ark-2

[south lance]

world bosses would include a lot

originally we were talking about them in relation to events

[blissful perch]

Alphas imo serve a great role in dens

[south lance]

thats kinda my idea with them being forced to stay near eggs

[blissful perch]

Don’t make me scroll up. Charlie was saying he disliked arenas and wanted all boss fights to occur in the open world

[south lance]

yeah but it wasnt just charlie talking either

[blissful perch]

I read the discussion and at no point was it brought up that the topic changed to minibosses

[south lance]

the first point i think was paddy talking about pve needing to make forts to protect the server against world bosses

[south lance]

if cheese is a major issue, thats the main place i see it playing out as

[lime forge]

I feel that’s incredibly closed minded thinking to believe that no matter what something will be cheesable when the imagination is the limit during the development process and mechanics are the limit in gameplay.

[south lance]

you yourself said cheese isnt that bad if its an event thing

but yes, your original point was just that its cheesable

[blissful perch]

That same logic applies to players, who are often able to exploit a system regardless of how hard you try to cheese proof it

The more elements you enable, the more player freedom can lead to different than intended outcomes

[south lance]

if cheese means tossing arrows at a rex for 4 hours im fine eith it

[blissful perch]

Which is fine most of the time, but for bosses it feels very lame

[south lance]

youll get fucked over by another player in that time

so i still think its manageable

[blissful perch]

For people who dislike ark 1 boss cheese I’m surprised it’s suddenly ok in a hypothetical ark 2 boss

[south lance]

at most ill concede that wc is not going to manage it properly

[blissful perch]

Because it’s a nearly impossible ask

[split dove]

Ark players am i right?

[lime forge]

I concede nothing. I feel if handled properly they’re fantastic ideas that would make great gameplay.

[south lance]

assuming everything is going to end up being cheesed can be applied to creature AI in general

[blissful perch]

You haven’t conceded fireballs either. I don’t need you to concede

[mint swan]

Ark 3 when

[south lance]

as well as aratai

[lime forge]

Yeah you do. It’s the debate rules.

You score no points.

[south lance]

you can start assuming the whole game will end up with the same speedrunable capabilities

[blissful perch]

It’s one thing to know cheese can happen. It’s another to invite it on a silver platter

[lime forge]

You do not pass go. You do not collect 200$

[south lance]

the whole game invites cheese

the point is to do as little as possible for maximum effect

[blissful perch]

Yes, so take measures to stop it

[south lance]

thats why traps exist, why people kill dragons with level 200 deinons, etc

[lime forge]

Ya know, I hear few and far between, any ideas you pose for actual gameplay besides “mutations bad”

[blissful perch]

You chose to ignore my ideas then

[south lance]

you can again use your point about players inevitably finding ways to cheese as a counter here again

[lime forge]

False.

[south lance]

theres no point to balancing, theyll just figure a way around it

[blissful perch]

You restrict the number of elements to balance -> it’s easier to balance

It’s an extremely simple design concept

[south lance]

theres never going to be that few elements that its actually manageable

otherwise it stops being a survival sandbox

[lime forge]

Doing so is also restricting content

[blissful perch]

Which is fine in specific curated conditions

[lime forge]

If I wanted my game restricted into perfect balance I’d play Atari Pong

[south lance]

the game at its core isnt meant to be curated

or specific

[blissful perch]

Right. So remove all bosses and missions from ark 2 because those have specific objectives according to that logic

[south lance]

youre not given a campaign to follow, if you were it wouldnt be anything like ark1

[blissful perch]

How on earth does wanting boss arenas translate to a campaign

[south lance]

most missions arent even done for fun so that does kinda apply lol

[lime forge]

Why can’t we have both? Arenas and open world events?

[blissful perch]

There’s gonna BE both

[south lance]

the point is that cheesabiity potential doesnt mean that it cant be made into something desirable

[blissful perch]

Just put the boss fights in the arenas and the miniboss ones in events

[blissful perch]

Nobody argued that. But open world bosses invite so much cheese and have so MANY problems they simply aren’t worth it

[lime forge]

You’re getting a sandwich for that one too

[split dove]

🥪 🪓

[lime forge]

So, you take measures to stop it.

[south lance]

i think you just underestimate balance options

[blissful perch]

You overestimate wildcard and underestimate players

[south lance]

i do overestimate wildcard

players, maybe

if you for example remove bleed, dragon isnt really cheesable anymore

not in a way that differs from how youre normally supposed to do it

[blissful perch]

Thank you for making a point in favor of boss arenas

[south lance]

the point doesnt really change that though

[lime forge]

Brood can be cheesed and she’s in an arena.

[south lance]

my point is that cheese is overestimated

we consciously add so much chees potential that its hard to imagine what something looks like without it

ofc, its generally impossible to consider every possible method of cheese in the game before implementation

[lime forge]

Arenas don’t remove the potential for cheese any more than open world bosses add the potential. Either way it’s as you said. Take measures to stop it.

[south lance]

but that doesnt mean its literally impossible to handle

[blissful perch]

Arenas restrict whatever WC thinks will exploit a boss. It IS a countermeasure

That’s why they originally moved brood to an arena in the first place

[south lance]

lets assume this point for instance, you can just modify the dino to take next to no projectile damage.

what then

[lime forge]

The issue with brood was that players new exactly where, and exactly when the spawn happened and they were able to trap and farm her. Arena wasn’t the only possible step they could have taken to prevent that, it’s just the step they chose to take.

[blissful perch]

You’re asking me to invent cheese for a feature that doesn’t exist, but I’m sure people can use terrain traps or find other means of not using intended strats

There’s simply too many elements in the open sandbox environment to avoid unintended and unfun outcomes in a boss fight

I imagine dens are actually going to be curated PvE arena miniboss fights

[lime forge]

I really don’t see how that translates to it not being fun at all.

Even if the boss were to spawn into a spot that it could be cheesed sometimes.

[blissful perch]

I find low effort cheese to be non-entertaining. But that’s true some folks may enjoy that

[south lance]

i dont want people to expend 0 effort on these things unless is a mecessary end game item. Actually, at this point the devs have already proven they suck at balancing lol

[blissful perch]

The boss in the open world is gonna have to be fixed spawn like the titans btw. Otherwise wc is gonna get flamed senseless when people lose their bases

[lime forge]

Events should in no way, shape, or form be fixed and player activated like the titans.

[blissful perch]

Regular events imo have nothing to do with this discussion

[lime forge]

Idk why that’s replied to that comment btw

[south lance]

i mean players literally tame and use titans to do what theyd normally would do in the worst case scenario of them being open world

and that hasnt really made pvp unbearable

[lime forge]

Everything me and pray discussed was open world events.

[south lance]

but the game is so fucked up with balance that i dont know how to actually translate this into something applicable

[blissful perch]

That’s a dangerously hot take given how many folks said titans helped create and enforce cave meta alongside cryos

[blissful perch]

Right, but boss fights specifically not being open world is not the same as “no open world events”

Open world events should feel optional to nearby players as said in the founders note

[south lance]

iirc there was a lot more than just titans that lead to cave meta

[blissful perch]

Not “oh welp a boss spawned next to my base, guess it’s gone”

[mint sleet]

based on the info, seems like we are gonna get conan exiles 2

[south lance]

im not entirely sure what happened here tho

[lime forge]

You honestly can’t think of a single method of stopping that as a dev with the equivalent power of a god at your finger tips?

[blissful perch]

I can. It’s called a boss arena

[lime forge]

So limited.

[blissful perch]

Otherwise I have no idea how to stop players from freely using infinite tames gear and structures to do weird unintended things with a boss

[lime forge]

Like jump on a rock with a kangaroo and a shotgun lol

[blissful perch]

Don’t get it twisted: arenas don’t fix squat if they themselves aren’t carefully thought out and balanced

[south lance]

it is generally easier to handle cheese in the boss arena, i dont think i can argue that its harder to cheese open world

i just dont think its insurmountable

[blissful perch]

I think it’s currently not possible to manage it. Maybe a miracle will happen, but I’m not holding my breath

[lime forge]

That really goes both ways. Dismissing either idea as implausible or downright impossible is just silly.

[south lance]

it comes down to pragmatism ig

cause if actually given the option and being as most realistic as possible, this wouldnt work, because the devs wont be going back and fixing cheese

and the same applies to most world event ideas

and the same applies to most concepts talked about here in general

[blissful perch]

It’s the impact of said cheese and how much it damages the gameplay that matters

People cheese tame almost everything in ark 1. Is that something WC wants to see repeated in ark 2? I sense not given how the new tames have been progressively harder to trap

[south lance]

really youre just stuck with somrthing that mimics beginner servers but with more rpg like mechanics and a slightly more advanced creature AI system because something sufficiently advanced would be too difficult to balance and too taxing on servers

[south lance]

theyll probably try to make it harder, but theres so many surrounding issues with tames that this alone may be almost irrelevant in ark2 as it is in ark1

[blissful perch]

You can absolutely add random things like in Skyrim etc and just watch the weirdness happen. But since ark is MP and PvP cheese directly can alter other people’s fun, which is where I tend to get concerned

[south lance]

taming is a nearly irrelevant mechanic because of breeding for example, and theres no mention of any changes to breeding

[split dove]

oh wow, it's not like almost all survival games share the same gameplay type and can have similar features 🤣
New combat for players will be a good change from the ''unga bunga i spam left click'' style

[south lance]

so its very possible we see a half assed rebalance of mutation system

and level caps

and other things

[blissful perch]

Yep. Which is why a boss arena offering more restrictions is where I see the potential to limit some of that and make something more interesting

[south lance]

especially if the devs want to let players mod the experience themselves and use that as a crutch for balance, since thatd be pretty practical

like minecraft base game is terrible, but community content is why its the most popular game ever besides some stupid mobile shit

that might be the easiest way to get ark2 successful too

[blissful perch]

many people play vanilla minecraft

And even minecraft doesn’t have a normal open world boss fight. The end dragon fight is in the minecraft equivalent of an arena

[south lance]

yeah but i cant imagine its because the vanilla survival experience is actually that great, and theres so much cheese that people might barely consider cheese now just because of how common it is

[blissful perch]

Minecraft isn’t a survival game tho. It’s a sandbox

It drops the survival game hunger water etc mechanics and instead is about exploring and creating

Almost no minecraft PvP occurs on vanilla either. It’s almost entirely through modded and structured gamemodes

[south lance]

fair enough

[blissful perch]

I’ve offered said ideas to perhaps make ark 2 PvP more enjoyable for folks. Since it clearly worked for the most sold game of all time

[south lance]

yeah, same :P

even if ark is supposed to be survival, most people in the end treat it as a special form of pvp or breeding/building sim

does sandbox pvp count as survival?

[blissful perch]

The idea that minecraft, a game known for being insanely open and sandboxy, couldn’t figure out how to handle the end dragon without an arena…idk it just tells me it’s a risky proposition at best

[south lance]

you could argue it does or doesnt

[blissful perch]

Yes, because imo the RPG aspects dominate ark 1

[astral token]

See the thing about any open world boss is

It's so easily grief-able

[south lance]

i think it might just be more to do with boss arena being the easiest form to manage

[blissful perch]

The breeding nonsense is no different from Pokémon or any other RPG where you spend tons of times optimizing your stats

[south lance]

yes, arena is very practical, and you can easily make it enjoyable

[blissful perch]

The issue is that a multiplayer survival game usually doesn’t offer world scaling (without wipes anyway), but an RPG often does

[south lance]

i dont think its better, because it reduces the amount of concern i could have about my survival ability as compared to an open world boss, which ultimately is my ideal for survival

[blissful perch]

I’d like to see the RPG elements heavily scaled back to reflect the survival game nature of ark 2. The environment should be a threat always, not for a brief period until you get AC units and an egg

[south lance]

to this extent it might actually be fine to have bosses that you can lead around to destroy other bases, in pvp at least

[blissful perch]

I think that eventually people will find solutions that work for multiplayer open world boss fights in a game like ark. But I don’t see it happening in 2023-2024

[south lance]

itll be a mod that figures it out

in fact, probably an ark2 mod

unless someone in mc did it already

[blissful perch]

There’s open world boss fights in ark 1 modded now. And they’re controversial

[south lance]

yeah but ark1 mods are kinda meh

[blissful perch]

Because they can spawn anywhere and just oof your base 😂

[south lance]

yeah theres not really much control there

its just dumped as any sort of random dino

you need more control to implement this

[blissful perch]

Yep. And imo an arena is just another layer of control that can help

You can make the arena huge btw: it doesn’t have to be a tiny brood arena

But the mere fact that tames building and player counts are restricted solves a lot of problems “before they’re thought of” by players

Not to say open world boss fights aren’t a cool idea…because they are a cool idea. But I just can’t imagine they’d play as intended or be as fun as conceived

[south lance]

my ultimate counter is that ark style survival games are incredibly hard to implement, so something being hard to implement should be a welcome challenge :P

[blissful perch]

You mean design? Implement usually occurs to a specific thing being code feasible 😅

You can 100% code and implement an open world boss…but can you design it to be fun and beneficial to the game is another question, and the one we’ve been debating 😛

[south lance]

nah implement works, this game ran like shit for so long for that reason i imagine

but yeah i mainly meant design lol

though i could semanticalizate or whatever the word is about "implementation" further to win this argument probably

[blissful perch]

Ark as a series has always been pushing for new and imaginative things, and im disinterested in limiting that…but there’s some things I wish had stayed in the box 😅. But that’s the risk when you come up with something new

[astral token]

That's an engine issue not a dev issue

[south lance]

i wonder if any game has done devent open world bosses

i think rpgs had some of them as events

[blissful perch]

What I would prefer happens for ark 2 is things are better thought about with respect to how it scales players against the environment

[mint sleet]

they stopped with the dinosaurs, and started with the fantasy stuff

[south lance]

but the issue is that ark has destructible bases and rpgs dont

[blissful perch]

Uh be more specific. You mean the good ideas stopped with the dinosaurs?

[blissful perch]

Remove building and open world bosses are instantly on the table imo. But building is imperative to ark lol

[mint sleet]

in these recent dlcs they mostly added fantasy stuff

[blissful perch]

Right, but do you think that’s a bad thing? Most people enjoyed it as a unique feature of ark 1

[astral token]

Yeah

[lime forge]

What I want to happen with Ark 2 is for them to give us some actual content to debate about instead of our own fantasies

[mint sleet]

no

[blissful perch]

So what’s the point being made? I don’t get it

[south lance]

thats ultimately how survival balance works, just happens to be made of smaller but still massive issues

[mint sleet]

the point is that i liked it more when they stuck to the dinosaurs, but i do think the fantasy stuff is cool

[royal nebula]

If you think about it Ark doesn’t actually have a lot of dinosaurs

[lime forge]

I enjoy the fantasy direction as well

Still want my Dino’s though

[blissful perch]

Well like I said earlier, unlike more traditional survival games…ark has RPG elements and progression, which operates in direct contrast to survival games

[mint sleet]

also they are gonna add some kind of first person feature in ark 2 right?

[astral token]

It's hard to make every dinosaur *unique"

[lime forge]

Mods might

[blissful perch]

That push and pull is a good thing, but it’s very touchy and easy to mess up the balance and ruin one or the other

[astral token]

Look at the newer mod map dinos

[blissful perch]

Official will (atm) never be first person

[astral token]

LI dinos basically are all in ones replacing existing creatures

[blissful perch]

Amarga seems pretty dang new to me

[mint sleet]

i typically dont play online

[astral token]

If there was no precedent

[blissful perch]

It’s supposedly easy to flip to first person in UE5 so a mod for it seems easy to do

[astral token]

How do u think the dino guys would react to fire and ice spikes 💀

[blissful perch]

I saw surprisingly little fanfare over that

[astral token]

It's easy in UE 4.5 too

[astral token]

These same dino guys complain that not enough dinos

[mint sleet]

i use third person in ark a lot, it would be cool if they polish it a lot more in ark 2, but first person is something that most survival games need

[blissful perch]

I think dinosaurs with unique fantasy traits isn’t entirely out of scope or something that wouldn’t appease both parties

Since it’s lunacy to expect perfect realism in an ark game after 2016 😂

[astral token]

💀

[mint sleet]

yeah

[south lance]

i think that issue is more general than just lost island, devs are in general terrible about power creep since they quit making tlc every couple of weeks or months

[blissful perch]

The normal appeal of a sandbox is power creep doesn’t matter

[south lance]

actually, this is probably the issue, not making so much tlc updates

[blissful perch]

Yes X creature is stupidly good, but it’s a sandbox so go screw around on a saber for memes

[astral token]

Instead of quantity I think quality is more important

[blissful perch]

But once you add PvP and people who want to do memes just get dunked on by capped gigas, now you’ve imposed limits

[royal nebula]

The bronto needs a TLC so bad imo

It just slides around basically

[blissful perch]

Agree. Small roster -> high quality

[south lance]

i mean if you balanced these things then pvp meta might not be restrictive enough to effectively destroy the sandbox nature of the base game

[blissful perch]

Which I believe there’s about 60 ark 2 creatures on launch so I think that’s happening

[mint sleet]

yeah, i feel like it should do more than whip with its tail

[south lance]

60 isnt a small roster even

[astral token]

How cool would it be if every creature had small variations in size? We know it can be done using KBD, with UE5 I heard dynamic allocation of textures is also possible, so a creature can have a different coat for every area it spawns in

[south lance]

thats the good thing, if it was cut to like 20 thered be an issue

[blissful perch]

Compared to ark 1? 60 is a cut to almost 1/3 the current ark roster isn’t it?

[astral token]

Also creatures in packs should always have a bigger and stronger "alpha"

[south lance]

i mean most of that is spread across so many maps

[astral token]

And inter species interactions among members of the same genera

So much can be done to make every creature interesting than make a lot of uninteresting creatrues

[south lance]

we are probably gonna get the single contact site for the first map

[blissful perch]

I’d love to see turf wars between large carnivores

[south lance]

then as future dlc arrives, roster increases as per usual

[blissful perch]

The roster used to increase in general as EA progressed

[south lance]

yeah but then the devs had no idea what to make of ark1 i think beyond dino survival

[blissful perch]

I suspect those days could be over since it seems WC is more structured and will be working on larger DLC packages

[royal nebula]

It’s probably gonna start with around 60 then at some point new creatures are just gonna flood in every few weeks just like ark 1

[south lance]

im assuming there will be more planned approach to ark2

[blissful perch]

There’s also a lot more to consider

[south lance]

each dino also is gonna be harder to create

[blissful perch]

When the combat of 90% of ark 1 creatures is “walk up and bite” it’s probably not too hard to reuse tons of Ai code etc

[mint sleet]

and a lot more pressure

[south lance]

yeah

[blissful perch]

But if the combat is closer to souls or monster hunter now you’ve gotta add attack patterns, “personality” etc

[mint sleet]

well im excited for the physics based combat

[south lance]

the AI system might mean that given the same time ark2 has fewer dinos total

[blissful perch]

That should be for certain

It SHOULD take longer for each new creature, but every new creature is a massive step up from an ark 1 creature

[royal nebula]

How many creatures does the island have on ark 1 ?

[south lance]

might not be an issue, you can instead mod the AI or stats and then color morphs to have sufficiently different dinos and itd probably work

[blissful perch]

Over 100

[blissful perch]

Yea I’m only speaking to entirely new creatures, but you could definitely pepper in variants with less effort and still spice things up

[split dove]

physics based combat?

[south lance]

so like desert versions of raptors and jungle versions of raptors involve the same animation and similar base AI, but certain quirks are added and changed, and you mod the texture a little

as it stands thats probably better than having 400 different small pack dinos lol

[orchid flume]

What is this?

[south lance]

that all are the same but different stats

[royal nebula]

I feel like this game is gonna be nothing like how we are picturing but in a good way

[blissful perch]

There’s a balance lol, because at some point it becomes samey and lazy to just slap a new biome color on a creature and tweak a number or two

[south lance]

yeah thats fair, but its efficient and can be done in moderation

or at least i hope its efficient

[blissful perch]

It’s healthy in small doses

[royal nebula]

How do we know it’s gonna start with around 60 Dino’s, or was that just a guess or something

[blissful perch]

Tbh it’s because I listened to the PAX interview and it sounded like before he cut himself off Jeremy said 60

[south lance]

60 or 16 sorta deal

[blissful perch]

It’s not officially listed anywhere

[royal nebula]

16 Dino’s lol

[south lance]

i mean

[bold juniper]

There’s gotta be more then sixteen

[south lance]

if they werent including aliens

and being really annoying like that

[blissful perch]

We saw almost 16 in the trailers 😂

[south lance]

i could see it happen

i mean half the dinos were aliens tbf

[blissful perch]

Even ark 1’s ORIGINAL roster was 20

[bold juniper]

Nah

[bold juniper]

Rough days

[south lance]

aratai, lizard plant, idr any more

[mint swan]

Rex

[blissful perch]

At the time it was new and exciting times. No other game was quite like ark

[south lance]

i meant aliens specifically

[royal nebula]

Poop simulator but with Dino’s

[blissful perch]

Ark definitely propelled the survival/rpg genre to new heights

[bold juniper]

Dodo and silo

Dilo

[royal nebula]

Didn’t we see micro raptors or something too

[south lance]

we saw a dilo?

[blissful perch]

Archy

[split dove]

i think it was a archa

[royal nebula]

I get them mixed up

They look so similar

[split dove]

they also have the same startle sound lol

[south lance]

its not laziness, its convergent evolution

[split dove]

everytime i hear it from a archy i think it's a micro

[royal nebula]

I wonder if maewings survived

[blissful perch]

pls have died

[split dove]

let them slide and gore out on crash landing

[royal nebula]

I do want less flying in ark 2

[south lance]

everything good about the maewing exists because of ark imbalance

[blissful perch]

I’d kill for a flier biome

[royal nebula]

Or just less hold W and go somewhere simulator

[split dove]

current gliders and fliers are worse for map traversal

[south lance]

breeding was implemented terribly, map travel was implemented terribly

[blissful perch]

It was fine for a brief moment after the flier nerf and before manas

[split dove]

i just want my flappy chicken terror bird to be good in gliding 😂

[south lance]

both the maewing is extremely good for

[south lance]

oh?

[blissful perch]

Terror birds need more weight tbh, since they can’t carry squat have no hp AND suck

[south lance]

terror birds are raptors with way too high a tolerance for narc

lotus raptors

lotus birds?

[royal nebula]

We all have to just stay aware that every Dino we are scared of/think are annoying in ark 1 is probably going to be way worse in ark 2 (if they make it)

So like thylas and micro raptors

[blissful perch]

Except they have no pack buff and have lower hp I think 😂

[south lance]

yeah the drugs can do that

[blissful perch]

Ideally bleed doesn’t need to exist in the way it does for ark 1

[south lance]

reduced social ability, worsened health

[blissful perch]

Since bleed is a solution to dealing with 200k hp capped mistakes

[south lance]

explains the stubby malformed wings

[south lance]

its crazy how much of the game exists because of bad design philosophy lol

actually im not sure, this mightve been the best option possible for something like ark back then

[astral token]

I want Thyla & Saber in ARK II or riot

I swear I will mobilise my forces, small as they are

[south lance]

nobodh made a game like this, balance like this was literally never tried elsewhere

[blissful perch]

I think breeding was a great idea that flopped in practice because mutations (originally a secretive way to get a little boost in stats) became the entire gameplay loop for the remainder of ark 1

[astral token]

💀

Mutations should not touch colours and should have a 1/69420 chance to happen

That would be nice (haha pun) as it would give events some value

[south lance]

i hate rng mutations tbh

[astral token]

And the stat boost would be rare

[blissful perch]

Other way around. Only touch colors, never stats, and be somewhat common (1/50)

Making the stat boost more rare does ZILCH for the balance and gameplay problems capped tames introduce

[south lance]

make it one in 5 to make bobs be able to cap a dino like any other player

[astral token]

We disagree on some key points but yes 😂

Also make the mutation cap 5 then

And make it circumvention proof

[blissful perch]

A true cap of 5-20 is fine

[astral token]

A dino has at most 5 regions so that many is good

[blissful perch]

Then again I wonder if we even HAVE direct stat leveling like in ark 1

[astral token]

The max number should just be the max number of colour regions allowed

[south lance]

i wonder if mutation cap was purposely left like that to make use of 450 tame cap

[royal nebula]

Don’t think so for characters atleast

[blissful perch]

Other way around

[south lance]

i dont get breeding

[blissful perch]

There was once no level cap, but capped lines (and cheating in tames) were so stupid that WC had to impose a soft level cap

[south lance]

lol

level 5000 dinos

[blissful perch]

People were PISSED

[astral token]

💀

[blissful perch]

but it had to be done. Game was being ruined by god tames lol

[south lance]

this is why you have to cap end game efforrs

[royal nebula]

I remember watching syntac get wiped with a level 100,000 giga

[south lance]

which contradicts my point about makinf end game less speedrun able

[blissful perch]

I don’t get why RPG style mutation breeding was added to a survival game either 😅

[south lance]

that's unofficial

[blissful perch]

Like I said about the RPG and survival contrasting…I think ark 1 swung way too hard to RPG

[royal nebula]

Yeah I know I was just mentioning it

[south lance]

it did but i think on accident

like said before, balancr for this didnt exist and the only other ganes with similar time commitments are rpgs

what did multiplayer survival look like before ark

[astral token]

I think even raising our expectations rn is a tough ask

[blissful perch]

Rust

[astral token]

We have not seen any gameplay

[south lance]

did it exist largely? ik rust came before ark

[blissful perch]

It was pretty much only rust

[south lance]

damn lol

[astral token]

And yet there's no scope for ideas to the devs directly

[south lance]

had to wait a while to eclipse ark thereafter

[blissful perch]

Ark was a trailblazer title, I’d never argue otherwise

But there’s MANY learnings to take to ark 2

[south lance]

we are far beyond what we can actually say about what ark2 will have, most of the channel is just discussing ideas that are likely way too hard to implement

has been since the last info drop

will be like this until launch

[blissful perch]

You’re welcome to peruse the many discussions we’ve had about more concrete info

But those of us here for ages have kinda run out of material 😅

[astral token]

Yes

[south lance]

well yeah, its the only thing to learn from as it stands besides what, conan and atlas

[astral token]

ARK II was a stale topic when I left in late 2021

It's still a stale topic when I return in Jan 2023

Think about that for lack of info 💀

[south lance]

because i dont think rust mechanics can be matched to ark

too pvp oriented

could argue like half of end game content or more in ark is too, i wont counter

[south lance]

waiting on that gameplay drop daily

in the meantime just argue about some nonexistent game mechanic

that will literally never exist until late 2020s,/early 2030s

[split dove]

you can thank the part of the community that was responsible for communication to be dialled down for our lack of info and communication 🫡
i bet we would've had more without that happening, anyways this was my hot take on the info crisis

[blissful perch]

Conan, atlas to a limited degree, rust, maybe valheim a bit? But not many games in the genre worked. Last oasis and new world being examples

[blissful perch]

Gamers in general want constant news drops but also want that news to be 100% accurate

Which means that you can’t make design pivots close to launch like you used to if you’ve already basically showed people your game 6 months out

[split dove]

going back to my theory on why we haven't seen anything just yet --> Wildcard doesn't want to show something that might be changed later in development and wants to keep it closer to launch (if that June window is their targeted release)

[royal nebula]

Just hoping the game doesn’t get delayed again cause the ark 1 engine upgrade

[split dove]

they should just let the current ark 1 team do that and not pull any from the ark 2 team if that is what they're referring to.

Sidenote: the upcoming star wars game in March also had just cinematic trailers and some descriptions and got a gameplay trailer 3 months before release, but if wildcard does something like that it's wrong 💀

[south lance]

anyone know how the team split works rn?

cause rhe ark1 team cant be that big i imagine

[untold totem]

Or be end up with the ATLAS situation

[split dove]

i'm thinking the majority moved to ark 2 while a smaller portion remained for ark 1 to have bug fixes, balance changes and potential new updates like the supposed engine upgrade

[south lance]

yeah same

but itd be funny if the engine redesign is being done by like 3 nerds lol

[untold totem]

Or let Grove Street do it lol

[blissful perch]

Co-opting my theory is very based of you

[south lance]

they did ports and stuff

though now they are responsible for mobile

did grove street make the switch port or someone else?

[untold totem]

And ARK Switch rework

[south lance]

ah

[untold totem]

And the failed GTA remastered lol

[south lance]

lol

[untold totem]

I rather them to focused on ARK 2 instead

We don't want another ATLAS debacle

[royal nebula]

A ark 1 with a engine upgrade would be nothing like the atlas situation

[split dove]

we all just want Ark 2 instead of Ark 1 upgraded, as nice as that would be it's still the same old ark 1

[royal nebula]

Yeah I know but what I’m saying is that atlas was very poorly handled and basically a mistake, and something like ark 1 on UE5 would be hard to mess up as badly, it’s kinda hard to think of any negatives that can come from a engine upgrade other then a potential ark 2 delay

[untold totem]

I am talking about the split workload

And that is the mistake

And the real negative is the massive issues with mods because the Dev Kit needs to be updated to UE5

And... You know... The DLCs

[past wind]

I beg to disagree. A new engine won’t fix major Ark 1 issues and unbalanced stuff like tek.

Id rather have Ark 2 with new mechanics and features.

[royal nebula]

I never said it would

Idk where you got that from lol

[split dove]

Just gonna point out that the Ark 2 steam page date was changed from 2023 to just ''coming soon''

[past wind]

Coming this week confirmed

[royal nebula]

Is that a good or bad thing

“Coming soon” for wildcard can be anything

[past wind]

It’s a good bad thing

[split dove]

i just want Ark 2 this year man 😅

[past wind]

It’s coming soon TM

[royal nebula]

Same that’s all I care about at this point

Maybe that means gameplay trailer soon

[past wind]

And, maybe, a real date with it

[royal nebula]

Calm down, a little too far

[split dove]

''(as fantastic as ARK2 is looking, we're not quite ready to pull back the curtain on its gameplay just yet!)''

• Jeremy just before Christmas

[past wind]

I’m still believing on a H1 2023 release, maybe end of June

[royal nebula]

I’m thinking like anytime before September

[split dove]

i mean other upcoming games dropped gameplay 3-4 months before release with cinematic trailers before the gameplay one

[royal nebula]

How long were they announced for

[past wind]

I hate them for promising: next time will be a gameplay

[split dove]

same

[past wind]

So much stuff they could be sharing that’s not gameplay

[royal nebula]

Yeah the thing we got for the Anky was cool

Wish we got more of that

Even ones for the creatures we have already seen would be cool

[past wind]

Unfortunately not before a gameplay is released

[royal nebula]

I’m sure they want to show us gameplay just as much as we want to see it, which is probably a good thing

I’m gonna miss the ark 1 theme tho that played in trailers, I think it’s miles better then the ark 2 theme

[lime forge]

I think gameplay is coming, and I think Ark 2 is coming in 2023.

Surely it changed to coming soon because it is in fact 2023

[winged dome]

Ark1 theme is borderline nostalgic now, but I do look forward to more of Gareth Coker's work with Ark2

[split dove]

if it was further down the year and with nothing i could kinda get why ''coming soon'', but we just started the year and it'd be weird for it to already be delayed until next year

[mint swan]

dude is a fucking LEGEND.

[split dove]

ah pure nostalgia of getting my eardrums blasted to death while booting it up for the first time, gotta be like that for Ark 2 as well to keep tradition

[winged dome]

Give more time/spotlight to SOTF and UE5? 🤷

[lavish rain]

That's the cover operation

[worldly garden]

I'm convinced UE5 for ARK 1 is to be used as a prototype for ARK 2, which is another reason i'm convinced we won't see ARK 2 before Q4 2023.

[royal nebula]

The coming soon thing could also just be automatic, some other games that said 2023 also did the same thing

[lime forge]

Little late for a prototype

It probably is but the lack of information has left us all on edge and paranoid.

[worldly garden]

Yeah I do wish they would give us something to understand what is going on.

[royal nebula]

Yeah just any slight bit of reassurance

Even just saying it’s still coming in 2023 would make us feel a lot better

[split dove]

''as fantastic as ARK2 is looking, we're not quite ready to pull back the curtain on its gameplay just yet!''
Please let ''just yet'' mean something soon

[worldly garden]

Sadly that gives me no reassurance at all. 🤣

[past wind]

Makes no sense. Ark 2 seems to be using UE5 for a while now.

I think it was just the other way around, porting to UE5 was so easy they’ve decided to do that on Ark 1

[royal nebula]

Ark 2 is the only game that has ever hyped me up this much so it sucks being disappointed with it, I’m not trying to have a wife, kids, and no time by the time this game comes out lol

So hopefully we get something soon

[split dove]

iirc they used a more beta esc version before the official launch of UE5 earlier in 2022

[worldly garden]

Makes sense if they are planning to push ARK 2 back. 🤣

[lime forge]

Fuckin same dude. Cept I already got the family

[worldly garden]

There are more signs of ARK 2 being nowhere near releasing than there are pointing to it releasing by June.

[winged dome]

Stay single, no worries! 😂

[royal nebula]

Ark 2 is going to take longer then gta6

[stray carbon]

Completely agree with you there.

[royal nebula]

At this point just screenshots of random sticks

Will make me happy

[stray carbon]

Based on the news and activities of devs — rather a lack thereof publicly, I personally don’t see it coming this year.

Ark 1 in ue5 being a test run, particularly for mods, is a genius decision

People love having “‘new” slapped on something, and will come back to play it again. And when it technically is new? Its a win-win.

[lime forge]

That just doesn’t make much sense to me. They announced Ark 2 nearly 3 years ago. Do you really think they announced the test run of a sequel 3 years after what they’re testing it for?

[past wind]

I would agree with you if they didn’t have signed already with Microsoft. When they postponed last year they probably gave assurances they would release by x month/2023

[stray carbon]

Delays can happen

[past wind]

And MS made that game pass banner and all

[stray carbon]

It’s just how it goes. I’m not claiming one way or another, but it’s a possibility.

[worldly garden]

Absolutely! Glad i'm not the only one thinking along these lines.

[royal nebula]

Unless it brings new stuff, ark 1 in UE5 is still just ark 1 to alot of people

[lime forge]

That’s not just a delay though. It’s completely out of sequence

[past wind]

Sure, but I think they aim to launch soon. But issues might happen

[lime forge]

Yeah I’m not buying it. I’ve had my fun in Ark.

[royal nebula]

Really depends on how big this engine update is gonna be

[past wind]

Not for me no. I’m pretty much done with Ark 1 unfortunately

[stray carbon]

I am suggesting the lack of marketing is a sign they don’t aim to launch soon. Historically marketing is something they use a lot and it is immensely successful.

[past wind]

Maybe, but Ark 1 had no marketing at all

[stray carbon]

I’d suggest — based on my own market and player response — many would come back

[stray carbon]

Incorrect, ARK 1 was an immense success because of incredible marketing.

[past wind]

That’s fair enough, but my hope is they don’t postpone Ark 2 because of the remaster

[lime forge]

I can’t recall a single advertisement

[stray carbon]

I suppose you weren’t paying attention in that case

[mint swan]

Ark 1's EA didnt have marketing. It's official launch might have

[past wind]

What, I have followed Ark 1 since the beginning

[stray carbon]

The plethora of dinosaur update showcase videos.

[past wind]

It had no marketing at all before release

[stray carbon]

All the promotional content

[untold totem]

TBF I knew ARK through a word of mouth

[stray carbon]

Lots of it created by ark youtubers as well

[past wind]

All after release

[stray carbon]

That’s what marketing is, and tbey succeeded

[royal nebula]

I don’t remember anything either, but I was like 9 years old when the game came out and I just randomly picked it up with my dad on Xbox one day

[stray carbon]

No, the dino suowcases were made in EA

they created one for every major update

[past wind]

Ark 2 will be an EA release

[stray carbon]

These were proven to be highly successful for marketing the game

[lime forge]

I don’t think Ark had any kind of advertisement and marketing before it released in EA

[mint swan]

When we talk advertisements, we mean by company, publishers or partners. "influencers" don't count.

[past wind]

I consider the ea release an actual release

[stray carbon]

I’m saying ARK 1 was well-marketed with the number of video showcases

[past wind]

Ark 2 will also be an EA release

[stray carbon]

Marketing does not apply only to after something has left early access

[past wind]

That’s after release

[stray carbon]

?

sure

Thats fine if you believe that, your choice

[past wind]

Ark 1 had no marketing before it was released as an EA title

[lime forge]

I think what Charlie is saying is that you’re comparing marketing after release of Ark 1, to marketing before release of Ark 2.

[stray carbon]

The evidence exists, doesnt take long to find it lol

[untold totem]

It's kinda funny that majority of here vaguely remembered the first ARK ad

[past wind]

That

[stray carbon]

So I wont waste time stating facts about the world I suppose

[stray carbon]

OH!

No I didn’t mean to do that

I was just saying ark 1 had good marketing. Not as it relates to ark 2.

[royal nebula]

I was so confused for a minute

[stray carbon]

A completely separate claim

[lime forge]

Are you a streamer?

[stray carbon]

All I was saying is ark 1 was successful from marketing. I dont expect the same thing for ark 2 before it even is playable

[lime forge]

Like a known streamer

[past wind]

I’m confused. Weren’t you implying no marketing material means no EA release soon?

[stray carbon]

I was saying no buzz around it this close to release implies no ea release soon

[untold totem]

Certified bruh moment

[stray carbon]

Ark: se had little showcases and stuff leading up to release, nothing huge obv

[lime forge]

Is he?

[untold totem]

One way to find out?

[lime forge]

I feel like I’ve heard his name before

[stray carbon]

But it was there, like how they showed creature dossiers early before release

[past wind]

Hence why I’ve said before Ark 1 ea release there’s no buzz around it

[stray carbon]

Not videos, just forum posts

[royal nebula]

It’s okay to not know who neddy is lol

[stray carbon]

The buzz was there. Yters like star snipe and partially royale covered it among many others

[untold totem]

I can see why ARK is within the end of the forum era

I feel old

I remember forums are a popular thing

[past wind]

What, forum era is still pretty much alive.

[untold totem]

No

Most games are Discord/Reddit focused now

[mint swan]

Steam forums were so damn good when they were releasing the EA patch notes. Now it's just trolls and copy pasta tech support garbage

[untold totem]

RIP Steam forums

[mint swan]

It's funny that Valve moderates the steam forums instead of WC now too XD glorious.

[royal nebula]

What are the chances we get something at the Xbox event, they still have a bit to announce if they are going to be there

I doubt it but you never know

[lime forge]

I remember “commercials during my favorite shows”

[past wind]

Steam forums are indeed dead. But specialized forums are still pretty much alive. I think it all depends on the game genres

[split dove]

highly doubt anything there is it's just extended looks at 4 games and maybe something with gamepass

[past wind]

Unless WC says something, don’t expect anything

[royal nebula]

I learned that last time lol

[past wind]

Ark 2 is a gamepass title 🤔

[split dove]

iirc it's gonna be a 45 min showcase and 10 min per game with maybe something about gamepass

[past wind]

I wouldn’t completely take this chance out of the table, but I would expect WC will announce it in advance

[royal nebula]

Do we know what 4 games

Or is it like secret

[past wind]

Forza, elder scrolls, minecraft and redfall

[mint swan]

faster copy pasta 🤣

[royal nebula]

I have no hope in that Minecraft game

[winged dome]

Elder scrolls might be shorter, aren't they doing a separate event showcase after the Xbox one?

[split dove]

a seperate one for Starfield

[winged dome]

Yeah, that too, but I thought ESO had a separate event, same day

Maybe I misread though

[lime forge]

Aw. I would love some ES 6 info

[winged dome]

Nah, not getting anything for ES6 until after Starfield is released, esp with Toddy's short reveal-to-release schedule

[lime forge]

Fuck. It’s ESO. Can’t believe people actually play that garbage.

[royal nebula]

Ark 2 gameplay trailer: coming in 2025

Which will come out first, Ark 2 or gta 6

[winged dome]

Ark2, prob. R* wayyy too content milking GTAO

[mint swan]

R* has 0 incentive to release GTA6 anytime soon

[lime forge]

GTA stopped being good around vice city. After that it’s just another CoD situation. Same game, new skins.

[royal nebula]

Gta6 is 2024-2025 I think

[lime forge]

Do we get a CC today?

[royal nebula]

?

[blissful perch]

Thank you for being a voice of reason. Although I personally am suspicious of the claim that ark 1 in UE5 and ark 2 in UE5 aren’t parallel projects

[untold totem]

Crunch

[royal nebula]

Oh

[past wind]

I beg to disagree. Best GTA so far was SA

[split dove]

highly likely

[bold juniper]

Hope so

[royal nebula]

Release date announcement today (praying)

[past wind]

It will be just community corner and sponsored mods

[bold juniper]

Nah it’ll prob discuss the meme

[blissful perch]

Sponsored mods kinda go hard tho

[split dove]

( we know you're excited for gameplay, but pls wait a little little bit longer )

[winged dome]

I'm guessing no release date until gameplay reveal

[past wind]

I think the date release might come in the end of the gameplay footage

[royal nebula]

“The UE5 meme on Twitter, It was a joke”

“With that being said we also have more bad news, ark 2 is delayed till 2024”

Worst case scenario

[bold juniper]

I don’t think that is gonna be it

[lime forge]

I’m expecting them to elaborate on the meme announcement

[blissful perch]

“I’m expecting” is a great meme

[split dove]

we know the year just started, but we're pushing it back to 2024

[past wind]

One of the mods pasted Dollies response to that. It wasn’t just a meme

[astral token]

I am expecting an utterly uninteresting crunch

[astral token]

Where?

[past wind]

I was thinking it could be just a meme too

[royal nebula]

Ark 1 remaster release date?

[blissful perch]

I’m down for a surprise, but I’m not expecting it

[past wind]

Let me look for it

[astral token]

I was on the last time Dollie was on

[lime forge]

I find it hard to believe they would post a joke in the official announcements

That’s incredibly unprofessional

[bold juniper]

Ark is unprofessional

[lime forge]

On any day besides April 1st

[royal nebula]

We are talking about wildcard

They are silly sometimes

[bold juniper]

I enjoy them toying with people as long as they aren’t asshats about it

[winged dome]

They did make the Poglin a thing

[bold juniper]

[split dove]

It's Poglin time

[bold juniper]

Poglin

[lime forge]

Yeah. I don’t see it happening. They won’t elaborate on anything outside of official announcements.

[past wind]

Here

[astral token]

You say this, yet the gang hasn’t accepted u 👀

[split dove]

i may not be a poglin gang member on the virtual realm, but i am part of it's physical version, i even got my boy Jerry the noglin hat to testify

[royal nebula]

Would be cool if we got more info about it today, would be kinda dumb to drop that huge news on us in the form of a meme then not say anything else about it and act like it never happened lol

[astral token]

So u managed one of those nice work

[lime forge]

That I wouldn’t put past them

[past wind]

Have you met WC already?

[split dove]

i'm only missing the noglin plush to complete the trio

[bold juniper]

Wildcard is funny

[astral token]

🤯

Who did u bribe

[lime forge]

Drop that meme for a project they expect to start right after Ark 2s first paid dlc

[royal nebula]

I won the noglin and dodo plush by complete accident but I’m not complaining

[split dove]

my sanity and sleep schedule during those streams

[past wind]

Soon TM

[bold juniper]

Me personally I’m part of the plant x gang

[lavish rain]

Ark 2 is gonna get merked

[astral token]

☠️

[split dove]

gimme the brainslug plush

[royal nebula]

He’s for my cat, my cat really like them

[bold juniper]

Get plant species x’d

[past wind]

It’s like the: next time we share something about Ark 2 will be a gameplay, but we are not ready to share a gameplay so soon

[royal nebula]

Idk why they even said that lol

[past wind]

It’s basically saying we won’t share anything for a while 😂

[astral token]

even art would be nice 🙂

[lime forge]

Idc what they said, if they started dropping concept art and things like it right now I wouldn’t be upset at all.

[astral token]

[royal nebula]

They did for the Anky then never again

[astral token]

ARK II can also have crazy creatures mind u

[past wind]

We wouldn’t, but some people would complain. And TBF they would have a reason to do it

[astral token]

We are on an alien planet

[bold juniper]

People complain bout everything

[astral token]

Like that chameleon thing in that trailer from 65 million years ago

[lime forge]

Fuck some people. We can sick lotus on “some people”

[astral token]

Yes

[lavish rain]

Reserve that for the other server

[astral token]

Just bcz “some people” would whine doesn’t mean they let all people whine

[past wind]

Agreed. I just want info. Any kind

[lavish rain]

I just finished a sesh

[astral token]

Where’s “the other”? 💀

[lime forge]

Hey.

You’re the sword. You stay quiet until you’re unsheathed.

[lavish rain]

Your wish is my command, just give me my fix and I'll be a lot more then a sword

[astral token]

The thing is, ARK is big, but not big enough for people to leak and all

[lavish rain]

Don't test us

[astral token]

Bet u can’t do it

U just braggin

[bold juniper]

🧢

[lavish rain]

i cant

Dosent mean other people won't try

[bold juniper]

[royal nebula]

At this point I wouldn’t mind some leaks😭 if they won’t give us info then someone will

[astral token]

Bet nobody in this chat can

[split dove]

seems the ''coding experts'' that pop up every now and then aren't really that good huh 😂

[winged dome]

Their digging revealed what happens to Bob on Ep3 of the Animated Series, so they pulled a Santiago and abandoned technology as penance

[untold totem]

I remember the "leak" of some bob in ATLAS armor with Star Wars forest as a background lol

[split dove]

🧃

[slender barn]

is ark 2 going to have a release date any time soon?

[winged dome]

Not officially

[split dove]

i took a look at the steam page again and it seems to be all games releasing in 2023 without certain dates in general being moved to ''coming soon''

[lime forge]

We’ve already figured that out flobs. Is this what you’ve been doing instead of collecting spino sails?

[split dove]

''i carry my tribe'' good joke 🤣
Farm metal and you might ''carry'' a little bit

[lime forge]

Hey.

That’s uncalled for

[split dove]

I am the one who carries

[lime forge]

I hope troodons get ya

You really are. You’ve done a solid 75% of the work on the island

[split dove]

have fun finding that alpha mosa alone

[slender barn]

didnt know ark trashtalk was a thing

[lime forge]

Do you not trash talk?

[gusty ermine]

Any new leaks.😔😔?

[potent hull]

do this mean something coming or is early access coming

[lime forge]

I stg everything means Ark 2 news to deathblades haha

[potent hull]

get back to work for your tribe

[split dove]

Coming soon could be June or whenever it's updated

As for Gameplay i think it isn't that far out anymore, but super unlikely for that xbox game direct.

[potent hull]

i see ty ps mak shore you keep i carry working he slaking

[lime forge]

…what have you heard

[potent hull]

i her your tribe is rady to hunt you down for not working

lol

[lime forge]

I’m still the second most productive!

[brittle ether]

Is there any footage of gameplay out yet of ark 2 or do we only have the announcement trailer still

[split dove]

Not yet, could be soon

[potent hull]

no there nothing new jut that ark 2 steam page show coming soon

[wanton pike]

I could really see wildcard announcing that they will have to scrap the 2023 release and that they will focus on revamping ark 1 with ue5 etc

[lime forge]

That comment you replied to was from December 22nd lol

[split dove]

it was for the tweet ya dingus

[desert swallow]

ya but it was from a year ago

[split dove]

real funny

[lime forge]

It wasn’t even a month ago lol

[desert swallow]

2023-2022 = 1 year

[lime forge]

I see what y did there

[wanton pike]

I will have the last word. Shut up beaches bobbekes! Thank you

[lime forge]

I wonder what would happen if everyone online started pinging devs

[desert swallow]

You ever seen john wick where he walks into a building and kills everyone inside? that

[lime forge]

Eh, I’m pretty sure I could take the whole studio solo

[wanton pike]

Yh do that. Super relevant to the topic too Rambo

[wanton pike]

🙏🏼

[lime forge]

We ignored that comment for a reason

No need to ping yourself we seen it the first time

[split dove]

or a better idea, scrap that Ark 1 on UE5 crap for this year and release Ark 2 instead, everyone wants ark 2 except for the sad people that would rather stay on official pvp

[lime forge]

What do you expect. They won’t know how to cheat in Ark 2.

[winged dome]

'Ark2 bad, under meshing and exploits good'

[split dove]

they won't win spamming the left click combat so they stay on cookie clicker combat simulator evolved

[slender barn]

nah i dont have anyonee to trash talk to

[lime forge]

Bro that’s almost as sad as flobs when he gets on to fill troughs solo

[slender barn]

Lmao

[ancient stag]

Hinting at UE5 for ark 1 and still nothing for ark 2 leaves a strange unpleasant feeling.

[untold totem]

It's ATLAS all over again

[tiny zealot]

dan

dam*

[mint sleet]

why did they remove the release date

[split dove]

it's all games with the unspecified 2023 release date in general on the steam page, so probably just a stean thing

[mint sleet]

coming soon it says

but im guessing it will come out in 2024

[past wind]

No. It seems they changed manually. You can see it on SteamDB

They’ve changed the tags also

[mint sleet]

2025

[past wind]

Maybe for the official definitive release yes

[mint sleet]

there will probably be games on unreal engine 6 by the time it comes put

[mortal kestrel]

[mortal kestrel]

its probably because they are having trouble with arkIIs development

there's a lot of drama going on with snail right now

I for one hope wildcard can separate from snail, the company is shady as fuck

[split dove]

kinda hard when iirc snail bought them out when they were experiencing that lawsuit, and Ark is the only thing making them money as their games are basicly dead. so they try stuffing ark full off microtransactions to get more money while the ark devs keep fighting to keep that stuff out of Ark (fucking legends for not wanting microtransactions compared to big companies doing it to screw over the fans for quick bucks wich will ultimately kill the game long term)

[winged dome]

Do you think Ark2 will have a Battlepass similar to Conan? Mostly cosmetic stuff but a few in-game items/variations on structures and armor? Not Pay to Win

[split dove]

Seeing as the devs kinda hate microtransactions i'm gonna say no, also only time we got skins in a paid sense was with the season passes. Also ....
Ark Battle pass 🤮

[winged dome]

They seem to be a decent model imo, not too cash grabby with incentivized rewards - esp if there are free rewards

DLC maps are probably more likely though, tried and true

[split dove]

Keep battle passes to the shooter games, keep it out of online multiplayer survival games

[tranquil coyote]

Ranked ark 💀

[split dove]

''kill 30 aratai'' good luck if you're on a spammed off server with almost nothing spawning if that will be a thing as well

[untold ingot]

Conan is a great example of a failed battle pass in a survivalesque game

I wouldn't mind there being more achievements though

[split dove]

even for dlcs, would be a small nice touch while playing them without needing to beat the boss to complete something

[untold ingot]

I want to see weird ones like "tame a Rex while doing a jig in a yellow afro under a palm tree"

[winged dome]

Shave head, equip Santiago's Spear and Axe skins, use Grunt emote 100 times

[split dove]

Achievement unlocked: The power of family

[winged dome]

Hold a Dodo while standing atop a Rex's head: The Legend Lives On

[split dove]

''A bobs journey''

[tropic crag]

Skill issue

[potent hull]

and the best ark achievement go to flbos

[blissful perch]

Since 0 other people were able to solve it, including WC, I guess it is indeed the ultimate skill issue 😦

[tropic crag]

TFW Discord servers are literally self-contained forums

[tropic crag]

You play post-Mists WoW, sit down 🤣

[lime forge]

Dude Dragonflight is easily the best xpac to date

[tropic crag]

Hard disagree

[hazy elm]

Probably the worst with cheap free to play time wasting design from mobile devs

All wow is good at is making decent end game and has a very good combat engine

[ionic meteor]

ARK 2 steam page changed to coming soon

[violet notch]

lmao just wanted to ask the same

in this moment

thoughts about that?

[ionic meteor]

Idk

Its sounds good because other xbox exclusive games are all the same

[violet notch]

question is, is it comming soon?

or next year lmao

[violet notch]

steam 🙏

[ionic meteor]

starfield, redfall, minecraft legends are all coming soon on steam

[violet notch]

need it on steam tho

or pc xbox at least

[ionic meteor]

and those titles are confirmed for 2023 first half

[hazy elm]

Ark 2 will be the best game ever this year

[stray elm]

Yeah, lets hope that 'coming soon' is a legit coming soon for all of those games, and not a delay for them

[hazy elm]

Better than all of them

[stray elm]

I don't know about that.....

[violet notch]

I hope man I hope

[violet notch]

I really hope

[hazy elm]

Diablo IV is a mobile game with a battle pass 🤮

[stray elm]

It'll probably be a 'good' game.
But best game of the year?
There's a lot of good games coming out this year

[ionic meteor]

What makes me hopefull for a 2023 first half release is the fact that its early access

[stray elm]

The Dead-Space remake looks fucking sick, besides my own personal gripe of Issacs face.

[ionic meteor]

So it'll unfinished anyways

[violet notch]

Il buy this shit as soon as you can man

[ionic meteor]

Me too

[violet notch]

🙏

[hazy elm]

The truth is Ark 2 is like a whole new drug like replacing Vicodin with Percocet.

It's just better

[stray elm]

I'll wait for day-one videos for ARK-2 before I do buy it though.
Don't wanna repeat what I did with Mass Effect Andromeda.

[hazy elm]

I liked andromeda I thought it was fine

[violet notch]

Il buy it either way

if its shit Il probably get banned on this discord

[stray elm]

Gameplay wise, it was good.
Story-wise, it was dogshit.

[violet notch]

jk XD

[hazy elm]

Well there is a new ME coming out so yay there

[stray elm]

Yeah, a official 4th title.

'Continuing' the story then whatever Andromeda did.

[hazy elm]

It'll be interesting to see what life without all those gates will be like or whatever they were called

[lavish rain]

Amuse me

[tropic crag]

Xbox console exclusive, also, the thing y'all are reporting on is literally the Steam page???

Lmao

[lavish rain]

I need amusement

[tropic crag]

Just watch cctv footage of yourself, ez

[lime forge]

Bro what? You haven’t played it yet have you?

[split dove]

remember, ark players can't read info

[hazy elm]

I played it and thought what a cheap pile of crud. WoW devs couldn't make good story content no matter how hard they try.

[untold ingot]

The idea that there is good story content is baffling to me lol. Typically I play games and try to avoid the story as much as possible, because it is typically generic and not very interesting

[hazy elm]

For WoW or Ark?

Some games avoiding the story you might as well not even play the game

Others like WoW are only good at end game stuff that has largely been the same since Legion coming up on 7 years now.

[winged dome]

Oh no! Big bad [Catastrophe] happened! Now [World] needs you, the newly awakened [Heroic Title] to make everything better! Harness the power of [Generic Game Mechanic] to shift the balance and save [World]!

[hazy elm]

Idk I enjoyed what story Ark had to be honest.

Really only ever played pvp in Ark but still found it cool to see what was going on.

[winged dome]

Personally, if I enjoy the gameplay then I'll probably enjoy the story if there's some relevance. Some games like Ark/Diablo, the story has zero effect on gameplay so it'll have to be pretty good for me to care about it

[hazy elm]

Interesting well to each their own. For me it doesn't have to have any effect to be of interest to me. Let's say if all Diablo was was a giant town with instances to boss rooms and the portals to greater rifts with no story content at all. I'd find that to be pretty boring personally.

[winged dome]

I also tend to give story a bit more of a chance on first playthrough, but replays then I'm just there for the gameplay. Like Skyrim, sure there's story there but every quest leads to Draugr Dungeon #34, complete with end-of-dungeon 'secret path' back to the entrance

[tropic crag]

Simple solution, just never make a second playthrough unless absolutely necessary (or playing with mods, and sometimes not even then)

Yes, I do that with almost every RPG

No, I don't get bored

No, I can't explain how

[split dove]

only time i do a second playtrough is if i've 100% the first one with all side notes and collectables

[winged dome]

I'll do multiple playthroughs to check out different classes/builds if it's too tedious to convert one character to a different focus. Or explore alternative story paths

[tropic crag]

There are fringe cases, like once I got a PC I started a new Fallout 3/New Vegas TTW playthrough, same with Skyrim and the other Bethesda games (and other such similar games)

[winged dome]

Something like Bioshock, one and done 🤷

[tropic crag]

But for the most part, I only do one

Ark also doesn't count, since it's more survival sandbox than straight RPG imo

[tropic crag]

That's a little different for me just because there's a lot of extra content you can only access on second and third playthroughs, and they're relatively short

[winged dome]

Did Bioshock have post game? Honestly don't remember

[tropic crag]

One of my criteria for whether or not to do 2+ playthroughs is if being able to see everything the game has to offer is possible in one run

[winged dome]

Oh, or did you mean just in general

[tropic crag]

Couldn't get all the plasmids in one playthrough, nor weapons upgraded, and you unlock new modes in some of them (1886 mode or whatever in Infinite comes to mind)

[winged dome]

Gotcha

[tropic crag]

Also replayability, plays a big part in some of them (mostly the open worlds, I.E. Fallouts and Elder Scrolls)

But generally speaking it's usually just seeing all the content that wins out in the end

I did my first playthrough of Ark solo where I tamed at least one of every dino and tried to figure out their niches in the game

[winged dome]

In something more freeform like Ark, I like to do challenges with my playthroughs, like not being able to spend engram points, or staying Lv1, or not using 'meta' tames for bosses/caves. Way to experience the game a little different than usual

[tropic crag]

I've tried that with some peeps, didn't entirely suit me

Will admit that beating the Island bosses (except Overseer) with bred horses/raptors/phiomia/etc was hilarious to see though

Hope Ark 2 gives us at least as much player agency as 1 did in that regard, just being able to do wack shit for the sake of doing it and having it work, somehow

[winged dome]

Raps can get surprisingly powerful in a pack 😂

[fair pasture]

so can alot of dinos tho xd

[winged dome]

True

Never underestimate the power of Unga Bunga Numbers

[tropic crag]

Pack buff do be OP sometimes

[fair pasture]

Indeed

very very possible to beat the maps with (almost) any pack dino imo

[lone igloo]

Is it true ark 2 has been delayed?

[stray elm]

Delayed to obviously 2023, yes.
But 'another' delay? Wildcard has yet to confirm or deny it.

[lone igloo]

I mean ark 2 release date was originally 2024 @stray elm

[stray elm]

No it wasn't?
It was 2023

[lone igloo]

Then 2022 then 2023

I searched it up a while back it was 2024

[stray elm]

Where?

[lone igloo]

At least the top of Google used to say so

[stray elm]

Google is bullshit.

[lone igloo]

Fair enough

[stray elm]

If you watch the trailers, it states their release date

It was originally 2022, but delayed to 2023.
Another delay has yet to be stated.

[lone igloo]

When I searched it up in like 2021 before the first trailer it said 2024 @stray elm

[thick moat]

you smoking crack boss

*meth

[stray elm]

Yeah, you're truly are a meth bender

[lone igloo]

Facts

[split dove]

Methenberg

[tropic crag]

I figured out the new subtitle for Ark 2, guys

Ark 2: Player IQ Devolved

[split dove]

devolved along with technology

no wonder Rockwell took over, they were already dumb as hell on the ship. now they're cavemen.

It all makes sense why Vin grunts a lot now

[south lance]

the cavemen had larger skull volume, implying greater cortical tissue mass and higher intelligence

this means that we need ark2 to become smart again

[tropic crag]

Bigger brain ≠ smarter, lmao

[south lance]

thats generally true, though im specifically referring to the neocortex

[split dove]

Aratai are good example, bigger head but still outclassed by a grunting bald man with a pointy stick

[south lance]

whose proportional size does actually correlate strongly to intelligence

its where the funny stuff happens as opposed to other large brained animals having a fuckall massive cerebellum thats just there to coordinate the massive bodies

[south lance]

its proof that caveman >tek bob

when we imagine bob we shouldnt be looking at this

or else bob is a good thing

notice still, end game ark is terribly boring compared to early game

[winged dome]

Bob is always a good thing

[south lance]

the universe itself speaks to us

[split dove]

Bob is the universal overlord

[south lance]

its saying we must return to gruntiago

Bob is the ideal being

he is literally perfect

tek bobs are the degenerate undermen

grind all tek into organic poly NOW

[hazy elm]

Imo Billy is the overlord

All hail Lord Billy

[unborn galleon]

Ark 2 "coming soon"

In a few months

[royal nebula]

Years*

[unborn galleon]

coming soon doesnt mean years

if it was 2024 or 25 it will be stated there

xbox won't lie and say the game has a window from january to june, xbox owns their ass right now

🤑

[lone igloo]

Snail games owns wildcard @unborn galleon

[unborn galleon]

😆

nope, xbox owns their ass. Xbox paying them millions right now

[stray elm]

They don't.

Look it up pal.
Microsoft is only in a deal with them, not owned by them.

[unborn galleon]

Xbox Game Pass: Microsoft Has Paid "Hundreds Of Millions" To Devs. "Microsoft has shared new numbers that speak to the Xbox economy and how much money developers who release games through Game Pass and on ID@Xbox are paid. This is notable because Microsoft rarely discloses dollar amounts regarding specific units of Xbox, like Game Pass and ID@Xbox in this case."

when i said they own them, i meant they getting pay big money

"so they own them."

How much does Microsoft pay to put games on Game Pass?
Microsoft, meanwhile, paid slightly less – $2.5 million to feature the game on it on Game Pass for the first half of 2022, and then a further $2.3 million to bring ARK 2 to the service when it launches in 2023.Oct 12, 2022

🤑

[stray elm]

🤦

[unborn galleon]

"$2.3 million to bring ARK 2 to the service when it launches "

[winged dome]

Exclusive Launch rights =/= 'Owned by'

[cunning talon]

people are endlessly fascinating

[hazy elm]

I know I am ty

😉

[unborn galleon]

am not people

brought to you from another universe

[unborn galleon]

hey, am hoping Ark 2 has Dlss :3

[cunning talon]

do you think you can buy a Bugatti La Voiture Noire for 100k too?

[unborn galleon]

i know you guy can. I can't. too poor

[thick moat]

no way they say nothing

come on maaan

[tough mica]

What color is your Bugatti

[cunning talon]

💀

[hazy elm]

I mean snail games owns Wildcard tho right? I was watching a fun youtube drama video about how snail manipulates wc. Was funny to watch.

[thick moat]

SAY something aaaaahhhhghh i cant wait longer

my patience is dying

[desert swallow]

Say something I'm giving up on you

[tropic crag]

Moi boo-got-e and moi money launderin'

How was my impression

[stray elm]

Wonder if the creature vote is for ARK-1 or 2.

[desert swallow]

missing the human trafficking's

[tropic crag]

Ah, yes. True and real

Also "moi hungarian pizzah bouxes" or whatever

[stray elm]

Either way, I have already posted my submission.

[tough mica]

Matrix is real

[desert swallow]

He should be put into a Bugatti and launched into space, later we learn he died on his return to his home planet. Similar to Poochie from Simpsons

[cedar vector]

Top G woulda released Ark 2 by now

[desert swallow]

No he'd keep you paying, promising it would be out, but never actually happen... wait a second!

[cedar vector]

Wildcard?

[stray elm]

@tropic crag BRUISE

This is our chance to try to get tamable sentient slime in ARK!
Always thought it could act as a way to give yourself reinforced armor while slowly consuming you.

[cedar vector]

Yeah keep thinkin cause that idea is horrible

[desert swallow]

If it is, I think we've learned that you can avoid being targeted by it by not being a POS.

[tough mica]

You give off brokie energy

[tropic crag]

You are 100% right, but it's not quite a dinosaur, unless I read the submission rules wrong and it doesn't matter

[stray elm]

Real-world creatures

Oooh wait, it has to be extinct.
Shit

Hang on, I'm seeing if there's a extinct species of them

[hazy elm]

What if ark 2 has space ships

And we can travel to multiple worlds

[mint swan]

that's crazy

[hazy elm]

ikr

[mint swan]

Genesis part 3 in Ark 2

[static sinew]

Lol, so... 2027, maybe? WC doing it up just like expected.

[hazy elm]

I mean hear me out: Ark 2 planet we are on disables tek stuff so it doesn't work

We have to build rockets to launch it into outer space to get stuff working again

and other planets we discover all new tek

Mind blown

[mint swan]

true

[static sinew]

Not mine

[past wind]

Ark 2 will have primitive combat. Wouldn’t make sense to have spaceships.

[stray elm]

Okay, so while they're not extinct. They 'are' prehistoric in the sense that they've existed longer then dinosaurs have. @tropic crag

[hazy elm]

On the planet it would

[desert swallow]

what about primitive spaceships?

[mint swan]

yeah, but constructing a mek is pretty simple

you just need rare materials

lots of them

[hazy elm]

All I'm saying is if the primitive combat thing doesn't work out they can write themselves an out so they can add tek back later

[mint swan]

yeah

[past wind]

But WC wants it to be tek free. Wouldn’t make sense to have spaceships. At least not for the base game

[stray elm]

Slime-Mold is weird.
It doesn't have much species to it, and it hasn't evolved much for said 100-Million years.
The Slime-Mold now a days is the same stuff from millions of years ago, apparently.

[hazy elm]

I think that just limits the scope of what Ark can be tho in terms of story

In the big picture

[past wind]

They will probably eventually add tek in future DLCs. That’s my personal feeling

[mint swan]

but what if like in the Genesis ascencion there is tek armor like a requirement, maybe it's the same in ark 2

[past wind]

I really doubt there will be anything from the tek tier on the base game

[mint swan]

that's true though

maybe

[past wind]

The “No Tek” promise is old and they will probably stick to it for a while

[fair pasture]

Ark 2 release date has been changed on steam from 2023 to Comming soon...

[mint swan]

I agree with "for a while"

[fair pasture]

Uh... a massive announcement is comming.. or is it a delay... we may never know...

[hazy elm]

We'll probably get some news this spring I guess

[past wind]

The tek aspects, according to Jeremy, will be like magic to the survivors. As I understood it those will be stuff the survivors won’t be able to fully control

[mint swan]

probably

[desert swallow]

They're announcing a special counsel to investigate the change in steam's release date.