AYANEO S

[idle lake]

A hotel we stay at in Tahoe has warmer seats. My wife loves it as she’s always cold. I’m not as much a fan.

[fallen bloom]

They had one in the taoyuan airport when I visited. Was actually pretty nice

[idle lake]

That feeling when you use a public restroom and the seat is already warm…

[odd dune]

Lol

[fallen bloom]

Duality of toilet

[odd dune]

I'm not trying to sweat more than I have to when doing the duty

[fallen bloom]

Then don’t game on the toilet

[odd dune]

I barely take my phone to the toilet

Afraid of dropping it

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-game-richard-parliament-top-hat-gaming-man-looking-down-focus-gif-23069179

[fallen bloom]

Just install carpet in the bathroom

[odd dune]

Idk how people can do it

[fallen bloom]

Problem solved

[odd dune]

I'd feel uncomfortable sitting for too long

A carpet in the bathroom is old school

[fallen bloom]

Yeah and nasty

[odd dune]

Last time I've seen one of those was like 22 years ago back in Ohio

Popcorn ceiling is also cursed

[idle lake]

Saw a couple listings when we were buying our home a few years ago with the bathroom carpet. So nasty

[fallen bloom]

We had one growing up but with three boys in the house the bathroom got renovated quickly

[odd dune]

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/asbestos-toy-story-woody-buzz-lightyear-funny-gif-12036093

[odd dune]

I'm glad I don't have tile in my office area

[fallen bloom]

The pocket s info thing is tomorrow right?

[idle lake]

11pm pst it said

[odd dune]

The amount of times my chair has pulled my devices off the desk because of cables

I believe they are selling local first then international sometime after cny

[fallen bloom]

The pocket s has no cables!

[idle lake]

#1143189188167082054 message

[fallen bloom]

And probably no screws

[odd dune]

It will when I have it plugged in

I really want to see the cooling they are using since they changed it up in the new shots

No more back vent

Looks like two intake scoops on the bottom

[fallen bloom]

All will be revealed

Tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/pudgypenguin-hopium-penguin-gif-26360923

[smoky pelican]

Honestly, those are close enough that I wouldn't be too terribly worried. From what I hear, the Odin is kinda OP. If you want that in a smaller form factor, this might be the only option.

[idle lake]

The white is pretty. But the black is sleek. HMM

[fallen bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-money-humor-penguin-pudgy-gif-6195173061880275056

[maiden tulip]

How long until we are supposed to find out pricing on this one?

[odd dune]

No clue

They are suppose go up for sale local tomorrow and then international sometime after cny

I don't expect cheap

[idle lake]

There is a "sharing session" at 11PM PST tonight

Allededly they are also doing CN presale then or shortly thereafter so possibly soon.

Though with the Flip it took a bit after the showoff to give us pricing so idk

[maiden tulip]

Ahh yeah I'm not staying up for it. I'll check in the morning. Curious to see that vs final specs.

[odd dune]

It's ayaneo so I expect at least 3 different specs on this handheld

[fallen bloom]

32 gb model incoming

[idle lake]

Well the single benchmark looks to be a 12gb model so there will probably at least be that.

[odd dune]

ima say that might be the middle model

who knows

they keep saying premium so maybe that's the lowest idk anymore with them

[cinder zealot]

You pay extra for the thinner 32gb with a smaller battery.

[idle lake]

They'll call it the Retro Power edition AND YOU'LL LIKE IT

[cinder zealot]

It still blows my mind people paid extra for that.

[fallen bloom]

Hey

I almost did

It’s just so sleek

[cinder zealot]

We all have different priorities I guess.

[fallen bloom]

Yeah. It for sure wasn’t the best sku choice

Definitely got more attention from my base air when people saw it than the air pros I had

But 1k plus is a lot to pay for a conversation piece

[cinder zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-yes-yes-yes-oh-fo-sho-for-sure-nods-gif-12018369

[fallen bloom]

Watching the rh livestream

[grave light]

https://www.youtube.com/live/0DtwSzr2IWc?si=4aHGbbECG3xa3-TL

[rough jacinth]

Well that was a tease.

[idle lake]

https://weibo.com/l/wblive/p/show/1022:2321324998423513268382

Live here. Can’t understand a thing lol

[rough jacinth]

Thanks. Too bad there's no live translation.

[merry helm]

Any useful information yet?

[grave light]

Time for my S24 ultra to shine /s

[idle lake]

No really seems to just have started getting into it

[rough jacinth]

My browser's automatic translation of the comments isn't that helpful, but at least it's amusing.

[hushed parrot]

the graphics should at least have english on them, right?

[rough jacinth]

Yup

[hushed parrot]

didnt translate that one lol

[rough jacinth]

The stream is on youtube now, too

[grave light]

Small furry 🤣

[idle lake]

YouTube is back

[idle lake]

Gpu is faster than 8g2, 1ghz?

[fallen bloom]

6 inch 2k

[rough jacinth]

This thing definitely won't be cheap.

[fallen bloom]

It was never supposed to be the budget option

[rough jacinth]

True, but if it's priced well above both the Odin 2 and Steam Deck, it's going to be a hard sell.

[idle lake]

6” 1440p. Not oled?

[fallen bloom]

No mention of oled

So far

Soundtap is back yay

[idle lake]

I’m starting to think this is going to be more expensive than I was hoping/thinking

[fallen bloom]

Sounds like it

[idle lake]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pocket-s-snapdragon-g3x-gen2-new-android-handheld/coming_soon

IGG page up

Think i should go to bed now. Isn’t it 3am where you are?

[fallen bloom]

Yeah east coast

But I have a baby that won’t sleep

So

[idle lake]

Right. Newborn

Been there

The silver lining to getting laid off because of Covid is I was jobless when she was born lol.

[fallen bloom]

Hey it all worked out

[idle lake]

Wife was also furloughed so we got to have that time with her

The panic that I bought a house and had a kid with no job was real though

[fallen bloom]

I can imagine

But still having both to help with newborn is nice

I think I’m tapping out at 600 for this

[idle lake]

I was hoping for 400 or so but… idk

He keeps stressing the premium build

[fallen bloom]

2 hour presentations and not much info is his MO

Like a school project all over again

[idle lake]

lol

[rough jacinth]

Maybe the early bird price will be $400

[idle lake]

Oooh grip case

Looks nice from bottom at least lol

[rough jacinth]

I was just typing the same thing 🙂

[fallen bloom]

And the side

[idle lake]

Chonk

[fallen bloom]

Watch there be no price announcement

[idle lake]

Someone in chat claimed he said there wouldn’t be.

[fallen bloom]

Well chats mandarin is probably better than mine

[idle lake]

Yeah

Pocket S, it’s like a phone, but not like a phone…

3xx grams, light..

[fallen bloom]

They did that with the air release as well

Didn’t show the full number

Switch oled is 402 g with joycons

[idle lake]

YouTube chat is like oh this better be cheaper than Odin 2…. I’m like what

What are you smoking

[fallen bloom]

We had this discussion before

[rough jacinth]

Yeah, that was cracking me up

[fallen bloom]

It’s just buy a steam deck crowd

[rough jacinth]

No mention of the battery size

[fallen bloom]

Hey it would be nice if it was cheaper though

[idle lake]

15w Tdp is scary if battery is small

[rough jacinth]

Exactly what I was thinking

[fallen bloom]

Aya has experience with that lol

[rough jacinth]

and it's thin so not much space for it

[idle lake]

Original air…

[fallen bloom]

That was like 55 minutes

April release

[idle lake]

Ouch pay now to reserve

More info April

[fallen bloom]

They always do that for the china crowd

[rough jacinth]

Crazy to pay before knowing the full price

[fallen bloom]

It’s like gambling!

[idle lake]

Welp

[fallen bloom]

Again that’s just mainland china crowd

[idle lake]

Hurry up and wait another month or two

[idle lake]

Got that

[rough jacinth]

Sounds like this won't be out for six months

[fallen bloom]

The landscape for handhelds this year looks good at least

[idle lake]

Time to go buy a rg556

[fallen bloom]

That 1080p oled

[idle lake]

Or a pocket air again

[fallen bloom]

“I’ll only consider the rg556 if it’s cheaper than an Odin 2”

[idle lake]

No no they’re saying now it has to be cheaper than rp4 base

Because muh benchmarks

[rough jacinth]

Sounds like they'll be some first impression vids of the 556 out before the sale is over.

[fallen bloom]

Dang

What am I supposed to do with all the money burning a hole then

Donate to emulation for android

?

[rough jacinth]

Buy a $1200 gaming phone and slap a backbone controller on it.

[idle lake]

Current scene over $100 boils down to: buy rp4 pro, buy Odin 2, buy steam deck. Other opinions are invalid.

[fallen bloom]

But not the base Odin 2 , had to be the pro

[rough jacinth]

I'd go with a 556 over the rp4 pro just for the screen and comfort

[fallen bloom]

Rp4 is tiny that’s its appeal

[idle lake]

Pro and con

[fallen bloom]

The 556 I’m hoping the oled is a good panel

[ivory trout]

The 'release' conference is in April. Another 2 months to wait

[fallen bloom]

The Ayaneo pocket s I just hoping it’s handheld price not gaming phone price

[idle lake]

Who knows at the rate we’re going this year something will come out before April to compete

[rough jacinth]

There could be a lot of things out by then

[fallen bloom]

Just slap the G3’s gen 2 in the pocket air shell and release that in the meantime

[idle lake]

That’s what I really want

[rough jacinth]

That's what I really want.

[idle lake]

Lmfao

[rough jacinth]

Jinx

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-all-folks-ending-cartoons-looney-toons-gif-8344269

[fallen bloom]

Have a good day

See you in two months lol

[idle lake]

Ha

[rough jacinth]

Night!

[hushed parrot]

base is fine for 95% of stuff, especially after they implemented swap - the problem is that it's not in stock lol

[lapis dirge]

Two most important bits of the stream for those that missed

680 is the clocks speed for 8g2

[odd dune]

Actually the most important

[merry helm]

did they confirm the architecture and config (no. of ALUs etc) is the same as the adreno 740? just a clock speed difference?

[bitter lantern]

clock speed alone is pretty good confirmation that its not just an a740, a boost like that would provide next to no gain for a huge increase in power consumption

[merry helm]

so its a custom/new config? not 740 or 750?

[bitter lantern]

we didnt get absolute confirmation, but its almost certainly custom

[hearty flint]

No way this will be under 400 even EB. Sigh, maybe ill pick up that new Next. I have an odin 2 but im really not that big a fan of the buttons.

[cinder zealot]

Dual wielding single inverted console shooting?

Next level stuff.

[hushed parrot]

https://retrohandhelds.gg/ayaneo-pocket-s-approaches-what-to-know-before-pre-orders/

[ivory trout]

3 months after the teaser, 6 months after it was announced. Another 2 months to wait for the rest of the details we want and then another month or 2 for shipping.

[hushed parrot]

yeah lol

[hearty flint]

I want to, but over 400 there's no way i can justify the purchase.

However if they manage to keep it under somehow, im in

[cinder zealot]

The high res screen makes it more interesting to me. But I am unsure whether I will get this.

I meant join us on the Next Lite 😄

[hearty flint]

Oh haha

[swift harness]

so hold on, we barely got any info or?

nvm

I completely glanced over it

[vital palm]

Nice clock

[swift harness]

thanks

oh

[vital palm]

The stream was all clock no?

Ah wait that was just youtube nvm

https://www.youtube.com/live/0DtwSzr2IWc?feature=shared

[spiral moon]

There were two streams

Probably just technical issues

[vital palm]

Ah

[cinder zealot]

You should never cross streams

[vital palm]

Honestly, if this turns out to be good, I may just sell all my handhelds and get this

I do like the look

[spiral moon]

It's a good look, but it has tiny buttons, switch sticks and no ergonomics without a grip

[swift harness]

Ngl rn it's
"Get an MM+"
"Get a 2S"
"Get an RP4 Pro"
"Get an odin 2 / next lite"
"Get a deck"
"Get an ally"

Don't really see ayaneo creating a new spot

Especially with that design

Already bit pissed at anbernic for using switch sticks on the 556

[swift harness]

Fingerprint magnet too

[pulsar pebble]

$700

[cinder zealot]

Anbernic and Powkiddy be mad at you

[swift harness]

yeah I didn't put the RGB30 and all of that

I love it but if I included the "gimmicky" ones, we'd be here with a long list

[spiral moon]

Sneaking in the Next Lite there is an interesting choice

[swift harness]

it would be dumb to ignore that it's a very affordable x86 device

299

[spiral moon]

Not anymore

350 now

[swift harness]

yeah the 299 sku isn't out yet

only 16-512 is

[spiral moon]

Didn't it sell out?

[swift harness]

nah it's orderable rn

all 3 colors

global free shipping is appealing, especially for countries like Australia

[spiral moon]

I mean the 299 sku

[swift harness]

oh, it was never out

[spiral moon]

That was limited to my knowledge

[swift harness]

349 sku got reduced to 299 for a limited batch

next skus drop in march iirc

at the end of the day, it's just a 2280 nvme

[swift harness]

so assuming it doesn't have any issues, going to be recommendable for x86

cause it dropkicks the win600 and loki zero

[cinder zealot]

$299 will be back out in March/April

It was just the early birds, plus a few of the middle SKU out now

[spiral moon]

It's only really relevant if you're not in somewhere with easy deck availability, since you can get the 64gb new for 349

Which is well worth the 50

[pulsar pebble]

Oh you're taking about something else lol

[cinder zealot]

I think that covers all the world that is not the USA though 😄

[swift harness]

aussies finally getting a chance to get affordable x86

[swift harness]

yeah we're on the next lite lol

[spiral moon]

Oh no doubt, it is important

[pulsar pebble]

Don't know that one

[spiral moon]

But it's in a weird place where it's recommended "if you can't ship from the Steam store"

Have to ask everyone where they live before recommending

[swift harness]

I'm still getting PTSD

wait how much is the 64gb for you

[cinder zealot]

I think you misunderstood. It's not just places that don't have an official steam store, although there are a lot of those.

It's that even places that do have that almost certainly won't have the 64gb version any more. And the 264gb version is more costly than it is in the USA. $450 in the UK.

[swift harness]

cause I don't think steam store does a flat conversion for deck it seems

[cinder zealot]

Nah, they vary depending on the market

All big brand electronics do

[spiral moon]

Point still stands that the recommendation change drastically depending on availability. If you have a decent pre-owned market for instance, I'd recommend a cheap 64gb deck

They're cheap enough to be worth the pre-owned risk

[swift harness]

we'll need to wait for reviews tbh

[spiral moon]

But obviously that only applies to certain places

[swift harness]

cause god that deck screen pissed me off

they obv cheaped out on it and after using full srgb coverage devices for long enough, I noticed hard the inaccuracies

[spiral moon]

349 + tax for me for the 64gb model

[pulsar pebble]

WHAT

Prove it

[swift harness]

seems in line with what I have on the site

[swift harness]

439 CAD for me, which is ~330 USD

[cinder zealot]

Just to speed this up...

Not every country has cheap steam decks.
Not everyone wants a steam deck.
This has a bigger battery, better CPU, better screen, better wifi, more ports, and is cheaper.
It's the most powerful device at its price point by some margin.
Second hand comes with extra risk, and you can always get a better device secondhand. Why get a steam deck when you can get a second hand Ally...etc.

[pulsar pebble]

Oh I selected the 256 lol

[swift harness]

this also has hall sticks OOTB if that's important to you ig

[pulsar pebble]

I put a set in my deck

[spiral moon]

The deck is what I'd recommend if you can get it for the proper price point. It has better controls, a lot more power, better battery (bigger doesn't matter) and vastly superior ergonomics)

[pulsar pebble]

Idk how important that really is

[spiral moon]

Pretty hard to gloss over the power difference

[swift harness]

longevity

[cinder zealot]

A lot more power is debatable. Next Lite has a better CPU, Steam Deck has a bettre GPU.

[swift harness]

the power diff is that there's not that much of one

the next lite chips are very close

[cinder zealot]

Next lite could well be better at some emulation.

[swift harness]

though I guess the sub 8W perf would be better on deck

[spiral moon]

Benchmarks are benchmarks, the deck performs way better in games

[cinder zealot]

Oh, by a long way 😄

[spiral moon]

Besides emulation possibly

[pulsar pebble]

Actual customer support vs a meme

[swift harness]

valve became a meme for a while

[pulsar pebble]

Replacement parts

[cinder zealot]

If you mean PC games, then yeah, probably. Better GPU.

[cinder zealot]

Definitely a point to valve there.

[swift harness]

during the oled launch, their support quality dropped like a rock it seems

[cinder zealot]

Still probably better than Aya though 👀

[spiral moon]

I assume that's what 99% of people want an x86 handheld for

[swift harness]

hard to not beat them tbh

[spiral moon]

And not dodgy PS3 emulation

[swift harness]

PS3 emu would be better on this tbf

[pulsar pebble]

Not making excuses, but I can't imagine supporting a Linux computer purchased by people who were used to the bumper lanes of the Switch was fun to handle in a support-sense

[cinder zealot]

From what I've seen, most seem to be getting it for a mixture. It's not like valve which is more mass market.

Personally I am all in on the emu side.

[pulsar pebble]

Anyway, no pricing on the S eh?

[swift harness]

DOA for me

glass is glass and glass breaks and smudges

glass is also horrible for thermals

[pulsar pebble]

Yeah but you knew all that already

That wasn't a mystery

[swift harness]

15W TDP apparently

the screen is gonna look great, that's for sure

[cinder zealot]

Pimax. But good.

[swift harness]

don't believe we've seen G3x gen 2 in action just yet?

oh hold on, have we?

[cinder zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asm5509iwxg

[manic sapphire]

i'd do 450, maaaaaybe 500, i actually would have preferred a 5.5inch screen, or 5, I feel like 6 takes it out of pocketable, ah well, maybe stick with my 405m, i don't really play anything above ps2 for emulation

[swift harness]

yeah I keep seeing this thing

[pulsar pebble]

Oh yeah this ain't a pocketable device, which makes those joysticks a funny inclusion

[cinder zealot]

Sounds like you'd be more of a candidate for an RP4 pro to be honest.

[manic sapphire]

yeah, for me it is also about the premium build, prefer it not to jus tbe plastic, that is more of a dumb aesthetic hangup for me

otherwise, yeah agree, rp4

[swift harness]

yeah doesn't seem like we have any proper game benchmarks

[cinder zealot]

Just add 10% to the 8gen2, you won't be far off

[swift harness]

the hell is this

it's just the "this is too premium"

[cinder zealot]

That's for devices that don't have a finger print reader

[spiral moon]

You too, can purchase a AYANEO Hole

[cinder zealot]

Which is getting less common now. Even the Pocket Air has one

[spiral moon]

It's a useful upgrade for old devices

[swift harness]

if I can cross-example, refer to https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/chromebooks/12-14/galaxy-chromebook--256gb-storage--8gb-ram---fiesta-red-xe930qca-k01us/

I'm absolutely comparing it to a chromebook

[cinder zealot]

I don't use it on mine. It already has a pin. I don't need that much security on it.

[spiral moon]

All the Samsung laptops plummet in price

[swift harness]

this was 999$ MSRP

[hushed parrot]

i use fingerprint on my odin just bc its convenient

[spiral moon]

I can imagine someone who uses it as a main PC docked would like that as they may have important info on it

[hushed parrot]

but yeah when i had the odin 1 i didnt even have a pin

just wasn't worth breaking that flow for me

[swift harness]

I just have the swipe

[cinder zealot]

Maybe? I dunno. I've not got a finger print reader on my phone or laptop, and it's fine 🤷‍♂️

[hushed parrot]

what phone do you have?

[swift harness]

this took a pretty long time to drop actually

and even then, it's 350-500 now

[hushed parrot]

i havent heard of a fingerprintless phone in years

[cinder zealot]

My Pocket Air mostly has a pin because I've never bothered to turn it off 😄

[cinder zealot]

Pixel 7a. It has a finger print reader, but I've never enabled it.

[hushed parrot]

oh, you just don't use it

fair enough, i guess

[cinder zealot]

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't clear

[hushed parrot]

idk i honestly find it more convenient for stuff like phones and tablets

when it works well its like i dont even have a lockscreen at all

course my phone is a galaxy s10 so it rarely works that well

[cinder zealot]

My phone unlocks by seeing my face

[peak oriole]

what a disaster

[cinder zealot]

My face isn't that bad

[idle lake]

So TL:DR; for everyone not willing to go back through the stream, discord, etc:

6" 1440p IPS Screen. No mention of more than 60hz refresh rate.
G3x Gen 2 CPU is like a slightly overclocked 8gen2, but the GPU allegedly is ~30-50% faster than Adreno 740 in the 8g2, possibly different GPU.
Hall sticks/triggers, microSD, xbox/guide button in addition to usual aya buttons, performance mode toggle switch.
Metal body (they really liked talking about this).
up to 15w TDP sustained (no mention of battery size though).
Ergonomic grip available.
Up to 16gb/1TB

Full press conference not until April. Hurry up and wait some more. No price info.

[dense jewel]

Don't forget no battery info

If this was more than 60 hz they would have advertised it all over the place

[idle lake]

I did mention: "up to 15w TDP sustained (no mention of battery size though)."

[ivory trout]

100% it would have been stated. It's most definitely a 60hz panel

[radiant bough]

https://youtu.be/KratH4qMsBM?si=oNjeb61Mo7r_qP0E

[swift harness]

EVERY TIME

[pulsar pebble]

AI voiceover of clips from the event? Hold me back

[idle lake]

NITTRX is always the same ai garbage

[swift harness]

they often have exclusive footage or footage that never made it outside china at least

[lapis dirge]

they pull the footage from bilibili u can normally find the og video and just watch it

[fallen bloom]

Yeah it’s just bilibili

[pulsar pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-billy-billyboy-billymadison-gif-19847267

[dense jewel]

It's not AI voice over, it's just regular old robotic voice over. I'm guessing it's a Chinese guy that translates it to English and doesn't want to speak it for obvious reasons

It's low effort content but, no one else is doing it

Can't hate a guy for being on the grind

[idle lake]

$225 reservation price

[spiral moon]

How does the reservation price usually correlatr with the final price?

[lapis dirge]

It’s about half of the igg price usually

But idk which ram/storage config that is

[idle lake]

It's not for any, just generic

There's only one reservation fee

[dense jewel]

Can't really extrapolate any information from this, because there's going to be multiple skus

[idle lake]

Yep, the only reason I went through the cart on the site to see this is someone was claiming the early bird price was $225, total.

I was like, lol, no

[cinder zealot]

It's just foot in the door money.

[idle lake]

yup

[dense jewel]

It's strong evidence that there will be at least one sku around $450 though

[idle lake]

was the pocket air $150 reservation

The survey also listed 4 ram options, 6, 8, 12, 16

[lapis dirge]

It was $140

[cinder zealot]

Chinese price is normally less than international price.

[lapis dirge]

And that ended up being the lowest sku

[idle lake]

I guess one would probably want 12gb if considering switch emulation

[dense jewel]

6gb is pretty meme

[swift harness]

8gb/12gb

8gb minimum is what yuzu needs, odin 2 bases are going fine with some swap

the software is still gonna be the bottleneck anyway

[swift harness]

I didn't read that as yen for a second

and was like "oh wow so it's actually DOA"

[ivory trout]

If there is a $450 6gb then thats a complete joke

[pulsar pebble]

This thing gonna cost more than Decks

[ivory trout]

I wouldn't even be surprised but I will laugh my ass off

[spiral moon]

That's what you pay for "flagship phone craftsmanship"

[pulsar pebble]

Needs more quotation marks

Ayaneo gonna sell like 14 of these

GPD XP+ moment

[cinder zealot]

Let's be honest, unless the 6gb model (if it exists) is very well priced, it's just there to say the handheld starts at x price.

[odd dune]

People shouldn't be surprised by the pricing ayaneo does with handheld by now

People should know by now they are going to charge a premium and your first born

[cinder zealot]

Recent stuff has been pretty well priced. Next Lite, AMO1/2, slide flip geek, etc.

Top SKU's are pricey, but if someone wants to spend tons on 64gb RAM, well, that's on them really.

[odd dune]

They are also using older chips so that's probably a big reason why lol

[cinder zealot]

On 2 of the 6 I mentioned, yes 🙂

[swift harness]

I mean

AM01 was also trash bin parts

[odd dune]

Those other handheld are priced just as much as the ally and go

[swift harness]

like the 100$ atari console competes with it in performance

[dense jewel]

If the 6 GB model was $300 that would be interesting

[odd dune]

Atari wins

[cinder zealot]

They were what they were. About the going rate for those parts. For older games or indies or media servers or whatever.

[dense jewel]

Like it would be incapable of doing switch, but it could upscale the hell out of PS2 and GameCube

[cinder zealot]

Yeah, and about as powerful as them, which is fair.

[swift harness]

6GB model saddens me

[odd dune]

Buying 6 is weird for this handheld

[pulsar pebble]

Well, not that fair at least in the West where you're far more likely to not experience warranty or support woes when working with larger brands

[swift harness]

exactly this

[odd dune]

16gb 1tb gonna burn a hole in people's pocket

[swift harness]

it's so clearly meant as a jab to the odin 2 but it's horrible how that jab is half baked

[odd dune]

Good thing I have no need for my pockets

They did a jab that had no power lol

Where the he'll is the spec sheet dang it

[swift harness]

"pioneering"

[odd dune]

All this power and no info on battery

[swift harness]

the odin 2 can emulate an xbox controller but yeah sure ayaneo

[dense jewel]

If the 6 GB model was cheap enough it would be fun, it'd have to be like $300 though or else it just doesn't make sense

[swift harness]

the separate home button is cool tho, I'll give em that

[cinder zealot]

Yeah, sure, support is a downside.

Choice is an upside.

I'm not saying any of them are deal of the century. I am just saying they are decent prices.

[odd dune]

I think because the control itself is connected so it's not eumlated?

Idk ayaneo likes to puff the chest out

[swift harness]

wait

hold on

wait a minute this is-

the sticks are not the same ?

[odd dune]

Top is a render

[swift harness]

did they move to ksilver sticks instead

[odd dune]

They look like the pocket air sticks

Decent sicks but I wish it was bigger

[cinder zealot]

Stubbs nubbs compatible.

[odd dune]

[swift harness]

still switch sticks either way lol

[pulsar pebble]

Wish the sticks werent so low profile

So over that for stuff you cant pocket anyways

[odd dune]

If this thing supports mobile data

That would be a dope feature

[pulsar pebble]

That's always a fun idea but the cost never pans out

[idle lake]

Yeah I don't really see the appeal unless you are heavily doing online android games

I can always just hotspot

[swift harness]

yeah these images are fairly recent

[cinder zealot]

Depends on what country you are in, different models in different places.

I get unlimited data.

[swift harness]

about 2 weeks old

that genshin screenshot shows a char trial that dropped 2 weeks ago

[odd dune]

I'm sad they didn't roll on the banner on stream

[pulsar pebble]

I can only speak from the perspective of the USA where the monthly cost really wouldn't be worth it. As evidenced by the fact that 4g (or whatever) enabled devices outside fo cell phones and the occasional iPad never really do well

[idle lake]

Arthur posted on 1st they were shooting advertising videos, so I think very recent.

[swift harness]

"here's your money vanishing, dear customers"

[odd dune]

Lol

[swift harness]

dear god

[odd dune]

Just a full 10 weapon roll

[swift harness]

so much on the install

[idle lake]

Looks like lots of test apps tho

qualcomm and stuff

wouldn't be on a prod model

[swift harness]

let's hope ™️

[cinder zealot]

That's cool. I was just making the point that in a lot of countries it doesn't cost much, so it's a welcome feature.

[pulsar pebble]

For sure, ultimately the Chinese market is going to always drive their design

[ivory trout]

Not if it increases the price for the majority that won't use it

[pulsar pebble]

XP+ had 4g, but nobody bought that either

[swift harness]

what was the specs of the xp+ even

Helio G95 it seems

[ivory trout]

D1200

[pulsar pebble]

It was the first d1200 handheld iirc

Plus a bunch of different grips

[swift harness]

ah

[idle lake]

still reasonable power today, but weird form factor

[ivory trout]

The G95 was the original XP iirc

[swift harness]

that's why I got confused then

[pulsar pebble]

It didn't sell well, GPD stopped acknowledging its existence, etc

[ivory trout]

They dropped it faster than a hot potato

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-keith-hmm-thinking-maybe-doubtful-gif-27071344

[pulsar pebble]

Eh the form factor was fine. Lots of real estate for different kinds of platforms, ergonomic grips, nice high sticks.

[swift harness]

yknow what would be funny

6gb sku
12gb sku
16gb sku

no 8gb sku

though at this point, if you're gonna drop so much cash on this, you may as well go 12gb

[south glacier]

according to qualcomm G3x gen 2 performs 30%+ than 8 Gen 2 on Odin

Anyone know will it actually perform on Pocket S?

[swift harness]

massive doubts about that ngl

safe 10%

[south glacier]

Pocket S seems went for look design instead of

Performance & Ergonomics

[idle lake]

I think they're claiming it performs better than 8g2 in a phone that isn't actively cooled

which the odin is not

[swift harness]

also where is that

[vital palm]

this voice is powered by the same chat gpt that generated those adam sandler images

[lapis dirge]

According to aya it has an almost 50%ish clock speed advantage

If that’s true that would equate to more than that on the gpu side

[swift harness]

I mean, aya can say anything they want, there's no decisive info previously released

qualcomm's site says it's a 30% bump over the g3x gen 1, not sd8gen2 it seems

[lapis dirge]

That’s cpu wise

[swift harness]

yeah cpu-side

[lapis dirge]

Which won’t even be 10% better than 8g2

[south glacier]

Although not very found of ODIN 2 design still, I am guessing 8 Gen 2 inside it performs better than normal smartphones 8 Gen 2 like galaxy or oneplus phones

[swift harness]

the phones are thermal throttle party

[swift harness]

it's why I'm waiting for reviews because this chipset has no real info out compared to the o2

[south glacier]

Don't it needs to but Odin 2 should get 2S version with this same chip

[swift harness]

?

[south glacier]

Ya G3x Gen 2 on Ayn Odin 2S

it will be apples to apples than

[swift harness]

doubt that's gonna happen, they're already going good with the 8gen2

[idle lake]

I would setlle for an odin 2 with a screen that doesn't have ghosting, and better right stick placement. One can dream.

I mean do you really need more than odin 2 performance?

At this point the software is bottleneck

[swift harness]

not at all lol

[lapis dirge]

I am pretty happy with Odin 2 as it is

Fixing the ghosting would be nice

[idle lake]

I wanted to like it, but the ghosting bothered me and the ergo was so so

[lapis dirge]

But a new chip raising the price I would be against

[idle lake]

the chip is fine

[swift harness]

yeah that's not happening, doesn't bother me thankfully

[idle lake]

I mean the odin og had more than one panel variation?

possible there's a different panel at some point

[swift harness]

wdym?

[idle lake]

but not fixed on existing units, no

[lapis dirge]

Maybe could have fixed it silently over time kinda thing. Have heard ppl say their unit doesn’t have any ghosting

[odd dune]

Give me a metal shell for o2

[lapis dirge]

It’s a brick at that point

[idle lake]

I think it's more whether people notice it or not, I don't think it's actual panel variation. But I could be wrong.

[swift harness]

bought mine last month, there's still ghosting

[odd dune]

Gives that x86 weight to it lol

[idle lake]

I've seen YT videos where they say the screen is fine but Ic an see the ghosting

[swift harness]

you wanna work out with it?

jeez man

[odd dune]

Yes

[lapis dirge]

Plz no just maybe find a v2 panel but even without that due to me mostly playing 3d stuff on it I don’t mind the ghosting a whole lot

[odd dune]

Getting gains while holding it

[cinder zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/chemicalcranberry-chad-gigachad-chair-gamer-gif-22376820

[idle lake]

I guess it was just the first thing I saw after dropping a bunch of money, turn on device, ghosting.

bad initial impression

[lapis dirge]

I went base cheap which could affect my feelings on that

[idle lake]

I mean $300 still isn't insignificant

[lapis dirge]

I paid the super fan so it was 240+ shipping

[idle lake]

ohh

[swift harness]

my biggest complaint with the o2 isn't even with the hardware

it's that holy SHIT android launchers aren't mature

[lapis dirge]

I always use stock android

[swift harness]

frontends would be the word

there's a handful of em and all of them are either abandoned or lack features you'd take for granted

[cinder zealot]

I will never understand why people care about launchers.

You click on the emulator, you click on the game, the game starts.

🤷‍♂️

[fallen bloom]

Or are a pain to set up right like pegasus

[swift harness]

exactly

[fallen bloom]

It makes it look prettier

[cinder zealot]

For the 5 seconds you are there 😄

[fallen bloom]

But at the end of the day once in game it doesn’t matter

[swift harness]

it makes it more streamlined, I'm used to linux handhelds sooo

[idle lake]

Because most of the userbase spend more time setting up and fiddling than actually playing games

[lapis dirge]

I take the admire the front ends from afar approach

[cinder zealot]

Well, yes, that is my other thought 😄

[swift harness]

unironically yeah

though I also blame that on my horrible sleep schedule

[cinder zealot]

Linux like garlic or onion or something I get. Makes the thing giftable to a child, and you rarely need to go anywhere else.

But in Android even if you spend hours setting up a launcher and scraping art and whatever....you still need to come out of it a lot.

[odd dune]

Come out of what

[swift harness]

oh nah if one launcher is perfect, that thing is gonna be set as the home page

because a perfect launcher allows me to show my android apps too

[odd dune]

Yea have beacon as my home on my pocket air

[cinder zealot]

Like daijisho or something. You'll always have emulators that don't work with it, or need to go to the play store, or github page, or go to android settings or various other things.

[odd dune]

It's great after I got my box art

[swift harness]

I meannnn

[odd dune]

Obtaining fixes that for me

[swift harness]

the emus that don't work with daijisho are also outdated and their libretro cores are better

[cinder zealot]

I do need to look into obtanium.

[odd dune]

It's my best friend

[swift harness]

obtainium, my beloved

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/gurren-lagann-simon-gl-gif-21060787

[cinder zealot]

Yaba pro 2 and vita3k disagree 😛

[swift harness]

forgot about vita3k

[odd dune]

What is yaba

[swift harness]

saturn emu

[odd dune]

Oh

[swift harness]

though can't you just use beetle saturn

or is it just dogshit

[cinder zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/nights-nights-into-dreams-nights-into-dreams-sega-sega-sonic-team-gif-25563994

Saturn is odd, every handheld has a certain emulator it needs, and seems to reject all others 😄

[odd dune]

I don't play Saturn so I'm one of the lucky few

[cinder zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/panzer-dragoon-panzer-dragoon-zwei-golia-gif-25821412

Missing out

Favourite thing about Saturn....it was the first console to have loads of space, as CD's were huge.

They didn't really know what to do with it. So you ended up with badly acted live action cut scenes and weird pop music in games.
Like, try Sonic R, and it'll be a lady singing about love or something.

[swift harness]

https://gist.github.com/RJNY/e65f453ec707661ea13504beef7e86e2

my beloved

[odd dune]

Unless Saturn has some killer RPGs then I'm good

[cinder zealot]

Mate....that's pretty much the genre it excelled in the most 😄 it was sort of not great at 3D games, so struggled with some genre's. But RPGS are perfect.

https://retrododo.com/best-sega-saturn-rpgs/

Dragonforce 🤘

[odd dune]

didn't half of these get remasters or somethin

I have a couple of these

[cinder zealot]

Some would have, but stuff like shining the holy arc is saturn only as far as I know

[odd dune]

love me soul hackers

[fallen bloom]

Living in the city

You know you have to survive

Got to keep that dream alive

[cinder zealot]

Haha, @fallen bloom knows whats up.

https://youtu.be/kRcungXe0Fs?si=_aAOp8FEyILGvAKF&t=41

I mean, why???

[fallen bloom]

Idk

It’s been years and that song is still stuck in my head

[cinder zealot]

I'm not knocking the song....it just doesn't really fit with a sonic racing game 😄

[safe falcon]

Beacon lets you do this now

[swift harness]

yeah I know

lacks a bunch of "essential" features imo so I don't use it

[rough jacinth]

The input lag measurements for the Odin 2 is what has prevented me from pulling the trigger. It sounds like it's primarily due to the panel response time. If by some miracle the Pocket S has a price in the ballpark of the Odin 2 Pro and input lag on par with other Android handhelds like the RP4, I'll grab one.

[vocal lava]

aren't you able to use runahead in most emulators with no problem

[swift harness]

yea

though I don't really feel much lag, russ's measurements are really to take with a grain of salt

some people are more sensitive to it

[vocal lava]

honestly a handful of salt lol

[swift harness]

would be interesting if he did measurements with the rp4

confusing myself rn

[rough jacinth]

There were a few folks on reddit who did input lag tests, but they weren't very scientific either. It would be nice if someone with a high speed camera did some more definitive tests. https://www.reddit.com/r/OdinHandheld/comments/18is9me/a_brief_analysis_of_input_lag_on_the_odin_2/

I'm fairly sensitive to input lag. I know I can probably get rid of most of it with runahead for a lot of systems. I just can't get over dropping that much cash on a handheld with above average lag.

[vocal lava]

you can always resell it here for pretty much the same amount you paid for it lol

[swift harness]

jeez

"not very scientific" defines it well, we don't even know how he connected them

oh I'm so dumb

I actually thought he was using the controller on both devices

someone is selling theirs because of the lag, they were going to replace it with an S23 + a controller, realized the lag is on there too

something that also should be measured is latency under linux

[rough jacinth]

True, lol

[vocal lava]

hell if you sold a base for 300 with like week long shipping and not month long shipping I'd buy it

[rough jacinth]

The few tests out there that suggest that there's some additional latency with the Odin 2 hardware compared to other Android devices like Retroid's, possibly due to the screen response time. Those tests could definitely be flawed, though.

[swift harness]

4px's pretty fast

[swift harness]

think some dev tested and it's not display related and instead controller-level but I could be wrong

actually only thing I can find is the opposite

but not scientific still, we need a proper one

including android and linux to see if it's driver-level

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133939993694445641/1198261572083134484/IMG_9464.mov?ex=65d0b80d&is=65be430d&hm=8dd52e9f9e26daf412cdc904c7097b5f1b815f69df944eb060c8203dda0b2136&

here's the vid, internal display seems to be lagging behind by 16ms aka one frame

[rough jacinth]

Interesting. I wonder how that compares with other handhelds.

[cinder zealot]

I think run ahead is just a retroarch thing isn't it?

[astral kindle]

Was this shared here yet?

https://youtu.be/EJv7JdyY7_g?si=-1AlhcirdHKdPQeb

[swift harness]

fairly sure it was

we made fun of it

[astral kindle]

Why gun lmao

[odd dune]

because its shooting fire out of the vents

[quartz viper]

And the funny thing is that these are the actual ayaneo promotion videos.

[wild tiger]

No way

[cinder zealot]

I think they called the first one the baby sleeping position grip. So holding the handheld was like being in a womb. Or something.

[odd dune]

Lmao

[fallen bloom]

Yeah first one was Ayaneo 2, second is Air commercial and the last one is this one

[wild tiger]

Wtf

[cinder zealot]

Yeah, just to be clear....I wasn't making a joke 😆

[ivory trout]

I guess we've got to wait until April for some stupid reason

[idle lake]

From aya discord

[swift harness]

the aya launcher (aynspace???) is prob the best thing they've made though

[late anvil]

not their android launcher

[swift harness]

it looks sleek what can I say

[odd dune]

Barely anyone uses it on the pocket air because it's complicated for no reason

Looks clean if you put in the work to get it running

[late anvil]

still waiting for them to fix usb file transfer

[odd dune]

[cinder zealot]

Ayaneo banter is unique banter.

[idle lake]

Don’t you just have to toggle the poorly translated “hand lever” option off?

[pulsar pebble]

[late anvil]

yes

[humble wadi]

Do you think it’s worth to pre-order it if i’m in china ?

[rough jacinth]

It seems crazy place a deposit on a pre-order without knowing the full price.

[humble wadi]

I should have been smarter about it’s probably just a down payment

[rough jacinth]

I wish they'd just announce the price, but that's not happening until April

[ruby vessel]

I saw $225 price tag on some Twitter post

[rough jacinth]

That's the reservation price. You give them $225 now to reserve it and some unknown amount later to buy it.

[ripe bloom]

At that price isn't getting a refurbished steam deck better?

[swift harness]

at this price, you're about 70$ away from a base o2 just for the reservation alone

if we're staying in the androids

[odd dune]

People shouldn't be looking at this thinking price is gonna be cheap lol

Pocket $ is more like it

[idle lake]

If we are talking performance to dollars, with no other considerations for size/screen/os/etc, then yes deck or odin 2 will probably be better performance per dollar.

But they're not targeting steam deck owners.

Well, that's a lie, I'm a steam deck owner and still want a Pocket S lol

It might not make sense as an ONLY device if you purely want the maximum performance for the cheapest price.

[cinder zealot]

I wonder how cheap you need to be to stop people saying a second hand steam deck is better. Even if the console is nothing like it in size, battery, not x86, etc.

$400? $300? $200? I'm sure I have seen some people suggesting it as an alternative for the RP4 Pro.

I get mentioning it as an option. But saying it's better?
It's like saying a second hand laptop is better than a Deck. It's just a different option.

[quartz viper]

well. someone said to buy a used steam deck over a $30 thinkview. And that is pretty cheap right there.

[swift harness]

lmao

that thinkview is tempting but it doesn't ship to me

[cinder zealot]

😞

[ivory trout]

Even you were saying people should buy an x86 handheld over the Odin 2 due to the price so this seems a bit hypocritical

[bitter lantern]

Dont buy this unless you truely only care about having the best performing android handheld. If price is even a moderate consideration just go for an odin 2 or if youre really looking to save rp4/pro.

[dense jewel]

It probably won't even be the best performing Android handheld, a gaming phone with 8g3 and controller will probably beat it

Unless you don't count that

[fallen bloom]

I don’t think anyone was surprised this isn’t the budget option

[idle lake]

How about, buy it if you want it, don’t if you don’t want it?

[remote plover]

i would like to add that even if this is the best performing android handheld.........we are still limited by android emulation apps...........

[swift harness]

Vita3k, yuzu, aethersx2

Apart from aethersx2, will take a very long while for the software to catch up

[south glacier]

Ayaneo Pocket S more expensive than Ayaneo Next Lite what a day to be alive

[ivory trout]

One is basically using recycled parts and the other is a brand new chip with a better screen

[cinder zealot]

I mean, pimax, razer edge, pocket air, G cloud...lots of android handhelds more expensive than the Next Lite 😄

[wet totem]

It's just nonsensical. It rests upon the assumption that everyone uses handhelds under the exact same parameters.

Even something like "does it make sense to play it on a train" is going to vary greatly depending on what type of train, how long you're on the train, how long of a walk to the train, whether you transfer, the seating arrangement on the train, etc.

[ivory trout]

Agreed

[wet totem]

Like yeah, if you drive a car to a commuter rail station, steam deck might make sense. But if you're taking the NYC Subway, maybe you have one transfer and you're on each train for 10 minutes, then I'd even say the Odin 2 is "too much handheld."

[idle lake]

People have different ergonomic needs, different battery life needs, different games they play, different portability preferences, different levels of care about aesthetics, different preferred OSes/UIs, different disposable income, etc…

[wet totem]

If I'm bike touring alone and staying in hotels and will have a lot of downtime, bringing the Odin 2 might be worth the size and weight penalty. But if I'm bike touring with friends and camping, I'm not taking anything more than a Miyoo Mini. In neither case am I hauling a Steam Deck on a 300 mile bike ride.

There's just so much nuance to what people want/need out of a portable video game gadget that it's obscene to confidently assert that one option is inherently the superior option for someone you've never met.

[cinder zealot]

Definitely.

This option is a similar price/spec and worth considering....fine.

This option is better (no context)...... pointless.

[fallen bloom]

That’s why there is a what do I buy channel too

https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/983528709476732998

[vocal lava]

tbf the pocket s will most likely perform better than the next lite

and more battery life, better thermals, possibly better build quality are all most likely gonna be apart of it

[fallen bloom]

Screen is higher resolution

[idle lake]

The pocket s in theory will be the fastest dedicated Android handheld if it lives up to advertised Qualcomm specs.

With a crispy screen and small footprint

[vocal lava]

as long as the g3x gen 2 is actually faster than the 8 gen 2

my only potential issue with the pocket s is the switch joysticks

like come on, y'all could've put some better sticks on than the switch ones

[idle lake]

New benches on geekbench

Odin 2

Unknown what performance profile and doesn’t compare gpu

But at least matching/slightly exceeding on single core

Faster than the previously posted one

[dense jewel]

I mean what you're saying is right as long as you understand that your particular use case is extremely niche. Most people are not going biking and camping, most people are playing it in their car or on the bus/train or on the couch, those things make up probably 90% of people

[south glacier]

If the performance is very similar to Odin 2 & higher in price.

AYN will have no reasons to reduce prices ever

thats just sad

[idle lake]

It’s still a higher res and possibly better display. And the GPU is allegedly better. And it’s thinner for portability. But yeah go ahead and buy an Odin 2 if you don’t care about those things 🤷🏻‍♂️

[south glacier]

It looks great like any other Ayaneo thing for sure

[idle lake]

Not everyone gets a Lexus. Many are happy with a Toyota that’s just as fast.

[south glacier]

But i also want something more ergo comfortable and cheap to play more and more games for longer hours to actually complete games

I am looking it like, lets just say - if Pocket S 300$ base price - much better than Odin 2 in every way

Than AYN drops Odin 2 to - 249$

[idle lake]

I don’t see why ayn would drop their price. It appears to be a well selling device and most people love it.

300 for an 8g2 is already crazy pricing

[south glacier]

Where I live smartphones are coming with 8 Gen 2 around 300$

Its all just a pipe dream any way

[dense jewel]

All I want at this point is for them to offer the other color variations on the base model

Like I get it, they needed to make their paper and they have bigger profit margins on the higher models but it's time to open up the color options

[south glacier]

I want sandstone crystal version, so i can have all my collection in matching

anbernic, retroid & ayn

[fallen bloom]

Well don't count on retroid. They like to discontiue colorways

My poor indigo

[south glacier]

RG35xx & H, RP4PRo, missing Ayn Odin2

[dense jewel]

I wouldn't say they like to discontinue color options, more like they only allow a certain number of options and they like to switch it up so when one thing gets brought in something has to go

[south glacier]

Why ayn had discontinue crystal version, they had in original Odin 1

[fallen bloom]

“Limited edition “ flip begs to differ

[wet totem]

Right that's exactly my point--I don't expect people to use these things the same way I do.

So I think it's pretty absurd that people would minimize the nuanced differences in how people use these things in insisting that one particular device is inherently the best tool for the job.

Hence sharing a rather niche situation in which I use a handheld--we've all got our own niche circumstances under which we want to play games. Your niche circumstances are almost certainly going to be different than my niche circumstances. Hence why I can share my perspectives on what devices have worked well for me and why, but I would never, ever tell you that you're "wrong" about prioritizing size, weight, platform, etc, in relation to other considerations.

[pulsar pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-praise-the-chicken-was-lovely-gif-9810578

[quartz viper]

https://tenor.com/view/new-girl-jessica-day-zooey-deschanel-jess-day-food-gif-18111694

[vocal lava]

I feel like the battery life is really whats going to make or break this handheld

[fallen bloom]

That’s not food related

[cinder zealot]

As long as you don't count PC/Wii U/PS3/Xbox/360, or PS2 and Switch it will have compatibility issues with, then yes.

It's just back and forth depending on what games you are talking about.

They are different things, with crossover.

[idle lake]

Benchmark performance comparisons between Android/ARM and x86 are kinda meaningless. Different devices for different purposes.

[cinder zealot]

You mean geek bench scores and things?

Yeah, absolutely.

You can compare the same games and their FPS and stuff.

But even there x86 Vs ARM are so different there are usually other factors to consider.

Unless you have a really specific question, like what's the cheapest way to play xyz full speed PS2 game, and don't care about anything else.

It's like comparing an x86 handheld to a laptop. Crossover, can make some comparisons, but different.

[pulsar pebble]

I have no interest in this thing until I know how much it's going to cost

My actual interest will entirely be based on that

[swift harness]

ETA is impressed with literally everything

waiting for the russ review

[grave light]

The funny thing is he didn't like the dpad on the flip so it must be really bad

[covert gust]

Who want’s to do bets on him calling it a BEAST device

[swift harness]

it looks really flush

same for the face buttons, no inset

[fallen bloom]

PS3 in the thumbnail. Hype

[idle lake]

RGC supposed to get one to test this week: #🐈│retro-game-corps message

He won't be allowed to talk about performance though...

[fallen bloom]

That’s typical but unfortunate

[dense jewel]

Love how he asks what we want to see tested as if he will actually read the comments and incorporate feedback

ETA prime, man of the people, certainly not a corporate shill

[ruby vessel]

Yo is this a AI controlled\ account? all his videos voice is AI

[grave light]

Eta? Pretty sure he is real, are you thinking of Nitrix

[ruby vessel]

yahhhhh my bad!

Nitrix lol

[swift harness]

Man I wish he was AI

[dense jewel]

Guys, robotic voices existed before AI

Pretty sure it's some Chinese guy who can't speak English so he runs all of his text through a translator

[delicate delta]

Some of his content I like but I actually feel like you're right they just say every device is awesome 😂

[swift harness]

Lmfaoooo

[fallen bloom]

I mean when you release a video a day you don’t have time to write a whole script

[peak oriole]

I'd send my products to channels that don't criticize shit either if I was Ayaneo.

ETA is the QVC of Youtube.

[quartz viper]

You are not alone with that opinion

[smoky pelican]

I am impressed with his childlike wonder for these almost

Not great for reviews, sadly

[dense jewel]

You are confusing childlike wonder with soulless positivity for the sake of being paid

[smoky pelican]

Yeah, could be that

[swift harness]

nice nice

[idle lake]

What game is that on the right, something on PS2?

2048x1776 res...

[swift harness]

they really want to make sure you remember this has a 1440p panel lmao

[idle lake]

One thing that's nice about such a high ppi, integer scaling almost stops mattering

[swift harness]

ngl I stopped caring about it with 1080p

[idle lake]

yep

I mean I guess it depends on display size, too, to some extent

[swift harness]

especially when you could run a shader to remove the jagginess

or at least attenuate it

those photos are really good though,odd they didn't clean the lint under the sticks

[idle lake]

I usually don't bother with shaders. TBH I don't get too bothered by integer scaling on most nicer displays. Only really gets ugly when you have displays that are like 320x240 and such.

[ruby vessel]

this you?

[hazy coral]

No, their from the Ayaneo discord

[ruby vessel]

ohh interesting thanks!

[timber dragon]

Deserves a PIN.

[quartz viper]

It is funny. We'll pin it for now.

[late socket]

Sorry I'm very late to the party - have any prices been announced?

[swift harness]

no

[idle lake]

Gotta wait until April

[swift harness]

seems there are geekbenches for it out

matches the o2

so the igpu is the one making the difference

[fallen bloom]

Dam it’s slim

https://youtu.be/au5KcmMBWpI?feature=shared

Comments are the typical

[swift harness]

either "woah looks cool"
"not worth it for the price"
"1440p is overkill for this small of a device"

[fallen bloom]

Not sure what we are smoking here but I want some of it

[swift harness]

what is that from

transcript from eta's video?

[fallen bloom]

The comments

[swift harness]

gotcha

[fallen bloom]

ETA just said the same thing as always

[swift harness]

he confirmed the cpu-side perf is pretty much 1:1 to sd8gen2

pretty much my only interaction with him and the best he's given us

doubt it'll be odin 2 price-performance though

[fallen bloom]

Yeah no way

[swift harness]

12GB sku has been "confirmed" by the geekbench

[fallen bloom]

But it also has some better stuff so it doesn’t have to match the Odin price

[swift harness]

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/4838641

so I'm guessing 8-12-16, like o2

info left is:

• gpu benchmarks
• battery size
• how does it handle heat
• obv battery life

I'm missing a bunch of stuff like ergonomics, pocketability, price

[fallen bloom]

Price is the biggest hangup for people for sure

Rog phone 8 apparently got 3.5 hours stress test on genshin at 5500 battery

And that’s relatively thin as well

So not expecting this to match Odin’s battery

[idle lake]

I know ETA gets hate but ngl, watching that video just made me want this more

[swift harness]

he hasn't really shown anything out of the ordinary

[idle lake]

But it’s the first video to show some real usage besides some heavily edited promo clips

[fallen bloom]

You mean the gun shooting didn’t convince you at first?

[odd dune]

You gonna get shot talking smack about the pocket gun

I mean pocket s

[fallen bloom]

Still hoping for lte 5g

[dense jewel]

I pretty much completely agree with that comment

What part don't you agree with

[fallen bloom]

The it has to match the price to succeed

[odd dune]

People are going to buy it regardless of price because that's just how some are and I'm sure it does way better in Asian market then the west

They really don't have to match the o2 price

[fallen bloom]

It’s a higher res screen with hidden bezels, cnc material

[odd dune]

I would like it cheaper but I don't see t being cheap since they keep adding the word premium to everything they post lol

[dense jewel]

Depends what you define as a success

If selling 300 units is a success, they can charge whatever they want and probably get that

[quartz viper]

Question for @ivory trout, Do you know what is the average temps and tdp that odin 2 runs at with emulation?

I am just asking because in ETA video. Pocket S seems to run hot

and the TDP is running up to 17w to 20w

[bitter lantern]

I cant imagine its accurate. The temps didnt change much when fan speed changed. And it was apparently running 50-60c idle.

[idle lake]

I think he also said he was only using balanced fan, not max. But yeah I’m curious what the Odin 2 temps are under load.

[idle lake]

I think that’s total draw, not just SoC Tdp

[swift harness]

it's total draw

[idle lake]

and they said up to 15w in official material so add screen and fan etc

[bitter lantern]

Also that power draw, no way in hell thats accurate. 18.5w is insane for an arm chip, even if its peak is supposed to be 15w

[swift harness]

sure hope their overlay software is accurate, kind of the point

[idle lake]

Too much to just guess at this point I guess. Not a final unit and could have software or hardware differences/issues.

[swift harness]

there are still tweaking the software yeah

[quartz viper]

Just wondering as it is a smaller, slimmer device like a phone. I just think it would have thermal throttling if that is the case. Compared to the odin2 which has a bigger shell and better(?) active cooling system for longer gameplay.

[swift harness]

yuzu can do a shit load of stuff without the fan even running

[bitter lantern]

Still early software. Itll get better. Pocket air on release wasnt accurate. And their pc version still bugs out from time to time.

[swift harness]

yeah I heavily doubt that power draw is innacurate

[bitter lantern]

Fan and heat sink look to be smaller on odin shockingly. Fan definitely is, heatsink might be large but theres less surface area for sure.

[swift harness]

i wanna say the thermals on the pocket S might just be worse assuming that fan has been running all this time he's been running the game

[bitter lantern]

If the thermals are accurate then the device is throttling. Unless qualcomm tweaked the thermal limits knowing the chips wouldnt be passively cooled.

[swift harness]

hopefully they didn't nerf the limits lol

[bitter lantern]

Well thats kinda a good thing.

Thermal limits on most arm chips are very very low.

[swift harness]

for the record, I've yet to make the o2 throttle

[bitter lantern]

Higher limits means that the chip can run hotter without throttling.

[swift harness]

it can run at 85C and still not throttle

[bitter lantern]

Yeah its in fine shape.

[bitter lantern]

It shouldnt ever reach that temp.

[swift harness]

?

fan off, stress load

[bitter lantern]

8 gen 2 throttles hard WAY before that. Any fan would prevent it from ever reaching that temp

[swift harness]

TOTK performance didn't drop during that test so that's odd if it throttled

[bitter lantern]

65c is as high as you should ever see it passive. Thats the thermal limit of the chip, throttling begins before that even. You can see steps down at 44c

[swift harness]

then fuck if I know, I can guarantee you it never throttled

the temps only went down when I closed the game

I also forgot link's awakening is a complete nightmare for yuzu android

gdi eta, why did you use this one for testing

[bitter lantern]

Its a nightmare on nce. Strato team is working on getting those wierd graphical issues fixed.

[swift harness]

yeah

just moving around trying to see when it will plateau

using smart fan because I'd say that's the equivalent to balanced

gonna let it sit for a while, give time to heatsoak

[bitter lantern]

Yeah, smart is just the way to go on anything but the pocket air.

Pocket air is so close to running passife that low is more than enough no matter the load.

[swift harness]

oh the o2 could run on quiet just fine

dead silent but still pushes air out

[idle lake]

Anyone else notice the painted nails in the thumbnail?

[swift harness]

I'm just running smart because it would be kinda dumb to have the pocket S be able to use its fan while the o2 is limited to very silent mode

[swift harness]

I immediately noticed lmao

[swift harness]

currently mid 40s

~48C

iirc eta said he was running ootb settings

[quartz viper]

Yup. I think it is his partner who helps ETA. The guys puts out videos almost every day. That is a lot of content for one person

[swift harness]

so safe to assume handheld mode ?

~49C - standard - smart

bumping up to performance - smart because the game def wants a tad more juice

[ivory trout]

I couldn't really give an average without doing some actual testing. If I have the brightness on max, smart fan and playing something intensive like BotW it'll be around 70c I think

[quartz viper]

Thanks. we are just trying to compare thermals with Pocket S. Pocket S seems to run hotter. And I think it is because it is a slimmer shell.
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[ivory trout]

I'll boot up f zero and see what the temps are

[swift harness]

60fps, just reached 50C

[ivory trout]

Was ETA running it at 4x? I can't remember

[swift harness]

3x for fzero iirc

the rest 4x

[odd dune]

if I can run it at 3x with a mali gpu with no dips on firefield then these snapdragon chips should dance around the d1200

[swift harness]

hovering at 52C

perf - smart - handheld with NCE - stock qualcomm drivers

I wish ETA had tested smth like TOTK

[fallen bloom]

It’s eta. You are hoping a little too high

[swift harness]

one can hope ™️

[fallen bloom]

Emulation testing awful = eta

[ivory trout]

I ran the race twice, 3x, performance mode with the smart fan on. The temps never went over 50c as far as I can tell. This shot shows the reading from the side bar and cpu float

[odd dune]

does opengl work better on the sd chips?

[swift harness]

I run vulkan whenever I can

[odd dune]

yea my temps on the pocket air was around 62-66

[swift harness]

also cause on dolphin, vk is needed for DDS texture packs

[odd dune]

with the fan on balance

yea vulkan just runs so much better on the mali gpu it seems

do you get a black box covering half the screen when you select a character on f-zero?

[swift harness]

oh yeah worth pointing out

https://youtu.be/au5KcmMBWpI?si=-W4nN1oS7y7rl7oE&t=389

what the actual fuck are those temps and power draw on ayaspace

yeah seems to be equivalent to performance/smart ig

[odd dune]

yea thats what I was thinking

[swift harness]

it's the first thing that jumped to me

[odd dune]

its a bug or the chip just a toasty boi

the pocket air idles around 33-38c

[vocal lava]

okay I'm used to the pc whole area of gaming where 52 celcius is like frosty

[swift harness]

genshin doing about that much

[vocal lava]

is 52 bad

[swift harness]

52 on near-idle is kinda bad

[vocal lava]

I'm used to 80 celcius being pretty good

[vocal lava]

oh thats it on idle not while gaming?

[swift harness]

that's in the ayaneo launcher

[vocal lava]

yikes

[swift harness]

gonna wait 20min, stop the yuzu test

[vocal lava]

as long as you can't feel it it'll be fine I guess, but knowing how the ayaneo 2s went...

[swift harness]

record battery %, temps

then switch to genshin impact

[fallen bloom]

Well Ayaneo is good at having bugs in software

[odd dune]

honkai makes almost everything toaty for a bit

It's not official ayaneo product without bugs

[swift harness]

phones get really hot but that's also it's an actual stress test

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-toast-cheers-champagne-gif-12045649

[swift harness]

bug or not, bad either way

™️

[odd dune]

frfr

[swift harness]

is also what the buyers will base themselves on so you'd want your monitoring software to be somewhat accurate

[odd dune]

how does hsr perform on the o2

[swift harness]

butter smooth

[odd dune]

mines is suppose to be here friday

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-gif-24751671

[ivory trout]

I'm gonna do some higher res tests on Odin 2 with f zero to see if those temps go up at all

[swift harness]

I've been playing it on the o2, just make sure to either set the controller to xbox mode or use odintools

[odd dune]

I got everything put on my sd card ready to go

grips just shipped today too

also kira

_> why so many hentai games on the community sheet for the o2 lol