Anbernic RG35XX SP

[slim zinc]

But I'm not a collector, of handhelds at least. My knife collection on the other hand..... Is growing exponentially and I need help

[polar ivy]

[dry karma]

Anbernic will steath-drop stuff to the RH media crew with zero warning, so we might have one next week, we might get one in a month, who knows

but this time GoGameGeek is going to ship us the Miyoo Flip as soon as they get pre-sale stock, so hopefully we'll have some comparisons up

the good thing about the Anbernic one is that we already have at two or three good CFWs for the chip

which is a moot point if the Miyoo one ships with Onion already optimized for the unit

we'll see

[digital rock]

Yeah it should be good 'out of the box' thanks to the cfw already available

[fierce bone]

I mean, even MM+ took about six months to get a stable Onion release

[dry karma]

I dunno, MinUI on the Clambernic would be pretty good for me

no sticks means no real desire to use it for the cutting edge of what the chip can do

it'd be a super V90 at that point

the satisfying click factor will be important as well

[untold ibex]

ps1 is as far as i'd wanna go with a device of this size anyways

i have bigger things for bigger games

[dry karma]

I like the chipset for the other XX units because of their form factors and because you can consolize them really easily

[digital rock]

If I buy this it's purely for the novelty. I have no use for it but I'm a sucker for clamshells

[untold ibex]

depending on how good it is it may replace my MM+ for EDC sometimes

[dry karma]

the OG 35xx is my winter EDC because it fits nicely in my coat

give me the same general experience in a sturdy SP-clamshell?

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-id-like-my-money-back-carl-weathers-zoom-tobias-funke-gif-12418040

[untold ibex]

it's sturdy enough that whoever shot that white video felt like they could drop it on a table

[untold ibex]

my favorite lore about this is that Carl Weathers came up with the idea of him being cheap because he thought it was funny

he wouldn't do it otherwise

[dry karma]

amazing

[astral breach]

minUI or muOS and im a happy camper

[fast otter]

Finally the first teaser of the Anbernic Flip!!! The Logo is Sexy!!!

https://youtu.be/9gY-4xtTGlY?si=C7IHgegN3IeM9CN3

[lapis dome]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-slowpoke-glitter-sparkling-gif-9077674878617351176

[edgy gyro]

this is just the same videos posted in the pins.

[fast otter]

Can I see the pin then? I'm not usually on Billi Billi videos website. Many of us Muricans be watchin' Nittrx.

[untold ibex]

the video of the hinge on the blue one is new but all the others are there.

[fast otter]

Yeah 😅

[untold ibex]

and then repeated 17 times

[fast otter]

MuOS has Portmaster support! 😍

[untold ibex]

it's 1:21 of the same three videos repeated over and over

[astral breach]

oh don't worry i know :D

[edgy gyro]

kind of annoying as fuck

[fast otter]

No Analog Sticks!? Wahhh. 😭

[untold ibex]

get the miyoo

[fast otter]

I'm just excited.

[fast otter]

Yeah the Miyoo Flip probably wins.

[untold ibex]

i didn't say that

im just saying if you want sticks there's other options

although, as i've said before, the stick placement on the miyoo is questionable and I can't see that being any kind of comfortable

[astral breach]

i'm probably minUI pilled for pico 8 on a device of this size...

the new balatro port on portmaster has me interested in rgb30 though

[fast otter]

@untold ibex That's fair

@astral breach Yeah I wish I could get back to the Portmasters Community. I'm really struggling right now. 😥

[dry karma]

satisfying click sounds promising

[opaque sorrel]

If this can run portmaster it's ON

[edgy gyro]

portmaster games with a just a dpad? OK! you do you

[void spire]

I really don't fw the back-lit Star Trek-lookin logo BUT if/when Garlic drops on it I'm there lol

[edgy gyro]

Garlic has dropped for anything in forever. Did BS say he is working on it for this.

[astral breach]

yeah in my mind garlic is pretty much dead for all intents and purposes lol

until we get an update on garlic 2 i'm not even thinking abt it

its the ultimate 35xx og firmware... thats about it

[opaque sorrel]

All games I play in portmaster are dpad based.

[edgy gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-thumbs-up-oh-very-good-jim-carrey-approve-gif-12105667811816289168

[low saddle]

Yikes why did they put a light up logo on there?

[lapis dome]

https://tenor.com/view/led-shoes-shoes-gif-8613628

[plain storm]

Looks like the 35xx has a battery door, so (more) easily removable battery. Curious to see how much space is inside the bottom half of the shell, would love to mod in the biggest battery possible.

[edgy gyro]

All batteries are removable if you know what to do.

[lapis dome]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-gif-22561522

[edgy gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kung-fu-square-up-gif-4861781222289294416

[zealous glade]

People complaining about them removing the analog sticks but no one cares about the STARS button getting axed??

[slim zinc]

In my head the stars button, when playing resident evil 3 it just says in the Nemesis voice "STAAAAAARRRRRS" whenever you press it

And that's all it does

[amber valve]

Its about time!

[fast otter]

So you play Side-Scrollers with an Analog Stick!? 🤢

[fast otter]

Stars Button?

[fast otter]

There's only like 5 3D Portmaster games.

[lapis dome]

Twin sticks are great for doom, quake, etc too

Doom 2 mods alone could fill a handheld up quite nicely

[opaque sorrel]

two sticks are good for doom, but I can play doom with dpad just fine, specially considering it was originally designed for cursor keys.

[lapis dome]

Most mods these days assume M+KB

[candid bronze]

Inb4 it uses an sp battery

[fast otter]

Doom Mods are definitely cool but we're talking about Portmaster.

[unreal crater]

This device is going to be a huge success!!

[haughty prairie]

Not all portmaster is twin stick... I only play AM2R on portmaster

Let's be realistic everyone goes on about the games it could play with sticks and then load it up with games only to play the front end for twenty minutes/play the same five games on repeat/load up every game, say 'that's cool' and never play it again

I mean I'm guilty, I have high ideas for my handhelds and they end up playing Metroid randomizers

[fierce mason]

I am not guilty of that. However I am guilty of buying a device, beating shining force 1 and 2 on it, then never using it again.

One of these 3 clams coming will definitely be helping me with that.

[obtuse wraith]

3? This one, miyoo and flip2?

[fierce bone]

There‘s also that Szdier one

[vale geode]

flip 2 isn't confirmed though

and isn't even rumored

its just hoped for

[lapis dome]

https://tenor.com/view/anything-is-possible-chris-pratt-parks-and-rec-gif-10585493

[toxic tundra]

i am also hoping for a 556 flip 🙏

[vale geode]

ooo a 556 in the style of the rp flip would be awesome

throw some great sliders on there, maybe a 4:3 display if they're feeling a little different

[lapis dome]

I think a clam gets rid of any downside to a widescreen tbh

especially an oled

the black bars are actually black and not in between the screen and controls

[vale geode]

true, I'm just mentioning 4:3 because it makes the device not as long so it fits in a pocket better and we saw how much empty space a 16:9 flip gets with the rp flip

16:9 would be better for 3ds, or psp emulation tho

also way better for android games so they probably won't do it

[glad fulcrum]

a 3:2 flip 2 🤔

[lapis dome]

honestly I'd love if the flip 2 used a different screen than the old iphone one

especially with the RP4 screen issues

[glad fulcrum]

albeit that begs the question of what good screen does one use given how most of them have bullet wounds?

[lapis dome]

the 556 oled 👀

or honestly the same 720p 5" as the rgb10max3amateur

[slim zinc]

Amateur

[pliant ferry]

Bruh 556 flip would end the game once again

[crystal stone]

any device can be a flip/clamshell once

[fierce bone]

Very curious what spin-off device(s) Retroid will make this year

Don't know about Flip, widescreen clamshells look weird to me due to all that empty space

It's probably comfy, but all I see is "this should have been a second screen, but nope"

[cold flume]

RP4 screen issues?

[lapis dome]

The green tint that gets corrected via OS level software kludge (you can tell they didn’t actually fix it at the kernel level because it’s still green when the device first turns on) and fairly high levels of ghosting compared to other lcds

[fierce bone]

Still don't understand why that happened

I mean, they've been using these same screens for three other devices, why wasn't this a thing before?

[gloomy lichen]

I wonder if they ran out of their original supply of screens and found another assuming they were the same, only to run out of into the issues they had

[opaque sorrel]

RPFlip really had a good form factor.

Bottom might look empty, but that's room that could have been used for speakers to be placed above the buttons or something

and as empty as it looked, the reality is that when you are playing you are looking at the screen. So it just worked.

Second screens are kind of overrated. A second screen on the flip would really make the controls less comfortable. Also that's a real battery drain and source of heat.
And I know everyone wants *DS emulation but for most games having a touch screen and wide is enough :S

[lapis dome]

it might be a d900/d1100 android kernel issue

or they might have changed from one knockoff iphone 6 screen supplier to a different one

[twin egret]

Also allowed them to inset the sliders more than they do their joysticks on their other devices so it’s more like a DualShock and comfortable to reach down for them (imo)

[minor latch]

Love it that they corrected the buttons!

[untold ibex]

idk what that means

[west night]

The device has already been manufactured and stored in warehouse now. Maxzhou is on his vacation.

[fierce bone]

I bet this will make Miyoo finally hurry the fuck up, huh

I mean, MM+ came out what, 2 or 3 months after RG35xx? That's near instant in Miyoo years

[violet wyvern]

so it's too late to scrap the anbernic logo from the front of the device

i hoped it was just a prototype

[fierce mason]

I'd bet not. Miyoo doesn't need to care about anbernic release dates. It didn't hurt the mini or plus.

The plus and mini still sell well.

[fierce bone]

Really? How many units?

The last number I've seen was pre-MM+, 180K units IIRC

[fierce mason]

Cool. 👍🏻

[fierce bone]

Why, thank you!

[umbral pilot]

Hopefully the LED can be turned off in the settings

Does it actually stick out, or is it flush at least?

[astral breach]

Holy moly

any clue how soon it'll be for sale?

[peak bobcat]

possibly not, it might just be using the display's backlight so would be on when the screen is, the logo on my laptop does something similar

[untold ibex]

at least the logo is on the side i'll never see if it's open

[umbral pilot]

That's kinda what I was worried about. Oh well, sticker to the rescue

[peak bobcat]

is it actually their logo instead now, the pics I saw previously were more of a v than their r logo?

[edgy gyro]

Updates? Release date? Anything real

[untold ibex]

the V is their logo

it's the parent company logo to be exact

[edgy gyro]

I know that for a while. Thanks. Will check back next week.

[fierce bone]

I mean, if their Baidu posts are to be believed, just don't buy the trans color if you don't want the logo to glow

The logo on the white one seems a lot more subtle

[candid bronze]

oh there is a logo on the white one

welp gg gamers, this kills it for me

[vagrant mauve]

wait for the rg35xxspnl (no logo) a few months after

[quiet stag]

logo isn't that weird at least

better than it being ANBERNIC

[vagrant mauve]

if you can turn the leds off i'm definitely getting the white one, if not i'll own it and get a flashy color (pls red)

[lapis dome]

Really? I don’t mind the logo as long as it’s not lit

[fluid narwhal]

Logo on the cover is basically the last thing I consider behind controls, screen, ergonomics, performance, price, form factor, OS, build quality, quality control etc..

[plain storm]

Same, unless it was something truly awful like "POWKIDDY"

[quiet stag]

I just hope they don't slap ANBERNIC on the front below the screen like they traditionally do

[agile jetty]

I for one want full rainbow rgb color pattern, just blast it on the night train ride.

[lapis dome]

for the record the white one might be an engineering sample

[candid bronze]

that's why I'm tapping out

we're gonna get black and glassy blue

callin it

[astral breach]

if they're $60 I'll buy 2 at launch

[astral breach]

I think you're right but I'm praying for a 3rd

[misty mulch]

there was a white rg556 that turned out to be a engineering sample

[candid bronze]

that was the half glossy half matte one, right?

[misty mulch]

I think so, it's odd because I thought samples were always black

[astral breach]

itll be a bit annoying if they keep only releasing black and blue

[gloomy lichen]

And this has the same chip as the 35xx plus and H models correct? Odd that Anbernic seems to be standardizing on a single ship for new lower end devices, wonder if they are going for the same when it comes to higher end devices as well in future?

[astral breach]

yeah I think so

I'm hoping no wifi/bt

keep the cost low so I can recommend it to friends who want an easy gba sp

[misty mulch]

clear please

[astral breach]

hopefully its similar enough that the 35xx(+h) minUI builds work on it

i wouldn't be opposed to muOS if adixal gets his grubby mitts on it either

[misty mulch]

yeah when H came out, it took no time at all for muOS to be working on it

the plus build worked straight away

[astral breach]

the only issue is the mf is in australia

[misty mulch]

he's on Anbernic's goodie list, so he'll get it earlier

[lapis dome]

I hope they do a DMG grey colourway or a non-transparent fun colour like indigo

basically anything non-transparent that isn't white or black and I'm happy

[astral breach]

literally give me the rg505 colors I'd shit myself and buy 3

or wood

I'd take fuckin wood

[gloomy lichen]

I would kill for a NES themed one like the gba so got back in the day, but more realistically would like a blue color way that isn’t transparent

[gloomy lichen]

I would also love wood

[lapis dome]

oh man a wood grain would be amazing

[quiet stag]

I wouldn't mind transparent as long as it isn't glossy

[lapis dome]

NES themed is a great idea

maybe something a bit more subtle than that

but some grey/black/red combo

[misty mulch]

I'm down for Famicom

[astral breach]

if they did a plat silver I'd be down

doesn't even need to be anything special

[misty mulch]

I had a silver SP back in the day

[astral breach]

the buttons appear to be low profile enough to assume dome switches

but has anbernic ever done dome switches?

[misty mulch]

or this scheme

[astral breach]

thats heat yeah

[misty mulch]

no, never, they are always conductive rubber

[astral breach]

hopefully they're well done

or even just using aftermarket gba sp membranes with a similar sized switch to the original

[misty mulch]

trimui smart pro has dome

[astral breach]

yeah

[misty mulch]

powkiddy, don't as well?

retroid do

[astral breach]

if the original rp2 wasn't so clunky as an experience in 2024 I'd use mine more just for the dome switches

[nocturne plume]

I like the fact this uses the same chip as the H, which means for multi device owners we can just move over SD cards between systems

[astral breach]

and people who plan on selling their h/plus to get thi

this

[vagrant mauve]

i think the last one to do that was the win600

for colors, i had a red sp sp i'd love to have a red one, but it probably won't be an option

i think they'll give us plenty of choice though, at least 3

[fierce bone]

Indigo will be an instabuy from me, even though I really don’t need this one, just always loved that color way

[vagrant mauve]

yeah, my first retro handheld was an indigo 351p

back then i thought most handhelds that were gonna come out would have that colorway, but nope

[obtuse wraith]

is indigo cause of gamecube? whats the interest in that color?

[vagrant mauve]

for me, mostly gba in that color, although my childhood one was white

[edgy gyro]

I still see the logo here

[untold ibex]

it's still there it's just not as glaring as on the blue unit

[edgy gyro]

True. I would go for this one

[untold ibex]

also could depend on real world lighting tbh

that video looks overblown af

[edgy gyro]

True. Not like I need one. I can wait and see. Just excited for the calms coming out.

[fierce bone]

Didn't say there wasn't one, just that they showed a version with a non-lit logo

[slim zinc]

If the Anbernic comes out and has no software support it won't matter that it came first. It's all about the software and if the Miyoo gets onionOS then it's over

[slim zinc]

Bro that's fire, sell it to me please

[lapis dome]

Yeah, whichever gets better reviews and firmwares I’ll bite on

[slim zinc]

They would be really dumb to not sell this in indigo

They really need to stop and take a breather. They don't need to launch something new next month. They need to stop and support this device, offer it in lots of colors and provide some form of incentive to devs

[umbral pilot]

Well, it wouldn't be a retro handheld if we didn't need to compromise. It's between annoying glowing logo, or unwanted thumb sticks.

[fierce bone]

I mean, wouldn’t rule out that glowing can be disabled somehow

Through software or just modding the thing

[fierce mason]

They've needed to do this for years... They aren't starting that mindset ever

As long as they get sales and the community rescues their devices they are going to keep pumping them out. The best thing the community could do is let one of their devices flop

[peak bobcat]

Lots of colours is something that users think is a big deal, but it probably doesn't shift the needle on sales at all provided you have a few choices for people

As far as slowing down, releasing new devices is practically advertising for them by this point, do something new very couple of months and you help the sales of the other stuff on their site, besides the new one at that time

[fierce bone]

Yeah, Anbernic’s approach of “let’s offer the black one and a few transparent options” is my biggest gripe with them

But come to think of it, I don’t remember seeing anyone bring that up on Baidu like ever

Don’t know why, really

These are still toys, they’re supposed to look fun

Not black and 50 shades of bleak

Maybe that’s perceived as premium, dunno

[peak bobcat]

They tend to have a basic one such as black, white, grey or dmg plus a couple of whackier options

[fierce bone]

Maaaybe some have asked for the FC color way though, but I think those colors are just very special in Chinese culture

[peak bobcat]

both are popular colours with good connotations in china, but did they even get the fc?

[fierce bone]

I don’t think so, they just like the combo

It’s like red and green screams “Christmas” in the West

[peak bobcat]

Not had a grey or dmg option in their cheaper devices, so I wonder if that will be the basic one this time round

[fierce bone]

But it’s my understanding 80s and most of 90s home consoles weren’t really popular in China

[peak bobcat]

Not anbernic, but that black and green combo on the miyoo flip leaks would be nice if they commited to the colours and dropped the grey buttons entirely

[obtuse wraith]

The logo on the thing is tough for me. The sticks are not. The support or performance would have to be better on this at this point

[candid bronze]

my ass will cut the wires

[vagrant mauve]

if it shares the h700 with everything else and muos is plug and play, i don't want the miyoo

[lapis dome]

You’d pick muOS over onion? Not arguing genuinely asking, I don’t own anything that can run muOS to try it out myself

[vagrant mauve]

hmm

[lapis dome]

(Also we may or may not get onion for the miyoo flip)

[vagrant mauve]

i wouldn't pick it if i had both options, but i like muos a lot

onion is top of firmwares for low end linux devices for me, but other options are good enough too

on this, something pretty minimalistic like muos would be more than enough for me, hell, minui too

i just like the xxsp hardware much better than the miyoo flip so it would have to be a huge downgrade software wise (like being locked to anbernic stock os) for me to get the miyoo over this

[heavy skiff]

i might get both

[vagrant mauve]

if miyoo ends up around 60 bucks, i probably will too, but i like the anbernic better atm

[heavy skiff]

let's just hope reviews come out soon

[vagrant mauve]

probably will get rid of my xxh after this anyway

[lapis dome]

Yeah minUI would be my ideal for an edc pocket clamshell

[vagrant mauve]

tbh since no sticks, it probably would be for me too

i got rid of it for my smart pro cause i wanted psp, but it would be perfect here

[slim zinc]

Onion has hibernation, what other OS supports that feature?

It's a must have

[vagrant mauve]

hibernation in what sense?

[slim zinc]

Like I can push the power button and come back to it the next day

And it doesn't lose much battery

[vagrant mauve]

i think it's implemented differently in each os and device

but basically all have it in some way

[fierce bone]

I mean, yeah, it's a thing because sleep is broken in some way on a lot of ARM Linux devices (battery drain, bugs, etc)

On Android you just use sleep mode

[vagrant mauve]

yeah i'd love more reliable sleep on linux handhelds, i just turn it on each time and off when i'm done

so i focus more on low boot time

[fierce bone]

I think people say a lot of it has to do with ancient kernels a lot of these CFWs have to use

So rg35xx going mainline maybe can fix that in Batocera, etc

[vagrant mauve]

would be great

[fierce bone]

Like my Arc uses 4.19 under theRA, that's a six year old release

[vagrant mauve]

supposedly rk3566 was about to go mainline

[fierce bone]

It already is, just not the screen driver for the Arc

Batocera runs mainline on the 353 devices

[vagrant mauve]

oh, cool

haven't been too active lately

[candid bronze]

MinUI has that

[opaque sorrel]

Arkos has it, but you have to learn to enable it.

[haughty prairie]

MinUI doesn't hibernate, it just quick saves and turns the device off, it then runs a script to load the q quicksave when you turn the device on

If you use one SD card for MinUI you can actually resume a game on another device

If MinUI supported HDMI out you could do cool things with consolized devices

[mossy star]

That's what people are referring to when they say "hibernate" (as opposed to "sleep"): saving state when turning the device off, then reloading state when turning the device on.

[vagrant mauve]

i thought onion did sleep and not hibernate, didn't use my mm+ much though

[fierce bone]

IIRC the problem is that the SoC actually can't do sleep

It just turns the screen off

Like if you run the game and turn the device into sleep mode, it will keep playing the game

Hence the OnionOS hacks for that

[vagrant mauve]

what soc do you refer to, the mm+'s?

[fierce bone]

They both have the same chip, sigma something

Made for smart screens as far as I remember

[haughty prairie]

I'm thinking in the Windows sense, which wasn't a true power off

[haughty prairie]

Sigma star Sd2020 or something like that

[fierce bone]

SigmaStar SSD202D

Yeah, no wonder I keep forgetting this

[haughty prairie]

It has a 2D GPU on it. I thought it was for security cameras

[fierce bone]

Enough of my head is wasted on Rockchip SoC line

[haughty prairie]

Honestly this trend is preventing all these chips from becoming ewaste

Or maybe it's a scheme to offload ewaste from China to Western nerds

[fierce bone]

Ah, it's the title of that datasheet that made me think it's for "smart screens"

[fierce bone]

Most of these companies serve their domestic market first and foremost

I think it takes a certain kind of ingenuity to look at this and think "yeah, I'll make a gameboy out of this", pretty cool

[vagrant mauve]

especially the og mini, yeah

[polar ivy]

The V90's allwinner F1C was mostly used for intercoms, e-ink readers, car screens.....

Although weirdly, Sega did use almost the same chip for the game gear micro. Which came out around the same time as the V90.

It's like Powkiddy heard what Sega was doing, tried to copy, and then copied the wrong handheld

[fierce bone]

Doesnt Powkiddy have a game gear-like handheld with the same chip?

Ah, wait, that one's a Funkey clone

https://powkiddy.com/products/powkiddy-new-q36-mini-1-5-inch-ips-screen-open-source-handheld-game-players-keychain-mini-console-childrens-gifts

Or not... what the hell is Quanzhi V3S

[polar ivy]

Fc3000, bittboy V3, pocket go, and powkiddy Q90/v90/Q20 mini all have the same chip.

[still imp]

It literally will never face me so I couldn’t care less lol

[nova wigeon]

It will face you whenever you open your drawer and look at all the handhelds you own but never use

[still imp]

That’s addiction!

[nova wigeon]

I mean it's a better addiction than cocaine

[paper solar]

The logo isn’t too offensive imho. Especially compared with devices that have actual emoji faces on them (ie RGB20SX, M17)

And def better than the “ANBERNIC” written in block letters in the bottom bezel 😵

[fierce bone]

I wouldn't be so sure

I've seen IRL cokeheads

In fact, I had a cokehead for a boss for two years

In fact it was the same cokehead boss on two different jobs, we got along well even though I don't do drugs

And you know what I haven't seen cokeheads do?

Debate whether they like their electronics with sticks or no sticks for three hours straight

[astral breach]

LOL

they just do it faster!! they get through 3 hours of discourse in an hour and a half!!

unfair advantage...

[fierce bone]

I've seen the man run to the meetings across the hall or down the street if it took place in another building

The "cokeheads do everything really fast" is no myth

[still imp]

Yeah they’d get to the fact that no Sticks is better faster, duh

[edgy gyro]

Do we get a free coke with this? I am confused.

[stray steppe]

How does the H700 compare to the Rk3566?

[agile jetty]

weaker, somewhere between 3326 and 3566

[twin egret]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-psa-gif-21673683

[slim zinc]

You'll find that most stereotypes are rooted in truth

I wouldn't mind the logo if it was just painted onto the shell, but if it's a physical piece of plastic jutting out it's going to be problematic for a ultra pocketable device

If I put it into my jeans backwards on accident it will push into my leg, especially while sitting down

[vagrant mauve]

it won't be, just a transparent piece of plastic

[fierce bone]

So we're now worried this triangle will hurt our tender bodies?

I swear you pocketable people just like to make things up

[lapis dome]

Especially if the solution is “don’t put it in your pocket backwards” I’m sure you’ll adapt lol

I already have to put my verticals in my pocket screen facing in to not be uncomfortable and you figure that out day 1

[vagrant mauve]

hey, the ds lite has a protruding logo too, that really traumatized me

still have the dual screens branded into my outer thigh

[fierce bone]

One of these days we'll get a trident-style N64 handheld

So we need to prepare ourselves

[lapis dome]

God no

Not all designs need to be rehashed

I want an n64 handheld but it doesn’t need the trident

[gloomy lichen]

But consider… a handheld with a trident style and rumble pack

[fierce bone]

That's the spirit

[lapis dome]

I have zero sling bags that would fit in

[polar ivy]

I am not convinced that is what he was suggesting you could do with it.

[fierce bone]

Hopefully ribbed for everyone's pleasure

[gloomy lichen]

Now my 16 year old self is working overtime coming up with use cases outside of n64.

It’s only five off one of the fun numbers

[fierce bone]

Imagine the multiplayer possibilities

Teledildonics support in Garlic wen

God I love that word

[polar ivy]

I learnt a new word today.

I don't imagine I will be able to use this new word very much.

[astral breach]

also who chooses to sit on their electronics LOL

[fierce bone]

When the opportunity presents itself, it will be extremely rewarding

[vagrant mauve]

maybe a too complicated way of doing a "bowling ball grip"

[lapis dome]

I interpreted that as just increased pressure on front pockets when legs are bent

[astral breach]

on second read you interpreted better but thats even less realistic and annoying

i get disliking the aesthetic but theres no way that protrudes more than a couple mm LMAO

[vagrant mauve]

it's literally nds lite logo spec

[fierce bone]

Also very similar to X18

[lapis dome]

I am kinda hype for an x18 successor

[fierce bone]

Oh right, they wanted to first make another X18 revision and then use T820 for X19, right?

[vagrant mauve]

i really hope they can do a good job with those

[fierce bone]

Hmmm, T820 clamshell does sound cool if they don't mess up the controls again

[vagrant mauve]

yeah definitely

having an odin 2 i can't be interested in the 556, but if it's a clamshell...

[fierce bone]

Ah wait, it was just said it will be a better chip than 618

#890864479657685003 message

[vagrant mauve]

well, probably d900, d1100 or t820, don't think they'd reinvent the wheel

[fierce bone]

Also realised X19 already exists lol. So probably a different name, too

(god knows Powkiddy's naming scheme makes no sense)

X17

[vagrant mauve]

x18 i think came from t618

[fierce bone]

X16

[vagrant mauve]

so maybe x20 of it's a t820?

that probably exists too

[fierce bone]

X15

[vagrant mauve]

eww

[fierce bone]

Yep

[vagrant mauve]

ah crap

[fierce bone]

Completely different from X17, of course #1169059294919012494 message

[vagrant mauve]

breaking news: powkiddy closes their factory because they're out of numbers to put after X

[fierce bone]

Biggest one yet is probably x55

(at least I hope so)

Ah, no, there's X70

https://powkiddy.com/products/powkiddy-x70-handheld-video-game-console-7-inch-hd-screen-retro-cheap-childrens-gifts-support-two-player-game-ps1

Why don't their rackets get an X something name while we're at it

[vagrant mauve]

ohh, so that's where the POW comes from

[fierce bone]

Would've been a cool origin story

[lapis dome]

X38 maybe given the x18 to x28 progression

[vagrant mauve]

x18 max 3 pro-am

[fierce bone]

Oh right, don't forget the suffixes

[edgy gyro]

I just think it look horrible

[candid bronze]

mostly because we're most likely getting the same material and color as the rg556

[still imp]

Dude that would fucking rule, but that does not look like 556 blue material

[sullen burrow]

This will only cut @strong yarrow because it is tradition

[strong yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-arsequeef-sam-riegel-gif-12468966

[candid bronze]

I want that on my end

just graphite

to match my childhood SP

[peak bobcat]

It is weird, I played my sp so much but I can't actually remember what colour it was and yet I remember all the others, even stuff like my ngpc

[vale geode]

I remember I had a dark blue one

[low saddle]

Yeah I had the graphite one too

[peak bobcat]

I think I either had the dark blue or black one as a contrast from the purple gba I had

[glad fulcrum]

My original gba sp was silver

[void spire]

I didn't have pocket comfort in mind I just think the backlit logo is tacky lol

[wise patio]

how long before we get modded shells for this one, removing the ugly logo

[turbid cargo]

If you can gather a lot of people who's worried about the logo then you could have them as soon as you can gather a lot.

Me I'm still worried this won't even ship

[peak bobcat]

I am sure this one will ship, they'll want to keep up their 6-7 devices a year rate and less than half of them will be t820 so they'll need to find some others to add to the XX range

[edgy gyro]

I say this 99.9% will ship. Miyoo is the company I worry will not ship things

[polar ivy]

It's Anbernic. They'll fully confirm a date the day before it arrives at youtubers houses 😄

[digital rock]

The logo complaint is a bit weird to me. When it's open and you're playing games you'll never even see it

[lapis dome]

I mean a lot of people do use these in public/at work where they may care about the perceptions of others

same reason I bought a tastefully coloured tomtoc sling instead of wearing a mustard stained neon green 90s nylon fanny pack to keep my retro handheld in at work

[midnight grove]

Big ugly light up gamer logo screams “temu e-waste” . Same reason I wouldn’t buy one of those Alienware laptops.

[lapis dome]

same reason the win max 3 comes with magnetic covers to cover up the game controllers

sometimes people don't want to be a walking billboard for the concept of gaming

hell I'd argue that's part of the appeal of the SP style clamshell - it doesn't scream 'look at me I'm a gameboy' when it's just closed on your desk the way a non-clamshell handheld does

[haughty prairie]

One of the benefits of a vertical is it looks like you're playing on a phone

The small candy bars look like phones too

[lapis dome]

Meanwhile, the transparent blue rg arc S is not something that can be used even a little bit incognito

Without strangers asking about it

[haughty prairie]

I got people asking where to get an rg nano all the time when I used mine

[peak bobcat]

Did you say it came out of an expensive box of christmas crackers?

[haughty prairie]

Nah used to say Alibaba

Though Aus/NZ are weird in that pretty much everyone had a Famiclone as a kid from the Saturday market so people just assume it's one of those I guess

[turbid cargo]

Anbernic won’t care, Logo = Advertisment 🤣

[narrow turret]

Does anyone else think the shoulder buttons seem very impractical?

Little tiny narrow nubs

The rg 35xx sp vs miyoo flip debate is kinda weird. One has sticks but likely will not have the chipset that will run anything heavier than PS1.

The other does not but there is batocera being ported mainline on that chipset so it would benefit from sticks

[edgy gyro]

It’s a clamshell all shoukder buttons are bad

[narrow turret]

I don't have a Retroid flip but I've seen people praise those shoulders

Not that you could fit those in a smaller sp size clamshell but...

[edgy gyro]

If this thing is as big as a flip then yes you could make rhat agreement

[vale geode]

its confirmed to have a 3.5 inch screen by now isn't it?

same one the 35xx+ and h use

[amber valve]

Any news release date?

[fierce bone]

Honestly think stacked shoulder buttons are seriously overrated on up to PSX devices

If you plan to stream modern games or play PS2/GC shooters — sure, they're nice

Otherwise inline are totally fine

[peak bobcat]

Stacked are still more comfortable if you can fit them on the device, the compact stacked setup that anbernic used on the rg353ps and the arc are a great balance

[fierce bone]

Well, Arc was my first experience with stacked shoulder buttons on an up to PSX device, actually

Apart from PSX I mostly use those for hotkeys, and in-line feel a bit more natural for that

Maybe if I did more Portmaster, I had a different view, dunno

[haughty prairie]

It's not Miyoo Mini shoulders bad

I've only used my inline shoulders on ports like AM2R, though aren't there L2/R2 PS games?

[fierce bone]

Of course, but they don't exactly treat L2/R2 as triggers. I think a lot of games don't even use those for shooting

Like Einhänder uses shoulder buttons to change weapons, but you shoot with face buttons

FPS games like Alien Trilogy use shoulder buttons for strafing, but you shoot with X

Of course you can remap stuff to your liking, and make them be more like modern games, but it's not essential IMO

[agile jetty]

Quake 2 on psx had a preset where you would shoot with one of the shoulder buttons, but thats a rarity. And it will not work here

[fierce bone]

In case of Arc tbh I would've been happy if they did just two shoulder buttons a-la M30. Bonus points for authenticity, and also those large shoulder buttons are really comfy and would've worked great for SNES/GBA

But yeah, I know most people would've hated using Z and C for L2/R2

[polar ivy]

Would have been great with one should button if the Arc was cheaper with the power of a V90 or something.

Just be the ultimate Mega Drive/Mega CD device 😄

[lapis dome]

if it was just a megadrive device it wouldn't need shoulders at all lol

[edgy gyro]

I forgot what channel this was for a second

[lapis dome]

the great shoulder button debate was triggered by the 35xx sp triggers looking pretty bad

not sure why we didn't get regular full sized inline shoulders that touch

instead of little baby buttons

[polar ivy]

Ha, true, misremembering.

[narrow turret]

Yeah that's my bad sorry guys

[outer plaza]

It's in the name, SP

[fierce bone]

My bad too, I have a nasty habit of turning any thread into an Arc/Megadrive thread

[edgy gyro]

No worries. I just had to do a double check. When is everyone predictions on where this will start shipping?

[astral breach]

my bet is by the end of the month

[edgy gyro]

That would be a great time, for me personally.

[astral breach]

i'd love it

[fierce bone]

Yeah, I think Anbernic's MO is after we get photos/videos of the actual device, the sales should start within a month

[astral breach]

i feel the anbernic turnaround is so fast that it HAS to come out that fast

like i wouldnt be surprised if we have a russ initial review in 2 weeks

[edgy gyro]

I think anbernic had been working on this for a while.

I wish Miyoo would of released the flip first

Over the A30

[astral breach]

i have a feeling miyoo might lose the arms race on account of timeframe alone

if that d008 comes out before the miyoo and d00 cfw keeps chugging along, the stick users might take that as their option

the stick haters are gonna get the anbernic anyway

and it could be really bad for mm flip sales if the only thing they have going for them is brand loyalty and the hope of a good OS

i think it will be really hard for anbernic to mess this one up

its just a weird 35xx

we have so much 35xx infrastructure already set up, if minUI/muOS/batocera works out the box with the preexisting 35xx support people will love it

as long as the controls feel like an sp it has potential to be the cheap retro handheld you recommend to game boy fans

[edgy gyro]

I think the d008 is dead. One of the CFW devs for the D007 said they were having problems with the handheld.

#1220773565457240064 message for contex.

[fierce bone]

Tbf, I think GBA SPs are nostalgic to a whole generation, so any clamshell will sell well whenever it launches

We might get RG35XX SP, then Flip and then a whole parade from Game Console, SZDiier and other usual suspects

[keen grove]

It's my generation, and me very much so

[tired wedge]

I think it's crazy how there's seemingly a strong demand for one and we announcements of some but nothing really concrete yet

And it's been like that for what

A year?

[fierce bone]

Maybe it‘s simply not that big in China

Though I think they had SP under the iQue brand

[edgy gyro]

video games were outlawed in China for a while. Not sure if they still are.

[hard raptor]

not anymore

[polar ivy]

There were restrictions for a time in sales and imports (only some consoles allowed), but there was never a complete ban in China.

[fierce bone]

Yeah, I'd imagine it's impossible to completely ban consoles in a country that had produced them for decades (both bootleg and official)

[polar ivy]

Aye, when there was a ban on some consoles, they still let in playstation 2's, and there was a chinese manufacturer that made Nintendo stuff.

[lapis dome]

They also still had PC games and arcade

[polar ivy]

Consoles don't sell much their now, but that's more because of their high cost, and lack of demand.

[polar ivy]

Yup, mobile and tablet are also huge.

[lapis dome]

Yeah, the dominant attitude in China today toward gaming is definitely “why buy a console when I already own a phone/tablet/computer?”

Which to be fair is also my attitude towards consoles

[polar ivy]

I mean, yeah, they have a point 😄

Particularly when you factor in the average wage in China, and the import costs of consoles. It's a lot to play very similar games to what you already have.

We live in a world where any phone/tablet/budget PC can play more great games than you could ever play.

Anyone in China who could afford a PS5 will already have more than one of those 🤷‍♂️

How many games do you need access to?

An RG35XX is a lifetime of gaming, if you wanted to really explore it.

And any phone/tablet/PC they have will leave an RG35XX in the dust.

Also, this may shock you, but sometimes there are people who pirate games.

Easier to do on a PC than a PS5.

[vale geode]

There's also a ton of restrictions on gaming in China, makes it a little the harder to get into stuff that isn't already massively popular games with your friends or favorite streamers

[amber valve]

This could be delay around November due to Taiwan's production issue from Earthquake

[violet wyvern]

I thought they were all already crammed in some warehouse ready to be shipped

many discording rumors about this one

[keen grove]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, them just waiting for miyoo or anyone else to release a clamshell for them to then burst through the door with their product

[finite idol]

Give it to me now 😭

[peak bobcat]

Timing is probably about waiting for somebody to make another one official and then anbernic can announce theirs and ship it before the others get going, launching too far ahead would allow the other company to get the attention back on them, unlike if they show up during anbernic's initial launch period

[west night]

Found a pic of a customized ashtray with that logo

[chilly patio]

I wish we could buy that

[keen grove]

That's just the office ash tray for the smoking room

[chilly patio]

I know, I want it 😩

[native bone]

I hope instead rg35xx it should be rg28XX SP

[outer plaza]

The GBA SP has a 2.9 inch screen

aint no way they're gonna use a smaller screen

[chilly patio]

Yeah I was gonna say, also GBA SP had huge bezels. Would be a waste of space if they used even a 3 inch screen

[outer plaza]

Normally I'm not a fan of all these devices going for small bezels due to being more scared of hurting the screen, but with this being clamshell all I'm all good with a bezel reduction up to a point

Although even the stuff we've seen the bezels looks protective enough for me

[chilly patio]

Well the stock SP, with its 2.9 inch screen, still had massive bezels for the screen size

If this is the same dimensions as an SP I think a screen that goes up to the plastic border would still have a sufficient enough bezel

[tired wedge]

3.5" would be pretty nice

though also means no integer scaling unless you want gba micro level size iirc

[lapis dome]

4” 720x720 👀

[chilly patio]

720x480 😩

[fierce mason]

I'd like the 1:1 4in with the retroid sliders. 😅

[dry current]

I wish mate

[outer plaza]

I hope whichever Nintendo Executive thought that a front light LCD was even close to a good idea has to use one every day

My GBA SP I keep bringing out to compare is just so sad 😦

[stray steppe]

As excited as I am about this I do wish it was using something more powerful than a H700. At least something better than a 3566 would be great

[proper chasm]

I think H700 makes perfect sense on stickless pocket handhelds

[vagrant mauve]

same, just give me my up to gba shenanigans and battery life

[proper chasm]

yeah battery life seems good on plush right? and I see no need for anything more powerful to compromise power efficiency or cfw compatibility or price

[vagrant mauve]

i'm just glad h700 is getting a bunch of software support

i'll just put batocera on everything lmao

[untold ibex]

yeah but at that size and with this control scheme, why

[peak bobcat]

there's not really much beyond h700 and 3566 outside of the $150+ chipsets, certainly nowt you'd get on a $60 device

[stray steppe]

For stuff like Portmaster and pushing the boundaries of arm Linux

[chilly patio]

Eh I mean in fairness the SP was released in early 2003, I don’t think there were really any devices with backlit LCDs back then, let alone full color backlit LCDs

[peak bobcat]

Lynx had one well before that, I think the issue was more that there was nothing without shitty battery life that had one at the time

[lapis dome]

The gamegear was backlit lol

The neogeo pocket was backlit wasn’t it?

[edgy gyro]

There were plenty. The idea that only the SP was is silly

[peak bobcat]

don't think the ngpc was backlit

[gloomy lichen]

As I would only use this for up to PS1 anyway I dont really need a more powerful chip, though if it were to have sticks I would be tempted to also use it for N64, PSP, and Dreamcast in which case more power would be helpful.

[edgy gyro]

the 35xx H can support all those systems

[chilly patio]

Okay yeah regarding backlights, maybe should’ve been more specific and said LED backlight. GameGear and Lynx had CCFL backlights, which as pointed out were garbage for battery life and no way would’ve fit in the space of the lid for the SP

[edgy gyro]

If the SP isn't a 101. it is garbage also

[obtuse wraith]

Yes there are other devices that can do many systems. Im interested in the clamshell aspect.

I think most people here feel the same

[fiery ember]

Anbernic is always on the lookout for miyoo so this console won't come out until it's on sale, serious words

[pliant ferry]

It's cool, but tbh 99% of people who buy this are not interested in pushing boundaries of arm Linux, and just wanna play Pokémon emerald. So not really any point of giving it a better soc given the hardware

[vagrant mauve]

yes

they can push the boundaries with stuff like the rgb10max3pro, not with a clamshell

already hard enough to have a decent hinge

[chilly patio]

AGS-001 wasn’t even backlit, which is what started this whole conversation about backlights

[north spade]

Anbernic release this soon pls before I go down the rabbit hole and start modding a GBA SP

[haughty drift]

RABBIT HOLE, RABBIT HOLE!

[gloomy lichen]

With the 28xx releasing imminently what other devices do we know are rumored for Anbernic to be working on aside from this clamshel and the 406? Stands to reason that one of them would be coming out after the 28xx, personally my money would be on a 406 just because they have been releasing so many of the xx family of devices this year already with the 35xx 2024, 35xx H, and now the 28xx.

[vagrant mauve]

nothing else i think, although i bet they will release multiple devices with the 2.8 inch screen

if i had to put my money on something, it would be 28xx - 406 - 28xx v - 35xx sp

[gloomy lichen]

Yeah the 28 does seem likely, maybe even a 30 series at the current rate of iteration from them.

[vagrant mauve]

i dunno if there's any good 3 inch screen they could use, but i doubt it, too close to 2.8

[lapis dome]

I hope we get an RG tate in there, with a 3:4 screen

[plain storm]

With a chip powerful enough for the later Cave shmups & the arc dpad, I'd be all about it. My hotdog handheld isn't exactly pocketable..

[lapis dome]

Imagine a vertical with the arc dpad and a 4” 3:4 screen - it would definitely be a long boy but should be slim enough to pocket…

Alternatively the 28xx screen is already portrait native so just slap that in an h700 handheld built for pocketable tate mode

But yeah I do like the idea of a mass produced hotdog handheld alternative that has a decent android chip in it and a 9:16 for pinball and more modern shmups but you’re never gonna make that pocketable

I’d settle for h700 3:4 for 90s and 80s tate cabs with just enough gpu for a basic crt shader

Honestly I’ll probably use the 28xx in tate mode with the start/select buttons as my A/B a lot

[vagrant mauve]

i'd love that for nds

[plain storm]

Same, I'd be happy with either of the hypothetical devices you mentioned. It's niche but there's a market & they could definitely charge a premium for it to make up for lower sales volumes. 9:16 would have a decent chance as well since it's such a good fit for DS.

[vagrant mauve]

i wonder if they still have ps vita screens around

or even win600 screens

those would be cool for a vertical

[plain storm]

Sheeseit, now we're talking

[vagrant mauve]

would be chunky though

[lapis dome]

Yeah, 9:16 is basically perfect for NDS. 2:3 if you want bezeless but I want a slight gap between top and bottom screens so 9:16 is perfect. Would work great for tate mode switch indies like downwell or pinball too.

[vagrant mauve]

yeah, i love how ds looks on my 16:9 tablet vertically

[plain storm]

It's pretty clutch

[vagrant mauve]

yeah, that but anbernic built

[lapis dome]

Or retroid

[vagrant mauve]

i doubt retroid would do something so risky lmao

they only release the safest shit except for the flip which kinda backfired

[plain storm]

Yah this isn't something that would leave the house since it's basically irreplaceable, but I'd love an anbernic 2ds-alike or tate device to throw in my bag. They've shown they're willing to take risks before so 🤞

[vagrant mauve]

i appreciate that about anbernic, they make some weirdo shit

[plain storm]

Totally, love that the arc is a thing

[lapis dome]

I've stopped hunting for irreplacable things as soon as I realized how much worrying about a handheld ruins the enjoyment

my first MM+ was while it was still hard to get so I never pocketed the dang thing which defeated the entire purpose

[livid mason]

Still better then the powkiddy X18

[lapis dome]

I rebought one when they became easy to get and now it lives in my pocket near daily

[lapis dome]

have there been any reports of hinge failures on the x18?

[plain storm]

Eh, I don't worry too much, have a handheld shelf & mostly play in bed anyway, I've got others as bag devices

[lapis dome]

I thought the only problems with it were a mildly stinky android rom and not great feeling controls

[vagrant mauve]

the x18 is barely better than stubbing your little toe

[lapis dome]

yeah for me the whole point of these handhelds is throwing in either my pocket or my sling bag and bringing them with me travelling/to work etc

at home I have an arcade stick and a rotating monitor lol

[livid mason]

I mean retroid handheld that as good as they can with replacement units and revisions

Also the flip didn’t pinch ur fingers when closing the lid

[gloomy lichen]

I am still waiting for a revised flip to come out with the chip from the 4 or 4 pro.

[livid mason]

Birth of the Flip 2 will be inevitable

[fierce mason]

It's not really, until they announce it. Although they don't have many future options except a vertical and another flip

[gloomy lichen]

I do wonder how likely it will be for Retroid to make a vertical device. Maybe if they went very cheap end and took the screen and internals of the 2S but dropped the sticks or something you could have a decent device.

[lapis dome]

A vertical from them could be super cool

I’d like to see it with one flip slider, dpad, digital shoulders, and 6 face buttons since that would basically cover all fifth gen and down

We need more handhelds with good controls for sega/arcade/n64

An RP1S

[gloomy lichen]

Now that you mention it that would be sick

[obtuse wraith]

id have to consider it, genesis and n64 were childhood consoles of mine.

[lapis dome]

I am just getting really sick of using right stick instead of c buttons for n64

[gloomy lichen]

Didn’t grow up with the 64, but Star Wars had some great games on the system. And as a lifelong Star Wars fan I think they are some of the best… and to my eternal sorrow it seems Rogue squadron III is perpetually beyond the abilities of every device made to run adequately.

That’s GameCube though and all the SW games on n64 typically run well for me.

[haughty prairie]

the Odin 2 runs rogue squadron 3, I'd assume?

[gloomy lichen]

It does, and assuming I can ever get dolphin to boot on my Loki that could run it as well. But those high end devices seem to be the only way.

[haughty prairie]

tbf I feel like that's the case for a solid half of GameCube games. Sure, Paper Mario runs on a T618, but my D900 phone struggled with Metroid Prime PAL. There's such a massive gulf between the low end, the mid end, and then what even an SD888 can pull off

Though you can pick up SD Gen 1 8 phones for like $200USD now so wouldn't be surprised to start seeing it pop up in things

[slim zinc]

SD8Gen 1 is solid performance, you can get rock steady 3x PS2 on most games

Don't really need more performance just yet

I want a handheld to use that chip and a 1080p OLED panel

[peak bobcat]

Only issue is the battery life isn't great on the gen1, need the plus update, also Qualcomm are quick to phase out the older models which is why they tend to be rarer in handhelds. They'd rather sell a new sd6 or sd7 than old sd8

[haughty prairie]

My gen 1 phone lasts all day, granted all I've done is play FF5 pixel remaster on it and loaded up a certain piece of software to play a certain game just to be like 'it's on my phone!' but gamesir controllers kinda aren't all that

[peak bobcat]

yeah, my gen 1 is fine for normal use too, seems to be a relative issue with sustained performance, it is not one of the majorly bad qualcomms but noticeably worse than the + or the gen 2

[lost grove]

Does the H700 suffer as much from battery and sleep woes as the RK3566?

[amber valve]

Motherflippers where are you?

Maybe its august or november releases flips

[finite idol]

Probably waiting on Miyoo

[amber valve]

Are they family?

[lapis dome]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

real talk I was very much on team miyoo for the clamshell round until reviews dropped for the micro round

now I'm not that sure on the miyoo

[finite idol]

Same here

[amber valve]

miyoo does not want to risk anymore new

[finite idol]

Maybe they are a one hit wonder

A30 would have been good a couple years ago, maybe the flip started dev later

[amber valve]

I'm waiting for someone who will make a similar Retroid Pocket 2s specs within flip sp form factor even it will cost me $150-200

Retroid flip is okay however does not have quality

[slim zinc]

The things that are problematic about the A30 are not going to transfer over to the flip. It has a different screen, a different d-pad, a different chip, probably a bigger battery

We already know it has a headphone jack

[lapis dome]

yeah, it's a lot of new stuff though it's not just a clamshell MM+

the a30 makes the MM being good look like a fluke

obviously I still hope it'll be good

I'm definitely on team 'why not put analogs there?' with the SP design

[slim zinc]

The sticks aren't a make it or break it feature for me, I'll buy the best one that has no large deal breakers

Every company has duds, they just cheaped out and took too long to release the A30

[misty mulch]

⁠SZDiier apparently gave up making their flip

[lapis dome]

I like the idea of the sticks if it's actually a 3566

portmaster on a clamshell would be great

[outer plaza]

Wonder how much an analogue stick or two affects the price

[lapis dome]

if the miyoo is 3566 I expect it'll be 3566 priced while the anbernic will be h700 and h700 priced so I'm expecting anbernic to be a solid $20 or so cheaper on the clamshell round

[outer plaza]

The thing that pops in my head is how can can an analogue stick be good feeling if it's gotta deal with the screen and flip as well. The retroid flip has sliders for example

[slim zinc]

Not much, maybe like $2

[outer plaza]

Yeah I guess that's more of the conversation

[outer plaza]

Pretty insignificant then

The thing about analogue sticks for me is that as soon as I play consoles that has them, I want a more comfortable form factor

Not betting on any flip device being Uber comfortable

[vagrant mauve]

i wasn't but i was expecting a better product from them even if i didn't like it

[peak bobcat]

I think the H started out about $4 more than the plus and the sticks would have been about the only main difference

[outer plaza]

Yeah that's a good comparison

I would love to try the H I just always want to put things with a screen that's exposed in a case for protection

The clamshell protection tho

[peak bobcat]

unless one of them shows up in an a30'esque state, I can see both flips being certain buys for me, gba sp was one of those special devices for me

Loved the og gb and the gbc was a nice little bump, but it felt like the gba and particularly the sp were a bigger stride forwards without compromising mobile usability

The latter point was just something the others mostly didn't get, a handheld is just a weaker console if you run out of batteries so quickly you can only really use it at home

[outer plaza]

I mean Gameboys had pretty good battery life

[peak bobcat]

yeah, it was all the non-ninty stuff outside of neogeo pocket that tended to suffer

[hard raptor]

Whelp, now that the RG28XX is out I'm guessing we've only got another 2 weeks to wait before the SP drops given Anbernic's release schedule this year ^_^

[gloomy lichen]

Unless they surprise drop the 406 to give us a break from all the xx series devices

[stray steppe]

They won’t 🥲

[finite idol]

Honestly their budget devices are so good, why buy the premium ones

[silk urchin]

Keep them coming I say

And get weird with it

[lapis dome]

55xx with the 556 oled

[stray steppe]

I want my pocketable GameCube

[finite idol]

Makes sense, tbh I've only tried the retroid devices at that tier

[keen grove]

you might be waiting a while for the tech to get good enough for that small

it'd be hella dope having a handheld that small be able to play gamecube on the go

[finite idol]

Depending on your pocket size the 405m would qualify

[keen grove]

I don't know from personal experience but probably

I was more thinking around the size of the RP2S

which I think is a smidge or two smaller

[lapis dome]

I think the g99 can definitely fit in a pocketable device and do quite a bit of gamecube

[keen grove]

give is some active cooling in the RP2S because I know for sure it can fit a decent heatsink in there

RP2X here we come

The end game of the RP2 line

[lapis dome]

I don’t want fan cooled retro handhelds myself but I’m also not that into gc/ps2 I just want good psp

[finite idol]

PSP is interesting because most devices with a 16:9 screen tend to be larger, except for the PSP itself

[keen grove]

what size was the PSP screen again?

[agile jetty]

4.3

[keen grove]

maybe a 4.5" 16:9 screen would be a good fit for something with maybe a G99 or a bit stronger

[outer plaza]

I mean retroid pocket 4

Already the perfect psp device

[finite idol]

I use my 3+ for PSP almost exclusively

[keen grove]

I'll moderately argue the RG505

mostly for the perfect 2X scaling

[peak bobcat]

I think the 406 might be next tbh, the XX models are the intermezzos between the main courses of the t820 models

[granite shadow]

As much as I like my 405m, I often debate on selling it

[lapis dome]

I don’t want the protruding sticks and triggers on my hypothetical perfect psp pocket handheld

I think rp flip might be the closest tbh but it’s gone

[tired wedge]

same

its like....the perfect psp alt

[stray steppe]

The SP is already made and ready so I’m pretty sure that’ll be the next handheld from Anbernic. They might only announce the 406 early if Retroid starts teasing their next device

[livid mason]

I doubt anbernic cares about retroid at all

they really just tend to do their own thing

[outer plaza]

Guess I got the rp3+ where the sticks don't protrude as much

[lapis dome]

for me if I'm putting something in my pocket I want it to be flat

like I'd rather pocket the rgb10max3pro than the 353VS even though the max3pro is way larger, because it doesn't have the lumpy shoulder button shelf

my usual pocket handhelds are the rgb30, MM+, and q36 mini (soon to replace that last one with a 28xx)

so I basically want something in that kinda pocketability range but widescreen for GBA + PSP

(the shape the miyoo p60 was supposed to be)

[outer plaza]

Yeah I don't really keep it in my pocket

[rough cape]

Still no news of this release?

[misty mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassicpark-jurassic-parc-jurassic-jurassic-park-movie-jurrassic-park-gif-24925971

[dry current]

i reckon that now that the miyoo flip is gone probably they will keep it quiet, it seems that they're a little bit of aggressive on the competition with them

[rough cape]

Woah, the Miyoo flip is gone?! I've been gone from the scene for maybe a month

[dry current]

no, Sorry
not officially, but they're were sayings that was supposed to came out with the 2.8 new handled

[rough cape]

ah I see

[dry current]

i honestly think that will be like the p60 at this pojnt, but let see

[peak bobcat]

There were inconsistent rumours with the miyoo devices, most seemed to indicate they were going to be out separately rather than together and what varied was which one would be first. That does make sense really when you consider just how little ability they actually have to ship devices after all.

[dry current]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1101304832276562012/1230195755512365056/BM860Mq.png?ex=663318d4&is=6631c754&hm=8f299cf513e4e17f3de02c88aeb8b9613bad49b81dedb44ccd6f8d18f3219298&

i mean, this is the picture that was out, and they just released the a30 with another batch of miyoo mini

and around this tweet anbernic show the 35xx sp, to me seems that they were responding to those rumors

[proper chasm]

gogamegeek deleted that tweet btw

[dry current]

yeah i know, but the timing for the rest was right

i presume was more from miyoo side, now they don't have anymore a date for the flip

[proper chasm]

recent estimations are "this summer"

but man a30 launched in such a sorry state that I really don't wanna wait for the flip anymore

[granite shadow]

Once it does come out, if it does, it'll likely be the same story as the a30 and mini with small stock batches

And all selling out super fast etc

[peak bobcat]

The flip is supposed to be a 3566 as well, miyoo will get nosebleeds at the thought of working with such insane power levels in a handheld. 😄

[still imp]

I’d imagine the next 6 handheld comes out, then this

[lapis dome]

that's what I think too

406 🤞

or finally a tate mode/NDS portrait screen handheld

honestly if they launch a 960x720 pocketable 4" handheld with a t820 and it reviews well I'm selling my odin 2

[smoky yacht]

Once Kodi works out I tell ya...

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/E9z4pP3QtBs?si=R54uN9BJP3ivHoKi

[plain storm]

The software bezel threw me for a sec lol

[gloomy lichen]

Really looking forward to this, also really looking forward to the 406 so looks like Anbernic will get more of my money one way or another.

[fluid narwhal]

That software bezel is actually awesome and I want it

Confirms a sensor in the clamshell to put it into sleep

[opaque sorrel]

honestly that software bezel is an indication the screen has really good darks.

[granite shadow]

had the bezel show up on my 28xx, i removed it from there but it looks good here

[smoky yacht]

Hope this can be turned on or off, so that when a full on media player becomes available, I might be able to use it as a noise machine for sleep

[fluid narwhal]

Hopefully they just have it in settings

Though they might not want to allow consumers to do that and then complain it's not working. Plenty of handheld companies have that worry

[shell matrix]

Put a disclaimer on the settings menu that states that you void your warranty and any support if you continue

And that includes turning off the water noises on the menus

Thatd probably tank the company lmao

[narrow turret]

Why is the d-pad on the right?

[opaque sorrel]

Marketing thought the pic would look better with the screen to the left, so they reversed it but they didn't realize it would make this happen.

[narrow turret]

Yeah looked like a mirrored image. Weird

Hinge sounds solid

[robust axle]

So what’s the story, does this thing have that stupid logo protruding from the back of the screen or not? It isn’t visible in most of the shots in the video but it’s definitely noticeable in a few.

[low saddle]

Yeah, I was wondering that too 🤔

[fluid narwhal]

The device in main video seems to have the logo sunk in

And it might just look like it protrudes when the light is on

[shell matrix]

Mfw they make the light pop in and out

[low saddle]

If it auto sleeps when it closes, I'll take the dumb logo

[untold ibex]

Just bought a 28xx. Would still buy this

[fluid narwhal]

I got fooled by that bezel, I know it's not close to actually being identical to a SP but it gives perfect vibes

[untold ibex]

I just realized the shoulder buttons are designed the same way?

[low saddle]

Yeah, I thought they were showing a GBA SP for reference in the first shot

[fluid narwhal]

SP had shitty shoulder buttons, it fits

[plain storm]

square-gonomics

[shell matrix]

what do you want, stacked analog triggers?

[plain storm]

lol nah, I do wish there was a bit more space between them, but then where would they cram the HDMI no one uses

[urban pulsar]

The Tactile face buttons made the SP too powerful, they needed the debuff in shoulder buttons and size to make them a more balanced character handheld.

[lost grove]

Hmm, you can see the logo light bleed through the white(?) engineering sample.

[smoky yacht]

I just kinda wish these devices didn't COMPLETELY go for capturing the characteristics of ONE handheld - a handheld that had the best ergonomics of several select ones while still managing to have the "zeitgeist" aesthetic would probably be cuter

Like, RG35XX SP, but with a thicker and rounder base

[shell matrix]

Thicker and rounder? Hmmm

[plain storm]

Retroid Pocket Flip SP

Gotta do something with all those leftover hinges

[vapid tangle]

This does look more comfortable than the actual gba sp just because it's thicker

[smoky yacht]

I'm not exactly saying WIDER and empty

[plain storm]

Nah, like an SP style flip

[vapid tangle]

https://retrogamerepairshop.com/products/laminated-slate-by-makho?_pos=1&_sid=14bd6c32b&_ss=r someone just needs to make the equivalent to this or the boxypixel unhinged for this and we can finally have a vertical handheld!

[smoky yacht]

Ah, RP2 flip, instead of RP3 flip

[lost grove]

The buttons are ever so slightly more centered as well

[shell matrix]

I think an sp with the aesthetic styling of the more rounded sega consoles could be neat

[plain storm]

Gimme that Sega d-pad

[smoky yacht]

YES!! ABSOLUTELY! With clicky dome switch buttons swapped with old school membrane buttons as well!

[shell matrix]

Could recycle old make-up tins for the shdll

[vapid tangle]

I'm not at all a fan of the SP personally so I haven't really been considering either of these upcoming compact clamshells, but this does look pretty neat. I'm interested in at least seeing how it ends up faring

Oh shit wait does it have dome switch buttons to match the SP??? That would make me almost consider it lol

[plain storm]

Looks that way, I trust anbernic to get the hinge right out of any of them

[smoky yacht]

Doesn't have a lot of options left really

[smoky yacht]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gameboy/comments/t0hpgv/ive_silenced_the_gba_sps_buttons_now_curious/
Oh.

Yeah somebody gave GBA clicky buttons, and now somebody's giving GBASP soft buttons

[vapid tangle]

Hell yeah

I should try gba clicky buttons, though that's one system where I have nostalgia for it's original membranes so idk

I do have two modded original GBAs, I should probably try that on one of them

[lost grove]

Anyway, since all signs point toward this also being a H700, how's sleep mode working on 35XX Plus/H?

[outer plaza]

HDMI is like the most useful feature if a handheld has Bluetooth

[shell matrix]

My phone has Bluetooth and it doesn't need hdmi 🙂

[plain storm]

I've never once used either, I get it's a popular domestic market feature, but there are much less fiddly ways to play on a big screen. Most of the time I see people try it once or twice & then never use it again.

[shell matrix]

Hdmi is for boomers with bad eyesight and for people who invite girls over to watch Netflix but they pull out an old laptop full of torrents instead

[low saddle]

If it could Bluetooth to a controller I might get some use out of HDMI.

Probably not though

[lapis dome]

I mean if you own an x86 handheld or a laptop I dunno why you’d ever consolize a retro handheld

[shell matrix]

I can see the novelty

Or if you live in a bad area and don't want to risk taking a bag with your deck/laptop

Like to a friends house I mean

[shrewd creek]

Xperia Play design bottons.

[smoky yacht]

UI

[lapis dome]

ES-DE

[shell matrix]

What does Spanish and German have to do with anything

[smoky yacht]

Actually one valid thing

If you have quick resume

Play in the hand outside, play on the TV at night

[shell matrix]

That sounds wrong

[smoky yacht]

Well if Kodi gets implemented, we can unleash that untapped potential too

[outer plaza]

I use my retroid pocket 3+ like every time I'm at work for lunch

Just have an sn30pro and it's basically like a retro switch

Personally haven't done it with a Linux handheld tho so maybe it's different

[outer plaza]

A laptop is a lot more to bring around

And so is a steam deck

[plain storm]

Android is a lot less fiddly with video out than Linux, but it's still not a use-case most people care about

[outer plaza]

Becomes great when you basically have a dock ready to go at home

Don't need to have a second device to play games on your TV

Just plug in handheld and done

Save files all on one device, etc.

[plain storm]

I get it, but I already have other devices for that which are better suited for big screen, I'd wager most people here do

[outer plaza]

If the game runs on the little handheld and does HDMI out no problem to the TV seems well suited enough for me

It's not for everyone but hey if people try to convince companies to not include HDMI out on their devices I'll pull up hands lol

[plain storm]

It's a pain, especially on Linux devices, between turning BT on, pairing & plugging things in. The image quality is almost always bad too. That 720p the rp3+ outputs wouldn't look good on any of my displays. I'd rather save a few bucks & not have it 🤷‍♂️ On android devices, if the chipset supports it & it does video out over usb-c, sure, the hardware is already there so why not.

[outer plaza]

Guess I'll find out how painful it is if this device ever comes out, really different on Linux then eh

Though seems like anbernic has been competitive on pricing so hope that's true for this one too

[plain storm]

Just more of a pain than it's worth imo, android too, but especially Linux.

Yah I'm sure this one will be in like the $60-$70 range, they seem to be taking aim directly at miyoo so they'll be aggressive price wise again

[outer plaza]

Soon TM

[sand spade]

If this runs on the same chipset as the other 35xx handhelds I'm considering this.

[peak bobcat]

I'd suspect no more than $60, other than the hinge it doesn't have any additional costs and doesn't have sticks so saves a bit there

[plain storm]

I'm hoping they just used off the shelf replacement SP or DS hinge mechanisms instead of going the Retroid route & engineering their own. Keeps r&d costs down, lowers the price for customers & makes it more repair friendly

[outer plaza]

Yeah true if they stick to hinge standard even if it's not the greatest would be repairable

I know some people swear by original SP hinges only tho

[urban pulsar]

Yeah, all the aftermarket hinges suck. And getting oem hinges for something like this (aka, not just using the ones you already have in your SP’s old shell for a reshell), it’s around $12-$20.

[still imp]

Man anbernic is really stunting on miyoo lol

[cosmic harbor]

They can also just ride the wave of having the privilege of being the first quality made clamshell off to the races and slap a $75 tag on it and people will still devour it, and then knock 10 bucks off whenever the rest of em catch up. I know I'd still buy it day 1 anyway.

[nova wigeon]

is it just me or does this look like a brick when closed

like this looks too thick to be a comfortable pocket carry

[jade sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/extra-thicc-extra-thicc-thick-extra-thick-gif-21812607

[keen grove]

the sacrifices we must make for the Clamshell clan to reign supreme

[limber frigate]

I just want Powkiddy to shadow drop the v91 with wifi and a better cpu

then theyll both come to market lol

[keen grove]

Clamshell fans just win there

hell I'd be hyped if PK released the "V91" with the JZ4770 and Adam

[thin surge]

https://tenor.com/bbVkc.gif

[thin surge]

Anbernic's flip looking a lot better than Miyoo's atm

Huge market gap for it since the V90 is dated af

would be nice if Powkiddy jumped in with an upgraded V90

[obtuse wraith]

i really surprised that its so unsaturated. Must be hinge issues ultimately? If an even slightly better chip fits in the v90 form factor its a seller. I think the hinge is fine after however many years its been out. Take that design and put out the V100 or V90v2 or some shit.
The take my money meme never applied so hard.

[untold ibex]

They’ll have an end of summer sale where it drops down to $40 eventually

[lapis dome]

the problem is they'd need a new shell mold made either way because they'll need a different screen

the v90 screen would not fly today

my money would be on powkiddy updating the x18s shell before they update the v90 shell

[rain rampart]

speaking from experience carrying a real gba sp as a kid, its comfy enough unless your pockets are super small

[lapis dome]

it will probably be about as pocketable as the MM+, a little thicker and a hair wider but then a decent bit shorter

[lapis dome]

yeah

[rain rampart]

i saw that stroke you deleted

[lapis dome]

I was wiping my laptop screen with a microfibre cloth and decided to do the keyboard while I was at it lol

but yeah the SP is thicker than the MM by 2mm (roughly 10% thicker) and then the anbernic looks like it might be a hair thicker than the SP again

it looks way thicker in the video because of how much thinner the top part of the shell is

I expect it to be within 2 or 3 mm at most based on the videos in terms of thickness when closed

just a bit more bottom heavy than the SP

from this photo it looks like there is a slight step down from the 35xxSP to the GBASP

so that's where I'm getting it being a little thicker comes from

looks a bit wider and taller too

like 1-2mm larger in all three dimensions

[thin surge]

surely the screen will be 3:2?

to be the same aspect ratio as the GBA

[lapis dome]

I doubt it

probably 3.5" 640x480 like the 35xxH/+

luckily the h700 has a gpu so you can do some shaders to deal with the uneven res scale

the video had a software bezel under the gba gameplay

[thin surge]

the 3.5" 640x480 is more versatile for an all rounder device, I admit

[lapis dome]

yeah, I can sympathize with wanting a perfect GBA handheld even if that compromises some other systems (though 3" 720x480 is a screen that exists...) but at the same time my personal use for a clamshell like this would be PSX rpgs

[hard raptor]

I seem to be the only person who thinks 3:2 GBA games look fantastic on a 3.5" 640x480 screen without any shaders or filters. The pixels all look clean and sharp around the edges to my eyes, so I never understood what all the scaling full was about. Yeah, it's not a perfect integer scale, but everything looks nice and sharp to my eyes.

[lapis dome]

the issue is individual pixels can shrink or grow as they scroll across the screen

so you get a weird shimmer effect on backgrounds in sidescrollers or moving projectiles just look kinda 'dirty'

it's not like terrible but I do prefer to use the sharp shimmerless shader just to smooth it out a bit

https://github.com/Woohyun-Kang/Sharp-Shimmerless-Shader this has a great 3 way comparison shot

the examples there are 240p game on 320p screen, which is a worse scenario than 240x160 game on 640x480 screen though so the differences are even more subtle on GBA and a 480p handheld

[sand spade]

how does this differ from sharp bilinear simple

that also aims to reduce shimmering

[lapis dome]

that's the left comparison in that video

[sand spade]

no

sharp bilinear is different from sharp bilinear simple

[lapis dome]

how does it differ?

sharp bilinear reduces shimmering but it also interpolates more pixels (which causes a bit of blur)

sharp shimmerless is meant to have fewer interpolated pixels so it's chunkier than the bilinear filtering stuff

[sand spade]

it does an automatic interger prescale based on the image

separately for horizontal and vertical

[lapis dome]

the biliear with prescale is shown on the right image (in this case 2x which I assume is what the simple would select for you when talking about a 240p game on a 320p screen)

which sharpens a lot compared to the one with no prescale but introduces shimmering due to aliasing

[sand spade]

i mean the point of the simple shader is to also reduce shimmering and pixel wobble

so i was wondering how it would compare

[lapis dome]

Yeah, would have to do a similar side by side to see if the simple is any better than the two already shown

[keen grove]

pops on LCD3X

[lapis dome]

I feel like 2.66x res isn't enough to get as good of a grid as I'd like

like I want each pixel to be transformed into at least a 3x3 square so you can have the centre part be brighter than the edges

[keen grove]

I just want the grid look to give me that vibe of the old GBA screen

[lapis dome]

yeah, I use grid shaders on some stuff

mostly GB though

especially with the lack of colour I want the grid

[keen grove]

it's mostly a game by game thing for me with GBA

with GB/C I set it for the whole core

[lapis dome]

GBC I'm on the fence for grid or not

[rain rampart]

i lcd grid all 3 gameboy systems

certain ds games also really benefit from it

[lapis dome]

I like to LCD grid GBA on higher res screens (like my odin 2)

it looks a bit too dirty to me on 480p

haven't tried it on a 720 yet

[hidden sky]

Can do GBA grid on 480p with GammaOS defaults. Enable gba lcd shader, make sure normal4x cpu filter still applied

[lapis dome]

I'll have to try it on my 405v - right now I'm playing drilldozer on it just with the sharp shimmerless and no grid

[vagrant mauve]

yeah i'm on lcd3x camp, even on home consoles

really brings pixel games to life

[lapis dome]

I'm of two minds on this - I like CRT shaders on a big high res screen (like my computer monitor or laptop) but CRT on a low res screen is a hard effect to do well and CRT on a handheld feels incredibly anachronistic

so yeah an LCD grid shader on a home console game almost is like 'what if they ported this snes game to gameboy colour?'

or 'what if nintendo made the nomad instead of sega'?

[vagrant mauve]

to me crt doesn't make sense on something you're holding, no

and for me the nostalgic handheld vibe is a very noticeable lcd grid

although probably my most time emulating gba has been on my pc with 2xsai lmao

dumbass kid

[lapis dome]

I use megabezel on my desktop because I can’t have my 4060 just sitting idle while I play 8/16 bit pixel games

[shell matrix]

Crt needs to make a comeback

CRT Analogue Pocket when

Aka CR(T)AP

[lapis dome]

I’m honestly surprised nobody is selling a modern CRT lol

Some arcade purists out there would pay thousands for a “perfect” brand new one surely

[keen grove]

if Analogue was making those CRTs it'd be well over $600 before taxes and shipping

[rain rampart]

i saw some new ones from china recently

it would probly be possible to miniaturize the electron gun and cathode tube now with the lasers we have available today

[sleek mulch]

ds and playstation will be fine on this device

[keen grove]

clamshell FF9 here we goo

[lapis dome]

Yeah the gba sp is probably not the most ergonomic shape for action games but this looks like a hell of a pocket rpg machine

[quiet stag]

clamshell FF7 here we goo

[lapis dome]

FFT*

[keen grove]

Fire Emblem

hopefully the battery life will be good

[granite shadow]

considering what theyve been able to achieve with the 28xx, if they get a good enough chip with a big enough battery, i could see it being impressive

[keen grove]

new best pocket pal on the way it seems

[rain rampart]

its supposed to be the same chip

[granite shadow]

if they get larger than a 3100mah battery in there then, i imagine itll do well

[lapis dome]

yeah I think part of the 28xx battery life is the screen being small and not super bright

but the h700 is an efficient chip

[granite shadow]

way better than the A30 lol

[lapis dome]

2-ish year old SoC vs 12-ish year old SoC

[granite shadow]

yeah

[rain rampart]

should still easily see 6 hours with the bigger screen its gonna have

and a 3k mah battery

which i think we can agree is "enough"

heck if the 28xx only did 4 it would still be good

[lapis dome]

the 35xx plus is 3300 mAh so maybe that's what we'll get in the SP

[rain rampart]

hopefully

[lapis dome]

the extra 200mAh probably wouldn't be enough to offset the bigger screen and (hopefully) wifi but it should be as good as the plus battery life wise

since if this has wifi it's just a 35xx plus in clamshell shape

[rain rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/want-futurama-fry-gif-5027744

[hard raptor]

I already have a RG35XX Plus with Batocera that's my go-to small handheld, but I gotta admit I do kinda want a 28XX and a 35XX SP as well even though they're the exact same thing as what I already have but in a different form factor XD

[cosmic harbor]

The fond memories of years past with my cousins and our SPs playing under the cover in bed and slamming them shut when parents came in mean this is a mandatory buy for me, thank you papa Anbernic

[granite shadow]

i had a gba and a gb micro and an sp all in my collection at one point... same idea, same power but different form factor

Now its just the micro and the 28xx

[low saddle]

This was me too but with my nephews (we're only a few years apart). I've already considered buying them one of these things 😅

[smoky yacht]

You can certainly try one of those. Usually it's integer prescale -> additional scaling w/ linear interpolation that makes everything just work

[soft tide]

Play Eternal Darkness

[wise patio]

I recommend looking in the pixel-art-scaling directory in the standard RetroArch shaders for alternative shaders. (On GLSL, most are still in the interpolation directory.) There's many methods to choose from there that do not rely on an external repository -- you can simply get them with RA's online updater.
I compared a bunch of them and then made my own some time ago. Most of them offer really similar performance to each other.
Some criticism on the "sharp shimmerless" shader:

• They compare against the shittiest resampling methods instead of representative methods such as bandlimit-pixel. No wonder their shader looks better.
• The implementation is inefficient / bad. It uses a lot of branching and other no-nos like doing excessive work in the frag shader and doing floating point ==s.

Also @hidden sky

[hidden sky]

any specfic shader you would recommend with vulkan?

[violet wyvern]

i don't think Miyoo will be able to beat this

[wise patio]

I would recommend one of the following:

• pixellate.slangp: Simple and extremely efficient.
• bandlimit-pixel.slangp: The most sound of them all in terms of signal processing theory. You can even read a blog post about it: https://themaister.net/blog/2018/08/25/pseudo-bandlimited-pixel-art-filtering-in-3d-a-mathematical-derivation/
• pixel-aa.slangp: Similar to pixellate but with more options. You can change the desired sharpness. It also supports subpixel resampling for all subpixel layouts.
  Disclaimer: I made pixel-aa.
  The benefit of those is that they're maintained and available with all versions of RA through the official repositories.
  All of these are available also with gl drivers as GLSL shaders, not just for Vulkan drivers.

[hidden sky]

Thanks, will check those out

[wise patio]

Cool, I'm curious if you make any comparisons with "sharp shimmerless".

[heavy skiff]

can't wait for reviewers to get one into their hands

[slim zinc]

Quit getting me hyped! I have no mouth and I must pog

[bleak stirrup]

I like this a lot. I assume that when the lid is flipped to close, the device will hit sleep / hibernate mode. Sadly, this chip still drains a fair bit of battery when in that mode.

Not keen on the logo on top but not end of the world.