ZPG A1 Unicorn

[urban hollow]

Psp coop no less lol 😆

Did anything support that lol 😆

Maybe 15 games over wifi?

[wise swan]

over wifi I'm not sure, but I believe there were quite a few games with adhoc local multiplayer

and ppsspp supports that

[mint ginkgo]

every racing, fighting, and sportsball game for starters. easily over 20 titles. otherwise, check in here:
https://www.co-optimus.com/system/8/psp.html#

be mindful, this doesn't include european releases and japanese games with english translations. You won't see Fate/Tiger Colosseum Battle on that list.

[true elbow]

Not a fan of this 1:1 "trend". Black bars or pico8 basically

[graceful pelican]

It's a good thing they aren't the only devices available lol

[mint ginkgo]

it's an acquired taste kind of like 4:3 flatscreen moniters

[ripe estuary]

That comment is about wording and branding on the screen

[true elbow]

My issue is with uneven screen wear and image retention. Around the edges stripes can become quite noticable

[true elbow]

4:3 is the best

[mint ginkgo]

that's an interesting rumination. the assumption is you're going to play it enough to burn in the screen

i think if your use case is like "at break at work, or before bed," you maybe only play 4-5 hours a week. its not enough to get burn in.

[graceful pelican]

I've never gotten burn in on any device playing with bars on the sides. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Maybe I just don't play games enough.

Seems like it just isn't the device for you. Luckily there are 16:9 devices and 4:3 devices if you're that worried about it. This "trend" isn't impacting new devices coming out that aren't 1:1 so I'm confused as to why it is you're this caring about it. Lol

[true elbow]

Just saying. There aren't that many 4:3 afaict sadly

[graceful pelican]

You can get a 405m or v. Both can play up through some PS2. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Plenty of options on weaker chips.

[vale willow]

If you can burn in an LCD screen, that would be pretty insane

[true elbow]

5:4 would be amazing for pal ps1. Like 640x512

[true elbow]

Maybe you just haven't noticed your edges yet lol. It's subtle I guess but once you see it it's annoying. So don't look for it lol. Basically ghost bars when playing a game full screen

[vale willow]

If it's on the edges, it's more likely a light leak rather than burn-in.

And that's more of a QC issue.

[true elbow]

It's on the edges because that's where the black bars are. Not light leak

[vale willow]

Black bars generally don't cause burn-in particularly on the edges of an LCD screen but okay..

[true elbow]

In my experience they can and do cause a visible difference. Sometimes more noticable if they intersect a hud element on a full screen game eg points. It almost looks like the screen is bevelled

[vale willow]

Alright then the ZPG A1 is not right for you then.

Many other consoles out there with different aspect ratios

[mortal cobalt]

Cropped NES is full screen on this (240x240), if you can handle a slight vertical stretch you could do full screen GB/GBC/NGPC, arcade will have black bars but some one way and some another since some games use portrait screens

[opaque glacier]

You could always use those custom bezels that fill in those black bars if you're worried about that

[graceful pelican]

That's what I said. Not sure what the point is of hanging out in this channel to complain about a device when there are many options but just for you. Lol

[urban hollow]

Yeah that’s for the ktr1 channel not here

https://tenor.com/view/nope-im-out-nope-nope-nope-see-ya-bye-gif-16729142

[true elbow]

Lol sorry i spoke

[graceful pelican]

Don't let it happen again sir! 🤣

Kidding. Obviously. 🍻

[real falcon]

Retrocn has not posted the latest videos here yet. PS2 gow looks good.

If you have access to his discord, go check them out.

[heavy dagger]

do I hear dome switch abxy??

[fallow pumice]

It better not be, I do not need to spend the money on this thing!

[graceful pelican]

You already know you're spending money on this lol

[tacit spindle]

@wise yew do you know how limited the run will be for international orders? And are you going to be the seller?

[wise yew]

there will be no limitation to international orders. no i wont. but i will do some favour
let's wait.

[graceful pelican]

We've waited long enough. 😂

[wise yew]

Setting up preorder for international buyers is a very complex thing...

[graceful pelican]

I was just kidding man. Everyone can wait. 🍻

[pastel quarry]

@wise yew do domestic China orders ship first? q2?

[wise yew]

Yes. International orders wont be very late

[pastel quarry]

@wise yew I ordered domestic China 😄

[real falcon]

Ok race is on.
This or anbernic version.

[mortal cobalt]

The anbernic version we don’t even know the SoC or price and it seems oddly analog stick focused (moreso than this)

May or may not even be equivalent products

[real falcon]

Sorry misread the message from retrocn. It is 'wont be very late'. Lol

[tacit spindle]

Sorry where's the anbernic version info? I haven't heard anything about it

[ripe estuary]

I am excited for this. Hopefully they are able to figure international shipping soon.

[jaunty abyss]

Does the anbernic version also have a 1:1 screen?

Is the anbernic version in the room with us right now?

[mortal cobalt]

It was just a pic of a 1:1 thing that looked vaguely like a dreamcast controller

No other details

[wise yew]

@mortal cobalt

L1R1 works perfectly

[severe breach]

Well shit I'm sold

[heavy dagger]

@wise yew will it have hall sensing sticks?

[wise yew]

yes

[heavy dagger]

and was I correct in assuming that it has dome switch abxy?

[heavy dagger]

are they the same footprint as joycon sticks and will they be available for purchase?

[mortal cobalt]

Beyond hyped tbh

[heavy dagger]

those sticks look reeally nice

i'm used to the standard joycon mold and i don't love em

[wise yew]

not sure

[pastel quarry]

(from qq)

[graceful pelican]

Oh go back to the first video 😅

Gonna be a rad little device.

[wise yew]

What is you qq nickname? LOL

[mortal cobalt]

I love that white and red

Screens look good

[urban hollow]

That purple

[graceful pelican]

I'll be the only one with the black one

until roofpooper dyes a white one and changes my mind

[silver sentinel]

The black with red buttons and d-pad would look nice

[urban hollow]

That purple is so rich I love it.

None of this anbernic purple gross stuff

[mortal cobalt]

Front firing speakers 😍

[urban hollow]

Lots to like

That’s how you do a translucent purple

Is it transparent? I can’t see on my display but I love the vibrancy

[civic blade]

Looks like it, not the most transparent purple I’ve seen through a pic but things like the speakers are noticeable

[mortal cobalt]

It does look really good but if I can avoid all black controls that’s what’s in going to do

The red controls are 100% what sells me on the white one

[civic blade]

This is the second time I’m seeing this dpad style with the arc devices being the first, what controller is it originally from?

Does it have benefits over a traditional cross only dpad? Easier diagonals or something?

[mortal cobalt]

The arc one is modelled after the later sega megadrive/Japanese Saturn controllers, this one looks more like the sega game gear one

[civic blade]

Ah, I know nothing about sega consoles/devices

[mint ginkgo]

this device is looking more godtier by the day.

it's like... the Hand Banana of handhelds, and the KTR1 is Carl

[ripe estuary]

I do love Carl

[civic blade]

https://tenor.com/view/dna-productions-monkey-jimmy-neutron-gif-17313140

[marsh lichen]

lowkey the best transparent purple I've seen on any devices

[ripe estuary]

would love to order one of thes this month.

[heavy dagger]

aw man purples are never that good fuck

[mortal cobalt]

The purple is mildly tempting but the white and red SLAPS

[gusty karma]

Are there any news regarding ordering, price etc?

[pastel quarry]

chinese orders are open since 01/01 - that's it

[urban hollow]

If I pretend Canada is in China can we just nod and wink.. then ship it here

[mortal cobalt]

I'll have to contact the Chinese Embassy here to work something out

there's one in vancouver 😉

[urban hollow]

I know where they park

The diplomat vehicles 🚗

[mortal cobalt]

a friend of mine is taking mandarin through a course sponsored by the chinese consulate

[urban hollow]

Wonderful

[mortal cobalt]

I've been tempted to do the same

[urban hollow]

I used to work the area for cintas haha 😛

[mortal cobalt]

becuase I need more hobbies

[mortal cobalt]

we use canadian linen so I guess we have beef now

[urban hollow]

I’ll just… damn I threw away my old uniform lol 😆

Nah

All the same sorry sods hating their jobs

Cintas just paid the most

[mortal cobalt]

this is the vibe I get from the Canadian Linen drivers too

[urban hollow]

And stole the most from their employees

I had a 120k year but they found “ways” to bring it down to 70k

[pastel quarry]

https://zpocket-game.cn/ just find someone with wechat pay to buy it

you'll be in the first 2000 units

[mortal cobalt]

I can be patient and wait for the international release

[urban hollow]

Checked the f out after that lol and got my 3 year company package of shit and left

Yeah. I’m not going to risk a third party right now

[karmic wind]

That’s a lot of handheld sold!

[mint ginkgo]

Zhang sighting. also, people just playing around with it.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV14M4y1q7ZR/

[karmic wind]

In the web page, a video showing 3ds running so well in A1.

[unborn tinsel]

are those color options in the video CN only?

I don't remember seeing those on the website

[karmic wind]

The one shown in the video above is not A1. Its the LGWing, a one off 50 sets handheld.

[unborn tinsel]

I see

[vale willow]

Waiting is always good. Let the early adopters be lab rats to see if there are any issues 🙈

[graceful pelican]

That's the only attitude that gets us through the wait haha

[wise yew]

https://youtu.be/rhntkBexL6s?si=EYNgbpHO9ceDIS1r

[rancid dust]

oh so this will have a different screen than the snowcake

[gleaming bobcat]

Yeah same screen as rgb30

The G99 in the A1 Unicorn is pretty close to the SD765G in the LG Wing Snowcake on the CPU performance side but snapdragon usually has the GPU advantage because of drivers

[native reef]

Can the g99 handle much GameCube?

[feral cloak]

heavily tweak with pal roms.

no better than the t618

[urban hollow]

It is a step up from the t618 but not a d1200 obviously

Slightly better performance can be expected. What “slightly” means is up for debate in this matter. That said it is something.

[feral cloak]

1 or 2 frames

[urban hollow]

You expect so little lol 😆

https://tenor.com/view/slow-sloth-smole-laugh-slow-motion-gif-7383871

[feral cloak]

well I own a ktr1 🤣 , the difference between to the 2 in performance is not large enough to matter. 😕 instead of playing ps2 games at 1x on a t618 device, I can play it at 1.25x on a g99 device. For gc is only a 2 to 3 fps different. I also prefer accuracy over speed hacks.

[urban hollow]

Fair fair enough

[mortal cobalt]

At this point for ps2/gc… just buy the damn odin 2

This will shine at Naomi era arcade stuff

[native reef]

There are weirdos like me who don’t like the Odin

[mint ginkgo]

ha ha ha dogmatic thinking.

[mortal cobalt]

Unfortunately who the hell knows how far out we are from getting an s8g2 equivalent device in another form factor

[silver sentinel]

Years likely, most companies are perfectly fine with very minor spec bumps

[meager tapir]

I hope by next year d1100 and 8gb becomes the standard in the industry so we finally get badass handhelds in all form factors. I'm gonna have to wind up holding off on the unicorn and the 406m due to specs, the rp4pro just has too big a performance gap for higher emulation

[mortal cobalt]

I am thankful for not caring that much about ps2 and gc

I grew up with nes, snes, GBC, ps1, n64, psp, ms-dos, and a bit of arcade

[meager tapir]

For real I often wish I had nostalgia goggles for older 2d shstems, it'd really open up the handhelds I can use as main devices. The earliest systems they have games I like are N64 and PS1 but I don't like enough games on them to justify carrying a system everywhere just for them and once you get to PS2 I love so many games there I don't go back to older games. It only gets worse as even newer systems I like like 3ds,vita and switch become a thing. I do think I could gladly get into pico 8 if it was a 90s system instead of an 80s system. I love the idea of a fake console with uncomplicated controls and games you can just jump into and have fun it's just they went too far for me

[mortal cobalt]

Yeah I realized after getting an odin 2 I have no idea what ps2/GC games I’d even want to play lol

I’ve been using it more for yuzu than aether/dolphin

[brazen nova]

Paper Mario goated 🐐

[tacit spindle]

Burnout take down is always great. Tony hawk underground as well

[urban hollow]

I play the last two on ps2 lol

Achievements ftw

Also where the g99 could help a bit I think with the multi cores right?

Mind you I haven’t tested burnout takedown yet on my Odin 2

[mortal cobalt]

I’ll probably play tony hawk underground 1+2 soon

I do like those games

[real falcon]

As much as I like the conversion happening here, where is the news? How is the Chinese campaign going?

[pastel quarry]

May delivery for China I heard

[ripe estuary]

any news outside of China

[meager gull]

Please, just release this. Lol

Been iffy on pulling the trigger on a RGB30 but I guess I can wait a little longer.

[real falcon]

People in China are starting to go home for Chinese New year. New year is on Feb 9th this year. If there is any movement, it will be after that.

[graceful pelican]

I had an rgb30, sold it, bought another one while waiting for this because I needed that 1:1 in my life again haha.

[mortal cobalt]

I’ll be keeping my RGB30 even if I get this for portmaster and pico 8

[urban hollow]

Anbernic has been shipping rg35xx+ units with pico 8 games on the sd cards. Doesn’t surprise me but I shook my head when I found them.

[unkempt pier]

It's worth it - even if just for PICO 8

[dire marsh]

whats that

a surface duo grip

[queen parrot]

The Sugar Cube Alliance is really coming out with some really cool things. I love the custom options that are emerging in the Chinese market. These are running a Microsoft Surface Duo modified into this custom shell

The research and development of Sugar Cube Alliance dual-screen case handheld console has been completed. 1899 yuan. Sugar Cube Alliance has a lot of handheld works

[wise swan]

1899 CNY isn't bad if it includes the surface duo

but that would make it a limited run product like the lg wing handheld

also out of scope of this thread

[tough cave]

That Surface Duo controller is amazing. I don't love DS/3DS enough to make it worthwhile, but every times I see a Duo used for emulation I get this strange itch.

[meager gull]

It's an ich worth scratching.

Gamecube emulation to me is good on it.

[whole pine]

I realise it's off topic but that price is just the controller. Not including the Surface Duo

[wise swan]

https://tenor.com/view/randy-jackson-no-gif-19848733

[rugged zinc]

@native reef Interesting, what don't you like about the Odin? Is it maybe too Modern for your taste or is it something else?

[rugged zinc]

Can't say this, the ZPG A1 Unicorn has a Touchscreen the RGB30 doesn't.

[rugged zinc]

More than the T618 and A311D. Just not more than a Dimensity 900 if that's what you want to know. 🙂

[rugged zinc]

I'll be happy if we get a Dual-Booting equivalent to that Chipset.

[severe breach]

I know you didn't ask me, but as a person not crazy about the Odin, it's largely its size coupled with how tiny the sticks are. It's just not that comfy to hold.

[native reef]

Pretty much what @severe breach said, the right stick placement wasn’t comfortable for me. Also the screen has a bit of ghosting. Otherwise it’s a great device.

[meager gull]

You can always play the pc engine version, that one is very similar gameplay to the arcade and has improved music

[gleaming bobcat]

Yeah I'm comparing the cpus and gpus. I don't care about the touch screen

Oh maybe you responded to the wrong message and meant to hit the one about same screen. You're right about that

[rugged zinc]

That's fair, I was just curious.

@native reef Thank You, I was just curious.

[pastel quarry]

I got an email about this as I preordered in China, they are in production and have added a small gift pack to preorders

[pastel quarry]

they are in PREproduction I mean

case mold and main board

[meager gull]

Whats the pre-order link?

[pastel quarry]

https://zpocket-game.com/

https://zpocket-game.cn/

[mortal cobalt]

is that price in chinese yuan?

so like 130-ish usd

probably a slight premium on top of conversion for international buyers

[pastel quarry]

yes

I think I preordered the cheaper one

[mortal cobalt]

yeah 6+128 vs 8+256

[queen parrot]

Is there a message anywhere about when these might possibly ship

[pearl agate]

Shipping should start in May

[queen parrot]

Thank you sir

[feral cloak]

so getting it in white

[latent island]

What on earth is this infernal creation?

[pearl agate]

Android handheld gaming device.

[rancid dust]

a masterpiece

well almost

[queen parrot]

this thing looks stunning in person

[rancid dust]

its a gorgeous masterpiece ❤️

[weary lodge]

Hows the dpad feel?

[graceful pelican]

I love the psx/nes labels for the buttons. 😅

[rancid dust]

its a reaaaaaally good dpad

its dome switched but feels very soft since it has a membrane

so its not too clicky

I've been using mine a lot for 3ds,its such a good ds/3ds machine

[jaunty abyss]

That’s an lg wing though right? Not a zpg a1

[marsh lichen]

Do we not have a snowcake channel?

Oh we don't lol

[karmic wind]

How is the performance of the 3ds and if you can show the 3ds screen size on it? ty vm

[rancid dust]

Yeah only maybe 20 of them exist so sadly no channel fo rit

[rancid dust]

Very smooth except for very heavy games like the new 3ds ones and luigi mansion 2

Well this is something I recorder couple of weeks ago but that how it looks

[graceful pelican]

These aren't available in the US yet are they?

[plain raft]

Ever since selling my RGB30 I’ve had my eye on this. It looks pretty incredible to me, super psyched to see reviews because I will prob buy as a companion to the RP4P

Are these available to order in the US yet?

[small grove]

this can't be true. I've seen a ton of them all over XianYu

unless they're clone devices somehow but I dunno how you'd get that screen

[plain raft]

Does there exist more footage/impressions from end users? Or are all of these review or prerelease units?

[small grove]

Not sure what you mean? I'm talking about the DIY project that the A1 appears to be based on. Can be found on the big secondhand shop app in China but impossible to find anywhere else.

[rancid dust]

a ton like a lot of content from 3-4 accounts or from several accounts?

I know a lot of em exists in china

but outside of china I think maybe 20 exist

[small grove]

Not sure as I just see em on my xianyu homepage a lot. I imagine just a handful of people making them if not just the one guy who made the original.

If you're talking about outside of China then yeah that makes sense. Probably 20 at most.

[pearl agate]

There were 7 batches of them made. But I think batches 6&7 were the only ones easily available outside of China. Not sure how many were part of each batch but I’d imagine at least 50-100. There are quite a few second hand ones available, but they can’t be bought new anymore.

I own two of them.

[rancid dust]

happy to see a decent amount exists

its a beautiful device that deserves to be in the hands of people

[pearl agate]

I have an earlier batch and then one from batch 6. Batches 6&7 do not have the camera anymore

[small grove]

been tempted to get one for a while now, but I'm not a huge fan of the metal shell or the random logos/icons they all seem to have on 'em

[rancid dust]

ahh mine must be latest batch then, mine doesn't have a camera

but tbh the camera is not needed xD

its a good device but it has some mild issues, mainly on software side

I'd love gamma on it

[karmic wind]

Thanks for sharing the experience with it.

[karmic wind]

can the rgb30 runs 3ds games? ty

[rancid dust]

no it cannot

[graceful pelican]

Luckily all the 3ds titles I like have an NDS version.

[queen parrot]

https://youtu.be/kvG-DfQc49I?si=0-G0G2eMZaZ8KRVW

More footage there

And yes this thing is freaking amazing for 3DS I'm playing in a more natural 3DS way than I have on any other unit but it's upscaled and looks gorgeous on the OLED screen

[rancid dust]

yeah 3ds on it is very good

prime 3ds experience

[lyric phoenix]

Why'd you sell the RGB30? Just didn't click for you?

[plain raft]

Software experience and hardware quality wasn’t my favorite. Screen and size were perfect tho, so the Unicorn seems like the RGB evolved

[whole pine]

Are there full dimensions for the ZPG A1 Unicorn?

[real falcon]

Can we rename this channel to ZPG snowcake? Seems that is all being posted.

[mortal cobalt]

The snowcake is over

[urban hollow]

Snow cake is dead

Legacy device now as it’s no longer being produced.

[mortal cobalt]

the ZPG a1 is meant to be a mass produced successor

[rancid dust]

yeah the snowcake sadly will never exist

[civic blade]

Pretty sure they were just poking fun at the fact that people were only talking about the snowcake in here, not saying it’s what this device is

[shell jolt]

Can this be ordered to ship to USA officially, yet? Might dump my RGB30 for this.

[pearl agate]

Not until April or May

[ripe estuary]

Hoping for april

[rapid timber]

this display is 3:4 right?

[ripe estuary]

I thought it was 1:1 maybe not.

[mortal cobalt]

1:1 720x720

I wish it were 3:4

[rapid timber]

why does it look like it's taller than it is wide

apparently it's 1080x1240

or at least some version of it is idk

[ripe estuary]

We may never know for sure.

[mint ginkgo]

People like it in China at least

[mortal cobalt]

That’s the lg wing handheld - the unicorn is 720x720

[rapid timber]

I see.

[rapid timber]

fuck that's so nice

[mortal cobalt]

Yeah so that one is the lg wing I think

The unicorn is meant to be a mass produced handheld instead of a hacked up lg wing phone

[rapid timber]

wow

I want the LG Wing one lmao

[ripe estuary]

Vita sticks? NoooooooooNono

[rapid timber]

better than joycon sticks imo

[ripe estuary]

No L/R3 is always bad. Plus baby sticks are so small

[pastel quarry]

Email went out to preorders just now

preproduction batch aimed for next month

[real falcon]

To ppl who signed up on the website? I haven't seen one.

[mortal cobalt]

I assume he means in Asia

[pastel quarry]

Yes, Chinese website

[olive karma]

we all do

[mortal cobalt]

I almost wish the unicorn had used a 480x640 4” screen in portrait

Would integer scale portrait cabs for the most part

[olive karma]

still waiting for a 2:3 vertical

[rugged zinc]

When is this Handheld going on sale!? 😭

[wise yew]

April or May. For international buyers. No preorder

[rugged zinc]

@wise yew Thank You

[mortal cobalt]

any review units going out to the usual suspects? retro game corps, etc?

[wise yew]

Yes. That's the plan

And a dev unit for gammaos

[tacit spindle]

Do you know if they will be available to ship to Australia?

[mortal cobalt]

oh man if this gets gamma lite I'm definitely sold

[wise yew]

I will double check. Should be fine

[mortal cobalt]

I love gamma lite on my 405v

[queen parrot]

I think this is going to go over very well. I'm certainly going to do my share of informing the gaming public about this new handheld. I really think this could be the start of much more exposure to the US of these awesome handhelds

[wise yew]

I have been helping the team to test and improve the engineering units. So far things are on track

By the way, 8+256 model will be cancelled due to increaseed cost of materials

6+128 is totally powerful enough

No huge difference when playing ps2 titles

[mortal cobalt]

that sounds like the right decision

the type of people who want high specs aren't going to be happy with a g99

[spark current]

Do you know if USB-C TO USB-C charging is working?

This is an annoyance on PowKiddy devices, they don't support this. It seems rather trivial to add the required resistors.

[severe breach]

IIRC the RG ARC has a screen like you're describing, and it's SUPPOSED to be in portrait mode, but they have it rotated 90°. Which makes for some... fun issues in some things. So yeah that screen would have been perfect in this.

[mortal cobalt]

would be better for arcade, worse obviously for anything 4:3

the 720x720 is great for NES

[heavy dagger]

Holy moly

[mortal cobalt]

Honestly if this gets gamma lite it might become my daily driver

Right now I kinda split my time between the odin 2 (for power), the RGB30 (for the 720x720), the 405v (for nostalgia/ergo) and the rg arc (for that dpad) and this could be a nice middle ground between all of those

[heavy dagger]

with good 3ds emulation this is like a 2ds but better

a 2ds that can play vampire survivors...

[fallen hinge]

If preorders for this open up in April I might end up buying it.
But April also might be a competitive month if rumors about the Miyoo Flip and Retroid and Anbernic next devices are to be believed.

[graceful pelican]

What were the rumors of retroid releasing in April?

[fallen hinge]

Just speculation but the Pocket Flip released last April so some think that’s when the Flip 2 will release

[graceful pelican]

First I've heard of that. Some...😅

That's been a rumor forever.

[civic blade]

It would have been announced by now if it’s going to release in April

[graceful pelican]

So would anbernic lol

Well maybe not anbernic. I don't recall them giving much notice on the H or the 556

[mortal cobalt]

It was announced months ago

[civic blade]

Flip 2?

[mortal cobalt]

Oh sorry I thought you meant the unicorn

[ripe estuary]

Retroid likes to take their time. Because everyone became a bitch ass. When they released the RP3+, two months after the RP3.

[dusty thicket]

Link goes to a dead page though

[graceful pelican]

They should take their time, not because of that but because of the hinge and trigger issues haha.

[ripe estuary]

I just take my time buying anything new they drop

[graceful pelican]

I pre-ordered 2 of their devices but luckily won the lotto 🙂

I have also purchased a few on marketplace

[ripe estuary]

I did up until the 2S. Didn't for the Flip. Now I just wait. The RP4/pro is nice. I will pick up some in 6 months for 120 dollars.

[graceful pelican]

I did with the 2+ and 3+. Got a 2s and flip off market.

[ripe estuary]

I like the Flip the best so far. Anyways ZPG A1 when? I like the white and red color.

[graceful pelican]

not soon enough. agreed flip was the best so far. almost wish I still had mine

[iron wolf]

... almost? lol

[mortal cobalt]

The white and red is actually sick

[graceful pelican]

well sometimes I wish I still had one. then power on my odin 2 and remember why I ditched so many devices I never pocketed lol

I want the black one 😄

[ripe estuary]

Just need some AyaNeo caps.

[rugged zinc]

The only bitch ass move there was Retroid releasing a stronger Handheld right after a weaker one. It's not like they release different variants of the same Handheld.

[iron wolf]

... RP4 and RP4P... variants of the same handheld.

[marsh lichen]

think they meant "at different times"

rp4/rp4p were announced at the same time

would be a dick move if they had announced the rp4p 3 months after the rp4 launched

[ripe estuary]

Why?

[wise swan]

remember the fallout of the rp3/rp3+ situation? you were around for that right?

fun times

[ripe estuary]

Yeah it was blown our of water. Hate over a more powerful device. I will never understand

Why AYN gets away with their shitty ghosting screens on a 300 plus handhelds

[wise swan]

The point was there would not be many rp3 buyers had they known rp3+ was right around the corner

[ripe estuary]

You say that about any handheld. People who got the RP3+ late could be upset about the rp4Pro. The whole idea is silly.

[civic blade]

[ripe estuary]

I got a LCD Steam Deck two weeks before the OLED deck was out. Was I upset nope

[wise swan]

The thing was, this was at launch

if you waited months or years for that matter into the lifespan of a device to get it and then a successor came out then, you couldn't be pissed about that anyway

[mortal cobalt]

the odin 2 has less ghosting than the rp4 by a decent margin...

I agree I'd have preferred better on the odin 2 but the RP4 is probably one of the worst for that atm

[ripe estuary]

Not saying rhe rp4 is better

[iron wolf]

Bought my launch steamdeck for $753 with tax. Oled 512 is $499. Time to take arms against valve.

[rapid timber]

idk if it's on sale currently but the min spec oled is $549 I believe

still sucks for you regardless 😬

[mortal cobalt]

yeah if the deck oled came out 3 months after the deck LCD you could easily make the case that information was withheld from deck LCD purchasers purely to offload inferior stock/force people to buy twice if they want the higher end one

once something's been out for a year or more the idea that a better option might come out shortly is kinda inherent in that purchase

[fallen hinge]

Any size comparisons between this and the RGB30?

[iron wolf]

I’m kidding. Companies release new products all the time so we can’t be upset as consumers. Holding out for the best product or deal is a pipe dream.

We have to learn to be happy with our choices.

[mortal cobalt]

I'm not aware of any direct side by sides but it's the same screen

so this will have the slight 'horns' making it taller on the sides left and right and it's slightly thicker on the sides as grips

it also looks like the sticks protrude more

[ornate fossil]

That would make me upsetti spaghetti

[ripe estuary]

Doesn’t bother me.

[marsh lichen]

If you gloss over the rest of the specs, it's easy to say that tbh

[ripe estuary]

I got a non ghosting Steam deck instead.

[marsh lichen]

for 299$? nice deal

[ripe estuary]

250 used.

[marsh lichen]

shit ok

that's a really nice deal though

[humble relic]

Will likely buy this one. Any update on release date?

April/May on their general discord channel.

[marsh gulch]

Woah! I want one.

[iron wolf]

He just responded in their discord that they’re on track for April/May woop.

[ripe estuary]

nice, price around 150 is what I seen. is that true?

[rugged zinc]

I was referring to the RP3 and RP3+.

[rugged zinc]

Don't be stealing my words. 😏

[rugged zinc]

@mortal cobalt Nah bruhs, an AMOLED Steam Deck would be were it's at. Once they release this I'll be all over an OLED Steam Deck.

[iron wolf]

It should be $125 (899 Chinese Yen) for the only model they plan on releasing now. The guy giving us all the info is in this channel.

[ripe estuary]

I add 20 dollars to any Chinese local price.

[mortal cobalt]

899 is not only a domestic price it’s also an early bird special price

I am expecting $150-ish

[minor orchid]

I thought the black was transparent?

[wise yew]

Yes. This is a test unit

[marsh lichen]

looks clean, love that there's no logo/branding on the front

[iron wolf]

I like matte black.

[mortal cobalt]

I like the white and red a lot

[rapid timber]

aw wtf it's so thick

[mortal cobalt]

comfy

but yeah I think it's gonna be a sling bag handheld not a jeans pocket handheld

tbf the rgb30 is about as compact as a device with this screen could ever be and it's barely a jeans pocket handheld

[queen parrot]

@wise yew hey Rex what's the status of the bubble? Is that still on track

[rapid timber]

that kills my interest 😭

[mortal cobalt]

I’m looking at it to replace an rg arc and/or 405v

[rapid timber]

I was hoping it'd be able to replace a new 3ds lmao

[wise yew]

Yes

[graceful pelican]

I want the transparent black, but if they ended up releasing a blacked out model like that I'd be cool with it.

[wise yew]

Transparent black. Solid black is a test unit

[fallow pumice]

What are the buttons and d-pad like on this? Clicky? Mushy? Anbernic style?

[mint ginkgo]

I'll most likely be selling my x18s and getting an a1 unicorn.

[wise yew]

If I want to move this channel out of rumor mill, who should I contact?

@mortal cobalt Do you know?

[humble relic]

The server admins did it for other handhelds. This isn't released yet right?

[wise yew]

Will be released in April.

[humble relic]

Not sure the exact timing. The others were moved when the devices started to get into the hand of those who pre ordered.

[cinder shoal]

Due to how Discord works, forum threads can't be made into regular channels, the admins will just lock this thread and create a new channel once A1 is shipping

[wise swan]

yup a channel will be made in due time

[iron wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-take-my-all-money-cash-fangirling-gif-13961708

[fallen hinge]

It is April 👀

[night tusk]

https://zpocket-game.cn/product/zpg-a1-unicorn/ it's up on here but I don't think they handle international shipping

[graceful pelican]

They don't. I tried like a week ago 😅

[queen parrot]

I am ready to unleash the 🦄. Ill also have direct comparison to the snowcake on my YouTube channel

[severe breach]

Price on this doesn't seem to be too bad

[marsh lichen]

Prob gonna be like

150-160

[urban plover]

$215

[woeful steppe]

I guess it's time to order myself one

[urban plover]

https://twitter.com/GameboyJuntaro/status/1775151861991104623?t=DZdZNyBGaDocotDWvHKwKA&s=19

じゅんたろう (@GameboyJuntaro) on X

#ZPG_a1_unicorn #ad
AliExpressで販売開始してる…？！
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Twitter · Apr 2, 2024, 1:22 PM

[woeful steppe]

899 yuan for 128gb honestly does not sound bad at all

@cerulean leaf when will u get one

[urban plover]

CCC Electronics on Aliexpress (likely a reseller)
https://rh-go.link/ZPG-A1_AE

[minor orchid]

Mid-May delivery (which matches what was said earlier). More pricey than expected but I might bite

[fallen hinge]

Hmmm, yeah I think that price is too much. I’ll probably wait until RG406 or Flip 2

[sudden current]

I don't think that's official export stock, I think they're reselling from a Chinese listing. It'll probably (?) be cheaper when it's up officially

[woeful steppe]

If they already sell in china for 899 yuan it's hard to believe international gonna be that price

Maybe $200 max?

[cerulean leaf]

Is there an international listing yet?

The smart move would be to wait until the first batch issues are sorted out, but I'm impatient if it comes to stuff I want, so very likely I will jump on that

[mortal cobalt]

Yeah that’s a scalper

Reselling Chinese retail units

[woeful steppe]

Only pre-sale on ali for now, and it's way overpriced

[mortal cobalt]

There’s no way that is the legit store/price

[severe breach]

Ah wait, I forgot about the 8/256GB model getting canned. #1168252795783225424 message

[cerulean leaf]

Price has to be somewhat reasonable, like 180€ or lower

[severe breach]

So yeah, currently right around $125 USD for the 6/128GB one

[cerulean leaf]

That sounds fine

[severe breach]

That's in China, though, so it'll likely be a wee bit higher

[woeful steppe]

Glad i can order straight from there

Still gonna wait for the first batch issue tho

[cerulean leaf]

Like I said, 180€ or less seems reasonable

[vernal plaza]

Picking up Purple from the Ali CCC listing, wish we could get a lower price that is more accessible for the west though.

[fallen siren]

That is a gross price, I'll wait.

Stubbs let me know if this is another Gameforce Ace situation when you get it yeah?

[vernal plaza]

We'll see! I owned previous ZPG models and really enjoyed them.

[fallen siren]

I want that bubbbbbleee

[vernal plaza]

This one might be best for folks to pick up used in our marketplace, i'm sure some will pop up

[ripe estuary]

Wait, I was told around 160. 220 and kind of dead to me.

[marsh lichen]

well it's not the official store so it makes sense

[plucky locust]

it's just a reseller, this isn't the real price

[ripe estuary]

Oh, I will wait to see then.

[fallen siren]

I blame Ban for posting the link

[ripe estuary]

With no context.

[plucky locust]

But it's easier to blame Stubbs?

That's what I always do

[fallen siren]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[ripe estuary]

I blame discord

[cerulean leaf]

You have a link for that one? It ain't shipping to Germany anyway, but I'm curious

Nvm just realized Bans link was the one

247€, yeah nope

Also doesn't ships to Germany

[vernal plaza]

Yeah easier to blame me I think

I think the reseller route is the only way possible for some of us (that's what i went with for mine)

[plucky locust]

My life has gotten a lot better once I blamed everything on Stubbs

no more sad thoughts

[vernal plaza]

I know I could have someone in the middle to help get direct from China, I just haven't explored that before

I might need to consult with Fred 😄

[vernal plaza]

Yes this is what I recommend to most

[plucky locust]

The Pixel still hasn't been officially put up on Ali right? I'm somewhat doubtful about this officially getting to Ali

[sudden current]

lao zhang said he was gonna set up an official store i think

[vernal plaza]

Russ has a video on the way, I think he has an official source now I need to check with him, also have my pixel video in the works (we have from RetroCN and also some units from GGG the team is covering)

Probably best to wait on the A1 for that then

[vernal plaza]

Ban can you add context to this pinned link message (its a re-seller, etc)

[urban plover]

Yes
No
Maybe
Shake to find out

[vernal plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/legal-top-drinking-drink-shaking-gif-17896197

[urban plover]

Me when I fuck around and find out

[wise yew]

You will have a review unit. Why do you order

Currently there is no official store for either Pixel nor ZPG unicorn

[vernal plaza]

Thanks for confirming, Rex! And its one I am looking forward to covering, I appreciate that 🍻

[cerulean leaf]

don't tell him and sell me the review unit for cheap

[fallen siren]

Is the official Ali listing coming soon, or still weeks away?

[wise yew]

End of April

[ripe estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-wait-excited-interview-gif-14889494

[mint ginkgo]

huh.... its going to have a microfan

[fallen hinge]

In that case they should upclock the cpu

[humble relic]

Hope they test it for pitch.

[mint ginkgo]

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[ripe estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/fan-oscilating-fans-gif-16018796

[mint ginkgo]

microfan > hot-hands

[cerulean leaf]

I would actually prefer a bigger one

Can brrr slower then

[mint ginkgo]

win1/2 owners have microfans AND hot-hands! thanks gpd

[ripe estuary]

depends on where you live?

[ripe estuary]

was there a mod for the win2? made by a guy who made the most controversial handheld ever

[mint ginkgo]

yes, you can get win2's premodded with the new heatsink/fan, but it'll cost you. you can also do it yourself. thephawx has a video on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSK9Gkg-QjM&ab_channel=ThePhawx

this is like max-tier tinker, though.

[cerulean leaf]

Well, I'm glad the Unicorn only comes by the end of April aka next month, I kinda spend most of this months f* around money during the last already

Edit: We have the 5th and I just threw out the rest of my f* around budget for a bunch of Switch games...

[ripe estuary]

We can only hope.

[severe breach]

I was curious how this would compare spec-wise to the Snowcake and I wasn't expecting it to be that close

Mali GPU is gonna hurt it a bit in some things but otherwise, that's really dang close to the LG Wing

[cerulean leaf]

well, it isn't supposed to be a lot weaker

[mortal cobalt]

Yeah the g99 is an efficient little chip

[severe breach]

I'm really just impressed that—at least wrt these specific metrics—it's almost identical

[cerulean leaf]

I'm rather surprised we ain't seeing a lot more g99 devices by now, the chip is widespread in Chinese tablets

same as the t618

[severe breach]

I've been tempted by the Snowcake for so long, but that price was always a significant barrier. Even with the stupid markup, the A1 is a bargain comparatively.

[cerulean leaf]

well, I will at least wait until end of the month when the official listing goes online

really hope for sub 160€ to Germany
realistically it's probably 170-180€ tho

[mortal cobalt]

I think the issue is we already have way too many t618 devices and it isn’t considered enough of a jump

[severe breach]

Oh yeah, I'm definitely waiting for the official listing. But this handheld has kinda gone from a "maybe" to a "definitely"

[cerulean leaf]

well, in terms of what we MAY get to run on it is still in the same ballpark as the 618, but it's a fair bit more powerful and certainly should make more of the GCN/PS2 library playable

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-mediatek_helio_g99-vs-unisoc_t618 I mean, not by leaps and bounds, but good enough for the 100-150€ space IMO

[brazen vigil]

it also uses half the power of a t618

[humble relic]

If it's half the power, why add a fan?

[cerulean leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-more-power-power-power-up-spongebob-squarepants-gif-22777710

I mean, dunno, the SnowCake kinda doesn't have one, doesn't it?

If that had a problem with thermal throttle tho, I would understand it

like I can make my phone run some GCN games at 2x

which isn't exactly more powerful than a t618

but the damn thing gets hot and retroarch just nopes out after like 20-30mins

[queen parrot]

my snowcake does not feel too hot, a bit at times on ps2/gamecube but nothing significant

[cerulean leaf]

well, I don't mind the mini-fan if it isn't running much

[cinder shoal]

Yeah, I'm surprised this comes with a fan

Also smaller fan is worse than a bigger one

[humble relic]

I like the heat sheild on the RG556. Something like that would be preferred. The G99 is 5w tdp. Should be doable without a fan https://nanoreview.net/en/soc/mediatek-helio-g99

[pastel quarry]

the KTR1 ended up removing it's fan, so it's possible

it has a cutout in the case but the fan was never added

[safe ember]

Anyone else planning to Velcro the back of this to the back of an RGB30 to create the ultimate square handheld?

[urban hollow]

I'm not sure if insane or brilliant.. making the pow kiddy useful somehow...

[woeful steppe]

Me me

[cerulean leaf]

now I kinda want to make a handheld cube

[woeful steppe]

U already have 3 rgb30

Just 3 more 🦄

[cerulean leaf]

there is certainly a possibility that MIGHT happen

I kinda plan to settle for just two tho

looks at the ever increasing amount of GBC, despite initially only wanting to do a single AMOLED mod 😅

but maybe my non existent self control will prevent me from following my better judgment

[woeful steppe]

You simply can't stop yourself from buying more square boys

Embrace the reality

[cerulean leaf]

I'm still considering a yellow rgb30

I have enough tape, a membrane, hall sticks and would only need the device and a set of Sakura buttons to go with it

on the other hand I have an insane amount of shells and AMOLED displays coming and will probably spend a few bucks on getting more GBC, so that purchase is postponed until I have one Unicorn at least

[urban hollow]

Who needs 3 of the same device? Unless oh it's the batteries 🤔😅

I kid lol

[cerulean leaf]

btw, will the Unicorn have hall-sticks or do I have to jump on the offer for cheap Gulikit ns40 sticks AliExpress is showing me for a few days now?

[urban hollow]

Do you have family or friends that come and play with them and you?

[humble relic]

Please share the link 🙂 . Looking at these or something longer with more angle.

[queen parrot]

The grips?

https://deadfredcoshop.etsy.com/listing/1710799987

[cerulean leaf]

It's a super-offer, can those be used by others? If so I will look for the link when I'm back from work.

[real falcon]

I hope this does not turn kt-r1 situation.. The hype is there.

[urban hollow]

This is not a ktr1 type of situation thankfully. Zpg has released a bunch of devices in China already if I'm not mistaken. If you are on their official ZPG A1 Unicorn discord they also support GKD devices on it. ( The bubble also looks sick)

[real falcon]

I think this is the first mass produced product from them. I hope that they keep their schedule and ship in May.

[urban hollow]

Should we just make a snow cake channel.... I get that they are similar (one is based off the other) but do we need to talk about the snow cake instead of the unicorn.

[severe breach]

Really thought for a moment about buying this specific one. That's when I got into comparing the guts of the Snowcake and the Unicorn. Love the aluminum shell and more vertical screen, but that's a lot of scrap

[stuck sun]

yes please. it is incredibly annoying to see people trying to show off a snowcake whenever anything remotely related to a 1:1 handheld is brought up

[urban hollow]

It's completely off topic for this sub and annoying as heck this is about an upcoming device not a discontinued one.

Please take all snow cake chat to https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/753327773095034930

[vernal plaza]

Hey deadfred, you're welcome to post affiliate links inside your #1203441526726852720 forum, but please don't post them around the discord, thanks man! Also great find! Very tempting

[junior aurora]

So what's up with this thing is it stronger than the rg556?

cause they're pretty similar price on ali

[brazen vigil]

no, it's like halfway between a rp3+ and the rg556

I think the early sales are just pumping the price

[graceful pelican]

The listing that is available now internationally isn't even ZPG doing it lol. It's a reseller. So it has nothing to do with ZPG pricing on the device

[brazen vigil]

yeah I should have said, I think unscupulous hawkers are pumping the price

[junior aurora]

boo I was hoping it was between the 556 and rp4 pro

[fallen hinge]

Wait for the RG406 then
||but not before Anbernic releases 20 more xx handhelds first||

[iron wolf]

The 556 and rp4 pro are nearly identical performance I thought

[mortal cobalt]

The 556 I think is fairly similar to the rp4 amateur

It is a weaker chip than the d1100

In real terms the g99 will do a fair bit of ps2 and a lot of gc, just not quite as much as the t820, d900, d1100 or with not as much upscaling

I mean hell the t618 can already kinda do the “easier half” of those libraries and the g99 is a decent step up from that

But yeah even at non-scalper price this will probably lose to ayn and retroid a little on the power:money front

[iron wolf]

Yeah, I know the t618 can do some light ps2 and Wii, which surprises me. I have an rg405 and it’s a great device.

But I love the form factor of the unicorn and rgb30. The screen on the unicorn is exactly what I want.

[junior aurora]

I was looking for a more substantial upgrade to my rp2s, that can already do some gc and ps2

so lame all the more powerful handhelds coming out are moving to widescreens

[iron wolf]

Look what is in taobao idlefish, lol.

Total price is listed as 1150. The 100 is a deposit.

[woeful steppe]

It's only 999 on their site lol

[brazen vigil]

There's pretty big degrees of some. The g99 will get close to the whole gc library I think

[pastel quarry]

didn’t the 8g model get cancelled? according to their qq

[iron wolf]

I mean, even the t618 can do most all GC.

G99 should definitely be able to

[iron wolf]

That’s what makes that posting most interesting

That and they say it won’t be shipped until May

Rex has said late April for us and only a 6+128 iirc.

[brazen vigil]

For the t618. I think it's like 70% of gc while the g99 is over 90%. But also someone said rp2s, which is way fewer than the 618

[iron wolf]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hPQXrhr0VgCCQBv_klgIVZ5_CowY8G3iQOUNS9bsnhM/htmlview#gid=1422674810

I’ve only experienced one GC game running slowly on the rg405m with gamma. nfl street vol2.

[junior aurora]

But I wanna play rogue squadron :C

Gotta wait for the upgraded 405m, the 556 looks good but it's huge

[graceful pelican]

Of course you do. All the games and you have want to play the hard one. Like people having a hundred PSP games that work...but I wanted to play ghost of Sparta 😥

Sucks when you're playing games for free and only 199/200 of them work. 🤣

[junior aurora]

you say that like ghost of sparta isnt the best psp game lol

[graceful pelican]

I don't think it is. 🤷🏻‍♂️ But I was speaking to how hard it is to emulate.

[junior aurora]

the point is yeah indeed that's the game that people wanna play, same as switch people want to play zelda not celeste lol

[mortal cobalt]

I feel like gamecube and psp are both systems that have a lot of great games on both the easy and the hard to emulate side

for psp I'm fortunate that my picks are mostly on the easy side, for gamecube not so much

[limber sparrow]

Easy to forget, but a lot of GC games were fine to play on the RP2+.

It's probably even better now, with up to date MMJR Dolphin

[urban hollow]

Zelda sucks from a switch person. Through and through. I'll take many other games over it. Including Celeste.

But yeah, popular opinion doesn't speak for everyone. And don't plan on running switch titles on this chip lol

[mortal cobalt]

but on the ktr1 discord they said running half res indies was the best use for it

jokes aside this handheld is gonna be an arcade beast

[urban hollow]

21fps is playable apparently for some games

[thorny beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-dana-carvey-back-in-my-day-angry-gif-16063472

I kidd

[cerulean leaf]

21fps is very playable

[severe breach]

as long as it's steady and the game itself is running at full speed, I don't mind too much. That's how Tears of the Kingdom is on an unmodded Switch, IIRC

[cerulean leaf]

no clue how bad it really runs, but even if it didn't bother me, N64 and PC games didn't run at even 30fps back in the day

[brazen vigil]

a number of psp games were locked at 20 fps, and sotc dropped into the low 20s on ps2 hardware

I think I played mgs2 on a ps3 gen 2 so everytime there was a fog effect on screen the fps tanked

[severe breach]

The reality is that people have been spoiled by 60 FPS. And I don't mind it for some games (mostly shooters), but sometimes that buttery smoothness kinda makes games look weird. Like that one setting on TVs that's meant for live sports but makes movies/shows looks strange

[marsh lichen]

my PSP grudge isn't the framerate, it's the resolution

[iron wolf]

dat 16:9

[gleaming bobcat]

480×272

[marsh lichen]

makes upcaling stuff a pain and it doesn't have as much HD texture packs as other consoles

[pastel quarry]

@wise yew are red thumbstick caps possible?

[fallow pumice]

Clicky :O

[wise yew]

You can buy hall caps

[pastel quarry]

switch style will fit?

[wise yew]

Yes

[pastel quarry]

I would like this

great 👍

[marsh lichen]

clicky

interesting choice but what the hell lol

[fallow pumice]

Clicky is always the correct choice

If the d-pad is clicky too I might have to buy this smdh

[humble relic]

Looks like the analog stick has very little movement range. Focusing on pocketablity?

[mortal cobalt]

It’s just a switch stick

I think a hall one but it should be the same size as everyone else’s

[fallen hinge]

Is this God of War 2 on the PS2? That looks like it runs surprisingly well for the G99

[severe breach]

Which is indeed low range, but not any lower than anyone else's. Pretty sure these are K-Silvers.

Would have been awesome to have RP4/Odin 2 sticks but what can ya do.

[fallen hinge]

@fallen siren what’s so funny Joey? I’m serious here, the performance looks pretty good

[humble relic]

Ksilvers aren't too bad. It's a missed opportunity IMHO. Anbernic with the RP4 has analog sticks that are a selling point rather than following the norm. Was hoping that would catch on.

[queen parrot]

I'm ready to ride on that unicorn

[thorny siren]

Which OS do you prefer?

[iron wolf]

GammOS of course 🙂

[mint ginkgo]

the differences between gamma and regular android are small. overclocked ram, governors permanently set to performance, some qol and debloating.

if the a1 unicorn comes with root access, you can just go down the feature list and manually make all of the changes.

[mortal cobalt]

gamma doesn't permanently set governors to performance

the power save mode in gamma is the best part

[spark current]

don't forget, fixing the oversharpening, and display timings, not to mention a lot of controller customization options, ported gpu drivers and more

you're not going to get that with just root

kt-r1 also suffered from display color calibration issues, fixed that too

but sure, a lot probably can be done with root

IMO, if the base firmware is good enough, no need to tinker with the firmware. Don't need to have a CFW on every device

[cerulean leaf]

We just gonna count on perfectly working GammaOS out of the box, thx

[spark current]

no u

lol

[cerulean leaf]

Still waiting for GammaOS on my x28

[spark current]

Ehhh the ROI on working on that device is pretty low. There are many challenges that I need to overcome, mainly do to do with the touchscreen calibration. Unable to calibrate the joysticks.

Also, they screwed up the memory clocks on the x28, so you won't even get similar performance to other t618's on higher end gaming

[cerulean leaf]

I'm mostly annyoed by the sticks, more performance would be nice, but welp

[graceful pelican]

But...we do need cfw on every device. 🥹

[mortal cobalt]

Definitely for me - closed source Linux/android from lowest bidder contractors is sketchy

(Plus why do I need Google spyware services on my retro handheld?)

[graceful pelican]

I honestly won't buy devices that don't have cfw or not good cfw. Stock os is pretty much trash on all of these devices. The community makes these devices what they are. Imo. Of course

[mortal cobalt]

Android I think is one where the actually user experience can be fine stock sometimes (retroid, ayn) but especially from smaller producers that are contracting out the android TV box malware stuff that continues to this day should probably set off some alarm bells

Not that retro handheld makers would intentionally include malware, but when you farm stuff out to contractors who then just steal code from someone else shit can happen.

[graceful pelican]

Oh totally different experience on an android device for sure. Although anbernic can find ways to screw that up too. Mainly mean Linux devices. Stock is usually trash.

[cerulean leaf]

Powkiddys Stock OS isn't that bad

[severe breach]

Yeah oddly enough—now this may just be because JELOS is pretty good—but I haven't felt the need to do any CFW on my RGB30

[iron wolf]

Fully agree.

[graceful pelican]

I don't consider powkiddy using jelos a "stock" experience LoL

It is stock. But...you know.

[cerulean leaf]

It is stock, no arguing there

[idle wind]

i mean if it's what ships on the device, it's stock. they're just working smarter not harder lol

[graceful pelican]

I wish anbernic would work smarter or harder on fw.

[wet valve]

They just added a video player to the RG35XXH what else could you want

[gleaming bobcat]

A better screen to watch videos on

[cerulean leaf]

That's when you buy a Trimui Smart Pro

[graceful pelican]

Anbernic is making strides. A video player! 🙌🏻

[gleaming bobcat]

I skipped the H and got the Smart Pro and I agree

[mint ginkgo]

Smart pro Has like needle sharp response time on those micro switch buttons

What's the probability of a Linux buikd ?

[mortal cobalt]

Can’t wait to see reviews that compare this directly to the RGB30 - hoping it isn’t too much bulkier

This has the potential to combine everything I like about the 405v (gamma lite, retro aesthetic), the RGB30 (the screen!), and the rg arc (sega style dpad!)

[mortal cobalt]

according to the retroCN discord international sales are now coming June

[urban hollow]

Well that's a kick in the pants

June next July then August...

June just kicks into my summer fun budget.. this is looking like a second hand or a sale purchase the longer it takes for it to come out.

[mortal cobalt]

The original date for international was may right?

so far not a huge delay

[urban hollow]

I thought it was April

[minor orchid]

there was supposed to be an official listing end of april, yeah

[mortal cobalt]

yeah, I think that was just preorders

my understanding was shipping in may was the plan

obviously they're having some issues getting storefronts set up for international buyers

is there even an official ali store for the pixel yet?

[wise yew]

Aliexpress requires sellers to start delivery within at maximum 7 days

[wise yew]

Yes. They need to fullfill domestic pre-orders first..

The best way to order a unicorn for now, if you are urgent, is to use a forwarder + domestic order

The store is up btw. but no listing

[dire marsh]

does anyone know if I can replicate this on the A1 with a 4'' 1:1 screen, except for the smaller screen being placed directly below the bigger screen

the screenshot was taken from a 4,7'' 16:9 RP4P

measured the bigger screen at 3.5'' (4:3) and the smaller one at 1,2'' (4:3)

I'd be super grateful if anyone can figure that out ;))

[limber sparrow]

The big screen is in 4:3. The little screen is taller than 1/3rd of the big screen. So no, you would need to make one of those screens, or both, smaller.

Or just use a 16:9 handheld.

Or your phone.

[cerulean leaf]

I mean, this looks like a DS game, you can do this on the rgb30 already

[queen parrot]

Any info on when the first domestics will be shipping? Are we thinking by May 15th

[safe ember]

If so that’s news to me. Unless Rocknix or Ark has updated this within the past month, the Linux version of DraStic on RGB30 only supports full screen top/bottom, or both screens simultaneously at an identical size.

[cerulean leaf]

my bad, kinda didn't read that part

[safe ember]

You’d be able to get pretty close to this but probably not exactly 3.5” and 1.2”. I imagine you could at least get 3” for the top and 1” for the bottom though. The ZPG screen is .7” smaller than an RP4, so not as much space for dual screens.

The original DS phat had 3” screens so that’s still an enjoyable experience imho.

[iron wolf]

He said they’d go up for sale by the end of April.

[dire marsh]

Yeah that seems about right

Might make the top screen smaller

[dire marsh]

Having stacked displays instead of adjacent ones is a huge pro for me

Bud sadly this won’t release til June ;((

And it’ll pop be the same for the rg406p

[wise yew]

Domestic preorders ship in May

Review units will be sent in May as well

[mortal cobalt]

nice bezel

[wise yew]

I played with a white engineering unit for a while. Felt cozy

[mortal cobalt]

I love the white and red colourway

[wise yew]

Tpu protector and case are all ready

[plain raft]

Awesome can’t wait! Will Russ be getting one?

This system is the main reason I keep holding off on rebuying an RGB30

[wise yew]

Yes. We had a discussion before

Is it possible we can change the front image of the thread? @mortal cobalt

[queen parrot]

Bingo whyd you sell the rgb30 the first time?

[wise yew]

Now it is just a hand

[queen parrot]

Any chance Pegasus will be pre-installed like with snowcake?

[wise yew]

Probably not

This is not a DIY

Could you update the images to the latest status

[mortal cobalt]

sorry, what image to want in the first message?

I am not a mod so I can't pin things but I think I can add a pic to the first message

[fallen siren]

Are these included or extra?

[wise yew]

Maybe just update he first message will help

[wise yew]

Extra. but a screen protector will be included

[fallen siren]

Awesome, looking forward to ordering one for review, thanks Rex!

[mortal cobalt]

hrm, don't think discord will let me add an image to an existing post

[wise yew]

Edit?

[mortal cobalt]

yeah, I can edit the text but it won't let me paste in or attach a new pic

there we go

I pasted in a link to your image rather than the image itself and it seems to embed

at any rate as soon as preorders open this thread will be locked and a new channel will be created

[plain raft]

Loved the screen and form factor, didn’t love the hardware and software

[rocky imp]

Ahh lmao

[dire marsh]

They look really pretty

What about clear black though? ;))

[safe ember]

Can you make it this tall?

[proper remnant]

How? I'm trying to do this but I don't know where to go in the Drastic configurations

[safe ember]

Yo can’t actually do that with the RGB30.

[mortal cobalt]

not on the current firmware via drastic standalone anyway

gamma core will probably be able to do it on the rgb30

but yeah this thing is going to slaughter the rgb30 at NDS just by actually having a touch screen

[vernal plaza]

🔥

[dire marsh]

may I ask what the gamma core is or will be? 🥹

[mortal cobalt]

It’s a modified android TV rom for devices with no touchscreen and only 1gb of ram

[dire marsh]

thanks I appreciate it

[mortal cobalt]

Not official out yet but gamma has posted some test images here and there

[dire marsh]

I just checked it out gammaOS in #1095418553936662529 and Im really impressed

but you cant add a touchscreen with software so a1 unicorn it is ;))

[gleaming bobcat]

Not with that attitude

[pastel quarry]

“We have sent the test machine to some reviewers, and I believe you will be able to enjoy the relevant review video soon. However, please note that these shells are second trial production samples and are not final product results.”

“Please rest assured that the production plan for other mass-produced models will be completed and shipped by the end of May according to the original plan.”

https://zpocket-game.cn/2024/04/30/zpg-a1独角兽开发进度同步4月/

lot of new images there

[safe ember]

(3)DS layout looks really nice here. Thanks for sharing!

[dire marsh]

Oh baby, I’m so ready!

[mortal cobalt]

the white and red with the TPU look snice

[jolly wasp]

If only this had dpad on top

[dire marsh]

Yeah but maybe anbernic will..

.. nevermind. 😔

[marsh lichen]

looks neat but I'll pass

[torpid trench]

This console looks very nice with its square screen and a Sega DPad. I really hope that it won't be noisy with its tiny fan. Reviewers, please try to test this point seriously.

[plain raft]

Hyped

[mortal cobalt]

this one looks so bad

I really hope it's fake

the sticks are the worst part of the 556 so to prioritize that while keeping the poor quality plastic, losing the oled and the ergo (the good parts of the 556) but still staying weirdly bulbous with analog triggers so it isn't pocketable either... if they actually made that render it would be worse than the 556 in every possible way

like come on

[dire marsh]

I heard the WiFi chip on the rg506 is hot doo doo too

Hope they won’t copy anything from the 506 except the cpu

[marsh lichen]

yeah the rg556's wifi is down horrible

[severe breach]

https://tenor.com/view/wrestling-vince-mcmahon-why-wont-you-let-me-have-this-fall-shocked-gif-16060604

[fallen siren]

Awesome

[cinder shoal]

Huh, really? Is it slow or unreliable? Or both?

[marsh lichen]

both

my personal guesses are:

• they used a dogshit card
• single antenna line
• using dogshit antennas

from joey's video on the pocket air

you have to get real close to your router

[cinder shoal]

Don't remember reviews really mention that

[urban hollow]

Well sometimes they don't notice everything in a review

Or maybe you need to watch more critical reviewers

[cinder shoal]

Like who? Genuine question

[urban hollow]

Joey caught it

But was that later on I don't know

🤷‍♀️

[cinder shoal]

I mean, it's a widescreen device that doesn't play a whole lot of widescreen systems, so streaming would be a big use case (I was considering RG556 for that, actually)

You'd think Wi-Fi would be important here

[urban hollow]

Yeah I haven't watched reviews on it so I've only heard discord chatter

And all I've heard is bad wifi

Not a streaming device

[cinder shoal]

I actually like Taki for trying his hardest to find everything remotely problematic in Anbernic devices, but I don't think he did 556

Retrododo tried bashing 556, but we all know how that went

[urban hollow]

I've enjoyed Joey's retro handhelds for his honest takes, adin wells for his outside views on handhelds. Retro game corps is okay for information. I used to love taki but I find him less palatable over time. He does know a bunch of technical information but he's not always forthcoming about it.

[cinder shoal]

I like Phawx too, he tends to go into a lot of details

[urban hollow]

Generally the more you watch the better idea you'll have

Phawx in haven't seen much of to be honest although I've heard of him

Tech dweeb is great when I can handle his voice lol 😆. He does great work

[marsh lichen]

basically how I feel about dweeb

massive respect to his content and originality, I find the dynamic to shift a lot and it's really entertaining but the voice, euh the voice

[humble relic]

Move the d-pad to the top and it wins 🔥

[marsh lichen]

need a better rgb30 with dpad on top and I'm buying

[safe ember]

Wondering what this will feel like in hand. Usually devices have a stick/dpad on top and the other on the bottom, but the Unicorn has its D-pad in the middle.

[humble relic]

With it not staggered with the analog stick, it won't feel great. Thumbs are hinged on a specific pivot point. The RG556 has them staggered which works farily well.

This pic shows it well. The thumb will have to cramp up or the hand has to move to arrive on the d-pad. They aren't terribly far apart though, that will help. With a 1:1 screen, the focus is on earlier gens. Having the d-pad anywhere but on top is an odd decision.

[safe ember]

I do love the stagger. The inline dpad on my Odin 2 is all but unusable for my giant thumbs.

[humble relic]

Yes, I'm still going to buy it 🙂 .... well depending on the reviews.

Companies making 1:1 devices need to take the hint though.

[safe ember]

I’m quite liking the look of this device and chipset. Between my RGB30 and Odin 2 I don’t know that it fills a niche that I need though.

The joystick on top + screen & chip does excite me as a potentially pretty awesome little 3DS machine.

[graceful pelican]

I understand not needing the sticks. And that cover is a neat idea but looks... I'd much rather keep the sticks I never use that make it look like something broke and I found the cheapest way possible to plug the hole.

[weary lodge]

I will say, when the dpad is on top and the sticks are inline, I tend to bump into the joystick quite a bit. The vita was most frustrating in this regard. I deffo need to here opinions once people have these in hand tho

[graceful pelican]

If they looked better I wouldn't dislike them as much. Maybe they look good on a black device with black caps.

[earnest mortar]

I use L3 as my "engage" button for RetroArch instead of the select button, so I need them.

[humble relic]

I like the RG505 button on the side for this. The trimui smart pro has a dedicated button too. But, yeah, on the RG556, I use the L3 for this too.

[graceful pelican]

I'll use select when it's on the left side like it should be.

[humble relic]

Having them both on the right is just odd. Many devices doing that now.

[earnest mortar]

One of the reasons I really like the Odin 2, being able to use the back buttons for save and load state is awesome.

[queen parrot]

I'm real iffy about their version of Android they're putting on it. But to be fair have to wait and see. They're Linux distros have been sort of crap

[cerulean leaf]

pretty sure this thing will have enough momentum for some sweet GammaOS

[pastel quarry]

hopefully the groundwork is already done as it uses the same soc as the KT-R1 (which already has Gamma)

[wise yew]

A dev unit will be sent to GammaOS developer when it is ready

[marsh lichen]

awesome

[earnest mortar]

I wasn't quite sure when it was announced, but the more pictures I see, the more I actually want it.

[mint ginkgo]

This thing looks hot

[sturdy stratus]

Any price yet for this device?

[wet valve]

$200ish?

[pastel quarry]

China preorder price was $125

[wet valve]

Hmm that's really good

[cerulean leaf]

I doubt we are getting there, but I would be happy already if the whole thing is 160€ or less to Germany 😅

[dire marsh]

Depends on shipping options

Gotta hope for 4px to come through

[rocky imp]

I have a long house, isn’t an issue for me even in the furthest room.

[rocky imp]

It’s a consideration but I stream on the device, it’s an amazing screen, no issues for me

Also always weird how some channels open to the weirdest spots lol

[rocky imp]

!!!!!!! Sick

[urban hollow]

I'm just going by what I've seen people saying and the pictures of people trying to mod their antennas for better reception. It may be isolated incidents.

[rocky imp]

Yeah it seems to be a ymmv. Could also be benchmark test vs actively trying to actually stream

[urban hollow]

I really don't know, it would be the perfect streaming device with wifi 6 imo

They stuck with wifi 5 though didn't they?

[rocky imp]

That part is true, I’ll concede there

[torpid trench]

Those arcade vertical games played with the console upwards ... lovely !

Early reviewers, please elaborate about the fan noise.

[acoustic perch]

Yup, plus the KTR1 dev apparently works directly with Gamma for GammaOS support, and since this device already has the same chipset, they’re already gonna have a lot of the background stuff done for the chip itself. The only thing Gamma would need to figure out is any hardware stuff unique to the Unicorn like the screen.

[torpid trench]

I would be careful with "only" when it comes to OS dev 😉 That beeing said, GammaOS is so great on the RG405M that it would be a major plus if @spark current decided to involve in this Unicorn.

[mortal cobalt]

Gamma also has core running on the RGB30 so presumably he already has the clocks etc for this screen sorted

That leaves controls, touch, and audio for new fun quirks requiring dev work

[cinder shoal]

Wait, does A1 has the same screen as RGB30?

I somehow always thought it was narrower than 1:1

[mortal cobalt]

Nope, it’s 1:1

The older snowcake handmade thing was made from a cell phone and was narrower than 1:1

[cinder shoal]

Ah, I see

[mortal cobalt]

I kinda wish this was 3:4 instead but it is what it is

For many people a g99 would be their best retro handheld so I can definitely understand wanting a compromise ratio that still allows for landscape games

[torpid trench]

That's my case. I'll have a RG28XX for pocketable quick 2D gaming and - if no dealbreaker - this one for everything I care.

[urban hollow]

Honestly I like how people assume gamma is going to want to work on every android handheld out there. His backlog must be massive right now. That said I hope he has more support from the devs of the unicorn than he did from the ktr1 team. I know he had a major mess given to him to work through for the ktr1 compared to say the 405v.

Gamma is great but he's going to get tired at some point.

[acoustic perch]

Yeah definitely agree on that, I mainly said “only” because even when there’s still a lot to handle besides the chipset, that initial jump of actually getting this stuff to work on the chipset is still really difficult on its own.

[urban hollow]

I just have some doubt that gamma is going to want to work on the g99 ever again. Especially after what nil gave him to work with if nil even had the tools to do it himself.

[spark current]

GammaOS is not guaranteed ™

but with that being said, if the work I've done on the kt-r1 can be carried across to here, then I'll likely bring it to the device, barring any major roadblocks.

but there is also a question of diminishing returns, if the stock firmware is good enough, GammaOS becomes less compelling

[mortal cobalt]

god, imagine if retro handhelds started shipping with actually good stock firmware and shared source code.

[graceful pelican]

Spoiler...it won't be 😂

[torpid trench]

If I remember well, @wise yew wrote about trainees above. Let's hope that things will be decent enough so the task is not too much difficult for @spark current

[spark current]

Trainees?...

[mortal cobalt]

It’s ok they copied system32 off of their windows machine so everything should just work

[torpid trench]

Tbh I'm unsure if I remember well so take that with a grain of salt. And apologies if I was wrong.

[dire marsh]

What do you mean by trainees though

[pastel quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/david-catalina-kids-laptop-computer-working-gif-15518014

(no offence to the trainees they might be good)

[wet valve]

You might be thinking of the students mentioned to be working on the #1230446912235245648

[torpid trench]

Ah yes, sorry I've mixed threads. Apologies to @wise yew ! I'm getting old, you know. My first home console was an Atari 2600.

[iron wolf]

But can you be trained?

[civic blade]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-teach-and-old-dog-news-tricks-lucy-and-duchess-the-pack-learn-new-tricks-success-gif-19404623

[wise yew]

RA with fake08 gameplay

[high raptor]

is splore also an option

[wise swan]

not with fake08 sadly

[torpid trench]

I hate when screens are not centered.

[acoustic perch]

Boy you must not like the GBA SP then, huh?

[torpid trench]

Indeed, that's something I didn't enjoy on the SP. But there were not so many alternatives at that time, and it was 20 years ago. Plus it was not as pronounced as this one with tiny borders up, left and right, and this ugly large one on the bottom. Now that I've noticed it, I can only see that. Too bad, I had high hopes for this device.

[acoustic perch]

I mean suit yourself, the screen panel alone is specifically designed like that, so they would have to unnecessarily make the border for the top of the screen bigger just to make it look centered.

[torpid trench]

Or cover the bottom with white plastic and make a bezel all around the screen, for a tight fit.

[dire marsh]

Or cover it with a sticker

Okay maybe not this kind of sticker

Something like that

[torpid trench]

Yes that would be better. In a GB SP way as mentioned earlier.

I'll see if they provide a choice of nice screen protectors that lower the issue.

[dire marsh]

They might be using the same screen glass as powkiddy to save costs

The manufacturer might charge extra for tailoring the glass

[torpid trench]

Does the RGB30 also has such borders ?

[dire marsh]

Yup

Same for the rgb20sx

The look way more hideous on a vertical handheld

[acoustic perch]

Oh I thought you meant the position of the screen itself in relation to the device.

[acoustic perch]

Yeah they probably could update it to cover the lens border.

[dire marsh]

Anbernic seems to have solved it

[acoustic perch]

Like that yeah.

[dire marsh]

But they charge more so they can afford the customer tailoring of the glass

It’s probably around double the price

Of the rgb30

[acoustic perch]

When I was talking about the SP, I was talking about the shell itself being off centered.

[torpid trench]

Honestly, once I've reach such a pricepoint, I prefer to pay $5 more and get something designed with attention to details.

[acoustic perch]

Not just the screen

[torpid trench]

Yes that as well. I was only speaking of the "black" part arround the screen.

[dire marsh]

Same for me. Quite often I say “I would’ve payed slightly more for that”

But the reality is companys always cut corners in ways that cater to the most sales and not the best product

[mortal cobalt]

That is definitely not a real picture

It’s just a 556 photoshopped to have a square screen

[dire marsh]

You are right I should have clarified it

[torpid trench]

Yes but as far as I know, most recent devices solve the issue. Even on the latests tiny devices, borders are even. RG35* as well, or RG405M, or....

That beeing said, such an offcentering adds a bit of retro touch. Remember the old VHS camcorders and their flippy screens ? 😉

[marsh lichen]

android so no

people literally run splore in winlator instead

[gritty basin]

hopefully it won't be much longer until we start seeing footage and impressions of those test units

[severe breach]

I'm still not convinced this is anything real. Just looks like a shooped RG556

[dire marsh]

Well it’s not

[severe breach]

I hadn't read this bit yet.

[dire marsh]

;))

[mortal cobalt]

I’d rather see anbernic make an actual portrait screen handheld than a 1:1

[severe breach]

Oh yeah for sure

[wintry cedar]

Must be 2.35:1 or riot
You can't satisfy all retro games, so why not satisfy no retro games at all?!

Domestic market preorder open till May 20
8GB RAM + 256GB NAND for 999 RMB in preorder (sold out), 1099RMB in retail
6GB RAM + 128GB NAND for 899 RMB in preorder, 999RMB in retail
Not a bad price in general - 8GB sounds like overkill