#Totem/Difficulty Discussion

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gleaming prism
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Lets talk about it!

steep kettle
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No

vale ocean
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NO LEAVE TOTEMS ALONE thx

steep kettle
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fr

full sable
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im indifferent

novel ridge
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yes

flint anvil
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ever since i made netherite armor i havent worried about death all that much

gleaming prism
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we dont want you to be an immortal because you have totems is the problem

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why isnt 1 totem enough?

vale ocean
flint anvil
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i dont even use totems because i like to have my shield

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shield > totem

flint anvil
vale ocean
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Its not that i should stop doing stupid stuff

novel ridge
flint anvil
vale ocean
flint anvil
novel ridge
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yes

full sable
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oooh

flint anvil
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wtf

novel ridge
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thats why theyre op

vale ocean
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yea thats a bit OP

full sable
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thats broken

novel ridge
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they need a cooldown

vale ocean
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remove that then?

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like cant the thing that makes em trigger in inventory not just be removed

steep kettle
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thats what kuma siad

vale ocean
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also if you say coodlown make it 10 or 20 sec thats the time you need to change to offhand

steep kettle
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if it does

novel ridge
steep kettle
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its a bug

keen stirrup
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not a bug

steep kettle
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ITS NOT?

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dam

keen stirrup
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its from a plugin

vale ocean
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Fr not a bug?

undone tartan
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End all totems

vale ocean
novel ridge
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totem cooldown

vale ocean
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No totem poping while in inv

full sable
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totem cooldown or no plugin

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not both

vale ocean
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totem cooldown is stupid

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no plugin

gleaming prism
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but

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what if you just have a totem-reloader mod

vale ocean
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no shield and totem at the same time

gleaming prism
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those are common

vale ocean
novel ridge
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true

full sable
gleaming prism
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inventory tweaks arent cheating

granite egret
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Totems need a 1 minute cool down, they are overpowered as is. I know because I have a raid farm.

vale ocean
gleaming prism
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why is it different than an inventory sorter, or auto-tool switcher

vale ocean
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a inventory sorter just sorts the inventory

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auto tool switcher also just usefull when mining

gleaming prism
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but they both do the same thing, one sorts, one moves totems to a different spot

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we cant detect it

orchid finch
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I am for a cooldown because they are too op pence you have them

vale ocean
novel ridge
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yes

zenith relic
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While we can't detect totem swapping, we can still highly discourage it and tell people not to use it

gleaming prism
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this is true

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i was just bringing up the point

granite egret
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I like totems popping when in inventory, just needs a cooldown.

vale ocean
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Also if people can cheat they will

stiff mason
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if you need totems you're already doing something wrong

vale ocean
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idk totems poppin gin inv is kinda stupid

stiff mason
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so leave them as they are

gleaming prism
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I think it would be more than fair to allow totems to pop in your inventory, with a 1 minute cooldown

vale ocean
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! min is so god damn high

gleaming prism
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how lmao

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do you die twice in one minute with full netherite?

vale ocean
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because if im actually fighting something that pops my totem i normaly need 2 or 3 before it dies

gleaming depot
vale ocean
gleaming prism
zenith relic
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here's my idea: everyone can submit ideas for balancing totems and/or scaling difficulty, then we can have a vote on the most popular suggestions

vale ocean
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Remove totems from popping in Inventory and if you really think they are still OP give it a 10 or 20 sec cooldown

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10 sec i can life with

gleaming depot
# gleaming prism it is

that doesn’t mean totems should be changed specifically for that, just enforce punishment against users hacking using that mod

zenith relic
vale ocean
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Idk what yall about making this server as hardcore as possible

gleaming prism
flint anvil
gleaming prism
flint anvil
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You should just experiment with totem cooldowns

granite egret
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Lets keep the totems in the inventory and just give them a cooldown of 30 seconds - 1 minute.

gleaming prism
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i think if you die 2 times in one minute, you're doing it wrong, and thats why the cooldown is there, a totem gives you a second chance, and if you need to use another, you just are having a skill issue

vale ocean
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Also i really dont wanna use my full netherite to some random crap because of totem cooldown minecraft still is a buggy mess sometimes

zenith relic
granite egret
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I would like to use a shield and totems at the same time.

gleaming prism
flint anvil
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I think people should use the totem revival times to escape to somewhere safe

vale ocean
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Idk shield AND totem is kind of OP aswell

gleaming prism
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it allows you to use a shield along side it

gleaming prism
vale ocean
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Not really in my eyes

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shield can blcok basically eerything

gleaming prism
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we also have op incendium items still

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and I get they're leaving at some point but

vale ocean
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WEll OP incendium items shield and totem i can also just block stuff for one minute straight until coodlown come sback on

keen stirrup
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We are discussing on making difficulty per player instead of having it be server-wide so that new players dont instantly die

vale ocean
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new players dont have totems

gleaming prism
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thats why we're *dicussing the change lol

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as you play and do more things, mobs get stronger

vale ocean
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yea but having totems and shield is still OP and i much rather have to switch totems all the time to stay alive then just hold right click and block everything

gleaming depot
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i say do the duration of the effect as the cooldown

vale ocean
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switching totems involves atleast some skill

gleaming prism
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fire resistance?

gleaming depot
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ima test it

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fire res is for 40 sec

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regen is for 45

gleaming prism
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so 45 second cooldown sounds pretty fair on it

gleaming depot
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yeah i agree i think thats fair

gleaming prism
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once the effects of one totem wear off, you can use another

vale ocean
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I still dont see the sense in making it harder

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if oyu see at as to easy dont use it

steep kettle
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oko45 sec is fine

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i can tweak my farm

vale ocean
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but dont make it less fun for people who might actually have a skill issue

gleaming prism
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are you having a skill issue

vale ocean
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sometimes

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but that was before i knew i could use totem and shield at once

gleaming depot
vale ocean
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thats the point

gleaming depot
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im pretty sure it'll eventually get boring for you just being unstoppable

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might as well play in creative mode

vale ocean
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sometime si just dont wanna have a challenge

vale ocean
gleaming depot
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avoid them

gleaming prism
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fr lol

vale ocean
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WEll if i want the item stho

sudden bramble
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Remove them from raid farm drops

gleaming prism
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"i wanna fight the hardest thing in the game with op items, but I dont want a challenge"

gleaming depot
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like i have not been to a forbidden castle and i wont until i have full prot because 1. i know im not good enough 2. that pyromancer has force damage i need good armor to tank it

sudden bramble
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make its so that they can only be found in like chest and remove them from the loot table of evokers

gleaming prism
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thats a suggestion

vale ocean
gleaming depot
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yea i wouldnt mind that actually

vale ocean
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or make totems a 0.1 percent change for evokers

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or lower

sudden bramble
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i think the only wayt to make them balanced is for them to be rare

gleaming depot
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totems actually generate in badlands pyramids so there's one source already

sudden bramble
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if they are too comon than you can just use them non stop

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even with a cooldown

gleaming prism
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thats also a good suggestion

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remove the farmable aspect of them

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make them feel rare again

gleaming depot
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the main issue comes with the fact that its farmable, so here's a suggestion
make it so only evokers inside woodland mansions drop totems

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this can easily be coded in a simple loot table datapack

sudden bramble
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like when they were originally aded in 1.12, raids din't exist, so back then they were balanced because you could only get them from woodland mansions

gleaming depot
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yeah

gleaming prism
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mhm

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old totem texture my beloved

gleaming depot
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it was funni

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but new one is cute

sudden bramble
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also if you do make a change to the loot table i think you will need to wipe all of them from the world otherwise people will have a backup of 100's of them they will have farmed beforehand

blissful bough
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Pretty sure there's other structures with evokers as well. Not sure if they also need to be changed or if it's fine as it is

gleaming prism
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that would be fine

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as long as you cant literaly be afk to farm totems lmao

gleaming depot
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loot tables for mobs generates after their death

gleaming prism
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splatus is the smart person on those not me

sudden bramble
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i meant stored in chests

gleaming depot
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like the totems?

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that people store after killing the evoker?

sudden bramble
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yeah if i know that my raid farm cant drop totems in 2 days im gona stockpile them

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ans then there is just no point in changing it

gleaming depot
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well depends how fast its implemented

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it could literally be implemented in 20 minutes without a restart if they wanted to lol

sudden bramble
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people already have a lot i think

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but true

wise steppe
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yeah some people have full chests

gleaming prism
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we have a method to scan for existing chests full of them

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we could also do a totem-buyback

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like a gun buyback in the us lmao

gleaming depot
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will that single out chests with not much totems?

gleaming prism
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no

gleaming depot
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aww

gleaming prism
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i mean it can

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but the goal isnt to remove all of them

sudden bramble
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yeah but then it would have to be cheap because people with raid farms can have them for free so basacilly free money generator

gleaming depot
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cause i dont wanna farm totems but i think i bought one so

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i'd wanna keep that one

granite egret
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Too many people have too many totems already for a loot table change to matter, all it will do is inflate the price of totems.

sudden bramble
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no not if you delete all the existing ones

gleaming depot
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yeah true

sudden bramble
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then its fair game

gleaming depot
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so then we would have to clear existing chests

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i imagine

granite egret
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You can't delete all the existing ones

sudden bramble
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just the totem item

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why not

gleaming depot
full sable
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what about the ones ppl got legit not from farms

gleaming prism
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cant detect that

granite egret
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This went from adding a cool down to just delete all the totems

sudden bramble
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kinda feels bad for them but the legit totems are only a very small number

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and the totem economy is already fucked anyways

full sable
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i have only legit ones D;

sudden bramble
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you can buy one for 15 stars rn

gleaming depot
sudden bramble
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im the delete activist

gleaming depot
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same

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i think its good to make them unfarmable

zenith relic
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if we go through with this change, then maybe we'll get rid of the huge staches of totems, but leave everyone with a fair amount of totems, no matter whether they were "legit" or farmed

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i dont think its a huge deal to have a couple extra, server's only up for 3 days

gleaming prism
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mhm

gleaming depot
sudden bramble
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yeah but wee already have double chests full of totem

keen stirrup
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Wait, the server has been open for 3 days???

sudden bramble
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more than enough for the entire servs lifetime

wise steppe
granite egret
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I would rather have a 3 minute cooldown on totems than making them unfarmable.

gleaming depot
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4 i think

keen stirrup
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4

granite egret
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I spent like 5 hours building a crappy raid farm.

sudden bramble
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im also in the process of building one for the redstone

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and calm has one

zenith relic
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also, just to clarify: this is just a discussion, and nothing will be happening yet. once we gather our thoughts and decide a plan, we'll put a vote on it all

granite egret
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Lets just have a cool down for them. we don't need to do any extreme measures.

steep kettle
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the 2nd is a stacking raid farm which is in progress; -;

sudden bramble
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the vote has like a 10%chance of sucess people don't like getting nerfed even if they agree they are op, pvp games never make comunity poles on nerfs for a reason

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dictatorship rules over democracy sometimes

gleaming prism
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raid farms still are great tbf

sudden bramble
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yes

gleaming prism
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emeralds, iron, other stuff

sudden bramble
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keep raid farms

gleaming prism
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no totems doesnt break it

sudden bramble
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just not the totem part

vale ocean
granite egret
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We are asking for a nerf, you just want to make totems too rare

sudden bramble
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no

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i just like when my game is balanced

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and not on peacefull mod

vale ocean
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Some people see balance different

sudden bramble
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but just my opinion

gleaming prism
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both are a nerf

granite egret
gleaming prism
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both would work well

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thats why we vote on it

vale ocean
vale ocean
sudden bramble
granite egret
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it does, I just had to clear out land with crappy tools.

vale ocean
granite egret
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becasue i didn't build on an ocean.

vale ocean
sudden bramble
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im not saying to remove totems from the game

gleaming prism
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i think the two suggestions are

Have at least a 45 second nerf on totems or remove totems from raid farm, but allow the community to keep a decent amount, and have them find totems in a more natural way, instead of farming them while afk

sudden bramble
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just make them rarer like nether armor trim level of rarity i would say

vale ocean
granite egret
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No, you are wanting to make them impossable to get.

sudden bramble
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maybe a bit rarer

gleaming prism
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wdym impossible

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there are like 4 structures that can generate them in chests, 3 that generate evokers, and woodland mansions

sudden bramble
vale ocean
sudden bramble
gleaming prism
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like why is a notch apple rarer than a totem

vale ocean
gleaming prism
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its kinda silly

granite egret
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Woodland mansions are already very rare and you also want to make them unfarmable

gleaming prism
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yes

sudden bramble
gleaming prism
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you can literaly farm totems while AFK*

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it requires 0 effort

sudden bramble
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totems should be at least as rare as notch apple

vale ocean
granite egret
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all the mansions would be raided and no one but a very few amount of people would have them.

sudden bramble
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no the totem is infinitelly beter than notch apple

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it litterally saves your life

vale ocean
# gleaming prism it requires 0 effort

yea making that harder is fine lower the dorp rate for em so you haev farm really really long to get a few
But straight up making them lootable only aka they will run out eventually isnt agood idea in my eyes

sudden bramble
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the world is big

gleaming prism
sudden bramble
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so it would take a long time to get all the totems

gleaming prism
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the world border is large enough that the "finate ammount" issue isnt a problem

vale ocean
sudden bramble
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and im pretty sue there are far more than enought for the server in existance

gleaming prism
granite egret
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elytras are reusable, totems are not

vale ocean
gleaming prism
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why not sell totems

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theres already hundreds on the server

vale ocean
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It will happen bu ttotems will run out at one point elytras not really

sudden bramble
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you dont have a fast travel yet(elytra)

granite egret
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They are looking to remove them all.

sudden bramble
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and rtp is just random

gleaming prism
sudden bramble
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ok will the endhave a border like the overworld because i say make elytra renewable because they are rare and their is only a finite number of them

vale ocean
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Those will get burned trough quite fast tho or just stay in a storage never to be used bc i can sell em for much

sudden bramble
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players are just gonna go get them all and sell them

granite egret
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They say they will remove all totems from the players

zenith relic
keen stirrup
vale ocean
gleaming prism
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they get reset

sudden bramble
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yes i agree but still

vale ocean
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well rw is a fair point

sudden bramble
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so make notch apple renewable

gleaming prism
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when you're running low, go get more from those

granite egret
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I really just want a cooldown

sudden bramble
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there is a finite number and they are consumable

vale ocean
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but if they actually get that rare i defently will not use a item that i can sell for that much more i rather wait 3 weeks get a elytra nad just fly to my grave

sudden bramble
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i say implement the change and see

gleaming prism
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its gonna be voted on

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we're not gonna nike it

sudden bramble
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if they at some point become to rare read a new method of getting them

granite egret
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No one would use totems, they would be like notch apples, somthing someone would keep forever.

gleaming prism
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i would totally still use them for boss battles

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or just

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not die

vale ocean
granite egret
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A cool down is all thats needed.

sudden bramble
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^good point you dont "need" a totem since you already have a home that acts like an infinite totem but for the rare cases where you dont have a home

gleaming prism
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so why do you even need totems now

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lmao

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homes & other people exist

sudden bramble
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because somethimes you dont put a home

granite egret
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Beacuse they are convenient.

sudden bramble
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most off the time i would say

vale ocean
sudden bramble
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yes conveniant but then just make everyone invincible

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because totems do the same

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once i have them i litterally never die

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because i always play with them and have like 10 in the neder chest

gleaming prism
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so you guys would be fine with a 45 second cooldown?

sudden bramble
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yeah

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just not enough in my opinion

vale ocean
sudden bramble
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because if the option is there i am obviously gona exploit it

vale ocean
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but then dont complain about it ?

granite egret
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Only the richest player would have access to totems, theses are the people who need them less because they got the best gear. Newer players are the ones that benefit greatly from them, but they wouldn't be able to afford the new prices.

gleaming prism
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we dont want everyone to be invincible

granite egret
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Thats why we need a cooldown

gleaming prism
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im talking to phon

vale ocean
sudden bramble
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a cooldown wouldn't fix the problem of invincibility

granite egret
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I sell mine for 15.

gleaming prism
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i was the one that originally suggested a cooldown lmao

vale ocean
sudden bramble
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very unlikely

gleaming prism
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so, 15 stars to cheat death

gleaming depot
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i think the reason the server might benefit more from unfarmable totems is that totems will be used a lot more sparingly
players still have the choice to stock up a bunch and spam totems but they're a lot rarer and wasting them will cost you much more

the cooldown is a good idea too but totems still have low value with it

gleaming prism
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^

sudden bramble
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you usually only die because you did something stupid when you have p4

gleaming prism
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it encourages teamwork & using other features instead of just FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT with a hovering inferno or smth

gleaming depot
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yeah and if we just make totems rare you can still stockpile them but you actually have to work for them instead of just- afking

vale ocean
gleaming prism
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but its dumb

vale ocean
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BUT FUNNY

sudden bramble
gleaming prism
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it removes the challenge that the datapacks are supposed to add

sudden bramble
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i agree

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other suggestion so that everyone wins

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remove them entirely

granite egret
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How about we start small with a cool down and a slightly more rare drop chance, and if it's still a problem then you remove them.

gleaming prism
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10/10 best suggestion ever

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delete totems

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and while we're at it

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delete armor

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thats dumb too

sudden bramble
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yeah and villager trading

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and nerf the hell outa elytras too

gleaming prism
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delete elytras

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delete minecraft tbh

granite egret
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villager trading should be nerfed too, ngl

gleaming prism
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delete villagers

sudden bramble
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i kinda like 1.9 elytra with the punch bow and the cow colision launchers

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makes me nostalgic

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before rockets

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that is what realyl makes them broken

zenith relic
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me omw to add the 1.20.2 experimental villager rework

sudden bramble
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minecraft is just so unbalanced

zenith relic
granite egret
gleaming prism
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it actually does look cool

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"The discount for curing a villager now isn't multiplied if the villager is reinfected and cured again"

zenith relic
zenith relic
gleaming prism
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Villager
Librarians from different biomes now sell different Enchanted Books
Each village biome has one special enchantment that is only available from Master Librarians with full XP and players must visit all seven village biomes to get the full set of villager enchantments
Player must build two secret village biomes villages do not generate to access their trades!
Some enchantments have been removed from village trading and must be found in other ways
Wandering Trader
Wandering Traders now have lower prices and have a higher amount of each item in stock
Wandering Traders now sell Logs
Wandering Traders can now buy many items, instead of only selling

keen stirrup
sudden bramble
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yeah but too late for a villager change

gleaming prism
sudden bramble
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it would only punish newer players

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maybe season 3

gleaming prism
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TRADERS CAN BUY ITEMS?

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Yo

sudden bramble
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im all for iit tho

gleaming prism
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i like the librarian change

zenith relic
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regardless, i am legitimately surprised Mojang is actually taking drastic steps at trying to rebalance these broken villagers. normally, if they try to balance something, they only tweak numbers, not rework the system

gleaming prism
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the doom music is playing

zenith relic
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im not in love with the librarian change (i think it makes it too painful and unfair for RNG/large biomes), but i am in love with the direction and effort

sudden bramble
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nah i like it

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gotta work for it or use the enchantement table

zenith relic
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but i would 100% be happy with the change if it was implemented as is, especially compared to the current system

sudden bramble
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the enchanting table is useless

zenith relic
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i just think it can be better

gleaming prism
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"Player must build two secret village biomes villages do not generate to access their trades!"

sudden bramble
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din't even use it once on the serv and im full p4,u3,manding

zenith relic
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(i do like the fact that swamp and jungle villagers actually get to see light of day now though lol)

gleaming prism
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mhm

granite egret
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As long as you can no longer buy mending and other books for 1 emerald, I'm down with the update.

gleaming depot
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its a lot better because rather than gambling and rerolling a little book block for 30 minutes you actually have to cure a villager or breed a villager in that biome

vale ocean
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Short off topic question while you all are here how tdoe sthe dissassembler work?

gleaming prism
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"Some enchantments have been removed from village trading and must be found in other ways"

doom

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thats awesome

gleaming depot
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basically you actually have to work for your books now

gleaming prism
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what if they removed mending

sudden bramble
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removing the 1 emerald fixes nothing raid farms give you infinite emeralds

gleaming prism
vale ocean
sudden bramble
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and even if you dont have raid farms you can easily farm emeraulds rn

sudden bramble
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doo it mojang

gleaming prism
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i meant

vale ocean
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they should make it harder getting mending

gleaming prism
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from

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villagers

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not lile delete it

sudden bramble
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ah no i meant from the game

granite egret
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Isn't this a totem discussion thread?

gleaming prism
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just make it so you have to farm it

gleaming prism
sudden bramble
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or make it a chest only loot like soul sand

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and swift sneak

sudden bramble
zenith relic
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it is not over

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we will have a vote

sudden bramble
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i need to do some lobeing before the vote

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im just calling the vote early

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but maybe just maybe il be plesently surprised, doubt it thoug

rigid hawk
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In my own experience, I don’t think totems need a cooldown. You’re already going to have essentially no health. The health regeneration can often still be insufficient and unless you have a few backup totems, you still have a good chance of dying. In unexpected battle circumstances, the ability to put a backup totem into a hand slot is its own mini-game of speed while having nearly no health while still having to deal with retreat to safety while something still is actively trying to kill you.

If the purpose of the server is high-skilled battle, that would be one thing. But that’s not how I see this server. To me, it’s more about the joy of enjoying beautiful terrain, the joy of discovering richness in structure generation variety, and joy of exploring one’s own creativity in building, and the joy of seeing and working with others in their own builds. Battling mobs are a part of that experience, but in the context of this server, I don’t see that as the primary goal.

vale ocean
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I could never say it in such beatiful words as Glitch did it

sudden bramble
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one last thing, about the argument "but if you remove them from raid farm they become finite and rich players can just run and grab them all" no because ressouce world has structures and resets

gleaming depot
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mending should just be hard to get

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it is really nice not having to worry about armor durab after a certain point

outer cedar
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Tbh, all the suggestion are pretty good and we should add a 45 second cooldown, with the effect of the totems lasting all the cooldown time (nerf/buff) and removing the totems from farms to make them rare again

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(Nerf/buff again bcs more rare but more expensive and more rewarding of "farming" them ||capitalism goes BRRRRRRR||)

thick grotto
# rigid hawk In my own experience, I don’t think totems need a cooldown. You’re already going...

100% Agree with Glitch. Unless you are going to add content that would increase the difficulty of PvE (Like Incendium, harder dungeons, bosses, etc) or remove pvp protection and add more pvp related content, then a Totem cooldown seems redundant. The only totem Ive popped on the server so far was when a zombie was hitting me as I went afk. Not even Withers or the Piglins in the Forbidden Castles could pop my totem.

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I will say though, I do agree that totems are way too easy to obtain and maybe that aspect could see some change

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My opinion also applies to the mending stuff too if that matters

outer cedar
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Yes this is why totems should be more of a "money" method than a useful item for fighting so they need to rare and a little expansive

thick grotto
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wdym by that

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currency on the server doesn't really matter imo

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especially AFTER you buy all your /home slots

pseudo kindle
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DONT TOUCB THRE TOTMWNS

pseudo kindle
thick grotto
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to buy wat

pseudo kindle
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ok idk

thick grotto
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aside from a high roll dagger/greatsword, most stuff in mc is auto farmable

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ig theres claimblocks but playtime enough should cover that

soft spoke
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i read back everything and wanted to add my 2 cents as someone who doesnt like ultra hard boses (wither, ender level fine. havent tried incendium beyond dying like twice,) but i like the adventure of exploring at least once or twice to try.... totems are way too OP and having multiple chests full of totems is insane on day 3 of the server. you can tank the warden, who youre supposed to not be able to kill (according to mojang but lol.) totems were meant to be a 2nd chance to life. not a nonstop chance to life. i think they should be removed from farmable methods aka evoker drops.

spring elm
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I think they should be a low chance drop from evokers

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1 in 15 or so

sweet citrus
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I do think totems popping from inventory is a bit op

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But like mentioned before by quite a lot of people if you do everything correctly you shouldn’t even die (especially not with prot 4 netherite)

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Considering pvp is on for some people, I’d say just disable the feature completely

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It’s pretty difficult to kill someone with full prot 4 netherite and pearls already, it’d be virtually impossible to kill one with a full inventory of totems popping from inventory

thick grotto
# sweet citrus Considering pvp is on for some people, I’d say just disable the feature complete...

I’d argue that only very few have PvP enabled and only because they simply haven’t realized that they could turn it off. Normally, no one is really looking to fight on the server unless both parties agree to do so meaning they most likely wouldn’t try running. If anything, pearls are probably stronger in terms of survivability than totems since you can create enough distance to /home and tp in 2 seconds

sweet citrus
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honestly if pvp was turned off I would still say disable the feature mainly cause having totems popping from inventory defeats the whole purpose of trying to survive in survival, you can literally just waltz into dangerous structures with a lot of totems and not worry about dying at all

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I guess a cooldown could fix that but I dunno just my take on this lol

thick grotto
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Then at that point, disable potions, golden apples, netherite armor and protection IV?

gleaming depot
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oh yeah why do totems initiate when they're anywhere in the inventory

thick grotto
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The game is literal baby mode

sweet citrus
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guess I'm too used to actually putting totems in offhand

gleaming depot
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i asked kuma before the season officially started and he told me it was an admin thing... but randomly it happened to me

sweet citrus
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also having totem auto activate from anywhere in inventory also makes it so you can just casually carry items in offhand and mainhand and the totem still pops

thick grotto
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Totems work in offhand on the server? wtf

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Of offhand*

gleaming depot
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yeah i feel like it defeats the purpose of trying to balance totems when were making them useable anywhere in the inventory

sweet citrus
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yeah the totems uh

keen stirrup
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its a plugin config

thick grotto
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oh

sweet citrus
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activate if you have in inventory

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lol

thick grotto
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yea no that’s odd

sweet citrus
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which is why I said just disable them

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from that

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not disable them completely

thick grotto
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Especially cause shields are busted

sweet citrus
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just make it so that it only activates like normal

thick grotto
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combined with inventory totems

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Damn I didn’t know that

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Ig it didn’t matter since nothing was gonna ever kill me through netherite anyway

sweet citrus
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lol

thick grotto
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Yea no, they should def not work in inventory

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offhand is fine

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But you need to sacrifice having a shield for it

sweet citrus
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tbh yeah nothing really kills a guy in full netherite prot 4 except a player or a powerful mob/swarms of mobs but having totems activate in inventory is busted period

thick grotto
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Basically IMO:
Totems should work in offhand only and should be harder to obtain. If you wanted Minecraft’s combat to be harder, then add more custom content to do so as opposed to screwing with vanilla mechanics. Maybe Bosses, Dungeons, or Raids that would necessitate having totems, golden apples, enchanted netherite, potions, ETC.

sweet citrus
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totems in vanilla actually work if you hold it in mainhand, as long as it's selected in hotbar lol

thick grotto
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well you get what I mean

gleaming depot
thick grotto
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Yeah, basically anywhere it should work in Vanilla

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Def not inventory slots

sweet citrus
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maybe they should add dnl kekw but sadly it's very bugged in 1.19.4 and not updated to 1.20 yet

thick grotto
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DnL kinda mid no cap

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WDA would be sick

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Unfortunately, I assume they aren’t looking to expand on the server’s combat content

worldly glacier
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i don't understand why yall have a totem popping in the inventory plugin in the first place.

just remove it and treat them as they are in vanilla and it's all fine, no need for inventory popping or cooldown stuff when u can just make them like how they're supposed to be

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the only reason this conversation needed to be brought up is because of the inventory part anyway, they're fine when u don't mess with them

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ofc they're gonna be stupid op if people don't need to hold them for them to activate

gleaming prism
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Well

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You’ll see what I’m talking about when we poll for it

thick grotto
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OH SHIT

gleaming prism
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That’s why this was an issue I brought up ;)

soft spoke
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I don’t think the issue is how they pop I think the issue is they’re too OP to be farmable because then you would walk around with a full inventory of them an essentially be immortal

gleaming prism
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That’s also true

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And we already removed the pop in inventory thing so stop bringing that up nerds

keen stirrup
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i just disabled it just now

worldly glacier
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not really, u still gotta put them in your offhand and swap between multiple, if ur panicking it can be kinda hard

gleaming prism
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undone tartan
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If totems are removed from farmable methods will we be able to sell them at item shop?

gleaming prism
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Yes

undone tartan
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This influences my vote

soft spoke
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You can still find them in mansions and some of the data pack towns and such

worldly glacier
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i understand if some people think totems are too op but don't force that onto other players

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just leave totems vanilla and they're fine

frozen gate
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please jsut leave totems alone, they're fine when you can farm them but need them in your offhand

undone tartan
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I like stars tho

frozen gate
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yes but we have castles lol

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you can get so much debris from them

gleaming prism
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That’s the problem

undone tartan
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Well Nether getting reset sometime so castle's won't be here long

gleaming prism
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People go to castles with like 6 totems

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I’ve watched it happen

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They get attacked by all the knights at once

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And it doesn’t matter, because of all the totems

frozen gate
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well I don't pop any totems anyway lol

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it's not like they make a big difference when you can jsut set your home there

undone tartan
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I just put mine in a chest

frozen gate
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also blazing hatchet

undone tartan
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The totems gathering dust I need to get rid of them

soft spoke
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Well depending on what happens you could make hella stars lol

worldly glacier
frozen gate
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that's not really a point crazyzombie

worldly glacier
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not cuz totems lmao

gleaming prism
frozen gate
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you didn't need to get them in the first place

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but yeah with blazing hatchet you can do an entire castle dmgless (excluding alchemists lol)

gleaming prism
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I think that mojang gave people a crutch, a crutch that defeats the very purpose of the game. And people can’t fathom getting rid of the crutch.

frozen gate
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yeah totems are flawed but as you siad they're part of the game

gleaming prism
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So let’s tweak them

frozen gate
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also maybe you can jsut change the way raids work

gleaming prism
frozen gate
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just make it so raid farms don't work

soft spoke
gleaming prism
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No raid farms will still work

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They give emeralds, and banners, and tools, and whatever

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But they wouldn’t give totems

frozen gate
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yeah

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good

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but raids should

undone tartan
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Raid farms probably shouldn't work in vanilla tbh

gleaming prism
frozen gate
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hmm

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im not a dev so I'm not qualified to talk about it really past here

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if raids can't drop them then maybe just have new pillager towers in the resource world that have a ton of hard pillagers and stuff but theres a totem in an item frame there

undone tartan
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Totems really easy to get there's a pretty common structure with like 3 evokers and the mansion exists

frozen gate
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right sanctums

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and mansions

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but sanctums don't come with mobs I don't think

thick grotto
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Aye I ain’t gonna say shit until we see what’s in store no copper

undone tartan
worldly glacier
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to be honest i don't mind if they're added to admin shop, as long as they are renewable in some way

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ofc i would prefer to just leave everything vanilla and stop trying to change stuff

undone tartan
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Using the rw everything is renewable

worldly glacier
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actually i had an idea, what if a plugin or something was added that forced raids to only go to level 5 even on hard mode so that way you only get 1 totem per raid

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that would be much more balanced and while raid farms would still exist, they would be so much less op and not nearly as good

gleaming depot
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also yeah at least with datapacks and plugins we can’t detect the difference between a natural raid and a raid farm

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we can however detect whether the evoker is in a woodland mansion or not (among other structures from structory we can add compat to)

granite egret
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How about making totems craftable with a custom item dropped by invokes. This way they require more steps to get.

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Farms would still be useful in getting them.

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1 core, one emerald block, and 3 gold blocks to make.

zenith relic
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Totem/Difficulty Discussion

sweet citrus
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honestly it's pretty much impossible for a dude in full netherite prot 4 to die unless they're really stupid or afk or something, I don't think a cooldown is necessary because if you have the skill to swap totem(s) fast enough in a sticky situation you deserve to live (in my eyes, at least) but yeah just ban autototem mods

worldly glacier
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^this

thick grotto
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Will say though, something similar to the progressive bosses mod would be cool to atleast prevent Withers from being too easily farmed

bright nacelle
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As someone who was one of the most prominent totem providers last season, I think the effort to payoff ratio is way too high for selling totems; they should require much more effort to obtain than just a brain-dead afk autoclicker

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Raid farms are the most unbalanced aspect of the game by a landslide.

novel ridge
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immortality farm basically

steep kettle
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fr

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and me personally

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LOVE TO PUSH IT TO ITS LIMITS

sudden bramble
steep kettle
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Cmax why are u warned 😭

sudden bramble
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calm i love raid farms too they still give you stupid amout of emeralds, redstone and gunpowder but the totems should't be part of their drop,

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i love them except when they dont work off course

steep kettle
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XD

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Well

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I use them for 1 and 1 reason

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That id readstone

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Cause I need A LOT

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Glitch has a redstone shop

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And i leave my wellet there cause oh boy will he make me broke

bright nacelle
sudden bramble