Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[south mantle]

Well

https://youtu.be/kqE7noDQLvs?si=OJQCIFVToDEVyVrA

This looks heavily inspired by Double Dash

It also looks super easy. Look at how short shocks make you small

Same with mega mushrooms running you over

Also you roll forward and maintain speed even crazier than Double Dash

I’m hoping it was tuned down for this showcase

But the actual game will be more punishing

[jolly kayak]

Brother we have #1352456992979161109

[south mantle]

But it wouldn’t be the Flip 2 chat without this?

[naive hollow]

it would be more flip 2 without this

[south mantle]

Man when did yall actually decide to stay on topic

What is this😭

[jolly kayak]

If i was a mod I'd be handing out timeouts after the first warning. I was part of the crowd the other day

[south mantle]

The crowd?

Was there a revolt??

[jolly kayak]

The off topic crowd

[south mantle]

Oh lol

[jolly kayak]

This channel was just "let's all whine about Nintendo" for an hour

[south mantle]

Nah I get it. Pretty often I would send “Where Flip 2” when people would talk about off topic stuff in here

I was just trying to do the funny

[jolly kayak]

Yeh cuz mods be sleepin

[south mantle]

It’s so tame in here now

[jolly kayak]

Average retro games mod

[south mantle]

Idek that Ive seen a mod here

Or didn’t recognize one

[jolly kayak]

Stubbs says something sometimes

[south mantle]

Oh

Those are just the server people tho

I don’t really count those guys as “mods”

[strange ivy]

Bundles shipped separately.

[naive hollow]

whew

[south mantle]

Active cooling

Ooh I didn’t think the Flip 2 had one

So the Flip 1 is a jet turbine, but the Flip 2 is a ramjet

Fr it seems to be exhausting to the rear, which is nice

Looks like the hinge right there

I wonder how accurate that is to the actual internals

[jolly kayak]

Id prefer it shoot at me to stay warm

[strange ivy]

I know I’ll be turning off my fan since all I’ll be playing is GBA games

[jolly kayak]

Yall ever pause while vacuuming and just sit by the rear of it to warm up?

[strange ivy]

My vacuum never gets warm

[south mantle]

I’m sure I probably did something like that when I was little

Older vacuums could def get warmer

Modern ones not so much

[jolly kayak]

Yee i was like 12 when I vacuumed

[rapid echo]

Will the Flip 2 use thermal pads for cpu heat dissipation?

[random tulip]

The RP5 did so I assume so

[south mantle]

Free flowing Liquid Metal

[lilac sable]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs4-mgs-snake-screaming-liquid-gif-24449463

[random tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/styropyro-mercury-hg-food-metal-gif-27568623

Anyone have trouble picking colors for their bundle? I get the discount if I click add bundle, but only for black and retro

[south mantle]

Good question

[random tulip]

I mean makes my choice to just get flip easier

[rapid echo]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cube-dance-ice-cube-bfdi-bfb-tpot-gif-15057326968531740248

One of Us, one of us, one of us

[south mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/game-cube-startup-bios-nintendo-logo-gif-16680124

[long lagoon]

Chat I just realized I accidentally bought the black one

[left turret]

same, black would be great to customize

Thinking about modded it into ps2

[severe ridge]

message support to change color

[long lagoon]

I don't want to delay the shipping :(

[errant pine]

My Retroid family 😎

[left turret]

Rp2s looks really good

[restive karma]

Need verticals

[naive hollow]

I chose ice blue and Saturn for my bundle

[random tulip]

Yeah. I don't get it. Maybe it's limited now?

Maybe I need to do it from desktop browser

Oh. I'm dumb. Lol

I thought it was just chip choice due to browser cutting off the dash and colors on mobile

My b all. Ignore the fool

[strange ivy]

Was it your browser?

[random tulip]

Yeah. And just the size of my phone (I like smaller stuff). So I just couldn't see it and assumed you were just selecting internals and not color as well

Silly me

[tranquil elbow]

I work in that field and optimizing sites for every browser and every phone screen resolution is hell

[random tulip]

Yeah. For sure. I used to do web dev on top of the protos we built and luckily we could just dictate what displays they use 😆

[tacit latch]

that's not what they did with the RP5/RPMini combo

[tacit latch]

I know this hell well, I swear developing games for the NES in assembly was easier than making sure a website works well with every resolution and screen on earth 😄

[random tulip]

Man. I hope so. Don't even care if I have to pay off the bundle discount to skip the classic 😆

[spare anchor]

Are you sure they are also sending the classic? Russ said he’s just getting the flip

[errant pine]

I'm not sure but if Russ said so, then I'm probably getting the Flip2 only (just like Russ). 😇

[strange ivy]

Retroid be surprising every reviewer with a Classic

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-mf-mofo-dexter-gif-23703739

[coral valley]

Seems like something they might do actually

[strange ivy]

Would be nice TBH.. Considering there’s literally zero IRL images of the Classic

What better way to get a diverse range of free content with different hand sizes than to send it out to reviewers

[manic grove]

if only

[strange ivy]

We just need some good news after a shitshow of a week y’know. Think positive

The Aussie Dollar just lost almost 10% of its value vs the USD so all my online shopping plans are on hold

And that all happened in like 12 hours

[manic grove]

I'm positive classic review units wont be sent out in time

[quiet reef]

Flip 2 was announced before the Classic, so maybe it's further along in the assembly process

[distant drum]

Virgin Nintendo can’t even start pre orders. Chad Retroid taking pre orders with no delivery date in site.

[random tulip]

Haha, maybe more like Crypto Bro Retroid

[coral valley]

The handheld grind never stops

[distant drum]

Damn I heard the music then realized it was in my head.

[south mantle]

[coral valley]

Crazy how no console has yet to beat the gamecube startup screen

Ps2 is close though

[fossil timber]

I like the steamdeck startup… but that’s because when I turn it on while docked to my tv the surround sound shakes the whole living room and I a love that sort of dumb thing

[naive hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-steam-girl-steam-delivery-girl-doorbell-steam-deck-intro-gif-6937496651760589632

[fossil timber]

But the deck is t quite a console

[south mantle]

I'd lock my door

[tacit latch]

wouldn't that be Anbernic?

[naive hollow]

more like ayaneo

anbernic is the hobo in the alley sniffing glue

[sage moat]

Same but no mini or 2s ☹️

Instead I have a 2+ I hate

[random tulip]

Crypto bro hides the real profits behind the plastic veneer

[random tulip]

Ayaneo is the Nepo Baby

Mini-gate kinda like a rug pull

[south mantle]

Can someone make a series of pictures that accurately describes the different companies?

[random tulip]

Would be cool

Anbernic is more like a wall street trader before and after tarrifs. Coke train to glory, massive burnout and rehab

[south mantle]

[restive totem]

Just preordered mine yesterday at EBGames 🤷

[restive totem]

You just know that online will have nothing but Cow on the tracks

[tranquil elbow]

I don't speak Chinese and the subs are... A journey but isn't he whining about literally everything?

Oh the YouTube version has actual subtitles

Ok that's weird in the subs he's not giving any real opinion, just describing the machine. On bilibili the subtitles aside from being almost unreadable were full of basically insults lmao

Maybe user comments? No idea how bilibili works

[limpid ledge]

😭😭same

I thought he was insulting the device

[tacit latch]

that is a thick boy

[strange glen]

Yeah those are user comments. On billibilli the comments have time stamps and will show on the screen

[tranquil elbow]

makes sense, thank you

[strange glen]

It originated from a Japanese website called Niconico (Bilibili started as a clone of Niconico, you can tell from the name too). In case you are curious https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danmaku_subtitling

[lilac sable]

finally. normal hands

[strange glen]

The thumbnail is perfect 😂

[random tulip]

Man. Can't wait for my Nest Tyrant

[tacit latch]

I'm guessing "grip"

[random tulip]

Haha. Yeah

[lilac sable]

is it me, or does the sound from the flip2 sound muffled compared to rp5?

[random tulip]

RP5 probably has better speakers. More internal room to fit them

[tacit latch]

jesus

[lilac sable]

shit. it sounds like shit.

[tacit latch]

if you tell me the RP5 has better speakers than this then how absolutely awful must these be

the RP5 itself does not have good speakers

[random tulip]

Could probably be tuned better too

[tranquil elbow]

yeah the speakers are pretty bad lmao

[random tulip]

But yeah. I didn't expect great speakers. Tho my DMG speakers sound pretty good for what they sre

[lilac sable]

oh yeah, initially the rp5 had worse sound. hopefully flip2 can be saved?

[random tulip]

I mean putting them in the lid is a pretty good idea

I know people have mixed feelings about that. But gives you more room and better directional firing. But alas. If that's the one complaint I'll live

Just ship em! 😆

[tacit latch]

the DMG is in a different league altogether, significantly better than any speakers on any Retroid so far

[random tulip]

Yeah. It can be done. Probably comes with a bigger body or higher price tag

[floral pebble]

It's quieter than the rp5 but sounds less harsh to me.

[tacit latch]

just listened to it, y'all are right, it sounds muffled

[lilac sable]

now gota look at the prefix rp5 audio quality

[tacit latch]

but it could be something as dumb as the speakers being farther away from the camera or in a less favorable position for recording

[random tulip]

Or just cut holes in the front. Heh

Yeah. Could be using a directional mic

[tacit latch]

gotta wait for actual reviewers

[random tulip]

That's probably more likely

Has it pointed to his face for commentary

[lilac sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhnPV7xfoSs

[strange glen]

I was leaning towards getting RP5 instead of flip 2 because I prefer the look of RP5. But after watching the video I start to like the flip 2 design. The SNES colorway is pretty cool.

[strange glen]

Haha, the translation is hilarious. Yeah he meant a grip.

[lilac sable]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-bird-gif-24691744

[random tulip]

Think I might list any grips i sell as nest tyrants tho. Sounds more aggressive

[lilac sable]

look at this nest tyrant

[random tulip]

[floral pebble]

Nest tyrant to me implies more of a dust and dirt capturer

[strange glen]

It’s funny how it got translated. Maybe it is translated by audio? 握把 is grip, the Chinese subtitles got it correct. But the same sound Wo Ba can be 窝霸 which is literally nest tyrant

But these two words together absolutely doesn’t make sense in Chinese

[random tulip]

Yeah. I mean device looks great. Retroid tends to make solid feeling stuff. Gimme!

Yeah. I guess cause it's going from Japanese to Chinese to English

[floral pebble]

He presses on the buttons in the video but I wish we could hear how clacky they are a bit better.

[strange glen]

Pot slices are dome switches

[random tulip]

Yeah. Will have to wait for a reviewer with good mic setup

[strange glen]

I think we need a dictionary for these videos

[white prism]

It looks smaller than I imagined, which I like

[strange glen]

Yeah I like the size of it

[lilac sable]

cause of the regular sized hands

[strange glen]

n3DS size is great

[floral pebble]

I like how small the whole thing is but wouldn't have minded bigger buttons

[lilac sable]

wonder if the buttons are as noisy as rp5?

[strange glen]

I wish it’s a bit thinner though

[white prism]

The renders made it look massive and kinda uncomfortable with where the controls were. The real thing looks much nicer

[strange glen]

Also the demos of the official Retroid have woman’s hands which make the device look bigger than it is

[vital belfry]

As some who is fluent in Chinese he actually really meant a Nest Tyrant

|| I like to spread misinformation ||

[strange glen]

Must use good urine - Max Zhou.

[random tulip]

I'm the opposite. I'm like yes, finally something to hold onto

[south mantle]

Speaking of that. They stopped posting videos of gameplay

[strange glen]

Yeah I think it’s more comfortable, just aesthetically thinner would be nicer. I guess I am just used to a flatter design of 3DS.

[random tulip]

Yeah. True

[white prism]

I haven’t been interested in a flip design at all but this things growing on me, with the power and Linux too

[tranquil elbow]

dunno sounds like a pretty believable Tyranid unit name from 40k to me

[strange glen]

Two sticks on top are a bit weird but the left stick on top is probably better than RP5 when playing 3d games

[tranquil elbow]

everyone's saying it worked really well on the wii u pro controller

it still looks weird to me but I hope they're right

[strange glen]

You mean the Wii U gamepad? I had one before but can’t remember how it felt

[tranquil elbow]

yeah

I assumed it was called pro contrller cause the wii u gamepad was the one with the screen no?

this thing

[strange glen]

Oh

[tranquil elbow]

it's the closest thing to a flip 2 we ever seen I think

[strange glen]

The gamepad also have two sticks on top. I thought you meant that

[remote basin]

underrated controller, the battery could outlast the heat death of the universe

[tranquil elbow]

(controls wise)

[fathom geyser]

Also not many people complained about both stick top on the GPD XD or the X18S

[strange glen]

Yeah maybe it’s not bad. I am starting to like flip 2

The biggest concern is the hinge

[tranquil elbow]

I hope its good with all my strength cause I love clamshells and I was this close to picking up a RP5 anyway

[remote basin]

symmetrical sticks on top is better than underneath IMO, which might be a hot take

[tranquil elbow]

so a clamshell RP5 is my dream come true

[strange glen]

I usually like clampshell (I love my DS and 3DS) but the flip 2 design doesn’t attract me for some reasons

I still prefer RP5 design

[tranquil elbow]

the rp5 looks better yeah

the flip2 has a lot of empty space on the bottom half

[remote basin]

I think if I was in the market for an android handheld, I'd consider the flip 2 myself

[tranquil elbow]

but still, clamshell for life, the RP5 despite being smaller just looks like a steamdeck to me

[strange glen]

Yeah. Hope if it sells well we will get a dual screen version

[tranquil elbow]

and I never bring my steamdeck anywhere

[strange glen]

That’s my dream

[tranquil elbow]

while m pretty sure I can just throw my flip 2 in the bag

[strange glen]

Agree. flip 2 with steam deck is a great combo

Flip 2 is a killer EDC.

Hope the hinge is good

[tranquil elbow]

yeah thats my biggest concern

[remote basin]

I'd love for a dual screen variant of this handheld, that'd probably put me over the edge and get one lol

[strange glen]

I have seen so many broken hinges of Miyoo flip on Reddit

But on the other hand the hinge of 35XX SP seems pretty good. Haven’t seen many complaints

[tranquil elbow]

another company announced a 2 screen clamshell for the end of the year no?

can confirm the 35SP hinge is good

[strange glen]

MagicX I think?

[random tulip]

Id pay tarrifs for one. Hehe

[tranquil elbow]

if anbernic can get it right on a 50€ clamshell I hope retroid can do the same for a 230€ one

[strange glen]

And the OneXSuger

[random tulip]

If MagicX still exists by then

[remote basin]

I mean the onexsugar kinda is one

[tranquil elbow]

true

but cmon that thing is an engineering nightmare

so many failpoints Ill be surprised if it's still in one piece in 6 months

[remote basin]

I agree, it's over-engineered

they really didn't need to make is such a swiss army knife, I think most people would have just appreciated a simple clamshell

[tranquil elbow]

yeah

[strange glen]

Which color would you choose?

[tranquil elbow]

not familiar with the ocmpany

[tranquil elbow]

for the flip? I was torn between snes and GC, my original plan was to get the snes one and change the face buttons, but I think ll just go for GC

[strange glen]

I love GC colorway for RP5 but somehow it looks weird to me on flip 2

[tranquil elbow]

the video shows the guy removing the back plate and yeah, there's A LOT of stuff in there

[strange glen]

Maybe because of the stick position

[tranquil elbow]

reaching the buttons seems to be a pain, so GC it is

I think it looks a bit weird because of all the empty space

so a more neutral color like black or grey look "okay" when its just a big flat piece of plastic

but purple looks weird

that's my theory anyway

[strange glen]

Want to see the real photos of the GC. Rendering on the website looks too purple to my eyes

[remote basin]

I like the black and ice blue models

[strange glen]

Black looks pretty sick with the stick LEDs

[tranquil elbow]

yeah same, I want to see the GC model under normal lighting and not promotional photos

[strange glen]

I am not a fan of transparent models so I probably won’t pick ice blue

[tranquil elbow]

I considered black too but man black picks up dust like nobody's business

I have OCD and Im always compulsively cleaning my steam deck lmao

[random tulip]

They made some small stuff. Shipped something with the wrong chip. Now made the zero28 which was solid. I just don't know if they'll survive or keep pace with a more limited market

[tranquil elbow]

ah yeah, that's a fair point

[strange glen]

And they like to share updates on discord every day 😅

[tranquil elbow]

its also a bit of a gamble to purchase an expensive handheld (Im assuming a 2 screen clamshell will be) from a minor company

[remote basin]

they almost design by community, it seems

[random tulip]

Yeah. They're very responsive. Which is amazing. So it's kinda sad tarrifs might kill them

[strange glen]

I like how purple looks.

[random tulip]

Hopefully Asian buyers can keep them afloat

[tranquil elbow]

Im not convinced tariffs will do much to those companies. They have an internal market thats like, 1/4th of the world population

[naive hollow]

they won't lol

[tranquil elbow]

Tariffs are terrible news for americans

for China? mmmh, not sure

[remote basin]

some people have more money than sense, so spending an extra $40 on a $120 handheld might not concern them too much

or however much their handhelds would cost

[naive hollow]

I know I'll probably pay the tariff on my flip 2 bundle just cuz I want the shit I ordered

but yeah it's probably gonna cut down the number of things I buy

[remote basin]

I think it'll have an affect, but it might not be a major affect since the US is only one market

how much of the market is in the US I wonder, compared to say europe or asia?

[tranquil elbow]

it will certainly have an effect, but big enough to kill a company? Very unlikely

[tranquil elbow]

that would be cool to know yeah

[naive hollow]

20-30% I'd imagine

[tranquil elbow]

it's probably bigger in the US than in Europe, judging from purely empyrical data

but it's also probably MASSIVE in China

[naive hollow]

I imagine the domestic market is half at least

[strange glen]

I am actually not sure it’s big in China.

[random tulip]

Think it's moreso cause they're new. Most might be ok. Ayaneo might have a harder time. But I can always order through droix and at least pay 30% less

[strange glen]

Baidu forum, bilibili channels and taobao sales all points to pretty low numbers. My bet is that China domestic market is smaller than US.

[random tulip]

Budget devices do well in Asia. But world might be needed to sell more premium devices

[restive karma]

Nintendo just exited Chinese market last year, pulling out switch and eshop iirc

[tranquil elbow]

with 6 times the people?

what do chinese people play then

wait I know chinese people

Ill ask them

[strange glen]

The top search results shows less than 1000 sales on taobao. So I think RP5 sells about 10k top in China.

[tranquil elbow]

they're asleep now though. Ill ask them tomorrow

[strange glen]

I am Chinese 🙂

[copper burrow]

league and dota is my guess

[tranquil elbow]

do you live in China?

[strange glen]

No so yeah I can’t be entirely sure. But I can check Chinese websites

[random tulip]

Mobile gaming is big in China. Just straight up android gaming

[tranquil elbow]

ah yeah

I have a couple friends who live in China

[naive hollow]

yeah mobile and PC gaming are huge

[random tulip]

My buddy lived there for a while

[tranquil elbow]

one is from my country but he married a chinese girl and they live in Shenzen now

[random tulip]

Ah. Nice

[strange glen]

The open source handhelds Baidu form, equivalent of SBCGaming Reddit only have 62k followers vs 146k for SBCGaming

[restive totem]

Retro handhelds is not a big name in the game yet and it's solely because lack of advertising / distribution but i know why they can't do that

[random tulip]

Yeah. The world market is def big for the hobby

[tranquil elbow]

Ill send them a message now

[strange glen]

So the equivalent of RGC on bilibilli only has 100k followers vs 600k followers of RGC.

[naive hollow]

Gotta take in to account chinese media censorship. I'm pretty sure RGC's subscriber base isn't just people in the US

honestly I'd say 100K from probably 99% chinese citzens is pretty impressive

[strange glen]

For sure, but I bet more than half are from the U.S.

[random tulip]

True. Not to mention for population size it's not that much

[naive hollow]

North American/European yeah

[strange glen]

China has 1.5 billion people. 100k followers on bilibili is not a big deal

[naive hollow]

well the world has 8 billion people so 600K isn't a big deal either

pretty similar ratio tbh

not everyone in the world is tech savy/has internet access

[strange glen]

Almost no Chinese watch YouTube so it’s more like 6.5 billion

But yeah still similar ratio

But to put things in perspective, the league of legends bilibili channel has 10M subscribers

Mobile games and e sports are much more popular in China than console gaming

So coming back to the tariffs, it definitely will have major impacts to this hobby because US is a major market

[naive hollow]

i doubt it

[strange glen]

Especially for more premium handhelds like Retroid, Ayn, Ayaneo

[random tulip]

For sure

It's one of the reasons blizzard made Diablo immortal. For the Chinese market

Maybe the main reason

[tranquil elbow]

ok my chinese friend told me that the sentiment atm in China is obviously confusion, but in general they'll prolly all keep making their products, shifting the focus on other markets, and just dump the tariff prices on american customers

she also says that she doesn't think this will affect big companies much, but small ones might struggle yes

and she's not sure about retro handheld specifically cause it's not a market she follows at all, these are general considerations about electronics companies in China

[strange glen]

Makes sense

The tariffs at the end are paid by customers not manufacturers.

[naive hollow]

the tariffs are paid by the manufacturers

[tranquil elbow]

yeah, companies can't really afford to pay them, the profit margins are pretty thin already

[naive hollow]

put passed off to customers

[strange glen]

Yeah. Either the consumers import themselves in which cases they pay or the tariffs are absorbed in increased retail price

Let’s change topic. How was the hinge in flip 1? I heard it was pretty bad.

Did it break easily?

[tranquil elbow]

I only heard that the transparent ones cracked, but it was more an issue with the plastic than with the hinge

[naive hollow]

from what I heard the watermelon color had the least reports of cracking

it was all the solid colors oddly enough

[tranquil elbow]

maybe it was another handheld then 🤔

[strange glen]

Interesting. I have only seen the red transparent model (watermelon?) maybe that is the only surviving model

[sacred kindle]

watermelon supremacy

[strange glen]

Found a good video by Joey about flip 1 and the hinge issue at the beginning. https://youtu.be/xslo0r2Vm_A?si=VdBNDFDdwxrjcpEH

From 1 year ago

Apparently the hinge had issue at the beginning but got fixed a few months after launch. Hopefully it means Retroid knows how to make a good hinge now.

[random tulip]

Thats the general gist. Hopefully they did

[coral valley]

I remember him saying a flip 2 was coming back in his miyoo flip video, I feel like he must've had some insider info

[random tulip]

There's a risk that transparent plastic can be more brittle. But it reality it depends on the dye, the type of plastic, thickness, tolerances, etc

[random tulip]

Yeah it came out that he saw a proto or something

[naive hollow]

#1336037750889250960 message

[strange glen]

I heard it’s hard to for android to support 2 screens but aren’t there a few 2 screens Android phones in the market?

Like Samsung Galaxy Flip?

And lg wing

[gentle badge]

They’re paid by the importer

Anbernic will never pay a cent of them

[naive hollow]

same difference

[gentle badge]

Whoever recieves them into the USA does regardless of whether that is you as the end consumer ordering direct from China or an American based reseller

[remote basin]

these are made by big companies that have dedicated teams to build their custom android forks

[gentle badge]

(Who would then pass them along to you, the consumer)

[remote basin]

and even then, they're very often plagued with bugs and oversights

[coral valley]

I'm pretty interested in how the dna duo turns out because of this, since it's being made for the odin and retroid devices

[remote basin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[versed vigil]

You mean the ridiculously overpriced 3d-printed screen kit that still hasn’t been shipped at all to people?

[strange glen]

Thats true. But if someone can make a dual screen device that can emulate 3DS well and cost like $300, it will be a great selling device because its the same price as 3DS but can do so much more

[coral valley]

Oml bro you're missing my point

[strange glen]

3DS prices are crazy at the moment

[coral valley]

I'm not about to say $190 for a screen isn't crazy, just saying the concept itself is somewhat interesting

[versed vigil]

No, I saw your point and was just pointing out that it wasn’t a great example since that thing already was in a bad spot regardless.

A better example for “people impacted by Odin 2’s being way more difficult to get cheap” would probably be the people making 3D Printed grips or cases for it.

[coral valley]

I feel like they've gotten even worse these past few months

[versed vigil]

Oh, wait you weren’t talking about usefulness “due to the device it’s made for being hard to get” at all? Ok then yeah, I guess I did miss the point.

[coral valley]

Well I do keep an eye on its progress and it seems to be shipping out by the end of April, the biggest delays were because of the switching in manufactures and the switch to an oled panel. And the final product isn't going to be 3d printed iirc

[strange glen]

You are not wrong

My Pikachu yellow Edition CIB is 630 usd now

Crazy

I got it for $200 new in 2018

[coral valley]

Yeah it's nuts, I'm seeing the original 3ds and 3ds xl going for what used to be the new 3ds prices

[strange glen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/s/Dcj58gRfVR

181 for a broken one 😅

[coral valley]

Ebay sellers have lost their minds

[strange glen]

Yeah so there is a huge market for a 3DS clone and the budget is high.

[remote basin]

I think, for the time being, a 2DS form factor handheld is more practical

like the magicx zero 40

[strange glen]

Yes but then it will be for ds not 3DS

Prices for ds is a lot lower

It can be a one screen device like Cube

Make it a much bigger screen, and capable of emulating 3DS can be a good approach

[coral valley]

There's a couple of aspect ratios that work pretty well for 3ds, like 7:5 in portrait works really well for both screens filling most of the screen

Part of why I've considered just getting the oneplus pad

[random tulip]

MagicX kinda doing the vertical 9:16

Kind of a solution to that

But dual screen would def be nicer

[strange glen]

Yeah tablet plus telescopic controller is a good option

[coral valley]

If they made an rg cube with a better soc for 3ds that'd be cool

[distant drum]

Haha yall are starved for content.

👀 me toooo

[quiet reef]

Still no ice blue reveal 😒

[quiet reef]

I also like how the back is flatter than the flip 1. More comfortable for pocket carrying

[naive hollow]

I noticed that too

I like a flatter profile for pocketability

[rigid thicket]

Bit of hopium, but it's an engineering unit so maybe not final speakers in them? Just need whatever cheap speaker they can use to make sure sound outputs.
I don't normally play with speakers if I play with sound on at all, but would suck for those that do.

[naive blade]

looks like a thicc boy

kinda like the flip 1

[strange glen]

Just notice the English translation is so wrong here 😂 New junior means new 3DS XL. Because 大三 here means big 3 but normally it means year 3 students in university = junior

[quiet reef]

About 25% of the translation is off lol

Maybe more haha

But we get the gist of it. He’s giving his first impressions of the device

[rigid thicket]

Guess they haven't gotten around to AI powered translation yet, the whole thing reads like old Google Translate, ahaha.

[quiet reef]

I like how he showed the original Flip in the video and compared the texture of the plastic. I just wished he would have shown them side by side

But overall a net positive that the Flip 2 has a more matte, grippy finish

[naive blade]

honestly I really wished the dpad would be on top but I might still find this to be good enough where I'll choose it over the rgb50. We'll see what the reviews will tell us.

[naive hollow]

i hope the ice blue is matte too

[naive blade]

ewww

[quiet reef]

How about buttons on top, screen on the bottom

[strange glen]

I don’t have a n3ds. But I have n3dsxl and DS Lite. n3ds is a bit bigger than DS lite right?

[floral pebble]

Australia style

[quiet reef]

Slightly, yes

[strange glen]

Flip 1 has this button layout doesn’t it?

[floral pebble]

doesn't

[strange glen]

Oh I didn’t see this one has a stick on top and one at the bottom

That’s like inverse Xbox. So weird

[plush silo]

It's the Wii U layout basically. And sort of the New 2ds/3ds layout too, although the latter had a nub/tiny thumbstick for its right stick instead of a full size one

Weren't many games that used that second stick on 3ds anyhow. Just Kid Icarus off the top of my head and a few others

[quiet reef]

Touch screen centric handheld

[floral pebble]

That's what we need for a dual screen, one flips up and one flips down.

[quiet reef]

In all seriousness, the Flip 2 is as close to what I want from a clamshell. Pretty excited tbh

[strange glen]

I think xenoblade chronicles uses that too.

[plush silo]

Xenoblade did yeah

[versed vigil]

This feels like the type of thing I’d buy solely to fuck with people as a sort of “flash bang of surprise horror” in showing “a new game I’m having fun with” on it so that people immediately go “good god, the game is cool but wtf is that device’s layout?!”

Kind of like the “Circular Screen jumpscare” I was doing a while back when I learned of it being an actual thing that exists.

[remote basin]

majora's mask 3D

basically the only game I used my circle pad pro on

oh, and resident evil revelations

[versed vigil]

Monster Hunter used it and the ZL/ZR buttons on the Circle Pad Pro (as well as the New 3DS) extensively.

It didn’t feel good to use them on 3DS, but they used it.

Oh, Kingdom Hearts 3D also had them as controls you could optionally use if you were able to.

[naive hollow]

Monster Hunter

used my circlepad pro a lot for those games

that plus some N3DS exclusive games

[plush silo]

Xenoblade and Kingdom Hearts were the two such games I owned that needed it (or could use it)

[sour ore]

If you had your 3ds homebrewed you could use the right stick for a lot more. The stick itself is not bad, nor the problem that most people have with it. It's the rubber on the stick that brings the issues. It's too soft, it doesn't provide enough resistance to provide good control nor it is comfortable, and I think it's the worst part of the system itself.

That's why changing that rubber thing from a tougher one, like those red thingies from Lenovo laptops is an absurd upgrade. It went from painful to use to really, really nice.

by using ReHid you could remap buttons for specific games, and it's super neat to remap stuff to it. You can even remap specific touchcreen presses to buttons. And some NDS games had codes to use the right stick too, you can play Metroid Prime Hunters dual stick, it feels incredible for a "simple" code running on top of the game.

Do we know when reviews for the Flip 2 will start to appear? I've never had a device of this sort, and I've been looking for something to get for a while and this might be the first one that checks the most boxes for me, at least concept wise.

[copper sequoia]

Reviewers will start to get their devices within the next week or two afaik

I believe Russ is supposed to get his the 8th and he’s usually one the the later folks to review their unit

[sour ore]

I see. I usually wait for information to buy something, but with the current tariff situation I don't even know what to do

(I am not from the US by the way)

[copper sequoia]

Yeah i pulled the trigger this week and preordered

[sour ore]

It's really bad timing

[copper sequoia]

Did you see the video from the Chinese reviewer that came out today?

[sour ore]

no, I did not know about that

[copper sequoia]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DLPH7xbaA8s&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

He doesn’t really give his opinion but nonetheless it’s something

[plush silo]

It's basically more of a hands-on rather than a straight up review

[copper sequoia]

Yeah exactly

[sour ore]

oh wow, it's slightly smaller than a new 3ds xl

[plush silo]

Speakers don't sound too good to me is what I noticed, but that might be bc of mic positioning or something else

I really like how small it is at least. Makes me further convinced this is what I want to buy as my next handheld

[sour ore]

probably. I pretty much never play handhelds without earphones connected though

[copper sequoia]

Yeah. Hoping that or can be improved like rp5

[copper sequoia]

Yeah same!

[plush silo]

I'm curious if this will get the same EQ update that the RP5 is getting over OTA at some point that I believe you can already do manually with some software (I forget what it was, but I remember someone sharing a Reddit link or something about fixing the EQ on RP5)

[sour ore]

As I said it kinda felt the most interesting of all the ones I saw. I like the clamshell design, the rp5 seems powerful enough and nice, but the rp5 position of the sticks seems uncomfortable.

I wonder if this flip 2 will be comfortable to hold and play

[jolly kayak]

The hands on vid looks promising. I'm very glad i ordered black

[naive hollow]

Speakers are honestly secondary on a handheld like this for me

If I care that much about audio I’ll use headphones

[plush silo]

I don't need them to be external desktop speakers level/headphones level or anything, they just need to be good enough for me when I'm using this out and about

[jolly kayak]

I used to have a 2ds xl with down firing speakers. It works

[sour ore]

I hope the reviews come along not too late and I'm able to get one...

[copper sequoia]

Chris also said it was the most comfortable retroid device

[sour ore]

really? that's great

[jolly kayak]

More comfy than mini is a high bar

[plush silo]

If it's anything like the Wii U Pro Controller or Gamepad, it should be really good hopefully.
I think the Steam Deck has a similar layout as well (buttons and dpad on the side instead of below the sticks, but still similar) and I've seen a good amount of people say that's comfortable

[floral pebble]

Steam deck is not comfortable to play for me on anything that requires full controls. But I also think the flip 2 layout is quite different

[sacred kindle]

yeah flip 2 has a bit more verticality (is that a word?) to its layout

[plush silo]

It's a word yes

And yeah, can definitely see that

I'm expecting it'll be super comfy for me personally given that the Wii U Pro Controller was my all time favorite controller.
Kind of wish there was more 3rd party controllers out there that had the sticks on top layout that did.
It's always gonna be a niche layout admittedly, but it's one I enjoy

[copper sequoia]

I think SD is very comfortable just too heavy for long term gaming

[jolly kayak]

People got aliexpress wrists ig

I found 3 hour sessions on the deck to be super comfy

[floral pebble]

And therein lies the trouble with ergonomics. There's even people that think playstation controllers are comfier

[sacred kindle]

It's a bit too long for small hands (hard for me to reach bumpers when locked in) but otherwise yeah it's nice to feel when you hold it for a short time

[sour ore]

I find curious though they find it so comfy to hold when it's so flat on the back

although it being thicker than the 3DS it's compared to might help there

for example I find hard to use the DSI XL, I don't know how to hold it without feeling uncomfortable after a while

[floral pebble]

Have you seen the grip for the original flip?

Baby got back

[sour ore]

so much back my god

That's an accessory isn't it?

[copper sequoia]

I’m sure there will be grips from the community too.

[sour ore]

I have one for my n2ds xl, I love using that

specially for more hectic games like monster hunter

[floral pebble]

I don't know how much I'd want it for my use case but would love to see retroid going back to sexy tpu grips

Instead of that weird used condom thing the rp5 got

[copper sequoia]

They’re supposed to make an official tpu grip for the rp5. Not sure if it’ll be worth it w/ the tariffs tho

[sour ore]

functionality/performance wise, this is more or less the same as the rp5, isn't it?

[copper sequoia]

Depends on which chip you get

[sour ore]

I'd get the snapdragon one I imagine

[copper sequoia]

Then yeah same chip as the rp5

[random tulip]

Yeah. I preordered. But will just cancel if reviews are bad or it won't ship in time

[random tulip]

Like in a good or bad way 😆

[random tulip]

NM. Got it

[sour ore]

what's the battery life in that device?

I guess it varies a lot on these handhelds because you can do very different things with it, but I just wonder

[random tulip]

It should be basically the same as the rp5

[sour ore]

Yeah, I imagine, that's why I was asking about the rp5

I've never had one of these machines, I've always waited for "the next one" and so many come so fast...

[strange glen]

I think i am warming up to flip 2. The n3ds size is really attractive. It’s smaller than RP mini but has RP5 screen.

[sour ore]

that's one of the upsides of being a clamshell, you don't fight for space I suppose

it also pushes the screen closer to you, so you can have your hands/arms on a more relaxed pose

[strange glen]

Yeah its like a vertical

[sour ore]

in a way, yes

[strange glen]

And protects the screen when folded.

Just hope the hinge is good

[sour ore]

exactly, the format is one of my favourites. It has its weaknesses, like if they decide to use a cheaper hinge

although they said this time it will be much better than the flip 1

[copper sequoia]

Mine last like 4hrs or so give or take what I’m playing

[sour ore]

we'll see

and what type of games do you play?

[copper sequoia]

Rn mostly streaming or gba

[sour ore]

because from what I've read, 8-16 bit games can last a lot, but sixth gen games and such of course

ah, streaming

that makes sense

[copper sequoia]

Higher performance will get you closer to 2ish in my experience

[sour ore]

I don't think i would stream anything on it, or do something on the higher end often

[copper sequoia]

I’m hoping that you can display out with the device closed

[sour ore]

oh yeah, I hope you can, if you use a bluetooth controller or something

are the batteries on these things replaceable?

[copper sequoia]

No idea tbh

[naive hollow]

Guys are flip 2 shipping yet

[naive hollow]

Flip pro spotted

[copper sequoia]

That big brick on the bottom is the battery, so I’m assuming if you could find a replacement it’s fairly easy to replace

Yeah, curious as why it’s labeled pro. Wonder if they internally label the SD the pro model or they switched names half way through production

[sour ore]

It could be a case of changing the name as it is more than a pro version of the older flip?

[white prism]

Have they said how big the battery is? That one looks quite big and presumably bigger than the rp5s

[echo sapphire]

Same size

[white prism]

The base size looks tiny now they have someone with big hands holding it

Like

Anyone preordered one in the uk and can tell me what the shipping cost please? Just for a flip2

[naive hollow]

I bought the bundle

Icy blue flippy 2 and Saturn classic

[copper sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852

[random tulip]

Could also be 865 vs d1100

Might just be an internal nomenclature

[naive hollow]

True

[white prism]

15$ to uk

[spare anchor]

Man that that design on the top is hideous, wish it was just blank or said retroid

[naive hollow]

I might do a custom dickbutt engraving

[strange glen]

I am sure there will be stickers and other mods on Etsy later to make it cooler

[naive hollow]

Idk I kinda like it

[strange glen]

But yeah not sure what they are thinking about

[strange ivy]

It's unobtrusive enough to not care IMO.

[strange glen]

Do you think flip 2 is good for streaming?

Maybe better than rp5 with the stick on top.

[strange ivy]

Don't know. Not interested in streaming. I'm getting the Flip 2 to play GBA games and media consumption.

[fathom geyser]

Someone needs to make a gamecube jewel sticker for the front so I don’t have to 💀

[naive hollow]

that's half the reason I got one

the rp5 has good decode times and latency

[quiet reef]

Ice blue is a good choice, since we will be able to see the battery without opening it. Can catch early stages of spicy pillow

[naive hollow]

sexy ass handheld

[quiet reef]

^That too lol

I know people say “light bleed” will be an issue for rgb lights. I’m unaffected by that as I never use those useless lights lol

[tranquil elbow]

that's terrorism

[random tulip]

Had to ice blue it

Watermelon was one of the coolest flip 1s I owned

[naive hollow]

Icy blue gang gang

[random tulip]

And it looks dark enough to be an OK alt to black

[naive hollow]

It won’t likely be a smudgy mess either

[random tulip]

Yeah. There's that. Tho it's usually a problem I have less with retroid

[naive hollow]

Odin 2 absolutely murdered black handhelds for me

[copper sequoia]

I got ice 2 🧊

I’m hoping I can get BMO color buttons for it

https://tenor.com/view/bmo-bmo-dance-bmo-dance-moves-gif-11726277365838992069

[tacit latch]

I liked the LEDs bleeding on the transparent blue Odin 2

it looked the right kind of goofy for my taste

as long as you don't keep them on while you are out in the open lol

[strange glen]

Haven’t thought about playing GBA games on it before. I have Anbernic RG34XX for GBA games. Don’t you think the screen of Flip 2 / RP5 a bit too big for GBA games?

[strange glen]

Ice blue is really cool. Now I am really not sure which color to get.

[copper sequoia]

It integer scales pretty well imo. There’s a bit of black bars on the side but since it’s oled it’s not super noticeable… at least on the rp5 black model

[random tulip]

Not gonna lie. Colored buttons on ice would be pretty fire

[strange glen]

4.3 inch is actually not too big. Now I have even more reasons to get flip 2 LOL. Hope the dpad and face buttons are decent and the locations are comfortable.

[opaque harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336037750889250960/1358176346429198446/ice_blue_4b29c9c7-fcc1-4bb4-8a83-f8cf03b9cfd2_1024x10242x.webp?ex=67f2e3ca&is=67f1924a&hm=b0cbce352cdaa29c5ef723c2721be5709e4a9a4dbde884784a752b926039f270&

So assuming this render is correct thoughts on how the hinge looks?

[naive hollow]

Looks hingey

[strange glen]

I am not an expert but it looks pretty good to me. It has a lot of vertical supports to strengthen it

[copper sequoia]

Some insane reviewer is probably gonna bust it open to see what the hinge looks like on the inside

[naive hollow]

Tech dad

[strange glen]

The real photo looks similar to the render

[naive hollow]

That’s his thing

[random tulip]

Bendable

[copper sequoia]

Tech daddy

[random tulip]

Honestly the original flip looked like a hinge too. The problems usually come after you first open it

[strange ivy]

My eyes are getting old. I need a bigger screen

I have an Odin 2 but playing GBA on it feels too big.. Also have an RG406V and GBA is still too small for me. So this was a nice in between

Especially on integer scale

[quiet reef]

If you need help making up your mind on color, here’s this pic once again lol

[strange glen]

Still can’t decide lol

Need to see more video reviews. Hopeful many reviews will come out next week

[strange ivy]

US SNES if you have oily hands like I do. Least likely to show smudges

I’ll never buy a black device ever again

[strange glen]

Can’t decide to get RP5 or flip 2 either. Love the decide of RP5 better but RP5 is bigger and the glass front is smudgy and more fragile

[copper sequoia]

Did the watermelon flip have a textured plastic?

[strange ivy]

Fuck glass fronts 🤮

[strange glen]

It looks really nice but smudgy and fragile.

In a way, choosing between RP5 and Flip 2 is like choosing between PSP and DS Lite.

[strange ivy]

I’d go clamshell any day. More portable

[quiet reef]

Yup

[strange glen]

I like clamshell but don’t love the flip 2 design. Hope the review videos will convince me.

Flip 2 is also more unique. There are so many horizontal handhelds but not many clamshells. That’s one reason to get flip 2 over rp5. RP5 is not very different from a phone with a telescopic controller.

[quiet reef]

This. Horizontals will always be around and available but clamshells are not as common

[copper sequoia]

I love that

[wintry oxide]

The other nice thing about SD865 versions is the ability to run straight Linux, otherwise Android isn't that much better than adding a controller to your phone (though I appreciate having a dedicated device that can be customized for the task)

[strange glen]

That’s a good point. How’s rocknix running on RP5?

[wintry oxide]

Really well, though there are a few quirks that annoy people or some find unacceptable

[strange glen]

I like RetroAchievement and just learned that Dolphin on Android doesn’t support RetroAchievement yet but Linux version does.

[strange ivy]

I mean at the end of the day, you'd want a device (well at least for me) that's easy to bring around, performs well, and is comfortable to use. I think the Flip 2 might meet all of the above.

[strange glen]

So very curious about rocknix. Is dual boot complicated to setup?

[strange ivy]

My biggest issue with my Odin 2 is I can't be bothered bringing it anywhere, even when travelling

[wintry oxide]

Best part is dual boot works fine on SD865, so you don't actually have to choose, you can try both - though it is tricky to share storage between them, but some have figured that out too

[quiet reef]

RP5 is a great handheld. For me personally, I don’t like the stick placement. It makes a grip mandatory for me and I don’t really want to carry that around. Otherwise it’s an excellent choice

[rapid echo]

Odin 2 is too big for travel unless you have a backpack or something. Flip 2 will now be my travel handheld beside the rg35xxsp

[strange ivy]

Yeah Retroid definitely fucked up the stick placement for the RP5.

[strange glen]

Depends on what you want to play I guess. Stick on top will be better for 3d games but sounds like a lot of people get RP5 for 2D games too.

[wintry oxide]

I actually resisted the RP5, hoping for a Flip 2, so here I am 🙂
Been enjoying the mini though as I was never particularly bothered by the screen issue playing mostly PS2

[sacred kindle]

odin 2 mini?

[strange ivy]

For me, even with a backpack, I'm already bringing my laptop, my headphones, camera.. One less thing to put in it, the better

[strange ivy]

I would've gotten that if I didn't already own the Odin 2.

[sacred kindle]

damn

[strange glen]

Yeah. I used to carry my switch with hori split pro controllers for travels and I almost never took it out

More or less the same after I got a switch lite

[strange ivy]

Nah it's more the fact that the sticks aren't inset enough. So people with normal/small-sized hands will be touching the sticks by accident a lot when using the d-pad and ABXY buttons

[strange glen]

Right, that’s true as well.

Hope the flip 2 layout is better for both 3d and 2d games. Very curious about how they feel.

[strange ivy]

Yeah ditto. I mostly play d-pad centric games so hopefully it's fine

[quiet reef]

This is true as I feel the RP Mini is more comfortable to use

The RP5 is more comfortable to hold but the Mini is more comfortable to use lol if that makes any sense

Hopefully the Flip 2 is the best of both worlds

[strange ivy]

I can see dual-stick based games being comfy on the Flip 2. Just unsure about d-pad games.

[wintry oxide]

I find the RP mini quite comfy as well, though perhaps a little moreso for games where I use the sticks, though the d-pad is still pretty good too. Curious how the flip 2 layout will feel

[quiet reef]

I plan to use my Flip 1 for dpad games, Flip 2 for dual stick lol

[naive hollow]

I’ve seen more shattered RP5 faces than I’d like to

[strange ivy]

I have the Mini and while the controls and ergo's are comfy, it ain't comfy on these old eyes

I struggle to play games on smaller screens now.

[quiet reef]

This is my exact problem. I really want the Mini to be my main but the screen is a tad bit too small. I’m replacing it with the Flip 2

[wintry oxide]

Yeah, my main issue with the rpmini was I wished the screen was a little bigger 😅

[strange ivy]

Yeah. I even got the Anbernic RG406V and even then the screen ain't big enough for me.

The Flip 2 should be big enough for me.. Well based on the fact that I have the Odin 2 and that's "too big" for experiencing certain consoles

[quiet reef]

I knew the screen would be small but I didn’t anticipate it to bother me after 10 minutes or more of gameplay. No fault of the Mini. It’s an excellent little device but my aging eyes say otherwise lol

[naive hollow]

13” iPad Pro is 4:3

That big enough for ya

[strange ivy]

I'm not that blind (yet)

[gentle badge]

The new tandem OLED in the m4 is gorgeous too - 2752x2064 res

But yeah, a bit more expensive and less portable than the flip

[strange glen]

https://youtu.be/wcbCP6L9Hxo?si=HecVqikQbfdnI4r5 This video by Russ is really good. He basically offered many topics we talked about today: hinge issues of flip 1, dual screen for android, etc.

[random tulip]

Wish they didn't gimp the mini so much

Would be an awesome tablet to throw a controller on

[strange glen]

Actually Linux should support dual screen easily like windows right? If someone makes a dual screen device, it can run Linux instead of Android.

Russ also showed this interesting clamshell (GDP XD Plus (https://gpd.hk/gpdxdplus ) from 2018) that I haven't heard about before. looks very similar to 3DS when it's closed. and it has the same buttons/stick layout as flip 2

[gentle badge]

Linux if they give you a full desktop/window manager environment yes

Stripped down linux cfw that boots straight into ES not so much

[random tulip]

Yeah. Linux can run two screens. But the CFW would have to put in some lifting to make it behave in any way that's enjoyable

[gentle badge]

Like even steamOS doesn’t do dual screens in “gaming mode” only desktop mode

[random tulip]

Android has kind of solved this to some degree. Or there's at least forks of it that have

Having touch screen gestures is real nice for dual screens as well

I mean the duo did a great job. A duo with updated hardware and built in controls would be a banger

[strange ivy]

I feel like we're more likely to see a foldable android handheld sooner than we'll see a fully optimised dual screen android handheld

[gentle badge]

I think retroid (rightfully) believes that NDS emulation is too niche to compromise their one and only clamshell that most people are going to play psp, ps2, GameCube, etc on

But a producer like anbernic who makes a million form factors might make one eventually

[random tulip]

Probably. In my experience tho, games originally made for handhelds have the best handheld experience.

[gentle badge]

Since a second screen on the flip 2 would ruin the controller ergo, increase power consumption, and either make the thing way thicker or give you way less space for batteries and thermals

And $$$

[random tulip]

To be fair it could be wider

[gentle badge]

All to only improve NDS emulation, which I doubt is anywhere near the majority of what people want from them

[strange glen]

I talked about this earlier today. The second hand 3DS market is crazy right now so there are a lot of money to gain if someone can make a handheld that can do 3DS well.

[random tulip]

Wider and put the speakers on the sides of the screen on the lid

[gentle badge]

I agree that a dedicated NDS/3ds handheld would be a good fit, but retroid doesn’t make enough devices to go niche with them

That’s anbernic/magicX territory

[random tulip]

I really don't know how niche it'd be. I think a lot of people would play DS or utilize the second screen for watching streams, following guides, etc.

[plush silo]

MagicX is supposedly gonna make a clamshell that's between d900 and d1100 in power, or at least, that's what I heard

[gentle badge]

If you’re primarily buying a device for ps2, snes, gba, etc you aren’t going to buy something with two screens

[random tulip]

How many of us PC game with something streaming on a second screen. Or play handhelds with the TV on in the background. Or have our phone open to discord or googling secret locations. At the same time

[gentle badge]

And people by and large voted with their wallet they’d rather game on an ally X and use their phone to look up a walk through than buy an ayaneo flip DS

[random tulip]

All in one device and I'd use the shit out of it honestly. Especially if the software dimmed the second screen when not active

[random tulip]

C'mon. Let's not pretend those are comparable. Ally x is stronger and cheaper. Flip is Uber niche. Mostly cause the price

Plus Ayaneo price

A midrange with two screens would sell very well. Have people asking if they can play 3DS on the Ace

[plush silo]

I think the point was more that people will just use their phone to look things up as opposed to a second screen on a handheld

[random tulip]

It's just a lift that most makers don't want to support

[random tulip]

Because we just don't have that option

It's hard to say that's what people prefer when the second option isn't even available

[gentle badge]

I’d rather have to reach into my pocket for the second screen the 5% of the time I need it than be stuck dealing with it being there the 95% of the time I don’t

[plush silo]

I would honestly like the option to be able to turn off that second screen on a dual screen handheld for the times when I don't wanna use it nor need it

[random tulip]

Not me. Putting down my device to pull out my phone every time I need something else is distracting

[random tulip]

Exactly. I think that'd be a given if you wanted to make a dual screen device

And at that point it's just a clamshell

But the option is there if you want it. Supports 2 more systems with pretty extensive game logs.

[plush silo]

I definitely think eventually when DS and 3ds get too expensive to buy, the next thing will be buying a dual-screen handheld made by one of these retro/emu companies, and regardless of how niche it will likely be, really want someone to make a good dual-screen handheld that's not so ridiculously expensive

For the time being, I still have my New 2DS XL for that, but who knows how much longer it will last for me

[random tulip]

I think it's doable. The Ayaneo flip went full x86 and at that point it'd just way too expensive. Could be done on android

[random tulip]

And the old systems that are cheap are fine. Games just look way better with integer scaling and shaders

Shit. DS games on the XL look pretty garbage. Doesn't mean the games aren't good. The hardware is just kinda meh. Considering for the same price some of those systems cost now you could get an rp flip. The best one of the older systems as far as visuals go is also like $300+ at this point used

Unless you go to Japan

[naive hollow]

Where my icy blue flippy 2 bros at

gang gang

[south mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-gamecube-video-games-electronic-games-arcade-games-colecovision-gif-19897003

[jolly kayak]

Main reason I bought flip 2 is to play goodboy galaxy and super mario bros 3 on the go

On an oled panel

[copper sequoia]

What’s the genre of good boy?

Platformer?

[south mantle]

Yes

[strange ivy]

Good enough reason.

[quiet reef]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-ice-baby-vanilla-ice-lol-funny-trending-gif-16333381

[naive hollow]

This should be pinned

[opaque harbor]

huh looking at that one recent video on the flip 2 I assumed it would taper more

[steady osprey]

Who else has watched that BiliBili video like 14 times? lol

[opaque harbor]

I watched it one time

[opaque harbor]

The subtitles were not the best

[pseudo oracle]

i found out about emulation handhelds because an XD was listed on amazon in the 3DS category lol

[desert canyon]

just seeing the bilibili video. damn so chunky, and that lid design...oof. Otherwise, yeah, pumped

[random tulip]

Yeah. I could have lived without that lid design. Not against them in general. It just seems busy

[opaque harbor]

I am not a fan of the indent since it will collect dust but it is what it is

[random tulip]

I never minded the Alienware laptop lids. Or even Nvidia shield portable.

Some nice curves. Something svelte. Circle and squares seems like a lot

[quiet reef]

People seem to be surprised by the thickness of the Flip 2 lol like yeah it’s basically a folded RP5

That’s the trade off for having a smaller design

[opaque harbor]

I can picture cleaning the retroid logo of dust will be a pain

[random tulip]

I mean it's def also the recessed sticks

That recessing gotta go somewhere

[jolly kayak]

It's similar to animal well. Metroidbrania, platformer that also has a lot of puzzles

[south mantle]

The mic in the video obv wasn’t great so the sound test wasn’t exactly something to actually go by, but as is the Flip 2 100% sounded better than the RP5

Y’all are wild for saying otherwise

The RP5 was extremely tinny and hollow

The Flip 2 was way more balanced and full

[jolly kayak]

I couldn't tell

[south mantle]

We need someone with a good microphone and a decent sound isolation set up, but in the video as is, I couldn’t imagine ever saying the Flip 2 was worse

[strange ivy]

Flip 2 definitely sounded better to me IMO but then it's impossible to judge how speakers sound over a recording.

[copper sequoia]

I’ll have to get it, that’s right my ally

[jolly kayak]

They have a free demo you can try as well 🙂

[waxen jolt]

keep in mind

the OTA for the rp5 that fixes the EQ is currently only available if you manually flash (they had some stuff to fix so it's not actively going out to devices just yet)

it doesn't sound tinny after that

[opaque harbor]

I wonder how holding the rp flip 2 will be 🤔

[south mantle]

Oh I’m sure of that. I’m just saying that in that comparison saying that the Flip 2 sounded worse was wild

[opaque harbor]

I was kind of wary of how the flip 2 sounded in the video

[south mantle]

I wouldn’t read that much into it

It was a recording in a studio that likely wasn’t set up right

And who knows what mic was used

[opaque harbor]

hopefully that was just poor audio recording and youtube compression

[south mantle]

My main concern was the tone, which you can kind of get from videos regardless of the quality of the test

to a degree

That was fine with the Flip 2

[opaque harbor]

I noticed what sounded like static and crackling with the flip 2

[fathom geyser]

Ur trippin

[random tulip]

Wait. Are we still talking about the audio from the billi billi vid?

[opaque harbor]

yes

[random tulip]

Probably wise to hold all analysis til someone sets up an actual mic to capture stuff. Or at least a couple videos to compare to eachother

[opaque harbor]

which is why I said I hope it was just weirdness with the video 😅

[severe ridge]

it looks like it was recorded on a phone, no need to think too deep in the audio

[opaque harbor]

I did notice that

[south mantle]

Yea. We need someone with real standardized capability

[opaque harbor]

I am waiting on that video from russ

[quiet reef]

Russ video probably drops Tuesday/Wednesday

He mentioned his package is set to arrive Monday iirc

[opaque harbor]

can't wait to see what we see in the video

[sour ore]

Cool, I hope it's a solid build

[opaque harbor]

do we know if you can find the rp flip 2 battery?

like looking for a replacement battery

[sour ore]

I asked for that but I don't know if it's purchaseable somewhere

[strange ivy]

Gotta assume and treat these devices like disposables; once the battery's dead, the device is scrap. Batteries are one of the most restrictive things to ship

[steady osprey]

Joey should be doing a livestream Monday with his

[sour ore]

I'd rather make the effort to find the battery than trash an entirely good device first, things are already bad enough e-waste wise with so many devices releasing all the time. Besides, I have ds systems from 20 years ago that still work fine, my phone has continuous use for years and still works fine, I imagine the battery for these things can work correctly for quite a few years too.

It's not like is going to be on all the time like a phone, that I suppose will take a lot of stress out of the battery

one thing I wonder with these devices, though, is that if you can both charge it while outputting to a tv, I imagine you can't

but if you could, you could still use it as a small home console too

once the battery has difficulty holding charge

[white prism]

The mini and rp5 couldn’t charge and output at the same time I don’t think

[strange glen]

I have a GameShell that I bought 5 years ago and the battery died. Good thing is that it uses old Nokia phone batteries and I could easily find on Amazon for 5 bucks.

And for handhelds that have big circulation like Nintendo or Sony, there are always people making replacement batteries. But retro handhelds is so niche that I don’t think this would be the case.

[strange ivy]

Yeah ideally we wouldn't trash these products when the battery dies. And ideally these companies would use more easily-to-find batteries. But that hasn't been the case for most of these handhelds IME. Just gotta take care of them the best you can to extend lifespan (e.g. never fully charging all the time, never draining fully all the time)

[sour ore]

I see

[strange ivy]

I have an app on all my Android devices to notify me when my device is 80% charged or at 20% battery life. Just so I can prolong the battery's lifespan

[sour ore]

those are the "safe" numbers?

Looking at the retroid page, there's a dock that seemingly can charge and has an hdmi out

it's the first time I see it

[strange ivy]

General best practice with rechargeable Li-on/Li-poly batteries.

[sour ore]

so getting them to let's say 90% when charging is not good?

I usually remove them when they're 90/95%

[strange ivy]

I'd say 90% should still be fine but 95% is a bit much.

[sour ore]

I see

[strange ivy]

I only charge to 100% if I know I'm going on a trip and being frugal with my power bank.

[sour ore]

and playing while charging supposes any problem to them?

[strange ivy]

Playing + charging generates more heat, which also degrades battery life

[sour ore]

aha

[strange ivy]

You should be either playing or charging, never both, to prolong battery life.

[sour ore]

I'll have to test that with my new 2ds, i've never seen it get warm doing that

of course there's a big difference between that and these devices

[strange ivy]

I mean if a device is extremely well designed where the processor and battery are far apart, it shouldn't be a problem.

[sour ore]

that's good to know!

[strange glen]

If fully charged is really not that great, the manufacturers should just do an offset and make fully charged to be 90% or so.

I didn’t mean I don’t believe what you say, I just think that the phones should have features to prolong the battery life

But thinking about it more, it’s actually not in the manufacturers’ interest to prolong the life time of their devices

[strange ivy]

Every device should. Even the iPhone has a limiter now.

[strange glen]

Apparently fast charging reduces battery life too. Now I appreciate Anbernic devices don’t support fast charging

[sour ore]

My phone for example enters a slower charging speed at 95 around, and I would swear my n2ds charges the last 6% slower too, even on a new battery (official) that I swapped a few months ago

[strange ivy]

Yeah faster charging creates more heat unfortunately so that kills the battery capacity and lifespan over time.

[strange ivy]

IIRC battery percentage calculations aren't linear so the last 5-10% of charging doesn't exactly mean it's literally filling up the last 5~10%

[strange glen]

It’s a fascinating topic. I always thought the battery percentage is calculated from voltage-capacity curve but apparently mobile phones use more advanced methods now: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/144914/how-does-a-smart-phone-measure-battery-percentage

There is a dedicated fuel gauge IC for this job

[dense heart]

I never understood the whole fast charging kills capacity it should stop feeding too much juice once it hits a certain temp

it slows down so much once you hit a certain point too... nothing wrong with fast charging as long as it's properly managed. (Disclaimer: I'm not saying you should fast charge your gaming handhelds unless you have faith it's properly managed a lot of these devices use cheap parts)

going over 70-80% and/or under 20-30% on a regular basis is more likely to cause capacity loss

[white prism]

Man I hope this thing has a nice hinge, think I may pick one up if it does.. really want one now 🤣

Anyone know how big a screen you get for vertical shmups on its screen? I’d also be tempted to have it on its side and use a Bluetooth controller sometimes for these games

[tranquil elbow]

Counterpoint: using your device from 80% to 20% when it's new

Is like having a device with 60% of the original battery capacity, but from the start

So you're using 60% of the battery to preserve 100 battery capacity which you'll never use?

[sage moat]

Big missed opportunity not having the charging port up top

[tranquil elbow]

Yeah bottom charging ports are a pain

[sage moat]

I mean it'll likely be fine it just works well where it is on the ds family, very out of the way I bet they had issues and had to compromise with the bottom charging port

[vital belfry]

Meanwhile they put it on top with the classic

While doing the same for the headphone jack

[sage moat]

Fumbling hard

[dense heart]

That's the nature of it. It's impendence you need to worry about once a battery ages enough below 80% capacitance it might not be able to provide consistent enough power.

[sage moat]

Verticals don't need top ports ever

[sour ore]

Yeah they aren't. If I had x% when turning off my n2ds for example, next time i turn it on it differs, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.

Going from 50 to 54 for example

[strange ivy]

Counter-counter point. That “60%” used might actually represent 80% of the total capacity since battery percentage calcs aren’t linear

[dense heart]

well I mean they have to account for cell loss which can only be measured once its filled and there are like numerous other variables that can change a battery's %

[tranquil elbow]

Doesn't change the concept of it

[strange ivy]

At the end of the day I would rather have a battery that has a longer lifespan than to keep stressing the battery out, especially since there’s little to no guarantee to find a replacement battery for a device

Once a battery is dead and there’s no replacement, the device is just scrap.

[rigid thicket]

If you're lucky the device won't be wired dumb and will work plugged in with the battery removed.

Doesn't apply to modern phones unless you're willing to take it apart, but for stuff with accessable batteries it's an option.

[dense heart]

We actually kind of suck at making really good batteries. I'll give scientists a pat of the back for 95% efficiency with li-ion tho

[sour ore]

I guess one could ask retroid in the case of flip 2 if buying a battery is possible.

[tranquil elbow]

retroid is really good at providing spare parts for self repairs, I had to change the screen of my RP2, just mailed them and they sent me a new one

[sour ore]

That sounds great

[dense heart]

the fact they have parts still for something that came out 5 years(?) ago is very comforting

[tranquil elbow]

this wasnt now though 🤣 sorry for the confusion. It was in 2022 or so

[random tulip]

Just as a counter point I needed a replacement trigger for a flip one, asked for any color and they said they no longer had flip parts. So ymmv

[dense heart]

rip

[tranquil elbow]

at least the battery on the flip2 looks really easy to replace

unless it's glued in place like the steam deck

[naive hollow]

But are replacements easy to get ?

[tranquil elbow]

they are for "current" stuff

[random tulip]

Yeah. Retroid is at least ok handing em over when they have em

[sour ore]

So you could try and buy one around now. But then having it years collecting dust might not be a great idea

[random tulip]

You're not like, shipping your device back to get em installed like some companies...

[tranquil elbow]

that would kinda defeat the purpose of a new battery

[sour ore]

Exactly

[dense heart]

hmm what is the shelf life I wonder

[tranquil elbow]

worse than the life inside a machine I think. Batteries really dont like to stay at the same charge for long, expecially empty

so the only option where it'd be feasible would be getting 2 batteries and switching them out like once a month, but jfc that just sounds miserable

I'd rather just enjoy my handheld

[sour ore]

I agree

[dense heart]

by that point you'd want a new shiny

[tranquil elbow]

very likely

a phone battery that goes through a recharge cycle every day, sometimes multiple times a day (I play hsr on my phone) lasts me 4-5 years

and after that it doesnt blow up, its just noticeably holds less charge, still usable

so Im not losing sleep over it

hell the phone before this one I used 6 and a half year, and yes, I could tell the battery lasted less but it was still very usable day to day

[sour ore]

I personally am not into wanting a new thing everything so ofte, and don't like to think about devices as easily replaceable.

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier

[tranquil elbow]

5-6 years isn't often imho haha

[sour ore]

My ds lites still work fine all this time later, my phone has 4 years and still holds well

A gaming device will get far less stress

Since 2010 I've only had 3 phones myself lol

[tranquil elbow]

to be fair to nintendo, their batteries are black magic

[dense heart]

it also depends on the device too I hear what your saying with phones I also kind of expect those to be more resilient. But something less expensive like my wireless mouse I yolo'd that and I ended up replacing that battery after just two years.

[tranquil elbow]

I remember years ago finding one of my DSs that I hadnt used in years, I turned it on and it still had 60% battery lol

[tranquil elbow]

my only spicy pillow was a bluetooth tablet keyboard

but I paid like

6€ for it, so I wasnt super mad.

[sour ore]

Honestly, wireless mouse degrade (specially the wheels) far faster than the batteries in my experience, but I never got an expensive one...

[random tulip]

Li ion is pretty known. Best to store them 40-50% charge at room temp with little temp fluctuation. And they'll last a while. You just need to charge them occasionally to keep them at those levels

[tranquil elbow]

I dont use wireless stuff for my pc cause I find charging them incredibly annoying

[floral pebble]

As much as chinese handhelds have improved I wouldn't expect most of these flips to last 6+ years

[tranquil elbow]

my rp2 is still pristine tho

and my GPD Win (1st gen) still works flawlessly too. Maybe they lost some battery charge, not sure

and that thing must be 10 years old now

[random tulip]

I've had battery packs for stuff that are pretty old but still have a good charge for stuff (RC). Just need to buy a charger with the right connector and plug them in every 6 months or something to get them back to 40-50

That said it's an additional chore. Heh

[tranquil elbow]

I have too many things with batteries to keep up with all of them

[floral pebble]

But are you still using them? Or just maintaining them over that time?

[tranquil elbow]

I dont use the RP2 anymore, I do use my GPD win sometimes

[random tulip]

Yeah. I totally get that

That said, you can always make your own battery pack, or buy one that's close enough to fit as long as there's enough room and the device uses a standard connector. Some don't... Cough Ayn Cough

[dense heart]

can it be any capacity or does it need to be close enough?

[strange glen]

I just saw the official dock has pass through charging and hdmi output. So we can at least use it that way if the battery died.

[naive hollow]

Yeah I’d rather keep something like flippy 2 for a few years at least

Cuz who knows if retroid will make flippy 3

[plush silo]

I plan to keep the Flip 2 for several years, and then I’ll either get a Flip 3 (or 4 if it’s a thing by the time I’d want to upgrade) or get a different company’s clamshell if someone else like AYN or just any other company has made a better mid to high range clamshell

[tranquil elbow]

Im sure the battery will be totally fine for "several years" barring spicy pillows

[naive hollow]

Hopefully

[plush silo]

Hope so as well.
I’m not buying the Flip 2 on release, so I have plenty of time to see if there ends up being any major issues with any aspect of the device

[strange ivy]

Just gotta remember, shipping batteries is far more restrictive. I know some stores/brands refuse to ship batteries unless enclosed in a device just to circumvent restrictions i.e. you’re buying a new device.

[sour ore]

I'd like to wait and see myself too but I fear the prices rising, so I don't know what I'll do

buying a second device to use the battery?

[naive hollow]

I preordered to hopefully get in before tariffs and also since I haven’t been on a hype train since the Odin 2 mini

[sour ore]

I haven't bought an emulation handheld yet so I have no idea how the deal goes, I've just bought batteries from Nintendo and that might be a different experience.

[strange ivy]

Yeah a lot of postal services have regulations and restrictions, sometimes flat out bans on shipping batteries

[sour ore]

oh wow

[plush silo]

I’m concerned about that myself, so it’s gonna depend on how much it goes up by, but depending on how good the device itself is, I may be willing to buy it at a higher price anyways

[floral pebble]

They do that with RC batteries sometimes. They just put it in some cheapo toy for shipping

[plush silo]

Thought it could potentially mean I may have to buy the D1100 instead of the SD865 if the D1100 ends up substantially cheaper than the latter after price raises

Ideally still want the SD865

[strange ivy]

A battery is essentially a bomb if not stored and secured properly

[sour ore]

the d1100 supposedly has better battery life, but the snapdragon offers better emulation for high-end platforms isn't it?

[plush silo]

It does yes

[naive hollow]

Yup

[sour ore]

yeah, i suppose it's true, Zephir0th

[naive hollow]

D1100 is also a much newer chip

[sour ore]

newer but less powerful?

[naive hollow]

Yeah

[sour ore]

I guess another advantage of the snapdragon by being older is better support by homebrewers

[naive hollow]

Not weaker by much, just also doesn’t have the famed SD driver support

[sour ore]

I see

[naive hollow]

The benchmarks aren’t really that far off

It’s just a similar case of arc vs Radeon graphics

[vital belfry]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xprSd1fL0yw?si=KjXEgsaQz8Gd7Y-O

[naive hollow]

Radeon has much better driver support

[coral valley]

Oh shit

[naive hollow]

Ooga booga

[coral valley]

Already?

[plush silo]

👀

[vital belfry]

Joey would have had his as well if it weren’t for dhl

So we we joey and stubbs on Monday instead

[sour ore]

cool, let's see how it fares

[plush silo]

Waiting to see how Ice Blue looks as it’s my personal favorite judging off of photos and renders, but man the Black model looks so good…

[sour ore]

I wouldn't mind any of the four, after a while I don't pay attention to how it looks

[strange ivy]

The black look glossy-ish i.e. fingerprint magnet

[sour ore]

love the GC colors often used on these, but it plays with my mind because of the button layout

doesn't help either when your'e using a controller with one button layout and the game uses another (like a nintendo controller for a dreamcast game)

or xbox controller for a nintendo/dreamcast game

[rigid thicket]

It does look way more comfortable with non-tiny hands.

Not stretching to reach the dpad/buttons as much.

[plush silo]

Yeah, think the color options on Flip 2 are better overall than what the RP5 had, though would’ve been nice to have also had a Watermelon option for the Flip 2 x3

[sour ore]

watermelon?

[plush silo]

The transparent red color Flip 1 had

[sour ore]

ah yeah

[plush silo]

I might’ve misremembered the name, but I think that’s it

[sour ore]

that reddish transparent

[vital belfry]

Still need to see more but yes it looks great

[sour ore]

I find very amusing how people still love translucent shells on consoles but the big companies never ever use them anymore

It's just white or black these days, but I still have memories of n64 ads showing different colors and being so eyecatching

[vital belfry]

Flashy colors are mostly used on cheaper things these days

[sour ore]

yup...

[rigid thicket]

It's probably just not worth the cost compared to actual purchasers.

[vital belfry]

Black and white colors are often the safest bet for higher end stuff

[strange ivy]

Probably because they don’t want to be sued for using more fragile material

[sour ore]

At least the wii got a couple colors I suppose, but that's... almost 20 years ago, my god

right, the translucent plastic is more brittle I read

[rigid thicket]

Like, they obviously have the numbers on what colours sell well. If the translucent stuff sold well enough they'd keep doing them.

[sour ore]

...or you just want to cut all costs possible to gain more profits

[rigid thicket]

Or even other colours than black/white.

[strange ivy]

Especially when exposed to sunlight/UV. Makes them far more brittle over time

[rigid thicket]

Well, yeah, if you want a thing you'll settle for black or white since they're neutral anyway, ahaha.

[naive hollow]

It’s mostly a dead aesthetic these days

Hence why we only see it on devices made to pull our nostalgia strings

[rigid thicket]

Skins and stuff are pretty easy to produce/put on these days too anyway.

[strange ivy]

It’s slowly coming back.. Thanks to Nothing. Even Apple made a translucent Beats TWS this time around.

[sour ore]

dead on a corporate level yeah I agree, but there's still quite a few people making and selling shells for older consoles with those translucent colors

[naive hollow]

I always found the brittle translucent plastic thing funny… like I have GBAs that are still going strong to this day

[plush silo]

My older brother swapped the shells on one of the Switch’s Joycons we have out with a transparent purple color

Looks really nice

[strange ivy]

Mainly depends on how much sun exposure and the quality of the plastic used

[sour ore]

While I don't necessarily see them as cooler than other options I really do miss the variety of colors on consoles, the GBC also had a pretty nice selection

[vital belfry]

That things plastic is really thicc though because you don’t have to worry about, space, battery thermals and portability

[naive hollow]

True

Nuking any plastic by letting it bake in the sun for days will be bad tho

[vital belfry]

Look at the screen to body ratio for example

[naive hollow]

It’s mostly plastic quality

[vital belfry]

Of course

[sour ore]

I have a transparent blue gba too, and the plastic seems to be just fine

[strange ivy]

I think early Nintendo didn’t cheap out with plastics since they knew kids would be playing the GBC/GBA.

[naive hollow]

Yeah my gba and n64 are fine too this day

[rigid thicket]

I guess it's just more noticeable/worse on translucents since the sun penetrates all at once instead of just surface level degradation.

[naive hollow]

Yellowing is the more obvious sign

[sour ore]

yes

but other plastics can yellow too, look at the snes

[naive hollow]

I’m sure my glacier GBA isn’t as glacier as it was when it was new

[tranquil elbow]

omg habemus flip 2?

[fathom geyser]

The mould and the type of plastic. I bet in a decade you still will rarely see any cracked transparent 2S’s in the wild, if any

[naive hollow]

I hope so