Ayaneo Pocket Micro

[still ermine]

Ummm. Only weirdos. Yup.

[azure wharf]

i want to order from them just to be contrarian but they are so mid that i cant 😭

[still ermine]

For some a couple hundred isn’t that much. For others it’s a lot.

[azure wharf]

its not the price

they just have nothign interesting rn

for me

Pocket s was strongly on my radar before but with the odin 2 mini, i need to do some serious mental gymnastics to justify it. even the 1440p screen point is no longer relevant as it sold out

[elder trench]

They just announced yesterday another batch is coming soon

[wary mirage]

In my experience with the Ktr1, lighter games only for ps2, Wii and switch sometimes you'll need to use PAL Roms

[exotic bobcat]

Maybe I’ll wait a couple more years til something this small can play ps2, GameCube and Wii flawlessly

For a fair price

I only have rp4 pro rn and it’s been fine for everything so far

[wary mirage]

You'll need to tinker a bit but it's not as powerful as the rp4p or 556

[exotic bobcat]

Okay, I just like the form factor and design of this

But I really don’t need it

[wary mirage]

Same 🥹

[true cipher]

It's back in stock again.

[azure wharf]

is still pretty weak reason to want it imo 😭

[true cipher]

Other than it being metal and glass and stuff it's the main reason, I'd say.

[azure wharf]

at the cost of being longer

[true cipher]

Yeah, I mean, it's a bigger screen.

[azure wharf]

i dont know if i value it enough. its really a tough callwithout having them both and trying. it might as-well be worth the sacrifice

[gritty basin]

Well you’ll have a month or two to think about it

[mortal silo]

retro handhelds is like any other hobby. you have different price points. it's like people spending 100+ to buy a cnc metal shell for their MM'

[gritty basin]

Why buy a tablet when you have a phone that does the same thing?

[mortal silo]

i would argue that more premium products makes more sense from a market standpoint since there's so much competition and redundancies in the budget category

[hollow bobcat]

budget categories requires the right budget parts. or the other end of the spectrum: just throw a SD in it

[native forge]

maybe a retroid pocket flip 2, one can hope

[elder trench]

I am on that hope train

[native forge]

but while I wait to see if retroid puts out a flip 2 that is much better then the flip 1 I will have the rg35xx sp

[main sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW901mQmxGY

[gleaming mist]

Everything is really good

[lean vapor]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pocket-micro-tribute-to-classic-pocket-handhelds/coming_soon

[daring void]

if this thing had rounded corners it'd be such a no-brainer buy for me 😭

well...and lower profile joysticks 😬

this is the type of form factor that sliders make so much more sense 😩

[dry marten]

Do we have any release date news?

[mint hull]

I may be an outlier but I like sliders more than switch style or Vita style sticks.

[lofty lodge]

so basically if it was a mostly different device 😂

[silk isle]

Its not supposed to be very long dont know if a month was given tho.

[icy epoch]

nothing truly confirmed yet

[floral gust]

Even tho, i dont like Ayaneo designs, aside from the Ayaneo 2, and now this Micro,
but now, i kinda want to buy a GBA Micro.
Or a trimui smart with l2+r2 would be neat.

[sour fox]

is anyone buying this?

[silk isle]

Depending on the price yeah

Hoping for no more than 180 starting.

[floral gust]

250 before shipping and taxes would be my guess,
wait, actually... the "ayaneo tax" is already in the price, so
*exluding "ayaneo tax".

[silk isle]

Ayaneo includes shipping in their prices anyway.

We know the max is 280. And knowing aya theyll probably do something crazy like give it a tb of storage.

China usually pays 30-40 less due to shipping. So 180 being the low end actually lines up. Reservations are $140 so if they end up not doing a second payment for base models then it would work out nicely

I think 200 is the highest theyll go for base.

[mortal silo]

i'll probably get it unless there's any major glaring issues or it's 300+

[hot turtle]

Hopefully the sticks will be removable like (supposedly) the ones on the DMG will be

[still ermine]

Not always true, the pocket s had shipping

[sour fox]

DMG is losing it's sitck?

[grim dock]

I would buy the ayaneo so fast if it had odin 2 pro specs in a pocket micro body with a fan and hdmi out. I'd spend 600 on that easy as an ultra portable switch and cassia machine and ps2 and mkwiideluxe machine for when I'm out of the house. My steam deck is too big even if nothing can completely replace what it does.

[lofty lodge]

Sure, while we’re at it I also want it ti make me a sandwich and clean my house

[hot turtle]

Arthur hinted that it MIGHT be removable if you want

[sour fox]

For how much more

[somber wave]

Limited edition $900 unstuck model

[tropic meadow]

It looks dope, but I wish its corners were more rounded.

[daring void]

yeah fuck I think I might be out on this

it looks weirdly thick too

[lofty lodge]

As thick as a sandwich

[daring void]

something else I wouldn't want in my pocket or cupholder

[lofty lodge]

Im still stuck on those shoulder buttons looking uncomfortable as hell

[silk isle]

Its a size thing. Its thicker than the pocket s for sure but its as think as it looks.

[tame escarp]

Like someone said earlier it really does look like a power bank with a screen and controls slapped on top.

Unless it really does function as a power bank I have no idea why it's so damn thick

[daring void]

9000 mAh battery or something 😂

[flint sleet]

Really looks like these power bank devices

[native forge]

question do we think this will be thicker then the ayn vita?

[rich sequoia]

Wow, what is the name of that red one you posted?

[flint sleet]

Xgo dy10 . They're all OEM products and don't really have official brand. I suggest you search by image in aliexpress.

[stoic sparrow]

This looks amazing

[rich sequoia]

I tried searching, but could not find that model that you showed. The one with the Dpad.

[tame escarp]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006102840907.html?

From some of the reviews I saw it looks like it struggles to play even GBA so... yeah

it looks nice though

[rich sequoia]

Thanks for the link. But yea, it looks pretty shit. The pictures even have the screen and system backwards.

[tame escarp]

lol yeah unfortunately, cool idea though.

[devout stump]

This one is probably one of my favorite handhelds by looks alone it's just a metal box that plays my games

[elder trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238101121923551242/1243796069943480381/VID20240524213747.mp4?ex=6652c6db&is=6651755b&hm=f3236e0490fa14d18772c97f48b7c560939ff8df550a4f6b4f99e2a36cefe8f6&

[daring void]

wasn't this supposed to drop in may?

[still ermine]

No, originally said late June or July

[indigo flicker]

Is there a small/similar device with a suitable screen for psp emulation than this? Depending on the price i might decide between this and a PSP Go

[vale crescent]

Rp3+/4/4 pro

[indigo flicker]

I imagined that this would be quite a bit smaller given the screen size. Do we have official measurements?

[icy epoch]

nothing official but they had a pic of it next to an iPhone 14 Pro Max and it was about the same length, which is 161 mm.

[indigo flicker]

In that case it'll probably be the psp go for me. I want something smaller than my phone

Still, it is tempting because of upscale and save states. And the psp is really not great at scaling gba

[true cipher]

This is perfect GBA and PSP scaling, although the PSP display size is smaller than the PSP Go.

[indigo flicker]

Yes 3.8 in vs a little smaller than 3.5.
But I imagine with upscaling it would look a lot better

[still ermine]

Can you do vertical hacks with psp to fill a 3:2 screen?

[indigo flicker]

Maybe I found some options for 21:9 so something is possible, but at that point it's a lot of effort for a little bit of a letterboxing. I would either live with a perfect 2x scale with letterbox or stretch it to full screen

[fresh vigil]

Is this android or linux?

[elder trench]

android

[fresh vigil]

Ew no

[vale crescent]

Powerful Linux handhelds are...uhh...in short supply.

Which is a pity, as a decent, powerful portmaster device would be sweet.

Gameforce Ace didn't quite work out as well as people hoped.

[vale crescent]

I think the only Linux ARM devices more powerful than the RK3566's are the Gameforce Ace, the powkiddy rgb10max3pro, and the orange pi if that ever actually releases. Maybe the odroid go ultra.

Which is...not a top quality selection.

And the Odin's, sort of

[hot turtle]

https://youtu.be/14forawUErk?si=-u_b6XDybcYF_KGv

[daring void]

this needed PSP sliders so bad

[amber lichen]

Honestly looks pretty good in action

[somber wave]

psp sliders, rp flip sliders, 3ds sliders, fully recessed switch sticks

anything but a 3.5" screen device with inline shoulders then having protruding sticks just to make sure it isn't properly pocketable

[main sedge]

TOUCH PADS!

im just glad they toned down the sharpness of the edges of the device

[floral gust]

We need a handheld with ayaneo/apple design, with only touch buttons, even the joysticks.

[main sedge]

i dont want apple anywhere near actual gaming tbh

even their design

we will get something like the steam controller

and it would only charge via their proprietary 400$ induction charger

or something else stupid like that

apple just recently got the ability to put app icons anywhere on their screen without them snapping to the bottom automatically

like, just, why

saying you want apple to make a gaming device is like saying you want to pay for reloads in that cod/battlefield game like that dumbass ceo wanted

(not satire, a real thing)

[vale crescent]

Or this. Which I actually sort of dig

https://amzn.eu/d/eaUw5oR

[main sedge]

yeah ill pass

fine for accessability, not fine for a majority of users

[vale crescent]

Dudes been in too many corporate paintball days.

[main sedge]

lemme dig that article up lol

its a hilarious read how dumb that guy was

oh right! this was also the guy that fucked unity up

https://www.pcmag.com/news/unity-says-goodbye-to-company-ceo-after-backlash-over-game-install-fees

[vale crescent]

I mean, if trackpads were a decent option, you could use your laptop like that, or use the trackpads on an x86 handheld. I guess some steam deck users do that.

But no-one would if the mouse was an option.

[floral gust]

Just a joke i never want to happen. I HATE apple and most of ayaneo's designs. They introduced camera island, the worst thing that happened with phones.
I have an android phone from ~2014, and it just looks better, feels better to hold and use, has a better screen(especially because the 16:9 aspect ratio), also i liked that there was no camera bump; so overall, its just better than any modern phones, and its pretty thin too. And android 4 has the best ui/gui in my opinion.
And no, its not nostalgia.

[indigo flicker]

I wonder if we could mod in sliders or somehow make the sticks detachable. I really want to like it, but I want to put it in my pocket, not carry a purse for it

And the rounded edges look really good now

Also judging from the video they really like to use the analog sticks so doubtful much will be changed there unfortunately

[elder trench]

the edges look the same to me

I don't know if they changed them

[indigo flicker]

You might be right. I just thought they looked very straight and sharp when the device was first shown

[elder trench]

just depends on the angle

they don't look sharp though

which is good

I hope the trigger buttons feel good

[still ermine]

The pocket DMG sorta has that…

[vale crescent]

Aye. I think looking at it like a nice winlater/FPS machine is a good use case.

[floral gust]

Backpack 4 life.

[indigo flicker]

I probably wouldn't get it for fps games, but I could see using it for ScummVM and games like heroes of might and magic

[indigo flicker]

If you're carrying a backpack around couldn't you get a cheaper, bigger and more comfortable device though

[floral gust]

Well, was just a joke for the "i want to pocket it ..."

[primal cloud]

ok guys so]

how much do we think this handheld gonna be?

[acoustic halo]

How much is too much? Add $50.

[naive night]

760

[still ermine]

250

[lofty lodge]

still looks uncomfortable as all get out

[primal cloud]

i will be fine it it was 200 to be honest

250 is a strech, but i wanted an android pocketable like this for a long time so i might even pay that

with filesync i can just play on the odin 2 and then keep playing on this thing while outside

[daring void]

200 is wild

that's an rp4p

[somber wave]

yeah, this is a g99 and a 3.5" screen.

basically a modern 353m

[empty scaffold]

can't expect it to be under 300 myself

[mortal silo]

isn't the most recently estimated price by ayaneo 1000-2000cny?

so 276usd on the high end

[acoustic halo]

$250 sounded right to me anyway tbh

I mean… not the right price for the product, but the real price Aya would charge for it.

[indigo flicker]

Nothing else with that screen though, right?

[primal cloud]

Wait these are not the same as the Odin 2?

[indigo flicker]

Ayn makes the odin

[acoustic halo]

No. Ayaneo and Ayn are different companies

Don’t worry, everyone has to go through this lol

They really did just pick annoyingly easy to confuse names

[primal cloud]

on man... so this thing can then actually end up being like 400 bucks 😦 haha

[still ermine]

Ktr1 is 200 with same chip and more basic construction. So I see 250 being pretty likely

[still ermine]

Correct, Arthur (CEO) said between those amounts

[echo estuary]

aww yeah -- looks awesome, hope the dpad is good

[still ermine]

Doubtful, see my above comments

[vale crescent]

Between $138 and $276.

[daring void]

what are the odds it lands closer to the middle of that range than the high end of it

[primal cloud]

Oh ok

So this chip won’t play GC and PS2? Or barely?

[daring void]

g99 can do both really well actually

[primal cloud]

Amazing… for that size it’s worth for me, hopefully less than 250 though

[plush swan]

Really well is a stretch

G99 can do PS2 and GC adequately

[somber wave]

It’s still a decent bit weaker than the t820 and d900 while being a decent bit stronger than the t618

[still ermine]

At least on the smaller screen 1x won’t look as bad as blown up I guess

[primal cloud]

But since is not gonna be 1080p is gonna be less demanding so it might actually run smoother?

[vale crescent]

Lower Res will help, yeah.

[primal cloud]

Now…. I’m very excited about this handheld guys… how long until it releases?

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-avengers-hawkeye-clint-barton-dont-give-me-hope-gif-15254733

[vale crescent]

2-6 weeks.

Honestly, Ayaneo are REALLY annoying with release dates. They'll often just surprise announce preorders are open at a random YouTube talk.

But on the plus side, their stuff never sells out. So you might miss the opening time and be a bit further back in the queue, but you'll get one if you want one.

[primal cloud]

Wait what? I thought it was months away

Are you giving me hope ???

[plush swan]

Yeah what indicates 2-6 weeks? I'm also prepared to wait a while for this to release

[plush swan]

End of June seems unlikely but maybe

[still ermine]

It’s 2-6 weeks until a possible reveal stream. Then preorders might go live and then start shipping another month and a half later.

These might arrive on doorsteps in like, September..

At best. But that is just my guess.

[stoic sparrow]

Unlike retroid and AYN, same company

[stoic sparrow]

I would call that hard overselling

Mind you

I think 250+ is absurd personally

What this should sell for is like 150 max. Somewhere in the 120-140 range would make sense. 200 is more likely. 250+ would be hilarious

[somber wave]

yeah I don't think most would call the d900 in the odin lite a great chip for ps2

and yet they'll turn around and claim the weaker g99 is great for ps2 when they wanna cope

[primal cloud]

Do we have someone in this group working at Ayaneo?

That can leak the price and time please?

[plush swan]

$400, release July 202X (4 ≤ X ≤ 9)

[tall gazelle]

Welp, good thing the price they estimated was 1000 CNY then. Honestly, for the Aluminum Shell this is actually kind of surprising for a price.

Although that could just be for domestic...or AYANEO just doesn’t bother converting the currency on their own, and this is actually the international price.

[acoustic halo]

1000 minimum not 1000 estimate

It was 1000-2000, and yeah that’s probably the domestic price

[tall gazelle]

Right, I forgot it was minimum. Although honestly for something like this, the minimum is likely to be more than enough for the specs. I can’t expect AYANEO of all people going below the standard specs and using 1-2GB Ram and 32GB storage.

[elder trench]

was already confirmed one of the models will have 8gb of ram

[tall gazelle]

Minimum?

[elder trench]

no clue

just know its one of them

and the famicon unit will be limited

[tall gazelle]

Because on one hand that’s insane for minimum RAM on a G99, but on the other hand, we are talking about AYANEO.

[elder trench]

ayaneo likes to go big for some reason

so maybe 8gb is the max

for ram

4-6-8 is my guess

[tall gazelle]

Ok yeah that’s a bit more reasonable then.

[elder trench]

it has a little fan inside too

and baby fingerprint reader lol

[tall gazelle]

Hopefully 32GB isn’t the minimum Storage if they’re gonna be making people pay 1000 CNY or more for it.

[elder trench]

that soul red is calling my name

[tall gazelle]

I will say I am honestly kind of interested in the Famicom one specifically for the screen and the prospect of potentially being able to remove the sticks.

[elder trench]

I fell like 64/128/256 is the sweet spot

6gb would be my choice

[primal cloud]

I just NEED to play GC , ps2 and n64 in that small screen

[tall gazelle]

I hate that it’s the “official” limited one, because while all AYANEO devices are honestly limited stock, any AYANEO device that’s officially recognized as officially limited is likely to have an even lower stock than other versions of the same device, so now I probably would have to decide on either gettting it or not getting it at all.

[primal cloud]

I love playing high end systems in tiny pocket handhelds

Dead cells looks great in the video

[elder trench]

they usually limit them to like 200 units most of the time

so maybe 100 or 200 for each model

[tall gazelle]

I know, that’s why I’m worried it will be 100 for the Famicom one and 200 for the others. Or worse, 50 for the Famicom and 100 for the others.

[elder trench]

ayaneo just running out of metal devices

tbh I feel like the dmg should have got the cnc metal and this the "advance plastic"

put some spam on the device and let it cook

[tall gazelle]

Man, them making it cheaper with a plastic shell and some Sliders for analog controls would’ve made this potentially an even better pocket-friendly device than the RP2S.

Which honestly now just makes me annoyed that it’s AYANEO that’s making it and not someone else, since the metal shell and protruding sticks were likely done to make it “more of a luxury handheld”.

[stoic sparrow]

Fwiw

I think this device is stupid beautiful

[primal cloud]

I think this will be the KING of micros

[still ermine]

CEO straight up said they’re not interested in budget devices and that there’s other companies for that

[primal cloud]

Is perfect size to put in the fanny pack

I mean I’m ok paying for quality of course

But let’s not get this price out of proportion hopefully

[still ermine]

Saying this should be 120-140 is kinda silly also. The ktr1 is 200? Even a cube or 556 that’s not much more powerful is 160-170. And this is using a pretty nice panel plus metal shell and such.

Not trying to justify some crazy price, just pointing out facts.

[primal cloud]

So you mean this is gonna be 250 for sure

But early bird maybe 180

Hopefully

[still ermine]

I mean he said 1000-2000 cny so you can do the conversion and guess..

[primal cloud]

276 us for the higher model

This time I have to do early bird then

I want the higher version of this

[still ermine]

He didn’t state those as hard price tiers, just a range but maybe yeah

[stoic sparrow]

Right I’m out here saying prices that would make sense to most people. I fully expect at around 200~. I get that ayaneo doesn’t sell at prices that make sense to most people

120-140 would be an easy cop. 150 would be an easy stomach. 200+ I think just wouldn’t but I think is where it will land

And the ktr1 was 200 as a one man job, you would expect that to be more expensive

[still ermine]

Even a larger volume company like anbernic has a $178msrp for the 405m. So this having a bit better chip and also having metal and glass build, it would be pretty crazy if it was only 120.

[stoic sparrow]

Right. Never said I think it would actually be 120-140. And man anbernic never drops msrp lol

[acoustic halo]

Ngl I still take issue with some folks calling this a micro handheld. It’s the same size as the surfboard iPhone Max, it’s as wide as their DMG is tall, and it’s barely smaller than a Vita (plus seemingly thicker). It’s not a big handheld, but it’s no micro.

[still ermine]

It’s called micro because the design is inspired by the gameboy micro. I don’t think they’re actually claiming it’s micro on size.

But yeah I agree it’s Not “micro”

[stoic sparrow]

Yeah it’s pretty long lol

[still ermine]

Yeah kinda funny. 2 year old model, outclassed by newer cheaper stuff… nope still same price lol.

[stoic sparrow]

lol, idk if they just never sell or if they keep it up cause eventually people pay that price

[still ermine]

I guess with the o2 and steam deck in existence once you approach a certain price point any handheld is a hard sell unless someone is looking for something specific or niche.

But we have so many $50 handhelds these days I guess some in between more powerful ones aren’t a bad idea. They just won’t appeal to many.

[mortal silo]

most people aren't buying the luxury version of anything, especially retro handhelds which traditionally are very budget oriented. this product isn't meant for most people though

[stoic sparrow]

Right

I agree

Fwiw, again, this shit is beautiful lol

Shit dude

Even on YouTube the most viewed stuff is like 50$ devices and below where quality is a crapshoot

[still ermine]

Also ironically some on here own 5 $50 handhelds but a $250 handhelds is no way

[mortal silo]

Yea. I'm just glad some of that luxury price is going towards some nice features. Could've been a $100 white tshirt situation

[still ermine]

TRDR?

[stoic sparrow]

Yes, it’s kinda funny lol. They think it’s crazy but actively buy worse devices

[stoic sparrow]

Wait what lol

[acoustic halo]

Honestly if this thing was unchanged but that screen was an OLED of the same resolution, they could basically name any price from me.

I don’t mind paying a lot for a device

I mind paying a lot for compromises

[stoic sparrow]

I’m blown away the pocket s wasn’t oled

[acoustic halo]

Yeah

Those resolutions are ones where OLEDs are very available

Weird oversight

[still ermine]

Not at that size or aspect

None of these companies have the pull to have a custom panel made for them

[stoic sparrow]

Dude

[still ermine]

So they have to go by what surplus is available

[stoic sparrow]

Genuinely

I wonder where anbernic pulled the 556 from

Shits a really good panel

[acoustic halo]

1080p and 1440p OLEDs are like… every Android phone for the last 12-15 years depending on brand? It’s weird we don’t see more of that.

[stoic sparrow]

Aspect ratio

[still ermine]

There’s 5” vita panels, 5.5” 1080p panels, then there’s 20:9 phone panels, which are expensive to acquire, then you go to laptop size territory. Except the sd OLED and switch OLED but those are not likely to share their panels lol.

[acoustic halo]

True, 16:9 phones didn’t last that long in the grand scheme of things

[still ermine]

There’s a very few amount of 16:9 oled phone panels, all from old models.

May not be available anymore

[acoustic halo]

A big part of why it feels rare is probably just because all the phone displays are still valid budget phone displays, and those sell way better than our handhelds.

[still ermine]

So I don’t know that these manufacturers in general are totally oblivious, they just can’t acquire OLED in the size/price/quantity needed

[acoustic halo]

Manufacturer-scale group buy time.

[still ermine]

Even Asus was saying on today’s q&a stream about Ally X that amoled phone panels are expensive.

[acoustic halo]

They’re all using the same displays either way

[still ermine]

Because they were asked why Ally X isn’t oled

[acoustic halo]

May as well use the same great one

[stoic sparrow]

Really hope anbernic has enough panels to be able to reiterate at least once

[still ermine]

It would be nice to see the 5.5” oled with a fully ps2/gc upscale capable chip. I mean the pocket air is kinda there but with its own jank

That’s what most wanted out of the pocket s… pocket air with snapdragon

[stoic sparrow]

Just slightly stronger and better sticks

Everything else the same

[acoustic halo]

The 556 really probably should have been their moment to build a no compromises $3-400 machine

[stoic sparrow]

That would be gold

[acoustic halo]

Worried they’re gonna burn through that entire display stock on a handheld that feels compromised all to hell and back

[still ermine]

Yeah that cardinal snapping Is tough. I think it might be partially fixable but anbernic and updates aren’t often in the same sentence.

[stoic sparrow]

lol fwiw, I love the device

Actually use it daily

Can be just a bit better

[still ermine]

I mean Ayaneo has been putting out 5.5” OLED devices for a while so. Presumably decent supplies of them?

I had it for a minute (556). Just got frustrated with some gc games crashing on vulkan and other games just not looking super at 1x.

Having 1080p OLED and then only playing 1x is a bit of a bummer

Great for psp and below though

[stoic sparrow]

I agree, it’s definitely tinker city to get max performance, and even then some gcn will be 1x. Most do go 2 though

[still ermine]

I had some do 2 fine but then get ‘vk device lost’ errors

[stoic sparrow]

Interesting, haven’t seen that yet. But yeah, just a bit better would be primo

[still ermine]

I’m still kinda waiting for the ideal upper midrange shmedium device. Not sure if the o2m fits the bill or not.

[stoic sparrow]

In any case, I would tell most people to just buy an Odin 2/mini and just be done for a really really long time lol

[still ermine]

Yeah well I’m one of the ghosting weirdos. But am watching the o2m and debating.

[stoic sparrow]

lol fair enough

[still ermine]

I could also just play gc/ps2 on my Ally and forget about high end android

Cheaper option.

[mortal silo]

Just meant that some of the high price is going towards stuff like a metal shell, full glass front, etc. Instead of other luxury goods where prices are purely from brand or something. Like super expensive white t shirts.

[tall gazelle]

Can they offer the source for those 640p 3:2 screens to said other companies then?

[mint hull]

The micro is pretty basic 😅 it's a rectangle.

Also the KTR1 released last year made by one guy and the price is in no way competitive anymore in the current landscape. If they charge $50 more than the KTR1 that would be crazy.

[crude hornet]

g99 also used in A1 unicorn, yet to have any international pricing

[devout stump]

KTR1 dropped at a time where the handhelds were already getting better than it for a much better cost

[vale crescent]

I forgot this thing was metal!

Metal RP2S sells for $150, so no way this thing is coming in at under $200 in my opinion.

[primal cloud]

Maybe early bird will be like 180-200?

[vale crescent]

Ayaneo have a habit of just selling things at early bird price, and never raising the price from early bird.

Until they get onto the Aya website, then sometimes they stay the same, but most often they just sit there for a year at a silly price, and then get sold for 80% off when Arthur runs out of storage space in his shed.

[tall gazelle]

I still find it funny to ever use the KTR1 as an example for why something with a G99 can be priced at around $200, when literally almost everyone already laughed the dev out of the room when he was actively trying to push that price further into Odin Lite territory, before regular people (not reviewers) even got to try out the KTR1 for themselves and realize “wow, this thing is shit!”

[lofty lodge]

depends on your definition of micro. This is micro by ayaneos standards but not micro by marketplace standards

[primal cloud]

Is kinda the size of an RG351 right

[mint hull]

Yeah I think it is just due to one guy trying to make something all by himself. I never got to try it but it seems like it was a good effort. But I do agree people shouldnt be using it as an example because Aya is obviously held to a higher standard given their capabilities and that things are much more competitive now.

[stoic sparrow]

I think this will be a device most don’t own cause of the price, but like the people that do own will absolutely adore it

[mint hull]

Yeah it looks like a dream device but suffers from quality control and lack of refinement

[deep jetty]

This is an interesting one and I'll be curious to see what people think of the ergonomics

[still ermine]

Ok but my statement still stands if we forget KTR1 and talk about metal handhelds. RP2S Metal $150, RG405m $178... both with a weaker chip than G99. So I still think asking for a sub $150 price on this is silly.

[mortal silo]

feel like a lot of the price expectations stems from people not being able to get past this is a device intended for GBA primarily so most people are comparing this to stuff like the rg35xxsp and that price point

[mint hull]

Those are both last Gen devices, the landscape is very different now. Also the RG405m is $132 on Ali

[tall gazelle]

Yes, and I was taking into account the 1000 CNY they said would be the minimum, I just was treating it as the International when it’s more likely to be the domestic.

But even with that, it would still be more reasonable to expect around $160-$170 than $200 or more. I agree with your statement that going way below $150 would be insane, I just didn’t agree with the KTR1 example.

[still ermine]

This gen, last gen, current price, old price, you can make an argument for antyhing. I'm probably not even buying this, the only thing I was trying to say is that it would not make sense for this to be $120, that's a pipe dream.

[tall gazelle]

Agreed on that.

[still ermine]

Really the only reason I brought up KTR1 as it's the only well known (sort of) handset with G99 in it.

[mint hull]

I didn't see that part, I agree, it won't be very close to $120

[still ermine]

I guess you could say performance is like an RP4 non pro, which is 150, add a bit for metal tax.

So yeah 175-200 would be a price that might make sense. But I'm still betting it's closer to 250.

[tall gazelle]

I’m mostly thinking $160-$170 because I wouldn’t expect them to make the International price more than like $30 higher than domestic (so if they increase international to around 1200 CNY, that would be on average around $165).

Actually, how big was the price difference for domestic and international usually for AYANEO stuff?

[elder trench]

anything over 200 for me is a nty

I don't need it but I would like it lol

[vale crescent]

RP2S last gen???

I guess I must have missed the handheld that is more powerful and the same price or cheaper

It might be 9 months old, but it still dominates that price range like the (tiny) Colossus it is.

[mint hull]

I agree, it's still the best choice in that price range but by last gen I just mean it was a last year device using a CPU similar to the RP3+ while we are now in the RP4 era.

The RX 6600 is STILL the best GPU for $200 or less and it is a 2021 card.

[vale crescent]

I get you. It's cool 😎

[empty scaffold]

it's funny that we consider 9 month old stuff "old gen" here

[mortal silo]

wouldn't it be considered last gen since the r4 is out?

like it's a refresh of the r2 right

[empty scaffold]

the rp2 spans from like 2020 to 2023 having different models throughout

with different chips

for retroid, model numbers are more shapes than specs

[mortal silo]

so an older gen compared to r4....

[empty scaffold]

for me retroid pocket 2 just means "the 4:3 one with a big chin", they could make a retroid pocket 2 ultra with an 8gen2 and the naming would still make sense

or a retroid pocket 4 lite with the t610 and that would make sense too

[mortal silo]

yea i can see taht for the 2s i guess. don't think that would apply to seomthing like the 3 or 4 though, like 4 is definitely a strict upgrade from 3

[empty scaffold]

that's also fair

i suppose they will stay like that and maybe add a suffix for different versions, i dunno

[mortal silo]

i think it is hilarious that the 2s should just be called the retroid chin though

[primal cloud]

For me this device is a MUST

Size of an rg351 but android and powerful enough for GC and ps2. Can sync save states with Odin 2 and make the ultimate combo

I just hope at least early bird kept under 150 or something, that would be great. Although I do want the max this time. 8gb

My rg351m was super pocketable and it never damage the sticks.. so I think it will be fine with this one as well

[sour fox]

250 is a fair price for this. I am ready when they are.

[stoic sparrow]

Likely it will always dominate, considering nothing actually beat the rp2+ performance till the rp2s

At the price

[vale crescent]

Aye. 405v has become weirdly competitive with it lately. But that might not last.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-3yJqvvcqd1hzTdHzBrL-mhuw0i6Aw6vXLq51sEGnhA/edit?usp=drivesdk

And RGB10MAX3PRO I guess, if we are just talking about power vs price

[icy epoch]

nice sheet, gonna put a link to this in my handhelds specs sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1irg60f9qsZOkhp0cwOU7Cy4rJQeyusEUzTNQzhoTYTU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[vale crescent]

I can't vouch for its validity, I am in the UK, so don't really look at $ or € prices. But it seems like a nice reference point.

I just found it here 😄

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1bmt9wn/summary_the_best_price_for_each_handhelds_miyoo/

Also, your spreadsheet is god tier.

[primal cloud]

any news still guys?

maybe more videos of other games playing

[grim dock]

I'm hoping that since it has specs for 3ds and a somewhat wider than 4by3 screen that it can do custom screens of citrammj well. Also vita as it matures. Anyone know how the g99 compares to the t820

[primal cloud]

this is exactly my situation

but I just checked the prices of the other ayaneo handhelds and wtf everything is like 700+ dlls. ahaha

so im not getting hopes up that this is gonna be less than $300

[still ermine]

Yeah but those are full windows handhelds

[primal cloud]

Is the size of the screen is gonna be the same as the rg351?

Like 3.5 in with 3:2 ratio?

[true cipher]

Yes

[primal cloud]

Dream come true

[fresh vigil]

Bruh really? This got my attention then 👀

[vale crescent]

And it's good for other stuff as well. GBA specialist, but 3:2 is a nice compromise between 4:3 and 16:9, for people who only want a few handhelds.

[fresh vigil]

Dang… now i want this

[still ermine]

No no, people aren’t allowed to like Ayaneo devices. That’s illegal.

[fresh vigil]

I kinda agree, too expensive and unreliable i think?

I want to believe it’s gonna be hard to mess up this one considering is using a helio99 and have specs that we have seen before

Will this have hdmi out?

[somber bloom]

no, dont think it has the port from their renders and prototypes
https://www.ayaneo.com/product/AYANEO-Pocket-Micro

[fresh vigil]

Not a deal breaker, but still cool if they had it

[still ermine]

It’s not looking like it will do video out.

[primal cloud]

Guys we need to convince ayaneo tu make it less than 200

200 I pay for the smallest android handheld ever in history

But more than 200 is though

[sour fox]

what about 205?

[mortal silo]

easier to think about this being a budget phone option at $200-300

[primal cloud]

I will be ok with even 250, if early bird gets to be 150 or 200

But early bird 250 and regular 300 it has to be a No No

[sour fox]

Just giving you shit. I know Ayaneo has higher priced stuff.

[primal cloud]

I know… but still I’m sad because I just saw the ayaneo prices in most handhelds and, I know they’re mostly windows but shit they’re expensive

[amber lichen]

Are they though

[primal cloud]

Well the neo pocket S is same price as an Odin 2 I believe

[vale crescent]

They can be expensive and good value at the same time.

[vale crescent]

It's also more powerful, so....

[primal cloud]

Here I am complaining about overpriced ayaneo, but I’m contemplating another playdate lol

[floral gull]

Do you need this much power for 4x GBA?

I'm really hoping the existence of this inspires Anbernic or others to build a horizontal 3:2 3-4x GBA handheld with less power and on the cheap.

[autumn wagon]

If you are already integer scaling, does it matter if it's 2x or 4x if the resulting output/screen size is the same? It's just duplicating the pixels.

There's the v10 from powkiddy.

[versed obsidian]

Yeah this device makes no sense. If it was a similar high res 4:3 screen that still allows good integer scaling (960x720), then maybe I can understand. But why they combined this screen with such a high spec cpu, and gave it 2 sticks to make it less pocketable, I have no idea.

[versed obsidian]

If you're using grid line effects it helps I think

[floral gull]

In a perfect world, Anbernic after seeing the V10 and Pocket Micro whould source a good 3:2 screen and release another horizontal H700 with no analog sticks.

And sell it for $50.

Or Ayaneo wants to appeal to broader consumer market and prices this at $149!

[somber wave]

yeah high res is definitely better for shaders but if you go shaderless integer is integer whether that's 1x or 85x

[sour fox]

G99 is very efficient for power draw. It is a niche device. Like I don't understand people who Jack up trucks or make four-cylinder cars into "racing" cars. But some people like it. I am happy for this device.

[primal cloud]

For me the idea to play up to GC and ps2 that pocketable is the hook

Is excellent to have the option to do that, or even play moonlight streaming lol

But take my suggestions with a grain of salt. I’ve been asking for a 2.8 handheld android for a long time lol

[still ermine]

No every device has to play every system for $50

[sour fox]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-alrighty-then-gif-5789101

[still ermine]

[sour fox]

I heard they might have more colors. I would like to see those colors.

[primal cloud]

I need to see an announcement soon

[still ermine]

#1238123357510172803 message

[sour fox]

I thought there were 6 maybe. I miss read that

[elder trench]

so far 4 and one of them is limited

[true cipher]

Because Ayaneo/Arthur hates compromising for the sake of hitting a lower price point for wider affordability. Same reason their Pocket DMG has a SD G3X Gen 2. It's a bit ridiculous but I kinda respect it.

[tall gazelle]

And why not use Analog Sliders with L3/R3?

Like seriously, any of us who can potentially contact him, please ask why those would not be better for pocketability while still being decently good analog controls.

[true cipher]

That was brought up.

I guess he doesn't like them.

He also didn't want them recessed either (which would leave less space for battery).

I guess the philosophy is that since you can't really please everyone might as well please yourself.

[untold pendant]

Can’t quite argue with the man funding the products, for better or ill

[elder trench]

it went into his poclet fine from what he showed in the stream

sliders would be nice though ngl

[primal cloud]

Guys is just you should see the big picture. For me this is like a perfect companion for an Odin 2/RP4pro

Is powerful enough to handle most things , and with foldersync you can keep playing between both handhelds, but the micro is perfect for those moments you wanna game on the go.

For me that’s why is worth having a powerful chip and android.

If they could offer something a lil bit smaller though ….

[elder trench]

huh

[primal cloud]

Yeah a 2.8 in screen would be great

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-cant-see-this-funny-gif-14446155

[elder trench]

🤔

[primal cloud]

I use my trimui model S a lot for quick gaming…. Would be great to keep playing between my Odin 2 and that

[vale crescent]

A 3:2 3.5"screen is already displaying 16:9 and 4:3 content not much bigger than a 2.8" 16:9 or 2.8" 4:3 would.

Not sure you would like smaller in reality.

[true cipher]

Huh? It's a lot bigger than that. 3.5" 3:2 is 3.2" 4:3 and 3.3" 16:9. It's closer to a 3.5" 4:3 screen than it is to a 2.8" 4:3 screen.

[primal cloud]

Oh don’t worry. I would love it

But yeah I think maybe this 3.5 3:2 is perfect actually

I always wanted my 351m to be android

[vale crescent]

Sure. I just mean a 3:2 2.8" screen will be 2.6" or whatever for 4:3 and 16:9 content, which is getting pretty small at that point. Personally I'd prefer 3.5".

[primal cloud]

Any news ?

My wallet is ready

[fallow basin]

I will 100% be getting this.

[primal cloud]

Same… just waiting patiently for that email

[fresh vigil]

how many times can GBA upscale on the analogue pocket?

Just to compare to this

[fresh vigil]

Sweet beans

So the ayaneo pocket micro is 4x gba right? Not as good as AP but it have a better form factor and way more uses as a console

and more pocketable

And smells nice

[vale crescent]

Upscaling doesn't really matter until you start using polygons (3D).

All that matters here for GBA is integer scaling, or how close it is to it.

[acoustic halo]

Higher multiplier isn’t better, closer to a whole number is better

Shame Analogue was so laser focused on GB/GBC

[vale crescent]

I like how we said the same thing at the same time, but in completely different ways

[acoustic halo]

Their vertical resolution would have worked for both if they’d extended it to 3:2 horizontally

[somber bloom]

6.7x scale on a 3.1" at 1440p shouldnt be bad

its not like a 3.5" 480p screen thats for sure

[vale crescent]

In all honesty, throw enough pixels at it and integer scaling stops mattering pretty fast.

(If it ever did)

The average person would be absolutely fine playing stretched SNES on a 480p 4:3 screen, and still have a great time

The curse of knowledge

[somber bloom]

bet even gb/gbc on a 16:9 for some of them

[vale crescent]

PHAT mario

[primal cloud]

Guys all that matters is

GameCube on a tiny handheld

[deep jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-cant-see-this-funny-gif-14446155

[acoustic halo]

At high res, integer mostly stops mattering, but it still bugs me in the text.

[sour fox]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-hate-hate-yeah-gif-9990438

[primal cloud]

Imagine playing the windwaker in here man

https://tenor.com/view/carl-simpsons-perfect-gif-12345144

[sour fox]

G99 will still kind of struggle without hacks on gamecube games. At lease from what I exprince on my ktr1

[fresh vigil]

I play gb/gbc stretched to 16:9 aspect ratio

[fresh vigil]

Yes

[versed acorn]

I paid for the whole screen, I'm going to use the whole screen

[fresh vigil]

Exactly!!

[daring void]

y'all some sickos lmao

[primal cloud]

Good, is nice to know there’s more strechers among us guys

[vale crescent]

Windwaker should be fine though. People play that fine on the RP3+

[still ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-tos-a-taste-of-armageddon-anan7-monster-gif-23504959

[sour fox]

My definition of fine is different than most peoples. I guess

[true cipher]

I mean...not shame, that was the whole idea.

[gray pewter]

No price yet huh

[acoustic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-gerstmann-grin-giant-bomb-threat-gif-15675804

[somber wave]

most people find the tutorial island runs full speed and slap an A+ on the compat sheet

but then it chugs in later dungeons with lava etc

[sour fox]

why I always ask did you play the full game? If not you can't say it runs fine. Also I heard people say that before. I think very low of those people.

[somber wave]

need to find the hardest parts to emulate of various games and come up with a community collection of game saves for them to properly test handhelds and emulators

[vale crescent]

I did say fine. Not perfectly

That said, it only ran at 30 FPS on the GameCube, so it's not like it's a game designed to hit 100 FPS

[somber wave]

yeah I'm fine with 30 fps for a game that runs 30 fps

the problem is when it dips to 20-25, especially if those dips come with actual game speed slowdowns or audio glitches as they often do in emulation rather than simply displaying a lower frame rate like modern pc games will

[vale crescent]

Oh, I agree.

I never run anything more demanding than PSP on my T618.

Can't be bothered to tweak game by game when I have stuff that will run it fine.

But the G99 is a decent bump over the T618. Not massive or anything, but probably enough for playable windwaker.

[primal cloud]

G99 should run psp smooth as butter right?

[true cipher]

In benchmarks at least it's almost double

[vale crescent]

Oh, easy. T618's can do that.

[primal cloud]

Oh ok perfect. That’ll do great companion to my bigger handheld and just sync saves thru Android

[somber wave]

this is a great res for psp too (2x integer)

my only concern with psp on this would be the size - it's a 3.34" 16:9 display area

vs a psp go at 3.8, a regular psp at 4.3, or a vita screen at 5"

[vale crescent]

I've seen people play PlayStation games on the funkey.

💀

[still ermine]

I think it could be fun for like puzzle and 2d and rpg games from the psp. Full 3D platformers and action games maybe not as much.

[polar axle]

The micro just looks hideous to me 🤮

[empty scaffold]

🧱

[lean vapor]

It comes down to price really

[empty scaffold]

being ayaneo, metal and all that, i really can't see it being cheap

[lean vapor]

Yep

[empty scaffold]

i think i'm the only one that said 300 bucks is on the table but i really think so

[lean vapor]

It will be shame if they over price this

But this aya we are talking about

I’m interested if a reasonable price

[acoustic halo]

I think their stated estimate range capped out at like 270-ish or something, just off the top of my head? But that seemed like domestic price, so by the time it gets to us, $300 might well be on the table.

[empty scaffold]

yeah, that's kinda my argument

also even if someone reputable like nintendo said "between 150 and 300 dollars" before launching something, i'd definitely think it's gonna be 300 bucks, so even more with chinese companies

[acoustic halo]

Definitely not expecting a penny under $249.99

Beyond that… it’s Aya, I’d believe anything tbh, but we’re already past the realm of competitive price/performance and the form factor isn’t any more attractive to me than like a Retroid. Kinda stops mattering what it costs exactly if it’s $250+

Maybe it’ll go on a big sale towards the end of its life and be a really awesome pickup though.

[tall gazelle]

Their domestic price was 1000 CNY as the minimum price for specs, which is less than $150 when converted.

It would be “just a bit” overpriced if they jumped to $250 minimum for international.

[acoustic halo]

It’s Aya. Minimum price is the “ignore they even said that” price.

[empty scaffold]

i dunno if there will be multiple versions

i think they just meant "the price will be between this and this" to see how people react

[tall gazelle]

They already confirmed it would have options between 4 to 8 GB for RAM.

I can’t remember what they said about internal storage, but I would expect that to also have different amounts paired with the ram options.

[empty scaffold]

doubling the price for different ram and storage sounds like a lot in this case

i'd expect two versions at most

maybe 200 and 250, maybe 250 and 300

[tall gazelle]

I’m mostly expecting at most around $180-$200 for minimum specs, and then it just goes up from there till you get 8gb ram and 512gb storage for the max price.

Hell, I feel like I remember them officially considering the Red/Gold Famicom one a “limited edition” option even in comparison to the others, so maybe the minimum price is for the minimum spec of the other options and the doubled price is for the max specs in that specific color?

[stoic sparrow]

This is so god dam beautiful

Amazed it didn’t get the sd8gen2 equivalent

[elder trench]

It did

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smirk-shrek-sus-shrek-smile-gif-4983018699107868283

[stoic sparrow]

Isn’t it getting the g99?

[still ermine]

yes..

Maybe they're confused with the DMG

[stoic sparrow]

Dude

Someone please break into ayaneo and talk them into switching those chips

[still ermine]

so the micro can be $400?

[stoic sparrow]

That just makes no sense lol

[still ermine]

lol

I mean, the g3x g2 in the dmg is weird. But I don't want the micro to be more expensive lol

at that point just get the pocket s...

[stoic sparrow]

To be fair I think it would be awesome to see, but yeah I definitely wouldn’t buy lol

More of a, wow this exist type thing

[elder trench]

Isn't the pocket S the skinny older brother of the micro?

Metal shell with a bezel less screen?

[true cipher]

Could the Micro even cool the G3x g2?

The Pocket S already gets kinda toasty

[primal cloud]

Wait do you have one already? Is it same size as the 351m? Or bigger ?

[still ermine]

No, just resharing pictures from the Ayaneo discord

some size comparisons

[primal cloud]

Omg yes.. this is what I wanted exactly

4Gb should be enough for smooth psp on the g99 right?

Or is it 8gb imperative?

[still ermine]

I would say similar height to a 351m, but wider

[daring void]

this is huge for something called micro

[primal cloud]

But still… it would be by far the smallest Android handheld in the market

[lofty lodge]

It’s bigger than my iPhone mini

[still ermine]

v wide

[primal cloud]

Android = excellent sleep mode

[primal cloud]

No more put to sleep like the miyoo mini and wait like 10 seconds

Life is precious to waste 10 seconds

[still ermine]

OnionOS you just tap power and forget about it though, and it will put itself to sleep. or you talking about boot up times?

[primal cloud]

Yeah… for sleep you’re right just turn off and go to sleep in 5 mins… but then turn on is another 8 to 10 secs

Plus there’s no miyoo horizontal (with onion os) yet

[still ermine]

True.

[still ermine]

RP3+ runs psp on 4gb ram just fine. Not G99, but don't think that would affect much. G99 is a bit more powerful than T618 IIRC.

[primal cloud]

Yeah right now my combo is odin2 + Rp3+ but I was hoping the ayaneo micro would replace the Rp3+ since it would be smaller

More pocketable

And more cute

Prob. Better quality

[stoic sparrow]

Hot

[primal cloud]

any news?

[primal cloud]

Omg

https://tenor.com/view/hhgf-gif-25031041

[hot turtle]

I wouldn’t get your hopes up to be honest. Even if the pricing and preorders are announced tomorrow it probably won’t start shipping until like August. Ayaneo aren’t very fast with getting new products out

[primal cloud]

Please let it be less than 200 on pre orders

[primal cloud]

But I AM hyped!

I’ve been playing my 351m and apparently is the same screen as this one but this one will be 4x times , so gba almost flawless

[lofty lodge]

I wouldn’t count on it

[primal cloud]

But more than 200 would be a lot wouldn’t ? Like that g99 chip is good but not great

[stoic sparrow]

Ayaneo tax is real

[empty scaffold]

and metal tax

[acoustic halo]

And Ayaneo tax on the metal tax

[lofty lodge]

a lot, and very in-line with ayaneo pricing trends

because ✨design✨

[primal cloud]

But I mean, this one is the first of their line that is “tiny” right

And non-Windows beside the pocket S

[lofty lodge]

yeah, that's not gonna stop them

[primal cloud]

So there hope that maybe they ll chill a little bit

[lofty lodge]

keep hoping...

it's most certainly gonna be $200+

[acoustic halo]

I could maybe see $199.99 preorder as like… literally the very lowest price imaginable. Nothing is ever the very lowest price imaginable though.

[primal cloud]

200 is definitely my limit… can’t see to pay more than that

[acoustic halo]

If you want a bargain you want a different company’s handheld

[primal cloud]

200 for pre order has to be at least… if it’s like 250 pre order…. That’s TOO much

I mean 200 is already too much, but I really want pocketable android haha

[lofty lodge]

side-note: I didn't know ayaneo was just selling a rebranded tomtoc switch bag

[acoustic halo]

This thing really doesn’t really look any more pocketable than a Retroid tbh

[lofty lodge]

i don't think this is any more pocketable than a rp2s

or an rp3/4

[acoustic halo]

It’s pretty narrow, but just as long and thick as anything else, and the sticks look like they stick out about as far as they possibly could from a flat surface

[lofty lodge]

that's been my thing from day 1. Those sticks looks like they come out too far to not just get caught on anything if you try to put it in your pocket.

[primal cloud]

I though it was the same size as the 351m… just a little more wider

[lofty lodge]

the difference being that the 351m has recessed sticks

[sour fox]

rather have non recessed sticks. I also care very little about pocketable

[lofty lodge]

which is totally fair

i just think it's because some folks hear "micro" and think "pocketable"

[primal cloud]

Mmmmm good point

[lofty lodge]

and this is neither

[robust geode]

I'd rather have non-switch sticks

[lofty lodge]

yeah it's wild that there's options out there and they went with these

[robust geode]

I still think overall this looks like you asked an AI to design a handheld that looks like an NES controller

[lofty lodge]

i'm 99% convinced that's exactly what they did

or at least that's where it started

[robust geode]

The logical jump of "let's design a handheld for GBA and make it look like an NES controller" just escapes me

[lofty lodge]

"because it's based on the gameboy micro" or something

despite the fact that... not really?

most ayaneo devices look like they were designed partially using AI

[robust geode]

I admire Arthur and his drive to make devices he'd want

But they're just not usually for me

[acoustic halo]

Agreed.

This one actually might be for me if the discounts get good enough like 18-24 months after release, and we haven’t gotten other stuff that makes it fully irrelevant yet.

But yeah. Launch price? No shot.

[primal cloud]

For me I just need it to be smaller than the retroid pocket 3. But if it’s almost the same size, definitely no go. rP3+ is so pocketable

[acoustic halo]

The Vita on the bottom here is pretty much the exact same size as the RP3 and 3+

[lean vapor]

Give it a month and anbernic will have a clone of this 😅

[lofty lodge]

god that design is so ugly...

i mean, taste is subjective and everything

but that just looks really bad to me

[sour fox]

That is new, never heard anyone call this ugly yet. Thanks for pointing that out.

[lofty lodge]

it's just... square.

that's where the design choices began and ended

[acoustic halo]

for context

[sour fox]

I like that it’s square and doesn’t look like every handheld of the past year

[acoustic halo]

If it didn’t have the sticks at all, I’d actually kinda like the aesthetics. I dig brutalism once in a while. The sticks really do look like such an afterthought.

[lofty lodge]

in both this and the DMG

they would both look better without the sticks

but also this looks like the tesla cybertruck of handhelds

[primal cloud]

I might actually do this lol

I really was expecting this to be smaller

[lofty lodge]

it doesn't help that most of their images so far are mostly renders or the device floating in a vaccuum

they need to put it next to things

which they have been, but still, it looks smaller alone

[lean vapor]

Someone on here mentioned that they have 100’s of unreleased designs. They pretty much have one out each month at the moment

They have a kt-r1 clone on the way. A trimui smart pro clone. I bet close to release of the micro they will have a similar product

[acoustic halo]

Maybe if we design a handheld and pretend we’re about to release it, we can trick Anbernic into actually making it for us.

[lean vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[lofty lodge]

dear Anbernic, here's the new ayaneo device that everyone wants

[acoustic halo]

Step 1: Mod the RG 556 to fix everything wrong with it. Make it look like a brand new handheld.
Step 2: Release demonstration video to YouTube and announce a release date
Step 3: Wait for Anbernic to mass produce it.

[vale crescent]

Schwarzenegger literally did that to Stallone over the script to "Stop, or my mom will shoot". He said it was great and was going for it, and tricked Stallone into signing up to beat him.

Arnold thought it was hilarious.

That's not a joke, it's actually true.

[lofty lodge]

In October 2017, Schwarzenegger confirmed the rumor that, knowing the script was "really bad", he had publicly faked interest in starring for producers to lure Stallone.[3]

i miss ridiculous rivalries like this one

[vale crescent]

The Arnie vs Sly rivalry was real. And incredibly funny.

Also, I have watched stop or mom will shoot. I can confirm it is absolutely awful.

Sky movies never played anything good in the daytime, and I saw Stallone in it and though, well, it can't be that bad, right?
Wrong.

Not even Judge Dredd so bad it's sort of funny bad Stallone.

[still ermine]

You want full size sticks on a device this small?

Also they do look different than their usual sticks. Not sure if just the tops or different entirely.

[robust geode]

I'm just sick of the switch ones in general

Ayn and Retroid ones fit fine

[elder trench]

These are new sticks they seem to be using.

[fiery flax]

Am I the only one who hates the shape of this thing? I love the idea of this handheld but hate how it's just a brick

[hot turtle]

Look at it this way, it doubles as a self defense weapon!

[hot turtle]

https://x.com/ayaneo__/status/1805511053478183008?s=46

AYANEO (@AYANEO__) on X

Get ready for a major update!🥳

Tune in on June 26th, 8:00 AM EST, for a live stream with AYANEO CEO Arthur and R&D Director Lighten!

Want to know what's new?
Want to learn how to use AYANEO even better?
Join us for a live stream!

#ayaneo #AYANEOsharing #softwareupdate

Twitter · Jun 25, 2024, 7:59 AM

[robust geode]

Looks like just software, no hardware

[hot turtle]

Apparently Arthur confirmed on stream that the Micro launch event will take place in late July?
I didn’t watch the stream but that’s what the Ayaneo discord is saying.

[sour fox]

Guess, I will wait three more weeks

[primal cloud]

By that time I’ll already moved on onto the rg35xx SP

[hot turtle]

🥳 Join us for a live demonstration of the AYANEO Pocket MICRO, DMG, and AG01!
👀 Exclusive Reveal: The first-ever glimpse of our flagship mystery device!
🎮 Mark Your Calendars: July 5th, Friday, 8 AM EST - Don't miss out!
❓ Ask Us Anything: Live Q&A session with our team!

[robust geode]

The more Arthur shows this off the more I get it

Probably still not the device for me but I understand the design a lot more

[harsh timber]

Other than the awkward should button placement, this is pretty much my ideal pocketable handheld. I'm just waiting for Arthur to crush my enthusiasm by announcing some astronomical price. I'll definitely grab one if it's under $200 shipped.

[odd raft]

Idk it still looks like a brick to me

[stoic sparrow]

Tbh, to me this shit looks beautiful

[sour fox]

I can’t wait for it. My NDS’s are bricks also and I like playing on them

[tall gazelle]

Same.

[gritty cloud]

im excited for a widely supported g99 this small. But also not excited for the dumpsterfire ergonomics of this device.

[primal cloud]

For me it was between the rg35xx h and this one. I prefer this one since is Android, but it does looks bigger

[still ermine]

It saying it’s great but doesn’t look much worse than any other horizontal handheld like a rg353 or 35xx, etc.

[harsh timber]

If by some miracle Anbernic releases a version of the rg35XX H with a 3:2 720x480 screen, I'd be less excited about this one. I still love the styling of this thing, but it would be hard to justify paying Ayaneo's ridiculous prices if there was another decent pocketable 3:2 horizontal handheld.

[tall gazelle]

Man, that really would be the sweet-spot. 3x integer for GBA, but 480p for everything else.

[tall gazelle]

…OH SHIT WAIT!

https://retrogamerepairshop.com/collections/gba-sp-displays/products/game-boy-advance-sp-drop-in-720x480-ips-backlight-with-osd

I forgot the screen panel is already available!

[still ermine]

Not 3.5” though, isn’t the gbaSP screen smaller

[tall gazelle]

Well yeah but this just means there’s at least already an option for smaller handhelds like the RG28XX.

I didn’t think the resolution and aspect ratio combo would even exist for smaller size screens, mainly just some really old computer monitors.

[harsh timber]

Hopefully Anbernic runs out of other ideas for the H700 handhelds of the month and tries something like this.

[still ermine]

T820 with a 3:2 screen?

[tall gazelle]

I think they meant Anbernic making an H700 handheld with this screen panel.

[still ermine]

I was referring to the “something like this” not the h700 part

And yeah I’m over the 20th form factor of h700 at this point lol.

And I’m over 640x480p screens

[harsh timber]

That would be even better. At this point I’d settle for one that’s powered by a potato as long as it has a small hi-res 3:2 screen, decent ergonomics, and can run up to PS1 full speed.

[still ermine]

Yeah I was thinking more along a lines of a competitor to the pocket micro but yeah most even budget chips these days are enough for what you need to do.

The cube was a swing and miss for me as I have no particular fondness for the 1:1 screen.

And the 556 isn’t compact

[sour fox]

It’s 2.9

[gritty cloud]

A godsend

[somber wave]

A 2.9” stickless horizontal with a 720x480 screen would actually be my endgame pocket device with wifi and a chip capable of full ps1/gba

GBC/ngpc would wind up a touch small but those games are designed for that

[harsh timber]

Same, except I'd ideally like something closer to 3.9" or whatever it works out to be to give it the same height as the rg35XX H screen. I could go either way on the sticks, especially if they're recessed like the ones on the MagicX XUmini M.

[steep surge]

This form factor with Linux and under $100 would be very good.Wouldnt need a fan and screen is too small for so many android icons.

[indigo flicker]

Just don't add huge shoulder buttons on the back either. Looking at you V10

[somber wave]

That’s why I’d want horizontal- just do in-line

[still ermine]

@sour fox Soon ™️

Just a few weeks away

[sour fox]

I am ready and not ready lol. I might sent it to Zu first. See how he likes it. He is a huge GBA fan.

[gritty cloud]

I'm probably getting this one. ngl

i despise the retro design but it's this or the ktr1

or the 406m ig. probably smarter to wait lol

[still ermine]

I wasn’t going to but the evo changes things. Instead of pocket s I think I’m gonna do micro + evo

[gritty cloud]

that's a good idea

[odd raft]

how long does it usually take Ayaneo from the beginning of their IGG campaigns to actually ship devices to people?

[sour fox]

I think it’s about 30-60 days

[still ermine]

Yep, for the Pocket S, orders opened April 26th and first batch was shipped around May 29th.

[mortal silo]

hmm, never used IGG before, are they similar to kickstarter where they take money for "developement" instead of pre-ordering a product to make it difficult to get a refund?

[sour fox]

Yes, but AYAneo has always refunded money if you wanted to refund. I don't think they ever not shipped something they had in IGG. Main concern might be that specs could change.

[elder trench]

End of the month is when igg goes live so I doubt the chip will change

That's all we know what it has so far and the screen

[sour fox]

I don't think so either. Just pointing out things I seen when using IGG is specs have changed.

[still ermine]

Yeah what jay said - it's a similar concept to kickstarter but they (Ayaneo) have a proven track record. I have personally been able to cancel and get a refund so it's relatively safe.

[mortal silo]

good to know, noticed it doesn't seem like they sell much from their store so it looks like it's gonna be igg

[wary mirage]

everytime i look at this i get hand cramps

[sour fox]

Thanks for your input. Good day

[somber wave]

looks like when energizer tried to make a phone with an 18,000mAh battery

[gray pewter]

That looks awesome

[tulip hedge]

Speaking on IGG anyone from the UK ordered from there before for Ayaneo. Wondering what the shipping and fees could be like? Although guess it depends on the price.

[lean vapor]

Really depends on price. But aya use dhl to ship. I have asked if they can ship using 4px and was told no. Own 4 aya products and all 4 got taxed.

My pocket air was roughly £60 ish tax

[elder trench]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-gif-7891789791562405592

[tulip hedge]

Really debating if the upgrade from the RG405M will be worth it

[placid estuary]

That looks… interesting

[gritty cloud]

theyre going to make an ergo case that ruins how compact this device is

i can see it

just gotta hang on for ~3 months for the actually undeniably good device in this size bracket to become available

[foggy jetty]

More of a sidegrade, honestly. GBA is about the only thing it's perfectly suited for and even then it will be 15% smaller.

[stoic sparrow]

So hot

Idc what anyone says thats a gorgeous device

[sour fox]

AYAneo showed a blacked out one last announcement. That is the one I want

[robust geode]

Knowing Aya that's a special edition for $80 more

[sour fox]

https://tenor.com/view/the-grinch-hate-hate-hate-double-hate-gif-10410407

[robust geode]

How much did they charge for an "unnamed" Pocket S

[sour fox]

IDK but it was part of the everything pack.

[robust geode]

The aesthetics on this are outstanding though, I'll admit it

[sour fox]

This and the EVO. Could be the best two handhelds combo. Then a X86 if you want.

[robust geode]

Evo feels so luxury

Like the rich kid's handheld

Get that and a metal Analogue Pocket and you're really showing off

[sour fox]

OLED for a higher end SOC not fuckery that Odins have.

Full size sticks. The EVO is everything I wanted the Odin 2 to be.

[robust geode]

At almost double the price probably

Full size sticks being this hard to get is still very irritating to me

[sour fox]

I don't like AYN quality to me. Feels like a step up from powkiddy but lest than anbernic. I know this is a hot take. Anything at 300 plus dollars shouldn't have screen issues. Just my option on it.

[robust geode]

I know it technically may have screen issues but I've just never noticed

And I refuse to have it pointed out to me so that I now notice

[sour fox]

I can tell in videos. I could only image how bad it is in real life.

I am very excited for these two handhelds. Wish my eyes sucked so I would enjoy the cheaper odin2s

[gritty cloud]

ok holup.
look at the top of the image, partly obscured by the monitor. Wtf is that

in that corner is a samsung galaxy of some sort, a pocket S, an Air, and what is the 4th device there

[robust geode]

Looks like a phone controller

[hot turtle]

Ayaneo Indent

[gritty cloud]

some kinda prototype possibly?

don't tell me they're going to make a pointless 1:1

[gray pewter]

My pocket flip screen is a lot worse in videos than irl

[stoic sparrow]

Id take the evo any day of the week over the metal AP lol

Like i get that isnt the comparison, but id take that luxury product over the other

[robust geode]

One is luxury in a feature way, the other is luxury in a "it costs money" way

[still ermine]

Maybe the “hot dog handheld” (a custom job of a modified htc 5G hub or something)

[gritty cloud]

i want to see a g3x 3:2 4" thansk ayaneo

honestly knowing ayaneo it'd be triangle shaped and cost $359.22

New Flagship Invoking Elements of Geometric Precision

Expert Gaming Device with No Boundaries

[sour fox]

Might a custom RETIODBOY also.

[stoic sparrow]

Its one of the worst values ive seen in a minute, but luxury device

[floral gull]

I don't really understand the boxiness of this one.

There's a reason why the industry evolved from the NES controller.

I think it looks very good and sleek, but I'm hesitant to say it looks comfortable.

[tall gazelle]

Well sure, but come on. You really think people are gonna be using this thing and not just putting it on a shelf to look pretty and “avoid getting scratches on it from use”?

[stoic sparrow]

Counter point, gameboy micro didn’t jab into your hands, and this looks to have rounded edges

[tall gazelle]

…Actually wait shit, that’s probably why they put the stronger chipset in the DMG, that thing’s aesthetically ugly enough that people won’t care as much about it getting scratches, and putting the same G3X chipset in something that’s likely to be a shelf ornament would be too much even for them.

[stoic sparrow]

Comfy, that will be debatable, but boxy isn’t inherently bad

[tall gazelle]

True, there’s a reason some people still prefer the Gameboy DMG over the Pocket for stuff like Pi-Builds or the Color mod (like me, since I still prefer the DMGC over the MGBC in terms of comfort, although my Frog Boy Color is still my all-time favorite modded Color).

[floral gull]

Yup, fair point. Never owned a micro.

[odd raft]

I'll just wait until these get into reviewers hands before making judgment

I hope it turns out good, but hard to say with just pics

[sour fox]

I need more pic of the all black.

[waxen grove]

Yeah that possibly could be a hot dog I mean it looks like it's got the right shape or at least something that they're working on to mimic it

[somber wave]

retroidboy?

I think arthur has been confirmed to have a retroidboy

yeah look at those two grey buttons near the bottom

it's a retroidboy

[still ermine]

Yeah looks like a good match

[sour fox]

Yeah all ready called it. #1238123357510172803 message

[sour fox]

Where did you get this picture

[elder trench]

the aya discord

[oblique tendon]

Anyone know what game this is? Looks like super punchout but it's not.....

[hot turtle]

Thunder Ray, an Android game

[oblique tendon]

Thank you.... Looks cool

[sour fox]

If you like those type games there is Also this game #🎉│gotw-games message

[gritty cloud]

what is the pricepoint for this device anyway

[oblique tendon]

Cheers; I never know about this game; looks great. I'll see if a English version is available

[sour fox]

No worries. Just saw you like puchout type games. We played for game of the week. A while ago. It was fun. There is an English version. Guess is a decent anime also

[sour fox]

To play video games?

[gritty cloud]

wrong question

[native cove]

Between CNY1000-2000 for the Chinese market. So for the international market it’s potentially between USD$200-$350. Others say it’ll lean on the higher side based on AYANEO’s history so don’t be surprised if it costs USD$300.

Definitely a luxury GBA emulator we have here

[flint sleet]

Be aware that he said the STARTING price

[dreamy bough]

No surprise, Aya Neo does not understand wht Value of Products truly mean

G99 processor + GBA doesn't = $300

[acoustic halo]

If it had an OLED of the same resolution and ratio, I’d probably pay $300-350 honestly. I’m not saying it would be a rational purchase at that point, but I’d do it. I can live with a luxury tax, but you have to actually provide luxury.

[elder trench]

International isn't it's main market so we are paying that extra premium where as domestic gets the better price and the option to grab it in stores

Beautiful device but I already set a limit of 200 usd and if it's over that then I'll just find something else

[crisp hull]

There's a reason why going from the NES controller to the SNES controller, Nintendo found it important to round off the edges and make it a circle pattern instead of a brick

The smaller the device, the more you'll notice the bad ergonomics

[still ermine]

I would argue the opposite. The larger and heavier the more important ergonomic grips are.

[vale crescent]

Was anyone doing good ergo controllers in those days?

Master system was just a box with buttons as well.

I don't think ergo was really a consideration.

[vital sinew]

lol, 250EUR+shipping+VAT, more expensive then base steamdeck, ayaneo is completely whack.

[lean vapor]

Yeah import tax is nasty, esp on aya products 😅

[primal cloud]

300 Dlls would be nasty man

I’m ready to drop 200 for it

250 on a good day

[odd raft]

you are not rich enough for Ayaneo yet

come back once you have more money

[gritty cloud]

yeah for 300 this is DOA gg

[sour fox]

I can’t afford = DOA? Strange but ok.

[crisp grail]

Nah strange is using the ‘you can’t afford it’ rebuttal when people think it’s overpriced.

$300 is wild for this device

[sour fox]

Not what I am saying. Saying anything is DOA becasue of price is strange to me. If you don't want it or like it. There are like 100 other handhelds that will met your needs. I am just matching the hyperbolic energy.

[gray pewter]

There’s also no 3:2 options that have higher than like 2x integer scale that are even worth considering

[hot turtle]

$300 does seem overpriced for a big slab with a G99 no matter how good GBA looks on it

[gray pewter]

Dunno. People pay thousands for tech. I always think it’s funny where handhelds are where some draw the line lol

But to the original point. I’m not sure how price makes it DOA

[sour fox]

I mean people will spend 300 dollar making a OG GBA/SP better.

[gray pewter]

For real lol

[sour fox]

I am one of those people so. This being 300 dollars is ok to me.

[gray pewter]

Rather than wondering why ayaneo, a company that’s already established itself as a seller with higher prices, we should be asking the anbernics and powkiddies to invest more in higher quality 3:2 screens- if a $300 g99 is something you’re not okay with lol

[vital sinew]

just because i can afford it doesnt mean ill throw my money away on something that is a bad value for that money.

[sour fox]

All of these are bad value. They lost like 40% of their value in a year.

[gritty cloud]

when the only justification for buying a device is "i just have the money idc lol" you're living in a strange world only enabled by a bloated cancer tumor of modern capitalism

[sour fox]

Why are you here then?

Just to complain about something you don't want

Or something you do want and can't .................

[vital sinew]

thing lose value, OK, thats not the same as paying Apple tax at purchase tho

[gritty cloud]

because ayaneo is making new designs for a gaming device format that I enjoy? it is something that is worth having discourse around.

[crisp grail]

“Don’t you dare criticize this handheld that I’m willing to overpay for” 🤣

[gritty cloud]

especially discourse around their price.

[gritty cloud]

yeah like. bro.

the reason I included a question mark btw is because the answer to why I'm here is obvious

should be, to you, at least.

Just like anybody else on here, I'm interested in the device, if it makes any form of sense to buy it.

[sour fox]

All I see is you shit on everything. Why I match your hyperbolic stances energy. Is over price? Yes. Does it make DOA? Not likly.

[gritty cloud]

My stances seem hyperbolic because I am passionate.

[gritty cloud]

saying I shit on everything, is hyperbolic.

[sour fox]

Ok, anything AYAneo has in the rumor mill

[sour fox]

My point.

[gritty cloud]

You mean to say (so as not to look like an idiot), the last two devices

and you mean to say I criticized them, because that phrasing is not hyperbolic and inflammatory

so as not to look like an idiot ofc

don't contradict the way you expect me to behave

you say you won't dignify my points if they're hyperbolic. I will treat you the same.

[gray pewter]

Chill out lol

[gritty cloud]

I agree

[sour fox]

I am not. Do as you want and I will say what I want.

[gritty cloud]

How about agreeing $300 is too much for this device's market bracket and moving on

[sour fox]

#1238123357510172803 message

[gritty cloud]

Great, so you're allowing me to tell you to take your opinion & shove it because we can prove it's invalid right

i mean wait, proving it's invalid isn't even a prerequisite by your thinking

[robust geode]

Do you think PSP will look good on here? It should fit

We should talk about that

[gray pewter]

It’ll look better

[sour fox]

You can do whatever you want. I have no control over you.

[gray pewter]

Than 4:3

Lol

[gritty cloud]

I do, I hope it runs well at 2x

[robust geode]

G99 should do that fine from what I know

[gritty cloud]

I had a KTR1 and it did well on lighter games

[sour fox]

G99 can do 3x well for psp

[robust geode]

GBA is the vibe Arthur wants but PSP might be what makes this really cool

[sour fox]

Too small for PSP to me

[robust geode]

The 505 might have been peak PSP but I never had one

[robust geode]

Some of the actiony games definitely, but RPGs and slower paced stuff should be great

[sour fox]

505 has a horrible panel. IMO. rp3+ looks better.

[robust geode]

RP3+ just felt cheap in my hands, never got over that

I like it a lot still but it was an issue

[gray pewter]

All my devices end up playing gba anyways. I just hope this pushes more companies to make a better 3:2

[robust geode]

Powkiddy v10 supremacy

[sour fox]

that dim ass 3:2 from 4 years ago?

[robust geode]

It's impressively dim

[gray pewter]

I like the idea of the v10 but need something wider

[robust geode]

I would be more surprised if Miyoo hadn't just released a dimmer panel

[sour fox]

After how big it is. I was like wow.

[robust geode]

They claimed at one point they're making a horizontal variant

[robust geode]

Nice and chunky, probably makes it more comfy than 90% of verticals

[sour fox]

I think I am canceling my GGG order. Just taking to long and they still don't have stock.

[gray pewter]

That’s just the rgb10 no?

[robust geode]

But a new one with actual stock

[gray pewter]

That would be cool

[robust geode]

They'll be all over Ali soon enough I'm sure

[sour fox]

The RGB10 is the best small GBA handheld.

[gray pewter]

The v10 prompted me to want to buy the trimui smart pro

[sour fox]

Did you get it?

[gray pewter]

Naww I think it comes tmrw

[robust geode]

I'm considering the Smart Pro as a gift to a younger sibling, seems perfect for that

[gray pewter]

Yea it makes a great gift after the fact

[sour fox]

It is a very sold feeling handheld. Well made.

[robust geode]

He currently has a v90 and just basically wants a bigger screen and more consistent performance in GBA and SNES

[sour fox]

V90 uck.

[robust geode]

Bad controls, bad screen, bad performance

But it's cute and it's as durable as a truck

[sour fox]

When garlic was teased for it. I brought one. Think that was almost a year ago

[robust geode]

It just got new Miyoo CFW with improvements I think

[muted rampart]

pretty sure i paid 200 for the gameboy micro back in the day brand new

and that was limited to gba games exclusively

ohhh it was 100

well it felt like 200 when i was a kid

also it's equivalent to about 155 in today money

[gritty cloud]

i feel that

[gritty cloud]

yeah but our standards of what should be playable on a handheld worth $155 are different in 2024

[muted rampart]

truu

[mortal silo]

nah, this item has been repeatedly touted as a luxury device. price is appropriate for this bracket, otherwise it would just be another piece of generic chinese e-waste

[gritty cloud]

i can tout a nice potato as a luxury vegetable and do a 200% price bump, doesn't make it justifiable from the consumer's perspective. The consumer can just get another potato.

Unless they're loaded, in which case logic doesn't work. wallet goes brr

[waxen grove]

$179 early bird igg #229 retail base. $249 early bird limited edition with ???? Who knows. This is what I would do

[mortal silo]

i mean there are fancy french potatoes that sell for $275/lb. just because ayaneo's prices are too high for you, doesn't make the price is inappropriate or the product is bad.

[gray pewter]

Potato potato

[sour fox]

No one has to buy this. There are many other handheld that will do what this does. Those of us planning on buying it. Already know it’s going to be expensive. Look at the 500 metal analog pockets. They all sold out. This will sell well also

[gritty cloud]

this is why I'm saying it's DOA

[sour fox]

DOA = dead on arrival? Correct?

[steep surge]

It's like anything some people buy a car to get from a to b others will buy a luxury model for many more thousands but it will still only get them from a to b at the same speed. Aya don't expect to sell in huge numbers outside china it's about innovation for them and pushing the envelope with their designs.

[sour fox]

It’s something I like. Reminds of a bigger gba micro

[gritty cloud]

nah cars aren't as comparable as u say to handhelds

handheld emulators really are just the sum of their parts performance OS and craftsmanship. they don't bring anything else to the table