ark-2

[harsh spear]

you could still play with friends but you just have to have your own base

[long marlin]

I have been playing Conan Exiles. It has the lock-on / dodge / light and heavy attacks that I think WC are putting into Ark2. It's been good so far.

[split dove]

is the lock-on in Conan camera based or actual dmg lock-on? just curious as lock-on can refer to both

[blissful perch]

Frankly? No. I think dedicated singleplayer mode should have some bigger changes from multiplayer, but I don’t think there should be any balancing in a multiplayer environment for solo tribes

By nature, people don’t group up with strangers. It takes effort to do so. You need to encourage it by making solo play difficult on multiplayer servers. But in SP mode you don’t have a choice, so the game should respect that

[untold ingot]

Its a camera lock

It works pretty well, but with daggers it makes it pretty broken

[tropic forge]

you must be talking about pvp cause pve there's a lot of ppl that are solo

[mint swan]

There’s a fair amount on pvp servers too…not as many as PVE, and perhaps nowadays not too much, but there was a decent amount of solo’s previous years

[blissful perch]

Y’all are both whiffing on his point imo. He’s taking about solo exclusive servers (IE NO tribes)

[south lance]

solo only pvp could bw interesting

[mint swan]

I wasn’t talking about his point…

But to not “whiff” on his point, I think it’s a good idea

[tropic forge]

thats why i said "you must be talking about pvp" since on pvp that would make a bigger challenge for all to be solo which in the end would end up the same as small tribe problem, ppl would still band together and wipe everyone else

[past wind]

Would be like small tribes servers. The small tribes are actually mega tribes split in several smaller ones.

Solo pvp would be mega tribes split in several solo tribes 🤣

[south lance]

the logistics would be way harder to manage i think

[past wind]

I think they need to improve the alliances so everyone can play on huge alliances to counter mega tribes

[south lance]

smalltribes people at least have a group

you can get far with 6 people

[south lance]

alliances in this case would make it even easier for megas to arrange the logistics for this

[past wind]

Actually it wouldn’t be so hard to counter that limitation, imo

[past wind]

My point is everybody would be on a huge alliance

[south lance]

there isnt a lot thats "hard" but at some point the effort isnt worth it

especially since most raid targets are rathole bases

[past wind]

Instead of having 10 mega tribes we would have like 20 mega alliances

[south lance]

not massive caves

[mint swan]

I don’t think everybody would be on a huge alliance. It’s easier to be on a huge alliance on 6 man, because you can rotate people monitoring base

[past wind]

Ark isn’t meant to be played alone

[south lance]

ark is meant to be played however you want

[mint swan]

A solo tribe, much harder. Even with “Allie’s” only one person is truly maintaining base, watching log, etc

[south lance]

the devs are just kinda garbage at balancing around practicality

[mint swan]

Still possible, but harder and less successful than small tribes

[past wind]

They need to make it easier to have my own tribe but still be able to be an alliance with multiple settings

[past wind]

Yeah, true

[south lance]

alliances arent a fix

[past wind]

Disagree

[south lance]

i mean you can literally informally ally the server as is already the case

[past wind]

It’s too complex to be played alone in a pvp server

[south lance]

its just time commitment

[past wind]

Limiting the size of the tribes won’t fix that

[south lance]

all the information is out there

you dont need to limit tribe sizes to make solo viable, its just that this would be an interesting mode

[past wind]

Not just that. You can’t counter 1000 players playing alone

[mint swan]

I personally would like the idea. There’s already solo’s on small tribes, even regular official. Even with alliances(verbal or official), still gives solo more of a chance

[south lance]

solos arent meant to counter 1000 players

[past wind]

That’s the reality

[south lance]

ok

[mint swan]

That’s exaggerated tbh

[past wind]

Limiting won’t fix that. They would just circumvent the limitations

[south lance]

the point isnt the limitations

[mint swan]

Even small tribes “alliances/mega tribes” it was at most something like a 6v24(1 tribe vs 4). Give or take

[coral summit]

Mm I'm just jumping back into it and even I know there are too many players on a server for you to start solo anymore they'd just kill you as soon as you loaded

[south lance]

its literally just another game mode with mechanics that would disincentivize large scale pvp

[mint swan]

And 6 people can easily defend against 24. Defense is much easier

[past wind]

Hyperbole of course, but solos are playing against huge tribes/alliances

[south lance]

and would also likely disincentivize large scale projects like capping lines

[past wind]

I don’t see how, but if they can do that, I’m in

[mint swan]

It’s doable. Defense is easier. Like I said, small tribes was never 6vs1000 at one time. It was at most 1 tribe vs 4-5. Which is doable. Mega tribes aren’t as big or as functional as they seem

[past wind]

It would be just another small tribes experience

[south lance]

because you literally dont have the resources to get a large cave filled in in 3 days

[mint swan]

Small tribes isn’t even bad with alliances tbh

Only thing that brought down small tribes(on console at least) was aimbot. Alliances weren’t much of an issue

[south lance]

youre assuming far more coordination than is actually worth the effort

[mint swan]

^

[past wind]

But the 70 players limit per server does that. On mega tribes you can’t put 1000 memebers raiding one server. You raid multiple servers at the same time. People still do that on small tribes.

[past wind]

Not assuming anything. Just saying what happens out there 🤣

[mint swan]

That’s not really what happens

[past wind]

I like this idea

[south lance]

teaming can happen but its not 50 people capping a server on smalls

its like 2 or 3 tribes vs 1

[past wind]

I just don’t see that working

[mint swan]

I haven’t played in the last year or so, but before then I never really saw that issue. At least, it wasn’t a bad enough issue

The biggest issue was aimbot. Alliances weren’t much of a problem

[past wind]

On pc this is a real issue

[south lance]

hacking seems super common on the more tryhard modes like smalls and arkpoc

[past wind]

Teaming and duping are the worst issues on pc

[south lance]

solo ark would have this even worse

[mint swan]

It’s BAD on console small ltribes

[past wind]

I like the idea. In the last 2-3 years I’ve been playing ark solo on pve servers. Because I got tired of the official pvp servers, including small tribes

[south lance]

it would be nice

[past wind]

Small tribes was actually more time consuming than mega tribes 🤣

[south lance]

you just need to fix speedhack and aimbot

i didnt even know speedhack was common tbh

but apparently its a thing

[south lance]

ya

cause what happens is that youre not decreasing base size at 6 men, youre just increasing the workload to reach the same base size

i think the critical point for when a tribe is too small to just lock down a single server might be 2 or 3

[past wind]

Yeah, and here’s why I’m not so hopeful about the solo mode

[south lance]

ik some people who account share on smalls to get more activity rho

[past wind]

Wc can’t balance things and people would circumvent their rules

[past wind]

I know, but I would never share my acc

[south lance]

im just saying it happens

and as such increases the effective player count by double maybe

[past wind]

Yeah, I know, but you see the issues, right?

[south lance]

ik

[past wind]

People always circumventing the rules

[south lance]

but i think the sheer limitations on getting things done quickly as a single person per tribe should have significant effects on the final outcome

i just dont imagine itd be common to see a group of solos shut down a server

[past wind]

Maybe, but I find it hard that wildcard would ever balance servers to be played solo

[south lance]

they dont really need to

[past wind]

They probably think the host solo is enough

[south lance]

they might just need to increase rates and loot drops

you can still do basically everything in the game that matters as a solo to trio

trio might just end up as hardcore smalltribes

[nova sonnet]

for ark ascended should be cluster where gen1 and gen2 dont exist

game peaked at extinction 🤣

[past wind]

On pve, for sure. But for pvp, people will find a way to work together and just raid the others. That’s where they will circumvent any limitations. It’s easier to balance PVE because they can controle the “enviroment” side. With pvp it’s different.

I really think limiting the sizes of the tribes isn’t a solution. I’m not sure what can be done, but the limitation in the number of players in one tribe never worked.

Unless of course they had a huge enforcement staff. Which isn’t the case.

[south lance]

it isnt supposed to be a solution

its here to provide an alternative mode of gameplay to the usual 10-1000 player groups

smalltribes didnt solve megatribes, it just added a mode where its not just slotcapping servers all the time

you will have some teaming, its just not going to be the default because it takes more effort than just playing on the normal servers

especially since the reward is just owning a dead several servers with nothing to do besides bite thatch huts

[untold ingot]

It's possible to have a more enjoyable experience in small tribes, but it is wrong to say that big alliances on smalls isn't part of the problem. Because it definitely is.

At least on steam. It's a big issue

When I played smalls it was pretty rare to find a raid that wouldnt have two or three tribes show up to defend

[nova sonnet]

think about it

pre genesis ark had the perfect mix of prim and tek gameplay

OR what could be done

is having arkpoc servers like normal but we get to keep our characters and tekgrams instead of them getting deleted every month

but thats more quality of life change (dont wanna farm bosses twice 🤣 )

[untold ingot]

Ext had no perfect mix and no balance though. It's ab that was the peak of ark

[nova sonnet]

would still prefer playing without the genesis maps

[stray elm]

Then don't play them.

[untold ingot]

I prefer playing without genesis and ext for pvp though lol

[nova sonnet]

i meant delete everything gen related

tekgrams engrams dinos map

[untold ingot]

They aren't going to delete genesis lol

[stray elm]

Nah.
I'm fond of those maps, flaws included

[nova sonnet]

but i want what kishko had 😢

[stray elm]

Tough fucking luck.

Host your own cluster without them.

[nova sonnet]

why cant i post utube links

[untold ingot]

Because you cant

[stray elm]

Cause why would you be able to?

[nova sonnet]

i was going to link an ark vid

[stray elm]

That no one asked for?

[nova sonnet]

dont recall needing permission to send something

[tropic forge]

🍿

[tropic crag]

Read the rules again, then

[worldly cosmos]

has there been any updates on estimated release, i havent checked on ark 2 in a year or so 😅

[split dove]

atm late 2024

[stray elm]

Welp, the rules literally state otherwise

So yeah, you 'do' need permission.

[south lance]

mid tech pvp looked the coolest

still does

if they just redo all the design decisions around later maps thatd be neat

[trim lichen]

Think he was more referring to permission from u mate

[stray elm]

I know.

[sweet plover]

what maps r in ark 1.5

[fallow niche]

Same as Ark 1, plus one more new map but we don't know what it is yet.

[past wind]

Is it confirmed to have a new map coming with the new DLC? It’s not clear to me.

[fallow niche]

Considering every dlc has been a new map, it sounds pretty clear to me
But I'm assuming since I do not know.

Here it also mentions drops, creatures, items, and structures, so what else could a new dlc be, if not a map?

[stray elm]

They flat out stated a new DLC map.

Like, it's not even theorized.
It's confirmed

[fallow niche]

I didn't go back and read it, this one I just had already, but I thought it had been.

[stray elm]

"We plan to release a new canonical-story expansion pack for ARK: Survival Ascended that will be available in Q4 2023. This DLC will feature four new creatures, which we’ll share more details about later this year!"

Hard to see, since it's such a small portion in the crunch. But it's like between the ASA features and the Animated-Series screenshot

[tropic forge]

wonder if that new dlc story is after extinction fight

[stray elm]

Hopefully

You know how pissed people will get if it's literally anything else but Arat-Prime?

People have been asking for a bridge-DLC since Genesis-1 came out, since there's a large gap between Extinction and Gen1

[tropic forge]

how so? thats ark 2 and the original end was extinction even when was nothing about ASA i was wondering what happen after on earth since they move to another planet

[stray elm]

Cause there's so little ARK-2 information, and major delays that make ARK-2 not so fonded over to others.
There's also such a large gap between the ending of Extinction and Gen1, even to the point that the ending of Extinction was hyping a possible direct sequel DLC with Rockwell now on Earth.
A Arat-Prime DLC also 'would' be a post-Extinction DLC, and we can see what's currently happening on Earth before the events of Genesis-1.

[tropic forge]

uuuuhh dont say that name here some will jump on you cause they are tired of him 🤣 but thats what i said the end of extinction we ear a roar that sound like rockwell and they should do another map to tell the story of after extinction but yeh ppl here jump on me cause of that, it was ridiculus and stupid cause rockwell was on 3 dlc and they had enough of him 🤣

[stray elm]

I wouldn't mind seeing him again, since he's not canonically dead yet.

[tropic forge]

he was on a mind-hive stage but some here hate the idea of rockwell not being dead

[stray elm]

Well, he is.
In the furthest in the timeline.
A arat-prime DLC would be set between Extinction and Gen1, so he wouldn't be dead yet.

[tropic forge]

he could be on genesis and on earth at the same time, the all idea of hive-mind thing is to be able to spread yourself around like a virus and make it very hard to kill

[stray elm]

'Eh' not really

[tropic forge]

lol we can find out if earth is still there when they whent to arat

[stray elm]

While yes, the point of a hivemind is to spread.
That individual still exists

Also, it's more or less confirmed that he left his old body and uploaded his consciousness to a new vessel that was on the Genesis-ship

[tropic forge]

or just a part of him when to the ship

its sci-fi all makes sense 🤣

dont tell me you wanted to upload characters and dinos to ark 2?

well whit the hive-mind if just could kinda clone himself and have 2 bodies but whit the distance end up making 2 separated entities

not argue just saying how they could do it

[blissful perch]

Ark official wasn’t gonna run forever

If anything, ASA should be a blessing for official players. A fresh start on a game they already liked rather than a new game with new mechanics that sounds unpalatable for some

Ah, that’s what I get for late showing

What’s more sloppy than 3 months heads up?

AND all official servers have their saves made publicly available? That’s pretty dang kind

A mildly attended unofficial is more than many officials 😅

May wanna check that crunch on where the player majority is

[thick orbit]

^

[mint swan]

^

Clearly

[blissful perch]

Can someone translate that message for me

[mint swan]

^

Ok now I feel like he’s just saying shit trying to be edgy

[blissful perch]

Man said “unofficial is more popular because they cater to their players”…is that correct? Am I missing the problem?

Credit where it’s due. He changed his perspective when he saw a fact

Many people start ark in singleplayer though?

And the ones that do start on official are mostly driven out

They lose money on hosting official servers

They lose $0 on every unofficial that’s hosted

You paid the same as the people who paid and never played official. Yet the folks who don’t pay official foot the bill WC pays to host officials 😅

Ooh see that’s false

A game does not need a service to run (let alone indefinitely)

The most purchased game of all time (minecraft) has no form of “officials”

You’re talking about a service as the product. Which ark is not

When you buy ark, you buy the game’s content. Official is just a mode of play that can be replicated by anyone playing unofficial

[tropic forge]

tell me do you paid monthly for the servers you play?

[blissful perch]

Ideally my money which went to the product goes to the product…but I think we both know that’s not what happens. Especially 8 years down the road when officials become a net money loss

I mean…did you not choose to lose sleep over ark?

That sounds like your own choice to me

[tropic forge]

every begining as a end

check how much is to rent a server and do the math how long your "payment" would last as paying for officials, consider very lucky they had 8 years, most common pratice is 2 to 3 years and thats it

[blissful perch]

Which is fine? No harm there

[stray elm]

Holy shit, this is fucking entertaining to read.

[blissful perch]

It’s a little strange to be salty that ark 1 officials closing means ark 2 is a bad product, but you’re allowed to think that

[tropic forge]

actually isent diablo thats supporting those servers unless diablo immoral aside from that theres WOW sucking money out for a old tech game

[past wind]

A new map is inferred by their CC? Yes! Is it confirmed? No. Only confirmation so far is the new dlc will bring 4 new creatures.

[stray elm]

'A new story-expansion'

[blissful perch]

We’re all aware that unlike Diablo ark does not have a new game to siphon funds away from to the old game

[past wind]

Although I believe a new map is coming, I’m no sure.

[stray elm]

They flat out stated it'll come out this year after ASA.

[past wind]

Story-expansion =/= map

[stray elm]

Yes, it's confirmed.

[tropic forge]

sure what that p2w diablo subs from wow plus diablo 2 got remaster whit a bundle of diablo 3 so thats more incoming, get in your head, no one gives nothing for free

[stray elm]

I'm going to bash my head into a wall with your comment.
When, tell me a single fucking time Charlie, when a 'story-expansion' in ARK hasn't had a map alongside it.

[past wind]

No, it’s not. But fine…

[stray elm]

Please, I'd love to be disproven.

[past wind]

Well, I’m looking forward, not backwards. It’s not yet clear to me their plans going forward.

[stray elm]

That's deflecting the question.
Answer, the, question.

[past wind]

But anyways. I hope the dlc comes with a new map. That’s why I asked for a confirmation.

[tropic forge]

and some will enjoy ASA if dosent get screw

[stray elm]

When has a single story-expansion 'not' released a map alongside it in ARK?

[past wind]

Also I hope the new map brings Ark 2 features. Like being larger, having world events etc.

[tropic forge]

wont those world events being from genesis?

[past wind]

I mean those meant to come with Ark 2

[stray elm]

For all that is holy within this world, answer the question Charlie. Please.

You're actively avoiding answering the question, that has the answer of 'if it'll have a map' right in front of you.

[past wind]

Man, look, what I’ve asked is: is there a literal confirmation the new dlc will have a map?! The answer is no.

It doesn’t mean it won’t have a new map

[stray elm]

It's a 'yes' if you have common-sense with what Wildcard deems as a 'story-expansion'

[past wind]

Nah… I’m done with common sense and WC in the same phrase

[stray elm]

What would be story-related in a expansion just adding 4 new creatures and a few engrams?

[past wind]

Im waiting for official info from now on

[stray elm]

Okay, 'that's' fair.
But that's still tearing my mind apart

[tropic forge]

im still thinking if that dude pay 20 bucks to play diablo 4 beta whit after he said he fund diablo servers 🤣

[harsh spear]

i wouldnt mind if Wildcard bills you for playing official, if they would actually balance shit and take care of cheaters and teamers

subscribtion based is a smart option, because it ensures that whatever they doing is fun. Its a positive for both sides because the player wants improvement / fun and the game/ server-provider wants money.

[stray elm]

That's not always the case.

Look at Blizzard with WoW with their own community, hating their newer DLC's.
Yet they keep pumping them out

[harsh spear]

well blizzard is rather ABusing the subscription model. They have pay2win in a pay2play game so yea. Blizzard for me worst game company in the world. Every game is a lost case.

[stray elm]

While I wouldn't see Wildcard doing this, you have to remember they're owned by a company that'd do the exact same thing.
Encouraging these type of models is what Wildcard is against, since encouraging them means SnailGames gets their way with it, and they can act predatory with it.

[harsh spear]

imo ARK has fallen drastically despite its potential, including the server performance. I think a subscribtion model wouldve helped them to improve. It doesnt even have to be much money, just like 2€ per month from every player would total quite a bit.

there is still bugs that have been in the game for years like not being able to craft a pickaxe which locks you out of any other craft

[stray elm]

Bruh, they get enough money from DLC's alone, we don't need subscriptions.

They get around 150Mil a year.

Granted, that's a bit lower since they haven't published a paid product since 2020.
But that shit is going to skyrocket when ASA comes out, and the new DLC.

What they 'should' do, is have less empty official servers, and not have a comically large amount of them.
Less servers means more people interacting, and easier moderation since they don't have to look over like.....what is it, doesn't official have like nearly 100+ servers with all gamemodes?

[harsh spear]

while thats true, as Shifter has mentioned though, people are paying for the game and not the servers. therefore WC has no real reason to improve them servers and whats happening inside of them, which i think are currently major issues to have fun in ark.

[stray elm]

Okay, but that's an incentive for 'us' since 'we're' paying for the servers, not them.
Just because we're now throwing money at servers, doesn't mean they 'will' take care of them. Just means a new form of income for them.

[harsh spear]

well they would have to come up and say we're offering official servers for 2€ per month to ensure their quality and hire people that will moderate servers so things are going the right way. (gms )

[stray elm]

Again, they don't 'have' to do that. There's no legal obligations.
SnailGames could predatorize it, and just force people to pay 2$ a month to play official, with no difference in quality.

[harsh spear]

wdym legal obligations ? if they dont do shit then obviously people wont pay for them anymore

[stray elm]

You can say the same with current official.

Most people bought ARK for official servers.
But most either just leave the game, or go onto unofficial servers.
Doesn't matter by the end of the day since they have the money already.

[harsh spear]

currently there is no reason for them to improve servers cuz they have the money already.

thats where the strength is of the subscribtion model

[stray elm]

Wildcard also just genially seems hella anti-microtransactions, due to recent leaks showcasing some touchy stuff between Wildcard and SnailGames trying to force Pay-2-Win weapons into ARK, I just don't see this happening.

[tropic forge]

theres have to be huge changes chances on wc for that to work, 1st of all ark as to be free i laugh every time i see wow being sold as a game them ppl have to pay to play it it just makes 0 sense, 2nd wc had to hire real customer service not what they had on ark 1 it was a pure joke and 3dr whit snailgames behind the wheel theres a chance that will not happen at all but just paying subs and game staying a shit state

[stray elm]

Again, 'or' they just lower the official server count, and just allow their admins to moderate those limited servers.
They don't need some treat like a dog to do something good, they already make a shitload a year to maintain hundreds of servers.
Take away those servers that aren't being used, and you'll have so little amount that moderators can reasonable do shit in.

The issue with moderation on official stems from two issues.
A: There's too many servers to do anything in, with a finite group of moderators (around 10 if I recall)
B: The inner corruption that is SnailGames that likes to fuck with Wildcard sometimes.

One can be easily solved by just shutting down half of all of the servers on official.
The other, is a lot more complicated.

[harsh spear]

no. u would get the game but just not be able to play official servers

[stray elm]

That's the issue I have with subscription services in ARK.
If it was only Wildcard that owned ARK, I'd be willing to take that chance.
But SnailGames has shown countless times it's anti-consumer, and willing to milk us for anything we have.
Us the community encouraging shit like subscriptions, are what'll cause SnailGames to snap and force it into ARK, with Wildcard leaving or not.
Then, we'll see the same fate as all of their other games like ATLAS, Dark and Light, Oasis, etc, that have turned into Pay-2-Win hellscapes.

[stray elm]

You're not getting the point, aren't you?

[tropic forge]

dude sometimes i thing snail employees are on this chat to bring subs and mtx to see if ppl go onboard whit that

[harsh spear]

watch my history dude and im not snail game employe lol

i dont even know what you are talking about with them

[stray elm]

I don't know, you're a bit sus.

[tropic forge]

them before you try to mention and convince ppl on subs and shit like that you should make a little search about snailgames their games how was their relation whit wc

[harsh spear]

you guys have problems. im suggestion a solution that includes money and you instantly think im a predator

[stray elm]

Yeah, that'd probably be wise.

No one once said you're a predator.

[tropic forge]

let me guess you probably dont play official either way?

[harsh spear]

i played 90-95% official

[tropic forge]

then yeh make a little search on google about snailgames

[stray elm]

SnailGames is a fucking cooperation, you numbskull.
A cooperation that doesn't care for their employees.
A cooperation that owns Wildcard, and in turn ARK.
A cooperation Wildcard has been fighting against for years, just to make sure people like you don't have to pay 15$ USD just for a shield that can broke anything in the game, that also has a 15$ USD drill that can break said shield permanently, until you paid for a new one.

While Blizzard has done some horrible shit, and they certainly are up there in being one of the worse.
SnailGames is so anti-consumer, that makes Blizzard honestly look like saints. (with how they treat their consumers I mean, not their employees.
Blizzard is still worse in the employees part)

Also, frankly it's a dumb idea to pay 60$ USD for a whole game, just to have to pay like 2$ a month to play on their own official networks, after you bought the game at a full-priced AAA-game.

[harsh spear]

but personal feelings aside, all we want is a great game, and all they want is money. subscribtion model seems like a good solution. however i dont get why they are so stupid to sell their own company and cant make decisions for themself anymore

[stray elm]

Cause they had to sell themselves, or go defunct.

[harsh spear]

why would they go defunct?

[stray elm]

Oooh-wee, let me tell you a funny story

So, back before ARK and Wildcard was founded, the soon-to-be founder of Studio-Wildcard 'Jeremy' was working on another game called 'Dungeon-Defenders'
There's multiple sources of why he left, none definitive.
Either way, he left the company and took some employees with him to make Studio-Wildcard.
But oopsie, turns out he signed a none-compete agreement with the studio when he joined all those years ago, so he either forgor or didn't care at the time.
Company got a wiff potential money, and so when Studio-Wildcard was founded, ARK was first made in 2015, they finally settled down, made a good foundation on the game and where going to start fixing the games coding to hopefully push the game to it's limi-OH OH 'New challenger approaches!!'
The previous company found them, and sued the shit out of Studio-Wildcard, cause of Jeremey's non-compete agreement.
They got sued for....I think like 180Billion? and that was FAR more then they could pay off.
So, starving for money while, while another dog was poking at them, Studio-Dogcard was starving, and nearly dead.
But who's that? Is that a possibly kind human that is giving the dog food? Oh wow I wonder if this'll be a long and wonderful friendshi-NOPE!
They got bought out by SnailGames, forced to make Scorched-Earth during Early-Access to help pay off half of their lawsuit (Snail paid off the other half) and the rest is history.

[harsh spear]

and now with ASA and ARK 2 they cant make a new company cuz they are locked in another none-compete agreement ? xD

[stray elm]

They could....'if they wanna get sued again'

[harsh spear]

good story telling 😄

[tropic forge]

dude really 180 billions 🤣 its not certain but numbers vary between 40million to 60 million plus wc was already bought by snailgames before they start to sale ark thats at least what i found on google

[stray elm]

It's almost 2 in the morning, shush, i got my millions/billions reversed

I always hated how Millions and Billions spell and sound almost the same

[stray elm]

Also, that last part is incorrect.
I don't know what you're finding on Google, but everything I found, and other more professional Youtubers have found have stated otherwise.

"December 2015
In December 2015, Snail Ark Inc. (a California corporation and subsidiary of SDE Inc.) was merged into Studio Wildcard."
It's literally on the Wikipedia you numbskull!! 🤣

ARK was made on June 2nd of 2015

[tropic forge]

ark 1 ASA ark 2all copyrights are own by snailgames, jeremy might come up whit the design etc but its the snailgames that own wc so jeremy cant do shit about it, thats why when snail try to put mtx on ark 1 wc employees threat to leave the company and leave the project hanging

[marble arch]

Is Jeremy in this server?

[tropic forge]

dude i dont make me look for that text its almost 10am for me and i havent sleep yet

[stray elm]

Fair

[stray elm]

I don't think so, only Jesse.

[tropic forge]

jeremy only shows up on twitter feed tab whit memes to make ppl going whit wild guess just to be something out of this world later

[stray elm]

I think he does it on purpose, to fuck with people

[stray elm]

Found it.
It was originally going to be a $600 million lawsuit, but they settled for 40$ Mil

" We’ll probably never do anything like microtransactions. We’re not very good at stuff like that, the free-to-play mentality. We’re good at bringing value to the game. We’re not good at micromanaging that value, trying to nickel and dime people. To us it’s too much of a distraction from developing a fun game. We just want people to always have all of that content. That said, we are thinking about, in the next few months, as the game approaches launch—we want to give people bigger experiences, not just content updates. We’ve talked about expansion packs we want to do.

For us an expansion pack is a huge thing. It’s not like, hey, here’s a couple more dinos. An expansion pack for us would be probably close to the order of magnitude of what the base game is, in a lot of ways. So we’re thinking about that. But again, when we do something like that, there will be a lot of value in that, just like there is in the base game. We’re not trying to do what some big publishers do, which is a unique position we’re in."

This is a quote from Jeremy @harsh spear

Seams like Wildcard values the 'quantity' over 'quality' mentality.
They'd rather have one, big paid content that's like 40$, that has 40$ worth of content in it. Then just a quick buck subscription service.

[harsh spear]

ok i see

[blissful perch]

I agree with you. A subscription that’s clearly delineated as something that gets reinvested into officials, and that is 1.) cheap 2.) comes with the promise of improved servers/moderation and 3.) has a free trial built in would be a huge boon to everyone involved

WC and snail’s bottom line goes up because officials no longer represent a recurring loss (instead the number of open servers scales with the amount of subscribers) and players get better quality services. Now it’s fair to say that outcome is functionally impossible due to a slippery slope (though a subscription for a service is not really a microtransaction…it’s a service fee if anything), but I doubt snail would complain if WC controlled where the subscription money went since the alternative is to not have it come in at all

[rancid harness]

[tropic crag]

Corporation*

[stray elm]

I will fucking eat you!

But also, how the fuck did I not see that before I posted it?
Was kind of obvious

[tropic crag]

Also, a subscription for official access would save the franchise, easily. It would;

1. Lower the amount of cheaters
2. Lower the amount of screeching 12 year olds
3. Increase the amount of moderation
4. Allow people to continue to play official without worry that it'll shut down out of nowhere, as long as people are actually playing it and paying for it
5. Fund the servers, allowing WC to not have to pay out of pocket for them
6. Make people actually feel like they put time and money into something worthwhile, or alternatively
7. Make them realize when they need to stop as Ark addiction is real
8. Probably more reasons too, like helping fund better internal QA teams so DLCs don't launch like hot garbage and such, etc etc

[untold ingot]

It would also kill official. Why would I pay for a subscription to play official when I could just play unofficial for free, or rent my own server with friends to play on my settings for the same cost.

[tropic crag]

It obviously wouldn't be the same cost, that'd be the dumbest shit lmao

[past wind]

They need official to test their stuff. Why not partner with nitrado so they can release official premium servers?

Let the officials be free

[untold ingot]

How much then? A couple of cents to play official?

[tropic crag]

You're just being absurdist, I got better things to do rn

[past wind]

Anyways, I think paid servers for pc won’t save the franchise. Most likely it will kill it for good.

Paid official servers, I mean

But if some people really want moderated official servers, I would partner with nitrado or Microsoft to have premium official servers with dedicated GMs

[untold ingot]

Bruising when people don't agree with him entirely lol

[stray elm]

Hang on, let me try something that may or may not be funny for me.

[stray elm]

Damn, I didn't know Lotus took over your account.

[tropic crag]

Please stop @ ing me, thanks

[stray elm]

Hmm..
Hmmmm....
Hmmmmmm....
What if I do it again, Lotus?

Wonder if I can get Lotus unbanned. 🤔

[sly locust]

ark mobile W

[stray elm]

Ew

[sly locust]

cuz free lol

[split dove]

mobile 🤮

[stray elm]

Free doesn't mean good

[sly locust]

bro mobile better than paying money on the pc and ucan dowlod mobile on ur pc and make grahique better

[stray elm]

Yes, but it has 50% less content then the official PC version, no modding support, and has shitty microtransactions in it.

[sly locust]

but free

and have my love griffinand giga and so mutch other like the normal but stil lW TO PC AND W TO MOBILE

[stray elm]

Yes, and pc ARK was free for a whole 24 hours to own.

[sly locust]

RELLY?

Omg WHAT IMISS

[stray elm]

Like back in last June, yeah.

[tropic crag]

This channel isn't for mobile, it's for Ark 2

[stray elm]

The base-game was free to own for a whole 24 hours

[sly locust]

WHY U TOXIC

[stray elm]

So checkmate.
PC ARK is still better cause it was free.

[sly locust]

ty mr bootleg

for chatiing whit me and being respect my opion ty so mutch

[stray elm]

You're welcome?

[sly locust]

alr i m leving its channel see u

[stray elm]

Anyway Lotus, how's your day?

[hollow sable]

interesting conversation to say the least

[winged dome]

Just Average Ark Chatter things

[blissful perch]

Closing the loop for logic’s sake that Raq and I have a fundamental and acceptable difference in opinion that ark official should/shouldn’t be treated like a standard MMO

[stray elm]

I for one defiantly don't believe official should be treated as an MMO

[blissful perch]

*definitely

[stray elm]

EEEEEEEEEEEE

[blissful perch]

Ultimately it depends on the person. I see no reason not to treat ark official as a separate robust service that’s paid for as such, but that’s not everyone’s take

[stray elm]

I just think if official is paid, SnailGames 'will' take the chance to make it more predatory.
That, and people just genuanly like free stuff.
I can see people flocking to free unofficial servers then paying to access official ones monthly.

[untold ingot]

I mean they paid for Vin diesel to act in a TV show. I don't think they are hurting for cash so much that a paid official is necessary

[stray elm]

Like, currently I can see them 'starting' to hurt for cash, since it's been three years since their last paid product.
But I feel like with ASA and the new standalone DLC coming to it, them starting to hurt for money will be paid off, with some more money after ASA comes out.

[untold ingot]

Even if only 50% get Asa that's still a huge chunk of change

[stray elm]

Yep

60$ USD per purchase

Hang on, I'm going to do math

[stray elm]

So, currently the playerbase is around 45k players.
So, we times that with the 60$ USD, and we get '2,520,000$' for that.
That's before the new 20$ DLC coming a few months later, and also leaving out the potential hibernating ARK players and potential new customers.
Adding on those last two factors in could make it instead 3Million$ USD.

[tropic forge]

did you cut half of 45k players?

[stray elm]

Oh shit, I forgor that.
I was going with if 'all' players currently bought it.

[tropic forge]

and those 45k are from steam alone or in general?

[stray elm]

Steam alone

Then there's obviously the Epic, Xbox, and PS playerbase.

But 2.5Mil is already pretty good 'if' theoretically 45k people bought ASA

[blissful perch]

There’s a curve on any product for price vs sale numbers, so that’s not surprising or new

[tropic forge]

than yeh hard to know how many freeloaders are on those numbers but i suspect its a lot higher compare to the ones that pay for it

[blissful perch]

2.5 mill is also kinda small in revenue if you’re AAA. Not sure about AA or whatever designation WC has tho

[stray elm]

That's again, just Steam players alone.

[tropic forge]

well dont forget the snails cut, snail needs food come on

[stray elm]

Have to add onto that with other platforms

[stray elm]

Fair, but still.

[untold ingot]

I think they are going to sell way more than 45k copies

[tropic forge]

only after ASA first 3 month sales you can have better idea how much they will cash in

[stray elm]

Right, this is just if all Steam players currently active got it.
You'd have to include new players, hibernating players, longterm sales of new players coming in over time, etc.

Oh, and of course other platform sales.

[untold ingot]

I think there are more than 70k currently active steam players, since not everyone plays everyday

[tropic forge]

plus wont will ASA only for next gen consoles?

[stray elm]

"all Steam players currently active got it." as of active, currently.
'Right now'

[stray elm]

Yerp.

[tropic forge]

its gonna cut some there too then

[stray elm]

But next-gen console shortage hasn't been much of a thing this year if I recall, so they're more accessible to get.

[split dove]

thankfully we won't be held back by old tech this time

[blissful perch]

Ofc the argument being made is the payment for a service over time opposed to a product’s investment that needs to be paid back

[tropic forge]

still talking about officials having a sub?

[blissful perch]

That’s what this entire conversation is yes

[tropic forge]

damn 🤣

i just being thinking last 4 days, before the famous april fools joke cc none or barely none ever talk about wc running out of cash or making ark whit subs or even whit mtx but since after that cc its almost the only thing ppl talk about now 🤣

[blissful perch]

I’ve been talking about it for years at this point

[tropic crag]

Same here, idk where you've been, Fox

We've talked subscriptions up and down

We've talked just about everything up and down, for that matter

[mighty lion]

Still relatively difficult to find in stores

[stray elm]

Stores? Yes
But online? Not really, and they're around 400$ USD now, instead of their (I forgot the term) overpriced 800$ from unofficial sellers.

Scalpelers!!
That's the term

[split dove]

don't forget sony upping the PS5 price to $550 for no reason lol

[stray elm]

Fair, but that's a standard Sony moment

[split dove]

standard sony anti-consumer move moment

[stray elm]

Okay, I see the Series-X is actually 500$
But a lot better then the 800$ scalpelers where selling it as in 2020

Series-S is actually only 300$

I forgot that's the point of the S-series Xbox's.
A little less powerful, but affordable.

[steep spoke]

when will ark2 be out?

[serene onyx]

Not till end of next year

[steep spoke]

...

wow

[sick rivet]

Series S is a waste of money though the hardware has already hit its limit.

Developers actually hate the S

[past wind]

Source: My uncle

[sick rivet]

Hmm?

"Developer claims ‘many’ studios are asking Xbox to drop mandatory Series S compatibility"
All you got to do is google, do game developers hate series S

[past wind]

That’s different from hating the series s. They want more flexibility to release a game just for the series x.

Also, if read it, they don’t say the names of large studios.

Just some indie studios

[sick rivet]

That was just 1 article

Tbf

[past wind]

Series s is selling like hot cakes

[sick rivet]

That's why microsoft will stand their ground

[past wind]

If you are a dev and hates it, you don’t like to sell your game

[sick rivet]

It was great marketing on microsoft's sife

[past wind]

Im aware of all the articles

They all replicate the same: “unknown devs want the restrictions lifted”

[sick rivet]

Oh trust me I get it, but you wanted me to source I gave my source wether right or wrong I'll accept it ^_^

I'm not a game dev so 🤷🏼‍♂️ I just play my games and have fun x D

[past wind]

I get it. I’m just saying they don’t really hate it. They want more flexibility. But the articles don’t name the devs, so they are not trustable IMO. I need to which devs and for what games they want the limitations lifted, then I will trust the articles.

Also, imagine limiting Ark 2 and Asa to series x and ps5

[sick rivet]

That's fair

[past wind]

It would sell less than offering also to the series s

[mortal kestrel]

meh, Ill just stick to pc

[fast jay]

is wild card updating anti cheat for ark ascension

[winged dome]

Hopefully, but we don't know yet for certain

[tropic crag]

Yes we do

It was in the original post iirc

[sweet plover]

no gen 2 tho right

[haughty gust]

Once that is released will the ark we play basically die out?

In terms of content and updates

[rancid harness]

Seems so.

The community will take ark 1 wherever it will.

It'll be up to modders and players to keep it fresh.

[stray elm]

Yes.
The rhynio is the last content update for the original ARK

ARK: Survival-Evolved will have updates with bugs and such, though

[boreal trench]

[thick moat]

⁉️

Wahappen

[rose bone]

Bc ark ascendend is gonna be on a New engine a lot of things will get patched like floating stegos floating turrets Fov glitch meshing etc.

[thick moat]

I still don't trust wildcard on saying that they are doing it from the ground up

It has to be old engine with some patches

[stray elm]

Why does it 'have' to?

[thick moat]

Imagine remaking ark 1 from the ground up, there's just no way that they do that in less than year specially counting the fact that they realised that an update to the base game wouldn't do the job

[stray elm]

They already have, though

The switch version is a recoded version of the PC version

[thick moat]

I recall them mentioning they were gonna use it only for the update to ARK 1 no?

I misread it then if that's the case

[stray elm]

Well, unless they're redoing the coding again (which would be dumb) they're most likely trying to make the Switch version compatible with the PC, then modifying that version to port onto UE5

[thick moat]

I should read the community crunch again ngl

But yeah that will most likely be the case

[tribal kite]

if i may add i am not sure about it being an update as i can wishlist it on steam as ark two (i tried to sound proper) but ye idk it might be that

[stray elm]

Bob was talking about ASA

[past wind]

TBF no game using UE is made from the ground up, at least the engine (which is a lot of work) is already done. Also WC Wildcard probably used all their assets from ASE and worked on them.

From the ground up?! Maybe not. But it doesn’t mean it’s not a huge task. New features, QOL changes etc can be really time consuming.

[thick moat]

yeah that's true maybe they are really doing it "from the ground up" kind of, but with ark se assets which takes a lot of work away

no idea about UE5 though so yeah, would be cool to see someone ask people like Nekatus or someone knowledgable about UE5 so we would be able on what to expect

[harsh spear]

it would be stupid of them not to use ARK SE assets. They already look great for the most part. Performance has been a problem with them already but with UE5 it can load more polygones at once and also has a build in world partition system to only load in certain parts of the world at once. So i think performance will be a lot better

[solid vector]

What would ark recommend graphics be

[blissful perch]

Ark 2? Dunno yet

[midnight forge]

UE5

[compact pine]

Will it have better optimisation or inverse?

[astral token]

Atleast a 3050 I’d assume

[rancid harness]

It'll likely be better optimized, but will require much more power at higher settings even with the optimization. I have a 1080 that bypasses raytracing, so I've been alright with current gen games, but I'm kinda worried about my frames when ark 2 comes out lol.

Also now that my synthwave Ark main theme remix is out, I'm looking at doing a remix of Ark 2's main theme. Looking for genre recommendations, anybody got a favorite genre they think would work?

[tropic forge]

1080 aint gonna cut for UE5 a 3060 minimal, there's a reason why the "next gen" being tag on these new games whit UE5

[rancid harness]

Not on max settings for sure, but I'll be able to handle the games no problem on a combination of medium and low settings.

Still gaming at 1920x1080, so not a big deal for my current card.

[compact pine]

Why don’t they do DLSS support? I don’t think it’s kinda hard

[stray elm]

For ARK-2 or ASA?

[compact pine]

At least for ARK 2 or for both

[compact pine]

Idk, try Phonk remix or rock

[stray elm]

ASA will have DLSS support

As of ARK-2, there's nothing stating it 'wont' have DLSS

[rancid harness]

I actually just got off helping a friend do a phonk album so I might take a poke at that 😮

[untold ingot]

A 1080 won't give the best graphics, but it works with Ue5

Next Gen is just talking about consoles

[past wind]

But just saying… ASE was one of the games Nvidia showcased on their presentation, back in 2018, saying it would get DLSS. 🤣

[stray elm]

Wasn't that Nvidia though, not Wildcard directly?

[past wind]

Would Nvidia showcase something without wildcard having a say?

[stray elm]

I believe they have done it before actually, so yes.

[past wind]

It’s like the games banner with “upcoming games in the next 12 months”

[past wind]

Im sorry, i think it was wildcard

[stray elm]

Yep, The Long Dark was added to Geforce-Now without the devs consent.

So it's not off the table. 🤷‍♂️

[past wind]

GeForce now =/= RTX

[stray elm]

RTX-cards are owned by Nvidia.

[past wind]

For Rtx the devs use nvidias super computers to implement dlss

[past wind]

GeForce now is a service. And Nvidia has partners running their own streaming services

[stray elm]

Right.

[past wind]

Rtx is a brand with their AI proprietary tech and Ray Tracing etc

Anyways

Dlss was supposed to come to ASE LOL

[past wind]

Just found a Twitter from arks official account:

“We’re very excited to see what RTX & DLSS are going to make possible in gaming and in ARK. Check out this article for a break down of what a leap forward these will be for gaming! Stellar work from @NvidiaGeForce. #GraphicsReinvented”

So, Nvidia didn’t created this out of nowhere. Wildcard is the one who never implemented. Not sure why.

And this tweet is from 09/2018

“At the time of writing, 25 games are adding DLSS, including popular titles such as Final Fantasy XV: Windows Edition and PUBG:
Ark: Survival Evolved from Studio Wildcard”

[mellow wadi]

wait

ark 2 is the new game or asa

im not talking abt the remake

[split dove]

Ark 2 is the new game, not the remake

[mellow wadi]

asa is the remake, alr

is asa gonna be 2k still or will they make it 4k?

[stray elm]

ARK: Survival-Ascended is a remake of ARK-1, while ARK-2 is a whole different game.

[stray elm]

Graphics?

[mellow wadi]

yeah

[stray elm]

I believe 4k.
Later maps like Gen2 use 4k textures, and one of the things they're promising is 'updating the artstyle of earlier maps to go along the newer ones'

[untold ingot]

Asa is going to be Ue5, so there is a possibility of it being 8k lol

[mellow wadi]

lmfao

ASA is gonna have A LOT less bugs right?

and load in time may be faster?

[untold ingot]

... Maaaaybe

[stray elm]

Hopefully.
Seems like they're reworking the coding of the game, so hopefully

[mellow wadi]

k

[untold ingot]

Load time probably won't be faster for loading the game. Cave loading times should be gone

[stray elm]

It'll have DLSS support, so frame-wise it'll probably do good

[mellow wadi]

k

[stray elm]

Imagine loading into the world and into caves seamlessly.

[untold ingot]

It'll be epic

[stray elm]

It'll be fucking hilarious if the loading is literally a single frame drop for a millisecond.

[mellow wadi]

yk the bug where when u host a non-dedicated server, and your friend teleports to u when u go into a cave

will that get fixed ever?

[stray elm]

That's not a bug.

[mellow wadi]

i meant when they tp to u when u go into a cave

[stray elm]

'Maaaaaaybe'
All of the confirmed stuff they listed is in two CC's

Community-Crunch 355 and 356

[untold ingot]

The tether distance isn't a bug. It's there so you don't crash your single player lol

[stray elm]

But that's only valid for old-gen/bad PC's

[mellow wadi]

yeah

[untold ingot]

Uh, it's still important for new Gen console, and medium pcs

[stray elm]

You can increase it while hosting a server, and if you have a decent PC, then you can increase it to the max, which basically removes it.
Issue is, other players will still teleport if the host enters caves.

[mellow wadi]

mine's on max

o alr

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's because caves are technically different maps

[stray elm]

Correct

[untold ingot]

That may or may not change tbh

[mellow wadi]

hopefully ark 2 isnt like that

[stray elm]

But if the hosts PC can run the entirety of The-Island, and all of it's levels and sublevels at once without issues, why would caves be an issue?

[mellow wadi]

fr

i get the freexing of when entering and leaving a cave

but tp not rly

[stray elm]

Yeah, that's just the level loading

[untold ingot]

Rarely can a pc do that. Even the good ones lol

[mellow wadi]

bruh

[stray elm]

Bruh

[mellow wadi]

tf u talkin abt, all the 40 series can do it and some late 30s

[stray elm]

We where just talking about how both of us can run saves like that.

[untold ingot]

For 1 or 2 people sure.

[mellow wadi]

such as 3090+

[untold ingot]

Graphics is not the bottleneck when loading the full server. It's cpu and ram

[mellow wadi]

yeah

[untold ingot]

It's not loading the whole map though

[stray elm]

Which is what Non-dedicated is meant for, as it can only hold a max of 6-players.

[stray elm]

The caves aren't loaded on dedicated servers either, until someone enters them.
It's the same system.

[untold ingot]

It's actually not quite the same system.

[tropic crag]

Spaghetti western soundtrack themed, I need my Wild West vibes but flavored like Ark 2 😂

[rancid harness]

Bruhhhhhhhhh I know a guy that might be able to help with that xD

So far I've got phonk, rock, and spaghetti western. Any other crazy genres? ;P

[tropic crag]

Series X has no tether distance

[split dove]

almost like it's not limited old tech this time 🫣

[stray elm]

Do you know if other players still teleport to the host if they enter caves?

[tropic crag]

No idea, I don't play non-dedi

[stray elm]

Do you own a Series-X?

[tropic crag]

Yes

[stray elm]

You mind testing it roll quick?
Like, host a non-dedicated and play splitscreen, and GCM the host control into a cave?

[tropic crag]

Oh that's right, split screen

Yeah one sec

[untold ingot]

What's the ram on a series x?

[stray elm]

Seems like 10GB....

That can't be right?

[rancid harness]

10gb, 2 dedicated to system, 8 to graphics

[stray elm]

No, that's Series-S

Just checked.
Series-X has 16Gb of RAM.

[rancid harness]

Ah, that makes much more sense.

[untold ingot]

I was going to say, 10gb is not enough for a lag free nondedicated session lol

Even 16 is pushing it

[stray elm]

But modern PC's have much more then 16

Standard is 32Gb for modern gaming setups.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I still think more people have 16 than have 32

[stray elm]

More, sure.
But I said 'standard' as in stuff like pricing.

[rancid harness]

I'm still rocking 16 lol

[stray elm]

Thinking of getting 64Gb of RAM.
Do I need it? No
But it's good to future proof.
RAM is also hella cheap.

[rancid harness]

Friend of mine just got 168 or something ridiculous lol

[untold ingot]

I mean, if your motherboard can handle it. I haven't upgraded ram because my computer is too old to handle it

[stray elm]

The fuck?

That's like, never needing RAM ever again

[rancid harness]

He's now hosting our miencraft modpack servers while playing xD

[untold ingot]

That is ridiculous lol

[stray elm]

Mobo's are also pretty cheap, all things considered.

[untold ingot]

Why doesn't he just get a dedicated server lol. It's cheaper

[rancid harness]

Idk I'll ask someday 😛

[stray elm]

It's mostly the PSU, CPU, and GPU that're the wallet breakers.

[untold ingot]

If you can afford it yes.

[stray elm]

True.
Let me rephrase.
Cheap for PC standards.

[rancid harness]

Ima ride my 1080 until it can't handle low graphics settings lol

[untold ingot]

Same, I am probably going to use my 1660 until I get like a 4070

[stray elm]

Friend helped pay half of a 3060 for me, while I paid for the other half.

[rancid harness]

Just got a i9 11900k a few months ago so i should be set there for a while

[untold ingot]

I need friends like that lol

[stray elm]

Lets say I did some custom animations for them for free for a bit.

[rancid harness]

Lol I bet

[rancid harness]

What kinda animation do you do?

[tropic crag]

Ok, so via my testing, the whole rest of the map is a-ok, but the caves do sadly have a tether (no cave loading, though.) This may or may not change depending on whether it's split screen or not, because split screen is all on the same console whereas if you're playing with the other (up to 6) people in said non-dedi it may delegate some of the rendering and such to them, idk as I've never done it though

[stray elm]

3D ARK character animations

[stray elm]

Well, shit.
Thanks for doing it though

[untold ingot]

It won't change. Caves are different maps currently in ark1. It should be different in ark2 and maybe Asa though

[rancid harness]

Can I get your contact info lol? For future use.

Business and whatnot.

[untold ingot]

I need to learn how to do animations lol

[stray elm]

I don't have any business contacts, just DM's.
I only do animations for survivors, but I can attempt at creatures.
If you want samples of what I've done, watch Part-2 of NeddyTheNoodles Aberration Survival-Stories.
The few animations in there that aren't from the game are from me. Besides the last one of the mutated-Rockwell.

[rancid harness]

Will do, thanks. I'm planning on doing more music for the ark franchise, and may want custom animations for music videos and future content creation. I'll hit you up in the future.

[stray elm]

You do music for ARK?

[rancid harness]

Remixes, not official stuff.

[stray elm]

Checking out your channel.

[rancid harness]

My latest track is a remix of the main theme. Planning on doing ark 2, and more remixes for Ark 1.

Art for the remix was commissioned in layers, and then animated by me.

[sweet plover]

no rag and center in intresting

[fallow niche]

Check the bottom bullet point

[static ocean]

None

[tropic crag]

Nice multi-channel spam

And by nice I mean cringe

[rancid harness]

?

[astral token]

He spammed every channel with “none”, so cringe

[rancid harness]

oh

[tight egret]

hi

[dry lion]

hi

[winged dome]

Mayhaps

[wanton pike]

None what

[astral token]

Bro just spammed every channel

[astral token]

I can now say “ARK II when” in big & bold

REJOICE

[tropic forge]

🍿

[winged dome]

Beeg text for Beeg updates

Ark Devs:

still nothing

[astral token]

Awkward Silence

[split dove]

lol

[ripe cedar]

no way!!!

[blissful perch]

Uh oh

[winged dome]

I wonder if it works for emotes

🍻

[split dove]

mega clinks

[winged dome]

😂 well not exactly

[split dove]

[winged dome]

More like socially-distanced clinks

[iron sequoia]

[errant spire]

is there a release date?

[stray elm]

Late 2024

[errant spire]

GODDAMN 😭

[neon meteor]

Late 2024 is when they'll announce the new release date, maybe.

The whole ark 2 situation is just silly. They should have just said " there are more problems than expected" and left it at that without a release date. We've seen literally nothing of ark 2 so it's fair to assume that we're still very early in development. No need to set a date at that point.

Especially now that they aren't pairing it with ASA anymore.

[winged dome]

Not pairing it with Asc was due to community backlash

[hollow sable]

how

[winged dome]

Think big

Post big

[hollow sable]

the power

doesnt wprk in dms tho

i wonder why

[winged dome]

I think it's a permission thing for Discord Servers

[split dove]

could be

[hazy elm]

Ark 2 is a lie

definitely not going to be prim only no way hose say

think horizon zero dawn meets ark meets prim ark

that is ark 2

[untold ingot]

Hose say?

[winged dome]

An attempt was made

[untold ingot]

I am not sure what the attempt was tbh

[mint swan]

Is Ark2 Mobile a actual thing or a troll? It’s just confusing because half the mobile players saying it was a April fools joke and that the twitter page that posted about it isn’t even followed by Ark or ArkMobile twitter pages. Other half arguing it’s real and everyone’s confused.

[winged dome]

No official announcement of Ark2 Mobile. Esp seeing as Ark2 itself isn't even close to release yet

[mint swan]

Damn thought it might be fake. The mobile players got so excited the “ARK2 news” twitter page got 40k followers over night lol

[untold ingot]

I think Asa is getting a mobile port

[hazy elm]

and it'll have a pay to win cash shop

$100k to max out your dino gems each season

[untold ingot]

It's mobile. Mobile is always ptw

[mint swan]

e\

[untold totem]

They are not SurviveTheARK aka the official Twitter account of ARK: Survival Evolved

If they are not in the #766826918803800074, they ain't official

[grizzled belfry]

Yep, considering how well ASE performs, the wonderful job WC is doing with informing the customers, the ever so on schedule Ark II, the graceful handling of the ASA cutover... Ongoing performance has already guided WC's future.

[blissful perch]

You can just tell us you’re a fan btw

[grizzled belfry]

10,00 plus hours.

missed a zero

[mystic meadow]

BIG DUMB. TAKE MY TAPS AWAY

[chrome fern]

Studio Wildcard tries to make a bundle that wont piss everyone off challenge impossible

[tropic crag]

What happened here

[winged dome]

Nothing of note

[mighty lion]

There's been speculation because of job postings by Snail games ( yes we snoop that hard). Nothing confirmed yet

[untold ingot]

Asa is getting a mobile port

Same as the switch version

[rose knot]

Hi

[worldly garden]

People have got to learn to slow down and read stuff properly. The ARK2News Twitter never said anything about ARK 2 mobile, they posted about the ARK mobile being revamped. Exactly what the official roadmap says. There was nothing "fake" posted at all.

[thick moat]

crazy 😂

[tropic crag]

Ark players? Reading comprehension? Are you kidding?

[mint swan]

Says the one who called everyone braindead for believing a cc despite it being legit. April fools am I right?

[blissful perch]

I mean…he did read it lol

[mint swan]

Trueee, but he also said that if we were to read it we would clearly see it was an April fool’s…he didn’t have the reading comprehension part down

[blissful perch]

Just want to be fair lol 😂. I had some folks in this chat saying “no tek” meant no lightpets snowowls or anything that was “influenced by element”

We all read the same thing but good lord did we get different conclusions

[mint swan]

I’d find it hard to believe lightpets, snow owls, etc wouldn’t be around. Regardless, I like hearing everyone’s different conclusions, interesting to hear or see them all

[winged dome]

Oh look, it this

If you don't like it so much, why do you keep bringing it back up? Just move on 😂

[mint swan]

As I’ve said before, he will never be able to live it down

Can’t just let someone get away with insulting people repeatedly for “being wrong”

[winged dome]

The empty words of a stranger do little to nothing to actually reaching people where it matters - but you do you I guess

Perhaps I should follow my own advice and stick to what I do best. After all, pictures are worth a thousand words

🍻

[wanton pike]

Is this still ark 2 related? I am lost

[blissful perch]

This was

[winged dome]

Smile and nod.
We tend to derail quickly and often here

[wanton pike]

Lol

Do you guys think that the creatures from the creature votes will make a return in ark 2 aswel?

[vague bolt]

I honestly believe that there would be creatures from past creature votes coming to ARK 2, I mean, it's just a swig of "hope" but I would not be surprised that: if a creature vote is amazing enough, it could honestly stand a chance to be visually and functionally updated for ARK 2 😊

[winged dome]

Definitely possible, but I'm leaning towards unlikely. Ark2 has so much potential for new xenofauna, I'm actually expecting a bit of a decrease in realistic dino numbers. A lot of redundant creatures being repurposed and merged together

Plus, all the Ark1 paid DLCs brought fantastical creatures which kinda makes me think the devs preferred adding those over more realistic creatures like the ones added in free maps or votes

[blissful perch]

I’m suspecting we’ll see creature voted creatures substitute out for some that WC added

OR perhaps WC’s approach for parallel development of ASA and ark 2 means that a creature can be considered as solely for one or the other game. With that model it’s possible ark 2 uses few to none of ark 1’s fantasy roster in order to bring Arat creatures to the forefront

[tropic forge]

🍿

[rose bluff]

Suggestion for A2 or ASA, sleeping in a bed at night should work like Valheim/Minecraft and skip the night. I know it’s less of an issue on the main Ark platforms, but night gamma on Switch is awful and they won’t add that if main Ark isn’t doing it. Also, building could be made easier by adding another Valheim feature and making it so that pieces can be rotated to snap, as sloped pieces are always an utter pain.

[blissful perch]

How would you propose this work on a multiplayer server?

[winged dome]

Sleep to skip makes sense for SP or small Unofficials (maybe a percentage of players to skip?) but wouldn't work well in larger servers or if there is more day/night mechanical differences (Megalosaurus, Troodon, ect)

[blissful perch]

The biggest issue imo is that so much of ark’s content revolves around the world being simulated over time…so sleeping to circumnavigate that seems a bit cheesy

[winged dome]

A bit yeah, but most of that stuff is just waiting with extra steps. Metal smelting, babies growing, ect

[blissful perch]

A rex near your base at night just being put into stasis seems a bit cheese lol

[winged dome]

Oh yeah, I was just thinking AI 😂
Well, it'll still be there in the morning

But Valheim's building system is 👌

Simple, easy to get creative and add a ton of detail in builds if desired

Plus I prefer the 'higher weight, smaller cost' building style. Shouldn't need 80-120 resources for one foundation imo

[blissful perch]

Agree there. The weight costs per unit of building are so silly high

[winged dome]

Valheim is like 2 wood per tile piece, you can easily make a starter base in 2-3 trees whereas Ark requires an entire forest

[rancid harness]

I mean needing a forest is a little more realistic for the volume lol

[winged dome]

I suppose, but explain 50 ingots for a sword then 😂

[raven vessel]

Only in the beginning stages of the game. The advanced grinder will be able to make tens of thousands of foundations in a day if needed on the current system.

[blissful perch]

You just used an example of a slot based structure, which ignores weight…

[potent hull]

were ark news shifter we all no you got it

lol

[short fulcrum]

This already exists in ark mobile, so I don't see why it can't be added to pc
you can sleep 4 hours in a sleeping bag, 7 hour in a regular bed and 9 hours in a bunk bed/tek sleeping pod

[blissful perch]

You lost me at “it’s in ark mobile”. Ark mobile is at best a shadow of what ark actually is

[short fulcrum]

I know ark mobile is shit
But it has some pretty decent features like battlements and toxicant arrows
And dungeons are really fun

[untold ingot]

Have you played the pc version?

[short fulcrum]

Not yet, I can't wait until I can finally afford a pc
But i literally know nearly everything about ark from watching a least 3 play thoughs of every map on YouTube

[formal ember]

I have a question, is ark 2 limited to series x/s for xbox

[short fulcrum]

Yes
Ark 2 will only be for next gen consoles

[astral token]

And PC

[formal ember]

Ty for the inf9

Info*

[short fulcrum]

No problem

[short fulcrum]

The best part is ark 2 dino armor might be fully customizable

[winged dome]

Sounds like customizable saddles - nice!

[tropic forge]

"Here's a first look at what "Remaster" means in ARK Survival Ascended:" hope they have a "lot" more done than that little thing. 3 more months

[winged dome]

Ngl, I'm going to have nightmares about that Supply Drop scuttling after me on its creepy legs

[astral token]

ASA: the supply drops strikes back!

[winged dome]

Waking up in a cold sweat, seeing the silhouette of Scuttles the Supply Drop trying to gift you a Medium Crop Plot blueprint and a Water Jar

[astral token]

Fr

[winged dome]

Before pouncing like a spider going for the jugular

[astral token]

Well it’s tigers and panthers which go for the jugular but yes 🤣

[verbal wind]

if you're extra good, you can get a metal window bp

[untold ingot]

I build metal windows in my thatch walls, because I am pro

The carno saddle looks epic though

[winged dome]

It does

I wonder how many customizable 'slots' it has

[potent hull]

new look for the drops dos look good like from Mass Effect3 Geth ship

[stray elm]

It looks like what the URE tek is suppose to look like.

If you look in the caves, or the enforcers, you can see that organic/inorganic like blend

[proven pond]

carnatorus has shot horns now for ark 2

[ripe marsh]

It could be sexual dimorphism ( appearance based on sex ) or the artist simply over exaggerated

[wanton pike]

All creatures are over exaggerated

[verbal wind]

concept art is very rarely taken 1 to 1 into the final product

if ever

[short fulcrum]

I don't think the horns are shorter
It's just the angle that makes them look shorter

[worldly garden]

they definitely are shorter, I mean yes it's a different angle, but it's not only the length that's different, they look more flat at the sides than rounded. Comparing both images side by side helps to see the difference.

[ripe marsh]

I'm aware, I was referring to how smaller Carno's horns are compared to the concept art

[blissful perch]

I’m curious if this concept art confirms there’s one saddle visual or if the module crafting can also apply to saddles

[split dove]

i'm guessing we're also getting module crafting on saddles, with that tek scrap rex saddle upgrade on the standard ark 2 rex saddle leak from some time ago

[winged dome]

The drawing in the bottom left seems to point out specific areas - not sure if just artistic flavor, or areas where saddles can be customized. Looks like head, neck straps, saddle seat, saddle rear, chest coverings, and legs

Maybe the two-seater is a customization option 🤔

I also really dig the flair and ornamentation of the saddle overall

[astral token]

I like the vibe but if it’s modular I’d remove the fewther backrest

[split dove]

the other modular stuff also had text on smaller sketches as well, so it might be part of the customizable modular crafting tree

[astral token]

Makes the carno look like a big chicken

[winged dome]

Representing the Blue Chicken racing squad 😂

[astral token]

Fr

[blissful perch]

I’m also not sold on the flag part

[south mortar]

I like the more primitive vibe of the saddle, but I think it is a bit exaggerated. Hopefully it’s gonna be customizable like they’re promising ark 2 stuff will be.

[hidden fable]

is wildcard still planning to charge money for the unreal 5 update?

[blissful perch]

There is no UE5 update so idk what you’re asking about

Unless you mean the one that got cancelled?

[hidden fable]

ark survival ascended or what ever

[blissful perch]

Ah the remaster. Yea that’s gonna cost money

[hidden fable]

damn everyone is gonna hate them after that lmao

[south mortar]

Yes, they’re charging. It’s been a quite controversial topic for the past month 😂

[hidden fable]

aint no way im paying for a game I already bought

[blissful perch]

The news is already out and the PR already happened though 😂

[hidden fable]

everyone should just boycott it till they make it free

[south mortar]

Where have you been for the past month? 😂

[hidden fable]

other games/ under ar ock

[winged dome]

They're not going to make it free any time soon

[south mortar]

Game development costs money. My biggest problem with it is the fact that they’re shutting down official servers as soon as the new version launches.

[hidden fable]

yea but its bad that they are gonna charge for a remaster when they are planning to release ark 2 very soon

[south mortar]

They’re not even giving us time to migrate to the new version.

[winged dome]

'Very soon' meaning a year and a half away?

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 is an entirely different game. The remaster is to appease folks who dislike the premise of ark 2

[winged dome]

at best

[south mortar]

Ark 2 will be late 2024 or later

[hidden fable]

oh shit really I am watching a video that said later this year

[south mortar]

And I’m actually more excited about the remaster then ark 2.

[winged dome]

Step 1: Stop watching YouTube for news 😂

[hidden fable]

it was a clip in the video of one of the people who work at snail or wildcard idk which talking

[winged dome]

See Step 1

[blissful perch]

The old pax video?

[hidden fable]

no its 3 weeks ago idk its probably a old clip though

[blissful perch]

Mm I doubt it’s real if it’s three weeks old. I think that’s after the weekend the crunch that revealed ASA came out

[south mortar]

Well ASA has been announced 4 weeks ago or 5

So the video was already outdated 😂

[blissful perch]

Right so no shot WC or snail would say ark 2 comes out this year AFTER that point

[hidden fable]

oh idk im not really up to date on everything

[winged dome]

This is obvious

[hidden fable]

ok?

[blissful perch]

Being out of date isn’t a crime 😂

[south mortar]

I’m totally fine with them charging for the new game even though I might not buy it right away (im saving for a new pc). But they werent very wise with the proposed business model, then they changed it and most people think it got worse.

If at least they had show some pictures or a video that would help

[blissful perch]

The model of “we’ll just make ark 1 UE5 in an update” was a bit of pure lunacy lol

[hidden fable]

Im fine with charging for a new game but its kinda scummy to release a remaster and immedietly shut down all official servers

"remaster" that is the same game

[blissful perch]

Technically it’s not immediate. They are giving us what? 6 months notice?

[south mortar]

But right now all we have is a “you’re gonna have to pay again for the same game and trust us, it’s better”

[hidden fable]

I mean immediately after the remaster is released

[winged dome]

Is it scummy? Old Ark isn't going to be updated or fixable with the old engine with so many issues. If diehard PvP abusers players want to keep that style then Unofficials are still an option. Doesn't make sense for WC to continue to support an abandoned platform over the upgrade

[south mortar]

It was 5 from the announcement. Still, 5 months isnt too long for ark and i’m probably not gonna be able to migrate immediately, so I think they should keep the servers for a little while while people migrate

[hidden fable]

I dont care about any pvp abuse or what not just mad they are shutting down servers and charging for the same game

[winged dome]

Unofficials are still available to play though

[south mortar]

It’s not about supporting the old product, but officials were always the safe way to play. Unofficials can close at any point besides having crazy rules.

[blissful perch]

What do you mean migrate?

[winged dome]

Official servers are a small part of the overall player base, and cost WC the most money by hosting those servers

[south mortar]

People trusted WC to keep their stuff.

[blissful perch]

To be accurate it’s “minority”

[winged dome]

Shh, semantics 😂

[south mortar]

I get that keeping servers running isnt cheat and I expected them to close at some point

[split dove]

Despite ASE Officials representing the minority of players on ARK, it’s an invested and passionate group with attachments to their bases, tames, and characters, and seeing that go away can’t be easy.

[winged dome]

I dunno, easy for me 😂

[south mortar]

But I always imagined that after ark 2 released they would give us a 1 year warning at least to migrate to the new game

[blissful perch]

I’m still not sure what this migrate thing is

[south mortar]

And maybe keep 1 server for each map running for those who prefer the original game

[blissful perch]

There’s NO data going between ark 1 to ASA or ark 2

[south mortar]

They giving us a 5 month earning out of the blue to replace them with server for an updated version of the same game and not even give any time for those who cannot get the game right away is kinda insulting, tbh

[winged dome]

I think he means a period where both versions have Officials running to see which they prefer? Right?

[south mortar]

I may not be able to buy the new version right away.

So I would keep playing the current version until I can.

And think about whether it was worth it starting over or if I would prefer to keep playing the current one.

Also, I don’t want to play on the island. Valguero and Lost Island won’t release till later.

[winged dome]

Well, the save data for official servers should be available for download closer to Asc launch - can save your server and host it through Unofficial or SP

[south mortar]

If it was easy like that for me to host a game I wouldn’t be playing official to begin with. I play official to play with a friend.

[blissful perch]

Sounds to me like what you want is a few month break from ark until more ASA content is out 🤷‍♂️. No crime there

[winged dome]

If you play at the same times, hosting a non-Dedicated session is easy and free

[worldly garden]

Considering they said "We look forward to seeing what players do with the arsenal options!" I suspect that means the saddle visual is customisable.

[winged dome]

But if you want timers to tick while offline then that gets a bit more involved

[blissful perch]

I assume paint and the like, but I’m curious what if any material differences there could be. If materials vary I’d kinda prefer to have fewer cosmetic module changes so I can visually see what saddle type someone is using

[south mortar]

I’m already thinking of trying to host a server locally, been running some tests, but it’s still not gonna be the same thing. I can’t keep the server running 24/7 so my friend can join at any moment, and none of us can afford a hosted server

[split dove]

my guess is alongside that leaked tek scrap rex saddle is that there's a base armour set/look wich you can add the modules onto. and with the tek scrap one it was visually clear that it was component based crafted with tek scrap on top of the standard saddle

[winged dome]

Then I'd suggest looking at an Unofficial cluster. There are plenty that advertise no wipes, and the bigger the better in terms of overall server longevity. Best chances they don't shut down with Asc launching

[south mortar]

That’s the thing, we don’t aleays play at the same time. And non dedicated has many issues, specially with teleporting people to caves when you get near them.

I’m working on customizing a server with our preferences - primitive, quite hard but fair and balanced - but still, it’s not the same thing, and it’s a shame that they did it like that.

I am excited about ASA, more then ark 2, I just think the way it was announced and their decisions were bad.

And also, show us something visual to make us excited.

One month later and the only visual thing we have is the new lootbox 😂

[blissful perch]

I’m really more interested in any balance changes made to ASA and what they choose to do for the DLC…since I suspect that’ll reflect into ark 2 somehow

[south mortar]

Oh damn, hopefully they’ll rebalance it. But I’m not holding my breath.

I think that the whole way dinos work on ark 1 make it impossible.

And I don’t think they’ll change it for ASA. Maybe ark 2

[winged dome]

If they actually cap mutations properly ...

[south mortar]

Now that would be great 👍🏻

[mint swan]

Now that’ll be an improvement if I’ve ever seen one

[winged dome]

I'm fine for getting random colors after cap, but stats should be hard clamped to 20/20

[mint swan]

I agree. It’s ridiculous the stats that are on servers nowadays

[desert swallow]

wouldn't it be better to come up with a different mutation system all together other than 20/20

maybe an upgrade tree, like I've seen mentioned here before

But there is the other side to the argument and that is if you give infinite mutations it keeps people playing infinately.

[winged dome]

For Ark2, yeah I'd prefer a tree or something as a total overhaul. But for Ark Asc its probably going to be pretty similar to current mechanics (but hopefully with a functioning cap)

[split dove]

this is my take on a concept of dino skill trees, seeing as we/survivors are confirmed to get skill trees

[chrome fern]

Maybe the tek buggy will actually function now

[split dove]

it would be a less buggy buggy for sure

[chrome fern]

Me just raiding bases with it cause it takes zero damage to turrets

truly a great thing

[blissful perch]

Permission to have an actual beer with the boys if that happens? It would be watch party time for sure as chat erupts into chaos

Probably on the scale of the flier nerf, and just as good if not better for the long term health of ark’s balance. And a wonderful sign for ark 2

[winged dome]

Granted 🍻

[potent hull]

no

[wintry cape]

Some level of maintenance is required to keep official servers running; Hardware and admins. It's likely that the same hardware and the same admins will be the best people for the job for maintaining and administrating the Ark 1.5 official servers

[untold ingot]

They said they are using new hardware

[thick moat]

they could just take off a bunch of servers and leave some open...

(basically legacy)

[blissful perch]

You have to rip the bandaid off at some point

[thick moat]

huh

too dumb to understand what u mean

[tropic crag]

It's ok, a lot of peeps here are

[split dove]

he's gonna need 3 business days to understand that one

[thick moat]

im not that clueless cmon

ik what he means exactly but idk in what way lmfao

(if that even makes sense)

[tropic crag]

(It doesn't)

[thick moat]

in my mind it does >:(

[tropic crag]

I'm not even gonna say it

[thick moat]

k

[tropic forge]

🍿

[short fulcrum]

[fallow seal]

Infinite mutations would ruin the pvp side of the game tho, imagine like pts that can one bite someone out of capped flak

[short fulcrum]

The best solution is to cap mutations for ONLY pvp
So then pvp players don't have to worry about mega tribes with max stat creatures
And pve players can still breed super mutated dinos if they want

[blissful perch]

PvE capped lines are also stupid broken, don’t get it twisted

[split dove]

it's bad for the game balance in general when you can destroy everything like they are ants

[blissful perch]

Much like the flier nerf (which was 👌🏼) PvE needs balance

[short fulcrum]

Yeah but not everyone will agree with that
breeding played a big part in keeping pve players interested in the game
And If they do cap it on official pvp and pve, there should definitely be an option for unofficial/singleplayer in the settings to turn off the mutation cap

[short fulcrum]

And then the maewing got added lol

[mint swan]

Flier nerf was one of the best changes made ❤️

[mint swan]

Agreed. PVE should still be “difficult”, it’s a survival game at the end of the day. Without a cap, takes away from the game (at least imo)

[blissful perch]

Settings and mods should enable any sort of gameplay, on that we agree

The flier nerf was pretty healthy for the game even with the maewing. Tbh mutation hard caps would probably be the most healthy thing for PvE since that nerf

[mint swan]

I can acknowledge that the ridiculous breeding/stat mutations kept a lot of PVE players playing. My solution to that would be to add more color options and/or regions possible. This is with the assumption that mutations are being kept to color & stats as they work now

[short fulcrum]

I agree the flyer nerf was a good thing
On mobile, I can cross the entire map in 2 minutes on my max speed pteradon which is kinda broken

[astral token]

Imagine not having max speed griffins

I actually had a breeding pair of mutated eerie griffins, very

[short fulcrum]

Although I am hoping in ASA they slightly buff flyers or slightly nerf the maewing
And wildcard please DO NOT add maewings to the island
I'll screw up the gameplay and the lore

[scarlet lintel]

Maewing's entire gliding mechanic is just wierd...

[astral token]

Not really screw up the lore I guess

[scarlet lintel]

It doesen't loose nearly as much height as the drake yet it goes way faster

[short fulcrum]

I never really bother with griffins
Mobile makes taming and breeding them a pain

[scarlet lintel]

Tbf it doesen't exactly have the stats of one and has trouble gaining height through other means but the speed is absurd

[short fulcrum]

Yes it does

[astral token]

They’re worth it on both platforms, don’t be lazy

SMH

[astral token]

@stray elm is this true?

[short fulcrum]

I'm not lazy
I just spend all my time doing other stuff, like running dungeons to collect all the tek blueprints

[astral token]

Just get a griffin it’s worth it

And also sorry I was joking lol didn’t mean to insult u

[short fulcrum]

The island map is full of mostly creatures based on rl creatures and dinosaurs (aside from the unicorn and lio) we don't need mommy milkers flying around
Maewings were also specifically created on genesis ship, so it screws up that lore
And also if maewings were on the island why the fuck did rockwell and helena use argentavis to get around and not a flying platypus?

[blissful perch]

The lio is real, it’s just got a bit of a meme reference baked in lol

[short fulcrum]

I always typically tame a griffin once I get a kibble processor
But never end up using them because the dive is laggy for me

[blissful perch]

I’m also assuming each map comes out with only the native creatures on ASA…seems weird to do otherwise

[astral token]

The ARKs and the genesis ship share their creature database right?

[blissful perch]

The griffin may be my least favorite creature in the entirety of ark. The mythology fantasy creature sticks out like such a sore thumb

[short fulcrum]

Yeah I know it's a real creature
But the whole magical part isn't

[blissful perch]

In theory, yes

But the lore is a little wonky about why certain arks chose certain creatures out of the library

[short fulcrum]

I think the maewing was exclusively made on the gen ship

[astral token]

Yeaa

So theoretically any ARK can have any creature

[split dove]

we better relive the old days on island and not get meawings and such untill their respective map is out itself

[short fulcrum]

I might be wrong though
But I'm 99% sure

[astral token]

The overseer just decides what to do

[blissful perch]

Yea but game design wise that’s too dumb to do

[astral token]

Exclusively made? Doubt it

That much I agree

[split dove]

the share button had some problems when rockwell showed up, so blame rockwell as always

[blissful perch]

What if griffins accidentally don’t come back

Sry, just dreaming

[short fulcrum]

What worrys me is that someone said something about ASA not having maewings on launch
And dollie replied with they would be considering making some QOL changes

[split dove]

be happy they're coming back as some of the last creatures alongside the free maps

[blissful perch]

I fully expect a massive balance pass when ASA drops

Also…ASA won’t have Gen 2 at launch. So no maewings is pretty much certain (thank god)

[split dove]

only thing i'm gonna miss from gen 2 is gonna be the egg incubator

makes breeding somewhat easier

[blissful perch]

If mutations are capped maybe it won’t be so bad Flobs XD

[short fulcrum]

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they made that a base game item

[split dove]

i'd hang myself if mutations aren't changed and nothing was balanced normally

[blissful perch]

I’d join

[split dove]

iirc mutations were never meant to get to this stage right? they even added the lvl cap to official bc of it. let's hope they're trying to make a functioning cap this time without those lvl only caps

[astral token]

Meanwhile Dino Storage users

[south lance]

have they announced any major changes to breeding tho

in the last 2 weeks since ive been absent from asa news

[blissful perch]

Nope. Haven’t really mentioned any balance news afaik

[blissful perch]

The issue was that they found the issue and couldn’t fix it before people already sunk hundreds of hours into it

[split dove]

with a clean slate in ASA they should make the cap actually functional, and balance everything with that maxed 20/20 as a endgame

less 🧀 plz

[south lance]

with a functional mutation cap the final dino level max will be like 320 effectively no?

225 on tame, 20 mutations for 40 levels, and the xp leveling beyond that

[split dove]

genesis dinos can get 88 max lvls after tame/breeding

[south lance]

right

but far from 400 even

265+71 to 336 and 265+88 for 353

[astral token]

275+88=363 ig

[south lance]

whered 275 come from

[astral token]

Oh 20 mutations mb