Lenovo Legion Go 2

[long panther]

the legion go 2 and the g8+ idea are both valid

turns out weight distribution matters a fuck ton

[subtle shoal]

Yep that's why design engineers have high paying jobs

[glass flicker]

The weight is also less of an issue because there's a lot of situations where you can take the controls off and use the kickstand, none of the other handhelds have that option.

[worthy edge]

The weight of the og Go with the battery upgrade doesn't bother me

[spark robin]

I rarely play without it being at least angled on the Kickstand to be honest.

Makes a massive difference, and is rarely discussed.

[celest cove]

lenovo legion go gen 2

[proper quest]

Facts

[long panther]

this tbh

[spark robin]

[gray wyvern]

They finally cracked

[neon arrow]

Why is pikachu next to an Oompa Loompa

[glass flicker]

Apparently this was confirmed by Lenovo to not be showing up at computex whatsoever. Confusing because if it's going to be released this year I don't know why they wouldn't show it off...

[spark robin]

The Lenovo product manager (Ben) said on Reddit that it would be out around the same time of year as the Lego 1. So October/November ISH.

[gray wyvern]

That’s the rumor for the Ally 2 and the new MSI A8 ones as well

I wonder if the Z2E isn’t releasing until then

[spark robin]

Dunno.

Lenovo had a working prototype at computex.

Clearly, you don't make a working prototype and then take 10 months to ship to customers unless something unexpected occurred.

Who knows what it was, but something internal or external has delayed them.

[slender mountain]

I am guessing the OLED+VRR screen caused the delay

does that even exist at that size?

[gray wyvern]

We don’t know the SOC of the one in the prototype though

Good chance it could have been the main board off the OG Go or something

But yeah the display as well, it’s custom and takes some time to get going

[lapis dawn]

If it’s going to be that late might as well wait to see what AMD has cooking for next gen replacement for the regular HX370 ( which I’m kind of underwhelmed on anyway TBH and the Z2E will be relatively the same )

[spark robin]

The Go 2 will have the first OLED and vrr panel in that size ever.

[slender mountain]

I hope it is amazing

no screendoor effect, no flickering, good colors, no low brigthness color shifting, etc

[gray wyvern]

First OLED VRR panel under 17” IIRC

I have low hopes they deliver on it though

[spark robin]

I don't disagree to be honest. Onexplayer will have had their hx370 out for a year by the time this arrives. And I am also underwhelmed by the hx370.

Bigger reason to upgrade is if you really want the ergo/OLED/VRR honestly.

But you'll pay a lot for that.

[lapis dawn]

Only issue is how expensive the HX370 handheld have been so probably the same for whatever replaces that , the thing Z2E devices have going for them besides the easy returns is they are more budget friendly for the most part

[gray wyvern]

We’ve got no clue that holds up though

[spark robin]

Plus I am in the minority that likes the go 1's 1600p screen. Great for older games and upscaling emulation.

The Go 2 will "only" be 1200p.

[gray wyvern]

I’d wager the Z2E devices won’t be substantially less expensive then the HX counterparts

The Z1E Go S is like 829 or something

An Ally 2 or Claw A8 with 24GB/1TB will probably be in the $900 range and the Go 2 probably will clear $1k

[spark robin]

Probably a bit cheaper, but if it's like z1E Vs 7840u, not by much.

And given the large battery, OLED VRR screen etc....this thing isn't going budget anyway. It won't be under $1k, that's already been confirmed

[spark robin]

The big issue with all the new devices is the price of the legion go 1, Ally, and even the first Claw.

You can get them for half/a third of the price of the hx370's. And they play the same games to be honest.

[gray wyvern]

Yeah 100%

I think it’s a mistake these OEMs won’t be making twice. They will put out less product onto the market to sustain higher prices

The Claw and Ally flooded the market

[spring isle]

I thought OLED and VRR has flickering issues?

[gray wyvern]

It does, that’s why it’ll be difficult to work around it

[spring isle]

How did Lenovo resolve this issue when expensive tvs and monitors couldn't

[gray wyvern]

Doubt it is resolved

[stark ginkgo]

still torn on whether I'm down with 1200p

I'm so spoiled by my y700, macbook pro, and ipad pro

living that high res CRT shader life

[long panther]

1200p is literally perfect for the legion go

z1e wasn't really meant for 1600p anyway (indies and retro games aside)

but gotta be honest the 800p integer scale on the go is still very much tempting

800p for heavy 3d titles and 1600p for indies sounds like a great compromise

[proper quest]

Clearly haven't played older games at 1600p

[long panther]

I literally did mention that

[proper quest]

Not just retro games though

Dishonored for example I can run at 1600p and get high fps, wolfenstein the new order, monster hunter rise

[long panther]

I guess for that usecase it could be good, although old games mostly only go up to like 1080p most of the time no?

[proper quest]

I mean, not the ones I've played at least

[stark ginkgo]

indies and retro games are what these handhelds are for imo rather than playing poorly optimized aaa at 35-48fps with shader compilation stutters

plus if you are that kinda masochist a 1600p screen will look much better with sub-1080 resolutions - 800p -> 1600p will scale way cleaner than 800p -> 1200p

1200p is only better for games that run acceptable at 1200p exactly and no better

[long panther]

how do you explain the dpads then?

if they wanted us to play retro games on them

they would have given us better ones

most x86 handheldy are notorious for either having bad dpads or just okay ones like the steamdeck

[stark ginkgo]

I would say that's actually a major flaw in the x86 handheld space, but also I blame nintendo - the switch joycon has created the lowest bar of all time for indie game controls

[long panther]

I guess technically the legion go has the best dpad with the g8+

[glass flicker]

Pretty much why I go so hard on companies making these $600-$900 devices and slapping poor d-pads on them when their greatest asset and use case is indie games and retro

It's nice that they can play higher end stuff but just use your desktop for that and if you don't have one you should get that before a PC handheld

[spark robin]

I bought a legion go instead of a desktop, and I regret nothing

[glass flicker]

A few years ago I probably would have chastised you for that choice but AAA gaming is beyond horrendous

So you're not missing much

Well not to get too off topic but, developers will make their games according to the hardware that people possess and currently the low tier dedicated gpus like the 60 class has been very stagnant for a few generations now. This has a domino effect of allowing more and more stuff to be playable on these handhelds.

[spark robin]

And hopefully people will target switch 2, which might help.

But whatever, I completed cyberpunk on the legion go, and had a great time. Currently playing Baldurs gate 3.

I don't really feel like there are any games I want to play that wouldn't play on it at 800p.

If it does get to the point where AAA games stop working on a z1E....fine.

There's 1000 games already out that I want to play anyway

Hell, there's a 1000 games it can emulate that I want to play.

Plus I wait a few years until the major patches are out anyway.

I like to play the finished version of the game

[celest cove]

the wind whispers: tarrifffsssssssss

[spark robin]

Could be. Who knows.

[celest cove]

idk rly just hope they deliver this before it's too late

[spark robin]

No-one seems in a rush to sell z2E's. And the hx370 sales have been low in the west, judging from the igg's.

Feels like everyone is just sort of not that fussed on this gen

[celest cove]

eh

[worthy edge]

The Z1E is a hell of a chip in a lot of ways

[manic rune]

See, I'm not really interested in sitting at a desk to play video games. Just let me kick back on the couch - or on the screen porch enjoying the breeze - with a Legion Go, Steam Deck OLED, etc.

[stark ginkgo]

z2e won't do much for the aaa crowd

its main advantage will be for 3-4 year old aaa being able to run at 15w instead of 28w

at 28w I think it's a marginal improvement over z1e at 28w

[spark robin]

It'll get you 20% extraish FPS at full TDP. Or some more medium settings in your mix of low to medium settings for AAA.

But yes, it'll still only be like moving from a good 8 year old desktop to a good 7 year old desktop, or something. Which is fine is the next gen chip over the 8840u, but less fine given that it seems to cost $400 more than the 8840u at launch.

[manic rune]

So we're back to the "old" generation systems being too damned good.

[spark robin]

Yup. 6800u to 7840u didn't matter much, as the 6800u didn't have any big corpo players using it. And so they never got to Ally prices. To compete with the 7840u's.

This time around it's different.

[stark ginkgo]

yeah I figure z3e will be the meaningful jump if it gets any of the strix halo memory bandwidth stuff

basically if the strix halo 256 bit wide memory stuff makes it down to medusa point and then they do a z3e based on medusa point

and honestly upgrading my x86 handheld every two gens is fine by me

[spark robin]

Same. I am in no rush, and frankly it's a hassle I don't need to get rid of my legion go and all of it's 3d printed stuff, set everything up again the way I like.....

It does everything I want it to do really well.

[long panther]

I wish power efficiency would improve

[stark ginkgo]

I think we're gonna get that for the z2e - the hx370 at 15w performs like the 8840u at 28w

just the diminishing returns hit hard so by the time you crank the 370 to 28w you're only like 15% above the 8840u

there is the z2a coming as basically an overclocked deck apu for companies other than valve

if it's on a newer process node than the stoled apu it might be even better at low tdp

[long panther]

so there is a chance legion go battery life could double?

apparently people claim at max tdp it only has like 40 minutes of battery life

[subtle shoal]

For the 2? Yeah that'll hit double easily

[proper quest]

Yeah it's pretty bad lol

[spark robin]

Initially it was getting bad battery life, but Ayaneo issued a software update that made it better. I think it just gets what most handhelds with that chip and that battery size gets now. Well, a bit less because it's not magic and does run two screens.

[long panther]

ayaneo??

[spark robin]

Oh, sorry, ignore me, got confused as to which chat I was in

[stark ginkgo]

Depends on what tdp you run it at

It sounds like you could cap it at 15w and get similar performance to the go 1 at just over half the wattage

Plus it has a bigger battery this go around

[spark robin]

50% bigger battery as well, do not a minor change.

And maybe the OLED screen is more efficient, who knows.

[stark ginkgo]

yeah, more efficient chip, 50% bigger battery, more efficient display tech

my main concerns with the go 2 are that oled + vrr historically don't play well together and I would've preferred the higher res from the go 1, and price

[long panther]

1200p is still a really good display

It is subjective weather it is a better choice than 1600p

it would result in increased battery life

[lapis dawn]

I actually don't mind the reduction in res but can completely understand why some prefer 1600p

[spark robin]

To be fair, most people on the legion go discord to just seem to be playing whatever the new AAA is. Which would go well with a lower Res.

Meanwhile, there's me playing sonic CD at 5 TDP

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-cd-palmtree-panic-gif-4621316728090513895

[glass flicker]

Well the go 1 screen is also portrait, which is kind of an issue in my opinion

[stark ginkgo]

My biggest argument is that it’s only good if the lower res is something the game runs smoothly at - as soon as you are dropping to 900p or 800p or whatever to make the game run better you’re way better off with a 1600p screen over a 1200

1200 is only better than 1600 when running a game at exactly 1200p

[glass flicker]

If it was 1600p, landscape and vrr it would be goated

[spark robin]

Agreed.

[long panther]

Does 800p look better on the legion go than 1200p?

I've come to realize integer scaling matters a lot

720p looks great on my switch

while it looks absolutely awful on my 1080p monitor

[gray wyvern]

Native resolutions matter, also the PPI. 720p at 24” is a low lower then 720p at 6.3

[plush acorn]

Yeah lots of factors. Depends on game art style too. 800p with integer def looks better for pixel art games. But for 3D games you can see some of the blockiness. It does look a bit better than some non integer resolutions. But 1200p with lossless scaling or something would look better IMO

[lapis dawn]

Why is this taking forever to release ?

[stark ginkgo]

if you're on windows it'll take third party tools to make it actually integer scale instead of doing blurry bilinear stuff, if you're on a steamOS equivalent you just pick 'integer' under scaling in the quick access menu

I find it very funny valve added 'integer' to the deck scaling options

like what, you want to windowbox old 480p pc titles on the 800p deck?

I guess some old PC games are 1024x768

[gray wyvern]

Tariffs and the display

[stark ginkgo]

and there's no z2e available yet afaict

and it hasn't even been a full year since the gen 1

or wait

no

I'm off by a year

but yeah I expect it to release in october like the go 1 did

[gray wyvern]

Just at 2 years now since the Z1E officially launched

It was like July 12th or something when the Ally launched

[rose pier]

I hope we get more news on this soon

[glass flicker]

Probably news in August

[celest cove]

WHERE

[long panther]

This might become the ultimate portable machine

part handheld, part laptop, part tablet

the value is incredible

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-gif-27092095

[proper quest]

Onexplayer x1 does a better job of that tbh

[subtle shoal]

It can't remove its controls to just be a screen, so no

[long panther]

yeah also, 10 inch screen is not really a handheld anymore

too massive

[proper quest]

I think you're thinking about the g1, the x1 can

[subtle shoal]

Yeah I was thinking of the onexfly, nevermind

[proper quest]

Yeah, except 8.8 inches isn't very good for a laptop, I used the legion go as my main device for a semester and it sounds better in theory

Also lacks stylus support, so not very good at being a tablet

[long panther]

you could consider it a mini laptop

I don't think it's horrible

[subtle shoal]

The X1 is also $400 more expensive than what the go2 is expected to be

[proper quest]

Yeah, all I'm saying is lenovo doesn't do a very good job of capitalizing on the potential of the Legion go

No stylus support, and all keyboard accessories are community made

It's usable as a laptop but I wouldn't recommend it

[subtle shoal]

I agree with that

[versed goblet]

They mentioned on live stream they are expanding their accessory range for LeGo 2

But didnt say what those were

I would assume they hear people asking for keyboards and stylus

[high cypress]

Stylus support with a Lenovo Active Pen would be awesome on the Legion Go 2

[long panther]

if lenovo made an official keyboard attachment we would be living in heaven

[rose pier]

That would be an instant buy from me

I already use my Ally X as my all-in-one device but it's harder to use as a laptop replacement

If Lenovo does that keyboard accessory that'd be fantastic

[knotty bone]

Agreed! Could make it my full-time tablet too if they add that

[long panther]

now that I think of it, who said you needed to run the legion go in max preformance all the time? Apparently the legion go preforms about the same as the steamdeck at 15w tdp with a close battery life

around 2 hours of battery life

which means if you drop everything down to 800p it should have an okay battery life

and at 8w tdp it should still be a decent indie machine

at 5w tdp actually a great tablet for media consumption

as long as you're aware of it's limitations it should still be okay battery life

so you can actually use this thing as a low power consumption laptop and a high power mini pc when gaming on big screen

which means the legion go 2 is going to improve on that a lot, the only downgrade for low power gaming is the 1080p display

So perhaps we will be able to play most games at 1080p with like a 3 hour battery life

which would be really good imo

[long panther]

I don't think Lenovo's main target audience is retro gamers

so I think for most people 1200p is going to make more sense

[stark ginkgo]

I don't think the z1e can actually run worth a damn that low

below 10w the z1e loses to the steam deck

the z1e at 15w beats the deck at 15w and it can go beyond 15w obviously, but at low tdp the deck currently wins (I hope that changes with the z2e/z3e)

[worthy edge]

Big news, the screen protector is listed now! https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/accessorieslookup?partid=GXJ1R97823

Any movement is good, right?

Right?

https://tenor.com/view/cricket-chirps-gif-3571435

[long panther]

should be fine for ps1 and below

also, I said media consuption

the legion go beats out all other handhelds in that aspect

it's truly a multi functional lil machine

eeh

ps2 aswell?

is that a stretch at 5w tdp?

yeah I think so

I guess the legion go 2 should be a huge upgrade in terms of preformance per battery life

should get close to sd 865 preformance with like a 5 hour battery life

that would be amazing

[glass flicker]

September release

[manic rune]

My body is ready. My wallet might not quite be there yet.

[versed goblet]

I’m currently saving up for the Z1E Go S. but wondering if i should go the extra mile 😅

[proper quest]

How much you guys think this is going to cost? The windows z1e Go S costs $900, so this has to be 1k minimum, I'm going to say $1100

[versed goblet]

Yeah i think $1100 depends on sku’s though. Wonder if they will do a steamOS model 🤷🏻‍♂️

[gray wyvern]

I am thinking $1100 on the conservative side for 24GB/1TB and $1200 for 32GB/2TB

[long panther]

why is the go s so expensive?

[subtle shoal]

Why not? It's the same price as the current Ally X

While having a higher res screen and more RAM

[proper quest]

Used to be cheaper before tariffs hit

[long panther]

does it have the same battery life?

[proper quest]

Nope

Only 55whr

[long panther]

then clearly

it's not justified

[subtle shoal]

Price wise it's not a stretch conisdering the give an take with being better at two things and worse at one

I dont see why it wouldn't be

[long panther]

I haven't watched the russ video yet but 120 pixels extra vertical resolution isn't that much of an upgrade in my book

[subtle shoal]

ok I'll alert Lenovo about your book

[proper quest]

Main upgrade for the go s is just the extra 16gb of ram really

[rose pier]

I honestly hope so, would be amazing

[versed goblet]

Hopefully its not just a timed deal with steam 🙏

[gray wyvern]

And the 8” screen

[stark ginkgo]

8" 16:10 > 7" 16:9 with chonky bezels

I like the ally X but the screen is an easy one to beat them on imo

[manic rune]

It honestly sounds like it will be an amazing device - which is why I must have it. 🙃 . But the Go S (I have the Z2G model) is so comfortable, and the Z1E should take care of the lack of performance - so I think that'd also be a good choice.

[manic rune]

I would also give the edge on software updates to Asus, since Lenovo is super SLOW to push updates ... but yeah, the Go S (Z1E) is just an Ally X with better RAM, ergo, and screen ... and a smaller battery.

[versed goblet]

Sign up pages appearing on some global sites

[long panther]

peak is about to release in a few months

[sharp socket]

Any expected % performance increase?

I'm glad they are keeping detached controller. Have to keep something unique

[knotty bone]

(Is hoping for a stylus digitizer too, but I doubt that'll happen)

[long panther]

I believe the preformance increase is going to be minute, maybe like a 10-15% increase. But efficiency should improve a bunch.

Basically to steamdeck levels

[long panther]

that paired with the increased battery life should give us great handheld

original legion go is great

but it has absolutely horrible battery life

[worthy edge]

The new battery upgrades do a lot to help with that.

I am honestly not planning to upgrade until maybe LeGo 3? If they keep doing it.

[manic rune]

Give me the efficiency of a Deck OLED running older stuff, a large VRR OLED, and enough punch to run some modern stuff too and it might just be the perfect x86 handheld...

[long panther]

Vrr would be pretty amazing

Do any of the handhelds on the market offer vrr?

[gray wyvern]

ROG Ally, all MSI Claws, and the Legion Go S

[long panther]

Wow, og rog ally had vrr?

[gray wyvern]

Yeah

[long panther]

makes me wonder why the steamdeck oled didn't

especially since it's 90 hz

so you know

that kinda compromizes 60fps

[gray wyvern]

Because it’s OLED

The Go 2 will be the first VRR OLED display in a handheld size/form factor.

If it actually exists

[rose pier]

I mean let's hope it in fact ends up being VRR OLED

And they don't end up dropping VRR

[subtle shoal]

Dropping it after advertising it for so long would be nonsensical. That's just doomthink

[gray wyvern]

It’s not that nonsensical, the original project manager for the Go said it had VRR and swore up and down and it didn’t end up having it.

The technical hurdles for VRR on an OLED panel is not to be understated, there is a reason they are only just now appearing in laptops over the last year or so

[spring isle]

Original Legion Go says hi

[subtle shoal]

I'm not denying it is difficult to implement. Whether it was rescinded before or not doesn't make it any less stupid when it does get rescinded

[cyan totem]

I hope they get the weight down on this. If it is around the weight of other 8” devices (mid 700s grams) then it’s a buy for me

[long panther]

It's probably gonna be like 900 grams

very heavy but it shouldn't be too bad if you let it rest on your lap

[gray wyvern]

It’s gonna be over 1k I think

[cyan totem]

That’s more than a dollar per gram

[long panther]

as long as you let the weight sit on your lap it should be pretty comfortable to play with

just don't try to lift it for long periods of time

[hushed nymph]

Alternative: work out arms

[granite lance]

swiss army handheld

[long panther]

I think I'll be pulling the trigger on a y700 2022 until used legion go 2s get cheap on the market

original go's battery life is absolutely unacceptable

I would rather limit myself to android games and gamecube than play for only like an hour

[glass flicker]

Like a year and a half from now when Go 2s used get down to like $500-600 that's going to be an awesome time

There's always more performance and a better CPU around the corner, but the go 2 will at least have a larger battery, better ergonomics and controls, and an optimal screen

[rose pier]

I'm dying for news on this thing

[round abyss]

I am hyped for news on this as well. Now that I saw Z2E performance numbers my excitement has shriveled faster then jumping in an ice cold pool.

We knew mostly what to expect because of the Hx370 and the Z2E being that with its wings slightly clipped but I'm still disappointed.

Look forward to seeing the price on this and go from there

[manic rune]

The hype is for the screen.

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/george-costanza-seinfeld-pool-shrinkage-gif-3938364

[round abyss]

Well I want more than a good screen if I'm paying $1200 😉

[rose pier]

I mean if I'm getting a device that doesn't break in less than a year by itself apart from all those specs I'm golden lol

[stark ginkgo]

Then why downgrade from 1600 to 1200p?

[rustic sorrel]

because it's not actually a downgrade for gaming. Displaying 4k resolution for watching movies and all isn't hard... but rendering 4k resolution for 3d engines is a lot harder... if you have a native 4k screen resolution and run your games in 1080p (or 1200p) then you lose pixel accuracy making the 4k screen rather pointless (except for watching 4k movies).

and since there is basically 0% chance of running games at 4k on this hardware with decent framerates... the lower screen resolution is more than sufficient IMHO.

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-sky-walker-wrong-everything-every-word-was-wrong-gif-11966746

The major benefit for 1440/1600p (which isn’t 4k btw) is that you not only can run titles at native resolution it’s that you can also run titles at half resolution and integer scale it up. This is big for AAA titles that do not run well on handheld hardware and especially so since 720p/800p is common place in gaming. This means zero scaling is being done by the system and everything is pixel perfect even if it’s half res.

1080/1200p has no equivalent in gaming, games (modern ones) don’t have 540/600p options to render the game at and get pixel perfect scaling. The only option is running games natively at 1080/1200p or choosing to use a non-integer scaled resolution

1600p is the perfect ideal resolution for handheld gaming regardless of screen size. It gives you a vast selection of performance options from running native 1600p to running AAA at 800p.

Because the pixel density is also pretty high, you can sufficiently run 1080p with non-integer scaling on 1600p and get a much better image quality then non-integer scaled on 1080

[stark ginkgo]

Yeah 1200p is only better for titles that run acceptably at exactly 1080/1200p. as soon as you need to turn it down to 720/800 or can turn it up to 1440/1600 the old res is better.

And the latter would include every single 2d indie game on steam so…

[gray wyvern]

And high pixel density always is superior.

Scaling isn’t an issue like it is with 1080p. Running 720 or 900p on the Ally was visually fuzzy. But running 1080p on the Go wasn’t because it was a higher density to begin with.

And 1200p at 8.8” is gonna suck :/

[spring isle]

Technically you are right but for some reason 900p on Ally still looks better than 800p intergar or 900p on Legion Go 1

[gray wyvern]

I didn’t have the same experience having both, but it could be something to do with what assets a game chooses based on resolution

[spring isle]

I think its just integar scaling is more important for pixel games

But for 3D games rendering as closed to the native panel resolution is still better

[gray wyvern]

It’s really important for text as well

Native panel vs integer is the same. You will only notice the lower resolution assets

If you had two displays, 1600p and 800p both at the same size and played 800p on both they would be identical, if anything the 1600p one would be slightly sharper

[spring isle]

Yes but the fact is 900p non integar still looks sharper than 800p or 900p on a Go

Maybe its the screen size that makes it less sharp

900p on Ally i mean

[gray wyvern]

It could be the screensize and sharpness but I could never run 900p on my Ally. Everything was just too fuzzy around the edges

[gray wyvern]

Also too in windows integer scaling requires driver mods. Ok steamOS it works natively. So while you set the game and windows to 800p it could have still been using their crappy scaler

[spring isle]

AMD Andrediline has GPU scaling and integar scaling options

[spring isle]

Ive even made direct comparison of Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3 running on a Deck OLED at 720p pixel perfect Vs 900p on Ally just to test how much native pixel perfect matters for 3D games and the game looked sharper on the non native Ally

[plush acorn]

Scaling Schmaling. Me like oled. Oled good.

[glass flicker]

Go 1 screen is also portrait display

[plush acorn]

I mostly stick to games that can run at full res on pc handhelds. So 1200p is fine by me if it gets me oled in something with a bit better ppi than the deck oled.

In fact I’d rather not pay for z2e power but it is what it is

[stark ginkgo]

I wish microsoft would fix their shit with a proper window compositor so that wouldn't be an issue

with gamescope on bazzite/steamOS portrait vs landscape is significantly less relevant

[long panther]

taking into account that 800p would be great for this handheld I think It's a loss

but for normies

1200p is going to be better

I don't think the average legion go user wants to tinker with integer scaling

[rustic sorrel]

z2e isn't really more "powerful" though... really marginal power increase... it is more effecient though.

im still on the fence between Legion Go 2 vs ROG Flow Z13 (2025) with the 395 chip for my travel computing needs.

[long panther]

well the legion go 2 also doubles as a handheld

while the flow z13 is only a laptop and desktop hybrid

[rustic sorrel]

it's more of a tablet/laptop hybrid. The keyboard isn't attached to it. You can think of it as a more powerful MS surface pro.

The ryzen 395 chip it runs is currently the world's most powerful IGP. It's performance per watt metrics are out of this world, beating everything on the market right now. Better efficiency than the Z1E, Z2E, HX370 etc.

You can get it with up to 128GB ram and it uses the new unified ram architecture... so you can dedicate as much as 96GB to the GPU allowing you to run some 70B LLM Datasets (If you are into AI Stuff).

The downsides is that it is rather fking expensive... even so... it's still sold out worldwide. Blame the scalpers. My contacts tell me they can get me a set anytime I want if I pay the scalpers markup... around 50% more! The scalpers themselves are working in Asus factories in taiwan... so they can siphon off some units before they even get shipped out. Pretty much guarantees even lower supply in the open global marketplace.

[cyan totem]

I agree, 900p ALWAYS looks better than 720p even if the 720p is pixel perfect for the screen. I just never agreed with the opposite claim here

[stark ginkgo]

That’s fine but 900p on a 1600p screen will always look better than 900p on a 1200p screen

[long panther]

why would you ever need 128gbs?

720p on switch oled looks amazing though

sure u can see the pixels but it only if you concentrate

[rustic sorrel]

AI Stuff running locally

instead of on the "cloud"

this is only useful to people who work with AI LLMs... if you have no idea what im talking about.. its not useful to you.

[leaden onyx]

Disgusting

Integer scaling

Is good

[rustic sorrel]

I'll expand on this a bit more.... this is for running something like "ChatGPT" or "Deepseek" locally on your machine instead of the cloud... why the f would anyone want to do that?

Well for privacy... for example i can run an AI that processes voice commands for my local smart home voice assistant. But wait.. doesn't google home and apple home kit already do that too? YES and they also record everything you ever said in their database to use for voice analysis or whatever they feel like using it for. And who knows what they will use it for in the future?

Other uses... as a programmer.. it can write code for me... bad code usually but its easier/faster to fix bad code then to write it from scratch 😛

[leaden onyx]

It's just privacy you can code with deepsek

[rustic sorrel]

Indeed the debate of "Cloud" vs "Local" is entirely hinged on privacy.. and what cloud services might do with your data.

So anyway I'm waiting patiently for the Legion Go 2... so I can benchmark if I can get by using this as my primary travel computer. A lot depends on how badly it runs UE5 editor which I need for work. 🙂

A maxed out spec Flow Z13 will likely cost me 3x more than a maxed out spec Go 2 (32GB + 4TB).

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, I'm conflicted on this one. Love my OLED screens, but I'd go for a 1600p screen any day of the week.

I'd have kept the Legion Go v1 all the live long day but found out I needed 32GB of RAM. Also using it as a portable windows machine for some things in dev and 16GB isn't enough unfortunately.

[glass flicker]

Apparently the legion go 1 hasn't had driver updates since January, something to take note of if you're interested in the go 2

[high cypress]

I always play in the lowest resolution because I want to maximize the battery life with the Go 1

So I'll definitely take the Go 2, idc much about going with a Full HD res

[long panther]

if you worked for lenovo and you could personally choose would you pick a 1200p oled panel or the same 1600p ips that was in the original go?

[proper quest]

1200p oled

The 1600p screen is great but oled would be even better

[leaden onyx]

The only thing that matters

You aren't playing games at 1200p

Run them at 800p and integer scale

[proper quest]

1200p on my legion go usually looks better than 800p

[stark ginkgo]

1600p ips for sure

I have that screen in the y700 and it’s amazing

[long panther]

Now that I think of it. I should probably compare my y700 to my switch oled to see which one looks better

[stark ginkgo]

1440 is where crt shaders start to get really good imo

[long panther]

Do you ever find yourself using bfi?

I tried it, image got dark, flickering started happening

didn't really seem worth it

but that may just be cause 120hz displays dont display 120hz constantly

sometimes it's like 119.97hz

[stark ginkgo]

I haven’t messed with bfi

On a 120hz screen even if it works perfectly you’re cutting your brightness in half

And my most used 120hz screen for retro gaming is already fast enough (m4 iPad Pro OLED)

If I had a 180hz handheld so I could do 1/3rd of frames black rather than half that might be cool but then I’d be concerned about battery consumption. At that high res you might be better off with a beam sim shader anyway

[long panther]

would 1 frame every 3rd frame actually work well?

only heard about bfi with 1 frame every 2 frames

[stark ginkgo]

It should do the same thing (a “blink” between each game frame to prevent persistence) just a shorter blank period would cost you less brightness

However most 180hz+ screens should be fast enough to not need it and the beam sim stuff would probably be better at 180+ refresh anyway

[leaden onyx]

But it's not between every frame it's every 2

[stark ginkgo]

every game frame

60 times per second you're still getting one black frame and the same game frame twice

instead of one black frame and one game frame

[glass flicker]

1600p OLED landscape VRR 144hz

Never settle

Hope one day we get it

[leaden onyx]

Super SP!!!!

[long panther]

I've been debating so long to get a steamdeck oled

incredible battery life

but that 800p kinda stings

It's really good for pc games

but for emulation I think just for the sake of uneven pixel scaling 800p is lack luster

[long panther]

rog ally x is obviously out of my price range, and the screen is generally just okay

bad viweing angles

but it's pretty good I guess

nowhere near as good looking as the steamdeck oled screen

And I wouldn't even consider any other optiobs since anything ayaneo or gpd or whatever is way more expensive than anything from these big names

[leaden onyx]

Orange pi neo?

[gray wyvern]

It sucks if you decide you want to stream games from online or your pc as well

[high cypress]

1200p OLED
Full HD res it's still ok but OLED is lesser energy-consumer
With a Handheld console, battery life is quite important, especially if you are often out

[long panther]

doesn't oled only make a difference with black pixels when it comes to battery life?

[round abyss]

Yeah the difference when displaying a full color set like a game wont matter much at the end of the day OLED vs LCD . When a Device is pulling down 30w vs 32w because one has a slightly better efficiency we are talking a couple minutes of battery life at best.

[gray wyvern]

Don’t count on less power consumption if it’s got VRR. That’s one of the issues is that power consumption goes way way up

[high cypress]

I won't use VRR because i mainly play retrogames so it's fine

And also the Z2 Extreme processor has a better efficiency as well

[round abyss]

Yeah we shall see once we can see all these devices and TSP (total system power) draw. All the efficiency claims don't mean squat till we see the numbers

[gray wyvern]

Agreed

I’m still not convinced they managed OLED VRR, they’ve been awfully quiet lately lol

[round abyss]

I've been feeling the same way. Way to quiet and it's coming soon.

September supposed and not a peep, the press knows absolutely nothing still beyond what they were first shown

I'm also curious what the price point will be. If something like the MSI claw A8 AMD model will be close to $1000 how much will the legion go be with a VRR OLED panel

Apparently there will be 2 models. One with the rebranded Z1E chip so I'm going to imagine the Z2E model they will stick it to us hard

[gray wyvern]

I’m thinking it’ll be 1200 for the Z2E one

[round abyss]

I've been thinking the same. $899 for Z1E rebrand 16gb and Z2E 32gb $1200

[gray wyvern]

I’ll be surprised if they do a 16GB Z2 (Z1E) model.

They seem to be speccing those as 32GB to raise the prices. At least that’s what they do with the mainstream Go S models

[round abyss]

Yeah it may be 32gb but a lesser chip and lower storage with the OLED screen to have a "value" model

Seeing Microsoft/Asus new models coming for the Ally Xbox with a budget model and high end I think this might be common practice moving forward.

Like the Go S models you mentioned having a similar structure

[hushed nymph]

Anyone know if this new Legion has Lenovo's Tgx(Oculink) port?

[gray wyvern]

It won’t

[manic spindle]

This guy already got his hands on a Legion Go 2 engineering sample. He confirmed the display panel is a native landscape VRR OLED made by Samsung and weighs 938 grams.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1t1gBzaEPK/

Size and max brightness comparison with Switch 2 and Redmagic Astra

[hearty thicket]

74wh battery woo

anything more than a 50ish wh battery is great!!

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

The one true display exists

Wonder if this will be @plush acorn ‘s one and done 😅

Astra def looks brighter

Unless its just getting a blue tone at an angle

[rustic sorrel]

not gonna lie.. this video increased my interest and hype. 🙂

just waiting on the "price shock" announcement now...

[versed goblet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegionGo/s/GmSH7JJprs

Looks like they were clearing dev units out

[rustic sorrel]

i mean its good to see people actually playing games on the OLED VRR because at CES in Jan they wouldn't let people run any games on the demo sets.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15VgzzVEzW/

[gray wyvern]

It looks good, super glad to hear they figured out OLED/VRR on a handheld. Hopefully the price isn’t totally insane

The split battery is a really great way to handle that, single fan still sucks though especially if it’s those whiny units they’ve been using

[long panther]

what's the weight tablet only and with controls?

any into on it as of now?

[manic spindle]

938g with controllers, 725g without

If there is one thing to nitpick about this Samsung OLED screen, is that it only has 480Hz PWM dimming, the same as the iPhone 16 and S25 Ultra, which is not that great for people whose eyes are sensitive to flickering

[plush acorn]

Idk. Remains to be seen. Still heavy and probably pricey. We will see.

[plush acorn]

The Astra is a pretty bright screen. I think paper says 1600nits. Can’t actually tell if that’s true but it is very bright.

I’m kinda annoyed at how rounded the Astra screen corners are

[gray wyvern]

480hz PWM at 144hz is going to be awful. Most people gonna cap at 120hz to reduce flickering

[long panther]

damn, I've excepted worse

not that bad

[versed goblet]

Be funny if this comes out before the Go S Z1E is even in stock in UK. Still waiting to click buy button on that

[faint loom]

in germany its available now. Just saw it in their online shop

[versed goblet]

Ahh can’t get Z1E version anywhere in UK 🤦‍♂️

[glass flicker]

https://youtu.be/xOcx6sUYl6M

It seems like they really have nailed the OLED VRR screen

[subtle shoal]

The texture on those joycons looks horrible, that better not be final

[glass flicker]

I think it's pretty common for pre-production units to have a different type of plastic

[leaden onyx]

OLED VRR

Switch 2 mfs in shambles

[gray wyvern]

No clue what the two have to do with each other lol

[leaden onyx]

It's vrr but not oled

[gray wyvern]

This thing is gonna be nearly 3x the price

[leaden onyx]

Got a ton of other stuff too

[glass flicker]

I hope they make a Z2 model along with the Z2E and maybe that one can be $800

[gray wyvern]

It’s exciting to see VRR OLED on a handheld, but the downsides with flicker and PWM issues are going to be a huge hurdle

[glass flicker]

This is my copium

Greatest thing about this, it'll push the other companies to innovate or improve their screens perhaps in a similar way in the next generation

[gray wyvern]

If I were guess, you are going to want to lock this thing to a specific framerate and use vsync to prevent the flickering

Nice thing about it being VRR is that like the SteamDeck you should be able to choose whatever hz and it’ll sync up at least in SteamOS

[glass flicker]

Apparently the panel is by Samsung, I wonder if the other companies will be able to use it if they wanted to

[gray wyvern]

I’d wager Lenovo has some sort of exclusivity at least for a period

[glass flicker]

Most likely yeah

[gray wyvern]

And that’s if anyone else wants to use it

The size, cost, and downsides could outweigh just an ARR OLED panel like the deck

[manic rune]

I'm going to try it out at least. I said I'd buy one if they somehow put a VRR OLED panel on and it seems that they have done just that.

[versed goblet]

It is confirmed by Lenovo PR guy on reddit. Its not final

[subtle shoal]

Good

[subtle shoal]

Nice

[versed goblet]

I would say the same. Alldocube has only just started using the Y700 Gen 1, 2, 3 screen on the ultra. Gen 4 has a brand new screen. So i think they do have exclusivity deals on these parts

Didn’t I see Gamma managed to mitigate the PWM issue on the RG557. I don’t know enough about these things. But seems like there are ways around it. Personally not that sensitive to it.

[subtle shoal]

Yeah he just used a standard DC dimming app from the app store

It puts a an incrementally darker black filter on the display rather than lowering the actual brightnessbut since oleds turn off black pixels anywa it's the same effect without the pwm

[plush acorn]

Those things do reduce the color bit depth though since you’re wasting values by trimming the total amount of steps with a darkness filter. Depends on the scene but banding in colors can become a lot more obvious

[hoary gorge]

Impressive specs, finally a larger battery for lenovo.
OLED + VRR will be interesting, hopefully no VRR flicker in dark scenes on framerate fluctuations. Price will probably be around $1000 for the Z2E version I fear.

Honestly the ergonomics also look better, I wish they would release a symmetrical controller version. That FPS mode gimmick (while some may use it) is not for me - I want the back buttons to be the same on both sides and on the back only.
If I really want to play a shooter I would just play docked with kbm or go full controller, this in between mode is what holds the device back the most imo.

[rose pier]

Yeah I agree I dislike the asymmetrical controller design

Because I'll probably never use FPS mode

[worthy edge]

I just want more deets on the D-pad.

If that D-pad is really a Sega-style disc d-pad, I'll be replacing my left side controller immediately.

It's literally the only upgrade my Go 1 needs.

[subtle shoal]

Every single visual instance of seeing the device has shown that it does have the disc Dpad, no reason to believe it won't at this point.

[stark ginkgo]

Yeah but will it actually pivot/feel like one or will it be super short travel and clicky or something

[gray wyvern]

It’ll probably implement the worlds greatest dpad

[plush acorn]

It looks like the go s dpad

Which is…. Ok.

[worthy edge]

This is what I mean.

I have a left Go 1 controller with the XBox Dpad mod, and while it is better, it is MILES away from a Sega d-pad.

[plush acorn]

I don’t know what it means to be a sega style dpad really. But it’s just like… a regular membrane dpad that happens to have segments between the cross.

[subtle shoal]

Nothing can possibly be worse than the Go 1's dpad so anything's an improvement

[glass flicker]

I can't imagine it's a different d-pad from the Go S

Looks similar, so check reviews on that

[stark ginkgo]

Yeah that basically describes the ally X dpad

Which is good for x86 handheld standards but mid for retro handheld standards and way worse than the holy grail of the 8bitdo m30 or gulikit elves 2

[worthy edge]

8bitdo m30 or Sega Saturn controller is the ideal

I hadn't heard of the Gulikit Elves 2 but now looking at it I am so freaking pissed off

It's everything I want in a controller

EXCEPT THEY DIDN'T DO THE 6 FACE BUTTONS!

I would have ordered it literally RIGHT NOW

60 secs ago I didn't even know this thing existed, and now my BP has spiked 30 pts

[void niche]

I had also never heard of the Gulikit Elves. But I actually had the exact opposite reaction. I love the Sega-style d-pad, but don't really care about the 6-button layout, so I just ordered one.

[leaden onyx]

The world's best dpad is the 8bitdo ultimate 2c

[teal epoch]

Jeeeez, that’s pretty damn heavy

38.3% heavier than an Ally X

~10% heavier than the LeGo

[stark ginkgo]

For me the whole point of the elves 2 is that it gives me the sega dpad on a more “normal” control layout for ps1, snes, indie games, etc

When I want to play Sega games with a 6 button I grab the m30

[worthy edge]

It just seems like every controller misses something. If it's not missing the 6 face buttons, it's missing sticks. If it's got sticks, it's missing gyro. If it's got gyro, it's missing analog triggers. If it's got analog triggers, it's missing BT and requires a stupid dongle

Basically, the entire controller industry is Anbernic

[rose pier]

Was the Go 2 confirmed to have hall effect sticks?

[glass flicker]

Pretty sure the Go 1 has them so the 2 definitely will

[leaden onyx]

Flygdigi Vader 4 pro

[leaden onyx]

And no, up until like a minute ago that wasn't even software possible

[worthy edge]

That's my current controller

The dpad is loud AF though

[worthy edge]

What are you referring to with this comment? I thought about it for a while and I'm still not sure.

[leaden onyx]

Steaminput

[leaden onyx]

Ultimate 2c is the best dpad

[worthy edge]

What about Steaminput?

[leaden onyx]

Vader 4 pro didn't have it

No third party did

[worthy edge]

Oh. It always just worked for me.

You're saying something changed?

[leaden onyx]

Are the 6 buttons even exposed to emulators?

[worthy edge]

I have mine set so that they do L3/R3, so yes.

I set it that way when I updated the firmware out of the box so I just wouldn't have to worry about it.

Found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/1l8424h/new_steam_client_beta_update_adds_full_steam/

I'll have to try it out tonight.

[leaden onyx]

yup that's waht i was talking about

[worthy edge]

I don't wanna say I told you so but benchmarks on the Z2E chip are coming out now, and my long standing comments about the Go 1 having 2/3 or even 3/4 of the perf of the Z2E but at less than half the price are proving to be accurate. All the users who finally decided to buy the Go 1 units that were showing up in the marketplace for ludicrously cheap prices are gonna be happy campers!

[gray wyvern]

Did anyone expect anything beyond a 15% improvement? Like what was the expectation lol

10-15% at maximum wattages and 20-40% (so far limited tests) at 12-17w and 80% at 10w

[worthy edge]

I'm just saying that at current market prices the Go 1 has basically become the ultimate value proposition. It's the craziest confluence of aftermarket mods, timing, and current selling prices.

[gray wyvern]

It’s still got trash fans, trash speakers, trash battery unless you do a marginally risky mod, and the most uncomfortable handling of any handheld.

It’s still not something I would recommend to people over an Ally unless they know they will use it on the kickstand and that is super important to them.

[worthy edge]

I guess I am just lucky with mine. Fans silent, speakers fine battery mod was reasonably easy. Multiple units have sold on marketplace recently for 400-450, many already modded

If the choice is 450 for a fully modded Go 1 vs 1K+ for the Go 2 for incremental perf gain, that's an easy choice imo

[subtle shoal]

Gains will slowly creep further upwards as optimized drivers pop up over time I'm sure these aren't final numbers. It still won't be huge tho

[worthy edge]

I am interested in seeing reviews on the Go 2 dpad though

The reputation a few people have for the battery mod is weird for me. I personally know 3 people besides myself who did the mod and none of them had major issues.

[rose pier]

I mostly want to know how's the build quality, I don't know if many issues have appeared in the Go 1

[long panther]

how much do we know about the efficiency increase?

[plush acorn]

Haven’t we known for a while z2g is essentially oem hx370? We’ve known the performance differences for several months already.

I think oled and ergonomics are bigger interest points. Whether that and 15-20% bump in fps is worth the price is an individual preference choice.

[round abyss]

Yeah the Z2E performance was a forgone conclusion based on current available tech. The only mystery is the price.

[proper quest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegionGo/s/fXx37Vqp6y

Well we can see how they're fitting the bigger battery

[gray wyvern]

Preach

[plush acorn]

go 2 controllers on go 1 look a little wonky

taller

I think I might still be interested in getting one if the price isn't too astronomical and the fan noise isn't too bad.

But now that I have the redmagic astra my oled thirst is a bit quenched

Maybe I can just get the controllers and make some wonky 3d print to attach them to the astra

[stark ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/laink-gif-22340457

that wedge

[hoary gorge]

"I am once again asking for symmetrical attachable controllers"
should be a meme at this point

[long panther]

never gonna happen

the switch has been out for 8 years and noone dared to make a symmetrical joycon

doubt it's going to be any different for lenovo

[stark ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/tight-smile-cat-cat-tight-smile-wide-smile-cat-cat-wide-smile-cat-gif-12207868737982701324

[glass flicker]

I think symmetrical is better too but I've just accepted that I'm part of a minority

[cyan totem]

The weight on this thing is killing it for me, seems like a perfect device beyond that

[long panther]

just rest the device on your lap

it fixes the weight ossue

it limits the positions you can take

but it does work well

[rose pier]

As a person that sits all day in a desk for work and just wants to lay in bed and play it is a big drawback for me tbh, I don't want to get wrist and hand pain

[glass flicker]

I like to set a pillow on my chest and rest the handheld on the pillow

Alternatively you can buy a tablet holder stand, and put the tablet section of the Legion go in that and detach the controls or use another controller

I like to use this one - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CSFZZ5D5?ref_=ppx_hzod_title_dt_b_fed_asin_title_0_0

Mainly because the base has some actual weight to it

It's also on sale at the moment

[plush acorn]

I always rested the legion go on something when I had it

Strictly handheld it's too heavy imo, but using the Kickstand to support it or using the controllers detached can be lighter than other actually lighter handhelds.

[stark ginkgo]

Wild to me the NSO+ emulation stuff exists and we still never got dpad top joycons for it

[long panther]

Sad reality of a retro gamer

[hoary gorge]

I should have been more clear, I meant the back buttons by getting rid of the stupid FPS mode gimmick

for modern PC handhelds I do not expect one with d-pad up top to be fair

[stark ginkgo]

I thought we did get one that was dpad top

Zotac zone maybe?

Yeah

I guess the steam deck is dpad top too technically

[hoary gorge]

oh right, yeah I forgot about that one

[gray wyvern]

So did Zotac

[hoary gorge]

probably yeah

honestly the smaller brands don't seem to be able to compete very well in markets with ASUS, Lenovo, MSI, etc.

[void niche]

Yeah, there are lots of solutions. If I'm going to be playing for more than half an hour or so, I'll usually detach.

I have one of these on my bedside table.

https://www.amazon.com/Lamicall-Gooseneck-Adjustable-Rotating-4-7-12-9/dp/B089KLNK8F

The ability to position the screen and each hand independently is a bigger advantage for comfort and ergonomics than any change in shape or weight could offer.

[cyan totem]

This is one of the best looking handheld aesthetically. Wish it had a bigger screen with less bezel though

[stark ginkgo]

that's the same complaint I have with the ally X.

I like a lot about it but the bezels be chonky and I miss the deck trackpads

[glass flicker]

I just wish zotac was an actual player

I don't like their d-pad and I prioritize VRR over OLED, I also don't like down firing speakers but I like that they added track pads and I also like the symmetrical layout

[long panther]

the rog ally bezels are a travesty

might be even bigger than og steamdeck

[noble folio]

Im confused is this just the legion go S or something different

[leaden onyx]

It's the next generation of proper legion go

Detachable unlike the s

Unfortunately they downgraded to 1200p

@smoky moat Wise sage is this ewaste

[smoky moat]

No my disciple, it is perfect for PSP, which is very rare. It is therefore not ewaste.

[leaden onyx]

Thank you master

[rose pier]

It's different, it's for the Legion Go 2

[long panther]

Expect 1080p isn't rare and it's great for psp

We've been telling wumput for months now and he doesn't want to listen

You are only loosing 2 pixels!

No game is going to be compromised

[leaden onyx]

what are you addressing this guy for like hes a separate person

its me

wise sage explain to them the insufficiency of 1080p

[smoky moat]

imagine a game developer has hidden 3 pixel gokus in the top of his game

those gokus could line up sideways

640 of them in each 1 pixel row

insanity!

intolerable

[noble folio]

what

so you want a 276480p screen or something

[stark ginkgo]

or just 1200p 16:10

[noble folio]

why exactly that

[subtle shoal]

That's exactly what this device is

[noble folio]

I get psp is good but damn

[stark ginkgo]

1200p and VRR is also the correct setup for retro PC game emulation

[long panther]

now use "crop overscan" on the 1080p one

[stark ginkgo]

many DOS games ran at 320x200 anamorphic 4:3 at 70hz

so the only way to not lose frames, integer scale, and correct to 4:3 is VRR and 1200p or a multiple thereof

I know it's expensive to buy for just that but the go gen 2 is easily going to be the best MS DOS handheld ever

[long panther]

dos games are a small library though right?

[stark ginkgo]

with the mouse mode and the 1200p VRR

[stark ginkgo]

not at all, one of the largest

[long panther]

larger than gba?

[stark ginkgo]

yup

wikipedia list of MS DOS games is 2458 vs GBA 1538

obviously list of games worth playing is way more subjective and would come down to games that haven't aged well on DOS vs movie tie in shovelware and little kid's games on GBA

I doubt GBA vs MS DOS is gonna be a subject of much serious debate given the 10-15 year gap between them lol

I will say the GBA jazz jackrabbit game is absolutely horrible compared to the MS DOS original

[muted galleon]

Do dos games play well on a handheld without kbm?
Imo, even with trackpad going to be a lackluster experience

[stark ginkgo]

some do some dont

the go 2 has FPS mode so that's the other reason it'll be the goat for portable DOS

the go 2 has a mouse

but yeah I think the ideal MS DOS 'handheld' would be an 8.8" mini laptop with 1200p vrr

[versed goblet]

https://youtu.be/Z8MozXDQ4uQ?si=zBvXhlAZj4rPH04M

Compared to MSI

[spark robin]

Also, dos went on for far longer than most think....

[spark robin]

Lumines is one hell of a drug.

[gray wyvern]

So much of a better internal design then the 1 had

Still wish they had put the speakers into the controllers

[long panther]

Yeah, sounds like dos have much more shovelware/poorly aged games right?

[stark ginkgo]

I dunno

the GBA library has a lot too

neither are as bad as NDS for that

[long panther]

gba games held up really well, ds games are really good too but the decrease in overall quality is noticable in the library

I think there is also a similar case when it comes to gamecube and wii too right?

[spark robin]

Including Wii ware, definitely

[stark ginkgo]

yeah, I'd say most home consoles before the age of digital game downloads had less shovelware

since there is a bare minimum of effort to actually package physical media

[knotty bone]

True

But even then, the Wii had that problem even with physical stuff

Probably because it opened up a giant market for devs to target

[knotty bone]

Heh, I actually have the remake on Steam. Kinda lamenting the fact that I don't have anything more portable than my laptop to play it

[spark robin]

I mean, you probably do. Lumines is pretty easy to run for a PSP game. My h700 rg35xx SP handles is fine.

[knotty bone]

True

But admittedly, I have no handhelds yet, so there's that

[spark robin]

Well. Yes.

I can see your issue there.

Just play it on your phone while you wait for one to arrive

[worthy edge]

https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/parts-lookup?partid=5r71m93540

I'm waitin'

Watchin'

F5in'

[plush acorn]

Inb4 gonna be like $90 per controller half

[gray wyvern]

And launch next summer

[worthy edge]

If it is, they can keep it. LOL

I'm not THAT unhappy with my modded Go 1 controller.

[bold pewter]

That's my Lenovo legion Go I have to say that I love it is the best handheld I ever had I am having trouble with emulation though not that it's not strong enough to handle it because it can handle anything that is thrown at it it's I am having trouble setting it up myself

[bold pewter]

I can't wait until I get the second one when is it coming out does anyone know

[plush acorn]

[versed goblet]

https://videocardz.com/newz/lenovo-legion-go-2-with-ryzen-z2-extreme-to-officially-debut-next-week

@plush acorn @upper halo @gloomy meteor @jovial shell here we go!!!

This or odin 3 😬😬😬🤣

https://x.com/evleaks/status/1961238828477296797?s=46&t=W6WfgknjfK4-AMAr6C71lA

Evan Blass (@evleaks)

X · Aug 29, 2025, 1:25 AM

Promo video in article

OCD in me doesn’t like how the controllers are bigger than the grip 🤣

[celest cove]

get well soon

[versed goblet]

My Go S fund is now my Go 2 fund 😅 (Still No Z1E Go S in UK 🤦‍♂️)

[spark robin]

Z2go is £350 though.

Just get two of those instead

[versed goblet]

Z2 Go chip 😫

Want Z1E

[spark robin]

Fair.

[versed goblet]

Although if we get a UK release of Go 2 will just get that instead 😅

[spark robin]

Can't imagine that one being delayed by more than a few weeks.

[long panther]

I really wish there was such a dock available for a future legion go, how unreasonable is this? would it get too hot? what if it had cooling inside?

[jovial shell]

Hopefully we get some news soon

[versed goblet]

Next week 😬

[plush acorn]

Legion go 1 was announced at IFA on Sept 1 and released October 31st. So maybe the same here?

[spark robin]

Probably. More or less anyway.

Lenovo is run by goths that are really into Halloween. So that is when their most important product launches.

[manic rune]

Someone has to say this ...

[manic rune]

With the Z2 Go model so cheap you could just get one and use it to stream from your Go 2 when it is released.

[spark robin]

It can be your Go 2 streaming set up

[versed goblet]

You have a point there 🤣 🤔 don’t tempt me

[bitter flicker]

Wait, please lord baby jesus and our brothers and sisters in christ almighty from above and/or below, tell me it is not a typo in that this thing has a 2560x1600 screen.

Instant buy from me if it does - I want that resolution for streaming from my main rig, I need it for multiple windows in a workflow as this machine will double as a proper laptop.

[gray wyvern]

It’s 1920x1200, so 1080p at 16:10

[spark robin]

Yeah, wishful thinking on their part

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, I know that's what was reported but that linked videocardz article is saying 2560x1600 so I was hoping that this most recent article had them change it back to 2k+

[spark robin]

Nah, it's still 1200p.

[bitter flicker]

I know videocardz and such churn so much stuff out it's mind-boggling, that it's mostly Ai written these days, etc. etc. but that's a pretty big screw up on reporting out new info

Also though the memory is off on their chart, it says 32GB of 7500Mhz, I think it should be 8000Mhz.

So the only thing really useful in this article is the idea that they'll be announcing it next week.

[versed goblet]

Lower res but oled and vrr

So win some and lose some

[manic rune]

OLED and VRR will be enough for me personally.

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, thought there was a win-win chance for a second there

[versed goblet]

Still an insta buy from me tbh

[bitter flicker]

I still may splurge on it, I'm not saying it's not amazing, just my particular use cases makes the higher rez very important on the buy - for anyone using this thing for gaming primarilly I agree it shouldn't matter much at all.

I was going for V1 as even though I'm all OLED all the damn time, I hate IPS panels at this point, I need that resolution.... I can't run my kit on 16GB of ram for work though.

[manic rune]

The original LeGo screen still looks really good.

[bitter flicker]

It does / I would have kept it if it had 32GB ram

[latent pulsar]

ive been seeing some legion gos on ebay for £320ish, it is tempting

[spark robin]

1600p looks like it won't be matched for a long time, if that is important to you (it is to me).

So I am happy with mine 👍

[bitter flicker]

So a question for ya'll: if you stream either locally or from GeForce Now, does VRR matter in that scenario?

[bitter flicker]

ChatGPT says: only currently available on Geforce Now Ultimate, not the other tiers.

...and not available via Steam streaming or Apollo/Moonlight [yet].

[gloomy meteor]

You did NOT ping ME Petey? I'm offended.

[versed goblet]

😅

[gloomy meteor]

I did not get notified of your ping so now I'm just offended at Discord.

[versed goblet]

Bad discord 😫 but yes next week. Hopefully price and release date

[gloomy meteor]

I'm really sad I'm probably going to not be able to afford it.

[versed goblet]

I am putting everything else on hold

Odin 3 etc

[bitter flicker]

I agree with everyone that this is going to be a 1200p screen but damn this is annoying. OC3D, TweakTown, Tom's Guide are all reporting 1600p right now.

The source of the news must have screwed up

[spark robin]

They all just copy each other.

Well, the AI they use just copies the others

[bitter flicker]

True, but in this case it's the leaker, the 'Evan Blass' bloke on Twitter/X. Just looked at his feed and it gets all sorts of shit wrong. Showed off the new rotating screen laptop from Lenovo and said it is a 'rollable' display (this was rumoured long ago). It's not. You would think one of those news places would do a cursory check on the source of the 'leak'. Videocardz it happens, but a bit dissapointed in TweakTown. Tom's Guide I'm dissapointed with as well, but I've been dissapointed with them for a while since their quality went way down.

These mofo's are playing with my heart damnet. Don't tell me it's a 1600p and get my hopes up like that only to dash them later. Don't do it. It hurts me.

And then have adin shank me?!?! Life is cruel!

[plush acorn]

SD OLED: 204 PPI
Lego 2: 257 PPI
Lego S/Claw 8: 283 PPI
Ally (X): 314 PPI
Lego 1: 343 PPI

I'm happy with Lego S PPI, and Don't like SD OLED PPI. So... we'll see. When I saw it (lego 2) at CES it seemed fine, but that's not really an environment where you can determine critical quality assessment. Too bright/busy and the unit was jank prototype software.

[bitter flicker]

Yeah the SD OLED PPI is lacking. I'm generally very happy with anythiing 300 DPI and above

[plush acorn]

TBH, 1200P makes more sense for native gaming, even with the Z2E you're only getting like 15-20% over Z1E maybe (depending on game +/- 10%). Just hope it's crisp enough.

[bitter flicker]

I mean, it should be - my samsung S9 Ultra which I use all the damn time is closer to 240 DPI and it's great, of course, that's a 14.6 inch screen that offers a magnitude of relief on screen real estate where higher DPI isn't that important.

In games it's hard to notice, IMO, but I could easily tell the clarity in the Lego 1 screen vs. other handhelds.

For me, I have a few things in my workflow for development that I can't put two apps side by side on a 1200p screen.... That and since I stream from a 5090 rather often, I can definitely max out a 144hz 1600p screen and can't imagine really wanting a ton more out of a device I use for streaming anytime soon if there is an OLED/VRR/1600p screen at <= @ 10"

Maybe in 6 or 7 years there could be an oled 240+hz with absurd brightness/HDR I'd want, but if someone comes out with a screen like that I'm basically done for a while - when work stuff goes beyond the specs I'll just get a laptop because I'm all set on the personal / streaming zone for the foreseeable future.

[plush acorn]

Yeah, I mean this debate has been around a while, one camp saying SD OLED 800P is more than enough games won't run at more, other camp saying, but streaming etc (which is me, too, I stream from a 5070Ti)

I also think the deck OLED sharpness is worse than some 800p LCD screens. Something about the pixel layout/screen door effect just makes it eh.

For streaming, I have my redmagic astra now, too.. 9" 165hz 1500p

[bitter flicker]

ooo ooo ooo how is the redmagic astra?

[spark robin]

I am currently gaming on a dsi XL.

76 ppi

[bitter flicker]

I adore my S9U, it's my main for streaming, but it's a PITA to set up

[plush acorn]

Besides the two main things people gripe about - offset usb port (and only 1) and lack of microSD, it's great

Screen is perfect, size is great, SD Elite performance is there if you need it

[spark robin]

To copy paste my normal 1600p rant -

It's great for AAA games (800p integer scaled), emulation upscaling, older games, indie games, streaming, film, ebooks....

[bitter flicker]

Do you have a controller that fits that? Like a Gamesir or something?

[plush acorn]

I have many, lol.

#1348564042448375850 message

[bitter flicker]

I think all of my money is going to go to the S11U if they run extremely good trade in deals (which they will

[bitter flicker]

Any go-to / GOAT for that tablet?

Just looked it up, 550 starting isn't bad at all for that bad boy

[plush acorn]

Gamesir x5s is nice if you want compact and are ok with BT. G8+ also a solid BT option but a bit heavier. Kishi Ultra might be the most ergonomic, but is a weird location because of the usb-c port location.

Yeah, I mean compared to something like samsung's offerings, 550 for SD elite, oled is pretty solid.

[bitter flicker]

I don't think I could stand the latency with BT - especially considering how often one is scrapping for latency when streaming

[plush acorn]

Most of the BT options can also have a cable run from their charge port to the tablet if you use some adapter jank to do wired, but it's eh. I do wish the usb port was centered

[bitter flicker]

With the S9U I just wire it, but of course it's not like I can portable play a 14.6 inch screen, so having it on the bed and messing with a wired controller isn't too detrimental, but I would love something that doesn't require the set-up and set-down. It's only @30 to 60 seconds for setup and breakdown, but that makes all the difference, especially when you're calling it a night, I have to kind of hunt for spaces on the side table to put the kit when I'd rather just chuck the thing on the table and doze off

[bitter flicker]

Maybe with the next version? It seems to be selling well for a new area from Redmagic

[plush acorn]

The kishi ultra works wired fine, and the ergo is decent. Just a bit funky looking: #1348564042448375850 message

[bitter flicker]

Thanks mate!

[plush acorn]

Anyway, it's my favorite tablet so far. Previously a Y700 enthusiast. Just hard to do LCD once you go oled.

Curious if Lenovo will take the lego2 screen and put it in a future y700 gen 5

[bitter flicker]

So the kishi ultra is the one mounted top heavy, right? I don't care how it looks, if it's playable I'll consider it. Depends on what the S11U price looks like with the trade in. Bit of a downgrade, kind of, from the Snapdragon gen 2 on my S9U to mediatek on the S11U, but they're finally refreshing the screen to make it on par or better with the ipad pro OLED, a.k.a. 1000 to 1600 nits brightness in HDR.

[bitter flicker]

Absolutely. I'm pretty much fully purged IPS and VA panels now that I'm all OLED. Got a Samsung G9 and and Alienware DW set of OLED monitors which I love. The S Ultra lines are such great tablets because I use them as a 3rd oled screen, mainly for coding, and I can place it and dim it so it doesn't strain my old-ass eyes as much.

But I'm so spoiled, even the Lego 1's IPS screen, which is about as good as you can get (minus the portrait orientation) looked unacceptable now that I've been swimming in nothing but OLED all of these years.

[plush acorn]

Yeah. I have F1 Pro for my pc handheld, LG 32" oled for my desktop, astra for tablet. My tv is actually miniled, because oled 85" TVs were out of my budget.

[bitter flicker]

I have an older LG 77". I love it, but I haven't used it in like 4 months as I'm just kind of stuck in my office all day recently

[plush acorn]

I have a recent hisense miniled. The larger sizes have more dimming zones, so it's actually pretty good performance.

I don't notice any obvious blooming

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, I've heard very good things about miniled as long as it's over 70"

[plush acorn]

I might sell the astra when the Lego2 releases. Depends. The lego 2 will be a lot heavier though, with how much I stream I might stick with the tablet. We'll see.

I liked the lego 1 a lot and the weight was ok because I'd rest it on things with the kickstand. Just didn't like the hard edge near your palm on the controllers. The 2 is much better ergonomically in that regard.

[bitter flicker]

I loved the lego 1, but returned it just because I couldn't run my working kit with 16GB of ram. Hell, I don't know if I can run my kit on 32GB given the VRAM requirements I need... But with the lego 2 I can get it from Best Buy, put it through it's paces and return it if it fails out (that's what I did with the lego 1)

On the astra, I've heard the software is complete ass, have they improved that at all do you think?

[plush acorn]

Idk, I don't really interact that much. There's definitely a festoon of buttons all over the "gaming" slide out interface

Maybe it matters if you use it for productivity, I'm just gaming, web browsing, watching YT, or streaming games.

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, I need a laptop for the motion capture stuff I do for my dev. But right now I only need it like once a month - if I'm successful, sure, once a week, maybe 2 or 3 times a week.

But I don't want to drop that sort of cash if I can't use it for myself as well. I could absolutely see using the Lego2 for the work stuff and then using it most nights over the S9U for some quick streaming from my main rig in bed. Pretending I'm willing to spend money on the Win 5 and have all the processing power I need, I would never use that thing beyond work given the screen size and shit panel (it even looks like shit in the videos IMO).

I just can't afford to get a device with one use. Like I said before, since I use the S9U as another monitor, I use it on average about 7 or 8 hours a day, 7 days a week (and that's having it disconnected for a good portion of the time) - it's not good value as an android tablet, but it's amazing value as a streamer and secondary monitor.

Same thing with the Lego2, it'll have a lot of value if I can use it for streaming - maybe even as another monitor to show statistics or something but probably not because it's easier to use an android device as an external monitor with superdisplay - don't think there is a windows app that makes it easy.

[plush acorn]

Don't think 1080p is right either. They're on the struggle bus for display specs

[spark robin]

It's definitely 16:10.

So no, not 1080p

[bitter flicker]

ahahahahaha. Again, it's baffling that not one of the 6 tech news sites, including some very established ones (Tweaktown, looking at you) - ALL got this wrong. I wonder if the second error will trickle down on the 1080p.

I get that Ai slop has taken over, but not one of these news sources, in which this sort of product is a big thing, managed to catch what is an obvious error if you've been following the Go 2 news in any sort of fashion?

[long panther]

people often like to call 800p 720p and 1200p 1080p etc. etc.

[bitter flicker]

Yeah but not if you're a reporting outlet on this sort of thing. It's an important detail you shouldn't screw up on a tech site who specializes in tech products.

[spark robin]

They just wrong

[long panther]

don't know what that site is

it this like suppised to be something official?

[bitter flicker]

Videocardz. Their main business is reporting on gadgets and computers, including monitors and monitor tech. I expect a tech write up in a local paper or an off brand site (LTT or something) to fudge 1080p vs 1200p, but not something like videocardz, tweaktown, tom's hardware, oc3d, etc. etc. Those differences in specs are their bread and butter.

[waxen mantle]

i have been looking forward to this for a while. my only issue is i have an egpu setup these days for docked and I remember the go being a pain driver wise

[manic spindle]

I've never heard of excimer coating..anti-fingerprint sounds great!

Has it been used in any handheld devices before?

[bitter flicker]

It sounds lilke mostly marketing speak though I'd love to hear different.

This is what Chatgpt says it is:

Excimer coating isn’t a special paint—it’s a UV-curing process that uses an excimer lamp (most commonly xenon at 172 nm) to “skin-cure” just the top few microns of a UV-curable coating. That ultrashort-wavelength UVC instantly polymerizes a thin surface layer while the film underneath is still fluid; the mismatch causes micro-wrinkling/micro-pleating (“physical matting”), which locks in an ultra-matte, anti-glare, soft-touch surface once the coating is fully cured (often with conventional UV right after). It achieves very low gloss without adding matting agents and can improve scratch/chemical resistance and anti-fingerprint properties. You’ll see it on flooring, furniture, doors, panels, and decorative foils.

Key notes

How it works: 172 nm excimer UV creates a rapidly cured surface that shrinks and forms a controlled micro-texture → deep matte look.

Performance: Ultra-low gloss (often ~1–5 gloss units) with high abrasion/chemical resistance and anti-fingerprint feel.

Process details: Typically run in inert gas (low O₂) for best results; the excimer step is followed by a final UV cure to fix the texture.

Where used: Industrial finishing lines for flooring, furniture, doors/foils and other panels.

If you’re considering it for a product, the headline benefit is a durable, ultra-matte look without fillers, but it does require the right lamps/ovens and inerting on the line.

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-patient-gif-5428402658447527253

[latent pulsar]

excellent routine 😄

[versed goblet]

😫 z1e back in stock after months of waiting. Right before Go 2 news! What to do!

[long panther]

What price tag are you expecting?

[cyan totem]

I know the legion 2 hasn’t been reviewed yet but it is supposed to be heavier than the Go 1 and that was already an outright dealbreaker for many reviewers. I’m just saying Legion Go S is the absolute best device if you want a lightweight and ergonomic 8 inch (or higher) device. I would value that more than the improvements of the Z2e

I think people undersell the Z2e improvements. Sure it is only like 15-20% better at 25W but low watt improvement seems to be pretty massive. I think I recall a 90% improvement at 6W. So it is definitely worth the extra money if you can afford it

[spark robin]

It'll be about half the price of a legion go 2

[latent pulsar]

£700 here in the UK vs around £350 for the z2 go model is quite the jump 😄

[proper quest]

Yeah I was a little disappointed in the top end performance but the low end performance increases are pretty nutty. Especially with the oled screen and bigger battery the battery life is going to be really good

[spark robin]

Yeah, they pretty much double each time between z2go - z1E - z2E.

I guess if they go crazy and do a strix halo, it'll be double again

[versed goblet]

Ahhh ok 😅 tough decisions. I will wait till news next week and make a decision. But Z1E GO S hasn’t been in stock in UK till now. Hopefully maybe a sale price once Go 2 comes out

[plush acorn]

Wait. Oled. OLED

OLED

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-hodl-hold-the-line-proton-proton-xpr-gif-21569958

[worthy edge]

https://youtu.be/W21dP1iFux0?si=GE8QecCxz3v3nfpM

[round abyss]

I wish the damn price would leak already

[rose pier]

I wanna know the release date more than the price tbh

[versed goblet]

Next week 😬 should have all the info

Or this week if your week starts with a Sunday

[haughty hatch]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Exclusive-Lenovo-Legion-Go-2-could-cost-200-more-than-Asus-ROG-Ally-X-at-launch.1101071.0.html

1149 oops

[versed goblet]

Kinda what I was expecting tbh

[gray wyvern]

Yeah, 1149/1199 is what I was anticipating

[haughty hatch]

pricy

[versed goblet]

I will figure the money out somehow

😅

If i have to sell some of my collection, so be it

Already halfway there as was saving for Go S Z1E

[long panther]

yikers

1150 is nuts

[haughty hatch]

excluding tax?

damn

[latent pulsar]

oof

[spark robin]

If it does hit that price, it's great value for what it is.

That doesn't mean people won't be put off by a 50% price hike in one generation though....

[long panther]

great value?

I mean it's probably okay

but compared to the competition I'm not so sure

[haughty hatch]

its only 10% increase based on my prototype

[spark robin]

Detached controllers, only handheld ever to have VRR OLED display....

It's great value for what it is.

Doesn't mean it's worth the extra $650 over a regular legion go to most people.

It's certainly not to me

[long panther]

vrr flicker incoming?

[haughty hatch]

i dont see that

how to check?

[spark robin]

The prototypes that went on sale a few months ago (like Rusty has) have been out for a while. I am sure if there was flicker someone would have noticed it by now

[modest zealot]

Lenovo Legion Go 2 with Ryzen Z2 Extreme to officially debut next week

https://videocardz.com/newz/lenovo-legion-go-2-with-ryzen-z2-extreme-to-officially-debut-next-week

[waxen mantle]

This would still have the same egpu fussiness as previous gen yeah?
Otherwise this machine is a dream

[modest zealot]

what do you mean? I had no eGPU issues and I build my own eGPU from AliExpress parts and 4070 Super, later swapped for 4060Ti to get smaller case [I only used it to game on Internal screen, to boost its own graphics,, since I have a proper PC i dont need it to game on a monitor just to make its own graphics better]

Offical ad leaked already

[plush acorn]

For AMD eGPU that would depend on whether they are using stock AMD drivers or their own custom drivers. The issues with legion go came from their custom drivers.

[plush acorn]

That’s because you went nVidia. The issue is with AMD eGpus and Lenovos custom AMD drivers for the go 1.

[waxen mantle]

damn, so NVIDIA would be fine? interesting. crap right now i am running an amd 9070. I'll keep an eye on this, wouldn't be opposed to switching, just a hassle and expensive

[spark robin]

My 2060 runs fine 👍

[bitter flicker]

I think the flicker is inherent with OLED displays with VRR; no real way around it. Prototype videos really weren't stressing the VRR component; OLED flicker isn't an issue if you aren't relying on VRR and have a stable frame rate.

[plush acorn]

Even my $1k lg 4K OLED has flicker sometimes with VRR on. Depends on the game and other factors too

Tbh I just leave it off. The monitor is 240hz so I can’t even notice a skipped frame lol

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, I don't notice it that often, or when I do it's not a game-killer; mostly just going from game to menu in certain titles (Path of Exile 2). If it bothers me I just cap framerates

[plush acorn]

If this thing ticks the marks I can replace a few devices with it and selling those should cover the cost.

Price sucks but some of that is out of Lenovos control with current situations.

[versed goblet]

Only a few more days till IFA. 🤞we will know more. But guessing if promo materials are leaking. This will be up for pre order soon. Hopefully we may get proper price leaks during week when people are floorwalking IFA before doors open.

Looks like a lot of things are already leaking. Like they have a laptop that can go into tate mode

[modest zealot]

I been with oled since 2016, using 55inch TVs as my PC monitor, since C9 i had VRR and never seen any flicker.
They say it happens if your game has BIG FPS flactuaansions, like 120 than 70 than 100 than 50
But I NEVER seen a game that does that, also with VRR you should have VSYNC on, if your framerate is stable there is no flicker

[plush acorn]

Like I said… “sometimes” and depends on the game and other factors.

[plush acorn]

I don’t get this. Seems it would just make the laptop thicker for a niche use case. Rather carry a portable monitor and put it to the side in portrait if needed.

[worthy edge]

I just want to see the controllers go on sale

[grand basin]

do we know what the battery life on this thing is gonna be? I love my legion go but the battery life is atrocious and I basically have to play plugged in most of the time unless I'm game streaming

[versed goblet]

Designer plays a lot of DS

[proper quest]

Battery life is going to be improved a lot, it has around a 70 whr battery, and the z2e gets most of its performance at around 17 W

[grand basin]

awesome
God I can't justify another handheld right now lmao

I hope its super expensive so I have no reason to buy it

[proper quest]

It's $1100

About what I expected but still

[grand basin]

USD??? that's like 8000000 CAD 😭

[proper quest]

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-25352670

[grand basin]

I'll just plug in my legion go 1

[waxen kiln]

Z1E Ally X details at $900. This thing has a larger, more expensive screen. And the 8AI+ is STILL over $1K on Amazon 8 months into the year. 🤷.

[proper quest]

I mean the z2e ally is around $900 supposedly, either way I think the price for the go 2 makes sense, but that doesn't make it any easier to swallow

I'm probably going to hold out with my go 1 and maybe snag an open box sale if I find a good one

[jovial shell]

Confirmed?!

[proper quest]

No just rumors

[plush acorn]

I have zero interest in another 7” lcd pc handheld at this point so I’ll pay the OLED tax

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[jovial shell]

Ah thanks 👍

[versed goblet]

This is what we have been waiting for! So i will pay tbh. Otherwise massive waste of time. Also sold so much stuff with this price in mind

I’m hoping this can replace so many other handhelds. Thus recoup money

[glass flicker]

Remember prices never go down, if people pay the 1100 or 1200 or whatever dollars for this thing, the successor will be the same or more

Personally these things are reaching a price that is no longer justifiable for a secondary PC

[versed goblet]

Still cheaper than Win 5

[grand basin]

that's kind of where I'm at, like i could spend that money on upgrading my gaming rig and get more value
I'm not even saying the price doesn't make sense, but it's just very expensive no matter how you look at it

I wound up getting the legion go 1 as an open box on sale from best buy and it was way easier to stomach at around $600 CAD (which is 5 USD)

so maybe in a year or two this will be available for like, I dunno $700-800 used or something

[gray wyvern]

Yeah at anything but 75%+ brightness I think VRR will be unusable due to flicker

[bitter flicker]

hahahaha you got me on 'tate mode'

Though honestly I was looking at that rotating option and I just can't get behind it as a concept.

I'm most hoping that when they announce everything at IFA that it hits the stores shortly after. I've been needing a laptop for a while and have been waiting on this specific device because we've already passed the rubicon of these being secondary devices and they're just strait up 'your mobile PC' at this point. I'd be over the moon if US Best Buy gets it on announcement; they have a 60 day return policy and that gives me plenty of time to test my workflows out in the field with it.

It's why I can't use the lego1, doesn't have enough ram for the work stuff, and why I don't want SteamOS, because I can't run my work apps. Kinda wish at least one reviewer would take these devices through some productivity tests because so few of us can afford to refresh these devices that often now that the prices are x2 as much as they were before.

[manic rune]

This thing is straight up more powerful than my work PC, so it might be my work PC too. With a built in controller. 🙃

[bitter flicker]

That's the dream/draw!

[rose pier]

The Go 2 is gonna become my main PC as well, it's basically an all in one device

[bitter flicker]

I'm trying to run a mocap program and live link to Unreal Engine editor. It's going to be tight with the 32 GB of ram, but I just need it working, don't need it to be performant.

If I get a laptop, I'll just use it a few times a month for that mocap work and it'll sit collecting dust until I go out on a shoot. The lego2 may mean I can use it for work but also use it all the time as my primary streaming/gaming device.

If I get it from Best Buy and it can't run what I need it to run, time to start putting money aside for a 395+ device. I don't like the win5, I have a Samsung S9 Ultra I use all the time that makes the OneplayerX Super a bit redundant, so it kind of would boil down to the ayaneo next 2.

[haughty hatch]

i'll stay with prototype if it cost 1200k

[waxen kiln]

What about the X1 line? 11" probably works better for productivity and HX370 is faster with more cores than Z2E + higher RAM configs. I'm guessing LeGo 2 will max at 32GB.

[bitter flicker]

The X1 is very appealing, and I know I'm being super picky, but the oled screen kind of makes or breaks it for me. Right now I use my oled Samsung S9 ultra for streaming stuff while in bed or away from my main rig, and I need something that strikes the balance between that device and a full computer.

I just don't see using the X1 other than the few times a month for work (very important, just not super frequent) and when I get into that category I can get a discrete nvidia laptop machine for the same $$$.

If they made the X1 with OLED I'd buy it in a heartbeat - though 11" is the absolute max, I could see using it on the daily right before shuteye over the S9 Ultra for streaming and just keep the S9 Ultra as a tethered coding/dev monitor on my main rig / when I'm doing a shoot off of the portable PC.

I had the lego1 for a little bit and that IPS screen was great, but I just didn't use it because compared to my oled screen devices it just didn't hold up / wasn't in use 95% of the time.

[haughty hatch]

16gb free vram is no brainer

[bitter flicker]

I may not need that much oomph for the mocap workflow - one of the capture systems I use goes off of processing 6 to 8 gopro 4k, 120fps feeds and the main part of the game is going to try and jam all of that footage as fast as possible onto an nvme drive.... Which just means I need a good set of USB 4 ports more than anything else that I can hang a hub off of and some super fast readers (a.k.a. the phenomenal Prograde pg20 hub) - once those videos are consolidated I can upload everything to the cloud for processing, and/or keep the files on there as we film, go home to my 5090 rig, boot into Linux, and process on that machine.

The other mocap system I use is Rokoko, and that does require some oomph for that program, and running 'live link' directly so that the mocap is displayed in my level design in Unreal Engine is the goal, but may not be a requirement. If I get it working, I don't care if it's 5 frames a second, I just need to know if we're facing the right way and a few other basics.

When/if we're successful and I upgrade to a beefier system in a few years, I still see using the lego2 for personal streaming or for a 'portable server' that I hang a usb4 10gb nic and some SSDs off of the thunderbolt 4 hub. I really don't need a fancy CPU/GPU when it moves to server status down the road. I just need a device that is barely capable for this stuff for work, but if I'm dropping over 1k grand, I really want to be using it for personal stuff, and I can see streaming games to it.

If the lego2 doesn't cut it, as I said before, I'll probably save up and hope the Ayaneo next 2 does it if that comes with oled, or just buy a device that I only use a few times a month for shoots.

[haughty hatch]

vrr start from 30 to 144hz

[spark robin]

I dunno. Steam Deck came and was a lot cheaper.

When the z1e gen joined in, after 6 months went down in price a lot.

Maybe launch prices of products will reduce, maybe they won't. But you don't have to buy at launch....leave the beta test software for other people to deal with

[stark ginkgo]

As long as Canada’s pricing isn’t including the American tariffs for no reason (other than greed) I’ll get one of these

If it’s the same price here as the USA despite us not tariffing it then lol

[haughty hatch]

it wont come cheap sadly

[long panther]

you can turn off vrr though right?

[stark ginkgo]

I’m prepared to pay whatever the US price minus the US tariff is. I’m just not gonna subsidize the American taxes on it as a non-American.

[haughty hatch]

rumor is eu might be cheaper than us

🤣

[stark ginkgo]

Yeah and their price includes VAT

[haughty hatch]

same reason why a8 has not been released on us

[stark ginkgo]

If they aren’t gouging Canada should be cheaper than Europe or USA right now for electronics.

Well, outside of Apple who is tariff exempt in the USA

But a lot of companies like Nintendo are still stuck on wanting a unified “North American” price which right now means overcharging Canadians to subsidize American losses

[waxen kiln]

Valve got to subsidize the cost thanks to Steam profits. It's like how Microsoft does with Xbox - subsidize the hardware to get consumers to buy on the storefront instead. Personally I think we're just in the norm of ~$1K PC "flagship" handhelds.

[versed goblet]

Phones are now nearing 2k in price. So this price isn’t that bad, you getting a very powerful device for the price. Also oled vrr baby!

[versed goblet]

New promo pic

[bitter flicker]

Eh I don't know; I'm watching Digital Foundry right now and they remarked how the 400 dollar handheld pc market (steam deck) is now starting at 800+ (Xbox rog ally) sayiing 'this isn't a console, this is a PC, no one would pay 800+ for a console today.' <= I'd argue 'never forget' what these started at, they're twice as much because of A) tarrifs (regardless where you live) and B) greed.

Honestly without the tarrifs excuse, with a bit less demand that has transformed all manufacturers to chase the shiny thing, I honestly think this would have come out at 700 or 800 USD, not 1,100.

[bitter flicker]

Thanks for these.

Interesting. For this price, the 500 nits is dissapointing IMO.

[versed goblet]

Looking like there is Z2 and Z2E models, from more recent leaks

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, the 'up to 32gb' probably means two models.

I don't have the video handy, but one of the chinese prototype leaks was commenting on how good the fan is on the lego2, supposed to be a lot quieter than the lego1, which is great.

Oh hey! Bottom USB port is centered! Fuck yeah! It's not seesawed to the left - we can properly dock this thing!

[proper quest]

Interesting, would z2 be basically the z1e then

Wonder how that will be priced compared to the go s models

[latent pulsar]

Steam deck was pretty much the outlier in terms of this market and pricing, as valve could easily afford to subsidize it. Before we just had GPD, ayaneo and onex player but the decks price arrival smashed the market open. Can't really call it the 400 dollar market apart from the heavily discounted allys etc

[glass flicker]

I'm going to just ride out my Ally X until we get a steam deck 2, bring all these handhelds back in line. 2027 or 2028 is likely

It will probably do the same thing as the original, force the windows handhelds to be more reasonable in price

[bitter flicker]

I hope so, but I don't put that much faith in valve either - they're just another mega company at the end of the day. As much as I want to think of them as gamer-centric, I can't forget they still charge 30% for game devs (unless you're triple A) for doing very little these days. Justifiable back in the day, but in 2025, 30% off of downloads and a modicum of curation/payment leaves most developers with single digit profits at best and that hurts the industry more IMO.

[glass flicker]

I'm not a valve fanboy at all, trust me on that. I don't really buy games on steam (I'm a pirate lol) but because they are privately owned and not publicly owned, they are far more ethical than most companies. They could certainly do a lot worse. As long as Gabe is in charge I have faith in them, unfortunately that won't be forever.

[waxen kiln]

Agreed. 500 nits on an OLED on a handheld that people will be using outside sounds low.

On the other hand the fact that we're getting a 8.8" OLED VRR opens the options for future handheld makers to also use the screen.

[glass flicker]

Yeah I imagine we're going to see a period where Lenovo has exclusive rights to this panel for a short time probably a year or two, then we're going to see it everywhere. It's a shame it wasn't 8 in instead, I feel like 8.8 is just a little bit too big but I suppose it's close enough

The competitors are going to have to adopt something similar, either a custom screen of their own or something because it will be a major selling point

People interested in the Xbox Ally should really reconsider waiting another generation. Not only will the next chip bring more performance, but it will probably be fsr4 enabled and there's a very high chance that Asus uses a new and improved panel by then and also the new windows OS features will be more refined and less of a beta test

[bitter flicker]

I may be too old and jaded. Sure, I trust Gabe more than any other mega CEO, 20 times more, but zero times twenty is still zero. I am kind of stunned Gabe doesn't get any flack for anything - namely that 30% cut I think is really atrocious and hurts smaller / solo devs the most.

Granted, I'm biased as I'm a solo dev, but I won't be releasing anything on steam anytime soon if ever, still, it's mind blowing how many devs get like 4 million in revenue and end up seeing maybe 100 to 200k out of that, with over 1.3 million going to a glorified download and webpage that costs valve about .002 cents in transfer fees. It's a large reason why there is such a damn gulf in gaming these days and so many smaller developers failing. I mean if you make like 10 million or something they slash the fees to 20%, but it's the smaller devs that need the cut, not the larger ones.

Don't like Epic either, but at least they are championing reasonable fees for the industry.

[glass flicker]

The Z2 extreme at the end of the day is still rdna 3.5 hopefully there's a big jump when we go to rdna 4

[bitter flicker]

I just want RDNA 4 for FSR 4 and the image improvement, I think it's kind of nuts that these devices are being released today out of the gate can't run the most recent upscaler by AMD.

[glass flicker]

Yeah I get your argument, 30% can seem unreasonable I suppose.

They should definitely give indie developers a cut, like 10 15 or 20% instead

I'm talking more broadly and generally speaking, valve could be a lot more evil

[bitter flicker]

If you want to get your hackles up, youtube it, it's really quite absurd / highway robbery and the stories of 'successful' games by solo/indie studios having their profits decimated to zero and people leaving the industry is insanity.

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, Epic does this - they've been leading the way with supporting smaller devs. Epic store is what, 15% at most, tons of discounts if you use UE and fees don't kick in on that engine and parts of the store until after a million or something?

[bitter flicker]

Absolutely - we wouldn't be were we are today with Valve and they could be worse, but they really should be put on blast for the 30% thing these days. Everyone has to go through Steam to be successful for the most part, so even a little bit of douchebaggery has far bigger ripples on the industry and devs than any other company, far more than their rival Epic.

Cutting down to 15% to 20% or tiered pricing would make the line go up less severely for a little bit, but it would recover, and even an old fart like myself wouldn't have a lot of stones to throw at them - as it stands if they continue to gouge devs, I suspect we'll see them get some serious flack at some point that will tarnish their reputation quite a bit and Epic and others will step in. Like you, I'd rather valve stay on top because overall they're the best of the industry - just get ahead of it and cut the 30% shanking

[waxen kiln]

Gotta sell those RDNA 4 cards first. Linux can already utilized FSR 4 on RDNA 3 so it's a matter of will from AMD to back port it. I'm guessing it'll show up eventually especially after the new UDNA shows up.

[bitter flicker]

What is the performance like? I thought running FSR 4 on RDNA 3 was super inefficient.

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, didn't we see that 8.8 IPS 1600p screen in a few other devices a year or so after the lego1?

[bitter flicker]

I think we're about to be flooded with OLED VRR screens in the next 2 to 3 years and I'm all for it.

[waxen kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/s/HnqzfD2IDX

If it works, it works? 🤷

[glass flicker]

Hope so man, it should become standard especially on these expensive devices

[waxen kiln]

Ugh I keep forgetting to embed the link format.

[bitter flicker]

Ah nice read, thanks for the link

[waxen kiln]

I'm excited for it. FSR 3 is just worse compared to the other options. FSR 4 is so competitive so I can get from a business decision AMD holding porting it back.

[bitter flicker]

Have they said they plan to release it on 3.5 RDNA?

[waxen kiln]

Would be peak gaming to have an efficient Android handheld (local / GFN streaming) and a PC handheld for those that need it.

[bitter flicker]

If I get the lego2 I'll be using it 95% of the time for streaming. The other 5% for work, albeit a central component of that work.

Even after I get a new kit, I still see using this for streaming even after the SOC is outdated for Windows work/gaming. When a 120hz+ OLED VRR 8 to 11 inch 1600p screen comes out, I'll main that and convert the lego2 to a server; the USB 4.0 makes the longevity on these devices something special IMO.

I can't imagine what comes after an oled 240hz+, VRR 1600p screen that is 11" or less. Like WTF would I even want after that? It's hard to imagine a panel like that being anything other than end-game for me... but I'm sure I'll be surprised at some point if I'm around long enough.

[waxen kiln]

Going full circle (looking at you Absolute 3D One whatever you're called).

[manic spindle]

500 nits is the minimum brightness for full screen, and it has True Black 1000 certification, which means it can reach a peak brightness of 1000 nits

See the DisplayHDR specs here: https://displayhdr.org/performance-criteria/

Most monitors or phones use the peak brightness for marketing to make it look more impressive

[bitter flicker]

Ah cool! Bit weird they pitch it that way, never seen anyone advertise max brightness for full screen, almost always is max hdr brightness, 2-10 percent

[gray wyvern]

They advertise the brightness which is the full panel brightness.

When they do the max HDR it’s always called “peak brightness”

Phone panels are generally at 1000nit full panel brightness currently and peak is around 2500+

[bitter flicker]

Yeah, I'm aware of that, just not used to them not advertising the peak brightness and instead advertising the full panel / SDR max panel brightness. That's why when seeing the 500 nit max brightness I assumed 'peak brightness is 500 nit'. I didn't really pick up on the True Black 1000 moniker.

[waxen kiln]

Thanks for the clarification! A few days away to the hopeful official announcement! I really hope they actually set some prices.

[haughty hatch]

its gimmick

[stable kettle]

There's no plans for rdna4 on laptops/handhelds at all, 1-2 weak years ahead for ryzen mobile chips

[waxen kiln]

Yea, if you look at product release timelines we're most likely going to see a dearth of new PC chips for handhelds until, at best, end of 2026 which will really be 2027 to get any real supply ramped up.

[modest zealot]

Thats 500nits in SDR, its an OLED, they always have less NITS but look brighter since there is no backlight to ruin the blacks
it says 1000nits HDR, so it will do 1000Nit in HDR highlights,

[waxen kiln]

The recent Chinese prototype impression videos have cited peak brightness as being weak (no complaints about in door brightness). Hoping retail unit fairs better.

[haughty hatch]

the prototype display is not perfect

mura effect is visible

hope they fixed it

or its panel issue

[manic spindle]

Yeah, all the Go 2 prototype owners' biggest complaint is the mura effect at low brightness... only way to fix this is to game at a higher brightness

I hope the reviewers look into this with their final version units

[haughty hatch]

not really visible on game

on Windows ui is visible

[manic spindle]

Windows UI is the most noticeable, but some games with a lot of dark gray scenes can still be noticeable

[haughty hatch]

this happens also on deck oled

[versed goblet]

They have begun teasing @plush acorn @gloomy meteor @upper halo @jovial shell

https://x.com/lenovolegion/status/1963629576141017109?s=46&t=W6WfgknjfK4-AMAr6C71lA

Lenovo Legion (@LenovoLegion)

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[proper quest]

I probably should start getting ready to sell my go 1

First I want to see the z2/16 price though

[spark robin]

I have hopes the z2 will be well priced.

Probably not at launch. Lenovo seem to overprice things at launch since the OG legion go (which was well priced). But in 6 months time.

[jovial shell]

My poor wallet this year....

[high cypress]

I'll be buying this bad boy straightly Day one 😍

[manic rune]

I have savings for this, but that basically means I won't be getting a Thor or an Odin 3 or ... 🙃

(but if I have a Legion Go 2, I have no actual need for the other things, so it works out!)

[versed goblet]

Same

[high cypress]

And I'll just sell my Legion Go 1, and my other Gaming laptop, the Lenovo LOQ 15IRH8

[versed goblet]

If this goes up for sale. Nothing else matters

😅