AYANEO Next Lite

[brazen steeple]

Budget device from Aya supposedly shipping with Steam OS?

AYANEO Next Lite

[lethal burrow]

hopefully a budget emudeck monster

[steel anvil]

Details when? Also what means budget for Aya?

There is always the Steam Deck looming with its price to performance ratio.

[quaint bough]

Only need to wait nearly a full year. Announcing now for a 12/1/24 domestic release, crazy.

Oh wait, is it Jan 12, 2024?

Damn America with having to list the date differently than the rest of the planet.

[frail charm]

I think $300 and below is what you need to hit to call it budget

[drifting valve]

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/01/ayaneo-next-lite-handheld-announced-with-steamos-linux/

[brazen steeple]

Now, this forward-looking flagship handheld, AYANEO NEXT, returns in full force with the rejuvenated AYANEO NEXT LITE. Building upon the foundation of top-tier flagship design and texture, AYANEO NEXT LITE comes pre-installed with the SteamOS gaming system for the first time. AYANEO NEXT LITE integrates outstanding cost-effectiveness, lowering the entry barrier while further popularizing numerous flagship features, offering an upgraded experience to more players, and allowing them to enjoy the endless fun and convenience of gaming handhelds.

AYANEO

[brazen steeple]

It’s this, preorders open on the 12th

[frail charm]

"It also features the standard Hall sensing joystick found in high-end handhelds, providing players with a precise control experience that is hard to match in the same price range. With a 7-inch 800P high-brightness screen, a 47Wh large-capacity battery, X-axis linear motors, and other features, AYANEO NEXT LITE continues the legacy, delivering a lasting and enjoyable gaming experience to players."

Screen is a decent place to cost cut

[fringe umbra]

do we have a price on this?

[frail charm]

Nope, should have it tomorrow with preorders

this is just a "budget" line

Saving money on no Windows licenses

https://www.ayaneo.com/product/AYANEO-NEXT-LITE.html

[fossil breach]

Interesting. I'm not holding my breath on it being an actual 'budget' price given that it's from Ayaneo. But if it comes with SteamOS, that's extremely exciting. Curious as to whether it is trying to compete directly with the Deck, or be a sort of 'Deck-lite' for less intensive games. Personally I'd love a lighter device with a better battery life that could play a lot of Steam's indie games, which are my favorite part of its library.

[flint kayak]

Inb4 budget means budget compared to their own devices

[gloomy garnet]

AYANEO say "subscriptions" will open 9:30 PM EST on January 11th EST / 2:30 AM January 12th UTC.
Given that term, I deeply fear that this might be HaaS

[brazen steeple]

Make first payment with prepaid visa

Ghost em

[flint kayak]

How many ayaneo devices are there that are currently shown off but nothing actually released to the public?

[fringe umbra]

isn't it like 4

[floral crane]

Flip, S, Next II, game boy clone?

[minor crater]

If this hits a price sweet spot it will be incredibly tempting, I actually don’t love the size of the steam deck

[brazen steeple]

Old chart, but maybe looking at a AMD 4000 series

[jaunty flume]

I’m not an expert on these devices how would the AMD 4000 compare to the steam deck SOC?

[brazen steeple]

Unfavorably I believe, deck is between the 5700u and 6800u at 15w and even better at low watts

[frail charm]

Much better answer

[peak quiver]

I'm predicting this thing will come out at 399. I think staying right at that steam deck price and also the fact that they're not putting this on Indiegogo says a lot

[frail charm]

Not putting it on Indiegogo saves them cash, that's the smart move with a low margin budget handheld

[peak quiver]

Is this really going to be better than say in Odin 2 Pro overall for many things? Obviously I'm saying if Odin 2 ever gets Linux running with this be better if it undercuts a price

[frail charm]

As of now you're going to be able to play x86 games, which is big

[peak quiver]

So I guess I missed that it's going to dual boot it's not going to do just SteamOS?

[frail charm]

SteamOS is x86

[untold sinew]

hard to compare them

last I checked, ryzen 4000 wasn't efficient that much compared to 5000 or 6000. SD8G2 is really damn efficient but yeah one is a handheld PC that can run x86 titles with ease and one isn't

overall, it's safe to say, the odin 2 will have a much greater battery life running emulation than this

[lost oxide]

They have to be using Mendocino APUs or something for it to be "budget".

I'm just guessing, because outside of grabbing some old 4000/5000 series APUs, having a cheap 128/256gb model and using the same 800p panel I cant see what else can be done to cut corners to make it affordable.

[floral crane]

They could just have these parts gathering dust who knows

[zealous raven]

Your definition of budget is most likely different to aya’s 😅😂

[burnt holly]

Brand new budget handheld. Only $699.

[static field]

When I see the word "lite", I am thinking is it something like the air with low weight and easy to put into backpack.
so It seems it is only lite in the SOC?

[manic siren]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-dance-gif-9442723

[peak quiver]

Isn't that like saying we're using third party Linux not Linus torvald Linux

[manic siren]

Got them the headlines though 😄

[fossil breach]

What does '3rd party SteamOS' even mean? That it's not going to be maintained by the Valve team? That support is an important part of the advantage of the Deck. This statement just made it way less appealing.

[manic siren]

Probably just means chimeraOS or something.

[vale flint]

Yepp - of you look at the screenshots you see the xbox logo on the bottom left and not steam… so it is holoiso or something similar

Better than nothing if they (aya) will actually support it and make sure that drivers etc are ok

Also - it could hopefully mean that it would be supported on all other Aya devices

[manic siren]

Looking like holoiso, yeah.

[stray reef]

Better then them trying to develop their own and windows isn't setup the best for handhelds yet.

Will be cool to see steamos on other handhelds. No idea if this one will be worth it but still cool to see.

[manic siren]

We'll know more in about 10 hours.

[brazen steeple]

Hype massacred

[frail charm]

Still holding by my first opinion that "SteamOS" is there to save some money on windows keys

Which I'm perfectly fine with

[manic siren]

Seems like it ships with a version of holo, but it'll be easy enough to install what you want on it.

[lost oxide]

I think I'll just install windows on it if I get my hands on one.

[vale flint]

Dual boot might be the way to go. Chimera/holo for 95% of the stuff and win if you have anything that will not run on linux

Will do something similar on my aya next I bought during the sale in Dec

[lean crest]

yeah them not paying for a windows OEM license also points to this actually being good value imo

as long as it works with a real decent steamOS type linux OS like bazzite, nobara, or chimera I'm happy

and is cheap, lightweight, and good for indies

my partner only plays low spec indie games but hates how big my steam deck is (and isn't willing to pay $500+ for a more compact x86 handheld)

[unkempt violet]

Does steamOS require AMD? Intel n200 is fairly cheap and does decent emulation.

[stray reef]

I believe so far it only has amd drivers built in.

But maybe on of the other distros has support now?

That was what was stopping some people from installing it on certain computers at least like a year ago

[lean crest]

some of the 'other distros' like bazzite are basically a fedora distro or similar configured to work like steamOS rather than using valve's OS specifically

[lost oxide]

I don't think SteamOS requires AMD, moreso that AMD is just better prioritized on Linux

Intel IIRC isnt as close but better than Nvidia, which I hear has very little support in comparison

[lean crest]

well, current steamOS doesn't include any support for intel stuff

but you could change that pretty easily

[stray reef]

i dont know about easily...

[lean crest]

well there's stuff like bazzite

which just does all the same stuff as steamOS but uses standard fedora as the base instead of custom arch

so it'll work with any hardware fedora works on

[minor crater]

When are we thinking we’ll learn about final price and power?

[manic siren]

A few hours

[unkempt violet]

930 Eastern time.

[floral cedar]

Does the stuff including the steam client etc in holoiso still get updates?

[haughty lagoon]

it's fedora linux, so any work done on the base operating system or kernel will apply when you drop into terminal and do the "ssh vivek@fedora37-nixcraft-cloud && sudo dnf upgrade" command.

that pretty much will do a full rundown of the os and upgrade whatever it finds is outdated

[flint kayak]

not really a fan of fedora but hey

could easily just throw whatever you wanted

i suppose

[tiny cove]

Do we have a price?

[flint kayak]

well its not 9:30 yet...

[simple wasp]

preorders late jan, dispatch before mid feb

[unkempt violet]

Chinese New year is on Feb 9th. Pretty tight schedule they have there if true

[simple wasp]

subscription might mean, reservations, you put 100$ down

they have done this before for pocket air in China

[flint kayak]

email subscribe?

ive never followed ayaneo stuff sadly

[simple wasp]

I changed my mind it can't be email subscribe because the email is already there in the website bottom right

[flint kayak]

mostly because it feels like they announce something

[simple wasp]

https://ayaneo.com/product/AYANEO-NEXT-LITE.html

[flint kayak]

like way too frequently lol

ah

then i have no idea

[simple wasp]

to pull it off in such a tight timeframe, it could be, you put money down 100$, purchase time you refund or make up the difference when the final price is announced

[flint kayak]

then get it sometime in june

[simple wasp]

like I said, it was this way for pocket air - there was a big discount for the reservation

[flint kayak]

itll be interesting regardless

[simple wasp]

3 mins

[flint kayak]

im curious what they consider "budget"

because yea like someone said previously budget and ayaneo in the same line....

[simple wasp]

2000 rmb / 300 usd I guess

[flint kayak]

part of me wonders if regret will kick in

the other part of me has thrown so much at the odin 2 and it just runs with it

and any PC games i play just dont work with a controller lol

[simple wasp]

it's cheap

[haughty lagoon]

9:30 - NO UPDATE

[flint kayak]

?

[simple wasp]

1699rmb 240usd

[flint kayak]

oh?

where is this?

[flint kayak]

no specs?

[simple wasp]

AYANEO handheld console

Super value starting from 1699 yuan, the cost-effective choice AYANEO NEXT LITE officially starts pre-sale

[frail charm]

What's the normal difference in price between China and Global

[haughty lagoon]

240usd. ryzennnnn....... 2500u

[unkempt violet]

240. Hmm

[frail charm]

https://card.weibo.com/article/m/show/id/2309404989305537036498?id=2309404989305537036498

4500u for lowest end

4800u higher end

$240 4800u is good. Depends now on how much it costs to get it to our doors outside of China

[simple wasp]

HoloISO confirmed

[haughty lagoon]

wow. they just knocked out the win600 and loki zero in a single move

[simple wasp]

not bad

[haughty lagoon]

actually a good deal. possibly the best x86 deal

[unkempt violet]

4800u here I come.

[frail charm]

I'd recommend a refurbished 64gb Deck at a similar price

[haughty lagoon]

vega 6 and vega 8 graphics. not bad.

[simple wasp]

https://ayaneo.com/product/AYANEO-NEXT-LITE.html page updated

[frail charm]

But that's just inane to compete with

[frail charm]

No way the lowest spec has 16gb RAM + 512gb SSD

[simple wasp]

yeah I agree

4500u 8g 128gb probably for 240

[haughty lagoon]

lowest spec can handle Horizon Zero Dawn decently enough. cyberpunk will need that cyberpotato mod on nexus
https://youtu.be/Ci7J-psiAW8?t=164

[unkempt violet]

Hmm CPU is the only one that has options.

[simple wasp]

I think they are selling it direct

they have a store link but nothing on store yet

[olive silo]

if it was windows I would be all over this, maybe its easy enough to change it?

[flint kayak]

should be

i dont see why it wouldnt but

tbh

id roll linux on it

amd works really well on linux

[haughty lagoon]

if all the peripherals are generic enough for linux to simply deal with, yeah, you should be fine

[flint kayak]

like....really well

[unkempt violet]

https://youtu.be/z1yo5eue-aw?si=6OJeeD4gbBWNp4md

[olive silo]

I got a deck already

[haughty lagoon]

you don't need this then.

[frail charm]

Deck will outperform it and do better in basically every way

[haughty lagoon]

you'd only be changing your formfactor

[frail charm]

And getting hall sticks

[flint kayak]

yea if you have a deck

theres zero reason to get this

tbh

[olive silo]

I wanted a cheaper windows one for gamepass stuff, yeah, I dont need it

[haughty lagoon]

it's attractive and it has mid-spec gaming laptop energy. plenty of people will want it

[flint kayak]

im just gonna stick being happy with my odin 2 lol

[frail charm]

If you're fancy enough to want an emulation only handheld this is also nice

Even with a Deck

[wooden narwhal]

how good would emulation be on this thing

[simple wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TalsdzpqRak

[gentle coral]

What would emulation be like on this

[flint kayak]

from 299

welp

[haughty lagoon]

yeah, this will nail down 6th gen and do a large portion of 7th-8th gen on both the emulation and x86 gaming side to a degree

[gentle coral]

The international tax strikes again

[frail charm]

That's a big jump

[flint kayak]

$299

places you into just get a deck

unless you really want this

[gentle coral]

Unfortunate

[brazen steeple]

4500u
shows Jedi Survivor on high settings

[haughty lagoon]

This looks cuter than the deck

[flint kayak]

im glad someone else noticed this

[olive silo]

i like the white with orange one

[frail charm]

This is legitimately the only reason to get it over a LCD Deck

[unkempt violet]

They made a 4500u handheld 2 years ago.

https://youtu.be/9GfP8aaQPAg?si=ulZHaA8G9n3IwvFv

[flint kayak]

yup

[gentle coral]

The colors look nice

[unkempt violet]

Totally forgot.

[gentle coral]

What’s changed with this one then?

[haughty lagoon]

more backpack-friendly due to flatter slab style. it has that on the deck

[gentle coral]

Other than shell

[frail charm]

$240 it was a decent option, $300 is "buy a deck"

[simple wasp]

240 if you live in china

damn

[frail charm]

I feel bad because Valve is just being brutal with their prices, this is a good attempt

[gentle coral]

Why is there always a fairly significant price increase for international sales?

Do they have to pay export taxes or something like that?

[frail charm]

Maybe they're including shipping?

[haughty lagoon]

customs and cross-boundary taxes/security/etc.

[gentle coral]

Considering shipping usually isn’t included

[frail charm]

A 25% international price increase is more than I usually see

[gentle coral]

I don’t mean only this device (if ayaneo does). I’m thinking of the gkd pixel too

[haughty lagoon]

if my win600 didn't have rubbed off paint on the grips and a back covered in stickers, i'd marketplace it for this, lol.

[frail charm]

GKD is pricey. I'm thinking Anbernic, Ayn, Powkiddy etc.

[gentle coral]

Sucks that it’s such a big increase

[gentle coral]

Yeah that’s just the only one I remembered the difference of off the top of my head

[brazen steeple]

Was $870 early bird indigogo price back then, honestly kinda props for getting a similar package down to that magic $299

[gentle coral]

Also what does it mean subscriptions open?

Wonky translation?

Or am I missing something?

[haughty lagoon]

so basically this is a relaunch of the Ayaneo 2021

[brazen steeple]

Guessing they mean preorder

[haughty lagoon]

at least they're sticking to what works, i suppose.

[brazen steeple]

So what’s shipping to the US from them usually cost?

[wooden narwhal]

no clue I thought it was free shipping to us

or maybe thats just the igg sales

[brazen steeple]

Lmao they still have ayaneo os on their front page

[flint kayak]

inb4 $45 shipping

[gentle coral]

Free DHL for the air 1s (just went to their website now to check)

[haughty lagoon]

still a good starter device for someone with weak wrists

[gentle coral]

I chose the first device I saw, don’t know if that’s the norm or a recent one

[high ridge]

https://vxtwitter.com/AYANEO__/status/1745640793828946233?t=7ELXHU8j3Wn8mRExryDg5A&s=19

[brazen steeple]

Oh that’s interesting, if shipping is free then $299 for this is actually kinda rad. Should crush most emulation and 7 and 8 gen pc games

Any word on price for the 4800u version?

[wooden narwhal]

Excuse my brain but what is gen 7 and 8 lol

[haughty lagoon]

hmmm 720 grams with the cpu on the right side. that means the battery is going to be on the left.

[flint kayak]

gen 6 would be ps2/gc/dc/xbox

[haughty lagoon]

it's going to feel like a slab of clay

[wooden narwhal]

oh ok

[flint kayak]

gen 7 would be ps3/360/wii

[haughty lagoon]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/6ur376ypme1cx9q27110e4p28isaknw.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/hz3b0i331e74gflg271a1chkf0hf90v.png

[flint kayak]

thanks

[brazen steeple]

If nothing else I like the price and the size for that perf

Almost eats Odin 2’s lunch a bit if you’re treating them both as home portables

[haughty lagoon]

now compare that to the deck

[simple wasp]

it seems like a reasonable product, the ayaneo tax moves it a bit too close to deck though

[burnt holly]

So this was a bust, as expected. Ayaneo doesn't do budget devices.

[haughty lagoon]

it's a pretty nice size, style, and performance range for the average gamer

https://youtu.be/id46v8kqjMs?t=85

[brazen steeple]

Idk about being a bust. Maybe not for people on this discord but at 300 I could see this doing ok with slightly out of the know gamers on tictok ads and shit

[flint kayak]

i guess we will see

[unkempt violet]

You can get a used deck on FB for around 300-350 but ayaneo got better ergo. Dpad also looks a lot better. Steam deck is a chonk.

[brazen steeple]

And maybe push other Chinese boutique mfg to wrap their own steam os even if it’s not ordained from valve lol

[haughty lagoon]

you can curl up with this. you can't curl up with a steamdeck

[unkempt violet]

299 for a new system is decent. With shipping then it is about the same as low end deck.

[brazen steeple]

Bitch I curl

[burnt holly]

If it cones with free shipping, that'll help. But $300 for the lower spec model is iffy.

[brazen steeple]

Any pricing on the 4800?

[haughty lagoon]

hmmm.... if you had someone in china buy it for you, it probably would cost the same to ship it

south america is like +60usd

[unkempt violet]

I notice they updated the launch page.

The storage has two configs now.

[flint kayak]

Okay so it has 16gb overall

Nice

[simple wasp]

difference between 4500u and 4800u is 100 usd in china

[flint kayak]

So 399 4800u

Ehh

[burnt holly]

Yeah, no, that's Steam Deck territory.

[simple wasp]

the 240 usd sku is 16G + 128G

[flint kayak]

Well 240 if you are in china

300 everywhere else

Right?

[burnt holly]

The high spec version needs to be like $350 to really undercut Valve. Any higher and you're really just better off getting a Steam Deck.

[unkempt violet]

Would the steam os help with performance?

[flint kayak]

Honestly seeing the perf diff

[unkempt violet]

Cus steam deck performs better

[flint kayak]

Between this and steam deck

[haughty lagoon]

monopolies are bad by principle. i can see someone buying this specifically for some socioeconomic reason

[flint kayak]

I can say amd GPU wise better off on Linux

And that's what's on this

Granted

I only know about rdna2

This uses vega

Iirc

[unkempt violet]

4800u at 399 is killing the buzz

[brazen steeple]

John Steamos

[unkempt violet]

And that is without shipping.

[flint kayak]

Right

$30-$45 shipping my guess

[haughty lagoon]

if this, the rog ally, the claw, the steam deck were all in a store and you could grab one to mess with, which would you get

[flint kayak]

If I had to choose between the 4

[unkempt violet]

Deck at 399.

[flint kayak]

Deck

[unkempt violet]

Low end rog ally is 400 at Best buy.

[brazen steeple]

Get the claw, give myself burns, threaten to sue the store, get bought off with a free ally and deck

[burnt holly]

Like it or not, the Steam Deck is really good value. And it has great support.

[flint kayak]

This tbh

Both in software and hardware

[unkempt violet]

With the claw, you can save money on heating.

Leave it under pillow after use.

[haughty lagoon]

i'd be based and get the Ally

cap it at 9w and just play the gothic series at max resolution

[unkempt violet]

The extreme or basic one9

[haughty lagoon]

basic

[unkempt violet]

Good choice. It is good for emulation and indie stuff.

[static field]

Does this mention the weight already?

[haughty lagoon]

720g

[brazen steeple]

1 g per p

[haughty lagoon]

it's a heavy slab.

that white and orange look though.

if they included a free bag of orange peppermint candy with each unit, that would be sold.

[flint kayak]

Honestly I'd say no idea why someone would get this but then again I bought an Odin 2 because I didn't want steam deck size so... I'd be a hypocrite to judge

I just don't know how I feel about perf for the price and really battery life I do wonder

[burnt holly]

I feel like the Odin 2 is different enough to warrant a purchase. Plus the base price is good.

This is just trying to be a Steam Deck alternative at a bad price point.

[haughty lagoon]

watch it sell out literally the first week

[flint kayak]

man

reading the battery life numbers

from the 2021 aya neo

oof

[simple wasp]

4800u only has black available

4500u comes in all 3 colors

[flint kayak]

wat

[burnt holly]

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

[flint kayak]

that seems back asswards

https://www.reddit.com/r/ayaneo/comments/x6o976/how_much_battery_life_are_you_getting_with_the/

[brazen steeple]

The Apple model. Pro models can’t be fun colors

[flint kayak]

what was the aya neo 2021 model whr battery size

[flint kayak]

oh no

its also 47whr

[brazen steeple]

1:40 at 15 watts
cyberpunk low 720p needs 30w to hit 29fps

[flint kayak]

okay so basically

whatever the ayaneo 2021 got battery life wise

expect that

[unkempt violet]

2021 has 47whr

[flint kayak]

literally same size battery

[simple wasp]

4800u - april as well....

I guess they have the 4500u in production now

[flint kayak]

did they parts bin this from the 2021 model

[haughty lagoon]

looks like it

[flint kayak]

please dont shoot me

[simple wasp]

I mean it's obvious they did

[brazen steeple]

I could almost see this as a tinker box. Like if you have a deck you don’t want to mess with you could use this to flash random forks of steam os or whatever distro for fun

[unkempt violet]

They are honest about the chip being old. Lol

[brazen steeple]

SHIPPED YEARS AGO

[flint kayak]

[haughty lagoon]

so wait. WAIT A MINUTE. LIMITED RELEASE

[brazen steeple]

So Ally z1 base vs 4800u?

[haughty lagoon]

it literally is a parts bin sale

[brazen steeple]

The clickbait console

[haughty lagoon]

from a collector's standpoint....

this was a -good- move

[brazen steeple]

Don’t you start

[high ridge]

$299 Ayaneo Next Lite or Win600

[brazen steeple]

Watch anbernic launch the most broken implementation of steam os on their next x86

The loss600

[burnt holly]

Odin 2 stays winning. Android king doesn't need to compete.

[haughty lagoon]

well, i already sold 5 of my devices. done collecting

between this and my gpd xp plus, i'd rather keep my xp plus.

[unkempt violet]

I will just wait 3 years for 399 6800u.

[spark heath]

Yea I think I'd rather snag a base model Odin 2, this thing is just too chonky

[static field]

May I pick Loki zero

[high ridge]

Loki Zero or Ayaneo Next Lite

[dry olive]

not wrong there. It has the original bad 7" screen from ayaneo 2021

[dry olive]

z1 all the way.

where's @lean crest? He is always talking about wanting a cheap pc handheld.

[lean crest]

the 4800u is the only sku worth getting and it's too close in price to the deck imo

I wouldn't pick this or the z1 base over a deck

this actually weighs more than the deck too

like if you want a cheaper/weaker/smaller deck alternative that's the loki zero

[dry olive]

yup. typical response from pope. good job buddy!

[lean crest]

I fully acknowledge that what it would take to beat the deck (a loki zero with slightly better specs while remaining as small/cheap to be able to run most indies) may not actually be a viable product

but that isn't a reason to pay aya for something larger and worse

if they had gone down to the 5.5" oled they used in the pocket air for this and were able to make the thermals work at this price I think the 4800u would be tempting

[brazen steeple]

I’ve been wanting a smaller x86 handheld for my jacket pocket and Id sacrifice some perf for the privilege so yeah I hear you there

[lean crest]

Honestly I wish amd would just sell the deck apu to other OEMs

If I could get a deck APU in the pocket air screen/case I’d be down

[patent osprey]

same, i was actually thinking this would be that before knowing it's not official steamos

i would love valve to partner with someone to make more designs with the deck chip so we actually have some more efficient handhelds

[untold sinew]

HoloISO really wants amd

Would be interesting to see JelOS or ChimeraOS on this though

Damn 4500U/4800U lmao

Didn't realize the specs had actually released

[manic siren]

Given the Loki Zero with JELOS was almost doing the full Wii U catalogue, the $300 version of this if it works with JELOS should do it all.

So it's the cheapest x86 that can cover Wii U. And it'll do most of the PS2 games android can't.

Ayaneo are doing windows drivers for it.

This could be a nice back up computer/Wii U and PS2 gaps machine.

The next console to conquer emu wise is Switch, and you really need a 7840U for all the games, which is going to be close to double the price.

It won't be for everyone, but I can see a use case. I'm tempted myself, as I want an x86, but I don't really feel I'd use it much. $300 is easier to justify for that usecase.

[untold sinew]

cemu, please come to android

[manic siren]

It will eventually. Once Winlator can do it

[manic siren]

This is the same chip as the $300 model, and it actually performs a lot better than I was assuming, so that's cool. It does a lot more Switch/PS3/Xbox 360 than I was assuming, and this video is from mid 2021, so those emulators will have got better since then.

Doesn't even need JELOS to do stuff like Zelda Breath of the wild on the Wii U.

It seems to be struggling with Citra from 2.5 years ago, but I assume that Citra works better on it now 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEeOfFOIdg&t=20s

I'm sold on the $300 one.

[patent osprey]

yeah seems like a decent deal for emulation

[manic siren]

I hope $300 and below x86 handhelds do take off.

X86 does offer a lot that Android doesn't. Ignoring PS3/XBOX/360/better Switch emulator (power will be the bigger issue there)...

If $300 and under gets the gaps filled for Aethers, and Wii U, and also offers a decent PC gaming experience, I think it's got a lot to offer someone with a good ARM handheld. Ok, it's not going to do AAA PC gaming, but it's decades ahead of what Winlater can do.

Doesn't always just have to be the most powerful chip, or a steam deck 🤷‍♂️

[floral cedar]

Need to see if they will have free shipping, if yes the 299 one is a decent budget option

[manic siren]

Ayaneo do free shipping to everywhere that isn't Brazil, as far as I know.

[floral cedar]

They don't offer free shipping for some of their discounted/cheaper stuff on their official store

[patent osprey]

if loki zero is good for 250+shipping, i think 300+shipping for this is a good deal too

and if it's free shipping, they're even comparable

[manic siren]

I've not seen any consoles without free shipping, have you?

[manic siren]

I was really tempted by the Zero, but I was put off by it not quite being there for Wii U, as that's a milestone I wanted. Even with JELOS, it was struggling with the tougher games.

This gets all of the system, which is nice.

[floral cedar]

Yes, the restock of the airplus on sale last Nov they suddenly added shipping fee when restocking. I was lucky to grab a 16gb mendo from the 1st batch when it was 292 with free shipping.

And below from Web posted in Taki discord.

[manic siren]

Hmm, I guess shipping will be worth looking out for then. I didn't realised they added shipping in the flash sales.

As far as I know, all new consoles have free shipping. Even the Pocket Air did, and that was the same price as the $300 version of this. But we'll see.

Obviously, I retract everything I said about it being a good deal if $50 shipping is added, at that point, there's a very strong argument for just spending $50 extra and getting a Steam Deck, and the extra power and better support/software that comes with it.

Update - I just asked on the Aya discord. Looks like the shipping in the sales was just if you wanted faster shipping, but free shipping was an option.

So I'd 90% assume shipping is free for the Next Lites.

[floral cedar]

Quite sure they added compulsory shipping fee at least for the airplus one, I was refreshing to see if I can get a 8gb mendo (as I don't really need the 16gb I grab initially) but end up the restock of the 8gb was more expensive than the 16gb I got (292 USD) from the first round due to shipping added.
But anyway, just has to wait, from what I observe Aya they probably monitor people feedback as well, if majority think added shipping is not an issue they will just grab the chance to add them for additional profit, vice versa.

Just like how they toyed with the idea of "same 100 USD shipping fee regardless of region/country" during one of their previous compaign and stop doing that after the outroar

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[manic siren]

I'm still sold on the $300 version, but one flaw is that there's no SD card slot, and the internal memory is only 128gb. Which won't get you very far really.

So it's probably $300 + the cost of a 2280 SSD, unless you don't want to put much on it.

To be honest, I only really play one game at a time, so that might well be fine for me.

[peak quiver]

Is there a link somewhere where you guys seeing that neo x for 349

[haughty lagoon]

Its heavier than the deck, but smaller in volume. There's a lot of metal in this thing

[manic siren]

The $350 model is the same as the $300, but a bigger SSD.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194609575240933457/1195213156457398312/Next_Lite_poster.png?ex=65b32bfe&is=65a0b6fe&hm=d39cf5c6d7bda5a8b930f617b497c3c5bd5c47b2f80437f0d7657707fa150e19&

[manic siren]

A lot of budget goodness stuffed in there.

[haughty lagoon]

It should fit in a switch oled case just like the win600 fits in an og switch case. What are the dimensions?

[manic siren]

If it's the same as the next, 267 mm x 112 mm x 30 mm

[haughty lagoon]

269x129 is the oled case. It fits!

[manic siren]

FYI, Ayaneo normally send a free (good) case with new consoles. Not sure if that's the situation here, as it's not going on IGG, but we'll see.

Pocket Air was the same price, and did, but it went on IGG.

[haughty lagoon]

But still... Needs more orange

Also be mindful. If you use any frame limiting to reduce system refresh to 40hz or lower, you can buff that 1hr 40min to 2hrs 13min Or higher.

[lean crest]

Any pics of the pastel blue yet?

[spare shell]

Are the subscriptions only for China?

Or did they also open for international

[simple wasp]

preorders open in china I believe

nothing on ayaneo.com store yet (int)

[unkempt violet]

Maybe china will scoop up all the stocks.

Since it is limited.

[tall cypress]

This seems nice, I'm tempted...

However, the battery life would be a concern...

A shame it doen't have an SD card slot

[manic siren]

You can subscribe to their email list. But probably not on sale for a few weeks.

[manic siren]

It's an x86. Battery will be rubbish. That's just standard really.

[tall cypress]

3-4 hours of indie gameplay would be nice 🙂

it isn't up for international sale yet? Only china atm?

[manic siren]

Better to have it than not, obviously.

But to be honest, most people are just going to open it up and put a bigger SSD in anyway. It's cheaper than an SD card, and this thing is priced low, so opening it up is less worrysome than for a more premium device.

And if it's like the Next and original ayaneo handheld, it's much easier to change than more recent ones. There's a yourtube vid of someone doing it in 3 minutes, and they are not rushing.

[tall cypress]

oh if that's an easy fix that would be really nice!

[manic siren]

Sure, for stuff it can get easily you'll be fine.

Don't expect to push it to 15TDP at max brightness for 4 hours though 😄

[lean crest]

ok I am colourblind enough that on my phone screen I thought those were both white

[manic siren]

In this space, most that are buying in will already have spare SSD's, or something they can swap out from another device they are not currently using anyway. Just imagine the base as a sort of "bare bones" version really. Like the 64GB steam deck used to be.

[manic siren]

It's quite a subtle blue.

I like it, it's the one I'm going with.

[tall cypress]

just looked at the video and if it's the same design that was easy indeed 🙂

[manic siren]

Even I don't mind doing it. Honestly, if it had an SD card reader I think I'd just go the SSD route anyway. Cheaper.

[manic siren]

I just hope people can understand there is a space for cheaper stuff, like they do for Android.

It's not as good as the steam deck in specs. Although it is thinner with a better screen.
But in the UK it's 2/3rds of the price of a steam deck. So, that's fine.

Some of us want a cheap thing to tinker with, or to be less careful with when taking it around. Some just don't want to spend loads on an X86. I hope it's a success, and people get that the X86 market can be cheaper than £350 as a starting price.

[frail charm]

It's excellent if it's significantly cheaper than a deck

In USA a refurb deck is cheaper or the same price

And that's where most people are probably giving their perspective from. This is a neat product for everyone else

[manic siren]

It's the equivalent of $150 cheaper in the UK. That's an RP4 as the difference 😄

I'm a bit on the fence when people start comparing refurbs and stuff. If you can easily get it, and it comes with a few years warranty, then fine.
But if it's only available occasionally, and it only comes with a years warranty, there are some unspoken drawbacks there. I.e. if it's been used loads by the initial owner, and you want to use it a lot, it may not last long.

[haughty lagoon]

I don't particularly care for price specs. I have a 2400ge and a 3400g mini that I both acquired for double digits to be office/entertainment center devices. This is within their same power range, so its pretty much gold

[manic siren]

I prefer comparing new to new, unless the warrenty is long term

[frail charm]

Refurbs come with risks, but comparing Aya support to GameStop and Valve refurb support I'd rather the later

[manic siren]

Oh sure, that's a trade off. Also, you don't get steam OS, which is another trade off. And you don't get the PC game optimisations the deck has.

I mean, there are loads of trade offs. But my point is some people talk about refurbs like it's the same as new. It's not. As long as they are clear it's a mark against, it's cool.

It's definitely not better than the steam deck. If it were the same price, or just a bit cheaper, it would be pointless.

It's like comparing the RP4 pro to the Odin 2 Pro. Odin 2 pro is better, but it's also a lot more. Depends how much you value it, and how much money is worth to you.

[haughty lagoon]

Also the steamdeck isn't everyone's style regardless of its specs and price.

It has the same general clonkiness as the game gear, design-wise

[manic siren]

Yeah, I mean, this is not as wide or tall, but not far off.

It is a lot thinner though.

So depends what people dislike about the Steam Deck I guess.

And it has colours. People like colours.

The toothpaste blue is nice.

[plush ermine]

Uwu what this

[zealous raven]

Wait?!? No sd card slot?!?!!

[manic siren]

Nope. It's one game at a time, or buy an SSD. Which is cheaper anyway to be honest. There's a youtube video of someone swapping the SSD on the next in 3 minutes.

[zealous raven]

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-video-game-monsters-inky-blinky-gif-16902177

Game over!

[manic siren]

I dunno, Rog Allys not had a useable SD cart slot, and that's doing fine 😄

[zealous raven]

My day one ally, sd card still works 😝

[manic siren]

I mean, if you want to take that risk....

[plush ermine]

How does this chip compare to other handhelds?

[manic siren]

Not very well. Worse than the Steam Deck, better than the Loki Zero. But it's priced to reflect that.

Basically it'll do all the PS2/Wii U catalogue, a decent amount of Switch, some PS3/XBOX/360, and AAA PC games from 2021.

Here's the video on how to swap the SSD. Takes 2 mins 17 secs from lifting off the case, to putting the case back on to re-screw it (i.e. the normally tricky bit).

https://youtu.be/55Zt88i8krY?si=FQ36Ct-fwIw7HtvD&t=185

[tall cypress]

Yeah seeing this makes me feel that the omission of the sd card slot isn’t that bad. I have to check some size comparisons. I sold my steam deck due to its size and I’m looking for something sleeker.

[manic siren]

Depends what you mean by sleeker. It's a little over half as thick. A little less wide and tall, but only by a few cm.
I'd say basically same size but thinner.

[manic siren]

Honestly, changing the SSD is cheaper and works better. And this thing is compatible with up to 8tb SSD, so you'll be fine 😄

I'm not technical, and it doesn't worry me at all.

[tall cypress]

Ok! Saw the images above comparing it to the switch, and it seems to be just a little bigger than that. Have they announced a date for international sales?

[manic siren]

No date. But they'll be shipping within a month (before CNY) and preorders will be within a few weeks.

So it'll move fast. Like the mini pc's they announce and ship quick.

Between the mini pc's and this, Aya are becoming the x86 budget kings 😄

For people who want premium gaming. But from 2021.

[tall cypress]

Ok nice, will stay tuned then 👍

[manic siren]

People over on the aya discord are also pretty hyped up.

[untold sinew]

The first good aya neo product? /s

first good x86*

[manic siren]

😄

[untold sinew]

Can't generalize all their products because the pocket air was apparently really good

Just a tad pricy

[manic siren]

It's always sort of bugged me they way people (not so much on RH) refer to the Steam Deck as the "cheap" x86 option.

In the UK, the base Next Lite will be the equivalent of an RP4 (non pro) cheaper.

People just lose perspective of price on x86. This is $300, and will still do a lot of PS3/Xbox 360. And have a good go at PC games that are not AAA from the last few years. That's still a pretty good time.

[manic siren]

I love mine 😄

[untold sinew]

I mean, yeah it's a "cheap" option, dunno if UK gets the refurbished models too :P

Also now you got me wondering, PS3 on that?

[manic siren]

Technically yes. In reality, I've never seen one in stock.

And in any case. Refurbished isn't the same as new, especially if the previous owner used it loads. It's like running a laptop at full capacity a lot for a year, and then saying it's like new. Less lifespan.

[untold sinew]

Yeah the refurbished go out quick as hell

What worries me about the next lite is that it might suffer from having too many cores on a device that wants to use as little power as possible

[manic siren]

This is using the same chip as the $300 base Next Lite. And the Next Lite has much better RAM. And the emulators are 2.5 years more developed now.

So performance will be much better than this.

https://youtu.be/xuEeOfFOIdg?si=HWN84o_oDRliSb2J&t=489

PC gaming is also pretty sweet. Remember, the $300 base here is basically the most powerful AMD handheld from 2021, with better RAM added. It can do stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3JBmIiuJwU&t=536s

[untold sinew]

Isn't the 4500U sku only for 100 units

Heard smth like that

[eager crypt]

Arthur could take a picture of his morning bowel movement and they'd be hyped to smell it over there.

[untold sinew]

Mix of laughter and utter disgust from me

[manic siren]

It'll be interesting to see how it fares for sure. We'll see.

[flint kayak]

[manic siren]

Uhh, I hope not! News to me if true 😄

[manic siren]

Yeah, it's like getting stuff off ebay. You might get one that's barely used and win the lottery, or.....you might not....

[flint kayak]

tbh imma just wait for steamdeck 2

[untold sinew]

I hope I'm wrong

Because that means international market won't get it

At least unlikely to

[manic siren]

Could be a few years. But that'll be the one that can do all of Switch and most of PS3/Xbox/360, so should be a good'un.

[untold sinew]

Can't wait for ps3/Xbox 360 to come to the odin 2 /s

Most likely never getting a direct port, too little interest

..not that people wouldn't love to run ps3 on their android, more that 90% of the market won't even be able to run it

[manic siren]

That's fine.

It just means the first 100 people will get the $350 version for $299.

Which is sort of ok. I imagine most will swap out the internal storage for a 1tb/2tb/4tb SSD anyhow 😄 (the only difference between those two is the storage)

[manic siren]

I dunno, the RP4 pro is probably powerful enough to run light PS3/xbox/360 with a well optimised emulator, and the Odin 2/pocket S will do more.

Just guessing, as those emulators can be different when transferring from X86 to ARM, but that's if you match x86 performance on Dolphin etc to the ARM counterpart.

Which is a redundant point with regard to those handhelds, as none of them will still be in mass use by the time a well optimised PS3/XBOX/360 emulator hits ARM.

[untold sinew]

Odin 2 prob would due to it waiting for emus to catch up right now

[buoyant geode]

wait 4500U? why in 2024?

meant to reply one above

[flint kayak]

because they had to do something with their parts bin stuff

[agile crown]

because its cheaper they havent even sold a 4500u device in well over a year.

nor was one on the website

[manic siren]

Because in 2021 you paid twice the amount of a base Steam Deck with worse RAM for it, and now you pay 2/3rds of the price of a base steam deck (with better RAM) for it (in the uk).

Not every X86 needs to be expensive. $300 isn't exactly "cheap" in most scenarios.

[buoyant geode]

pricing seems really high at $299 for something like this

[manic siren]

Factor in shipping, and it's pretty much the same price as a Loki Zero, but a lot more powerful.

But if you know of an equivelant handheld for cheaper, let me know, and I'll probably buy it 😄

[untold sinew]

Worse ram?

[agile crown]

for a small company I am not sure this seems relatively fine priced imo. loki zero with 8gb is $250 rn with 3050e

[untold sinew]

Isnt the deck LPDDR5 clocked at 5600MHZ

Next lite is lpddr4x at like 4888

[eager crypt]

I'm not grabbing this, but nice to see a $300 price point although the rest of it is no thanks. Still a better buy than the Lokis in this price point I guess.

[flint kayak]

i mean the 3050e is worse but yea....

[flint kayak]

this tbh

[manic siren]

I mean compared to the Ayaneo handheld that had this chip, sorry, I wasn't clear, typing fast 😄

[flint kayak]

i mean i wouldnt buy either of them

[untold sinew]

Ah my bad lmao

[flint kayak]

i think the big thing

[manic siren]

Have you seen the video's of the triggers on the Loki's? Barely functional 😞

[flint kayak]

ive at least read up on the ayaneo 2021 battery life

[untold sinew]

Big thing isn't coming from manufacturers

It'll be coming from amd

[eager crypt]

I had two, I didn't mind them to be honest

[flint kayak]

because this and the 2021 use the same size battery

[untold sinew]

A new low wattage cpu with good igpu would be nice

Smth like a new 3050e

[flint kayak]

and the battery life looks terrible

[untold sinew]

This isn't getting loki or deck battery life

[manic siren]

@agile crown have you got your Loki trigger video to hand?

[untold sinew]

Also, 800p "True Color", Aya just give us the damn coverage

[flint kayak]

like....seeing 45-2 hour battery life

[untold sinew]

Always irks me when manufacturers don't just give the sRGB/P3 coverage

[agile crown]

do u l2 and r2

XD

[untold sinew]

45h?

[eager crypt]

Min

[flint kayak]

45 min

[untold sinew]

Oh.

[manic siren]

Could be, we'll see. Lots of factors for battery life.

To be honest, x86 battery life outside of SD OLED is not exactly a good time anywhere 😄

[flint kayak]

like really depends on how you hit it

[untold sinew]

Bruh that's how much battery life I get on deck with a massive overclock

[untold sinew]

Shit is guzzling 40W

[eager crypt]

Definitely not the oled, oled has awesome battery

[agile crown]

@manic siren 👍

[flint kayak]

At 15TDP and medium brightness I get around 70-80 minutes of gaming

[untold sinew]

Can't OC the oled so yeah the lcd

My deck was a big silicon lottery winner

Could undervolt just fine, could oc cpu, gpu and ram just fine

[manic siren]

Thanks.

@eager crypt you triggers as good as this from Panda 😄

[flint kayak]

either way battery life reports from the 2021 seem.....abymsal lol

[eager crypt]

Oh, no clue, I don't have my Lokis anymore lol

[flint kayak]

i get it that x86 is bad overall

but man

[agile crown]

I have two units its across the board the ayn discord has complained about it for awhile

it sucks hope they fix it

its a 75% trigger deadzone for those not sure what that is

[dry olive]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-kitten-excited-dance-gif-21122674

[untold sinew]

Also tbf I wasn't doing normal usage, I was pushing the system to its limit lmao

It was running at 97C

[eager crypt]

Anti-Russ

[flint kayak]

On my 2021 Pro, I play mostly at 11W TDP, with brightness very low and networking turned off, and I get 2-2.5h active gameplay (Elden Ring, for reference - but should translate to any game that respects TDP settings)

.....i actually wonder how elden ring works on a 4800u lol

[manic siren]

To be honest my main interest for this is Wii U/PS2 games that run bad on Android. So I'm not going to really be pushing it a lot of the time. Not that I am ever really playing away from a plug for long anyway (commute on train with plugs/at home)

[dry olive]

Lol.

[flint kayak]

oh hey

[untold sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/485138525885431808/1191100457691656282/Decky-Recorder-30.0s-2023-04-13_16-48-56.mp4

[lean crest]

14 fps lol

[flint kayak]

ayaneo 4800u video

yea

just saw

[agile crown]

I have no idea I played indies on my 2021

[flint kayak]

was about to say shows 15fps

[agile crown]

I did manage to get gow to lock 30 fps on 4500u

[untold sinew]

Damn, didn't the loki mini pro (RIP) do better

The i3 one

[flint kayak]

it does seem to run though

[agile crown]

different resolution

[flint kayak]

just youll get spikes

[manic siren]

Elden Ring was released pretty close to when the old Ayaneo handheld came out, when it was top of the line with that chip. Should work ok, particularly in this new version with better RAM 🤷‍♂️

[buoyant geode]

got that oot framerate

[untold sinew]

Was the og neo 1080p lmao

[agile crown]

it was 800 I think Idk takis video was like 25w 540p on the i3

[untold sinew]

Ah I see this is 20W

[agile crown]

I dont have elden to check on my 2021 tbh but the 4500u outperforms my 16gb 1215u in re2r and gow. elden ring might be so cpu bound it prefers 1215u

[manic siren]

35fps-45fps, (but 20w TDP) on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA_UewRxs8s

[flint kayak]

I wonder if that's because of the higher base freq

Compared to the 4800u

[agile crown]

I have never owned a 4800u

[manic siren]

Either way, it's not a Steam Deck killer, but it seems to do nice stuff. And for $300, nice stuff is good.

Team affordable X86 gaming 😄

[haughty lagoon]

again. preventing a monopoly is a -good- thing. Even if it's not beating the steam deck, its stealing some of the crowd from it.

[buoyant geode]

that's honestly pretty good

lock it to 30 and you have a console ish experience

ps4 anyway

[manic siren]

Steam Decks dominated the $400-$600 market for 2 years, and it's still really good for that price now. It's nice we are finally getting stuff that can undercut it and not be awful.

[manic siren]

Probably a better time at 30fps with a lower TDP anyway, unless it's docked 😄

[lean crest]

The 4800u example was 11 watt tdp wasn’t it?

4800u I think would outperform the deck at uncapped tdp, it’s a much higher wattage chip that cpu wise is roughly on par with a 5700u in terms of raw output, and the 5700u is basically a deck apu with twice the cores

[peak quiver]

I would have preferred these guts in the pocket air case and OLED screen

[manic siren]

Pretty much a re-release of the original Air then. I doubt they'd get that down to $300

[peak quiver]

Probably not what about this Loki for $315

https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_mPBhYzm

[manic siren]

Ali express deals are all over the place (who knows where those things turn up from), but the Loki launched for about $500 6 months ago, so I doubt it would have reduced by much if Ayn were still doing it.

[stray reef]

Don't forget haters. Valve can afford to take losses on the steam deck. Not every other manufacturer can so they probably had to use this to produce a cheaper x86.

[flint kayak]

isnt that more than what it sells for on the actual site?

yea on the actual site its $250

[peak quiver]

But this one has the one terabyte card with the games already installed

[flint kayak]

not for $315

$315 is 8G/128G no games or card

the 1tb card and games is $419

and tbh not worth it

rather get $250 and then get a good known sd card and currate my games

[peak quiver]

Oh you're right then. Stupid fake numbers

[haughty lagoon]

or a 512gb microflash and just keep your nondrm game folders, roms, and steam/gog catelogue there

[flint kayak]

Actually now that I think about it doesn't the zero take ssds

Yea

Same 2230 as steam deck

[vale flint]

Definitely not… there are plenty of good aya devices if you are willing to pay the premium

[manic siren]

Ohhh, that listing is for the Loki zero. I thought it was the og Loki. Makes more sense why it's so cheap.

No where near as powerful as this. Win600 power. And barely functional triggers 😄

[manic siren]

I'll die on the hill which says the Pocket Air and Air and Geek lines are good and don't have a premium 😄

If you get the right sku....

And understand Aya support is not valve support.

The bad support is not as big a deal for the next lite I guess.

Buying a $1000 device from Aya, tk have it break and be without it for months as it gets repaired, is a bad time.

Cheaper stuff like this, less of an outlay less of a risk.

[vale flint]

Yepp, that is true - support is a common issue of all CN companies I would say

And of course it hurts more if it is a premium price. That being said, there are a couple of resellers that offer direct warranty

[manic siren]

Oh for sure, it's not just Ayaneo 😄

Droix and whatever are good, but you do pay a premium for their support. Which is fine, if you feel the bump in price is worth it.

[vale flint]

Exactly - so far I was lucky with buying it directly. One exception being my disadventures with the 405m. One day I will write a book about that 😉

I am waiting for the aya customised holoiso, hoping it can be used and will work well with the other ayas

[manic siren]

I....am deeply meh about the optimised holoiso thing to be honest. It might be good, or it might be just something Ayaneo did to get some headlines about SteamOS working on a non-value handheld.

Either way, there's options. Windows drivers ready if you want windows, or just use chimera or something.

I hope they send the JELOS team a unit. That would be amazing.

[stray reef]

SteamOS isn't really setup yet for other handhelds, hence the community versions. They said they want to make it device agnostic but that's not the highest priority right now.

[haughty lagoon]

You'd honestly be better off installing Ubuntu, wine/winetricks, A custom mesa build, the newest proton-ge, and then making a boot script that drops you into big screen mode. That way, whatever doesn't work in steam, you can find the gog/humble version or crack the Game's steam folder to work in the wine prefix instead, then link that to your library

[manic siren]

Lots of options here. That, windows, various linux builds, holoiso, chimera, Nobara.....

[haughty lagoon]

Hannah Montana linux

[manic siren]

Oh, the memes of that thing

[stray reef]

Kirby for sure but the majority won't be able to set it up that way.

SteamOS on my toaster and then I know I've lived life.

[dry olive]

"toaster, make toast!" "please wait. building shader cache.."

[stray reef]

Lol with the steam logo on it

I need TF2 sound effects as well

[brazen steeple]

Anti cheat butter

[vernal jackal]

Wait, this thing doesn't have an SD card slot?

$299 price limited to 100 early birds, that makes it significantly worse

[spark heath]

Oooooooof

[grizzled moat]

That is 🐂 💩
Lol

[untold sinew]

WAIT YOU'RE RIGHT

IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE LMAO

[gentle coral]

this was discussed a couple of days ago and this video of another system was sent

[haughty lagoon]

You could always just get 1 or 2 of these

I keep all of my win600/win1 emulation and nondrm stuff on flash drives

[agile crown]

From my understanding the limited 299 is just for 512gb and the 128gb will be 299 unlimited

[haughty lagoon]

it's such a liminal device. not the best, but not awful either.

[spare shell]

Any news on the international launch?

[agile crown]

Other than end of this month no

[bold vine]

Well, for me the 300$ version, after vat and shipping, its still cheaper than a new SteamDeck Lcd. But i dont know...

[manic siren]

The first 100 get 512gb memory for $300. The rest get 128gb memory for $300. It will always be $300 for the cheapest model.

[manic siren]

Neither did the original Next. SSD is cheaper anyway.

It's better to have the option than not, but it's not like not having a functional SD card slot stopped the Ally.

[manic siren]

Best for its price range by a mile though. With shipping taken into account, it's more or less the same price as a Loki Zero, but way more powerful.

[manic siren]

Preorder by end of the month, shipping before mid Feb.

[bold vine]

I wonder if gpd and the others will do anything similar.

[agile crown]

Maybe that’s the hope more budget devices plz

[bold vine]

Bring back the win600 form factor!!!

[agile crown]

Win701

[manic siren]

Hopefully.

I really want a cheaper x86 scene. No reason to gatekeep to steam deck and above prices.

[bold vine]

I think Gpd will do a 400$ for the lowest, but that will be just the presale/indiegogo price, the retail will be 500$ for the lowest. probably.

[manic siren]

Depends if they want to go head to head with the Steam Deck or not.

I suspect if they did, want to go cheaper than they usually do, they'd do the same thing Ayaneo are doing. Go more expensive, go less expensive, but leave a Steam Deck shaped hole in the price points.

[manic siren]

That does require people to get over the just spend more money and get a steam deck thing though 😄

[vernal jackal]

No SD card slot is never acceptable, although less egregious on devices with 512 GB or more. On something with 128 GB though it's not cool at all, not everyone wants to open their devices

[manic siren]

Even if you don't get earlybird, you can still get the base model with 512gb for $50 more if you don't want to open the device. $50 is about what you'd spend on 512gb SSD anyhow.

And if you do want to open up, the $300 is a nice option. Even if I get the earlybird with extra memory, I'm taking it out and putting more in. Cheaper than SD cards anyhow, and this is built in a way that swapping SSD's is really easy.

I certainly wouldn't recommend the base with 128gb if you don't want to open it up. Unless you have a really specific use case for it (streaming, or just not wanting many games on there, or just lots of rold games I guess). It's more for people that are going to put a 1/2/4/8TB SSD in there anyway, so shipping with the smallest SSD will be a better deal.

[bold vine]

Needed to cut cost/+space i guess. And maybe the case was cheaper to manufacture without that 1 sd card "hole".

[manic siren]

It's based on the original Next, and that didn't have an SD card slot either, none of the early Ayaneo devices did.

It's not like these are left over shells though, they have changed the case to include extra USB ports and things. Along with the new wifi 6/bluetooth and presumably changed motherboard to fit the different parts on.

People keep saying it's just leftover parts put together, but it's not true (I know you are not saying that) 😄

A roadmap was leaked a while ago, and it showed this device being planned for a while.

[bold vine]

Maybe they will make an "AYANEO Next Lite Pro" from the leftovers from this + they make new parts, with 5000 series apu's 💀.

[bold vine]

Oh, so maybe some parts/+designs were already done and there was no space for the sd card reader, which is understandable.

[manic siren]

I think they just designed it not to have one to be honest. They added holes for new USB, along with other new internal parts. If they wanted to add an SD card reader as well they could have.

Maybe they just thought it was a cost they didn't need to add, that a lot of people won't use anyway 🤷‍♂️

[agile crown]

In this price bracket it’s not unheard of tbh win600 didn’t have it. Having 2280 support that’s relatively easy to get to is more important.

If your worried about opening up the device u have 3 usb ports to mess with

Along with that an sd card is about the cost difference between 128 to 512gb anyways

[manic siren]

Aye, good point.

[manic siren]

Just to elaborate, as some may not have got what you were referring to....

You can use USB storage as well as changing internal SSD's, like you see Russ do when he is using batocera on devices. Always the option to use a USB stick with built in memory, or just a normal USB SD card reader.

Easier just to change the SSD in the long run, but it's an option.

[fleet hamlet]

afaiu the mobo's are recycled from the original next, and the original next didn't have an sd card.

[manic siren]

By mobo do you mean motherboard?

They've changed the chip, added an extra USB port, added a new wifi 6/bluetooth 5.2 and probably other stuff. I'm not sure they could use the same motherboard.

I doubt they've just had next motherboards hanging around for a few years without selling or using them anyway.

[fleet hamlet]

that's what I heard in aya's discord. i guess the apus are compatible

[manic siren]

In the Next Lite channel of the Aya discord? Because people in there seem to think it's unlikely.

Not that anyone knows either way. Or it particularly matters. Most of the stuff people buy on the RH discord are made of reused parts 😄

But it just doesn't make much sense. If you had Ayaneo/Next units you wanted to sell, you would have started to discount them to sell them a few years ago. Not waiting for a few years while they lose value, stored them away paying for storage etc, only to get them out a few years later and put them together in a different way when they are worth a lot less.

[untold sinew]

Fairly sure they are discounted no?

[manic siren]

I assume they did go on sale, yeah. I just mean that if your aim was to get rid of something, you'd just put it on sale and keep reducing price until you got rid.

Storing it for years and selling later is just going to add storage costs and ultimately sell for much less.

The AYANEO/Pro/Lite handhelds started at $800, and had SKU's that went up to $2k I think. Pretty sure if they went on sale a year later they could have got more than the $300 they are asking for the chip/build now.

[untold sinew]

looking at the eta video about it

starts off well, he's not even reviewing an available SKU

oh it's the original next

missed that part

[manic siren]

Uhh, yeah. Like most people here I am not a big fan of ETA. And this video was really odd.

It's when he states at the start the thing he is using has a different chip in it (OG Next), but still goes into FPS and different TDP....I mean, why?

It's bizarre.

Nice to see coverage, but it's super misleading.

https://tenor.com/view/bizarre-howbizarre-gif-5321393

[unkempt violet]

Drink every time he says not too bad.

[manic siren]

You need a drink when you watch ETA anyway.

[zealous raven]

…or when he says “BEAST”

[vale flint]

Etaaaaaaaaaa… I am really struggling to understand what his audience is. The only thing you get out of his videos is that a product exists…

Regarding the missing sd card slot, not ideal, but as indicated an usb stick will do the trick

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-MUF-128AB-AM-Plus-128GB/dp/B07D7PDLXC/ref=mp_s_a_1_17?crid=2HHQGWB39A99N&keywords=slim+usb+stick&qid=1705341803&sprefix=slim+usb+stick%2Caps%2C224&sr=8-17

[manic siren]

If all you care about is seeing gameplay footage and some vague amount of specs....

Not that I'd trust he's not just cherry picking the footage to show what works well.

He's a showcase/hype man, not a reviewer.

[vale flint]

Not sure if the tiny ones come in larger sizes

Or this:

https://www.amazon.com/ZIYUETEK-Reader-Aluminum-Portable-Adapter/dp/B07ZSFYVXW/ref=mp_s_a_1_15_sspa?crid=IMM0ZG1KGRP9&keywords=micro+sd+card+stick&qid=1705341952&sprefix=micro+sd+card+stick%2Caps%2C207&sr=8-15-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRmX25leHQ&psc=1

[manic siren]

Or, if you want SD cards and up to 1.5tb (soon 2tb).

https://thepihut.com/products/mini-usb-2-0-microsd-card-reader

^I have only just noticed this exists.

You would need a USB A to USB C adapter though, so it's not quite as flush as it looks.

And just changing the SSD would be a better plan 😄

[dry olive]

Looks like next lite is easy to get into. There are exposed screwholes on the device. So doing a upgrade on the SSD should be possible. and 2280 SSD is cheaper and better than having a sd card reader. I have 4tb ssd in my win4 and I never use the sd card reader on the win4.

[vale flint]

Yeah, I was also just looking at the pics to figure out if it has the very user unfriendly “entry points” of some other aya devices

[manic siren]

Oh, I completely agree. I posted a video a while back showing someone do it, and it took 2 minutes from having the case open to getting ready to screw the case back on.

Makes this feel like a nice "starter" device for someone learning this stuff.

[dry olive]

same shell as the next

[vale flint]

Most def… the last one (not counting the deck, which was also a backplate replacement) I did was the rog ally, 5min of work + the time to clone the ssd

Not too ugly this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Keychain-Leizhan-Adapter-Compatible-Windows/dp/B09L4NDV4T/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=2I54X2NFFRKLT&keywords=usb-c%2Bmicro%2Bsd%2Bcard%2Breader&qid=1705343037&sprefix=usb-c%2Bmicr%2Caps%2C224&sr=8-3&th=1&psc=1

Including “blue light” 😂

[manic siren]

Blue light sounds like a feature in itself 😄

[spark heath]

ETA has done some shady shit but passing off that video as the actual Next Lite was next level bullshit

[untold sinew]

even then he gets some info wrong and it's just "dude come onnn"

gets the CPU wrong on some occasions, 4700U instead of the 4800U

[manic siren]

Yeah, he says it's a different model at the start. But he knows people will scrub through and not watch all of it. And he treats the handheld like it's the right one for the rest of the video. He knows what he's doing.

He even offers to test games at the end

[untold sinew]

people will absolutely skip to the games section

and think he got an eng sample with a 5825U

[manic siren]

I rarely watch ETA. And when I do I remember why that is.

[untold sinew]

same lol

[spark heath]

Here let me review this RP3+, and make the thumbnail imply it's the RP4Pro

[untold sinew]

I'm still puzzled lmao

dude actually went and tested games on a CPU that performs better than what the 4800U will do (5825U boosts higher)

[vale flint]

Another gadget that could be modded… almost the price of a data frog and soooooo many possibilities: tape the led, change the led to a lighter one, color mod, stickers….

[haughty lagoon]

looks like a good handheld by that etaprime video. It just might not be on everyone's radar. Ticks comfort, performance, can stay up for a little over 2 hours at 15-17w.

I think whether or not it beats the claw or the ally or the deck or the gpd win4 or whatever is just a secondary argument of taste.

[manic siren]

To be honest, it's competing more with the Loki Zero and Win 600 than those 😄

[haughty lagoon]

well. hrm. loki zero, win 2, and win600 are all their own sort of lowtech gaming brigade

[manic siren]

Pretty much the same price as this though.

[haughty lagoon]

i think if you want lowtech, and you don't have either of those three, the Next Lite should be your choice, sure.

[manic siren]

Win600 is more expensive 😄

[haughty lagoon]

i got mine for 240, back when 3020e's were actually buyable

[manic siren]

Kei and Fewt have been alerted to it's existence. Neither have committed to working on it, but who knows.

We could RG35XX this thing. Get some mods and JELOS on it, and just get the community to will it into being great.

[haughty lagoon]

The neat thing about the 3020e is the two 1mb L2 caches aren't split in half to cover 2 more threads, so singlethreading goes through the roof.

[haughty lagoon]

So no jelos comfirmation

I personally want to see yuzu performance before I consider it

right now I keep my switch gameplay locked to laptop only

[manic siren]

Fair. Yuzu was pretty young the first time around for this chip. Should be much better now.

Steam Deck can't do TOTK at 30FPS locked, so this won't either 😄

As for JELOS, it's on similar stuff, so it wouldn't be a difficult task to get it on here. Fewt said he'd support the device if Ayaneo send him one, so we'll see if they can work something out.

Theoretically, if Ayaneo were going to send him anything to work with, it would be this. Cheapest unit to give away for Ayaneo.

[haughty lagoon]

A switch at msrp modded or unmodded is still 299, and this device has just the right specs to play it and vita pretty well, so I'm not mad about that. Just gotta see if it can deliver

https://youtu.be/uwDGj_tWY7g?si=xsCQeB1OuztnP9IX

[manic siren]

My Pocket Air runs Vita Gravity Rush upscaled as much as I want. This will do Vita fine, I guarantee (well, as much as the emulator does anyway) 😄

Switch...It'll do most I imagine. Not the hardest stuff.

[manic siren]

Wii U it'll do all of it 😄 That's even using CEMU from 2.5 years ago....

To get full Switch you really need a 7840u to be honest. This ain't that 😄

[untold sinew]

tbf CEMU doesn't improve that much

it's already very mature

[manic siren]

I dunno, there's been a fair few updates since May 2021 🙂

https://cemu.info/changelog.html

But I take your point, it's not improved as much in the last 2.5 years as some emulators, as it was mostly done already.

Crazy to think Wii U has been basically finished for 1.5 years, and there's still no sign of an Android version 😄

[untold sinew]

actually there might have been an update that set tri-core by default and that did improve stuff for people that were having issues

now idk which version it was lol

that was the best thing they added

can just pack games together

[plush dagger]

nice!

[haughty lagoon]

So its agreed then. This is a vita/Wii-u device with wiggle room for switch stuff like pizza possum, thirsty suitors, and xel.

I bet it can handle the hard Xbox titles too like midtown madness 3 and unreal championship 1&2. Still out to pasture how much of Xbox 360 it can handle. This applies only to exclusives. X86 windows ports generally run a million times better

[flint kayak]

I do wonder what tdp this is at

[manic siren]

It's not bad for Switch and PS3. Won't do the hardest games, but a lot of them.

Xbox/360 are more difficult to work out, as when this chip was out, those emulators were really new. So no idea how it does now. But if it could do a lot of PS3 2.5 years ago, it "should" be good for a lot of those as well.

And yeah, obviously PC games will run better, this was one of the best chips around 3 years ago, and 360 games on the PC would be at least 10 years old now 😄 It's like a 7840u running a game from 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEeOfFOIdg&t=494s

It's not even that bad at low TDP to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3JBmIiuJwU&t=513s

Usual caveat, these videos are using emulators from 2.5 years ago, so will be better now.

[manic siren]

BotW on Wii U probably will be pushing this console a lot to run well, yeah.

[flint kayak]

I just worry about battery life

Considering the numbers for the 2021 and that it's using the same chip/battery

[manic siren]

The battery on this is almost 20% bigger than the Rog Ally's.

I mean, it's X86. It won't be Steam Deck OLED but there's no particular reason why it won't be average for the space.

And average at $300 is pretty good.

[haughty lagoon]

Compared to every other 300usd item, it looks pretty good. Its a very colorful category

I'd say Ayaneo pocket air /gpd xp plus have an advantage on battery and emulation, and lose out in android due to bluestacks being really well-optimized

[manic siren]

It'll likely go back and forth a bit. This might be a bit worse in PS2 (other than the PS2 games Aethers doesn't run well), and a bit better on GC/Wii.

Obviously it'll be better in Wii U/Switch/PS3/Xbox/360

[haughty lagoon]

Yeah. The android options are better for 6th gen and lower

[manic siren]

Still feels so backwards we have Switch on android, but not Xbox.

Emulation loves Nintendo. Even if Nintendo doesn't love it back

[untold sinew]

Interest ™️

[haughty lagoon]

Well. Xbox doesn't run on arm hardware like most consoles, so its easier to translate x86 to x86. Arm can barely translate old x86 games, let alone emulation of proprietary ones

[manic siren]

Yeah. I get that there are technical reasons.

But xbox was around when I was a teenager, Switch is still around now, and it just FEELS backwards 😄

[haughty lagoon]

So @lethal bramble probably has a nice list to test out from this conversation. Definitely see if unreal championship and mm3 runs in xemu. Blinx the time sweeper if you need cute.

[manic siren]

In a way, this is a new chip for Youtubers. Half of them were not around 2.5 years ago, and even for the ones that were, most of the emulators will have changed enough that you won't really know the results until testing 😄

[flint peak]

With all these devices coming up around $300+, wouldnt be better if you get a SD? unless you want to collect

[unkempt violet]

I wonder what rams they are using?

[vernal jackal]

There's a reason why ETA doesn't show his face or interact with his community at all, there's a reason why the RH guys didn't invite him to come talk despite all being at CES. He is as fake as they come.

I stay subscribed to him but I never watch any of his videos, it's useful sometimes to just look at my feed and his thumbnail and know that a product exists. That's the most usefulness you'll get out of him

[flint kayak]

Hmm thought that would spoiler mark the image but nvm lol

[haughty lagoon]

Size, style, ergonomics, availability, anti monopoly ethics, etc.

[flint kayak]

For me it was size and battery life

Wanted something bigger than RP3+ but smaller than SD which is why I went Odin2

[haughty lagoon]

that was why I got the win600. Wanted something as strong as my favorite laptop but the size of an original switch

[agile crown]

It’s 4266 speed it’s on the specs part of the announcement page

[unkempt violet]

Thanks. Might get the 4800u.

[haughty lagoon]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/4500U-vs-4800U_11687_11681.247596.0.html
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Vega-8-vs-Vega-6-vs-Vega-3_8144_10311_8468.247598.0.html

Ya know.... i'd be half tempted to go into the cmos and turn off cores 5 and 6 on the 4500u just to have four really strong single threads that pull 33% less power.

[dry olive]

Nope. You just waste your money with steam deck.

[haughty lagoon]

the hard truth of vega 6 vs. vega 8 in actual gameplay due to how the gpu's are clocked

[dry olive]

If you had a choice, I would skip 4500u and just get the 4800u. For more performance.

[haughty lagoon]

on the cpu end, yeah, even if the gpu bottlenecks

[dry olive]

Just bs. 4500u is just weaker

[haughty lagoon]

It's like the t618 vs. the s922x all over again. one has a better cpu, one has a better gpu. the spread of games that need one or the other more is unpredictable

[dry olive]

Just go back to when there were ayaneo 2021 and ayaneo pro devices out. Ayaneo pro was just better overall. People were switching to 4800u.

[dry olive]

Nope. 4800u has better cpu and gpu. Just wrong assumption on your part

4500u is just the weaker component

[haughty lagoon]

i wonder what case study did notebookcheck use to get their numbers. maybe they locked the cpu clocks to the same value or something. aka something end users would never do

[dry olive]

I owned the ayaneo 4500u device. Firsthand experience is a better gauge then some arbitrary benchmark on notebookcheck. They has not been known to be that accurate.

[haughty lagoon]

oh you went from the 4500 to a 4800u unit?

[dry olive]

Pretty close, ayaneo 4500u to oxp 5700u which is just a remarked 4800u.

[haughty lagoon]

ahhhh

[flint peak]

LMAO I dont think SD owners think spending money on SD is wasted. I personally dont own one, but it the best one out there I think

[dry olive]

Deck owners just want to collect devices.

[haughty lagoon]

the marketplace usually almost always has half a dozen on sale.

people get them because "steam deck = better" not understanding anything about linux gaming, and then resell them when the process gets frustrating.

[flint peak]

I mean its a learning curve for sure as most people is using windows.

I can't see the market place yet but if theres a Deck on sale, I would/might cop and I thiink that would be my end game

Do you own one Kirby?

[haughty lagoon]

my roommate owns one that he hasn't touched for weeks, so i play on it sometimes.

i use my Win1 more these days though, since it's a nice little pocket pc for gog, itch.io, and emulation gaming.

[manic siren]

It's the equivalent of $150 more for a steam deck in the UK.

It's like saying someone buying an RP2S should just get an RP4.

[manic siren]

If you are after 512gb memory anyway, the 4800 is only $50 more, so it's a valid option.

I think the appeal of the 4500u is more that it's $300, and that feels far enough away from base Steam Deck, and close to Loki zero price, to be in its own category.

But that's not to say the 4800 is a bad deal, particularly if you are after 512gbs and like the form factor.

[manic siren]

On market place/eBay there are endless amounts of steam decks, depending on what country you are in I guess.

Just bear in mind that second hand isn't the same as new. If the previous owner has used it a lot on high performance stuff for a year or two, it might be close to its end already. It's like pushing a laptop to its max constantly, they only last so long. And there is no way to tell.

So it's a gamble. Might be great, might not.

If it breaks, valve will fix, but you'll have to pay. Unless it's registered as stolen, then they won't fix.

And particularly on x86, there's never an end game. There's always a better thing coming that will do more PS3/360/Xbox and PC games. When those new chips come out in a year, the Steam Deck will start to feel old to a lot of people that just want the best. Even now it lags behind the Ally etc for high end stuff. The endless search for ToTK locked at 30fps...

Not saying the Steam Deck is bad, or second hand is bad, just laying out thoughts on it 😄

[brazen steeple]

I think as long as you’re unplugged (you know, like you do with a handheld), then deck matches or even outperforms any other x86 out there right now. At the non plugged in boost wattages it seems Ally and deck are within like 3-5 fps of each other

And it does that with like double the battery and a ui you can fully navigate without touching the screen

[manic siren]

I've seen the way Ally users talk about it. "I can even play this game unplugged" is seen as a novelty to them 😄

I do agree though. At lower TDP, it's great right now, and has aged well.

[vale flint]

If second hand is an option AND you want warranty, for the US folks, there are currently additional discount on the rog ally (both versions) as open box items

Depending on condition etc the non extreme starts at usd329

Which is not bad at all

[manic siren]

It's a good deal. Worth remembering that even with a warranty, it's not the same as new (they only have a certain amount of life in them), and it's still more of a gamble than new.

There's a reason why there is a big discount 🙂

It's nice that the US peeps have such good options, cheap Steam Decks/Ally's with warranty or second hand. Options at this price point are great.

Still some reasons to buy if you have those devices I guess.

Bigger/smaller than other options.

A back up device.

A streaming device (Wifi 6)

Battery better than Ally, screen better than LCD Steam Deck.

A device to give to kids you don't trust with something more expensive.

Something that can just be used as a device for a particular TV and mostly left there, but with the option to be portable

Nice colours/design.

The toothpaste blue is lovely.

You can justify anything if you try hard enough 😄

Also, Ayaneo just confirmed that shipping will be free on this device. So it's definitely about the same price as a Loki Zero, and cheaper than a Win 600, and much more powerful than either 🔥

https://tenor.com/view/summer-break-gif-6269967204638541467

[vale flint]

Yeah, compared to the two (new) alternatives you mentioned it is a no-brained

I also just found a reason to get an open box z1 and will then figure out what purpose it will serve 😅

Maybe I will even get one which does not have the sd card issue 😉

[manic siren]

As long as you don't mind the gamble (albeit with a warranty which helps), it's a good buy. Even if the controls fail or something, it's still a good mini PC at that price 🙂

In the UK, we can't even buy a non-extreme Ally. Second hand Ally on Ebay starts at £500 ($625). And that's without a warranty.

So we are in a very different scenario 😞

[manic siren]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-daphne-blake-this-just-gets-better-and-better-this-keeps-getting-better-gif-22150071

[dry olive]

https://tenor.com/view/crypto-buy-bullish-pamp-sell-gif-16502204

[peak quiver]

When will this go live for sale

[flint peak]

I see. I didn’t even considered the price differences depends on country.

Also, yes second hands is 50/50. But since I live in US, and SD LCD 64gb cost $350. That’s why I proposed a question if the Neo Lite is around $300, I would rather spend $50 more to get a steam deck. But again, my plan is to get the cheapest one, upgrade to 2TB, then I’m set

[manic siren]

Preorders before the end of the month, shipping before Chinese new year, so at or before mid Feb.

Basically, preorder, and you might get it within a month of now.

[manic siren]

Steam Deck is also a solid choice, nothing against it at all. If you are happy with the risk of second hand, it's a good option.

But yeah, Steam Deck has to be imported to a lot of countries, so when it goes on sale it costs more.

The UK isn't even an extreme example, as valve do sell it here, they just pay import tax when they do.

In countries where the Steam Deck is not sold, so they need to buy new ones through specialist importers, or forwarders, the difference will be bigger. And a lot of those markets are more price sensitive, where $$150, $200, whatever the difference ends up, means a lot.

A lot of the YouTubers are American, so they either don't realise that, or they are just speaking to an American audience.

Which is fine.

But it does mean non-usa pricing gets missed from discourse generally.

[manic siren]

Fewt has asked Ayaneo for a Next Lite for JELOS development. No idea if they will send him one, but he is interested in supporting this if they do.

Hopes and prayers everyone 🙏

[grizzled moat]

That would be awesome!

[young lake]

Does ayanneo have any customer support?

[manic siren]

Yeah.

But it's not Valve/asus level customer support. It's like GPD or whatever. If it needs to be fixed you need to ship it to China, or they send you a part to do yourself.

It's why I am interested in this device, but I wouldn't spend loads on a product from a company based on China. It's a hassle if something goes wrong.

[cloud robin]

Absolutely. That's the biggest issue I have with buying these more expensive devices from China. I really don't want to deal with custom service journey if things aren't right

[manic siren]

For sure. I am really hyped about the Next Lite, and think it could genuinely be the start of a nice cheaper, more accessible x86 scene.

But it would be remiss not to take customer service policy into account.

[manic siren]

FYI, ezerez found this.

It runs Crysis....REMASTERED 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-KttU7kC7Y

[vale flint]

I am curious to see the am02 they will introduce tomorrow… not a handheld and I just bought a mini pc, bit still curious to see what it offers and how they price it

[manic siren]

We know it's a 7840hs, which will be pretty similar to the usual 7840u performance. Think Ally in a little box.

Don't know RAM/memory or price yet, but we'll see. Probably a mixture of SKU's anyway.

Basically, it's the premium version of the AM01's.

But retro looking, and with a little screen to display logo's and stuff.

It's sort of the logical conclusion of handhelds going full circle. From gameboys that focused on battery life, to Ally's tethered to a power outlet, to....just having a 7840u for your monitor and accepting you were not leaving the house with it anyway 😄

And you can always just stream from it and pretend whatever handheld you have is like an Ally 😄

[haughty lagoon]

i'd rather a handheld be a handheld, tbh even if it takes 30-40hz gaming

[manic siren]

I don't disagree. But everyone is a unique snowflake, and if all you want to do is have a little screen you can shuffle around with in your house, and Ally works.

The Next Lite has Wifi 6, and a 7 inch screen.

It's a bit heavy and has x86 battery life (bigger than the Ally or LCD steam deck though).

But if you don't mind that....there are worse uses for it than as a streaming device 😄

It's £100 ($125) cheaper than the G cloud in the UK 😄

[cloud robin]

Going to come down to what aya neo define as "budget"

[manic siren]

I mean, the only x86 that's cheaper is the Loki Zero, and it's only just cheaper when you factor in shipping.

Almost the cheapest x86 handheld you can buy has to be "budget" for the type of thing it is.

[cloud robin]

Whst would be a reasonable price for this device, thst is going to have a 4500u or something

[manic siren]

Given it's almost the same price as the Loki Zero, which is the only cheaper handheld, but it's much more powerful, $300 seems very reasonable. You pay a lot more than that for a win600, which is also far weaker.

There isn't anything more powerful than it is until you pay Steam Deck money.

[untold sinew]

as much as I don't have any hopes for the next lite (aya neo doesn't have a great track record) the price v performance beats everything else like the loki zero or the win600

[floral cedar]

Hope it's not a once off product but a trend, maybe other brands will continue to introduce newer budget line as well.
Good to see more big brands coming in to pressure them to do something different other than the usual 7/8 inch high end product.

[agile crown]

Along with that would be awesome to see price cuts on existing handhelds imagine if the Loki zero drops to $199. Competition is a great thing and I agree I hope we see other handhelds in this price or lower

[manic siren]

$200 is a good price point. I think the thing with the Loki Zero/Next Lite is that they have the same build quality as the Loki Max and OG Next, I.e. devices that cost 3 times as much for the base model.

If you want to keep the premium built quality, to hit $200 maybe your chip would need to be a potato?

And it's tough for that sort of handheld to get going in a space where the 4500u is being referred to ancient. It's a chip that can do a lot of PS3/360 emulation!

I suspect to get to $200 you need cheaper build quality, less ports, worse screen, smaller battery, WiFi 5, etc, and probably a not great chip as well.

I'm not saying there isn't a market for that, but I suspect there would be a big drop off in the quality of the product overall to get to $200.

[manic siren]

And yes, I am aware I ended up more or less just describing the win600, but for almost half what it currently sells at 😄

[patent osprey]

if they could plop the odin 2 controls on the loki zero and that saved some money, that would be great

[manic siren]

For sure. There are corners that can be cut with these things. And if it brings the price down, that's not bad per se.

It just depends on people understanding that $200 will be well below the quality normally offered.

You'd probably be looking at win600 build quality, and the chip of the AM01 MINI pc, the 3200U or something. The sort of chip that tops out at DC/PSP emulation, and won't run much released in the last half a decade.

And if it's that....all you are really getting is a handheld for older PC games, it won't even do a of modern indies.

As emulation wise.....the 3200u probably has a similar performance to the RP3 or something. And with a lot worse battery life.

[patent osprey]

oh, i was just thinking of shaving 50 bucks off the loki zero really

for the most basic indies and stuff

[manic siren]

Unless I've missed something about the Odin 2, I don't think the controls are that much worse than the Loki Zero that they would save $50, are they?

[patent osprey]

iirc the loki zero has full sized sticks but they might not be hall

[agile crown]

They feel worse than Loki imo

The buttons are nicer on the Loki than Odin 2 but that’s a personally preference

[patent osprey]

but yeah in general the zero has the same shell and controls as the loki from what russ said so i guess they can save somewhere

if they could make the loki zero into the odin 2 shell that would be the dream

[agile crown]

Fix the trigger issues and I would be down for that

[patent osprey]

trigger issues?

[agile crown]

They have a 75%ish deadzone

Meaning practically digital triggers

[patent osprey]

oh god don't say that, i have an odin 2 on the way

[agile crown]

Odin 2 doesn’t have that issue at all just loki does

[manic siren]

He means the loki zero

[patent osprey]

ohhh, since i said put the loki into the odin 2 i thought you were talking about odin 2 controls

my bad

[agile crown]

Oh I misread u

I thought u meant o2 into a Loki shell

Sorry about that

[patent osprey]

oh yeah, i meant the opposite

[manic siren]

😆

[patent osprey]

honestly both would be cool

either a tiny x86, or a big ergonomic super powerful android

[agile crown]

Full size stick android will come true one day

[patent osprey]

hopefully for the odin 3

since they pretty much have the perfect handheld already

[manic siren]

It's an interesting idea if it could be pulled off.

Basically you end up with a handheld which has a worse build quality than normal x86, but still ok, and running PC games pre 2020, and diminishing returns past that, but enough to handle modern indies, ish.

Emulation wise, Fewt said with the latest JELOS the Loki Zero can actually do all of Wii U in a playable FPS, And Wii U is the first system you want emu wise on these really, as it's the first one ARM can't touch.

So, if it could be done, with JELOS on it, for $200, I think it could work. Assuming Ayn shipping costs, it would actually be $225.

I mean, it doesn't exist. So, whatever. But there might be a market for it.

Until then, Next Lite seems by far the best budget bet 😄

[patent osprey]

yeah, i'd really love to have something smaller that could play indies and old steam backlog without costing an arm and a leg

[manic siren]

Guy who does power tools (decky plug in that gives you control over power consumption, SMT and GPU) is getting and supporting the Next Lite.

Sounds like it'll work with all the OS 's that are not windows. He said -

Any Linux distro should work as long as the glibc version isn't too old (and if it is, it'll probably only need a freshly-compiled binary)

[untold sinew]

Tldr just don't use Ubuntu or debian stable lol

[haughty lagoon]

your best bet is the win2 then, if you can find one in good/rebuilt/refurbished condition

[patent osprey]

hmm i don't know that chip, what can it do?

[haughty lagoon]

tops off at wii-u, ps2, and 3ds. just research the Intel m3 7Y30, uhd 615, or win2. it's an old soc, so there's already a lot of info on it

[patent osprey]

not bad then, don't think those were popular over here though

[manic siren]

Cheapest win 2 on UK eBay is £300 ($375).

And it's got a broken hinge.

😦

[haughty lagoon]

i saw a 225usd one on us ebay. it might still be there

[manic siren]

To be fair, UK eBay is awful for handhelds generally 😦

[haughty lagoon]

lol broken hinge

people love to bend these things all the way back and snap the hinge

[manic siren]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125956760663?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338365712&toolid=20006&customid=EB176724689&

I will not be purchasing this.

[haughty lagoon]

yeah don't

since the hinge is part of the shell that couples the keyboard, -that- part is replaceable for like 25 usd. it's still a fair deal of surgery.

[manic siren]

I mean, win 2 is around the power of the Loki Zero, and it's more expensive than the Next Lite, and broken.

I am not really tempted 😄

[untold sinew]

that chip's battery life is great though

[haughty lagoon]

its one of those "why hasn't powkiddy cloned it yet?" handhelds.

[untold sinew]

after the x18s, I think they gave up

[haughty lagoon]

Jdewitz said if they even do x86, it will be with an n5000-series chip, but are afraid the community wouldn't back such a decision.

[manic siren]

It's amazing that they are on V3 of the X18S, and people still just prefer the RP Flip.

[dry olive]

CPU performance. It is close. but the 3050e has a much better igpu with vega 3.

[manic siren]

I'm not that technical, I just know they emulate more or less the same amount of stuff 😄

[dry olive]

win2 shell is a limitation. I would not stick a 3050e in that case. talk about hot hands. haha.

[haughty lagoon]

yeah that shell is built for 2-4watt socs

intel makes good cpu's but bottlenecks itself always at the gpu/bus end.

[manic siren]

3050e in the Ayaneo Flip case wouldn't be an awful idea. If you just wanted it as a DS/3DS dual screen machine anyway 😄

[dry olive]

I like that idea. if it brings the price down. it is worth it.

[manic siren]

I was genuinely disappointed there wasn't a worse chip option. Even a 6800u version would be significantly cheaper, and still be overkill for 3DS.

[untold sinew]

a 5600U version would have been great lol

or low intel

made no sense that they went 7840HS

[manic siren]

Yeah. Ayaneo plan out their handhelds way in advance. There was a plan of handhelds to release in order stretching over a year that got posted on their discord by accident (Next Lite was on it, it's been planned for a while).

The flip wasn't on it. So....I'm not sure what happened to there. Maybe it was a last minute decision to compete with the Win Mini, and they wanted to match it for power. Who knows.

I've got a bigger FPS than you energy is not unheard of in the China tech scene.

[manic siren]

The base will play Starfield! As long as you don't mind 15fps in demanding areas on low settings 💀

https://youtu.be/25ybzLagWLo?si=qTG1-OOC1Q-xpOxW

[manic siren]

Pretty impressive it runs at all on this to be honest. And hey, if you don't mind N64 frame rates..... 😄

[untold sinew]

20fps at the start

Bruh that's an easy area

[manic siren]

It's, uhh, yeah.

Starfield seems, unsurprisingly, beyond the Next Lite.

I was mostly just surprised it even ran 😄

[manic siren]

That said, this sort of framerate is how people (attempt to) play ToTK on the Steam Deck. So some people might find the compromised experience ok. I wouldn't particularly recommend it though.

[haughty lagoon]

you haven't seen Cyberpunk on the win2 then

if you can only afford one device, and it plays a game you like at 20fps, you just deal with it.

[manic siren]

True enough.

I grew up playing N64, where 20fps was the best case scenario, so it's not exactly a foreign concept to me. But I know most consider that sort of thing unplayable, so I didn't want to make it sound like I was suggesting it was a great experience.

[young lake]

These kids and their 120 fps.

20 was just fine!

[manic siren]

I played a lot of 4 player perfect dark.

20 was a dream.

10 was the best you could hope for.

Less if you used those mines that stuck to walls.

Slideshow.

[stray reef]

Perfect dark. Good times!

Those bots 🙂

[manic siren]

I found this mini pc review from Russ with the same spec as the $300 base.

And even using emulators from 8 months ago, it's looking good.

https://youtu.be/_eQp0MliVl4?si=98h-KlP0sEkpniDt

[dry olive]

4500u is not a bad chip if you are looing for indie and emulation. I would bump it up to 4800u if you are planning to play more PC game titles. Like Russ's video. FF7 remake plays better on 4800u vs 4500u.

[manic siren]

Sure, it's a better chip. Just about whether it's worth the extra money to you I guess.

I think most will go for the base, just due to the awesome value of a $300 x86 handheld. The comments on Russ's video are amazed a mini PC's can do that, and the Next Lite also has a battery, screen, controls etc to throw in 😄

But if the extra framerate is worth the extra money for whatever games you want, I am sure the 4800u will be great as well.

[young lake]

any idea on battery life? im assuming the usual 2-3 hours

[manic siren]

Depends on what you are playing. It's a bigger battery than the LCD Steam Deck and Rog Ally, so it probably won't be bad.

But it's also X86, so, it won't be like ARM handhelds...well, most ARM handhelds.

Depends on the settings etc, but, well, think better than this chart. Putting it sort of average for x86.

[fringe umbra]

oh man Windows on the steam deck, that's a huge battery life hit alone

[manic siren]

Yeah, I assume they put that on the graph just to make it more comparable.

But it's a good point. As I imagine most won't run windows on the Next Lite (although driver support will be there), that will also give it a battery boost.

[haughty lagoon]

windows is hurt by background bloat eating power/processing. batch processing being off, security/firewall/update always scanning, and unecessary startup apps/services will try to always consume 100% cpu.

the difference is super easy to see on the win1, where if you play, let's say, Liberty City Stories(ps2 assets romhack) in ppsspp; before debloat, you can barely scratch 15fps. after debloat, you can consistently hit 25-30fps. the footprint is lower on better devices due to more power being accessible, but it still constantly chugs battery/cpu resources

[manic siren]

Well, let's hope HoloIso with the Ayaneo additions is good.

Or if not, just chimera or something I guess 😄

[limpid beacon]

I don't know that linux on most of these x86 handhelds today represents much of a battery life difference other than pushing the lower end of the tdp for emulation.

[manic siren]

Low TDP can be quite interesting in any case, this is what the chip can do at 5W.

https://youtu.be/S3JBmIiuJwU?si=YLXe2GY9mOPgBDy2

[west blaze]

neatt

[manic siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194609575240933457/1199953316302569522/20240125_184533.jpg?ex=65c46a9c&is=65b1f59c&hm=52a219d58fbe634a7ae842cd44e0aa3bb49dd7246e57b30f800a1d8c25501fe5&

Looks like it's done a U turn. Now coming with windows, but will have the option of downloading HoloIso with Aya additions.

Which is fine, I guess. I can't feel particularly exercised about which OS it comes with, as I'll probably try a few anyhow.

I guess if it has to come with one, coming with the one you (sometimes) pay for is fine.

[unkempt violet]

When have they listened to their fans? Especially something this big. This feels like they can't get hololos working perfectly or they are trying to avoid supporting/maintaining their version of hololos. This feels like a copout. The novelty factor is gone.

[manic siren]

It'll still be available to download from the Ayaneo website. It just won't come pre-installed.

[unkempt violet]

I read that but will it be maintained by Ayaneo? Windows will be maintained by Microsoft. Are they gonna provide continued support for hololos?

I meant their version of hololos.

[manic siren]

Probably, maybe...as much as any of the Chinese sellers maintain their software.

It's a known Chip at this point, it's not like there will be much maintaining to do really.

[agile crown]

I guess if you were in it for the OS could be a bit of shame.

[manic siren]

If you were in it for the OS and don't know/don't want to learn how to change it, yeah.

[unkempt violet]

Windows is the easy way out. They aren't doing it for the fans but their own convenience. That is all I gotta say. PR talk sounds good tho

[stray reef]

The community would and will do way more for maintaining software then any of these companies will do generally. I see no difference.

[manic siren]

To be honest, if you don't know enough, and don't want to learn, how to change an OS, you are probably the sort of person that is more comfortable with windows anyhow.

Which is fine. Not everyone wants to spend hours learning stuff to play their games.

[haughty lagoon]

Install Chrome os on it. That's more Mrnice's speed

[untold sinew]

you're assuming they even touched holoISO

could very well be a vanilla iso

[unkempt violet]

What?

Pls don't get personal.

[unkempt violet]

Free work. Aite.

[manic siren]

They did say they had done stuff to it ...they just didn't say what it was 🙂

[untold sinew]

probably slapped some branding ™️