Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[naive blade]

that's on them, if they knew nobody is going to like this layout why did they do it?

[echo lynx]

Pocket s top is important. 1440p does 6x 3ds. And 3x gamecube. Double switch, double/moonlight, double Wii u

[icy bramble]

@versed vigil Idk I don't like the idea of lying like that about copyright and patent laws which people already don't understand

[echo lynx]

But we need 1440p bottom for gamecube

[naive blade]

no?

[versed vigil]

They’re not lying about Nintendo having a patent last they checked, they just didn’t check if it’s gone or not.

Shit, I haven’t been able to check, so for all I know it could actually still be up through some Mickey Mouse shit.

[jolly kayak]

Okay, they dont want to do a touch screen. Could we get a touch pad then? Probably plenty of parts left over from old laptop SKUs

[naive blade]

ayaneo made a handheld pc that is dualscreen and no it is not just a pc, it is also a HAND HELD

[jolly kayak]

If they had a $400-500 model I'd get it

[versed vigil]

Because sometimes people need to be forced to learn that the Wii U layout is hype and it’s only hated for being the layout used by the Wii U.

[serene storm]

Wii U layout is fire

[versed vigil]

Use a Wii U classic controller for PC or another game and tell me that shit sucks.

[naive blade]

I actually love the wii u gamepad, but it only works for the wiiu because of how big it is. When it comes to smaller handhelds you basically got a handheld that is really good for fps games anda little compromised for anything else

[versed vigil]

That’s what the chin people were joking about would be for.

Now the bottom controls are more in the middle, and they’re more comfortable to pivot your thumbs to.

[versed vigil]

So for all I know, they could either not know, or they flat out could be right about the patent still being in effect.

[naive blade]

It's not the end of the world but I honestly fully expected dpad and facebuttons on top because of their track record

[copper burrow]

this is great entertainment

[naive blade]

retroid never made a handheld with analog sticks on top before

[versed vigil]

No, they did it with the RP1 and RP2, and even now the way they did it kept the face buttons in-line with the D-Pad.

[cyan seal]

Gm gentlemen I am ready to buy

I keep hitting my phone screen with my credit card and nothing happens please advise

[naive blade]

Yeah I kinda expected to be saying something misinforming but it is still an unusual thing from retroid notheless

[serene storm]

Their very first handheld was stick on top

Lol

Not unusual at all and it continues to be unusual that their stronger chips are stick bottom TBH

[naive blade]

I always thought that was just part of retroid's brand

high power at affordable prices with dpad on top

guess I was wrong

[serene storm]

No their brand is retro games on android

[naive blade]

yet they made a bunch of non android handhelds

[sweet shuttle]

What

All of their devices have been Android

[serene storm]

[naive blade]

even the rp2?

[sweet shuttle]

Yeah

[serene storm]

Retroid = retro android

[naive blade]

oh wow

yeah I knew that

[sweet shuttle]

Yeah it's hard to believe since nowadays, all lower powered devices are Linux, but Retroid's devices were always Android

[willow panther]

Do we have any guess on the screen size for the flip 2 yet?

[naive blade]

5.5 inches

[sweet shuttle]

People just assume 5.5"

Since this will probably just be the RP5 with a different form factor

[naive blade]

if it's 5.5 inches it is likely going to be a little more pocketable that the 3dsxl

[versed vigil]

Yeah, it only had a custom android Frontend for that Retroid Mode that emulated Linux handhelds, it wasn’t actually Linux.

[willow panther]

interesting

but the controls look very small if the screen were 5.5"?

[naive blade]

you think so?

I never thought that

[willow panther]

maybe just an optical illusion

but the controls seem bigger to the screen in the 5

[naive blade]

I think you're imagining things

well

one way to find out

[willow panther]

are you booting up PS?

[naive blade]

what's that?

[willow panther]

photoshop

or what's the one way to find out?

[naive blade]

editing the rp flip2's controls to be rp5 layout

turning the render into a horizontal

[icy bramble]

Would it even be possible to set the controls to where they're recognized as a PlayStation controller for immediate use with remote play

[sage moat]

I think Nintendo sees that 2 screen layout its gonna be no more games with entertaining these handhelds

[random tulip]

God. Hope it's not like mini sticks

[rotund kelp]

nobody? that's a strange way of saying -you- don't like it

[random tulip]

Haha. Never knew there were so many Wii U layout defenders

Dislike seemed to be pretty universal for it

[cyan seal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-fucking-love-it-i-love-it-i-like-it-the-band-stvincent-gif-14572856

[rotund kelp]

moorechip makes devices for both powkiddy, trimui, and retroid. it makes sense that they would still be using the x18s layout

[arctic timber]

I love wii u layout. I have no issues whatsoever with sticks top. Just kinda wish they were sliders but that’s a small nitpick so long as the recessed analog sticks don’t limit the range of motion

[cyan seal]

More haters = less preorders = sooner I get mine

https://tenor.com/view/math-correct-martian-jeff-daniels-gif-5550656

[rotund kelp]

a lot of people have issues with keeping things simple to cut business costs, because of -aesthetics-

[cyan seal]

I’m just excited to use it for Plex and not need a stand on plane trips lmao

[rotund kelp]

yeah, clamshells are good movie watching devices

[random tulip]

So you were posting disappointment on every device that it wasn't Wii U layout 😄

[cyan seal]

Nah, I’m just trying to bring some positivity

I’m not hung up on layouts tbh

But this looks more ergonomic for my hands and thumbs

[rotund kelp]

if you play worse on a diffferent layout, you're just that bad at gaming.

[random tulip]

Yeah. So I don't think it's that shocking that people come in saying their disappointed or that many people are. That's probably pretty accurate

[cyan seal]

That’s my secret, Cap: I play awful on any device

[random tulip]

Doesn't have to be a conflict with those happy about the device unless you make it one. Can just ignore them

[rotund kelp]

like if you go to a tourney for smash bros, and you're seed one only with pro sticks, guess what? you're not that good at smash bros, muscle-memory weirdo

[random tulip]

I'm sorry but CoD on Wii U was just uncomfortable.

[cyan seal]

Yeah but blanket statements like “everyone hates this” doesn’t help

[random tulip]

There's nothing wrong with wanting something comfortable. Even if your pro gamer 😆

[rotund kelp]

that's valid. use a classic gamecube controller

[random tulip]

But I didn't mind the Wii U layout on the big screen controller. But on the "pro" version it was pretty bad if you played anything using just sticks and shoulders

And this will be around that size

So I have my doubts. The back could change it if it's anything besides just flat

[versed vigil]

Again, do not mistake the dislike for the Wii U as a console to be relevant to how people felt about the Wii U layout.

[random tulip]

Oh. I get that some people just hate everything about it cause it's the cool thing to do

[rotund kelp]

starting our morning with /v/ rage.

[random tulip]

But it was odd in many ways

[versed vigil]

Did you use a Wii U Pro controller or the gigantic gamepad?

[random tulip]

The gigantic gamepad was comfy. But it has ergos and was big enough to hang onto and reach things

[cyan seal]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-coffee-good-morning-caffeine-need-coffee-gif-15089710

I just wanna know specs and pricing

Any news on that?

[random tulip]

The Wii U pro controller was pretty butt

[cyan seal]

I think it’s safe to assume RP5 specs, same SoC, display, etc

[random tulip]

Especially compared to the switch pro controller

[tacit latch]

the GPD Win 2 sends his regards

[random tulip]

If you played anything with both sticks and shoulders it felt like you were only playing with 1/3 of the actual controller. And your hands migrated from the comfort of the grips

[tacit latch]

what was this about? post is deleted

[random tulip]

It'd be awesome if the back of the flip 2 had Odin 2 mini - like ridges. Or less pronounced rg cube ridges

Something uniform up the entire back height

Most likely it's just flat tho

[waxen jolt]

it'll prob have some grip or so

or it'll be like the flip 1

[random tulip]

Worst case it'll have smaller RP5 grips. Heh

[waxen jolt]

don't want em to go the o2 mini route and just put stickers on the back

[tacit latch]

if true this would be lit, now hoping it doesn't end up too thick

[random tulip]

Except that's not all the O2 mini has but sure

[waxen jolt]

I had it and sold it

[random tulip]

Yeah. I have one right now..and they're indented and rubberized

Subtle enough that they don't conflict with sliding in a pocket either

[waxen jolt]

it's just textured stickers last I checked

[random tulip]

Which will be essential for the flip to actually be pocketable

[waxen jolt]

if it's really rubber, it's the least grippy rubber I've ever seen in my life

but I didn't sell it because of that anyway

[versed vigil]

I’ve had literally all 3 Odin 2’s, and even with how much I love the Portal, I still would say the RP5 and this would be a more worthwhile purchase if you don’t care about the very few PS2 games that “the 865 can’t play smoothly but the 8g2 can”.

[waxen jolt]

waiting to see how they go for that official grip

[versed vigil]

The $80 is not worthwhile unless you really want to play higher end Winlator stuff.

[plush silo]

Both sticks on top is interesting and reminds me a lot of the Wii U Gamepad and Pro Controllers, but the Wii U Pro Controller is one of my all-time favorite controllers, so I'm down for it.
I prefer sticks on bottom, but if we absolutely have to have sticks on top, this way is nice.
Might be more accurate for me to express I prefer symmmetrical sticks over assymetrical

[random tulip]

They're actually down into the plastic. If you set it on a flat surface it's perfectly flat. Would be nice to at least get something

[waxen jolt]

yeah they have a groove into the shell

smart to do that

[versed vigil]

Because half the shit that doesn’t play well on the 865 also doesn’t play well on the 8g2!

[random tulip]

If your gonna throw that layout on it at least give people a bone with something to grip

[waxen jolt]

the stick layout will 100% mess my muscle memory

[random tulip]

Yeah. Mostly cause nothing else I own has it. Haha

[rotund kelp]

still a god-tier handheld.

[naive blade]

you took that out of context

[rotund kelp]

anyone still using a fully functional win2 is probably happy. it could play skyrim and fallout 4 on low. sad that only gpd used that soc

[plush silo]

I don't heavily dislike any layouts (moreso uncomfortable build quality or buttons. Hated having to use the Wii Remote sideways for example), but that might be bc I grew up with a bunch of different consoles.
Had PS1 through 3, but also had N64, Gamecube, Wii, og Xbox

[random tulip]

I liked it a lot on the Wii U big guy. Makes sense on GPD and powkiddy too. You gotta move your hands up on it to reach shoulder buttons anyway. And flip 2 will def be smaller than those.

[plush silo]

I have smaller hands, so I might find the Flip 2 fine? Idk yet if I want the Flip 2 or just the regular ol RP5.
I remember the Wii U Gameplad being a bit unwieldy for me, but not unusable by any means

[rotund kelp]

i want to say i like xbox controllers the least of everything

[random tulip]

Weight distribution will probably be contributing in this regard. Maybe moving hands up will center the weight. Might be nice

[rotund kelp]

with switch microcontrollers at a close second

[random tulip]

Lol. First person in existence to pickup switch micros over Xbox

Hard to believe your not an evil spirit released with the last sale of the Wii U

[plush silo]

I think it's really cool to see how different controller preferences can be or what they consider comfortable.
Like, you're gonna have the obvious preferences most people will have, but then someone will say they like using their Joycons over the Switch Pro Controller (actual example I can think of bc one of my friends actually does that x3)

[limpid ledge]

This one with the better controls I know retroid got it

You know why

[random tulip]

Joycons are solid. Joycon is pain

[limpid ledge]

Anbernic Retroid and ayn have improved last two years

[plush silo]

Honestly excited that Switch 2 will have bigger joycons.
Whether they'll actually have solid build quality or not remains to be seen.
Ideally, better sticks that don't drift as much pls

[random tulip]

Me too. I inevitably end up in a multiplayer scenario where we're making a single one, so any bigger is a plus

The whole mouse thing is pretty interesting too

[plush silo]

What do we think the pricing will be on this Flip 2 btw?
I'm expecting it to be a bit pricier than the RP5, but if it gets too uncomfortably close to Odin pricing, don't think I'd buy it.
How much pricier was the Flip 1 compared to 3/3+?

[random tulip]

I'd guess $20 more expensive than rp5

Maybe like $250

Anything closer to $300 and you're paying a lot for maybe not questionable hinge?

[plush silo]

250 I'd be cool paying for when I can buy it.
Need to see how the handheld ends up being when it comes out, and what issues the first batch end up having beforehand though. I don't like buying things on release too often

[random tulip]

If the hinge design looked different then the flip 1 id still be hesitant. But the fact that it looks identical stresses me out too. Either way I think this would be a batch 2 device for me anyway

[random tulip]

Yeah. Really wanna see the back

Always said it could still be comfortable depending on what else they did with it. So that's good news

[light oyster]

Joystick on top with offset controls probably helps with the ergo a little 🍻

[random tulip]

Better than "all the systems" seems a little fanatic tho. Haha

[random tulip]

Maybe? It also means the lower half of the device serves more to balance weight then anything else. For bigger hands it means less relevant device to grip. But with good ergos on the back and good balance towards the hinge it could be really nice

[jagged blade]

Ergo is always subjective.

[random tulip]

For sure. Hands matter

[light oyster]

I imagine this will be flat on the back, so the ergo recipe doesn't sound like the best, but it will be a personal thing. My main issue with my RP5 is that it is awful for dual joystick gaming, so much I won't play them at all on it. So the Flip 2 ergo seems to address this. Time will tell. 🍻

[random tulip]

Some universalities but

[random tulip]

Yeah. I do agree on the RP5. Imo moving the sticks anywhere near the top of bottom edge without lots to grip can be painful

[light oyster]

Yes, and to be more specific, dual joysticks while having to use the triggers. There is no balance in the device to pull this off comfortably without feeling like the RP5 is going to fall out of your hands. So you grip harder and hands cramp.

[random tulip]

Yeah. I do like the RP5. Hoping the eventual grips help out in that regard

Your def not palming the ergo bumps on the back like you're meant to

[light oyster]

Are they making an official grip?? I have been wanting that for so long

[stray dagger]

hopefully it will be listed alongside the FLIP and DMG

that aside, yeah, Portal is way more ergonomic than the RP5

[rigid thicket]

Hoping "interesting" means a fancy attachable ergo grip and not built in ergos. I want maximum portability 🥲

[stray dagger]

I mean, ZPG A1 Unicorn like ergo "bumps" that only make it as thick as the triggers would be neat IMO

[jagged blade]

I have GPD XD+ and an Powkiddy X18S with this layout and I liked it a lot. I like the sticks on top approach for this.

[random tulip]

It makes sense on devices that big for sure

[plush silo]

All gonna depend on the grip/texture feeling of the back and what else they did for ergos with the Flip 2

[random tulip]

Yeah. Will be cool to see some people get review units hopefully

[rigid thicket]

I'm in the minority that wants inline triggers so there aren't any bumps at all 😂
But if there must be trigger bumps then yeah, should 100% have ergos as thick is the trigger bumps. Makes no sense to have trigger bumps and no ergo.

[stray dagger]

I mean, arguably they should be able to design "inline" triggers that are analogue, but they won't

[jolly kayak]

Folks down vote a person saying the retroid pocket flip is just around the corner a few weeks ago, and continue down voting them when that person posts about their vindication with the flip being announced.

[copper burrow]

people being the usual dumbfucks so business as usual

[rigid thicket]

I mean, they can probably make small triggers like on the RP2S

Or the trigger mods for the 353M/405M.

[jolly kayak]

I hope both of these are OLED or at least very bright panels.

[rigid thicket]

A clamshell is already a compromised experience due to needing recessed sticks or sliders so I'd be fine with slightly jank small analogue triggers instead of full sized analogue triggers.

[jolly kayak]

Why can't we have sliders 😭

[rigid thicket]

I'm surprised more horizontal devices don't have small stacked triggers since it's proven possible through the RP2S and mods.

[sage palm]

Yeah that 35XXH trigger mod looks nice

[rigid thicket]

Like, if they didn't have the gap between shoulder/trigger on the RP2S it could've been a fully flat back device.

Yeah, like that.

Like, it's entirely possible.

[sage palm]

Honestly I wish this guy made 'em for the 28XX as well lol, would fix my only serious complaint with the device.

[rigid thicket]

Makes no sense that we have small/pocketable horizontals now without stacked triggers.

It's not even an engineering issue clearly.

[desert canyon]

I have that 405m mod and even that makes a huge difference

trying to keep up now that I saw the promo image. Is the general hope this is an rp5 flip? because damn, that might be portal end game for me

[jolly kayak]

RG40xxh has those stacked i think?

[rigid thicket]

Hopefully and realistically it's just an RP5 Flip.

No need to source a bunch of new parts/chips.

[jolly kayak]

With better ergos though

Specifically for twin stick

And not as wide

Mmmm the benefits, I see clearly now

[desert canyon]

for real, holy crap

twin stick is a nightmare on rp5

that's being dramatic, but not great. anyway yeah wow.this would be a day 1 preorder for me

US tariffs be damned

[rigid thicket]

Those tariffs are going to really suck for Etsy shops.

At least US based ones.

Since those people are the ones who'll be paying higher prices for materials to make their products.

Was just thinking about how I can't justify buying those trigger mods for myself due to base cost + shipping even before tariffs 😔

[desert canyon]

it adds up for sure

[stray dagger]

sourcing a different chip would make no sense for Retroid

already was a huge mistake to source two different ones for the RP4 and RP4Pro

[sweet shuttle]

I think the fact that the majority of people would dislike them is the issue

I'd actually kinda like a controller with shoulder buttons kinda like what the Wii Classic Controller has, especially if it slims the device down

Although the Wii Classic Controller made the ZR and ZL the outer buttons instead

[stray dagger]

honestly wouldn't matter, given how we emulate on these devices and can just remap to our liking

[sweet shuttle]

This is true

[stray dagger]

basically all the buttons could be unlabeled

[rigid thicket]

Blank buttons might even be preferred for some people, ahaha.

[sweet shuttle]

People would still be weirded out by the triggers being on the outer position when that's usually where L1/R1 are

I've never held a Classic Controller, so idk how well the setup actually works

[stray dagger]

if they incorporated some trigger locks for games that don't need analogues it would matter even less

[fluid stone]

Trigger locks on a handheld is something I'd love to see

[sweet shuttle]

Sounds nice, but also I'd worry about it being an extra point of failure

[coral osprey]

Guys the Competition is heating up!!! 🤩🔥

Anbernic is feeling intimidated by Retroid. 😏

[stray dagger]

the one with the 2nd screen is just a mock-up made in this channel tho... not gonna happen

Chris already said it would infringe Nintendo patents

[coral osprey]

What!?

[stray dagger]

and Retroid officially operates from France, so no way they gonna deal with that

[coral osprey]

@stray dagger F Nintendo 😥

[stray dagger]

I mean, Nintendo has every right to that patent and even more so given how we would emulate THEIR games on a device with two screens

[desert canyon]

pretty sure i don't want what anbernic would be offering

[rigid thicket]

Easy fix. They'd be making a two-screened android device with built in controls.

Android tablet*

[stray dagger]

safest bet would be to make it a phone

[rigid thicket]

I'm surprised Lenovo isn't stepping on toes with their detachable controllers on the Legion Go.

[random tulip]

Dunno. Anbernic makes solid devices

It's not like both haven't had past issues

[desert canyon]

oh i do like their devices for what they are, but i think that rp5 406h release difference shows where both companies are going, and i personally want oled with more power

[rigid thicket]

The only device I haven't had problems with is my early day $20 R36S 😂

For whatever reason my 353M doesn't like ArkOS, just constantly freezing.

Luckily Rocknix works fine.

[desert canyon]

my 405m in black is still one of my favorites

[rigid thicket]

Someone was selling a black 405M for like, $80 and I hesitated a bit too long.

Kind of kicking myself, but I'm trying real hard not to be a device hoarder.

[desert canyon]

don't blame you. I would love to get rid of 90 percent of my stuff, but that is one of those devices i pick up and think, no...no this stays

[rigid thicket]

If I didn't already have a 353M I would've pounced for sure.

[desert canyon]

i replaced it with the rp mini in my rotation

353m looks so nice too

and that one has split boot up right?

[rigid thicket]

It can dual boot yeah.

[desert canyon]

damn and top D pad i think?

[rigid thicket]

Yep

[desert canyon]

yeah that's amazing for what it does

[rigid thicket]

I have a flip cover for it so it's literally always in my pocket.

[desert canyon]

stop giving me ideas

[rigid thicket]

It's why I want a nice brick clamshell so it can do the same.

[blazing burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/clam-shell-underwater-gif-13935173

[random tulip]

You run garlicOS?

[rigid thicket]

I hope we find out all the details about the Retroid Flip 2 and the MagicX SP soon. The MagicX SP might end up suiting my wants better since it's flatback with inline triggers.

I stick with Rocknix. At the time GarlicOS was a bit clunky.

[desert canyon]

same yeah, can't wait to hear more. I'll have to look into the magicX SP

[random tulip]

Been thinking about trying rocknix on my rp5

[rigid thicket]

I think I'd only benefit getting better DS performance going GarlicOS, but if I can't use a RA core I don't really feel like it.

Something about having every game use the same hotkeys and stuff just feels nice you know?

[urban marten]

Any ideas how much the Flip 2 is going to be

[rigid thicket]

Almost definitely more than $230 at least, ahaha

[steady osprey]

YEAR OF THE CLAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[rigid thicket]

I think the RP5 is $220 retail? Just from extra engineering it'll probably be $249 or something. Just to get ahead of tariff increases.

That way they can be all "Look, we aren't increasing the price even with tariffs!" even though they just increased it before release.

[steady osprey]

I'm really hoping that it's $249MSRP BUT we see a preorder price closer to $229

But it might be hopium

[rigid thicket]

I think they normally have pre-order discounts or coupons.

[echo lynx]

Damnit the flip is the only thing on the market with Wii u controls

[sweet shuttle]

They did for RP5 and Mini

[echo lynx]

I just need a Wii u controller

Super SP might have dual top sliders

But they have no l3

[random tulip]

That's my driver. Just having things be unified

[desert canyon]

agree about the hotkeys yeah, I try to use RA as much as possible for that

[versed vigil]

Depends on if he means “all the new Retroid’s” or “all the Retroid’s” in general.

[versed vigil]

If it’s just the new ones, then yeah I could see that, the RP5 had the inset sticks, and the RP Mini (even though I love it) was a bit too small for its offset sticks to actually make it significantly better than the RP5 (only a little bit that’s honestly negligible).

[versed vigil]

If it’s all of them…Honestly, unless we count grips, I’d also agree that this might be more comfortable if the chin of the Flip 2 and the actual size of the controls make enough of a difference to be better than the original Flip.

[unkempt ferry]

Anyone else don’t like that they got rid of the sliders?

Kind of disappointed TBH

[sweet shuttle]

Idk if I'd say I dislike it necessarily, but they definitely gave the RP Flip character

[copper burrow]

if it's same chip etc as we're expecting, no way it'll be cheaper than the rp5, clamshells are hard

[unkempt ferry]

Stop stalking me

[sacred kindle]

i personally wouldn't mind if they used the rp4 pro chipset

[sweet shuttle]

[versed vigil]

Oh they’d absolutely be using the SD865. They won’t want to be buying more D1100’s for the thing, and not using the SD865 means no Linux.

[copper burrow]

for certain, just gonna laugh when people bitch about its price

[unkempt ferry]

Im just teasing

[versed vigil]

Yup, and at least some of those same people (no one try denying it, I’ve seen enough of the same names doing this, just take me not naming names as a mercy and avoid calling attention to yourself) are also asking for it to be dual screen, which would unironically add at least $30-$50 to the final price for that second screen.

So yeah, it’ll be especially funny to me if any of them in particular do try complaining.

[icy bramble]

Wii/GC compatibility looks so good on the RP5 that I'm not sure if it makes sense not to spring for those specs

Unless of course they could spring for better for a reasonable price

[desert canyon]

yeah no real interest in dual screen, sounds like more headaches software wise

though i suppose if it existed for 50 bucks more i'd go for it. I fully expect this to be 235-250 as is.

[random tulip]

I mean most emulators either support it or not

[copper burrow]

dual screen does like a lot of extra variables and risk

[random tulip]

More depends if they can throw Linux on jt

So the S865 would work

[stray dagger]

you guys ain't getting a dual screen device out of Retroid, they don't want to deal with the Ninjas

[keen juniper]

I don't see a point for it

If you want it so bad a 3ds is the better choice

[light oyster]

There is totally a point, tho many might not care. Having a handheld that can play everything is the reason we all buy these, and is the main reason why we don't just play it on a 3DS. 🍻

[keen juniper]

Touching the 2nd screen to use the ds function doesn't sound fun

That would also probably drive the price up

[stray dagger]

to be fair, a modern touch screen still would be a compromised experience for 3/DS games

[light oyster]

For sure, I agree, a dual screen device would be a super niche handheld

[light oyster]

Sure, always a compromise with every handheld 🍻

[keen juniper]

Tbh i would like to see something fill that empty space in the middle though

[stray dagger]

but yeah, while a 2nd screen would be nice to have if properly implemented, for DS and 3DS games, it would result in worse ergos overall IMO (especially with the Wii U layout they are going for, never used the d-pad on my 3DS already)

[stray dagger]

that's probably where the SoC is tho

[keen juniper]

So these are sticks and not sliders?

[light oyster]

It would be for people that want to prioritize a great Wii U, DS and 3DS experience while still having the larger top screen for all other gaming. Stacked screens is a nice touch. 🍻

[icy bramble]

Fill it with more buttons

[light oyster]

I think so, looks to me like lowered joysticks

[stray dagger]

yeah their usual joysticks and I think it makes sense

[light oyster]

I think it looks great in the render.

[stray dagger]

if they added some slight ergo bumps below the triggers those would give space for the sticks and speakers placed inside them

[jolly kayak]

What if Linux device from Retroid 😭

[silent canopy]

RP5 already runs Rocknix

[light oyster]

They would have to change their name to Retrinux

[jolly kayak]

Retrinuts

I wish there was something they could do with all the empty space below

So barren

[keen juniper]

The only worry I have for any flip is how durable is the hinge

[light oyster]

I would consider that space like handles on a controller, need space to place your palms and such 🤷🏻‍♂️

[jolly kayak]

Not the middle section

It's like 4 square inches of empty on top

[sacred kindle]

it's so you can enjoy the feel of the shell

mmm high quality plastic

[tacit gorge]

aww man that’s actually sad. i know you were trying to source parts for your flip 1.

[stray dagger]

kinda same, but I hope they do it right and I won't regret getting hopefully a bundle deal on both new Retroids

[jolly kayak]

xD

I hope it's high quality. I love brushing the steam deck, that matte, almost industrial ruggedness. It better not be smooth. At least how the dmg anbernic sp is

Metal flip when

[arctic timber]

Eh I’ll take the loss on my end. I’d rather not have anyone have to deal with shit QC in the revision. good news for most, kinda not so much for my busted flip

[sacred kindle]

surprised they didn't cash in on the rp4/rp5 metal editions

maybe they're saving for a new 100$ rp device

[light oyster]

I am not following what you mean, to me the controls look to be well spaced from the top of the bottom half 🤷🏻‍♂️

[echo lynx]

such space for a another small screen

[stray dagger]

a toasty small screen, cuz that's where the SoC is 100%

[keen juniper]

Is that a official color

[jolly kayak]

It just looks EMPTY I don't what to tell you my guy. I didnt say they're spaced out poorly.

[light oyster]

I disagree, the offset controls are super needed, so no space for extra screen

[stray dagger]

I really like the design tho and if that color is official, I will get this

[keen juniper]

I want that color haha

[jolly kayak]

It doesn't have to be a screen damn it

Buttons, little doo hickeys. Anything

(Touch pad)

[light oyster]

Lol, I am not trying to argue, was just trying to better understand your point, haha, to each their own then 🍻🤘🏼

[jolly kayak]

Like, i want to hear why they wouldn't be able to include 2 more buttons so that N64 emulation isn't booty cheeks to map

2 more big buttons at that

[light oyster]

Haha! A six button layout, there is an idea! 🍻

I guess the Arc was the only 6-button handheld put out to memory 🤔

But no joystick

[jolly kayak]

Which is so unfortunate!

Im pre ordering probably regardless, but, still

[light oyster]

With 8bitdo's latest N64 controller for the Analogue, perhaps we will see a manufacturer make a similar layout for a handheld

Could keep the buttons the same size, but color code them like the N64 controller, Green B, Blue A and 4 yellow buttons

[amber mason]

Extremely tempted to try this
I've got an Ayn Odin Mini and the Retroid Flip 1, the bottom sticks on both screw me over for aiming so much in PS2 games lol.

[wooden phoenix]

So a metal 2 screen 6 button flip...🤣 Some people are just never happy

[jolly kayak]

Some people make shit up

[light oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/lucy-vanpelt-charlie-brown-thats-it-piano-peanuts-gif-16784423

[jolly kayak]

There are different people asking for different things

[sacred kindle]

i like the broad spacing around the analog sticks

[sacred kindle]

Regarding the Mini, why?

[light oyster]

I agree, the control ergo on this could be really great, tho not yet sure how the back of it will feel in the hands

[versed vigil]

They don’t want to add the $30-$50 needed for a second screen to the final price, not even counting the costs and time needed to develop a good Android implementation for that dual screen set-up.

The Ninja’s are just a shorter and easier excuse for them to say “oh no, we’d totally tank our sales by making it way more expensive to add a second screen, but unfortunately that idea is under a patent, so we can’t make a dual screen handheld. What a darn shame”.

[sacred kindle]

yeah I had the 3DS for a month and I really disliked both the back and the slider ergos

[amber mason]

Because I kinda have to hold it like this, which in games like armored core where you have to feather the triggers a lot while also having good aim becomes insanely awkward.

[tacit latch]

sounds like a job for Anbernic then

[amber mason]

It's like a claw grip for aiming which.
Sucks lol

[versed vigil]

I’d sooner see Powkiddy doing that than Anbernic.

[sacred kindle]

feather? (I'm not native English speaker)

[wooden phoenix]

It's crazy people keep demanding a second screen. It won't be worth it to them regardless of what the bullies might do. The cost going into making that work lol...retroid has enough of a time trying to release normal things without issues. And you want them to add something other companies don't do. 🤣🤣🤣

[stray dagger]

yeah the long explanation isn't needed to convince the masses

[versed vigil]

At least Powkiddy has precedence in doing random ideas, so they could eventually land on doing that.

[wooden phoenix]

Sadly those guys don't go away no matter how much you explain it.

[amber mason]

Kinda gently press rapidly. Jumping in armored core is actually done with the triggers, and boosting is on the same button. Additionally you're aiming using the same awkward finger.

Also am I weird for not wanting a second screen
I'm not willing to sacrifice battery life for 1 system which I won't play often lol

[sacred kindle]

What
They actually did that for the dualshock 2 😭

[light oyster]

Whichever one does it has to use a processor that can play Wii U and 3DS well, otherwise, it seems like a waste for most who already own a handheld

[amber mason]

They didn't even have stick aiming until Armored Core Nexus the 6th or 7th game in the series
You actually had to aim with the buttons or triggers, depending on your control scheme. Luckily mods add it in nowadays.

[versed vigil]

No, I didn’t even talk about the actual downsides for the device itself yet, so yeah that’s yet another reason why it would be stupid to do a dual screen.

[tawdry dove]

armored core chads be like

[amber mason]

lol

[versed vigil]

And so the only option you will ever have is AYANEO, and we already know what they’re like.

[onyx hazel]

armored chads

[sacred kindle]

damn

Another AC series that took 5+ games before adding a QoL improvement to their games

[jolly kayak]

If it's designed to just be a screen extension, then it could probably be able to be turned off using no extra battery

[light oyster]

I agree, Pow and Anbernic gotta step it up in power, or just stick with sub $100

[amber mason]

Regardless I do wanna say I'm happy that they added actual real sticks to the new one
I don't mind sliders that much but the old sliders had too much resistance

[light oyster]

No point in mass producing a dual screen if it only plays 1 out of 3 dual screen systems well

[versed vigil]

Nah, true Armored Core Chads use hard/auto lock, grab their melee weapon, and then let god take the wheel for the rest of the fight.

[versed vigil]

If you’re not outright only moving via the dash for melee attacks, you’re not doing it right.

[amber mason]

Hard Lock wasn't a thing till 4 you still had to manually aim your Pile Bunker in Older Games

It also replaced your primary weapon

Pile Bunker Mains were built different in the PS2 era lmao

[versed vigil]

Ah, we’re talking about before 4, fair enough then.

I remembered the AC grip only really being used for 4 and up because of the fact most of the older games didn’t have the analog controls, so I got confused when they showed that.

[tawdry dove]

AC grip is old old think people were even using it in AC1

its mostly a meme but also you can hit way more face buttons at once

[amber mason]

AC Grip was mostly a meme, a lot of people just either got used to the controls or rebound their aiming to the Face Buttons in the PS1 era lmfao
The controls were screwed though like you had tank controls, bumpers to strafe, L2 looks up R2 looks down, Square Shoots, X boosts and jumps, Triangle Swapped Weapons(?), Circle uses Left Hand

[random tulip]

This sounds amazing to me. People be crazy they wouldn't want this

[versed vigil]

Yup, the only time I’d argue the AC grip makes more than zero sense was for the games with actual Analog controls, and even then it’s still mostly a meme and not a complete one.

[versed vigil]

Plus it’s still not the ”peak performance” that was “Dual blades, let’s get nuts”.

[amber mason]

The worst part about the old controls though is that the competitive community?
They mostly play stock because it's actually interacts better with your AC, you get no lag when strafing causing your movement to be closer to WSAD movement.

[rigid thicket]

I wouldn't say nooo reason 🙃

[amber mason]

Whereas if you rebind it to D-Pad Strafing Movement you actually get a moment where your AC will slow down because the opposite direction isn't already queued up

[echo lynx]

3 dual screen systems?

oh wii u

[random tulip]

Would totally use it for this reason too

[amber mason]

Also to get back on topic
Can I just say how much more glad I am that they moved the Sticks to the top
It looks so much more comfortable

[random tulip]

People can't comprehend what they've never had XD

[amber mason]

The one thing I hope they do though is put in better bumpers and Triggers.

[sacred kindle]

Easier to switch between analogs and buttons as well

[light oyster]

Oh for sure, for those that would like dual screens, we would make a lot of use out of them, not just gaming 🍻

[rigid thicket]

It's so nice having on demand things on the second screen. Stuff like guides or maps.

[random tulip]

Look up guides and moves while playing. Would be awesome

[rigid thicket]

Like collectable maps and stuff.

[versed vigil]

This is what peak performance looks like. I don’t make the rules. (/s to be as blatant as possible)
https://youtu.be/wnXqdCraB60

[random tulip]

Yeah. Exactly. 100% completionists would benefit more than anyone else probably 😄

[light oyster]

Also, what dual screens flip thingie is that? Lol

[amber mason]

Blade is unironically meta for a lot of the final battles in FA. The enemy doesn't know how to deal with you going 1000KPH and chain boosting like a maniac into them, or better yet second staging if you've got the muscle memory.

[random tulip]

Surface duo

[rigid thicket]

Surface Duo with a Gamesir G8+

[random tulip]

One of the rare chances at ds at the moment

[versed vigil]

Yup, I’m mostly talking about competitive, but the AI getting utterly baffled on what we’re cooking is a reason why I can recommend them for late game single player.

[versed vigil]

Same reason why using literally only spells and traps (no monsters) completely breaks Duelist of the Roses in half.

[rigid thicket]

Honestly, can probably just throw this in a carry case and call it a day

[fluid stone]

Looking at prices for the surface duo and this is really funny lol

There was a $9,000 one too!

[random tulip]

Yeah. People list dumb prices

[rigid thicket]

I'm glad I was able to get mine for $200, sheesh.

[random tulip]

Ayaneo Pocket dmgs for like $1400

[fluid stone]

Well it seems like they're asking a lot because they thought tiktok would stay banned and that would increase its value

[random tulip]

No same person actually pays these prices

[light oyster]

Dang, I missed out on that Duo 🤦🏻‍♂️

[amber mason]

Also I do wanna say something about the build quality on the RP Flip 1
The triggers and bumpers were built horribly on this thing compared to both the RP4Pro and (this ain't a fair comparison because 2x the cost) the Ayn Oden Mini.
I really hope they don't screw over the RP Flip 2 with this kinda build again.

[versed vigil]

For anyone who wants to know what that’s like, here’s an entertaining video where the second half onwards is basically filled with nothing but examples of the AI just completely shutting down when you don’t have a single monster and only deal effect damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0VugmsYuDA

[random tulip]

As if they can't just grab the tiktok APK from somewhere online. Lol

[fluid stone]

They're generally around like $300-400 from what I can tell

[echo lynx]

the funniest thing is that this is android

[sage moat]

I knew it was gonna be clamshell year YES

[amber mason]

Triggers are hard to demonstrate but there's no tension in them on the Flip or the Odin Mini
The RP4 Pro genuinely has the best triggers of the bunch

[sage moat]

I think the 4 pros triggers feel flimsy

[amber mason]

You would not like the other two then

[sage moat]

I like the 5's

[amber mason]

I need to try the 5 out
I moderately regret getting the Odin Mini because I didn't expect the Flip 2 to come out so soon
I didn't think that the stick being on the bottom would make me dislike the mini's controls so much lol

i kinda just need to sell all 3 of these but I'm lazy and haven't yet

[sage moat]

Skipping the mini seemed like a bad idea but good in hindsight 😭

The bezel on it is night and day vs the rp5 😅

[amber mason]

The Mini is like
So close to being perfect
But to be frank it's like 10% worse than the RP5 in almost every way while costing like 100-150 dollars more.

The only advantage is specs and you can't even do anything with said specs.

[sage moat]

I'm waiting on a 4" OLED if possible and the flip 2

I knew there was no way the rp mini was gonna be my go to

[jolly kayak]

Am I the only one who didn't see a difference other than how the first one, you seemed to spasmically hit the trigger?

[amber mason]

Yeah no that was a bad representation lol sorry about that

I was trying to show the lack of spring tension but it doesn't come across in video

I think I'm gonna sell all my stuff if the Flip 2 has good enough controls
I genuinely miss the pocketability of the Flip 1, however the build quality and power is so much worse on it I don't really like it nowadays.

[stray dagger]

I mean, if Retroid doesn't, MagicX might pull the dual screen clamshell off, also D8300 tramples on the SD865

[amber mason]

I will say
I hope they keep screen repair as easy as it was on the RPF1
I accidentally broke my screen by sitting on it wrong (was in my back pocket, screen bent a little and had a nice snap down the middle) ordered a new screen, was a 2 minute repair.

Also just watched the Joey's Retro Handheld video, I'm surprised he's so down on the new design. This is EXACTLY what I was wanting personally.

[calm oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

Get the Flip 2 you've been begging for

it's nothing like what you want

[amber mason]

All I wanted was better Sticks and Stick placement, better build quality, and maybe being thinner?
I'm getting at least 1 of those, the latter two are yet to be seen.

[jagged blade]

You can never make something everyone will like. Us old school GPD XD users know it will be fire.

[amber mason]

I wanted a GPD XD and original Win so much growing up lol

The GPD Win 1 still has a place in my heart, I kinda want one even though I had a tablet with the same specs that could barely even play Hotline Miami.
At half speed.

I did manage to play through all of Skyrim on it though.

[amber mason]

Also I wish they would make a new XD.

[random tulip]

Hey. I'm just excited for whoever does it first. Lol.

[random tulip]

I'm skeptical whether this will be as easy to repair. Looks like it might be laminated to glass surface on the lid

Will be happy to be wrong. Would have been fine with just an inset screen like the flip 1

[plush silo]

First reasonably affordable and decent quality dual-screen emulation handheld will be a treat to behold

[amber mason]

Yeahhh I'm expecting it to be more rough to repair but you never know!

[amber mason]

I am curious if anyone will make a Wii U focused handheld. I think if something is capable of running that then I'm more interested, as the dual screen becomes more useful than just for DS/3DS games, you could have discord in the bottom screen or something.

I suppose my main sticking point is that the bottom screen just has to be big enough to be useful lol

[random tulip]

If I didn't have to pick up my phone to look up a guide while playing on my handheld, or break my immersion and have a guide side by side while I play, that'd be endgame. Especially if you can dim the second screen. Def possible on Linux. Dunno about android

[rigid thicket]

This is why I didn't go for the Aya Flip DS, the bottom screen is so small.

Well, that and the absurd price 😂

[amber mason]

Android just isn't built for multiple screens is what I'd be worried about.

[rigid thicket]

There's open source Android 13/14 builds for the Surface Duo, could probably build around that.

...I think they were open source, I may be mistaking the Surface Duo Windows project though.

[jagged blade]

Duo is Microsoft magic. Compared to the LG dual screen shit.

[rigid thicket]

Yeah, the A13/14 and now 15 project is open source so they could definitely work off of that.

[amber mason]

If they could pull off a good Dual Screen software I'd be so down for it

[random tulip]

I'm sure MS requires some kind of licensing. But in the end Linux would just be the smarter path to take for it

Like you def wouldn't wanna rely on some android split screen functionality or anything like that

[rigid thicket]

Oh, no, the A13 android build is just AOSP with support for the Duo.

It's base Google/Pixel Android.

So any aspiring dual screen handheld creator can take a look at that for what/how to do.

And honestly, all they need is to pull how to treat two screens as one large screen since latest Android has support for snapping apps from side to side for foldables already.

Or like, just pay the GarlicOS guys to do the heavy work 😂

[random tulip]

Wonder if the power of a better chip would improve the duo experience. When I owned one it would stutter, lag and get into weird states occasionally

[rigid thicket]

It runs a 855 so it's honestly pretty good.

I know stock OS is way better now than it was on launch though.

[random tulip]

I'd probably avoid snapping and whatnot. If it can just be recognized as two separate displays. The display embedded in the base, even if touch friendly, might not be the easiest to manipulate. You'd probably want to recess it a little

I guess you could make it flush with like an RP 5 like glass surface but closing 2 glass surfaces together scares me 😆

[random tulip]

That might have been it. I only had mine like 8 months before getting rid of it. Just got tired of it not recognizing which side was opened/closed etc.

A little bit easier in this regard since there's no 360° hinge

[rigid thicket]

That said, a 360 hinge on a future dual screen device would be nice just so you could use it in single screen mode if you'd like. Not sure I'd trust any of these companies to do it right, but it'd be nice, ahaha.

[wooden phoenix]

It'll be the same chip. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Maybe you've not heard of the rp5 lol

[silent canopy]

It will be as good or bad for PS2 as the RP5

[jagged blade]

That's doesn't happen with a PC yet.

[naive blade]

I just realized, since the flip 2 is getting released

now I can start waiting for the flip 3

[jagged blade]

All I am saying is with the flip 2 it will work as far as the emulator is developed. Unfortunately android ps2 is at a stand still at this point. There is plently of info on what it will play.

[stray dagger]

that shouldn't be an issue for 95% of the library

[severe ridge]

yeah, its nearly guaranteed to be the same chip or better as the rp5, and it only has issues with a few games at the top end

[stray dagger]

I will take bets on the SD865, hands down

no way they source another chip

[severe ridge]

saying ps2 emulation on android is stagnant is kind of misleading too
since before it went stagnant, most of the library was working properly already

[stray dagger]

heck, they probably re-use half the RP5 parts for this anyway

like I will also take bets that you can swap all controls on the Flip with the RP5

[severe ridge]

only thing i hope for is softer membranes than the rp5/mini

wanna get more to dualshock/nintendo push weights

[tacit latch]

what do you mean growing up, the GPD XD only came out *checks wikipedia* ... fuck, I'm old

[rigid thicket]

Super Mario Sunshine is old enough to be considered a retro game.

GC/PS2 era was like, 20 years ago.

[stray dagger]

We only have like 2007, sit down kiddo

[severe ridge]

i consider ps2/gc to be retro purely because they were the last non HD systems, mostly pre online gaming like COD, and most still used an old CRT to play them

[wooden phoenix]

I don't consider anything retro that came out after I was a child. to me ps2/gc aren't retro consoles. but everyone has their own view of what retro is. certainly not the same for everyone

[sweet shuttle]

Sure, grandpa

Let's get you back to bed

[sacred kindle]

I think @cursive sail 's labeling where ps2/GC is "SD era" and ps3/360 is HD era and so on is a lot better and more transparent

[formal latch]

To me, PS3 and up doesn't count as retro, but... My assumption is everyone's opinions are going to be dependent on their own ages

[sweet shuttle]

I'd say give it another console generation, and then they're probably retro

Hard to say though

[formal latch]

Kind of the annoying thing about certain hobbies or scenes, everyone's going to have their own interpretations

[sweet shuttle]

Mainly because PS3 was such a huge step up

And it's been diminishing returns since

PS3 still looks a lot closer to our modern games than it does to the previous gen

[sacred kindle]

b-b-but my ps4 photorealistic mocaps,,,

^ /s

[wooden phoenix]

The only thing annoying about it is when people act like their opinion is fact. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Like I said retro is different to everyone

[amber mason]

YUP I SAW THEM WHEN I WAS 14 LOL

[jagged blade]

Image retroid using their own dpad and buttons. This is high level.

I think pixel art games with a retro gameplay feel are retro. Timelines have nothing to do with if it's "retro" to me. It's more of the artform of a game.

[amber mason]

For me I use the 20 year rule
If the console is 20 years old, it's retro

People were calling the N64 Retro in 2005 after all lol

And that was less than a decade old at the time

[rigid thicket]

I think if something is two or three generations out it can be considered retro.

[cursive sail]

That's why I think in a hardware generation, or so, separating by "SD Era" and "HD Era" seems reasonable 🙂

[rigid thicket]

If we want universally agreeable then yeah, probably avoid "retro" as a term and just go with like, pixel era, SD era, HD era.

[cursive sail]

Retro can be kept for Proper Nouns 🙂

[stray dagger]

the only retro system is the NES, everything after that ain't that old

[rigid thicket]

Anything before the NES is Lost Tech

[stray dagger]

true true

[echo lynx]

If it's on pc it's not retro

Metal gear solid Gameboy edition is retro

But halo isnt because it's on pc

Mgs is also on pc

Helps with separating what you can morally pirate too

Metroid prime 2 echoes is retro and San Andreas isn't despite them being the same age.

[rigid thicket]

Commander Keen not retro confirmed.

[severe ridge]

Any dos is retro lol

And probably any Windows 95/XP game too

[fluid stone]

Heheh. Retro.

That's the people who made the video game that's FUNNY

Games are only retro if they're made by Retro Studios

[echo lynx]

You need compat layers to play it so ya I guess

[naive blade]

Some day ps4 will be a retro console

[echo lynx]

Retro console but the games won't be retro because they're all on pc

Other than bloodborne

[rigid thicket]

I mean, you can technically install Win95 on a modern computer and run them natively

[fluid stone]

Does that mean dos games with fixed up ports from gog don't count as properly retro? Or is it just the original release needing compat that makes it retro because good luck getting the original pc version of Halo to run well on a modern pc without patches lol

[naive blade]

Ah yes, bloodbourne my favorite retro game

[echo lynx]

not retro i take it back

ok

so if it isnt current gen and doesnt have a cpu architecure that is used elsewhere its retro

but games are differentiated by whether they are on pc

but that definition makes gameboy non retro

and not because of fpga

[rigid thicket]

So we have Pixel Era, SD Era, and The Dark Ages

We can split the eras by BOH and AOH.

Before Oblivion Horse and After Oblivion Horse

[rigid thicket]

Bethesda basically destroyed gaming and I don't think they get enough flak for it 😅

[rigid rapids]

A buddy of mine has a half-joke rule that if it can be emulated on a current phone, it's retro. That's more or less in line with your line for now haha

[rigid thicket]

Switch is retro confirmed.

[remote basin]

I'd personally say that if we're two generations away from a system, it's probably retro

[echo lynx]

Cyberpunk is retro confirmed

[echo lynx]

PS4 isn't not becoming retro next year

It's still x86

And similar in power to budget laptops

[remote basin]

the original xbox was x86, though I guess it's all vibes. I felt like the n64 was retro in 2006 when the wii first came out when it was 10 years old, but I know some people struggle to consider the wii retro even though it's like 18 years old

[echo lynx]

Three generations old

It's retro

Xbone still isn't it's brand new

But the architecture thing still doesn't work because of the gameboy

Guess why

It's not fpga

[rigid rapids]

Wait, really?

[vivid seal]

I feel a this feeds my theory that Retroid would have also done a Flip 2 with the Mediatek Dimensity chips of the RP4, but were disappointed by delays and response to that line

Add the success of the Anbernic SP, and the momentum for clamshells are back

[polar whale]

I hope they have a machine that flips the device to test durability

The folding android phones were rated for like 200,000 flips (samsung fold 5)

[icy bramble]

I'm thinking I might actually get this one instead of just thinking about getting it and never doing.

[coral valley]

I hope the smaller one is a clamshell and has some joysticks

[severe ridge]

we are pretty sure its a vertical

[severe ridge]

[remote gorge]

Is the other one like a flip 2V?

[opaque harbor]

I wonder if the hinge will be better this time

[tacit latch]

no, just a vertical

[flint dagger]

Of course it’s going to be better 😂 they’re not just going to be releasing the same faulty hinge. Plus there won’t be a transparent model due to that plastic not being as strong.

[tacit latch]

given how hinge quality was the #1 concern on the flip, I assume the hinge this time will be made of adamantium forged in the deepest recesses of the earth's core

[calm oracle]

Ew

[echo lynx]

Does retroid do that sort of over exaggerating?

Like Magicx probably would've forged the hinge out of vibranium if they were criticized for jt

[jolly kayak]

They haven't said what day they plan to release?

Only that the flip should be out this spring?

[wooden phoenix]

Wrong. The watermelon color was the only one not prone to failure. So...don't spread false info. 👋🏻

And you're right. They won't make the same mistake twice like...when they had back to back releases with screen issues. Then had another screen issue. 🤣

[echo lynx]

nice photoshop

[coral valley]

That's what I wish we got tbh

[rotund kelp]

well the thing is... you don't have to buy it.

[strange ivy]

RP5 Flip let’s go.

[strange ivy]

Ergonomic nightmare

I’d love a dual screen one day. But it’ll never happen unless something changes with Android

[coral valley]

That's pretty much the exact layout as the 3ds

[strange ivy]

And that was an ergo nightmare too for me 😂

[coral valley]

Grip 👍

[strange ivy]

Ew no. If I need a grip, I might as well use a bigger device

Like the 3DS XL 😂

[coral valley]

Why? If you're just bringing this around in your pocket, I doubt you'd be playing long enough for it to get uncomfortable. Then at home you can just attach a grip

I mean what other controller layout could they really do for a dual screen

[strange ivy]

Not if you mainly use the d-pad

[coral valley]

No offense, but why would you really want this if you're only using the dpad

I feel like the anbernic sp kind of covers that

[strange ivy]

Because it has a larger screen and folds up

I had the Anbernic SP. Too small for my older eyes

[coral valley]

Thats valid. Making it dpad centric would be a bit of waste of the processor imo

[strange ivy]

Not saying it to be d-pad centric. How this new upcoming Flip looks fine to use the d-pad. That dual screen mockup, not so much.

[true zodiac]

One obvious layout would be wider sides so the controls could be offset, despite nintendo's continuing failure to do this on their handhelds, there's a reason why every proper bloody controller does it.

Also, the buttons being up top would make more sense given the vast majority of ds and 3ds games would be using those controls

[strange ivy]

TBH I think Nintendo does it the way they do for children hands. I know wider with offset makes it harder for kids to use the d-pad

Us adults just gotta cop it or buy 3rd party

[true zodiac]

Small or big hands doesn't change the basic mechanics, the controls being directly aligned with each other leads to unnecessary bending of the thumbs rather than a more relaxed movement when they are offset.

[strange ivy]

That is true

[true zodiac]

They do it the way they do because it saves space on a handheld and in the case of the switch, fit the coop controllers gimmick, they don't do it on the pro controllers though because those cannot do the latter and would be compared unfavourably with proper controllers if they aligned those vertically

[jolly kayak]

Im buying it regardless

[solar cairn]

at least put some artwork or a design or something on the bottom, it's such a bland empty nothing space. A veritable canyon between dpad, face buttons and speaker grills

suppose we can slap a pikachu or samus sticker on it and call it a day

[sacred kindle]

powkiddy ahh tactic

[solar cairn]

clamshells are so barren

feels bad

[sacred kindle]

they do add to the extra cost for cheap handhelds

[calm oracle]

The android ones always leave blank spaces in the middle

[solar cairn]

BLAND

[sacred kindle]

nicer imo

[solar cairn]

do they even realize they could have at least gone for full sized dpad and buttons? at the very least

[solar cairn]

look so dumb having these tiny skittles in the middle of so much nothingness

[sacred kindle]

suit yourself, I'll have fun feeling that soft sleek plastic shell 😻

[solar cairn]

erm, okay enjoy your plastic ig

[calm oracle]

[solar cairn]

any reason why the clamshells are mostly 16:9 when they're not even powerful enough to run 16:9 games? is this why the SP clamshell is so popular

[fathom geyser]

Better than glass

[solar cairn]

just adds to the waste of space, having huge black bars left and right most of the time

[fathom geyser]

There isn’t that many clams out

[sacred kindle]

but the first rp flip was powerful enough to run psp and lots of ps2 games

[lilac blaze]

could put a touchpad in there

[solar cairn]

ps2 isnt widescreen but ok

[calm oracle]

Could put an H700 there

[solar cairn]

could put anything there! thats the point. oh well

[sacred kindle]

widescreen hax

[fathom geyser]

Yeah it’s a GBA/PSP beast. I also like to use widescreen hacks for N64 and Dreamcast sometimes

[solar cairn]

gross

[sacred kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-4218575792509432061

[lilac blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-banhammer-ban-hammer-mod-gif-458944485492049902

[calm oracle]

Ah ah
That's my job

[lilac blaze]

oh 16:9 mario

[solar cairn]

lmao your screen could have been 2 inches smaller, with all that bezel plus the black bars. sm64 isnt your typical widescreen hacks since the source was dumped

[sacred kindle]

hey now, the rp flip was released years ago
It's pretty good for its time tbh

[wary pond]

they should put an m.2 slot right in the middle

[fathom geyser]

People forget how fast this space goes by

I’ve been waiting for a gamecube clamshell since I was a fookin’ boy

[solar cairn]

2023 is "good for it's time"

it's still february you know

[sacred kindle]

time passes by quick

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-walker-gif-4456070846517955697

[fathom geyser]

2 years is a big amount of time for this space dude

[solar cairn]

are retro handhelds in their own time dimension where 12 months = 10 years

[sacred kindle]

retro handhelds have become increasingly popular in the last few years so yeah prob

Can't own a physical collection of game discs/cartridges? No problem! Here's a handheld that can play all of them! Now you can have your own collection!

[lilac blaze]

1 year can get you how many? 5? anbernic handhelds alone

[sacred kindle]

8 i think

[lilac blaze]

soon we be getting 1 every month

[sacred kindle]

hopefully with a new chipset

[solar cairn]

imagine your new anbernic still in transit from ali when a new one launches 4 weeks later

anbernic are insane though so i wouldn't be surprised

[sacred kindle]

My favorite are the local stores that finally managed to get their hands on rg35xx plus
like 9 months after its release

[solar cairn]

that's still smart because they can upsell them to normie parents and kids

as the chinese knock offs dont exactly market their stuff widely, so people wont know what's new/old. plus all of them kinda look exactly the same if you squint

[sacred kindle]

and charge them 80$

Although I will note in my experience that weight adds a lot of costs

I tried to do a small business ordering 10 devices and got hit with a 55$ weight tax

[solar cairn]

doesnt seem to stop every electronics store ever from stocking those pandora arcades

those things are insidious, they are literally everywhere

[sacred kindle]

oh totally
Some stores are selling an RG Cube XX for 110$

[stray dagger]

the Wii U layout is pretty likely due to the sticks needing the thickness that is only present where the ergo is supposed to be IMO, like they probably have done a mild ergo bump that levels with the triggers and fitted the sticks and speakers in there

[sleek mesa]

the giant space in the middle is so you can put your entire hand there to use as a hand warmer
source: the gpd xd plus was in a constant state of running concerningly hot all the time which made it great to use in the winter but always with the concern of nuclear meltdown in the back of your head

[solar cairn]

[sleek mesa]

we've learned to put fans in these devices

[naive blade]

PLEASEEE

I need it

[copper burrow]

MNorning all, do we have any new info or are people being hyperbolic and crazy fucks as usual 😄

[lilac blaze]

morning, nothing, except assumptions

[random tulip]

Haha. Yeah. Some of the people I'm here. "You didn't want exactly this, die in a fire"

[copper burrow]

i haven't seen people tell others to die in a fire yet 😄

[tawdry dove]

https://tenor.com/view/pirómano-meme-jeje-odio-bomberos-gif-15722930

[sweet shuttle]

Calling the 3DS an ergonomic nightmare sounds like a skill issue ngl

[solar cairn]

circle pad changed my life

begone with your inferior inset joycon-likes

[stray dagger]

using the d-pad was really bad tho, never used it as the main input, even on VC games

[vital belfry]

Just get a 2DS, way more comfortable than my 3DSXL for longer sessions

[stray dagger]

you say that like I wouldn't have three

[plush silo]

I have the New 2DSXL personally.
I don’t mind using the dpad on it for DS games

[random tulip]

One for each foot

[glacial creek]

I know what you mean. People really need to get a grip 🤪🤣

[random tulip]

Haha. There's def been way worse out there

[rotund kelp]

you want to know why there's a blank space in the middle? there's a big metal spreader plate under that blank space, and underneath that, there's the CPU.

All you guys complaining "UGH I HATE IT TOO MUCH EMPTY SPACE UGH" really want to have a really sweaty, burning right or left palm don't ya?

[tawdry dove]

so what you're saying is I can warm my pizza bites on it

[rotund kelp]

sure.

[plush silo]

I'm gaming on this and heating up my hot pocket at the same time

[rotund kelp]

and then there's the nutjobs that just want to keep using the battery as a heatsink. like, sure man. Your aesthetics are better than everyone else's safety. grow up

[solar cairn]

a built in pizza pocket warmer is a feature. all they need to do is put a picture of a pizza pocket on the heat spreader and we're good

[fathom geyser]

I’m hoping the thermals are good, would love to run some texture packs on some gamecube games

[plush silo]

Given I will likely use this fairly often if I get it, important to me its thermals are good

[craggy kestrel]

I haven't bought a new device since I got the flip 1 but the PS2/GCN performance while somewhat serviceable is also disappointing so I'm super hype for the flip 2

Currently in a car ride to Charleston playing the Yakuza PSP games

[true zodiac]

There can be a better balance between making good use of the space and not melting the user, everso larger buttons/dpad and a reasonable offset for the controls seem like obvious benefits you should be able to get from the form factor without compromising cooling

[icy bramble]

If not in the direct center we definitely need more buttons in other places

Like the start / select on the right hand side and Android buttons on the other

Volume controls can be up top or something but that's somewhat unintuitive

Idk there is definite wonkyness to that blank space that just makes things seem weird

[coral valley]

Yeah I think what we got is pretty good, but it's silly to imply this is the best possible layout

[fathom geyser]

I don’t know until I’ve got one in my hands but honestly, the only thing I think I would’ve wanted is a menu button

Everything else looks pretty good to me so far

[true zodiac]

As it's a retroid, android buttons over a single menu button would make more sense

[icy bramble]

It could be possible some of that is located on the sides too.

[fathom geyser]

Chris said it’s the power button

Press for menu, hold for power

[icy bramble]

monkaS

[solar cairn]

buttons on the sides of a clamshell? no bueno

[coral valley]

Didn't the 3ds also have that?

[solar cairn]

volume and the 3D slider from memory. no menu / back buttons on the side, that'd be stupid

[true zodiac]

3ds had a switch and slider

[icy bramble]

@solar cairn It wouldn't be the end of the world if it was touch sensors in particular.

[fathom geyser]

Ew no

[coral valley]

That would probably be worse ngl

[solar cairn]

yeah i guess the 5.5 inches of space on the bottom of the clamshell would be idiotic to use for buttons. touch sensors on the sides much better idea

[icy bramble]

Better than nothing at all

[coral valley]

On the bottom sounds super awkward

It'd be better on the top

[fathom geyser]

Touch sensors on the sides
Are u smoking crack

[solar cairn]

it was @icy bramble idea, ask him

[true zodiac]

For those who are positive about the layout, what benefits does both sticks up provide, it seems like it would just make it more cramped over either xbox or playstation stick layouts for any game where you were using both of them

[icy bramble]

If you have better ideas and the empty center is off limits where do you put buttons or a secondary method of input

[coral valley]

The Xbox controller layout would have better

This isn't terrible though

[fathom geyser]

I saw a picture somebody did of the dualshock layout and once I saw that and imagined my hands trying to hold both versions, the retroid version just looks more comfortable for some reason. I didn’t dig it the first time I saw it, but now when I’m imagining, I can definitely dig both sticks on top

[solar cairn]

usually it balances the weight of holding it, so you can play easier with dual sticks and triggers at the same time. but we havent seen the back of it so who knows

[icy bramble]

Because we're almost starting to get to "just have it as a pull out menu on the side of the screen" which would be pretty inconvenient

[fathom geyser]

I don’t even use the right stick very often so it really is a fine layout for me

[coral valley]

I feel like in most modern games you're using the left analog and the buttons most out of the controls, it makes the most sense to have those on top

[solar cairn]

when you say modern games are you talking about gamecube, or android?

[plush silo]

Sticks tend to require more dexterity than buttons on average, so I think at the least, having both sticks up is better than having them both down. I don't have any strong opinions on where the buttons are outside of thinking it's nice to have the dpad and buttons symmetrical with each other.
I found it perfectly fine to have both sticks up on the Wii U Pro Controller

[fathom geyser]

I think it’s those recessed sticks don’t look comfortable in dualshock layout for some reason

Compared to say the sliders on the OG Flip

[coral valley]

Well android ig, but honestly I just think it's the most comfortable layout in general. There's a reason that most controllers nowadays have an asymmetrical layout, Sony being the exception

[solar cairn]

are those og flip sliders as good as 3ds circle pad?

[rotund kelp]

there are people in this room that never used the gpd xd, rp flip, or x18s and this looks scary to them.
and then there are people who did and are comfortable with the layout.

and there are a handfull that did, hated it, and wish it would change

[fathom geyser]

I think the 3DS circle pad might be a little better feeling imo, but the Flip’s sliders are hall sliders so they wont ever drift if you’re worried about that

I really like the Flip sliders

[coral valley]

Oppenheimer type monologue

[rotund kelp]

my issue with clamshells are sharp shoulder button edges and face-button depth, since those affect gameplay a lot more than trapezoidal positioning

[solar cairn]

then i think they should never have switched to the inset sticks. that circle pad is so good, no idea why more clamshells don't use them

[fathom geyser]

People said the button depth was too high on the Mini (not sure for the 5), I’m more picky about D-Pads than face buttons and I like the Retroid D-Pad

[fathom geyser]

Majority of people want sticks, it’s sad because there’s basically no devices out right now using sliders when they are a really great way to play

[plush silo]

I'd have been perfectly fine with sliders myself over inset sticks, but yeah most people want sticks

[fathom geyser]

I’m hoping the vertical they’re coming out with (if that’s what it is) uses one

[rotund kelp]

inset sticks take getting used to, especially when they are in clamshell pits. you have to roll the stick on your thumb instead of pivoting it. it changes your muscle memory

[coral valley]

I'm fine with either

[solar cairn]

damn shame. maybe the stick lovers will reconsider when they feel how bad it is to put your thumb inside a couple of pits

instead of the satisfaction of resting on a slider

[serene storm]

So, every other device out right now lol

Don’t want sliders. Didn’t like em on the original flip, especially don’t want em for an 865 handheld

[fathom geyser]

The thing I love about the slider is it gives you a bit of resistance, it feels like it slightly pushes your thumb back to the middle; old analog sticks like the Dreamcast felt more like this compared to modern analog sticks

[wooden phoenix]

Most devices don't have sticks inside a pit though. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[fathom geyser]

If you’ve got a Flip, fly with Mario in Mario 64 and compare it to a modern analog stick you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about

[serene storm]

They’re just recessed lol

[coral valley]

Sliders for racing or fps games wouldn't be a great experience

[solar cairn]

? the flip must suck ass then. I played SM64 3DS with no issues, it was fun

[wooden phoenix]

Most devices I've had don't have sticks recessed like that. Sliders would have been better. I don't want the tops of the sticks even the shell. Yuck

[fathom geyser]

I’m saying it’s a good thing

[solar cairn]

ohhh ok

[serene storm]

Cause of how it looks?

[wooden phoenix]

All of this is purely opinion. And I think yours is wrong 🤣

[serene storm]

If it doesn’t touch the plastic of the handheld, literally doesn’t mean anything to me lol

[coral valley]

I mean yeah obviously

[wooden phoenix]

I don't like the feel. Couldn't care less about looks. I like my sticks up

[solar cairn]

Trying to bottom out the stick while it's inside of a pit, means your thumb touches the top of the shell

[fathom geyser]

Racing games are good. The flip was actually one of the first of the ”cheapish” handhelds in this space to use analog triggers

[safe silo]

Do you mean DS? It was released with no analog stick support, just touch screen

[serene storm]

The point is that it shouldn’t. And is a silly claim that it even can when you don’t have one in hand lol

[coral valley]

Shooters though?

[solar cairn]

ya i played that on my 3ds with circle pad back in the days

[safe silo]

With a mod?

[wooden phoenix]

At the end of the day none of our opinions matter. They aren't changing anything. And because it's a clam I'll still buy it 🤣

[fathom geyser]

I don’t really play those, but I’d probably be fine. It’s preference and it depends on the person. I don’t think sliders should be completely abandoned because they aren’t the most popular option and some don’t like them

[solar cairn]

yea i patched it pretty soon after i got a softmod working

[wooden phoenix]

And sell. And buy. And sell again

[serene storm]

Not like the ordinary rp5/ayn sticks have this insane range of motion. People will find anything to complain about

[solar cairn]

just look at it. do you think the range of motion on the inset stick is so small that your thumb would never touch the top of the shell while using it?

[coral valley]

Gotta make some sacrifices for pocketablity

[solar cairn]

the rp5 sticks arent inside of a pit

[serene storm]

It’s a render and yes I assume retroid is smart enough to not make the sticks bottom out with your thumbs flat against the surface

[stray dagger]

the dual shock is unlikely to work without making the entire device thicker than it needs to be anyway, given how the sticks are most likely sunken in where the ergo will be on the Wii U layout

[solar cairn]

that's a bold assumption

[fathom geyser]

It wouldn’t work with recessed sticks in that position because the battery needs to go there

[serene storm]

It’s a fair assumption since literally all of retroids renders since eternity as horrible

[solar cairn]

it's a chinese knock off for a reason, dont forget. they dont spend millions on r&d on these suckers

[serene storm]

? Neither did you but you are able to figure out why something like that isn’t good

[wooden phoenix]

Couldn't agree more there. They have the most misleading and awful renders of anyone lol

[serene storm]

Their renders are so far from the actual thing and if Chris says it feels good I’ll take his word for it for now

[stray dagger]

that also yeah, but who needs battery

[solar cairn]

and? that doesnt mean anything

[wooden phoenix]

I like Chris a lot. Enjoyed chatting with him all the time before he worked for retroid but he's an employee of retroid. His job is to build the hype.

That being said. I'll preorder the flip. Regardless of reviews being out of not. Haha

[solar cairn]

im impressed with the length of the list of excuses you guys pull out when theres any criticism about the design, to the point where you'll discredit the actual picture they've shown and "trust in chris", whoever that is

[serene storm]

It’s not a picture it’s a render

Self report that you have no idea what’s going on lol

[wooden phoenix]

Smmuny. They can't help their ignorance. They must be new.

[serene storm]

[solar cairn]

oh im sorry i'll have to go on a few dates with Chris before having an opinion by the sounds of it

[coral valley]

It's not that the criticisms aren't valid, it's just I don't think it's a deal breaker

[serene storm]

Who went on a date with Chris?

Now you’re just saying nonsense lol

[solar cairn]

taking it literally lmao

[fathom geyser]

Exactly. I’ve just wanted pocketable gamecube for years

[wooden phoenix]

If it gets me the inside scoop I'll take him on a date. His beard is better than mine

[serene storm]

He’s on the other side of the country from me I think, it’ll be an expensive date

[wooden phoenix]

Okay that's a lie. His beard isn't better

He's east coast.

So for me it would be. Pnw here lol

[stray dagger]

why even care at this point, just pre-order

[formal latch]

I assume some of you are debate club teachers, because it feels like some of you argue for a living.
Kind of exhausting.
Same with this "my idea of what feels good is the only right one and you're wrong" mentality some around here have, too.
Some people love Xbox controllers. I hate them. Some of you like sliders, I'm not a fan.
Does that mean you're wrong and I'm right? No, it's Preference, like a lot of things in this hobby are.
I don't get spending this much time or energy telling people they're wrong or whatever based on preferences. Agree to disagree. Nobody is 100% right to anyone else. Constantly butting heads over it seems like a waste of time and energy

[solar cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/office-will-gif-20573311

[coral valley]

The design of our Chinese toys is very important okay

[wooden phoenix]

Just waiting to see the other colors. Then I'll make my choice and save that money.

[solar cairn]

obviously @coral valley they arent deal breakers, but if my thumb keeps rubbing the top/edge of it when im trying to game, it's going to be annoying and i'll want sliders instead

[coral valley]

Fair point, I guess we're just gonna have to see

[stray dagger]

if there is no black option I will riot 🔥

[solar cairn]

black is the only color

[wooden phoenix]

Have they ever done a release without black? I think black, gc, SNES are safe assumptions for solid colors. I want to see the transparent color options.

[solar cairn]

i cant find any of my hh at night, even my cases are black. phone light required

[random tulip]

My guess is transparent will be second wave

[solar cairn]

these companies have stretched the meaning of "glacier" way too far, so now it means fully transparent, no blue tint to be seen. give me a proper transparent blue

[copper burrow]

its very entertaining to watch people be this invested in it 😂

[random tulip]

Rg34xx is frosted glacier. Just not very blue

[wooden phoenix]

I'd like another watermelon. But this time I'll expect frost instead of whatever renders they release

[solar cairn]

yeah that prevented me buying a second one oh well

[random tulip]

To be fair the original GBA was both blue and not blue depending on when you bought it and the lighting

[strange ivy]

Gimme the RP5 Flip in split black top, yellow/red bottom, I’m sold

[random tulip]

Easy. Just buy 4 and make whatever combo you want

[stray dagger]

also I wanna see the Retroid 5 DMG render now

[random tulip]

Honestly way more interested in that now

[strange ivy]

TBH if they sell extra shells like the RP5, I probably will

[random tulip]

Don't know if I need a foldable rp5 and rp5

[strange ivy]

There’s never a need. Only a want

I have the RP5 Mini and I want the Flip since my eyesight isn’t getting any better

[random tulip]

True. I'll need to see the back and if it's even comfortable. Then I'll need to wait and see how people's hinges survive. Lol

[strange ivy]

Yeah Retroid definitely need to up their game regarding the hinge

[solar cairn]

what if it has NUBS on the back!?

[versed vigil]

Oh, if you’re coming from the RP Flip 1, the SD865 on the RP5 (and almost definitely guaranteed to be on the RP Flip 2) will definitely be a night and day difference from the T618.

There’s literally only a few PS2 games (that don’t outright crash or have legit unplayable graphical errors on Aether) that still have issues on the RP5, and they’re the same games that have issues on the Odin 2 (where literally only like 2-3 of them are able to be technically “fixed” by the Odin 2’s performance headroom, but it’s really only a bandaid for the bigger issue of AtherSX2’s lack of optimization).

[solar cairn]

yeah exactly. more horsepower wont solve PS2 at this point, its the android emulator that sucks because it got abandoned

so we're stuck with loads of per game fixes and atrocious compatibility until a linux device has the same power as a RP5 or odin2

[random tulip]

PS2 emulator on Linux better?

[versed vigil]

Even then we’d be stuck waiting for PCSX2 devs to finally do the same “fine, we’ll support ARM, but we aren’t touching Android with a 10-foot pole” move that RPCS3 did, and make an ARM Linux build, because otherwise we would have to run PCSX2 through a translation layer for x86 to ARM.

[solar cairn]

you could say that

[random tulip]

Heh

[solar cairn]

RPCS3 ARM port is great though? I mean, I'd take it over what we have now, which is two awful builds of aethersx2

[versed vigil]

It is, the problem is that RPCS3 is for PS3 last I checked (so I don’t know if they recently added the PS3’s PS2-emulation capabilities or not), so we’d need to wait for PCSX2 to make the same jump, even if it’s solely for Arm-pc stuff and not mobile support.

[dusky ferry]

what are the ps3 stuff that can run full speed at 1x on the rp5? any 3D stuff?

[solar cairn]

it's only for PS3 yeah. I guess the more popular these handhelds get, the more chance that PCSX2 guys take a look at porting to ARM

[versed vigil]

I only tested like 3 games (really only 2 though, since Sonic Unleashed was purely for the lols), and so far Nier can potentially run at 0.75x with Vulkan with actually legit playable speeds, but the currently available drivers are utterly fucked for the game and cause the same lighting issues you’d expect from an outdated driver for pc, and the only fix for them is to go to OpenGPL, which instead tanks performance to unplayable levels.

[solar cairn]

Do you have Wipeout HD / Fury?

[versed vigil]

Meanwhile the Rocknix devs already showed Demon Souls, and while it at least doesn’t have the same lighting issue, it still requires going to 0.5x resolution.

[dusky ferry]

hmm, sounds more for just tinkering than any actual usage then, like ps2/GC on T618s, or maybe even worse. demon soul is one of the lighter 3D titles if i am not wrong

[versed vigil]

Definitely for 3D, but for 2D it’s actually done a pretty decent job from what I’ve seen in other people’s tests.

[versed vigil]

It’s weird? Because Demon Souls arguably should be running better than it is if you were looking at what Nier does when in Vulkan (ignoring the lighting problem of course), so I suspect there might be some bugs related to performance for Demon Souls, like with the lighting issues for Nier.

[proud shoal]

it's only going to be lighter titles; once you get to something like Demon Souls (which is still considered light but its more 3d graphics based), thats where you will see slow down

[sweet shuttle]

I thought the thing with Demon's Souls is that it's the main reason most people emulate PS3, and thus a lot of work has been put into optimising its performance

[proud shoal]

the RPCS3 developers dont really focus on optimizing on a game by game basis; they do work to optimize the emulator as a whole, meaning they want the work to encompass other things with it as well

[sweet shuttle]

You're probably right

Randomly reminded of how I emulated Yakuza Dead Souls, and the recommended patches listed on the RPCS3 wiki destroyed the experience

Whereas running the game with no patches was completely fine

[floral pebble]

What about a fan for in the chasm? Perfect for sweaty gamer hands and it'll keep people from puting ugly stickers on it.

[sacred kindle]

OwO what's dis sticks finger in it, gets cuts

[versed vigil]

Someone would have to have the weakest skin in existence for a fan of that average size to cut them.

[fathom geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/soil-dust-ثنثن-رياكشن-غبار-gif-22947035

[random tulip]

Gamers are brittle from lack of sunlight

[solar cairn]

my stickers aren't ugly

[jolly kayak]

Debatable

Gonna be tough deciding between the black and the gamecube version

[versed vigil]

Assuming they make the expected move of supporting the ability to buy extra buttons and parts for diy, just do what I did with the RP5 and make your own combo of both.

[sacred valley]

Oh God please don't put analogs above the dpad and especially not the face buttons.

[icy bramble]

Too late they did

[versed vigil]

You’re a bit late to the party. Most people here are actually fine with it, and at least a good chunk of the people who aren’t are just planning on waiting to see how other people like reviewers feel.

[echo lynx]

how could you hate the wii u

[icy bramble]

Be anyone but Scott the Woz

[versed vigil]

Oh it’s easy to hate the console, the layout is the one that suffered the consequences of being unfairly associated.

[echo lynx]

must send rp flip 2 to scott the woz

[echo lynx]

what did it even do wrong

the games are actually good

720p is a miracle compared to 480i

wii u is kinda good

curses upon the wii

[versed vigil]

Speaking from the perspective of someone who actually had the thing at launch, what games?

[sacred valley]

Definitely not what "most" people wanted, I was following the wishlist and didn't see a single person ask for this (granted I didn't read every single comment lol).

[echo lynx]

same

wait not launch

but i had a wii u

super mario 3d world is good

[versed vigil]

Honestly even for people who didn’t have it at launch, it’s only gotten worse with time as more and more games from the Wii U get ported to the Switch, meaning less and less reasons to get it now. The fact it didn’t have much third party support and also lacked games for a good chunk of its beginning was just enough to leave people with a bad taste in their mouths right from the start.

[solar cairn]

NintendoLand was hilarious. Why is that that all the goofy nintendo online apps/games are always so cooked?

[sacred valley]

Also, I seem to remember the plurality of people here asking them to bring back the clickable hall sliders from the flip 1. They literally incorporated none of the feedback expect the color scheme preferences 😂

[versed vigil]

Well yeah, this thing got announced only like 1-2 weeks after the feedback.

[solar cairn]

It's interesting that people expect a community "wish list" is going to be fulfilled to the letter. Like Retroid are Santa Claus

[versed vigil]

And it’s already late enough in development that Chris actively has a working prototype unit to mess with.

[echo lynx]

they ask for feedback then completely ignore it

thats the issue we have

[echo lynx]

what about my nintendont and wii

[solar cairn]

it's not an issue exclusive to retroid. most companies do this. it's good optics

[versed vigil]

Because they never asked for the feedback in the first place, we essentially shoved a list in their face and said “make the Flip 2 and use these suggestions!”.

[sacred valley]

But isn't this a concept supposedly based on the feedback? It's not like this is a manufacturered unit. Just a teaser. Why even do the wishlist marketing if they weren't planning to listen at all? All they did was take advantage of the Retro Handheld discord and community making them feel like they had some influence

[jagged blade]

I am really excited for this. Thank you RH for making this happen. Appreciate you.

[sacred valley]

Fair enough

I guess the statements from the owners of this channel lead me to believe Retroid wanted feedback

[versed vigil]

No, they literally already had a working prototype unit developed for Chris to mess with.

And again, they never asked for the wishlist in the first place. How am I the only one who actively remembers that we made the wishlist completely on our terms for the sake of saying “we want you to start making the Flip 2 and to use these suggestions”.

[sacred valley]

I might have misread the statements but the people organizing the polls did kinda make it seem that way

[versed vigil]

Hell, I was literally one of the people against the wishlist in the first place.

[jagged blade]

Thanks RH for the wishlist. You guys made it happen.

[solar cairn]

RH confirmed for bunch of entitled clamshell kids

[versed vigil]

Since I felt like it would be weird to be asking them to make a whole new handheld while they’re still working on fixing one of their current handhelds.

[solar cairn]

This rumor mill was more fun when people thought they were getting what they asked for and were waiting for pre-orders

[jagged blade]

Has Chris shown prototypes of the handheld?

[limpid ledge]

Retroid didn't even ask them but

[limpid ledge]

Nope

[versed vigil]

No, but he’s directly mentioned using it and thinking it’s comfortable.

[jagged blade]

So it’s all hearsay anyways.

[limpid ledge]

It would be comfortable

No doubt

[versed vigil]

Would be less that and more of a direct lie from him if it wasn’t true.

[limpid ledge]

Only thing it would be bottom shells

It needs to be balance

[jolly kayak]

The layout arguments don't make any sense to me.

Both sticks on the bottoms is probably the dumbest one, because they're never ergonomically placed like a Playstation controller.

Both sticks on top is only comfortable on Steam Deck because of the triangulation placement of the controls, and the options to use touch pads instead.

Left stick on top, right stick on bottom, works for controllers because of ergonomic placement.

When i say ergonomic placement, I mean an inset, where those controls aren't forcing your thumb to scrunch up. Looking at you RP5

So, it's not the stick locations vertically so much, but horizontally. The current images of the flip look comfortable.

[jagged blade]

At lease when taki work for Retroid he tease prototypes in his videos. I know Chris doesn’t make videos. I am still waiting for the mini screen to be fixed that he said was going to happen.

[limpid ledge]

That's true but people was against steam deck when it comes out until everyone got it and everyone love it

Layout*

[versed vigil]

Since there isn’t much of a way for him to claim stuff like this without literally having it in hand to test with.

[jagged blade]

Ergo is all prospective. You are never going to make everyone happy with the layout. As an actual owner of a gpd xd+ and x18s. I liked that layout

[jolly kayak]

Exactly

[jolly kayak]

Do u mean perspective

[jagged blade]

Yeah sorry

[limpid ledge]

So with the better controls like retroid they would exceed it but bottom shells need to be pocketable but bit ergo little bit not too much just right

[versed vigil]

Yup, main thing with me is that this not only solves the inset sticks on the RP5 (and even RP4 Pro given its offset wasn’t exactly great), but it also makes it so that the sticks aren’t too far down to comfortably use without a grip.

[solar cairn]

Ergonomics is a science, not a perspective, or a preference. No one can claim something is "comfortable" and have it be true in every case. This goes for everything from a couch to a controller. So forgive me if I take his opinions with multiple grains of salt.

[jolly kayak]

Are we speaking of my opinions lol?

[coral valley]

So ergonomics are a science but they're still subjective? I don't really understand the point you're trying to make

[rigid thicket]

Maybe he meant "isn't" a science? Otherwise just immediately contradicted themselves.

[jagged blade]

Maybe but many people aren’t brother by right sticks being directly under the “b” button like on a rp5 or Odin 2. To me it drives me crazy.

[solar cairn]

Chris's, being the only person who's provided any actual insight to how it feels in the hand

[jolly kayak]

I listed out various setups that are all considered widely to be ergonomic. Concisely, they are

PS4 controller layout
Steam Deck layout
Switch Pro Controller layout

[solar cairn]

How else can I say. Chris isn't an ergonomics scientist

and he's likely trying to sell us something dont forget that small detail