Retroid Pocket Classic

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Would have been nice. But hopefully in the v2 there will be at least one option

But yeah. With a 4" screen it's not going to be a micro or anything. Feel like people will get it in hand and be like, yeah, they could have fit a little more

[stone ice]

crt-mattias.slangp

[obsidian roost]

hmmm looking at mattias ... exampes ,, i feel like that one darkens the screen too much to kill vibrand oled colours to ym liking

but i guess it does makes it closer to how things looked on CRTs

🤔

[summer marsh]

All CRT filters do this which is why HDR OLED with a lotta nits it ideal

[analog thunder]

Yeah I mean the whole point is that while CRTs are technically worse than modern screens in a lot of ways, they're still what these games were designed for so plenty of people think they look best on CRTs

This is the go-to example. Not sure what, if any, CRT filters actually do a good job at replicating this lol

[dawn wyvern]

with the whole RP mini shader thing, should i skip on the RP classic?

[obsidian roost]

classic is known screen

so you can check if the other devices that use it can do shaders

[dawn wyvern]

well i meant more so should i not buy it so i don't support them

[obsidian roost]

thats on you

[obsidian roost]

i guess i look for soemthing in between aka simple grid shader that doesnt hurt my eyes (Royale makes my exes weep for example) ... while keeping colours 😄

clossest to what i want seems to be crt-easymode .. from waht i tried so far

[obsidian roost]

yeah "lots of them are desihned to look like this" ... and yet i havent ever seen example shown this "looks best" not SoTN faces or sonic waterfalls 😄

also this image commparision is exacrly what i mean something as me needing something inbetween

the right image looks super ugly from close up ... but at the distance i actually play at its A OK ... while the left one makes my head spin on close up and from afar seems too blury and muddy colourwise

... but i do have the antinostalgia towards CRT screen (for the uggly sovietmade TVs i had and played NES on as a kid) ... so my that might be part of it too

i guess i will continue experimething across my devices to find something thats perfect for my mutant eyes

[eager rain]

If you find scanlines distracting but want the blending that pixel art is usually designed for maybe try some of the dithering shaders rather than crt ones

[obsidian roost]

now that i think of it i had similar issue with with Celeste ... when it made my eyes bleed while playing on big monitor ... while i finished it without a problem on my oLED deck

[languid bone]

Games back then was designed around those CRT technical imperfections to look cool, so there is no wonder why people want to recreate those OG feelings on modern hardware

[eager rain]

I mean that’s the entire point of emulation for many - to accurately play the games as they were in the 90s

And that includes a crt emulation

[obsidian roost]

i mean thats fien and all

but whats the point of emulating imperfection when it makes my eyes physically hurt unless i look at it from superspecific "disance from the scren"

[lunar pecan]

This is a really good comparison. Thank you

[eager rain]

It sounds like crt emulation is not suitable for you, which is fine. Nobody is going to break into your house and turn shaders on in your RA install

It doesn’t hurt my eyes at all

[obsidian roost]

i mean it is

easymone is kidna fine as its light and retains colours

[languid bone]

If your eyes physically hurt from modern lcd displays that means it's time to visit a doctor to get a treatment. Shaders is just one of ways to improve visuals or recreate some effects

[obsidian roost]

its not the lcd that hurt me ... its the way royale works that does it

make my head spin within secodns

[eager rain]

What screen are you trying to use royale on? That one is really designed for high res screens (one of the variants - I think the aperture grill one is ok at 1080p, the rest require 1440 or preferably 4K to not be worse than lighter weight shaders)

[obsidian roost]

i tried on rp5

but not sure if its the gril one 😄

[eager rain]

Probably too low res for that shader

[obsidian roost]

that could explain it i guess

weird that i have seen folks recommending it even for these handhelds id its intended for super high res

[eager rain]

It also is not that easy to run lol

Gonna cut battery life on many handhelds

[obsidian roost]

yup

[turbid haven]

nostalgia is a hell of a drug it seems

[unkempt frost]

I typically use Hylian NTSC

[eager rain]

I love it on my tablets though

[scarlet meadow]

So when can we expect more detailed info on this like CPU ?
I mean it would distract everything from the Mini drama at least fir a few days

[unkempt frost]

On my O2M, I use Hylian NTSC with mdapt prepended and it makes games look almost exactly like I remember.

[brittle tiger]

I think I’ve only seen people recommend specifically Royale for the Pimax Portal and for the bigger handheld pc’s with 1200p and above screens. Beyond that, it’s usually better to recommend the lighter stuff that was designed for 1080p.

[eager rain]

slaps roof of handheld yup, hylian is a solid mid tier crt shader

[obsidian roost]

i guess i should find better shaderexpert friends 😄

[unkempt frost]

Hell, even geom looks pretty darn good

[eager rain]

I like geom deluxe on OLED screens where I don’t see IPS glow in the corners but that shader is too beefy for most handhelds

I also find the fake curvature of geom slightly odd when my screen is moving around in my hands but I love it when it’s on a stationary screen on a table or whatever

Regular geom can even run on h700

But deluxe includes phosphor trail effects and all kinds of other gpu intensive stuff that I think really shines on super early 8 bit pixel art like NES games

And it’s still easier to run than megabezel with its raytraced dynamic crt bezel reflections, that’s basically “I now need a 4060 to play NES” territory lol

[novel crane]

I usual play with Geom, Royale, or Hylian

[obsidian roost]

looking at this comparision https://thingsiplay.game.blog/2022/03/08/crt-shader-showcase-for-retroarch/

easymode and guest looks closes to what i want

[novel crane]

Ah yes, the "I need to buy a 4060/9070 to play this" teir of shaders

I've been meaning to get to those on my mini PC

[eager rain]

Megabezel won’t run on my 5700u miniPC at full speed lol

Drops NES down to like 40fps

7840u could probably do it

[brittle tiger]

I’m personally a fan of just using the current emulator’s built-in color filter and “whatever dithering shader runs well on the device I’m using”, it’s simple enough and it lets me split the overall workload between the CPU and GPU (although this is mainly for chipsets like Mediatek which have good CPU’s and not-so-good GPU’s).

[unkempt frost]

It's amazing how well a simple dithering shader works. I like mdapt, but I also have that hankering for nostalgia so I usually couple it with a good CRT filter..

[unkempt frost]

They had a side-by-side comparison on a Zelda title and didn't have Hylian as one of the examples on that one

[obsidian roost]

that must be some hardcore combo

[eager rain]

Oh man it’s the first thing I did when I put an rtx4060 in my desktop

Luxury smb1 with megabezel and an 8bitdo arcade stick

[obsidian roost]

[eager rain]

You can make even 8 bit games hard to run if you’re hardcore enough, which is why I don’t believe sd865 would be overkill in the classic

It’s a 1080p screen that should be capable of relatively intensive slang shaders if it has a chip to match (not megabezel ofc)

[summer marsh]

I actually really like crt easy mode. It looks a little clean to be a crt but is lightweight and looks really good imo

If anyone is really into CRT shaders and has a 120hz+ tv or monitor I implore you to get an up to date version of retroarch and enable shader sub frames, then add crt beam simulator shader and append your favourite crt shader

Especially with hdr OLED is looks insanely good

It’s better then black frame insertion and makes the motion clarity look way better than usual

[eager rain]

is 120hz enough? I thought that beam sim required like 180+

I've been meaning to play with it buy I only have one 180hz monitor

my next best is 120hz on my ally X, macbook, or ipad.

[summer marsh]

120 is the minimum, which is all I have.

can definitely enable it in retroarch with 120

[eager rain]

ok cool

[summer marsh]

Not going to buy one but I’d love to see this on one of those crazy 480hz OLED monitors. Though I don’t think they are nearly as bright as this screen 1600 peak nits

[eager rain]

yeah, I wish those came in less wide aspects

[stone ice]

for me, i have zero nostalgia for the crt look, however flat raw pixels look disgusting most of the time

and crt shaders really make the artwork pop

[obsidian roost]

i guess depends of how dar i am from the screen 😄

[eager rain]

everybody likes different settings

like I hate upscaling low poly ps1 and psp games to high resolutions, makes them look like amateurish modern 3d stuff to me

I am on team accuracy with crt shader for ps1

psp I upscale to 2x but no further

I certainly don't do the geometry correction, I have strong nostalgia for those wobbly vertices on ps1 games

https://tenor.com/view/vagrant-story-square-enix-ashley-riot-gif-5270308563242242959

[stone ice]

i like 2 or 3x psp at most but with gpxp geometry correction and crt shaders

super sharp it does look weird

[eager rain]

I've never tried psp with a crt shader

obviously it wouldn't be 'accurate' but 1x psp with a crt shader should basically make it look like widescreen ps1 which might be cool

[stone ice]

sorry, not psp

ps1

[ashen vault]

[stone ice]

i do like crt shaders on some screens with handheld devices though

i have my 406v gba with crt shaders, and ds on my tablet iirc

[eager rain]

I'm a loss what to do with gba. It looks weird to have as aggro grid effects as I like with gbc to me

[stone ice]

sometimes lcd shaders aren't apparent enough or the pixels are way too big

[eager rain]

so a lot of the time gba is one system I do integer scale and raw pixels to make them look more like modern indies

[unkempt frost]

I have a lot of GBA nostalgia so I try to get the color "corrected" to the original garbage coloration and give it the proper LCD effects.

[stone ice]

i actually like gba without color correction to have the most saturated colors ever

yeah, crt-consumer on my rg406

sorry for the gba sp overlay on a 406, i forgot to edit it i guess lol

405v 💀

starting to get the names mixed up like an old man

[eager rain]

Oh I definitely do colour correction

GBA games are over saturated to hell to try and compensate for the terrible screen

[stone ice]

i like it though, it's a fun look

[modest mantle]

Eye searing fun

[analog thunder]

I started up mega man legends last night and I deffo think the crunchy low rez looks goes will with the crunchy low rez textures

[analog thunder]

Is this Vagrant Story? I love it

[eager rain]

Yup!

[dreamy hull]

Found a texture pack for that one

[halcyon palm]

I feel like early 3D games just didn't have enough there for upscaling to work well.
Both literally and in smart modelling techniques.

[analog thunder]

https://youtu.be/OyAsy_esrOY is it this? I'm not a fan of this personally, the chomky pixel textures are really charming

[delicate ermine]

Mega Man Legends my beloved, I never figured out what you were supposed to do in this game as a kid

[summer marsh]

absolutely, though there are some I don't mind upscaled I think the majority looks worse. Just because it's technically better doesn't mean it actually looks better.

Did you know that Ico for ps2 is actually 240p? Even though it began it's life as a ps1 game they kept the low res 240p on ps2 intentionally as an artistic choice.

240p looks great when even a ps2 game is created around it, it gives a really cool surreal look

[summer marsh]

yeah I would never slap a texture pack on megaman legends, the early 3d visuals have aged incredibly and look so cool (imo of course_

[pseudo dove]

Hope we get some sweet news about this tomorrow or this week at worst

[unkempt frost]

I don't know about PS1-era games with texture packs, but PS2-era games do tend to look much better with them.

[night crag]

i dont even have nostalgia for it, my first console was a ps2 but the wobble plus a shader at 1x rez makes me really enjoy ps1 games

newpixie is so far my favorite for 3d games and luckily comes with duckstation

i use gdv mini ultra (i think thats what its called) for 2d games on my phone or handheld

[main mason]

seems all the hype died and no new infos due to the RP mini situaiont 😦 And no Chris means no News. I feel sorry for all of us

[pseudo dove]

Let’s see this week

[void mortar]

David could always be the one sharing the device news instead maybe.
I think he's done so before?

[gusty socket]

I think they’re smart to take a break from the hype cycle to talk about the controversy. I bet they’ll go back to announcing specs and prices in a couple days

[merry mango]

they will increase the number of refunds, and increase the price of the flip2 and classic to offset

[novel crane]

Oh, they already announcement they're taking more refunds and reworking the Mini

[scarlet meadow]

Mini plus with DMG screen please

Where are they talking about the reworking ? Link

[pseudo dove]

Cool now can get on with the Classic.. give some info please

[scarlet meadow]

Not sure why they don't just use the DMG screen if they are doing a redesign anyway , would be quicker to the market and cost a lot less for a custom screen

[nocturne gazelle]

custom panels/partnership would be better for availability in the long run
Plus it doesnt limit them to just this device future devices would also benefit to not be beholden to currently available oled panels (which are extrememly limited outside of 21:9 cellphone panels)

[brittle tiger]

Makes sense if they want to use the screen for future devices, or even if they legit want to make it to the community’s desires (4:3 4” OLED with no resolution issues), especially since it would ensure they can actually have a full exclusive supply of it, given it’s a custom panel they’re ordering.

The trouble is the fact that it would be astronomically expensive and assuming it’ll get made requires assuming they can manage to get the funds for it.

[delicate ermine]

took out a loan for this, gotta be a cool million

honestly I think the Mini V2 will stick with us for a long while, because there isn't going much further than that, aside from a bigger panel

[dusty marsh]

b-b-but what about the hinge control?

[rough depot]

If they get the v2 mini screen to take up more of the device I’ll definitely consider.

[solemn sentinel]

Since they're developing their own, it's safe to assume it'll be bigger than the original Mini's

[rough depot]

Hope so. Makes me feel less bad about the classic being probably not ideal price wise

For it’s capabilities

Gonna keep following this until the SOC is confirmed

[ebon forum]

No 480i integer scaling

[pseudo dove]

Lack of pinned comments in here

How can add some for pics etc

[solemn sentinel]

Can OP pin stuff?

[lament cloud]

Have they confirmed this being android?

[eager rain]

no

but there's nothing to suggest it won't be

I'm hoping for 865 so people can choose an OS for themselves.

[warm comet]

I doubt it would be Linux only. All their recent handhelds were Android

But a Linux option would be nice, especially with this screen size and form factor

[unkempt frost]

https://tenor.com/view/just-kidding-jk-reaction-dodgeball-ben-stiller-gif-4385534

It'd go along nicely with the Classic, IMO

[warm comet]

@pseudo dove @solemn sentinel What do you want pinned

[solemn sentinel]

I was just asking because I genuinely didn't know lol

I wasn't thinking about asking for anything

But I'd say you should pin the colour options?

[pseudo dove]

I don’t know where the comments are but screen specs and colourways maybe

[solemn sentinel]

Searching for messages in threads is absolutely horrible but I'll see if I can find it

[pseudo dove]

Thanks

[warm comet]

[solemn sentinel]

Here

Or you could pin this

[merry mango]

ill take two, please

[merry mango]

6 button and dmg

[solemn sentinel]

Thanks Daddy Derek

[delicate ermine]

I'm debating between Teal, Kiwi and Berry...

[warm comet]

Kinda torn between DMG and atomic. Kiwi also looks cool.

[delicate ermine]

Saturn and DMG are out due to the grey bezel

[warm comet]

Eh DMG too boring.

[stone ice]

i think i will be getting a 406v after all, if the anniversary sales are as good as they look

[merry mango]

dmg is lyfe....

[stone ice]

so i wouldn't get this

[warm comet]

Oh good call

Actually I changed my mind. Kiwi berry and teal are all cool.

[delicate ermine]

wish there would be a black one, would make this easy for me 😂

[merry mango]

i think they all look great

[gusty socket]

At first I thought I’d get Teal but recently Berry has been calling my name

[stone ice]

gameboy no color

[delicate ermine]

I mean, pretty much all my OLED modded GBC are the original color back shell, but my first GBC mod is all black

well, decisions will be made after we have seen more than renders and know the SoC anyway

[eager rain]

I want the 6 button for the big 6 buttons but black bezel will be nicer with the oled...

[warm comet]

Get the atomic purple and spray the inside of the shell black…

[eager rain]

so I'm torn between classic 6 and kiwi

[delicate ermine]

if there would be an all black Saturn I wouldn't contemplate much if it had a SD865

it's kind of a shame there is no Dandelion color tho

like actually stupid considering how much nostalgia the yellow GB Pocket has and how this is similar boxy as that

[brittle tiger]

Personally, I’m torn on either the Saturn(for the 2 extra buttons being usable as function buttons), or the DMG to make the PSX themed Classic I initially wanted to make.

[delicate ermine]

PSX themed Classic would be nice, especially since this is having a Vita d-pad

[brittle tiger]

Exactly my logic.

[solemn sentinel]

Surprised at the lack of devices with colour schemes like the PSX

[delicate ermine]

probably due to them avoiding the PS face buttons like the plague, lol

[pseudo dove]

Kiwi one is very cool

Not thought about the bezel colour with oled screen, probably be one with black bezel

Shame no flat black case

[ornate sail]

Did somebody calculate the size of the Classic based on the screen size ?

[stone ice]

yeah

it's big

[tender socket]

So using the calculated dimensions and current photos I made a mockup, because I was more concerned about size and ergonomics than anything else

.

Only assuming a half-inch/~1cm thickness, and I didn't have anything to base the shoulder buttons off of

Lmk if y'all have any irl size comparison requests

[nocturne gazelle]

the start/select/menu placement looks even more cursed in extruded plastic
thanks I hate it

[tender socket]

The menu is pretty cursed, start/select are ehh

But overall it's surprisingly comfortable, definitely more comfortable than my Miyoo mini plus

[surreal gyro]

The nice thing about the placement of the start/select is using select for hotkey enable just rotate thumb. No moving your hand. It's a great spot.

It's right in line for the pivot

And close enough together to press both with your thumb exiting games easy.

[tender socket]

Someone said you might press them accidentally and I can confirm that no, you really shouldn't

Maybe if you buy the six-button and have enormous hands

The dpad and buttons are still higher than the MM+; it is a bit more comfortable "using" while it's resting in your palms

[delicate ermine]

it's actually a bit too small in this image, should be roughly the same size as the rg40xxv, like 91.5x140

also it will definitely not be half an inch thick, given the booty the thickest point may be even a full inch

pocket dmg is already 22.3mm

so overall if you have an rg40xxv expect that 😂

[tender socket]

That was the toughest part to ascertain, because we don't really have a good pic of it other than at that one angle

[tender socket]

Can confirm this screen is still 3.92" and the other elements were traced from the official pic

[delicate ermine]

well, given the thickness of the pocket dmg and rg40xxv, 22-23mm would be a more than reasonable guess, with potentially a thicker booty on the device, as it doesn't seems to be entirely flat there, tho also not too protruding

[wintry pecan]

yall can just measure the dpad

and scale from that

sec

[lunar pecan]

i want you so bad baby

[tender socket]

That's a good point, it should actually add to the comfort

[wintry pecan]

dpad on rpmini is 19mm across, dpad on gbc is 17 mm across

[delicate ermine]

you could print a backside to your mock-up and glue it on

[wintry pecan]

there ya go

[tender socket]

Thinking about it. I used some business cards on my desk to get to 23mm and it makes it even more comfortable

[delicate ermine]

honestly the only point I'm not too happy about is the lack of chin on this... could be a lil top heavy, but let's hope the overall form factor takes care of that

[tender socket]

I assume it'll be a decently beefy battery which should hopefully prevent that

[wintry pecan]

im hoping for at least 4k, if not 5k

[delicate ermine]

probably, still a rather low point to grab on the device

[wintry pecan]

it has more or less the same amount of chin as the brick, which i found acceptable

[delicate ermine]

well, we will see, let's hope for the best and a SD865 SKU 😂

[tender socket]

I'm mainly looking to play SNES at a near-perfect aspect ratio so I'm OK with a weaker chipset

If Retroid does a bundle where I can get this and the Flip 2 for $300 I'm in

[rough depot]

Would be absolutely floored if it was less than $350 tbh, but I guess we don’t have pricing on the flip 2 models

[tender socket]

The Mini was what, $189 at preorder?

I don't think it's impossible

[rough depot]

The flip will be like 240 at preorder I would guess, just due to the added complexity of the hinge

It’s basically an RP5 with extra sauce

[tender socket]

Is it the same RAM as the RP5?

[rough depot]

It is, but that’s not the cost driver here

The hinge is

So that would mean the Classic would have to be like 70-75 to make a bundle get below 300, assuming the bundle takes like $10 off each device like the mini and RP5 did

Which seems unrealistic to me, but we can hope

[delicate ermine]

depends on what SKUs he goes for

D1100 Flip + D900 Classic may work out for $300

[tender socket]

This is what I had in mind when I said that price

I wouldn't be surprised if both of the spring releases get delayed by a few weeks because of the whole Mini debacle

The screens are going to go through like 10,000 benchmarks and stress tests because some people on the Internet thought that a 1px error on a 3.7" display is a human rights violation

[delicate ermine]

doubt it, it's nothing they could change anyway and those are plain old regular phone screens that will show no weird behavior

also the Flip 2 screen is the same as the RP5, so what should go wrong there

while the Classic one is from the LG Wing and has been used in the Pocket DMG already, so also no reason for concern here

the whole "we gonna make our own panel" endeavor is only due to the lack of existing 4:3 panels they can use anyway and will also prevent further weird finds like the 3.7" one in the Mini

[lost salmon]

I don't think anyone buyed the first retroid pocket because it was more a portable handheld of pandorabox and it was more a pandemic time pleasure than a retro handheld experience

[astral holly]

I still use my og retroid pocket as a glove box handheld if they remade that design with a better dpad and analog stick it would be awesome

I actually like the flat buttons somewhat

[wintry pecan]

one other observation, the buttons on the 4 button and the big buttons on the saturn are the same size

they only look bigger on the saturn because of the hard edge and concave shape

[delicate ermine]

btw @wintry pecan seen any black Classic 6 mock-ups around?

[wintry pecan]

nah, but, just dye one?

[delicate ermine]

better ask first, before I make a bad mock-up

perfections (jk)

[eager rain]

I'd buy this. retroid are the only company to make non-smudgy black plastic

well, and the steam deck/ally X but I don't think those count

[delicate ermine]

I mean honestly, I would prefer this to be completely black like the RP5, but just filling everything out with the same black color is shit for visibility

tho I will argue that the screen bezel being glossy black kinda would go well with an black Classic 6, throwback to the Saturn controllers middle part IMO

[wild beacon]

it is a bit odd that they omitted black entirely

it's not the most fun color, but it can work well on a vertical

[lost salmon]

as there is no black or dark gray color I will not buy it

[summer marsh]

sd865 or the pitchforks are coming out again 😇

[delicate ermine]

my paint skillz know no limit

[simple grove]

🥺 really want black now

[delicate ermine]

convince Retroid, not me, I always wanted a black Classic 6, especially as a handheld kinda leans into the whole controller design by default if it has a glossy black bezel

and with the tiny red accent whomever feels the need to think of it as a MegaDrive can do so to

[lost salmon]

of course, I wanted that color skin

[naive lantern]

Any idea of the price?

[delicate ermine]

we don't know the SoC yet, but guessing, D900 - $119, SD865 - $169

this isn't getting better with my mad paint skillz anymore, but I really want a black one

[rare pumice]

its mostly a pass for me, just the limit factor of no joycon, joysticks ect. if the price is over $100 its will be a very hard pass for me. I'll just wait for the Sept/Oct next device.

[modest mantle]

It's got some booty so should be alright

[summer marsh]

I’ll admit I wasn’t even thinking about a black colourway but I’d love it. Though the x y z buttons and dpad should be darker to match a black Saturn pad 😉 with the triggers being dark grey

I sold my white Saturn and kept the black one and have matching controllers and peripherals for it. One of the best looking consoles of all time.

[dusty marsh]

Not having a black option killer it for me. Sad.

[rare pumice]

I agree, I like my handhelds to match my soul.

https://tenor.com/view/horror-scary-frightened-grim-reaper-the-grim-reaper-gif-3562976

Just a joke

[frank plinth]

Lack of solid purple/indigo is what gets me.

As someone who fondly lived through the GBC era, none of the Classic colors are drawing me in.

[surreal gyro]

I'll be happy to buy a 2nd batch transparent purple from marketplace 😅

[rough depot]

HUH

[wintry pecan]

they didnt give us the SOC

[rough depot]

Qualcomm 4nm is a different chip than we have seen right?

[rough depot]

8 gen 3 is a 4nm chip

[eager rain]

4gb ram. This chip is something newish but low end

[nova skiff]

the drip feed continues

[rough depot]

LPDDR4x

[nova skiff]

turnaround was quicker than I expected

[rough depot]

I wish they would just freaking tell us, what's the point

they know

6 gen 3 uses LPDDR4x

[rough depot]

also interested to see if the 26mm thickness is at the screen or the bump

hopefully the bump

[wintry pecan]

its been at the thickest part for the past few devices

[vestal thunder]

So be cheap then

[sharp tiger]

Moderately cheap... Entry level!

[high hemlock]

For something this low end it's gotta be cheap lol.

The only selling point is the screen, I guess.

[summer marsh]

well shit, RIP Saturn homies it was good while it lasted

[high hemlock]

Might as well get a Brick instead

[summer marsh]

is it really THAT low end

oled is still super nice

if it doesn't play Beetle Saturn well I'll still consider a 4 button one

[karmic beacon]

well no, but the brick might as well be half the price

[high hemlock]

I mean, it most likely will perform better than the A133p, but without sticks you won't be playing much on it outside of what the A133p can already play without issues anyway.

[nova skiff]

nooo I don't want another rg arc

[summer marsh]

yeah I guess I was hoping for something more powerful, a premium retro handheld experience even if it couldn't play saturn well

[nova skiff]

another handheld that looks like it should play a system well but doesn't have the performance

[summer marsh]

brick is a great budget handheld but it's like bottom of the barrel emulation quality

whoops sorry didn't mean to reply to you with that comment

[karmic beacon]

I doubt the Retroid Pocket Classic will be THAT underpowered

The snapdragon 4 series is still pretty powerful

[nova skiff]

powerful enough for beetle core?

[wild beacon]

6 face button handheld that plays Saturn well can never be made

it is a curse that will never be broken

[karmic beacon]

No idea

But I have a Snapdragon 480 phone, that thing could probably do B tier GC

[karmic beacon]

And 3/4th of them run an Actions SOC

[wintry pecan]

my phone from 9 years ago can nearly do gamecube so.....

it was a SD 835 i just checked(my phone, not the classic)

[karmic beacon]

Any CPU past the 5G area will at worst get 200k from antutu iirc

[brittle tiger]

In case anyone’s wondering, me and @eager rain already narrowed it down to potentially being a Snapdragon 4 Gen 2 (4nm Qualcomm with the correct ram speed) so it’s gonna be actually potentially budget, on top of also being efficient in power draw.

So that with the 5000mAh battery means this is looking to be pretty damn good in battery life.

[delicate ermine]

it's a Snapdragon 4 gen 2, it's a 4nm SoC and the RAM speed matches

it's basically a Helio G99

[novel crane]

Just woke up. What happened

[high hemlock]

I would guess that performance-wise it would probably be wonderful for anything N64/DC/PSP. But the lack of sticks......

[nova skiff]

aw man it's yaba sanshiro tier

[summer marsh]

dc is great, so many amazing fighters and arcade games

dead or alive 2 lets go

[high hemlock]

Would rather see a true RP2S sequel with this chip, tbh.

[brittle tiger]

It truly is a darn shame…welp, who’s up for 8:7 SNES and Gameboy.

[summer marsh]

depends on the price now

[nova skiff]

and the screen

[summer marsh]

if it could run beetle saturn my wallet was wide open lol

[delicate ermine]

you can play a lot of GCN too, like heck Helio G99 can do a fair bit of 2x GCN even, and this has better drivers

also I call $99 on this

anything more and it would be a hard sell

[reef magnet]

they really made a vertical saturn only console lol

[summer marsh]

saturn only? more like barely saturn capable

[nova skiff]

couldn't expect much out of something without analog input in the first place

[summer marsh]

can Helio G99 run linux?

[brittle tiger]

I’m actually pretty excited for this with the DMG colorway. It’s looking to potentially be a pretty nice handheld in terms of battery life and budget performance.

[wild beacon]

damn y'all work fast

[brittle tiger]

Not the Helio G99, but a 4Gen2 potentially might get a Linux build if they’re open to doing it.

[novel crane]

Tbh, I think this might be what im looking for

The middle child to me Odin 2 and my 3ds

[summer marsh]

yeah I think this is a good take, I think this thing could still be very good even if it's not what I wanted

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, the moment this thing didn’t have a stick and I realized the hopelessness for my grip with sticks idea, I was hoping for only like this level of performance and budget just to keep the price low enough, with the efficiency being a really nice bonus.

[distant widget]

Plenty of chips that meet the revealed specs actually, but for a budget one 4 gen 2 is dexent

[brittle tiger]

Well, we limited it to Snapdragon stuff since it said Qualcomm 4nm.

[regal hawk]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-4-Gen-2-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.855454.0.html

[novel crane]

It could be a 6 gen 1 too

[brittle tiger]

And only the 4Gen2 matches the listed ram speed and the 4nm description.

[distant widget]

Yes， even among Qualcomm there are plenty

[brittle tiger]

What’s the ram speed on the 6 gen 1?

[regal hawk]

Wifi 5 is the kicker.

[brittle tiger]

Which options? I couldn’t find anything else in my searches with all the same specs at once, most usually had at least 1 deviation that ruined it.

[regal hawk]

6 gen 1 has wifi 6E

[brittle tiger]

Honestly, even the 4 Gen 2 doesn’t match it perfectly, since it supports 5.1 Bluetooth, but it’s mostly dependent on the actual WiFi module used in the device.

[novel crane]

Actually the 4 gen 2 has higher ram speeds

[eager rain]

ps1 could fill 64gb pretty fast but you also can always just buy a microSD lol

[novel crane]

Than the 6 gen 1

[distant widget]

7s gen 3, 7s gen 2, 7 gen 3, 6 gen 4, , 6 gen 3 are all 4nm chips that can work with lpddr5 or lpddr4x 2133

[eager rain]

4sg2 I think might be what we're looking at

[wintry pecan]

yeah at that point your trying ti fill it tho, instead of just have the best games 😄

[eager rain]

I mean multi disc PS1 games can be like 2gb

single disc ones up to 700mb

[wintry pecan]

mmm imagine some legend of dragoon on this

[summer marsh]

well my minui installs have a nice list of ps1 games and a ton of other stuff at 64gb

though why wouldn't you use an sd card

[brittle tiger]

What? No the 6 gen 1 has 2750MHz max, and the 4 gen 2 only has 2133MHz as its max.

[wintry pecan]

my point was dont complain the onboard storage is small, its big enough for most people, otherwise get an SD card

no sticks means no giant stick games

[brittle tiger]

…Yeah, I’m not looking at those, they’re regularly wrong.

[brittle tiger]

I got the 2133MHz ram speed directly from Qualcomm.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/mobile/snapdragon/smartphones/snapdragon-4-series-mobile-platforms/snapdragon-4-gen-2-mobile-platform

[brittle tiger]

…Which also lists 3200?

[regal hawk]

Does android 14 support filter it down?

[brittle tiger]

What? I literally just looked at it a minute before now and it said 2133?

[nova skiff]

[distant widget]

4 gen 2 can work with both lpddr4x 2133 and ddr5 3200. Many of the chips do that, including those I listed above

[novel crane]

And even then, you won't need more than a 256gb card if you include stuff like rom hacks and such

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, I figured it out when I looked more carefully and found the listed ram speed for lpddr4x specifically.

[gentle acorn]

A14 is crazy

[brittle tiger]

Hmm, I doubt they’d be using 7 series chips, but I suppose the 6 gen 4 and 3 are a potential possibility now that you mention it.

[brittle tiger]

We were mostly talking about 4 gen 2 and 6 Gen 1 in the Retroid discord, but I guess they could go for those 2 instead?

Although it would still make more sense to go for the budget friendly 4 Gen 2 just to save money on manufacturing and to make the official cost lower.

[summer marsh]

that makes sense, and this is probably a cope but why would they make the saturn model if they were going super low budget? seems like a strange oversight

[brittle tiger]

But yeah, it’s likely not as clear cut as we were hoping.

[novel crane]

Unless they pulled an AYN and got a deal on the 6 gen 3s or 4s

Which would be insane

[nova skiff]

$100 sd8g2s incoming

[distant widget]

Or maybe they got the snapdragons through AYN relation in the first place
Weren't there rumors when they first used the 865

[gentle acorn]

Why put 4gb of ram

Shouldve increased it to 6

😟

[nova skiff]

realistically you're not playing anything on this that would need more than 4gb of ram anyway

[gentle acorn]

True

[novel crane]

You really don't need all that ram for anything past what's possible

[brittle tiger]

The main thing I’m thinking is the fact that the 4 gen 2 is really power efficient on top of being around G99 performance, as well as being budget.

[karmic beacon]

and how the fuck does a company like ayn get snapdragon chips for cheap as a new company

[distant widget]

What is the chance of them releasing a rp3s or similar with the exact same specs of this classic....

More interested in a horizontal with this screen, will regret it if I got this and they announce a horizontal 😭

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, this device already doesn’t have analog sticks to begin with, it’s not gonna need 4GB for PS1 or the saturn games that it can play.

[gentle acorn]

Another thing is that half of the ram is going to eaten by the OS

[brittle tiger]

And of course, if this thing does get linux, that would hopefully be enough to get way more accurate full speed saturn emulation than what’s possible on G99 power.

[summer marsh]

full speed beetle saturn? or yaba sanshiro 🤮

[novel crane]

Connections

[brittle tiger]

I said accurate.

[novel crane]

Also, the 4g2 should be decently powerful enough to run some of the more hungrier shaders, but not like

The demonically hungry one

[brittle tiger]

Like, obviously Linux isn’t a miracle worker so it’s not gonna magically make all Saturn playable at full speed and good accuracy, but it could still be enough for almost all 2D Saturn games and a good amount of 3d Saturn.

[delicate ermine]

could also be the SD4sGen2, lil less performant, but heck, should be fine

[summer marsh]

yeah I'm not really interested in 'okay' saturn emulation. If I get this I will get the 4 button one and enjoy snes, neogeo and ps1 on a beautiful oled screen

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, it really would just depend on if they plan to support Linux.

[novel crane]

It came in 2023, so it has a decent chance of being linux compatible

Mid 2023

[brittle tiger]

Beyond that? The 6 buttons would still be great for Genesis and for hotkeys, but the 4 buttons would be more than fine with Android only.

[distant widget]

4 gen or 6 gen or even 7 gen chips usually come with underpowered GPU compared to the cpu, which would help to keep cost low yet meet beetle needs?

[novel crane]

Hmm

I can see it

We'll have to see

[brittle tiger]

4 Gen 2 is also really efficient for its price and performance tier, so it plus that 5000mAh will potentially give us really good battery life.

[steady mortar]

Crazy hourssss

[brittle tiger]

As what was stated multiple times beforehand…by me…

[ashen vault]

it's oled and has a 5000mAh battery, cross out the ''potentially''

not like people are even gonna use the fan on this thing

[summer marsh]

nice, well thanks for the info RNS. I'm surprisingly okay with the saturn let down and still excited for this. also helps that it might be a lot cheaper than expected lol

[brittle tiger]

Well, never say never

…nah, it’s totally gonna be way good, probably a good bit better than most other Android-only handhelds currently available

[steady mortar]

I'm seeing this money but again not pre order

[distant widget]

For Saturn, wait for arc 2 prefer a dish dpad for that

[eager rain]

I use an 8bitdo m30 with my ipad for beetle saturn atm so I think a budget snapdragon isn't a dealbreaker but will push me to my childhood kiwi colourway rather than the classic 6

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, I’m still waiting for confirmation from devs about it being great before ordering it.

[novel crane]

Yeah no, this is gonna be a battery monster, especially for the lightweight machines your going to play on this

[summer marsh]

arc 2 will be a yaba sanshiro beast 🙈

[brittle tiger]

Like, I’ll keep my finger on the trigger, but I’m not pulling, or even turning the safety off, until Gamma or someone else lets me know it’s fine, like with the Zero 28.

[novel crane]

OLED + 5000mah + most of the systems like SNES/GB/Genesis barely taking battery

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[ashen vault]

it will be the perfect handheld for many people

''the not so analogue pocket''

[summer marsh]

heard this before...so many times lol. but I think you have a point

[ashen vault]

especially the classix version

because pocket classic and six buttons, understand?

[brittle tiger]

Yup, it’s already quickly gone back to potentially being the perfect vertical for me.

Now all I need is confirmation on it being that perfect vertical.

[ashen vault]

it's like tailored to a very specific niche of people that gonna be very happy

[novel crane]

Its basically the Analogue Pocket I always wanted, except not costing hell on earth

[ashen vault]

AP with retro achievements and fast forwarding

[summer marsh]

this will be a nice ps1 jrpg machine for sure

[ashen vault]

which color would you get as a ps1 jrpg enjoyer

[novel crane]

Im getting the Berry or Teal hands down

[summer marsh]

I don't know yet, I was a typical man with a 1 track mind staring down that saturn edition all week

yeah teal is up there for me for sure

[ashen vault]

sounds nice

[rose dove]

Kiwi is clearly the best looking of the bunch

[ashen vault]

I feel no pressure to pre order this time

[wintry pecan]

i need the purple to match my OG gbc

[ashen vault]

so I will wait for reviews and real life footage

[summer marsh]

need to see actual pics because yeah I had an og atomic purple gb and have huge nostalgia for it

[ashen vault]

especially purple will look much different irl since its transparent

[novel crane]

I've always have been a "wait for reviews and people" type person

[summer marsh]

the pics make the purple look kind of cheap or something like it's from an r36s or something 😱

[rose dove]

Hey! I love my purple r36

[merry mango]

I was already happy with the idea of a rg35xx+ with oled lol. I’ll be happy with this

[ashen vault]

I feel like it's the buttons, their arrangement and the poor printing that make the r36s look cheap

the plastic itself looks alright

[merry mango]

6 button for CPS let’s gooo

[novel crane]

Ngl... I dont HATE the yellow, but idk

[ashen vault]

like why do start select and function button always have to look like a face

[summer marsh]

sorry everyone, I have not seen an r36s in person and meant no harm with my ignorant, offhand comment

[summer marsh]

pareidolia

[delicate ermine]

4sGen2 is 2024 even

[novel crane]

These three are just better

[ashen vault]

no I am sorry, you can sh!t on the r36s and it's clones as much as you want

[wintry pecan]

well the og gbc in atomic purple has a white pcb, this has black, so thats def messing with perception somewhat

[merry mango]

Watch it still be $200 to offset future retroid errors

[summer marsh]

gotta pay that mortgage down

[summer marsh]

teal, I am gravitating towards teal

[delicate ermine]

definitely, still look kinda wrong to me tbh, gotta see real world pictures

[delicate ermine]

if it's any more than $109 they can just keep it

[brittle tiger]

God, I didn’t even think of Arcade yet. Those would absolutely be completely fine on here.

Yeah, ok this is looking to legit be “the one” for me in terms of budget verticals.

[nova skiff]

hold on a sec

g99 has a76 cores while sd4g2 has a78 cores

[merry mango]

If it’s $109 I’ll buy two!

[nova skiff]

performance cores two gens ahead could be the difference between beetle and yaba sanshiro

[modest mantle]

Oooo. Wonder if it's an S series

[summer marsh]

not sure I'd get the 6 button just for cps2 or neogeo tbh as tempting as itt would be. not worth sacrificing ps1/snes playability for me personally with low end chip

[brittle tiger]

That’s actually pretty true!

[merry mango]

…that’s why you buy two!

[distant widget]

A78 is around 20-30% faster than a76, if everything else is equal

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, ok this might legit be beetle territory for Android if they optimize it well enough.

[late rock]

How much you guys thinking for the price, gotta be less than $150 right

[delicate ermine]

I mean, try your worst, but I wouldn't expect much Beetle here

[merry mango]

I hope Russ suggest to them it should be $120 or less

[eager rain]

neogeo doesn't use 6 buttons

[late rock]

I think Russ should start a hostile takeover

[eager rain]

just ABCD

[modest mantle]

Didn't mean S. Meant 6 series

I know they're dropping a new one. 4nm

[eager rain]

the 8bitdo neogeocd pad added L and R but they aren't there on the original controller

[novel crane]

Something i had remind myself is that synthetic benchmarks =/= real world performance

[nova skiff]

a more comparable chip would be d900

[summer marsh]

yeah I know, some people still prefer it for the fighting games

[modest mantle]

Or would brand new 6 be too expensive. Guess older 4 would make more sense

[nova skiff]

rp4 base aside since no one bought that, has anyone tried saturn on odin lite?

[merry mango]

For 6 button on neogeo I like to use C=A+B
Z=X+Y

https://tenor.com/view/terry-bogard-gif-19557841

[summer marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/kaede-the-last-blade-snk-awakened-kaede-the-last-blade-2-gif-18346777374117694962

[merry mango]

Overlooked gem

[delicate ermine]

while I agree on that, I don't think this will run the entire Saturn library in Beetle at all, but it would be nice if I am wrong

[novel crane]

I wasn't gonna say that lol, but I do thinking a good chunk of Saturn will be a nice sight to see

[brittle tiger]

Oh it doesn’t have to run the entire library for me. It just needs to run almost all the 2d stuff and a good amount of the 3d stuff.

[merry mango]

Can’t wait for neo turf masters on oled 🤣

[nova skiff]

iirc there was one infamously difficult to emulate saturn game. either die hard arcade or burning rangers

[summer marsh]

I'll settle for Guardian Heroes on my 4 button model now lol

[nova skiff]

I can do without those if it can handle the rest

[delicate ermine]

I think we are a good chunk in performance away from that, but knock yourself out if you can

[late rock]

Okay so what are the actual differences between yaba and beetle

[brittle tiger]

Yaba runs fast on much weaker hardware, but is really inaccurate for emulation.

Beetle is way more accurate, but is a good bit more demanding.

[late rock]

So would more accurate emulation result in less visual artifacting?

[brittle tiger]

Yup, think of Yaba as being to Saturn what Rice is to N64.

[nova skiff]

or gpsp to GBA

[summer marsh]

beetle actually looks like playing on a real saturn, it's very accurate. it does come at the cost of a little input lag, though it's head and shoulders above yaba which is basically the saturn equivalent of the rice n64 plugin lol

though some people who prefer upscaling gravitate towards yaba as you actually can't do it in beetle saturn.

as someone who has a saturn sitting next to me I can't stand yaba, it just does not feel right at all. but I'm more of a purist than most here

[late rock]

I'm not too familiar with the different cores of retroarch tbh, I've only recently got into this hobby

[nova skiff]

btw I have no hate at all for yaba, it made saturn possible on my RP2+

[merry mango]

I think my favorite RPClassic game for the first month will be…. scraping

[summer marsh]

lmao. so glad I don't give af about scraping

[nova skiff]

scrape in advance

[novel crane]

Welp, you have done me well RGB30, but if this is good

[merry mango]

Oh since it won’t be so powerful I won’t have to worry about bigger games. A 512 sd card should be good enough

[novel crane]

Tbh

256 is more than enough

[summer marsh]

I'm pretty sure he's joking but it still mildly triggered me haha

[merry mango]

The scrape data is more than the roms lol

[novel crane]

True xD

[delicate ermine]

this won't even get to see PS1 games, internal storage it is

[nova skiff]

I'd only worry about a card that big if I were scraping 3000+ games

[brittle tiger]

Honestly yeah. Unless they have Linux support for Portmaster, I’d only say around that much is needed. And even then, you’re already gonna need a new sd card for Linux.

[summer marsh]

wdym, Lara Croft's triangles are going to look great on this

[merry mango]

I’ve never seen that emoji before

[delicate ermine]

I mean, while the PS1 is technically not a 3D system, using a stick is still more comfortable for me, so I will just use a device with sticks...

[brittle tiger]

Then why do you have it?

[merry mango]

I searched for the eggplant and I saw that one

[brittle tiger]

Fair enough.

[summer marsh]

ah fair enough I didn't consider that, for me ps1 is dpad only system

[merry mango]

I remember buying the dual shock together with Xenogears. It didn’t support the sticks lol

[delicate ermine]

I mean, depends on the game, Alundra with sticks would be an atrocity, but Tomb Raider? nah not gonna use the d-pad for that 😂

[summer marsh]

I owned xstation modded ps1 which was not cheap and I only own ps1 digital pad. it's so light and comfy 🥰

[merry mango]

Have you played Alundra 2?

[summer marsh]

tomb raider 1 and 2 don't support analog. the tank controls absolutely are made for dpad.

even in the new remasters which I've played a ton of I'm dpad only

[delicate ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-shhh-shut-i-up-silence-dont-speak-gif-9880623

[merry mango]

I’ve always written alundra 2 off. But I gave it a chance the other day and it wasn’t as terrible as I thought it would’ve been

But it’s really showing its age compared to Alundra 1

[delicate ermine]

I never said it's made for sticks, a lot of PS1 games don't even support them, but ehhhh, still not gonna d-pad those

[brittle tiger]

Yeah, tank controls were not designed around analog controls.

I tried playing RE and Silent Hill using stick when I had the RG405M and it was…certainly something.

[delicate ermine]

maybe not terrible, but ehhh it's not great either

[merry mango]

Not great. Just not as terrible as I thought it would be lol

At the same time I didn’t continue playing it

Just finished the suikoden 1 remaster. I forget how good it is cause suikoden 2 is always the one being brought up

[delicate ermine]

I have it actually on the shelf somewhere, totally killed the series before it took of, which isn't surprising given that it came out after OoT

[merry mango]

Anbernic so quiet right now. What are the chances of them getting their hands on this same oled display?

Or did they have a bad experience with oleds cause of the rg556?

[full vortex]

anbernic is just MIA

[summer marsh]

I respect it, everyone wanted to make fun of the monthly h700 devices. feels like they are taking their time cooking up something interesting so people will pay attention.

[blissful reef]

Wish Anbernic would at least put out some fresh colors of the SP or 34XX, but if they make an Arc+, I need them to announce it before these preorders lmao

[merry mango]

i want sp with this oled

[summer marsh]

Time to admit we lost Saturn homies, Segata Sanshiro is dead 😭

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[eager rain]

Kiwi time

[junior fox]

What a laugh

[blissful reef]

I gotta just look into how much plays on the Arc at this point, i just like to dream

[brittle tiger]

I’m deciding to say fuck it and get the DMG for a PSX themed build, unless Sakura is planning on making Sega Saturn buttons with the text on them, or for maybe if they can do PSX buttons for 6-button by having the C/Z buttons colored the same as the shell to blend in.

[junior fox]

Probably just cop the teal joint, I guess

[brittle tiger]

Still not pre-ordering, but I’m getting my decision ready.

[junior fox]

GB with a top shelf screen it is, I guess

[blissful reef]

As long as the build and software is good, I do appreciate seeing this screen outside of the DMG that Ayaneo put out

[summer marsh]

I'm going to burn in this OLED playing triple triad in FF VIII

[junior fox]

Version with one stick and a stronger chip next year

[blissful reef]

Screen gives 3.4” 5x integer of GBA, if you dont mind bars

If you do, you can just stretch to fill

[gusty socket]

I can’t help it, for some reason the specs are making me hyped again

[rare pumice]

this seems over kill for a low end games device, it seems very $100+. plus no tv out, there goes the dock theory. it feels like collectors only handheld.

[deep rune]

idk with an oled display id rarely use video out

[bright plinth]

Ahh, you're forgetting it's Android.
That explains the extra 3gb of RAM 😉

[rough depot]

I mean it definitely is overkill, but it's also a beautiful screen by all accounts

And that's important to a lot of people

And there are people who will pay $90 for an anbernic so it's gonna have a market

[rare pumice]

some said since it doesn't have a joystick, joycon, ect. to play higher end games just put it on the dock and use a Bluetooth controller. that why I said the dock theory was out.

do you really need snes mario in 6X native?

[pseudo dove]

This sounds noice! Chances of seeing Linux on it down the road?

[rough depot]

We know nothing about the chips Linux capabilities

We don't even actually know the chip yet lol

[pseudo dove]

Haha true

[rough depot]

Info has actually been flowing though so maybe in the next few days we know more

[deep rune]

it doesnt have to play everything tho. and thats the pit fall a lot of budget vertical handhelds fall into bc it tries to do everything

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Seems pretty consistent in dropped info

Maybe in order to distract from other things.,.

[modest mantle]

Barely any play everything 😆. Think most people were just looking for some things

[deep rune]

barely scratching the 10k games they just downloaded

[modest mantle]

Active cooling maybe meant some stuff that'd be fun to play with a stick

[modest mantle]

Ah. That makes sense

But yeah. It does seem to be falling into some weird niche

A strong chip and stick and I might have considered flip 2 prices for it

Sure as hell beats paying for an ayaneo

Might have actually gotten more mileage out of it then the flip. And you wouldn't have to worry about hingegate 2.0

[rough depot]

I still feel like it's weird, like I want to be excited about it but I know it's just going to be more expensive than I hope because it has power it doesn't really need that much

The shaders it can use will be what that power is for I guess, I'm just not a shader guy

[deep rune]

would u rather have over powered or underpowered?

[modest mantle]

Yeah. In the same boat. If screens are your thing this will def be the best option out there tho

Well. Are we including price in that choice?

If overpowered cost the same I'd always take overpowered

[rough depot]

For this screen ratio it doesn't really feel like it needs the power

Imo

It's weird for 4:3

[deep rune]

okay what about shaders?

[rough depot]

Again I'm not a shader guy

[deep rune]

the really heavy duty ones

[rough depot]

So

[deep rune]

then its not for you?

[rough depot]

I guess not

[modest mantle]

I think the mini fiasco has convinced everyone that everyone else shades. Heh

[rough depot]

I guarantee the shader crowd is like 5 percent of the hobby though

[deep rune]

if you want the classic to be super cheap and underpowered... that exists

[rough depot]

It doesn't but aight

[modest mantle]

Probably accurate. That's why every post about shadegate the top comments are like "whose gonna sell me their mini for cheap"

[rough depot]

No one I know irl that has one of these uses shaders

[rare pumice]

I just hope they ship it with some rubber duckies, cause it feels like they will take a bath with this one.

[rough depot]

But they're out there so it's not for no one

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Some people will get great value out of it for sure

Id maybe consider selling my multiple mini and mini+ for one. But Im def not feeling all that much fomo

[quasi flint]

No video out? NO VIDEO OUT?

[rough depot]

Can't let you get one just to not use the beautiful screen

[quasi flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-sol-cry-gif-17625942964256843614

[modest mantle]

It's sad it's got me looking at the DMG again. Lol

[rough depot]

Right? I thought I put it to rest months ago but it's just calling to me like the green goblin mask

"you know you want to have a vertical with very few compromises, your wallet doesn't need to know"

[inland frost]

Is the back of the rpclassic flat enough for a magsafe ring to fit behind it, with no weird symmetrical problems when sticking something behind it?

[rough depot]

It doesn't look very flat on the back there, more like the rounded look of the Gameboy color

[late rock]

Are you planning to attach a controller to it

[modest mantle]

lol

bennie gonna sell yah

[inland frost]

Wait is this real..?

[rough depot]

Its as real as any of this is

[inland frost]

maybe

[rough depot]

That's a retroid image so

[late rock]

Real recognizes real

[modest mantle]

i get the BT is there for headphones i'm guessing, but being able to dock w/ a controller would have been nice

maybe video out through USB-C? or is that not really a thing on these?

[inland frost]

Just wondering if it was or not, are they not using the 865 or...

Also wait 5000mah BATTERY?! that's bigger than the mini!

[rare pumice]

see for yourself

[rough depot]

It's a "Qualcomm 4nm"

Which is not an 865

[modest mantle]

must be more midrange

[inland frost]

well yeah but it doesn't actually specify which "Qualcomm 4nm" unless that's the actual soc?

[rough depot]

Right

But we know the 865 isn't a 4nm

So

[late rock]

865 is 7 I think

[modest mantle]

yeah, it's 7nm

[inland frost]

So probably worse than the T820, was not expecting that

[pseudo dove]

Hope the chip can do cave cv1000

[rough depot]

It's got no stick, I stand by it not needing to be a T820 or better

[bright plinth]

The current thought is its a 4s gen 2, although the BT version doesn't line up, everything else does.

[modest mantle]

could be 7, 6 or 4

[inland frost]

Fair I guess

[rough depot]

I'm clearly just hoping it's cheaper though, I'm not the only opinion

[modest mantle]

4 would have been my guess

[merry mango]

ugh i forget i kinda hate the retroid dpad for fighting games

[modest mantle]

yeah, the BT part is weird

[inland frost]

150 at most, we can assume it's better than the T618 and the rp3+ was at that price when it first released, should be around there, but seems controversial considering the mini is only 50 more and assumably a lot more powerful

[modest mantle]

like none of the 4nm have 5.0

[bright plinth]

Exactly
And the version isn't software, Bluetooth versions are based on hardware you can't just "downgrade" it

[rough depot]

I would hope it's closer to 100 or 120, with a clearly less powerful chip given the layout

But maybe they have multiple skus

[inland frost]

Maybe above the ayaneo's Helio g99 as well? I wonder how many handhelds it'll surpass in performance, despite having no sticks (just use a magsafe ring, attach it to the back of the classic, put the other on the front of a backbone style phone controller and bam), this'll probably explode considering it's around that 35xx/Brick size and it'll end up being much more powerful

[inland frost]

skus as in?

[rough depot]

Can you only implement a limited version of the Bluetooth? Like maybe it's capable of 5.1 but they only put 5.0 on there?

[modest mantle]

like diff chipsets for like the saturn version

[rough depot]

Yeah this

[modest mantle]

but again, the 5.0 just doesn't match up

i mean the infographic could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time

[rough depot]

It's a head scratcher

[inland frost]

Sounds like an awful idea

[rare pumice]

maybe its a clean out the parts warehouse device, and the price will be entry level................ 🤣 yea right.

[inland frost]

Since using the original abxy in a 6 button layout is just so much worse, coming from the rg arc

and this looks worse tbh

[modest mantle]

agreed

[inland frost]

That said...

[modest mantle]

maybe the chips are busted enough they could only be certified for 5.0 😆

[inland frost]

6 buttons might help compensate the fact that Kingdom Hearts 2 wont be completely possible with only a dpad and face buttons, the dpad can act as the left joystick while the extra 2 face buttons could be dpad up and down

select could be dpad left

and yeah the rpclassic 6 is peak

(if we're talking about that use case)

Other than that, I really hope each one has the same chipset, saturn games on that dpad sounds awful anyways so

[modest mantle]

don't say that too loudly, the saturn people will get ya

https://tenor.com/view/rabble-mob-south-park-gif-15261165

[pseudo dove]

Never used a retroid device yet so kinda wondering how I’ll find the dpad

[wintry pecan]

its my second favorite dpad

[modest mantle]

their controls are usually solid, probably the least of my concern is button/dpad feel

how many times i'll hit select instead of start is yet to be known

[wintry pecan]

its accurate and nice feeling while not being too hard to press or tiring to use a long time

[inland frost]

I love retroid's dpad, actually talking on my 4 pro as we speak, but for saturn games I kinda assume that using it wouldn't be quite the same, yk?

[bright plinth]

That's what I mean, the chipset has the 5.1 hardware, so it's 5.1. If it was only 5.0, it'd only have the 5.0 hardware.
Sort of like how different Hdmi versions are hardware based and you can't "update" your cable without replacing it.

[bright plinth]

Info graphic is wrong about the fabrication node. It's not actually 4nm 😂

The worst timeline.

[modest mantle]

Lol. Fuck me that'd be dumb

But I could totally see them being like, just put it's Bluetooth 5 something

[pseudo dove]

What’s your first?

[wintry pecan]

ps2/3/4

[modest mantle]

Could be a 765, if it's actually 7nm 😆

[wintry pecan]

its 4nm

[modest mantle]

Is it?

The chip they describe does not exist

[modest mantle]

Yeah. That's not a real chip. No Qualcomm 4nm has BT 5.0

So something is wrong there

Watch it not be Qualcomm

[wintry pecan]

only thing to do is wait, we have the info we have

[modest mantle]

Tis true

[tropic solstice]

#1339773221175824415 message

[candid jasper]

No we must speculate endlessly

[wintry pecan]

you could scroll up for all the previous speculation lol

[tropic solstice]

It's going to be a Snapdragon 4 gen 2

[modest mantle]

Ok. Now read what we're actually talking about

[tropic solstice]

Oh, my bad 🙂

[ashen vault]

Why is David edging us

[wintry pecan]

revenge

[modest mantle]

Again. I wouldn't be shocked if they got the 5.0 wrong

It's just one decimal off

[candid jasper]

4s gen 2 isn't a particularly beefy chip

Especially the GPU

[eager rain]

Think how much better it’ll be when he finally lets you consoom

[modest mantle]

Yeah. But for the controls makes more sense

[candid jasper]

Please let it be too weak to run Saturn as well

To keep the joke going

[ashen vault]

I’ll probably just get a flip 2

also what is consoom

consume

[candid jasper]

4chan lingo

[ashen vault]

What would I do without you roofpooper

Thanks

[wintry pecan]

maybe this will be qualcomms new ai chip but factory seconds

[rough depot]

"failed chips? give them to the retroid guys to make Gameboys"

[candid jasper]

We'll end up with a Toy Soldiers situation probably

https://tenor.com/view/small-soldiers-no-mercy-there-will-be-no-mercy-chip-hazard-commando-elite-gif-18429724

[ashen vault]

Failed chips will do for upscaled 2d games

[wintry pecan]

if our AI overlords end up being toy solders i can die happy

[ashen vault]

The cheaper the better

[rough depot]

100 percent agree

[ashen vault]

Some people advocated for this to be sd865

Would have been much more expensive

But maybe having Linux would have been worth it to them

[candid jasper]

Linuxers would love a high res OLED (vertical)

[wintry pecan]

they got one already in the rp5 and odin2s are getting it soon

[candid jasper]

Oops meant to put vertical in there

[wintry pecan]

ah

[distant ledge]

So you guys are saying Saturn won't run (great) on this? 😕

[candid jasper]

Ha we'll see

[wintry pecan]

we dont know, we cant find the chip

[distant ledge]

The thick plottens...

[candid jasper]

If it is a 4s Gen 2 it's still an adreno gpu but it'll be a dinky one

[wintry pecan]

like, 4nm should be enough for most things, but perfect saturn might not happen yeah

[candid jasper]

perfect for android saturn*

Saturn is CPU intensive i think? Maybe GPU will be enough

[pseudo dove]

Can’t wait for pricing on this and the flip 2 🤣

[last badge]

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/technology/processors/application-processors/sda660#Overview

[sharp tiger]

Unless they accidentally turn log into Pluvia

[long wyvern]

Why didn’t they name the chip

[wintry pecan]

its an AI chip lol

[long wyvern]

SM4635?

4nm, 2133 ddr4, wifi5, bt 5.1

[last badge]

Grrrrrr Samsung node

[last badge]

2ghz A78, I doubt it'll run the whole library under mednafen

SD865 is 2.8ghz A77 and it just about runs the whole library in performance mode

[distant ledge]

🤔

[long wyvern]

It being a 4nm Qualcomm means it’s gonna be over $150 imho

I’m out

[last badge]

I'd love for magicx to strike

They should have kept a handheld with that screen in the pipeline

6 button three series (mtk 4nm A78) that can play Saturn when

[distant ledge]

If Saturn won't be playable smoothly, I'll just get one for the 4-button models

Eitherway... with no stick you are somewhat limited what Saturn games you can play

At least, I prefer to have it

[solemn sentinel]

Saturn's default controller doesn't have a stick, so I imagine most of the library is playable without one

[quaint steeple]

you dont use gpu on saturn emulation

[sharp tiger]

That's what I thought based on the specs.

[last badge]

SD 6 Gen 1 (2.2ghz a78) struggles with mednafen saturn for 3d games

[distant widget]

None of the other libretro cores for Saturn has good compatibility?

[last badge]

Yabasanshiro/yabause are both hit and miss

[distant widget]

There is some "Kronos" core?

[last badge]

Not sure it works on android (requires opengl 4.3)

And being based on yabause i'm not sure about compatibility

[solemn sentinel]

I remember Russ showing the Aya Pocket Micro running Saturn decently well with the Beetle core

Is the speculated chipset weaker than the G99?

[novel crane]

Either comparable or equal to a G99

[last badge]

2D games should run decent

[last badge]

On the aya pocket micro review video? That was showing sega rally running on yabasanshiro_libretro

[solemn sentinel]

IIRC the reason why Saturn emulation is the way it is is because it has 2 processors?

One for 2D and one for 3D

[ebon forum]

Turnip?

What's the point of snapdragon if it's so low end?

[lament cloud]

SHADERS

It's like running Minecraft on a 3090 with realistic shaders

[pseudo dove]

Need moar news

[novel crane]

Just caught up again

The likelyhood of the chip since it's now confirmed to be a 4nm chip is either the 6 gen series, the 4 gen 1 or 2, or the 7 gen 1 or 2

[dusty marsh]

I caved and preordered. Love the aesthetics so much on this and am ok with the price. Just want a end all GBA emulator device.

[pseudo dove]

What did you buy??

[late rock]

Possible linux support

[novel crane]

And they probably get better deals thanks to AYN

[dusty marsh]

Oops. Wrong product board 🤣

[modest mantle]

Haha. I was like fomo so bad he broke into their servers

[dusty marsh]

I wish. Want a black classic if it existed

[turbid haven]

Was gonna say xD what you buy?

[modest mantle]

If it's cheap enough to run the GB catalog on OLED I'll definitely buy one. If it's expensive enough to run whole Saturn catalog without video out I'm out

[dusty marsh]

Ayaneo pocket micro. Need a end game for GBA emulation 🫠

[lament cloud]

Pre orders are out?

[dusty marsh]

Nah. I gone goofed the wrong product board. Sorry.

[river remnant]

Do we know the price on this?

[late rock]

Nope

[river remnant]

Any hope for sub 150?

[late rock]

It better be, otherwise it won't make much sense

[river remnant]

True. If you ask me it should be sub100 but yeah

[novel crane]

Sub 100 isn’t likely, but sub 150 is definitely possible

[rare pumice]

I watch the retro handhelds live stream, stubbs, tech dad both belives it will be around $120/130 in price

[lunar pecan]

130$ bet

[river remnant]

120 is reasonable

[dusty marsh]

i hope that includes shipping cost 👀

[pseudo dove]

What’s shipping cost to uk for previous retroid devices?

[blissful reef]

It never does

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Def leaning flip

120 just a little steep for something I'd only really play NES/SNES/GB/GBC/GBA on

[ashen vault]

Don’t tell ayaneo

[modest mantle]

Id play way more on the DMG. It has a stick

[ashen vault]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237880053690536016/1297963494930645052/image0.gif

It has two “sticks”

But they seem be a PITA to use

[modest mantle]

Yeah. I wouldn't two stick it. But there's plenty that can be one sticked between PS1 and saturn

And still some catalog above that. Plus with video out I'd use it for every business trip

Ayaneo pricing just oof sometimes

[brittle tiger]

Welp, someone just confirmed that they are accepting more refunds than the 200.

[dusty marsh]

My end game vertical handheld 👀

[modest mantle]

Mine only cause it has to be. Lol

Was hoping this would be it

[dusty marsh]

Waiting for Droix to restock, ebay prices are ridic and appear to mostly ship out of Japan. Nothing against Japan, just wish there was a local seller in the US

[modest mantle]

Yeah. Regulars are listing em. Still for dumb prices tho

The one Japanese seller just wants a bonkers amount for em

[dusty marsh]

yup, i entertained the idea of a offer but they just let it expire without getting back to me 🙃

[pseudo dove]

$149 I reckon

[modest mantle]

$148.99

[rough depot]

You drive a hard bargain, that penny really convinced me though

[modest mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-ok-great-good-thumbs-up-gif-16351183

[vestal thunder]

I think they can get this down to $120ish, the 4 gen2 seems like a cheap chip

[unkempt frost]

So this should perform a little bit better than a G99 given the better drivers, right?

I'mma do some Saturn testing on my A1 Unicorn

[distant widget]

gpu looks worse than the g99 's, but if you just testing beetle that don't matters i guess. cpu should be better than the g99 's

[unkempt frost]

It's not great

[scarlet meadow]

Just release the specs already Retroid , this drip feeding info is torture

[unkempt frost]

Goddamnit, it's gonna be another Arc situation isn't it

[scarlet meadow]

What another Arc situation? Never was into that Anbernic so no clue

[wild beacon]

6 buttons but can't do Saturn well

[unkempt frost]

It looked perfect for Saturn but could pretty much only run Yaba Sanshiro 2, and even then it was hit or miss

[scarlet meadow]

Jeez

That's sad

[unkempt frost]

At least this one should do YS2 well, but YS2 pales in comparison to Beetle

[wild beacon]

honestly Beetle or bust

[scarlet meadow]

Still wish it had at least a single stick/slider

[wild beacon]

Yaba Sanshiro is just too buggy

[distant widget]

is Yaba Sanshiro actively developed though?

[wild beacon]

I don't think so? It's a fork of an abandoned emu iirc

[distant widget]

the one on play store is updated 3 Mar, their website seems updated as well. YS2 that is

[halcyon gyro]

does YS2 have retrochieves?

[unkempt frost]

YS2 was giving me the business, so I tried the YS RetroArch core on the A1 (G99) and it's still choppy and not great.

Aw hell.

This really might be what does it in.

RG Arc 2: Electric Boogaloo

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-dashed-hopes-high-hopes-futurama-sad-gif-12387112

[brittle tiger]

Remember that the G99 is still using Mali, so I’d refrain from saying they’re “better”.

[brittle tiger]

Nah, it’s actually got a much better CPU and its GPU is only barely a fraction less powerful, so it should be able to still run at least a good number of Saturn games on Beetle, where only the really demanding games would require Yaba.

And that’s in regard to Android, if this thing gets Linux, it could potentially be optimized even more for Saturn.

[solemn sentinel]

So what's the issue with the YS2 core

[brittle tiger]

And of course, reminder to all that even the Arc was at first considered worthless for 6-buttons, until people pointed out the simple part that “hey, this runs Genesis well and also the 6-buttons are great for arcade games, plus the 2 extra buttons work as hotkeys”.

So this could easily just end up being the same situation except it’s more powerful, so Beetle Saturn would actually be possible for at least most 2d games and some 3d.

[unkempt frost]

It's buggy. Games are generally just really buggy. Missing/flashing elements and the like. With my go-to Daytona USA CCE NetLink, the HUD flashes and disappears randomly.

[merry mango]

speaking of saturn, have Model 2 and 3 arcade games been emulated?

[surreal gyro]

Yes

[pseudo dove]

Supermodel 3 for model 3 is great

[merry mango]

available for android?

[pseudo dove]

Don’t think so

[surreal gyro]

That I don't know. I've done it through batocera

[merry mango]

now to find model 2 and 3 complete romsets......

[ornate sail]

Can this 4G2 run Saturn ?

[merry mango]

wow vf2 running on my old work computer. anyone try the m2 emulator on winlator on their rp5?

[merry mango]

wow no gui lol

runs great though

[pseudo dove]

I think there’s one available

https://www.supermodel3.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=15

[merry mango]

i cant remember the last time i used cmd to run an emulator

[pseudo dove]

I was just looking at the renders again and noticed that the shoulder buttons are quite high above the dpad.
I’ve looked at the brick, dmg and 40xxv and they all look like they sit about 10-20mm above the Dpad

[steady mortar]

On paper btw like t820 vs d900

[pseudo dove]

How comfortable is this going to be???

[steady mortar]

Comfortable it depends on your hands

[pseudo dove]

Well yeah, but looking at every other vertical it seems a weirder grip

[unkempt frost]

So kinda like the Analogue Pocket?

[pseudo dove]

Yeah looks like it

[unkempt frost]

That's comfy for me, but I have big ol' baseball mitts for hands

[pseudo dove]

Good , just something I noticed and then checked the others

[merry mango]

good observation

[maiden basin]

I am the only one disappointed by the lack of video out? This seems like my dream machine to play my retro consoles below ps2, would love to put this on the tv when getting home from work

[pseudo dove]

No tv out via usb c?

[solemn sentinel]

I'm pretty sure the back of the RP Classic is gonna be slightly curved

[lunar pecan]

i would like to know as well
only because i might try out a saturn game or two

[unkempt frost]

Okay so how certain do we feel the 4 gen 2 is? Because there seems to be a number of chips that this could be based on the specs given. A 7/s Gen 3 performs about as well as an 865.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qualcomm_Snapdragon_systems_on_chips#:~:text=[168]-,Snapdragon 7s Gen 3,-Kryo (1%C3%97%202.5

Copium, I know

[solemn sentinel]

Something I want to see in more verticals are curved chins

[unkempt frost]

I know many of us grew up with the NES, but our hands aren't really made for 90º angles

[lunar pecan]

hides in growing up on ps2 /xbox 360

[glacial bison]

never playing with the SNES light bazooka
l weep for your loss

[lunar pecan]

funny enough, my millennial brother had a pc that emulated SNES games. We used to play Trials of Mana together on 1 keyboard

biggest shock I had when I replayed the game weeks ago was how mildly perverted it was. Childhood in shambles /s

[glacial bison]

This thing

[lunar pecan]

dafuq

[glacial bison]

Nostalgia overload

Literally a light bazooka lol

[lunar pecan]

i think my millennial siblings had an Atari before

my sister called my playstation vita an Atari last year

[glacial bison]

lol. Atari was my first system, 81 or so? Somewhere in there

There were a bunch of low budget nintendo-likes back then too, cheap bootleg things that came preloaded with non-nintendo games, and were basically souped up ataris. Terrible to play

[lunar pecan]

we're third world so most of the stuff was available to us many years later

think it was till the PS4 era when most of us began buying new tech

[glacial bison]

I see

They got rid of the light bazooka because parents groups complained it was weaponizing children etc lol. Al Gore/Tipper Gore censorship days

But it was fun af

It came with a game in which you shot aliens, iirc

[lunar pecan]

Lmao
Here kids played with toy guns that had mini plastic balls as shells
Like a shot from the toy gun can hurt you well enough

[glacial bison]

Right

[delicate ermine]

with a 4/64 config anything more powerful than the 4(s)Gen2 would be doubtful, like they are cutting cost to keep this below $100 IMO, if they wanted to make something more powerful this would have at least 6/128

[merry mango]

Awesoooommmee!!!

first time using winlator

i should hope the classic can run this too

[long wyvern]

omg i had a super scope.

that gundam mech game...

[ornate sail]

https://comparesizes.com/comparison/RP5-vs-RP-Classic-vs-TrimUI-Brick-vs-RPM-vs-Ayaneo-DMG/1741715270721

[eager rain]

hey I have that jsaux phone/tablet stand

[unkempt frost]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[pseudo dove]

Nice looks perfect size that I’ve been after

[merry mango]

its the best! so compact

[eager rain]

I mostly bought it to use with a y700 s8g1 8.8" tablet

[warm comet]

I had one of these!

Remember playing the game where you had to shoot down missiles coming toward you or something

[dusty marsh]

A childhood friend of mine had one but I never got to use it. Seems so cool but cept for a robot game the library for it appeared underwhelming.

Also remember renting a virtual boy. Best game they had was some robot punch out title.

[wet fossil]

I really hope that the rp classic has lower performance than the rp4pro because of the lack of sticks

[delicate ermine]

it's most likely a SD4sGen2, so on paper similar performance to an HelioG99, which is even less powerful than the RP4 (base)

[surreal gyro]

Either way you're gonna pay the mini premium 🤣 may as well hope for power!

[delicate ermine]

if it's not $99 they can keep it

doing a low end SoC with an 4/64 configuration better be cheap as fuck

[steady mortar]

Lmaooo with the oled it would be like 99 to 130 max

[surreal gyro]

But ...OLED! 🤣

[wet fossil]

Ok that's good