ark-2

[lime forge]

Why?

[jaunty nexus]

I’d also like to hear your thoughts on why it seems it would take that long

[stray elm]

I can see it taking 4-5 years for Early-Access.
But 10? Yeah, no.

[elfin pumice]

4-5 years just for early acces?

[stray elm]

Wait, no. Just remembered that they can't do 4-5 years.
Microsoft only allows Early-Access games to stay on their platforms for 3-years.

[jaunty nexus]

I’d say 2 to be out of early access

[stray elm]

We'll see, since it did take ARK-1 the 3 years they allow to get out of it.

[elfin pumice]

What does early acces mean? Is it that the game isnt finished or something?

[stray elm]

A fancy term for 'beta'

Betas and early-access are basically the same.
Studios started changing it to 'early-access' since that was a appealing name, compared to 'beta'
Something about cause 'beta' indicates you're playing a unfinished game, while 'early-access' means you're just getting early access to a upcoming game....which....
"Is literally what a fucking beta is."

[elfin pumice]

Is it bad if a game stays a long time on early acces?

[stray elm]

Other then your game being removed from the Microsoft store after 3-years? No

[lime forge]

Betas are restricted and don’t allow access to everyone. Early access allows everyone who purchases the game to play the game.

[stray elm]

"Open-Betas" would like a word with you.

[lime forge]

“Open-betas” are temporary testing periods

[elfin pumice]

But is the game guaranteed to have lots of bugs and glitches on early acces or not

[stray elm]

So are early-access

[lime forge]

Early access is for anyone who purchases the game and is permanent

[lime forge]

It’s Ark so more than likely gonna be a few bugs

[stray elm]

iirr, if you pre-ordered the MW remake, you got access to the closed-beta, and kept the game.

[lime forge]

Yeah. There’s a few studios that seem to be using beta access as a means to sell more preorders

[stray elm]

I think they're doing that again with the MW2 remake.

Just like how some studios are using the term 'early-access' as an excuse to manipulate their players. 'cough, cough, every early-access game on steam, cough, cough.'

At the end of the day, they're pretty much one in the same.
Sure there's 'some' differences. But not enough that them to be completely separate.

[lime forge]

Early access isn’t just another name for beta though. The biggest difference is when betas end all the time and progress is lost and must be redone upon launch. Early access does not. Early access is usually implemented by smaller studios to provide more funds for the game during the games creation.

[jaunty nexus]

I mean they wiped official when ark left early access on a lot of servers

They left some legacy servers up but a majority were wiped

[mortal kestrel]

I mean star citizen exists so who fucking knows

I dont mind arkII being in early access as long as it needs to be personally

...as long as its in early access and I can play it during that time

[prisma pike]

Isn't star citizen made by a very small group of developers though?

[mortal kestrel]

still been in development for over a decade while actively taking peoples money

[tropic crag]

Star Citizen is made by thieves and scam artists lmao

[mortal kestrel]

lowkey

[tropic crag]

Not even lowkey, highkey

Highest of keys

Literally everyone knows it

Like there's still almost next to nothing to show for the amount of money they've pulled in, besides "OOH fancy new ship that costs a couple grand 🤩 time to pull out ye old wallet again and take out a loan and sell the other kidney"

[versed mountain]

Not really. It definitely slowed down this year, but last year they made tons of progress

Not saying its not a garbage and exploitative system, but it is at least being actively developed

[tropic crag]

Glad I never put my eggs in that basket, all I'm sayin. Game is not even nearly as good as the next few competitors in the space sim realm

Namely Elite: Dangerous and No Man's Sky

[prisma pike]

No man's sky and elite dangerous are both cool at first but get boring very quickly

[versed mountain]

Elite Dangerous has pretty unique pvp. I do like the base building aspect of NMS tho

[prisma pike]

I've never played star citizen tho so idk about if it's better or not fully but from what I've seen it looks more in depth with mechanics than both of the others.

[prisma pike]

Man just go play space engineers if ya like the building mechanics lol

[versed mountain]

Eh i tried it. Not very fun to me, i much prefer nms

[prisma pike]

Oh wait, have you only played it on Xbox?

Cause the Xbox version is pretty bad in terms of controls and performance

[lime forge]

No mans sky got nothing on space engineers

[iron tide]

Ark 2 is just Spongebob SquarePants Battle for Bikini Bottom

[limpid pawn]

i hope ark 2 is gonna have dinosaurs

[elfin pumice]

so true

[silver grove]

On god

[steep cairn]

for real, Miettisen herra.

[steep cairn]

space engineers has no point though there are no goals after you leave to space except building bigger ships and going to other planets (where you wont find anything new) but its a fun sandbox though

[lime forge]

Yeah. The only real point is building cool stuff. The PvP is a great time on the right servers though.

[mint swan]

Is ARK 2 published yet?

[steep cairn]

it will be probably released in the first half of 2023

[iron tide]

Maybe it'll be as good as cyber punk 2077

Probably not though more bugs

[mortal kestrel]

you got that backwards

space engineers not only has ridiculous requirements (my pc can run modded ark for example, but barely vanilla space enginners with minimum graphics, for example), but is also just lame

[mortal kestrel]

if it is that would be a win, the game is releasing in early access after all unlike cyberpunk

[iron tide]

Will it be anything like preview mode on Ark 1

[lime forge]

Nah. Space Engineers building is unmatched. It will fry an unprepared pc though.

[iron tide]

Sooo fun but ran equally as bad but those old Xboxs didn't have the power tbh

[mortal kestrel]

wym?

[mortal kestrel]

meh but if I wanted to build I'd just go play minecraft-

[gloomy karma]

I just BOUGHT ark so wil ark 2 be soon otherwise im fucked

[mortal kestrel]

arkII will likely release next year

[gloomy karma]

noooooo\

[mortal kestrel]

but dont trust that because wildcard is as terrible with keeping release dates as ark is buggy

[gloomy karma]

ok

so 2 years

[mortal kestrel]

its not all bad

everything you learn playing arkI will be relevant in arkII to some degree

[iron tide]

Ark will get like 3 delays probably

[gloomy karma]

ok

[mortal kestrel]

its already got 1

it was supposed to be releasing this year x3

[iron tide]

Yea

To be expected honest it's ark

Say one thing an then reality sets in

[lime forge]

Comparing Minecraft to space engineers is like comparing my 1 year olds crayon work to the Sistine Chapel.

[iron tide]

Crayons taster gooder though???

[gloomy karma]

how expensive do yall gonna think it is??????????

[lime forge]

40-60 is my guess

[ember ingot]

100

[gloomy karma]

thxxx

[mortal kestrel]

not really, you missed my point

the only good thing you said about space engineers is "building"... in a space game?

like if I wanted to just build, I'd go play a game where building is one of the primary points of it, like minecraft

[bold juniper]

You build your space ships

[mortal kestrel]

to do what with them?

[bold juniper]

Custom designs and custom resource pathways

[mortal kestrel]

lose them in the next five minutes pvping?

[bold juniper]

Kill or harvest or even build other ships

[bold juniper]

You can copy them down and get a bp and rebuild them in a welder put that is custom built

[mortal kestrel]

so you build ships to get other ships

sounds pretty boring

[bold juniper]

You buil ships or vehicles to do whatever you want

[mortal kestrel]

like?

[bold juniper]

Bruhhhhh

Anything harvest battle both carry your other ships whatever you want

[mortal kestrel]

calling space enginners planets, planets, is an insult to actual planets... they are just glorified chunks of rock

[bold juniper]

That was never the point tho

It’s about custom building space ships and fighting each other

[mortal kestrel]

so if space ships is all you can give me

I'd rather just go play no mans sky where I have more than just spaceship simulator

[bold juniper]

Umm you can build cars and bases to

[mortal kestrel]

but why would I want to build a base on an ugly ass planet?

[bold juniper]

With infinite scale

Space base

[lime forge]

The amount of stuff you can build in space engineers is ridiculous. Cars, trucks, trailers, boats, submarines, I once seen a functioning gundam, tanks, space ships, stations.

[mortal kestrel]

or build cars to drive around on ugly ass planets

[bold juniper]

Statute base

[bold juniper]

Your just salty about the graphics

[mortal kestrel]

not really

[bold juniper]

You try rendering multiple high definition planets on the same server

That’s why ark maps are separate

[mortal kestrel]

Im just saying space engineers really doesnt have much going for it compared to other space games

[bold juniper]

But it’s also way older

You can also build walking machines

[mortal kestrel]

which makes the stupidly high pc requirements and lack of content even sadder

[bold juniper]

You sound salty with no creativity

[mortal kestrel]

no, you sound salty because you cant handle my objective truth and are calling me salty to cover up your own insecurity

[jaunty nexus]

[lime forge]

Space Engineers is a game for builders and builders only. If you like interactive gameplay and things like that you’re not gonna be into it.

[mortal kestrel]

anywayyy

arkII things

didnt realize this wasnt general x3

[bold juniper]

My insecurity for defending an old game requiring critical planning and thinking

Yeah I’m insecure

[elfin pumice]

Bro stop

Ark 2

[mortal kestrel]

^

Im curious how element will play into arkIIs story

I mean, its obviously not gone, being element and all

[elfin pumice]

Why is it obviously not gone?

[mortal kestrel]

it would be kind of cool if the bosses of arkII are creatures who became corrupted by element

[mortal kestrel]

because that would be physically impossible

element is a hivemind thats kind of everywhere

[elfin pumice]

As far as im aware, WC said no tek on ark2

[mortal kestrel]

element is not synonymous with tek

[elfin pumice]

What would it be used for?

[mortal kestrel]

tek is simply machines running on element, not element itself

[lime forge]

Because Rockwell isn’t actually the main antagonist, element is.

[mortal kestrel]

element is more than just fuel or a building component, its alive

[elfin pumice]

K didnt know about that

[mortal kestrel]

so the question is less what its for, and more what it will do

[elfin pumice]

Dont know much about lore. In what moment does ark 2 start?

[lime forge]

I think it’s gonna take over the Aratai leadership, and corrupt them.

And use them to try and end us and Arat.

[mortal kestrel]

we dont exactly know

its a common theory that its left in the dark so the player can either self insert their old survivor from arkI or be just an entirely new person if they never played the original ark

[elfin pumice]

Is element that persevering?

Dont we just leave it behind?

[mortal kestrel]

but arkII ends with the genesis ship exploding and the ring (and us) crashing into Arat

[mortal kestrel]

you cant leave behind something that is literally everywhere

element doesnt originate from earth, its extraterrestrial

[elfin pumice]

Wow what

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[lime forge]

No. Rockwell brought the corruption with him. If the gen 2 ship is on the planet element is as well.

[elfin pumice]

Didnt the gen 2 ship explode?

[mortal kestrel]

the lifeboat of the genesis ship blew up in space and likely crashed on arats moon

but the eden ring crashed on arat itself

[elfin pumice]

What is the eden ring

[mortal kestrel]

(you see it at the end of the arkII trailer, and bits in the second trailer as well)

[lime forge]

Bro have you ever played Ark!?

[mortal kestrel]

where the genesis map itself was

[tropic crag]

💯

[mortal kestrel]

genesis 2 map specifically

[elfin pumice]

Is it like a physical thing?

[mortal kestrel]

the genesis 1 map was a simulation done in the lifeboat

[mortal kestrel]

yes it is

watch the arkII trailer, you see it at the very end.. the part with the terminal, and also the scrap metal ring the pteradons flew off of

the eden ring is still actively functioning to some degree btw

hence why the dinosaurs are on arat and not just dead

[elfin pumice]

So element is a living thing which is everywhere and and it want to corrupt us

[mortal kestrel]

we werent actually in the eden ring when it crashed, we were in space in a mek

[untold totem]

None to say

[mortal kestrel]

element does not necessarily want to corrupt us, no

[untold totem]

We don't know if element is ever gonna be corrupted again

[bold juniper]

Not all element is corrupt

[mortal kestrel]

I believe it was the king titan that made element corrupt

but I could be wrong

[untold totem]

We made element corrupted after a war

[mortal kestrel]

where do the titans come in then?

[bold juniper]

It can be a multitude of things that could cause it to be corrupt

[bold juniper]

Weapons of war?

[untold totem]

Element's reaction

[mortal kestrel]

ohh I see

I didnt think titans were earthmade

[untold totem]

Nope

[mortal kestrel]

interesting

[untold totem]

It is made by element itself... With some earth biomass

[lime forge]

Pollution from the Tek war is what created the corruption. Whether that created the element hivemind or not we don’t know.

[mortal kestrel]

so it would be cool if arkII bosses were like, aratian? aratic? titans

[untold totem]

We don't know that the "hivemind" is even a thing

[tropic crag]

Yeah we do

[mortal kestrel]

I doubt it made the element hivemind, one would assume that if element even has a hivemind, it would be native with the materials creation

[bold juniper]

I’m pretty sure some humans are gonna want tek back

[elfin pumice]

Will there be obelisks like in ark 1?

[bold juniper]

No

[mortal kestrel]

well thats if they even know about it

[mortal kestrel]

no, arkII is on a planet, not an ark

[elfin pumice]

So how will stransfering work?

[mortal kestrel]

if it even will

[untold totem]

Citation Needed

All I heard about this "hivemind" is from spartan

[mortal kestrel]

you can see it in the behavior of corrupted creatures, no?

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the original lore writer confirmed it

[untold totem]

Nope

[bold juniper]

That’s corrupted element tho

[tropic crag]

This too

[bold juniper]

Behaving for the titans?

[tropic crag]

Corrupted or not, it is a hivemind

[mortal kestrel]

though I do find it curious that stuff like manas and snow owls can coexist with element

[bold juniper]

Are they two separate hivemeinds then

[untold totem]

See Snow Owl dossier on why

[tropic crag]

The fact that it chose to treat itself like a weapon and wage war on humanity is evidence enough

[lime forge]

I mean king titan and Rockwell are considered “hivemind pillars”

[mortal kestrel]

it could be whatever causes element to corrupt also causes it to "break away" from its native hivemind, and form its own with similar corrupted element

[tropic crag]

Because it was treated as a weapon by us first

[bold juniper]

That’s why tamable element creatures wouldn’t be affected by pillar controls

[tropic crag]

The element infused creatures have a way to filter out element that we can't really grasp, hence why they aren't corrupted by it like say a spino or rex would

[ivory bone]

🦖🤬

[tropic crag]

Very helpful

[mortal kestrel]

I wonder if its the element they are bonded with keeping them safe from corrupted element

like, its bonded element acting as like a mini obelisk for the creature

[bold juniper]

Wait are ice titan and them evil or just king titan

Because you can tame them

[mortal kestrel]

the king titan is the one thats natively evil

the other titans are corrupted

[tropic crag]

Perhaps, some theories suggest that their strange abilities and the use of those abilities are tied to the way that they filter element, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that the good element in them protects them in a symbiosis of sorts

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

if we do get bosses similar to titans in arat

I want a giant dragon titan boss

would be epic

my thoughts is maybe us crashing into arat and violently changing the planets eco system stirs up a defensive response in the planets "native" element

[bold juniper]

Magma titan and you have to clog it’s vents to overheat it

[mortal kestrel]

which would cause it to form titans similar to what happened on earth

[bold juniper]

But does arat naturally have eke

[tropic crag]

No one knows for sure, but there's a note that says the element nodes on them receive signals from the king titan that command them to do things, and lord over their respective habitats. Most likely, the lesser titans are the test bosses for their respective proto-arks

[bold juniper]

Cus earth didn’t

[mortal kestrel]

I used native in quotes for a reason

[tropic crag]

🤷‍♂️

[mortal kestrel]

its very likely arat has element before we get there

but the planet forming with element? probably not

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I am very attached to the idea that the Aratai possibly made element, and it sent them back to the stone age like it did to us

[mortal kestrel]

its certainly an interesting concept

but then why is arat so healthy?

if arat went through an element apocalypse like earth, wouldnt it also be desolate and ready to make like reach?

[tropic crag]

Would make sense if the element left afterwards, or their "Genesis Ship/Reseed Protocol" was to catapult it into space

[mortal kestrel]

I dont see why element would though

[tropic crag]

Our last ditch effort worked, why wouldn't theirs?

[mortal kestrel]

did it though?

we arent on earth anymore after all

[tropic crag]

Earth is healthy again, albeit primitive

And with dinosaurs and such now

"Earth, now with DINOSAURS™️!"

[mortal kestrel]

and if arat doesnt have element, why would rockwell want to be heading towards it?

like, didnt he almost have the entire ship taken over by time we managed to blow him up?

[lavish rain]

He wants living things to

[mortal kestrel]

yeah but if thats all he wanted, why not stay on earth

[tropic crag]

Yeah, he (the element) kinda seemed to want a world teeming with life to corrupt and further his (it's) main goal of taking over the universe

[untold ingot]

Rockwell picked arat put of all the other planets. It kind of makes sense that arat is the homeplace of element

[mortal kestrel]

I dont know about home place

but its likely arat at least has some connection to elements origin

[tropic crag]

Definitely either home planet/birthplace via Aratai or just another planet that it ravaged and/or landed on

[untold ingot]

As far as why arat looks healthy, element was actively trying to destroy earth. It would have no reason to actively try to destroy its home

[mortal kestrel]

fair point

but I feel like arat being the straight up birthplace of element is too easy

[tropic crag]

That too, the civilization on Arat hasn't had time to develop weapons out of it and wage war for years on end

[mortal kestrel]

after all, we blew up the ship before it got to its final destination

[untold ingot]

Perhaps element has a similar type of life form as that of homodeus and was trying to eradicate humans before they could challenge them

[tropic crag]

Arat was the final destination

[mortal kestrel]

so Im hesitant to say arat is elements origin

but I could believe it does at least serve a key role in elements creation

[untold ingot]

Could be

[mortal kestrel]

its just too easy to straight up say arat is the origin

[lavish rain]

Like what? Element sobriety test?

[untold ingot]

I believe it is a step closer to the origin, if nothing else

[mortal kestrel]

hell, the aratai dont even look like they've been exposed to element at all

[mortal kestrel]

yeahhh

a step closer

[untold ingot]

Their biology could naturally include element

[tropic crag]

That makes me think more that element hasn't been used by the native creatures and species there because they aren't advanced enough, but maybe there is, in fact, a meteor of it that landed there too

[lavish rain]

Or because they are too stupid to use it

[tropic crag]

Which is something I never considered in my original theory

[mortal kestrel]

but if that was the case, wouldnt they be lowkey super soldiers and not struggling to fight crome dome mcgee over here?

[untold ingot]

I don't see why they would be any stronger

[lavish rain]

I'm also convinced that an iq of like 95 would be like a 140 iq to us

[mortal kestrel]

the aratai ambushed vindiagos party after all... why bother if they were stronger

[lavish rain]

They could theoretically learn things such as driving

[mortal kestrel]

I dont see why they wouldnt be honestly

[lavish rain]

Anti tek party

[untold ingot]

Element doesn't make things stronger

[tropic crag]

[untold ingot]

Corrupted dilos are no stronger than normal dilos

[tropic crag]

Not inherently, anyways

[mortal kestrel]

maybe not directly, but it certainly does seem to indirectly improve things it comes into contact with

[lavish rain]

Corrupt dilos can destroy tek, normal ones cany

[mortal kestrel]

yeah but those are also corrupted dilos

the element wouldnt be interested in making its host stronger if that host is just a means to an end

[tropic crag]

Non-corrupted element, yes

[mortal kestrel]

I mean, the extinction tames certainly wouldnt be as good as they are with the element they are bonded with

[tropic crag]

Also this is literally what I said and you aren't helping, go sober up 😂

[untold ingot]

Alternatively, astrodelphis eat element and they aren't naturally stronger than anything else

[lavish rain]

No u didn't say that

[mortal kestrel]

I mean, literally space dolphins and space whales

dont think much else needs to be said there

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, but that may have been by careful experimentation by humans pre-Ark saga, we still don't know how they do those things

[mortal kestrel]

and if they are eating element, why would element want to empower those creatures?

[lavish rain]

... because it's the host

[mortal kestrel]

but then they wouldnt be eating element

eating as in actively hunting it

but I doubt element doesnt affect astro creatures at all... they are, after all, quite literally living in space

[lavish rain]

Ig it comes down to how element corrupts the host, and as Bruce said I need to find a way to get sober

[tropic crag]

They don't actively hunt it, that's just the taming method. They eat normal meat after tame, and I highly doubt them eating element is more than a game mechanic to tie them behind the resource tbh

[mortal kestrel]

fair

[tropic crag]

They can't even be fed element post-tame

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

that being said, it is curious that they live in space

[tropic crag]

As for them being literal whales in space, that's just sci-fi, baby

[mortal kestrel]

maybe its because they are enhanced by element in some way that they become fond of people who feed them element

[tropic crag]

They're a concept in like 95% of sci-fi space literature

[mortal kestrel]

true

I wonder if tek wyverns are connected with elements origins

..maybe astro creatures are too, as they are also kind of everywhere

[lavish rain]

It's probably like candy to humans, no nutritional value, but we love it

[tropic crag]

Those are just guardians of the Genesis Ship, they're made by the ship

[mortal kestrel]

oh I see

well astro creatures are in every system we visit in gen2 as well

which unless those are also ship made, would mean they are likely as widespread as element

[lime forge]

God I hope Astrodelphis make it to Ark 2

[lavish rain]

That one's a no for me fam

[lime forge]

Your opinions are suffering from a 90% validation debuff until you complete a 1 long rest.

[mortal kestrel]

well, astrocetus are made by the simulation since they are in the lunar biome

but its possible they were just inspired by astrodelphis

[tropic crag]

Element being in the space biome at least every once in a while does seem to confirm it isn't unique to Earth's solar system, and the fact that there's astrodelphis in most (if not all) of the systems we travel between during our journey to fight Rockwell seems to hint the same

[mortal kestrel]

honestly same, I adore glowy things

[lime forge]

It’s also possible they existed and were discovered at some point. Leading them to be added to the simulation

[tropic crag]

Also the cetus are from space too, they appear during the element dust phase I believe

Their inclusion in the sim is probably just for fun for the ship inhabitants

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

which makes me curious if astrodelphis are related to elements origin in some way

maybe astro creatures help spread it or something

[mortal kestrel]

oh i see, I honestly never noticed that

[lime forge]

Me to. They can scrap the saddles for all I care. I’ll ride bare back.

[mortal kestrel]

from the dossier

"The crew saw one of those creatures swimming in the interstellar medium, and named it astrodelphis -- 'space dolphin'.
Someone aboard figured out how to tame and ride them -- guess they must've had a lot of time on their hands."

which would mean they most likely did not come from the ship

[tropic crag]

Perhaps, would certainly get my goat if they delved deeper into the space creatures (and maybe the remains of the rest of the Genesis ship) with a lunar DLC based on Arat's moon

Obviously far down the line

[mortal kestrel]

I'd love a lunar dlc eventually

the lifeboat of the genesis ship blew up in proximity to the moon

so i certainly see it having some value to the story later on down the line

[tropic crag]

With an actual space suit, not power armor lol

[mortal kestrel]

meh

[tropic crag]

Would be sick if, in the lunar DLC, we can float up to the bits of it that aren't moored in the moon itself

[mortal kestrel]

if we do get to the moon, I think it should be through the use of some alien creature, rather than technological methods

so the game can still keep its relative primitive feel without handicapping the story

[tropic crag]

I don't think the whole game, DLCs and all, should stay primarily primitive forever, per se

[mortal kestrel]

I agree

[tropic crag]

The moon also looks suspiciously like a gas giant though, to me

[mortal kestrel]

but it also shouldnt be tek in the way arkI was either

[tropic crag]

Maybe bits of the Gen ship are just floating in it, and that's the map

[mortal kestrel]

that tek is what made element want to destroy earth in the first place, after all

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure, 100% agree

[mortal kestrel]

I think if tek does return further down the line, it should return via biological enhancement

[lime forge]

I would be ok with just bits and pieces of tek to come later in the games life.

Like maybe a malfunctioning chest piece from the wreckage that is only capable of short bursts every now and then.

[mortal kestrel]

I think it would be cool if the player could bio engineer themselves with element to enhance skills they've gotten in the skill tree

[tropic crag]

Becoming cyborgs could be neat

[lime forge]

I’d so bioengineer myself to be able to throw fireballs

[untold ingot]

Astrocetus are also in space, and they aren't made by the ship

[tropic crag]

🤣

[mortal kestrel]

yeah we been over that

I'd bioengineer myself with mobility

to the surprise of absolutely no one

[untold ingot]

There is a lot to read lol

[mortal kestrel]

yes

we've been theory crafting about elements role in arkIIs story

[untold ingot]

A gas giant moon... Yeah that actually can't happen

It's probably just a thick atmosphere

[mortal kestrel]

true

the gas would just go to arat if thats all the moon was made of

[tropic crag]

Theorycrafting is a female dog (since that word isn't allowed also the term is in jest don't shoot me)

[mortal kestrel]

the moon kind of looked like earths moon in the water reflection seen in the second arkII trailer

[tropic crag]

True

[untold ingot]

I am envisioning just an oxygen atmosphere, that they somehow explain away

[tropic crag]

There is two moons, at least we think they're moons

[untold ingot]

If earth were to have a constant cloud cover, it would look like that from the moon though

[mortal kestrel]

wait really?

woah arats sky at night is going to look so prettyyyy

[untold ingot]

Giant celestial bodies in orbit around something that isn't a star, that's basically the definition of moons lol

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I forgot about clouds and atmospheres because I'm tired lol

[tropic crag]

Well, I meant like the fact that they look bigger than Arat and Arat may be in orbit of them, ya know?

They may be the planet(s)

[mortal kestrel]

thats also not physically possible

[untold ingot]

There was no really good pov for determining that in any of the clips

[lime forge]

You can’t just be a human Managarmr

[untold ingot]

Why not?

[tropic crag]

Neither is element to our knowledge lol

[tropic crag]

There is in the Gen 2 ascension

Kind of

[mortal kestrel]

because of how planet creation works

[untold ingot]

It is possible to have a habitable moon in orbit around a planet. Titan in our solar system is a good example of that

[untold ingot]

I'll have to watch it again

[tropic crag]

[untold ingot]

Even the best astrophysicists today can't make a consistent model for how planets form. To a degree it is all speculation

[mortal kestrel]

moons happen because they are typically either astroids caught in a planets atmosphere, or a piece of a planet that has been broken off into orbit

but two full on planets cannot form close enough to be in orbit while also orbiting a star, they are simply too big

[untold ingot]

That's not exactly true. There are cases of binary gas giants in extrasolar systems

[bold juniper]

Umm I wouldn’t say anything is impossible

[tropic crag]

Yeh

[mortal kestrel]

if anything, arats rotation and orbit would be stalled entirely so it would be tidally locked with its "moon" and it would always be on the side of the moon closest to the systems sun

[mint swan]

Hola

[lime forge]

I feel like we don’t know enough about the universe or the limits of it to argue for or against either option here.

[mortal kestrel]

yeah I know the moon wouldnt be a moon in this scenenrio, Im calling it a moon for convenience

[tropic crag]

[untold ingot]

That's actually rare that that happens

[bold juniper]

I’m pretty sure you can have two or Panera orbiting if the main planet is massive

[tropic crag]

Panera

[bold juniper]

My bad

[tropic crag]

I'd kill for Panera mac and cheese rn

[untold ingot]

Only certain distances of orbit actually cause 1:1 tidelock

[mortal kestrel]

but not close enough to the star that life would be possible

[tropic crag]

Thanks for that

[bold juniper]

Depends on the star

Some permeat heat further and stronger than our own

[lime forge]

That being said. It’s fiction so we can for sure have 2 planets orbiting each other and a sun, both just chock full of dinosaurs and survivors that can throw fireballs.

[tropic crag]

😂

[bold juniper]

Aren’t their two star solar systems

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

there* btw

[bold juniper]

I don’t see how two planets orbiting another can be that crazy then

[untold ingot]

Okay, I can see it. The other planet definitely looks bigger in the gen2 ascention

[tropic crag]

Binary, trinary, plenty of types of solar systems

[tropic crag]

It do tho, don't it?

[untold ingot]

That is mainly determined by the planet structure itself

[bold juniper]

Artistic listener app exist

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but this is entirely different than planets

[mortal kestrel]

the difference is that with two stars, the center of mass of the solar system is is between the stars

for a planet to orbit another planet, it would have to be far enough from the stars gravitational pull that the planet isnt affected by it in a significant way, while also not getting pulled into its hosts atmosphere

[bold juniper]

Sounds like a moon but bigger

[mortal kestrel]

and bigger is the key word here

[bold juniper]

They could orbit each other and the star would pull on the center between them

[mortal kestrel]

bigger would mean much further away

[bold juniper]

Depends on their orbital speed keeping them

In place

[untold ingot]

Or, like titan...

All the planet needs is a mass large enough to have a decent jeans mass to keep its atmosphere, and to have or be in a strong magnetic field to keep the radiation from frying everything

Earth creates its own, jupiter provides one for titan

[mortal kestrel]

but it would be highly improbably to have a planet sized moon while also being in your stars goldilocks zone

[bold juniper]

But what if the base planet being orbited is massive

[untold ingot]

Again, this depends more on the planet than anything

[mortal kestrel]

then it the planet sized moon would probably fall into the planets atmosphere, or be pulled out of orbit by the stars gravity during one of the planets seasons

[bold juniper]

No

[mortal kestrel]

Im just saying its rather unlikely

[untold ingot]

There is no well defined habitable zone for planets. Loads of different configurations of planets moons and geological properties can create adequate scenarios for earthlike life

[bold juniper]

It’s just ridiculous to say the dual planet orbit is impossible

Because we simply don’t know enough to claim 100 percent anything

[untold ingot]

Again, dual planet systems have been observed. I actually took data down for one of them

[mortal kestrel]

anyway, arats moons dont even look bigger than arat

[untold ingot]

They don't have to. The possibility of such a system, while improbable isn't really much less probable than the earth existing with a single tide locked moon

[mortal kestrel]

well unless arat is massive as fuck, I wouldnt call its moons planets any more than pluto is called a planet these days

[untold ingot]

At that point it is mostly semantics

Call it a planetoid if it helps.

[stray elm]

Well, star-citizen isn't on Xbox.

[mortal kestrel]

Im not saying arats moons cant be habitable

[untold ingot]

The reason pluto isn't called a planet anymore is mostly a political reason and to help elementary education to not have to teach kids about the 27 new planets

[mortal kestrel]

Im just saying arats moons arent planets

unless arat is genuinely massive as fuck

[stray elm]

Arat 'is' the moon

[mortal kestrel]

I wouldnt even say that

I literally just rewatched the alpha cutscene

[untold ingot]

It's a matter of definition. We call the Moon a moon instead of a planet only because it orbits the earth

[mortal kestrel]

that moon definitely does not look bigger than arat

[stray elm]

I have also.

[untold ingot]

The curvature on arats horizon looks more pronounced than the curvature on the other planet

[mortal kestrel]

well no

the moon isnt really planet sized either, it would be an astroid if it wasnt orbiting earth

[stray elm]

The planet the ship was 'actually' going to was like 5x bigger then Arat.
And they're close enough together that Arat would have to be within the main-planets gravitational pole to not be colliding with the other planet.

[untold ingot]

The moon is nearly mercury sized

[stray elm]

Hard to know measurements when we don't have references to others. But Arat is 100% smaller then the main planet.

[untold ingot]

And we call mercury a planet

[mortal kestrel]

not from what I saw

[stray elm]

Bruh

Then you need to rewatch not only the ending, but the fight also

[untold ingot]

There is no size requirement to be a planet other than hydrostatic equilibrium

[stray elm]

We literally 'pass' Arat.
The planet is a lot more smaller then the main one.

[untold ingot]

The Moon is a moon only because it orbits the earth and not the sun

[stray elm]

Yep.

So Arat, if orbiting this other planet. Would be a moon.

[untold ingot]

Again, it's all semantics. With a different solar system, the planet formation can be totally different

There is nothing fundamentally different from a moon than a planet

[stray elm]

Wanna know something funny I discovered?

[untold ingot]

Sure

[mortal kestrel]

yeah fair

but it doesnt look like its orbiting the moon though

[untold ingot]

If they are the same size, technically they are both planets, and both moons

[mortal kestrel]

sure we are closer to arat in the alpha cutscene

but there's no way that the moon the ships lifeboat blew up near is bigger than arat

[stray elm]

Sorry, your bullshittery made me crash my Discord

[mortal kestrel]

that or your own short mindedness

[untold ingot]

No need to make it personal

[stray elm]

What I was referring to is the actual 'fight'
Once Rockwell reaches phase-2, you see the planets.
We pass Arat, and it's pretty tiny compared to the main planet that the ship is heading towards.

[mortal kestrel]

it could be because we were closer to what the ship was headed towards than arat

but in the cutscene, arat most definitely looks bigger

[stray elm]

We where kind of skimming the underside of Arat

[tropic crag]

The ship was going to Arat lol

[untold ingot]

Arat is what we land on, isn't it

[stray elm]

Nope, it passed it in the fight

[stray elm]

Yes, but not where the ship officially crashed.

[mortal kestrel]

yes

its why the orc people in the arkII trailer are called aratai

[tropic crag]

Because it was derelict, at that point?

[mortal kestrel]

and hell the girl even calls the planet arat in the second trailer

[stray elm]

Or the other planet was the actual planet the ship found. 🤷‍♂️

[mortal kestrel]

true, rockwell wouldnt really be focused on navigating it when we are kicking his ass tbf

[untold ingot]

I mean, in any case the naming system used for arat isn't scientifically accurate, I do remember one is called arat prime right?

[stray elm]

Oh, as I was saying Raq

We've been using the term 'solar-systems' wrong, apparently.

[tropic crag]

No, Arat Prime is the launch station on Earth

[mortal kestrel]

I rewatched the fight, and arat still looks bigger tbh

[tropic crag]

For the Gen ship

[untold ingot]

What do you mean?

[mortal kestrel]

yeah ^

[untold ingot]

Right

[mortal kestrel]

arat prime is the gen2 ships launch sight

so the planet arat was likely named after arat prime

[stray elm]

They're properly called 'star-systems'
The name 'solar-system' is the name of our specific 'star-system.'
"Sol" is the name of our sun, which apparently we named our star-system after. Which is why it's called the 'Solar-system'

[tropic crag]

That's just semantics

[mortal kestrel]

though it should be noted Micca (I think thats the girls name anyway) pronounced arat "ah-rot"

[stray elm]

AHH!! RAT!

[tropic crag]

Ask literally anyone, they'll tell you that they refer to other star-systems as solar-systems

[mortal kestrel]

^

as one who does a lot of research into astronomy, can confirm

[tropic crag]

Meeka but yeah, it's pronounced weird

Arat that is

[mortal kestrel]

but we also call other planet satellites "moons" even though the term moon refers specifically to earths satellite

so meh, science

[mortal kestrel]

close enough

[stray elm]

After also discovering that our moon has a legit name. I've made it my oath to only refer to her as name.

Cause 'the moon' is so fucking lackluster.

[mortal kestrel]

yeah its luna

and earths legit name is terra

[stray elm]

Yeah.
Short for 'Lunar' which......also means 'moon'

[mortal kestrel]

yes

terra also means earth

they are latin

[stray elm]

So, are we on Earth or Terra?

[mortal kestrel]

both are technically correct, as Terra is just earth in latin

[stray elm]

Ahhh, so it's the good old 'yes' answer

[mortal kestrel]

but anyway, yeah "moon" actually refers specifically to earths satellite

other planet moons are called satellites and not moons

[untold ingot]

It's just a definition

And definitions aren't science lol

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[fossil yacht]

Does anybody know if there is going to be an Abberation-style map in Ark II?

[potent hull]

there is no new on ark 2 yet look for it next month on 5th

[blissful perch]

I’m down for going underground and to the sea as DLC content

[untold ingot]

I would be down for a total ocean map as a dlc.

[open mulch]

I can't wait for ark 2 it's gonna be awesome (I hope)

[spring smelt]

wildcard have a 100% rate on messing up games and you gonna have to wait 1-2 years until they patch the half of the bugs maybe we are in luck and we can enjoy the ark I engine again xD

[blissful perch]

if you enjoy ark 1 and play it a lot...

is that 100% chance messing it up?

[spring smelt]

yes its buggy as hell

and they dont even fixing that

[vernal dagger]

its a whole different team building the game on a much better engine and foundation

ark 1 was built with a small team and horrendous code

same as their other game

stop being so negative

give them a chance

[spring smelt]

im just saying it was a 100% rate hopefully they learned with the history becouse if they dont do it we have to becouse the 100% rate would be there still

[vernal dagger]

first off it is no where near 100%

[blissful perch]

but like...is a buggy product you play a lot a messed up game? Honest question

[spring smelt]

they only have 2 games

[vernal dagger]

the 2 game

games they have are built on the same terrible code

which is what makes them so buggy

its beyond fixable

ark 2 has a 90% of success

[spring smelt]

atlas was literally 4 years early acces but for an price of an tripple a title

[vernal dagger]

atlas was a cash grab

[spring smelt]

ye

imagine hoping for something that a cash grabbing company is making

[vernal dagger]

every company was money hungry at some point

they've made their mistakes

[spring smelt]

so

[fallow niche]

Atlas wasn't Wildcard either. Just fyi.

[stray elm]

Atlas wasn't developed by Wildcard, but a separate studio that the head of Wildcard went to for a time.
Iirr also, if this article was telling the truth. Atlas was the byproduct of Snail-games (the company that owns Wildcard) to want to make another product like ARK due to how successful it was.
Which if that was true, then the blame goes more towards Snail-Games.

[spring smelt]

thats the thing why i hate todays games (the most of it) becouse people like you defend these games and companies dont have to care about the product

[fallow niche]

not what I said but alright. If you're going to rant about ark 1, politely move to #general or #ark-survival-ascended and keep this channel specifically on ark 2.

[spring smelt]

i dont talk aboutz ark I

if you would read

[stray elm]

[vernal dagger]

just sayin that ark 2 isnt being rushed nor has the same code or team

it looks promising

[fallow niche]

Exactly.

[blissful perch]

but ark 1 and possibly ark 2 will sell based on players buying it yea?

Is a game messed up if tons of people buy it? Most would consider that a fiscal success

[spring smelt]

yes

[blissful perch]

through what criteria would you consider a game "not messed up"?

[spring smelt]

just for an examble if you buy a car full price and you dont get doors and wheels and you have to wait years to get them is that messed up for you?

like you look on a picture and stats and there are wheels but the wheels are just fcking broken

they are cubes literally

is that normal for you? xD

[blissful perch]

if the car was one of the best selling cars, and people were reviewing the cars as having no wheels yet were still buying and using them...sounds like a success of some sort or another

[spring smelt]

there was a historical person in germany was he good in your eyes only becouse he had many followers O.o

[blissful perch]

try flipping it: what about the perfect car with 10,000 miles per gallon, fantastic acceleration, etc, but it sold once and didn't earn enough money to get produced anymore

is that a perfect product? or is it messed up?

[spring smelt]

everything useless becouse there are no heels

wheels

like wtf

if the essential doesnt work every extra dont help

if your brain dont work and your heart dont beat your bones can be as tough as they like

[blissful perch]

I'd argue if the essential doesn't work, people wouldn't buy it

[spring smelt]

ofc they do becouse they think its working

thats why i say the picture is showing wheels

but there are none

[blissful perch]

would you spend thousands of hours driving something that doesn't work and then still think it worked?

[spring smelt]

if i would be dumb

like you are the perfect examble of why gams getting ruined

[blissful perch]

ark's been out for seven years, and many people play it for hundreds or thousands of hours. We both surely agree it takes less than a couple to notice some pretty big bugs. So why is it being played and recommended so much to others?

[spring smelt]

Shifter — heute um 03:08 Uhr
ark's been out for seven years what has that to do with "RELEASING" a messed up game

and i said 1-2 year to fix the half of it

so after 7 years it should be mostly fixed

[blissful perch]

ah I see. I think ark is still insanely broken XD

[spring smelt]

it is

but not like in release

[blissful perch]

i sense ark 2 will have similar trouble

[fallow niche]

As it's been pointed out many times, it'll likely cost more to try to fix ark 1 than a whole new game at this point.

[spring smelt]

if they do the same stuff again it will be a messed up game in release and maybe they fix it so it is only broken xDDD

ye

[blissful perch]

sure, but ark 2 is no more safe than ark 1 in many respects to the same scope creep and fast content release schedule that likely complicated ark 1

[fallow niche]

I fell like they're being more careful, more teams working on it and seeming to take their time as well, not sharing things too early. I don't think it'll be as buggy as ark 1, but I'm not disagreeing with it having bugs.

[spring smelt]

is there ingame footage of it?

[fallow niche]

All we have is in the pins.

[blissful perch]

what would ingame footage prove about bugs

[fallow niche]

Nothing

[blissful perch]

no sane dev team will showcase game footage with bugs LOL

[spring smelt]

did i said "oh i need ingame footage to prove the state of an game release"

[blissful perch]

i'd hope you didn't

since that would be kinda wild XD

[spring smelt]

you dont have to hope if you just read

[untold ingot]

Ark1 code base was written in like 7 months by like 4 people. The majority of the rest of the code is added onto that. To fix ark1 would require an entire rework of the whole code base, basically for free because as of right now no one would buy ark all over again. They would expect the rework to be free. It would be a huge drain on the company and would very possibly make it impossible for them to make another game. Hence, ark2 instead of ark:remastered

[blissful perch]

not the question, but yes that's accurate

Robi is voicing concern that ark 2 will be bug filled like ark 1, which is valid

since we as the ark community strongly prefer content over polish

[untold ingot]

It will definitely be

But what game doesn't have bugs

[spring smelt]

how many people worked on fallout 76

[silver grove]

Not enough apparently

[spring smelt]

thats a good number

but probably more than for ark 1

[silver grove]

Thank you, thank you

Way more than Ark 1

[spring smelt]

so we need quality instead of quantity

[blissful perch]

*you

YOU need quality instead of quantity. The gaming community very strongly disagrees

[spring smelt]

yeah becouse the gaming community is not that smart and doesnt question the sht they get to eat

[blissful perch]

unlike food, a basic human need, games are fully elective entertainment lol

i can choose to just...not buy a game if i want polish and the game fails to deliver

[spring smelt]

i mean you either a smart fella or a fart smella

[untold ingot]

I mean alternatively you could just be happy to live in a time when a game like ark is even able to be made

[silver grove]

🤝

[untold ingot]

Please don't ask for personal information

[silver grove]

Please don't give personal information either 💀

[spring smelt]

i mean im just saying i let people that are 40 years old with high blood pressure and a smelly T-shirt in the internet win discussions becouse you cant win against a stone

[blissful perch]

i suppose you can declare yourself the winner whenever you'd like. I prefer to let the bystanders decide 🙂

[spring smelt]

ye i dont care about that so

[plucky anvil]

Soo what are we arguing over?

[silver grove]

Why does there always have to be a winner in a discussion when you could instead opt for a civil quality discussion 💀

[spring smelt]

im just saying dont defend your game blind say good and bad things about it becouse a game cant be good or bad its just a view of things

[blissful perch]

Robi has decided all gamers who buy ark 1 because it has bugs are making a mistake #explainanargumentbadly

[plucky anvil]

This^

[untold ingot]

I mean, shifter makes a good point. More money is made in quantity over quality. It is a byproduct of the consumerist mentality that a huge percentage of people in modern society have

[silver grove]

Thank you 🤝

[blissful perch]

civil discussion is itself a victory these days is it not?

[spring smelt]

Robi has decided all gamers who buy ark 1 because it has bugs are making a mistake #explainanargumentbadly what does that mean

[silver grove]

A victory that doesn't see to a loser. Its possible to win without it being at another's expense

[blissful perch]

it's also that people prefer cutting edge products or products they can contribute to (which early access tends to provide) when it comes to gaming

[spring smelt]

i just want to say that i dont believ in a good ark II release by comparing the history of ark I and the current games

[blissful perch]

well, you did say that, and people read it 🙂

[untold ingot]

Within that mentality is also the idea that people somehow deserve or merit better products than they have received or feel that they have received. That's what drives the whole culture at its core lol

[spring smelt]

and edgte products dont have the price of an tripple A title

[blissful perch]

well people always want more these days, can't argue with that

[spring smelt]

not these days all days thats why we have planes

[untold ingot]

Campaigning for better products doest actually make better products, just more of them

[plucky anvil]

Quality nor quantity is better. A kick ass game could come out but if there's not enough quantity to keep it updated the game will die. But if a game has a corp who doesn't care about the quality of the games releases a game and has a whole section of a company working on it the game will be crap and will die there's a fine balance you need and while ark 1 is buggy at least we don't have a fallout 76 situation

[silver grove]

A surplus of bullshit helps nobody

[blissful perch]

the market determines the amount of "bullshit" is my point lol

[untold ingot]

Someone gets paid for it

[blissful perch]

a crap game nobody buys is as dead as a legendary game nobody buys

[silver grove]

Then the people willing to pay for it plummet, you'll make something day one but after that, probably not. Unless it's CoD, those people will buy anything 💀

[spring smelt]

ye you are right i still remember the one game no one buyed in the past man it was good

what a legend

[blissful perch]

RIP the untold legendary games nobody bought

[untold ingot]

As long as money and paychecks are a thing, quantity will always trump quality because it is both faster and cheaper to make. That doesn't mean it can't be good also

[blissful perch]

hmm, there's something to the concept of maximizing quantity and minimizing quality. But if someone can make the same quantity at higher quality and outcompete you, you sell nada

[spring smelt]

now im actually confused either A all your arguments are stupid to confuse me and say hahaha it was all a parody or B i actually forgot what B wasshifter

[silver grove]

Lots of room for improvement in quantity over time, but with quality, if the quality just isn't enough it's probably not gonna get any better than it already is

[untold ingot]

Tbh though, Ue5 is good enough you can basically spit in the keyboard and make an okay game

[blissful perch]

LOL

[silver grove]

Code a game with just your spit 🤨

Speedrun

[plucky anvil]

Soo is ark 2 on xbox for 3 years?

[untold ingot]

Ark was successful mainly as a proof of concept. It showed that people enjoy this type of game and was coded at a time when almost nothing like it existed. Technology has definitely caught up, and I envision huge leaps in quality for ark2. They have had 8 years to think of how to do things better

[silver grove]

Yes

[spring smelt]

so basicly Ark I would be a nearly perfect game if they would fix everything and that would prove that wildcard know what they are doing and would give me hope for Ark II

[plucky anvil]

Welp I'm screwed

[untold ingot]

Early access will probably be 1 year, followed by a full release and then perpetual lifespan lol

[blissful perch]

oh yikes, disagree about bug free ark 1 being anywhere near perfect

[spring smelt]

hold on

[blissful perch]

ark 1 has hella design flaws lol

[silver grove]

Ark 2 will be on Xbox game pass for 3 years atleast and Ark 1 will probably never leave the game pass.

[plucky anvil]

Looks like im switching back to xbox

[untold ingot]

I am guessing you are a pvp player, because that is basically verbatum pvp you tuber propaganda lol

[blissful perch]

i turn around for two seconds...pvp propaganda? 😂 hold on

[spring smelt]

i hate early access becouse companies use this to manipulate wrong informed or not smart people becouse early access is not a to early released tripple a titel

[silver grove]

PvP Propaganda in history class today guys

[blissful perch]

early access triple A (and triple A in general) has fallen off hard over the years

[silver grove]

Hit up some battlefield 2042???

[blissful perch]

indie games are in large part defining the trends in gaming...see rust and ark pioneering the survival pvp gameplay

[untold ingot]

Just to be clear though, ark is not an AAA game

[blissful perch]

neither is ark 2 🙂

[stray elm]

Well, do we definitively know ARK-2 isn't?

[blissful perch]

ofc there's garbage indie games, as well as flat out scams. Can't deny it. But it's a net positive

[blissful perch]

Yes? WC ain't triple A

[plucky anvil]

Only triple a game I've seen "thrive" recently is Destiny 2 but bungie privately owns that now so

[stray elm]

True, but it's being helped by Grove-street, which is triple-A if I recall

[spring smelt]

not rly but i want to play pvp becouse it is a feature in the game and i want the whole exp for this game but like i said i dont enjoy it that much becouse its broken and bad balanced the time you have to invest doesnt make even sence and dont come up with realism and earning thing becouse there is literally a lore for why it is not real and its not earning if you just wait do the exact same thing over and over

[untold ingot]

I am 90% sure ark2 isn't AAA, I am just hoping Vin diesel being in it doesn't ruin quality for prestige

[silver grove]

I would've preferred no Vin Diesel but I mean I won't say anything bad until I get to see it in game

[spring smelt]

it will be treated like a AAA game becouse it cost 60$

[silver grove]

100 bucks take it or leave it

[untold ingot]

There is no price announced for ark2, and ark1 definitely didn't cost $60

[blissful perch]

ark 1 EA was around 20 iirc

[silver grove]

Ark 1 was like 20 ,30 max for me.

[stray elm]

"Studio Wildcard was founded in 2014 with the mission of bringing AAA quality to ambitious indie productions designed for core gamers."
So their motive is to bring AAA quality stuff to an Indie production?

[spring smelt]

atlas actually was an idea to be an ark dlc and it was 60$

like they would take all your money your hair and blood if they could

[untold ingot]

As has been stated before, atlas is not wildcard

[blissful perch]

nobody is taking anything lol, people are BUYING these games

[silver grove]

Ark 1 was money well spent

[blissful perch]

you wait about...six hours or so after release and you can read reviews that tell you about a game before you purchase it

[stray elm]

Also, I don't remember Atlas ever being 60$ USD.
Game is still in Early-Access, so I don't even think they 'can' market that high.

[spring smelt]

basicly greedy companies with an community that only defend and not compare with other games critique mistakes and and praise good things dont get the learning curve

[blissful perch]

same will be true for ark 2. If someone is a bozo who buys on launch while not being sure, plays the entire two hours of refund period, then cries...idk what to tell them

[untold ingot]

Currently it is $30, and I don't ever recall seeing it higher

[blissful perch]

I defend WC when they're being rational and frequently express concern or distaste when they make choices I dislike

I apologize for not being the white knight you dream me to be 😦

[untold ingot]

I mean, wanting to make a living wage isn't being greedy. But maybe that is just me

[stray elm]

After pre-ordering Mass Effect Andromeda, I made a oath to never pre-order or day-one buy a game unless they show enough gameplay to satisfy me, or reviews from non-official sources (fuck IGN)

[blissful perch]

oh yea IGN kinda fell off lol. They had a good run while it lasted

[spring smelt]

so how do you like the choice that ark dont get patches and bug fixes

[untold ingot]

It's a good policy to have lol

[plucky anvil]

Im just happy they haven't abandoned an important part of their history like Respawn did

[untold ingot]

It does get patches and bug fixes though

[blissful perch]

I purchased the game in 2015 with the expectation that it was possible to never get another update. That is how I always buy early access titles

[silver grove]

People who pre-ordered Battlefield 2042:

[untold ingot]

2042 isn't terrible now, it just had a bad enough start that it doesn't have people playing

[lavish rain]

Same with no man's sky

[silver grove]

I know they fixed a ton of shit now but my god that launch was ass

[untold ingot]

Nms is quite frankly amazing

[blissful perch]

I preordered NMS and refused to refund because I saw mad potential in that game that was muddied by cluelessly horrible marketing lol

[spring smelt]

internet historian has a great video about that

i love it

[silver grove]

I might check it out lol

[untold ingot]

Yup. It definitely is a huge point to the whole release matters a lot. 2042 is way better now than cods most recent title, but it lacks the playerbase because of a bad launch

[stray elm]

Still hate how they have pre-made characters, instead of being able to choose from an actual class

[untold ingot]

Hopefully ark2 doesn't have the same issue

[blissful perch]

bad launch can be devastating, but ark 2 should be protected because it has SP and unofficial

[silver grove]

I hope not but call me an idiot but regardless I will definitely be buying the game

[untold ingot]

I have no doubt that it will be amazing, but hopefully it is being delayed enough that the launch will live upt to expectations

[blissful perch]

official can die and it's not world ending

[untold ingot]

Me too lol, even if it isn't everything I expect it to be I appreciate wildcards stuff so far to be willing to give it a go

[silver grove]

Atleast it's not elder scrolls 6. The expectations and anticipation are so high that its impossible to reach any of that

[plucky anvil]

There will never be another game like oblivion

[untold ingot]

I don't even know what that is tbh

[silver grove]

I'm willing to stick to it and buy it day 1 just because I'm a fan of Wildcards work

[silver grove]

I've played Skyrim, not Oblivion but I've watched many videos on it. I doubt we will get anything like it again but I am hopeful

[plucky anvil]

I think the expectations for Bethesda have gotten to high for their own good

[spring smelt]

i never buyed a game pre release or near release the only time i bought a game on release day was eldenring becouse i played darksouls I II III and it was a good release and well supported

[plucky anvil]

Like ID software games are always hyped but they I don't think they've ever overhyped a game to thr point where they can't live up to expectations

[blissful perch]

speaking of buggy games people love

[silver grove]

So true. But like Ark 2, I'm buying it anyway. I loved Skyrim too much to not atleast try it out.

[spring smelt]

normaly i wait years and watch yt vids about it time to time to see the state of it

[plucky anvil]

True im definitely buying ark w either way the only thing i don't like so far is 3rd person only

[plucky anvil]

I don't see how you do that man I'd forget the game exists

[spring smelt]

i mean i love ark and you can love buggy and messed up games

[spring smelt]

me too but sometimes you get random stuff or hear about it

[silver grove]

I'd like the option but I don't mind it that much, I'll try it out for sure

I want Chibi events in Ark 2 🤌🏻

[plucky anvil]

Let us ps players know what it's like to play

[plucky anvil]

Best part of ark hands down no questions asked

[spring smelt]

i will buy ark II if it is proven that it is not completly broken and playable xD if there are flying megalodons and idk my inv dissapear becouse i tame something or idk i would not touch it

[silver grove]

Of course, I will enlighten people if I can. I just wish everyone could play it. And have it cross platform so there's no restrictions on who can play with eachother

[blissful perch]

and you are entitled to do that 🙂

[spring smelt]

to do what

[silver grove]

Amen

[blissful perch]

not buy the game if you feel it isn't worth buying

[spring smelt]

crossplay would be great

[fallow niche]

Crossplay sounds like it's coming already, thanks to mod.io

[plucky anvil]

The only problem with that would be mods

[fallow niche]

For Microsoft and Steam

[fallow niche]

Nope, mod.io is allowing cross-platform mods.

[plucky anvil]

Sony though

They wouldn't allow that

[spring smelt]

so there are communitys mods and server is ther something combined? i know there is but dead or weird and im just thinking maybe i missed something

[fallow niche]

Ark2 isn't slated to join Sony though atm anyway.

[plucky anvil]

True

[fallow niche]

Don't know yet. All known info is in the pins, including mod.io

[spring smelt]

i mean in ark I

[silver grove]

True but like, I want all my friends to be included and it would make for an awesome community experience if everyone in the discord could play with eachother to some degree. I care more about the community than the game itself 💀

[fallow niche]

Ark 1 has mods via steam workshop. This is about Ark 2.

[silver grove]

Welcome lmao

[spring smelt]

i know

[fallow niche]

Then make sure to pick a role and use the recruitment channel.

[spring smelt]

are you doing the same

[fallow niche]

Not in this channel no.

[plucky anvil]

I don't think ark2 will come to ps honestly if it does it'll be a botched version of it like with fallout new Vegas or minecraft

[blissful perch]

tbh what are you doing with a PS expecting indie games

not to be rude, but Sony is known for being exclusive both ways

[silver grove]

Nah I'm here because I wanted to engage with the community. It's a fun experience

[plucky anvil]

I agree im not a ps fanboy or anything I just don't like xbox controllers if I'm being completely honest

[silver grove]

I would be upset, everyone should be included even though Xbox has better controllers 🤫

[blissful perch]

just plug a PS controller in :p

[plucky anvil]

Does that work?

[spring smelt]

i cant find the right channel :c

[fallow niche]

#735196255483068497

[blissful perch]

why wouldn't it? Ark 1 should allow it. You just need a USB connector for the PS controller

unsure if wireless works tho, haven't tried that

[fallow niche]

I don't think ps controllers work with xbox or vice versa

[blissful perch]

no, but they do on PC

[plucky anvil]

Sony isn't gonna allow a bunch of things they've been alot more open than they have in the past but they're not just gonna suddenly allow mods or official crossplay

[silver grove]

My controller on pc gonna be a modded watermelon

[plucky anvil]

I'm to broke for a pc

I'm in a band I don't make any money

[silver grove]

Mods on skyrim for ps were so ass 😭

[fallow niche]

I am looking forward to meeting up with my Microsoft friends again if Ark2 allows for crossplay between it and Steam

[silver grove]

🤝 Love to hear it

[fallow niche]

Back to Ark2 on that.

[plucky anvil]

Agreed

[valid apex]

Farming Simulator, Skyrim, Fallout 4, Snowrunner.. all on PS with mods. Mods are not impossible.. Just depends on what the mods are. Console has more restrictions. Scripted mods or branded mods are not allowed, nudity etc..

[plucky anvil]

Sony doesn't allow mods that use custom assets which are 90% of the fun ones

On xbox you can at least get custom weapons, enemies, maps, etc

[valid apex]

Snowrunner and Farming simulator have custom assets for console mods. Again. Not impossible. I believe it has something to do with how the devs implement the mods into the game. FS for example tests every mod before they are released. So the mods are officially released by Giants. Not sure if Bethesda does that for their console mods.

[plucky anvil]

Does ps support custom mods for snow runner and farm sim? I know xbox does but ps is alott more strict

[valid apex]

I think Snowrunner does. But they can’t have brands like Ford, Chevy etc.. Farm Sim for sure does.

Again limited by brands that aren’t affiliated with Farm sim. But they just relabel the brand name to Lizard.

[fallow niche]

Maybe switch this to #general and bring this back to ark2, as I had asked before.

[crisp drift]

i might buy ark 2 on PlayStation cause ark was my childhood game that i played all day with friends and i wanna relive that but ill have to wait till early 2023 🥲

[fallow niche]

Nope. Ark2 will not release on PS at launch.

Have to wait longer for Sony.

[valid apex]

I read something today that MS paid to have Ark2 on Gamepass for 15 years?! Is that accurate? And does that imply exclusivity for 15 years?

[fallow niche]

15 years

3 years

It'll be on Gamepass for 3 years supposedly

[valid apex]

Phew and that’s why I avoid Twitter. Lol. That seemed a little crazy. Ark 5 should be out by then.

[fallow niche]

I'd just block whatever source said that and let it disappear, telling those lies 😂😂

3 years for Gamepass, I wish they'd give a rough estimate of cost for Steam and Microsoft (just on console or win10 without gamepass)

[crisp drift]

well i didnt say it would come out on launch… i just said ill buy it when it does…if it does

[valid apex]

Probably easier to delete Twitter lol

[fallow niche]

You kind of did by saying you'll have to wait until early 2023, the rough release date/assumed release date, but alright if I misread.

[crisp drift]

i dont think it’ll take three years to release on ps though.. cause ark 1 came out like a few days after its launch

[fallow niche]

It released on PS a year and a half after it was already out on Microsoft and Steam once it was done with beta.

[crisp drift]

still

[fallow niche]

If it's a timed exclusive with Microsoft and Steam, it won't come to PS until that deal is finished.

We just do not know when that will be.

It being on Gamepass for 3 years doesn't mean it's exclusive for 3 years, but at launch we do know that it will be. So at least 3-6 months to a year minimum.

[crisp drift]

i guess thats not too bad… still gonna buy it

[fallow niche]

I was just pointing out that your timelines were off, it was not a few days. It was a year and a half, maybe a little less. It definitely won't be a few days. If it even comes to PS, since Ark2 will have access to mods and possibly crossplay.

[crisp drift]

i thought it was released on ps at the same time pc version was released but i was way off cause it said released on 2017 when i viewed ark on my ps 💀

[fallow niche]

2015 for Steam, 2015/2016 for Microsoft, 2017 for PS. If Ark 2 follows that, it might be a year.

[crisp drift]

im still buying it regardless of what anyone says when it arrives

[fallow niche]

I was just saying lmao. No one said not to buy it.

[crisp drift]

i just realised i was talking to a moderator

[fallow niche]

So? I'm just a person, and you weren't breaking any rules or even being disrespectful. We were chatting. You're fine.

[crisp drift]

[tribal chasm]

I am hoping Ark 2 has an official environment for players to play on, similar to that found in WoW or other MMO's.
Rather than the pointless Anarchy-Sandbox vibe it currently has

[fallow niche]

I really prefer the environment it has now, where I can demo things that are in my way.

Trees, bushes, rocks, etc.

I like the sandbox, which has already been confirmed, just don't know how much of it is sandbox.

[spring smelt]

dont press strg and - while you are in discord i made everything weird and i hope that Ark II gets more optional content

[tribal chasm]

I am finding it too hard to explain what I mean, my apologies 😛
It's more I am hoping if they go down the Official server route again, the servers will feel more official and purposeful than they currently are. If there is a character system, it shouldn't be randomly deleted when doing expected activities

[lime forge]

Yeah it’s a sandbox. We prefer our anarchy around here

[mighty lion]

A global save system in the main screen where you can view your characters and what servers ( if there are servers) they're on would be nice.

[ocean tendon]

thats what a pen and paper is for

[untold totem]

The thing is

MMOs are overcrowded, there are so many failed MMOs especially from established devs and with existing IP

New World is a flop, Starcraft MMO "Ghost" got cancelled, a lot of failed indie MMOs are some of the examples

What makes ARK successful is the sandbox nature plus paid support for modders

ATLAS is basically ARK but RPG focused sandbox and that is a flop

[tribal chasm]

Yes the sandbox environment is nice, I suppose I just wanted more moderation/support for what they call 'Official' servers.
Like imagine World of Warcraft where the world first kills / hardest raids were completed by cheaters - whether that is PvE content or PvP content...
ie make their Official gamemodes more 'official'

[untold totem]

I donut it will work in ARK 2 especially how many things to make in order to make MMOs work that is not compatible with ARK gameplay

The reason WoW works because Warcraft is a RTS game

Complete different from the RPG genre plus they have a well crafted lore within the RTS line that fits so we'll with a RPG

If ARK make Tek War instead for the RPG then sure

But I don't think ARK will work as a MMO in a already crowded genre filled with dead MMOs

It takes 3 Warcrafts and 14 Final Fantasies until they made their MMO happen

[tribal chasm]

They can try to offer us a stable form of gamemode, not an unofficial server that may shutdown random, not official with is riddled with lack of enforcement, not single player which barely works and is clearly designed for a server to host etc

They can have small achievements they actively promote, rather than having to set your own goals entirely...ie 'first to kill this boss, first to collect every dinosaur'.
In the upcoming features the 'character' you play is intended to progress and upgrade a lot. If they have no stable character system (like in Ark 1)...it is pointless

[untold totem]

Official will shut down regardless

Nothing lasts forever

There is no longevity when comes to live services

[tribal chasm]

It's all relative though, a game lasting 5 years is different from a few weeks

[untold totem]

I mean look at official now, 7 years and still going, made starting to those servers impossible unless you wipe them

The only solution for official replayability, cheating, and duping issues is to make ARKpoc official

After all ARKpoc and Beginners are more popular than standard official because of the wipes

[tribal chasm]

Some form of wipe interval would be good, it encourages people to collectively get back into the game at the same time

[untold totem]

There already did

Like I just said, they just make ARKpoc official

Or better yet have yearly Conquest

[tribal chasm]

Yeah :p was trying to say 1 month for a game like Ark can be a bit much, yearly is probably the better way to go

[tropic crag]

"Maybe if you just read it you would understand 100% rate"

[tropic crag]

Wildcard isn't a triple A studio, nor has it ever been. Also, what is edgte?

[tropic crag]

[tropic crag]

[tropic crag]

Price has little to no bearing on whether or not a game is made by a AAA studio, tf? You are delusional

[worldly garden]

I was the original source of this information and it's 3 years. No idea how anyone could have stretched that out to 15 years. 🤣

[tropic crag]

🤡

[tropic crag]

Objectively wrong

[tropic crag]

[tropic crag]

💯

[tropic crag]

Just like Path of Titans, those aren't actual, entirely community made mods and we both know it. If it has/needs the developers' support and work to implement into the game, it's not a mod, it's just an addon. Think Rag and the other community made maps that became official for Ark 1, it's just like that. Bethesda has a bot screen the mod's files for console to make sure there's no obvious nudity or copyright infringement, with the bot for Playstation (at Sony's behest) being far more strict as to not let anything that is made with external assets or textures make it onto the platform, because Sony is scared of anything referencing games they don't own potentially drawing interest from their players and "killing" their brand lol

[tropic crag]

Who lied to you about Ghost being an MMO? It was an action-stealth story based game with a potential multiplayer (as in like Halo couch multiplayer) mode, lol

[tropic crag]

Ark 1 did, it's an MMO...

All caught up, whew

[lime forge]

Ark is not an MMO

[ripe cedar]

People seem to define mmo ranging from having multiplayer to having hundreds of people interacting at once, with transfers i think ark is easily an mmo

[prisma pike]

Give me a tldr

[prisma pike]

Isn't mmo literally "massive multiplayer online"?

[lime forge]

Would you consider Minecraft an mmo? Or Rust?

[valid apex]

I tried to find where I read that again. It seems to have disappeared into the void of useless information. 🤷‍♂️

[ripe cedar]

Yeah

[tropic crag]

Same here, they totally are MMOs

Anything that can have more than say 50 players on a server at once and has multiple magnitudes of servers is an MMO

Warzone is technically an MMO

Oh god

[lime forge]

I disagree. 50 players isn’t massive at all. If it isn’t thousands it’s just multiplayer

[tropic crag]

Well, here it is, straight from the world wide web: "massively multiplayer online game: any online video game in which a player interacts with a large number of other players." What that number is? I have no idea. But I'd say it's around 50 as most casual multiplayer games hardly ever break 50

Another definition:

"What determines an MMO?
A massively multiplayer online game (MMOG or more commonly MMO) is an online video game with a large numbers of players, often hundreds or thousands, on the same server. MMOs usually feature a huge, persistent open world, although there are games that differ."

[lime forge]

massively multiplayer online game (MMOG or more commonly MMO) is an online video game with a large numbers of players, often hundreds or thousands, on the same server.

Also from the World Wide Web

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I saw it too lol

Is Ark not played in a persistent world?

An, dare I say, open world?

[lime forge]

With less than 100 players yes

[ripe cedar]

Transfers

[lime forge]

More often than not with less than 20

[tropic crag]

Often ≠ the rule

[lime forge]

“On the same server”

[tropic crag]

Just because it's "often" with hundreds or more doesn't mean it has to be

That's just semantics

[lime forge]

So is this entire debate

[ripe cedar]

Look we have 2 people who agree and one person who doesnt so we win lol

[lime forge]

No. Google “is Ark an mmo” the community agrees with me lol

[ripe cedar]

Anyway i think it is you dont i dont really care good night

[prisma pike]

That's where I come in just to disagree

[lime forge]

Game. Set and match.

[prisma pike]

I'm boutta get dessert and discord main my ass off

So wtf are we talking Abt rn?

[lime forge]

Not Ark 2 lol

[lime forge]

Night pumpkin

[tropic crag]

Neverwinter Nights, one of the first and most important MMOs (to the genre) had a server limit of 50 when it first released

[lime forge]

Sleep tight

[tropic crag]

But I digress

[lime forge]

No need to get fancy

[tropic crag]

(Ark can have servers of up to 200, depending on provider, btw 😉 )

[prisma pike]

On steam?

[tropic crag]

Yes

[lime forge]

I’ll die on this hill pikmin

[prisma pike]

Bruh

[tropic crag]

You will die

[prisma pike]

That shits gotta be laggy as hell

[tropic crag]

Die wrong

[lime forge]

Imagine trying to find a base spot

[prisma pike]

Ong

[tropic crag]

Ikr

It has to be like constant PvP

Even if it's on PvE 🤣

[prisma pike]

Sounds like fun

[tropic crag]

Just tribe warring over base spots

[prisma pike]

Highest pop server I've been on off of official was 120 pop on a wipe

Literally every cave had like 3 tribes in it fighting constantly

[tropic crag]

Those can be fun

[lime forge]

There wouldn’t even be any room for Dino’s to spawn lol

[prisma pike]

Oh trust me they still spawn

[tropic crag]

I'm usually the guy infecting everyone with swamp fever and mega rabies on those types of servers, just so fun to do

[prisma pike]

They stop caring if you're in render or not after a while

[lime forge]

Log in and a pack of troodons spawned next to your bed

[prisma pike]

Like how dinos spawn in ur spam still if you spam off a map

[lime forge]

I hope Ark 2 addresses that

I hate when I walk off a nice large cliff and shit still spawns in it

[prisma pike]

By making it so u can't spam or so they don't spawn at all?

[lime forge]

Wild spawns

[tropic crag]

I would imagine it'll have better player and structure detection

For spawns

[lime forge]

If there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s a bronto that just stomps around my base causing a ruckus while I’m trying to work just refusing to piss off.

[tropic crag]

Build a better fence, hoser

[lime forge]

And then the new guy whistles attack and every line you have just goes ape shit and has to be setup all over again

[prisma pike]

U don't set up ignore group whistles?

[lime forge]

I do now

Used to not have too cause everyone knew what buttons not to press when they’re not using group whistles

[tropic crag]

I don't because I'm solo, no new guys to have do that

[prisma pike]

If ur in a tribe with me and a stalker picks me off my tame idc what u say I'm whistling my tame on that mf

[lime forge]

Now anyone new I play with the first thing I tell them is to take J of their gd keyboard

[prisma pike]

The amount of people I've killed doing that is hilarious

[prisma pike]

The pains of playing the game solo

Also is easier at times cause you don't gotta deal with peoples stupid shit

[lime forge]

“Tribelog: Your level 377 gigantosaurus was killed by Pegomastix”

“Bro I swear he wasn’t on passive when I went into the cave”

[prisma pike]

Pegos in a cave?

[lime forge]

Leaving tames unattended on passive

Like bruh

At least let it try and fight back

[prisma pike]

I don't think wild dinos even aggro onto Gigas except for like rex's and yuts and other stuff that size

[lime forge]

It was an exaggerated example of peoples stupid shit. Not something to take seriously

[prisma pike]

Anyways, I was more thinking of the stupid shit like leaving stuff on breed. Asking questions with obvious answers.

Building useless stuff

My tribe had a Spanish tribe blue tagged on gen 2 release and oh god those people were so stupid

I saw one try to shoot a Tek turret with a mek for like 20 minutes straight

[tropic crag]

💯

[blissful perch]

Ark OFFICIAL is an MMO. The official network connects hundreds to thousands of people

Old MMO servers for some games could only hold 50 or so people but the transfer between them that connects hundreds-thousands is what made them an MMO

[tropic crag]

I'd beg to differ (if only slightly), before transferring between servers was a thing even the 50 player server games were considered MMOs

Citation: Neverwinter Nights

Couldn't transfer characters until a bit after release iirc, once the characters became savable client side

[untold totem]

Oof that is asking for abuse right there

See: New World