Retroid Pocket 5

[unreal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-family-guy-family-guy-sad-moment-brian-death-death-gif-19315370

[split island]

you're literally just listing out all the generally popular devices at various price points. most people here know exactly what they want from their handheld and skipped over these devices for a reason. it's not a helpful recommendation

[unreal brook]

i mean if someone gave specific requirements

it tends to be easier to recommend something that ISN'T like a mm+/odin 2/steam deck

like if someone lets say

talked on a subreddit about wanting good GBA

and thats mostly all they'll play

[hallow sage]

the realest comment

so far

[unreal brook]

then yea a recommendation for like a pocket micro and rg351p would probably come out on top

or 35xx sp for aesthetic reaqsons

but what i am specifically saying is

[red lantern]

https://fixvx.com/emudeck/status/1828809853646614977?s=46&t=xey908uKTf4f4JC1PGIhbw ... Well shi-

[hallow sage]

someone pin it so we can check in two years

[hollow trail]

What’s coming

[red lantern]

Emudeck Android

[hallow sage]

ew a 351p is nowhere in league with an aya micro lol

[unreal brook]

if someone's like "Oh yea I want a good handheld that plays ps2/gc for under 200$" then obviously something like a rp4p would get recommended

[unreal brook]

yea but its way cheaper and used to be the main go-to recommendation

its obviously outdated

[hollow trail]

Just been using esde

[unreal brook]

but its still 3:2 screen that plays gba fine

[paper vortex]

Your time has come. A storm is coming. Our storm. And when it arrives, it will shake the universe. Anbernic ...we come for you!!

[hallow sage]

not just outdated but bad design anyways

[unreal brook]

hence the point of recommendations

as long as you specify WHY you recommend something

it can still be a good recommendation

[restive minnow]

Storm is cominggggggg

[split island]

nobody was asking for recommendations lol. you seem to really just love saying "why not just get [insert popular device]" whenever anybody brings up something for a niche use case without considering why they haven't already discounted the popular device

[unreal brook]

well

the convo started when i was kinda talking about how retroid/ayn could improve their devices in the future and 120hz was brought up and i said that sounded pretty niche for android

[hollow trail]

Yeah the original comparison was the evo to what could be the Odin 3. Not sure how we ended up at the pocket micro

[hollow trail]

No one is suggesting to get the evo or an ayaneo product but you asked what ayn could improve. Yet you were not aware 120hz panels serves any purpose outside of retro gaming lol

[hallow sage]

basically fruit loops is trying to argue that ayaneo devices like the micro are only designed to do one thing at a time. and this makes them a poor choice for ppl who might want to play more than one type of game

[split island]

yea...and the you recommended the steam deck...

[paper vortex]

Somewhere the point was made that >60Hz refresh wasn't exactly niche for Android devices. Maybe for retro emulation SPECIFICALLY, but not for Android devices in general?

[unreal brook]

i was saying that if it was a 120hz screen that costed similar to a steam deck and that was the main improvement

[split island]

why is that even a comparison you need to make?

[unreal brook]

then unless you wanted it specifically for streaming/screen/android then a odin 2/steam deck would of made more sense

[hallow sage]

and that they are priced worse than less premium devices that technically may be able to achieve more but will do it all at the cost of the thing that the ayaneo does quite well

[split island]

didn't multiple people list those three reasons as why they want a high refresh rate screen?

[unreal brook]

yes

[paper vortex]

Question: Is input latency in Android tied to the screen refresh rate?

[unreal brook]

it might be iirc?

I dont know about 60hz content

[void swift]

Waiting until the specs are revealed, but honestly this thing and the Odmini seem likely to be occupying the same space unless one is much better or much cheaper than the other. I was debating grabbing an Odin 2 mini, but am going to wait and see what the price and performance of this thing is before pulling the trigger.

[wicked ibex]

just get a deck bro

[hallow sage]

i think fruit loops might be missing a core point, just because a devices specializes in a certain type of game doesn't mean it won't do the other things, or will do them inherently poorly. i.e: just bc an ayaneo micro for example, will be one of the better gba experiences by design, it doesn't mean it will be a bad console for android/psp/nds & older games

[unreal brook]

idealistically the point i was making is that odin 2 is pretty much endgame for android, as a lot of its limitations come from android software'

[hollow trail]

It’s not end game that screen is ass

[paper vortex]

I ask because that might be another reason to want higher refresh rates.

[unreal brook]

as you go for more and more improvements

it starts to become more and more niche

[hallow sage]

and vice versa, just bc a device can do a lot of different things doesn't mean it will do any one of them better than the device that might specialize in a few or one of those game types

[unreal brook]

since you can't just slap on a good chipset

[mellow yew]

is there any reason a 120Hz panel on an android device couldn't be used for black frame insertion on 60fps emulation? asking because I'm not super familiar with android as far as retro gaming is concerned and that seems like it'd be an absolute win scenario

[hollow trail]

120hz is not niche

Lol

[split island]

it's pretty standard now a days

[hollow trail]

120hz is a modernized device

[split island]

like i would want it just to make the menus look nice

[hallow sage]

this is a good question

[paper vortex]

For the current state of emulation on Android, the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 is pretty much endgame ... but it needs a better screen / higher refresh rate to go with it.

[hallow sage]

i should check

[unreal brook]

120hz on a handheld that is primarily used for emulation by a good chunk of the community would make less people upgrade over lets say going from sd845 to sd8 gen 2

[silent veldt]

it was available in RA, but the feature was removed

[unreal brook]

is more of the point i'm trying to make

like there'll obviously be people who really want 120hz

[red lantern]

Yeah, last I checked, BFI isn't on Android anymore

[unreal brook]

but since we're at the endgame from a power perspective, its really trying every form factor under the sun like what anbernic does

[hollow trail]

“What can ayn improve” provides obvious linear improvements “nope too niche”

[paper vortex]

When I tested latency, I found that the Razer Edge responded significantly faster to inputs when refresh rate was set to 120Hz. Like ... faster than all my Linux handhelds. If that's general ... we ALL want high refresh rates on these new devices.

[hallow sage]

shame, i was about to boot it up and look for it

[split island]

you can manually turn it on by editing retroarch.cfg. they turned it off when people complained about it when turning it on for 60hz screens

[silent veldt]

lol

[unreal brook]

i mean if it costed like 450$ for those improvements for the same chipset as a sd 8 gen 2, a 120hz display would be targetting a more specific user base

[hollow trail]

Where did you make this number up from

?

[unreal brook]

like we all know what odin 2 can improve would be with its screen

[hallow sage]

if i had a nickel for all the times user error was reported as bugs

[hallow sage]

is the price what makes it niche to you?

if the price is too high == niche ?

[unreal brook]

something can be more niche with a higher price yes

like if a rp4p costed the same as an odin 2

it would in fact

make it more niche than the odin 2

[hallow sage]

why

[hollow trail]

?

[unreal brook]

making its strengths/use cases more specific

[hallow sage]

so that is what it actually is for you

you meant to say use cases

not price

[unreal brook]

it can be a mixture of the two

[hallow sage]

what you have been trying to say this whole time is that specific use cases make a niche device

[unreal brook]

yea

[hallow sage]

and something that "does it all" is less niche

[unreal brook]

yes?!?

[hallow sage]

but there is no device that can do it all

so that is a non-argument

[silent veldt]

i wish this was a non-argument

[unreal brook]

but something that can accomplish more and cover more use cases will be a more common recommendation?

[hallow sage]

it is lol

[silent veldt]

seriously, go to off-topic

or anywhere else

[hallow sage]

i was just trying to figure out what they were trying to say

[hallow sage]

no u

:p

anyways this retroid looks like a odin 2 mini ate too many breakfast burrito

and mcflurry

[left sluice]

Clearly they need a flip to make it actually pocketable now

[paper vortex]

... I am very interested to see if Retroid is going to go 120Hz (or better) with the RP5. Particularly if it affects latency.

[thin igloo]

Pretty much

[unreal brook]

a specialist device will be more niche yes

[silent veldt]

omg

[unreal brook]

i dont know why its so hard to wrap around

[thin igloo]

I think depending on screen and specs this could be interesting

[red lantern]

Tbh, I can see RP5 being Odin 2 Mini for a lot of people who can't actually afford the device. Im actually happy with my O2 Mini, and while yeah, the screen isn't the best. It's still not bad at all (still better than the base O2 for sure)

[hallow sage]

it def has the correct abxy compared to o2mini

[red lantern]

But the RP5 is gonna hit alot of peoples sweet spot if the price is right

Which is the big thing

[unreal brook]

i dont know whats wrong with what i'm saying

[red lantern]

Will it hit that price

[paper vortex]

98 ms (RP3+) to 37 ms (120Hz Edge) would be a pretty huge win for the RP5.

[split island]

don't worry, nobody does

[red lantern]

Eh, never been too bothered by it, since I have to swap controller so much for local group sessions xD

[paper vortex]

O2 Mini is correct ABXY. It's an Android device.

[hallow sage]

fair, ik a lot of ppl prefer the non-traditional abxy

i just say it that way to be a goofy goober

[hollow trail]

I doubt it.. it’d be nice but it’s something I’m def hoping ayn will do for the o3. That would replace my oled deck for me

[red lantern]

Im more interesting in 2 thing rn: 1. How did Retroid get Snapdragon chips and these AMOLED screens? 2. SPECS PLEAAAAASE

Ik they said monday

[hallow sage]

maybe wherever Nothing got theirs

[red lantern]

But Monday too far

[hallow sage]

👀

my nothing has AMOLED 120Hz screen and it was only 399

[red lantern]

Tru, Nothing does have some quality screens

[paper vortex]

Surely some high refresh screens are coming into the pipeline that Retroid/Ayn are going to be using for upcoming devices. (Though a lot of them are probably not 16:9 ... which probably explains why the Razer Edge is as wide as it is.)

[hollow trail]

You could get a y700 with Ali coupons 1600p and 120hz for like $250 last week

[unreal brook]

i dont even know how ayn got a sd8 gen 2 for a 299$ device

[paper vortex]

(Offtopic - are the newer Y700 tablets going to be officially released in US at some point? Don't want to mess with Chinese Android install)

[unreal brook]

i thought you were saying H700

[red lantern]

I hope so

[unreal brook]

and were mistyping Y700

[hollow trail]

Yes

Priced way higher but after android 14 there seems to be region locking

[paper vortex]

Cool ... thanks. I want one - but I want official US release for something like this.

[hollow trail]

We’ll have to see what happens. Originally you could just flash the global rom onto the Chinese orders

[floral flower]

120Hz would be awesome especially for black frame insertion in retroarch

[hollow trail]

It’s a wonderful tab. Love mine

[floral flower]

but I don't see retroid pulling that off this time

[paper vortex]

Maybe for the RP6.

[red lantern]

Android RA doesn't have BFI

Unfortunately

[paper vortex]

Now that 120Hz is actually common, wonder if that sort of thing will be fixed.

[umbral flame]

Any concrete news on it other than the body?

[paper vortex]

Quick ... someone buy the Android REtroarch developers some new phones!

[paper vortex]

Nope.

[umbral flame]

Man they really couldn’t move those bottom sticks inward lol. They hate hands lol

[slow anchor]

what's that? is it a game changer

[paper vortex]

Conspiracy theory: It's so you need to buy grips.

[candid steeple]

They leaked a new device just to avoid giving more mini details today, we shouldn't expect anything concrete on this one just yet. 😄

[unreal brook]

itll be revealed next week prolly

[wary leaf]

Yes

[mellow yew]

it was mentioned a moment ago that this can be re-enabled manually in the cfg file

[wary leaf]

Next week we’ll know everything

[floral flower]

by inserting a black frame every other frame in 60fps games, it reduces motion blur to a minimum and improves screen latency. it will also give the screen a "CRT effect" which is honestly kinda difficult to describe if you're not seeing it in person

[high shadow]

Next will there will be a RP5 PRO

[split island]

one of the first steps in the android setup is language selection, and at that point you can just select english

[floral flower]

some may like that CRT effect, some may not

[paper vortex]

All will be revealed in the fullness of time. Well, unless you get hit by a car when you're leaving work today ... in which case you will never know exactly WHICH Snapdragon chip will be in the RP Mini.

[umbral flame]

Fuck retroid for this lmao

[paper vortex]

We called that flicker back in the day.

[slow anchor]

ouh sickk

[high shadow]

I am glad. I am not the only one annoyed by this "marketing"

[slow anchor]

i like crt filters, is the only android handheld that can do it so far the upcoming evo?

[candid steeple]

Just look for the global version on ali to avoid that issue, while the new y700 is getting a global release prices will be about double

[umbral flame]

I swear they are acting like they are Apple or some tech giant lol. I love retroid products but I don’t think this accomplishes as much as they think it does

[wicked ibex]

I know the real reason is probably because bezel on the inside and they didn't want to make the device any wider, but this crossed my mind

[high shadow]

It doesn't. I like when they teased the RP4 for a day. Then you got all the info. This is just lame. Taki level of stuff like the 199 days

[hollow trail]

The newest one is to have the 8g3

Which is what I’m guessing chemical was asking about

[floral flower]

assuming what was said about the retroarch cfg file is true, yeah the evo should be able to pull it off given its screen

[paper vortex]

I think the logic is the longer the "buzz" goes on the more likely people are to buy. But for some of us, it's just fatiguing. Like ... just announce the specs and open up preorders already. Don't matter how much buzz you generated, I'm not buying if the specs aren't sufficient for my needs.

[unreal brook]

Chris loves to hide specs only to reveal the worlds most underwhelming specs and treat it as hype lol

[hollow trail]

None of this is exciting for me either. Just drop the specs

[unreal brook]

Only time he didn’t do this was with the 4/4 pro which is a significant improvement

[wicked ibex]

To their credit, they usually cap the teasing to a week. The problem is we'll be at the 1 week point for the Mini tomorrow...

[high shadow]

Yep, he was very upset about the rp4 specs came out so fast.

[unreal brook]

Yea lmfao

Bro blue balls us like no tommorrow

[floral flower]

normally I'm indifferent to drip feed teasing if it's not expected to last that long, but if they're teasing two handhelds at the same time yeah that's exhausting

[calm grail]

im just waiting on takis fpgas

[silent veldt]

dragging it out just a little too long this time too

[high shadow]

I have preorders for the Micro and EVO. No info on these makes me think both will not over take either.

[calm grail]

but yea are they just going to alternate between RPMini and RP5 news?

[wicked ibex]

If they release everything on the Mini by Friday, fine. A little long in the tooth, but fine. If they go over then Chris can go fuck himself lmao

[slow anchor]

is it vertical?

[paper vortex]

Didn't people buy the hell out of the RP4P, though? So putting the specs out didn't hurt anything.

[unreal brook]

Yea

[high shadow]

yes

[calm grail]

im waiting on the flagship which is less a handheld and more of a desk portable lol

[unreal brook]

Idk not as exciting anymore because most people seem happy with rp4p

5 will be an obvious improvement

[slow anchor]

oh interesting, do you have a link for that

[unreal brook]

But it’s no longer got that hype for the chipset of “wow how well will this play gc/ps2”

We just assume it’ll play everything well and switch almost as well as an Odin 2 and call it a day

[wicked ibex]

The fact the 4 seems to have a better offset on the sticks than the 5 is really upsetting

[unreal brook]

Mini is fun to speculate because we don’t know how hard retroid is going to focus on making it high end

[velvet rock]

That’s not even non-traditional, it’s literally the first one, and Xbox wanted to feel special by keeping Sega’s layout long after they quit the console game.

[umbral flame]

Yeah that’s crazy to me

Especially since it will likely have a much stronger chip

[cinder spruce]

5 might keep using the same Dimensity 1100 (which is still good), while 5+ upgrades the chip.

[unreal brook]

Also because I’m probably getting it eventho 4:3 specialist is more niche

[calm grail]

his twitter but kinda waiting on more info... all we know is itll be a oled, something probably 9.7", PVM styled and have hdmi in/out, tapto support and....thats about it

lol

[umbral flame]

Like dawg, either make it ergo or that stick needs to go up top

Otherwise it really is for more grip sales lol

[paper vortex]

I really don't think 5 is going to be Dimensity at all.

[calm grail]

oh and it has a 50whr battery

[candid steeple]

they made such a song and dance about the mini being snapdragon that reverting on the rp5 would seem a little odd

[slow anchor]

theres no pics? or is it all still being announced

[calm grail]

still being announced,.... the first thing to come out is the triple stack

[paper vortex]

They're not going to do Snapdragon in Mini and then a "lower" chip in the RP5 which appears to be designed to the same standard of "premium"

[slow anchor]

thanks for info i had no idea something like this was even coming out

[cinder spruce]

As long as it's not Unisoc 🙄

[candid steeple]

That just seems like such a needless error

The mini even has a reasonable offset after all

[wicked ibex]

The Mini's is great, yeah. The best they've ever done

[unreal brook]

Yea

I think if it gets complained enough

Retroid will change it for sure

Just slightly change the design to make it lower

They’re pretty good with doing stuff like that

[velvet rock]

I’m still anticipating the Mini and the 5 to use the same Chipset and it’s the size that’s the difference. They realized the RP4 Base having a separate chipset was a waste of money in regard to buying a surplus of D900’s that end up unused, so they’re going for the Mini as the difference instead.

[unreal brook]

Kinda the main reason why I eventually come back to retroid after I stop dickriding them for awhile or making their spreadsheets

They kinda just fix things that people request at a pretty good pace

[wicked ibex]

you mean higher and closer to the screen right 👀

[candid steeple]

It needs to be more inset more than lower

[umbral flame]

If they use the same chipset then it would have to be like a snapdragon 888 minimum for it to be an improvement

[unreal brook]

I prefer sticks on top

Only thing about retroid I normally don’t like but it’s okay

[bold frost]

I dont know, man, you thumbs are positioned differently when holding rounded shape than rectangle

[unreal brook]

I usually game on sticks even for old systems

Because I’m used to controlling old games on it

[slow anchor]

i only want for higher end handhelds

[unreal brook]

But ik that’s just a gen z thing

[bold frost]

I think it might be very comfy in fact, just like on Vita

[unreal brook]

Not enough to be a dealbreaker

[velvet rock]

I’d say a Snapdragon equivalent to the D1100 or D1200 with a 5”-5.5” OLED screen would be enough of an improvement.

[unreal brook]

Yea higher end sticks should be on top

[candid steeple]

nope, not a gen z thing, they shouldn't be blamed for you being weird

[umbral flame]

I don’t think so for many

[wicked ibex]

Russ does that when he plays 2D shmups/bmups and it triggers the fuck out of me

[umbral flame]

Like it will likely be more expensive

[unreal brook]

Hey at least I don’t stretch 4:3 to 16:9

[umbral flame]

And you won’t get as many people upgrading

[cinder spruce]

Unfortunately mid-range Snapdragons have nerfed GPU

[slow anchor]

their sticks are so good, rg406 might have stick on top but will most likely be crappy ones

[paper vortex]

If you're REALLY old, gaming on sticks came first.

[candid steeple]

Everyone should get a cube for fullscreen psp. 😄

[velvet rock]

Which is where the Mini comes in if they can keep that thing less than $200 and the RP5 less than $240 or $250.

[calm grail]

you laugh but ive seen it so much lately....

[umbral flame]

The mini I can see having a weaker chip, the rp5 imo has to be stronger

[wicked ibex]

yeah but they were digital and microswitched like god intended

[paper vortex]

Sticks:

[unreal brook]

Mini is either same chip as 5 or a little weaker like going from 3+ to 2S

[wicked ibex]

Well, not those early console sticks...

[unreal brook]

I think they’re using a naming convention like the Odin series

[candid steeple]

Arcade-originated games do make sense with a stick, no reason to be "triggered"

[velvet rock]

A Snapdragon that’s equal to a D1100 will already be better than said D1100 simply from compatibility and driver support alone.

[calm grail]

pleasure devices circa 1984

[unreal brook]

It also fixes some 3ds and ps2 games automatically

And you can install drivers for Dolphin too

Honestly now that I own an Odin 2 I realized that I don’t actually like using it for switch lol

But I think it’s because I also own a steam deck oled and make terrible financial choices

[velvet rock]

I’m not saying a chipset directly weaker than D1100, I’m saying something equal to it or even only slightly stronger.

[calm grail]

switch always was a bonus for me on odin 2

[candid steeple]

sd7 for mini and sd8 for rp5 would be good combo

[paper vortex]

So basically SD888

[unreal brook]

Honestly doing sd7 gen 2 for mini and sd8 gen 2 for 5 makes a lot of sense

And is the way to go

[umbral flame]

lol 7 gen 2 would be wild

[unreal brook]

To ensure full compatibility of ps2/gc/wii on the mini

And switch for the 5

[high shadow]

SD888 gets go hot. It would be silly to put in a handheld.

[velvet rock]

I don’t see them getting the price lower than the Odin 2, and them selling the RP5 for $300 would be near suicide already, much less being more expensive due to that OLED screen.

[umbral flame]

With a fan it’s manageable

[unreal brook]

I mean if rp5 costs the same as base with same specs and oled and close to similar battery life

[bold frost]

I mean it would be less silly to put it in a handheld with active cooling than in a small phone with passive cooling

[candid steeple]

With qualcomm stuff you have to bear in mind driver support on older chips, that's one of the reasons why android phones have shorter support windows than iphone, they just stop getting support on newer os versions

[unreal brook]

It’ll probably be a good recommendation

I don’t know how pricey a 7 gen 2 is

I’m just speculating

[velvet rock]

My comment was out of caution for the idea of it being IPS on the RP5. OLED would likely make it more expensive.

[unreal brook]

I don’t think so

Oled 5-6 inch was super widely requested

Retroid always makes decisions on what’s most requested

That’s how they iterate devices

They aren’t anbernic lol

[red magnet]

Reducing bezels

[paper vortex]

Don't really have to worry about new OS versions on these handhelds. They never really get updates anyhow.

[unreal brook]

I mean obviously there’s ways to improve it

[velvet rock]

Is that lack of driver support including external community support?

[unreal brook]

Like I was kinda guessing next one would have oled/less bezels/possibly 120hz

It’s just that high end android emulation eventually is gonna turn into what the low spec market is like

50 different form factors and niche with the same power

[velvet rock]

Because I’m pretty sure I’ve only ever used drivers from that one GitHub page, I’ve never even looked into officially provided alternatives.

[bold frost]

because soon high end will become low end probably 😉

[unreal brook]

Yea

Actually maybe if winlator gets more dev time

Or switch 2 gets a good emulator assuming it’s on ARM

Maybe spec bumps will start mattering a few years from now

But rn it’s really not necessary to go past a 8 gen 2

[calm grail]

switch 2 will be arm... iirc they are still contracted with nvidia

[high shadow]

I had an S21 with a 888 in it. It would get super hot playing GBA games. Maybe active cooling might work a little. It just a very hot SOC. The s24 with an 8 Gen 3 hardly gets hot playing PS2

[unreal brook]

Yea

[umbral flame]

Shit I think ergos are requested lol

[unreal brook]

I don’t see how it wouldn’t

[umbral flame]

This still looks like hand cramp city

[calm grail]

it also makes sense for a backwards compat too

[unreal brook]

I’m talking Odin

Not rp5 we don’t know enough info

[velvet rock]

I really don’t expect Switch 2 to be anywhere close to possible, even if we get them to boot, considering what its performance is stated to be like.

[unreal brook]

Yea

It’ll be quite the while

Winlator looks to be the next step

[bold frost]

I dont know, TSP, Vita etc are very comfy to me even without the grips

[unreal brook]

But it’s mad hard to setup

[candid steeple]

Where do you think they originally get those from, there's only so much they can do in the future once there's nothing coming from QComm themselves, look at how some of the github releases state only for such and such

[bold frost]

rounded edges make all the difference

[velvet rock]

The whole reason we got away with Switch emulation is because of how weak the Switch is in comparison to other modern consoles of the time.

[high shadow]

Can some with pin rights pin the photos?

[paper vortex]

Winlator reminds me of getting games to work in the DOS era.

[bold frost]

and also its based on nvidia shield hardware which was android

[velvet rock]

We’re still barely doing 3D for PS4 emulation on PC, and Switch 2 is expected to be on that same level.

[marble cypress]

That is what keeps me from getting smaller devices like these 😭

[restive minnow]

Switch 2 arm would go crazy

[umbral flame]

Gotta sell those grips brah

Jokes aside, if they aren’t going ergo, I really want to see stick top

[wicked ibex]

oval shape is a miracle of comfort and pocketability

[velvet rock]

That’s the only reason we got away with the performance we already have (since NCE pulls a lot of weight on that), and it’s still not perfect on even Odin 2. Switch 2 I’d only expect once we start getting Snapdragon X Gen 2 or 3 chipsets optimized for phones.

[bold frost]

its very interesting how opinions vary here, some people are dissapointed that its too big and other that its too small xD

[restive minnow]

True only hopeful is wii u and winlator

[paper vortex]

I find the O2 Mini more comfortable for games like Borderlands than the OG Vita. So I guess count me on team "stick top" for more powerful devices.

[restive minnow]

Middle size always work🤭😏

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-cant-stop-laughing-gif-14341553

[bold frost]

obligatory:

[red lantern]

Honestly, it's nice to see. Let's more fun discussions thrive... until someone decides to say something off the cuff xD

[red lantern]

I funny enough find it more comfortable for PSP and Vita than the actual PSP and Vita.

[umbral flame]

Personally it felt kind of crazy to prioritize dpad in even the rp4 series

Rp3 and 2s it’s more fine

[high shadow]

Small button and sticks on a 5 plus inch handheld is silly

[bold frost]

its bigger so it makes sense 😄

[high shadow]

Also wanting a 5 plus inch handheld to be pocketable

[bold frost]

you are right but, GBA games on this amazing OLED screen are to going to be so awesome with dpad

[umbral flame]

This is confirmed oled?

[copper oar]

that happens on the 556 also

[high shadow]

Is the screen OLED?

[copper oar]

mini-led screen would be so funny

[bold frost]

its just speculation for now, but its safe to say

[unreal brook]

We don’t know but given retroid’s history they’re probably going with it

[umbral flame]

Speculating
Safe to say

Is kind of a funny sentence

[unreal brook]

With how widely requested it is

[bold frost]

otherwise they wouldnt promote it with coroful pukes (twirls) on screen

[high shadow]

Retriod has OLED handhelds?

[unreal brook]

I mean, there ARE safe guesses

Like guessing it’ll be stronger than d1100

[unreal brook]

The mini will be

And retroid usually iterates on devices on whatever is most requested for features

[high shadow]

Haven't seen past a render for that.

[unreal brook]

And oled and bigger screen are the two biggest requests by a mile

[paper vortex]

Retroid is going premium and the Mini is confirmed OLED, so the RP5 is 99 44/100% likely to be OLED.

[unreal brook]

Yea

[bold frost]

Also rg556 panel should be cheap enough (according to handheld's price) this shouldnt be an issue

[outer pagoda]

Well well well well well well...

[unreal brook]

They’re def going premium so the 4 pro and 2S can still have sales

So they have low end/mid end/high end

And high end for 4:3

[copper oar]

5.5 inch vs 4 inch

[unreal brook]

So they cover every use case

[high shadow]

Is Retroid the same as anbernic?

[unreal brook]

Besides being Uber cheap Linux

[paper vortex]

Just because it's OLED doesn't mean it's super expensive especially since it's basically standard for phones now.

[unreal brook]

I mean anbernic makes 5 devices a month

[copper oar]

theyre the same as ayn

[bold frost]

nope, they are competition

[unreal brook]

Covering the same use case so probably not

[bold frost]

yes Ayn+Retroid are bros under Moorechip

[unreal brook]

Mhm

They are NOT the same company tho

Just sister companies

[bold frost]

Anbernic has some really strange connections to the industry though

I think they have some of the shareholders of other companies behind

but I would say Retroid could be their biggest competitor right now

[paper vortex]

Look, I thought we all agreed that Anbernic doesn't really "manufacture" handhelds. They summon H700s from the depths of hell and in vast numbers. They have opened the Gate ...

[high shadow]

So how does the 556 having OLED releate to Retroid then?

[bold frost]

This is probably the reason why they are not reacting to Powkiddy releases

[copper oar]

tbf its powkiddy

[high shadow]

Did the cube just come out? That isn't reacting to the RG30?

[copper oar]

nah it was reacting to the zpg unicorn

[bold frost]

same as it relates to Ayaneo Pocket -> its the same panel 'cause its cheap prob

[bold frost]

\nah its ZPG A1 Unicorn, completely different market segment

xxCube is more of a reaction to RGB30 made 1.5 year later

[high shadow]

Those are way too close to each other. The Cube was a reaction to the RG30. Not the Unicorn.

[left oriole]

Hey guys, when do we expect the RP5 to be released ? End of year ?

[umbral flame]

As much as I love the 556, you would want whatever ayaneo uses as a panel

[high shadow]

You can't produce a handheld in weeks.

[umbral flame]

The qc on the 556 panel is incredibly bad, or the yield would be really small

[bold frost]

Unicorn and Cube literally look the same, same style of dpad, joystick on top

[high shadow]

556 and Ayaneo pannels aren't the same

[umbral flame]

Yeah I’m saying you want an ayaneo panel lol

[high shadow]

And

[copper oar]

max zhou literally said to cancel unicorn orders because the cube was coming 😭

[bold frost]

so its obvious that Anbernic wanted to kill their sales, they didnt care about RGB30

[high shadow]

Becasue they were releasing at the same time

[hollow trail]

It was not made to compete against the unicorn lol

[copper oar]

[left oriole]

Can’t decide on whether to wait for the RP5 or just pull the trigger on an Odin 2, was gifted a $100 off voucher so I’d be getting the Odin 2 a lot cheaper. So yeah I could hold out but not sure if I should waste the chance at getting an Odin 2 for $200

[high shadow]

The RGB30 success was why they made the Cube. Also why the ZPG came out.

[bold frost]

You are right, it was made to kill ZPG, Max and Anbernic are super spiteful

[paper vortex]

Look at it this way ... if the RP5 has the same chip or equivalent as the Odin 2, it won't be $200.

[hollow trail]

? It was not

Lmao

[copper oar]

okay
buy a thing you know basically everything about, or a mystery thing that may be good, or may be not what you want

[bold frost]

just kidding mate xD

[copper oar]

real

the 40xxv stealing the stupid ayaneos verical's design

[paper vortex]

Look up some reviews on the Odin 2 ... if it meets your needs, $299-$100 is a very good price.

[high shadow]

Have you never seen a RG351V ?

[umbral flame]

Oh dude, 200 for the Odin 2 all day lol

[bold frost]

but I think Unicorn had to be very popular in China, remember they were teasing it for a really long time, so Anbernic wanted some of the money on the table ;)\

[copper oar]

https://youtu.be/GKZJdaiJF84?si=wjkww1QuxR_Wp5js

[high shadow]

The RGB30 was very popular. ZPG already had the LG wing handheld.

[left oriole]

Yeah watched a ton of reviews on the Odin 2 looks fantastic and only held back from the software side oppose to the hardware, my only concern is it’s been out for a long time now, so the 3 could be on its way. Plus the RP5 would destroy Odin2 aftermarket price …. It’s a tough choice but I think Odin 2 might be the safe play

[bold frost]

I have to agree, its not so much stealing Ayaneo's thunder, its more of riding on popularity of Analogue pocket I think

[copper oar]

yeah thats insane for it lol

[umbral flame]

At 200$ there’s no reason to fret

Genuinely

Easy choice imo

No question

[left oriole]

Yeah I think so too, $200 for that device when I was going to firstly settle for a Retroid p4 pro … so getting a beast of an upgrade for maybe even cheaper

[high shadow]

Look at this photo

[copper oar]

odin 2 is a jack of all trades master of all

[bold frost]

hut yeah the first designs were suspisiously similar, also Max was teasing on BiliBili their answer to Ayaneo Pocket Micro xD even two weeks ago

[paper vortex]

Odin 2 will still (almost certainly) have the larger screen. And if it's $200 you're paying there is absolutely no way a similar-specced RP5 would cost that. It's just a win.

[umbral flame]

Yeah dude fuck fomo lol, the Odin 2 at 200 is just a cop

[left oriole]

Yeah think you guys are right, do you think if I have a $100 off voucher I should extend to the Odin 2 pro ???
Or is base just fine ?

[bold frost]

these are quite the lookers

[candid steeple]

It does seem odd when one of these gets accused of copying a design, these are all fundamentally GB (or something else) clones anyway

[copper oar]

do you want a cool color

[restive minnow]

Odin 2 for 200 sounds like Olympic Gold Medal

[bold frost]

that true, unless we aretalking about R33S situation when it was 1:1 design clone

[calm grail]

shit.... wish ihad a $100 voucher lol

[high shadow]

Just saying anbernic had that look a long time before AYAneo. Plus the DMG has sold 500 in preorders. I doubt they are worried about any of those compainies

[outer pagoda]

Pro and you can avoid buying an sd card unless you really load it with games

[calm grail]

id actually grab the o2 mini then

[paper vortex]

Unless you are planning on going full-bore on Winlator emulation ... the base is fine. (I have an O2 Pro and an O2 Mini base ... there's basically no difference in performance for what I've thrown at it)

[candid steeple]

yeah, the R's don't get a pass since they mostly haven't iterated just photocopied

[bold frost]

Get RP5 and give me the voucher

[calm grail]

but yea 100% if you have the chance at a o2 for $200 100% worth it imo

[paper vortex]

... the O2 Pro does have an advantage for internal storage if you do a lot of Android gaming, though.

[verbal dawn]

Pro for the extra storage and transparent blue

[candid steeple]

o2 for $200 is a steal and rp5 may reach same level of power as it for a higher price, but could still end up lower spec

[sage cliff]

hm... will the 5 and mini be the same as odin 2 and odin mini?

[paper vortex]

For retro gaming with roms, though, internal storage on the base is a nonissue because microSD card.

[left oriole]

Yeah im fine with the black edition butttt some of the others do look tempting. So the pro has bigger internal ? I’ll mostly be using it for later gen console games

[verbal dawn]

Texture packs and update/dlc for switch and 3ds does take up some space

Though switch can be mitigated somewhat by merging them with the base game, though some time/games this don't work for some reason.

[high shadow]

Wow AYAneo is at Bestbuy now https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ayaneo-kun-8-4-1600p-gaming-handheld-amd-ryzen-7-7840u-16gb-ram-with-512gb-ssd-black-feather/6584448.p

[restive minnow]

Plus odin 2 base can do most of switch libraries as well

[copper oar]

thats crazy

[paper vortex]

Ayaneo Kun is 60 Hz like the Slide, right?

[calm grail]

wait what

wow

[paper vortex]

For $1000 on sale, too.

[high shadow]

also 60 day returns

Open box Kun when

[left oriole]

Also if you have a Bestbuy card your laughing there

[calm grail]

lol

they have the next lite too on bestbuy

$400

[paper vortex]

Honestly, if it's a PC device and 60Hz no VRR is the best they can do, ... nah. Especially at a list of $1200.

[calm grail]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ayaneo-next-lite-7800p-gaming-handheld-amd-ryzen-7-4800u-16gb-ram-with-512gb-ssd-black/6585474.p?skuId=6585474

its so weird

seeing ayaneo products on bestbuy

[umbral flame]

Honestly, that would be huge for consumers

[restive minnow]

Not weird in cex we got used ayaneo devices lower one is 270 at best

[umbral flame]

Returns is one of the biggest reasons people don’t go x86 Chinese

[paper vortex]

They are only online, though. You can pick up the Asus and Lenovo products in-store.

[restive minnow]

100%

[paper vortex]

Returns are another reason Best Buy might not have them for long.

[high shadow]

Not any stores near me

[left oriole]

Is the Odin 2
Base just in black ?? The site is a little janky and not changing to pro depending on what colors I select ?

[calm grail]

correct

base is just black

[paper vortex]

Base for O2 / O2Mini are black only, yes.

[calm grail]

pro you can choose colors

[high shadow]

#1142068865698902056 ask here

[left oriole]

Ty sorry to ask in here

[high shadow]

It is fine. You will just get more info on the channel for it.

[paper vortex]

As far as I can tell, the Ayaneos are in-store nowhere. The Ally is at least in a LOT of stores. Bought my Ally in-person, in fact.

[high shadow]

true

[paper vortex]

If I want an Ally X, I can just waltz over to the local Best Buy and get it right now. Well, if I had the eight hundred bucks. 🙂

[high shadow]

I can't at any of the near by bestbuys. I would have to drive 100 miles to the store that has then in stock

[paper vortex]

.. but it is good that more gaming handhelds are showing up in "real" stores - if it's only the online store for now.

[paper vortex]

And I thought I lived in the sticks!

[high shadow]

Best buy return policy is great.

[worn forum]

I have the exact same thought! Wished there’s no glass front thing

[high shadow]

The top Dpad looks very high on the handheld to me.

[worn forum]

Inb4 this is called retroid pocket mini+

[wicked ibex]

AND ANOTHER THING
I don't like these circle cutouts around the dpad/facebuttons

the mini looks a lot better without it imo

[worn forum]

If it makes you feel better the buttons, analogue stick and D pad are slanted

So it’s better ergonomics than the 4

[paper vortex]

Those might reduce "smear".

(the circles)

because you're not touching the glass so much

[static barn]

This reminds me of any one of the Xfly ?

[hallow sage]

they are in stores in china

[hallow sage]

lol i see many ppl are still unaware ayaneo is a store brand, just not in the west.

[umbral flame]

I mean a store in china wouldn't affect us yeah

[hallow sage]

true, but ppl act like it's so wild the concept of them sending units to big box stores. when it's really not that weird, it's the same thing they already do but with more logistics to sort out and deals to broker to the new destinations.

[worn forum]

Broo you scared me! I thought this was going be the pro model of the retroid pocket 5

[umbral flame]

Actually hold up, lets get back to the retroid news lol

Jk there isn't any

[worn forum]

I need my dmg colors retroid

Why you abandoned it after the 2s? 😭

[hallow sage]

dmg is good colours

[calm grail]

oh im not surprised

in regards to not US countries having them in stores

its just weird to see a US store carry one

[hallow sage]

it's no weirder to me than seeing dji in a US store

[high shadow]

If only they used this layout

[worn forum]

It would be funny if this is Oled and is 5.5 inches screen would literally be the Aya Neo pocket air

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1276840395430694923/1277331504883699712/71epA1l0oDL_prev_ui.png?ex=66d012ea&is=66cec16a&hm=359e49bfbef1f0b6d2fd34ee3be7aebc6a9f6633f27abd1085dce0b137a4e014&

[unreal brook]

Odin 2 really hurt those sales

[high shadow]

this looks better

[hallow sage]

inb4 300 smackers and all the aya haters swarm to defend this

[unreal brook]

I was gonna buy one 💔

[hallow sage]

for you lol

[unreal brook]

If it’s 8 gen 2 then I’d defend it

If it’s weaker then nah

[hallow sage]

inb4 D1200

[worn forum]

lol

[unreal brook]

That’d be a complete ripoff lmao

[worn forum]

Yeah with no glass front and all

[unreal brook]

Just get a pocket air if you wanted oled lol

[worn forum]

Pocket air is good

[hallow sage]

i like LTE & oled

[high shadow]

I don't understand the glass front is good idea.

[worn forum]

Can pretty much play any ps 2 and GameCube games

[unreal brook]

Is pocket air lte?

[worn forum]

I guess to make it feel premium

[unreal brook]

Yea

[hallow sage]

yep. odin 2 got nothing on that

[umbral flame]

The pocket air is fucking dope

[high shadow]

So many finger prints

[worn forum]

If you’re takkknf about the SIM card, yeah it has one

[unreal brook]

Yea

That’s a cool little niche then

[calm grail]

well like i said i know outside the US its common

just yea

[unreal brook]

But yea device came out at the worst time

[hallow sage]

now THAT is a game store

[worn forum]

Retro handheld emulation stores would be more common if it didn’t have freakingorms

[umbral flame]

There's no walk room lmfao

[unreal brook]

The retro game corps video not doing it justice was a big hurt for it for sure

even after making the follow up vid

[hallow sage]

skill issue

🤭

[umbral flame]

True

[unreal brook]

Aren’t these like everywhere in Mexico?

[hallow sage]

follow up video never fixes it. bc the follow up had about half the views.

[unreal brook]

Yea

I mean never heard good things about pocket air software

[worn forum]

At this point wouldn’t shock me if they announced flip 2

[hallow sage]

that is also what made ppl think the trim ui smart pro was so weak

[unreal brook]

It’s weird cuz they shoulda probably delayed the device

[hallow sage]

it can play psp up to 2-3x res

[unreal brook]

But if they delayed it too much

[hallow sage]

full speed limited-no frameskip

[unreal brook]

It would hurt sales even more because its release window would then be fully touching Odin 2

[cunning kernel]

to voice /vg/:
"Let me guess. You need another one??"

[worn forum]

I wished Rg 505 had a trim ui smart pro shell would have been perfect

[hallow sage]

i really like the form factor

[cunning kernel]

rg505 is a nice machine

[worn forum]

Agreed here’s hoping they make a revision again for the 505

[cunning kernel]

try using it through scrcpy sometime

i don't think anbernic is going to revisit that wheel though.

[calm grail]

dunno but now that i look at this again

was curious what counter arcade that was

[worn forum]

If this is accurate then finally 5 inch retroid handheld

[calm grail]

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/3256805771909581.html

interesting

[wary leaf]

It better be ips then

Cause there’s no oled for that size

And no one wants to pay a premium for

[unreal brook]

Wdym better be

[calm grail]

i love these photoshops

[unreal brook]

It’s 100% an oled display of some kind

That’s more than 5 inches

[wary leaf]

5,5” oled or bust

[worn forum]

What’s the advantage of miniled?

[unreal brook]

Yea

Miniled is great for outdoors

But battery life will get nuked

[worn forum]

Yeah either IPS or Oled

[calm grail]

vignetting

[wary leaf]

Ghosting, blooming, vignetting, dark local dimming zones

[worn forum]

Ahh

[worn forum]

Oh hey ghosting atleast it’ll feel authentic lol

[wary leaf]

But they look super pretty and get close to oled lvls of contrast and color reproduction

[worn forum]

That’s a lot of downsides

[glossy stirrup]

Not much to go off, but the Retroid account themselves liked this comment. Better than nothin ig

[wary leaf]

Suprisingly the ghosting wasn’t that bad

[static barn]

RG 556 Oled screen …..lets go!

[floral flower]

mediatek and ips it is!

[wary leaf]

Or pocket air, seeing how this is just a dpad up top pocket air

[cunning kernel]

now all of those kiddos who are like "I'm afraid to buy an rp4 pro because the rp5 might come out" can move their goalpost to
"I'm afraid to buy the rp5 because the rp6 might come out."

[wary leaf]

Just sell you old device and buy the new one

Maybe you’ll lose like $20

I even made a profit selling mine

Resell value is lovely on retroids

I’m in the eu tbf and people are afraid of importing stuff

[red lantern]

Retroids, Odins, and most X86 stuff have pretty solid resell value

[candid steeple]

alternative take, I couldn't even give away my rp3+

[umbral flame]

No dude I'm telling you, unless you do extreme qc you want an ayaneo oled and not a 556 oled

[wary leaf]

X86 is alright, because that market moves the faster

[cunning kernel]

i found a single ali seller that's still trying to offload every color of RP3

it's highly tempting

[wary leaf]

Since you have so many big players like valve asus Lenovo and Msi

[red lantern]

Tru true

[cunning kernel]

is msi a player or just a participant

[wary leaf]

You can’t find any Odin 2s below 300€ in the eu

[umbral flame]

This isn't brought up but the 556 oled often has extreme vertical banding on many units. Noticable mostly on grey backgrounds, but if you are streaming more modern games with greyish tones, it's also noticeable there

[velvet rock]

Ghosting on the Odin 2 or the Mini? On the Odin 2 I’ll say it wasn’t bad, but Mini actually had even less ghosting.

[umbral flame]

You really want either extreme qc, which isn't going to happen at the yields you want likely, or an ayaneo oled

[wary leaf]

People know they can resell it expensive because the buyers are phobic of vat and import taxes

[wary leaf]

On the mini

Because miniLED was said to have ghosting

Which it really didn’t have as much

I don’t remember a single review pointing out any signs of ghosting on the 2mini

[red lantern]

I haven't really noticed much ghosting at all on my Mini

Maybe occasionally when playing Mario World Hacks

But never like

[wary leaf]

Yeah probably only something trained eyes can see

[umbral flame]

I gotta be honest, most reviewers aren't a good judge of screen quality

[velvet rock]

It was probably me, since I’ve noted that the reason I was hesitant initially was due to the fact that in my experience with MiniLED in general, it’s always had some pretty atrocious ghosting and really bad viewing angles.

[wary leaf]

Most buyers aren’t a good judge of screen quality either and that’s fine. They don’t even think their Odin 2 has ghosting

[velvet rock]

But the Odin 2 Mini definitely has one of the best MiniLED screens I’ve personally used. The ghosting is less than the Odin 2 when I was expecting more, the viewing angles aren’t as bad as the other MiniLED’s I’ve seen.

[umbral flame]

I think Taki is the only reviewer i've seen go in depth on screen characteristics

[red lantern]

No, I noticed it a bit when playing NSBW 2: around the world, but it was very minimal

[void swift]

Honestly I’m really hoping Retroid has gone all out and we will get a flip 2 announced the next few days. At the rate things are going I don’t think that’s a crazy pipe dream.

[ancient glacier]

it's night and day on the mini

[wary leaf]

Many people like to better be safe then sry.
It definitely turned out better then expected

[ancient glacier]

the mini is still one of the best screens I've seen but goddamn is it bright

[wary leaf]

Your library also plays a role. 3D game enjoyers won’t notice it as much as people that play 2d games / platformers

[velvet rock]

Yeah, with me it was when people showed tests of the Mini’s screen in action that I felt a bit better about it, but in general I’m definitely one of the people that would prefer the average IPS over the Average MiniLED.

[wary leaf]

Gotta always stay below 25%

[wary leaf]

Soon we’ll have oled for every from factor at every price

[red lantern]

Fair fair

[ancient glacier]

yup

I've been using LCD/AMOLED/E-Ink screens for the last few weeks and once I came back to the mini, jfc was not ready

thing was at 50%

[red lantern]

YEP. Learned that the hard way when flashbanging myself from sleep one night xD

[wary leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

[umbral flame]

Man I would give the mini a go if it just had oled lol

Really AYN in general

[wary leaf]

You have set yourself up

[wary leaf]

Or the rp4s plastic

I’d be fine with miniLED then

But the base is only available in black

[unreal brook]

I notice it a lot on 4 pro but not really on my Odin

But input latency I notice quite a bit

Especially 3ds/switch

[velvet rock]

Good, at least that would be better than people thinking O2Mini is a sign to go for MiniLED instead.

[ancient glacier]

that's interesting

I personally find the 4 pro to have "less" of it

[unreal brook]

Yea

It might be the same but I think I’m more used to actively seeing it

[umbral flame]

Good

[velvet rock]

I refuse to believe in the slightest that Anbernic actually would bother to try getting a MiniLED screen anywhere near as good as the Odin 2 Mini screen.

[ancient glacier]

lmao

[wary leaf]

Good

[ancient glacier]

ayn's software is also the "best" that you can get out there in the android section

[wary leaf]

“Ayn’s software”

Yeah sure

[ancient glacier]

retroid -> less frequent updates, no app presets, have fun fiddling with perf modes
anbernic -> lmao, they've pushed like 1 ota for the 556 so far?
zpg -> as much as I liked the unicorn design, they seem to be struggling a bit, they did push a new ota like last week
powkiddy ->
ayaneo -> gotta appreciate the effort but a few people have said it's just focusing on the wrong things

that's the fun part @wary leaf

retroid's is worse

[umbral flame]

Fwiw, I really liked what air had most recently. But I never experienced what they had before

[ancient glacier]

but it's from the same company engineers

[ancient glacier]

pocket air iirc was basically abandoned for a bit then they remembered it existed

[wary leaf]

They gotta do some catching up. They’ve just released a dock without any software optimizations for it that helps the rp4p to take advantage of it

[umbral flame]

Sure so I could've missed out on what everyone hated

[ancient glacier]

odintools being patched out, there's really no app presets now

[wary leaf]

Now way you kekw’d powkiddy

[ancient glacier]

it's so sad, the rp4p would love that due to needing perf mode for mid-GC

[cunning kernel]

i imagine this coming out with ips, and a bunch of people going "ew"

[wary leaf]

They literally got jelos wrapped around their fingers

[ancient glacier]

android jelos?

talking about strictly android (stock too, no gammaOS because gamma is the goat)

[umbral flame]

Considering their mini has oled, yeah I think a lot would be disappointed in ips

[wary leaf]

I mean the X28 software was badly configured on purpose so gamma would have more fun fiddling around with it

[ancient glacier]

x28 with the slow ram

[cunning kernel]

is it that important if it plays games better than the rp4?

[velvet rock]

Yeah, there’s issues with d-pad inputs doing double presses and holding the inputs when you only tap it once. The new update fixed it somewhat, but it still occurs enough that some people are getting worried it could be a hardware issue.

[ancient glacier]

well it's called the rp5

[umbral flame]

Doesn't change:
Considering their mini has oled, yeah I think a lot would be disappointed in ips

[ancient glacier]

oh nvm I misread

tbf it's a 4:3 oled

maybe they can't find a 5" oled that's also not the shitty vita one

who knows ™️ we'll see next week

[umbral flame]

You guys are asking consumers to not have consumer brains

[ancient glacier]

I'm still gonna be pissed if it's LCD + no fun colors

[cunning kernel]

"if big number != better everything," bad product. got it

[ancient glacier]

they clearly are going the way of premium

[cunning kernel]

this kind of explains why people are dumping their odin 2's in marketplace.

[velvet rock]

To be fair, even in this hobby there aren’t many that would pay attention to the issues the 556 screen has, so Retroid could easily go for that screen just because it’s the only option available at a decent price, and a lot of people would still potentially be fine with that.

[ancient glacier]

and yeah that always happens when anything "premium" gets revealed

pocket S, o2 mini, pocket evo

[ancient glacier]

actually never heard of the issues of the 556

mura? burn-in? (somehow)

[copper oar]

i saw one person recently had a weird issue but it seemed just like a qc thing

[velvet rock]

Superbottle was just talking about it. #1278295069903818763 message

[cunning kernel]

the rg556 mojoverse is a lot of "i hear the analogs are broken" or "i hear the wifi is broken" or the last "I hear docking is broken." It's a game of telephone come to an endgame of bad information

[umbral flame]

No the screen is definitely an issue that's more common than just people bs'ing lol

[ancient glacier]

that's odd

[cunning kernel]

but now with the banding stuff on grey tones, people are going to be afraid of the screen when its functionally fine

[velvet rock]

I don’t think Superbottle is doing a telephone thing, considering he literally has one.

[ancient glacier]

don't got one to test (never had any interest in it anyway)

[copper oar]

he sold his

or is selling i forgot

[ancient glacier]

is selling iirc

[umbral flame]

Yeah. I can say for most gaming it's fine enough, but on UI and on game streaming more modern games its an issue

[copper oar]

yeah the banding is a bit annoying

thats like the only flaw of the screen

[umbral flame]

More modern games tend to have greyed out/muted colors

[ancient glacier]

that sounds odd

[drowsy frost]

Is 6 months enough time between handheld releases?

[cunning kernel]

but this is a second wave screen thing though

[copper oar]

https://tenor.com/view/six-months-6-months-6months-meme-venom-gif-6502377730402637016

[cunning kernel]

first wave rg556's were pretty solid

[velvet rock]

Oh hey he just sold it 3 days ago…for $110. Ouch.

[copper oar]

i think so?

[umbral flame]

Oh lol I don't care, I got my moneys worth out of that thing

I loved it but I wanted to try something else

[wary leaf]

If you squint your eyes, this reads as “Retroid Pocket S”

[umbral flame]

I'm not dogging on the 556 here lol

It's a superb device

[wary leaf]

Someone pls change the name to RP5

[ancient glacier]

gotta start getting devices you love but won't sell like the rp4p

[wary leaf]

Almost got a heart attack

[ancient glacier]

shit ikr

how's that pocket EVO

at least you have that og ally

[wary leaf]

They kinda copied the pocket air and pocket s at the same time

[wary leaf]

Wrong person

[ancient glacier]

ik lmao

[wary leaf]

But I still appreciate spreading the culture

[floral flower]

not our fault discord's font sucks

[wary leaf]

Had to blink a few times to realize it’s not a pocket s

Let’s do “Retroid Pocket V”

[cunning kernel]

its hard for me to fall out of love with devices once i get a nice cycle going.

i feel like some people play the same thing obsessively until they hate it

[worn forum]

So I’m more awake now

This isn’t a fever dream it’s real

[cunning kernel]

yeah. it's the rp5 in the aetherial fog finally manifested on the material plane

[umbral flame]

Oh nah, I always have to be able to sell. Closest to non-selling device would be like the switch oled

Loved the shit out of the 556 and still sold that lol

[ancient glacier]

keeping my: <insert all the ones I currently have, minus the 280v>

because fuck the 280V lmao

[umbral flame]

Lol what is it, just too underpowered now?

Or?

[calm grail]

im tempted to sell my RP3+ and RP2+

[umbral flame]

I mean, the longer you wait the less they will be. The rp2+ nowadays will be dirt cheap

[ancient glacier]

half height pixels + everytime I think of it, I'm like "I need to upload the new adam image jaded build to github" then forget

RP2+ rn iirc sells for pretty cheap

[cunning kernel]

el cheapo devices are good for el cheapo situations

[calm grail]

no idea how much my RP3+ would go for

[copper oar]

i tried to sell mine but no one wanted it

[copper oar]

like 110

[umbral flame]

Probably somewhere like 60-80 id assume

[calm grail]

it has the grip + hall sticks and case

lol

[copper oar]

130

[umbral flame]

I can't see an rp3+ selling that much lmao

[cunning kernel]

i got my rg505 for 75usd from a person who never used it.

[umbral flame]

I can imagine someone would list that but no chance that actually sells

[ancient glacier]

the rp4p is selling for 170 rn

[red lantern]

I sold mines for 85-90

[umbral flame]

Sure, shoot there even

[cunning kernel]

80 is a good price

[umbral flame]

But 130? People would jsut go rp4 base lol

[red lantern]

Usually see them go for about 80-100

[cunning kernel]

heck, the rp3 brand new is still 69usd

[past drift]

Look on eBay at sold listings

[umbral flame]

I'd imagine rp2+ in good condition would go around the 50 mark lol, its just really not desirable nowadays to most people (Though I love that device)

[velvet rock]

I would moreso guess it’s the screen being really freaking weird for a 4:3 display, what with the rectangular pixels and all.

[past drift]

I sold mine right before the rp4 arrived for like $130. I'm sure they are less now but that was with the rp4 announced and shipping.

[high shadow]

80-100 is a great used price for the rp3+

[past drift]

Just do an auction with a buy now price and see what happens

[umbral flame]

Realistically if you put something here at a good price it sells fast unless it's unknown stuff. Issue is people value their stuff way too high for being a used product lol

[umbral flame]

Honestly, on a screen that small, I can't tell too much

[sterile sentinel]

I'm actually keeping my RP4 Pro

[ancient glacier]

keeping it too

fucking love this thing, even if I'M not using it at all rn

[worn forum]

smart! retroid pocket 4 looks more compact

[ancient glacier]

the texture, the handfeel, 💯

[sterile sentinel]

Mine is sentimental

And it does everything I want it to

[ancient glacier]

[umbral flame]

I mean, rp4pro is at the level where you need a significant upgrade to consider moving on

[ancient glacier]

I mostly play GBA/Android games and PSP

so I mean

needless to say, this has to be smth like a good snapdragon

[spark dune]

I am curious, what android games do you tend to play?

[ancient glacier]

Star Rail and ZZZ

[spark dune]

I don't have any 16:9 devices anymore, so the only console I am really missing is PSP. I couldn't figure out how to get texture packs working on PPSSPP on Steam Deck, but I also loved how amazing HD Patapon looked on the RP3+

[sterile sentinel]

I do all the Retro stuff (GBA, NES, N64, all that), PSP, Wii, GameCube, and Android games

[spark dune]

Awesome! I was obsessed with SR at its launch for 3 months and never looked back whoops

[ancient glacier]

oh prob worth revisiting

[plain spindle]

I wonder where does the RP5 leave the Odin 2, it kinda looks like it's going to end up outdated

[ancient glacier]

that's a wild take but it depends on what CPU the RP5 gets

[plain spindle]

depends entirely on the chip yeah

but I wouldn't rule it out

[ancient glacier]

wouldn't either yeah

[worn forum]

Ohhh this is interesting

[ancient glacier]

these shoulders look neat

I'm really hoping they're rubber membrane

always thought the shoulders on the rp3/rp4 was membrane

[worn forum]

aya neo pocket air 2 here we go!

[ancient glacier]

squish it to a 4:3 aspect ratio

trust

[worn forum]

ask and ye shall receive!

[ancient glacier]

yoooo the rp mini

[wary leaf]

Sold mine already

[worn forum]

OH dang lol

[wary leaf]

No reason to throw away money

[wary leaf]

Retroid Pocket Cube

[viscid merlin]

sold mine also, but only because I wanted to stop either the rp3+ or rp4p and nobody would buy my rp3+

(probably for the good reason that I am actually selling it too high, because I don't really want it to go 😅)

[wary leaf]

The rp4p had better resale value anyways ;))

And the rp3+ arguably is better for psp

[plain spindle]

I really think it's 6 inches

otherwise the render just looks off to me

[wary leaf]

5,5“ is literally perfect because there oled screens available for that size

[outer pagoda]

^^^

the rg556 uses a 5.5 oled

that screen is one of the sole reasons people picked that device over a rp4p

[wary leaf]

Pocket Air as well

So the odds are extra high on it being oled

If it’s 5,5“

[misty wave]

I still don't understand why people dont just get a steam deck at that point /shrug

[silent veldt]

it's massive, battery life isn't great, already have a PC

[ancient glacier]

can't tell if you're trolling or not but the deck is fuckin MASSIVE

like hold on

[slow anchor]

This would be too overwhelming for me 😭

[worn forum]

Hell yeah

Yeah what the guys says is the

[silent veldt]

I really hope it's not 5.5", pocket air is bigger than people seem to think I feel like

[viscid merlin]

where is it?

[wary leaf]

It’s already out of the realm of pocketability

[ancient glacier]

be so fr with me

[wary leaf]

It’s gonna be a bit smaller then a switch lite I guess

[wicked ibex]

To me it looks about the size of the O2 Mini, just with a bigger bezeless screen

[slow anchor]

The steam deck is sooooo HUGE

[ancient glacier]

it's wide as hell

[wicked ibex]

Also yes, I love my Deck but it's huge. going from it to a 5.5" handheld like my x28 is a massive difference

[wary leaf]

O2M is the perfect size. A shame it doesn’t have rp4 plastic

[pine locust]

what is the jaded build?

[red lantern]

Thing is, the plastic isnt as smudge as the O2 Base

[silent veldt]

& an oled

[ancient glacier]

literally just me fixing some default options and updating retroarch, cores, etc + adding some theme variants

[hollow trail]

I just bought ttimes trimui smart

[wary leaf]

https://imgur.com/a/pJz5N3n

[ancient glacier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237843798223098028/1238526322452467772/20240502_185835.jpg?ex=66d0a005&is=66cf4e85&hm=0e313c90947b04f78c3737673698ab5ce5f220206a2535cf9f94fc63303d1700&=&format=webp&width=676&height=676

I vibe with the color blurple

[hallow sage]

the ayaneo air is such a good size

[red lantern]

That is the O2 Base

[wary leaf]

nah its literally identical plastic

[ancient glacier]

I love this gif so much

[wary leaf]

ayn said same plastic

they confirmed it

[outer pagoda]

oh i forgot the important comparison

[wary leaf]

I have a screenshot (pls dont make me find it)

[pine locust]

280vhas been my jam before i bough my own rg35xx 😄 extremely pocketable and durable

[red lantern]

Well I must have less greasy fingers then lmao

Cause I barely got smudges on the thing

[wary leaf]

samee

sadly I cant favorite that gif because it corrupts my gifs on mobile

[outer pagoda]

t5he new RPmini is slightly bigger than the rp2, so pretend the air is the rp5 and the 2 is the mini

[wary leaf]

only works on pc

[red lantern]

Yay, discord mobile suuuuuck

[pine locust]

oook lets see 😄

[plain spindle]

I did a bit of photoshopping, it could be 5.5", but if it is, it will be significantly smaller than the rg556 or the ayaneo pocket air

[misty wave]

if it's over 5 incher it should be renamed retroid shelf 1

[umbral flame]

Honestly, smartest if you do plan on selling

Get it gone asap

God dam

[wary leaf]

but I cant let anyone know

🤫

[spark dune]

I know, I was there

[outer pagoda]

jigg sold his rp4p for 240$ and bought it with a coupon

[wary leaf]

I included a grip and case though

[outer pagoda]

fair

[wary leaf]

and flawlessly pre installed screen protector

(it took me 4 screen protectors)

ffs

[silent veldt]

were you in a saw mill?

[wary leaf]

retroid discord was making fun of me for trying to apply it inside a steamy bathroom and still not being successfull

[umbral flame]

That really cuts into the profit margin /s

[outer pagoda]

as they should

[umbral flame]

No way your serious lol

[wary leaf]

at least I got the protectors with my warranty replacment backplate

so I payed no shipping on the protectors

[wary leaf]

no it was all a joke I made for impressions of course

that would never happen to me

[umbral flame]

lol

Seems like you would just weaken the adhesive

[wary leaf]

I learned a lot from it

[velvet rock]

Wait when was that? That’s remarkably stupid if they’re saying that should’ve helped, steam doesn’t help with keeping dust out of the air.

[wary leaf]

it will never happen again

[umbral flame]

I mean

[wary leaf]

end of january

[umbral flame]

He said he learned a lot

[wary leaf]

I found out the hard way

I'll get a single protector with my rp5 or mini

super confident

[umbral flame]

lol

I need a 3 pack

[wary leaf]

unless the protectors are going to cover the whole glassfront

[velvet rock]

I get that, everyone has their moments of taking advice that ends up being bad. I’m talking about when they made fun of him for “fucking it up”, that whole process will fuck it up more often than not regardless.

[wary leaf]

it was just a few 😂 reactions, all good

[wary leaf]

I hope this wont be the case btw

[silent veldt]

it will be lol

[wary leaf]

they better include 2 protectors with pre orders then

[velvet rock]

I’m mainly just hopeful they’re only doing the screen itself and then they’ll just have something like a tpu cover for the rest of it. No one that cares about showing off the full glass panel will be using this thing to begin with (it’ll just end up staying on a shelf), so they could at least let the people who would be using it have a slightly less fragile device.

[silent veldt]

i'd probably go for film, otherwise it'll take away some button travel

[wary leaf]

it better be a good tpu cover because the one on the odin 2 looks goofy

[silent veldt]

unless it's designed with that in mind like how anbernic has sunken in displays

those handheld condoms are gross

[velvet rock]

Personally I’m fine with goofy if it means I don’t have to worry about the glass hitting a corner and cracking.

[wary leaf]

wanna see more?

[umbral flame]

Nah dude those covers are so nice

[velvet rock]

Although yeah, I’d also just prefer a better one in general.

[wary leaf]

might as well get a different handheld alltogether

[wicked ibex]

I tried overlaying the screens to compare their sizes. Assuming the RP5 is also 5.5" ofc

[umbral flame]

You can hate how they look but it feels superb

[wary leaf]

if you dye them

they are alright

[silent veldt]

it's like old ladies covering the furniture in plastic

[wary leaf]

👀

[velvet rock]

…You know, if I got one and dyed it a transparent gray, that could end up making the Orange Mini look way more effectively like a Half-Life themed device, specifically if the gray tints the Orange a darker shade and the white glass gray.

Hmm, I’ll have to look into good dye’s for translucent tpu.

[wary leaf]

let's wait and see what accessories they release as well, maybe you can do some cool stuff with it

[velvet rock]

Agreed. I’ve got alternative ideas for themes with the other colors, just as backups in case I can’t come up with anything for the orange.

[wary leaf]

I can already see my grip melting inside a pot before I even get to the dying process

cant wait to ask someone for advice and then having to convert fahrenheit into celsius

[umbral flame]

I cant wait for a new dock /s

[wary leaf]

huh

huh

[velvet rock]

Don’t worry, there’s a reason the /s is there.

[lean silo]

Only thing I want out of the 5 is an nvme slot. If it has that, it's day one for me.

[umbral flame]

I can't tell if you are being serious

Not that a person can't want what they want, just that the chance of that would be so incredibly low

[lean silo]

Serious. I love my 4P and the only thing I wish it had is an nvme slot for more storage

[red lantern]

.... SD cards are a thing

Android and NVME are not really something that go together often

[wary leaf]

https://x.com/Retroid0fficial/status/1828882896247239156

Retroid Pocket Official (@Retroid0fficial) on X

@JoeysRetroHH I’d hate to break it to you, but….

Twitter · Aug 28, 2024, 7:50 PM

[umbral flame]

What's the context of this tweet? Doesn't open up well on pc

[red lantern]

No Flip 2

Or at least none in the works

[umbral flame]

OH lol

[wary leaf]

no flip 2 planned

[umbral flame]

GGs

[restive minnow]

Fairs

Like actually fairs🥲

[umbral flame]

So I think it's going to be:
Release more misc info on this like screen type, demensions, colors, and then chips on both at the end of the news cycle

[hollow trail]

Lol

[umbral flame]

No shit, I would actually hate that shit if I was Joey

I hate this cryptic stuff lol