Current Changelog Discussion

[snow hollow]

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[lilac scaffold]

incidium

Minecraft's handling on server performance is so silly

[snow hollow]

Oh, and before someone asks, I don't have a timeline on when the rewrite would be complete (I wish I did)

[lilac scaffold]

catter is a busy cat

[quartz geode]

I <3 incendium

[hot merlin]

hi

https://modrinth.com/datapack/incendium-biomes-only

[hot merlin]

biomes only could be a good thing to do

because the worldgen isnt causing lag, having biomes only would still allow to have at least the immersion of its biomes

[icy talon]

this is sad, however i see why its needed

I suggest we add metallurgy in its stay and some of the addons for it

one last thing

[snow hollow]

yeah, feel free to give suggestions for content

[icy talon]

TCC? would that violate the texture pack policy ?

[snow hollow]

frick, they do have that

then not tcc

[icy talon]

ask in bullitin if people care about a mandatory pack? or is that a 100% no

[snow hollow]

since rp translation for bedrock can be messy, no

[sinful widget]

i for one really like the incendium structures

dont really want worldgen only

[icy talon]

If you have a testing server i could try. i have a bedorck account

[hot merlin]

ok so like i know we have like

3 packs of mine - but to compensate for incendium's like 12 weapons lost when its removed we could add spellbound weapons

[lilac scaffold]

the question is: how well can it perform on a server that has 20+ players?

looking at it rn, seems cool and all, but im worried about performance

[icy talon]

thats because incendium is laggy as all hell

im asking in the tcc discord if i convert the pack to bedrock and use it on a java server if it will break

oh god the developer is calling me an idiot basically

yeah i was basically called an fool and told no

damn bedrock players

[hot merlin]

good point - im not sure, but it has had frequent updates to try and optimize it

[icy talon]

ok i converted the creepers code rp

[hot merlin]

im honestly still in support of biomes only incendium

[icy talon]

does anyone have a server they can run with geyser and tcc rq

I may have found a workaround

[snow hollow]

(its because they thought you were asking about converting the datapack, not the resourcepack)

[icy talon]

oh

[hot merlin]

aggressive datapack dev try not to explode when innocent user asks a question DIFFICULTY IMPOSSIBLE!!!

[icy talon]

nvm the pack conversion doesnt work

thats a pain

im actually sad, tcc is so cool

on a different note if we do add metallurgy, i suggest the Iacio Shamir, and the Vigere Shamir addons

[fringe adder]

If the pack is disabled, will we lose the items themselves or will the items just lose their functionallity

[nova mango]

I for my part really enjoy not breaking a block 5 times

[nova mango]

and just making sure: is this a tps problem or my 100ms ping?

[cyan palm]

i was thinking about that, idk how the server handles removing datapack items like that, but i image they would just keep their stats but lsoe any other features (like the voltaic trident turns into a normal trident) but the issue is would a greta sword of sacrifice just become a sword with like 20+ damage and no drawbacks?

[bronze surge]

😱 biome only!? Whoever made that must be a genius!!!1!1!21!1!&@+°

[icy talon]

yeah fr. so it cant be Naomi

[fringe adder]

why is it specifically 20 players

if we get 21 or more the TPS instantly drops

[hot merlin]

yeah im confused why that wasnt an option in #bulletin

oops ping

[bronze surge]

dw i forgot to open discord when i turned my pc on so i didnt get it anyway

[snow hollow]

read bullet 3 in the bulletin for that

(cash back system for the broken items)

[fringe adder]

If tps stays high the entire day can we keep incendium xd

[icy talon]

what sucks is with incendium being removed several items are no longer farmable, major ones being sand, and redstone

[icy talon]

sorry to ping but do mobs still spawn in those biomes, like the special blazes and slimes?

[snow hollow]

i could always toss together a datapack to add similar farming methods

[hot merlin]

redstone could be sellable now though

[icy talon]

nah witch farming i remembered

[hot merlin]

ah

forgor

[hot merlin]

anvil sand farming

[snow hollow]

we'll just make raw redstone block sellable then

[bronze surge]

no

[cedar root]

I don't think Incendium is the real problem with the TPS lag, I think that it's only amplifying the actual problem causing the lag. Chunk generation. Sure the server has a huge area already progenerated, but players are still RTPing into unloaded chunks both in the nether and in the overworld, as more players do this the lag increases.

I know how much loading new chunks would effect the server tps because I use to run a small server of around 10 people. It was 8 gbs and ran smoothly untill players started adventuring out into the unloaded chunks and tanked the server.

Even if you removed Incendium, the lag will still be there as long as players can RTP to unloaded chunks.

[hot merlin]

chunk loading is also probably a cause of lag - but according to birch the incendium datapack deals 35% of the lag of the server

and that 35% is likely from its function code

[snow hollow]

we actually did several reports on the lag sources - 42% of lag is coming from function execution. I estimated 35% is from Incendium itself

but yes, chunk generation did take up about a decent chunk of the server's lag - about 5-10%

[hot merlin]

o wait, so you guys dont know if its any other datapack?

there is definetly a chance it could be one of mine

[snow hollow]

technically could be, but its prooobably incendium

[lilac scaffold]

Blame all datapacks /s

[snow hollow]

dOnT uSe DaTaPaCkS

[lilac scaffold]

Make Incendium into a plugin 🤓🤓

“Because I’ve done datapack testing on servers and I’m more knowledgeable than you 🤓🤓”

[fringe adder]

Lmao GOAT Takeru

[icy talon]

can the team discuss spawner carts?

as a possible pack

[icy talon]

all husks dropping sand also would be a cool addition to fix the inability to farm sand using blazes

[hot merlin]

whats spawner carts

[icy talon]

you can put a spawner in a mine cart to transport it

[vapid crane]

tps and server lag was much better today and not very laggy, maybe incendium is fine? idk

[nova mango]

I feel like tps is also dying when (me and my friends) entered the farmworld because that were also unloaded chunks and if it resets every two days there will be even more unloaded chunks

Maybe solution:
•make Farmwelt reset like weekly
•don’t rtp into the farmworld (rather have a hub)

[icy talon]

That’s true

Rw might also be the issue due to chunks having to be loaded that aren’t pregened

[snow hollow]

they are pregenned (at least supposed to be iirc)

[nova mango]

they are yes but out of my 10-12 rw tps I landed only once in a pregenned chunk

[snow hollow]

I have been corrected: they are not pregenned, but that's because Kuma has an interesting plan for that process

[icy talon]

Could that be the source of the lag then?

[midnight badger]

no

they look at the spark report which tells them what’s taking up server tick

as mentioned before they saw that 30%+ is command execution

coming from datapacks

in this case there’s no could it be this or that when the cause is clear

[bronze surge]

We also said ~10% was coming from chunks, so it's not a "no", it's a "not entirely, the main source is functions but the generation is contributing"

[normal peak]

While the nether be resetted with incendium removed? (sorry, didn't read all the discussion)

[hot merlin]

#bulletin said it, yes

so make sure not to build anything big in the nether until after the reset

[normal peak]

Only if they replace it with amplified nether?

[vast nebula]

wait did they decide? i just came to say i havent had any problems since the first day, incendium is fine now

[normal peak]

we have the answer in 3hr

[hot merlin]

It’s an Incendium server side lag issue not client side

also yeah I think the poll ends today

[vast nebula]

yes i havent seen any issues on the server but im not always on

[hot merlin]

yup 3h

[normal peak]

yes but just removing incendium while keeping the same nether is supposed to remove all the functions. No?

[hot merlin]

it would and I agree that would be great

me and Naomi have both suggested biomes only

[vast nebula]

wont it yeet everyones custom items

[hot merlin]

biomes only!!!!! ♥️

[hot merlin]

You’ll still have it just without it’s function

[normal peak]

but biomes != structures 😢

[hot merlin]

For one particular item, the great sword, it will become incredibly op

[hot merlin]

correct

[vast nebula]

i havent gotten any at all, i just can see a lot of people who dont regularly check the server posts but play often getting upset

[hot merlin]

maybe catter and kuma will figure out an alternative, but structures probably won’t be there anymore because there’s no way to stop the items inside from generating

[normal peak]

free loot

x)

[vast nebula]

i like that incendium adds difficulty because tbh minecraft gets too easy at some point

[hot merlin]

i particularly love it’s biomes

[normal peak]

Even the warden isn't that scary. You can run in the Ancient City. As long as you're fast enoug, no problems

[hot merlin]

such good design all with vanilla blocks

[vast nebula]

yea incendium adds something unique i felt MC is missing

like puzzles and exploring incentives

[hot merlin]

armor trims when exploring incentives: 😳

[bronze surge]

There actually is 1 problem with biomes only that i just remembered, the wither skeletons in the withered forest will drop wither skeleton skulls

I've been meaning to fix it for a while but just never got around it it

[hot merlin]

that should be super easy to fix

[bronze surge]

mhm

[hot merlin]

with either loot table modifying or a custom function

[bronze surge]

im just lazy :3

[hot merlin]

i feel you lol

i imagine that also applied to blazes in the dunes?

[bronze surge]

yeah, any mobs that spawn will be their default versions before functions are ran

so toxic slimes are just magma cubes

[hot merlin]

and probably restless spirits too

[snow hollow]

dont forget, that if incendium is removed, it will eventually be readded

[vast nebula]

oh thats cool

[icy talon]

so far with Overwhelming majority it seems like incendium is going to be removed

[bronze surge]

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[icy talon]

thats catters call

[bronze surge]

carbter

[hot merlin]

ᵇᶦᵒᵐᵉˢ ᵒⁿˡʸ ᵒ.ᵒ

[hasty junco]

is Incendium the reason why the server tps goes below 15 sometimes?

or is that a different thing?

[spring mango]

most likely incendium

[normal peak]

no updates?

[hot merlin]

hoping I can raid a sanctum before it’s gone

Sanctums have a garunteed wither skull

also wither labs

[normal peak]

the white castle?

[hot merlin]

yes

[kindred egret]

Honestly it will lag a LOT

As someone who has ran a server

10-15 players are fine

As soon as you go 20+ it lags

And the server was beefy too

[hot merlin]

was this recently or a while ago?

cause there was a big optimization in regards to item detection and stats a couple months ago

[icy talon]

is incendium being removed today?

[barren dragon]

I kept the render distance SUPER low all day

Oh shit that was old

Lmao

Mb

[vapid crane]

lol

[kindred egret]

Recent

[hot merlin]

o

[fringe adder]

what if server magically stops lagging

can we keep incendium

[hot merlin]

that will not happen

😊

[fringe adder]

its chillin rn with 30+

[hot merlin]

yeah because render distance is absurdly low and mobs cant be breed
and even then it is very often at lower tps's

once incendium is removed we'll have access to more without a performance cost and consistent tps

[snow hollow]

another thing to note: part of the reason why the performance is not terrible even with Incendium is that the mobcap and render distance are set super low. once incendium is removed, not only will performance increase, but we'll be able to raise those 2 things as well

so yeah, TPS is fine, but quality of play isnt as good as it should be to compensate

[hot merlin]

basically what i said

[normal peak]

If the datapack can't be removed, can't you just disable all his functions command?
Special mobs, etc?

[snow hollow]

the datapack can be removed

[lilac scaffold]

Current Changelog Discussion

ping

[vast nebula]

good update

[icy talon]

METALLURGY POG

also @lilac scaffold might want to remove raw ore blocks from being sold they are technically farmable now but really hard to do so

insanely hard

[lilac scaffold]

#stardustmc-chat message

@nova mango, it'll be on server load, but I'll be the one self-hosting the resource pack, which hopefully won't take too long

[silent cradle]

Wait a minute

[nova mango]

[snow hollow]

at the time of the poll closing, Sudden Death did win

(plus, if you want to be fair to the Dynamic Difficulty users, you could add them to the Sudden Death count)

[nova mango]

can people request textures for the tp?

[icy talon]

tp?

[nova mango]

texture pack

sry

[icy talon]

oh

[lilac scaffold]

Update: the server resource will be optional (it will ask you to download it, but you can click No to not download it), but you won't be able to see any of the custom item skins or cosmetic stuff.

[nova mango]

adding to that: if there are Hats based on Pumkin heads and you decide not to download the pack then everyone will wear a pumpkin head

please correct me

[lilac scaffold]

i dont think pumpkin heads will be used

[nova mango]

more items in the head slot?

[icy talon]

also pumpkins can be put in frames for custom blocks

[vast nebula]

Q for custom items- would that be things like cosmetics only or include something like furniture to buy/display (like CITs) asking because i will form a terrible addiction and never leave

[lilac scaffold]

no furniture, just items and armor

[vast nebula]

thank god i am safe for now

[vast nebula]

dropping this here for others but this is metallurgy thats gonna be added on https://wiki.gm4.co/wiki/Metallurgy

[hot merlin]

game mode 4 is interesting, surprised i never heard about it till stardust s2

[snow hollow]

same, i've heard of it on and off from Misode and BPR (and sometimes rx). but while devving Season2, I suddenly remembered it, and thought it would be a perfect opportunity to finally use them

they're amazing quality, just not popular enough!

[icy talon]

Really a shame tbh. Hopefully this puts them in the spotlight

[snow hollow]

their website inspires me

[stiff vector]

Yeah, we've just been doing our own thing with our small community. Since we have a modular system involving over 80 datapacks, it's very easy to burn out on marketing stuff like videos and PMC posts

[snow hollow]

yep - Misode asked me a while ago if PMC had an API... I felt bad when he mentioned there were that many modules 😅

I get overwhelmed enough with Stardust's seven projects

but, i've been hearing more and more about a potential API, so am hoping...

[vast nebula]

sudden death wiki/features https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/sudden-death.38372/

cause i keep losing the link

[silent cradle]

Lmao

[vast nebula]

no spigot account moment

Sudden Death Commands

[icy talon]

what metallurgy addons are there added

because i just noticed we have the boat one

[vast nebula]

Kuma said it in live chat yesterday I’ll look for it (cause I wanna know too)

Audere, Iacio, Percurro, Vecto

[vapid crane]

wait are those the only ones included or the only ones not included?