Retroid Pocket Flip 2 (Cows Ascended)

[cyan seal]

Zune brown confirmed

Yeah bwoiii

[icy bramble]

I'm just saying having a second screen on the top/back of the device would be really cool to have a DVD screensaver float around on while you were gaming

[random tulip]

Maybe it's an external mini monitor and a roll of ducktape

[chilly karma]

they’re selling bt earphones now so I think no headphone jack

[cyan seal]

Ok lads, I’m off and away 🛫, hope the news is good when I get back

May the gods have mercy on our credit cards

Because between the Super7 for the Switch, a new Switch 2, and a potential Flip 2, I’m gonna be hurting this season

[echo lynx]

super7 for the switch?

might have to pick up an online banned switch

theyre like 99 dollars

[random tulip]

Super 7 switch

[echo lynx]

super 7 nintendo emulation system

damnit

[formal edge]

Why

[gentle badge]

But also a vertical hiding

[echo lynx]

oh its 8 30

[formal edge]

Why would they have the joysticks above

[echo lynx]

what happened

what

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WWWWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII UUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ancient robin]

The Retroid Pocket 1 2

[gentle badge]

Honestly I dig the Wii u layout lol

[echo lynx]

wii u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wii u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wii u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ancient robin]

I like the controls, absolutely

[pallid pilot]

Reminds me of the gpd win 1

[echo lynx]

WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vast marten]

It doesn't look impressive, ngl

[formal edge]

[echo lynx]

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII UUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[severe ridge]

i was also right, its a vertical in the back there

[echo lynx]

wii u wii u wii u

[formal edge]

I was looking forward to this

[echo lynx]

no dual screen

its garbage

[pallid pilot]

Actually no it's more like the XD which is all a flip ever needed to be

[calm oracle]

So now that it's been announced can we have the picture from your insider to see if it's actually anything like this

[coral valley]

I kinda knew there wasn't going to be a dual screen but man it still hurts

[oblique trench]

just now noticed the one in the back lol

[echo lynx]

today the new 3ds xl turned 10

[vast marten]

I didn't expect dual screen or anything similar, but the control layout looks weird, kinda worse than in the first flip

[twilit mulch]

Oh shit it’s actually a flip 2

[pallid pilot]

Is that a vertical in the back of that photo

[echo lynx]

significant date for a non dualscreen

[vast marten]

it reminds me of "we have Wii U at home"

[weary lark]

Is that a 1:1 SLIDER????

[left bobcat]

Well that's effing hideous XD

[formal edge]

I was fine with it remaining a single screen, but the layout of the controls?? Why’d they change

[blazing burrow]

Flip 2 time

[echo lynx]

WWWWWWWWWWWWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII UUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!

[ancient robin]

I'm taking crazy pills, I think the controls are great

[oblique trench]

and also flip mini

[vast marten]

my first thought was exactly like this, but after I second I decided to not be too harsh on the design xD

I still don't like it, but I guess it could've been worse. Or more bizarre

[echo lynx]

hopium is always the course

[oblique trench]

who dis

[echo lynx]

wiiii u!!!!!!!

[vast marten]

I'm more interested in that supposed mini version

[echo lynx]

not wii u

[blazing burrow]

Love that we're getting a lil option as well

[pallid pilot]

A flip mini would be insane

[twilit mulch]

I guess it’s because it’s going to be more 3D focused? Looks more like the Powkiddy X18s in this regard

[vast marten]

that's hiding on the left

[lilac blaze]

[echo lynx]

i dont remember saying that

[vast marten]

mini clamshell device with Android would be great

[left bobcat]

Maybe it's that I just woke up from a nap and haven't had any coffee yet, but that design is just awful. The dual sticks up top seem bizarre, and there's a ridiculous amount of empty space on the front. On the plus side, my wallet is glad I have zero interest in buying it lol

[oblique trench]

reminds me a lot of the x18s lol

[severe ridge]

thats the vertical i been saying will happen for months and no one believed me

[coral valley]

Looks like I'm gonna have to buy the OneXSugar now

[echo lynx]

no no

[twilit mulch]

I hope it’s just a good and pocketable Android vertical. Hopefully isn’t bulky like the 405 and 406V reportedly are

[echo lynx]

magicx one sp

or twosp

or threeds

or super sp

[coral valley]

There's like zero info about those though

Not even a concept

[vast marten]

Yes, that empty space surely stands out... Weird layout makes it stand out even more.

[weak fulcrum]

My wallet chuckling nervously

[random tulip]

There we go

[left bobcat]

I am interested in the mysterious vertical though! Maybe that one will be more sensibly designed lol

[sweet rune]

Retroid SP

Double down on hinges

[coral valley]

Would make sense tbh

[formal latch]

Glad I'm not disappointed. Just need a concrete release date now and hope the price isn't insane

[twilit mulch]

I just hope they’re making a stronger hinge than the Flip 1.

[urban jewel]

DID THEY FIX THE HINGE?! 😍

[versed vigil]

Yo @blazing burrow we got another channel to make.

[blazing burrow]

ayyee

[calm oracle]

flip 2 mini

[random tulip]

Our feedback worked!

[formal latch]

Did it though? 😂

[random tulip]

Lol

[coral valley]

Our?

[formal edge]

So it was you who told them to flip the sticks and the dpad/buttons

[versed vigil]

Well sort-of, since it’s got sticks in the Wii U layout.

[oblique trench]

that was too fast lol

[random tulip]

Well yeah. We just wanted to seem unique on the form. Everyone secretly wanted it that way tho

[echo lynx]

finally

wii u

[formal latch]

Feels more like they knew what they had already and wanted concrete confirmation, and went "oh, guess we nailed it" and just released what they had already

[versed vigil]

So 1-2 people’s feedback was heard.

[random tulip]

Wii U was the greatest device ever made so it only makes sense

[formal edge]

I was looking forward to the flip 2

Rip

[left turret]

those who wants, dual screen..

[twilit mulch]

Honestly the Wii U pro controller was fine for gaming on, and I’m not joking either.
It’s better than it looks for retro games.

[random tulip]

I am being heavily sarcastic. Just in case some don't realize

[jagged blade]

GPD is that you?

[formal latch]

I prefer parallel sticks and I wanted a layout like this, so I'm happy

[echo lynx]

waiting for a steam controller 2 just for that'

[cyan seal]

I like the sticks up top, kinda seems more ergonomic

My thumbs aren’t gonna curl up as much

Fuck it, I’m in

Love that indigo/purple

[random tulip]

I mean it looks exactly how I expected it to look. Dual screens is a pipe dream. 3 or 4 other small companies have to try and sorta fail/succeed first before RP steps in

[twilit mulch]

There’s no way that affordable dual screen android devices will happen anytime soon.

[cyan seal]

The bezels look good and small

[blazing burrow]

My beloved XD!

[tropic socket]

Yuck, both sticks on top is a miss

[cyan seal]

Idk, why y’all think high up sticks are a miss?

[random tulip]

I mean dual screens ain't that hard on a Linux device

[cyan seal]

Seriously asking

[coral valley]

I mean we got the ayaneo flip ds, just expensive is all

[random tulip]

Affordable Linux device with 2 screens ain't crazy

[fluid stone]

oh shit they did it

[pallid pilot]

Always wanted an XD as a kid , now I have my chance

[jagged blade]

I love my GPD XD. This will be great

[twilit mulch]

There’s also the onexsugar, but it’s just a shame how gaudy it looks so far.

[blazing burrow]

XD ergo is awesome

[fluid stone]

I thought this wasn't until tomorrow lol

[twilit mulch]

And that won’t be cheap either…

[fluid stone]

Didn't expect two pings. Looks neat I'm actually totally down for the sticks on top it's like a wiiu gamepad

[random tulip]

Basically just an additional monitor that Linux can drive pretty easily. Emulators that can support 2 already exist. Etc.

[left turret]

another 10 months to wait

[ocean cedar]

Spring release right

[jagged blade]

Is that handheld in the back a mini flip?

[versed vigil]

Alright, just posted the rumor mill for the other handheld.

[ocean cedar]

yes

4:3 smaller flip device

[jagged blade]

Nice

[coral valley]

Kind of worth it though

[random tulip]

Yeah gonna be dumb expensive. And probably break easily

[ocean cedar]

i imagine they're gonna use the RP mini screen

[cyan seal]

Have they announced specs or price?

Or is it just a teaser picture

[ocean cedar]

just a tease

[random tulip]

They better fix it first 😆

[severe ridge]

retroid vertical/DMG

[jagged blade]

I hope they figure out the mini screen issues before then

[versed vigil]

Well, it doesn’t actually look 4:3, but that could just be the render.

[tropic socket]

Its emulating one of the worst controllers, for one of the worst systems made. Hard pass from me, i hoped they would have stuck to their usual layout, just move the sticks closer to the d-pad and face buttons.

[calm oracle]

flip 2 mini

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/i-created-it-henry-frankenstein-frankenstein-i-made-it-it-was-my-creation-gif-18799194

[severe ridge]

no hinge

[pallid pilot]

That rp mini screen size should probably look better on a flip, won't look like there's a much empty space like on the mini

[calm oracle]

flip 2 mini

[random tulip]

Honestly ok that I own 3 flip 1s now XD

Was sweating a little

[cyan seal]

Haven’t answered why this layout supposedly is the worst

[mortal epoch]

Lay it out like the Steam Deck or the GPD Win Mini!

[severe ridge]

we have proper control inset, its fine no matter what

[versed vigil]

Nah, the Wii U controller layout is pretty good, it’s not the layout’s fault that the Wii U ended up being one of the worst.

[random tulip]

Moving sticks anywhere not right next to the main controls means likely discomfort for certain hands

[cyan seal]

This layout seems more comfortable on thumbs

Especially with larger hands

[wary pond]

retroid bros we eating good

[random tulip]

Might have to reach for those sticks hard if you have small hands

[calm oracle]

Can we get you to photoshop this whole situation over the Taki RP3+ youtube video

[cyan seal]

They’re right next to them lmao

Idk what y’all are on about

[random tulip]

But at the very top edge of the case

[rigid thicket]

I mean, no more than using buttons where that right stick is.

[coral valley]

I don't really consider controller layouts to be a deal breaker tbh, looks good enough

[rigid thicket]

It looks funny, but functionally it's no different.

[random tulip]

Using shoulders and sticks might require some contortioning for my big hands

[pallid pilot]

Playing on a win 3 for the last couple years I've gotten used to that layout so I have no issues with it

[rigid thicket]

What I'm upset about is they should've put all the controls a little lower to put the stereo speakers above them.

[random tulip]

Buttons require a lot less dexterity tho. Monkeys use buttons

[robust wedge]

Why stick up top when the RP5 had d-pad up top?!

[wary pond]

nintendo was right when they made this controller

[coral valley]

Learned from their mistakes ig

[random tulip]

Yeah. I remember playing CoD on that. It sucked. Lol

You felt like you were clutching the top of the controller the whole time

[robust wedge]

The mistake is to not give people an alternative when every other device in that class does the stick up top.

[echo lynx]

braindead take

[blazing burrow]

I dig the new placements so far

[random tulip]

Still don't know why more don't just do the normal Xbox staggered.

[coral valley]

Isn't this the alternative?

[blazing burrow]

Glad they listened to the community

GC is a very good call

[random tulip]

Oh. That. Yeah. Colorway is solid

[wary pond]

parallel sticks is the most ergo no matter what

[gentle badge]

as long as the dpad + abxy ergo is good (looks fairly centred tbh)

[wary pond]

steam deck taught us that

[gentle badge]

I'm happy with this design

[random tulip]

I wanna see the back of it

[coral valley]

Yeah all they need to do now is cover in completely in glass

[formal latch]

I hate asymmetrical, but I get some like it... But I don't run around saying something is ruined because I don't like the layout

[versed vigil]

Nah, Wii U layout was actually pretty good for platformers and other retro games. We were just too traumatized by the Wii U itself to recognize it (really, only GPD did).

[gentle badge]

this too

the bottom shell could make or break both pocketability and ergo

[random tulip]

Don't think anyone in here is saying it's ruined for everyone. It's ok if it's ruined for them

[solid magnet]

It looks the same as Flip 1 except sticks on top. I wonder what chipset they will use

[vivid seal]

It’s the x18s I’ve always wanted

[robust wedge]

The problem is needing to spend $200 to see if I'm okay with it.

[random tulip]

100% this. Or how comfortable that layout is

[coral valley]

Odin flip when?

[robust wedge]

Only if they do a reverse retroid and put d-pad on top.

[random tulip]

If it's a smooth bar or soap that'll be somewhat disappointing

[coral valley]

That would make even less sense

[gentle badge]

anbernic will probably tease a 557sp now before this goes on sale

so we'll have options

[solid magnet]

Uh Retroid has always put Dpad on top. This is the first time its on the bottom.

[left turret]

but the dpad and the button are in the same line

[random tulip]

Personally I like the flip 1s PS layout

It was really nice in hand

[pallid pilot]

I'd prefer a 407sp instead that way you can have the speakers be on the sides of the screen like the DS

[versed vigil]

Well, if you want a recommendation, you could get a Wii U Pro controller and fuck around with that for a bit on PC.

Although, that might also be a bit expensive if they got more pricy than I last remembered.

[random tulip]

That might break your spirit enough

[robust wedge]

That's why I liked them.

[vivid seal]

I hope they don’t call it the flip 2, lets give it a dumb inspirational name like ‘vista’ or ‘vita’

[random tulip]

I liked my Wii U too. But it wasn't the most comfortable

[robust wedge]

Wait....

[random tulip]

But yeah. If the back has some actual grip I'm fine with one and will pic it up

[robust wedge]

Wait, WHY are the buttons under the right stick?! WHY DID I ONLY JUST NOTICE THAT!

[random tulip]

Do more of a graspers claw thing and rely on the grip for stability

[robust wedge]

I hate when my adhd brain hyperfocuses.

[proud siren]

No stacked shoulders please

[random tulip]

I'm guessing it's bar of soap tho

[rigid thicket]

Meanwhile I'm here hoping flat back with inline shoulders.

Or at least no obnoxious trigger bumps like the RP2S

[robust wedge]

Look, I get the stick up top, I don't like it but I get it, but why buttons under the stick?!

[random tulip]

I don't mind stacked. I'll need stacked if I can't palm it

[formal latch]

I assume this is why making these handhelds is so difficult because there's very little consensus in this hobby that makes everyone happy

[random tulip]

Would have just been nice to palm it

[cursive helm]

I thought the shoulders were really good on the retroid flip

[icy bramble]

I'm trying to imagine playing Fortnite with that layout

[proper trench]

yeah im not trusting the hinge

[random tulip]

I mean. We did a survey. And there were clear winners but yeah

[versed vigil]

Because Wii U/GPD layout, come on we were talking about this for a while now.

[robust wedge]

They weren't terrible by they're always a weak point if you drop it.

[cursive helm]

to its credit it does look a lot thicker

[formal latch]

Yeah, but you know what I meant 😅

[random tulip]

Yeah. I like em a lot. With the lower sticks they were super comfy

[robust wedge]

Who voted for buttons under the stick?!?!

[cursive helm]

fair but I mean things always are likely to break if you're dropping them on that level

[rigid thicket]

Buttons under stick isn't as crazy as it seems.

[proper trench]

full metal flip with metal hinge or nothing

[random tulip]

Nobody. I did say we did a survey. Not that they listened (tho they said they did) . To be fair it was already done this whole time

[rigid thicket]

If you can use offset analogs then it's basically the same.

[versed vigil]

I do unironically remember 1-2 votes for that, hence why I made the joke about “welp, they heard the 1-2 people who asked for that layout”.

[cursive helm]

It could be good for fps titles

[chrome kelp]

All that width and space and yet they couldn't do a 6 face button setup

[robust wedge]

Is that a 5:3 screen? It's gonna kill me if this has a screen I really want.

[coral valley]

I think they should have went with the Xbox layout but this isn't terrible

[random tulip]

I wouldn't care if they were lower on the face. That's my issue. Stagger them or not however you want. They're just high up there. And meant to be played with triggers

[cursive helm]

plot twist: theres 17 shoulder buttons

[ocean cedar]

other device is https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1339773221175824415

[versed vigil]

Looks like the same RP5 screen, but the other device looks like it has the AYANEO DMG screen instead of the Mini screen or the BlackBerry Q10 screen I remember recommending a while back.

[cursive helm]

doesnt look like a hinge looks like a vertical

[ocean cedar]

hence the ?

i didnt make it.

[cursive helm]

Like an "analogue pocket" competitor type device

[ocean cedar]

yep

thats what everyone is saying

8:7 screen ratio

[rigid thicket]

I do worry it's all a bit too high on the face, but the Steam Deck is basically at the top corners and is great.

[fluid stone]

two sticks on top is fun for games like katamari or ape escape or armored core where you're constantly using both sticks. I never like using a d-pad on the bottom for more than like quick menuing or something but for some reason, if the buttons are down there too I don't mind it

[robust wedge]

I actually kinda want a flip with the 1:1 720p screen. 👀

[vivid seal]

I don’t see a hinge on that other teaser handheld

[random tulip]

This is my FPS interactive region now

[cursive helm]

I want a portrait mode retroid flip

[random tulip]

Like holding a candy bar sideways

[versed vigil]

Yup, wanted to avoid making anyt assumptions since it looks a bit too vague for me to assume it’s a vertical or just a render of a clamshell.

[cursive helm]

have to see what they're doing with the devices rear end, its a make or break aspect of this concept

[sweet rune]

Trying to get answers lol

[robust wedge]

If that Zu isn't an emote it should be.

[icy bramble]

I doubt that any of the poll responses influenced this at all

[coral valley]

Probably not

[icy bramble]

If they did that's a little concerning because I could imagine it being like swapping in buttons that won't work with the shell or something lol

[versed vigil]

The fact it’s got the screen inside a box that seems cut off from the bottom controls makes it look like it’s either a clamshell with the hinge unshown, or that its got that as a deliberate style choice for a vertical.

[formal edge]

[wary pond]

i think the screen is 16:10 in the render

[blazing burrow]

[wary pond]

unless i cant measure

[urban jewel]

maybe both displays look taller than they really are in the render

[formal edge]

[wary pond]

probs depth

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-dark-side-palpatine-sith-gif-14304484953492859842

[calm oracle]

RH is doing what they do best

[pallid pilot]

Wow they actually changed it, I really didn't think they would

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-me-willem-dafoe-saturday-night-live-it-was-me-i-did-it-gif-25066224

[calm oracle]

It was all you

[random tulip]

The look won't. Maybe internals?

[calm oracle]

Zu willed the Flip 2 into existence with the help of the survey

[robust wedge]

Y'know, I just realized this is the 450v all over again. I wanted a 4" vert and they gave us that inflated thing, then I willed this into existence and in each case it's some monkey's paw shenanigans.

[teal yew]

Thank you Zu

[robust wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[jagged blade]

Rp1/2/2+

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-frogurt-cursed-thats-good-gif-17380527

[chilly karma]

https://x.com/forthenextlive/status/1890220775753519307?s=46

forthenext (@forthenextlive) on X

The Retroid device in the background also has a flip hinge?

X · Feb 14, 2025, 2:05 AM

[blazing burrow]

Yeaaaa buddy! Love that they are listening to feedback from the community on these things.

[random tulip]

I love how 2d that is

[calm oracle]

It was all us
We made this happen

[blazing burrow]

Duly noted: more community surveys 💪

[pallid pilot]

Watch it be a slider

[random tulip]

Button color change, an impact for all!

[jagged blade]

https://tenor.com/view/you-did-it-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-you-made-it-great-job-well-done-gif-21443346

[severe ridge]

what hinge? i dont see one at all

[formal latch]

Just be nice if they actually seemed like they mattered rather than being used for confirmation of "yeah, we got about 60-70% of the Market, good enough, release the announcement"

[blazing burrow]

GC was #1 voted

[versed vigil]

That’s what I was saying. I thought it looked weirdly like an early render of a clamshell instead of being a vertical. But I also didn’t want to really assume it was a clamshell.

[calm oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-we-did-it-poe-dameron-star-wars-we-did-it-mission-accomplished-gif-18219743

[random tulip]

Watch it not have buttons either. It's all touch

[jagged blade]

https://tenor.com/view/weallwin-gif-20878351

[versed vigil]

Also, this would probably be better in the #1339773221175824415 Channel.

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-chaos-the-pee-pee-po-poo-man-guilty-gear-gif-25384124

[jagged blade]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-kickflip-tobey-bird-kieran-culkin-saturday-night-live-doing-tricks-gif-23826420

[random tulip]

Need a second channel for celebration gifs

[jagged blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336037750889250960/1339693838025101382/IMG_7656.gif

[random tulip]

Fuck me. It's beautiful

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/we-spoke-it-into-existence-we-made-it-happen-we-manifested-it-we-spoke-it-into-reality-dj-khaled-gif-16168247

[jagged blade]

https://tenor.com/view/im-proud-of-you-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-15903585900511458533

[steady osprey]

Holy F***

[blazing burrow]

[mossy hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-bo-dallas-run-running-happy-gif-4751997

[left bobcat]

This definitely would have been my preference, control layout wise.

On a side note, that thing in the back appears to have a 1:1 screen >.>

[gentle badge]

cant' believe retroid lied to RH to their faces about this just like they did for the mini

twice in one year

[tacit latch]

I just want to take a moment to say

FUCK YEAH

that is all

[calm oracle]

FUCK YEAH

[blazing burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-who-hurt-you-gif-15501723

[proud shoal]

[gentle badge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gary-oldman-everyone-gif-14317847

[naive hollow]

Okay do we know specs

[gentle badge]

on the vertical no, on the flip I think it's safe to assume it's just an rp5 internally

[tropic surge]

pentium p3 chip

[naive hollow]

Oh there’s a vertical too?

[calm oracle]

I mean
My guess personally is more 865

[jagged blade]

OMG yes

[formal latch]

Why does Stubb's face fit so well on these...

[sage moat]

Y'all know what the buttons are like rp5?

[gentle badge]

yeah hiding off to the side in silhouette with a screen that certainly looks more square than 4:3...

[blazing burrow]

Rob likes to put my face on every gif in his library for some reason 😆

[viscid veldt]

I ask myself this question all the time 😅

[blazing burrow]

I'm sorry that happened

[versed vigil]

Because you expect AI faces already for an edit like this, so Stubbs looks more natural due to being AI.

[noble canyon]

This is joeys best day

Possibly better than wedding day

[tacit latch]

this is getting out of control

[blazing burrow]

W for the community today

[gentle badge]

just saying the screen on the vertical looks almost as tall as the screen on the flip if they're to scale.

and it looks more square than 4:3

[steady osprey]

Where is JOEY?!

[gentle badge]

so I'm guessing DMG oled

[steady osprey]

He must be creamin his pants

[versed vigil]

Yup, that’s what I’ve been assuming since it looks similar.

[sage moat]

1:1 or 8:7

Curious

[jagged blade]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-me-pick-me-up-kangaroo-baby-affectionate-gif-13790536

[blazing burrow]

Same, I wonder if 1:1

[steady osprey]

I'm thinking vertical 1:1 to take on the glorious RGB20SX

[sage moat]

Flip 2 render looks really good I'll probably get two 😍

[steady osprey]

Which makes sense that the Flip 2 is actually the X18S Uber Ultra 1337 Mark II

[sage moat]

Red woulda kicked as tho

[random tulip]

damn, the hinge breaking is a nice touch

should have added that

[calm oracle]

[sweet rune]

Big if true

[severe ridge]

we all know how well that went for taki, maybe dont

[wooden phoenix]

I care more about colors than placement. Really hoping for another watermelon. Or a transparent green

Couldn't care less about gc coloring. Ugly.

[cursive helm]

I would pay 300 dollars for clear orange right the hell now

[calm oracle]

If that's the case no one else should be taking credit for it either

[formal latch]

I'm the guy who always buys boring black... So I hope that's still an option 😅

[wooden phoenix]

Orange. Blue. Green. Red. Just give us some fun transparent color ways. And not frosted plastic like the flip 1. I wanna see internals.

[noble canyon]

In terms of size

[arctic timber]

I just want an all white with light gray buttons. Similar to TrimUI Brick's color scheme.

[formal latch]

Transparent black would also suffice 😛

[noble canyon]

It’s confirmed to be bigger than the flip

[arctic timber]

But +1 to transparent black as well. I could def go for that as well

[noble canyon]

But if this is 5.5 inches, it’s likely noticeably smaller than the x18s

[wooden phoenix]

I want transparent like the flip renders looked before they released the frost. The renders looked so much better than reality

[noble canyon]

It looks thinner and the bezels are a lot lot thinner

[jagged blade]

taki when to producing things for the community. I think it went well for him.

[arctic timber]

I wish they would have kept sliders though. I really like them over recessed sticks, but we'll see.

[cyan seal]

Please be OLED please be OLED

[noble canyon]

It’s most definitely the same display

[cyan seal]

Sweet 8 pound 9 ounce baby Jesus let it be OLED

[noble canyon]

Zero reason for them to change it

[calm oracle]

The product itself is definitely good
Just needed more help with the distribution aapect

[noble canyon]

Dimensions wise it’s def able to support 5.5 inches

[arctic timber]

I genuinely wish it was the SD 8g2.. but that's Ayn territory and they wouldn't dare to make a flip counterpart..

[blazing burrow]

Yeah his evolved form is bringing us some pretty neat stuff tbh

[cyan seal]

https://tenor.com/view/babyjesus-baby-jesus-gif-13170706

[arctic timber]

I'd even take the mini-led from o2mini if it meant sd8g2

[calm oracle]

My main concern right now is the price

[ocean cedar]

$229

Same as rp5

Would be my guess

[serene storm]

_>

[calm oracle]

RP5 is $215 isn't it?

[sweet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[cyan seal]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-ask-questions-just-consume-product-gif-26899054

[noble canyon]

It’ll be a bit pricier than 5 but nothing too much pricier

[ocean cedar]

$229 msrp

[jagged blade]

I mean if RH made the Legend. I would buy it

[noble canyon]

Not including tariffs

[calm oracle]

Sorry it's $219

[noble canyon]

230$ sounds about right

[ocean cedar]

Oh 230 is AliExpress price

[lunar stone]

Hmmm

[sharp narwhal]

$229 with a launch discount to $209 based on recent form

[ocean cedar]

$224*

[serene storm]

Aren’t we technically in spring already

[blazing burrow]

https://retrohandhelds.gg/retroid-pocket-flip-2-announced/

[serene storm]

Nvm that’s in Asia LMAO

[formal latch]

Does a clamshell require more complicated parts and development? Wouldn't that increase the price?

[calm oracle]

yeah

[lunar stone]

The hinge most likely will add to cost

[calm oracle]

The RP Flip was like $20 more than the RP3+

[lunar stone]

Especially you can reference their first Flip

[sweet rune]

I still want to see how small of an order we could get from that knockoff R36 company we saw at CES

Get like 200 and sell it for just enough to cover the shipping and handling

Just for shits and giggles

[lunar stone]

I wonder what the back of the device looks like

That doesn't look great to hold

[random tulip]

Yeah. That'll be the decider for me

[severe ridge]

im gonna assume flat

[lunar stone]

I thought it would be a instant buy because I been wanting a RP5 Flip

[severe ridge]

they learned their lesson not selling grips for the mini/5

[random tulip]

Or it's like the portal and they just rescaled the RP5 😆

[formal latch]

I'm gonna be honest, I'm probably going to order it now matter what the back looks like... 😅

[arctic timber]

It's kinda tough for me to justify $220ish (pre-shipping and tax) for these sd 865 handhelds when SD 8g2 is $80 more.

[lunar stone]

But man after seeing it....

[cursive helm]

rp mini for size

[noble canyon]

It comes at diminishing returns though

And for those 80$ extra you get a bulkier handheld with a worse screen and ghosting and input lag

[calm oracle]

But none of those are a clamshell

[random tulip]

Lol. Your edits are gonna fuck up so many late comers

[arctic timber]

I don't feel that way. My Sd888 duo 2 struggles on some PS2. I could only imagine the SD 865 would be even further constrained on some titles

[formal latch]

Hopefully the double d pads will help with that, and the broken hinge, but... Probably not

[arctic timber]

But that's what I'm saying, I want new sd 8g2 devices. Like this Flip 2 getting that chip would be a dream.

[random tulip]

Haha. Not if he covers the lower one with the mini 😆

[noble canyon]

It’s not gonna have a 8 gen 2

[arctic timber]

For now, I think o2 mini is the best if you want pocketable.

[noble canyon]

That’s probably going to be true next gen

I don’t think there’s enough ps2 games that don’t work on the rp5

From my experience

[lunar stone]

I wager it going to be the same exact specs as the RP5

[random tulip]

A clam RP5 would be a great pocketable tho

[noble canyon]

The games I couldn’t run on my 5 couldn’t run on my Odin 2 like final fantasy dirge of cerebrus

[arctic timber]

Have you tried Shadows of the Colossus or NFS Underground 2 on RP5? It's barely playable on my sd888

[noble canyon]

Sotc works fine on my rp5 I beat the first few colossus

[random tulip]

Mini is also $100 more. I'm really hoping this won't drop at $300

[noble canyon]

I think someone said that late-game there’s like one problematic titan but idk if it was on the 4 pro or 5

Because it’s not just specs it’s also android configs and cooling

[arctic timber]

Mini is $100 more, will prob drop to Odin 2 (regular) pricing soon which is $300.. that's $80 more than rp5

[noble canyon]

Your thing could be throttling or maybe it’s a settings issue

[versed vigil]

I can personally tell you that whatever games are struggling on the RP5 and Duo 2 are either in the very small group of “games that require nothing less than the Odin 2”, or the larger group of “games that not even the Odin 2 can play well”.

[noble canyon]

O2 mini has the vignetting on the screen and input lag problems alongside really bad thermals and battery

[wooden phoenix]

Totally agree with you. 100. I never had problems with the screen. I'm not a screen snob. Or some perceived input lag. But I know with the Odin 2 I don't have to compromise on anything. For 80 bucks. 😅

[noble canyon]

In exchange for some games running better and switch running better

Odin 2 is very good for those who really want it but i don’t really agree with the “this is overpriced you can drop 80 for a better chipset device” when it comes with compromises on its own

It’s up to personal preference

[wooden phoenix]

Where were the problems with the Odin 2? Not mini. I'll wait.

[arctic timber]

yeah, I feel like $80-$100 more for a sd 8g2 is just worth it for not having to mess around with frameskip, pal roms, etc. Just boot up and play

[noble canyon]

Bad ghosting and input lag

It’s pretty good at other stuff

[wooden phoenix]

For those sensitive to it. I couldn't see it until a video showed me.

[arctic timber]

every single handheld out there has a fault if you look for one

[wooden phoenix]

It's perfect at everything else. Lol

[versed vigil]

Shitty screen, input lag, and (this isn’t an issue with the Odin 2 specifically, just with people’s shilling for the thing) Switch emulation on it is overhyped to hell and back.

[noble canyon]

Also it’s not as portable as the 5 and isn’t really pocketable like the mini is and possibly the flip 2

[noble canyon]

Obviously

I never said 5 was perfect

I never said it was better but I’m saying that chipset isn’t everything

ESP once u get to like sd865+ assuming you aren’t actively looking for switch or winlator

[wooden phoenix]

I'll bow out. I'm not putting on kneepads for retroid. They don't pay my bills lol

[rigid thicket]

I just want a decent clamshell I can keep in my pocket everywhere 🥲

[versed vigil]

Yup, your kneepads are reserved for Ayn-only, right?

[noble canyon]

It’s kinda why anbernic never upgrades the h700 for their cheap devices

[arctic timber]

Not sure how much I'd trust the Flip 2, even though I love clamshells.. My Flip has a busted R2

[noble canyon]

Because it comes at diminishing returns and the h700 is very power efficient and has lots of software support

[arctic timber]

many had cracked hinges..

[vital belfry]

No screen protector needed..

[noble canyon]

Yea, ur gonna prolly have to wait for people to get their units before deciding

[vital belfry]

Just put it in your pocket and go

[lunar stone]

Honestly even thinking about my DS I think I'm going to stay away from hinge designs

[noble canyon]

Ik they fixed the hinges at a point but anything could happen over at retroid

[arctic timber]

Every chinese handheld is a gamble. I haven't seen many QC issues from Ayn devices. I think that extra $100 not only gets you more power but better QC and components

[noble canyon]

My Odin 2 had qa issues

The zr button was pretty squeaky and b button liked to stick down

I actually had two

One ran hotter than the other for some reason

[lunar stone]

I know these devices are made based on old handhelds but I would love a device that has a sliding screen like the BlackBerry Phones

[arctic timber]

Only hinges I can reliably count on are my old GBA SP and my Surface Duo.

[mystic void]

Dude

This thing is ugly as fuck lmao

[serene storm]

Input lag?

[lunar sand]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-spongebob-i-dont-need-it-sweat-gif-5031443

[mystic void]

I get it will probably be cool but my god does it visually look atrocious

[arctic timber]

Both my DS lites had hinge issues

[lunar stone]

Dude don't say that out loud, I was trying so hard

But yeah I hate how it looks haha

To be fair though

[noble canyon]

O2 has been tested to have a lot of native input lag compared to other android handhelds

[lunar stone]

Wasn't a fan of the first flip and how it looked either.

[noble canyon]

Alongside the o2 mini and rp4 pro/rp4

Rp5 and Rpmini have among some of the lowest, lower than most Linux handhelds iirc

[mystic void]

We got the motherfucking crimson chin handheld lmao

[versed vigil]

…Ok, I’m not gonna lie, I don’t see what that’s in reference to.

[lunar stone]

I think he is talking about the empty space under the controls

[serene storm]

In these “tests” the mini has less input lag than the lcd panels, and in real world scenarios it’s almost negligible to the average user. Having owned one

[mystic void]

The super big body underneath the controls

[lunar stone]

Like if they move the start and select buttons down there it might have looked a bit more balanced

[noble canyon]

When compared to the rp3+ which had okay input lag its true

But I knew the difference between Odin 2 and Rp5 kinda fast

Once I played a rhythm game

[serene storm]

Which is still not an Odin 2 mini lol

[noble canyon]

O2 mini iirc was tested the same for Odin 2

For input lag

[serene storm]

I don’t think you are remembering correctly

[steady osprey]

The 888 is Notorious for thermals, the 865 also has much better turnip driver support

[noble canyon]

I’m pretty confident o2 mini and og odin 2 both had input lag problems

[proud siren]

Looking closer, this boi gonna be thick (and I can see the stacked shoulders )

[versed vigil]

Last I remembered from the new test, it was the Odin 2 Portal that actually did better than most lcd’s, the mini only being in the same range as the LCD’s.

[steady osprey]

I am SOOOOO glad I don't notice input lag, ignorance is bliss

[serene storm]

The mini had lower scores from the “tests” that were being done

Than the LCD

[versed vigil]

Ok, now I need to hear what tests you’re talking about.

[serene storm]

the “tests” that Russ posted for his initial portal impressions

On Reddit

[steady osprey]

My O2 is flawless and I love it to bits

[noble canyon]

It doesn’t look that particularly thick

[steady osprey]

Buuuuuut it's not a clamshell lol

[noble canyon]

I don’t think it’ll be thicker than the og flip

[rustic tendon]

Peak controller design

[noble canyon]

The top looks a lot thinner

Could be camera angle

Also I noticed the hinge is better supported, it’s longer and covers the whole screen

[lunar stone]

The test for the device will be the hinge for sure

[proud siren]

With the cylinder hinge and indented sticks I can definitely see it being thicker (but I would love to be surprised)

[lunar stone]

Hope to heard good news about it

[noble canyon]

There’s confirmed no grip for it

[lunar stone]

Welp

[noble canyon]

On the bottom

Because it’s going to need the portability

[lunar stone]

Makes sense

[noble canyon]

But I don’t think you need a grip for a clamshell

[rigid thicket]

I fixed it.

[lunar stone]

^

[noble canyon]

Iirc even the og flip had good ergos

And this one seems to have better placements of the sticks/dpad and no sliders

Some other stuff I noticed is the power button is inside the device now

[night badger]

What if the smaller vertical is actually fpga? How wild would that be if they're going after chromatic

[steady osprey]

They bought out Game Bub!

[versed vigil]

Didn’t Russ admit those were using a method he didn’t really have experience with and even admitted someone else would probably do a better job of measuring the raw footage (that being why he linked a google doc to them? Like, he got way different results for the RP Mini than what Jaylash got, and they actually did work in lag testing.

[serene storm]

Jay worked in lag testing? Lol

[noble canyon]

Size wise this looks to be similar to a gpd xd plus. That had a 5 inch screen but huge bezels so a 5.5 inch screen makes sense, it also visually just looks about the same size even in terms of height and design

Jaybee is an input lag nerd

[serene storm]

That’s why I’m putting quotations around tests

[versed vigil]

Yeah, I remember they initially talked about it when they first gave their testing results for the RP Mini.

[noble canyon]

So he knows his stuff

Ik he found out quick that an update made the 4 pro suddenly gain a lot of input lag

[versed vigil]

Wait, just nerd?

[noble canyon]

Ok lemme reword that

[empty mesa]

is the smaller one a vertical or an sp style clamshell i cant tell

[rigid thicket]

You can't really properly benchmark input lag unless you use the same screens.
OLED has less screen latency so if they're testing based on screen action time it won't be a fair comparison.

[versed vigil]

Hang on, let me look back and find their initial post.

[noble canyon]

Jaybee is an input lag conspiracy schizo mega nerd!!!!

[versed vigil]

That’s actually true, the Odin 2 Portal does have the advantage of being the only 120hz device in that test.

[noble canyon]

It actually looks a little thinner than the gpd lol

[steady osprey]

It's going to be a loooong few months waiting for this to actually arrive

[blazing burrow]

And here I was considering letting go of my blue XD finally, now I just want to go play on it 😆

[noble canyon]

Yea

Gpd has 5 inches but the bezels are huge so it makes sense for the flip 2 to be the same size or slightly smaller with that extra half inch

I’m expecting 3ds xl size

With a little more thickness to cover the triggers

[steady osprey]

Yea the fairly thin bezels are sooooo sharp on this render

[rigid thicket]

Probably a bit smaller, the GPD Win Mini is 7in and the size of a 3DSXL.

[noble canyon]

Flip 1 was og 3ds size but slightly thicker

[steady osprey]

I just want it to be equal or smaller than my X18S

[noble canyon]

Chris early on confirmed it was pocketable I think

[steady osprey]

Shouldn't be too much to ask

[noble canyon]

This is def way smaller

X18s had a 5.5 inch with huge bezels

And had that thick fucking top

This top looks way smaller

They also don’t need more than 5000mah battery assuming its same screen and internals

Given that they can fit the internals on the mini and how they have more to work with to put inside the internals because they don’t need to account for screens but rather just the sticks maybe I could see the device being thinner than we think

[steady osprey]

And with Winlator coming along nicely this will be like my poor man's Win Mini

[noble canyon]

Yea lol

[proud siren]

Going by Retroid’s previous releases: preorders will start in April, shipping in June

[noble canyon]

Basically an rp mini but with a bigger screen and no more sticks fucking around ur pocket

[steady osprey]

Just in time for my birthday in July 😏

[noble canyon]

That’s not going to happen

[proud siren]

Why not

[noble canyon]

Pre orders will likely start late February and it’ll ship mid or late March

[serene storm]

??

[noble canyon]

They don’t spend that much time between releases

[steady osprey]

Wow that's optimistic

[noble canyon]

After announcement

[steady osprey]

This is just a render

[noble canyon]

Actually early March for pre orders I forgot it’s mid February

Not early

[serene storm]

Lol the “spring” date isn’t when they expect you to get your devices

[noble canyon]

Usually it takes them a week to announce the specs and pre order date

[serene storm]

[noble canyon]

Well it takes 1 month just to ship shit out so

[proud siren]

Even the RP4 had 45 days between preorders and shipping 🤷‍♂️

[steady osprey]

I think it is hopium overdose to think this ships next month

I would be THRILLED to be wrong haha

[noble canyon]

I don’t really have retroid announcement date to ship schedule memorized

I remembered it being obviously bad for the 5 because of delays

But I remembered it was fast for the 4

And the og flip

[proud siren]

The RP4 announcement was mid November in 2023, preorders opened in early December, and devices shipped late January.

So I’ll rescind my previous statement and say shipping in May “IF” everything goes well

[steady osprey]

As a Canadian, I still don't expect it before my birthday in July

[noble canyon]

Og rpmini got announced late August and shipped early October

Idk how tariffs would affect this

Maybe it’ll delay it

[steady osprey]

Ya gotta think they're chomping on the bit to get ahead of any worse tariff news

[noble canyon]

Yea

[steady osprey]

We are on the cusp of our hobby becoming cost prohibitive 😦

But I don't want to be a Debbie Downer after such good news 😁

[noble canyon]

The rp4 actually got announced December 11th and shipped out January 15th

Late March or early April isn’t like a crazy estimate for when to expect shipping to start

But they revealed the specs and pre orders kinda fast for the 4

[cursive helm]

I don't think it'll be that bad, lets imagine its 200 dollars, 10 percent of thats 20

[noble canyon]

It’ll be more than 200

The mini is 200, flip has parts that are pricier

It’ll cost more than the rp5

Probably 230$

[proud siren]

lol, saw someone on twitter disappointed it didn’t have a foldable screen.

[noble canyon]

I could see it costing the same just as a marketing point to cover tariffs

[noble canyon]

What

[proud siren]

You heard em Retroid! Get to it!

First $900 Retroid handheld lol

[true zodiac]

Those got binned by blackberry much like the previous clickwheel because mechanical failures were higher than were acceptable, the trackpad had far less failures and even that got moved on eventually.

[true zodiac]

That'd be the best option to get a modern take on the ds/3ds, but it is clearly years away when foldable aren't even down to mere flagship phones pricing yet let alone anything even slightly viable for a retro handheld.

[rustic tendon]

The promo render is missing the function button

[severe ridge]

i noticed theres only a home button too

maybe it runs on ios now

[steady osprey]

First Retroid running native Linux perhaps?

😏

[jagged blade]

That would be a huge L

[urban jewel]

retroid

roid
doesn't run android
ok lol

[noble canyon]

Linux only for vertical would be ideal if 1:1 tho

Pico-8

[versed vigil]

It’s not even 1:1.

Like, even in the image.

[noble canyon]

Oh

I thought it was I didn’t look at it much

https://x.com/forthenextlive/status/1890216576865239421?s=46

forthenext (@forthenextlive) on X

The new Retroid Pocket device has recessed analog sticks. I’m hoping the thickness of the base will be similar to these aftermarket Joycons by Yoniq:

X · Feb 14, 2025, 1:48 AM

[tacit gorge]

too early to say, but it kinda looks like the screen will sit at that weird angle again.

i have mixed feelings about this.
if they manage to fit the screen like that - awesome! but im sensing bigger bezels.

the sticks look like they don’t move much and that’s gonna be a problem.

their positioning is promising tho. it should allow a good grip. and you will need a good grip, because that big top screen is gonna be heavy.
how well that grip will feel and work ofc depends on the design of the back and triggers.

speakers look like they might get at least partially blocked by my palms.

[tacit gorge]

lol that seems about accurate.

[noble canyon]

I don’t think the speakers will get covered up like that

It’s closer to the middle compared to the 5

And it looks a bit taller than the 3ds so I think if you cup it the thumb won’t really touch the speaker

The sticks will be fine prolly but I’m more concerned about if the shoulder buttons will be awkward when doing certain angles

[magic kraken]

[urban jewel]

recessed joysticks are hot idc what anyone says

[blazing burrow]

I dig your analysis on this, I hope we don't have a Miyoo hinge situation either here, but having spent a lot of time with the GPD XD and PK X18, ergo wise we might be ok here. Speakers we'll see yeah. Stick you get that tradeoff, hopefully they allowed enough room for full movement.

[tacit gorge]

Also this corner looks like super fragile.

[limpid ledge]

I think this one I got a bit hope

[severe ridge]

well chris on the retroid server said he has a production sample in hand and the hinge is fine

[limpid ledge]

Because the price this one I know retroid doesn't want to repeat same mistake otherwise they wouldn't made second one

[limpid ledge]

Retroid is mostly do well in second attempt

But this one is their main challenge

[urban jewel]

I really hope the hinge is on top of the base this time around. It looks like it is but I'm sus

[tacit gorge]

i wasn’t pointing at the hinge actually. at least i tried not to lol.

that 90 degrees angle at the corner of the screen shell looks like it might break any second. the plastic is super thin.

[limpid ledge]

The price this one we are seeing big buck on this

[severe ridge]

oh yeah that needs rounded off a bit

[limpid ledge]

They won't make same mistakes again

Because this one is big buck

[tacit gorge]

lol i’ll believe it when i see it.

[limpid ledge]

I just deep it anbernic been quiet

So far

[limpid ledge]

Fingers crossed because I need this to work

I want this to be my first and ĺast retro handheld and I'm off to the sun forever

After getting ds , steam deck and switch 2 then I'm off 😭

[wary pond]

you still need a dsixl, wonderswan, ngpc, and deck 2 tho

[jagged blade]

I am not going to nick pick a render too much. I just hope they release some real pictures and specs soon. The tease shit Retroid does is annoying as hell to me. It’s something they picked up from taki and still haven’t dropped.

[tacit gorge]

no such thing as the perfect retro handheld. the quest will never end

[sage palm]

A general prefect one, yeah I agree. But perfect for a singular person's use case? Doable.

[limpid ledge]

I'm too young for wonderswan amd ngpc but for DSixl old enough 😭😭

[limpid ledge]

No no no 🤣🤣🥹

[sage palm]

A slightly upgraded in physical parts RG28XX would be my perfect out and about handheld for example.

I am curious about the Flip 2 using sticks over sliders.

Yeah sticks are generally better, but super deep-in sticks feel very off to me.

Really I wish more handhelds in general tried messing with 3DS style sliders more often. I might've really liked the Miyoo A30 more if it had a slider instead of a stick.

[weak fulcrum]

Lmaoo he will never be able to escape this meme

[candid sonnet]

But Taki DID work on RP3 and 3+ (actually also on RP2 and 2+) lol. He was a senior designer on them.

[tulip ocean]

Really disappointed they arent using the rp3 and rp mini screens in a ds style.

[candid sonnet]

Nah, I think everyone knew it's gonna be single screen, I'm also happy that Stubbs and Zu are giving us hints that the smaller one is also a flip device but smaller like SP, maybe finally we will have a better quality SP.

[glacial creek]

Just woke up. So is that a vertical in the background!

I am actually very excited if it is

[tulip ocean]

True, but its still my peak android device.

Personally if aya adapted the Pocket S into a flip device with the air or rp3 screen and the dmg or rp mini bottom screen then it would be the only android device i use.

Then theres one x player and sugar making an abomination that bastardizes a ds.

[candid sonnet]

it doesnt?

[blazing burrow]

Ah we're not sure yet, but seems likely since they've hinted at making one in the past

[glacial creek]

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347

[lost knoll]

well, every screen is a foldable screen... once

[candid sonnet]

We need to ask Joey xD

[sleek mesa]

as someone who owned the gpd xd plus and loved it im now laying down and screaming at another device of my dreams

except i don't see a dedicated back button on the front so it's like 99% there

[sweet shuttle]

This one looks like it uses analogue sticks rather than sliders

[candid sonnet]

which is an improvement

[blazing burrow]

Ah yeah for sure. I don't know if he has internal team contacts at Retroid anymore. He got to see an early concept for the flip 2, which is why he's been confident it's coming. They ended up making it, which is awesome!

He didn't see their other concepts as I understand it, the flip was an accidental leak from their mod team.

They've been playing it extra close to the vest since the leak was discovered.

I have 2 contacts im checking in with. I'll pass along any info I can!

[candid sonnet]

haha, I know, I was just trolling 😉 I knew you guys have better contacts at Retroid, do I remember correctly that RH started as Retroid's fanpage? But thanks Stubbs, much appreciated, I will wait for more info 🙂 quite excited to see what looks like 8:7 screen on the vertical device, looks like ayaneo pocket dmg killer.

[blazing burrow]

I appreciate you lol.

And yep! We started as Retroid's fan community, then branched out and they made their own space.

Yeah 8:7 would be rad!!!

[sweet shuttle]

Yeah, probably

[candid sonnet]

or is it really vertical I still think it could be Retroid Pocket Flip Mini, would be soooooo awesome

[sweet shuttle]

Still, I'd like to see a device with RP Flip's sliders, except with a much grittier texture, like what PSP has

[copper burrow]

At least 3 things are still a fact of life. Death, taxes, and people sensitive to input lag needing to shout it to everyone and their milkman 😄

On that note, morning!

[blazing burrow]

I would be ok with this 😂

[blazing burrow]

People have experienced input lag on android before?

(Please don't kill me internet)

[candid sonnet]

To be honest with you I never was a fan of sliders, didnt like them o PSP and 3DS, vita sticks even though they were quite bad they were an improvement anyway compared to those.

[copper burrow]

I swear it's a genetic trait that those sensitive to it are usually assholes in discussing it xD

[blazing burrow]

I've experienced it but it has to be pretty obvious for me to notice 😆

And then I use run ahead

[candid sonnet]

I think so many retro gamers got so much used to play on CRT that maybe it really bothers them (but at the same time they will kill someone not playing with the perfer integer scaling and square pixels lol)

[blazing burrow]

Not something I recall for the last few years of higher end releases, mostly

A few one offs were laggy

[severe ridge]

i played a lot on CRT as a kid and teen
modern android doesnt have enough input lag to care

unless your doing speed runs or tight romhacks

if 1-3 frames was the difference between you winning or losing on a "normal" game you were already too slow

[night badger]

Heh

[urban jewel]

if only

[stray dagger]

Would be horrid

Especially with the Wii U layout

Literally unusable d-pad and face buttons

[tulip ocean]

It wouldnt be THAT bad. Ds and 3ds arent much different and they arent terrible.

[blazing burrow]

Still looks like a cool concept

Might get pretty hot 🤔

[opaque harbor]

What is going on here?

[naive blade]

God why analogue sticks on top? Is this a mokey's paw thing?

It couldn't been perfect huh?

Why did they choose to go in this direction?

Top analogue sticks worked with the wii u really well, but that's because it was so big. This thing is going for portability. It's going to be awkward.

[wary pond]

when you game stream doom the dark age on this while sitting on the toilet, you'll see why sticks on the same plane rule

[limpid ledge]

It would work

[naive blade]

sure it would work

dpad on my 3ds also works, but it is less comfortable than my dsi's which is on top

it is a compromised experience

perfect for fps, compromised for anything else

[severe ridge]

thats exactly what i said lol, stick top stans won but got a monkey paw for it

good news is we got a proper controls inset so it will probly be fine

[vagrant wyvern]

One day this will come

[naive blade]

For real, all I would need to a dual screen odin 2

could replace both my n3dsxl and dsi xl

[noble canyon]

I mean the dpad looks very inset

And this device is a bit wider than the rpmini

[opaque harbor]

Is the devise design even finished or are people just jumping the gun?

[naive blade]

I hope it's not

[vagrant wyvern]

I'd be genuinely surprised if they were like "you know what, we just forgot to show the second screen on the render"

[severe ridge]

they repeatedly shot down a second screen in their discord today and always

nintendo has a patent on dual screen gaming devices

[vagrant wyvern]

Did they actually say the patent was the reason?

That sounds really weird

[severe ridge]

why would that be weird?

[naive blade]

but ayaneo did it

[vagrant wyvern]

Well I don't think Chinese companies generally care about Nintendo patents

And yeah, Ayaneo DS seems to do fine

[sage moat]

I think on flip it'll work it worked on the ds

3ds

But then again that was a slider 😮‍💨

[sage moat]

Damn

[naive blade]

and rp flip2 is an android device, not a handheld 🥰

[vagrant wyvern]

I guess, Retroid can add a GSM module and call this "technically an Android smartphone"

[severe ridge]

the 865 is a better chip than my phone id love that

[naive blade]

I call bullshit

[severe ridge]

go to retroids discord and tell chris that

[naive blade]

Well atleast switching stick positions is not off the table.. right??

[severe ridge]

considering chris said he already had device in hand

its probly off the table

[noble canyon]

Dual screens nice but it’ll make the device overpriced and it’ll cut into battery

And it could have some really really buggy software

[severe ridge]

dual for the 5 games that NEED it instead of the popular ds games like mario that dont lol

[noble canyon]

Lolll

And 5.5 inch already is very good for ds and 3ds

[severe ridge]

and i assume it will be touch as well

[noble canyon]

Touch screen shenanigans on the flip 2 won’t be great tho

So android gaming and some os navigation will be more annoying there than on the 5

So they can’t make the device too bottom heavy

[vagrant wyvern]

That's a massive exaggeration tbh

But mostly depends on what you want to play, ofc

[severe ridge]

im sure it will be fine, but ima wait for reviews this time, no preorder unless the deal is really great

[severe ridge]

yeah most of what people play, switching screens works just fine, theres really only a few games that really NEED both screens properly

i need to play the princess peach one tbh

[naive blade]

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[noble canyon]

Yea no dual screen

I think in a few years retroid will give in and do it

I think they’re gonna run out of ideas eventually

[limpid ledge]

You are deffo not getting no stick position

[severe ridge]

put your hopes in teh magicx ones instead

for ds

[noble canyon]

Cuz there’s not much they can do to improve the next gen outside of chip

And like, better ergos on the 5 ig

[vagrant wyvern]

I suppose it could be a thing if all you want is first party games (I don't really know about those), but otherwise hasn't been my experience

[noble canyon]

I think over time retroid gonna get more and more hyper specific

Like imagine them making a rg34xx with oled and a snapdragon lollll

[vagrant wyvern]

I guess if the patent thing is true, the first company to make an Android ds will need to have a large domestic market

Not sure if that's MagicX, tbh

[noble canyon]

Anbernic hit a gold mine with the 35xx sp so now they’re gonna try to make exact replicas of every Nintendo system

[vagrant wyvern]

Maybe Anbernic, but I think Anbernic lately rarely does anything meaningfully new until someone else does it first

[severe ridge]

if anbernic made a home console like a mini gamecube id buy it 😄

[limpid ledge]

It could be samsung 👀 or

[limpid ledge]

Anbernic would release less than last year now

[noble canyon]

Anbernic lately has been having actually good handhelds

[left turret]

agree

[noble canyon]

No serious duds last year which is good

I’m a rg nano defender through and through

[severe ridge]

the rg35xx 2024 edition was a dud

[noble canyon]

Oh yea

I forgot about that one

Let’s pretend that handheld never existed

[limpid ledge]

Rgcube situation

[noble canyon]

Terrible launch but good handheld

Kinda weird to do 1:1 aspect ratio without native pico-8 but w/e

[limpid ledge]

Overall tho not bad at all

[noble canyon]

Like I wouldn’t call the 4 pro a failure and that device had a terrible launch, same with the og flip

[limpid ledge]

Rp4 pro was bit bad like rgcube but not terrible it did well

But Og Flip that one was bad bad

[noble canyon]

Yea they fixed the issues after a month

Og flip had hinge gate and 4 pro had trigger gate

[severe ridge]

the rp4 changed the market and was a massive success?

[noble canyon]

After a few months all models no longer had the issue

And u were allowed to return them

After bad pr about the flip happened, over time it found a crazy cult following

Lots of people opened up to really loving it

4 pro is flawed regardless of its fixes but it was the first truly pocketable GameCube and ps2 machine

[limpid ledge]

Not massive success but the price point at the time 199 on d1100 was money

[copper burrow]

going to be a good few months of all the speculation with people losing their shit

[limpid ledge]

Remember ayaneo had similar chip but cost more at the time

[limpid ledge]

This

[noble canyon]

I’m pretty sure in terms of sales it did great

The flip was a flop regardless of the hinge

But hinge gate really deterred sales

And people really wanted the extra performance

[copper burrow]

as it turns out these hinges are difficult to get right

[noble canyon]

Flip has much better reputation nowadays and is much more sought after compared to before

[copper burrow]

so will be interesting if retroid unfucks it this time

[noble canyon]

They managed to fix it by just adding a tiny bit of extra reinforcement plastic

This hinge looks to be a lot lot longer

And I’m sure they really stress tested it this time

I’m not worried about the hinge it’s always some unique freak shit that happens

Like the rp mini screen scaling fiasco

[sweet shuttle]

I won't be getting the Flip because I have an RP5, but I don't see sticks on top being an issue for me. Unlike the RP5, the D-pad and face buttons are pushed a lot closer together, so swapping from one to the other should only really require moving your thumb rather than a total hand readjustment

[noble canyon]

Rp5 launched without any real big issues besides ig lackluster Linux builds

[copper burrow]

yeah the scaling thing is a bonkers issue, though i don't really use shaders or even retroarch on my mini

[noble canyon]

But flip 2 anything can happen

Yea it’s apparently a driver issue not an issue with the screen itself

So weird that it’s on the mini tho

[limpid ledge]

Also flip had some bloat battery

[noble canyon]

I think I heard about that

[sweet shuttle]

My immediate assumption is that SD 865 really isn't designed for small displays

[noble canyon]

That’s not the issue

It’s like on a kernel level

It’s software fixable from what was being told but yea so far not a lot of updates

But they recently got back from Chinese new year and announced some handhelds

[vagrant wyvern]

Eh, I think that's pure AliExpress fodder, probably works well for them

[sweet shuttle]

RP Mini seems to have flopped anyway unfortunately

There's just not much reason to get it instead of the RP5

[copper burrow]

i mean, far too soon to doomsay 'flopped away' huh?

[sweet shuttle]

I guess?

[copper burrow]

i agree rp5 is the better pick but its still the most powerful pocketable handheld out there, and oled

[sweet shuttle]

I don't think it's met expectations though

[limpid ledge]

The only thing it's flopped the price is close , screen was beautiful but small and andorid 10 but that one was crazy

[sweet shuttle]

Was Android 10 even really an issue? I thought the main reason you'd want 13 is for Switch emulation

[limpid ledge]

Not even but people was crying about it

[copper burrow]

price point i found very fair tbh

[limpid ledge]

Cough Cough Cough Dna mobile

[copper burrow]

but people cry about price all the time so 😄

[sweet shuttle]

Price is fine for what it is, it's just super close to RP5

[limpid ledge]

Exactly

[copper burrow]

Both are great value

[limpid ledge]

Plus the screen was small as well 3'7 was fine with the oled but

People wanted a 4 inch screen

[copper burrow]

people want many things 😄

[limpid ledge]

Retroid had a difficult situation especially when rg406h was around the corner

If retroid went to 480p compare to Rg406h screen people would bash it

[copper burrow]

people bash everything these days but yes 😄 hard situation

in most cases people will go retroid over anbernic anyday

[limpid ledge]

For once honestly retroid made a right decision with the oled

[limpid ledge]

True

[copper burrow]

i love mine 😄 btw @noble canyon i loved your mini battery life spreadsheet! tho im not really getting those results on mine

[naive blade]

retroid is better than anbernic but anbernic branches out more

You know what

I think I'll make a flip 2 out of paper and test out how comfortable this setup is

[warped leaf]

this is so sad

oh well

[naive blade]

maybe they made it this way because they took russ's opinion on "not being good for streaming" to heart with the rp5

[sweet shuttle]

Wait, what's the problem with streaming on RP5?

[copper burrow]

so sad how?

[sweet shuttle]

Not enough 14 year olds to ogle ig

[warped leaf]

layout ruins it for me

[copper burrow]

Ah, one of those 😄 well then

[tulip ocean]

Honestly, if it had 2 back buttons to map to whatever face buttons i want. Id prefer 2 top joysticks on these smaller handhelds.

Don't really know how they place it for comfort on a clamshell tho.

[naive blade]

Alright I made the cutout

it should be very close to the actual flip 2 in terms of size

Comparison between the flip2 and the n3ds xl:

this is their size compared

the flip2 is overall more pocketable

I tried out the buttons under the joystick and as I expected, it's completely alright to play like this, but it would be more comfortable if they were on the top

[opal zenith]

2screens Real or dont pleaseeee

[solid magnet]

Where you get flip 2 size from? I didn't see the dimensions listed.

[sweet shuttle]

Wait seriously?

I remember the original Flip being a bit bigger than the 3DS XL

[sweet shuttle]

Probably an approximation from the D-pad size

Since it's the same D-pad as the last few RP models

[naive blade]

I asumed the screen is 5.5 inches and went from there

[sweet shuttle]

Oh

[naive blade]

No? The original flip was almost the size of the original 3ds (if we dont count thickness)

[sweet shuttle]

Oh, I guess I was mistaken

RP Flip 2 use a lot more of the top half's real estate, too

[tired cypress]

Controversial opinion but I rather have online shoulders than stacked Triggers

Focus solely on pocketability

[echo seal]

I want this to be called Retroid Pocket Flip Zu!

[naive blade]

Do you guys think the odin 2 flip will happen at some point?

[opaque harbor]

Would need a Odin flip 1 first 😅

[naive blade]

that's the rp 2 flip

[mystic void]

Stick placement is pretty garbage

Here it looks like they actually tried with inset controls

[sweet shuttle]

Oh right

[mystic void]

That plus the flip 2s big chin should in theory make it much comfier

[sweet shuttle]

Yeah probably

Much closer placement to a real controller

Where the stuff on the bottom are pushed closer together

[naive blade]

fun fact: the 3ds xl's shell could technically house a 6.2 inch screen

which means an odin 2b flip is possible

[opaque harbor]

I suspect that would be a engineering knightmare

[night vessel]

That's not how screens work if you look at the inside shell

[naive blade]

uhh what?

[night vessel]

Most screens need more space inside than the outer screen

Nittrx got confused by the fake render with 2 screens😅

[naive blade]

I know, bit if 99% of phone manufacturers can pull this off then why can't handheld manufacturers do the same

[warped leaf]

cost and scale

[versed vigil]

No one tell them. I want to see how long it takes before they finally realize for themselves.

[naive blade]

depends on how premium they wanna keep their devices

worst case scenario they make it 6 inches

still really big

[limpid ledge]

LMAOOOOOO

Oiii

[candid sonnet]

I think Retroid needs to do the first dual screen android tablet with integrated controller am I right?

[limpid ledge]

Who send him that fake one

[jolly kayak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1ipa9vt/have_some_goddamn_faith/

Reddit mad

[arctic timber]

One thing is confirmed and that is that Flip 2 triggers will be bigger and not compatible with Flip 1

[rotund kelp]

when every other week, some new newb lore comes out that makes a whole device line look bad for no reason, yeah

[icy bramble]

#1336037750889250960 message
Uhhhh I don't think that sounds right

Nintendo's patents on dual screen devices in general should all be expired by now

Unless this is a very old post

[versed vigil]

They’ve already made clear that they don’t want to make a dual screen device because of how much more expensive it would make the thing. The patent is just an easier excuse since you don’t have to explain to people that adding an additional $20-$40 screen to what is already a $220 device will bring the price up to Ayn territory, and that’s too close for comfort on their part.

[naive blade]

Understandable

however they should 100% make variant with dpad and buttons uptop

How hard would that be?

[versed vigil]

They’d have to completely redesign not just the shell, but also the motherboard.

[serene storm]

the bottom row is inset, they are not going to flip the layout

[versed vigil]

And then they’d have to effectively sell 2 variants while knowing barely anyone will buy one of them, wasting a ton of resources on a design variant once again, to which they’ll start selling it for way less and stop manufacturing them, and then you’ll finally get reviewers going to bat for the less popular layout just because it’s now cheaper.

[serene storm]

This is best of both worlds for sure