#ark-2

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pine basin
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But not just the new creatures models

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I would like to know if new features from Ark 2 might come to Asa, like the world events

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Ark 2 and ASA will share the same engine, it makes sense to me they might share their assets and some of their features

grim kestrel
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Eh see that indiviual prospective interest, see I'm fine waiting to see how older creatures that make the cut look as it'll give me a reason to go out and look for them.

How I see that is if they reveal older creatures and someone doesn't like how one in particular looks from screenshot, then they may not bother going to check them out in game.

pine basin
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I think everybody expects all old creatures from ASE will be on ASA

grim kestrel
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I would think so, but it pretty normal tendency where people do begin only going for tames that they actually regularly use or have a significant purpose. Which is why I gave the possibility if someone saw screenshot they didn't particularly like and they knew they wouldn't have a real purpose for the dino anyway they may not ever bother to ever go just check it out

pine basin
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Saying they plan creatures TLCs without specifying all the details would be enough to me

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Or sharing more info about the new features

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I mean, they’ve said they stopped sharing the concept arts from ASA because people didn’t care much about those

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Well, I can say for myself I’m not interest in the concept art of a tree or the new sleeping bag

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I’m more interested in new info

grim kestrel
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They did say a gameplay trailer would come, I imagine that will be sometime in September, so that where I am waiting to check out.

pine basin
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And again, we are ~2 months from the release, I would be more comfortable if we had more info by now

pine basin
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For instance, do you know if the new “creatures management system” will be on ASA? Or the World Events? I’m more interested on that info

grim kestrel
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Well at this point I guess I'll just finish off this conversation with there will never be a game in development or post release that satisfies 100% of gamers and there will always be someone who wants more than given.

split dove
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i think there might be a improved creature management system for ASA, but i highly doubt they're gonna add Ark 2 style world events and new big features/changes for Ark 2 to ASA

pine basin
pine basin
grim kestrel
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Didn't say you were complaining

pine basin
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Complaining about the lack of new relevant info

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Also, just to be clear, when they announced they would have a roadmap some months ago, I had the idea we would start getting more relevant info about Ark 2. But we got a postponement instead. Also we are in the dark about ASA.

grim kestrel
pine basin
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I think I’m just disappointed about what I expected back then

pine basin
river shoal
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yo are they really shutting down ark on the 31st????

split dove
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only official servers

river shoal
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so unofficials are gonna be fine???

split dove
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yes, it's up to the owners for what they want to do with their servers

grim kestrel
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Something I wonder if they'll do with ASA is mix up the dino spawn or not

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Just as an example not one I think they would do.. Herbivore island and carno island basically swapped.

That the least likely unless they change the difficulty classification of spawn areas too.

pine basin
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I don’t care about screenshots or videos. I want new info, and apparently you want that too. 😂

grim kestrel
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That just something I don't mind finding out at launch.

tropic crag
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But don't you hear them, Joe? They want the info, and they want it now! /j

grim kestrel
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JG Wentworth pun? lol

tropic crag
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Sorta, yeah 😂

stone cedar
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@thorny tundra yee. i was referring to baby dinos

foggy surge
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When does Ragnarok release for asa

tropic forge
foggy surge
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Ok thanks

grim kestrel
# foggy surge When does Ragnarok release for asa

This is a text I complied based on the three survive the ark pages for ASA.

ARK: Survival Ascended will now be a standalone package released on every platform (PC Windows/Steam, Xbox Series S/X, and PlayStation 5) at $39.99.

The package will include the following pieces of content built-in (not sold separately), with each remastered and altered for the next-generation:

The Island (Released at Launch in October)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island
Scorched Earth (Release in December)
Ragnarok & Aberration (Released by Q1 2024)

Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, and all the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

blissful perch
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They gave us a list of planned features, and you can assume that’s the list unless they show otherwise. Seemed pretty transparent to me. If more will be there, they’ll tell us or show us when they see fit

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We (the community) currently only seek to punish WC when they provide us with news, so it’s not shocking that all we see is high level things or things that are very final. They tried to be more transparent, and were met with a pretty clear message of “we don’t care or don’t like it”

pine basin
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So… I’m waiting them to say if anything else is coming to ASA

blissful perch
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Waiting is what we’re all doing. Info will come when it comes though 🤷‍♂️

cloud tulip
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selam aleyküm

pine basin
blissful perch
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They did - in response to community feedback

harsh spear
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i thought they would show it on gamescom. maybe theyre not proud of what they made.

pine basin
pine basin
blissful perch
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They got some pretty major negative commentary for third person only in ark 2…same for a lot of actual content news

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So scaling it back makes logical sense. Showing low stakes concept art to get a community read on things and STILL getting told “no we don’t want or like that”…not sure what else you can do

pine basin
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But it was them messing up with PR

blissful perch
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To you it’s fine. To other people it was not

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You need trust to be transparent

pine basin
blissful perch
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Radio silence is a huge help compared to tossing out plans and then backtracking

pine basin
blissful perch
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We’re not really obligated to get any news until launch or just before. And if the pre news winds up only bringing bad attention, it’s reasonable to not bother

pine basin
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I don’t even want them to talk about Ark 2 or the new ASA map. I just want to understand with more details what changes ASA will bring to the table

blissful perch
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I’d love to hear more about ark 2, but my suspicion is that I won’t hear much until it’s more finalized. Which sucks because we had a brief period of seeing some amazing concepts and ideas. But it was ig not what the vocal folks wanted to see

pine basin
blissful perch
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People will do that anyway

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People hear what they don’t want to hear -> disappointed

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People hear something that isn’t their imagined feature -> disappointed

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People hear the word “tentative” -> disappointed

harsh spear
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is combat changing in asa ?

blissful perch
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No. At least not that we know of

pine basin
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And that’s why I’m disappointed we have not

blissful perch
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You may not be wrong in hoping for news. But WC’s PR has always been dubious, and after hearing from them about their perception of community responses to being transparent it’s just not shocking to see they took this approach

tropic forge
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gotta always counting on shifter to defend them 😉

harsh spear
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for me big part of the excitment about ark was exploring new areas, where danger could linger at any corner. but with same map and same combat, idk itll bring enough exitment. especially when i think about caves, where everything just clutters in a giant ball of aggro following you. id expect more realistic combat like snakes actually waiting for their moment to strike.

blissful perch
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Gotta count on fox to struggle with nuance 😉

tropic forge
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"soon"

blissful perch
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If they don’t fix the massive time sinks issue with ASE in asa, I’m content to wait for ark 2

lime forge
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Don’t count on Fox for anything. You can’t trust a man that doesn’t pay up on a lost bet.

harsh spear
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wdym with massive time sinks issue ?

blissful perch
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You need a ton of real life time to dedicate to ark to make it worth playing

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Or stupid high rates ig

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You can’t just poke a play session here or a couple hours there

grim kestrel
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Or a group of people where stuff can always be getting done

blissful perch
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When I played ASE I had time to burn, so it was fine. But I don’t have that anymore. Ark 2 looks like it may be better for my gaming needs

harsh spear
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i guess if you play pvp. but pve not really. if you put creatures in cryos theres nothing thats gonna vanish in less than a month

blissful perch
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Spending a whole play session grinding mats is imo a waste of gaming time for example

lime forge
tropic forge
blissful perch
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Needing to spend centuries breeding stuff is the worst offender by far. But even sitting around waiting for a KO tame is just plain boring if I’m gonna only have a session a week

grim kestrel
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There is a quote on my profile that lands close.

The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel

harsh spear
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some people play diabolo or mmos and kill the same mobs for days. i guess its in the eye of the beholder or however you say it in english. but yea grinding in ark also to me feels a bit repetitive at times.

blissful perch
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No beef against ASE for that per se - I know I’ve changed so the game isn’t for me anymore. But ark 2 looks like it’ll focus on skill and be more engaging

harsh spear
lime forge
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Shifter I think your biggest issue is that you sit around and wait for tame and breeding timers. That’s all best left as background noise while you do other things

blissful perch
lime forge
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20 days for tek

lime forge
blissful perch
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If I have all the mats I need, and everything prepped for bosses…and all I need is 50 mutations. Nothing to do

lime forge
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Build!

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Harvest!

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Fight!

blissful perch
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LMB spam?

lime forge
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You need to pack rat harder

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Fill the vaults

blissful perch
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I loot goblin just fine, but in ark it just flips to tedium so fast

grim kestrel
blissful perch
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I played games with better hitreg and no offlining if I wanted that 😅

lime forge
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What do you do with that fact when you get to the bank with it?

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I don’t think the teller plays Ark.

pine basin
winged dome
# lime forge Shifter I think your biggest issue is that you sit around and wait for tame and ...

May seem silly to some, but this is why I play Roleplay servers. PvE servers get boring pretty quick since usually nobody wants to engage with other players, but in RP you can still have reigned in PvP that you actually have a stake in. Plus some.of the stories people create are amazing and a ton of fun to get involved in.

I know it's not for everyone, and many might think it's dumb, but don't knock it 'till you try it

pine basin
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If they can’t talk anything about it ~2 months prior to release, I have a good reason to be concerned about the state of the game on release

blissful perch
blissful perch
winged dome
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It's as much as you're willing to put in, really. What kind of story you want to make or in-game goal you'd like to accomplish on the side

harsh spear
winged dome
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Most have boosted stats (within reason) so progression is possible while also building a world and story together with others

pine basin
pine basin
blissful perch
pine basin
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Again, I’m not entitled to get any info. Just saying why I’m concerned.

blissful perch
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I’m only trying to help reframe to perhaps help your concern

grim kestrel
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I have similar preference to PvP getting certain fighting games or FPS.

Ark for me took off when the group I played with got into unofficial where our long term play was community economy and interaction in PvE server. Had one great server where the owner had an auction house built and we used ingots as currency. Auctions would be bi-weekly. Independent trades would also primarily be ingots but that was individual discretion on private trades outside of an auction.

pine basin
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I want to like ASA, but I’m not so hyped because I don’t even know how’s it supposed to be

blissful perch
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You’ll know close to release before you put money down, and imo that’s ok

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I’d be pissed if they put out preorders with no info though

grim kestrel
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Thankfully PS and Xbox stores always have release date if their in the store lol

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So should be safe to say

pine basin
blissful perch
grim kestrel
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I'm just looking forward to finding a good run unofficial they will include what I described above again. Cause it'll be interesting to see it in cross play community

harsh spear
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the only thing thats ascended is their corruption & greed lol

grim kestrel
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Yet you're still here which suggests you're still interested in the product.

harsh spear
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well i hope im wrong

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but thats how it currently looks like

velvet crystal
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It’s about to be September hopefully we can get some sort of trailer or gameplay middle of the month. They did say some devs are playing it so fingers crossed

blissful perch
odd kestrel
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whats different from ark 2 and ark, apart from Vin Diesel rocking dinos

tropic forge
odd kestrel
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k

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So basically, ghosts, forced 3rd person and mods everywhere?

tropic forge
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ghosts? mods same as ASE not on official server if there will be ones if the game actually comes out 🤣

odd kestrel
south lance
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?

winged dome
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I think that's more story flavor, emphasizing that there will be less of a focus on Tek

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Not like ... actual ghosts

south lance
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ark2 is when youll get your asa competitor

odd kestrel
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And ark2 is also when Ill need to get a pc with 5 tb free space probably

south lance
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maybe

odd kestrel
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If Japanese devs made ark it would be 500mb for sure

tropic forge
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is the ghosts you mention is from this paragraph "Starring Vin Diesel ("Riddick") as legendary ARK hero Santiago, experience an epoch-spanning adventure as he seeks to protect his daughter Meeka -- voiced by Auli'i Cravalho ("Moana") -- from the ghosts of the ancient past and visions of a new future."

odd kestrel
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yeah

odd kestrel
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I misread it ig

blissful perch
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My statement was more that the tweet was a promise of asa being free - could have worded that better lol

tropic forge
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thats refering the stuff that santiango did and what's to come

odd kestrel
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hmm

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I think it refers to just... old stuff

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but I may be wrong

quartz orchid
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cringe support

fallow niche
south lance
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why here tho

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is this the most active channel after general

stark gale
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You can completely port things from UE4 to UE5 surprisingly easy using the Migrate option

grim kestrel
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When people don't understand how drastic of a change nanites implementation is you get comments like the one from KOT

stark gale
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Thing is, my company and the one we are collaborating with have been doing it for a couple of years at least with the high res assets we have been using

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Tried to upload them. The game that we had in the demo reel was done in Unity and nearly every asset there has been upgraded over to unreal 5.

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There are difficulties to be sure, especially given the history of Ark. I've been playing since it was only the island map way back in early beta days and they have come a LONG LONG way.

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My comment was specifically on the portability of things from UE4 to UE5

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The two images I sent you were all UE4 assets that we upgraded to UE5. The demo was old Unity assets that have since been ported to UE5 as well

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Our coding has had to be redone a good bit for the Unity assets since Unity and Unreal use two different languages, but our UE4 only took a small amount of updating.

tropic crag
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How could you have been porting things to UE5 for years, when it just came out this last year?

grim kestrel
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That an interesting point 😂

south lance
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ill port ase to ue5 solo simple

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make me ceo of snail games then ill do it

stark gale
tropic crag
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Check again

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I assure you it did not

stark gale
tropic crag
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No shit they'd have no issue, they made the engine lmao

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That's some crazy logic bud

stark gale
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According to Unreal, it was released to access in May of 2021

grim kestrel
stark gale
# stark gale According to Unreal, it was released to access in May of 2021

Unreal Engine 5 was revealed on May 13, 2020, supporting all existing systems including the next-generation consoles PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S.[113] Work on the engine started about two years prior to its announcement.[114] It was released in early access on May 26, 2021,[115] and formally launched for developers on April 5, 2022.[116]

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It ended testing in April

grim kestrel
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Read that last sentence....

tropic crag
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Yeah, early access lmao

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This guy

grim kestrel
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Formally launched in April 5th 2022

stark gale
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Worked pretty decently in early access

tropic crag
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Still doesn't check out that you said years, when it's been 1.5 at best

stark gale
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more than one is plural 🤔

tropic crag
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  • insert I don't believe you Anchorman gif *
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Bullet point moment™️

stark gale
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Cool 👍

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Would be if someone were to do that. Not really rough when dabblers claim knowledge in the face of evidence

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Same, folks from Disney, Sony, Pixar, EA, Epic, LAFS, etc.

The game itself is currently still in design phase, but currently features portal travel between 3 different universes, vehicle use on land, sea, in the air, and in space, vehicle modification, item creation, character creation from a large pool of influences across sci-fi, fantasy, and post-apocalypse, magic usage, skill trees from all 3 universes that level up based mostly on usage (still a lot of fleshing out but similar to Entropia), etc. Total lines of code I couldn't tell ya. Last count was well over 300k but as you said, coding is not my specialty.

When you are discussing your career, you typically choose A title/skill. I also write, do editing, compositing, vfx, voice acting, modelling (should specify digital as I don't do work as a model anymore), and a few other things

south lance
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🍿

stark gale
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I'm hard capping and yer reaching 😉 We were showing some environmental sets and a few assets at the time and had since decided to stop putting those things out to focus more on the quality of what we are working on as well as the collaborations we are working on with a couple other studios. We will be putting more out closer to when we start attempting to expand our financing to include other revenues rather than put a bunch of stuff out now that might not be included down the road closer to when we start considering the game more refined

stoic shadow
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when is the data drop going to happen for ark ASA?

south lance
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?

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near release

stoic shadow
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when are we going to see game play and details...

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It should be coming out in the next few weeks right?

mellow wadi
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October sometime

stoic shadow
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oh sh*t that long

hot forge
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what is ark survival ascended? a whole new game?

grim kestrel
# hot forge what is ark survival ascended? a whole new game?

ARK: Survival Ascended will now be a standalone package released on every platform (PC Windows/Steam, Xbox Series S/X, and PlayStation 5) at $39.99.

The package will include the following pieces of content built-in (not sold separately), with each remastered and altered for the next-generation:

The Island (Released at Launch in October)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island
Scorched Earth (Release in December)
Ragnarok & Aberration (Released by Q1 2024)

Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, and all the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

hot forge
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Shit thats gonna be fire

potent hull
cerulean comet
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Is ark ascended gonna be on game pass tho

fast isle
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There was a confirmed asa release date right?

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Like before October 31st or smth

split dove
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not confirmed by Wildcard but it's part of the ASA + Nitrado deal as one of the conditions iirc. until then just October

winged dome
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We only have October as the release window. No exact date yet

fast isle
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I’m gonna be studying for exams 😔

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There’s so many fire games releasing at the end of 2024 tho which I will be able to have time to play

split dove
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you do know Ark 2 is only coming to next gen playstation consoles after PC and Xbox if there is a deal made for a PS version for Ark 2 right? bc atm it's a launch exlcusive deal made between Wildcard and Xbox for PC and Xbox series X/S

eternal coral
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guys when the remake is released we wont get it for free even though we payed for this one ?

tropic forge
dim plinth
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when will asa be released ?

fast isle
fast isle
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Oh yeah is ark 2 gna be cross play?

split dove
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yes, it's planned to be crossplay just like ASA

mint swan
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Might be a dumb question here, but does anyone know will this simply be an update to ark or a game we need to completely install separately

winged dome
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Separate install

mint swan
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Appreciate it thank you. Haven’t paid much attention to it as of recently and forgot a lot of things about it haha

grim kestrel
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ARK: Survival Ascended will now be a standalone package released on every platform (PC Windows/Steam, Xbox Series S/X, and PlayStation 5) at $39.99.

The package will include the following pieces of content built-in (not sold separately), with each remastered and altered for the next-generation: w/Cross Play and Cross Platform Modding

The Island (Released at Launch in October)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island
Scorched Earth (Release in December)
Ragnarok & Aberration (Released by Q1 2024)

Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, and all the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

Here a generously voluntarily put together text from all three survive the ark pages summing up ASA.

gloomy prawn
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And this will be available for purchase at early release in October and no pre order?

fallow niche
gloomy prawn
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Sounds good to me

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Can’t wait to see this remaster, rebuild, recreation xD

grim kestrel
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You and and me both

gloomy prawn
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Has there been any more release tease content? Besides dossiers and new Dino’s voted in?

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Last thing I saw was some tools, and a tree, and rebuild of the stone/wood house template

fallow niche
gloomy prawn
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No matter what you release, there will always be mixed responses. Can’t let that stop you, but I guess we will have to just wait for the big reveal.

untold ingot
eternal coral
grim kestrel
gloomy prawn
eternal coral
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thats just a scam how you all cant see it

gloomy prawn
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Idk they remastered FF7 I purchased that and enjoyed it. I don’t see a difference here.

untold ingot
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It's like taking away a free gas subscription for your Ferrari because it went out of date

eternal coral
grim kestrel
# gloomy prawn ASA and Ark2 are 100% going to be purchased by me regardless the mixed reviews b...

Yeah cause here a little check and balance with the mix of comments in this server. Even the people with negative ones are probably getting it because they're still in here watching the progress so as bad as some people like to badger what Wildcard is doing I guess they must be doing something right cause if Wildcard was actually as bad as some of these people like to go on about they would move on to something else they had true interest to.

gloomy prawn
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The online official servers not the game itself.

untold ingot
untold ingot
gloomy prawn
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You can still do unofficial and dedicated there will just be no officials. As official will move to ASA

untold ingot
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Even if Asa wasn't a thing, official ark1 was still going down at ark2 launch

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That was in the plans for years lol

eternal coral
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thats the proplem the best part of the game is official servers and a lot of gamers bought it for this

untold ingot
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Most of the playerbase doesn't even play on official

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Objectively that's not the best part

gloomy prawn
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Sorry didn’t think that would be that big

eternal coral
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i do thats not my proplem

untold ingot
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It sucks that the people who enjoy official are losing their stuff, but that's how games work

gray mica
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I only play on official on pc

gloomy prawn
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That’s like every time a new iPhone comes out lol, you lose the old one and get the new one.

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Everyone still does it, and pays for it *shrug because you like the brand.

eternal coral
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The obvious thing is that the company has become incredibly greedy. All they care about is money without caring about the satisfaction of the players. They destroyed ARK mobile with their greed, and I lost everything I paid for there. Now they say they will close the game I paid for and I have to pay again like wtf !!!

untold ingot
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I don't do that, because apple is trash tbh

grim kestrel
# eternal coral thats the proplem the best part of the game is official servers and a lot of gam...

I see you're new here points to leaf on your name

The game has been out for 8 years by a company substantially smaller than most other companies maintaining a game that was a one time purchase game and DLC. There no micro transactions, battle pass, etc.

I'm sure if you volunteered to pay the 3k a month Wildcard paid to keep up the official servers they would let them stay up. More than time to move on to something for the next generation of gaming.

gloomy prawn
untold ingot
untold ingot
gloomy prawn
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Yeah never 100% of everyone. Just like this game not 100% of its player base is going to buy ASA. Just the ones who want it

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Omg that stupidly large GB size takes up 50% of my console and has to be in the internal xD

grim kestrel
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I think I already flabber gassed them with my post, they might try going in hiding now with your post and mine 🤣

untold ingot
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This is my take to, provided it seems worth it to me after launch

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I was before 100% going to buy it, and then the nitrado crap came out and I am now on the fence

gloomy prawn
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Right, I’m going to have to purchase the SSD internal expansion before ASA comes out

untold ingot
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Just buy a pc lol

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It's better

gloomy prawn
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PC are way more expensive than just buying an expansion card.

untold ingot
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They last longer than your console though

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I mean me neither

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But the amount of bs consoles deal with because of Microsoft and Sony is absurd

gloomy prawn
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Yeah I would play all, but my console easier for me to take places xD

eternal coral
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rockstar made a remake of gta vicecity and san and still if you bought the old one you can still play it i know its a little far comparison but same consept

gloomy prawn
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My console is super portable.

eternal coral
split dove
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don't bother with him, it's no use from what the convo has been up to now

gloomy prawn
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As long as they don’t take down officials on ASA for ARK 2 xD

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not like I ever play official anyways wouldn’t concern myself with that.

eternal coral
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then at least make it cheaper for those who already have the old one wtf is $40

split dove
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$40 for the base ASA game and every Ark SE DLC

gloomy prawn
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It’s a different game? Not an expansion though

split dove
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must've watched a clickbait article or video

grim kestrel
# eternal coral im sure they didint asked me to pay 3000 when i first bought it sounds like ther...

A one time purchase game that has been maintain for almost a decade, what your first clue, Einstein? Money only goes so far genius. Just like development needs to stop for Xbox One and PS4 because it holding back substantial progress. It time to move on to ASA so Wildcard can start seeing how their assets react in the new engine so it helps polish out any potential issues when Ark 2 gets ready to launch.

gloomy prawn
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That’s like asking for lower prices every time a CoD came out because you had the previous ones

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What are we wanting alumni discounts now?

split dove
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at this point probably

eternal coral
untold ingot
grim kestrel
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Thanks @gloomy prawn for asking that question cause his response to that proved he either a real life NPC or just a alt account troll that decided to come in and spark reaction. Time to block sal and get back to having conversations with actual logical people.

eternal coral
untold ingot
split dove
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bc it's Cod, very few games are as popular as Cod

gloomy prawn
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Diablo 4s revenue just because it was Diablo 4

eternal coral
gloomy prawn
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But the game was not free to make, just because it made money? They still have to pay 100s of employees salaries for months or years to even make the game before launch.

split dove
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can't wait for the follow-up to this one

gloomy prawn
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Lol

untold ingot
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I mean if you can name one game that uses the same market strategy as ark that has done a free remaster, I would love to hear about it

eternal coral
gloomy prawn
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They supported you by spending millions producing the next installment lol

untold ingot
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Comparing wc to cod is a stretch

split dove
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a big one at that

untold ingot
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Everyone knows at this point that cod just recycles the same game and charges exorbitant prices, and then makes a killing off gullible people who like skins. So far, ark hasn't done that

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I am not convinced yet that Asa isn't worth the purchase. But at the same time, the nitrado deal is the big issue imo. Not that they are charging for asa

gloomy prawn
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The created ASA for us, spent time and money. To give us a remake + some to something we all enjoyed since launch or whenever you purchased it. I say thank you to giving me an upgraded version

untold ingot
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Well, I used to say that. But then nitrado and snail did their thing

gloomy prawn
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Eh Nitrado lol

untold ingot
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It is really going to screw over the unofficial scene

gloomy prawn
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I don’t even know what they did.

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Don’t upkeep with Nitrado

winged dome
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Basically forcing Unofficial servers to be hosted by one company exclusively

gloomy prawn
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They want a monopoly for Arks unofficial?

winged dome
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Basically, and they have it with the deal unless there are other ways to host servers

gloomy prawn
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Well that’s like games being only xbox or only PlayStation exclusive.
Don’t know the extent of the deal, but hopefully Nitrado will up its game cause it has indeed suffered

winged dome
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I haven't used Nitrado in a while, but I wasn't impressed with their service or features

gloomy prawn
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It wasn’t impressive and it seemed to always be down, or having technical issues, hopefully whatever deal they made gives them money to improve these items

untold ingot
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And now they have exclusive rights to all unofficials lol

tropic forge
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lol

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and that wolf mods deal is for ASA right?

untold ingot
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Yeah and ark2

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So basically, mods and unofficials are screwed over for the foreseeable future

tropic forge
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yeh i definitly gonna wait and see how well ASA will be for a while than make my decision cause all this crap dosent bold well

gloomy prawn
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Guess we will see what they do with this.

oak nimbus
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There should be e and q kinda leaning

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Like you can lean to the sides a little

winged dome
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They have that, it's A and D

gloomy prawn
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Like the ointment?

gloomy prawn
oak nimbus
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xD

gloomy prawn
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I can just the horror videos, ASA… the island, your lvl 5, running through the forest, you hear a noise and light your torch to look around, you slowly turn around and see a bob sticking his head out from behind a tree, you double take and he’s gone .. then you get hit by a troodon. Game over.

tropic forge
desert swallow
tropic forge
tribal chasm
gloomy prawn
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Yeah I had in on Xbox, and I would crash quite a bit, either a disconnect or back to the Xbox home.

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Probably the first 2 years the game was out.

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And I would always disconnect in mid flight, never in my base.

tropic forge
mortal igloo
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ahh those where the days eh, speedy wyverns

harsh spear
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those days sucked lol. if you wanted to turn around with a wyvern back then you had to fly across half the map to make a 180

potent hull
stray elm
desert swallow
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Sources say it was of their own volition

potent hull
daring kayak
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When its coming out

grim kestrel
daring kayak
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ark 2

grim kestrel
daring kayak
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rip

grim kestrel
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ASA comes out in October though which is where we get a good preview of what we can start expecting from the new engine prior to Ark 2

desert swallow
daring kayak
desert swallow
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It'll help get it out

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Go to your local pharmacy and get some.

stone cedar
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Do you think they’ll fix the megalosaurus AI? I hope they add an option where you can turn on pick up or drop, just like you can turn on and off turret mode on Dino’s. Also, that megalosaurus don’t do damage to things after picking them up. It’d help solo players a ton. Everything that grabs and is land base does damage besides the argy when it picks little Dino’s up

grim kestrel
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Fluidity in actions is always a good thing, but not sure if it ever going to be perfect scenario for someone solo considering Ark has never been shy with being an open book it more centered on having an active tribe.

thick moat
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doesn't matter if it's not or if it is, can still give QoL changes

winged dome
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All creatures with special attacks should have a toggle to turn them off on unridden AI if desired

tribal chasm
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I think there is a whole bunch of things they could do to give solo players and tribes more control over dinos. However I am not sure how good it would be for the game.

thick moat
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and what's the problem with that

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don't you play alone sometimes too?

thick moat
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well we all know that, thing is it's fine to ask for fixes and qol lol

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even if it's nothing major

gloomy prawn
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F them theiven birds

tropic crag
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I don't understand, are you arguing that we should tell them not to add QoL toggleables to the various abilities? Because, what, one guy says it'll be helpful for solo players? TF??? No wonder WC doesn't talk to us any more, lmao

gloomy prawn
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The only communication we have now is with Polls xD here are you choices and go.

thick moat
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They never cared abt what we said to begin with

lime forge
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I mean. They could make it to where the damage requires input.

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Like the argy or the wyvern….

thick moat
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it wouldn't make it pointless wtf, it's just adding onto an extisting feature

pine basin
tropic forge
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another cc another nothing about anything important

stone cedar
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nah that wasnt the only reason. You are assuming a lot there. Have you ever had a army of megalo. They waste all their attacks to try and pick something up even if it cant be picked up. Their damage is hardcore nerfed because of that

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just give us the option to turn that off. The low damage from when their picked up may as well be cancelled to is all im saying

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To answer this, just make it like other dinos where after they pick something up, such as with argies beak, it doesnt automatically continue mauling the creature. This wasnt even the issue lol. The main thing is itd be fun to have some variety with boss armys in the game. The issue with megalos is that they spend to many of their attacks trying to pick their enemy up rather than attacking. Make that toggleable is all im saying. You can keep fixating on one sentence tho if youd like lol

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Emphisis on having endgame dino variety rather than just rexes, shadowmanes, and theris lol. There are two dinos i personally love and have always wanted to do boss fights with, but neither of them are even remotely comparable to rexes and theris. They are the megalosaurus and gigantopithicus. The little gorillas got hardcore nerfed into the ground. They level terribly.

untold ingot
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They were soo op in og sotf though lol

stone cedar
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really haha!? I should have tried it. I didnt really start until the major update and left once crossplay was turned off.

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I heard they were awesome pre nerf

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now they are just cool little features visually to see in ones base

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I played on a server where this guy built the eye of sauron tower and bred up super gigantopithicus. It was so cool. He went into a fight with like 100 of them against 10 theris of another tribe and got decimated lol

tropic forge
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megas are actually the gigas of aberration but i do get what youre talking even more since on pve the grabbing attack dosent work at all so its slower than a normal attack

lime forge
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Reapers are the gigas of aberration

stone cedar
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Yee. Megalos are the rexes of abberation. I’m just saying that one QoL update of making the grab a toggleable thing like turret mode is would put them in as an option for boss fights with the other usual Dino’s. When a megalo picks a Dino up it’s damage doesn’t go up with higher melee. It’s like a set 20-60 damage or something like that. I can’t quite remember

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I think it was unintentional to have them waste 50% or more of their attacks on trying to pick a Dino up that they can’t pick up. I’m just drawing attention to it in hopes they fix it

tropic forge
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well its more of a switching out from A.I attack list and leave it for player only to grab but trying to get attention yeh good luck whit that

stone cedar
tropic forge
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naa they wont, same thing whit the sleeping pattern they put on megas as a experiment if ppl would go for it to put it on all dinos before leaving EA but that idea was scratch and yet only megas remain whit the sleeping pattern

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and since they are over their heads whit all this shenanigan of ark2 to ark 1 UE5 to ASA remaster/remake early access (first in gaming history) adding or fixing certain stuff i not seeing that happening

tropic crag
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I still don't see how adding toggles for abilities (like the breath attacks, or turret mode, both of which are viewed as extremely useful mechanics, I'd say) is anything but good, lol

nova sonnet
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Voidwyrms dont have turret mode nor allow ai special attack

blissful perch
fast isle
tropic crag
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Uhhhh, toggles? I don't know how else to say it, when you toggle something, it's either on or off, like you toggle a switch or setting

fast isle
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Yeah but how can you toggle an ability 😭

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You just click it once and it happens

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You mean people want to infinitely breathe fire?

tropic crag
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I really don't know how else to explain it to you, there's already toggleable abilities in the game, as I said

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Maybe look at those abilities to see what I mean?

lime forge
winged dome
# fast isle You just click it once and it happens

It's more for unridden creature AI
Megalosaurus for example will spam their 1 damage grab attack against creatures way too big to be grabbed which ruins their damage output. Having a toggle option to enable or disable that grab attack when not being ridden would be a nice QoL update

desert swallow
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The better dinos mod addressed this. Not great for official.

blissful perch
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It IS silly that you can pick things up and choose to damage them with an Argi and not a megalo

grim kestrel
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If it your tame 100% should have the option to do damage or not.

hardy barn
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So ark assended is gonna cost how much on xbox if i have game pass?

split dove
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don't think it's launching on gamepass, so $40 for ASA wich includes all Ark SE DLC and base game. only thing not included is the new ASA DLC coming later on

hardy barn
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Oh ok thank you

grim kestrel
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That correct, ASA won't launch on game pass. However Ark 2 will when it gets ready to launch.

pine basin
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Wouldn’t make sense to keep ASE on Gamepass after the official servers go down.

grim kestrel
pine basin
grim kestrel
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Let me look for the survive the ark

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it would be a life savior is Bee clicked on this channel cause she has the 3 related for ASA saved I believe.

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Okay had to do some article searching to. It hasn't been dismissed from game pass, but it also is something that is not being confirmed either.

Day One releases on game pass are a pretty big deal in terms of player audience, and based on that it safe to say at this stage it most likely will follow on game pass at a later date.

Now unless that "game play trailer" they talked about before ASA launches which is a good possibility and a smart business move cause it will capture a lot of attention close to release if that when they announce it on gamepass.

fallow niche
analog hamletBOT
tender otter
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When ASA is released. Will the mods work the same way as ASE where we head to the Steamwork shop? Or is Overwolf gonna be sole place we go get them be it pc/console.

Also are mods not gonna be free anymore?

tropic forge
tender otter
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I was afraid that be the asnwer. I'm just so suprised that the game is coming out in a month and we still know so little about it. I dont think there has even been an official trailer with in-game gameplay.

tropic forge
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now seems nitrato as made a deal whit snail games that seems to force anyone that whats a server to have to deal whit nitrato only and for mods so far if not mistake you will have premium mods that as to be pay and free mods too all supervise by overwolf plus ASA will be in EA at release

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that sums up all info until now

wind valve
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The noterun will exist in ASA ?

winged dome
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Hopefully not, but no mention of any changes

lime forge
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I would like to see noteruns removed as well as base experience multiplier lowered.

lime forge
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That’s not a joke. The current speed of leveling even in 1x is a major factor in making a majority of tames and engrams useless.

tribal chasm
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If they can solve the pvp issue of it (ie you are required to have turrets/metal structures really to even begin surviving raiders) then that would be interesting.

astral token
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You speed level to 60 and then slow to a crawl, then from 70 to 105 you speed level and then slows to a snails pace

tribal chasm
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I was thinking that but then I wonder why they even bother with cloth/hide armor, thatch/wood buildings etc

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Even from a PvE side of things, you are in chitin armor -- a bite from a snake will have you eating half a stack of stimberries
then once you get flak you are basically immortal until your flak breaks (ie safe from most PvE)

astral token
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Wood is much cheaper and easier to source than stone for one

fallow niche
untold ingot
untold ingot
desert swallow
astral token
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💀

gritty plume
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💀

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THIS IS ARK 2 at this point

upbeat panther
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is ark 2 and ark survival ascended the same thing?

lime forge
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No

upbeat panther
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oh

lime forge
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One is a remaster the second is a sequel

upbeat panther
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i see

gritty plume
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@upbeat panther no they are not

low flame
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.

pine basin
modest sail
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bring on the preorders eh 😉

rancid harness
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I was so excited for Ark 2, now I barely think about it...

carmine folio
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Is ark 2 and ark ascended the same thing

winged dome
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No, one is a remake, the other is a sequel

desert swallow
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in theory

harsh spear
winged dome
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Have you not been seeing the updated asset teasers? 😂
Regardless, I'm not getting into this arguement for the upteenth time

harsh spear
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theyre not redoing code, theyre just reconnecting it. if a code has a function, you can reuse it. u just need to relink the sources.

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its more like if you have a puzzle and you start over again. you still have the same pieces but you need to figure out how to get them in place.

tropic forge
analog plinth
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ain’t it supposed to come out in October but there’s still no pre orders lol

pine basin
# harsh spear remake would mean that they are recreating it, but they are using the same asset...

That’s not by any means what a remake is. Actually any developer will use old assets when possible. I assure you ark 2 (a completely new game) will use assets from ASE/ASA/packs from the UE5.

The basic difference between a remaster and a remake is the first is just a visual upgrade and the second upgrades the visuals but also changes other aspects/features of the game. At first they intended to do a remaster: just upgrade the engine. Then they’ve decided to develop a remake: update the engine + QOL changes + new features etc.

tropic forge
pine basin
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They just improve on old code/assets

tropic forge
pine basin
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They don’t throw everything on the garbage when developing a new game

pine basin
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Asa is new game, the only reason they will call it a remake is because: 1 - it has the same story/lore. 2 - same characters

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I mean, based on they’ve announced so far of course. I have no idea on what they are developing behind the scenes

tropic forge
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well they said on 356 CC they make new code, so if they go sell ASA whit the same code line foundation thats just going for cash and nothing else since they always blame the foundation code on ASE to be the real problem that they couldt fix which made more problems after

pine basin
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Im sure they will use the good parts of the old game

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And still, it can be a NEW game

tropic forge
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check 356 CC on "No longer a backward-compatible free update?" second paragraph

pine basin
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“an evergreen classic ARK experience, one that can continue to grow over time on a cleaned-up code base, making use of the new technological advancements not only in the industry but also in what we are working on with ARK 2.”

tropic forge
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yeh thats what i reply to siggi

pine basin
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I mean, cleaned up code means to me they will fix everything broken

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If there’s at least one good line, why not reuse it?

tropic forge
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yeh but i remember there was a CC where they mention ASE had a spaghetti code line and they were making all new, i just dont remember which CC but i dint find on the 3 CC that was about ASA

pine basin
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Makes no sense to just throw the old assets on the garbage

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But that’s me, I can’t say what they will really do

tropic forge
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either way will see on launch how the game will be i for sure gonna watch this time carefully on youtube/streamers cause its lots of red flags for something this rush

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plus i dint even play ark 2 to re-buy the game that i spend years playing it

tawny tusk
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when dose ark 2 come out

tropic forge
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TBA

tawny tusk
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whar

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what

tropic forge
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to be announce

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thats what is on steam and stick whit it, other will say end of 2024 which wont happen

grim kestrel
tawny tusk
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GOD

south lance
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code tangled with too many things so changing one thing changes a bunch of things that shouldn't be related

blissful perch
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The analogy is to a pile of spaghetti. You don’t know what the noodle you grab is connected to

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The point is that it takes a long time to “fix” anything, because it’s not like a bug is sitting there waiting to be fixed

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The bug may be lying in the middle of the tangled mess of spaghetti…and it may be connected to all sorts of stuff nobody knows about

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If you don’t know what is connected to what, it becomes very difficult to avoid bugs and create new content without introducing a ton of bugs

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Not sure if that answers your question…since “the issue” ark has is different to everyone. Some folks it’s bugs, some folks it’s a mechanic, some folks it’s a server host

cedar trout
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i hear that ase has bad optimisation will ark 2 have it too?

blissful perch
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All bugs could be fixed if WC had infinite time and resources. But they don’t

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So functionally, yes, some bugs are nearly impossible to firmly fix because of the structure of the code

blissful perch
cedar trout
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ase

blissful perch
cedar trout
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ah ok

blissful perch
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Yes. The idea is that instead of cleaning a mess - make a new plate of pasta

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Way cheaper on time and resources, and it can be structured slower and with growth in mind (rather than ASE, which was built likely as a minimal viable product)

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When you’re early access, you need things out the door asap to get money or you go belly up and the project is dead. When you have actual money like WC has now…you can be slower and focus on quality

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(We’ll discover if that plays out ofc, but that seems to be the planning)

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They kinda do in crunches

analog hamletBOT
blissful perch
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But a lot of this is business and industry knowledge. It’s not WC specific perse, and gamers usually don’t care about that level of detail

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That’s a promise - and they can’t do that if the product doesn’t yet exist imo. Especially if it’ll be read as “all bugs fixed” which is never true

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Think of ground up as a promise of “bugs will be easier to find, and new updates will create less bugs”. That’s certainly gonna be true with a cleaner code base

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Yes, but I don’t know if Asa will be a larger product and thus occupy similar size. The relative size should be smaller

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But if you can imagine 100 spaghetti noodles in a huge mass on a plate versus lined up in the box…that’s kinda how the file size should work

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Graphics are always bigger than code

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Np. Happy to help!

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Always good to explain something more interesting than “ark 2 when” and “is asa ark 2”

paper wasp
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I’m hoping 40 gb

modest sail
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can you give suggestions anywhere? i think im blind

tropic forge
lime bluff
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When the release date for ark 2?

split dove
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atm end of/late 2024

rancid harness
# paper wasp I’m hoping 40 gb

The Island will probably be 40gb by itself xD We have to account for next gen texture upgrades and higher poly models my friend

rancid harness
paper wasp
tropic forge
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well starfield its a failure lets see how well ASA will be

stray elm
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The 'very positive' reviews on Steam, and the 70%+ on most review sites would disagree.
It wasn't everything people where overhyping it to be. But it is a standard Bethesda game like Skyrim.

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And they'll probably sell 20+ versions of it just like Skyrim

pine basin
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Also, not even remotely related to ASA or ARK 2

tropic crag
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Ah yes, Starfield is a failure, because... * checks notes * you have to move your ship a little bit every now and then to be able to technically explore the whole planet? Boo fuckin hoo lmao

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Go land on a gas giant or something 🤣

echo pollen
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Ark 2 will have each creature with a GPT brain like the GPT mod for skyrim? that gives all the NPC's GPT brains so you can simply give them voice andor body/sign language commands for them to understand and they have unique memory and unique personality. Also instead of fixed animations , instead make animation ranges so each Brain can decide how they want to and can walk based upon their health/brain state ?

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Also all we need is one big map the size of Australia.

stray elm
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I already despise ATLAS's comically large map that has no good fast-traveling system.
Having a map the size of a whole continent is....'yikes'

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I have, and that game has fast-travel.

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Time you spend walking is time you can spend leveling up.

echo pollen
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Ah you see a GPT game monitor can be built in which will notice any cheating through visual recognition and properly disconnect those who are.

stray elm
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GPT isn't even meant for stuff like that, people just use it anyway.
It's actually meant for coding advice. That's what it was made for, and that's what the developers developed it for.

south lance
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are there any mid sized fps without cheaters

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like to a significant degree

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maybe the larger fps explicitly designed with esports in mind might have minimal cheating

split dove
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i can already see what minority ark player he is

tropic crag
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Let's rephrase even further, as that form of the question is extremely loaded and cannot be answered by the common man (you can't know that, for instance, Bobby Kotick is cheating on CoD, until proof is presented as it has been with Snail and Shi Hai.) So, here goes; How many games have their own publisher/parent company actively using cheats in their game, and have been found out or have proof to that fact? There you go, now you can be smug and snide, as that is a rather unknown number (which I imagine is greater than one, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here 😉 )

grim kestrel
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There a good reason I never put much stock in post from people on discord who can't even put some sort of image on their profile.

split dove
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This also impacted our decision to sunset the ASE Official Network offline on August 31st, shortly before the ASA launch. Despite ASE Officials representing the minority of players on ARK
i was refering to you likely being a official pvp player but whatever, couldn't care less about Snail

grim kestrel
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And your account looks like a generic discord bot.

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It seems I hit a nerve

tropic crag
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Also, answering a question with a question denotes very little speaking power in the conversation at hand, answer @south lance 's question first at the very least

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🤣

daring dagger
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if the anime profile is irrelevant, then you shouldnt care about it, hence seeing joes arguments as valid
you should improve that statement

jagged latch
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Ark 2 will be available on pc on what date exactly?

tropic crag
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Ah, I see. The clown defense. Get tf outta here lmao

daring dagger
jagged latch
split dove
jagged latch
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Thanks man

daring dagger
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it was announced end last year, as he said, but as everyone knows, wildcard is probably going to move the release date quite a few times

tropic crag
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They may, but I have faith they will make good this time. A year and a half is a good amount of time to produce an early access, at least playable build of a game

daring dagger
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when did they release something on time lol
except for asa which they have to drop til october 31

tropic crag
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That being said, I can't remember if Ark 2 specifically is going to be EA or not 😅

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I know ASA is

daring dagger
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ea?

split dove
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it's still gonna be EA launch unless that changes during the 1.5 year extra time

split dove
daring dagger
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oh im stupid

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i thought like "EA" as in "pay 5 dollars to leave game"

tropic crag
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No worries, sometimes the brain sees the greater evil in the acronym

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+1 brownie point

tall gate
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got my vote

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i think ark is an rpg long-term fortnite game with a shit ton of uncompression and bugs as well as many exploits [that have worked for 4+ years at that]

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wouldn't call it an fps

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cheaters gonna exist anywhere on any game. there's no respect for games these days due to the pure incompetence and negligence of AAA companies just pushing out garbage

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i could vouch for that. I found it hard when i first played dark souls as a child

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stressful at times for sure

tropic forge
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ark 2 will be a game of rolls 🤣

tall gate
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it will be a game of vin diesels where there's no actual dinosaurs and wildcard will make some poglasaurus idk

tropic forge
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ho no when i said "rolls" i meant dodge like the souls like combat

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roll roll roll roll attack and repeat

tall gate
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if it's the case, i sure hope panick rolling will bring punishment in pvp

tropic forge
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anyway thats in far distant for now will be ASA and mark my words ark 2 depends how well ASA will make in $

tall gate
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is there a vague release date for ASA?

grim kestrel
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October

tropic forge
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some will said end of 2024 but i say youre better whit what is on steam which is TBA

grim kestrel
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he said ASA not Ark 2

humble stone
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Ark>starfield

prisma acorn
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ASA is set to release in October and there have been no changes

tribal chasm
# split dove > This also impacted our decision to sunset the ***ASE Official*** Network offli...

That's the first time I have seen Wildcard admit that, interesting. Although I still feel it must surely be the most likeminded place for players, like...even if it is the minority, it still has the largest amount of players with a similar interest in 1 theme
"A restaurant has 100 customers enjoy steak
20 enjoy fish
20 enjoy chicken
20 enjoy lobster
20 enjoy pork
21 enjoy vege/vegan
'even though steak eaters (official players) are the minority'...

tropic crag
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You have been upgraded to an veggies

tribal chasm
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how does that confuse you, add the emojis back immediately.

prisma acorn
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official players are the minority, no one wants to play 1 or 1.5x anything. most would rather hop on a 20x and have a full endgame base built in 30 min and be straight into the pvp

tropic crag
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By minority, they mean, you know, smallest playerbase

split dove
tropic crag
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Not slightly smaller than some sections but bigger than others, no, THE smallest portion

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So your statement makes little sense with that in mind @tribal chasm

prisma acorn
tribal chasm
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It's just a malicious way to word it because, unofficial is bigger but there's 10,000 servers with different settings on each, there's no common ground. Official on the other hand has the largest commonground, it's gotta be

tropic crag
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Not really, most unofficials don't stray too far from one another, there are outliers but they die out within days usually (like 1000x servers or some silly shit like that)

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Besides, official has separate modes too, so that's a little unfair

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Arkpoc, smalltribes, PvP, PvE, etc.

tropic forge
south lance
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thats an issue ya, but unrelated to game dev. Snail is just a shitty publisher. At least the worst of it is contained on snails clusters, though i dont doubt shit has happened elsewhere

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the fps part is because the cheating in ark is usually aimbot and esp and meshing, and fps is the biggest genre where cheats like that exist

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the worst is on snails clusters i thought?

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ive heard of occasional shit on 1x and smalls

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but thats over multiple years

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there hasnt been a mass ban like the one on conquest in at least a couple years tho unless i missed something

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i mean even if snail delays it just means nitrado gets money from all of snails IPs in order to regain that loan money, instead of just asa iirc

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and imo asa is going to be unplayable the first month since theres no transfers

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the loan is something like 4 million

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its actually pretty small all things considered

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ark is already a billion ish dollar ip

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yes, over 8 years, but still

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i doubt the loan is actually as big of a deal is imo

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maybe we can look up shi hais net worth

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maybe its locked up somewhere, idk

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snails in china right

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then its gonna be hard to find money if its invested there id think

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iirc animated series is gonna be separate from the budget wc has

split dove
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it's from the pockets of arks founders like jeremy and jesse

south lance
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i think theyll have tbe same split of authority with snail and wc clusters

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with how snail plays i doubt they will have an issue with reduced population

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so everyone just avoid the snail games clusters lol

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they arent

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thats why i think they made asa

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instead of going stra8ght to ark2

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imo they couldve done ark2 first then released asa later for the people who didnt like ark2

tropic forge
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they about to release a new game or already have release so yeh another abandonware thats just to grab quick cash for snails

south lance
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but i dont think the switch port made enough money for that so they instead decided to make asa to boost revenue until ark2

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and maybe ark2 is just really time consuming cause who knows

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compared to rebuilding ark

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how many people eben play switch

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im guessing 20k but i have never seen the number before

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like monthly i mean

tropic forge
south lance
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i think that bashing would be overridden by new players, or so id expect a few months ago

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now i dont know if asa or ark2 will be successful with new players since everyone heard about the snail games incident

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asmongolds coverage is almost infuriating since hes half just bashing normal pvp rather than the dev abuse

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but now everyone re remembers ark as the "shit game" and idk if new releases will hit arks early player counts

tribal chasm
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ASA shouldn't attract 'big' streamers, they already know what Ark 1 is like
Ark 2 maybe

south lance
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i hope it does since multiplayer games suck when theres not many players lol

tropic forge
south lance
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they know now tho

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even if its only for a week and 90% "forget" and "move on"

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its like league but to a much less severe extent

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everyone who hasnt touched league knows its a shit game

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tho then idek why people play league anymore

tropic forge
# south lance they know now tho

they know that was snails that open china borders so all servers would be unlock for the chinese and they promote cheats to bring more sales on china for ark?

south lance
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ark2 apparently was gonna cut down the dino roster somewhat, @split dove was that true

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i remember discussing it a while ago but i dont remember if that was an idea or news

split dove
south lance
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fair enough

south lance
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the point is that they know ark is a shit game

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so they wont buy it

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assuming the above happens the franchise dies or snail starts huffing loans ig

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i mean, predatory loans probably dont care

tropic forge
south lance
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i dunno if snail would give up wc until the devs all leave the company

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i havent heard mich about starfield

tribal chasm
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I was sure I had read someone this is just 1 branch of Snail, not all of Snail Games

south lance
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extract money until it hits the ground, make ark p2w, etc

tropic forge
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that aint happening since wc was bought by snails so if snails goes under so wc too

south lance
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wc said no to p2w

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ya

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which is good but then that was way back before this interim period between ases abandonment and tje new releases

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the new releases success or lack of may change wcs ability to shut down snail, esp since snail already has a history of buying and burning games to the ground

tropic forge
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no jeremy really screw when he start making ark 1 and was fine whit a "couple" of million in court and thats when snail steps in

south lance
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i forger where i saw the vid for that info tho

tropic forge
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gotta google it

south lance
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it was the company the ceo used to be a part of iirc

tropic forge
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it was just 40 millions in fine

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actually i think it was when that game was in develepment jeremy start to make ark while working for them or whatever it was, found on a site while back he even try to recruit while leaving trendy

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think was contract

south lance
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i think contract

split dove
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non compete clause iirc

tropic crag
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The same thing that some company is trying to get Dark and Darker for, non-compete clause

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Can't remember, but it was some company that's been doing it for years to small game companies just starting up, like Ironmace

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Pretty sure Ironmace has it in the bag though, but they did get it removed from Steam, the bastards

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Pretty much, yeah

pine basin
grim kestrel
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Ark did pretty well with concept they have for fast travel, either have an outpost and keep set amount of resources/equipment there and use beds to go between spots. And for ASA we will still end up with teleporters. And then I am sure even with Ark 2 they will have some primitive magic that basically a teleporter.

blissful perch
blissful perch
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Imo fast travel (beds, teleporters, etc) and “fast travel” (maewings, shadowmanes, etc) are NOT the same, and have dramatically different consequences to map design

grim kestrel
blissful perch
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Fast travel is good - it lets you return to and from explored areas with ease and removes the tedium of walking from A to B. The journey from A to B is done slowly and it feels rewarding to not need to endlessly repeat it…and you learn the terrain and have a positive exploration experience. “Fast travel” however is cancer - it allows you to bypass everything in your surroundings and move too fast to remember (or care) about the path you took from A to B. The map feels smaller, and you forget the details and features and experiences in between

pine basin
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Like shifter said above, it’s different and there are different consequences for each of those features.

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I think it’s ok to fast travel with a few things in your inventory or the cloud. But the way it is today, makes everything too easy.

blissful perch
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Genesis 2 is massive and Ab is by comparison quite small. But if you only use Ab local tames on Ab, you quickly realize that it feels big because it takes TIME to go from A to B

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But on genesis 2 you grab a stupid fast mount and that map feels tiny

grim kestrel
# pine basin I think it’s ok to fast travel with a few things in your inventory or the cloud....

I understand what you're saying completely, and in terms of what you're describing is issues related to PvP which are real issues that come up. I can't and wouldn't begin to say what would solve that for PvP as games like Ark are strictly PvE for me. (Edit: Unless I find a server like one I played where there were specific PvP locations more to test out yourself and it strictly monitored for PvE beside that.)

As I replied to Shifter about Primitive Plus mode on Ark 1, I wish they could of at least got it just fully functional before dropping support.

south lance
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largest unofficial i can think of may have like 36 maps

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official has several hundred per gamemode

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excluding arkpoc

grim kestrel
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But you also have to consider the position majority of unofficial are financially maintained by an individual and not the developing/publishing company. So OBVIOUSLY official will always be bigger on a technicality just in the fact it is official.

But now when you look up streams and videos from popular streamers and youtubers majority of them either maintain their own server or play on unofficial which even if they play on their own server that would still be considered unofficial since their not on an official server.

blissful perch
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Popular unofficials can be packed, but the official network has dead servers that continue to increase as a game ages. Unofficials can be more flexible to meet what people want in the moment

grim kestrel
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Yeah by bigger meant there will always be more people on an official servers than unofficial, that any game.

My post was more to point out that an irrelevant comparison because it not even a level playing field when the ability to keep up low pop servers well exceeds an individual ability to do the same.

I just made the content creator point to show such cause anyone who watches personal game play most likely watches it from someone who maintains their own server not official because official is terrible for content due to it level of grind.

blissful perch
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Agree with your creator point for sure

untold ingot
pine basin
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Cryos, teleports and transmitters made everything too easy. For pvp and pve.

blissful perch
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They should be at static safe points that each player unlocks, similar to fast travel in almost every game ever

pine basin
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I remember before transmitters and teleporters even the island looked larger.

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Pteras were fast, but they didn’t carry much weight. Because of that it didn’t unbalanced the game.

untold ingot
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Its not the tps, its the tames

pine basin
untold ingot
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Tps are expensive to make and its hard to have more than a few for pvp. But tames move almost as fast as a player in cheat fly lol

pine basin
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Before tek things were more balanced on that regard

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Things went downhill with tek

untold ingot
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I mean, most pve players still dont have a lot of tek because thats not how they play it

pine basin
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Cryos and transmitters, then teleporters, then hovercrafts, then unlimited elements + stryder 😂

blissful perch
pine basin
untold ingot
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So you are saying things went downhill with extinction then

untold ingot
pine basin
blissful perch
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Pre flier nerf it was BAD. 300% speed PTs crossed the island in 2 seconds and broke the perceptive map size

untold ingot
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Yeah 300% movement speed pt is managable

blissful perch
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Maewings do that now, but at 100% speed lol. Between that period balance was closer to right

pine basin
pine basin
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Fliers were op, but you weren’t able to do everything with them

blissful perch
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Ab did the best job by banning fliers and keeping the grounded tames (and thus travel times) long despite the physical space being small

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300% fliers on the island made it small - unless you had to walk another tame back, so I’ll give it that

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But then stalkers, maewings, manas, etc just OOOFED perceptive map size by being so damn fast (AND having cryos) that maps became teeny to people despite being physically massive

untold ingot
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You arewnt actually saying pre speed nerf fliers were less op than tps lol

pine basin
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We still needed to use some land/slower Dino’s

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But I remember one flier was really broken

blissful perch
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I’m not really talking about “balance” here, but the perception players have about the size of the map

pine basin
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The quetzal

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Because of the platform

blissful perch
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The map felt small on a flier at 300% movement speed. It was balanced by it feeling HUGE when on foot or the ground, but the issue was still persistent that a player could yeet from A to B on a flier so fast that the island felt small

pine basin
pine basin
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Before cryos at least

blissful perch
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Well. Fliers did have way higher weight stats at the time too

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But I do get your point

pine basin
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But yeah, after the nerf it became even better

untold ingot
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I mean, if fliers were less op than tek now, its because people didnt know how to cspin lol

blissful perch
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Neither of us are talking about “op”

untold ingot
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Im not arguing because I like tek, but the arguement that prenerf fliers were less problematic than tek is funny

blissful perch
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We’re talking about how the map size is altered. Tek teleporters caused a different type of challenge to map design and perception than tames did

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Not sure if it’s a question of “op” or not at all

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It’s certainly without a doubt true that teleporters and cryopods had impacts on how “big” a map felt. Just like 300% speed fliers and new speed gliders

untold ingot
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I really dont see how fliers dont cause that same perception

pine basin
untold ingot
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I would argue that that is a part of your perception of the map

blissful perch
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The rates were lower so you likely did more trips and waited longer to do things. And ofc no mutation stacking

untold ingot
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I cant say that my perception of the maps have changed at all, its just gotten easier to move around

pine basin
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There were no buffed rates on weekends, no cryos, the default rates were half of the current rates on officials.

untold ingot
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Actually I take that back. My perception of the maps changed dramatically when I first learned that there are very few viable spots to build on each map for pvp

untold ingot
blissful perch
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If you want to see an example of what I’m talking about, try playing ab from scratch and walking to the red zone, then try moving around on a drake

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You can feel a HUGE change in the perception of that map’s size because of one tame’s movement capabilities

pine basin
untold ingot
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2015 a big base had way more than 100 turrets

pine basin
grim kestrel
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I agree with how big map size feels based on what you are able to do. But I will say Gen 2 for what it has is way to big, a map that sizes needs a bit more substantance to it or chop off 10% or so of the size, just feels like to much wasted space.

I will say Ragnarok felt like a good balance of size and purpose. If WC could focus on that balance they'd be fine

pine basin
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Back when they started the evo events

pine basin
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At least not on mega tribe officials

desert swallow
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Gen 2 was a disapointment. They made the rockwell area look way cooler in trailers, end result looked nothing like it.

pine basin
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After the center bases started becoming huge

blissful perch
grim kestrel
grim kestrel
blissful perch
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I’m not saying everything should be slow btw - I’m just saying the map has to be designed around the transit and vice versa

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You can’t have a massive map be appreciated by players if you give them tames that just zoop on over it in 2 seconds

grim kestrel
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Gotta give people a reason to be on the ground more. Have something for players to do on regular basis throughout the whole map on the ground.

Then fast flyers and such kind of become a passive tame and not a must use to travel all the time

blissful perch
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I’ve suggested ark 2 methods to help with this issue - making air travel dangerous is a start, making it hard to interact with the ground while in the air is another, and there are others I’m sure I (or others) mentioned but forgot

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The most obvious option is slowing it down. But imo I’d rather keep the speed and heavily gut the ability of fliers to transport anything but players. Unless formal fast travel is added, in which case I retract my statement

desert swallow
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slow flying feels bad

untold ingot
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Nerf cryos to a stationary structure, and reduce flier weight. Thats been my arguement from the beginning

grim kestrel
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I would like to see a more active sky wild life than we currently have. Not only for more caution in traveling through the air, but it would make you consider having to have air defenses at your base versus just building behemoth gate size walls and being perfectly safe from wild dinos

pine basin
untold ingot
blissful perch
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PvP should also be forced out of caves

paper wasp
blissful perch
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But that’s another topic entirely

untold ingot
blissful perch
pine basin
blissful perch
pine basin
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This way we would never be totally safe because there would be intelligent (?) pve forces trying to hunt us

untold ingot
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People are stuck in caves because of platform saddles and fliers

desert swallow
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caves make sense though. we were cavemen

untold ingot
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It makes a limited number of base locations that are suitable for groups

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Talk about making a map smapp

pine basin
untold ingot
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People went to caves because it's not viable to be outside of caves. It's not just a scenery change

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Along those same lines, bases in caves pre cryo were absurdly broken

grim kestrel
pine basin
untold ingot
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It was possible before

pine basin
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Before those you wouldn’t be able to live on a cave

pine basin
untold ingot
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You could live in caves and have your breeding lines in caves, and they were untouchable

pine basin
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Medium to large tribes weren’t able to live on a cave

untold ingot
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Yes they were

mint swan
pine basin
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Caves were more like a backup

untold ingot
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Yes, but your main loot and breeders were unraidable

pine basin
untold ingot
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And you still do...

pine basin
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Now you don’t need it

pine basin
untold ingot
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Have you pvped recently?

pine basin
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But I don’t believe anything changed

untold ingot
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Well, point is that any serious base these days has extensive outside defenses

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Turret capping is a thing

pine basin
blissful perch
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Outside defenses ≠ a fully outside base…unless you mean teleporters

grim kestrel
# pine basin No, everybody is living exclusively in caves

In PvP areas like that will always be a problem because of the win mentality of everyone who purely plays PvP.

Just like how YouTube single handily ruined a casual fun PvP experience because everyone just watches for someone to upload a video of what the meta is in every game with PvP now.

untold ingot
blissful perch
untold ingot
blissful perch
untold ingot
blissful perch
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Gotta add the nuance on the front end

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“Bases outside are non viable, nobody does it”
“Ok, so everyone needed a big open air base”
“You actually still do need that”

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It LOOKS like a contradiction unless some form of nuance is included

untold ingot
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Fob

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Forward operating BASE

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No nuance, it's just not a home base

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And no, people generally don't build fobs in caves

grim kestrel
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Maybe add some kind of negative effect to players and dinos that are hidden away in caves for excessive amount of time where it either reduces their stats over time or something to that nature

untold ingot
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Like I suggested a year ago

pine basin
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Now people pretty much have some teleport points outside and everything else is inside a cave (s)

untold ingot
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Yeah, but it's not because of tps and cryos that they did that.

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It's because of platform saddles and fliers

pine basin
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I know they go to caves because they avoid platform creatures, but without cryos and teleporters we needed to have bases on the open to keep our FFA Dinos. Do you remember the walls of brontos/paracers?

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Large Dinos were kept in the open because we needed to keep them there

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Large Fully grown creatures were unable to get out of the caves, so we needed to grow and keep them outside

south lance
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itd be nice if they made structures able to be picked up into inventory

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instead of just destroyed for half resources

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make them more expensive if you want

blissful perch
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The issue I always had was getting weighted down by random spare materials whenever I deconstructed

grim kestrel
south lance
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like people already easily farm the mats for thousands of structures

pine basin
south lance
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idk how op that itself really is

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like you can still transfer slotcaps before getting wiped through transmitter

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its the same process but instead of setting up a replicator you can start building

pine basin
south lance
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i dont know why tho

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and if it was so op, why does it exist on popular unofficials

pine basin
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They can balance everything back time to time

south lance
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i dont know if that matters since the tribe numbers and ability to farm is so much higher on official

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like for the 10 person tribe, i can see the difference, but officials get like 30-200 ppl

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maybe smalltribes this could be really broken tho

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since you cant farm as much with 6 people tho apparently large groups still team so idrk

pine basin
south lance
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because its so easy to farm i think it just makes it a qol improvement

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i dont think its a necessary feature to be sure

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or highly helpful

pine basin
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Actually I don’t even have the patience to disassemble a big base to rebuild it on another place

south lance
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i just think it would make peoples lives easier especially if cryos are removed

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for people to just carry base with them basically

pine basin
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Not really about being costly to the player base

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I mean, I’d rather demolish my bases on the foundation level than disassembling them structure by structure

blissful perch
pine basin
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Unless they implement the s+ pistol on the base game

south lance
grim kestrel
blissful perch
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Even if the walls were “broken wall” and needed nearly 0 materials to fix but needed to be recrafted it would probably be fine. It just can’t be an instant on instant off

south lance
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since removing cryos seems really likely imo

south lance
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but ig people will be forced to live outside again maybe

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so its not like you just need to touch a wall to break it like in caves

pine basin
pine basin
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At least not for ASA

winged dome
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I can see it going either way, hopefully they do remove them at least for a bit

grim kestrel
south lance
winged dome
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Or rework Cryos to only be deployable within range of sufficient ally structures

south lance
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or like, yeah rhey could still not remove them, we cant tell yet

winged dome
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No more pocket Giga BS

south lance
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i think theres a chance tho

pine basin
south lance
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a lot of people who comment on ark are players from before extinction who miss the old "dinosaur game" without cryos and tek everything

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like on youtube at least

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idk how significant those people are as a whole

pine basin
south lance
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but its noticeable nonetheless

pine basin
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We don’t know what’s coming day one

south lance
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werr most people excited that ark2 is gonna be more primitive?

pine basin
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Im not sure they intend to remove cryos

south lance
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since that reaction might also influence the devs decisions on how exacrly asa is made

pine basin
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I would like that, but I’m not sure they would do that

south lance
pine basin
winged dome
pine basin
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Most people aren’t commenting here, or reddit or YouTube

south lance
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if the devs do at all take into account what the community says then the people commenting should still be more influential imo

winged dome
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I don't mind Tek, do like the QoL it provides, but am open to Ark2 taking the series in a different direction than what we've seen in Ark1

south lance
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and they do do balance passes, so some sort of player feedback is absorbed somehow

pine basin
south lance
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wdym

pine basin
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Let’s say we have a million active Ark players

south lance
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cause ik the smallest minority are people actually talking about ark anywhere

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ya sure

pine basin
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How many of them are here?

south lance
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maybe 0.1 to 0.001%

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i recognize that

pine basin
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They will more likely rely on their telemetry than discord comments

south lance
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how do they measure those things tho

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idk if there are hidden stats in game that can be used

pine basin
south lance
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nah

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no idea about that

pine basin
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Im sure they have some kind of telemetry

pine basin
south lance
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ik other games definitely do that, i just dunno what stats they utilize for this

pine basin
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Most used weapons

south lance
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yeah i can see that, since every tamed dino and item is stored

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but how would that be enough data to change a dino

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there should be more imo

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but maybe there are stats im forgetting and stuff

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servers probably save information like damage maybe?

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so maybe percent of all damage committed, certain attacks, etc

pine basin
south lance
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so like stats first, something seems off, peoples opinions later

pine basin
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Im just saying they won’t rely exclusively on people’s opinions here, or reddit etc

south lance
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that could work

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i dont think they do that even in isolation from those stats, since they probably will do playtesting and stuff independent of that

pine basin
south lance
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but i do think it should be somewhat significant

pine basin
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ASE is pretty much the same for 2 years

south lance
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dollie gets online and asks for kit on megatribe server and balances whatever dino is in the cryo she gets

pine basin
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For ASA, I don’t now how they are balancing the game

pine basin
south lance
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nothing is known ya, but maybe we can guess a little better than random

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somehow anyways

south lance
pine basin
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There’s a lot of info you can get just checking the bases

south lance
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fair enough

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take some representative sample of servers and see whats up in the save data

pine basin
south lance
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ya true

pine basin
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BUT again, that’s for officials

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Pretty small sample

south lance
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i mean

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unofficials are modified so those wouldnt even be fair

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balance can only really be done on official

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and officials have hundreds of servers pee mode i think

pine basin
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I don’t have the numbers, but I would bet there is more people playing solo host games than on official servers

pine basin
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But I mean which features community needs implemented

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Like cross platform mods

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They need to assess what features most people want

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It’s hard to choose

south lance
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i would guess thats where community feedback comes in

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also devs own opinions and stuff they see trend wise in other gamed

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a lot of games im waiting on are cross platform

pine basin