Ayaneo Pocket EVO

[vagrant sphinx]

Like, the right side of the screen was getting hot enough to not only be a potential hazard, but it was also actively causing the display panel to develop light bleed.

[tardy compass]

Shouldn't be an issue, that was cause by how the panel was lit. Oled is self lit, so no hot leds trying to supply the whole panel.

Plus this runs at the equivalent of like 8w tdp or less.

Only really appeared over 20wtdp(roughly triple the max power) and 70% brightness.

[vagrant sphinx]

Oh I know all about the “position of the backlight” for it…but regardless, either way yeah that’s why I’m not too bothered by potentially getting one, it’s new internals and it’s definitely gonna need a new shell for that, the OLED screen, and especially for the fact it’s apparently a different size from the original 2S.

[vagrant nymph]

Doubt we see this before jan 25 .They don't even have a working model of this yet.

[vagrant sphinx]

So unless we see the same issues somehow popping up again because they made the same design mistakes they did with the 2S, it shouldn’t be a repeat.

[lyric imp]

All black and white look great.

[austere tendon]

Yeah hopefully heat is not an issue on this one the pocket s gets hot from being so thin and tiny fins/fan. This should be enough to dossipate heat from this chip. Nowhere near the levels an x86 chip outs out at 20+w I imagine.

[vagrant sphinx]

It’s not even just that, it’s the fact they had the audacity to copy and paste it’s the “position of the backlight” that makes it have light bleed on camera “but less noticeable in person” to posts that would directly say it doesn’t look as bad on camera, but it’s actively worse in person.

[austere tendon]

Are you talking about the pocket s?

[vagrant sphinx]

And the video I’m talking about even called out that it didn’t start out that bad but it started developing screen bleed from the heat of the right side of the screen, which reached legit hazardous temperatures.

[vagrant sphinx]

No I am not. https://www.reddit.com/r/ayaneo/comments/1473rb2/crazy_light_bleeding_on_aya_neo_2s_screen_its/

[austere tendon]

Oh, yeah. The 2s def has heat problems.

[vagrant sphinx]

I am definitely not talking about the Pocket S.
https://youtu.be/2opqHtnn4Nk?si=iPiALxRdVM8T1950

[austere tendon]

I owned one for a bit

I know firsthand

To the left of the X button got so hot

[vagrant sphinx]

Don’t care what people may say about it not being a professional review, this was someone that got the review unit before they were available for customers that could actively call it out before people bought it.

[fallow abyss]

That’s very unlikely to happen on android with active cooling

It would have to be an 888+ with no cooling lol

[vagrant sphinx]

Agreed, which is why I’m not as concerned about the EVO.

[rain cairn]

But again evo got that x86 battery level which on android its beautiful

[austere tendon]

🎉

[fallow abyss]

Super duper hot

Even medium size sticks are still a compromise

[austere tendon]

@inner wedge The demo unit is not correct, sadly:

[inner wedge]

NOOOOO

bottom firing speakers and you need a dongle to use your headphones, gg aya I guess

goddamn

[brisk dagger]

But there was no room

[austere tendon]

Micro at end of month was mostly expected

[inner wedge]

yeah hold on I'm in the wrong thread

[quartz raft]

great shot comparison, if no one has posted it yet

[devout osprey]

Not adding a headphone jack into something this large seems really dumb

[tardy compass]

And putting a battery that small in something this size is equally dumb.

[inner wedge]

do we even know the like capacity

we know it's at least 8000mah

[tardy compass]

8000 <9000

[inner wedge]

2 months later "we managed to put a bigger one in there"

[tardy compass]

Something like 33w. With a chip that regularly pushes the system to 11-14w.

[inner wedge]

I'm betting 8300 or 8500 ~

"regularly"
did I fucking miss something

[tardy compass]

Im just hoping that it's a lot closer to the 8999 figure.

Newer games. Wuwa, Sla, more demanding switch and ps2. Definitely winlator.

[vagrant sphinx]

Oh, did you miss the above conversation about the 2S?

[tardy compass]

Even less demanding ps2 can easily push 8w on the chip alone. TSP can get pretty high

[inner wedge]

I watched that bringus video way too many times

[tardy compass]

The chip can be as good as odin at low end, but at the high end it tends to draw more power. So similar size battery = shorter battery life.

13-25% thinner than the ayaneo 2s, but the battery is 30-38% smaller.

Even a 10k cell like the air pro/air1s would have been welcome over this.

[inner wedge]

I was gonna say, the o2 doesn't go that high in terms of power consumption

[vagrant sphinx]

He’s the literal only YouTuber who is fully 100% willing to tell people “don’t do as I do, and don’t even do as I say, don’t learn anything from me!“ whenever he does something related to internals for hardware, which makes him so much easier to recommend for entertaining videos, since I know I don’t have to look for any moments where he does something really dumb for soldering and pretends it’s expert stuff.

[tardy compass]

It can, but the gpu governor seems to be more fair, that and the cpu over clock adds a bit too.

[inner wedge]

just wanna say

spoke to him a handful of times (he came in the chrultrabook server for his google meet video lol), chill dude

so yeah I can recommend him too

[real bridge]

You mean 8***mah

[austere tendon]

Comparison I put together

It looks pretty small in context with the g cloud

[real bridge]

Yeah the lack of vertical grips concerns me

The GCloud was so perfectly comfy

[austere tendon]

I think the grips look decently deep

[quartz raft]

Looks comfy

[tribal wolf]

Wow can’t please anyone

[quartz raft]

I just wish there were more handhelds with RG556 grips

[ocean siren]

damn the bezels on this are pretty damn nice

did they mention the price yet?

[quartz raft]

If you have to ask you can’t afford it

Jk

[ocean siren]

im guessing 900ish

post preorderp ricing

[quartz raft]

https://tenor.com/view/more-than-you-can-afford-pal-more-than-you-can-afford-ferrari-fast-and-furious-expensive-gif-25234833

[limber frigate]

gotta be more than the pocket s right?

since they are calling this "flagship"

[sand phoenix]

400-500 likely if I had to bet

[brisk dagger]

In Aya pricing, this thing would probably be 400+ if it was a 60Hz IPS. With a 120Hz OLED, I don’t think even the earliest base model IGG preorders are getting a penny under 499.

With plenty of room for the floor to be higher still, tbh.

[rain cairn]

Real

[rain cairn]

Sigh Logitech if only they did better chip and cost 200

[fallow abyss]

Realistically speaking this will be 500+

[limber frigate]

HYOOJ! 🤭 (jk)

i will say the aya looks like a much more consistent design than the logitech

[vagrant sphinx]

Yeah, only way I can see it being cheaper is if Ayn releases a sale for the Odin 2 Pro and Max a few days or a week before this would get an official price.

[fallow abyss]

The g cloud?

[fallow abyss]

I still don’t think it would affect this one tbh. Only reason it affected the pocket air was cause of close release dates and weaker chip imo

[vagrant sphinx]

Like, they’d have the expected $500-$600 base price (with $600 honestly being more likely), then the sale hits, and then they hurriedly announce that they would have only 50-100 Super EarlyBird orders for $350 on the cheapest model just to survive.

[fallow abyss]

If the pocket air had the gen2 equivalent they definitely could’ve charged a high price for oled

[limber frigate]

yeah, when you put them side by side like that

[limber frigate]

that plus LTE they could have charged pocket s or higher price

[fallow abyss]

Idk have you had a gcloud? That shit in the hands feels fucking superb, best lcd I’ve seen too

Overpriced but incredibly well made

[fallow abyss]

I genuinely agree

[limber frigate]

i just meant the looks not necessarily the ergos. ive heard that about the ergos of the g cloud and it is smaller than a steam deck so im inclined to believe it. bc when i use the steam deck i can't reach all of the controls comfortably so it is very bad ergos for my hands.

but when it comes to pure design. the aya looks more consistent than the g cloud when they are put side by side.

[fallow abyss]

Oh yeah the gcloud looks like a massive goofball lol

[eternal dust]

Seems g3x G2 was right

Nothing surprising was revealed for me

Well I suppose the battery is a little bit surprising, didn't expect them to go that big

[limber frigate]

pocket air was a pretty large battery

i would expect a flagship to exceed that at least

[real bridge]

Can confirm

[thorn rock]

Gives me time to save up 😅😂

https://tenor.com/view/bye-money-one-day-millionaire-payday-bills-gif-13828481

[chilly quarry]

Commenting to follow. Ty have a good day

[austere tendon]

What is this, Reddit?

[brisk dagger]

Only when the porn spammers swing by

[chilly quarry]

TIL you can press the bell on the top right

[austere tendon]

Don't forget to smash that like, ring the bell, and subscribe!!

[sand phoenix]

and let me know what you think in the comments below

[sand phoenix]

what press conference?

[austere tendon]

The one where they reveal more about the device...

For the Pocket S I think they launched pre-orders the same day

Sometimes there are a couple more streams. It looks like maybe this one is going quicker than some (fingers crossed)

So if press conference is the launch event, and that's in August-September. We could see units shipping in like... October or something? All just a guess.

[lyric imp]

Discord has this

[chilly quarry]

Hahaha yea I saw moments later. Part of me wanted to see Derek get excited about engagement

[tribal wolf]

Wow thanks. Now I know how to unfollow stuff

[lyric imp]

I am excited also. A great SOC and great screen. White O2 mini is 420 dollars after shipping. If this is a little more with OLED I am fine

[raw mountain]

I was very glad to see no switch sticks, but wished they would have actually angled the d-dap/abxy and sticks instead of moving 2mm and saying they listened to feedback. Also wish they had better grips instead of the O2 style were they take a chunk out of the middle. Am excited to see reviews, have been waiting for a larger android handheld with a good chip.

[golden bane]

I have a pocket air

Getting this so I have 2 devices

Idc what it takes

[eternal dust]

I agree it feels like lackluster response to the feedback. They listened enough to know we want inset controls but they didn't actually do enough about it.

[cloud cipher]

why no headphone jack

just why

[lyric imp]

because it's 2024

[cloud cipher]

oh yeah why didn't I think that. lemme just get rid of all my wired headphones and IEMs now

not

there is no excuse

[lyric imp]

Something I personally care little about.

[devout osprey]

sure but if you're playing in a bus or airport or next to anyone you either need to have bluetooth headphones, which would eat at the battery and have their own battery management, or play muted, or annoy everyone

just feels like a dumb thing to leave out for no good reason

i cant imagine it being an issue of real estate

its that or carry a dongle

i don't want to think of the battery of another peripheral just to play a game for a few hours

specially when its a "premium" device

having consessions at that stage feels bad

[fallow abyss]

I don’t think anyone actually buying this would have the headphone jack be a deal breaker

[cloud cipher]

I wouldn't say that, I know there's someone in aya server who was previously on board who said they had a major issue with that

[fallow abyss]

Like idk if the compromise is headphones, I take that way over an IPs screen

[cloud cipher]

I know, loud minority and all that but my most premium audio peripherals are wired

[devout osprey]

i also think if you're asking for $400+ for a device that's supposed to be flagship and top of the line, cutting a feature like that which can be a sticking point for some consumers is annoying

[cloud cipher]

yeah this is a very pointless compromise

[devout osprey]

the 2s has a headphone jack

i kinda get it in the pocket S since that's seemingly thinner but still

[lyric imp]

Modern Flagship cellphones don't have headphone jacks anymore.

[devout osprey]

yeah but modern flagship phones are designed to go against your ear when you need to listen to something, or don't really rely on headphone usage as much. Gaming devices by design output audio that you need to hear because otherwise you're just playing the game on mute. It's a different use-case

i get where you're coming from, they're just different devices

and iirc people weren't happy about the headphone thing on phones either

android phones still typically have headphone jacks

and you're maybe listening to music on a commute or something, you're not, say, playing a videogame for a few hours at the airport or next to a spouse in bed

again, just a weird consession on a $400+ device that's supposed to be top of the line and their flagship device

it might not be a big deal to you but I can see it being a dealbreaker for a lot of folks who prefer wired headsets

[fallow abyss]

After I’ve gotten lower latency headphones I don’t care tbh

They are pretty solid for gaming

[eternal dust]

Welp, Arthur confirmed evo costs more than pocket s

[static shore]

for such a large handheld, it better have an arch linux distro

[limber frigate]

is anyone surprised?

[static shore]

all x86 handhelds at similar prices and under are just going to wreck it.

[limber frigate]

with less than half the battery life?

i don't think it will be that cut and dry.

[static shore]

battery life isn't a singular metric on the quality of a handheld though

[limber frigate]

no, but it is a big factor when it comes to choosing between android and PC

plus there are android games that aren't on PC.

but also vice versa

[static shore]

there are also x86 distros of android for pc

[limber frigate]

and it will still be less ideal than just getting android if that is where your priorities lie

[static shore]

and we're back to the apples vs. oranges case of the odin 1. "I don't want windows on my arm handheld" vs. "i don't want android on my x86 handheld."
It's less ideal than it is a matter of less tasteful.

[fallow abyss]

I still see why someone would want this lol. It’s absolutely not for everyone, but like this would make more sense to me than the micro or dmg

[limber frigate]

who says "i don't want android on my x86 handheld"?

if you can have both that would be great

but the truth is one is better for android the other is better for PC games

[devout osprey]

which is better for which tho

[limber frigate]

even when you aren't saying the meme it still sounds like some ppl are just in that meme headspace of "why not just get a steam deck?"

[limber frigate]

android is better for android

[devout osprey]

🤔

[limber frigate]

controversial ik lol

[static shore]

android isn't a hardware framework, lol

[devout osprey]

[static shore]

i think you mean arm is better for android

[limber frigate]

obviously, yeah. since arm for x86*(shorthand for binbows/linux/macOS since obviously the actual hardware is different) is in its crawl stages still

at least in regards to how it is relevant here, for gaming

[static shore]

okay this conversation is a joke now. i'm out

[limber frigate]

"if thinG expenSive Why not jusT get a steAm deck?"

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-mocking-gif-15817237996465785395

lol

[limber frigate]

that is what it sounds like when you say stuff like this

[devout osprey]

Steam deck has a headphone jack tho

[limber frigate]

and if that is important to you, then this console isn't for you

i use primarily wireless headphones for games, and especially for android gaming. despite having pro grade cans at my disposal.

is it silly to call this a flagship and then skip out on really cheap features like a 3.5mm jack? yeah i would agree with that.

[static shore]

when you get something like hardware vs. software frameworks wrong, double down on the wrong by saying android performance is always better on arm, then triple down on the wrong by making false assumptions of the people you're arguing with on a personal level, you come off as kind of a joke.

Okay, so you like the Ayaneo EVO because its pretty. that's the only logical thing going on here. No need to go maximum foot-in-mouth

[limber frigate]

good thing i didn't say that stuff lol

but good job putting words in my mouth :D

[limber frigate]

also i never said this console was pretty

i said it's design language is consistent

that doesn't mean i like how it looks

i personally think the geek/2/2s shape shell is fugly

lol

[austere tendon]

Can we just let people like what they like, lol.

[limber frigate]

but i dont say that bc it is pointless and inflammatory

[limber frigate]

real

exactly what im saying

this thing will perform, has an oled, will have huge battery life w the 8xxx battery 🤭

some ppl will like that

[austere tendon]

It’s me, I’m ppl

[limber frigate]

but it won't get bodied just bc you perceive that a steam deck is a "better value for the money" :p

[cloud cipher]

and that's a damn shame because there's nothing premium about it

[chilly quarry]

It probably will do as well as any other ayaneo device on the market

[cloud cipher]

more power to peeps who don't care

[chilly quarry]

No jack sucks

[limber frigate]

maybe ayaneo is going to release bt headphones 👀

[cloud cipher]

btw I don't want to veer into a "just get a steam deck" argument since that's tiring

[fallow abyss]

Yeah man I’m just here cause the device looks sick as fuck

[chilly quarry]

I do feel like this is in a diff league versus the deck. For better or worse

[static shore]

that was never put on the table. the original point was this better have an arch linux distro to justify the size and power.

and guess what:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.3-Arm-SoC-Updates

[limber frigate]

the original point of yours was that other hypothetical x86*(again shorthand for PC OS so i don't have to say linux/binbows/macOS everytime) with this distro on snapdragon will outsell it?

[austere tendon]

If there was an x86 that was only 500g, thin, compact, with 6-12h of battery life, and a 1080p 120hz 7” OLED, I would buy that. But there isn’t.

[chilly quarry]

For me it really doesn’t need to be x86

Lol

[cloud cipher]

I want to reiterate I personally feel it's important for android handhelds to have that and in this case there was literally no reason to leave that out. I really like a lot of things about this handheld and would've considered buying this used from someone in like 2 years but not having an audio jack and having bottom firing speakers feels like too much of a compromise to me

[static shore]

on the same storefront they have the next-lite, priced 100usd lower that can run android 13, steamos, tablet ubuntu, or win11. once arch is on a device like the EVO, it will drive the worth of x86 down and make it a non-gridlocked option

[austere tendon]

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a headphone jack. But $2 adapters exist.

[limber frigate]

do we know how much that will really help the battery life though?

[static shore]

but yeah... the headphone jack is a good point

[austere tendon]

With no oled and 2hrs battery life and only 800p

[limber frigate]

or is this just hypothetical hype?

[fallow abyss]

Dawg a stupid premium android device can exist. Everyone else can get a quality option in the Odin 2s

[austere tendon]

Why the gatekeeping. It can be not for you personally, no need to invalidate the device.

[static shore]

oh the device is beautiful. it's more powerful and larger than the odin 2 pro. it just seems to be creating a small circle in the venn diagram of devices.

the last -big- device was the Logitech GCloud

[limber frigate]

i think if there are ppl who want x86 loaded on this thing they will find a way to do that

[austere tendon]

No such thing.

[cloud cipher]

I know I'm being picky, but this is gonna cost too much for me to overlook things. But more power to peeps who don't care

[austere tendon]

Linux on arm is still arm. X86 apps won’t automatically run

[limber frigate]

tru

[chilly quarry]

If it runs you better go catch it

[austere tendon]

Arm might be the future but we’re not quite there yet. So you gotta choose between something like this and x86 with its size/weight/battery tradeoffs

[chilly quarry]

Pocket s looks sweeter everyday ngl

[fallow abyss]

Oled or bust

All day everyday

[chilly quarry]

Bust

[fallow abyss]

Oled or bust

[chilly quarry]

I said bust

[limber frigate]

more like, oled or butt c:<

[austere tendon]

You can buy mine when the EVO comes out 😛

[chilly quarry]

😆 maybe

I know for a fact I’d make it a glorified gba handheld and the pocket flip does everything I want

[lyric imp]

I personally care more about ghosting on a screen than a headphone jack. Some people don't. To each their own.

[inner wedge]

buy pocket EVO
only play GBA

power move @chilly quarry

[static shore]

if you're only going to play gba, might as well get the gcloud for the same 7" oled screen for 100usd less

[austere tendon]

Huh g cloud is not oled

[inner wedge]

[static shore]

my bad. glass ips.

[chilly quarry]

buy anything at all
play only gba

Well I’m not looking to play gba on the evo

[fallow abyss]

Dawg tbf oled gba is fucking tight

[chilly quarry]

I’d want to use it for moonlighting my pc games

[inner wedge]

lmao REAL

[chilly quarry]

As opposed to using my steam deck to play natively/moonlight

[static shore]

those poor rgCube folks with their plastic ips lightbleed screens

[austere tendon]

Crispy integer scaling perfection

[cloud cipher]

fwiw this is one of the reasons I haven't bought an odin 2 either, I'm not dismissing that issue

[lyric imp]

Gcloud is OLED?

[static shore]

no.

it's a really high-quality ips screen. probably it's best feature

[lyric imp]

Wasn't saying you were. Just everyone cares about different things. I see why not having a jack might upset people

[static shore]

basically, it has no or almost no glow whatsoever, which is why oled is popular. you just get a raw black/white output

[fallow abyss]

Yeah the gcloud has the best non oled screen I’ve seen

Really good

[austere tendon]

I think it’s LTPS. Abxylute screen is similar.

[vagrant sphinx]

Wasn’t surprised, although I’m mostly wondering what the specific prices will be.

[static shore]

the price is justified. I mean, it's the step up from the other 7" arm handheld that isn't the switch oled.

[vagrant sphinx]

Like, I was hoping around $600 (maybe $580 if they consider 1440p inherently worth more than 1080p, where OLED 1080p would be $20 more than IPS for the same resolution) for the absolute minimum value retail option without Early Bird or IGG, and then Early Bird and IGG prices would end up being proportionately cheaper.

[vagrant sphinx]

Keep in mind, I don’t care regardless about resolution, I’d take a 480p widescreen OLED if it actually existed as an option that wouldn’t require custom manufacturing. I’m just saying I would exactly be opposed to AYANEO having that mindset (mainly if it’ll mean they sell it cheaper).

[static shore]

the early bird prices are at least decent. retail prices are putting it in Legion Go territory of vastly overpricing its competition and getting stuck in the luxury handheld bubble.

[chilly quarry]

Most people buy early bird or secondhand

[static shore]

at retail, you do have to ask yourself "would i rather just save 300usd and get a used rog ally even if the battery is smaller."

if your answer is no, then you're way above the plebian price bracket of most retro handhelds

[chilly quarry]

Yea maybe if it’s a value thing for you

[static shore]

the line of value is a really blurry one here

[chilly quarry]

Not really. I have $700 I’ll spend $700

Lol

If I want I’ll get it

If $300 is worth saving, then yeah the value proposition of a deck or ally is way better

There also just completely different. Man I heckin love android

[devout osprey]

then there's the odin 2 or odin 2 mini

OLED is nice but is it $300 nicer?

[inner wedge]

tbf oled solves the two biggest problems that people have with these displays
ghosting and vignetting

[devout osprey]

and the people who are picky about those things are usually the people not averse to plopping down $700 for a device that covers those things which is fair

[chilly quarry]

700 was an arbitrary number btw lol

[inner wedge]

need ayn to like

grab the o2mini chassis and design, pop an oled in there

perfection

[devout osprey]

sure, arbitrary but it's also already been mentioned this is gonna be more than the pocket S, so not out of the question

hell, it might even be conservative

[chilly quarry]

I really doubt it’ll be early bird 700

[devout osprey]

gimme that, or the regular O2 with a better-textured plastic and OLED

either one

[fallow abyss]

You have no clue how hard my oled degeneracy has gotten

[chilly quarry]

In any case. You can get a $150 Roku tv or a $1300 LG oled tv. It’s the same thing. There will always be crazy oled upcharge. If you don’t want it then don’t get it lol

[inner wedge]

ok here's my idea

o2m chassis but we put the rp4p plastic in that with oled

https://tenor.com/view/trade-offer-gif-21546586

[devout osprey]

i like that idea

well, i don't know what the plastic of the mini feels like.

but the rp4 plastic is nice

[inner wedge]

ever used a king kong 2 pro controller from gulikit?

[devout osprey]

nope

[inner wedge]

uhhhhhh

ever used a 2017-2018 dell latitude

[devout osprey]

hahaha

no

[inner wedge]

fuck

it's rubber-ish but about the same plastic, still smudges

3 days and I can see them

[devout osprey]

thats what i figured

[static shore]

or just use the matte vinyl plastic of the oxp products.

it's like harmony on your fingertips

[inner wedge]

never had an oxp product so couldn't tell you

just needs to have that grit feel and we're good

[devout osprey]

my complaint about the o2big since i got it has always been the plastic texture so im on board with more texture in general

[inner wedge]

after going from the rp4p/o2mini to the o2 big, I'm just like "woah this is such a bigger screen"

[devout osprey]

thats how i felt going from the rp3+ to the o2big

[fallow abyss]

Dawg I still can’t believe anbernic brought oled at the price they did

[static shore]

you mean for the 556?

[fallow abyss]

No the cube

/s.

[static shore]

poor cube. 😦

[fallow abyss]

Best screen (if you don’t count like every other screen ever)

[static shore]

the thing is you can buy better 4" panels for it that fit the socket. its just sad that anbernic didn't

[fallow abyss]

I still feel like I’m overall gaslit on how good 1:1 is supposed to be lol

[static shore]

it's like vegan food. if that's all there is, i'll eat it, but otherwise i'll just have some meat

[austere tendon]

I don’t get it either.

[quartz raft]

1:1 is for squares

[prime verge]

https://tenor.com/view/arcade-paradise-wired-productions-arcade-gif-22735359

[fallow abyss]

I might really have to give ayaneo my money on this one

[golden bane]

Same..

[fallow abyss]

These madmen actually put every single thing I want in an android handheld in one

I thought it would take forever to see something like this

[golden bane]

Yh me too

Were left without a choice

[eternal dust]

Yeah now the only problem left is it's Android

[earnest gulch]

That's the best thing

[real bridge]

I think at 1080p the SOC is great so you can upscale PS2 without any care in the world.

Personally I like the route the GCloud took and would love to see a really lower end SOC geared just to streaming and can handle 720p GC/PS2

That said I doubt it would be more than like $50 less so totally not worth it.

[cloud cipher]

I like android. The problem is some android stock roms are worse than others

[real bridge]

I was pleased with the Ayn Android build. Not as much with Retroid and haven’t used Ayaneo.

Anbernic though 💀

[cloud cipher]

lol pretty much

oh and powkiddy android was just awful lol. when blackseraph worked on the x18s he discovered "some nasty stuff" aka straight up malware lol

[real bridge]

I won’t sign into Anbernic with my main account. Ayn I did though

[tardy compass]

I like ayas a lot more than ayns.

Ayas has some bugs to work out. But the default home screen is phenomenal, and the side menu is miles better than ayns. A lot more functionality and not only does it not have the persistent white bar on the side of the screen, but it also works entirely with the controls of the device(tho depending on the game, some of the controls don't work, it pauses controls for the game but not all get enabled for the menu, dpad and face buttons work 99% of the time)

With the rate of software updates it could be a very solid experience right out the box without the need of any external apps beyond emulators.

Even the rom launcher is coming along albeit a lot slower. Most systems now get recognized, no vita yet, but the Metadata and box arts are still not functioning properly.

[austere tendon]

The abxylute “pro” is coming which is supposed to be a refresh of their offering, but with better sticks and a SoC “more powerful” than the G Cloud. So that might actually deliver what you’re asking for.

[real bridge]

The last one was a complete and utter failure. I expect the same from the second one lol

[austere tendon]

Maybe, maybe not. I think they have hopefully learned something. The first one had too weak of a SoC and poorly tuned overly sensitive switch sticks. If they do better sticks/tuning and have a more powerful SoC I could see it having potential.

[rain cairn]

Hold on since whenn

[austere tendon]

https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1199756678225219625

[sacred gorge]

I'm glad you brought up the lack of a headphone jack; that is a nigh-dealbreaker to ME. Though I do own nice wirelessheadphones, I've generally only used IEMs to play on any handheld because of how small they are. I'm guessing this is starting at $399-599 knowing AYA, so yeah, at that price and without a size constraint why not include a headphone jack?!

[hollow nova]

It's going to cost more so my guess is $499

[austere tendon]

Yeah 500 at least

Arthur already said more expensive than Pocket S

Lack of headphone jack sucks but usb c headphone adapters are cheap

[lyric imp]

Usb C headphones are cheap also. 5 dollars a pair at Walmart

[rain cairn]

Yh saw it we need that

[lyric imp]

OLED switch is so nice can’t wait for this to drop

[golden bane]

same

[thorn rock]

Better start getting paperwork ready for second mortgage 😅

[inner wedge]

already? damn

[thorn rock]

Yep. Should know price hopefully. I think preorders opening for china soon

[austere tendon]

Sharing session usually doesn’t have price. There will probably still be another event for launch and price

[thorn rock]

Ahhh ok. Saw people mentioning preorders for china on aya discord.

[austere tendon]

Yeah probably the reservation fee thing “surprise order” or whatever they call it

[thorn rock]

Yeah. Thats most likely it

[austere tendon]

Still at least it’s a good indicator launch isn’t too far away

[lyric imp]

Predictions on price.

[teal oar]

$600+

[eternal dust]

500 to 600

[loud loom]

Feels like a solid 800-900 imo

If the pocket s is already ~500. No way this is going to be about the same price

[eternal dust]

Thinking they can get away with charging more than a top-tier steam deck is absolute hubris and will probably be the downfall of this company eventually, so I sincerely hope you're wrong

[lyric imp]

8-900 is a insane amount of money.

[vital vale]

Well you also have to remember that Valve can take a hit on the Deck because they make that money back through Steam purchases, and its more mass produced than an Ayaneo handheld.

[eternal dust]

Of course I remember that, someone mentions it everyday

[lyric imp]

this has been proven false.

[eternal dust]

To the end consumer though, they do not care

[vital vale]

The main thing this device has against it is that its competiting against the Odin 2 Pro tho

can't win against that price-performance ratio

[eternal dust]

Yeah pretty much, this should be odin 2 money plus $100 because of oled

[lyric imp]

This is for anyone that doesn't like the Odin 2. There are lots of people that don't like it.

[eternal dust]

High-end Android devices are super niche though, I'm not sure I could convince myself to buy something like this over a Windows handheld which can play thousands of PC games

It's a different story when they're in different price brackets

[vital vale]

Yeah, there just isn't a lot of Android games that really need high end specs right now.

[loud loom]

They aren't competing against the odin2 in price though. They've shown time and time again they see themselves as a luxury brand and are willing to change a premium

[eternal dust]

PC also has much more advanced emulation development

[vital vale]

I guess if you wanted Winlator, maybe this could work though?

big maybe

[loud loom]

It's like saying apple products will fail because they cost much more than equivalent PC or android products

[eternal dust]

Yeah winlator is still a bit too early for me personally but maybe in a few years that'll be a huge game changer

[granite cipher]

$450 early bird, $500-$550 starting retail price is my guess here

[vital vale]

That'd be a pretty reasonable price tag

[teal oar]

do we know anyone who mains an Ayaneo device?

[granite cipher]

I think there are a few Pocket Air mains still around

I know some of the RH crew love it

Though the 556 might have stolen that

[teal oar]

whenever I see stuff by Ayaneo they always review nicely but I never read/hear about people who actively use them

[eternal dust]

They're made to look nice not actually be used

[fallow abyss]

I think 6-700$ realistically

[vital vale]

They aren't that bad, at least the Pocket Air. Its not like Anbernic/Powkiddy where they have major hardware problems and require community fixes.

I like the Windows Air, but the battery life is just too poor to be brought along on the go. Android is the way to go.

[fallow abyss]

It’s because most people gravitate to either ~50$ devices or best value devices. Ayaneo is basically never best value, nor will they ever be cheap

[teal oar]

So they're the apple of this hobby but worse because they aren't really meant to be used heavily?

[fallow abyss]

Nah just that they will never have a huge base, they are pretty niche in an already niche hobby

Most people really active and talking in this community talk about cheap or good value devices

[teal oar]

I can't see how as a company they can hold up for long not really branching out into different price brackets

[fallow abyss]

I mean, if they sell enough for their targets it shouldn’t matter. They have to have better margins

[teal oar]

I feel GPD is now in the same situation

They don't make any budget devices anymore and it's all high end shnazzy stuff

[vital vale]

Ayaneo probably saw the writing on the wall a while ago, which is why they're moving to Android. I'd really love for GPD to make good claimshell Androids again tho

[fallow abyss]

Still, above all, I’m cool with them making this device. Just for a shot at the most absurdly nice android I’ve ever seen. Even if it doesn’t make sense financially, or whatever blah blah blah, I just want to see if they pull off the best android device by a mile

[eternal dust]

Outside of different form factors, I don't think ayaneo can compete with the big boys. None of these Chinese companies can

And even then different form factors is ultra niche. Who in their right mind is going to opt for a form factor of their choice if it means literally half the battery size

Transitioning to Android is also a mistake I feel

Poor software development keeps high-end Android in a precarious position

[hollow nova]

Feel like early birds gonna start in the $500 range

[limber frigate]

the big boys? are we talking asian markets or are we centering western markets? bc they kind of are the big boys from what i can tell in their respective domestic markets.

[limber frigate]

android includes a looooooooooot of genshin players in the east

probably most of them tbh.

why do you think it's always in their promo material lol

if they were focused at all on western markets you'd see western games like fortnite or overwatch being shown off. it's just a nice bonus market bc there isn't a ton of competition making compact handhelds even in the west. less when it's on android.

[limber frigate]

me i would

[lyric imp]

I really don't know anyone that is upset with their AYAneo stuff.

[hollow nova]

They make almost solid products but the software isn't the best

https://tenor.com/view/iron-giant-art-gif-23398178

[austere tendon]

Me over here with two Ayaneo devices looking at buying a third…

I’m also saying $5XX

[vital vale]

Their software gets better over time, it’s just more that they don’t exactly launch the same. The Pocket Air is great now, but when it launched it unfortunately had nothing like proper controller mapping built in.

[fallow abyss]

Fucking razer man lol

[fallow abyss]

I’d imagine 6-7

[prime verge]

android native gaming is a big market for them at least domestically, but I agree - android's lack of any real open source culture or community just leads to abandoned and scam emulators everywhere you look.

PPSSPP is what all android emulators should aspire to but in the end most android users don't seem to really give a shit about FOSS

so they get stuff like aether instead

[teal oar]

Mupen64FZ is another good example imo

[rain cairn]

Plus if you even wait for aftermarket it would be cheaper

An example ayaneo 2021 4500u is 270

Ayaneo geek 1s 6800u is 400

And I'm just talking in uk prices only

[lyric imp]

Pockets air is how much? What about the pocket S?

[rain cairn]

Pocket air is like 279

Ebay ones can sold out pretty quick

Ayaneo pocket s is not too bad In indegogo is 312 to 499

I only found ayaneo pocket s on ebay and its 499

[fallow abyss]

There’s a pocket air in selling for 215, but otherwise yeah expect closer to 300

[rain cairn]

Exactly this

When it comes to ayaneo aftermarket devices , it's cheaper price

[austere tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-aoogah-awoogah-awooga-love-gif-19805850

[brave granite]

Did the pocket s ' different performance modes get fixed yet? Remember reading it was either choosing full speed/clock all the time (at expense of heat and battery life), or slower modes that can't perform reliably even for lower end emulation.

[austere tendon]

I haven’t had issues running pretty much everything up to PS2/Gc in balanced mode. Only need to up gpu max clock limit for a couple harder ps2/gc games.

[brave granite]

Maybe they tuned it, recall someone having issue with stuff like DC and n64 at 1440p in balanced mode, like all the modes except the highest is too aggressively limiting the cpu and gpu

[amber hamlet]

Damn, seems im selling my gcloud if Ayaneo delivers on this, looks good so far

[tender thunder]

Yeah bro, same

This is just g cloud on steroids

[amber hamlet]

Really hope so I'm a sucker for that thing, its just so nice to hold I end up gravitating towards it even though its a bit underpowered.
Probably going to hit that 450 pricetag for base right?

Best case scenario 😂😅

[tender thunder]

I’m guessing 500 minimum

[granite cipher]

That's how much the Pocket DMG with the same chip is

[tender thunder]

That's surprisingly disappointing

Safest bet is to base the price off the pocket s price

Since its basically the pocket s big brother

[hollow nova]

Arthur already confirmed it will cost more

and since he didn't say near the pocket s price like he did with the dmg

500+ starting is my guess

[cloud cipher]

I know how aya fans are but I still hope no one buys the DMG because that would send them the message that these kind of designs are okay

[loud loom]

well...you can see the number of backers

[lyric imp]

Some people like it. IDC what others do with their own money.

[brisk dagger]

The analog stick placement remains the only thing on it that bothers me.

Move the stick to a sane location and put it in a world where the Evo isn’t hanging over it like a guillotine, and I really might be buying one.

[vital vale]

It would've been a must buy...if they used literally any other chip than a Snapdragon Gen 2.

Why in gods name would they shove that into a vertical device with the D-pad on top

[tender thunder]

Cuz this is AyaNeo we’re talking about

[vital vale]

I still like their Air products...but I will never understand the CEO's mindset

[tender thunder]

Drugs would be my first thought

[vital vale]

I'd love to take what he's having because it must be some good stuff 👌

[vagrant sphinx]

They didn’t, they’re using the Snapdragon G3X Gen 2.

Which is even more insane.

[tender thunder]

They’re basically the same chip but yeah

[quartz raft]

i like the dmg but no way im paying that price lmao

[tender thunder]

When I said I wanted a 4:3 capable of all GC and PS2 this is not what I meant

[eternal dust]

I'm less concerned about the weird analog stick and touchpad, the reason I think it's a bad device is because a high-end chip doesn't work with this vertical form factor

Paying this much money and playing higher end emulation in this form factor is subpar and unoptimal and not a great experience. Don't know why you would do it

[tender thunder]

Well that’s a matter of opinion

[amber hamlet]

Well if you were lucky enough to snag it for 339.. I guess its somewhat decent value, all specs considered..
It's nor for me, but I understand the appeal, it's definitely a gorgeous device

Will still keep my fingers crossed for a 450 Evo 😂

[tender thunder]

I hate to be a Debbie downer but there is little to no chance this thing is cheaper than $500 EB

[fallow abyss]

It’s gonna be over 600 lol

Just genuinely

[tender thunder]

Don't say that

[thorn rock]

The screen alone is expensive. I think Arthur hinted at that before

[tender thunder]

It'll be 500-600 for the base model I know that

[quartz raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyDtRL7898Q

i likeyyyyyy

the wheel dimmer is slick

[lyric imp]

that doesn't look like 3:2

[jade finch]

1240x1080 which makes it 31x27 and very weird. Should be ok for 8x7 and 4x3. But it's still a weird aspect ratio.

[prime verge]

very close to 10:9 as well for gameboy

[quartz raft]

How do they choose these strange resolutions?

Or is that what was available for that particular display

[tender thunder]

Random number generator

[brisk dagger]

Leftover parts from other strange devices, like the LG wing in this case

[wet laurel]

dumpster diving in the chinese sea of mass producable screens

sometimes you get lucky though

and source the right screen at the right time

[sand phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/live/JsTfWBakeHY

[tender thunder]

8600mah battery

[raw mountain]

That's not nearly bad as I thought, might still be a little more than I am willing to spend...

Really wish they would have angled those sticks and buttons more.

[cloud cipher]

gotta say, early bird pricing is actually really good

expected something like official retail pricing for early bird

[austere tendon]

Woke up to this, damn, that is cheaper than I expected

Question is do I just get base, or do I splurge since this will probably be my main device

[real bridge]

Well guess who is $400 poorer

[cloud cipher]

if peeps just want to stream base is more than fine enough already

[tardy compass]

Id say go atleast for the 12gb model. The screen will make you want to use this more.

[austere tendon]

My pocket S is 16/512 and will probably get sold when this arrives

[cloud cipher]

I'll go further and say even if you wanted to emulate you're still fine with 8gb ram unless you want to play the very few switch games that would need more than that

the ones that work given the state of switch emulation on android anyway

[austere tendon]

One limitation is if you're going to install any larger android games, 128gb will be gone quickly

I think My Pocket S has more than 128gb used internally and my roms are all on a mSD

[real bridge]

This is gonna be a purely streaming device for me lol… GCloud on ‘roids

[cloud cipher]

yeah that's fair android gaming is a valid reason to need more

[real bridge]

I wish it had dual top sticks lol

[austere tendon]

I think 256 is a more comfortable baseline than 128. But it's a significant price jump

[fallow abyss]

Wait this is real?

[somber oak]

Yes I took it from the press conference this morning

[fallow abyss]

At those prices I have to try it out

Wow that’s nuts

[amber hamlet]

That's always the dilema..
I'm inclined to go for base cause Im gonna use a msd aniway..
When Odin 2 launched the 8 gb of RAM ended up being plenty enough

[fallow abyss]

Anyone know when it goes live?

[weary musk]

6 days

[austere tendon]

Yeah, as I mentioned It's not really the storage for roms or RAM even because I'll use mSD, just that android apps and games will fill up 128 pretty quickly.

[weary musk]

For what it is, that price is pretty amazing.

[fallow abyss]

No genuinely that price is fantastic, compared to what I expected. I have to try it now lmao

[austere tendon]

Campaign starts 8/8/2024 - But doesn't ship until November -

[amber hamlet]

That's fair...
For me I think It's enough, the G cloud had 64gb and even that was manageable...
How's the android flavour on these?

[real bridge]

Not November, Early Of November.

[weary musk]

This is not my thing at all.

And even I am looking at it thinking....maybe.....

[austere tendon]

And for those with disposable income:

Premium colorway tax

[real bridge]

Man, that right stick looks so low. I might have to pass due to ergonomics 😦

[weary musk]

That one's a bit silly 😜

[inner wedge]

24gb of ram lmfao????

that's so extra

[fallow abyss]

I think 12-256 is going to be the most popular

[inner wedge]

anyway you want that one for the 256gb of storage
if you remotely play anything like genshin/honkai/wuthering waves/zenless, you'll want that

[austere tendon]

HDR 800 nits

[cloud cipher]

nah I think peeps learned from odin 2 and base will be most popular 😆

[fallow abyss]

lol

[inner wedge]

my o2 mini base wants some more storage

this is also settling to be "the one" for a lot of people, so definitely don't skimp out

[cloud cipher]

skimp out on what, android games? 😏

[inner wedge]

[cloud cipher]

jk I know how popular those are even on handhelds

[inner wedge]

take my advice and go 256gb

texture packs for dolphin

[austere tendon]

My pocket S has 187GB used

[fallow abyss]

At that price, especially base igg, it’s at the range even normal consumers could call it the ultimate android. Hopefully there’s no fumbles cause this is looking like a holy grail dude

[inner wedge]

iirc pocket S started at 8+256, didn't it

[austere tendon]

12/128

there was no 8gb model

[ember hatch]

Aya charges like $30 for shipping so factor that in as well

[inner wedge]

they do now?

iirc they switched to free shipping with the pocket S, didn't they?

[ember hatch]

I looked at the pocket s recently it was $30 shipping

[real bridge]

Does anyone know if Android HDR works with Moonlight?

[austere tendon]

I think that the 8gb/128 is fodder to hit the lower price point. 12/256 is kinda more comparable to where the pocket s started (12/128) and then it's 459 vs 440 - so technically more expensive.

[ember hatch]

On igg

[inner wedge]

checked pocket S, I see lmao

[ember hatch]

Yep even worse haha

[inner wedge]

cad cad

so still 30 usd

[fallow abyss]

I’m so glad to be an American when it comes to tech lmao

[inner wedge]

I envy y'all

but my wallet is happy

[weary musk]

Once they sorted out the swap memory issue

[inner wedge]

if 8+256 was available as the base SKU, would be the most popular

perfect mix imo

[cloud cipher]

ahhh yeah that was a thing in the early days when yuzu was crashing nonstop on odin 2 base

[tardy compass]

Main thing is storage imo. 128 just isn't enough unless you just don't play native android games.

[amber hamlet]

True!
Didn't remember that...
Maybe go for 12/256 for the peace of mind

[weary musk]

For a while there the base Odin 2 wasn't running switch stuff I could run on my RP Flip 👀

[inner wedge]

12/256 is a good middle ground because of that storage, learned that with the mini base

[tardy compass]

Its really not that bad. It should be better than the geek. And that's pretty good actually. The issue with it is the bumpers which should be mitigated with the reduced height overall.

[cloud cipher]

yeah I get that, personally I'm not too invested in android games so I'm biased

[fallow abyss]

Counterpoint, I just play sonic mania and dead cells

[inner wedge]

ya, if you're not interested in the big android games, 128 will work

[weary musk]

My dude, you ever used a PlayStation controller

[fallow abyss]

/s.

[inner wedge]

but as soon as you download HSR or ZZZ, that's 20gb off your drive

[tardy compass]

Then you'll be fine on sd. But man some of these games are fun and eat way too much storage.

[fallow abyss]

I’m joking lol, but really there are just a few android games I care about

Soooooo

[real bridge]

Yeah, but I don’t actually find it comfortable for that reason.

It’s not really where it is mounted in the chassis, it’s that the grip doesn’t go low enough below the stick if that makes sense.

[fallow abyss]

Whose going to cop one

[austere tendon]

I'm going to order at least the 12/256. Will have to think on if I need/want more

[tender thunder]

Damn

Might get the 1tb version

[fallow abyss]

Yeah I’m looking at 12 or 16 lol

[weary musk]

Base would be more than enough for me.

Don't do android games, and I don't fancy messing with Android switch in its current state.

That screen though.

[amber hamlet]

I'm betting it's at least as confortable as the g cloud..
Everything else seems perfect..
At least for a month until ayn comes up with a 7" Odin 😅

[weary musk]

Ayn just got seriously one upped here.

From Odin 2 ghosting screen, to 120hz OLED.

[tender thunder]

I'm getting either 16gb 512 or 1tb

[golden bane]

Maybe we see a odin 3 oled by the end of the year

[weary musk]

They'll want to respond with something, for sure.

[cloud cipher]

they responded to the pocket s with something

and I don't think the pocket s was even that great

[fallow abyss]

Classic get a steam deck. Didn’t even take long lol

[cloud cipher]

did you tell them you already have one lol

[fallow abyss]

Nah, I went the logical route and just said, for android hardware the price makes sense, and if you compare base steam deck, especially refurbed, then nothing will “make sense”

[weary musk]

If you only want one big/expensive device, it's not wrong.

Can't imagine anyone would get this without already having an x86 though. Unless you really hate fan noise

[tender thunder]

Man this thing got my turbo hyped now after seeing the price

[fallow abyss]

Sammmmeeeeee

I’m an oled fiend

[tender thunder]

Debating on if I need the 1tb or if I should save some bones and get the 512gb

[weary musk]

It's at least $100 less than I expected.

[tender thunder]

Highest specced model EB price is cheaper than what I expected the lowest model to cost

[tardy compass]

Just go 512, 1tb internal is unnecessary. Nothing you could really want to put on here will fill that up. Atleast as far as stuff that has to be on internal.

[tender thunder]

Yeahhhh that's what I was thinking

[fallow abyss]

Yes that’s actually true, I thought this was going to be absurd. The EB is genuinely priced really well, and that’s nuts for aya lol

[ember hatch]

Now hopefully someone will get a pre-production unit in the next month or two so we can find out if there are any glaring flaws we should be aware of

[tender thunder]

I haven't even filled the 256gb on my Odin mini

The Evo has SD card support right

[cloud cipher]

yes

[tender thunder]

Okay good

Yeah I'll prolly go 16gb 512 then

Save a couple bones

[fallow abyss]

Man the DMG is looking really bad now lol

[tardy compass]

Base models are usually great. It's the higher tier stuff that gets out of hand.

[ember hatch]

I'd be ok with the base model. Streaming/Emulators/Android in that order

[tender thunder]

My rabid gamer brain needs max ram

[golden bane]

16gb ram is overkill for android

[cloud cipher]

the DMG was looking bad from the start

[tender thunder]

Real

[ember hatch]

I want the white one but I think it will age like milk with those white sticks

[fallow abyss]

Trueee

[fallow abyss]

Let me introduce 24gb ram

[weary musk]

Gotta really want the ultimate Gameboy.

[inner wedge]

lmao

[fallow abyss]

Dawg tbh the ap is closer to that for me. The aya dmg looks like an insane Frankenstein

[inner wedge]

rip the pocket S

[fallow abyss]

Ok I gotta leave that thread before I start trolling

[cloud cipher]

post it

[weary musk]

Touchpad is nice for windows emulation. And it's a bit more portable.

But yeah, I mean, you're niche if you are getting one or the other, and opt for the DMG.

[fallow abyss]

Fuck it

[inner wedge]

the thermals better be good on this

[weary musk]

Screen is the major difference to be honest, from meh on the Odin 2 to the best in class.

[fallow abyss]

Idk how someone wouldn’t see 120hz oled and big sticks as a plus, genuinely

Those change your actual experience

[tender thunder]

Well with "x86 level cooling" it should be

[inner wedge]

ah yes because ayaneo has absolutely nailed their x86 cooling constantly

[tender thunder]

Hey I'm just saying

[inner wedge]

if this thing has shit thermals, I'm giving the "can't do thermals" badge to aya

[tender thunder]

Well with a body this large it sure as shit shouldn't have bad thermals

[fallow abyss]

For a sd8g2 equivalent i doubt it will be bad tbh

[tender thunder]

Yeah my Odin 2 isn't even that bad

And from what I hear people say neither is the pocket s

[inner wedge]

yeah they nailed the cooling on the o2

[tender thunder]

But man a 8600mah battery is rad

[weary musk]

Pocket Air also had amazing thermals.

Aya do well with cooling.

[brave granite]

Would be interested to get one if switch emulation development didn't get stalled. I can't justify spending (> 300) for a higher end android device now after already having a o2 pro.
Unless it's a "DS" device or something that work perfectly for 3DS.

[inner wedge]

every day I'm sad we lost yuzu

[tender thunder]

I'm more sad that the code is radioactive

[inner wedge]

was there any concrete proof of that

[tender thunder]

I mean

[inner wedge]

apart from a "maybe" since iirc the gdrive they had also had the gigaleaks from ninty

[tender thunder]

Look at sudachi

[brave granite]

Could have more imo. That's around 33wh? Which can go pretty fast if you want to use this chip at its max 15w potential.

[inner wedge]

sudachi is one dude saying it's radioactive

[tender thunder]

I say that meaning any fork is doomed

[inner wedge]

any fork is doomed because they never remove the decryption code

and that's smth nintendo can just dmca you over

[tender thunder]

Tendy has their ninjas everywhere

[weary musk]

It's even hooked in Joey

[tender thunder]

Yeah the Evo hooked me too

[inner wedge]

yknow it's good when even a CANADIAN is hooked into it

[tender thunder]

I used to be an ayaneo hater

[inner wedge]

like he knows damn well he's gonna pay a shit ton of import on it

[inner wedge]

I'll continue but I'm not an hardcore hater

like the evo is way too close to the S which it's stepping on

[tender thunder]

I just have an open mind

[inner wedge]

can they make a new pocket air tho

with a rubber membrane dpad

I liked the look but I can't go back to D900 perf

[weary musk]

D1200

[fallow abyss]

I was agnostic, then I tried their pocket air, fuck me that thing is good

[brisk dagger]

I don’t even know that I was a hater. I was a would-be fan just constantly frustrated with their just bizarre gotchas with all but a couple of their devices for the price.

Ayaneo had me on that Sonic cycle I stg

[inner wedge]

that's no sd8gen2 that I have in the o2 mini tho

I do hate the constant "nuh huh" they have with their products

[weary musk]

Nope. Slightly better than RP4 pro level.

The selling point was always OLED.

But now this exists....

[inner wedge]

the Pocket S,EVO, DMG, Micro not having 3.5mm jacks, the DMG having its DMG colorway be a limited edition, DMG being g3x gen 2 for no reason

[cloud cipher]

I still am

[fallow abyss]

Wife cleared the go ahead. Going to have to pick between 12 and 16

[brave granite]

Does the dmg and micro has 3.5mm jacks?

[inner wedge]

anyway I do have to give it to aya because this isn't 500$ like I anticipated

[vital vale]

I came in late but I'm actually impressed, its an Ayaneo product with a reasonable pricetag.

[brave granite]

Or are they removing the 3.5mm from all their future handhelds?

[inner wedge]

no

the DMG doesn't

the micro seemingly doesn't either

alright now they have no excuse wtf the micro isn't g3x gen 2

[brave granite]

That's crap, hope they leave it intact on their x86 devices

[inner wedge]

it's bottom firing too

like the pocket EVO and S (?)

DMG I think is side firing?

that does suck though because it also means I'm never buying them used

I like being to just plug in a pair of IEMs whenever I want to without worrying about charging or an adapter

[austere tendon]

I just bought iems with a usb c cable for the pocket s. Keep them in my pocket s case. Problem solved.

I mean, I get that it sucks but I’m over it

[inner wedge]

yeah that works too

but all my iems here are 3.5mm

my phone still has a jack so I'm not switching to usb c

[rain cairn]

Lmaoooo crazy

[brave granite]

Aya seems allergic to front firing speakers as well, so much space for this one to have one

[inner wedge]

front firing would have been a massive plus for this yeah

they could have put some beefy ones

[rain cairn]

Am I crazy or this device making me second choice to getting odin 2 or asus rog ally

[fallow abyss]

Rog ally is rog ally, but this does make sense over an Odin 2 if you are willing to pay a premium

[vital vale]

LCD or OLED, which way western man

[tardy compass]

Not just not ghost, but go even further with black frame insertion to really improve the motion clarity.

Plus this is actually ergonomic, or atleast it should be based on my experience with the geek.

[inner wedge]

what games do you wanna play

[austere tendon]

Ha I lost that a long time ago. I have lots of 3.5 iems and headphones too. I just have dongles and a Bluetooth dac.

[inner wedge]

still rocking that S10 with a 3.5mm jack

[tardy compass]

Should be, heatsink is substantially larger and the fins are something like 3x longer, 30% taller, and theres more of them. Plus a larger fan.

Keep in mind this chips maximum is equivalent to around 8w tdp.

[inner wedge]

I haven't peeked in the ayaneo serv for a bit, did they fix up the weird performance governors issues

[tardy compass]

Most the time it sits around 6-7w tdp if not much lower.

[tardy compass]

Some of them.

[rain cairn]

Ermmm emulation and pc games but the price of evo in uk look even okay for me when I translate dollars to pounds

[tardy compass]

Gpu is a little wonky rn, but they are making a "max clocks" toggle, so you can just set it to whatever arbitrary threshold and it'll be locked there.

[inner wedge]

if you have any interest in pc games (esp steam), ally would prob be a better bet imo

[brave granite]

Not 15W? Their own slide showing that as well.

[vagrant sphinx]

Yeah, it’s surprisingly cheaper than the Pocket S, but me and Jade did hypothesize that the reason for such is that the Pocket S would likely have an insanely more costly shell since it’s cnc’ed metal, which would be insanely more expensive for something that small, thin, and even likely complicated.

[inner wedge]

I don't play stardew on odin2/mini because I like my steam cloud saves

[fallow abyss]

Basically

This is one of the easiest cops of my life

[tardy compass]

Problem we're facing right now is some of the larger games haven't updated to properly support these drivers and recognize the chip, so games like zzz have some issues, wuwa has lower frames and zzz has bad pop in.

Betmarble did great and supported the chip 1 update after this launched on solo leveling arise.

[vagrant sphinx]

Although at the same time, they did say it would be more expensive, which makes this a surprisingly enjoyable lie if there wasn’t some miscommunication.

[tardy compass]

TDP on windows is only the cpu.

Tdp on android is the whole chips power

Depending on a few factors 8-9w tdp is around 15w after gpu is included.

[rain cairn]

But I kinda want both lmao 🥲🥲😭

[tardy compass]

And even in demanding games this only really hits like 11-13w.

[brave granite]

oh you mean strictly the cpu itself

[vagrant sphinx]

Nice, have fun with it, and I definitely would say that this is likely gonna be a much better device than the Pocket Air (even if it gets GammaOS).

[brave granite]

tdp on windows also includes gpu for integrated stuff anyway when people are talking about them

[inner wedge]

I'd say 12gb for sure

[tardy compass]

I just mean tdp to tdp. The consumption of this will never exceed about 10w tdp on windows.

[inner wedge]

unless some breakthrough happen with linux (winlator) or straight up linux

[tardy compass]

Even the air thin cooling is overkill for this chip and the cooling here is a fair bit bigger.

[fallow abyss]

I’m likely going 16gb lol

[tardy compass]

The pocket S thermal issue actually has nothing to do with the fan. The fan is overkill by a lot. The fins are way too small and it can't vent heat away fast enough.

[inner wedge]

thought so

had a similar opposite issue with an aftermarket heatsink for the deck lcd

[rain cairn]

That's why we got x86 special fannnnn

[tardy compass]

Also side note, don't bother with max fan on the pocket S, high already goes beyond the thermal limit and low is really damn close.

Were going to get custom fan control later and something like 2800-3000rpm is gonna be the max you'll ever need

Low caps out at 2400-2500rpm, high is something like 3200-3400, and max is just locked at 5k

[weary musk]

I've never been tempted by a large android before, and even I am thinking about this one.

[austere tendon]

I never really had a governor issue. I put the Pocket S in balanced mode for everything. I occasionally go into the menu to raise the GPU clock speed for certain ps2/gc/switch games, but otherwise don't touch the profiles.

The device gets too hot on max anyway

[lyric imp]

this is what I going for.

[austere tendon]

12/256 at least makes more sense than the 12/128 on the pocket s sku

256 is a more comfortable size for apps

There's really not much reason to go higher than that, but I probably will anyway because I like burning my money

[lyric imp]

Wait we can order on the 8th

[vagrant sphinx]

Yeah, might as well “go big” if this is already your endgame handheld.

[austere tendon]

Appears that way

[lyric imp]

I am ready and not ready. I was thinking orders would go live in September. Maybe have it by the end of the year.

Six days to figure out if I want white or black.

[tardy compass]

I have balance for cpu limited stuff. Game I have everything maxed with the middle cpu governor, and max is the same but with the performance governor. Some games want it but this that don't can save up 0.5-2w per hour

[austere tendon]

I guess I'm not playing anything that needs more than balance

[tardy compass]

Or be crazy and get retro

[austere tendon]

I don't like holding the device when it gets too hot

Seriously though, is there anything that could ever take advantage of 24gb ram in android? Winlator?

[tardy compass]

Stays pretty nice in max after the current updates as long as you aren't really pushing it. Most android games are fine

[tardy compass]

No

Theres none.

[austere tendon]

YEah that's what I thought

[lyric imp]

I am good. I hate the color scheme. Ya, me

[austere tendon]

I'm probably going white again

aya black is always smudgy

[tardy compass]

My only problem is the greenish triggers.

Would have much rather had the thin air 1s retro color.

[lyric imp]

I was going to ask that.

[tardy compass]

This shell specifically is very smudgey. The pocket s back play finish is actually pretty good at rejecting smudges. But on this they are eternal.

Go light if it bothers you.

[fallow abyss]

Quite literally this is everything I’ve ever asked for at a reasonable price. This shit is actual endgame

[rain cairn]

What is your main devices Mr super retro bottle

[austere tendon]

I'm narrowing down... I think it's gonna be white in either 12/256 or 16/512.

[tardy compass]

Endgame for me is a android DS device. Similar thickness to the 3ds would be perfect.

Both oled ofcourse

[austere tendon]

90% likelihood of white 16/512... exactly what i did for pocket s

although black with an oled screen is tempting

for the disappearing bezels

[fallow abyss]

Steam deck oled (I prefer android overall for emulation, just for per game profiles)
556 (love it but small sticks and a little weaker than I want)
Switch oled

Basically oled or bust

[austere tendon]

Ugh, november... so far away

[rain cairn]

So basically you are replacing rg556 for pocket evo 👀

[vagrant sphinx]

That 556 comment is probably why you’re already enjoying the Pocket Air then?

[austere tendon]

Ok, real talk - do I sell Pocket S now and go withut for a few months until the evo? Or wait until the evo arrives?

The thing is i have to spend the money on the evo next week..

so selling it now has that advantage

[inner wedge]

wait until the evo is reviewed

discord wtf lmao

[austere tendon]

That's a big IF... are there even review units for DMG or Micro?

[inner wedge]

nobody's interested in this I guess

• Discord

[rain cairn]

Good quick question = what is your thoughts on pocket s

[austere tendon]

That I like it, it's light, feels comfy, great screen res. Get's hot on super demanding stuff but otherwise fine. I'm happy with it, the EVO just ticks more boxes for me.

[rain cairn]

Like switch emulation

[austere tendon]

Depends

on game

switch emulation is hit and miss

[fallow abyss]

Honestly I’ll probably keep it to take outdoors/more rugged places, and when working out on like a treadmill. It’s very sturdy, and I wouldn’t want to damage my more premium stuff lol

[fallow abyss]

Actually more the handfeel. The pocket air feels pretty premium

[austere tendon]

I think ayaneo always delivers on feel

[rain cairn]

Deffo make sense

[vagrant sphinx]

Oh absolutely.

[rain cairn]

More I get into retro devices or emulation or handhelds space more I appreciate ayaneo designs of the device

Especially the looks of the device

[lyric imp]

Selling the S now might get you the most profits.

[tender thunder]

IDK about y'all but I'm selling my G Cloud now that this beast is coming

[lyric imp]

I will give you 110 for it. Kidding

[tender thunder]

Deal

[lyric imp]

I think you could get 150 shipped easy for it. I really don't want it.

[quartz raft]

are there HDR shaders? or is HDR basically useless for retrogaming

[golden bane]

Yes retroarch supports hdr and there are crt hdr shaders but sadly no hdr support for android yet

[austere tendon]

I think in android most HDR is limited to video streams? I could be wrong. But that would mean something like moonlight would support HDR.

[quartz raft]

maybe some android games have hdr?

[trail basin]

@austere tendon what is the streaming latency on your pocket s? Assuming this will be the same

[austere tendon]

variable depending on bitrate and which performance mode

anywhere from i think like 6ms to 12ms? I can pull it out and check

[trail basin]

hm decent

that sounds ballpark average for android streaming

[austere tendon]

1080p/60/30mbps -7ms

in balance moide

ingame mode dropping to 5ms

power saving - 8-9ms

[trail basin]

7ms in balance mode is good enough for me I suppose. I would not stream a shooter on that

but then again I am older now and not a sweaty gamer

thanks!

[austere tendon]

since evo has 120hz - 1080/120/60Mbps game mode - 6ms

same in balance - 7-7.5ms

I think this is similar to any 8g2 device

G Cloud gets about 12 if you prefer lowest latency, but 20+ms if you prefer smoothest

these are all on balanced frame pacing, i didn't find any benefit from prefer lowest latency

If I really crank down res/bitrate I can get to 3.5ms at 720p/60/14Mbit.

So yeah, I would say 6-9ms range for reasonable settings

[trail basin]

yep I get ~12 on g cloud and I don't like it

[austere tendon]

pocket s also has wifi 6/7 vs 5 on g cloud right

so potentially some network latency savings

[trail basin]

true!

[austere tendon]

TBH i haven't done much streaming to the pocket s, usually y700 for that since bigger screen. But I plan to do lots of streaming with the EVO

it won't ever compete with x86 at sub 1ms decode, but it's reasonable for android

[eternal dust]

Base will be sold out within an hour or two

[cloud cipher]

ah so it's a limited quantity thing?

[real bridge]

I’d actually pay $110 for one

[tender thunder]

Shit, you in the states?

[real bridge]

Yeah

[tender thunder]

Rad

[austere tendon]

Usually it's a limited quantity per price... like 200 units at X price, then 200 units at Y price, then 200 units at Z price.

Not completely limited, just early bird pricing limited

[tender thunder]

if you're serious about it DM and we can hash something out

[real bridge]

They are just talking about the body right?

[chilly quarry]

Yeah and Arthur calling the body “grips”

Lol

[austere tendon]

Yeah, I mean the person is asking for grips on a larger handheld, so Arthur is just saying not needed since the device already has grips built in.

[eternal dust]

Just keep in mind guys, the screen they're using is probably the same screen as the Zotac x86 handheld coming out, which means a lot of companies are going to get their hands on this screen. Only buy this if you like everything about it not just for the screen

[tender thunder]

the zone is OLED?

[austere tendon]

Just keep in mind - do whatever you want.

[austere tendon]

Yeah, though there has been no info about it since computex

[chilly quarry]

I am not convinced a lot of companies will get their hands on it. And ayaneo doesn’t have many surprises

[austere tendon]

It's also huge and ugly

[tender thunder]

and made by zotac

[austere tendon]

I mean, we will definitely see more 7" oled panels in devices. There's another on alix that is not the one in the evo. They're just starting to surface

[tender thunder]

yeah I doubt we'll see something of the same caliber as the Evo any time soon

unless Ayn puts something out

[chilly quarry]

Right but from companies you’d willingly buy from? The only one I can think of being potentially something anyone would want is retroid or ayn

[weary musk]

Anbernic win700 OLED.

Maybe.

[chilly quarry]

Lmao

[tender thunder]

[fallow abyss]

Yeeeeettttt

[austere tendon]

I mean, if they released an odin 2 mega with this screen people would wet their pants over it

There will always be something newer/better eventually though

[eternal dust]

Considering they have seemingly dropped their Windows handheld line, I could see an OLED version coming.

[weary musk]

Worked for the Steam Deck 💪

[fallow abyss]

I mean full size sticks is also a huge plus

[austere tendon]

Oh yeah, I wouldn't pick an oled odin 2 over this, unless that odin 2 had loki body or something

[weary musk]

People don't talk enough about this. Turns a handheld from a compromise into a great way to play.

[austere tendon]

I'm selling my pocket s next week to pay for this thing, I'm that sold on it.

and I like my pocket s

[fallow abyss]

People who can’t see why for 90 you’d want a miles better screen and full size sticks would truly never get it. They would always be budget conscious people

[quartz raft]

can wifi 7 signal travel further than 6e?

[fallow abyss]

Which is fine, but for 90 min oh yeah dude, give me

[tender thunder]

i think so?

but wifi 7 is kinda just a gimmick

like wifi 6e

[quartz raft]

6e is pretty weaksauce. at least with my experience with it

[tender thunder]

not very practical

[quartz raft]

but when its working, zoom zoom

[austere tendon]

I just have plain 6 in my house, works fine but I don't have a megamansion

[tender thunder]

yeah 6e is kinda poo

[quartz raft]

i got 6e specifically for my quest 3 pcvr

[tender thunder]

it's nice for FTP stuff but not for practical wifi uses

[eternal dust]

Everyone has different priorities. Personally I am concerned about the audio, the speakers on the 2s were average at best didn't get very loud and were super muffled, and it seems like it'll be the same mold

I don't particularly care about full size analog sticks or not

People have been saying their audio has been bad for many devices now, but they don't improve it

[weary musk]

Ayaneo are not the company you go to for good handheld audio.

That said, handhelds are not really the place you go to for good audio anyhow. Not exactly a cinema sound set up whatever you do

[austere tendon]

The pocket S has clearer audio than prior offerings, but it lacks any low range at all

[tender thunder]

yeah if i want good audio i plug in some headphones

[austere tendon]

But yes, their audio is usually shite

[tender thunder]

i mean

[austere tendon]

And yeah, I wear headphones most of the time as well

[tender thunder]

O2 and o2m audio has been pretty poo in my experience

[quartz raft]

should be fine for genesis games. beeps and farts can only sound so good

[fallow abyss]

Ngl, low latency bt headphones are really nice

[fallow abyss]

Doesn’t it not have a headphone jack

[tender thunder]

nope

it's got usb C tho

[fallow abyss]

Oh gotcha

[austere tendon]

yeah, supports usb dongles fine

I bought a pair of IEMs with usb c built in

ez

[tender thunder]

as much as people hate on the removal of 3.5mm plus, in general use, usb C is fine

[fallow abyss]

I haven’t used a 3.5mm in a hot minute lol

[tender thunder]

i haven't used it in ages

[austere tendon]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQWCRP2V?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1 30% off rn

[quartz raft]

anyone here ever get the base model of anything (ie. odin 2, pocket s, etc)? and did you end up getting fomo

[fallow abyss]

I think if you have to ask that question you know what kind of person you are

[weary musk]

Base models are usually the best value to be honest.

You realize that afterwards when you work out "more gb for future proofing" doesn't matter. As the next shiny thing comes along 3 months later anyway.

[fallow abyss]

But yes, saving that money makes sense for the most part, unless you play tons of android

Or some super edge cases where that ram will matter

[chilly quarry]

I get base models of a lot of things

Unless it’s a substantial increase for a minimal amount of $

[golden bane]

Refresh rate, chipset, bezelesss

[weary musk]

Genuinely, when the Odin 2 came out and everyone kept saying it's end game, I was looking at it thinking....I dunno, there are some easy ways to make improvements there. Full size sticks, better screen, etc.

This thing.... assuming there are no silly mistakes like bad software (it is Ayaneo on Android, wouldn't rule it out....) could well be a few years before anything tops it.

[golden bane]

refresh rate, OLED, Snapdragon's dedicated gaming chipset (g3x gen2), amazing bezel less design, controls, build quality as well ngl its all there and thats aside from the mini improvements like battery, wi-fi, chip etc.

EVO has more gpu power than odin 2

base EVO is better value than Odin 2, easily

anyone arguing that it isn't are trolling

[real bridge]

FWIW the sticks on the Odin 2 are as good as you will ever get in a sub-full sized chassis. They are the full sized sticks for not full sized devices.

[hollow nova]

the sticks are smaller than switch sticks

[real bridge]

On the Odin 2? No. They are compact but not smaller. They also don’t pivot, they move like a standard stick. A lot of quality of life changes and they are first person shooter capable unlike Switch sticks

[hollow nova]

I upgraded to slug sticks

[real bridge]

You can’t fit full sized sticks on something like the Odin 2 because of the depth of the chassis and how far the pivot is. You can extend the stick if you want comically tall ones (or swap the cap out), but you’ll never see someone ship them like that lol

[hollow nova]

https://youtu.be/PwDW4x6sLpY?t=988

[weary musk]

I mean, I love my RP Flip. But I understand you make compromises to make it small. That's fine, but it's still a compromise.

But yeah, @hollow nova is right about the size. If you can fit a bigger stick in a joycon, you can do it on the Odin 2.

Bigger buttons would be nice as well.

But I don't care much about buttons, so that's more of a nit pick.

[hollow nova]

The slug Etsy ones are the best imo

[rain cairn]

You are right instead one thing would they support it

[hollow nova]

https://tenor.com/view/todo-clap-orgasm-daddy-yes-boogie-woogie-gif-21117228

[tender thunder]

Such a sexy ol thang

[hollow nova]

the white is

[tender thunder]

What lol

[hollow nova]

It's clean lmao

I don't have nitro atm so I can't use my lip bite emoji

[tender thunder]

Oh lmao

[austere tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-hot-omfg-leonardo-dicaprio-annoyed-gif-14634075

[trail basin]

dang folks stop making me want to buy one

[quartz raft]

Do I sell my switch oled + pocket air + aya air for one……

[fallow abyss]

Keep the switch oled