Retroid Pocket Classic

[steady mortar]

Real performance it would give them the boost

In real life no joke

[delicate ermine]

nah, no "but... OLED", we ain't paying overblown prices with a 4/64 config

[steady mortar]

Two years ago it would be 200 plus

I remember odin lite being 200

[delicate ermine]

yeah but we don't have 2023 anymore

[steady mortar]

Yh because we got options

Too many options

[delicate ermine]

if they intended to charge more than $99, they should have at least made it 4/128

and honestly, if it's much more than $99, like $139 or something, they should have just done a SD865 one

[wintry pecan]

you really dont need more than 64gb unless your gonna load up on ps1 games

[delicate ermine]

it's not about needing it, but them cutting cost there, so the price better being appropriate

[late rock]

865 for $139?

[steady mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-matter-of-principle-tawog-the-amazing-world-of-gumball-gif-26183426

[late rock]

If anything the classic is probably going to be more expensive now

[summer marsh]

That wasn’t my takeaway from the comment. More like if it’s $139 they should have just went the whole way and given us a proper DMG alternative (at a bit higher price)

[steady mortar]

865 for 139 is crazy I can't lie

[delicate ermine]

nah, but at that point I would rather pay more for a proper SoC 😂

[summer marsh]

seems like there will still be a hole in the market for a proper DMG alternative that doesn’t cost $4-500

[steady mortar]

This is better ayaneo dmg

Without stick

With oled

[summer marsh]

Not without a better SoC it ain’t

[late rock]

A stick would have been nice ngl

[wild beacon]

that's just like, your opinion man

[steady mortar]

And I'm stand on business

[late rock]

It's better for the price for most people

Not in specs sure but more justifiable to purchase

[summer marsh]

You don’t know the price yet haha

[steady mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-standing-on-business-gif-1799577710061131333

[summer marsh]

If it’s $99 I agree tho

[late rock]

Can't be as bad the dmg

[summer marsh]

Well that’s not the point, there is $99 or giving a proper DMG alternative at say $170 with sd865

[steady mortar]

Ayaneo dmg in my opinion if they did two sticks I would be like I hear it

[late rock]

If they made it $170 I would want sticks though

[steady mortar]

Exactly

[late rock]

For this design cheaper is better imo

[steady mortar]

Man said 170 without sticks you must lost your head 🤣

Nah actually If you want to dock it I understand but still

[summer marsh]

No dock, no sticks. Just premium emulation experience 😉

[late rock]

Maybe for saturn

That's about it though

[summer marsh]

No even just Saturn

Use the most accurate cores

[late rock]

Ps2 and gamecube would be out of the question

[steady mortar]

Ahhhhh it about that cores

[summer marsh]

None of this low end crap 💩

[summer marsh]

Says who?

[junior fox]

No SD865?

[late rock]

Bro

[junior fox]

Get the 49311

[late rock]

It's obvious

[summer marsh]

Bruh I’m not gonna play mgs3 on it or fps, play soul calibur 2, dead or alive, capcom vs snk 2, ridge racer, outrun 2006. I could list like 300 ps2 games

[wintry pecan]

this is definitely their new budget handheld

you want ps2 buy a flip or rp5

[steady mortar]

😏

[late rock]

That's just a waste though, why get an 865 to play such a small part of the library

[steady mortar]

I agree

[summer marsh]

It would be a bonus. Some of us want headroom to use the best cores and shaders

None of this budget handheld barely running ps1 and shit

[late rock]

I'm just saying if this were to hypothetically have an 865

[wintry pecan]

it wont, its 4nm

[late rock]

Does the helio g99 struggle to emulate ps1

[late rock]

Hypothetically

[wintry pecan]

no, not hypothetical

[late rock]

As in if it were to have an 865, I know it's not going to

[merry mango]

but when can i have one in my hands?

(or two)

[late rock]

Soon

[merry mango]

i think i will wait for aliexpress coupons tho

if im buying two

and a rpflip2

[delicate ermine]

well, let's just say they better stay very close to $100 with this

[full vortex]

That’d be so cool

But 120-130 seems realistic

[wintry pecan]

if its 100-120 im in all the way, maybe even for 2

[full vortex]

Same lol

[delicate ermine]

while I would have easily paid $179 for a SD865 SKU, with this SoC, I would already be salty about $109 😅

like, above $100 they should at least put in a 128gb ROM so I don't need an SD card for PS1 roms 😂

[merry mango]

OoOoO which two

[junior fox]

I'm probably not going to be willing to pay anything more than $110 or so

[late rock]

I just want a black colorway

[steady mortar]

I want that atomic purple

Because whooooo

[delicate ermine]

yeah, that would be nice and would make the decision easy

[merry mango]

oh one thing i forgot to look out for. is it mono sound?

ah looks like it

hmm... maybe not as endgame as id like it to be

[inland pulsar]

Is the screen 4:3?

[dusty marsh]

When black???

[late rock]

Soon I hope

[delicate ermine]

31:27

[steady mortar]

I can't lie I love black to bits but this one I'm glad they didn't do black on this one

[delicate ermine]

I mean, the OG GBC colors are appealing, but black would have made my decision easy

also I'm missing Dandelion and Purple

so buying all GBC colors isn't even an option

[dusty marsh]

No transparent black though. Has to be solid. 🫠

[rare pumice]

with a grim reaper logo

maybe thats what Retroid can do for sept devices, make a limited scary colors. black grim reaper with crossing chains on the back, and a dark red demon, with chains.

https://tenor.com/view/demon-devil-evil-under-world-gif-11833959824753727813

https://tenor.com/view/herejes-gif-gif-17510279819916460843

[dusty marsh]

Insta-buy for me

[bright plinth]

Plenty of speculation with pricing, especially with the "mini" tax as well.
But if retroid really want this thing to sell it seems like the concensus is about $100. Maybe $99 with a $89 preorder.

Think about it, sure they could put another $30 on, making it $129. But for every person who chooses to not buy it because of the cost is a lot of lost profit and eats into total profit if they had just sold more at a lower price.

In my opinion, this device needs to be low priced and absolutely dominate the market. Give no one a reason to buy another brand, because you may as well pay a few dollars extra for the best low end vertical hands down. Not umm and ahh about double the price for a nice screen over the competition.

[novel crane]

https://youtu.be/PyNSAZy8xlQ already found a new game I wanna play on this when we get a price and release datw

[inland frost]

“Mini” tax?

[bright plinth]

This part of their Mini screen solution.

[inland frost]

Oh, man, a million.

[bright plinth]

At $30 extra a handheld it's still over 30k devices sold, which is a lot. They won't get that on just one product line. Of course more devices sold for lower mark ups too, but even anywhere over the $100 mark you're reducing units sold in my opinion.

So, that's why I suggesting this thing can't go for a premium to be successful, it has to dominate the rest and give zero reason to spend on a Brick or Rg40v.

[junior fox]

The info drip is fkn killing me

[summer marsh]

Does the Flip 2 even have a price yet?

[candid jasper]

One two flipillion dollars

[delicate ermine]

nah, no price for Flip2 nor Classic, Classic not even having a SoC (officially, albeit we are pretty confident that it is the SD4(s)Gen2

[rare magnet]

Takes them a bit to dial up those prices after the Mini fiasco.

[late rock]

Please no

[delicate ermine]

your Flip 2 is now $249 and Classic will be $119, eat that

[sharp tiger]

Hahahha really?

I was right then

That's not often

[rare magnet]

No prices yet ... this is Retroid we're talking about.

[sharp tiger]

Truth, but I mean I am excited so far

[rare magnet]

Isn't the only thing we've gotten so far since MiniGate broke some vague statement about the Classic's soc?

[ashen vault]

the bundle will cost $399

[delicate ermine]

they basically released a spec sheet... but just said 4nm Qualcomm SoC instead of giving us the info we desire

it's a 4(s)Gen2 anyway

[wintry pecan]

people pegged the rp5 at 250 before it launched at 200 for preorders, its now 220

so dont overestimate retroids ability to come in under expected price

[gusty socket]

Honestly I wonder if the controversy will make them want to restore some trust with customers with lower than expected prices

The specs stating that it has a 5000 battery and a 4nm processor has me hyped for the battery life, which has gotten me really interested in purchasing the device. It could replace all of my old linux devices

[summer marsh]

yeah it could, if it supports linux lol

[gusty socket]

It doesn't have to support linux to replace the niche that the linux products currently fill. I could sell my MMs, RGB30, RGXXs and put the profits towards the RPC

[delicate ermine]

I would want Linux on this tbh

or at least Gamma doing his magic

can already see 48hours of battery life with GammaOS

[gusty socket]

That would be ideal for sure

[regal egret]

Aspect ratio?

[ashen vault]

31:27 or close to 8:7

[regal egret]

Wild

[gusty socket]

It is the same screen used on the Ayaneo DMG. I watched Russ’s review for that device and was absolutely floored by the quality of the screen

[scarlet meadow]

Screen .
If you were floored by the quality of the screw you were watching a different kind of video

[rare magnet]

I thought Russ was on Youtube and not Onlyfans ...

[tender socket]

I'm personally relieved to hear about the quality of the screws

Some of y'all have never stripped a screw before and it shows

[candid jasper]

Stripping a screw is a skill issue

[delicate ermine]

Stripping a screw is a naughty thing to do

[gusty socket]

Lol I cannot believe I misspelled that. I was crafting something in Final Fantasy on the side and didn’t notice

[junior fox]

We like Russ around here

[pseudo dove]

What colour(s) are you all choosing??? I’m torn between retro and kiwi I think, do like the idea of a black bezel with the oled

[junior fox]

It's ok

The teal one looks real nice. I also like the DMG style one

[pseudo dove]

Yeah teal would be my 3rd pick

[bright plinth]

The first teal reveal looks better than the second
I'm hoping it's the darker shade, closer to the gbc colour

[junior fox]

The second one is closer to Tiffany blue

[pseudo dove]

On another look I think teal is the one!

[junior fox]

I’m torn between teal and DMG

[modest mantle]

I'm a sucker for the pokemon GBC. So that might have to be it. Teal would be my second pick tho

[junior fox]

But, at this rate, we probably still have a couple months to decide before preorders go up

[gaunt cargo]

News in the morning

[bright plinth]

How long till morning, for us abroad folk?

[solemn sentinel]

Define abroad

Oh right

Somehow didn't see Stubbs' message

[wintry pecan]

its chinese morning already

and it was a question, not a statement

[solemn sentinel]

It's afternoon over there

[bright plinth]

I'm not sure anyone understands time zones here

[pseudo dove]

My body is ready for some more news

[steady mortar]

Guys Retroid pocket 4 pro had sold out man

[ebon forum]

Magicx channel is right over there

News everyday

[obsidian roost]

tbh SD4g2 should be enough for nostick console

[steady mortar]

Yhhh

[obsidian roost]

might even be enough for some heavier shader 🤔

[pseudo dove]

Getting lte in the day for new news 😖

[surreal gyro]

People need to calm down. Lol. Maybe have more than one hobby although for some of you it sounds like addiction and might want to look into intervention

[late rock]

I'm pretty sure I remember you also complaining about the drip feed of news a few weeks ago

[glacial bison]

Gimmie mah cheap plastic vidya devices grrrrr... We're breaking the conditioning...

[surreal gyro]

One time. And I simply stated this is what they do every release. Was an observation not an overreaction 👍🏻

[frank plinth]

I think what gets me the most is watching the rise and fall of sentiment towards each of these brands. It's like looking at a cryptocurrency price chart. 📉 📈

[gusty socket]

Man I should’ve put money on crypto back in college, imagine how rich I’d be

[glacial bison]

I'm a 'we've moved from being greatful to retroid for extending the refunds to random paranoid assumptions that everything they release in the future will be overpriced and mini owners are to blame' drama appreciator

[frank plinth]

My wife's friend was explaining Bitcoin to me back in 2013-2014... And I remember just being like, "okay, man, cool..."

He owns a really nice house now.

[frank plinth]

If prices go up, it'll likely be due to uncertainty in nearly every market.

[glacial bison]

I'm just observing the reactions, I'll get a flip 2 regardless unless they fumble something badly

[frank plinth]

It's just funny to see "Geez, Anbernic slow down already!!" go to "Where's Anbernic!?"

[glacial bison]

Right

[frank plinth]

And MagicX lied to us!!! to Yooo, this new MagicX!!!

[glacial bison]

The ebb and flow of nerd infatuations

[frank plinth]

I get it, it's fun

But also funny

I'm kind of sour on color choices, to be honest. So I'm waiting for reviews regardless.

I wish we got solid grape or solid yellow. I don't have any nostalgia for the Pikachu model.

But I had grape as a kid. 🙂

[glacial bison]

I'd get the yello even though I don't like yello that much. It's a cheerful color, full of whimsy and mirth

[stone ice]

same here, i had the yellow one and hate the pikachu version

[glacial bison]

I had the transparent. Used to hide at work and play tecmo bowl

[ebon forum]

Living in the magicx channels may be a good investment

[modest mantle]

Says everyone for every valuable stock too 😆

I had a shiny blue sp. And a pokemon GBC. I must have had another color as well. Oddly enough I never had any of my consoles/handhelds in transparent plastic. Not sure what it was. It's like it wasn't cool? Or maybe it was never available at launch?

[late rock]

Maybe not overpriced, but I kind of doubt they won't somewhat increase the prices now

I mean they did say the rest of the 1 million they need will be distributed across future products

[novel crane]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's not just these, but others as well

So we might not see drastic jumps

[late rock]

I'm not sure, David said "in this class" so part of me is assuming that they mean their more premium products like the mini

[modest mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-fusion-dbz-goten-trunks-gif-8263700045051414172

Ayn and Retroid can finally be one

[late rock]

Ayndroid was meant to be

https://tenor.com/view/trunks-super-saiyan-android-if-they-set-that-android-free-it'll-be-the-end-of-all-of-us-gif-2328823252801726214

[modest mantle]

But yeah. Unfortunately I think the flip will be upped a little as well.

Possible I'll sit both out. Which is kinda nutty

[late rock]

Might just have to wait for discounts

[novel crane]

We still don't know prices yet, so time will tell

[novel crane]

Soon, Ayndroid will be the most powerful of them all

[warm nebula]

There's a wide range between slow down from ludicrous speed to complete stop though.

[glacial bison]

"Always keep em guessing"

[ebon forum]

It's not a dual screen though

So I don't think we'll see drastic ds anytime soon

[pseudo dove]

Wake up retroid

[late rock]

https://tenor.com/view/chop-suey-system-of-a-down-soad-eating-takeout-gif-16555910

[merry mango]

https://tenor.com/view/makeup-maquillaje-homer-shotgun-marge-gif-15616269

[regal egret]

Is that serj tankian

[late rock]

Yeah

[lyric flax]

https://tenor.com/view/serj-saturday-saturday-serj-serj-tankian-not-saturday-gif-27396853

[pseudo dove]

Sad day today

[rare magnet]

Won't you leave the price up on the table?
Here you go create another handheld (you wanted to!)

Bork the screen to ruin all the shaders (you wanted to!)

I cry ... when handhelds I want to BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUY

[gusty socket]

I love that song

[frank plinth]

TBF, according to reviews I've read, only some of the shaders were ruined... 😂

[astral holly]

so are we thinking we wont get saturn running on this now?

[ebon forum]

integer scaling is too!

[analog thunder]

The toxicity of our community, of our commuuuuunity

[eager rain]

I cry when handhelds deserve to die

[long wyvern]

So I just got an Alldocube 60, and it’s an SD 6 Gen 1 and they said it’s Bluetooth 5.0? It’s also 4nm.

Spec sheet says 5.2, but Alldocube says 5.0

[rare magnet]

RETROID! (Retroid)
RETROID! (Retroid)
RETROID! (Retroid)
RETROID! (Retroid)
Retroid, into your hands I commend my dollars
Retroid, into your hands
When will you release the price?
On your site release the price
On Discord release the price
On Reddit release the price, oh...

[long wyvern]

Was the chip revealed yet?

I haven’t been keeping up

[rare magnet]

Some Snapdragon.

That was the reveal.

[long wyvern]

Qualcomm 4nm

I saw that much

So yeah maybe it’s sd 6 gen 1?

That chip can do 3ds :3

[gusty socket]

I love how Chop Suey just starts quoting Jesus on the cross, the whiplash of the song is perfect

[rare magnet]

(Y'all forgive me for the SoaD stuff. Been grading papers for like three and a half hours now and it's probably doing something to my brain...)

[long wyvern]

Try to actually talk about the classic and then this. jk lol

[ashen vault]

https://tenor.com/view/saitama-one-punch-man-ok-okay-unimpressed-gif-4838585

[delicate ermine]

we speculated about that, but given they low ball on 4gb RAM and 64gb ROM we don't expect this SoC tbh

SD6Gen1 as a matter of fact is more powerful than the T820/D900
SD4(s)Gen2 is only Helio G99 level

[junior fox]

Just tell us the fuckin' chip already, sheeeeeeeesh

[late rock]

https://tenor.com/view/vro-vro-cat-cat-im-tweaking-im-tweaking-cat-gif-9452953164378936408

[ornate sail]

Can G99 run Saturn ?

[delicate ermine]

so-so, I wouldn't expect too much Beetle, maybe on 2D stuff and lighter 3D games, Yaba should be fine

[dusty marsh]

genuine question, does the whole retroid pocket micro fiasco influence people's decesion on purchasing the classic?

[delicate ermine]

probably not too much, they may have lost a bunch of pre-orders due to people waiting out on potential issues, but generally speaking the upcoming devices use known screens that have no such issues and reviewers hopefully scrutinize the new devices way more closely now... gotta watch Russ snapping the Flip 2 for 48 hours

[dusty marsh]

i am just imagining russ folding the screen completely backwards now, with determination, as it snaps in half 👀

[junior fox]

Not me, no

[delicate ermine]

well, I mean if he opens and closes it for 48hours straight it might happen without determination...

[dusty marsh]

The hinges are my biggest concern, so it's a valid test if possible.

[summer marsh]

not totally dismissing the issue but it's a vocal minority. also not everyone in this hobby is paying attention to the drama, and a lot of people frankly don't care.

[delicate ermine]

I mean realistically speaking he can't really test it to an extend that would simulate 100k open/close cycles

[junior fox]

We would need quite a few drinks and snacks for such a vid

[bright plinth]

Unless he grabs a snack and a drink
Then he can settle in and flip.

[delicate ermine]

48hours non stop flipping action would result in 35k open/close cycles IMO

[modest mantle]

Its like a subathon stream

By the end he'd be crying with every snap

[late rock]

So approximately 144 hours are needed to fully test its capabilities

[wild beacon]

what do you want to bet that at least one YouTuber actually runs with this idea and does a live stream of them just opening and closing the thing for hours on end

[dusty marsh]

I can see the Phawx or Wulff doing this.

[wintry pecan]

if you opened and closed it 10x a day for a year thats still only 3650 cycles

i forget what number chris said htey had the hinge validated at but it was either 10k or 100k, both of which are more than enough

[late rock]

It was 100k I believe

The flip will instantly shatter into a thousand pieces on the 100,001th flip

[wintry pecan]

if it was 100k then the hinge will last longer than the battery

[late rock]

Yeah by that point we'll have the flip 4

[delicate ermine]

batteries are replaceable, hinges are not

[brittle tiger]

Not if they’re using batteries that are hard to source outside of China.

Like what AYANEO and also Ayn like to do…for some godforsaken reason.

[wintry pecan]

yeah i dont expect to be able to replace ANY of the batteries in my devices, when they die, they die

[ebon forum]

Hmm

Multiply that number by 10

Integer scaling!

[brittle tiger]

Eh, some companies regularly use easy to replace batteries with standard connectors (since they’re also even cheaper to source).

[wintry pecan]

it would do the community better to riot over batteries and replaceability

theres tons of off the shelf stuff we could be using

[delicate ermine]

I mean... hard to replace at the same capacity sure, but not impossible at a lower one iirc

[dusty marsh]

Let's hope by then it's dual screen

[brittle tiger]

Hell, I’m pretty sure there’s “bigger battery mods” involving some of the RG XX handhelds that literally is just them finding a bigger battery that fits (or even a better quality battery of the same size), that also happens to use the same standard jst connector.

[delicate ermine]

5.5" top 16:9, 4.5" bottom 4:3 let's gooo

[late rock]

Maybe by then retroid will be a household name

[surreal gyro]

You'll see someone like ayn do it before retroid does. But ayn would do it well

[wintry pecan]

the classic has a very good chance

the xxSP nearly did it for anbernic

[late rock]

Oh yeah I've even see the anbernic sp in videos not even about handhelds

[wintry pecan]

yeah it was reported on in so many non hobby spaces

[dusty marsh]

Savage but you're not wrong. Don't forget ayaneo making it more complicated and charging too much at the same time... oh wait that already happened.

Think they are working on a flip 2.

[surreal gyro]

I don't count ayaneo for anything 🤣

[dusty marsh]

I like a few of their handhelds. The pocket micro, pocket dmg, and pocket s but the rest I can do without.

[wild beacon]

DMG is GOAT

haters just don't understand

[junior fox]

Anybody have a setup guide they like for retroarch crt beam sim? I’m gonna try it out on this here Ally X

[summer marsh]

No but let me know if you need help, I use it regularly on my iPad Pro

Make sure retroarch is up to date and use the online updater to grab the latest shaders

[main mason]

still no news? the drip feed marketing strategy for the classic is torturing the possible customers

[rare pumice]

"possible customers" being the keywords here.

[solemn sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/862649843779895306/1333875571393953843/attachment.gif

[dusty marsh]

Please announce an all black version as well with six buttons 🫠

[novel crane]

Oh

So its mainly 6gb with 128 storage

ok that I'll accept

[bright plinth]

The best, 4gb handicapped version has 6 buttons, but is the least likely to run Saturn.

[solemn sentinel]

Wait

[novel crane]

No the 6 button also a 6gb variant

[solemn sentinel]

Flip 2 is $10 more expensive than RP5??

That's not much more at all

[novel crane]

130 for 6gb and 128 storage is good

But

No word on chipset yet

[solemn sentinel]

No word on chipset or if it'll have Linux support

Which would be a major factor for me

[bright plinth]

Of course it does. But that's beside the point

[dusty marsh]

Release. The. Chip. Set.

[lucid bone]

What is Lauch Time?

[dusty marsh]

More like laugh time

[turbid haven]

i was fully expecting it to be 20-30 more at least

[solemn sentinel]

Absolutely

[last badge]

Right let's play a guessing game

My guess is 6 Gen 1

Potentially could be a 6s Gen 3 if they're going for new chips

[turbid haven]

ah fair 😄

[knotty thunder]

I wonder how es-de themes will look on the classic's screen

124 is not bad though

[pseudo dove]

What’s shipping to UK like, anyone know?

[turbid haven]

4px i think will be $15 or so?

[pseudo dove]

Thanks, not bad

[distant ledge]

I don't understand is the Saturn one just 4+64 GB? Or is it the other way around: this option being only for the Saturn (and DMG)?

[solemn sentinel]

Basically, with the 4 GB model, you're limited to just the DMG and Saturn models

But with 6 GB, you have access to all colours, including DMG and Saturn

They could have made it a bit more clear tbh

[distant ledge]

Ok, thanks

[novel crane]

Tbh

[distant ledge]

I think I'd like a more colorful option; I had a berry GBC and have a Teal GBP so those two colors seem appealing to me...

[novel crane]

I don't see why you wouldn't just get the 6gb model

[distant ledge]

To save money?

[novel crane]

128 storage for all of your retro games + sd card slot for other stuff like music

[novel crane]

Fair

[distant ledge]

I wonder when shipping will start if preorder opens... today, is it?

[novel crane]

17th

The pre-orders are on the 17th

[distant ledge]

Okay, I was too hasty just saw some hours 😛

[lucid bone]

Preorder start 9:30 EST on March 17, and it'll ship in mid-April

[novel crane]

A bit late lol

[lament cloud]

:p let me Rejoice

[solemn sentinel]

I feel like I should get free shipping on March 17th

It's my day after all

[craggy torrent]

Well there goes most of my savings

[solemn sentinel]

😌

[distant ledge]

A month late... if history has taught me anything is that there's nothing wrong with being a late adopter 😛

[lament cloud]

Is "launch time" when they expect to start shipping?

[steady mortar]

The price very nice

[craggy torrent]

No that's when pre orders start

[steady mortar]

6+128 very nice

[lament cloud]

I wish they provided a modern color classic too

All black or something

[surreal gyro]

Being late helps you. Probably won't have to ship it back or replace parts yourself 😅

[solemn sentinel]

lauch*

[distant ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-hatsunemiku-vocaloid-leekspin-gif-27084853

[halcyon gyro]

I wish we had an image of just how translucent that atomic purple is, the renders doesn't feel reliable

[novel crane]

https://youtu.be/to-lxxxFJg4 sacraligious to post this, but maaaan

If this screen is saying anything to me, imma have a GOOD OL TIME

[lucid bone]

Ayaneo DMG Classic without sticks and touchpad soon

[novel crane]

The touchpad was always a mistake

[vestal thunder]

#1339773221175824415 message

My prediction skills were on point

[steady mortar]

Since day one

[distant ledge]

Why? It's gimmicky for sure but also somehow cool 😛

[scarlet meadow]

Using is not as cool as it seems .

It actually kind of is ass TBH

[late rock]

Should've been a second stick

[pseudo dove]

I was watching a few dmg videos this morning to check the screen out, can’t wait for the classic

[dusty marsh]

Bit the bullet and bought one. Overkill but I love the appearance and damn it, I want it in black.

[brittle tiger]

Gonna go ahead and post the price with the pinned comment of Atheonyirh effectively saying the chipset in the Classic.

[twin shale]

https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/unisoc-tiger-t618-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-4-gen-2

Basically gonna be stronger than it really has to be

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, in power efficiency, it’s actually gonna be really freaking good, even compared to the T618.

I don’t know how the slight overclock will affect it, but it should still be pretty great.

Regardless though, those Prices were legit exactly what I was expecting the range to be for the Classic.

[twin shale]

It's a pretty good price, although if they really don't want to mess up shaders/scaling on a device this would be the one haha

[pseudo dove]

How feasible is Linux on this chip?

[novel crane]

Should be possible

[steady mortar]

So I was thinking yeah it's overclocked 4 gen 2 on real performance it will be surpass t820 or d900

[brittle tiger]

They haven’t announced anything like that yet, so I’m personally not too sure. It’s at least a good bit better than most chipsets since it isn’t as completely locked down.

[twin shale]

It really doesn't need to be that strong fwiw

[brittle tiger]

Well, it’s nice enough for shaders and such, plus it kind of has to for the Sega Saturn variant if they want to push it into having more games playable on Beetle.

[viral mantle]

The combo is quite appealing. Makes a lot more sense than the RP5+Mini combo

[magic rover]

You sure this beats T820? Quite appealing at that price if so.

[brittle tiger]

Well, that’s because it’s around the same tier as the Helio G99.
https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/qualcomm-snapdragon-4-gen-2-vs-mediatek-helio-g99

[steady mortar]

On cpu side

But gpu t820 is winning that

[brittle tiger]

It’s a bit more complex than that.

Its CPU beats it out, but its GPU is definitely not.

At the same time though, CPU is the more important part for Saturn game performance.

[quaint steeple]

if its truly 4G2, its quite bad for linux
https://linaro.github.io/msm/soc/sm4450

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, it’s why I’m only really expecting Linux to happen if Retroid makes it officially supported.

[regal hawk]

This means a limited life for the device as the android software base will likely not be updated. Takes a lot of the appeal away for me.

[brittle tiger]

Since at the very least, they can still effectively work on Linux for it (as opposed to some devices with more locked down SOC’s, so their makers flat out couldn’t do Linux support if they wanted to with those chipsets).

[halcyon gyro]

so from my understanding this isnt an actual true 4G2 and also one of those overclock spin offs that existed for the aya pocket evo? so maybe driver support may not even be that great, but I guess that may not be so important for the games this device is meant to run

[twin shale]

At least android is the superior OS

[steady mortar]

It's like cpu it would matters performance wise

[brittle tiger]

Nah, it’s essentially meant to be the exact same chip, but slightly overclocked.

It’s not like the AYANEO Pocket Evo’s G3X Gen 2, since that is the exact same as the 8 gen 2’s CPU, but directly uses a better GPU.

[steady mortar]

But it's does have chip compatibility issues however emulation wise

It's same

So this one will perform bit better than t820 and d900 on cpu

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, the G3X Gen 2 has issues because it has a better GPU than the 8 Gen 2, so it’s literally a different chip with entirely different drivers.

This should only have, at best, modified drivers that allow for it to be overclocked, but not drivers made for an entirely different CPU and/or GPU since it should still be the same in actual hardware.

[twin shale]

Compatibility really doesn't matter for the games it will play

[steady mortar]

So it's always come to optimizations that retroid needs for this chip alone

[brittle tiger]

And yeah, that too.

[steady mortar]

That's why I'm slightly worried about anbernic using g2 gen 1 which it's overclocked sd865

[brittle tiger]

The difference between the 2 is that this should be able to use the same drivers as the official 4 Gen 2, they just wouldn’t be taking full advantage of what it could do if they didn’t release the drivers for the new one.

[twin shale]

Like really the biggest question would be, does this run Saturn well.

If you want like gcn/PS2, just buy another device really

[steady mortar]

For rg557 🤭

[twin shale]

Just waiting for it to be announced

[brittle tiger]

I suppose it does mostly depend on how well it can run Beetle Saturn with the overclocks, but it was already expected to run almost all 2d stuff as well as a good amount of less demanding 3d. So maybe this’ll be the push it needs to go for most 3d as well?

[brittle tiger]

And for the most demanding stuff in general, that would still be “playable” on Yaba, although it wouldn’t be great…

[steady mortar]

It's reminds me of goku asking vegata for more power to defeat broly

[astral holly]

So should I e be good for Saturn on the classic?

We*

[lunar pecan]

THEY MADE A COMBO OMG

[merry mango]

so flip2 and classic releasing at the same time?

[brittle tiger]

Looks like it, the official announcement doesn’t say anything about them being released separately.

[merry mango]

does anyone remember how long it took after the rp5 release on retroids store for it to be sold on aliexpress?

wondering if the aliexpress coupons would make it cheaper or same as this preorder bundle deal

[dusty marsh]

Didn't they do the same for the 5 and mini with the mini being released first though?

[merry mango]

aliexpress will have a little bit higher price tag, but also gives me time to wait for reviewers to comment on the flip2 hinge

[merry mango]

yeah this is what im wondering.

[merry mango]

wait a sec. says launch time, not preorder time

[brittle tiger]

Nah, in the actual announcement it’s pre-orders.

[brittle tiger]

Imma just nip this in the bud now.

[merry mango]

my bad, its lauch time, NOT launch time

[brittle tiger]

Screenshot for anyone not on the more recent updates.

[distant widget]

someone mention embargo on the chip? can't be a new chip right

[distant widget]

ya, dont make sense for an embargo if its just the sd4g2 to me

i hope its not some weird gaming custom chip from qualcomm

[brittle tiger]

Well, if it’s just an overclock mod, then it shouldn’t be the same as the G3X line of chips (which all are usually customized versions of their more higher end chips that use more powerful GPU’s, like the Gen 2 being an 8Gen2 with a more powerful GPU), since it would only require modified versions of the same 4Gen2 drivers that allow for said overclock (versus the G3X needing fully custom drivers).

[glass orbit]

it could be this one https://www.qualcomm.com/products/catalog/snapdragon-g-series-gaming-platforms/snapdragon-g1-gen-1-gaming-platform

[distant widget]

we have not seen any device from the other two custom gaming chips yet, will this be the first 🤣 ?

[steady mortar]

Basically yes

Anbernic is even going to use g2 gen 1 for their next device

[modest mantle]

So we still don't know soc. Guess that'll decide my purchase

[pseudo dove]

It’s a secret

[distant widget]

for the 6 buttons, which 4 will likely be bind as default if you pick xbox layout in those controller mode settings ?

[modest mantle]

Feel like the basic model or combo is the way I'll end up going. Still don't know if I wanna be a flip guinea pig

[modest mantle]

The horrible 4

[delicate ermine]

yeah, we were speculating about this one, unfortunately there are no benchmarks

[merry mango]

im doing the 6 button+flip2 (black) combo

[glass orbit]

probably because it's not out yet, hence the embargo thing

[modest mantle]

Honestly if I did get the Saturn. Which I really have no desire to, I'd probably want to rebind on a game by game basis. Which might destroy my soul

[merry mango]

classic was designed for 6 button

just by telling from teh start/select button placement

if it does feel weird to play 4 face button games, then ill also get the dmg colorway

[brittle tiger]

…I mean I’m just getting the DMG colorway for making it PSX themed.

[ornate sail]

Indeed. Good finding. It is BT5.0 but is it 4nm ? Active cooling would allow overclock.

[glass orbit]

i can't find any info on that yet, probably just have to wait a few days to find out

[naive lantern]

4g of ram seems like a lot for what it is designed to play. What do y'all plan on playing on it?

[glass orbit]

8/16 bit stuff

[delicate ermine]

Mario Kart Double Dash!!

[naive lantern]

You can play that just with dpad?

[brittle tiger]

I’m planning to get the 128GB internal storage for Android stuff just as a “why not”.

[naive lantern]

Pretty much same

10$ differents

[brittle tiger]

Yeah if you bind Analog Stick controls to the D-Pad. And that’s assuming Dolphin doesn’t just make a built-in hotkey for swapping D-Pad and left analog controls for the sake of people using a d-pad only controller/handheld, like with PPSSPP’s Axis-Swap.

[lethal falcon]

oh my god i didnt notice how off center it was till now

[delicate ermine]

I mean, pretty sure you can map the stick inputs to the d-pad with Dolphin 👀

[unkempt frost]

This would make a lot of sense given the embargo. Proper Wi-Fi version as well.

[delicate ermine]

also would be fun, given how the Pocket DMG uses the G3x Gen 2

[brittle tiger]

@gaunt cargo Here we go.

[delicate ermine]

man, Kiwi, Teal or Berry?

[lunar pecan]

is it pocketable

[brittle tiger]

I’ve already made it clear that I’m either doing DMG to make a PSX theme (not a perfect one, but it’s good enough for me) or Saturn for the 2 extra hotkey buttons.

[twin shale]

Is it possible to use as a suppository

[brittle tiger]

Beyond that, it’s purely dependent on what you prefer.

[unkempt frost]

Depends on how brave you are

[twin shale]

New review test

[tender socket]

Yes but it won't be comfortable. It's bigger than my smartphones and this mockup I made is about half the actual thickness

[unkempt frost]

Given that there's only a $10 savings on the 64/4 one instead of buying the 128/6 one, I imagine they'll sell a whopping three units total

[tender socket]

Yes but it won't be comfortable. It's bigger than my smartphones and this mockup I made is about half the actual thickness

[brittle tiger]

…You’re using your smartphone as a suppository?

[delicate ermine]

it's also only two colorways

[magic rover]

Yes.

[naive lantern]

I want to get it but I'm unsure never had an android handheld before

[twin shale]

@gaunt cargo can you confirm? The people need to know

[delicate ermine]

they probably changed their mind about the 4/64 setup after I complained 😂

tho I only demanded 128 ROM

never said anything about the RAM

[delicate ermine]

it's a pain to set up but only takes a few hours and then you are fine

[naive lantern]

Can some tell me if I should or shouldn't

[glass orbit]

i'm wondering if daijisho works well on this aspect ratio

[glass orbit]

do you want a vertical handheld with nice screen for emulating 8/16 bit

[naive lantern]

Those are my favorite games

And I love vertical handhelds

[modest mantle]

Teal would be my second pick. No doubt. Doubt we'll ever see another handheld in that color 😆

[brittle tiger]

Let’s ask Zu, he’s the reviewer who seems to use Daijisho enough to know which themes work on the Cube and Unicorn.

[glass orbit]

then yes

[naive lantern]

Thx

[magic rover]

No idea why these are so underrated with manufacturers. It's like everyone decided to blow them on $5 famiclones and then swear them off.

[delicate ermine]

it's a shame they don't offer a combo deal for two Classics

[modest mantle]

Haha. Or an all classics bundle

[naive lantern]

Preorder starts in 4 days?

[glacial bison]

How many do you need o.o

[modest mantle]

I might get a 4 and a 6 and see if it really matters

[glacial bison]

A 6 is tempting yea

[modest mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/taste-the-rainbow-giraffe-skittles-cotton-candy-pride-gif-22071315

[brittle tiger]

They should’ve designed it to have the buttons and shell as interchangeable faceplates.

That way you can have all the colors and still only need 1 functional Classic.

[naive lantern]

Are people getting the 4 buttons or the 6. Are there any other differents other than the number of buttons?

[modest mantle]

People would have bought a dumb number of swaps. Raise MOQ for production. Reduce cost

[glacial bison]

gets everything they want
Start lamenting the fact that it isn't also a transformer

[brittle tiger]

Only difference is the buttons, since 6 buttons also uses a different layout for the ABXY buttons.

[modest mantle]

Things can always be inproved

I only got like 60% of what I wanted

The bundle might sell me tho

[glacial bison]

That's true

[brittle tiger]

Who doesn’t want a Transformer? That’s the peak of technology.

[twin shale]

Honestly dude. The 6 button looks fucking tight for fighting games lol

[scarlet meadow]

No do not use as a suppository

[glacial bison]

It needs to learn to breakdance or it just isn't worth my money

[modest mantle]

Not recommended for prison pocket

[brittle tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-masterforce-ginrai-optimus-prime-bumper-gif-17511813

[twin shale]

Can't wait to buy this at my local sex shop

[brittle tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/optimus-prime-griddy-griddy-dance-fortnite-fortnite-chapter-4-season-3-gif-7237622466473812331

Transformers also do that.

[inland frost]

HELL YEAH MORE RAM ON THE 4 BUTTON MODEL

[lunar pecan]

ah rip

[glacial bison]

The classic needs to learn to breakdance

[modest mantle]

@late rock leaked footage of ONEXSUGAR

[naive lantern]

I'm use to the abxy layout but idk if the extra buttons will be worth it for keybinds

[lunar pecan]

maybe i should just get the flip 2

[twin shale]

I mean there is a clear difference for this vs the flip 2

[brittle tiger]

Well yeah, the Saturn and Retro Colorways have cheaper options, but you can also get the standard 6GB-RAM/128GB Storage for them. It’s honestly the first time I’ve seen someone do that for Limited edition Colorways.

[modest mantle]

Imo I don't think it's worth it cause size and placement difference. It would irk me

[naive lantern]

It would take some getting used to

Preorder opens on the 17th?

[modest mantle]

And then if you have other handhelds you'd have to get used to switching every time you put it down

[rough depot]

4 button definitely makes more sense for what I’d play, but cool to have the option

[naive lantern]

I'll do 4 as well

[modest mantle]

The big brain would be to Dremel out the holes and put regular sized buttons in the ABXY... Hmmm

[rough depot]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-big-gif-25300016

[pseudo dove]

Oh 1.30am

[modest mantle]

Def curious if Saturn people would have been that bothered if they'd done a full sized 6 in more traditional crossed layout

One of you dozen Saturn people weigh in!

[glass orbit]

tbh when googling for Snapdragon G1 you do get results for Transformers so i get the disappointment

[unkempt frost]

I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean laid out like an N64 controller?

[modest mantle]

Yeah

[unkempt frost]

I'd be okay with it

[modest mantle]

Except maybe full on all 6

[unkempt frost]

But I prefer how they have it

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Ok

I mean I get it would have just been more appealing. Tho maybe the point is to not have an auto buy

[unkempt frost]

Please note that a large reason I'd be okay with it is because there are so few 6-button handhelds to choose from. Beggars can't be choosers.

[modest mantle]

Oh for sure

[modest mantle]

It wouldn't have been perfect for N64 either n would have been great for nes/snes/gb

More of a Swiss army knife solution

[unkempt frost]

I don't know if I can set it up this way in RetroArch, but my plan was basically on SNES and the like to have the buttons be like this:

X-Y-X
A-B-A

On Saturn and Genesis, the C button and A button were often interchangeable.

[modest mantle]

Can use Key Mapper app to do that

[unkempt frost]

Ah yeah, good point

[modest mantle]

I really might try to Frankenstein some larger XY buttons in there

[opaque spoke]

You guys think the usb-c charging port will support video out? It's the only thing that's missing for me

[modest mantle]

My guess is we won't know until someone tries it

[rough depot]

Once we know the specific chip we can see if it would be possible, but that doesn’t guarantee that Retroid implements it I think

[glass orbit]

the spec sheet said video output n/a

so probably not

[brittle tiger]

To be fair, that may be one of the features of the chipset they couldn’t share due to the embargo, unlike the WiFi and Bluetooth which would be a separate module on the moderboard.

[distant widget]

wifi/bt for qualcomm chip (and most other manufacturers ' mobile chips) are part of the SOC i thought

[steady mortar]

That's true they haven't revealed the chip yet

But it's weird tho

Is it possible why anbernic is taking long as well

[opaque spoke]

I was hoping that just means there isn't a dedicated hdmi port

[brittle tiger]

Well no, they did technically reveal it, they just can’t publicly announce it.

[ornate sail]

5$ for preordering while nobody can see an actual working device yet ! That’s very very far from beeing enough provided the recurring issues with new models (RP4 screen and triggers, RPFlip hinges, RPM screen recently). That will simplify my choice a lot : 100% skipping preorder.

[steady mortar]

I just hope we actually get some information

[brittle tiger]

Well yeah, they can only reveal it on the day of pre-ordering. That’s how embargo’s work.

[steady mortar]

I will wait until reviews

[distant widget]

GDC is 18th, a minor refresh/rebrand/successor to the G1 gen 1 being announced is not impossible

[brittle tiger]

And also yeah, you shouldn’t pre-order it unless you’re completely fine with taking the risk. In general you shouldn’t be pre-ordering anything, unless you’re fine with essentially being a paid beta tester for batch one (which wouldn’t even guarantee the issues wouldn’t be in batch 2 onwards).

[ornate sail]

Retroid could have showed a working prototype. At this point, I can’t tell if the device already actually exists, and surely not if it has been properly tested by someone, Testing is Retroid’d work, not Youtuber’s.

[brittle tiger]

So yeah, don’t pre-order it. The only reason I’m doing so it is straight up because I’m fine with essentially being a beta tester for only around $115.

I’d still advise other people wait until devs get their units, not even Reviewers since they have to rush just to get reviews and any issues out before pre-orders ship (which means they’re likely gonna miss some like with the Mini).

[modest mantle]

Also might be something we can turn on somehow

[ornate sail]

Wise. Waiting devs feedback.

[nova skiff]

I'm okay with an overclocked SD4g2. I'm optimistic that the experience with beetle will be good enough for me

still of course not preordering and waiting for reviews

[brittle tiger]

Would definitely be great, although since the USB-C is on the top, that likely makes it difficult to dock safely without using a dongle adapter for hdmi.

[delicate ermine]

we are speculating for SD G1 Gen1 at this point, due to it matching the specs as far as we know and the SoC still being under embargo

[brittle tiger]

That or SD4sG2

[full vortex]

Some docks come with the angled adapter already like Jsaux

[brittle tiger]

Those would also work.

[full vortex]

Can’t wait to see in hand reviews. Buttons will make it or break it for me lol

[modest mantle]

Steam deck dock would probably work fine

Or one of those ROG wall wart docks

[delicate ermine]

the 4s Gen 2 is just an underclocked 4 Gen 2, while if there was no miscommunication between Atheon and David shouldn't be it, due to the statement that it's overclocked alone... also an embargo wouldn't make sense tbh

[modest mantle]

Heh. I have one of those too

[brittle tiger]

Fair enough, as long as it’s compatible enough with stuff tested for 4G2, I’m fine with the G1 Gen 1.

Although I am a bit confused since I thought the main difference between the 4G2 and 4sG2 was that it’s more efficient for the same performance, not that it’s natively underclocked.

[delicate ermine]

nah just an underclocked CPU

[distant widget]

"s" version are alot weaker than the normal models

[delicate ermine]

usually yes, but in this case it's literally just the CPU being slightly underclocked for whatever that's worth

[distant widget]

gpu is adreno 611 instead of 613, probably underclocked or lesser "cores" as well.
Seems to be mentioned only in wiki though, but a lower clock for gpu seems likely as well.

[full vortex]

I’m just happy we get a vertical handheld with no sticks and a good screen

[pseudo dove]

Who’s preordering the classic??

[full vortex]

Probably not to save $5. I need to hear in hand reviews first

[pseudo dove]

True

Might have those mini noisy buttons

[astral holly]

I’m torn between the 6 button pkmn and the purple classic definitely getting the gf flip

Gc*

[brittle tiger]

Thanks NexLevel.

[dusty marsh]

what do you plan to play?

[astral holly]

The flip will be better for streaming Xbox than the rp5 considering the stick location

For me atleast since I play a lot of ffxiv

[brittle tiger]

Well yeah, the offset makes it better.

[dusty marsh]

gimme the portal for streaming 😛

or the new abxylute handheld

[astral holly]

I got one of those already

Got the purple portal

Handhelds are retail therapy for me

[merry mango]

will they announce classic sp the day after my classic gets delivered

[distant widget]

Or maybe a "rp3s*

[brittle tiger]

Nah, but they will collaborate with MagicX to make a single-screen Super SP with SnapDragon G1 Gen 1 and the Mini V2’s 1440p screen.

This would of course be the cheaper and smaller option versus the MagicX Super DS that uses 2 screens, SnapDragon 865, and the Mini V2 screen as the bottom screen to the larger 16:9 1440p top screen.

And both would already be snapdragon variants to the current Mediatek planned versions.

(Yes, I’m currently trying to get @ebon forum to “say the line”).

[ebon forum]

Everything you said is slander against the holy smes

Horrible

[rough depot]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-silence-crab-gif-17525038274389172494

[brittle tiger]

Not the line I was looking for, but it is even better.

[wintry pecan]

Well well well look at those prices no one said could happen

[gusty socket]

I believed it would happen, I thought it was nuts people thought the controversy would make them increase the prices

[ebon forum]

Half of this is correct

But the super SP is ds

Smes sounds nicer than smeds

[twin comet]

I want the classic 6 button... But I also know I shouldn't lol

[frank grove]

I asked in the other sub, but will games that use a stick (i.e. ps2 and gc) be unplayable?

[novel crane]

Yes, cause even with sticks, the chipset wouldn't be able to play GCN and PS2

[lunar pecan]

spider-man dreamcast rahhhhh

[nova skiff]

dual A78s can handle GC alright

[late rock]

https://tenor.com/view/sageykins-neolliam-gif-26212324

[nova skiff]

PS2 probably not as much

[delicate ermine]

which is a factually wrong statement

[ebon forum]

Rah mentioned

Deploy the super sp

[nova skiff]

just basing that on the experience odin lite owners had

[delicate ermine]

this SoC will handle probably about 70-80% of the GCN library, how much use that really is without sticks may be questionable, but it's still powerful enough for that

PS2 naturally not nearly as much, but I guess the less demanding third of the library would work

[long wyvern]

the main question is will it handle 4x psx and other shaders, right?

without a stick who cares about GC/PS2 😛

[delicate ermine]

I will soooo map the d-pad to the analogue stick in dolphin and play Mario Kart Double Dash on this 😂

[full vortex]

gcn on this would be miserable

[delicate ermine]

should easily run at 2x even

[late rock]

Having this chip is actually pretty nice because you could probably play 2d games from ps2 and gc

So the sticks won't matter

[languid bone]

should handle. It's like helio h99 performance wise, but hotter xd

[hexed dagger]

I can buy the embargo argument, but not that one does not simply overclock a 4s gen2

[brittle tiger]

Yup, it’s funny how they decided to go with the reasonable price. Oh, but don’t get too smug and keep mentioning it.

[wintry pecan]

[heavy wren]

Team Kiwi

All the Way

[plain flax]

anyone know how this chip will fare running both the android OS and something like dreamcast or newer arcade games like cave shmups (mushihimesama and beyond)?

[rough depot]

We won’t know for sure until we for sure know the chip

Seems like the range people are expecting is still somewhat large

[terse zephyr]

kiwi fruit

or nz kiwi

or kiwi color

[naive lantern]

Any idea of a case that would be good?

And I know the orange and blue color is a reference to something but idk what.

[pseudo dove]

Do retroid usually have their official case for it available early?

[naive lantern]

Idk

[analog thunder]

Usually yeah, alongside preorders

[warm nebula]

some pokemon version gbc

[novel crane]

I hope this is ends up being good, as I've been looking for that middle ground between the DMG/Analogue Pocket and the MM+/Trimui Brick

[naive lantern]

It did remind me of Pokemon

[naive lantern]

Same

[rough depot]

Blue on the back

[unkempt karma]

mannn im torn on this thing. i want a vertical that feels more premium than my mm+ but the brick kinda fits that bill. this one is definitely the MOST premium… much to think on

[nova skiff]

I'm torn too. I'll have to think carefully about my whole collection if I end up getting this

[surreal gyro]

If the brick plays what you want, the hardware feels great, why spend the extra money? Because...OLED. And consumerism lol

[unkempt karma]

and i would imagine a significantly longer battery life

[surreal gyro]

You play these for hours on end without access to power? Lol

[nova skiff]

My brick replaced my MM and this could probably replace my brick. but it wont be as pocket friendly as my brick, and I know I would not want to go back to my MM for that since the brick spoiled me

decisions decisions

[surreal gyro]

I sold my brick within a week of getting it. The mmp still feels better to me.

[unkempt karma]

yeah some people play games rather than sit in this discord everyday

[surreal gyro]

That wasn't even my question 🤷🏻‍♂️ reading comprehension...

[unkempt karma]

i am a bangladeshi ai chatbot my friend

[nova skiff]

anywho

this and touch one are the handhelds I'm looking forward to the most right now

also I mentioned before I'm not too crazy about vertical handhelds but I'm on my way to having 3 of them

[unkempt karma]

whats touch one? havent heard of that yet

[nova skiff]

#1266817458417832110 message

the concept is very interesting to me though I'll wait until after reviews before pulling the trigger

[rough depot]

I’m on the fence about this as well. I have so many ways to play the games I’d play on this I’d basically just be buying it for the screen

Which is not a small reason imo

I’m keeping my miyoo mini for sure, because it’s just such a good size

But this would be more comfortable

[unkempt karma]

damn okay shawty!! whats the use case for the dual dpads i wonder?

[steady mortar]

And powerful

[stone ice]

you turn it around and play vertically for vertical arcade or ds, it also has l1 and r1 on the sides if you notice

[nova skiff]

also good for wonderswan, as niche as that is lol

[unkempt karma]

dude magicx is doing some really unique stuff i fuck w tht

[stone ice]

yeah it's cool

[novel crane]

Ngl, I like that MagicX is doing stuff like this

Breathes new life into the scene

[rough depot]

Touch one is the most interesting device I’ve seen in a while.

Flip is pretty cool too

This one is very basic, but hopefully premium

[tepid harbor]

It’s funny most people here are saying the pricings very good but when I go on reddit or twitter I see a lot of price complaints on the classic

Ig two different markets

No stick does suck tho

[naive lantern]

idk if its the photo but the og look more yellow and the RP look more orange

[stone ice]

people can have some pretty crazy expectations for something

[tepid harbor]

Yea

U get a really nice oled and build quality with probably really strong battery life

[stone ice]

i think it's good and i always find retroid stuff overpriced

[tepid harbor]

For the extra 50 or so dollars

And better power for shaders and ps1 upscale alongside possibly Saturn emulation

[novel crane]

Definitely yabashashiro stuff

But not exactly Beetle

[tepid harbor]

Yea

But it’ll play Saturn mostly good

ESP compared to the alternatives

[novel crane]

But you basically can run BSNES, mGBA, Beetle PSX, and other older systems really well

[tepid harbor]

I wouldn’t buy it personally cuz it’s not really my kind of device

But it’s really just competing with analogue pocket

[novel crane]

Which for accuracy, is awesome for me

[tepid harbor]

And Ayaneo dmg

Because ur using more accurate emulators in comparison

The need for hardware emulation probably is lesser compared to comparing like a miyoo mini plus

[novel crane]

Tbh, for what it offers, I think the Pocket is still overpriced. Sure FPGA and all that, but iirc it still doesn't have save states for all cores, some features are still missing, and i've heard mixed reviews on the d-pad

[tepid harbor]

I think retroid price to performance is quite good but the problem is their price has been creeping up because of the demand for better chips and parts

Yea analogue pocket always felt overpriced

ESP cuz gb/gbc emulation is practically perfect as is

[stone ice]

well i'm european so we get prices that are 20-40% more of what retroid says

[tepid harbor]

It’s really just nostalgia

[tepid harbor]

Yea that makes sense then

But I think in comparison to competition they’re still competitively priced it’s just that they lately been costing 200$ for those snapdragons and now were back to affordable options

[stone ice]

these will be like 150€ but i guess even that is pretty fine if it's as good as a d900 and with super good battery life

[tepid harbor]

I’m sure they’ll be using this chip in the future for budget friendly oled devices too

Cuz they don’t sell the 2s

And need to find ways to be relevant since better chips are coming at diminishing returns

[novel crane]

Also something else about Snapdragon chips that is becoming more relevant (especially the older/low to mid teir chips) that I can justify the slight increase in price for is the added bonus of Linux support, which opens the door for stuff like Portmaster and native Pico-8. Xbox, Wii U, and PS3 too as a bonus

[tepid harbor]

Yea, sd865 supports it

Wii U and PS3 have android emulators now and Wii U emulations getting better by the months

[summer marsh]

Okay I’ve been out of the loop but this seems like a reasonable price for what you get.

Though imo if it was confirmed to support Linux it would be a no brainer. Android for the systems I’ll play on this sounds unappealing.

Yes I know that Retroid name is a play on Android just saying. Still considering picking one up for that sweet OLED.

[tepid harbor]

Switch emulation actually has been getting better on android lately too

Citron updates have been targetting android more

I was struggling to run brothership before but nowadays I can mostly play it at full speed on handheld mode

And apparently the rp5 can run botw at pretty much full speed now

As more emulation gets optimized the need for a sd8 gen 2 becomes lesser and lesser unless you want a bit less tinkering for problematic games

[tepid harbor]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to find a snapdragon that was Linux compatible

Classic with pico-8 support would be great

[nova skiff]

running pico-8 through winlator is an option too

a good one? debatable but it's there lol

[naive lantern]

what systems on the higher in do you think it can run?

[heavy wren]

If it’s coming with any sort of snapdragon it will run everything designed for the dpad format

Pc ports/ nds/ 3ds/ ps1/ all the retro consoles

[naive lantern]

maybe come GC or 3ds?

psp?

[heavy wren]

It will also run smoothly well past that, but as said the Dpad can only take you so far as for controls

Without a joystick controls get very weird, manageable, possibly unplayable. But it should run, PSP emulation has been smooth since the Retroid pocket 2

[novel crane]

Which for some people (me, I am some people) is a bit more worth it lol

Switch Emulation is getting into a nice place, especially with NCE

[naive lantern]

nice seems like a great pick up for me rn i only have a MM v4 i love it but it is real small

[heavy wren]

This will be a Huge performance upgrade 👍🏽

[novel crane]

Also, with the 8 gen 2, you can pretty much run most games in docked mode np and it gets easier as optimization come along

[naive lantern]

true i've never had an android emulator. anything i should know?

[novel crane]

GC/PS2 will be the cap, and even then its like 70-80% of those libraries

Most of them around 2x for GC

[heavy wren]

Watch the android setup videos from RetroGameCorps!!!

[novel crane]

But no sticks will be your greatest enemy

[naive lantern]

so 2d wii will not work?

[novel crane]

Russ' videos are you biggest friend

[unkempt karma]

that sucks dick

[naive lantern]

love his vids

[novel crane]

They probably will, but i'd keep my expectations low with some games

[heavy wren]

Wii should play, but any games that need the sensor input are better handled by a joystick

[naive lantern]

one game that came to mind was kirby epic yarn

[tepid harbor]

Yea obviously it’s better

Sd865 I have to play with more settings and drivers feel more finicky

[steady mortar]

Really

[tepid harbor]

Also stuff like origami king doesn’t run the best (22-25 fps) because I have to disable NCE to get it to boot

Odin 2 lets it run 30

But overall rp5 is no slouch

It runs most things well

[novel crane]

Oh, im not downplay the RP5 at all

[tepid harbor]

Kirby return to dreamland for switch doesn’t work on rp5 but does on Odin 2. Both games have same graphical problems as echoes of wisdom

[steady mortar]

Oh the switch emulation

[tepid harbor]

But yea as citron gets better the gap will be smaller

[novel crane]

That thing will probably stay the King of the Midrange for a while

[tepid harbor]

It’s still not a large gap but it’s enough where you can see improvements

[novel crane]

Yeah yeah

[tepid harbor]

For stuff below switch I barely feel it if filling out 1080p is all u want

Odin 2 still isn’t great for switch and the high native input lag of Odin 2 mixed with the generally high input lag of yuzu is not a good combo

Rp5 much lower input lag makes it way more bearable

So playing like smash ultimate is still the better experience on rp5

But only when games run well

[warm current]

Has this been answered: do we know if the Classic will have a touchscreen?

[novel crane]

It likely will since it shares the same screen as the Ayaneo DMG

[novel crane]

Oh yeah, has Citron figured that out? The high input lag issue

[tepid harbor]

Not really but on rp5 the input lags mostly pretty bearable

I only notice it in smash ultimate but only cuz I have 5k hours

But the input lags nothing that bad I can still do some pretty frame precise shit

Just not native, which is funny cuz switch has bad native input lag too

Playing something like Celeste is way easier on rp5 than Odin 2

I ended up not using switch a lot for Odin 2 because of input lag, it’s better on the portal prollly

3ds emulation also has not the best input lag but it’s better than yuzu so far more tolerable on rp5

I also wish 3ds/switch had better sleep modes when running in the background on android. It’s not too bad at 1% per hour drain but on anything else for rp5 it’s like 1% per 8 hour drain so it’s the difference between lasting between multiple days and multiple weeks

Would be excellent to have fixed with the retroid pocket flip 2

[naive lantern]

Is the 2022 one the latest?

[steady mortar]

Yes

[novel crane]

Oh definitely better on the portal, especially with 120hz refresh

[tepid harbor]

For sure

But idk how to feel about buying something basically steam deck sized for android

[junior fox]

This right here

I got my Portal in hand, lolled at how fkn chonky it is, and sold it right away

nice piece of kit, 120hz oled is beatiful, but something that big for Android just aint happening for me

[delicate ermine]

steam deck sized is an overstatement tbh, like I would more compare it to an Switch in terms of overall size

like, not even close

[tepid harbor]

That looks bigger than a switch oled but smaller than a steam deck

It’s a lot thicker than a switch iirc

Can u show the graph between it and a switch?

[junior fox]

It's not as big as a Steam Deck, but it's for real not much bigger than an Ally X

[tepid harbor]

Yea

It was around ally sized

Not as heavy so prolly more portable

But what I was saying is it was basically around the size and basically the price of a pc handheld for far more limitations

U get better screen, temps, and battery obviously

But rp5 just screams more “emulation only”

With the ability to stream as a bonus

[delicate ermine]

it's literally 19mm difference

also Odin 2 Portal is 3mm thicker

tho the damn thing is way more comfortable

[scarlet meadow]

You can buy a handheld PC new for the same price as a portal ?
Last I checked it was around $300 even less if you got the EB IGG

[delicate ermine]

$400 for the Portal Pro, but yeah the lower RAM/ROM SKU was only like $319

but you can grab am used Deck for less

[nova skiff]

$319 retail price is reasonable for what it is

sure you can get a deck cheaper but it sure won't be the oled one lol

[scarlet meadow]

I always thought so even though I ended up canceling, couldn’t justify getting basically another Odin 2 just bigger with OLED

[delicate ermine]

it's $329 actually

[worldly spoke]

1080p oled screen, and much better battery life though but tbh it's still hard to justify

[terse zephyr]

wait just so im clear

there is a 6 button variant for the 6/128?

[wintry pecan]

the 4gb/64gb models only have saturn and dmg colorway
all colorway have the bigger size

[terse zephyr]

not just for the 4/64?

[terse zephyr]

do we know anything else about it

[terse zephyr]

like chip? i wasnt following it until i got disappointed by the flip2

[delicate ermine]

price and that the SoC is equivalent to the SD4Gen2

[wintry pecan]

we dunno SOC yet

^

[delicate ermine]

$114 for the 4/64
$124 for the 6/128

[wintry pecan]

easiest 10$ upsell ever

[delicate ermine]

also for reference, the SD4Gen2 is roughly the Snapdragon equivalent of the Helio G99

[terse zephyr]

source

and also.........i hate verticals

why do i want this 6 button thing

with no analog

how to play n64

[delicate ermine]

albeit we will get the actual SoC only when pre-orders go live, as they are still under an embargo - which is why we are speculating on the SD G1 Gen 1

[wintry pecan]

thats atheon, a mod in retroid

[terse zephyr]

but where the analog

WHERE THE ANALOG

WHERE

why you no give us analog haiyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[wintry pecan]

your 3 weeks late for this rant

[terse zephyr]

Does it matter

they gonna release withou it anways

[wintry pecan]

tru

[echo torrent]

never give up the analog hustle

they must be made aware

[scarlet meadow]

Can I ask what disappointed you about the Flip 2 , I still am too with Retroid giving us tiny Switch style analog sticks over Sliders ( yes Im a weirdo but realize that )

[modest mantle]

Steam deck so comfy tho. That and Linux out the box. Tho Linux on Odin 2 has got me excited

I dunno. I think most people just associate sliders with being a kid and gameboys

[tepid harbor]

actually its funny cuz i never found the deck to be very comfortable

rog ally and odin 2 are super comfy tho

[modest mantle]

But the flip 1 sliders were really nice

[tepid harbor]

deck i think its too big so it lowkey strains to play even on the lighter oled model

[modest mantle]

I guess I just never hold it up much while playing. It's always just in my lap

But the grips. Control placement. Stick placement. And touchpads whenever you have to venture into the desktop are just

That said I also have large hands. Its why the Odin 2 isn't as comfy for me. Even tho it's still more comfy then say the rp5

[summer marsh]

I sold mine only because it’s so big. It’s pretty comfy considering, I just prefer smaller handhelds.

Awesome device otherwise though and I’ll pick up a steam deck 2 if it’s slimmed down

[modest mantle]

Yeah. The couch experience is just A+ for me. I'll gladly take a flip 2 whenever I go somewhere

[novel crane]

That's kinda the Classic for me

I love my Odin 2, but it's definitely my "Play at home" device for when im not constantly on the move

Especially for the games I play on it

[modest mantle]

Yeah. I'm honestly a 4 device person. Deck for couch. Then I usually have a portable horizontal and vertical (flip 2 and probably Classic). And then I almost always have a micro (Pixel 2 right now) for those emergency situations

Like when I'm at the beach and am only rocking the speedo

[novel crane]

For me, I have a three system setup

DS/3DS for clamshell games, Odin 2 for high end, and RGB30 (soon to be Classic) for low end

[robust granite]

ngl, whoever designed the control layout for the deck needs to be slapped tbh lol.

[novel crane]

Tbh, I actually get the layout tho

[robust granite]

sticks are way too far inwards on the device tbh. and realistically the pads are kinda.....there I guess? but like. I dont see a realistic reason for them to be there. but valve has a hardon for touch controls.

like that nightmare of a device that was the steam controller lol.

[terse zephyr]

the entire layout of the controls

also no watermelon

[summer marsh]

You know how much shipping a watermelon with each device would cost?

[terse zephyr]

i demand my fruit with my device

[summer marsh]

Customs would have a field day with fresh fruit coming across the border

[scarlet meadow]

Perfectly understandable, color choices not so much personally but can agree with the first point

[terse zephyr]

haiyaa nephew customs why so stingy

you want fruit is it?

you take you take

[scarlet meadow]

Maybe they could hide the real shipments in actual watermelons too cut the tariffs some have to pay

[tepid harbor]

yea i prefer smaller handhelds for sure but every other pc handheld has shit battery life and no oled and no steamos

well a lot of them have tried to improve battery life like the ally X or they gave it oled

but its rarely a combo of the two

i'd get an ally x if it was oled

and depending on how good bazzite is

[tame raft]

The more I think about the six button variant the more tempted I am to sell my lower end Anbernics and get this as my ultimate N64 and below device.

[junior fox]

Ally X is goated

Would be awesome if it was oled, but it’s still pretty great

[naive lantern]

So I know what I would be getting myself into does anyone know what Retro Game corps meant by retroid pocket's "rocky releases"?

[terse zephyr]

its not

coz no analog

[tame raft]

They have had some issues in the past.
RP3 had alot of hardware issues which Retroid knew about before launch but they shipped anyway.
RP3+ was a big improvement on the rp3, but releases like three months later and gave everyone who bought a 3 major buyers remorse
RP4 and RP4 pro had big issues with the triggers at launch
RP Flip 1 had a bad hinge design in early versions
RP mini screen issues.

Usually retroid is pretty good about fixing devices after a month or two, but with all the issues you it is not typically recomended that you buy a retroid device on release.
Of course this recomendation to wait comes with the further issue that by the time Retroid has fixed issues with their devices they usually have a new device on the horizon

[ashen vault]

1. RP3+ was a dumpster fire as it released only 3 months after the RP3
2. RP Flip had massive hinge issues
3. RP2S launch went suprisingly smooth
4. RP4 / RP4Pro launch was plagued by green tint issues on the screen as well as breaking triggers and unoptimized fan curves
5. RP Mini besides the flawed screen had a totally wrong color sent out which later got fixed and refunded
6. RP 5 got a 2 week delay because of Android 13 complications

[wintry pecan]

the classic is a BRAND NEW never before seen SOC
not just brand new to handhelds, but it seems an actually new product from qualcomm

so theres that

[ashen vault]

I like how you didn't include the 2S, goated handheld, ngl

arguably retroid's best release

[tame raft]

I dont mind playing with a dpad, honestly if Anbernic or anyone made a rg40xxv with six face buttons, the same single stick, and a stronger processor that would be my endgame device for the medium end of emulation.

[terse zephyr]

how do you play the n64

if it needs both

[ashen vault]

just get the bundle, so if your classic breaks, you can still use your flip 2

[ashen vault]

you don't

[terse zephyr]

thats my point..............

[tame raft]

Yeah I was just listing troubled device launches, 2s was my first proper emu handheld that I got without any major hiccups (I tried ordering a rg280m from amzon twice and got a rg300, and rg350 but no 280m.)

[ashen vault]

that's such a good a handheld to start the hobby with

especially at the time is was such a good value

especially if you compared a to a 353m

[tame raft]

Were there any games on n64 where you needed both the stick and the dpad? And either way I know that you can set a hotkey to switch the dpad to act as either or, and in most games you dont need to switch too quickly.

[ashen vault]

that's right actually

you can go that route

not sure how fluid it would feel though

[surreal gyro]

How would you use both sticks and the dpad? 🤣

Oh NVM misread lol

Was like...what

[tame raft]

It really was the best device for a decent chunk of time, I played mine to death, beat metroid fusion, Rogue squadron, and played a decent chunk of windwaker on it.

[ashen vault]

and it was the first handheld ever with the improved HE sticks

many people somehow think Odin 2 did introduce them first

enough 2S glazing

where are real life pictures of the clurple

[summer marsh]

OLED is king

SteamOS too obviously 🙂

[candid jasper]

2, 4, and 5 are legitimate reasons to be concerned. 1 was shady but not a bad product. 6 is a nothing burger. Still 3 out of 6 isn't great

[candid jasper]

What hardware issues plagued the RP3? I don't remember that at all.

[merry mango]

I’m gonna get 6 button for sure. And if it feels awkward for normal games, I’ll get a dmg colorway

[summer marsh]

it's going to feel awkward

[merry mango]

So just order two right away then…..

6 button I’ll just use internal memory and only store fighting games

[summer marsh]

I'm just going to get 4 button since it can't run beetle saturn fullspeed (most likely)

so much better for ps1 and snes

oh god the Canadian dollar is awful right now, this is gonna cost me $200 with shipping lol

[merry mango]

Oh I know

I get 6 button now, then get classic sp

[modest mantle]

i feel like i want to order 2 right away, but i dunno, lol

[merry mango]

Are you getting flip2 too?

[modest mantle]

maybe, i dunno, onexsugar details drop monday as well, so i might sell a kidney and get that instead XD

[merry mango]

Every time you press start/select, you’ll be reminded it was made to be a 6 button from the beginning

What’s onexsugar…..

[summer marsh]

if that was true it would have a more powerful SoC 😉 6 button was clearly an afterthought

[modest mantle]

you don't wanna know

[late rock]

Oh yes you do

[merry mango]

It’s gonna be the CPS handheld

[modest mantle]

it's gonna cost a kidney tho

[summer marsh]

that's respectable

Street Fighter Alpha 2 the GOAT

[modest mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUlwVf8vjIk

[late rock]

The first Android dual screen handheld

[modest mantle]

just ignore the dude creeping on some girls halfway through

[late rock]

Oh yeah lmao I forgot about that

[merry mango]

I don’t play 3ds games

[modest mantle]

it's honestly the weirdest fucking video campaign, i mean not that it's actually OneX promoting it but...

dualscreens are great for many reasons, love my duo

[late rock]

In that case you're going to be saving a lot of money

[modest mantle]

use it more than most other things actually