Lenovo Legion Go 2

[versed goblet]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/13/24320607/lenovo-legion-go-8-leak-gamepad

OMG its beautiful

@upper halo @plush acorn

[void niche]

Ooh, that looks like exactly what I was hoping for.

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hhgf-gif-6001872005337978969

Lenovo came to play!!!!

[little chasm]

oh no

my bank account just winced

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-shit-shades-off-shocked-surprised-wtf-gif-15705262

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hayato-yuzuki-money-goes-bye-bye-broke-money-flying-away-yuzuki-san-chi-no-yon-kyoudai-gif-6995065224609862489

[plush acorn]

BRB selling everything

[stiff ibex]

Mother 🤬

[plush acorn]

MAY

[stiff ibex]

This hurts

[plush acorn]

is that just journalism gore

or is there any reason to believe it's actually oled

[stiff ibex]

Hard to tell with leaks. That's the unfortunate thing

[plush acorn]

Also if it's not oled. Please tell me those controller will work on the existing legion

would just buy those

I think the attachment looks the same

[versed goblet]

3 models! Could be an LCD version too

[plush acorn]

Man

if they release a 8.8 oled with those controllers. and hx 370 or someth

game over

[versed goblet]

Yep

😅

Today has been crazy for handheld leaks

[hard finch]

Fuck this shit I am out

[gray wyvern]

Really disappointed they are keeping FPS mode and buttons right where you grip the console. Instant non-starter for me

[versed goblet]

Podcast is going to be busy next week 😂😅 Legion S, Legion Go 2 and Switch 2 Leaks. All on Friday 13th

[upper halo]

https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-sweet-impressed-not-bad-gif-9592821

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-one-he-is-the-one-gif-14744864

@plush acorn this better have a microsd slot 😂😂😂

Otherwise we riot

[sterile copper]

why the hell did they keep the mouse buttons

[plush acorn]

I don’t use micro sd on my legion tbh

Matters more on devices with no option to upgrade storage

[versed goblet]

Ah i have 2TB in mine 😂😅 Im too scared to open up my devices

[upper halo]

Yea I wish they did away with the stupid buttons on the side

[versed goblet]

I found once you get rid of the muscle memory of how to normally use a mouse. This works quite well 😅 although i only use it for shoot em ups.

[plush acorn]

I guess using the comfort grips the right side button is covered anyway

[void niche]

I’ve gotten a fair amount of use out of the mouse mode. Really handy to have a good option for strategy and puzzle games without having to bring something else along wherever you’re going. And because the base surface is so small compared to a normal mouse, it also works incredibly well on soft or uneven surfaces. I’ve hooked my system up to the TV and used it on a floppy armrest, a pillow, or my leg.

I thought it was a pointless gimmick at first because of the dumb marketing, and because I’m not into FPSes, but it really won me over

[versed goblet]

Same. Took me while. As i kept treating it like a normal mouse. But i eventually got hang of it. 💪

[manic spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-gif-24624952

8.8" oled

CES needs to come soon..there are so many awesome potential handhelds in Q1 2025

[stark ginkgo]

Yeah if they pull off OLED while matching the size and res of the go 1 and refine controls, fan noise, and speakers I'm sold

Loving my 2023 y700 so that but bazzite instead of android and oled would do literally everything I could ever want.

[knotty bone]

Agreed! It's not likely, but an active stylus digitizer would make it a good small Surface alternative too

[plush acorn]

I've got lenovo's booth bookmarked on my list of exhibitors to visit for sure now

[lean lance]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

so this is where holding out on the go 1 got me

[lean lance]

thanks for your insight on mouse mode, I don't hear much about it but this use case could win me over

[stark ginkgo]

This is going to make me feel bad for owning a y700 and ally X

Honestly this might even replace my MacBook Pro for me

[manic rune]

[lean lance]

there's one thing I need them to do and it's toning down that fan noise

[manic rune]

To me, its a WAY better gimmick than Nintendo's joycons.

[lean lance]

I could imagine

[manic rune]

The fan ... doesn't bother me much on "performance" mode - but if you kick it up to 30W plugged-in mode, yeah ... that's the jet engine.

Speakers will still be on top - looks like. This time Lenovo hopefully doesn't ship with a sound profile that makes them sound like they've been placed in tin cans on the other side of the room.

[plush acorn]

Fan doesn’t really bother me

[teal epoch]

I’m afraid of how expensive this is gonna be lol

[stark ginkgo]

Speakers/fan/battery were my dealbreakers with gen 1 that led me to the ally x

If those can be addressed tablet form factor >>>>>>>> giant switch lite

[void niche]

I've been wishing for high-quality split controllers that let you play while relaxing with your hands separated and resting wherever each one is most comfortable for over a decade. At least since I tried out the Wii Remote + Nunchuk and wondered why nobody made a version that was just a regular Xbox/PS gamepad split in half.

Then Nintendo brought the idea back with the Switch, and it was great! Except that they were sized for hobbit hands, gave me cramps after a few minutes of use, and didn't even have a real d-pad. But I figured surely we'd soon have copycats for all other systems in the near future. And then nothing happened for years and years.

Finally, in the last couple of years, we got some third-party joycon clones that are actually comfortable to use, and then the Legion Go, which is the best iteration yet.

[stark ginkgo]

The go 2 leak looks a lot better than the go 1 in terms of controller shape

And OLED is OLED

Come on 24gb ram and a 60wh+ battery

[gray wyvern]

Speakers are improved in Bazzite but they still point the wrong direction

I hope they upgraded the trackpad because the current one sucks so bad

[stark ginkgo]

I recognize I’m gonna be in the extreme minority on this but if the rest of the device is good I’d remove the included controllers, put them in a drawer, never open that drawer again, and still be a legion go 2 fanboy.

I’m happy with tablet + bring my own 8bitdo/kb+m

[manic rune]

Nothing wrong with wanting a "small" but powerful gaming tablet. Small in quotes because 8.8" IS small for tablets but we consider the LeGo to be huge.

[plush acorn]

Sir, then it’s a laptop instead of a handheld

[stark ginkgo]

I don’t want the bottom part, nor do I want 13+ inches

I want a tablet that fits in my 3.5L sling like the y700 I have now, but capable of playing Pc games

(And running better emulators at lower latencies)

[void niche]

As mentioned, it helps that I do love the controllers, but I’ll agree that the flexibility to take them off turn it into a tablet is fantastic and a huge part of why I love the system as a whole. So handy to be able to stand it vertically for shmups, act as an extra screen standing next to my work laptop on trips, pop it in a gooseneck stand to position at any angle for watching movies or reading comics in bed, etc.

[haughty hatch]

80whr confirmed?

lenovo aint stupid right

Glad i hold back ipad mini since it doesnt have oled

[stark ginkgo]

I just bought a y700 😭

[haughty hatch]

my bad

[versed goblet]

Imagine if this screen was also VRR 🤔

They got a lot of complaints on last model for not having VRR after showing it in leaked advertisement.

2nd times a charm

[rich star]

Laying in bed with the split controllers by your side and AR glasses would go hard

[haughty hatch]

Oled vrr now?

hope marketing is not lying this time

[rapid badger]

I was hoping they would have just shoved the AMD AI 9 370 chip in there at this point vs the Z2

[versed goblet]

Isn’t Z2E basically same chip minus AI stuff

[gray wyvern]

OLED VRR isn’t happening for a long time from any vendor.

[versed goblet]

Depends if this is a brand new panel. Anything is possible

[gray wyvern]

Not really

There are technical limitations for OLED VRR at this stage. The two main issues are VRR flicker and then power draw to counteract that.

Laptops only just got OLED VRR last year and it’s still incredibly rare and has many downsides

[versed goblet]

Ah fair enough, well either way. High refresh rate oled is still nice! If it can be same resolution as 1st gen go! Still a winner 💪

[rapid badger]

And the integrated Radeon 890m GPU

[haughty hatch]

i dont care if no vrr

oled 8,8 is dream

[gray wyvern]

I see no tearing with the Go display. I believe if the screen refresh rate is high enough tearing is a near non-issue outside of really bad situations. Stutter and frame pacing can be noticed though.

I’d rather have the Go then the Ally. I’m still very on the fence about the Go 2 actually being OLED. They got it off the file name and we all know how bad Lenovo marketing is

[haughty hatch]

ipad mini oled wont happen

[gray wyvern]

Rumor is late 2025, it’ll be interesting to see if it’s 120hz or not though.

[haughty hatch]

with hx370 chip we might see less stutter

[gray wyvern]

I’m interested to see if the battery size is improved

[haughty hatch]

its 100whr someone heard

[gray wyvern]

Because of those stupid removable controllers the packaging is really difficult

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

No chance it is 100whr

[haughty hatch]

it will be forbid on flight lol

[gray wyvern]

It would also be an absolute tank to hold lol

[haughty hatch]

i dont mind

ayaneo kun is 1kg

[gray wyvern]

That’s insane

850 is about the max devices should weigh and still be handheld

[haughty hatch]

tencent handheld ofc more

[gray wyvern]

I think the MSI Claw 8 is 8xx and is 8” 80whr and no stupid detaching controllers

If the Go pushes to 80whr like the others we’d probably be looking at near 900 or just over

[haughty hatch]

should be fine

indiegogo handheld charge you 1400 for strix

[gray wyvern]

I think they are trying to strike first before the big OEMs push out

I am interested in seeing the Ayaneo 3 though. Been radio silence on that for a while. They are possibly the only ones who can compete with the big OEMs

[haughty hatch]

with 8,8 oled, 7 oled is irrelevant anymore

especially it will have crazy price

[stark ginkgo]

8.8" 16:10 is such a nice size

close to ipad mini

fits in a small sling bag

[spring isle]

Digitizer pen and keyboard attachment would make it a full blown laptop

[plush acorn]

I’ll be happy with just oled and more comfy controllers tbh. Everything else a bonus

[stark ginkgo]

That’s just it.

[hoary gorge]

doubt they are not trying to increase battery on this thing with the pressure from other OEMs

[uncut hull]

I am definitely gonna grab this

[stark ginkgo]

I’m gonna tell myself I can’t justify upgrading from a z1e ally X to a z2e go 2 and should wait one more gen, then immediately cave the first time after launch it goes on sale and/or I am sad

[uncut hull]

Yup. I was gonna get the claw 8 but I LOVED the legion go and if I can get a better version of the legion go I think I’m totally set

[teal epoch]

Being sad is extremely dangerous. Having a really tough year resulted in me having a collection of over 70 devices lmao

[stark ginkgo]

Yeah, I had a big fight with my partner and wound up with an m3pro MacBook, then had a small house fire and wound up with an ally X

[teal epoch]

You know, despite spending a lot more money than I should have, I was certainly much happier because of it and I think that’s the important part

[haughty hatch]

claw 8 get crushed by oled go 2

no competition

[swift swan]

at the end of the day, addictions don't happen in a vacuum

it's almost always the result of trying to patch another part of your life that has gone wrong

especially if it's a part of your life that you feel you have no control over

[teal epoch]

I spent a ton of time tinkering with devices, customizing them, and also playing games. It was definitely an attempt to keep my mind busy and help me get through everything, which it absolutely did. Not only that, I’ve learned a ton in the process, so I think it’s been worth it.

[manic rune]

Lies ... no one with that number of devices plays games. 🙃

[swift swan]

oh I play games alright

on my PS5

[stark ginkgo]

I’m playing sm64 on a y700 tablet right now

Just hit 59 stars

The y700 tablet being such a perfect size and great screen is why I’m hype for a go 2 now lol

(60 stars)

[haughty hatch]

any new rumor?

[stark ginkgo]

I saw a claim this would have 100whr on another discord but that sounds kinda insane

The go 1 was already kinda heavy

[gray wyvern]

I don’t think it’s possible to do 100whr and be under 1kg

Not with the detaching controllers at least. Those add a lot of weight

[stark ginkgo]

Yeah I’m expecting 60-80

[gray wyvern]

The controllers on the Go 1 have a ton of empty space. I wonder if they put larger batteries into them and add it to a combined battery amount

[stark ginkgo]

Maybe. I would primarily use the go 2 with the controller disconnected (and probably different controls entirely) and my main weight concern would be while using it as a handheld so I’m not sure what loading more weight into the controls would accomplish other than make battery life worse 90% of the time for me

But I’m also coming at it looking at the go 2 as a competitor to other APU tablets like the minisforum v3 and the (supposedly upcoming) apu refresh of the rog flow z13 rather than a competitor to the ally X/deck

[slender mountain]

If this thing has a 80+whr battery and an OLED screen it will replace a laptop and Ally X in my bag

Small little bluetooth keyboard and it will be better than the GPD Pocket 4 in a lot of ways

[stark ginkgo]

that's my hope but I need the speakers + fan noise addressed too

[slender mountain]

If it's a solid device I will pick up an open box deal from best buy 😎

So funny I actually was in line at best buy picking up my open box Ally X, as someon else was returning an Ally X. I asked them why they were returning and they basically said that they wanted a console experience similar to their PS5. The better the software gets on these windows handhelds, the beter the adoption will be from non techy gamers

[stark ginkgo]

official steamOS on non-valve hardware on the shelf at bestbuy will be so big

[slender mountain]

Agreed as long as that benefit is realized by the person looking to buy one

not logging into a microsoft 365 account and seeing excel on your start menu on your GAMING handheld will be huge!

[stark ginkgo]

actually good suspend/resume and an interface meant for gamepad nav too

[gray wyvern]

Until they try to install COD

I honestly feel SteamOS might make things worse for the casual that buys at BestBuy. They want a console experience to play the latest and greatest stuff.

Just off Valves own report like 80%+ don’t play modern titles on their Deck

[stark ginkgo]

pls be real

and don't do something stupid like remove the headphone jack

[lean lance]

youtube comments, most reliable source in the world

[knotty bone]

The $899 prediction does seem reasonable given it will release post-tarrifs

[gray wyvern]

Chances are they will pull the Nvidia route and release it and then raise prices if/when tariffs go into play

That said the spec list seems too good to be true lol, and no speaker improvements listed 💀

Also wonder if it’ll be HDR

Can’t imagine the power draw on a 8.8” 1600p HDR1000 display

[manic rune]

Until we see some actual info from lenovo themselves, we'll just continue to get excited by wild-ass guesses.

[stark ginkgo]

The thing I shared says “massively upgraded speakers”

[stark ginkgo]

Very soon (CES)

[manic rune]

I found this picture of the new Legion Go ... 🙃

[rich star]

Next Anbernic XX device

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-awkward-welp-jim-halpert-gif-11761838

[gray wyvern]

Cool Steamdeck bro

[stark ginkgo]

I would buy this

[knotty bone]

You sure this isn't a Powkiddy RK3566 device?

[swift swan]

if this is real it's gonna weigh +1kg

not sure how to feel about that

[lapis dawn]

People said that when they heard the ALLY X was going to have a 80Wh battery and it turned out not much heavier than the original

[gray wyvern]

It’s a little over 10% heavier. But they can also balance that weight across the whole device. The Go has to keep it contained to the tablet portion so it may not be as unnoticeable

But you’re right. Let’s assume the Go gets 10% added, we’d be looking at 940g or so which is pretty rough

[stark ginkgo]

It’s hard to say how much it would add without actually weighing a battery. The go is 10% heavier, literally doubled their battery, but they made a lot more changes than just the battery, some of which probably shaved off weight, and some of which would’ve added weight (like switching to 2280 ssd, making a thicker case to hold that battery, etc)

[lapis dawn]

Maybe I’m just the weirdo who doesn’t think the Go is that heavy to begin with 🤷‍♂️
Either way I do want a ALLY X like battery in the GO 2 even if slightly heavier

[gray wyvern]

After bouncing around devices, it is pretty bad. But that probably also has to do with the fact that it’s got the ergonomics of a brick

[lapis dawn]

I don’t know man , I have a Go , Ally and Steam Deck and think ergonomics are not bad on all 3 , different but still pretty decent. It might be the fact that Im tall and have big hands but ergonomics was never really a issue with all 3

[gray wyvern]

I’m big and have tall hands as well and the Go is atrocious

Deck and Ally are solid though

Who thought flat edges on a controller were a good idea

[void niche]

I’m tall with big hands too. I’d say that all three are comfortably shaped, but the weight does become a downside on longer sessions. The Deck and Ally are marginally more comfortable than the Go in handheld mode, but none of them are great.

And the flexibility to pop out the screen and position it freely while only holding the controllers puts the Go in a league of its own as far as overall comfort goes.

[spark robin]

To be honest, having a kickstand out which allows you to rest it on a surface at an angle makes it the most comfortable x86 for me.

[stark ginkgo]

between the controls being detachable and the kickstand the go winds up being the lightest of the x86 devices by a mile - because you don't have to hold the device at all lol

right now I'm constantly back and forth between my y700 tablet and my rp5 for the 1600p 8.8" vs the oled

go 2 with oled will get me the best of both while removing all the android frustration and letting me play PC games and use better emulators...

[spark robin]

If anything, it goes too far that way, the controllers plus a 3d printed middle joining thing is too light for my taste

[stark ginkgo]

honestly the best part of the go is that you can just forget about the included controller and throw it in a sling with an sn 30 pro

[spark robin]

Similar idea, the most portable 4 player mario kart set up

I mean, short of actually using a switch I guess. But that's just silly.

[haughty hatch]

pirates

[spark robin]

Emulation is legal, despite what Nintendo say

[stark ginkgo]

And even if it weren’t it would still be based

Death to locked down hardware/software combos, it’s a scam for people who can’t make good hardware or software on their own merits

The go 2 being OLED and the switch 2 being lcd, the go 2 improving controller ergo while the switch 2 keeps the same terrible inline slab, the go 2 getting a better dpad while the switch 2 still doesn’t have one…

[hoary gorge]

considering the HX 370 handhelds are all $1100 or more right now I would be surprised if the rumored HX 370 based (we will know at CES 2025) Z2E would be sold at $900 with those tariffs on top - that almost seems too cheap given the Ally X launching at $800 would increase to roughly $1k if you add 20-25% 🤔

[haughty hatch]

well z2 is exclusive chip, amd might reduce the price only for big corpo

since they can sell at least million device

while indiegogo handheld sold like only hundred - thousand only

[hoary gorge]

oh for sure big OEMs like ASUS and Lenovo get better deals, that's why I compared to the ROG Ally X already which has said benefit as well

the current rumor is that the lineup looks like this (take this with a big grain of salt ofc):

Z2 - equivalent to the Z1E which was a 7840U without the XDNA portion, 8C Zen 4, 12 CUs RDNA 3 (TSMC 4nm)

Z2E - equivalent to the HX 370, 4C Zen 5 + 8C Zen 5c, 16 CUs RDNA 3.5 (TSMC 4nm)

handing out the top tier APU but for 3 generations probably makes more sense than what they tried initially with the Z1 which made no sense at all

if the Ally X was $800 already it would be a crazy good deal already if any Z2E (assuming the rumors are true) handhelds are $900 and that's true for ASUS or Lenovo deals

combining that with the tariffs is what makes this appear so unrealistic, either that or all the laptops with the HX 370 are on the expensive side (which tbf often does happen), no doubt smaller handheld makers like oneXplayer, ayaneo and GPD don't get good deals on those APUs with how few units they are moving - they mostly rely on being first

[haughty hatch]

i hope big corpo can reduce price

no need indiegogo handheld anymore in this space

[spark robin]

It's idle speculation, but the strong rumours that there will be Z1E and lower SKU's does sort of suggest the top tier one will be pricey.

If it was going to come in at a similar price to the Z1E launch, I doubt you would want two other SKU's underneath it, they would just be too similar in price.

[haughty hatch]

wont be above 1000

nobody buying it

[spark robin]

I did think that. But the Ally X was expensive and popular. Could be they are chucking the higher tier out for people who don't mind spending loads for 20% extra frames or whatever, and keeping the lower tiers for people who think on a more frame per $ basis.

Ultimately, who knows. I don't.

[hoary gorge]

agreed

[hoary gorge]

I think $999 is probably the highest they would want to go with these but we don't know, that's kind of the price I predict for something like an Ally X with a Z2E but who knows

if the rumors are true the line up will be segmented much more nicely
500-600 for the Z2G, 600-800 for the Z2 and probably 900+ for the Z2E top end product

this time dropping to lower prices won't be nearly as devastating performance wise than with the Z1

[haughty hatch]

i hope they go all out on high end tier

we dont need overpriced ayaneo gpd etc anymore

[spark robin]

Z1 was actually pretty great at emulation, basically z1e tier.

It's just that the the GPU was a bit rubbish, so PC games were worse.

[gray wyvern]

What rumors? The ones started here? lol

Tariffs are still completely unknown as to if they will even exist.

[hoary gorge]

rumors for the different specs for the chips

[hoary gorge]

yep the CPU was 6C instead of 8C which is not much of a difference but the GPU of that chip was 4 CUs instead of 12 which was much slower and the mainstream audience expected to play some AAA games at 30fps too which is critical if the graphics are slower than the deck

[stark ginkgo]

The key with all these Z chips is that they don’t have the NPU so you aren’t paying for a crappy AI slop tag that was only done to please investors

Surprised intel hasn’t made an NPU-less meteor lake sku for handhelds yet.

[spark robin]

The other part is that driver support lags behind stuff like the 7840u.

But driver support isn't as big a deal as some make out to be honest

[hoary gorge]

do we know how much die area is saved by not shipping the XDNA / NPU portion on the Z series chips?

[spark robin]

Aye.

In a funny way, it's kind of the anti deck. Deck having a good GPU, but pretty bad CPU.

[stark ginkgo]

None. They’re either re-binned chips where the NPU was faulty or they’re intentionally burning out the NPU before relabelling a 7840u to a z1e. It’s 100% a “we can make these for cheap but we can get away with charging laptop makers extra for “ai Pc” marketing taglines”

If you look at the physical z1e it’s just a 7840u but the NPU has been disabled

[hoary gorge]

yeah the question was wrong, I just meant how much die area the NPU takes up - it's probably just fused off

[stark ginkgo]

I imagine the z2e will be similar (or maybe the z1e was an experiment successful enough to actually do a proper run for the z2e)

I am afraid I am not aware of what percentage of the chip area is the npu

[hoary gorge]

yeah that's my guess too, unless they already planned another config we have to hope the drivers are solid so the 8 Zen 5c cores do not cause problems

[gray wyvern]

I mean the pricing

[hoary gorge]

I saw a video of the new one X fly pro and it looked like the 1% lows and 0.1% lows were really bad, could be that games tank on the smaller cores with less L3 cache

[gray wyvern]

Remember that the early drivers for 7840 were similar though. Took a while to smooth out

[hoary gorge]

the "rumors" just meant the 3 variants of the Z2, the prices are pure speculation

[stark ginkgo]

Honestly I wish they’d do a full custom gaming focused apu. All of these top end apus (which you want for the gpu specs) have massive overkill CPUs compared to the iGPU

[hoary gorge]

agreed but now we got 2 different CPU cores in the same chip

[gray wyvern]

Unless this market segment really takes off, we won’t get the gaming focused APU for the same reason Nvidia won’t build competitive sub 70 series cards

They make far too much money elsewhere to care with custom chips

[stark ginkgo]

The steam deck apu was great because it was custom - cpu wise it was half of a 5700u (half as many cores), but then got a more up to date iGPU so the cpu and gpu power were actually rough equivalents (the 5700u I actually have in a miniPC - and it has the old Vega graphics that won’t run much 3D stuff at acceptable framerates…)

[hoary gorge]

they probably just do not move enough units, that said gaming focused APUs for laptops also don't make that much sense since you can put a dGPU in a laptop

[stark ginkgo]

The z1e is overkill cpu wise for how much gpu it is packing

[stark ginkgo]

You can put a dGPU in a laptop, but then you’re making a gaming laptop, the worst form factor on earth

[gray wyvern]

Yeah, it was co-developed with the Sony and Microsoft APUs in the consoles. It’ll be interesting to see if AMD does something similar again for the consoles or just throws a full fat chip into it

[hoary gorge]

I guess we got the strix halo line comming for "mega APUs" for laptops

[stark ginkgo]

The Fremont valve console thing in development looks custom again

[hoary gorge]

that said I think the NPU stuff is more or less a demand by microsoft, at least heavily suggested

[gray wyvern]

I thought fremont was a PS Pro chip? No?

[stark ginkgo]

Im interested in a strix halo based miniPC, but it looks like valve is basically gonna do that with a slightly cut down cpu side and no npu for a lot cheaper

[stark ginkgo]

Is the ps5 x86?

[gray wyvern]

Yeah just like Xbox.

They are just AMD chips

[hoary gorge]

the deck APU is certainly a testament to what x86 can do if you properly tune and design it for 5-15W and that is on 6nm

[stark ginkgo]

Oh crazy. Why are their ports dogwater? Lol

[hoary gorge]

yes

[gray wyvern]

The Steamdeck chip is derived from the Sony/Xbox work on them too. Which is why it could likely be a one-off

And why the OLED revision came when it did. The same time they did the die reduction on the PS5 and XbX

[hoary gorge]

there is a lower end strix halo part with 8C Zen 5 and 32 CUs of RDNA 3.5, seems too expensive tho for a steam machine people postulate - much easier to slap a 7500F with an RX 8600 or whatever it will be called

[gray wyvern]

The Xbox APU actually got released as its own CPU you could purchase at one point. Or one super similar. It was a wild chip. IIRC LTT got one

[hoary gorge]

yeah a complete custom design request from AMD is expensive, I doubt Valve would have ever funded that

[gray wyvern]

https://youtu.be/9h08cMFwqRc?si=oqLIID3i-O0onOut

It was like part laptop, part desktop, part contraption of an APU lol

[stark ginkgo]

The Fremont leaked benchmarks look like a strix halo apu with fewer cpu cores - probably getting re-binned ones where they disabled a bunch of cores due to them not meeting QC or something

At any rate valve making another cheap gaming apu device but this time unconcerned about battery life (because it’s plugged in) could actually be a great miniPC for me lol

[hoary gorge]

interesting didn't see those leaks, if they can manage to make it cheap enough that could get interesting

[stark ginkgo]

That and the legion go 2 are my hype items for the next year

[gray wyvern]

I don’t see AMD making a cut down SOC again

[stark ginkgo]

With the rp5, y700 tablet, and 406v I’m pretty set on android devices I think.

[gray wyvern]

It doesn’t make financial sense for them to do so. The only option for less than 8 cores on a die is Zen2 cores and putting Zen2 with RDNA3.5 is a dumb idea. I think we’d be CPU limited at that stage

[hoary gorge]

I think it would still be cheaper to use something like a 7500F with a cheap entry level GPU but who knows, these mega APUs seem to mostly target laptops but who knows

[stark ginkgo]

But the y700 tablet has been a legion go gateway drug for me. Such a good size, wish it could play PC games lol

[hoary gorge]

Zen 2 was used for mendocino as well, apparently Zen 2 cores are fairly space efficient

[gray wyvern]

It is but the IPC was behind at this point

The tradeoff of having to put more power into each core to run at a higher MHz is offsets the benefit of running only 4 cores

Zen4c is likely where Valve could get the efficiency of lower cores on a higher core count product

[stark ginkgo]

But yeah - juggling the y700 vs rp5 has me sold on 1600p 8.8” tablet being peak form factor for me and the rp5 has sold me on OLED looking real purty for retro games

So go 2 = megahype

[hoary gorge]

if you could make a wish I think we would be fine if we had 4 cores of Zen 5c for most systems, maybe AAA games would suffer from the halved L3 cache and low core count but for a low power x86 handheld 4C Zen 5c + 8CUs RDNA 3.5 tuned for 5-15W could probably do wonders

[gray wyvern]

4 core doesn’t exist anymore though that’s the issue

[hoary gorge]

yeah as I said "make a wish"

[gray wyvern]

It’s 8 core with 4 disabled which doesn’t save any meaningful power

I feel that’s where Intel has a leg up on AMD in the handheld space. They just can’t seem to make it work

[hoary gorge]

nobody designs a chip like this since in the laptop and even handheld space there is no demand high enough for such a niche

yeah I think the potential Z2E has is the best thing we will see in 2025

[gray wyvern]

And 2026 likely

[hoary gorge]

whenever they decide RDNA 4 can go into APUs but it usually does take longer for all the stuff to trickle down to handhelds

[versed goblet]

Errr VRR?

Guessing they mean the S model

[stark ginkgo]

The S model could be really nice for people who don’t already have a PC handheld

I want the deets on the full sized

[balmy fractal]

Doesn’t it have to be 99whr to be allowed on air planes? 🤔

[stark ginkgo]

I think 100 is fine

yeah, 100 or less

not less than 100

so yeah 100whr is realistically the largest anyone will ever put in a consumer electronics device

[balmy fractal]

Good to know I’d be so mad missing my flight because my handheld’s battery was too big

[stark ginkgo]

lenovo has done 100whr laptops before

usually it's two 50whr batteries in one shell

but yeah 100whr is proabbly excessive, especially since the z2e should use less wattage for similar performance to the z1e

80 would be plenty to match the ally X

(I'd probably settle for 60 but I know joey would be mad)

[balmy fractal]

My legion slim 7 Gen 8 and has a 99whr battery

Easily making it through a full day of Uni

80-70 sounds pretty good for a handheld

The rest of battery life performance should be carried by the efficiency of the Soc

[stark ginkgo]

as someone with an ally X 80 is nice.

honestly if AMD would pull their head out of their butt and just make more 15 watt SoCs like the deck APU 40-50 would be loads.

[lapis dawn]

Will the smaller 8" Go come with Z2E or just regular Z2 ?

[gray wyvern]

Z2/Z1E as well as the Z2G according to Microcenter

Their press conference starts in 40m so we will find out more

Microcenter also claims the Go 2 wasn’t announced

[versed goblet]

Microcenter did confirm go 2 has oled though

But hopefully we will know more shortly

[gray wyvern]

Prototype though

The Go 1 had “VRR” as well

[versed goblet]

Probs going to be a may release like SteamOS S model

[gray wyvern]

Yeah I saw that post on FB too

[versed goblet]

I dont see why they are calling it prototype. Just say coming soon. Makes it sound unfinished

https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/7/24338044/lenovos-officially-making-a-legion-go-2-too

Oled, VRR and native landscape confirmed @plush acorn @upper halo

74wh, up to 32gb ram

[wet bridge]

I don't think it's coming in May -- I got the official press release from them as well, and it just says "Stay tuned as Lenovo prepares to bring this exciting innovation to life for gamers worldwide in 2025."

Everything else is really specific as far as launch dates, so I assume that means that it's still under development.

Wait, in the footnotes: "A prototype is not a finalized mass production unit and is subject to change up to and including colors, material, feel, internals, display, etc."

So I'd be shocked if they're aiming for May

[gray wyvern]

Press X for doubt on VRR

I highly doubt the panel will have VRR

[summer relic]

it says VRR support on the Lenovo press release: https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-legion-unleashes-next-gen-gaming-power-at-ces-2025/

specifically for the LeGo2

"8.8” 16:10 144Hz 500nit OLED PureSight touch display with Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) support"

[gray wyvern]

Lenovo also put out a whole video for the Go 1 that said VRR

Do not trust it until it launches.

The reason I doubt it because a panel with this capability does not exist yet

The Lenovo Legion Go (8.8”, 2), a gaming handheld prototype device planned to feature a native landscape

Oh god, literally the hamster war flashbacks for the Go 1 launch with this phrasing

https://tenor.com/view/war-flashback-meme-gif-11373632052098267276

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-one-he-is-the-one-gif-14744864

If this does have everything it says….oh boy!

https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-sweet-impressed-not-bad-gif-9592821

[rose pier]

Sounds amazing until the price is like $1K minimum

[versed goblet]

I would pay that for a one and done device tbh

[gray wyvern]

Interestingly the Lenovo site says the Go 2 will only be a 1200p display

Might be a typo though as per usual Lenovo

Oh god so many typos on their charts lol

Not on the Go 2

[versed goblet]

Oh yep. Im getting mixed up

Ahhh why are they all called go

😂😂

[gray wyvern]

Both of the things with arrows are wrong

Why can’t Lenovo actually do stuff properly lol

Oh lawdy

1076g for the Go 2

https://youtu.be/Y3wCt5Fgk14?si=XeZCY2E4eCxSQ0Cd

Stop 👏 putting 👏 buttons 👏 on 👏 the 👏 side

So the Go 2 might have SteamOS as well. It’s got a Steam button nevermind I’m blind, it’s the Legion Space key

It’s also got 2 extra buttons on the face of the left side. So 6 total command function buttons instead of the usual 4

[rose pier]

Yes, exactly

[gray wyvern]

I don’t recognize those glyphs

[rose pier]

I really hope the Go 2 also supports SteamOS

[gray wyvern]

It likely supports Bazzite so it’ll be installable regardless

[rose pier]

Yeah true but Bazzite has tiny quirks compared to SteamOS that are a tad annoying

[gray wyvern]

What quirks?

I use Bazzite on my Go all the time and really haven’t noticed any

[rose pier]

The QAM has a slight delay which throws me off sometimes, UI is a bit laggy for me specially navigating side menus, it has crashed on me randomly several times, etc.

Although they are admittedly nitpicking because they don't necessarily ruin the experience

[gray wyvern]

I think the UI being laggy is just TDP optimization issues

[hard finch]

yeah it is

its been fine on my laptop desktop and deck

also, this shit is oled ffs, i am out

[lean lance]

noticeably more weight than the previous one enters dealbreaker territory for me

[versed goblet]

But they all mention way comfier than prior model, depends how weight is distributed

[lean lance]

I'm somewhat skeptical about how much good weight distribution and ergonomics can do at over a kg but we'll see

[wet bridge]

Where does the weight info come from? I'm not seeing it in Lenovo's materials.

[gray wyvern]

It’s in their online materials

[gray wyvern]

https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-legion-unleashes-next-gen-gaming-power-at-ces-2025/

Very bottom of this page

There are very clear errors on the charts, so it could be wrong. However 1076g does make sense considering the larger battery

[wet bridge]

Ahhh, thanks, now I see it. It sounds...hefty. Especially since it'll be the same weight as the Nitro Blaze 11. Hopefully they find a way to lower the weight, because we're really stretching the definition of handheld otherwise.

[waxen mantle]

damn, this is the one i've been waiting for.

[lapis dawn]

The way I use my Go I welcome the bigger battery at the cost of added weight.
Usually on my lap with pillow or on my chest lying down , screen is massive enough so you don’t need to hold it inches from your face

[versed goblet]

Weight is a non issue for home use. Esp with the kickstand

[rose pier]

It is an issue for people that play laying in bed like me

[versed goblet]

Ok so Lenovo is officially calling it “Gen 2”

[versed goblet]

Legion Go Gen 2

Lenovo Legion Go Gen 2

[slender mountain]

Hyped

[gray wyvern]

On the ETA video the speakers are on the bottom of the device now

[lapis dawn]

As long as they are better thats fine because the top firing speakers on the first Go were pretty bad

[plush acorn]

I didn’t even see the speakers but I’ll have to review my footage when I’m back home

[gray wyvern]

I’ll grab a screenshot

[lapis dawn]

You making a showcase video for handhelds at CES ?
Cant wait , your becoming one of my favorite content creators

[lapis dawn]

Those 2 tiny holes are the speakers ?

[plush acorn]

Definitely for the go 2 and s, I saw both yesterday

[lapis dawn]

Nice

[gray wyvern]

Yeah seems like it

Those could be the speakers too. But they are so close to the front panel

[lapis dawn]

Those have to be the speakers

[gray wyvern]

Or it might not have speakers yet lol

The only issue is the space between the front panel and the USB ports. That is a super tight spot to shove a speaker

Bottom firing > top firing as well. I’d rather see them below

[lapis dawn]

They did say it’s a early prototype so things could change

🤷‍♂️

[gray wyvern]

Yeah for sure

I just want them to release a right controller without FPS mode

[rose pier]

Yessss

[gray wyvern]

Why they are so obnoxious about not listening to user feedback is beyond me

[rose pier]

It gives me OCD that the back buttons are so asymmetrical

[gray wyvern]

It’s a crappy mode. It’s a gimmick few use. Why include it

I also don’t understand why they do not have front firing speakers as well

They can absolutely fit, just put speakers in the chassis and the controllers and be able to change the output if you want

Or do what the switch does with the forward facing speaker holes around the display

From a Reddit post. Does this not look worse for accidental presses??

[rose pier]

Yeah they are really big

Also seems kinda uncomfortable because you're gonna feel them constantly

[gray wyvern]

Yeah exactly

[lapis dawn]

Wonder if the first gen ones fit on the Go2 ? Doubt it but you never know

[gray wyvern]

ETA says they do

But who knows

[plush acorn]

I definitely pressed them a lot while holding

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/mac-god-dammit-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-tired-exhausted-gif-25817473

[plush acorn]

Speakers are still on top

[gray wyvern]

Kk good to know

And bad lol

[plush acorn]

Yeah. Can’t really evaluate sound because CES is loud AF everywhere.

The go S has front firing

[gray wyvern]

Yeah but you figure while using it the top leans away from you. So why put speakers there

[rose pier]

Why wouldn't they change that

The speakers were one of the things people complained about on the Go 1

[gray wyvern]

Supposedly the leaks said they are much better. But I can’t imagine they are dramatically better if they still point away.

They are likely just louder and less cellphone circa 2005

[gray wyvern]

Grain of salt but supposedly a working model

[gray wyvern]

I thought everyone said it was a non working prototype lol

[lapis dawn]

That screen

🤩

[plush acorn]

It was… half working

Some of the buttons didn’t work

But it was actually running and playable

[gray wyvern]

Really sad to see the speakers on the top still.

Regardless as to their sound level, it’s still pointing the wrong direction and probably the main reason I’ll skip it :/

I legitimately don’t think the engineers use these devices. Otherwise they wouldn’t be making the same boneheaded decisions that people complained about the first time

[stark ginkgo]

Where would you put the speakers?

Front firing would make the device taller and side firing like a tablet wouldn’t work because of the controls… make it wider maybe and put front firing on the sides?

[manic rune]

Beef them up a bit and remove the stupid equalizer settings the original LeGo shipped with and the speakers will be good enough. It's not like you'll be doing critical music listening through the built-in speakers on this thing. You don't want them on the bottom (think kickstand use) or rear-firing, and as the Pope says above - side firing is out. Front-firing probably makes the device too wide.

[gray wyvern]

Nintendo put them on the face without making the device significantly impacted. You hardly even see them. The bottom would also be a decent spot.

But the best would be to put them on the controllers as well. No reason they cannot fit on them and you can swap audio output to the tablet portion when you aren’t using the controllers or whatnot. If the latency is low enough for controls, it’s low enough for wireless audio as well

The biggest issue with them on the top and why no one else is dumb enough to do it, is when you are holding the device the top is angled away from you. No matter how you hold it, how loud or good they are, they are still firing sound away from you. It’s just a bad design

[stark ginkgo]

the bottom would sound really bad while using the kickstand

[gray wyvern]

It angles back and fires out still though.

And honestly, what’s the percentage of use of the kickstand vs not to make the whole device worse for it?

It’s Lenovos MO. They try and force kickstand and FPS mode usage instead of making a great handheld with few compromises.

In the midst of that they make a deeply flawed device

[lapis dawn]

While Im not a fan of the top firing speakers of the original they aren’t bad enough to be a deal breaker ( for me anyway ) disappointing , yes .

[plush acorn]

For those wondering about side buttons

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyyy-why-gif-19236077

[gray wyvern]

It’s a dealbreaker for me. I have to have the Go at full volume and in a game like Indiana Jones half the audio experience is just gone

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/parksandrec-ronswanson-headphones-gif-4714743

[gray wyvern]

lol the only time I’ve ever used headphones with my handheld was on a plane

[versed goblet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegionGo/s/z43HBFHSGy

@plush acorn

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[upper halo]

Very nice, no need for a Go 2 😂🤣🤣😅😂

[versed goblet]

Always a need!!! 😬😬😬

https://tenor.com/view/love-tv-the-simpsons-maggie-simpson-baby-simpson-gif-11562351

Me when i get that oled screen

[rich star]

Now will the controllers be available for a reasonable price, that's the question

[versed goblet]

Guess we will find out soon enough 😅

[rich star]

You can buy them for the LG1 from their uh parts thingy but they're really expensive lol

And I don't think they work super well on other devices, at least from the bit of research I did

I would absolutely love to have these as a general controller to use on pc and docked Steam Deck!

[gray wyvern]

Will the controllers be available at all within a reasonable time frame lol

Lenovo is great about making promises, less so about coming through on them

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[manic rune]

Yeah, it's like $129 for the set of both L and R controllers (but you can buy just one if one is all you need).

[versed goblet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegionGo/s/nuqmsmL0jp

Some useful bits of info on Go 2 here

[stark ginkgo]

The kickstand tablet use is my only use case for the legion go.

Tbh I’d prefer if they sold a version without the controllers at all and then gave me side or front firing speakers that way.

[rich star]

Sell a pair for $80-90 with accessible pc drivers and I'll be all over it

[rich star]

All I want is a good split controller option that works well on pc and steam deck. I still haven't tried my Mobapads on it though, maybe those work but my other third party joycons didn't so I don't have much hope

[teal epoch]

People are saying Bluetooth works for Mobapads on Windows/Linux

[celest cove]

did they improve it by cutting the price to $800 cad on launch? :)

(i have no hope for anything under $1000cad)

[versed goblet]

No pricing or release date yet

[plush acorn]

800 CAD you high? I would be surprised if it’s even as low as $800USD

Oled, newer chip, and more ram than go 1 and Ally x. No way it costs less.

I predict $899 - $999 USD

I HOPE IM WRONG

[celest cove]

I believe nobody would buy it at that price point, wth

the old one is going for $850 cad at the moment, best buy selling for 900

[versed goblet]

I would pay good money for the new one. But im crazy like that

https://tenor.com/view/spanky-throwing-money-cash-money-our-gang-little-rascals-gif-7602783295867595867

[celest cove]

That's ayaneo Kun money

not lego 2 money

[versed goblet]

I trust lenovo’s warranty more

Speaking from previous experience they were amazing

[celest cove]

I trust their warranty as well

but 999 US is crazy.

we shouldn't accept that lol

it's a weak laptop in a fancy shell

not lying, that's in CAD

they wouldn't make a 63% price jump for a 2

[plush acorn]

But conversion rates. Don’t you guys make more dollary-doos per hour or something lmao

[celest cove]

what?

999 us is 1430 cad

that's what I'm saying

if it's currently selling for 900 cad jumping by 530 is a 63% price hike

no way anyone does a 63% price hike for a 2

we've never seen that lol

[plush acorn]

I’m saying the rog Ally X is 799 here and this has more ram, faster cpu, and oled.

So it would track to be a bit more expensive

[celest cove]

799 seems fair but to go to 999 for what?

[plush acorn]

More expensive components

Could easily add another 100

[celest cove]

yep

not 200

[plush acorn]

800CAD is only $560 USD. That would mean releasing more features for less than even a z1x OG Ally. That would be very unlikely

[celest cove]

wait holup why am i seeing 32gigs 7500mhz

[celest cove]

Me saying 800 was a joke, which I explained right after...

[waxen mantle]

bigger battery and Oled screen and this could be an ultimate device. Love the first legion go

[versed goblet]

This guy gets it

😅

[celest cove]

me too, I will be ordering the 2, 999 still does not seem reasonable

[plush acorn]

Gaming laptops far exceed $900USD so I don’t think it’s inherently a bad price. Just out of reach of certain audiences

[celest cove]

no like

for a computer

[plush acorn]

The legion go is a computer

[celest cove]

899 for 32gigs seems a fair price for an APU

[celest cove]

dude please don't explain basics to me.

999 does not

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-happening-this-what-gif-19803847

[celest cove]

idk man, this guy feels the need to explain that handheld pc's are computers to me

[waxen mantle]

I'd likely wait if it was 999, 899 though I'd be more interested. I have a G1 on preorder and i paid more for that and it doesn't have Oled, BUT, I do love that form factor

[celest cove]

looks like the legion go 1 has z1 extreme with 16gigs

[plush acorn]

lol only after you made a comment implying it wasn’t worth as much because it wasn’t a computer. I’m not trying to explain basics…

[celest cove]

899 cad is 627us

[plush acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/icemanx44-chill-chillin-cool-gif-12088092783531758864

[celest cove]

that's the price you can get the legion go 1

Seems to me like you guys are getting scammed for the ally X

[waxen mantle]

oh sorry i meant US yeah

[celest cove]

idk it seems overpriced to shit for the specs

I am making a guess here that the legion go 2 will be priced at MAYBE $800 US.

[versed goblet]

Hook this up to a egpu and it can easily be a main computer. I use my current legion go now as my main pc

[celest cove]

that's not what I said though, it might've been your interpretation because you had assumed I was someone who doesn't know their shit. That's your bad

don't disrespect me

[plush acorn]

I didn’t assume anything. You are now assuming what I meant. Chill out.

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-breathe-lets-all-breathe-nwabudike-bergstein-baron-vaughn-grace-and-frankie-gif-17555665

[celest cove]

I ran a Win4 as my main computer for a year we don't need this

[waxen mantle]

My old eyes can't handle a win 4

[celest cove]

You explained your interpretation of me, I can only assume what it is based on. I won't analyze you further. let's digress from that and talk about my point

[plush acorn]

Yeah 6” is rough

[celest cove]

This is my point

[celest cove]

and this

[celest cove]

and this (if you are paying 799 for the ally x)

[versed goblet]

I have 2x Win 4, A legion Go, Ally and Many Aya Neo x86 devices. They can all act as my computer if I so choose 😅

[plush acorn]

That’s correct and it was 700-750 at launch and the X is 799 USD.

So I propose the go 2 will be more

899+

[celest cove]

I really don't care brother it being a computer or not was never a discussion

please

[celest cove]

try to change your paradigm about this message, you are strictly misinterpreting me. I challenge you to do that without me rephrasing it for you.

[versed goblet]

But you are trying to justify price. To me Gen 2 will be my main machine. So to me for the upgrades that doesn’t seem unreasonable

[waxen mantle]

you could basically build some x86 transformer

[plush acorn]

You’re taking everything I said way too seriously. Perhaps the text does not convey my levity.

[celest cove]

I finished my sentence right afterwards

why are we going back there

[celest cove]

Gen 2 might be my main one too, who knows, but $999 US is far too much

there's no way it'll cost that much

[stark ginkgo]

If they launch at a high price we wait 4 months for discounts, no worries

[celest cove]

we went over how

[celest cove]

yes but I'm an impatient baby

[plush acorn]

999 USD is still cheaper than boutique handheld from onexplayer and GPD with the same specs as the go 2…

[versed goblet]

Yeah i have a problem 😅

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-credit-card-debt-credit-card-debt-gif-27305263

[plush acorn]

It’s a tough price to swallow for sure and currency conversion to CAD would make it worse

[waxen mantle]

i just paid 1199 for RGB lights from OXP

[celest cove]

huh? You can get an 11" onexplayer with nearly the same specs for 1100

11"

[versed goblet]

Price likely higher in UK too. We always get screwed

We already have import taxation on products, so costs for us are higher at retail normally

[waxen mantle]

I wonder if Tariffs will come into play. It also made me wonder if things i already preordered. would be adjusted? stuff that doesn't come till march

[plush acorn]

The x1 with an hx370 32GB/1t is $1399

Which is essentially exact same minus oled

[celest cove]

those are not even close in specs

[versed goblet]

It does in UK. Pushes retail price up

[celest cove]

it is not the exact same minus oled it literally has the same specs with 50% more cores

and the onexplayer is 11" compared to 8.8

the price difference is... kinda stil high at 1399 but that's boutique, and it's justified. That spec for the onexplayer is not a good comparison

[plush acorn]

Alright. I can see no point I make will satisfy here. I’m out.

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[celest cove]

you're not making valid points

i found spec sheets for you

you can agree with me that $999 US seems like too much

[versed goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/backup-gif-25086097

[celest cove]

👋 it's probably gonna be 899 ya heard it here first folks

[lean lance]

if it costs 999 I'm blaming you

[celest cove]

you can blame Derek, looks like I'm the only sane one left

[meager vessel]

This is indeed the logical conclusion. It's a bit sad you have to explain this.

[stark ginkgo]

the z series chips are cheap versions of the amd APUs without the investor bait NPU slop attached too

like the z1e is a cheaper part than the 7840u even WITHOUT it dropping any cores

[knotty bone]

I wonder if the Ryzen Zs will eventually make their way to normal laptops. Doubtful, but for those of us who refuse to buy anything with AI, it would be a good option

[stark ginkgo]

realistically they know the NPUs are useless to end consumers but also they're pressured by the investor class to be 'at the cutting edge of AI' - they're probably selling the Z series chips at a lower price with the specific restriction that they can't be put in traditional laptops to not undercut their sales to laptop manufacturers though

[knotty bone]

Ah

Sorry for that; accidentally held the "shift" key a little longer

[celest cove]

i wasn't talking about series vs series, i showed a spec sheet with raw digits marked in green

ur saying like 4 cores on the 370 are not like "performance cores"?

just inflating the number?

[stark ginkgo]

no I'm just saying in addition to fewer CPU cores the z2e also lacks the NPU so that makies it cheaper

[gray wyvern]

$999 without a doubt

It already launched more expensive then the ROG Ally and it’ll have a larger battery than the 1, they already priced the Go S higher than the original, and that OLED display is custom and expensive af

[celest cove]

ok so the comparison was moot

[gray wyvern]

Arguing boutique is justified when it adds nothing of value just a far worse purchasing and warranty experience is wild lol

[celest cove]

wdym, onexplayer were there with switch-style devices before lenovo entered, their devices are still vastly different to the legion line, if you want onexplayer devices you have to go through onexplayer. that's the blessing/curse of boutique devices

idk if lenovo can do an 11" device with those specs for less than 1399 regardless of the buying experience being worse

idk if they would even if they could

cuz that form factor's kinda out there.

[gray wyvern]

That doesn’t make the higher price justified. Nothing justifies it, it just excuses it.

Plus, didn’t the OneX separated controller thing have a bunch of drawbacks with connections and stuff?

[celest cove]

Oh you're living in christmasland. I don't think anything over $500 for a gaming device is justified*, and I also think we should be doing 4-day work weeks and that trans rights are human rights. but society isn't there yet

that device which was put out for comparison is simply higher spec than even the legion go 2

[gray wyvern]

lol you just said that the OneX player price was justified

[celest cove]

find comparatively specced devices and then do a comparison

not this

that was my point

[celest cove]

oh okay if semantics is the argument let me rephrase it: I believe 1399 is the ultimate price for any handheld and none of us should question that number. WTS miyoo mini v4 1399 not incl. shipping

[gray wyvern]

Personally, OneX doesn’t justify the price because it’s an off the shelf commodity tablet panel being used.

I’d wager outside of the SOC the display is probably the second most expansive price of the devices using custom panels like the Go 2.

[celest cove]

arguing that boutique vendors should price-match or exceed the capabilites of vendors that have industry supermacy, the ability to get custom hardware and distribution deals with any big tech outlet is wild as well

[gray wyvern]

I didn’t say they did. I just said the $1399 was kind of crazy for what it offers.

I’ve never understood where OneX stands. They aren’t super unique and just do what others are doing but more expensive.

Ayaneo did a lot with tiny packages and OLED panels, GPD did the mini-laptop and side up keyboard, and OneX just exists

[celest cove]

i agree onexplayer is overpriced

but it was irrelevant

[celest cove]

I'm very excited for this device.

[faint loom]

Minimum 999 US$ and maybe another Version for 1099US$

[lapis dawn]

At those prices it will be DOA and only the most hardcore handheld enthusiasts will buy and this is coming from someone that bought a Go day one and uses it everyday.
At most it should be around $100 more than what the original model launch price

[plush acorn]

https://youtu.be/tCwhm72u9Ns

Some thoughts on the go 2 in this video

[gray wyvern]

There are people who will be spending 1500+ for a 5080 in the coming weeks… nothing is DOA anymore

[plush acorn]

True, I think some of these handhelds are pricy, but then I remember gaming laptops cost far more on average and people buy those. I think the mental price barrier is just lower because people view a handheld as more of a niche use case.

[waxen mantle]

do you plan on reviewing/getting the G1? I pre-ordered just because i love that form factor, knowing full well I think the Go 2 will be the better purchase.

[plush acorn]

I don’t plan on buying it, no. The ridge and weight make it a bit suboptimal for handheld play

My budget can’t support buying too many boutique handhelds to review, heh

[waxen mantle]

fair, those are 2 things i'm fairly concerned about, i just find myself more comfortable holding handhelds like the win mini than a candybar.

[lapis dawn]

Comparing a RTX 5080 to a PC handheld is kind of silly

[gray wyvern]

I’m just saying that people will pay stupid amounts of money for products when they shouldn’t.

It’s not the older days anymore where a product could live or die just off its price, yeah anything $899+ is expensive but people will pay it if the product is good

[lapis dawn]

The Go 2 so far is at the top of the list and surprisingly so is the Claw 8 ( thought I would never say this 😅) makes me wonder what Asus is cooking with the Ally 2 .
I actually don’t mind the downgrade of the screen resolution with the Go 2 , it just means more games will be playable at full screen resolution

[plush acorn]

Yeah, I think its still enough PPI to not be grainy, and the oled contrast makes things appear with more pop. 1200p with the z2 extreme should result in some lower end titles be playing natively, and AAAs with a moderate FSR preset, hopefully.

[lapis dawn]

Your not wrong but think there’s a point of pricing regular consumers won’t pay , I get the most hardcore of hardcore fans won’t even blink an eye at that price but everyday Mr Joe Shmoe will definitely have second thoughts and be like why not just buy a laptop at that price with Dgpu .

[plush acorn]

I feel like ASUS needs to release a device with bigger than 7" screen haha. I was originally all in on the ally for months, but after having bigger screen devices it's hard to go back.

[gray wyvern]

I’m 100% positive ASUS will release an 8” Ally using the same screen as the Claw and Go

The 7” and 8” were co-developed and my guess is the agreement between MSI and ASUS was that MSI got the 8” first and ASUS got the 7” first

[versed goblet]

Lenovo be like

https://tenor.com/view/dynamic-wack-dw-pointing-finger-gif-24505958

[stark ginkgo]

gaming laptops have dGPUs

handhelds are just miniPCs with a gamepad/screen/battery tacked on

[plush acorn]

Ok, but even a laptop with a HX 365 and no dGPU is gonna be more than 1k.

I would imagine

[stark ginkgo]

yeah because you're overpaying for AI slop NPU investor bait, which is the whole point of the Z series chips - to not have to pay for that.

[plush acorn]

Y'all are picking apart everything i say with a fine toothed comb lol. I just meant to make generalized statements about comparitive costs. Not compare everything molecule by molecule haha.

Here's the 4 cheapest 32gb ram with amd 7000/8000/HX chip on Best Buy:

So yeah, hopefully the z2e with it's OEM pricing and driver support put ont he purchaser means cheaper costs.

I'm not saying it SHOULD cost that much, just that I wouldn't be surprised if its more than the 700-800USD we are used to on windows handhelds from ASUS/Lenovo/MSI

[rich star]

I hope if it's too expensive for me that the controllers are sold separately and work well on other devices and are at least somewhat reasonable in price

[versed goblet]

Well also we don’t want it to go the way of phones. Once one brand began pricing their phones above £1000 they all started doing it. But jokes on them less people are changing their phones on a yearly basis now. So i would hope they keep these handhelds under 1000

[plush acorn]

They probably will sell separately, they do now for the go 1 controllers. But it's like.. $128 plus tax for the pair. Not exactly cheap

[gray wyvern]

You’ve also got the cost of miniaturization as well. It always goes up the smaller the form factor is

[lapis dawn]

If I had to guess a same specced GO 2 like the Claw 8 will be similar priced , personally not in a hurry to upgrade and will wait for sales and reviews,hopefully Asus reveals the ALLY 2 sooner rather than later to see what that brings to the table

[celest cove]

you won't believe this but Ayaneo 3 with 32gigs is now out for 899 on igg

you guys have got to stop swallowing these giant imaginary price tags like they're obvious. Demand more from vendors. More from them for your money, not less

[gray wyvern]

$1099 “MSRP” and it’s also not using a custom display. The display is where the Go price will go high

[celest cove]

Nobody cares about the details that rationalize the huge price tags. It's strictly unimportant. We shouldn't pay >1k for a glorified ultra low voltage laptop

[gray wyvern]

🤷

[celest cove]

Ayaneo always overprices msrp btw. but launching at 899 validates the bigger vendor launching at that price as msrp

[gray wyvern]

My guess is the display and mechanics behind the controllers will drive the price up. But we will see. $899 is a hope, $999 is what I anticipate

[celest cove]

I actually hope for $799

even that is way higher than what I can get the lego 1 for

[gray wyvern]

LeGo 1 is a device no one should buy unless you absolutely must have the detaching controllers

Speakers and controllers are unjustifiably bad. Add to that the poor software support and bad software design, super loud whiny fans

I saw someone saying the Go S speakers aren’t super good either 💀😭😭

[void niche]

The Le-Go launched at $699/$749, and the S is $729. I'd expect the 2 to be landing in the $799-849 range. The handheld market is getting competitive enough that I don't think they can go crazy on the pricing and expect to sell well.

[celest cove]

I agree with this

[celest cove]

This is almost never a factor in terms of how well they choose to price a refreshed model. Public opinion on which prices are acceptable is a bigger factor, perhaps the biggest.

Let me tell y'all a little secret: If the price you're seeing is a nice round number like $899, there's a high enough margin there for them to make unnecessary extra cash off of you. If the price you're seeing is some disgusting number like $637.68, it's probably slimmed to the lowest point possible. Or at least the product of a lot of negotiation.

none of you should accept prices over $1k for a device that isn't a fully fledged desk/laptop

[versed goblet]

https://youtu.be/dcDAd8NtPuM?si=hKRqpnLUFrBa9pDW

Once again confirming VRR

As well as native landscape again

[gray wyvern]

Native landscape is such a stupid term… it’s called horizontal lol

Native landscape makes it sound like they did with the Go 1 where it’s default state is flipped from portrait as it’s “native” state

[versed goblet]

Well thats basically it. They are portrait screens in their “native” state. So using software tricks makes them “native landscape”. So they are not wrong using that term

It just helps with retro pc games. That have trouble with modern displays

[gray wyvern]

No they aren’t native portrait displays. In order for VRR to be on the panel the display is a horizontal panel, no software trickery

That’s what started all the confusion with the Go 1. The dude kept saying “native landscape” over and over and over. And all he was saying was when you boot it up, it is landscape.

But the panel display driver was on the right side of the display because it was a portrait panel

[void niche]

Awesome. VRR is a really great addition to any device like this where you're always going to be trading off performance vs. battery life.

[gray wyvern]

It is insane to me that Ben is the US handheld rep for Lenovo and he has not had a hands on with the Go 2

[versed goblet]

Well im not an expert. So i will take your word for it. But in regards to my Win4. It is a portrait screen but they used a specialised chip to make it a native landscape. So it can be done

[gray wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/office-space-paul-lee-wilson-gary-cole-what-do-you-do-job-interview-gif-4457028

[gray wyvern]

Yeah so the Win4 is a special one. They actually did put a hardware chip on it to swap the orientation. It doesn’t have VRR but it does improve compatibility with applications

Lenovo and pretty much everyone else use a portrait panel and just tell Windows to rotate it. You can even see it in Display Settings, it says Landscape Flipped lol

Oh lawd… the speakers on the go 2 are “bigger” and they are looking into Nahimic

TLDR they are still gonna suck

[lapis dawn]

That’s the only minus for the Go 2 so far keeping the top firing speakers , still better than bottom firing as they don’t get potentially blocked/covered as much but still not great placement

[gray wyvern]

Nope

Bottom > top

Front >>>>>>>>>>> either

The only time bottom speakers could get covered are when it’s used on a desk… but these are “handhelds” so the speakers should be placed in ideal positions for that use case. Front or bottom. Top is the worst of all beside putting them on the back, which honestly they are liable equivalent lol

[lapis dawn]

Just my opinion even if you disagree especially the way I use my handhelds most of the time which is lying down propped on a pillow or on my chest and will respectfully very much still think bottom firing speakers are worse than top

[void niche]

Agreed. I’ll often have it resting on something, so the bottom is the worst place for the speakers

[versed goblet]

Same i rest my current go on my chest when laying down

[celest cove]

I'll probably get this device on some sorta black friday deal

end of this year it should still be slammin'. I always say the gen 2 release of a concept is when the idea is rounded enough to actually buy into as someone with a Reasonable dispensable income.

[gray wyvern]

But even playing laying down the sound is still firing away from you

I just don’t get how that’s a superior method

🤷

[celest cove]

They could easily implement tablet-level speakers on the left-right corners of the front of the display. I would say that's all it would really need, considering in most situations it'd be played with BT headphones

Maybe it'd raise the price by too much, having to cut the glass and form the plastic nicely enough to make it elegant.

[lapis dawn]

It doesn’t get completely blocked when resting on a pillow or chest that way with bottom firing speakers, admittedly even top firing they aren’t that great but at least they dont get muffled or blocked

[gray wyvern]

If should have had speakers in the controllers in addition to the tablet.

That would fix everything

[celest cove]

idk, maybe that's too much? When you're swinging one around as a mouse it seems weird. Also moving audio over the bluetooth connection would add latency.

[gray wyvern]

More latency than the controller connection to begin with?

They already have a low latency solution when disconnected, and connected is a hardware connection so latency shouldn’t even be an issue

[celest cove]

I'm assuming one would expect the audio to run whilst detached

to have good audio quality while gaming you'd need to use low latency bt modes which're lower quality and still have lag.

wired (connected) mode would be fine

so if they don't work while disconnected, which is the likely scenario if the dev doesn't want to put significant time into making that a feature, it should have backup speakers on board to be able to have any audio, which... kind of defeats the purpose

[gray wyvern]

Why wouldn’t defeat the purpose. If the speakers in the controllers still worked while connected it would give the handheld a better experience while handheld lol

[celest cove]

also there are plenty of examples of speakers in the handle portions of the device like the KTR1, RP5, GPD Win4, all of those have the same issues, you end up fatfingering the speakers while gaming

[celest cove]

yeah but again this product plays on the whole switch form factor gimmick

[gray wyvern]

ROG Ally, Steamdeck, Claw… all of them have them in the handle portions and it’s fine. All of the ones you just listed are micro devices

[celest cove]

wouldn't call them micro, I'd call GKD pixel, miyoo mini micros

regardless the problems introduced by putting it in the handle portion of a device with detachable handles are solved way easier by sticking them where they are seen now

it's just not optimal. I'd say optimal is tablet placement, on the left/right, or on the top left/right or bottom left/right of the screen

[gray wyvern]

Hard disagree lol but I supposed this is just an area where everyone disagrees.

I’m gonna laugh when the speakers still suck and people somehow try to justify it though

[celest cove]

i mean shitty tablet speakers don't make an iPad unacceptable and bajillions of ppl use those

who gives a fuck, slap on some earbuds

you won't be running it full blast in your living room with a bunch of people around you trying to do shit anyway.

asking for a sublime audio experience on a device you'd be playing in the office or on your commute or in public places is kinda wild

most people discussing these high end handhelds already have sickass desktop setups that'd at least just run it docked when at home.

[gray wyvern]

Wdym, iPads have pretty good speakers

Wait, have you used a Go at home before?

[glass flicker]

I watched a Q&A video with the North American product manager for the legion go 2 and he said they definitely improved the speakers from the original, now whether it's good enough now or not is a different question

Unfortunately because of the removable controls they are unable to put them on the front face

It's also probably why they won't be able to put an 80 wh battery

It's the first device with OLED, landscape and VRR though so it's automatically a home run provided it works without issues

https://youtu.be/dcDAd8NtPuM

Timestamp for when they talk about speakers is around 10 minutes 20 seconds

[stark ginkgo]

it also literally has a kickstand

how I would use it 90% of the time is as a tablet on a desk with that kickstand

[noble folio]

Ok .. noob pc gamer / handheld gamer question? .. in the event I upgrade from the Legion go one how or what is the most effective way to transfer game data? Files .. user set up etc to new legion go 2 .. pretty much want what I got going on on the new device with LiL to no effort. Can it be done? If so, how?

[gray wyvern]

On a table with bottom firing speakers is almost better than the other options because it can bounce.

Literally only sitting on a soft blanket, pillow, clothing is worse

[stark ginkgo]

they should put little ears on top above the speakers to redirect the audio to the front

shape them like cat ears

[manic rune]

If only I had a 3D printer ...

[void niche]

Oh, they exist: https://www.printables.com/model/741095-lenovo-legion-go-speaker-enhancer/files

[manic rune]

I'm not actually surprised someone already gave the Go ears.

(I mean ... I don't need them personally. Just undoing Lenovo's stupid eq settings made the speakers at least usable. But I understand why they exist.)

[void niche]

The whole speaker thing is a bit overblown IMO. With software/EQ changes, they're fine, and in the same general quality bucket as other tablets and gaming systems I've used.

Definitely not a strength the way the Ally's are, but perfectly usable for games. And no built-in speaker is going to compare to the quality I would get from headphones or plugging into a real speaker system.

[celest cove]

I don't think this is true. It's just an engineering challenge. Much smaller devices have front facing speakers despite a bunch of other shit occupying every corner of the device. The Go 2 is enormous compared to those

[glass flicker]

Right but the entire device is the tablet or the screen portion plus the removable controls. You obviously cannot put a speaker on a screen, and putting it on the controller portion that's removable is quite challenging to say the least.

[stark ginkgo]

I'd support making the device slightly wider if that would get us speakers in between the screen and the controllers

[celest cove]

there are plenty of examples of implementations for front facing speakers on "all-screen" tablets/phones, including way smaller ones where the bezels at the front take up an even smaller percentage of the device real-estate.

Including a couple of Lenovo phones, razer phone, rog phones, etc

it's an engineering challenge. All the dev team needs to do is adapt those designs to solve this issue. But I guess it was not seen as so critical. cost vs time

[gray wyvern]

Yeah, it’s already huge

Or just put a set in the controllers and use the tablet speakers when detached and the controller ones when attached if latency is an issue

[plush acorn]

Agree. Yeah the deck and Ally sound better but if you take off the crappy factory eq curve and maybe dial your own in a bit they are ok.

If they improve then to sound better I can live with them being on top.

[celest cove]

I subbed to you btw I liked your reporting on CES

[plush acorn]

Thanks. Not many people watched those videos lol

[celest cove]

Well keep at it you'll gather traction naturally

I felt like your takes there were more refined than here in the best way.

like you heard the discourse and took it to that platform in a way. that's good

[plush acorn]

My thoughts on discord are certainly more raw and unorganized lol

[faint loom]

Ye i saw it. My pricing is 100% accurate xD. Hell maybe it will be even worse.

[celest cove]

'sall good it's what it's for

how does ces work do you get a ticket for it or is it invite

[plush acorn]

As a digital content creator you can register for free as long as you have a certain number of viewers per month on your channel.

There’s different guidelines for different types of media

Then there’s all the attendees that are “industry.” They pay to get in. But I believe they still to prove some sort of affiliation with a tech company or whatever.

[celest cove]

cool, I see

[stark ginkgo]

I'm still on the fence about go gen 2

going from 1600p to 1200p is a huge downgrade for my purposes (mostly indie and retro games rather than modern titles)

but oled + vrr together is huge

[lapis dawn]

I’ll be honest I really don’t mind the resolution downgrade as you’ll probably play more games at native resolution, I usually play games at 800p and really don’t mind …lol
I might be in the minority but I’ll take a slightly lower res for OLED VRR every time .
I do get why people like the current screen resolution as it makes games look extremely sharp but unfortunately not many newer AAA can run at that high a resolution without cranking up the wattage .

[stark ginkgo]

for me I want the 1600p for CRT emulation

so definitely an edge case compared to most buyers

[lapis dawn]

Understandable

But if your use case is mostly indie and retro games do you really need to upgrade

[stark ginkgo]

this is also true

basically right now I'm continually torn between the 1080p oled on the RP5 vs the 1600p LCD on my y700 for emulation

I was hoping the go 2 would give me a 1600p oled for the best of both worlds before the spec reveal

[lapis dawn]

I know OLED VRR and bigger battery are amazing upgrades but might be a side grade in your case

[stark ginkgo]

well I don't have a go 1, I have a y700 android tablet with the same screen as the go 1, an rp5, and an ally X

[lapis dawn]

Go 1 you can find really really cheap now some amazing deals now

[stark ginkgo]

yeah but then I'd be in the same high res vs oled debate the rp5 vs y700 has me in now

[lapis dawn]

[stark ginkgo]

part of me is like 'screw it, ipad pro with that gorgeous tandem oled, nevermind that you're paying for an m4 but still can't emulate anything with a dynarec due to iOS security policy'

I mean it's the highest quality screen available on the consumer market by a not insignificant margin, I just wish it had a 'pro mode' or 'desktop mode' to run full macOS since it's using the same damn CPU as a macbook

[glass flicker]

The original go with the new controllers might be the right play for you if you want to focus on indie games specifically.

[glass flicker]

You know up until now I always thought the removable controls was a feature I just wouldn't use cuz it's just not important to me but I thought of a really great use case for it. You can buy one of those tablet stands and put the center part of the legion go in it with the controls removed and play in bed without having to hold it.

Wouldn't work with any of the other PC handhelds for obvious reasons

Also apparently this thing was confirmed to have 74wh battery? I definitely missed that detail

This thing will be expensive but it seems to check all the boxes

[void niche]

Yup. I've been doing just that for the last year, and evangelizing it at every opportunity.

[stark ginkgo]

I do that with a y700 tablet

but obviously I'm not doing PC games that way

[manic rune]

I sometimes sit the original LeGo on my desk with the built-in kickstand like it's a little monitor and play with the controls detached and hooked together (got a plastic connector for them) almost like you'd do with a Switch.

[plush acorn]

Mechanism gaming pillow

Hands at my sides with the controllers

[manic rune]

Testing out AFMF 2 on the original Go using my "controller". LeGo 2 needs to keep a proper kickstand:

[celest cove]

Are the sticks on the original Go replaceable?

if so, is it a standard stem shape that's the same as other devices

[plush acorn]

still has one

[plush acorn]

The tops/shafts do detach, if that's what you're asking

The stem shape I'm not sure I've seen before. Kinda shaped like retroid/AYN but bigger

[celest cove]

mmm

still good news because ppl can 3d print custom ones

easier to make really good shapes this way

[plush acorn]

Pretty sure someone (Kira) already has some custom sticks available to print

[autumn urchin]

We didn't deserve the Nvidia shield tablet. It was an underappreciated gem

[spring isle]

I'm leaning to Legion Go 2 as my next PC handheld. They more i think about it is mainly play in bed and the Go 2 with detachable controllers would suit me better in bed. Also unlike my retro handhelds I find with PC games I want a bigger screen

[trim ledge]

The specs look insane, I’m concerned about the weight

But the Lego 1 has become my favorite pc handheld

[glass flicker]

I'm mainly concerned about the speakers and the d-pad

Otherwise it looks amazing

[stark ginkgo]

I’d actually be impressed if they didn’t manage to improve those lol

[gray wyvern]

Judging by the Go S speakers I doubt they are anything but louder.

Huge miss

[void niche]

The d-pad at least looks like a big improvement, as the stock D-pad was awful.

[trim ledge]

i dont mind the xbox dpad attachment, i just dislike how clicky it is in general...

[plush acorn]

I wonder about the go s speakers. The go has a bad eq curve spires from factory. Wonder if the s also has one? Idk why they shot themselves in the foot like that if so. Guess I’ll find out firsthand in a couple weeks.

[manic rune]

Yeah ... I don't get why Lenovo shot themselves in the foot with that default eq setting. I mean - the speakers aren't GOOD on the original LeGo. But they're not nearly as bad as the default settings make them sound.

[plush acorn]

Yeah. Like who qced final design and was like “oh yeah this eq sounds great!”

[long panther]

THERE HAS BEEN A LEGION GO 2 THIS WHOLE TIME???

my lord it's magnificent

It does everything I could have asked for

How come this whole thing lost all traction?

[lean lance]

peeps were so disappointed with legion go s launch that they stopped paying attention to lenovo

[long panther]

the very least 50% better battery life, oled screen, more power

flat back

what could you even ask here?

if you don't like the controls u can even use a g8+

[lean lance]

well, I could ask for a lighter weight lol

950g from the CES unit is too much. 1079g listed on the specs sheet is comical

[long panther]

950 with controllers?

that's 100 grams heavier than previously

it was already a heavy handheld

[lean lance]

yeah even go 1 was pushing it for me

[gray wyvern]

Because Lenovo pulled a MSI and announced it too early

I’m sure hype will build back up around Q3 when this thing is expected but then the trail will derail when they announce the MSRP over 1100

[versed goblet]

I wonder if they have an exclusive deal on that OLED VRR panel and wanted to rub it in other brands faces early. So if people saw any new products from Asus, MSI etc potentials buyers would go “ah, but this doesnt have OLED VRR. I will wait for the Go 2” etc

[long panther]

outside the weight issues it really seems like it's gonna be the best pc handheld as of now

[versed goblet]

Some may complain about speakers as they are upward facing. But it doesnt really bothered me

[gray wyvern]

And price

And Legion Space

And the speakers

Don’t count out Lenovo from making a really nice package with boneheaded decisions that ruin it lol

[long panther]

lets wait for russ

if it's good I'm gonna wait for it

if it's bad Ima just buy the og legion go

[trim ledge]

The legion 1 speakers are assssssss

[lapis dawn]

This thread is still active?
Did we get some news on the Go 2 I might of missed ?
It's kind of strange we haven't heard anything from Lenovo or even ASUS about Z2E hardware

Youd think they would want it not to be forgotten because the Go S seems like a dud so far

[lapis dawn]

They aren't particularly great but it's more because they are top firing and in the wrong position than anything else

[long panther]

They are? Isn't it like stereo?

[gray wyvern]

I think Z2E is gonna launch with the Xbox handheld from ASUS late summer with the Go 2 launching in Sept/Oct

[gray wyvern]

Take two Nokias from the early 2000s and tape them together, same experience

[long panther]

I guess headphone gaming is a save from the grace

[long panther]

Do you guys think Lenovo will fix the weight issues of the prototype go 2?

the og was already a hefty fella

[lapis dawn]

Not sure how if they keep the giant battery shown with the prototype, maybe Im in the minority but I didn’t think the original Go was that heavy

I really want a big battery rather than shave sone weight but if they could do both than it’s a win win

[proper quest]

I mean I'm not really sure what they can remove without getting rid of functionality

The legion go is heavy because of the screen and the batteries in the controllers, and now they're adding a bigger battery

Only so much you can do to fix that tbh

[glass flicker]

This thing is looking like a monster and like it might be the best PC handheld of 2025 and probably the first half of 2026. It seems Lenovo is actually listening to feedback and incorporating it and doing a huge generational improvement across the board not just a small minor incremental upgrade. Things that are rumored to be better compared to the original legion go:

• better CPU, Z2E isn't a huge performance upgrade but still any is welcome, probably 10 to 15% performance gains but it's not the real reason you buy this
• 8.8in 1200p 144hz OLED VRR panel, the true selling point and an end game panel provided there's no issues
• massive battery increase from 49wh to 74wh. Not as big as the Ally X but still a huge improvement and certainly large enough, meaning battery size is no longer a deal breaker for most people
• 16gb of RAM to 32gb. 32 is the sweet spot & doubling this is a massive improvement
• vastly more ergonomic, rounded off grips & added texture as well as a redesign of the button locations
• improved d-pad especially for fighting games, will likely be the same d-pad as the legion go s or something very similar. The original legion go d-pad was in my opinion pretty much and practically unusable for retro or heavy 2D titles, the new one should be serviceable
• maintains a lot of the great features that people love about the original such as the kickstand and the removable controls
• improved speakers? Still the one sticking point and possible issue. We know they are aware that the original speakers are not good and they have said that they have improved them or are improving them but to what extent and how we are unsure but hopefully they are brought to a respectable level. This might be the Achilles heel of an otherwise almost perfect device, reviews will determine

Only thing I'm not looking forward to is the price, because it's definitely going to be more than $800 unfortunately. I'm crossing my fingers for $900 cuz I really don't want to see 1k

[long panther]

yeah fuck no

used legion gos are 430 dollars on fb marketplace

I don't think bigger battery and oled screen warant a 2 times price increase for me

maybe in 1-2 yrs I'll be interested

[long panther]

great analisis though

it could very much be the best handheld on the market

[lapis dawn]

You can't really compare buying something used to something upgraded and brand new , obviously the new thing will be more expensive but to say it's double the price is being disingenuous.
Compare prices of the original Go when released not a year later , saying that I very much agree with @glass flicker
If it's closer to 1K not as many will be interested and personally think it will cost the same as the MSI Claw 8 ( I also think the Claw 8 will go on sale when the Go 2 or Ally 2 release so win win all around)

[gray wyvern]

Based on the price of the Go S, I’d wager the Go 2 will easily clear $1k

The Go S Z1E is $829 lol, the Go 2 will be $1099 or $1199 I’d bet

Especially with the Z2E that is rumored to be very expensive and the larger custom OLED panel

[long panther]

I know, I'm just expressing my point of view

I would never actually buy any of the pc handhelds brand new

[lapis dawn]

That's a entirely different subject and I can see the advantage of being patient to save money but it's not a really fair comparison.

If the Go 2 does cost 1k+ I will probably do the same and wait for sales too

[gray wyvern]

My guess is part of the reason Lenovo is raising prices is so sales look better

[muted galleon]

What is the expected weight of this?

[gray wyvern]

Over 1000g I think I saw last

I think the prototype was a little over 1k, so maybe the final production one will be right at or near it assuming a little less weight with final production stuffs

[glass flicker]

The prototype was 1,079 grams, but we don't know if that's going to be accurate

Something I think is really cool with the removable controls though, if you're like playing this thing in bed or something you can remove the controls, use the kickstand and set it to the side and you can play games with the controls like under your covers without having to hold it up

This is definitely a feature I have undervalued in the past

Also when the inevitable legion go 3 comes out if they improve the controls further you can probably get a pair and use it with the go-2

[long panther]

I really hope the very least it wont be much heavier than the og legion go

never held a legion go before but a whole kilo sounds a bit much

[manic rune]

You can get a lot of mileage out of the original LeGo's kickstand and a controller connector. Basically play like a Switch, but with a usable kickstand instead of that flimsy crappy kickstand on the OG Switch. Me, I don't mind holding the original LeGo - but if you're sitting at a desk the kickstand option is great.

If what we know about the specs of the LeGo2 are true, I want this thing so damned bad. SELL IT TO ME, LENOVO!

[celest cove]

is there a release date for this?

[lapis dawn]

Nope

[glass flicker]

All we know is this year, they're going to want it out comfortably ahead of holiday season so probably fall I would say probably around August or September is most likely

[proper quest]

I'm buying it day one 🐈

[glass flicker]

Well Russ liked the dpad and abxy buttons on the Go S, seemed to pass the Contra/fighting game test. Buttons seem glossy, flat, with minimal travel and seem to be rubber membrane. This is relevant because the Go 2 will likely reuse these parts. I'm less confident about the analog sticks being the same.

Only thing i'm really worried about now is the speakers

[subtle shoal]

Man I hope so. My baby's due in October and I really want it in hand and set up before we enter that terrordome

[long panther]

make this thing lighter than the original go and we can talk

[subtle shoal]

What kind of black magic do you expect Lenovo to possess to be able to make device with a battery that's almost double the size as before become lighter?

[long panther]

Technological advancements 🏙️

Like seriously how can you justify using it in handheld mode if it's over a kilo?

[proper quest]

By holding it

[long panther]

[subtle shoal]

By the aounds of it from ppl who held the prototype at the showcase, the weight balance seems to be well spread out and they didn't notice the extra weight

[long panther]

I never owned a legion go so maybe I'm wrong

[proper quest]

The weight of the Legion Go has never really bothered me tbh

[long panther]

but I've heard people say as you hold it for too long it gets heavier and heavier

[subtle shoal]

It's not great if you're laying fully back and holding it above your face but idk who would willingly do that

[long panther]

I love how I just revived this chat by complaining about weight

yeah it's gonna be good

but you know what I'm more interested in?

all the legion go prices will be dropping like flies

Maybe I'll be able to get one for 400 dollars

[lean lance]

lmao kinda where I'm at too

the release of this handheld would make me buy the predecessor

and there's that 75Wh battery mod, though I can't speak to its legitimacy since it's so new

[manic rune]

My OG LeGo was $499 in November and it was worth every cent. Very nice device.

[long panther]

u bought it used?

[gray wyvern]

It was $500 from like Nov 1 till mid December

Brand new

[long panther]

god damn

that's pretty fucking sick

[plush acorn]

I didn’t ever really hold it up unsupported for long sessions. Always rested using kickstand on something.

[gray wyvern]

The comfort was always my issue with the Go, not really the weight

Those controllers are awfully designed

[long panther]

that's why u gotta use the g8+

[subtle shoal]

The new V2 controllers are backwards compatible with original LeGo, if that's worth anything to you.

[gray wyvern]

Yeah but at that point you are probably better off getting something else. Unless you already own a Go.

I think each side controller for the OG is $100

[subtle shoal]

Really? that's wild

but yeah only would consider if already an owner

[gray wyvern]

Yeah and people thought the Switch controllers were expensive lol

[plush acorn]

Yeah the Lego 1 controllers are 60-70 usd a pop iirc

Right side more expensive cuz mouse I guess

[glass flicker]

Buy some 10, 15, and 20 lb weights and take 5 minutes a day to lift them 🗿

Weight is a skill issue

[void niche]

Sure, but that's the same for all of these systems. I felt the same way about the Steam Deck, and the ROG Ally. The Go is even more so, but not enough to matter all that much. The difference is, that now if I'm settling in for an hour+ session, I'll detach the controllers and position the screen at a comfortable level, so it's a non-issue.

[long panther]

okay honestly after getting a steamdeck my perslective changed completely

the steamdeck feels so light in my hands

I would imagine the legion go wouldn't feel heavy either than

[spring isle]

For me the Deck felt unwieldy even rhe heavier Ally X felt way more comfortable for me due to how compact it is

[worthy edge]

It's working well for me still

[long panther]

I dunno if I should do it to my own all

on one hand I woukd basically get an ally x for cheaper

but all that money could have gone into a powerbank

that you can also use for anything else

not just for ur ally

[spark robin]

I do that. I have a 25000 mah powerbank with 100w charging that I use with my laptop. Means basically unlimited power for the handheld without adding to the weight of the device

[long panther]

Do yall think a 950gram handheld is too heavy? I'm thinking of using the g8+ with the legion go for better controls.

[subtle shoal]

The gram number alone kinda doesn't tell the whole story sometimes, a well balanced 1000g device can sometimes feel easier to handle than a 800g device that has the battery in a weird spot or something you know

[long panther]

yeah I just held one of my 1kg weights I have at home

and it felt so heavy

and picking up the rog ally felt like a feather after that

Okay, this is huge and changes my opinion significantly

I placed my switch on top of my rog ally without joycons

around 960 grams

felt completely fine

which means