Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[echo lynx]

How well did it do gamecube?

[mystic void]

Poorly, but people coped with it

[limpid ledge]

Gamecube it's not that good

[wooden phoenix]

The flip 1 is still a great handheld lol. This flip won't change that.

[random tulip]

Yup. I'll just stick with 1

[limpid ledge]

But dc ps1 and n64 was perfect for t618

[echo lynx]

The helio p65 is right round that level right/

[echo lynx]

What bout ds?

[limpid ledge]

Nah t618 is way better but it's did poorly

[random tulip]

Like I said, there's other options. Many cheaper ones, to get GC+ if it ends up costing $300

[wooden phoenix]

Yeah thank God for the flip 2. We can FINALLY play PS2. 🤣

[limpid ledge]

Yeah ds as well

[echo lynx]

Damn

[random tulip]

I'll live with my flip 1s otherwise

[limpid ledge]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[sacred kindle]

pitch perfect ps2 gaming for sub 300$ is still a mindblowing deal tbh
especially now with a clamshell form factor

[plush silo]

Lowkey think keeping older devices for longer should be normalized more in general.
If you're already happy with your Flip 1, then keep gamin' on it king 👑

[limpid ledge]

Exactly Rp4pro Rp mini Rp5 Rpflip 2

[mystic void]

"perfect"

[plush silo]

I don't always feel a need to get newer stuff, especially if said newer stulff has things I don't like about it

[random tulip]

Well let me tell you how you can get it for just $200 and slightly bigger pockets 😆

[limpid ledge]

Not that perfect but it is damn great

[sacred kindle]

isn't rp4pro perfect enough for that?

[mystic void]

Perfect enough lol

Either you are perfect or you are not, and that's fine. It's really good, it's not perfect

[sacred kindle]

i'll probably end up playing some game adaptation of a show instead of god of war either way 💀

[wooden phoenix]

Perfect "enough" 🤣 something is either perfect or it isn't. There aren't degrees of perfect. Pick up a dictionary lol

[limpid ledge]

For gamecube tho it's perfect gamecube

[plush silo]

Are we really arguing semantics over word choice? Lol

[random tulip]

How they price it. And how many the plan to sell, really depends on whether we think we'll see an rp6 this year. If not, and the flip and vert are going to be their stars for 2025 I expect them to be priced pretty aggressively. Otherwise an rp6 will just instant outshine their sales

[versed vigil]

I can’t tell whether Retroid’s fixed GPU drivers for the 3+ were a blessing or a curse for that stuff. At least until Gamma ported them to the 405/505 devices.

[limpid ledge]

Blessing

[mystic void]

I will always argue on how we word performance because it's critical to people making a purchasing choice. Too many people overblow performance/ experience

[limpid ledge]

Because retroid was the first induction for high , medium and low performance in andorid device

[tall lichen]

Alright we need to petition to have retroid send d1100 dev units to Citron and Sudachi devs along with dolphin devs

[versed vigil]

Oh, by that I meant specifically in regard to the arguments. In general? They were absolutely a blessing.

[limpid ledge]

In general absolutely Blessing

[tall lichen]

Get those optimized for Mali and they could outperform the 865

[plush silo]

I can understand that, but I didn'lt think it was such a strong statement for them to say it's "perfect". Wasn't thinking it was literal, or that they didn't just mean for them specifically x3

[versed vigil]

Ok, let’s not get crazy here.

[limpid ledge]

Otherwise Gamma wouldn't port Gamma os for anbernic and basically save them

[random tulip]

Haha true

[versed vigil]

Dolphin is to this day is optimizing for Mali, and the 865 still outperforms the D1100.

[tall lichen]

Drivers are the only reason 865 is better if Mali had more support on paper it is better

[limpid ledge]

Basically that

But it's good performance

[versed vigil]

Nope, on paper they’re pretty much the same and it’s the fact you can use better drivers that make the 865 better.

[sweet shuttle]

Is that not what was said?

[limpid ledge]

It's the benefits that make the difference for people

The performance is not the issue

[versed vigil]

They were saying that all devs need to do is optimize for Mali and the D1100 would actually be better than 865, even though even Snapdragon’s default drivers aren’t always the best for games.

[mystic void]

To someone not in the know, they take it literally genuinely. See how many people got disappointed at even the Odin 1 GameCube experience. People over-hyped it because it was the first decent GameCube device. Or people getting a t618 for "decent" or "good" gcn

[limpid ledge]

👆🏾👆🏾

[versed vigil]

If they optimize for Mali, it would make gameplay better than it currently is, but it wouldn’t solve the issue of being unable to use different drivers for different situations.

[plush silo]

Good point.
I myself have seen that happen way too often online, people just taking things like that very literal. Not just with tech, but just in general

[abstract garnet]

News

[limpid ledge]

Oh we already way the past that you are late

[versed vigil]

That’s not even getting into the part where this statement is suggesting that the default Mali drivers are actually good, and it’s solely just emulators not optimizing for them that make it not good.

Even when that is outright proven false by literally every dev that’s worked with Mali GPU’s on open source chip firmwares like the RK3566.

[abstract garnet]

Ah

[random tulip]

S865 just better. And could be even better

Let's stay on the ball here. The more s865 we get out there, the more optimization that comes with it

s865 on everything!

Toasters, toothbrushes

s865 master race

[sweet shuttle]

I'd definitely like to see more devices using it
Hopefully Retroid doesn't have a monopoly on the remaining stock of it

[random tulip]

True. I hope there's more out there

[limpid ledge]

They have to deal with Qualcomm

Make*

[stray dagger]

just use the SD870 already

or SD888

[random tulip]

Id hope for larger leaps then unoptimized crawls

[tall lichen]

I'm taking the approach it's easier to get the emulator devs units than find people to build custom drivers for d1100. Obviously the latter would be better but developing custom Mali drivers isn't really a thing...

[random tulip]

SD8 gen 2

[limpid ledge]

The problem is the company has to make the deal with unisoc dimesnity and Qualcomm

[tall lichen]

To far

[random tulip]

Or not far enough?

[stray dagger]

7+Gen2 or 8sGen3 would make more sense tbh

[tall lichen]

Maybe when ayn uses the 8 elite 3

[versed vigil]

The problem with Mali was never the GPU itself (the physical GPU chips are actually relatively decent), it was solely the default drivers it includes, and the vast majority of chipsets with Mali have them locked down to hell and back.

You literally cannot swap in new drivers for Mali without cracking the device on the kernel level to allow swapping them.

[stray dagger]

SD8Gen2 is pretty expensive compared to those

[limpid ledge]

Exactly

[scenic relic]

so which of them is better on battery

[limpid ledge]

Sd865

Even D1100 have decent battery life

[random tulip]

Pretty sure that'll be the Odin 3? I doubt they'd skip to gen 4

[tall lichen]

Got it so we petition Mali to unf@#$ themselves

[versed vigil]

Yeah, and until then no amount of optimization will make Mali suddenly good, it’ll just be less awful to work around.

[random tulip]

And I'm guessing an Odin 3 line is on the horizon. Odin 2 beat to death at this point

[stray dagger]

there seems lil to no need for an Odin 3 tbh

[limpid ledge]

Hell if Anbernic use D1100 or sd865 it would be good for them

[random tulip]

Except to sell to us junkies

[limpid ledge]

But ayn is basically in their own league

[stray dagger]

at that price point even the junky in me shrugs it off if there is no real reason to grab it

and it's honestly hard to justify any Android device beyond the Odin 2 Portal Pro

[random tulip]

At what price point tho? Like upgrading the soc wouldn't necessarily have to be that much more expensive

[random tulip]

Eh. You get more of each catalog to run better

[stray dagger]

there is nothing that is held back by the power of an SD8gen2

we need better emulators

[tall lichen]

I'm not sure the point of O3 yet plus they haven't made the Odin TV yet

[versed vigil]

Nah, Odin 2 Flip, and maybe an Odin 2: Deck Edition that’s optimized to support ARM-Windows and ARM-Linux (plus NVMe swappable storage) if they’re feeling particularly wacky.

[random tulip]

Lol. Is that a thing?

[stray dagger]

Odin 2 Flip could actually happen

[limpid ledge]

Only thing ayn will go forward is arm windows for pc gaming budget one

[limpid ledge]

That one as well

[tall lichen]

In my dreams 😭

[versed vigil]

Be honest here, do you think they wouldn’t if enough people Morbius-ed them into thinking it’s in high demand?

[stray dagger]

an SD8g2 TV box would be lunatic

[waxen jolt]

think they actually went and did that but only on their latest chipsets

[stray dagger]

just grab a mini PC at half the price with the same power

[random tulip]

@tall lichen will lead the charge!

[young fulcrum]

Why the d1100

Lol

[versed vigil]

Come on, it worked on Sony, maybe it’ll work on Ayn!

[stray dagger]

too many RP4 pro SoCs left over

[young fulcrum]

[versed vigil]

We’ll never know if it works until we try, Odillion dollars are in the making here!

[young fulcrum]

Wonder how they will price bracket it in that case

[versed vigil]

Yeah, in all seriousness the main thing ARM has going for it in terms of handhelds is the fact it’s more power efficient than X86. Once we’re in TV box territory, x86 is flat out better because constant power supply is where x86 outright thrives.

[tall lichen]

I've been beating that drum for a while I wanted the Odin 3 to basically be an Odin portal with Snapdragon 8 elite Then, I wanted an enclosure to put my 8 gen2 board in and flash an Android TV OS on it The best TV box right now it's the Nvidia Shield and it is 8 years old

[echo lynx]

Mhm ya

[young fulcrum]

Pretty much

And if you have a decent enough ewaste place you can get some serious power out of a micro on the cheap

[limpid ledge]

Exactly

[scenic relic]

so its just 5 colorways thats been confirmed so far?

[versed vigil]

4 actually.

[limpid ledge]

I swear it's 4

[unkempt ferry]

Just 4 colors

[scenic relic]

oh so the gc didnt count

[versed vigil]

No it did.

[tall lichen]

Bro, they showed the GameCube one on their post

[limpid ledge]

Nah the gc is there

[scenic relic]

ahhh

my bad

[unkempt ferry]

That’s plenty of options

[scenic relic]

must be thinking of a red one

[stray dagger]

it's funny how green the ICE BLUE looks in that render

[limpid ledge]

They will never do red again

If you know

[scenic relic]

how does it usually look?

[north grove]

I wish the purple was clear...

[sacred kindle]

didn't grow up on GC but it looks super clean here

[stray dagger]

the plastic will be 100% the same as used for the RP3+/RP4(pro) and that is way more blue-ish

it's called ICE BLUE not ICE GREEN after all

[tall lichen]

I play my GC in retro game Corp style so it doesn't work for me

[scenic relic]

torn between ice blue and black, black obviously for stealth look and 4:3 content illusion

[limpid ledge]

It's like red rose white ceiling

[limpid ledge]

Same

[versed vigil]

I still don’t get the logic for that layout. Literally every time I tried using it, it just felt wrong in outright the same way that playing any N64 port on Nintendo Switch felt (the one where A and B were…on A and B, not on B and Y).

[mystic void]

I'm definitely rgc layout too. How I've always set it up

[limpid ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/guardiola-pep-guardiola-gif-25718212

Russ in gc layout

Tactical retro masterclass

[polar whale]

is the screen a touch screen?

gotta be werid to be a ds form factor with no touch lol

[tall lichen]

MVP baseball 2005 made it click for me and I can't go back now.

[mystic void]

To me it doesn't feel right if x and y don't go around a. X and y to the left of a feels gross to me

[young fulcrum]

I think the only system I have a problem with controls wise

Is Saturn

[random tulip]

VirtualBoy here

[true zodiac]

There's also a new sd6 gen 4 now, effectively the same as the previous sd7 gen, but it would presumably be cheaper and have longer support

[random tulip]

Isnt the battery life on the sd6 like crazy good too? Like doubling?

[true zodiac]

depends what it is being compared to presumably

sd6 to sd7 in same gen year probably wouldn't be that big a gap

[mystic void]

I actually can't get the GC color cause of how much the button colors feel wrong to me lol

[coral valley]

I'm super mixed between getting the black or the blue colors

Usually I prefer black but man that blue looks so good

[true zodiac]

the colours on these gc models all seem off, it is like a random nod to that system without wanting to really use them

[coral valley]

I'm not really seeing what's different between the two, they look pretty similar

[random tulip]

It'll be the same plastic as the RP5 most likelt

[shadow robin]

Why

[rigid thicket]

I think Sport Red was a glossy finish which was a nightmare for fingerprints and smudging, ahaha.

[limpid ledge]

On flip 2 I mean

[shadow robin]

But, why, what don't I know

[coral valley]

Whatever red plastic the trimui brick uses would look good for the flip 2

[limpid ledge]

Oh flip 1 red version had most broken hinge

[shadow robin]

I see

[icy bramble]

No transparent green or black + red why live

[rigid thicket]

Funnily, transparent Watermelon had the least broken hinge reports even though transparent plastic is typically weaker.

[limpid ledge]

Yh that's surprising thing

[versed vigil]

Well they’re gonna have the proper green color for the A Button this time “thanks to Zu, and totally not anyone else that’s commented on it”.

[jagged blade]

Can we have mod pin all the new info.

[versed vigil]

Funny enough, that actually makes sense in terms of what you see in the Gameboy Aftermarket shell.

Transparent usually is better quality plastic in the case of those (although that’s moreso because of opaque plastic options usually being lower quality), and apparently it’s the same here.

[naive hollow]

Do we know price yet or no

[sweet shuttle]

Nay

Only speculation

[naive hollow]

[tropic surge]

whens flip 2 v2 with dpad up top coming

[versed vigil]

When we get a Flip 2 V2 with the Face Buttons up top as well.

[white prism]

I’m waiting for v3 with keyboard

[rigid thicket]

V4 with a second screen.

[ocean cedar]

Oh god. SNES version. I’m cooked

[naive hollow]

I might get ice blue

[fathom geyser]

Sport red was the one that broke constantly, watermelon red was one of the least effected, and they went back to it for the 4/4P

[rigid thicket]

I wonder if the gloss coating/finish made it worse somehow.

Structurally anyway. Definitely worse after touching it for 0.000001 seconds.

[naive hollow]

Gotta wait for dates and prices tho

[fathom geyser]

There was rumor that it was a misprint/mistake in the factory and that’s why they limited to 1,500 of them

[limpid ledge]

Ahhh

[stray dagger]

neat

[rigid thicket]

Gonna have to start refreshing the website 24/7 starting March if they stick to their "pre-orders early March" statement.

Especially if supply of the SD865 version might be an issue.

[echo lynx]

Spare me

[plush silo]

I'm likely not buying this until the Fall. Other stuff that are priorities for my family and I atm x)
This will make an excellent bday gift for myself. Maybe will even be able to get it off Aliexpress by then, or so I hope

[rigid thicket]

I'm just full FOMO from missing the Flip 1, ahaha.

[plush silo]

I don't think I even knew what Retroid was at all until the Flip 1 was already sold out completely and no longer in production

[copper burrow]

I really should not buy more, given i just had to fork out for an oled deck 😄

[tropic surge]

just in case you all wanted to see what perfection looks like

[rigid thicket]

Most of us shouldn't be buying more to be fair.

[tropic surge]

dont tell me how to live my life!

[plush silo]

I'm just looking to upgrade from my R36S :p

[rigid thicket]

Black outer shell with that transparent blue inner shell would be pretty neat.

[tight gazelle]

Ao are we guessing 170$ rp flip to d1100 and 200$ rp flip 2 snapdragon?

It doesn't have the glass front on any of them and prices on the older chipset should go down?

[tropic surge]

200 and 250 is my guess

or 200 and 225

og flip had a premium over the rp3

[coral valley]

250 is excessive

[tight gazelle]

10$ premium?

[knotty badger]

Given the prices, would it be ok if just stuck with my rp5?

The specs

[tropic surge]

dont recall excact figures got mine used much later

[knotty badger]

I meant the specs

[plush silo]

$180 and $220 would be ideal, but really just needs to have the SD865 model not be too pricy, and for the D110 model to have a worthwhile enough price reduction from the SD865

[tropic surge]

yes

youre not missing anything

[coral valley]

I mean yeah that's up to you isn't it

[rigid thicket]

I think we can expect at least a $10 premium. More complicated to put together + New Shiny Tax, but no glass front.

[knotty badger]

I'll just stick with my rp5 then. Thanks y'all

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, you're getting the Flip only if you want the form factor.

[ocean cedar]

I need a companion for my rp5.

Looks at SNES flip intently

[coral valley]

Isn't the rp5 supposed to be the companion device?

That's how I view it at least

[tropic surge]

there are no wrong answers

[coral valley]

Debatable

[plush silo]

Preference thing mainly, though I think if I made the RP5 my main handheld, I'd probably get some vertical like the Miyoo Mini, or a smaller 4:3 clamshell like the RG35xxSP

[random tulip]

Flip 2 is the clear winner for me out of the two. Especially if you already got a steamdeck OLED or some other couch sitter

[plush silo]

^

[ocean cedar]

Ergo will be a big deal tho. Flip1 was 270g and felt pretty heavy to me. Flip2 is 300g…

[random tulip]

Now if it only came on D1100 id just stick with RP5

But you're 1 month older

[ocean cedar]

And I trained on a legion go so maybe my arms are stronger now

[random tulip]

Lol. True

[ocean cedar]

[coral valley]

The Legion Goat

Arguably the best handheld for emulation

[rigid thicket]

If you have no devices yet, the Flip 2 should be pretty high on your list if not top.
If you have a couch/home handheld (like a Steam Deck or something) then the Flip 2 should be pretty high unless you want 4:3 specifically.
If you already have a pocketable/portable device you really like it's a tougher call to be honest.

[random tulip]

It's just the pocket slipping that wins me over

[plush silo]

Steam Deck OLED + Flip 2 for me in the coming year or so.
My older brother told me one of his friends is selling his og Rog Ally for like $200 or $250 though. No clue if we'll get that or not, but could be a thing for me.

[random tulip]

A lot of it's comfort will depend on where the weight is distributed

[coral valley]

Most likely in the bottom

[dusky ferry]

no android back button on this?

[coral valley]

So it shouldn't feel too top heavy I would imagine

[coral valley]

No 😞

[rigid thicket]

RIP DOA

[coral valley]

Literally unplayable

[rigid thicket]

Rocknix team save us.

Let us shed the shackles of Android.

[onyx hazel]

No back button feels like a big mistake

[random tulip]

Just meant whether it's back towards hinge (hopefully) or the batter is in the front (bad)

[coral valley]

Ah gotcha

[random tulip]

Yeah. With those sticks I hope it's more back heavy so your gripping it further up the bottom

And centering it

[coral valley]

I feel like it'd be near the back, most of the space in the front would likely be taken up by the controls

[random tulip]

Yeah. Except the controls are back. We'll see tho

[coral valley]

Do you mean back as in the bottom half vertically or horizontally

[random tulip]

Haha. Yeah. Talking dimensions with this thing is a challenge

You'd want the weight to be more here

[true zodiac]

If you think about what we know, the cpu and cooler is in the centre, sticks occupy top of the base so logically the battery must be lower down and thus it won't be too top heavy

[random tulip]

So it's not front heavy

[left turret]

i dont need it.. i need it, i dont need it.. i need it..

[random tulip]

But I have a feeling the battery might be centered. Which still isn't horrible

[ocean cedar]

Battery would have to be in the bottom

[random tulip]

Yeah. But maybe the speakers push it towards the middle?

[coral valley]

Agreed

[random tulip]

Like that's where the GPD systems do good. And why the stick placement at the back works well

[coral valley]

Though honestly it's less than a pound so I don't think I would mind the weight distribution that much

[ocean cedar]

The flip wasn’t that comfortable for me

[random tulip]

I mean again. None of this is an absolute deal breaker

But it would make the lack of any ergo grips less noticeable

[ocean cedar]

But this is bigger right

At least horizontally

[rigid thicket]

Mod it with miniature tungston cubes to adjust weight distribution 🙃

[coral valley]

I get that I'm just saying I don't think I'll notice it that much past my first impressions

[random tulip]

Haha. You joke but I'm gonna throw some loose sand in there

So it's like an etch a sketch

[vivid seal]

Pure speculation
D1100: $199
SD845: $249

[coral valley]

😬

[limpid ledge]

Too higher 189 to 229

[random tulip]

Id say a little high. But better than $300 some proposed

[rigid thicket]

Flip 1: 13.9 x 8.2 x 2.5 cm
Flip 2: 14.05 x 8.95 x 2.44cm

So uh, yes but barely.

[random tulip]

Hey. .1cm is basically a football field

[vivid seal]

Gotta pay for the QA on that hinge

[rigid thicket]

Horizontally almost negligable.

[random tulip]

I buy jeans that specifically only fit one dimension

[random tulip]

They have a hinge

It just might crack

[coral valley]

Maybe but for $30 extra? Idk

[ocean cedar]

Oh so it’s taller

[rigid thicket]

Wait, hold up. Flip 2 is actually a bit thinner?

Didn't expect that.

Like, barely thinner, but still.

[random tulip]

Then we find out it's got a glass bottom

[rigid thicket]

I was sure it'd be thicker with inset sticks.

[vivid seal]

Think of the poor engineer who spent weeks opening and closing the device all day

[coral valley]

I thought they hired monkeys to do that

[random tulip]

Eh. They were children and I'm sure they swapped them out

[uncut knoll]

Are two versions of the flip 2?

[vivid seal]

Yep

[random tulip]

Yup. D1100 and s865

[formal latch]

Yes, Sd865, D1100 chips

[rigid thicket]

Imagine manually flipping these things 100,000 times (claimed) manually.

[wooden phoenix]

Reading comprehension...

[random tulip]

Watch the d1100 drop at like $130

[ocean cedar]

Doubt

$179 minimum

[random tulip]

Haha

[ocean cedar]

$199 more likely

[random tulip]

Yeah. Would just be funny

[fluid stone]

$3.50

[random tulip]

Suddenly I'd be like ... Uh. D1100 all the way! Fuck s865

[rigid thicket]

🌲fiddy

[coral valley]

210 with an rp mini bundled in

[vivid seal]

If it’s another RP4’(base) situation, so few will be sold that you won’t even get it cheap in the aftermarket

[fluid stone]

$220 and chris covers flies to your house and gives you a smooch. No, you can't opt out

[coral valley]

I can't wait for litnxt to sell it for $350

[formal latch]

Holdup, can I substitution jutsu someone else for this

[fluid stone]

This applies for resellers too. You can't escape him.

[vivid seal]

Is Chris Covers secretly Chris Isaak?

[rigid thicket]

I feel like it's a missed opportunity that Chris Covers isn't some sort of journalist or something.
"Hey I'm Chris Covers and today I'll be covering the new Retroid Flip 2"

[vivid seal]

I assumed it was a stage name for his Dishwalla cover band

[noble canyon]

So generally around the same size as the original flip except a few mm wider, much taller, and a bit less thick

89 mm is actually a lot, that’s taller than the rg cube lol

That doesn’t seem right

[fallow crown]

Which other devices have the D1100? Wasn’t it the RP4P?

[noble canyon]

But outside of that very pocketable

[vivid seal]

Correct, at this point I’m surprised they didn’t try to liquidate the remaining D900 stock as well

[limpid ledge]

D900 is probably for vertical one

[fallow crown]

If the price is right I don’t mine the 1100

[jagged blade]

I could see this

[copper burrow]

Seems plausible. I was thinking 199/230ish

i can see the DragonFlip being 250 but we'll see

[ocean cedar]

im slowly talking myself out of this device

knee jerk reaction wants it, but with the rp5 already, it isnt going to change anything

[coral valley]

dragonflip?

[ocean cedar]

sd 865

[wary pond]

Gonna buy it in a year from one of you guys on the marketplace tbh

[coral valley]

oh

[sacred kindle]

I'd be surprised if anyone ends up selling the flip

[random tulip]

The only thing holding me back is my backlog and my Flip 1s. Lol

Otherwise I'd take it over any other midrange right now

[sacred kindle]

flip 1 sure
but flip 2 is next level

[random tulip]

Yeah. I just don't play a ton of what it enables

Guess I might if I had it. Haha

[fathom geyser]

We’ll def see some on the market place, not as many as the original tho I’d imagine

We already dont see a ton of 5’s and Minis

Retroid products usually hold value pretty well

[noble canyon]

corrections on the height

while a bit on the tall side compared to the flip 1 and other handhelds its still quite a few mm less tall than the new 3ds xl

and also 3ds xl by extension

[autumn wren]

I have an odin 2. I wonder how much I would really need this

[night badger]

https://youtu.be/i-eG6xpvlSo

[tropic surge]

I have a mini on the way I bought here and already unsure if itll last long

[ocean cedar]

that was quick!

[ocean cedar]

i just bought a mini too lol

[tropic surge]

it was a rage/revenge buy in protest of this not having a dpad up top 😛

[ocean cedar]

for me its cuz I wanted a smaller EDC

[rigid thicket]

Honestly good mindset in general.
It's literally the same handheld in different form and if you aren't going to pocket it regularly there's no real reason.

[ocean cedar]

i had a mini in the past, but i was trying to do everything on it (didnt have an rp5)

i realize its more of a sidekick than a main character

[ocean cedar]

the only thing is it could replace both rp5 and mini I guess.

since its literally the same screen as rp5 but pocketable like the mini

ill probably order one just to see lol

[rigid thicket]

Owning 3 of the same hardware would make my wallet cry 😅

[desert canyon]

i'm a black always guy, but that ice blue....damn

[rigid thicket]

But if you're willing to sell your RP5 and Mini it might be worth grabbing the Flip 2 in advance.

[desert canyon]

all in on this one for sure, gonna stick with 865

[jolly kayak]

This is going to replace RG35XXSP for me.

[rigid thicket]

I'm a hoarder so I have to nip it by not buying in the first place 😂

[ocean cedar]

the flip1 didnt really hit me ergonomically.

[rigid thicket]

Hopefully more grips, official or otherwise, come out for this for those who want/need them.

I do prefer handhelds be flat back with the option of a grip. Can't remove built in grips afterall.

[fast sonnet]

well I can guarantee that this is gonna be my next handheld at this point

[ocean cedar]

grips are an imperfect solution for me on a device thats supposed to be pocketable tho

its gotta be comfy as is (for me)

grips on a device that stays at home are fine

or in a bag

[rigid thicket]

I feel like this one will be fine since controls are probably set inwards.

But it'd be nice to see some reviews.

[ocean cedar]

yeah the 3dsxl is fine for me ergonomically

[jolly kayak]

Is there a way to play indie metroidvanias on android rn? From steam

[ocean cedar]

winlator?

[fast sonnet]

^

depending on DRM and such

[jolly kayak]

Is winlator hard to setup

[rigid thicket]

Stuff like this is why I'd like a low powered Steam Deck alternative. 🥲

[fast sonnet]

sadly yes

[rigid thicket]

It's jank all the way down.

[fast sonnet]

Winlator is a tricky dicky bitch to set up but it does work

[desert canyon]

bring on the preorders!

[rigid thicket]

Russ covered a frontend that lets you use your Steam account and kind of handle Winlator in the back for you, but it's very hit and miss.

I can't remember what it was called, Proveus or something.

[fast sonnet]

wasn't that software in an early beta?

[rigid thicket]

It's all early beta.

It's all jank on top of jank, ahaha.

[fast sonnet]

just how we like it

we are the weirdo nerds

[rigid thicket]

For sure, if you like tinkering should be right up your alley.

And like, if it's for 2D indie games probably not as bad.

[fast sonnet]

oh yeah old games and easy indies are not bad at all

it's when you step into emulating 360 era games through winlator that shit gets really sticky

[jolly kayak]

Well that sucks :/ i thought about getting a gpd win4 for this but that's 5x the cost of an rp5...

I wanna play shovel knight at work

[fast sonnet]

Vita port

or mayhaps the switch version

[jolly kayak]

Other games to though

Like dredge or animal well

Low power stuff

I know they're on switch but I dont want to re buy everything

Pocket Flip 2 would be perfect otherwise

[rigid thicket]

RP5 can probably emulate them I think?

[copper burrow]

shovel knight has an android port i think.... 🤔 though it'll be netflix exclusive

[rigid thicket]

I think it can handle 2D Switch stuff.

Don't quote me on that though.

[jolly kayak]

Folks said winlator is buggy or not easy to set up

[rigid thicket]

I meant Switch versions.

Can do that. Maybe.

Emulate the Switch versions.

Unless you're like me and don't like playing backups of current gen stuff.

But you own them on Steam anyway so maybe less guilt.

I just want a low powered SteamOS device for 2D indie games 🥲

[coral valley]

Pluvia iirc

[copper burrow]

me too 😄 and one that isnt deeply flawed

[rigid thicket]

There's no need for everyone to compete at "at least Steam Deck performance or better"

[jolly kayak]

An arm based SteamOS is all we need

[rigid thicket]

That's the other reason why I want the Flip 2 here.

The potential of Arm Proton.

[fast sonnet]

wasn't there an Arm proton in development?

[rigid thicket]

Technically rumoured.

I think it was a random line in Proton update notes or something.

[fast sonnet]

damn

[ocean cedar]

rpcs3 also getting an android port

[fast sonnet]

imagine running Steam games on a random android tablet

[rigid thicket]

Would be so good.

[jolly kayak]

That would be the dream

[rigid thicket]

Flip 2 would immediately become my everything device.

[fast sonnet]

didn't the team say they weren't doing that explicitly

[jolly kayak]

I got an s9 ultra that is just wasting away

[fast sonnet]

after the Aethersx2 nonsense

[tawdry dove]

I dont think it will be a thing in a while, proton is based on a very very long running opensource project

steam/proton on arm would basically be starting from zero in that reguard

[coral valley]

Can you run rpcs3 in winlator?

[ocean cedar]

the creator of rpcs3 started a github for an android port

[fast sonnet]

interesting

[ocean cedar]

https://github.com/DHrpcs3/rpcs3-android

[tawdry dove]

rcps3 has aarch64 (arm linux) support now so no not winlator.
Android support is likely just termx or something like that

[ocean cedar]

i think its in response to aRPCS3 or whatever

that chinese one that wanted money

and didnt open source it and violated GPLv2

[tawdry dove]

theres also sudachi dev doing potential testing on a native android build
which is separate from these projects

[severe steppe]

Looks like this one's gonna be a native android port

No wrappers or anything

[fast sonnet]

oh boy

so it's time to invest in a good 1tb microsd for this

[severe steppe]

Wonder how it'll fare on sd865 after optimisations are factored it

Maybe similar to wii u where only lighter games will run well at all

[ocean cedar]

hows rpcs3 on rocknix?

on 865

[fast sonnet]

I just want to play the Tales games on it

[severe steppe]

Not a lot runs well

[sacred kindle]

oh come on you're not actually going to play 1tb worth of games on it
right? right...?

[ocean cedar]

android would have turnip tho?

[fast sonnet]

I'm a data hoarder, also PS3 and Vita games are suprisingly dense

[severe steppe]

Turnip drivers could help with perf maybe yea

[sacred kindle]

Rp5 can run ps3 and vita?

[fast sonnet]

Vita absolutely, PS3 it's in development

[sacred kindle]

damn that's crazy

[fast sonnet]

hell my X18S can run a good chunk of Vita after it got past V10

And that's a ram nerfed T618

[copper burrow]

ah man the x18s

[fast sonnet]

it's got issues but man I love it to bits

[fathom geyser]

I have one in my closet waiting for one of these when it comes out

I’ll only use 200 GB’s of games probably at most, but I’ll also put GB’s of music on it, and it’s nice to just have the space

It’s cheap nowadays

[rigid thicket]

Use the Flip 2 as an MP3 player 🙃

[opal zenith]

Oh i hate when they do console less pocketable

Why doing that with the backbuttons

[echo lynx]

Not really, cmod does the drm work

[echo lynx]

The super weak ayaneo x86 sounds so nice in theory

Russ covered pluvia

No drm support till they start using cmod

[tawdry dove]

they made it but its ayaneo so it was stupid expensive anyway

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, the original Flip was really dumb for this. The Flip 2 has a sloped flat back which is way better.

[tawdry dove]

https://www.ayaneo.com/goods/8267716559093

steamdeck prices for 4500u

[rigid thicket]

Gee, I wonder why that didn't take off.

[tawdry dove]

ill be honest even with weaker older x86 cpus I dont think anyones beating LCD deck prices

You might get something slightly cheaper but at half the performance idk whos buying that

[limpid ledge]

No one can beat lcd deck

Lcd deck Is basically budget pc now

[rigid thicket]

Honestly, would be willing to pay for a RP5-ish sized Steam Deck without trackpads and cheaper CPU if possible at the same price even.

[ocean cedar]

id argue open box rog ally is best budget pc cuz it can also run windows

[rigid thicket]

Or like, just a Flip 2 with Steam Deck internals.

Flip 2 with SD track pads.

I will pay you extra Valve, please.

[ocean cedar]

and plugged in with 30W the z1e is much faster than a steam deck

[limpid ledge]

Yeah Both of them are best budget pc handheld

Especially what you can do for both of them

Mods

[ocean cedar]

yeah, incredible value.

i realized i wont be preordering this

retroid only does DHL to hawaii. and its like $45

[limpid ledge]

Eiiiii

Only dhl

[ocean cedar]

i had to order my retroids from aliexpress

so i guess i might be able to get one there later

[tawdry dove]

pool orders with RGC get devices before everyone else

[ocean cedar]

haha hmmm thats an idea

[echo lynx]

I can't even find the 7320u in stock

[blazing compass]

this is actually a really hard decision, knowing them the D1100 option should be a lot cheaper, not only that but CPU wise the D1100 is just a little better than the 865, which is very important for PS2 games to run at a constant 60 fps, same with android games, I’m pretty the clock speed is very slightly higher and more consistent, really weird cases that I don’t think optimizations could fix

on the other hand, adreno stuff would be really cool to have but yeah idk i already have a 4pro so it would be a waste to get another d1100

[mystic void]

I feel like it's an easy decision

[blazing compass]

been meaning to ask, searched and saw that you mightve gotten bug fables to run on the rg556 (i dont know if you meant in general or on 556 because it was in that channel), if so was it actually playing well? Think I’ve seen other people do it and it works well, my 4 pro doesn’t handle it that great and the D1100 is better than the T820 I’m pretty sure

[mystic void]

Should run well enough but I didn't do a super long test. I had to lower res though and that can get gross, can't remember full settings

[robust wedge]

I was not expecting a materia-colored Flip 2, I don't know if I'll get it but it do look pretty as hell.

[steady osprey]

Only colour I would have considered over Black was Red or Trans Red and I didn't get either so my choice is clear, also I doubt the wife will be able to tell the difference between this in black and my old X18S so that saves me having to have THAT conversation 🤣

[sacred kindle]

7320u sucks though, what would you need it for?

[severe ridge]

The sd865 has outperformed the d1100 in practice for months now

[urban jewel]

yeah the 2 in 7320u stands for zen 2. Unironically a Ryzen 3 5300U is more powerful despite being 2 generations older 😭

[echo lynx]

Chep

Cheap

And x86

[fathom geyser]

It really isn’t that bad. I sometimes confuse it for my phone or wallet

[rigid thicket]

Depends on what kind of pockets you have available to be fair.

[lunar stone]

Do we know if the Flip gets a bigger battery?

[severe ridge]

i mean, we have a full spec sheet

its 5k

[vagrant wyvern]

Damn, the D1100 option means it might be priced in my budget

[blazing compass]

The flip is getting a white color too? Behind the 16 bit US variant is a flip with white sticks and a white dpad!

[severe ridge]

it might just be the lighting

but

i did recommend they do 4 shell colors and just have diff button combos

[lunar stone]

Welp.

[noble canyon]

no that looks pure white

[severe ridge]

agree

[sweet rune]

I guess I better start working on my video about how I invented the RP2 Flip

the people need to know

[random tulip]

It looks identical to the SNES grey flip one I'm holding in my hand. Heh

Oh. The white one behind it. Maybe

[noble canyon]

thats not lighting at all that looks actually white

just period

[random tulip]

Yeah. I mean it's also just a render

Could just be a mistake. Wouldn't be the first time

Interesting it's still got the pokeball top

Well Pac-Man

[tacit latch]

probably a slip on the part of whoever made that promo render

don't get your hopes up in vain, if they say 4 colors it's 4 colors

[noble canyon]

yea its possible that it's a slip up

but it could also just be Chris doing it from looking at the render himself cuz retroid sometimes drip feeds him stuff like screenshots

oh nvm i see it

weird

[severe ridge]

i doubt its more shell colors, possibly just button combos

gives you more variety without a huge investment

[lunar stone]

Ahh sorry was just hoping the battery would be bigger.

[stray dagger]

you can probably drop all existing RP5 buttons into the Flip anyway

not to forget the RP4 ones as well, why change what's not broken

[lunar stone]

I think that would have tipped the scale for me.

[severe ridge]

5k has been enough in practice for the rp5, 4-6 hours of ps2 is pretty great

[onyx hazel]

RP5 battery is incredible

[lunar stone]

I know it's enough but when you have tasted the battery life of the 8k in the Odin 2..... it's hard not to think about it.

Unrealistic expectation though I know.

[onyx hazel]

it's aiming at a different market segment

[lunar stone]

Not sure what you mean by that?

[severe ridge]

it would have to be THICC BOY for 8k or 10k lol

[lunar stone]

This is more of a case of I know it ain't happening but one can dream lol.

[lunar stone]

Would have settle for 6k 😄

But yeah 8k in a rp5 package would be thicc

[random tulip]

Yeah. I dunno if having more battery really targets any segment. We all want more battery. Especially if they can make them lighter via magic 😆

[lunar stone]

I mean I taped a 10k battery on my Odin 2 Mini at one point.

Sometimes you just want to game haha

Ps. Wouldn't actually recommend doing it. Way too heavy with 15k total of battery power.

[swift hamlet]

Any retroid employees here that could spill the beans on a release date?

/s.

[echo lynx]

Raaah super sp

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-20091717

[echo lynx]

hmm any irrelevant good thing has been mentioned anywhere in rumor mill

raaah super sp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oops wrong pictures

[wary briar]

D1100?

WHY

oh wait

ma bad

[echo lynx]

if you want you can try waiting for magicx to become a premium company

[wary briar]

two models

[echo lynx]

then buy their d7400 dual screen

[uncut knoll]

What can be the estimated size for the flip 2 compared to the size?

[uncut knoll]

Ahh

I didn't see

[wary briar]

It's the same device

Except for chip

And Bluetooth

Is the d1100 gonna be cheaper ......?

[waxen jolt]

Most definitely

[stray dagger]

they just want to rid themselves of the remaining RP4pro SoCs, designing a new board ain't too much off a hassle, so yeah, pretty sure this has to be 30bucks less than the SD865 version

[wary briar]

Don't they perform the same

Or about the same

Legit the difference would be do you want linux

[stray dagger]

and regarding the size, it's pretty close to a non-XL 3DS

[stray dagger]

pretty much yeah, SD865 has the edge on GCN and Switch tho

Linux

faster charging

and upcoming GammaOS, if one cares about that

[wary briar]

im anti fast charging

kills batt faster

[random tulip]

I like to wait overnight

[wary briar]

which means it makes it obsolete faster

unless we can get replacement batteries

[stray dagger]

tho the D1100 performs better on certain PS2 games, so it's not like it's a cut and dry "the SD865 is better"

[wary briar]

thats a different story

[stray dagger]

well, 27w ain't too fast

[wary briar]

hence i said about the same 😄

[wary briar]

faster than 18

[robust wedge]

Does the D1100 still suck at running Beetle Saturn?

[wary briar]

my max would be 15w tbh

[stray dagger]

sure sure, don't use a fast charger then

[wary briar]

cant

everythnig in my house is 45w

[stray dagger]

it's not like these devices get a daily charge like your phone

[wary briar]

except for that shitty charger that i use for 3ds and ps vita

[wary briar]

you underestimate how often i charge my odin2pro

[stray dagger]

use an A to C cable

[wary briar]

no

45w

c to c

[stray dagger]

bruh

I gotta throw an 120w charging brick at ya

[wary briar]

have one

never once pumped out 120w

[random tulip]

I mean can we just get it with lightning cable?

[wary briar]

https://tenor.com/view/bullish-chad-crypto-einstein-genius-gif-15057417818544819451

actually

i want it to be magsafe only

[severe ridge]

its somewhere between ds lite and 2dsxl

[severe ridge]

exactly

[uncut knoll]

I like the size

Perfect to put on a bag or in the pocket

[severe ridge]

i tihkn people are gonna be surprised how close to the original fip in size it will be

[uncut knoll]

Depend of the size pocket

Maybe the people expect something bigger than the original flip?

[severe ridge]

all they really did was reduce the size of bezel i think
its just got the screens bezel now, instead of also the plastic one on the OG flip

[uncut knoll]

A bigger screen with the left space

[random tulip]

It's a little wider and taller. But thinner

[untold oyster]

Really hope they make the white one, looks much better than the 16bit!

[random tulip]

And my little I mean fractions of cm

[polar whale]

Dude phone companies sell new phones by advertising they reduced bezels by millimeters lol

[naive hollow]

I'd buy a D1100 flip 2 if that was the case

[random tulip]

Yeah. Luckily we're more cultured then the masses

[ocean cedar]

yeah theres tons of room

[ocean cedar]

see pic

and they made the hinge bigger

[wary briar]

flip 1 was perfect in terms of button locations

why they gotta ruin it with flip 2

hang on

isnt the d1100 more effecient as well

[random tulip]

Less I'm pretty sure

They're still pretty close

Some of that efficiency loss could just be from unoptimized software

[wary briar]

so why would one consider a 865 over the D1100? or vice versa

asking coz im at a loss which one i wanna buy

[plush silo]

Iirc, the Snapdragon chip just has better drivers support and optimization for emulators? Which results in it performing better in practice.
Also support for Linux.
Idr if it's better for Winlator stuff as well

[severe ridge]

buy the snapdragon unless you need mali for something specific

[fossil timber]

Damn... if that clear blue looks as good in person as it does in the render I may have to grab one and sell off my odin2 mini

[plush silo]

If it's the same Ice Blue that was on the RP4, it should look great

[mystic void]

Buy d1100 if you want to for whatever reason,

But in general,
Buy 865 for a better device

[plush silo]

^

[wary briar]

is this the same

as

buying every single H700

instead of just the one you want

(i still havent bought the 34xx........i really thought i would)

[naive hollow]

Price

[wary briar]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[tacit latch]

if price is no objection hands down 865

d1100 will just basically be the "I'm sort of poor" edition

[random tulip]

That'll buy you 3 d1100s

Seriously tho. It'll be like a 30-50 dollar difference

[robust wedge]

If you say so, the d1100 runs almost everything short of Switch at 2x.

[random tulip]

It's not a bad chip. Just not as good as the s865. They're both good chips

But I'll always sacrifice small amounts for better performance. Plus linux

Linux just increases the longevity of any device

[lunar stone]

Looks like I'm getting a flip

I have made my decision by flipping a coin.

You can tell I'm not great at deciding lol

[robust wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-dent-coin-flip-two-face-batman-coin-gif-9698651

[echo lynx]

Just say everything short of Wii u

[mystic void]

Imo, if someone genuinely doesn't go crazy and buys a shit ton of these, they should just pay up whatever the difference will be and call it a day with the 865

[wooden phoenix]

I only want the 865 for options in os/fw.

Otherwise I'd get the cheaper one.

[mystic void]

We are at a point where many people can have a "end game device" single device if it's what they really want

[wooden phoenix]

Yeah. The odins 🤣

[echo lynx]

Where's my DS?

Can ya

[wooden phoenix]

People need to stop with the dual screen stupidity. Cool. Pay all the extra money for 2 systems. Lol

[mystic void]

For specifically ds? I prefer the ds. For 3ds? I just use anything strong and oled

[urban jewel]

#1266817458417832110 message

[jagged blade]

The Duo is there for people who want two screens. Best way outside OG hardware.

[wooden phoenix]

I enjoy doing them on my y700 vertical with the S9 controller. My favorite way so far. But I haven't had a duo. Too expensive for my liking. 😅

[echo lynx]

Oh you know I know of those

I practically live there

[left bobcat]

I'm a bit late to the party, but it's the weirdest dang thing. I don't usually like translucent handhelds, and I really didn't like the design of the Flip 2 due to all the empty space in the middle of the bottom half, and yet I feel like the translucent Ice Blue RPF2 color actually looks the best of all of them since being able to see all the components inside really fills in the void on the bottom half.

[onyx hazel]

If you’re ok with debilitating input lag, the Odins are like

🤌🤌🤌

[severe ridge]

actually they fixed it on the portal, theres a whole cahrt but i cant be assed to find it

[onyx hazel]

I had a portal for 24 hours or so, and it did seem really nice

[formal latch]

I check this channel multiple times a day everyday and I'm still over here worried I'll somehow miss when it's available to be ordered

[wary briar]

But the issue is.....I dunno which colour I wanna buy

[mystic void]

Smoke a blunt and pick

Clear your head

[wary briar]

I have done so

I picked up 4 color mix

[coral valley]

it's not like you would have to only play ds games on them

other than battery life there's virtually zero downside to having two screens

[rigid thicket]

I wouldn't even want it for NDS/3DS specifically to be honest 😂

[wary briar]

DOGGO DEMANDS HIS DUAL SCREEN HANDHELD FOR BETTER DS EMU

and 3ds*

[echo lynx]

Raaaah super sp

That one's low res

[robust wedge]

Not to mention frame-delay is a thing in Retroarch? All the systems that might be affected by Odin's input lag can be compensated for enough that the Odin becomes more responsive than the original hardware.

[coral valley]

https://tenor.com/view/sageykins-neolliam-gif-26212324

[random tulip]

Threw my gamesir on my pixel fold, and it's pretty fucking sick. My temp solution til a DS drops

[whole zenith]

If a game has something like 33 ms of lag on original hardware and 133 ms of lag on an Odin 2, a frame or two of runahead isn't going to bridge the gap.

[wooden phoenix]

With run ahead on no one feels the lag. You all just want something to complain about 🤣

[frosty oxide]

Of course, they would die if they didn't have anything to complain about. 😄

[versed vigil]

Not really helpful for emulators that don’t have Runahead as an option.

On the plus side, the Odin 2 Portal has had literally none of the issues I had with the Odin 2 LCD or Odin 2 Mini, so I’m happy with that thing.

[versed vigil]

Right, because anyone who complains about the LCD Odin 2 is just making stuff up/overreacting/being babies/whatever else you wanna say.

[robust wedge]

Not many games made after the 16bit era that would need it though, unless you're big into fighters. Not saying it's not an issue, just a (mostly) manageable one.

[versed vigil]

“Unless you’re big into fighters”

…Yeah, you can probably see the problem here.

[versed vigil]

Like, even the profile pic, while it isn’t a fighting game, is still from an entire series of games that really doesn’t like input lag.

[robust wedge]

I don't know what your profile pic is from. 😛

[versed vigil]

The profile pic is the main advertising pic for Armored Core 6.

An entire series of mecha games that were made by FromSoft, and only 3 out of the 8-10 Armored Core games that can be played on the Odin 2 are PS1 games (meaning only the 3 games from Gen-1 Armored Core can take advantage of Runahead).

[robust wedge]

Never had the pleasure. My preferred stompy mech games are turn-based.

I feel for you, though. The irony is that PS1 games can easily run on any linux potato that has way less lag than any Android device.

[urban jewel]

game name?

[robust wedge]

Front Mission by Square. 👍

[urban jewel]

PS1?

[robust wedge]

Original game was for SNES and has a fan translation, but there's also an officially localised DS version. First three games has also been remade for the Switch/PC market, but I hear the PC versions are crash-prone.

[urban jewel]

ahhh that explains why I couldn't find it in my PS1 folder, I have the SNES translation! 😊

[robust wedge]

There's also a side-story called Gun Hazard for the SNES with a fan-translation. The second one is on PS1 and has a fan-tran as well. The whole series got slept on and never made it over officially until the third.

[severe ridge]

not a lot of people noticed we got measurements today

the original flip is very similar in size

[random tulip]

yeah, they were mentioned higher up

cool that it's actually thinner

[severe ridge]

its very close to a ds lite in size

a 2dsxl is markedly bigger

[random tulip]

https://discordapp.com/channels/741895796315914271/1336037750889250960/1344445494042300458

there's a good pic comparison

as it's pretty close to the og flip

[severe ridge]

i want it

[ocean cedar]

Revision 2 special edition limited release

[robust wedge]

Is this real? Kinda torn between this and the mako-energy color.

[candid sonnet]

ohh looks awesome

[candid sonnet]

sexy

[severe ridge]

if we dream hard enough it could be

[wooden phoenix]

I wanted the watermelon flip 2 so bad. 😞

[wheat surge]

Is this gonna have larger dimensions than the original retroid flip?

[long lagoon]

Thickness is killing me.

I much rather it would have been slightly downclocked/allowed to run hotter or something

Like come on it's emulation handheld I don't need it to excels at 3dmark the vast majority of times

[left turret]

doesnt matter, it will fit in my pocket

[long lagoon]

I mean yeah, probably.

[stray dagger]

it's not even that thick

thinner than a freaking Nintendo DS

kinda disappointing, would love if someone replicated THAT shape

thing was the last ergonomic handheld Nintendo made

[sacred kindle]

a handheld thinner than NDS packing a chip that runs PS2 nad beyond is still insane

[echo lynx]

PS1 and snes were competing?

[stray dagger]

a PS1 is just a SNES on roids to begin with

I mean, technically it's supposed to be the same generation as the N64, which came out years later... but still

PS1 is basically a SNES with a build in Super FX chip

it can't even do real 3D

[echo lynx]

I mean if it has similar power

[stray dagger]

it has not

N64 is way more powerful

PS1s only real advantage was the CD

cheap, less cost for the third parties publishing games

and a lot of storage for textures

well and the fact that people chipped the damn thing and burned like a thousand games made it sell like hot cake

while a single N64 game was 120bucks

I hadn't seen an original PS1 game till like 2010

never realized they used black CDs

[echo lynx]

Damn

Did the n64 win?

[naive hollow]

It's pretty obvious looking at gameplay that the N64 is more powerful than the PS1

[echo lynx]

I should buy a a handheld

[tacit latch]

dimensions are a bit misleading here because the thickness isn't constant across the whole device

so when they say 24.4mm, do they mean as measured from the thinnest part? because if so then the majority of the device is going to be thicker than that

also since no one posted it yet

https://youtu.be/wcbCP6L9Hxo?si=UIz2JodFdNKODhx3

[random tulip]

Pretty easy to figure out. Someone just needs to measure the flip 1 and the dimensions they gave for that

I can do it at some point today

But I'm pretty sure it's the thickest part

[tacit latch]

the flip 1 doesn't have the slanted bottom of the 2, there the thickness is constant except for the triggers

[random tulip]

Well sure. But the triggers here will also have the greatest thickness

I don't think they have a reason to be nefarious. Lol

If it ends up being .5cm thicker than the flip 1 are they really going to lose like 50% of sales

[stray dagger]

It's not thick enough

give me PHAT DS thickness

[sacred kindle]

i think if the Flip 2 is popular enough we'll see more companies try mimic its success

like what happened with the miyoo mini

[mystic void]

Alright

I'm on the hype train

Them moving the controls to be overall better is the biggest plus

[tacit latch]

just like what happened with the first flip, oh wait

[fluid stone]

Wasn't popular enough and had too many issues :)

Granted it's hard to see something this big and in this price range being popular enough for clone competitors but who knows

[coral valley]

Odin 2 portal flip 🤔

[sacred kindle]

widescreen that just exists for gameboy advance

[coral valley]

Russ - "The only systems you're going to emulate with a 2 screen setup are going to be ds and 3ds and both of these consoles don't really have a good way of emulating on Android right now" No shade to Russ but I don't really understand why people talk about emulating ds and 3ds on single screen devices and they never complain about any issues, but as soon as the idea of a second screen is thrown into the mix the sentiment becomes "Oh it'll never work its pointless don't even bother" like HUH? I feel like I'm going crazy because there's literal proof of concept showing that dual screen DOES work on android.

I'm not just talking about the surface duo either

[light oyster]

Also, people also forget about Wii U dual screen functionality, although Cemu is still behind a bit on Android

[stray dagger]

may certainly in the cards yeah, would be funny but I think I will settle for the Retroid Flip 2 here

[naive hollow]

Most Wii U games were designed to be playable without the gamepad tho, dual screen is really just a bonus for Wii U

[plush silo]

This.
I also think there's a good portion of DS and 3DS games that don't really fully take advantage of the two-screen set-up anyways, especially on 3ds. Or just use it to have Ui elements there that would be fine to have on one screen anyways.
Can't really see anyone wanting to play the 3ds version of Xenoblade over the Wii or Switch versions if they have the choice to.
But yeah, that's partly why you don't see as many people complain about playing (3)ds games on one screen as much

[manic grove]

the unfortunate thing about the thickness measurement is it doesn't account for the triggers

[sweet shuttle]

Can you upscale when you have Wii U games in GamePad mode?

[manic grove]

I think it'll be the same situation for rp flip 2

[sweet shuttle]

Since the GamePad screen is like 480p

[fossil timber]

Yeah, honestly I dont have a problem playing ds/3ds on a single screen. I also have a 3ds and dont really feel like it would be worth it to spend a few hundred dollars on a dedicated dual screen device that would be as poor for non dual screen games as a single screend device is for dual screen games. But if you could play youtube or spotify on the lower screen while playing N64 or Gamecube than you would have my interest.

[sweet shuttle]

I think that's been possible?

[plush silo]

Could even have a walkthrough or map down there while you play for those kinds of older games that don't really tell you too much where to go or what you're supposed to do next.

[fossil timber]

Ooh, having a google page open with a guide on the lower screen would be useful for some games

[rigid thicket]

Sure is

[fossil timber]

I have used a second screen for some rts or rpgs just so I can pull up my notes and lists

[rigid thicket]

I hate that we're so tunnel visioned into thinking dual screens would "only" be useful for NDS/3DS/WiiU and it's pointless to only support that.

[coral valley]

Everybody is all about their handhelds being versatile until it comes to dual screen

[rigid thicket]

Another good use would be playing multiplayer retro games with Discord on the bottom.

[coral valley]

it'd be nice for youtube as well

[fathom geyser]

We’ll see when Magic X puts their hat in the ring, I could see Anbernic trying if it goes well/seems economically sound, but I can’t see retroid doing it any time soon

[robust wedge]

It was buried beneath the Earth's crust. Even the Saturn outsold it in Japan.

[swift hamlet]

Word on the street is that they’re taking preorder’s tomorrow

[solid magnet]

Source?

[swift hamlet]

Some random dude on reddit

[rigid thicket]

I think realistically a dual screen handheld will have to be a pseudo clamshell like the Duo+Controller example.
Ideally both screens would be the same so they'd only have to source one type of screen.
Software-wise they'd base it on the AOSP (Open source) Duo Android build to have both screens treated as one long screen.
This solves the emulation side since it'd just be the emulator rendering in stacked screen mode like it does now, nothing special needs to be done.

They can do a 3DS style clamshell, but the bottom screen would be pretty small which limits the broader general use a second screen can bring.

Alternatively, Zeelobby brought up the one sound argument I've seen for having a slide device where the top screen slides up to reveal a second screen below it.

[versed vigil]

And GC widescreen, and Wii, and PS2 games with native widescreen, and PSP, and PS Vita, and Winlator, and Linux Portmaster for the SD version, and…

Wait, are you talking about the Flip 2 or about the potential clones?

[versed vigil]

It works when you’ve got a company as big as Microsoft that’s able to work out any kinks.

[sacred kindle]

yea lol
cheap clone specifically

[coral valley]

not this again

[versed vigil]

Ah, makes sense then.

[light oyster]

True, however some games like Paper Mario Color Splash require 2 screens. But it's not a selling point yet as this game doesn't work on Cemu yet 😫

[sacred kindle]

widescreen gameboy advance clamshell doesn't sound bad tbh

[versed vigil]

Would you rather I bring up the fact that a second screen would more likely than not bring the price up by $30-$50, maybe $20 if they go for a particularly cheap lower-resolution screen (to which you’d just have people complaining that they ruined it with a bad screen)?

[coral valley]

Is a $50 increase supposed to be a lot?

[sacred kindle]

...yes

[versed vigil]

Even ignoring the fact that yes it is, we’re talking about a device that is expected to at least be $230, so that would bring it to be at least $280.

[sacred kindle]

I guess not for the western world 😿

[coral valley]

For something I would use for years to come, thats not really much

like a 20% ish increase

[versed vigil]

You would, how many people do you honestly think would be willing to buy a $280 SD865 clamshell just because it has a second screen?

[remote basin]

a second screen could also be used as a keyboard/trackpad for DOS games

[sacred kindle]

"Due to popular demand, we will release the Retroid Pocket Flip 2 XL and it will have dual screen"

[coral valley]

Oh yeah I forgot how niche the 3ds was my bad

[versed vigil]

Right, go ahead and gloss over the fact that it would be literally only $20 less than the Odin 2 at the very least (I hate making that comparison, but even I have to acknowledge that it would outright be the common sentiment, even if I’d still disagree with the LCD Odin 2’s screen being worth it).

[tacit latch]

nah not happening, they have yet to unveil price and pre-orders dates and they are not going to do that the same day preorders open

[coral valley]

And? Most people are of the opinion the 865 is all you really need already, so add in the ability to emulate one of the most popular handhelds ever in a more accurate way, and it's no competition.

How is this an argument?

[sacred kindle]

I think he meant that people will go for the Odin 2 for nearly the same price of a less power RP Flip 2

[coral valley]

I get that, but the 865 is powerful enough as is to get most of what people want from it

The surface duo 2 has an 888 and goes for like 600+ used

Clearly theres a demand

[tawdry dove]

1 Price isnt out for the flip 2
2 Odin2 is more comparable to RP5 imo (you're paying a premium for a form factor the odin doesnt have)

[versed vigil]

It’s an argument because so far, the only person currently arguing that anything more than $250 “would be financially a good idea for Retroid, not just the price I’d be willing to pay” is you.

[coral valley]

In this current discussion maybe, but this is a fairly small discord

Kind of a bad argument no?

How much does a used 3ds go for again? 250? 300 for really good condition?

[versed vigil]

As opposed to arguing that “people totally want 2 screens and think it’s a good idea, they’re just not here but they’re totally real”.

[remote basin]

I think you can get a used 2DS for about $90

[coral valley]

Depends on the seller, a new 3ds goes for far more though

[remote basin]

absolutely, but if all you wanna do it play 3DS games, you can get a 2DS for relatively cheap

[versed vigil]

You can easily find used “New 3DS XL’s” (still hate the name) for only $210.

[coral valley]

"only"

[sacred kindle]

I appreciate that Retroid sticks to an affordable alternative to the Odin 2 and I really don't want to miss out on one of their new products just because of a small % of people who want a 3DS experience

(btw Idk if someone has followed my ramblings before but training for the new job starts next week 🔥 )

[tawdry dove]

I think its mostly just 3ds prices spiked for no reason during covid, they're pretty normal again now

[versed vigil]

It’s specifically when you’re looking at the listings that directly advertise themselves as having IPS screens that jump up to $300+.

[coral valley]

I would be able to play so many more systems including 3ds for a rp flip 2 at $280

There's an insane value gap between the two

[vital belfry]

in context to the 250 stated above that's a fair thing to say

[versed vigil]

Since the New 3DS XL’s would randomly have either IPS or TN screens for top and/or bottom (it wasn’t guaranteed to be both, it could be either or, or neither).

So people who do have both, or just IPS for the top screen would upcharge it because it’s otherwise hard to find via screenshots alone.

[coral valley]

Used 3ds's bring their own set of issues, proprietary charging, ips vs tn screen, batteries

[echo lynx]

IDGAF bro drastic is peak

[coral valley]

Forgive me for not wanting to fork over higher than msrp prices for decade old hardware

[echo lynx]

Also two screens means less pillarboxing and otherboxing

[rigid thicket]

I don't only want to play 3DS without savestates/other Emulation QoL though 🥲

[sacred kindle]

just get an ayaneo /s

[echo lynx]

One ayaneo pocket DMG one 1440p covers every single device well

[rigid thicket]

I have a New 3DSXL and I just don't want to use it.

[remote basin]

that's fair, I'd want to have frameskip for pokemon lol

[echo lynx]

Not sold anymore

Didn't you hear?

It's over

[versed vigil]

So you went from “they’re all more expensive” to “they’re not great anyways”.

I’d point out the moving goalposts, but I’m pretty sure you’d just say my earlier Microsoft comment counts as that (even though ease of manufacturing and software development does also affect product price).

[sacred kindle]

out of curiousity, why?

[coral valley]

Neither of those points are mutually exclusive

[sacred kindle]

used marketplace is always fun to browse (i really need to stop doing that)

[versed vigil]

They are when you only say the second point after people directly point out that you left out context for the bloated $300+ price.

[rigid thicket]

Mainly emulation QoL stuff like save states and fast forward.
Minorly, I hate how sluggish it feels when you're not in a game and I'm not going to bring 2 handhelds with me when going out.

[fathom geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chair-spin-spinning-gif-24887379

[icy bramble]

@echo lynx Lmao what the fuck happened

[coral valley]

Is it bloated if I've seen them go for that high?

[versed vigil]

Yes, because you’re looking at the equivalent of collectors items and saying “this is the average price for all used New 3DS XL’s”.

[coral valley]

The collector's item in question being dual ips

[sacred kindle]

I'm sure we'll get a 3ds-like clamshell soon
maybe not from retroid but still

[versed vigil]

Like, people outright will always upcharge their device if they have something that wasn’t standard, that’s the first rule of second hand buying, don’t trust the highest prices.

[sacred kindle]

I hate how sluggish it feels when you're not in a game

huh, elaborate? Like leaving it open and on or?

[coral valley]

They're only going to get more expensive, there's not an unlimited supply

[versed vigil]

Neither is the Flip 2.

[icy bramble]

Someone just needs to throw a second USB C port on the side of a flipphone and sell it with a controller

[coral valley]

🤦‍♂️

[versed vigil]

Just ask anyone who is currently pissed they missed out on the RP2S.

[icy bramble]

There you go there's your two screen portable

[rigid thicket]

The general OS/home screen is just really slow. Especially if you have a lot of games on it.

[sacred kindle]

Oh right
I remember when I went to settings menu and it took really damn long for it to appear

[coral valley]

Comparing an item that is currently in production to an item that has already been shut down for years

[sacred kindle]

So what's the point of this argument now

[versed vigil]

Which product is currently in production? Right now we’ve got a single screen Flip 2 that isn’t even up for pre-order.

[coral valley]

You're arguing that a potential dual screen android handheld wouldn't have infinite stock

which is true but it's not a good comparison

[swift hamlet]

Stock will be slim

[versed vigil]

Because you’re arguing people would buy a $280 dual-screen Flip 2.

[coral valley]

they would

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, I would too.

[versed vigil]

Do you think most people would?

[coral valley]

that's not as crazy of a price as you act like it is

[rigid thicket]

And it wouldn't even be for NDS/3DS emulation.

[swift hamlet]

I just need one screen

[remote basin]

I'd probably get a dual screen android for $300, honestly

so long as it reviewed well

[sage moat]

N3ds xl is so damn good at what it does and they cost an arm and a leg

[versed vigil]

Sure, totally.

[coral valley]

Would I rather have an all encompasing device like a dual screen rp flip 2 for just $280, or would I have a new 3ds xl and rp5 for over $400? The choice is easy

[rigid thicket]

Maybe not most people, but more than you'd probably think.
We're in a hobby flooded with marginally different handhelds at various prices.
I think enough people would grab something unique.

[stray dagger]

as long as the Android is customized to properly work with it and the ergo of the controls isn't total ass, I would be in on an dual screen flip 2

[sacred kindle]

inb4 flip 2 snapdragon turns out to be 280$

[versed vigil]

You know what, this is getting us nowhere, how about instead of continuing to argue about it, we just ask @blazing burrow or one of the other mods to make a poll on what price people would be willing to pay for a Dual Screen Flip 2?

[sage moat]

A dual screen handheld eliminates the need for multiple handhelds too, a bottom 4:3 oled screen would be a game changer

[coral valley]

Doubt it, the flip 2 is a side grade

[sacred kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-well-find-out-jacob-dutton-harrison-ford-1923-we-will-know-that-gif-13924432661313918615

[versed vigil]

It could be a secondary poll to what price they’d be willing to pay for the actual Flip 2, just for the hypothetical.

[sage moat]

I bet 240 and 250 respectively

[stray dagger]

they would have to find a 4" one tho, not gonna deal with 3.7

[sacred kindle]

I would say wait for the actual Flip 2's price anouncement then make the poll

[coral valley]

They already had a community vote though, and we all know what happened with that

[rigid thicket]

I feel like if Retroid wanted to they could run a kickstarter just to see numbers of people who are willing to bet with actual cash on a dual screen device.

And then crunch the numbers and see if even a limited run would be worth it.

[versed vigil]

Now that we can agree on. My take is that the D1100 will be generally around $185-$200, and the SD865 will be like $230 to maybe $240.

[vital belfry]

There won’t be dual screen flip here anytime soon.

I don’t even think money and demand are limiting factors, the software side is just too complex to configure, I feel like you might even need to collaborate with melonds and azahar devs to make it happen

[stray dagger]

Flip 2 SD shouldn't be more than 230 tbh

[sage moat]

I think people would live with the 3.7 inch bet we'll see dual screens in like 2 years tho

[rigid thicket]

The software argument doesn't exist. There's open source Android builds for the Duo.

[versed vigil]

Yeah, only 30% of the people who cared enough to do the survey voted for dual screen.

[sacred kindle]

2 years? 2 months more like
Retro handheld market is big rn and only growing larger by the minute

[stray dagger]

personally would prefer the 31:27 Pocket DMG screen, at least gives some alternative options for like Gameboy stuff

[coral valley]

I mean there was more than just that

[vital belfry]

You think their implementation will be easy?

Maybe magic x will be using them

[sage moat]

I say 2 years because there's a reason they haven't come out with dual screens yet

[sacred kindle]

Why

[sage moat]

Aside from the one

[versed vigil]

That’s me rounding up the actual poll results for the Display question.

[rigid thicket]

It's literally just built off of AOSP.
Which is what LineageOS is built off of.
Which is what GammaOS is built off of.

[coral valley]

I meant that there was other things they didn't listen to, not that there was more votes for dual screen than you said

[sage moat]

2 reasons, you can trickle niche handhelds and get people to buy, and also Nintendo

[versed vigil]

Yeah, which is why I was using that as a rough estimate for the interest in dual screen among people in this server.

[rigid thicket]

I didn't even vote on it

[coral valley]

Like most people voted for 256 gb of storage

[sacred kindle]

Isn't Retroid chinese-based? The law won't affect them. Right...?

[coral valley]

I also think the poll itself set up dual screen option for failure, with the implication that the dual screen wouldn't be oled

[rigid thicket]

In fairness, it's more that the Flip 2 was probably already in final design drafts/pre-production rather than them not listening.

[coral valley]

but that's kind of what I mean

[echo lynx]

Both true

[stray dagger]

officially operate out of France

[echo lynx]

Damn I'm behind the argument

[versed vigil]

OLED wasn’t even an option in the survey question that had the dual screen option.

[sacred kindle]

Woah. TIL

[sage moat]

See I'm not sure but I do know Nintendo and Japan doesn't play about its copyright