Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[rigid thicket]

Too many handhelds and some controllers have the bottom stick too close to the buttons and you're always fighting against it trying to tap B/X

[echo lynx]

steam controller 2😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋❤️

[limpid ledge]

Lmaooo

[jagged blade]

Oh I agree.

[solar cairn]

in other words, we'll be the judge

[jagged blade]

Wait, you can be a ergo scientist?

[echo lynx]

its definitely a role

but only valve employs them

[solar cairn]

of course, how do you think they develop comfortable devices that don't injure people?

[echo lynx]

and keyboard makers

[coral valley]

Right but what is comfortable doesn't actually vary that much from person to person, so I would say there's a very good chance most people would find it comfortable

[jagged blade]

Chris could just post a picture of him holding the handheld and we could decide. But that not happing. Just more gaslighting

[versed vigil]

You mean the small detail of him giving a personal opinion based on how it feels for him, where he has literally done nothing to claim that it’s “objectively the best”?

[jagged blade]

Engineers?

[solar cairn]

you hope there's a very good chance

[coral valley]

Very pessimistic I see

[limpid ledge]

If we need like a idea of using it Look at Powkiddy x18s and Gpd

[solar cairn]

like i said, we'll be the judge, grain of salt etc. we'll see

[rotund kelp]

tekken tag tournament 2, xenoblade x, zombie u, nintendo land, mario kart 8, lego city undercover, call of duty - black ops 2... this is just stuff i've played

[limpid ledge]

Especially powkiddy x18s

[rotund kelp]

i like how people go "this system has bad games!!! what games???" expecting there to be no answer

[solar cairn]

everything other than nintendoland is on other platforms. also tekken tag on wii u was a bit fucked

[jagged blade]

The ergo of the x18s wasn’t a problem. The shitty buttons and dpad were

[rotund kelp]

yeah

[limpid ledge]

Exactly so with better controls like retroid it's win win

[sacred valley]

I care more about utility. PS layout objectively has more utility because you can claw grip with both hands. Something I ask every Xbox layout fan is "how do you call torrent in Elden ring will running" and they just literally don't. They stand still which is why they all hate Fire Giant battle because without claw gripping that fight is trash. With claw grip (or mouse and keyboard too I guess), it's one of the funnest.

[versed vigil]

Yeah, and that thing’s ergo’s were pretty decent, the main issue was the buttons/d-pad like JayLash said, then then also the shell since that thing was about as “ergonomic” as the average BoxyPixel.

[coral valley]

Claw grip 🤢

[rotund kelp]

wii u has easier-to-emulate titles because they required half the ram and processing power

like... bayonetta 1 and 2 will play even on the rg556

[solar cairn]

not all of us intentionally like to injure ourselves with "claw grip" rest in peace to your hands in 10 years

[severe steppe]

On sd865 I wonder how emulating bayonetta for switch compares to on cemu

[rotund kelp]

if you can't beat fire giant without torrent-call spamming, you're a trash Elden Ring player

[sacred valley]

What do you mean? I literally switch to it for like a second or two to call torrent then go back to normal grip. I use claw grip like 1% of the total time but being able to use it is really helpful and makes many games flow much better and feel more dynamic

[solar cairn]

its working around a flaw of bad game design. people did the same with monster hunter on DS/3DS back in the days before it went mainstream. it actively hurts your hands to do this. it's not fun or smart to do this. dont try to justify it lol

[sacred valley]

I use shield too. I don't play the game naked with a katana haha

[rotund kelp]

lol

[versed vigil]

I don’t recall saying the Wii U had bad games, I specifically asked what games with the context of being someone who actively had a Wii U at launch.

[rigid thicket]

If you can't beat fire giant at level 1 with a stick using a DDR pad you're a trash Elden Ring player 😤

[coral valley]

Don't forget psp

[solar cairn]

oh true i forgot psp, ouch

at least it has bigger buttons, not that it helped much

[coral valley]

Controller mapping really is one of the best things about emulation

[rotund kelp]

I wonder what /vr/ thinks of the RP Flip 2

[versed vigil]

That thing had barely anything on launch, and you even had third parties publicly announcing that they would not be planning on supporting the system right before release.

[jagged blade]

I don’t play modern games. So that analogy is kind lost on me.

[versed vigil]

Cool, so how does that relate to handhelds like this? Where the PS layout most of the time gets screwed over via the handhelds barely having any offset for the sticks?

[sacred valley]

Ill bet you money there is no bases for it hurting your hands to use it for a second or two here or there. All I do is curl my pointer finger down from L1 for a second to press the dpad while keeping my thumb on the analog. You can prefer the ergonomics of dpad bottom but dpad top objectively has more utility.

[solar cairn]

you dont have to explain it to me. and you're wrong lol. just stop doing it, not worth to be "good" at an elden ring boss

[sacred valley]

It doesn't. I was responding to people were talking about controllers in general. You actually cant claw grip on a flip device like I mention because the screen blocks you from transitioning anyways lol

[rotund kelp]

heh. /vr/ is actually quite civil and positive about the flip, even the wii-u layout

[sacred valley]

What's not worth it? The idea I'm going to get arthritis from curling my index finger a little bit, 1% of the time? Come on

[solar cairn]

i DM'd you some light reading on the subject. Just because you dont think about it, doesnt mean it's not hurting yourself. Honestly no one cares about how you kill an elden ring boss anyway. Not worth it

[rotund kelp]

come to think of it, if private reviewers and testers preferred sticks on top, and that brought us the final product, it might not be that bad

[sacred valley]

Thank you, I'll take a look soon!

[rigid thicket]

Not sure it's great to use a niche case (claw grip) as an argument. Otherwise we should all just use AC Reverse Grip for 100% access to all buttons at all times 😂

[rotund kelp]

W T F

[solar cairn]

the light bar directly in your face...

[jolly kayak]

Why is everyone so extreme with their language😭

Like bro no one is making anyone buy these handhelds lol. "Gaslighting" as if you're married to Chris and have an obligation to get through this difficult relationship

[versed vigil]

If we’re talking about controllers in general, then that just further throws the argument out the window because FromSoft games are pretty much the only thing that actively can be argued as needing it (and even then, it doesn’t matter how you beat those games, they’re single player, who’s ranking people in that?)

Most other multi-platform games either are outright made for Xbox controllers since they’re the usual pick for pc games (since Sony likes to fuck with people and make DualSense pretty freaking annoying to set up, don’t even get me started on DS4 before the drivers for that started becoming standard), or they were made with Keyboard and mouse in the first place (for essentially the same reason as the Xbox controller) and the claw grip is just people’s attempts to do a fraction as well with a controller.

[rigid thicket]

Someone should make a controller where it's just two sticks in front and 8 paddles on the back for buttons 🤔

[jagged blade]

You went all white knight there. It’s more of a joke. Sorry you felt so strongly about it.

[solar cairn]

if "gaslighting" is the punch line to your jokes (that no one laughed at), maybe get some new material

[sacred valley]

To be clear, I'm saying it gives you freedom to access both the dpad and analog simultaneously in a realistic and easy way. It's not that niche at all. Watch gameplay of anyone playing Elden Ring without KB and mouse. If they run while calling torrent or using any mappable items while runnig, they are doing what I described. Imo it comes naturally and you won't even think about it. I never even thought about it until I tried an Xbox controller on my PC and thought "wait, what the hell is off here??"

[jagged blade]

Guess I need a joke scientist. Correct?

[jolly kayak]

I just don't like to assume malicious intent on manufacturers side. If Chris is anything of an engineer, we DO take pride in our work and believe in our products. We also want your money of course:p

[solar cairn]

you could take a comedy class, might help

[coral valley]

This discussions kinda gotten out of hand

[limpid ledge]

Lmao

[solar cairn]

i get it lmao

[versed vigil]

Oh, we are not bringing that back up again. That shit was a meme from the start, and the only games where you could argue it was less of a meme was for the 4th gen of Armored Core (4 and For Answer).

[jolly kayak]

Retro Handheld manufacturers be like

[limpid ledge]

Guys it's not deep it would be fine it would be like steam deck outrage then everyone get it and love it

[sacred valley]

It doesn't matter if they have an Xbox controller in mind when developing a game. There is literally no thing you can do on an Xbox controller that you can't do on a PlayStation controller. But the reverse is true. Why is it impossible for people to acknowledge this? It's like a mental roadblock 😅

[limpid ledge]

I'm confident

[solar cairn]

it works in tekken for a giggle

[jolly kayak]

I wasn't there for this; only found out about the Deck when the oled released. Mind blowing that folks didn't like how it looks

[coral valley]

I still don't like the steam deck looks tbh. It might be practical but it's definitely not aesthetically pleasing

[jagged blade]

It’s not that deep at. It’s just funny to me

[limpid ledge]

Yh man what a time felt like yesterday

[floral pebble]

And you can't even do half of what you can with a Nintendo controller on either one

[rigid thicket]

I love how the Deck feels, but I get it looks kind of uggo, ahaha. It's really wide because of all the controls being on the same level.

[solar cairn]

its not intelligent to call what you're referring to as "utility" because 1/ its not healthy 2/ its not ergonomic and 3/ its not "natural". Once again, you're working around bad game design. That "everyone does it" is the worst reason ever, for anything. You need to read what I sent you fr

[limpid ledge]

It's ugly but when you use it and see it ahhh man value made a right choice

[versed vigil]

I mean, that’s pretty much the point of calling it a meme and not flat out terrible.

[limpid ledge]

That's why people can't copy steam deck

[jolly kayak]

Maybe it's a trades thing. I love how industrial the Deck looks. On the other hand, I hate how legion or rog ally look. Putrid modern designs

[coral valley]

I love the legion go look, it's basically just a giant screen with controllers attached

[rigid thicket]

I'm not a fan of them either. Just all sharp angles for no reason.

[coral valley]

True, adding a grip makes it pretty unnoticeable though

[solar cairn]

i havent seen a handheld PC that wasn't hit with the ugly stick

[limpid ledge]

And have a ergo and trackpads at the same time

[jolly kayak]

It's less of an offender than ally I guess. And the detachable controllers are a great novelty too

[floral pebble]

I take it you've never heard of the zotac zone

[jolly kayak]

Zotac mentioned

[solar cairn]

the wot

[rigid thicket]

I don't have one, but being able to remove them and use it as a high powered tablet/laptop is nice.

You can do the same with the others, but it's definitely not as sleek.

[solar cairn]

looks like a batarang

[tawdry dove]

did it ever turn out it actually had good specs aside from being uggo 120hz vrr oled

[limpid ledge]

Legion go is more unique look but it's uncomfortable

[solar cairn]

i built my 7800X3D AM5 gaming PC for around the same price as this "zotac zone" batarang

cant say it's a value purchase

[tawdry dove]

I wouldnt call many of them value purchases its all wants little need

[coral valley]

Someone made an attachment for that actually

[limpid ledge]

That's true That's why if you want to use it like pc tablet legion go is best one

[versed vigil]

Oh hey, someone had the same idea as Wulff Den.

Except, of course, this is way better.

[sacred kindle]

Why people hating on analogs on top

they're p ergo

[limpid ledge]

If you want windows handheld experience it's rog ally

[coral valley]

I have it and the keyboard is a bit small

[rigid thicket]

Oh, that's pretty sleek looking.

Obviously it won't be optimal, but neat.

[coral valley]

Definitely not something I would type 20 page essays on

[tawdry dove]

zoom in a little to see how ill fitting it is

[jolly kayak]

Seeeeeexy!

[limpid ledge]

Ooooo okay

[jolly kayak]

Deck is too fat for that probably but I'd love it if JSAUX did this for it. I've seen the 3d print version but it's meh

[rigid rapids]

What kind of price range do these things normally run?

I'm still sort of new to this whole thing. I know there hasn't been a concrete price announcement for this one yet though

[versed vigil]

Yeah, if a company was able to make something similar, but for use with Mini PC’s (so basically also a screen and you would connect to both it and the Keyboard with 1 USB-C Port, or maybe also an HDMI port), that’s pretty much the exact thing that would make me actually interested in one.

[coral valley]

Fits just fine, it uses the same attachment mechanism as the controllers

[jolly kayak]

The pc handhelds?

[tawdry dove]

I meant how the keyboard looks like its barely fitting in the shell or the shell is just flexing

[coral valley]

It's securely in there

[solar cairn]

I'd order a pizza with that

[coral valley]

It makes any tinkering a lot easier

[solar cairn]

easier than plugging in a usb keyboard?

[versed vigil]

I prefer using a laptop to a desktop, but a minipc would be just small enough for me to use if there was an attachment like that available, I’d only need to worry about finding an outlet for power, and even then that’s assuming I’d actually be leaving the house with it.

[coral valley]

Eh maybe not but it's not much of a hassle to attach it

Takes up less space as well

[solar cairn]

and what do you do with it when it's not attached?

[floral pebble]

Thst looks worse than folio keyboard covers for tablets

[coral valley]

Nothing I guess

[solar cairn]

so it's paper weight

[coral valley]

It's just a Bluetooth keyboard

[solar cairn]

well at least if it's BT i can pair it to something else

[rigid thicket]

It's just a nice to have, but I guess one of those foldable keyboards would do as well.

Whoops, didn't mean to quote.

[versed vigil]

Pretty much, and since it was already made for the Legion Go specifically, there wouldn’t be much reason to get this if you didn’t have it in the first place.

[coral valley]

It was only $50 so I'd say its worth it

[light oyster]

Not everyone, lol 🍻

[tawdry dove]

oh those foldy keyboards are straight trash

not the worst keyboards ive used but near it

[jolly kayak]

I think this is the steam deck variant. Very industrial and bulky

[tawdry dove]

this is the worst keyboard in existance

those shitty trifolds are second to that abomination

[limpid ledge]

Nah when they first announced it but when it put the video out and stuff people was like you know what Hell yes

[coral valley]

Looks cool, just looks like it would draw too much attention

[solar cairn]

is it though?

[versed vigil]

Oh, I thought we were talking about those magnetic keyboards for tablets that are paired with a slim case and was confused on what you hate them for.

But this? Yeah, this is trash.

[tawdry dove]

idk I think id take missinputs of the laser thingie over the waterproof keyboard

[rigid thicket]

Redragon has a proper mechanical keyboard the folds longways so it's like a paper towel roll.

[jolly kayak]

For sure. Probably wouldn't mind bringing it on a trip to a hotel though

[solar cairn]

the iPad Pro folio keyboard is legit. I never thought it would be until I used it for work. 8 hours typing, no problemo

[tawdry dove]

by folding im mean these type of things

the folio tablet ones arent great but they are better

[tawdry dove]

I mean with the kludge its so fucking big anway

just take a 60%

[rigid thicket]

Just toss it in the umbrella/water bottle slot of your bag 😂

[versed vigil]

Yeah, most of them are pretty great. Most of them can even double as a portable Bluetooth keyboard if you get rid of the tablet, since most companies make them detachable.

[versed vigil]

Yup, they’re not as good as a standard keyboard, but they’re not meant to be standard use keyboards in the first place, so the fact they do well in what they were meant to be used for is honestly great.

[tawdry dove]

id at least call them usable the trifold ones just flex and wobble as you type so its even worse

[versed vigil]

I should note that the removable ones I’m talking about are stuff like this, these are pretty much my favorite to recommend solely because of the fact that them making the keyboards removable makes them so much more worthwhile in the long run. Since you won’t have to worry about it going to waste if/when you ever stop owning the tablet.

[sacred valley]

So you can objectively play the game better but don't call it utility? It's not bad game design if it works on KB/M and on PlayStation but not Xbox. I would call that an Xbox limitation, not "poor game design" 🤷🏽‍♂️ but this is definitely agree to disagree territory now, so yeah

[echo lynx]

Reverse claw is thumbs only

Triggers?

Thumbs

[echo lynx]

Design the game for the people

So ps should be prioritized

[rigid thicket]

It's definitely poor game design, you can just work around it with claw grip.
That it's an advantage is true, but it's not meant to be used that way.
"Unintentional but works" isn't the greatest of metrics.

[versed vigil]

“It’s objectively the better controller since it has this utility that’s only really useful for a few games, but said utility both isn’t intended and also outright is a net negative to the health of your hand if you use it too much (and arguably, if you use it at all)” also isn’t a great metric for any grand statements.

[rigid rapids]

No, devices like the Retroid Flip 2

Sorry, I was asking in the context of the channel, not the conversation. That's on me

[versed vigil]

Well the Flip 1 was only like around $10 more than the RP3+ (the flip one was literally just the RP3+ as a clamshell with apparently outright custom hall sliders and analog triggers versus the RP3+’s Joycon sticks and digital triggers).
So assuming this is outright the same as the RP5 (to the point of even using the same sticks, just with new caps), I wouldn’t expect it to be any bit more than $230 at most, and honestly would also not be surprised if it was like $3-$5 less than that.

[rigid thicket]

On the other hand, I'm expecting them to premptively raise the price before the effects of tariffs can be felt so they don't have to justify raising it later.
I'm expecting around $249 (RP5 is $219)

[sacred valley]

The ability to EASILY use the dpad and analog SIMULTANEOUSLY has utility in every single game that has dpad action commands and let stick movement. Probably most 3d action games. But you can live in denial bc you can't admit to one small objective truth for some odd reason.

[sacred valley]

It's not unintentional. I fully believe everyone here would start casually using their pointer finger to use the dpad while their thumb stays on the analog after just a few hours of play. It's not hard and it comes naturally

[versed vigil]

They wouldn’t raise the price for the device itself (that kills sales outside the US), just the shipping price.

[rigid rapids]

Do we have any solid theories on the power of the device? My current handheld can handle some PSP and N64, and I have an Odin Pro that can handle some Gamecube. I'd consider this thing if it was the Odin's power level but pocketable.

[versed vigil]

I literally outright used a PS4 Pro for most of my console games (I count switch as a handheld) and even use a DualShock 4 as my main PC controller. You are trying to convince someone who outright uses the same type of controller that you’re not being weirdly defensive about saying that the claw grip “actually is totally fine for hands, just don’t overuse it”.

[solar cairn]

Trevs picked a weird hill to die on. Oh well. Guess he's blissfully unaware.

[limpid ledge]

The power well it would be sd865 which we got on rp5 and rp mini

Not yet confirmed

But knowing retroid it would be sd865

[jolly kayak]

Trev you may be experiencing democracy currently

[young fulcrum]

kinda funny to see this

[jolly kayak]

To rephrase that; 3% of the time, it's useful 100% of the time

[young fulcrum]

as this brings me back to the old days of PSP cfw and back with the 1000 series PSPs that had IR blasters that you could use IR keyboards with

could use a plugin to use the ir keyboard with the browser or if you had some fancy ones could use it to play quake

[echo lynx]

Utility /= 👍

[jolly kayak]

There are a lot of games that have d-pad functionality but I can't think of a single example that requires you to use both at the same time

[echo lynx]

Simple as

[sacred valley]

I'm weirdly defensive? Okay, is what I said objectively more utility or less? Disregard the possibility of my knuckles dying bc I call torrent to often. Does dpad on top offer the possibility of more utility? Yes or No. Ignore everything else. Yes or no 😂

[rigid thicket]

It's unintentional because you don't design controls on a multiplatform game that's only realistically possible on one style over the other.
I'm not debating that it's objectively an advantage.

[jolly kayak]

Read Dead Redemption II has a silly thing where you need to control camera with the right stick, but the A button is what speeds up and maintains horse speed. That was a bit awkward.

[rigid thicket]

I can use the butt of a gun as a hammer, but it's (usually) not the intended use.

It's definitely an advantage that I can, but it wasn't designed that way.

[versed vigil]

Like, hell, I’ve literally tried using the claw grip multiple times over due to my friends insisting on it being good, and every single time it just felt awkward, worse than using the controller normally, and outright hurt since you’re actively pressing down on them from the side of your fingers, and not the areas where you actively have natural padding for applying pressure with.

[echo lynx]

Bit???

[echo lynx]

Exactly

Utility isnt everything

Not everyone is minmaxing

I just want comfort

[jolly kayak]

Add another question mark

[versed vigil]

I’d call you saying “no, it’s actually great, intended for games, and objectively makes PlayStation better than Xbox” to be weirdly defensive when literally everyone else that’s involved in this particular convo is telling you “dude, that’s not good for your hands, you shouldn’t be doing that in the first place”.

[sacred valley]

I understand your perspective. I just don't get the guy who can't admit it is some advantage, despite how small or unnecessary you may feel about it. Let's objectively weigh the pros and cons of each set up. No set up is 100 pros and 0 cons

[young fulcrum]

actually... hmm i wonder if i still have that picture...

[versed vigil]

I am literally a fellow DualShock user and I’m still telling you that’s not something to praise or consider as being intended.

[solar cairn]

@versed vigil i already DM'd him scientific evidence about claw grip usage, since then he's doubled and tripled down. Not much else can be done imo. Head is firmly stuck in sand.

[limpid ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/control-ps4-gif-25909164

Good times

[jolly kayak]

Oh, I thought of another use case similar to Trev. In order to not use stamina and climb steep hills in Breath of the Wild, I need to use my index finger on the left joystick, and mash whistle(bottom d-pad) while controll camera with the right stick.

Not intended though lol

[echo lynx]

The ergonomics provide more advantage to the buyer

[midnight mauve]

Idk just buy a controller with paddles

[echo lynx]

Oh thank you

Yes

[versed vigil]

Shit, I’m telling you it’s flat out not good to be doing.

[echo lynx]

I have to do that when playing through rdr2

[versed vigil]

Yup, unironically this is flat out way better than the claw grip, even if you can use the claw grip without much issue.

[echo lynx]

A button to move sounds like true pain

[rigid thicket]

Controllers need to have paddles as default going forward to be honest.

[jolly kayak]

I'm sticking with 8bitdo ultimate bluetooth controllers for the rest of the foreseeable future. Works with everything i own, light, ergonomic, no unnecessary lights, nintendo layout

And paddles for remaps. All buttons are remappable for what it's worth

[solar cairn]

They should all be 100% remappable imo

[rigid thicket]

Even just 2 paddles it opens up the possibility for "Hold paddle to swap face button options"

No more jank using dpad as quick slots.

[young fulcrum]

wow cant believe i found it...

[young fulcrum]

this was like... back in 2006?

or 2007....

wew

before the 2000 series psps's came out that i know

[rigid thicket]

This is my favourite controller in terms of comfort and use.
The only thing that would make it better would be a built in X/Y A/B switcher and swappable magnetic buttons.
Kind of like the Gamesir G8+

[young fulcrum]

also sorry nostalgia tripping here when i saw the palm pilot level keyboard posted

[versed vigil]

Like, literally no downsides when the other option is the freaking Claw.

[rigid thicket]

We're all horrifically off-topic right now, no worries 😂

[jolly kayak]

It does have that though, on a software level. There is 3 sets of controls you can switch to and from by press of a button

Just no swappable buttons ye

[rigid thicket]

I've literally set this up and just forgot about it 😂

[jolly kayak]

Haha

[rigid thicket]

Swappable buttons would be nice. It would be a true "ultimate" controller at that point.

[rigid rapids]

Is there a spreadsheet somewhere comparing all these chipsets and what they're known to be able to pull off?

Or am I just being weird again

[rigid thicket]

Well, I guess it would need swappable stick/dpad placement to be fully all encompassing.

[jolly kayak]

Probably what keeps the cost down, maybe.

[rigid thicket]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1irg60f9qsZOkhp0cwOU7Cy4rJQeyusEUzTNQzhoTYTU/edit?usp=sharing

Comparing different handhelds, but you can search by chip if it's been used before.

[jolly kayak]

8bitdo ultimate bluetooth was $55 with the case for me. I think they were like $45 without a case.

[solar cairn]

You can pop out stick caps that are magnetic nowadays. Why not the same for face buttons?

[rigid rapids]

That's exactly what I was looking for!

[rigid thicket]

The Gamesir G8+ does this, but it's a backbone style gamepad

I don't know if their other proper controllers do it.

[sacred valley]

Paddles provide the same or more utility than claw grip. Wow, not hard to acknowledge simple objective facts without derailing to "but what about..."

[solar cairn]

I like how you deliberately ignore the part where claw grip is basically self harm

You're really committed

[jolly kayak]

What the heck is claw grip lol

[sacred valley]

No it's not when you do it for a second or two at a time. You guys keep ignoring the exposure time and act like I'm suggesting using it 8 hours a day

[solar cairn]

I only do it a little bit! It's fine!

[versed vigil]

Look, I don’t know how else to say this, but (at least from my end as a DualShock user) this flat out stopped being about PlayStation vs Xbox a while ago and looking back at earlier comments has started turning into an unintentional intervention.

[jolly kayak]

Paddles allow ya to do it for a loooong time.

[sacred valley]

Yes literally. We are talking about curling your pointer finger a slight bit for a second.

[sacred valley]

I agree, paddles are superior

[jolly kayak]

I do a weird grip when I want to whistle climb in breath of the wild. I don't think it affects me long term at all

[solar cairn]

Once again, you don't need to explain it to me. We've gone full circle

[rigid thicket]

I feel like you can take your thumb off the thumbstick for a literal second without much of a loss if you're only doing it for a second.

And ironically, going from a top stick down to the dpad for a second is easier than going from bottom stick up to the dpad for a second.

[jolly kayak]

Simultaneous though :p like the whistle climb

[versed vigil]

No one answered with an image, so here you go.

[wooden phoenix]

That looks awful. Who's playing like that? Lol. Admittedly not scrolling up to read the past convo about it.

[jolly kayak]

Ah. This ain't so bad. I'd probably do this for a specific sequence but there's maybe 2 scenarios I can think of this being useful for

[tacit latch]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[limpid ledge]

Who the fuck would play like this

[solar cairn]

This is what I sent Trev if anyone is interested, seems Trev won't get any enlightenment from it: https://esportshealthcare.com/claw-grip-for-controller/

[versed vigil]

Literally even just using it for 1 button press is essentially putting pressure on your finger in a direction that it is not meant to have pressure at.

[jolly kayak]

Somehow your finger will manage though

[coral valley]

Jesus are you guys still on about this

[jolly kayak]

If you suffer ANY damage for that, please get checked by a doctor xD. Brittle bones ahh

[limpid ledge]

This omds no wonder why my finger would be finished

[versed vigil]

Oh you won’t feel it now unless you do it too much.

It’s gonna be hell later in life.

[echo lynx]

Ergonomic??

[jolly kayak]

Biiig doubt. Claw grip X to doubt

[echo lynx]

I despise the ergonomics of my ultimate 2c

[jolly kayak]

Currently huffing hopium???????

[echo lynx]

Xbone controller is so much better

But the dpad on my xbone controller is horrible

[limpid ledge]

It would be like playing ps2 controller but worse

[solar cairn]

Why tho

[limpid ledge]

Ps4 is the best playstation controller ever idc

[solar cairn]

Grips too straight?

[jolly kayak]

Just another person using extreme end of the spectrum language lol.

[limpid ledge]

Until tomorrow we ain't done

[jolly kayak]

"I absolutely hate"

"I've never liked"

"I will always buy"

Speaking in absolutes bugs me

[solar cairn]

It's the only way some people know how to communicate. Sad times

[rigid thicket]

Everyone goes to top shelf words these days.

[versed vigil]

Man, I literally main a DS4 as my PC controller and I’m not gonna pretend literally anyone that likes using an Xbox controller is in the wrong.

[versed vigil]

Everyone’s got preferences. The only best controller is the one you like and can play the best with.

[limpid ledge]

Yh man like xbox controller is always good but ps4 controller they cooked with this

Ps5 felt like bit off

[rigid thicket]

I'm a heathen that uses stick for everything even old pixel games so I lean towards the XBox layout.

[young fulcrum]

MH PSP PTSD INTENSIFIES

[rigid thicket]

I have an 8Bitdo Pro that I enjoy the feel of too though.

[jolly kayak]

Wut da heeeeeck

Oddly Animal Well worked like that for me. Stick felt more precise on steam deck

[young fulcrum]

Welcome to playing MH on the PSP

[solar cairn]

Can you 1CC Contra on NES with an xbox stick?

[rigid thicket]

My left index finger still clicks a bit funny from that era 😔

[limpid ledge]

Ugh ewwwwww

[young fulcrum]

Still MH on the PSP still has a soft spot for me

I love modding it and will continue adding features to it lol

[solar cairn]

That's permanent dysfunction, covered in the study I linked just earlier. It'll get slightly worse as you age

[rigid thicket]

I'm not 1CC'ing Contra NES even with a direct neural connection, lets be honest.

[sweet shuttle]

Honestly I've used it plenty for Souls games as well lol

[young fulcrum]

ill never escape modding PSP MH it feels like

[solar cairn]

It's not even that hard there's only like 8 bosses. Cmon gamer

[young fulcrum]

Or well PSP games in general if I could find translators

[versed vigil]

Good lord, are you my long lost brother?

Like, the only time I’m fine with using absolutes is when it’s something that can actively mess you up, and even then I already know anything I can say is pretty much worthless if the other person disagrees. I just dislike when people say something like the claw is “actually good”.

[young fulcrum]

:V

[sacred valley]

What I'm suggesting is already following those recommendations because I'm not suggesting using claw grip for extended periods.

1. I'm already following that recommendation since I only do a second at a time
2. My grip is only a partial claw grip bc I don't need to shift my middle finger to the bumpers.

Sooooo yeah, I don't know what you think that article proves beyond just reading the headline

[sweet shuttle]

Circle is the sprint button in Souls, so you need to use a claw grip to sprint and control the camera at the same time

MH on 3DS alleviates the claw grip because the touch screen has a virtual D-pad (thank god)

[young fulcrum]

You say that

[solar cairn]

I wasn't trying to prove what I already know. Just sharing information to educate

[young fulcrum]

But have you seen the hardcore claw grip fans

Playing claw on 3ds

[versed vigil]

And this is why you avoid playing souls on PlayStation without remapping the sprint button to one of the shoulder buttons or triggers.

[jolly kayak]

To the claw conversation and for the record, I don't think it's a healthy position for longer than 10 seconds or so.

[sweet shuttle]

Nah

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, claw grip is functional but not good, both can be true.

[sweet shuttle]

I got to the end of G Rank on MH4U, and claw grip was never something I needed

[jolly kayak]

Chat has there ever been a bigger true

True brother

[solar cairn]

Big true

[young fulcrum]

Some of these are obvious jokes

But I've seen it

[versed vigil]

See, that I’m at least fine with acknowledging, even if I don’t like it.

[rigid thicket]

I remember these.

[sacred valley]

What the hell does that have to do with what I'm saying then?

Me: partial claw grip for 1 second intervals
You: this article says full claw grip for hours at a time is bad.

Then you accuse me of being willfully ignorant.

[solar cairn]

Ancient DS memes lol

[jolly kayak]

I would use the knuckle of my pinky to tap stuff so the screen wouldn't have finger prints

[echo lynx]

left stick makes me lift my whole hand

the whole thing is tense to hold

dpad is similarly inaccesible

[rigid thicket]

Min/maxing doesn't matter in single player/co-op games honestly.

[echo lynx]

its good and cheap for smash 🙂

[jolly kayak]

How can a controller be tense to hold. A controller is inanimate. You are tense holding it 🤓

[echo lynx]

precisely

the xbone controller is relaxing

[echo lynx]

and holding it only the dpad is annoying

[solar cairn]

It means that dpad top can cause harm, and therefore claw grip isn't worth. Especially when your example was a single player game. Don't know how else to say it. Also kinda done with the subject, has nothing to do with a new clamshell hh

[echo lynx]

i def see how the steam deck dpad and stick right next to each other are really comfy

cant wait for steam controller 2

[versed vigil]

I mean, at least they didn’t say that about the 360 controller.

And I say that as someone who had the 360 as their only Xbox system.

[echo lynx]

gyro analogue triggers and whatnot

[jolly kayak]

This didn't answer his question at all.

[rigid thicket]

I kind of want the Steam Deck 2 to be a clamshell but with proper engineering/money behind it.
Especially since they're all about supplying parts for user repair.

[jolly kayak]

Trev said he sometimes claw grips for a second or two. No where does your article support that being bad for your hand.

For a second or two****

Fine print****

[versed vigil]

Wait, what the hell are you talking about with that “D-Pad on top can cause harm” bit?

[jolly kayak]

They dont seem to know

[sacred valley]

No it doesnt. Youre intentionally being obtuse. You're article nor does any evidence suggest the way I play is harmful. The health concern is for full claw grip uninterrupted for many hours

[coral valley]

Clamshell steam deck would be insanely good

[solar cairn]

His opinion if you remember from hours ago, was that PS layout is better because of the dpad and stick placement. Specifically because he claw grips in Elden ring. It's such a played out convo we've forgotten already

[jolly kayak]

Unless it's smaller or has a second screen, why

[echo lynx]

whos switching grips every seconds

[coral valley]

Pocketable

[echo lynx]

second screen?

mhm valve take my money

[jolly kayak]

Unless it's smaller or second screen*

[coral valley]

Well it's not my fault you answered your own question

[rigid thicket]

The Steam Deck is so wide.
If it was a clamshell it could have the same controls and trackpads and be way shorter.

[jolly kayak]

So why would you answer it again xD

[coral valley]

To clarify?

[solar cairn]

So now you understand the health risk, something that you wouldn't admit for hours on end lol. Good job

[rigid thicket]

Like, I have so many sling bags that I can't quite fit my SD in because it's so long.

[versed vigil]

Yeah, but that doesn’t mean it’s the D-Pad placement that’s being harmful, it’s the usage of the claw grip itself that can be bad for hands.

[rigid thicket]

Especially if it's in a case or something.

[solar cairn]

Tell Trev that lol I'm not the one who needs convincing

He's willing to die on this hill apparently. Made it clear

[rigid thicket]

The Steam Deck legitimately has enough face controls to fill out the bottom of a clamshell 😅

[jolly kayak]

Mmm. If the argument is that a layout that fits claw grip better is the layout that would be best, then yes, Trev wtf

A layout that doesn't require claw grip would be best. They could easily add paddles

[versed vigil]

Ok, but even if I still think and agree that it isn’t fully harmless (it’s a fact of life that anything we do that isn’t intended for our body can do minor damage that builds up for an unpleasant surprise way later in life), he is at least right that “doing it once in a while is nowhere near as bad as doing it uninterrupted for a long period of time”.

[sacred valley]

F tier trolling. All you can do is be disingenuous. Good day sir

[solar cairn]

He's just using an extreme example again. No one ever mentioned hours on end, not even what I linked.

It's the repetitive hyper extension that can cause harm, but whatever, seems like it doesn't matter if it's only a little bit lmao

[versed vigil]

But it’s still up to us to decide what we think is a worthwhile thing to do at the moment and what we want to avoid.

[solar cairn]

Outed himself as a troll eventually. Must be a slow weekend for him.

[severe ridge]

if you dont get carpal tunnel are you even gaming?

get sweaty or touch grass permanently

[limpid ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/pusheen-gaming-expert-gif-26543274

[stray dagger]

dude stop, my wrist are killing me 😩

[jolly kayak]

Nomad you're arguing over a tiny possibility for injury. When the article says repetitive strain, it's easier to assume that this means hours on end. PSP users for example.

Trev left this Reddit argument fairly reasonably.

[solar cairn]

He projected out of it after making things up lol. Claw grip is obviously bad, boss fights last for more than one second. He's not clearing bosses first attempt, let's be honest. Assume what you want, I prefer evidence based decisions

MH on psp and DS are the worst of the worst though, I agree there. No idea how people played those for so long

[limpid ledge]

It's crazy this discussion sparked into argument

[jolly kayak]

Yes claw grip should be avoided i agree.

[limpid ledge]

Easy we was young and stupid

[jolly kayak]

I don't see what's crazy about it

[severe ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/next-time-gadget-dr-claw-gif-5751276

[coral valley]

I think this means we need a claw grip discussion channel

[jolly kayak]

We need a susser channel

[sacred valley]

Thank you for being good faith in your replies 🙏🏽 maybe I didnt seem good faith in some of my replies but it gets frustrating having to repeat myself to others intentionally strawmanning me. You were good faith from the first reply where you corrected me and clarified that Retroid didn't ask for a poll (before the topic changed lol)

[sacred valley]

Dpad top advocacy is a big responsibility

[random tulip]

People get real salty once something is announced

[floral pebble]

What do yall think about using my pinky to support underneath my phone while typing?

[random tulip]

You get the, this is God's gift go buy something else. And you get those who are disappointed it is what it is

And they fight in the handheld arenas of doom!

[sweet shuttle]

I already commented that the virtual D-pad on the touch screen helps a lot with camera control

I never felt the need to go claw grip in the middle of combat, since I found the camera swinging to the monster's position with an L press to be adequate enough for me

[versed vigil]

Funny enough, the pinky finger actually provides up to 50% of your overall grip strength when it’s working in tandem with your ring finger (it doesn’t get that strength when acting alone, it effectively only uses the rest of its tendons when the ring finger is also doing something).

So if there’s any finger you could argue is able to withstand supporting something in a way it’s not meant to, the pinky would probably be that finger (it still wouldn’t be good, but by that point it may actually be legit negligible even in the long term, depending on how it’s positioned when you do that).

[rigid thicket]

Honestly, once you got a feel for monster habits you don't even need to look at them half the time.

[sweet shuttle]

TRUE

You really don't

[severe ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-patrick-star-fish-bowl-tea-gif-16918819

[sweet shuttle]

Especially since monster behaviour wasn't as crazy back then as it is in Rise

[versed vigil]

Like, I cannot understate how much it actually pisses me off when anyone (either in fiction or in real life) says the pinky finger is the least important finger and that “if you had to cut any finger off, that would be the best option”. It literally is meant to be the main powerhouse for your hand, where the rest of the fingers are meant more for dexterity, the exception being the middle finger since that provides the second most strength (which makes sense since that way it’s at least more evenly distributed).

You lose the pinky? You lose effectively a third of your grip strength at least.

[warped leaf]

so not the pinky, but also not the ring finger because that's what the pinky works with, also not the middle finger but also not the thumb obviously

so your option would be to cut off your index finger?

[coral valley]

The ring finger isn't that useful

[warped leaf]

but that's what the pinky works in tandem with

[versed vigil]

Basically, the pinky and ring fingers both mostly use the same tendons for the motion of gripping something, and it’s mostly the pinky that provides support since it’s the one that’s better connected to them. The ring finger can still compensate for the lack of a pinky finger, but that still requires physical training.

[coral valley]

Well if you have to pick one that's the least useful imo (the ring finger)

[warped leaf]

i'm just saying choosing the pinky isn't a wild idea even with your arguments

[coral valley]

You would have a lot less of a balanced grip without the pinky

[versed vigil]

If I had to say the best way to describe it, the thumb is the absolute most important finger for anything relevant to your hands (hence why humanity can thank having opposable thumbs for practically most of its evolutionary development in being able to easily use tools), then the index and middle fingers are more important for dexterity and control (albeit with the middle finger providing strength/support for finer movement), and finally the ring and pinky finger are the ones that are mostly in charge of providing strength for your grip, with them both effectively serving different roles that are both important for grip strength.

[warped leaf]

i think for most people dexterity is more important than grip strength in curent times, so most people would say the pinky of their non dominant hand

for me being a guitarist that question would suck, i suppose i'd still take my non dominant pinky

[coral valley]

I would rather have a finger on both sides of my hand I feel like it'd be too uneven if you lose your pinky

Then you would have a small part of your palm that's just empty

[versed vigil]

Basically, I’ll admit that the original description is a bit too general, but the pinky is effectively the main thing that helps give your grip its strength.

[icy ginkgo]

What's with the Joey retro handhelds video? Seems angry at Stubbs re:flip2?

[coral valley]

He's always angry

[icy ginkgo]

Touche lol

[coral valley]

Like that just looks wrong

[urban jewel]

I need someone to explain this meme to me

[versed vigil]

Long story short, the answer to the question of “which finger would you rather lose if you had to lose one” is really a trick answer of none of them because our hands are among the most complex components in our body (the only part that’s more complex being the brain), and messing with it in any way could drastically lower its ability to function in ways we wouldn’t even be able to expect until it happens.

[coral valley]

We were talking about which finger would be the least important

[versed vigil]

Yup, and my topic was based on the fact that I get annoyed when people mistake the pinky as being that, but I never claimed that there was a least important finger.

[rigid thicket]

I injured my pinky a while back and doing things without it was suffering.

[urban jewel]

I'd imagine going from having all of your fingers to missing any of them would be suffering because you wouldn't be used to it

easiest one to adapt to missing would prob be ring finger

[coral valley]

That's what I'm saying

[versed vigil]

Because literally all of them use tendons connected to our forearm muscles for most of their “strength”, none of them actually have muscles of their own. This means that not only would it be possible to lose most of your grip strength just from someone stabbing the palm of your hand or even the forearm in any particular way (you literally do not have to directly damage your fingers at all to ruin their ability to function), but you outright could lose some of the tendons in 1 finger just due to another different finger getting cut off.

[versed vigil]

Pretty much.

[icy bramble]

Almost 10 years ago now I sliced open the top of my left hand and cut all my tendons, I made probably as full a recovery on that end as I could but today there's some basic things that my right hand can do my left gets fucked over for even trying

The big one is that in Fortnite Festival it's really easy to stress it out with just the left and up inputs on the Dualsense.

[icy bramble]

And it's usually not even on complex patterns lol, I first really felt it with this chart https://youtu.be/EYK_jWJVfoU

In short don't fuck around with your hands, if the science says no that probably means no if you wanna get the most out of games now and in the future.

[floral pebble]

All this talk of corporate tunnel systems and slicing tendons is giving the impression that this has less than optimal ergonomics

[severe ridge]

no its got fine ergos, people are just yet again finding something to gaslight about

they do it every single release

[wooden phoenix]

Don't worry. If this device definitely isn't for you we are cool with that. Plenty of other channels for things you do like. 😅🍻

I have my reservations but I know I'm grabbing one. 😅

[echo lynx]

What an example

[echo lynx]

Scott the Woz?

Is that you??

[random tulip]

I have reservations as well. But I'll try it

[wooden phoenix]

Worse case scenario you sell it on marketplace for retail minus shipping and get almost all your money back. Lol

People are still selling the rp5 and rp mini for basically retail and sell them fast.

[opaque harbor]

Wouldn't that be a nexdock

[versed vigil]

Sort of, except I’d prefer something way less expensive and lower tech since I literally just want it to be a streamlined laptop with literally nothing but the keyboard and the screen, and it does not need to be a particularly good/expensive screen, it just needs to be 1080p and IPS.

[opaque harbor]

Lower tech then a screen with a keyboard and battery?

[versed vigil]

You mean the “low tech” $299 device that actively has several functions that wouldn’t be possible if it legit was just a screen with a keyboard and battery?

[versed vigil]

Like the fact it can convert the phone’s os to look more like a desktop if the phone itself also supports allowing that? Or the fact it has direct built in functionality for treating your phone’s screen as a touchpad?

[opaque harbor]

Are you talking about a newer model or something?

[versed vigil]

Yeah, the XL.
It’s the one that’s a laptop and not just a tablet.
https://nexdock.com/nexdock-xl/

If there is a way lower tech version that is just the keyboard and screen, then I’ll have to check their list of things again.

[opaque harbor]

From what I recall nexdock just relies upon a phone with a desktop mode to work since it is a display with controls

[versed vigil]

Ok yeah, now I see the listing with the Mini PC mentioned.

Huh, still $299.

Did I end up back in the XL listing again?

[opaque harbor]

Could also get one of those screens Russ has reviewed I guess and add a wireless keyboard

[opaque harbor]

I don't recall it ever being super cheap since it is a niche device

[versed vigil]

Oh yeah, I have genuinely considered making my own thing multiple times.

[opaque harbor]

Not alot of people get laptops without a processor 😅

[versed vigil]

No the weird part is that this is the exact same price as the XL.

So unless I ended up back on the listing for the XL somehow despite clicking on the regular option, they’re effectively charging the same price for both of them.

[opaque harbor]

They are the same price I think

With somewhat different functions

[versed vigil]

Yeah, ok that feels weird. There isn’t even much of a difference in functionality, and in fact I think the XL flat out has more features than the regular option (instead of the vice versa which would at least make more sense) with that “touchpad mode for the phone” also being able to serve as a wireless charger.

[versed vigil]

Huh, I expected the niche to come at a price, especially since they’re adding stuff like a battery since obviously a phone alone wouldn’t support all that stuff, but this is actually weirder than what I anticipated.

Welp, wish them the best, I guess my best bet for my idea (since I’d rather avoid having the battery) is gonna just be making my own if I ever do get a mini pc.

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, you're right, the difference is one is bigger than the other with a magnetic "dock" you can connect with and the other you have to use a cable and is smaller.

Wonder why they're the same price.

[rotund kelp]

nah, just people getting butthurt on the internet. it's the same as ever

[rigid thicket]

It's pretty niche though. I feel like you can get a chromebook for around the same price. Or if you want to use your phone specifically you can get a cheap portable monitor and get a folio keyboard.

Since it just uses the phone's desktop/dex mode.

[jagged blade]

Do we need a flip2?

[versed vigil]

Yup, and my idea was specifically just to make it for a mini pc, or for a raspberry pi. Basically just an interface for a computer so that I can actively pack it up more easily than a full sized keyboard and monitor.

[rigid thicket]

Yes if only because they no longer sell the Flip 1 😅

[jagged blade]

Fair

[rigid thicket]

If it's for a miniPC/Pi can you not just use a portable monitor with a folio keyboard?

[versed vigil]

Well yeah, that’s why my idea was to just make my own with exactly that.

I was just curious since I feel like something like that would at least make sense for a raspberry pi add-on, and apparently the only time anyone has done that is literally now with the Raspberry Pi 5.

[wooden phoenix]

For a pi you could just get the pi400 and a portable monitor. I believe that the pi foundation has their own monitor too now.

[versed vigil]

Yeah, my main idea was just to find the same thing, but it would interface with a mini PC to basically act as a portable keyboard and monitor put into one.
It’s a dumb idea that only really makes sense to someone like me that’s obsessed enough with organization that I actively prefer a laptop over a desktop just because it’s easier to move around if I need to.

[rigid thicket]

We're getting into an area where it's getting harder to justify a full desktop when a sufficiently powered laptop + external GPU solution is almost on par now.

[jagged blade]

Guys new news.

[rigid thicket]

You don't even really need a powerful laptop unless you really want to heavily game on it. Just have an adequete CPU on it.

And even with that they're getting pretty capable.

[jagged blade]

Sorry wrong chat

[coral valley]

Yeah, we just need more tb5 products

[versed vigil]

Shit, if you literally just want a light computer for simple browsing and maybe some older games, I’m pretty sure the Pi400 that just got mentioned will be enough for that, and then you can just get a console for most of the current games. Or you can get the Pi500 if you want more juice than the Raspberry Pi 4 can provide.

[severe ridge]

if your just light browsing then get a monitor and keyboard and connect your phone lol

[versed vigil]

That too.

We’re in a weird time where the only reason you really need to have a mid-high end desktop, besides pc gaming, is if you work extensively on something that demands detailed 3d modeling and/or simulated stress testing, like for engineering (I’m not joking when I say that kind of stuff can be both a GPU and ram hog).

[rigid thicket]

I'd still rather game on PC rather than console because your PC library carries forward baaaasically forever.

[versed vigil]

Well…maybe games from GOG, and only really if you keep the offline installers backed up. Rob did just have a game which got delisted from basically everywhere for licensing (Transformers Devastation) in his Winlator showcase for the Odin 2 Portal.

[wooden phoenix]

I only have a desktop because of my jellyfin server. Or I wouldn't own one at all. My laptop does everything I could want

I didn't know they already released the pi500 I'll have to look into it. I knew they added the 2gb pi5 and a 16gb pi5

[rigid thicket]

Steam's pretty good about letting you keep games you've bought even if they're delisted by the publisher.
But if you have it downloaded it's basically yours unless the game itself has some gross DRM.
Steam itself isn't DRM, it's why so many pirated copies of games are just the entire game folder from a Steam copy.

[versed vigil]

It’s pretty interesting since they also have the solder points for adding a m.2 slot to the device and it actually does function with an nvme drive, with the proper speeds and everything, if you solder one in.

[rigid thicket]

But yeah, if you have any portable computer (laptop, handheld, whatever) capable of using an external GPU you're basically good to go for the foreseeable future.

We're held back by both current console capabilities and just the sheer work needed to make games that push any harder than they do currently.

To the point where the games themselves are suffering usually.

[coral valley]

I'm considering selling my desktop for the new xgmobile coming out

[rigid thicket]

Can't think of the last time I even really played a AAA game.

I do remember being disappointed every time lately though. 😂

[versed vigil]

Yeah, and honestly I’m fine if the gaming industry for everything below AAA focuses on sticking to optimizing what we currently have instead of trying to push further (which ends up just lowering the number of customers who can afford the parts needed to play those games).

[versed vigil]

I’m just flat out not expecting AAA industry to survive when they keep blowing practically millions of dollars for every single game.

[rigid thicket]

It's absurd the amount of money they throw at AAA games.

[coral valley]

At this point graphics are about as photorealistic as they can get, I just wish more focus was spent on next gen game physics and animations

[wooden phoenix]

Closest I get to AAA is Skyrim with hundreds of mods 🤣

[rigid thicket]

Animations especially.

[wooden phoenix]

But using 4k mods pushes the hell out of a PC.

[rigid thicket]

That's mostly because Bethesda's engine is literally garbage 😂

[versed vigil]

Nah, it’s just way too demanding for its own good.

[rigid thicket]

Photorealistic graphics with jank animations and collisions are almost worse than bad graphics.

[wooden phoenix]

But the game is sooooo damn good. Like mods keep it from ever getting old 🤣

[coral valley]

Too often I'll see beautiful environments mixed with awkward character models

Starfield is definitely a good example of that

[versed vigil]

Literally every single object in the whole world that you can see is an actual tactile object you can grab.

[versed vigil]

Everything.

[wooden phoenix]

I honestly wish more games were so moddable as Skyrim and fo4. Would make games so much more interesting.

[versed vigil]

Even Valve didn’t do that with Half-Life since they already knew it would effectively be wasting resources on simply rendering everything in a manner that could be moved freely.

Bethesda, as you can tell, just said “fuck the performance, we’re doing it”.

[rigid thicket]

Nah, the engine is inherently awful. The modding community universally agree on that point.

Often they're fighting against it.

[coral valley]

I mean it is a really interesting mechanic, but I think some concessions should have been made by now

[rigid thicket]

The fact that there are optimization mods exist that don't remove any objects or anything can attest to this.

[wooden phoenix]

It's more the awful updates Bethesda still pushes than the engine itself. Their stupid updates break everything

[versed vigil]

Oh I agree it’s archaic. We’re talking about what is essentially a game designed for full interactivity, including real time characters working in the background, made way before any of the tech to optimize this stuff even existed.

[rigid thicket]

Bethesda is basically the Miyoo of games. The consumers are the ones that make them worth buying.

[versed vigil]

And yeah, half the time Bethesda basically manages to make things worse with what are supposed to be updates.

[rigid thicket]

They also introduced the concept of selling individual game items for real money and I've never really forgiven them for that 😂

[versed vigil]

Oh I’d say it’s even worse, since Bethesda’s engine is a shitty awful mess that is woefully underdeveloped.

But it’s also the literal only engine that could possibly handle the absolutely insane and unnecessary bullshit they do with their games.

[jagged blade]

Guys there is a #742753724786540617 and #1024355151181533346 rooms for reasons

[rigid thicket]

...oh god we've gone so off-track I forgot this was the Retroid Flip 2 channel 😂

[wooden phoenix]

I mean. No one is mentioning the flip 2 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️🍻

[versed vigil]

We’re off track from the original conversation.

[wooden phoenix]

I'd be happy to chat about the flip 2. Aside from ergonomics. Or stick placement haha

[versed vigil]

We already started out following the wrong map and managed to get so lost we didn’t even end up in that map’s endpoint.

[rigid thicket]

Still hoping for flat back with some fancy magnetic ergo grip option.

[jagged blade]

Magnetic grips. You have my ear.

What’s everyone thing about price. 249?

[wooden phoenix]

Probably about there. Maybe a bit less

Can't possibly be more or I'm quickly out and will buy a year from now on marketplace lol

For anything closer to 300 I can find other things to interest me and keep using my flip 1

[versed vigil]

I’m expecting only $230 if it’s literally just the RP5 as a clamshell, and then more if they have something like more ram/internal storage, or a bigger battery, or maybe even just a second sd card slot for Linux support (while being able to have an ExFAT second sd card for both Android and Linux), or for Android-only users to have 2 sd cards as an option for storage.

[rigid thicket]

I feel like we should've been sus that all the extra engineering for their first clamshell only added up to a $10 increase, ahaha.

[tacit gorge]

i hope they keep the m buttons. they were super useful and just in the right spot.

[serene storm]

M buttons were next to the triggers

[opaque harbor]

Man I hate the yellow right stick

I know it was a thing on GameCube but it clashes

[serene storm]

Purple and yellow are complimentary colors. I don’t like the GameCube color either though. Cant wait to see other options

[tacit gorge]

show me a picture of the back of the device. then we’ll talk.

[fathom geyser]

I love Gamecube colorway but I’m hoping they do ice blue or just blue

[glass prism]

I really hope that Gameboy looking device has good integer scaling (and also doesn't cost an arm and a leg)

[strange ivy]

If it uses the same screen as the Ayaneo DMG, then it wouldn’t be good for many consoles integer scaled. The DMG’s only good for integer scaling GBA, GBC, NES, SNES

That said, those are the only consoles I’d use that device for

[glass prism]

Luckily, those are 90% of the only consoles I care about lol

[strange ivy]

Ditto. I’ve been on the hunt for an OLED device that would do those consoles well. Only thing that came close is the Ayaneo DMG.. Which is wayyy overpriced and overspecced for those consoles. Hopefully this will be the answer for it.

[random tulip]

Ditto. Extra buttons are so useful

[wooden phoenix]

If it's good for those it's also good for GB, master system, Genesis, tg16, tg16cd. Pretty much everything retro console. 😅

[icy bramble]

#1336037750889250960 message
Yes, everyone who didn't buy the Flip was waiting for the Flip 2 to bring them Wii.

Actually what if they don't give us an Oled screen, will that be a deal breaker

[echo lynx]

raah magicx threeDS

[rotund kelp]

why is this device making people so broke-brained

[sacred kindle]

this is the first time i see this term 💀

[tacit latch]

yes, full speed upscaled GC/PS2 in a clamshell is still the dream, the first flip didn't quite give us that

[tacit latch]

The screen on the promo picture looks 5.5" to my eyes, so it's extremely likely it is the same screen as the RP5

[echo lynx]

maybe its ust zoomed in

how can you judge with no confirme scale?

[tacit latch]

rough visual estimation based on button size to screen size

it's impossible to say with 100% certainty of course

but it looks a lot like 5.5 to me

[rotund kelp]

if it isn't the same proportions as the last flip, it won't be pocketable, and that will tee off a lot of people who liked it

[echo lynx]

boom!

full sized sticks!

screen is now 4 inches

[random tulip]

I mean it doesn't have to be the exact same proportions

I'd sacrifice some pocket for better ergo

[tacit latch]

if that were the case then the dpad and face buttons would be too big, I'm assuming the size of those is roughly the same as other Retroid handhelds

[rotund kelp]

the whole point of clamshells is to naturally block lint, be wallet-sized, and live in a pocket, purse, or small bag

[random tulip]

I think they're mini sticks

[echo lynx]

joke

[tacit latch]

I think this will at least match a DSi XL which is pocketable enough, maybe even smaller; the magic here are the bezels, reduce them enough and you can fit a large screen in a still relatively compact package

[random tulip]

All of which Ive done without a clam but don't tell anyone 🤫

Screen protection is def the biggest reason. Sans screen protector. Should let them use a non laminated screen. Tho the render looks like it's still laminated

[wooden phoenix]

Great thing about a render is it isn't the real thing. 😅

I'm sure some of the speculation is accurate but these rumors mill channels are a headache to read lol
Especially this one.

[solar cairn]

im with @tacit latch it looks 5.5" to me. the scale is everything that came before

[tacit latch]

well real units already exist according to Chris from Retroid

so the render can't be too far from reality if units have already been made

[wooden phoenix]

Have we seen those? Lol. I'm not saying it won't look like the render. I'm saying it isn't a picture. Their renders have always been misleading.

Look at the renders of the watermelon flip vs the actual

[random tulip]

I remember reading that what was floating around was some 3d printed proto

Not an actual unit

Could be wrong but

[tacit latch]

of course there's always some leeway, but things like screen size are likely to be accurate

[wooden phoenix]

Plus. Retroid isn't anbernic. They don't stock pile stock then release it. They do batches. What Chris has might be a proto unit and subject to change

Until day it goes on sale they don't have any units

[random tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-jimcarrey-chance-telling-me-theres-a-chance-gif-5465317

So what you're saying is it could be a 10" flip

[wooden phoenix]

False. Retroid hasn't made a single retail unit yet. And won't until it goes live. That's how they do it every time. It won't change

[fluid stone]

It's 12 feet long and it can breathe fire

[random tulip]

Watch final have centered sticks and dpad and buttons on top

[formal latch]

Bad omen considering everyone said the fan didn't actually do anything for the heat on the og flip... Mighty jinx it saying that

[random tulip]

And everyone claiming wii u layout is God's gift to earth praising the new layout 😆

I don't care either way. It's an auto buy once I've found out if the hinges don't implode on stiff breeze

[fluid stone]

We will still be right, we'll always be right

(I don't actually adore the wiiu layout that much, though I don't mind it)

[random tulip]

I mean I can make anything work

[fluid stone]

The chip runs cold so it comes with a heater unit to heat the chip to appropriate temperatures

[random tulip]

Even if it's objectively inferior

[random tulip]

Too OP

[echo lynx]

wii u!!!!

steam deck!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[random tulip]

Watch bottom have N64 controller ergos. Just a big hump right down the middle

[tacit latch]

here's how I look at it: from render to retail units the differences are usually in aesthetics, i.e. how the colors look, texture etc; but in overall size, structure, layout, and so on the render can be understood as accurate

[formal latch]

Twice the size of the device. Rendering it the first UnPocket device, they're new line of premium devices

[random tulip]

I doubt anything in the render changing a ton. What we don't know is what's on the top and back

The top has 8 buttons, 6 of which are triggers

All jokes aside, a mod button on the back would be kinda cool. Or some ergos and paddles...

[fluid stone]

Steam Deck is probably my favorite layout. WiiU layout is neat but the buttons and d-pad being on the bottom isn't as good as them being on the same height as the sticks

[echo lynx]

i feel its superiority on my xbone controller

cant wait for steam controller 2

[fluid stone]

Add some hooks and a sticky section and an easy to press honk button that makes it honk like a goose when lightly pressed

If valve is able to replicate the deck layout for a controller that will be very very neat

[tacit latch]

by the way, random observation but the stick caps here look very similar to the ones on the GPD Win Mini

those are pretty decent sticks if they are the same

smaller than full size, but decent

[fathom geyser]

Chirs said it’ll use the normal retroid sticks

[tacit latch]

I see

[random tulip]

Honestly why I'm tempted to grab an E6 Max when they drop

[solar cairn]

maybe in another 10 years they'll nail it with the steam controller 3

[fluid stone]

Is that real

[random tulip]

Switch pro controller layout. Pretty awesome layout

[fluid stone]

Hey ign I don't think the steam controller 1 looks like that

[echo lynx]

isnt that literally just xbone

and xbox did it first

[solar cairn]

yup, note the a/b button placement

[echo lynx]

even the diamond buttons and non symmetrical sticks was xbox first

gamecube had some weird

[random tulip]

Shhhh. People then take sides instead of just admitting it's good

[echo lynx]

button

[solar cairn]

already saw so many comments taking a dump on Hori for making it, as if they are some no-name low quality brand that hasn't been around since last century

[echo lynx]

steam controller 2 looks to be steam deck but controllerized

so not just an xbone controller with capacitative sticks and gyro

[sacred kindle]

brainrot thoughts: steam deck mini but the sticks are removed and you use the track pads in place of them

wait this ain't the valve channel

[solar cairn]

yes, that one isn't a rumor

[random tulip]

Steam decks inset sticks only work because the back has some awesome contours. Just so comfy. Hold in one position and play with anything. Again the steamdeck package just impresses me. Like they put in the work

[jolly kayak]

We all agree the Hori Steam Controller is e waste right?

[fluid stone]

Oh that's a hori licensed controller

[random tulip]

I have no clue. I never used it

[fluid stone]

I guess that could imply an official one isn't coming soon but idk

[random tulip]

But the layout is fine and widely liked/accepted

[solar cairn]

yeah ofc, they have enough cash to spend on r&d and aren't in a hurry to push out some crap every 3 months. i couldn't even buy a deck if i wanted to when it dropped, Valve literally didn't want my money

[jolly kayak]

But there's no reason to buy it because it's more expensive and doesn't have gyro or rumble so wtf would someone buy it over 8bitdo

Hori dropped the ball and I hope it s a huge financial loss for them so they learn a lesson

[fluid stone]

It has the steam logo! That's worth it

[jolly kayak]

KEK

[fluid stone]

The steam deck is sex epic, they went through a ton of different designs and it really shows. I'm still surprised no other handheld PCs use that layout

[random tulip]

Honestly it wasn't that hard to get. Just had to still care a month past actual deliveries

[solar cairn]

it's as official as you'll get until a steam deck 2 opens possibilities to add some first party accessories

valve could do their own grips and wireless controllers no problem if they wanted

[fluid stone]

It's official but it doesn't necessarily mean they won't make their own and leave the hori as a cheaper option, like on the swimtch

[random tulip]

Who knows. Maybe they are. Like you said they just don't rush

[jolly kayak]

It's just sad that it's branded as a steam deck controller, when it's a $5 PoS with the logo slapped on

[fluid stone]

Though yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they wait until the Deck 2

[solar cairn]

didn't ship to australia for so long that grey market imports became normal for years

[random tulip]

Ah. Ok. Im US spoiled when it comes to steam. My two friends who live abroad I just bought them for them and shipped

[solar cairn]

If it was a Steam fight stick it would have been my goat. Hori sticks are peak, oh well

[jolly kayak]

But it doesnt have rumble 😭

Why would I buy a steam controller that is not a steam deck

Put a steam sticker on your 8bitdo controller

[random tulip]

I could care less about rumble but it should cost less if it doesn't

[jolly kayak]

Yeh if it was $40 I'd be less outraged

[solar cairn]

least its not mad catz

[jagged blade]

When do we think the next information dump will be?

[coral valley]

Probably late February or early March I think

[noble canyon]

more info will probably be released this week but idk when pre-order dates will be announced

we'll probably at least get to know some general info like if the screen is the same as RP5 (the answer is likely a yes) and stuff like size dimensions and get stuff like images in more angles like the back of the device and what-not

[waxen jolt]

you need this

[warped vale]

Some thoughts on the flip 2
https://youtu.be/yx9BeaDZiOk

[desert canyon]

don't give them the non oled 6gb of ram idea!!! Great video though man. I'm fine shelling out 230-250 for the flip convenience

likely won't buy it if it's not OLED

[blazing burrow]

Awesome vid man! That color pops like the old XD Red edition

[copper burrow]

Sounding goood

[sacred kindle]

vertical 👀 👀

[random tulip]

https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1339773221175824415

[wary briar]

Aint missing this. I missed the og flip, i missed rp5, i aint missing this

i will load rocknix on this and pretend its the max4 that i always wanted

[sage moat]

What you mean you missed the rp5 just get it 🤣

[wary briar]

i refuse to pay full price for it when i could have gotten it at early price

also i think i truly meant i missed the 2s

[echo lynx]

Aliexpress sales rn

[random tulip]

Especially for the RP5. Wasn't it only like $20 savings. And that's ignoring sales that have dropped a couple times now

Personally I'd spend the extra $20 on a device that's been out for a bit and is known not to self destruct then save $20 and be a guinea pig 😁

[echo lynx]

It's not an extra 20, it's full price

[random tulip]

Early bird was $199 for the RP5 no? So skipping preordering and buying full price once it was a clear winner was $20 more

[sacred kindle]

RP4 Pro is like 175$, regular RP4 is 135$
I know RP5 is charismatic as hell, but I personally would love to get an RP4 for my PSP needs

[wary briar]

$20 alot of money

i can finally buy 2 starbucks with that money

[urban jewel]

was it? I thought RP Mini was $199 and the 5 was always $219

[sacred kindle]

20$ gets me a meal that lasts the entire day and a half

[wary briar]

SEE YOU GET IT

[warped vale]

I dont think theyll do it, I was just throwing some ideas on how they could cut costs, I want an oled or I know I wont use it

[warped vale]

thanks man and yeah red looks sweet

[tacit latch]

very curious to see what other colors they do besides GC indigo

[glacial creek]

🤞 US Snes

[coral valley]

Black with leds 🤞

[tacit latch]

I'd like to see something new

how about metallic colors like the 3ds?

feel like that hasn't been tried yet in retro handhelds

[jagged blade]

RG280 has one of those

[coral valley]

A metal shell would go hard

Wish we got more metal handhelds

[tacit gorge]

imho a metal shell would add weight and therefore discomfort with this particular form factor. with the clamshell design the weight of the screen is off center which means you’ll need to add some effort to keep the device from falling over while holding it. something you don’t need to do with a candy bar design.

it was already an issue to some with the flip 1.

[hybrid viper]

Metal handhelds is a meme. It's a straight up worse material to make a handheld mold out of because any heat is much more easily transferred plus it adds weight and cost

You can like them that's fine, but understand that they're worse in every way

I'm also into flashlights and in that community there's a big hard-on for titanium flashlights even though titanium is more expensive and transfers heat a lot better than aluminum (you don't want this on a flashlight) I can't help but notice the parallels

[icy bramble]

Gotta be able to use it as two different types of weapons.

[strange ivy]

Wouldn’t mind the hinge part being made out of metal though.

[night badger]

Great 👉 points but sometimes metal just feels right ✅️

[scenic mortar]

Aye.

Flip is my favourite ARM device of all time. 2 years after launch, and it's still my main ARM device. Very interested in flip 2.

But retroid seem to mess up most of their first batches in some way or another.

Throw in a hinge and unknown recessed sticks....and I am good to wait for the reviews, and then wait a few months more for QA.

[strange ivy]

Yeah definitely won't be an early adopter of the Flip. The vertical on the other hand

[sweet shuttle]

I think it's great for lower power stuff, since thermals are much less of a concern

But for anything that needs a fan?

Absolutely not

I have a GPD Win Mini, and it's not a super nice experience because of the metal shell lol

[scenic mortar]

Aye. My Q88 is nice as a metal device. But I only do Gameboy, and some light GBA on that thing.

[scenic mortar]

I hope this one has stacked analogue triggers like the first one. Stacked makes PS/N64/GC/PS2 so much nicer.
Analogue triggers are great for Saturn/DC/GC.

[polar whale]

these devices have rizz now?

[fluid stone]

Sticks are placed up top for the rizzler
You're so OLED
You're so snapdragon
I just wanna be your retroid
Freaking ship to me
Give me your comfort grip

[vivid seal]

The original flip was concave in on the screen so it could accommodate the lift on the buttons and sliders. That reduced the size of the screen.

I wonder what kind of bezel and concave inset the flip 2 will have on the screen

[scenic mortar]

Just have inset d-pad and inset buttons.

Job done.

[tacit latch]

I don't think that played a factor in screen size tbh

like you can always make the device a couple cm longer to accommodate for the curved concave edges if needed and it wouldn't make the device much bigger

in fact the first flip was surprisingly compact, other than in the thickness department

they could have easily made the first flip 5-10 cm longer and nobody would have complained

which I guess is what's happening with the 2

all this is to say that they can probably fit the 5.5 rp5 panel while keeping the concave design of the first flip without much issue

[wooden phoenix]

Honestly it's OLED and clam. You're all going to buy it regardless. 😅

Well speculating OLED. But makes the most sense. I don't care if it's OLED but I'll buy another clamshell 😅

[scenic mortar]

I mean, pretty guaranteed it'll be the most powerful arm clamshell ever.

So it'll have that at least.

[rigid thicket]

For now.

[jagged blade]

Most powerful android clamshell

[dreamy patio]

It looks so nice, but theres totally enough space on the bottom for a dual screen

[hybrid viper]

Keep in mind as soon as you guys buy this we will get a Ayn Odin 2 Flip with 8g2 and oled

That's how the universe works

[severe ridge]

Ehhh the battery was short on the odin2 mini, can't imagine that being better

[noble canyon]

Oled over miniled would greatly improve battery tho

That screen was killing battery, it also really scaled to brightness unlike rp5 oled which barely changes battery life if ur at 0% brightness or 100%

[severe ridge]

SDg2 doesn't sip power like 865 tho

I'm sure it will be fine if it's at least a 5k battery either way tho

[plush silo]

I genuinely would love AYN making an Odin Flip of some kind if it's done well

[floral pebble]

With a portal sized screen? It'd definitely have more space for battery

[coral valley]

That'd be a little big imo

[plush silo]

Maybe more like og Odin 2 screen size, or 6 inches

[coral valley]

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they just took the flip 2, added an 8 gen 2, and made it cost like $100 or so extra

[floral pebble]

Retroid should do that themselves honestly flip pro

[plush silo]

Give you two Flip 2s, one with 865, another with a 8 Gen 2 or similar for a considerably higher cost kind of like what they did for 4/4 Pro maybe?
Idk, I like the simplicity of just one chip the product is made with in mind, but wouldn't be against it.
Granted, don't think Retroid wants to get into that kind of pricing

[coral valley]

Yeah I don't think they've ever released a product in the $300 range have they?

[floral pebble]

$250 is already getting into the point where I don't feel like the soc should be the choke point though

But maybe I'm just spoiled

[coral valley]

I mean it is kind of losing the price/performance. Especially considering the odin 2 would be like $50 more

[plush silo]

It being a clamshell will make it a lot smaller than the Odin 2 at least.
I think that alone could make it compelling still even if the Odin 2 was only like $50 more

I want this to be a really good secondary handheld for me for when I inevitably run my set-up of Steam Deck and Flip 2, or whatever other handheld I decide to go for. I haven't decided yet if I want the Flip 2 or not x)

[coral valley]

I was planning on buying the flip 2, but I kind of want to see what MagicX has going on

[echo lynx]

And ds

[coral valley]

One can only hope

[rigid thicket]

I don't want to miss out on the pre-order discount and stuff for the Flip 2, but if the specs are kind of comparable but the MagicX SP shape more easily fits into a pocket I might go for that instead.

[echo lynx]

The twist?

Twosp

[rigid thicket]

They might be trying a dual screen handheld too though so who knows.

[naive blade]

if the odin 2 flip looked like this I would buy in a heartbeat

[echo lynx]

Raaaah super sp

[rigid thicket]

Honestly, if I ever see a second hand GPD Win Mini I might just nab that, it's literally just slightly taller than a 3DSXL and a bit thicker.

[naive blade]

battery life though 😔

[rigid thicket]

You can get quite a lot out of it with power management.

[naive blade]

if you watch russ's video for anything more demanding than ps1 ur looking at 1 or 2 hrs of gaming

[coral valley]

I really wish there was more compatibility for arm pc gaming, x86 handhelds battery really suffers

[echo lynx]

Windows on arm is good for us on android

We benefit from wine

Weirdly apparently there were wine 10 arm64 builds but I can't find them anywhere

[noble canyon]

They’re both efficient iirc

865 is very efficient too

8 gen 2 is technically more efficient but I think it takes more wattage to run games to balance out

Battery should be fine with oled, probably similar to rp5 numbers which are close to Odin 2 numbers

[sage moat]

I want a screen mod for this one day would be expensive asf but worth it

[stray dagger]

The audacity of you guys to think, that you could avoid the Flip 2, just because there will be a better alternative a few months down the line

[steady osprey]

The Flip 2 is my most anticipated device since the RGB30

[echo lynx]

Raaaah super sp

[median ether]

Looking at the official render of the flip 2, it seems like hand placement of reaching the dpad or face buttons and triggers or sholders would be uncomfortable for retro systems... Am I wrong?

[noble canyon]

@median ether its formatted the same way as the gpd xd+

which was the most popular retro handheld pre-covid

my guess is that the ergos are okay. ChrisCovers said he has a prototype of it and that the ergos arae good but he works for retroid so i'd take that with a grain of salt imo

it's probably way more comfortable for streaming at least

[median ether]

@noble canyon I haven't heard of the gpd xd+. I'll look it up. I'm new to retro handhelds. I've been here for awhile learning and researching, but haven't bought one yet.

[noble canyon]

yea

its correctly in-set so i dont think it'd be that bad

rp5 being stick bottom is bad because its not in-set like the rp mini (which is a device i find more comfortable)

[hybrid viper]

I'm usually the first to criticize ergonomics, but I think this looks fine

The d-pad and buttons are very far inwards

[rigid thicket]

People thought the Steamdeck layout would be uncomfortable when it was first revealed, but it turns out it's one of the most comfortable. For most people anyway, no such thing as perfect ergos due to hands all being different, ahaha

[hybrid viper]

The edges are rounded off

[median ether]

@noble canyon Yeah, I've seen some say that about the mini. I think the screen is a little small for my eyes. Glad you like it.

[rigid thicket]

Humans are just offput by things that stray from what they're used to in general.
I feel like Retroid are "mainstream" enough to at least try out their layouts with various people for comfort when there's no design limitations.

But also, the RP5 exists so 🤷‍♂️

[median ether]

True. We'll see. I hope the flip 2 eurgo works.

[rigid thicket]

I hope some review units make it out before pre-orders start, but probably not.

[median ether]

That would be nice but unlikely since according to the RH Livestream yesterday, preorders start early March.

[noble canyon]

chris is active on discord rn

we might get a bombshell tonight

maybe that it could run garfield kart on 3ds 😍

[wooden phoenix]

Can the rp5?

[versed vigil]

Yup.

[wooden phoenix]

There's your answer @noble canyon 🤣

[gritty kraken]

Did something drop?

I don't have twitter

[tacit latch]

most popular among the 5 of us that were into expensive retro handhelds pre-covid, yes

[tacit latch]

not yet

but in the meantime

no ergo bumps

[rigid thicket]

🙏

Well, maybe.

If it has obnoxious trigger bumps then why the heck not. 😅

[tacit latch]

difficult to have good triggers on this without bumps

[noble canyon]

It was just weirdly popular in general

There was no community back then I don’t think

[gritty kraken]

Hallelujah

[tacit latch]

I certainly prefer the trigger bumps of the first flip over the inline but awful triggers of the GPD XD+

[gritty kraken]

Anyone else been around the scene long enough to remember the GP2X days?

[tacit latch]

nah it wasn't, it had a cult following among a small but loud number of people but nothing like Anbernic or Retroid today

there was a small community for it on Reddit

Black Seraph built clean android images for it

[rigid thicket]

If it has huge trigger bumps it might as well have ergo bumps. It's going to effectively be as thick anyway.

Otherwise if you pocket it trigger bump inside they'll jab into you.
If you pocket it trigger bump outside it'll snag on your pocket.

This coming from someone hoping for flat back and inline triggers.

[tacit latch]

I remember when it came out, I always wanted one but was broke then

[noble canyon]

I think for a clamshell a brick like feel works

[rigid thicket]

Or at least smaller triggers like the RP2S

[noble canyon]

The ergo bumps still add size

Not a ton

I didn’t feel the difference between rp2s or rp mini really

[rigid thicket]

Did you regularly pocket both?

It only really matters in that instance.

If you're bagging it doesn't really matter what shape it is honestly.

(Other than being comfortable of course)

[gritty kraken]

I just hope they finally fix the loud buttons

[noble canyon]

Yes

People tell me the 2S and Mini aren’t pocketable and I’ve had no issues pocketing them

The sticks sometimes can be annoying but worst case scenario it pops out

And a flip won’t have that issue and won’t be damaged if dropped out of the pocket

So it’ll likely be a lot more pocketable than the mini even if it were to be slightly bigger (I’m guessing similar ish dimensions)

[rigid thicket]

Looking at pictures of the Mini...yeah, that doesn't look bad.
It does have ergo bumps the same height as the trigger bumps though, which is fine. It's as thick as the trigger bumps so might as well have the ergo bumps.

[formal latch]

I just use my PSP slip cover for my flip, does a decent job keeping it clean and not snagging on shit while going in and out of my pocket... If flip 2 also fits in it, I'll use it for that too

[rigid thicket]

Just doesn't make sense to me to have significant trigger bumps and not have ergo bumps as well.

[noble canyon]

The ergo bumps give it a nice shape to prevent the triggers from clamping

I found the triggers to be more annoying to pocket on the 2S

[rigid thicket]

That's what I mean, like the vertical height is already lost to the trigger bumps. Might as well have ergo bumps to balance it out.

[wooden phoenix]

Please God no on the ergo bumps. 🤮

Just buy a rp5 if you want an rp5. Lol. Don't ruin the clamshell

[rigid thicket]

I want flat back and inline triggers 😂

But if it's going to have huge Flip 1 trigger humps again, might as well have ergo bumps.

[noble canyon]

It’s confirmed not to have it

It will have a flat back

That’s the only info we know besides the render that’s confirmed

And that it can run Garfield kart 🙂

[rigid thicket]

Gonna have giant boomerang hooks for trigger humps 🙃

[wooden phoenix]

At least here's that. Supposedly more news coming tomorrow?

[noble canyon]

Possibly but it could come today cuz it’s Wednesday in China

[rigid thicket]

Just give us a 360 video teaser already.

[noble canyon]

That’s what I want bruh

Idgaf about anything else I wanna see if it’s thin or not

[coral valley]

People say the silliest things about pocketability. If the device is about the same size as my phone it's pocketable

[noble canyon]

Dude I had people tell me the miyoo mini plus wasn’t very pocketable

[rigid thicket]

That's a wild take.

[noble canyon]

Like yea it sucks to lose shit or have the screen get scratched or something

But like

The point of most of these devices is to be with you whenever

[coral valley]

Exactly, I already have a legion go, so if I need a bag to carry a handheld around its a nonstarter for me

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, my categories are:
-Can fit in pocket
-Can only bring in bag

If I have to bag it then I might as well get something nice and comfortable with power.

[coral valley]

Kind of why I don't really see the appeal in devices like the odin 2 portal tbh besides battery life

[noble canyon]

Yea

Rp5 is weird middle ground

It’s jacket pocketable but barely and I wouldn’t want to cargo shorts pocket it

Mini is pocketable

Flip 2 will be pocketable if gpd xd is anything to go by

And eyeing it, it’s likely slightly smaller

So I’m not concerned

[solid magnet]

"Fitting in pocket" is subjective. Pocket sizes vary from Jeans, slacks to Cargo pants. Then you factor in other things that need to be carry like Phone wallet keys etc

Personally I would never put a handheld device in my pocket. Feels uncomfortable and tight. I always carry a sling or bag with me.

[noble canyon]

Rp flip 2 gonna make my pocket permanently pregnant

[solid magnet]

For me handhelds arent about the ability to carrying it outside. Rather its the ability to play lying down in bed or coach.

[rigid thicket]

I can fit my 3DSXL in my skinny jeans so that's the metric for me at least.

So any clamshell of similar size or horizontal with a flip cover will do it.

Basically all verticals are too thick with a cover to fit comfortably.

Like, it's doable, but it's not great.

Flip/clip-on cover because a full case makes the whole thing too big and I need somewhere to put the case while using instead of just clipping a cover on the backside.

[trim matrix]

Hey was the rumor about a potential second screen for this fake? I really am shocked we don't have a reasonable dual screen handheld yet

[gritty kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/ds-game-logos-startup-3ds-gif-19163430

[trim matrix]

I mean by way of like an emulator handheld

I already got a 3ds

[scenic mortar]

Ayaneo remain your only option there. But that's probably not what you mean

[sweet shuttle]

MagicX has one in the plans, but it really remains to be seen whether or not they can pull it off

And if they can pull it off well

[scenic mortar]

I don't even trust magic X to deliver the hardware they are promising. Let alone the software.

[copper burrow]

Yep

[sweet shuttle]

Zero 28 is quite good, although it definitely has some kinks

Mainly with the USB-C ports

Android is also a very bizarre choice, but I don't mind using MinUI on it

All that said:

Unless you despise verticals, just get the Brick

[scenic mortar]

Meh. 3 handhelds released, only 1 delivered the hardware they advertised.

And the one that did release with the hardware, they lied to Russ to say it was a problem with the cable, and not the usb port....and as you say, android with no touch screen? In 2025???

[sweet shuttle]

Guess we'll just have to see how the next release goes

[scenic mortar]

I have a very low opinion of magic X. And I have bought powkiddy stuff

[sweet shuttle]

Since the One 35 is gonna be pretty insane

Or at least is in concept

[sweet shuttle]

Actually yeah their communication with Russ was so fucking shady

And idk why

Or how something like that got through QA

When they did a ton of testing of the other components

[scenic mortar]

I wish that one was Linux. Had potential to be a great gift handheld for anyone that already has a h700/rk3566.

No way am I giving a normal person an android emulation device

[sweet shuttle]

Idk the ins and outs of CFW, but I'm hoping that they'll have some form of it that lets you ignore the Android part already arranged before release

Like how Zero 28 has MinUI

Except MinUI is way too limiting for anything more powerful

[scenic mortar]

Aye, the attraction of the one35 is basically doing all the consoles minui can't do, at a cheap price

I think Linux cfw very much depends on the chip. So we'll see with the p65 I guess.

[opaque harbor]

I wonder how the retroid pocket flip 2 will feel to hold and use

[glacial creek]

https://youtu.be/CEgqhkwfHQU?si=MVtVpAbFudFhUz6W

OLED confirmed

[scenic mortar]

Yes, stacked analogue triggers

[glacial creek]

Also black colour confirmed

[scenic mortar]

Also lanyard confirmed

[serene storm]

Those are some nice stick tops

[glacial creek]

Hatttteeee this. The top design. Not the hall triggers 😅

[waxen jolt]

grippy sticks, cool

flat bottom too

the logo thing is 100% just some early render

[serene storm]

I think so too

[honest pond]

Triggers = unpocketable. I don’t even know what they’re for

[waxen jolt]

pocketable actually

they don't protrude

[glacial creek]

Yeah they will get rid of the top design i imagine by launch. Insert Retroid logo here

[waxen jolt]

the bottom is slopped so you don't get stabbed in your thigh by the triggers

good idea

[weary lark]

The screen goes all the way back. That’s all I wanted

[left turret]

the real retro "pocket"

[north prairie]

Sloped bottom is a nice touch, neat compromise for no ergo bumps

[waxen jolt]

this looks slick af but damn I can't be buying another device lmao

[weary lark]

Interested to see how the top sticks feel with the buttons on bottom

[serene storm]

Sell one buy one

[scenic mortar]

Why do you hate PacMan???

[left turret]

are the specs the same

[waxen jolt]

0 confirmation but no reason for it not to be

[formal latch]

Welp, this is an automatic buy for me

[glass prism]

Looks very off road ready with those thumb sticks

[serene storm]

Looks like gamesir sticks TBH

[scenic mortar]

Yeah, this ticks all the boxes with me so far.

[limpid ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-wallet-empty-cashless-gif-16030892

😭😭

I got next year to buy this one

[waxen jolt]

I got my indigo rp5 right here just chilling

I don't need this but it's pretty good looking

[waxen jolt]

nope

it's a shell design

[limpid ledge]

But bro it's so slick man 🥹

Retroid been cooking since rp2s

[vital belfry]

They never should skip black, their black always looks so clean

[plush silo]

Well now…
This will likely be my bday gift to myself later this year. Can’t get it on release.
Just a matter of seeing the reviews on it for me

I’m very optimistic after that trailer

[sweet shuttle]

THICC BOI

[limpid ledge]

Always the plan