-mail was misspelled and I corrected it multiple times and when I hit the confirm button I got nothin'... So it never got the proper e-mail to send me updates.

[sly rampart]

That's what I'm doing, support sent a screenshot of my order and I found the order number on there - the site seems to track it. As of this morning it's still 'processing'

[sly rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/british-soldier-redcoat-officer-oh-gif-18650366

[tame raft]

I got the email but nothing else since then. It could be that the system is struggling with presumably a ton of Americans placing orders hoping to avoid tariffs

[sly rampart]

They seem to be really good at letting people know where stuff is. I think it's cool that they are updating a delivery dashboard.

You can get more details of your order here, though I don't know how accurate it is in the actual order process, it probably just moves from 'pre-order' to 'shipped'

https://www.goretroid.com/apps/aftership

[tame raft]

That thing has never worked for me either

Retroid gave me two orders numbers and PayPal gave me an order number and none of them work

[sly rampart]

If the order number is something like HQ-M6696239 you need to remove the HQ- and just put the last part of the number in.

For me I had to figure out what the misspelled e-mail was. It put in @gail.com instead of @gmail.com

[vale bear]

There's a few in the retroid discord saying the classic 6 has started shipping

us & uk

[thick isle]

at least its unlikely your order details like your address will be send to [email protected]

[tame raft]

This is true

[sly rampart]

Fair point! Just appreciative that they're trying to get all of this done in record time because of all of this stupidity. As I said last night, I don't care if this device is shit. Just give me something to enjoy and obsess over for a few days in this consistant barrage of really-bad/horrid-news

I originally went with the PKM Yellow as I liked the look of it. But then I realized it was Pokemon themed so got it changed to Teal.

I don't mind Pokemon, but I never got into it. Had a Pokemon 3DS and consistantly had people come up and tell me pokemon stuff that I didn't understand.

[thick isle]

They all look good. Its really hard to pick one this time.

[tame raft]

That worked thanks, says my order is preparing for processing so I guess I am still a ways out from shipping. Anybody know how long it takes 4pl to go from "it is on a boat heading to the states" to actually being in the states? Trying to get a rough idea of when I should cancel the order if it hasnt shipped by.

[sage silo]

In my experience, about 5 businesses days

[sly rampart]

I say this knowing everything changes every hour, but I think they'll be fine if they get this on a boat/plane by May 2nd. While there is some debate on if you have to receive it by May 2nd or have it shipped by May 2nd I think it is the latter. What I am sure about is that this tariff stuff is going to be fuckin' chaos - absolute chaos - on the entities and companies enforcing it in the US.
Money changing hands like this, who charges it, how payments are processed, who handles errors of payment, remediates conflicts and returns, etc. all need to be sorted out and it won't be done by May 2nd.

That isn't to say we won't have tarriffs May 2nd, we probably will be, but I think it unlikely that they'll be pipin' hot about splitting hairs on a law byline that is in such heavy debate - they'll probably let anything shipped from China through tarriff free and start calculating tarrifs at the shipping origins rather than destinations.

[sage silo]

Just got a shipping notification.
US, pkmn yellow color, order number in 2232 range, DHL

[sly rampart]

Nice! Did you just order the classic or the combo? What region of the states?

[sage silo]

Only the classic. I don't think region matters

[sly rampart]

Sorry, better question should have been 'when did you order?'

[tame raft]

Give myself a bit of wiggle room and I’ll say if it hasn’t shipped by like the 24th I’ll cancel thank you very much

[sage silo]

Within the first half hour of pre orders on March 17

[tame raft]

Honestly that’s the main reason I think the tariffs will be cancelled, the tangerine in chief would have to do actual work to make it happen, which he doesn’t want to do and no one else in his admin seems capable of doing

[sly rampart]

I hope you're right, but the man leans into his bad decisions like a religion. Irreparable damage has already been done IMO.

[sage silo]

I guess as long as the holiday and everything else doesn't mess anything up, I'd imagine mine getting here around Monday or Tuesday.

[sly rampart]

Awesome. Thanks for the info! Can't wait to hear what you think about it. As I said before the PKM yellow looks the best IMO but I didn't want people thinking I'm a pokemon stan when I don't know it that well.

[sage silo]

They don't have an estimate. I'm just going based on previous orders

[sage silo]

I'm not really much into Pokémon. It's just the color I had growing up

[tame raft]

It’s what happens when a man who clearly failed at everything he has ever done was rich enough to avoid consequences, and surrounded himself with yes men who nod along and blame other people for his incompetence. At this point not sure what’s going on in his head aside from anger, ego and thoughts of McDonald’s

[floral current]

Ah

Just another day in a retroid chat

[sly rampart]

I had a pokemon 3DS, it was a weird time because gaming wasn't totally 100% accepted during that time but Pokemon was so big you'd get avid Pokemon players who played no other video games.

A few times I was playing on a subway when I lived in a city I had a Pokemon fan come up and start a convo and it just was awkward, me trying to connect on being into video games but not being able to translate any of the details stuff they were talking about. Felt like a pokemon poser.

[sage silo]

I guess I'm relatively comfortable discussing games I don't know much about. I used to run a gaming organization so I was in that situation a ton

[marsh plover]

RG40xxv mogs the Retroid classic
Why do no YouTube reviewers have this console yet

[sage silo]

Also the being judged thing is meh. Honestly not a big idea when it comes to game. Much worse things to be judged over. I used to just set up consoles publicly, particularly at colleges with multiple controllers inviting people to join. Cool way to meet new people

[sage silo]

Because they only started shipping to reviewers like Tuesday

Likely putting the finishing touches on the OS

[modest mantle]

2238 here. Guess I got about 6 thousand to go til mine XD

[sly rampart]

Oh I wasn't judged or anything, it's a me thing; got pretty major/acute social anxiety so I cut out anything that doesn't let me engage on my own terms.

[sage silo]

Fair enough. I feel you there. Though I guess for me it's less about media and more about presentation but I get the feeling

In fact public gaming setups were helpful for me as an easier way to chat with strangers since there was a "mutual thing" going on where you can just be silent sometimes

It's something I've been recommending to people going to college if they're having trouble meeting people

The power of a wii, smash Bros, and a handful of controllers sitting out is amazing

[sly rampart]

I'd imagine. I was always jealous of that to be honest - lived in very rural areas and in a time where being into video games was something you did not want other people to know. When stuff like MTG came around I had no one I knew that played it, only cities and stuff had meetups, but I was always absolutely stunned when people openly admitted and bonded over video games

[tame raft]

To be fair I post about the French navy yesterday, we have a decent variety of off topics if nothing else

[floral current]

We have an off topic channel if you weren’t aware

[modest mantle]

Yeah. That's where handhelds are actually discussed

[bronze bolt]

Um actually the amount of sugar added to the average loaf of bread has a direct correlation to the performance of Beetle on the Retroid Classic

[modest mantle]

This man gets science

[candid idol]

TIL

[sly rampart]

Do we consider sourdough to be 'average'? I see the Classic as a sourdough variant. Sourdough bread is the deepest of blacks and brightest of color OLED screens in the bread world.

"Sourdough, the OLED of breads"

YOU CAN'T PUT ME IN OFFTOPIC SOURDOUGH HAS SUGAR AND SUGAR = BETTLE PERFORMANCE ON THE RP CLASSIC

[sage silo]

And screenshot for people who have trouble with forwarding

[dusty marsh]

damn, that is heart breaking but the reality we're facing

[sly rampart]

Damnet my teal!

[modest mantle]

Yo. That's pretty wild

I mean good on them for insuring they get some through

But crazy to just have half the line not make it

[meager jasper]

I am so sad I do not want another color I want Kiwi..... I had a kiwi gbc. I am probably going to cancel now...

[sly rampart]

Yeah, it sucks. I was head strong on the teal.

[sly rampart]

So thanks for posting this, since Retroid doesn't have my proper e-mail I wouldn't have gotten this notification and my shipment wouldn't have gone through given the colorway.

[tame raft]

Same here, teal looked awesome. Probably going to cancel my bundle now

[modest mantle]

I mean. Would they not notify you through their webstore email?

[gusty socket]

Man, I really don't know what color to switch to. I think Teal, Berry, and Kiwi are the only acceptable colors

Presumably those are the colors that sold the least, which is why they are being shipped last. Why does everybody have bad taste except for me

[sly rampart]

The webstore e-mail wouldn't change from a default '@gail.com' e-mail apparently, and they forgot to reset it to gmail.com. I was manually going into the order update page and saying my e-mail was '[email protected]' to see the status of my order.

[meager jasper]

Just cancelled my kiwi. I don't know how it will work with the bundle but I will let everyone know.

[sly rampart]

A.k.a. I got no e-mail confirmation from retroid given the wrong e-mail address and had to talk to support for updates.

[magic rover]

That's terrible. All the best colors.

[sly rampart]

I wonder how many people will cancel if their colorway isn't available. It sucks, but I'll take another colorway if I can get the device.

[meager jasper]

@oak blade is going to be so sad he was also hyped for the kiwi

[thick isle]

Can’t they just send the shell later and let the user assemble it.

[modest mantle]

Oh yeah. That's right. You could probably email support with the actual full email and see if they update it

[tame raft]

You just email retroid sales and ask for a cancellation right?

[cold shell]

How can they send later when no shipping service is accepting orders heading to the US?

[thick isle]

Like never?

[cold shell]

Until something changes, seems like it

[sly rampart]

It's a clusterfuuuuuuuuuuu

[modest mantle]

Just reply to your order email

[cold shell]

trade warrrssss

[thick isle]

I am still pretty clueless about the new policy. If tariffs are charged based on parcel value then I think the tariff on plastic shell should be cheap? And if the tariff things are sorted then someone will be willing to ship them?

[modest mantle]

That's the problem. For under $800 it's 30% or a flat fee

Might be higher now

[sly rampart]

In theory, even if it did ship, that shell could be subject to tarrifs, a.k.a. a 75 USD plus surcharge. Then you have to deal with some people bricking their Classic with the shell swap

[thick isle]

So find a distributor in the US and send it in one lot?

[modest mantle]

Over $800 and it's like 145% now

Under $800 is like the better exception

And then shipper picks whether it's percentage or flat fee for all their items for a month. Which is just fucking wild. Lol

Like it makes sense to me that they'll simply just stop shipping

[tame raft]

Well, asked for my order to be cancelled and now I guess I am looking for alternatives.

[thick isle]

I think if the trade war thing are sorted later Retroid can offer to sell shell in different color at a discount.

Then everyone’s happy

Unless they are like the mini which the front side is stick to the screen hmmmmm

[sly rampart]

Alternatives as in 'alternative to a vert handheld' or 'alternative colorway'

[tame raft]

Alternatives as in small android handheld for edc

[gusty socket]

I really cannot decide on a new color. I think they are all worse

[cold shell]

Find friends living in neighbouring non-tariffed countries and get them to ship it from there.

[sly rampart]

The retro is fine. Not special like the other colors but fine. I may go back to PKM yellow and just deal with the pokemon association with it

[cold shell]

Japan and South Korea seem to be the least affected

[thick isle]

Or this

I am just brainstorming

[sly rampart]

"Japan and South Korea seem to be the least affected" [at this exact moment in time. That will probably change in the next week. Or day. Hour?]

[gusty socket]

I love Pokemon but for some reason feel no attachment to that colorway

[sly rampart]

I don't like associating with a franchise I don't know anything about (not that I have anything against pokemon, wish I was into it, but I'm not).

But I want the console more than the colorway so....

[modest mantle]

I dunno. I love yellow verticals

[gusty socket]

I just don't like how it is two different colors. It is so gaudy

[modest mantle]

Even when not pokemon associated. I think my miyoo mini yellow is my fav looking handheld so far

Yeah. True

[sly rampart]

I love that shade of miyoo mini flip yellow. It's so dull... and beautiful.

[modest mantle]

I had a pokemon GBC. So it was an auto buy for me

[frank grove]

https://youtu.be/SOffYqImJ3o?si=aN3wvDyOYmHAi5tl

[modest mantle]

I actually had plans to dye a miyoo. And then when they dropped it I was like phew. Lol

[frank grove]

They’re still working

1st minute of preorder for the retro, and nada so far

[sly rampart]

I had a pokemon 3ds but it always felt awkward when a pokemon fan came up to me when playing it and tried talking about pokemon stuff I didn't understand.

[modest mantle]

I think the yellow front with a retro back swap would be pretty fire

[sly rampart]

Why did they not lead with that? My main gripe on the mini was ALWAYS 'I wish the screen took up more space'. Like I get the 4:3 ratio want, but not enough to murder a perfectly good screen and an aesthetic that looks a billion times better without pointless bezels covering them up.

I would have totally bought a mini if it came out of the gate like that.

So are new minis shipping with that screen? Or just the people with the original mini's that complained?

[frank grove]

Yea I may have too

[frank grove]

I don’t think they have minis for sale currently, just shipping the replacement covers

[frank plinth]

Advance Wars: Shipping Strike

[sly rampart]

Well I hope they redo it maybe with a G2 processor in it. In that form it would be my next big want, after this tarriff thing blows over.

[brittle tiger]

I dunno about that, Retro, Pokemon, and Atomic Purple are all great. Plus Saturn has some nice utility.

[dense tangle]

That looks so much better, dunno why they hid a portion of the screen

[frank grove]

I wonder if adding the screen protector and case added to the packing time

[frank grove]

They gave the people what they wanted; to not see black bars

[sly rampart]

I'm more interested in the internal dialogue they had on that design. Like who was the person or entity that was like 'we need to take this screen and cover it up with bezels'. If someone championed that, they've probably done a bit of sweating as of late.

[sly rampart]

It's just so weird! It's an OLED screen! Playing 4:3 content on that screen with OLED is going to look exactly the same as having black bezels over it! I know some colorways aren't black, but that should have taken a back seat to covering up part of the most important bit of the handheld you are selling.

[brittle tiger]

I can already tell you there’s a not-small number of buyers who are still somehow championing that Retroid did the right move. Which is absurdly stupid.

[frank grove]

Design by committee no doubt

[brittle tiger]

Like, not even saying “it makes sense why they did it, and it looks fine anyways”.

Literally just “they were right to do so, the screen should be covered because that aspect ratio is bad”.

Like, it’s literally just people somehow spitefully hating a non-4:3 screen enough to say that pretending it’s 4:3 is better.

[pulsar plinth]

i wanna order it right meow but i also wanna see a review before i do lol 😦

[silver shadow]

Damn, in addition to being bad news for those who ordered these colors, it also means that it pushes the rest of us down the queue who had orders for the colorways that they are shipping out

[cold shell]

As someone who owns the Mini, people buying it was less to do about the screen size/aspect ratio and more about the resolution. The supposed 1280x960 resolution was a game changer for integer scaling. But of course, we eventually found out that it was a lie.

4:3 with perfect 4x integer scale for 240p consoles, while also having great integer scaling for GBA with very little screen loss. It was suppose to be great.

[sinful forge]

yeah, it's the interpolation that's a huge part of the problem, plus why not give people the choice on what aspect ratio to run and make the full screen available? doesn't make sense

[cold shell]

Who knows

[dusty marsh]

so did they not want money by covering the screen up initially? Dumb af

[cold shell]

NGL if they marketed the Mini with the whole screen vs the 1280x960, I wouldn’t have bought the Mini at all

That screen doesn’t integer scale as nicely as a theoretical 1280x960

[sly rampart]

Fair point / that makes sense. But I think they probably would have sold more minis in general if they did the full screen. While your reasons are sound, I think more people prefer the full screen. I mean hell, we're all here in this sub for that screen on the classic.

[cold shell]

Maybe. We’ll never know

[nova skiff]

I mentioned this in the rp mini chat but if you're fine with a little bit of overscan, the screen integer scales with a lot of 4:3 systems quite nicely

[dusty marsh]

wouldn't the black screen just blend into the handheld if you had bars from playing 4:3 content?

[cold shell]

Yeah I saw. I’m keeping the original Mini screen on mine

No grey option. Only black

[cold shell]

Yes but you would lose a lot if you integer scale

[cold shell]

Pretty much the only major consoles that would look fairly sized integer scaled on a 1240x1080 screen is NES, SNES, GBA, GB/GBC

[nova skiff]

now show what it looks like with overscan enabled

[cold shell]

I ain't touching overscan

[gusty socket]

overscan is based

[cold shell]

But yeah. If I bought the classic, I would literally use it only for SNES, GBA, and GBC

[nova skiff]

rip those 10 horizontal pixels

[sly rampart]

I personally don't care about integer scaling at these resolutions/dpi. Less than 300 or 350 dpi I do notice, but not at 400+

[nova skiff]

very fair point

[sly rampart]

And an oled screen will blend those bezels in quite nicely (for me at least)

[cold shell]

I'll notice the shimmering Heck. I noticed things looking off on the RP Mini even before the whole fake resolution situation got properly revealed

[sly rampart]

Yeah, some people seem more sensitive to it than others. I'm thankful I can't notice it as it's the sort of thing that would drive me batty.

[dusty marsh]

reminds me how i notice juddering happen when watching a 24hz movie on a 60hz display but others don't see anything wrong with it

[cold shell]

I have no idea what PPI is required for me to not notice issues. But with the Mini (which was 400+) I noticed it

[brittle tiger]

Yup, in fact it’ll be better for 480p and 240p stuff using overscan than the current screen, since it’ll actually be integer scaled and not a fake resolution being rendered wrong.

[sly rampart]

On the cubexx I need integer scaling. The cube is like 250dpi.

[cold shell]

Someone make a 500/600 PPI screen pls.

[nova skiff]

wait for handheld companies to source that 4k 5" screen from that one sony phone

[summer marsh]

Well they have to sell this now

That looks so good

[solemn sentinel]

Idk why it wasn't that way from the beginning

[cold shell]

Didn't Retroid announce they were partnering with a manufacturer to develop custom OLED screens?

[brittle tiger]

I still think it was the stupidest move I’ve ever seen any company do, for the sheer fact that they made a controversy that could’ve been entirely avoided.

This is outright better than the 4:3 one, even ignoring what we now know.

[dusty marsh]

because "muh 4:3 ratio"

[brittle tiger]

Yes, for a V2 that would still be expected no less than a year from now.

[nova skiff]

personally, I don't think developing a custom screen is a good use of their resources (right now at least) but what do I know lol

[cold shell]

If the 4:3 was actual 1280x960, 1280x960 would be better than 1240x1080 for integer scaling

[brittle tiger]

I agree, but they’re the ones doing it so screw it.

[pseudo dove]

Are they doing it though !?

[cold shell]

10/10 would buy if they made a 4-5" 1280x960 screen

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, and 31:27 would be better for Gameboy and 8:7 stuff so I’d enjoy that more, and now we can add the fact we currently know it’s outright better for integer scaling than the current screen.

[nova skiff]

😪 talk to me when they make a screen with rg552's resolution but smaller

[brittle tiger]

Since at least the new screen would allow for integer overscale, versus the current screen being utterly screwy with stuff like that.

[frank grove]

They havent put them in stock yet since making the change

[cold shell]

Talking more about the resolution, not the aspect ratio though

1280x960 has less compromises integer scaling than 1240x1080

[gaunt cargo]

Im sure this was posted, but for pinning;

Update Regarding RP Classic shipping and Teal, Kiwi and Berry shells. US customers will need to change color if you got these ones.

We should have our RP Classic review unit tomorrow so you can see if its worth keeping that pre-order. We'll host a livestream after it arrives.

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, and now it’s better than both.

Besides, I like the aspect ratio more, and I already slap on sharp-shimmerless to anything that isn’t non-integer, so I don’t care about integer scaling unless it can be overscaled without losing too much of the screen.

[brittle tiger]

We already posted it a while ago. But I don’t think we pinned it, so that’s actually helpful.

[frank grove]

Oh tomorrow??

Hell yea

[merry mango]

the new mini looks way more enticing now. why did they go with the stupid old screen in the first place?

[nova skiff]

because the god of 4:3 aspect ratio would not have been pleased

[brittle tiger]

Because “4:3 and 1280x960 are outright required for it to be good”, even when we know it outright isn’t even 1280x960.

[glass orbit]

assuming you don't use 4:3 aspect ratio for the home consoles

[brittle tiger]

You shouldn’t be using them like that in the first place unless you deliberately only care about 4:3.

At this point there’s outright been enough proof of devs not actually accounting for either option alone and literally everyone (except for a select few) just half-assed their adjustments, resulting in some sprites for the same games being made for 8:7 and some being made for 4:3.