ark-2

[neon granite]

Crazy how that works

[mint swan]

how can i contact one of the mods

[untold totem]

Not quite

PVE also include SP which is a lot of people

[untold totem]

#bobs-with-probs

[lime forge]

Really? Imagine the backlash WC would get from PvP players if they removed that much work. The faster resources from Gen 2 mean absolutely nothing to PvE tribes that have been sitting on multiple capped dedis of every resource in the game. And like you said, experienced players are gonna have tek tier in a matter of days. Why would making the process faster hurt anyone?

[neon granite]

You flip flop so hard between defending a reasonable early game start up to defending late game being impossible to touch it's unreal

[mint swan]

thanks

[neon granite]

PVP is impossible to balance around breedlines with over a quarter million health

tek isn't the only issue

[lime forge]

I’ve not flip flopped a single time.

[untold totem]

That is not a flip flop

You just don't like other people to catch up

[untold totem]

This can be cured with a wipe

If you are against wipes then you have to deal with that problem

[neon granite]

You did it last post "Wildcard would get backlash if they removed that much work." "Why would making the process faster hurt anyone" It's unironically opposite ends of the same argument. Making something faster DOES devalue work.

But you can't do that with breedlines or the base breeders will lose their minds

[untold totem]

I don't considered AFK breeding as "work" tbh and I have been a breeder for a PVP server for a year

[lunar citrus]

I don't mind high end breeding dinosaurs

I mind that you have a breeding system that tells you it caps out at 20/20 mutations and then you have people with severla thousand mutations stacked

[neon granite]

Exactly

[lime forge]

No. They’re not removing anything by giving fed tek on start. You’re speeding up the process that players already rush through as fast as possible. Removing a breed line that took 6 years to make is removing 6 years of work from players who will be in an uproar over a 2 hour roll back.

[untold totem]

Funny thing is that all the breeding bonus in Gen 2 is nerfed so hard, I might as well be playing unofficial as this point

[lunar citrus]

Either the game should tell you in some way that there is no effective limit on mutations, or actually enforce the 40 mutations limit

[untold totem]

Or no stat mutation at all

[lunar citrus]

and if it's going to go the former, have a lot of ways to help reach that easier. I'm not saying straight up add the S+ mutator or an equivalent to the main game, but I'm not saying don't do that

[untold totem]

Why bother with pokemon style math if you have a pvp ready tame already

[neon granite]

Yeah there's zero way to introduce new players into a system that heavily rewards people for breeding for years on end with no way to catch up short of wiping out/stealing the other breedline*

It's absurd

[lunar citrus]

I'm not against there being a clear difference between a wild-caught creature and one that's been bred for purpose.

That makes sense, even. Hell, if you want there to be more than 40 mutations that's also fine

[neon granite]

Benefits don't have to be infinitely scaling

That's where I'm headed with it

[lunar citrus]

But as indicated, it's straight up not possible to compete or even catch up with something that's had breeding abused for the game's entire lifespan

[untold totem]

I am adamantly against stat mutations, and just make PVP just go and PVP rather than some AFK sim that only makes you wake up just to breed/cuddle

[lunar citrus]

I also think there should be something that encourages PVP to be like it's portrayed in all of the lore/vidoes

You know, the cool open warfare between dinosaurs and stuff

I unno how you go about that instead of a system encouraging sniping/picks/blowing up afk bases

[untold totem]

There is no mutation in the lore

Why not just tame and fight already, like SOTF

[neon granite]

If they fix the breed system it's already a big win IMO

Doubt they will tho

[untold totem]

The breed system should be just for mass production of tames, not to make cap stat dinos

[neon granite]

Agreed

300k hp turtle gang

[deft saddle]

Mutations are cool

[neon granite]

Nothing like being stego bombed for 18 hours

[deft saddle]

Gigachad

[neon granite]

And needing 2 active bred gigas on duty to do anything about it

[ember radish]

I like little boys that play ark

[lime forge]

Anybody wanna talk about fireballs in Ark 2?

[stray elm]

Funny. Cause last time I checked, it's 50/50

[lime forge]

Making any tames with more than 40 on either side or total be born spayed/neutered would effectively end mutation stacking.

Why would that be any more complicated than any other code they’ve added to the game?

Like I understand it’s a big bit to add. But that doesn’t mean it’s gonna be any more or less difficult than anything else.

I definitely wouldn’t say it’s complicating it either. It’s effectively simplifying it.

We’re not talking about fixing the game. We’re talking about a pseudo cap on a number.

[deft saddle]

Guys

[lime forge]

Awesome.

[deft saddle]

Simply add a "mutation stack limit" option

[blissful perch]

TLDR me

[deft saddle]

Or a mutation enable or disable

[fiery wedge]

The usual crying over mutations

[blissful perch]

Ah, it is weird folks cry about mutations needing to be removed. They need to be removed, yet people can’t let go of them 😂

[lime forge]

Don’t be a hypocrite shifty

[deft saddle]

literally just make a option

Just an option that enables or disables mutations

[lime forge]

Saying mutation caps can’t be fixed is just silly.

[blissful perch]

Let me explain in simple steps why that doesn’t work: step 1.) game balance is built around official settings, which would include mutations

Step 2.) refer to step 1 about how limiting mutations fails to resolve the issue

[deft saddle]

Simply don't play official

[fiery wedge]

Dedis suck

[deft saddle]

There you go

[lime forge]

I’m sure you’re a regular game developer yourself.

[blissful perch]

I can’t tell if you’re being dense on purpose. Game balance is for all settings and all playstyles. The alpha dragon is the alpha dragon, and it’s built to be fought with official creatures

The alpha master controller is built for officials and all the mutations it allows

[deft saddle]

Idk man

No point in removing mutations in ark 1 now

[blissful perch]

Completely true. But they should be the first thing removed in ark 2 breeding

[lime forge]

Mmhm sure. WC is incapable of fixing it. It has nothing to do with balance as shift said and nothing to do with the fact that adding a cap now would make it impossible for anyone to ever match a tribe with tames that were grandfathered in.

[deft saddle]

Tbh

They probably won't be in ark 2

Since ark 2 seems to be more realistic

[blissful perch]

You’d have to delete the old tames or make legacy servers, much like what happened when the level cap was added

[deft saddle]

And if they aren't someone will probably just make a mod for it lmao

[fiery wedge]

You know people breed animals irl for hunting and shit right?

[lime forge]

That’s what essentially makes it impossible. Not the fact that it can’t be coded.

[deft saddle]

Mutations irl take 100s of years

[blissful perch]

It’s technically possible. Code can be as poor as you want but it’s possible. It’s not financially or logically feasible

[lime forge]

Have some faith in the devs man.

[blissful perch]

They take many generations. The amount time is determined by the lifespan of the creature

[fiery wedge]

And in ark a day passes in like 30 minutes

[deft saddle]

Yes

We will just have to see if they add them or not

[blissful perch]

Can’t is a statement of feasibility, not possibility. Try to be clear

[fiery wedge]

They'll probably have something similar if not at the least. They want people to no life the game lol

[shy cape]

Why can't ark:remake be a thing.

[lime forge]

Yeah. They can’t fix base problems with the engine. But I assure you, if they can add dlc after dlc on top of the spaghetti code they can add a cap.

[deft saddle]

That would take a long time to make💀

[shy cape]

I'd wait for it

[blissful perch]

Then keep waiting 🙂

[lime forge]

They are physically capable of doing it. They just won’t be cause of everything else that would have to be done.

[blissful perch]

They would not need to start from scratch to fix mutations, sorry

[shy cape]

Can't wait for what doesn't exist

[blissful perch]

It would probably be miserable and hotly contentious with the community but it’s certainly more possible than fixing meshing

Why? It’s hotly contentious. The community is NOT in agreement on a mutation cap of 20

[fiery wedge]

Couldn't they do what's being said to stop them from breeding past 40 mutations by writing an else if line?

[blissful perch]

Idk was “was said” but I also am not a code expert. I believe the code logic failure is not being able to split stats into wild points and mutated points

You’d need to couple mutations and their stat boosts together to stop stacking is my understanding

[fiery wedge]

You could write a line to pull the mutations from maternal/paternal sides?

Then do an else if for them being ≤39

[blissful perch]

I can’t speak to the details. My knowledge dramatically falls off once you get beyond code logic and broad game design

[fiery wedge]

Bruh the only coding I know is basic shit from high school and nitrado

[blissful perch]

You could certainly have the mutations from mother and father be saved and then added to the baby as a “boost”

Alternatively you could have a crude check for “#mutated points” and if it’s above a certain number it can’t rise

[lime forge]

I’m sticking to my guns here. Any baby born with 40 or higher mutations is born sterile.

[fiery wedge]

It already does that but it does it individually instead of as a whole so you can still get a mutation from only one side

[blissful perch]

That wouldn’t really do anything Paddy. People would just spam from the parents or clone

[lime forge]

Not for current lines no.

[blissful perch]

No, it checks mutations, not mutated stat boosts

[fiery wedge]

Eh that's what I meant lol

Thought that's what you were talking about

[blissful perch]

No I’m talking about coupling mutation counters with the actual stat boosts. Not sure how else you’d really pin down the issue of mutation stacking

[fiery wedge]

I have a solution

We tell everyone skill issue when they complain

[lime forge]

I demand breeding for more powerful tames in Ark 2.

[fiery wedge]

Remove the stat cap and keep mutations

Let's see how far we can push lines

[lime forge]

I wouldn’t go that far. But for science, I wouldn’t complain.

[blissful perch]

Have unlocked servers called “gatekeeper” servers. No player level cap, no tame level cap, just pure miserable gate keeping

Turrets deal 12x damage, structures have 10x hp…what other buffs can we add to help gate keep?

[fiery wedge]

Bro if turrets had 12x damage you'd literally be unraidable

[lime forge]

I fear if they don’t give us more Ark 2 information soon this channel is gonna devolve into the cult of anti-mutationists.

[blissful perch]

*evolve

[fiery wedge]

^

[blissful perch]

That’s the goal of gate keeping servers

[lime forge]

No!

[blissful perch]

The goal is for 0 new players to ever join there. You just sit on them

[fiery wedge]

I thought the goal was not letting new players get set up lol

You could t even raid a bob bro lol

[blissful perch]

Well yes, but you’d have no cap on mutations or player levels

[lime forge]

I like mutation breeding

I want it in Ark 2, or something similar.

Just controlled

[fiery wedge]

I mean they could just lower the stat caps

To like 150 or something

[blissful perch]

Easiest most crude solution for sure

Drop it down to 60 or 70

[lime forge]

I’ll thumbs down you

[fiery wedge]

Bruh lines would be capped in like 2 months

If even

[blissful perch]

I’m going to ask WC to find another way to waste people’s time then

[fiery wedge]

Like if the biggest bobs were at it

[fiery wedge]

They needa make it so you can breed bps for capped armor and weapons

[lime forge]

I want to breed and train my tames to be the very best like no one ever was. Nobody wants to run around with wild ancestor tames

[shy cape]

I want to have to spend ungodly amounts of time for a chance of a chance of a proper mutation to happen

I worked on my manes on my cluster for the better part of half a year before I finished them

[rare heart]

Would rather have training than breeding. Not get rid of it but make it far less reliable than it is

[lime forge]

That’s currently where I stand as well.

Training should be where the real power comes from

[shy cape]

^

[lime forge]

Breeding should just be a small boost

[rare heart]

Like wild dinos in theory would be stronger in general

The only way to make captive dinos better is through exercise

and breeding in ark always 100% leads to incest

Just how the game works

[shy cape]

No wonder they are freaks of nature

[tribal chasm]

is there any updates for Ark 2 coming out soon?

like some IRL gaming event that is likely to showcase something

[broken dune]

I have 60 dollars in steam just for ark 2. I can't wait anymore :(

[stray elm]

It'll be less, but not a bad idea

It's coming out in Early-Access which usually are 40$ USD or lower. Before you ask how we know.

[broken dune]

I always be 1 step ahead of everything they might change their mind about the price

[lime forge]

I believe they said at the end of the other days stream that they “might” give us more info around the end of the year

[stray elm]

True

[terse quest]

i am very pumped for ark 2 when is it coming out

[stray elm]

I do love the idea of a gladiator arena

Hopefully other players can act as spectators.

"Are you not entertained!?!?!"

[lime forge]

I don’t think there’s gonna be a gladiator arena.

[stray elm]

"The-Dens" is a arena

They stated this.

Shifter is right, 'what' you're going to fight is unknown.

Either way, it's a arena.
And I'm up for it.

[lime forge]

That’s not what it sounded like when I listened to it. It sounded more like PvE content.

I guess it could be considered an arena still

[stray elm]

Gladiator arenas don't always have to involve humans.

[lime forge]

As a WoW player when I hear arena I immediately go to PvP

[stray elm]

Romans iirr used to capture predators to throw into the arenas with the gladiators.

"The-Dens" also sounds totally like a arena name.
Like a sketchy, illegal downtown fighting arena type of name.

[lime forge]

I’m thinking they’re gonna be exactly what they sound like. Small caves that Dino’s nest in that we go in and clear out. Probably with higher levels like in Ark 1.

[stray elm]

Nah, they're arenas.
You can't tell me otherwise.

Like how I can't tell you that ARK-2 wont have fireballs.

We are at even odds.

[lime forge]

Lol I see that. And understand the sentiment.

[stray elm]

I'd always wanted to go go into a non-life or death fighting arena in real life.
Only issue is, I don't want my teeth to be knocked out that can't grow back and heal, unlike my bones.

If we had infinite regenerating teeth, I'd 100% be down to try real Boxing.

(not wrestling. I'm fucking dumb)

[lime forge]

Wear a mouth piece you’ll be alright

[stray elm]

That doesn't always work.

[lime forge]

Knocking teeth out isn’t as easy as the movies make it seem

[stray elm]

I've seen some matches go down that their mouth protection gets literally knocked out, that it takes some tooth's with it.

[stray elm]

No, but I don't like the chances of it happening.

I'm fine with broken bones and cut skins.
Cause those can heal

Teeth, if given the chance to be knocked out. Sadly can not.

[lime forge]

I wonder if there’s gonna be taming methods that require world events or even being in the dens to complete

[stray elm]

Seems like taming as a whole is requiring some of the world events.

[lime forge]

What makes you say that?

[stray elm]

So far, we officially know "egg stealing" and "random events of a creature being attack, and if you help it it'll trust you"

The second one was stated in the last ARK-2 CC

[lime forge]

I’m sure there will be standard knock out tames as well. If not I’m ok with that. Egg snatching was one of my favorite activities in Ark, I’m all for more immersive tame methods.

Hell I’d probably prefer it.

[stray elm]

It'd make taming harder creatures like rexes possibly harder if their parents are guarding the nest 24/7.
Requiring you to actually build up gear first before just note-running to level 21 and knocking out a rex.

Which, I'm up for "make the game hard as balls. But not unfairly hard like ARK-1's RNG"

Also.
'Console mods'

[fiery wedge]

Ark 1 is easy af in every aspect lol

[stray elm]

I don't know. Me going through caves 20+ times and never getting the specific blueprint I want is pretty hard.

[fiery wedge]

Cause ur a bob and are running caves for bps

[lime forge]

The caves themselves aren’t difficult though.

[deft saddle]

You probably fight the orc guys there
Aratai isn't it?

[stray elm]

Thanks for calling me a Chad.

[fiery wedge]

Yw

[stray elm]

No shit.

Not saying ARK-1 is hard in general.
I'm saying "make ARK-2 funnily hard, but don't make everything rely on a dumb RNG system"

[lime forge]

Idk I gotta agree with birdman here. Ark 1 is only hard if you’re new. The RNG is just incredibly tedious with how large the loot pools are.

[deft saddle]

Ark 2 probably won't be in beta as long ark 1 was right?
Since WC mostly knows what they are doing

[fiery wedge]

Depends on what they feel is finished

[lime forge]

Can’t really say. It’s sound logic but that doesn’t mean much.

[stray elm]

That's what I just fucking said

[fiery wedge]

Have a snickers bro

[lime forge]

I didn’t see that as I was typing calm down

[stray elm]

No U

[deft saddle]

Then again

[deft saddle]

Ark 2 sounds like it's going to have a lot of new features

[fiery wedge]

Bros been in a rage in this discord for the past week

[stray elm]

Week?
I've been in a rage here since I've joined

[fiery wedge]

This guy's mad for no reason lol

[stray elm]

[fiery wedge]

Bruh if you're gonna be toxic at least try to not look dumb

[stray elm]

Sorry, it runs in the family.

[lime forge]

He’s very passionate about Ark 2

[stray elm]

We all are.

[fiery wedge]

I probably care more about this game than all of y'all tbh

Ark is life what can I say

[lime forge]

That’s not true. Im for sure the biggest Ark fan in existence

[fiery wedge]

Cap

[stray elm]

Don't flex too hard. You might pop a vein.

[fiery wedge]

My existence is proof of otherwise

[stray elm]

Not sure about y'all. But I've been playing since 2015, and have gotten all of the DLC's on day-one.

[fiery wedge]

So have I

[lime forge]

I was playing Ark when I impregnated my girlfriend just to make sure my child would inherit my Ark skills.

[fiery wedge]

I taught my dog how to play ark so I can have more tribemates

[lime forge]

I don’t have time for irl pets because I’m to busy taking care of my tames

[fiery wedge]

I taught my pet to raise my tames 🧠

I had a maewing before maewings

[lime forge]

I once made my kid wait for breakfast so I could fill the troughs. My tames eat first.

[stray elm]

Ew.
Should've pulled out.

[fiery wedge]

Oh hell yeah that's what I'm saying

[abstract birch]

[lime forge]

Go away Jamie you aren’t even gonna play Ark 2. You don’t know!

[stray elm]

[abstract birch]

I played Ark one long enough.

And your stuff is cringe, if you like it or not XD

[lime forge]

A guy who doesn’t play Ark in the Ark discord is kinda cringe as well!

[abstract birch]

I played Ark since 2015 ?

Be careful what you claim about others if you don't know the facts.

[lime forge]

This sounds a lot like general chat

[fiery wedge]

General is filled with cringe ass people

[abstract birch]

Whole Ark community is.

[fiery wedge]

Mostly just this discord tbh

[abstract birch]

Depends a bit were you go but on discord it is at least very big amount ^^

[stray elm]

So 'THIS' is why you don't like me.

[fiery wedge]

Cause you're cringe?

[abstract birch]

No one likes you. I guess that is what you even wanna achieve XD

[stray elm]

Yes

[fiery wedge]

Oh god it's self aware

[abstract birch]

But all good, I like you in some way Sparten XD

[stray elm]

Who're you?

[abstract birch]

You're worst nightmare

[stray elm]

Don't know who you're calling 'it' when you look like a Xbox-Controller.

[stray elm]

Good thing I can't dream.

[deft saddle]

[abstract birch]

[stray elm]

Question

Why are you stealing the name of my old friend that left the server?

[abstract birch]

Oh I didn't XD

[stray elm]

I know 'you' didn't, you sussy-baka Imposter.
I mean 'Jamie'

[abstract birch]

I could rant a bit about certain things to proof I am still me.

[stray elm]

I can also be a jackass to prove I'm spartan.
What would that mean?
I'm an jackass, nothing more nothing less.

[fiery wedge]

You're cringe

[stray elm]

Thanks, birb

[lime forge]

!purge the general chat from this channel

[loud star]

Stpaddy#2758

The moderation module has been denied for your role on this server.

[lime forge]

Dang didn’t work

[abstract birch]

I am simply me, doing art, writing, RP but beeing pretty silent lately

[stray elm]

!purge Spartan073003#5512

[loud star]

Spartan073003#5512

The moderation module has been denied for your role on this server.

[lime forge]

We will discuss Ark 2 now

[stray elm]

Damn. Can't end myself from this suffering.

[fiery wedge]

ඞ

[lime forge]

Tonight’s first Ark 2 topic will be tribes. Will we be able to join Santiago’s tribe? Will we be allied to it? Will Santiago be a good leader?

[stray elm]

I think he'll be on his own two-people only tribe that are just NPC's

[fiery wedge]

They'll probably just be one of those characters that gives you missions and only does stuff in scripted events

[lime forge]

I think his tribe is gonna be the alpha tribe on every single server.

They’re gonna offer sales and trades

[stray elm]

I'd personally like the idea of a community-center like village that is run by NPC's.

[lime forge]

Me too. I’m really hoping to be able to sell tames.

[fiery wedge]

I mean there's other players

[lime forge]

Would love to be able to breed a bunch of tames, sell them and purchase what I need to build to an extent

[stray elm]

Yeah, a area you could sale tames on a marketplace that other players can buy them would be nice.

And might make ARK's rmt community not even have a foothold on ARK-2.

[fiery wedge]

That's the most PvE thing I've heard all day

[stray elm]

And?

[fiery wedge]

...

If you think anything will stop irl money trade ur high

[lime forge]

Yeah cause PvP players never buy tames…

[fiery wedge]

You don't need a massive PvE market to trade lol

[lime forge]

If it was between in game currency or resources and my own money I’d stay in game every time.

[stray elm]

Never said it'll 'stop it'
I just said it "wont have a foothold" on ARK-2.
The rmt community is pretty large in ARK right now.
Anyway to try to negate that would help the community not deal with that stuff 'as' often.

[fiery wedge]

You're still high if you think that lol

[stray elm]

I just hate going in general and seeing "anyone wanna give me 20$ for a rex?"
Like 'bruh' you're in the official ARK discord. How do you not expect to be banned from that?

[lime forge]

No you don’t, some sort of market place where you drop off what you want to sell and set a price would make things much more convenient though.

[fiery wedge]

The way you'd cut it down would be to devalue the worth of things and make them not worth trading for money by making them easier to get

However that could hurt the gameplay

[stray elm]

Would a marketplace that offers only in-game trading not help in a way with that?

[fiery wedge]

No

[lime forge]

It absolutely would

[stray elm]

Double-edged blade, I guess.

[lime forge]

People will spend in game resources over real money anytime it’s a comparable option

[fiery wedge]

People with good shit would rarely post their stuff on there when they could just get money for it over discord

Either that or they'd ask only for whatever the most cancer resource to get is, like ele dust today.

Every trading discord only has people selling tames for dust or black pearls

[lime forge]

So many games successfully utilize a free market system. Does it get abused. Yes like everything else, but they still provide a community economy that is beneficial for buyers and sellers.

[stray elm]

Also, btw. If you legit don't want me to talk in here Bird. I wont, if you want me to.

[fiery wedge]

Bruh idc if u talk or not

[lime forge]

Damn Ecto spit it out already

[stray elm]

I 'am' cringe though.
So I shall see myself out.

[fiery wedge]

🫡

Bruh the salute is a box

[lime forge]

I see the salute

[fiery wedge]

My discords buggin'

[lime forge]

Ecto has been typing for 10 minutes and he’s probably just gonna ask about 1st person.

[weak basalt]

cant trade when a player is offline though. however with the capitalizm mods in ark 1, you can set up shops that work when youre offline, they also make sure that the trade goes smoothly, unlike "if you want to trade for anything, you use resources" to which there isnt even a trade button. so basically youre chucking lootbags on the ground and hoping someone doesn't just take them and run or give you the wrong stuff. if theyre not gonna bring in currency they need to atleast bring in a player store or at minimum a trade feature. the way i have my server set up currently is that you convert metal to coins, trade with them for goods like dinos or materials with other players, then they convert the coins back to metal to use. would love to take the step of converting to coins out but there wasnt a way of doing that (atleast that i found).

[weak basalt]

lol i play 1st person, are they changing that?

[fiery wedge]

Yes

No first person

[lime forge]

I’d like to see a currency system.

[weak basalt]

oof, i mean its not a big loss for me. as long as the building system is changed a lil. would like to be able to pan out or something whilst placing things if i cant play first person

[lime forge]

Idk why berserker would say it wouldn’t make sense considering we already have currency and a shop in Ark 1.

I guess I could see that leading to people being able to buy their way to alpha if it were tradable between players though.

[fiery wedge]

Well ark 1 has the excuse of Tek and stuff for a shop working, I don't feel like it'd fit very well if there was just a big ass protected area for trading that's just there.

[weak basalt]

could be misreading or miscommunication. im terrible at writing stuff lol. mightve misunderstood me.

[lime forge]

I honestly think that’s exactly what Santiago’s tribe is gonna provide

[fiery wedge]

Didn't his tribe fucking die

[lime forge]

When?

[fiery wedge]

The trailer

[lime forge]

They were attacked. I doubt it’s just gonna be him and the kid that survived.

[weak basalt]

o i didnt think of npc trading...im 50/50 on that being a feature. bit of a love hate relationship with it

[lime forge]

I’m not sure what I would want to see here. I just know I want some kind of market.

[weak basalt]

i mean they could do a town with a auctionhouse sorta thing. i mean that way no one could steal the stuff youre selling. but then thats also pretty op, because means you could put all your good stuff for sale for a price that no one would pay, making your stuff immune to theft/raids. they'd need to tweek it ina way people couldnt exploit

either way would be nice to see some sort of inbuilt trading of some sort instead of thee old thrown stuff on the ground trades lol

[lime forge]

Just don’t let people withdraw for a set amount of time. It wouldn’t really be super abusable if it stayed on the market for 2-3 weeks before you got it back.

Price regulations would also help.

[weak basalt]

yeah thats a good point. i know i wouldnt chuck an item on with a crazy price to protect it if i couldnt withdraw it without waiting forever

also is there a decent website/link to where any info on the game is? ive had trouble searching through google to find stuff about it

[fiery wedge]

The pins

[weak basalt]

kk

o i seee, thankyou

[untold totem]

ATLAS does that vanilla and you can upgrade weapons with it as well

I am not sure why currency is needed when bartering is way more effective because you don't need to grind all that coin along with existing resources

Also it's kinda weird to have money inside of wild creatures when there is no possible way to mint them yourself anyways

Makes sense in ATLAS because of the setting it is in but not the primitive "return to monkey" ARK

[lime forge]

I don’t think dinosaurs should drop currency on death lol.

[lime forge]

Currency isn’t a new concept, it’s been used for thousands of years all the way into B.C. Every survivor that would be on Arat would have used currency not to far fetched to see them going back to it.

But that being said I’d like currency as way to allow me to play the game in the ways I prefer and use the currency to shore up my weaknesses. For example if I could make good money breeding, training and then selling tames I could then use that money to buy gear and building materials.

[stray elm]

That can also be a small scavenging team he was part of.
That, or the trailer could also not be canon.

[untold totem]

Again, you can easily do that with bartering as it is more direct than just make up the value as you go

If one says they want "this melee giga for his this % cross bow" then the trade is easy and no fuss on the "monetary value"

We don't need to be a peseudo-accountant in a video game

[untold totem]

Currency Mod does that

[lime forge]

That’s only assuming you can find other people with exactly what you’re looking for though. An actual currency is far more versatile.

[untold totem]

Same with currency as well

You have to look around and see who can sell this dino to the lowest price or find a bob dumb enough to buy your dodo for a high price

There is no difference there

[lime forge]

I guys I could see a few large carnivores with a handful of coins in their belly.

[tropic crag]

If they ate people with em on them, yeah

[untold totem]

Also just like IRL

Currency is very volatile and may depends on the "player economics" alone

We don't need to turn this game into a job

[lime forge]

Yes but with currency I don’t have to find someone with exactly what I want and is still willing to trade it. Currency is just a better system. That’s why we don’t still use a barter system.

[lime forge]

So many successful games use a currency system and allow a free market. It’s not turning it into a job.

[untold totem]

But in games, it is still effective as you don't need to grind them

Plus raiding tribes just go for your merchandise instead of your coins

[untold totem]

Tell that to those crypto game

[lime forge]

It’s not as effective though. If I have a raptor I want to trade for a specific weapon then I need to find someone who has that specific weapon and also needs my raptor.

[weak basalt]

bit different with currency, you can purchase anythign with currency, where as direct item trading only works if you have the item they want. i mean can you imagine in the real world how hard it would be if you worked 8 hours and got paid in rubber bands, then went to get your groceries and they only traded food for plastic chess pieces? 😛 same with ark. i mean if i want a crossbow and i have rex eggs, but teh only guy that has crossbows doesnt want rex eggs then theres no way for us to really trade. where as if i trade crossbow for money, he can trade that money later for something he does want form someone else

[untold totem]

Or the abuse of the market in that Amazon game

[weak basalt]

yeah, that sucked

[mint swan]

No kizzy

[weak basalt]

economy is only as good as the players playing though. but it tends to balance over time

[untold totem]

Unless you told him specified that you don't want the eggs then the guy will just trade away the eggs to someone else

[lime forge]

If currency exists I can trade whatever I have to whoever needs it for X amount, and then go to whoever has what I need and give him X amount of currency.

[fiery wedge]

You can do that with items too bruh

[untold totem]

And what do you do with all the coin when that value of said creature tanked because everyone can just cap it?

Nada... Paperweight

At the end of the day, it's just extra items that is pretty much worthless when people can just make the things themselves

[lime forge]

Not as easily. Once again if I trade a raptor for a crossbow, I then have to find someone who not only has what I need, but needs the crossbow I have. It’s an outdated inefficient system that was replaced by currency for a reason.

[untold totem]

Plus again, no one wants to be a fake ass economist

We are broke IRL, why we should be in game?

[fiery wedge]

It's a primitive based game so it fits

[lime forge]

We? Lol

[lime forge]

Look up how long currency has been used.

[fiery wedge]

I don't think cavemen had money

[untold totem]

Again the person selling it can just sell the thing your don't want to someone else

That is literally the same thing without the coin

Currency is just a Middleman in an existing barter trading

[weak basalt]

i dont htink cavemen had hoverboards, flying spaceships, lasers

[lime forge]

We’re not cavemen though

[weak basalt]

LMAO

[fiery wedge]

You are in ark 2

[untold totem]

ARK 2

[weak basalt]

ark 1 was same thing though? then it changed

[fiery wedge]

If everyone forgets how to use and make Tek and shit then we can forget money too

[lime forge]

That’s not how trading works. You’re not gonna trade me something I need for something you don’t need out of the kindness of your heart.

[stray elm]

I'm back.
Hope you don't mind Bird.

I know how much you hate me.

[fiery wedge]

Yeah totally

When you type in chat I just see red

[stray elm]

Sorry, I'll leave then.

[fiery wedge]

Bruh

[untold totem]

You don't understand how do trading in ARK

I have been RP both in ARK and ATLAS

I don't feel the difference in trading

Especially if there is a high focus on PVP where people have no time for making currency but focused on resources and building up the army and defenses

Unless ARK 2 is gonna be pure PVE with NPC market stalls like ATLAS then currency is understandable

[fiery wedge]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic

[untold totem]

Welcome to Spartan

[lime forge]

Well hop on Ark I need a capped giga. I can trade 62 compys, a pegomastix, 4 mantis, and 87 dodos.

[fiery wedge]

Go get me dust and you got a deal

[untold totem]

Also last time I checked

No one ever trades bundle in ARK

People mostly choose what they want to trade and the trade itself is easy without any haggling of coin

[lime forge]

What are you gonna do with all of those you ask? Trade them to people who need them.

[lime forge]

Almost like dust is the currency of the realm huh.

[untold totem]

Duh it's what most people do in ARK, both official and unoff

[lime forge]

Oh ok. Trade me a capped giga for my fresh tamed shadowmane then.

[fiery wedge]

Or give me pearls, carbos, suits, etc.

[lime forge]

So when currency isn’t available they make their own. Imagine that.

[untold totem]

It does happen

Someone offered me a parasaur (on a server where the owner banned parasaurs) for my current Shadowmane line

[fiery wedge]

An important resource being traded isn't making a currency lmao

[untold totem]

And I don't see that happened in current ARK trades

Your point?

I don't see people asked for dust for a bundle of random trash just to get the capped rifle BP

I see people pick and choose what the person offered in a huge list in the vault for a say another BP or a Fert giga egg

[tropic crag]

Dust is literally the number one traded resource of all time lmao

It's basically a currency

[lime forge]

People want what people need. The currency system works best for that. Because when currency is made everyone needs it for what they want. It’s far superior to the archaic barter system.

[untold totem]

Gen 2 broke the dust economy

Dust is useless for trade

Just like currency

[fiery wedge]

?

[untold totem]

Kinda missed the point here but ok

[fiery wedge]

Dust is still dust

[untold totem]

I am talking trade, not as a general use

[lime forge]

I see your point I just strongly disagree.

[fiery wedge]

Bro all people mostly trade for is dust, black pearls, suits, rifles and dinos.

[lime forge]

Pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters

[fiery wedge]

Quit grasping bruh

[untold totem]

Lmao how rare dust can be if you have the ability to get them yourselves with the tame that can grab 10k per spawn rotation for example

[fiery wedge]

10k dust is nothing

[untold totem]

See

[lime forge]

Grasping is trying to hold on to ancient outdated system that was replaced for a reason.

[tropic crag]

Mans literally came in here goin "Currency should exist in Ark 2, change my mind" and all you guys can say is "muh barter system" lol

[untold totem]

This is a game, not IRL economics

[fiery wedge]

Wdc cry

[lime forge]

That’s largely irrelevant.

[tropic crag]

But it is, essentially, because we would do the same thing in this situation, not just go back to barter

[untold totem]

Literally no one uses dust as a monetary value as they used it for themselves

Unless you are in a RP heavy server or a PVE focused game

I doubt they implemented currency as it is RN

Also currency give them excuse to MTX so here is that

[lime forge]

I’m fairly confident we will have a currency system in place in Ark 2.

[tropic crag]

You aren't getting the point, then. It has nothing to do with microtransactions

[tropic crag]

As am I

[untold totem]

I will be laughing when no one is using it or worse abuse it like Lost World (or whatever that Amazon game is called)

[tropic crag]

I will be laughing when it's implemented and needed to trade certain things or through a certain front

[fiery wedge]

What makes you so confident in that?

[untold totem]

Never put too much trust on people

Especially people will straight con you

Imagine pay 10k coin on a random egg but it's actually a dud lvl

[tropic crag]

That makes no sense as I read it

[untold totem]

Then you don't understand how currency trading works

[fiery wedge]

You're telling I feel like I'm high or something reading almost all their messages

[weak basalt]

abusing systems like duping...dropping wrong stuff during a trade so that people turn around to look at it then tranqing them in the back due to not having a trade system where you can both look at whats for trade and clicking accept...abusing systems like meshing...you mean like that? because taht was ARK not some amozon game that had currency :P\

[untold totem]

If you really want to have a systemic trading market to put that currency system to good use then people strive to abuse it

Also since you mentioned duping

May expect actual coin duping

It happened in ATLAS official

[lime forge]

They added a currency in the last 2 Ark 1 maps, and then they’re adding NPCs to Ark 2 as well as more rpg features. Just seems likely to me.

[untold totem]

The thing is you can't trade hexagons

You just basically use them in an NPC

That is why I gave ATLAS for example as it is literally the same thing but is more open and everyone can access the NPC stalls

[lime forge]

People strive to abuse everything though. It’s kinda what we do.

[fiery wedge]

Almost nothing has been revealed to how in depth these new features will be though. And ark 1 had Tek to use as a reason for being able to have currency and a shop. I wouldn't bet on it.

[weak basalt]

'May expect'....literally could put that on ANY FEATURE. im assuming you wont be buying the game since your logic is a plane MAY fall form the sky on ark servers and destroy all your hard work. so best not buy the game just in case ???? trading is smoother with curency....thats why everyother game out there that uses it expereinces more trades on one server in one day than what ark does throughout all their servers over the period of a week

[lime forge]

Ark 2 will have NPCs to use as a reason for currency and a shop. It just makes sense to me that they would do it, I understand I have very little to go off of. Just feels like that’s the direction they’re heading.

[untold totem]

See what I mean

The purpose of coin will lose value when

1. people managed to abuse the system by duping

2. no way to offload them (aka NPC shops) if "mass murder minting" is the way of making new coin

[fiery wedge]

How many npcs are there even supposed to be?

[lavish rain]

Why not add waterballs to the game

[tropic crag]

The game will lose value when people dupe, what are you on about lol

[lime forge]

Supposed to be? I don’t know, but I highly doubt it’s just gonna be you, Vin and his daughter fighting a war with the Aratai.

[tropic crag]

No one likes to play a game with cheaters, if the whiners from PvP are to be believed

[fiery wedge]

Well ofc there's other players, after all, it's a multiplayer pvp sandbox game.

[untold totem]

See ARK 1

[tropic crag]

Yes, my point, you found it

Official PvP is full of cheaters

[untold totem]

People still play (for some reason) even if with the infestation of cheaters

[stray elm]

You know, maybe it was a good idea I stopped chatting in here before it turned into this.

[fiery wedge]

On Xbox PC players on windows have scripts to join Xbox official and spin and insta turn lmao

[lime forge]

I really doubt the story itself is gonna involve multiplayer though.

[untold totem]

Not gonna be anymore after that stream

[tropic crag]

Again, my point exactly

[fiery wedge]

Well you could solo it, but you'd likely bring friends wouldn't you?

[untold totem]

PVP is off that description as a primary game anymore

[fiery wedge]

What are you on about

[untold totem]

The recent PAX stream

[tropic crag]

I will beat Ark 2 in singleplayer loooong before I play it with others, I can tell you that. Perma-solo triber right here

[fiery wedge]

So you're gonna get the game and just not play it with your mates?

[untold totem]

Imagine the currency system in SP with no NPC stalls lol

[fiery wedge]

Yeah what about it?

[untold totem]

So many words but none is PVP related

[fiery wedge]

Okay and?

[lime forge]

You don’t think there will be NPCs in single player?

[tropic crag]

For the first week or so, yeah

[untold totem]

If you are basing on the economy mod

And IF ARK 2 is gonna be like ATLAS

[weak basalt]

i wouldnt have currency dropping off dinos or anything. would just have it forgable from metal, and then smelt the coins back down to be metal. that way its just like trading metal for everything. in single player wouldnt need to turn to coins, would just keep it as metal.

[tropic crag]

We know there's NPCs, so this makes no sense

[untold totem]

Tamable NPC is confirmed but never shop NPCs

That is up to speculation

[lime forge]

I’m ok with water balls

[fiery wedge]

Tamable vin diesel?

Bet

[lime forge]

Lol where was tameable NPCs confirmed?

[tropic crag]

When in the hell did they confirm tamable NPCs?

[stray elm]

I'd like to know, also

[untold totem]

I rather shoot him with a fire arrow and watch him burn

[weak basalt]

how about global electricity, with power bills, where you have to find the best npc to get the best rates

[hoary lake]

Dee

[stray elm]

Oh, I'm also sorry to talk in here without your permission Birdwoman.
Can I talk in here?

[lime forge]

Guys I don’t think they’ve confirmed tamable NPCs.

[fiery wedge]

Only if you refer to me as your goddess every time you type

[untold totem]

Kinky

[tropic crag]

Because they haven't, lmao

[fiery wedge]

Technically a rex is an npc

[lime forge]

I wonder what kind of things the NPC shops are gonna sell

[untold totem]

I couldn't be assed rewatching the PAX talk because they just say so many things to the point it's just noise to me

[tropic crag]

Probably tools, I'd imagine. Or maybe their style of armor

[lime forge]

Probably components needed for repairs too

[untold totem]

If I am gonna base it on ATLAS then you get All the basic stuff and a few skins

[lime forge]

I hope we can buy tames

[untold totem]

What is the point of taming when you buy tames in the shop

Unless it's a lvl 1 rex with crap stat

[lime forge]

It would be cool to go to like a horse auction, but instead it’s parasaur

[fiery wedge]

Yeah that's just to the point of "more is less" imo

[untold totem]

That Amazon game intensifies

[lime forge]

People sell livestock all the time

[fiery wedge]

Okay but we're playing a game

[tropic crag]

To get things that aren't sold? Or better stats? Or even just no reason? It doesn't need a reason, especially if we get the thing I hope for the most, which is specializations

[lime forge]

Ok.

[untold totem]

Again you are comparing IRL to a game where the focus is using your dinos as a canon fodder

[fiery wedge]

If all of that is in the game then all you'd have to do is farm money, it'd make the game boring and stale.

[tropic crag]

If I'm a tamer, and I don't want to build, I should be able to trade/sell tames to an NPC for structures

[stiff axle]

Yall i cant find my mosochops i put him in roam to gather and stuff 😦

[lime forge]

If they’re just cannon fodder what’s the problem with buying them?

[untold totem]

If it's "no reason" then "no reason" to have those shops exists is it there?

[tropic crag]

#bobs-with-probs

[lime forge]

That’s EXACTLY what I’m saying.

[tropic crag]

You missed my point entirely

[fiery wedge]

Because the gameplay would be ruined by only having to farm money

[untold totem]

Why bother getting that money and wasting them if you can tame and mass breed a better one for free

[tropic crag]

Because you don't like taming?

If I don't wanna tame stuff, give me the option to buy tames

[untold totem]

Then you just play Rust with dino mod at this point

[tropic crag]

You aren't getting the point

[lime forge]

Not if all that’s being sold are general tames like a parasaur or something. I’m not asking for capped out tames from the first npc I come across.

[untold totem]

Taming is the core game of ARK

[tropic crag]

So I guess I'm done here 👋

[weak basalt]

it doesnt need to be money, could just be metal or something as a universal currency. i mean back when i played on offical EVERYTHING was traded for ammo for turrets. or sometimes silica pearls....whats the difference between that and money? both are youre only farmign one thing

[fiery wedge]

Well the extent it went to wasn't said before.

[untold totem]

That is literally bartering

If it's currently it should be one thing to be used as a monetary value like a designated coin

You are just swapping one useable thing with another

[lime forge]

Being able to buy arrows would be pretty sweet too

[weak basalt]

currency is what ever someone makes it...coins are metal, or gold depending what era, and notes are paper or plastic...that means money is just bartering...your just trading one resource for another

[fiery wedge]

The game didn't have much worth trading for back when you played probably. Now that there's demand for more things than just ammo and turrets it's not just farming one thing to trade with.

[tropic crag]

Obviously, there's a give and take with the system @lime forge and I are proposing, you don't just farm currency and get the best shit in the game from the get-go, you have to work at your profession (or whatever you wanna call it, tamer, builder, farmer, breeder, etc) then trade/sell that to NPCs for a currency to buy what you need, the stuff you don't do on your own, stuff your buddies would do if you had them (at least, for singleplayer, that is)

[weak basalt]

but is predominantly trading for a farmable resource?

[untold totem]

Ye but you don't need turn that already minted coin into a gun when you can use that coin to buy that gun instead

That is a big difference from trading raw resource with another raw resource

[fiery wedge]

I'm too tired to understand this

[untold totem]

If they make the NPC shops more SP focused

People just stop farming raw resource or taming dinos and start murder carnivores for money instead?

[lime forge]

No.

[untold totem]

That may also depend on how much it drops and how densely populated the map can be if they want to avoid the ATLAS grid route

[lime forge]

Dinosaurs shouldn’t drop currency. Currency should be earned by either quest/mission based systems or by farming and selling.

[untold totem]

I am still keen on how the mission works in a very primitive state

It would make sense in Gen

[fiery wedge]

Bruh I wanna write some shit but it'd be like 10 paragraphs long and I can't be asked

[lime forge]

Idk what that means

[fiery wedge]

@lime forge Are you willing to understand idiot text?

[lime forge]

Talk to text?

[lime forge]

Hit me with your best shot

[fiery wedge]

No I'm just type like a lazy bastard cause I can't be asked to write a longass paragraph

[untold totem]

You should commission @clever vortex for that lol

[weak basalt]

yeah missions in a survival multiplayer game seem weird/interesting. only way i could see them doing it is making the caves like instances in other games. you rock up with a certain number of people or go solo and then just que yourlef in through a load screen. then you could do missions in there. but dont think they'll take that approach so will be interesting to see what they'll do

[untold totem]

They are not gonna focus on Survival anymore

[weak basalt]

o

[clever vortex]

👀

[weak basalt]

so that instance thing might be a possability

[lime forge]

That’s not necessarily true. They’re not gonna aim for realistic survival.

[stray elm]

ARK-2 is still survival. Just the lackluster survival mechanics of ARK-1

[untold totem]

If they just merge food and water stats, that would be great

[stray elm]

Footer

[lime forge]

I just hope they make my guy quit moaning when he’s hungry

I’d rather be aimbotted than listen to that

[weak basalt]

yeah just make it a stomach stat haha

imagine if you bloated when you ate too much

[stray elm]

[weak basalt]

id be fat all the time lol, i never just eat whats needed, i just spam it lol

[untold totem]

NPC turret of ATLAS: Allow me to introduce myself

[fiery wedge]

Okay well currency being implmented in ark 2 wouldn't really fit into the games setting because of the fact that people are all scattered about and divided into different groups that wouldn't find someone trying to propose some kind of currency to be useful in the slightest and neither would the npcs you're helping, for a currency to even begin people have to be united, which the people of ark are all but

I forgot the other point I was gonna make ffs

[lime forge]

Bird must be proofreading lol

[fiery wedge]

No I just couldn't remember the second half

I've had 2 hours of sleep in the last 2 days

[lime forge]

How do we know the npc survivors aren’t all united under Santiago’s banner though?

Not that I agree that it necessarily matters

[fiery wedge]

When have arks survivors all been united?

[untold totem]

Tbf they are kinda united in Gen 2 as part of the Fed project

But is a stretch

[lime forge]

We’re looking to the future here not the past. We have a common enemy in the Aratai. Although separate factions with their own form of currency could be cool too.

[fiery wedge]

Bruh the people of gen 2 are sitting in a Tek pod

[untold totem]

And about to land in Arat....

The Tek pods are literally is seen in the ending

[fiery wedge]

So?

[untold totem]

You are confusing yourself and everyone around you tbh

[fiery wedge]

Lots of people in a new area, you really don't think people are all gonna just see another group and get along do you?

[fiery wedge]

That's literally you half the time you type

[stray elm]

You're both idiots half of the time.

[untold totem]

Same with you tbh because last time I checked those pods in Gen 1 is still connected to the pods in Gen 2 ending and ARK 2 trailer

[fiery wedge]

Woah no shit really?

[untold totem]

Don't claim yourself to be smart all the time

[stray elm]

Did I once claim that?

Where in that message, does it say "I'm smarter then you all."

[untold totem]

Currently now

[untold totem]

This

[stray elm]

'That' message.

[fiery wedge]

XD

[untold totem]

Got em

[stray elm]

You didn't get shit, when you apparently can't read properly.

[fiery wedge]

😂

Please tell me you're being sarcastic

[untold totem]

Nah I like to mess with people sometimes

[fiery wedge]

Let's talk about something not dumb

Like if official is gonna be crossplay or some shit

[lime forge]

That’s a limited topic. We already know it will be.

[fiery wedge]

Where?

[lime forge]

They’ve announced it already it’s in the top pinned post

[fiery wedge]

I searched crossplay and it didn't come up so

[lime forge]

You’re right. That was cross platform modding I was thinking of.

[fiery wedge]

Can't wait to watch PC players on this game run around with scripts so that they're untouchable eventually

They better have a good anticheat if they're going with "soulslike" combat

[lime forge]

I’m cautiously optimistic that cheating won’t be an issue in Ark 2.

[fiery wedge]

Because cheating in that genre of game is way more severely unfair

[fiery wedge]

Idk man I've had my head taken off by a PC player on Xbox official before

Those $600 dollar cheats go hard

[lime forge]

I’m hoping that enforcement is one of the top changes they make in Ark 2

It’s certainly the top complaint in Ark 1, with server stability a solid second

[fiery wedge]

I'm hoping that they have literally any anticheat at all at the very least

[lime forge]

Except Battle Eye. Those guys are fired

[fiery wedge]

Oh wait I forgot that piece of garbage existed

Literally useless 😂

[lime forge]

All it does is cause connection issues

[fiery wedge]

You think they'll wipe all the EA official servers when the full game releases?

Eh, they probably will.

[lime forge]

Idk. Did they do so with Ark 1?

[fiery wedge]

Yeah

[lime forge]

Probably will then. But who knows.

I’m probably just gonna start on unofficial and see how official looks after awhile

[fiery wedge]

Wonder if they'll make rates as cancerously low as they were on og ark

[lime forge]

God I hope not. That shit was to much before I had a job

[fiery wedge]

When a giga took a month to raise and there were no maewings 😬

Back when ark truly was life lol

[paper notch]

Como ark2 vaya igual q ark vaya mierda porq hay más bug que juego

[lime forge]

Wrong chat bro

[fiery wedge]

Bruh why did his PFP load in like 5 seconds after he typed

[paper notch]

@lime forge porq

[fiery wedge]

I mean it has ark 2 in the message

Google translate time

[lime forge]

English only

[paper notch]

Pues lo traduces y te aguantas

[lime forge]

No habla espanol

[fiery wedge]

Se supone que ark 2 es un nuevo juego creado con un nuevo código original para que tenga menos errores.

Idk if that's right lol

[paper notch]

Pues mala suerte

[fiery wedge]

Well I'm going to sleep

[paper notch]

Aver si es verdad

[lime forge]

Night bird

[fiery wedge]

@lime forge Wait I remembered the second half of what I was gonna say earlier about currency while brushing my teeth lol.

Short version is that not having currency would incentivise more player to player communication (which is something people seem to want) from you trading with people to trade with another person to get what you want. Also having a currency system that's earned by doing a mission or whatever would be extremely limiting of what a player could do to trade for items, possibly not even allowing newer players to trade at all if they can't run missions or whatever.

Now I'm off to bed fr gn

[lime forge]

My first response is that currency in the current Ark is entirely mission based. My second response is trading would still be encouraged person to person, currency would just be another medium for it. Trading for goods would still be possible.

[tropic forge]

as far as i seeing on various games having free market is always bad for game community for only a handful of ppl will monopolize the market making it extreme hard for others and ruing the game for many ppl, latest example is new world

[lime forge]

New world is not a good example. Allowing players to set tax rates for the player base and decide who gets to join server wide content was doomed from the start. Hundreds of multiplayer games have currency and free markets and function just fine.

[tropic crag]

Ever played WoW? Neverwinter? Literally any other MMO than New World? Lol

Both have great trade systems

[tropic forge]

i dont believe thats a good idea on my view, for me if the game as a installed market it should be devs making the prices so there's no speculation and other crap

[tropic crag]

Hell, even RUNESCAPE has an amazing trade system

[weak basalt]

devs stuff shit like taht up, and then never fix. where as a player market changes based on these exploits

[tropic forge]

now if y'all talking about market like ark 1 yeh i dont mind cause its really a questions who needs what and a waiting time for prices to go down when they start on insane amount

[tropic crag]

Oh boy, he's back to not making sense...

Diablo 3 had a good trading system/auction house thing, probably even the best as far as the auction house goes

[weak basalt]

example, running capitalizm mod on my old server with npc traders we worked out that just using charge with a trike through trees got that much thatch that it was literally the fastest way to make money. and tat was using ratios made by other players doing research lol. thankfuly the person that found this out on my server told me and i was able to change it to better suite teh effort put in...but ark devs will never fix anything if taht happens

[tropic forge]

diablo 3 had real cash trading system 😄 in the beginning and we all know how that was

[lime forge]

That’s literally a free market lol

[tropic crag]

If you mean widely regarded as one of the best auction houses in an mmo setting, then yes, we do all know how that was, I'd hope

[weak basalt]

its not that its an "insane amount"...its litearlly that theres not much of it...once items are more abundant the price changes. happens in every game. world of warcraft will have a potion or flask at like 1k gold per 1 start of an expansion...then when theres more people selling and more peopel with those items....goes down to 50-100 gold

[tropic forge]

its diferent compare to a free ingame market where some ppl monopolize some certain stuff to make sure they get well pay for it

[tropic crag]

ESO does the same thing, new content/items drop, items costs a bunch of money til it's been out a while, or if it's new meta the price stays high. Nothing new there, so I have no idea what you're getting at

[lime forge]

It’s not different from a free market. You have something to sell, you post it with your asking price and others decide what they’re willing to pay for it.

[weak basalt]

honestly real life also does that. new product comes out, charges half a million for it. then drops prices when either new stuff comes out or too many cheap chinese copies come out

[lime forge]

So long as there isn’t anything that is only available on the market place at player set prices there will be no problems

[tropic crag]

ESO's guild trader system could actually work really well with tribes and NPC traders you bid on every now and then, now that I think about it...

[tropic forge]

pls no bids bad experience whit bots

[tropic crag]

*except like unique dino colors and lines, maybe

[tropic crag]

You don't understand how it works in ESO, then. No bots involved

[tropic forge]

ho i dont know ESO, but had some experience in bid markets and there was bots or at least software running making it impossible to get cheap items or reasoned prices

i just dont like bids just buy or dont buy

[tropic crag]

Well, can't really add anything to that...

Gonna sleep, I guess. Deuces for now 🖖

[lime forge]

I could take or leave bids. Buy out option should always be available though.

[blissful perch]

agree about Dens, although gameplay wise they may resemble natural fight arenas

[blissful perch]

this may be the most true thing I've ever seen you message. Mad respect

[blissful perch]

I believe Mazzy has not taken economics, which...certainly applies to gaming at a certain scale when specialization is possible. Ie, most MMOs with player driven markets

[blissful perch]

some MMOs solve this issue by having "NPC/default" items at fixed prices to anchor the value of currency

I liked reading the discussion fellas, thanks for choosing an interesting topic rather than the perspective or something equally dull

[cursive eagle]

Hope they change how spawn rates effected by structures work

[stray elm]

Is the witch not talking right now?

[cursive eagle]

so that one foundation cant stop a whole area from spawning for 14 days

[blissful perch]

Ideally it’s a small enough radius to build interior courtyards where plants can grow but not too small…since I wouldn’t want it spawning native creatures in

[lime forge]

Are you only gonna talk when bird is here to question him about whether or not you can talk?

[lime forge]

Yeah it’s all good though. Some people are just adamant about change and their disposition for it. As someone who wants fireballs are won’t change his mind I get it.

[stray elm]

Nah, I'm thinking of doing the opposite.
Only talking when they're gone.

[blissful perch]

There’s no shortage of issues with poorly implemented currency, but it’s a pretty solid and standard idea for an MMO with any form of player specialization. Now if ark the series wants to slowly drop the MMO in favor of a more “fixed server immersion” experience that’s another deal

[stray elm]

Trust me, I was reading that whole convo and I was facepalming.

[blissful perch]

Not everyone has the privilege of learning economics and not everyone instantly knows about the subject’s applications to game design lol

But yes, there were some facepalm moments for sure

[ripe cedar]

Would be cool if plants could grow closer and closer to a base the longer no one had logged in to show it was abandoned

[stray elm]

Skill issue.
(obvious jk.)

[blissful perch]

Cool concept for sure, but I just hated the number of times I had a tree in my base that looked cool…only to be knocked over and never regrown. Refertilizer is only so good

[lilac steeple]

half life 1 realtime moss

[spiral kernel]

bro i

id like a scientifically accurate spino

[lime forge]

I’d like to keep Astrodelphis

[past wind]

The scientifically accurate spino is boring LOL

[spiral kernel]

oh

[past wind]

Jurassic Park spino >>>

[spiral kernel]

bro what about a trike with porcupine quills

[past wind]

That would be amazing indeed

[spiral kernel]

maybe on the tail

[past wind]

I hope the Carchar Will be day one on the base game

[stray elm]

True.

Maybe that's the release.

[spiral kernel]

yea

also a correct size of a dilo

[ripe marsh]

I'd be fine as long as they give it a paddle tail

[spiral kernel]

thats what i want

[stray elm]

No

[spiral kernel]

what

yes i wanna ride a dilo

[stray elm]

I like the adorable little shits.

[spiral kernel]

ahh ok, maybe a variant then

[ripe marsh]

or dinos/tames can spawn in varying sizes

[stray elm]

True, that could work.

[spiral kernel]

yes

[ripe marsh]

like the fish in ark 1

[stray elm]

Also, you have to remember that these aren't pure-dinosaurs.
They're fictional counterparts that never existed.

[spiral kernel]

yes

know a question

[stray elm]

(Cause the rex isn't even a rex in-canon, and just a subspecies that looks like the Jurassic Park rex.)

[spiral kernel]

since the ship crashed on arat, will the creatures like the tek stryder be on arat

or maewing

[split dove]

could be, but i'd rather have them stay in ark 1

[stray elm]

The ship actually didn't crash on Arat, but debree did.

[spiral kernel]

oh

nvm then

[stray elm]

Depends what happened to the Ring

The Eden-ring is what lies that question.

So far, we have yet to see where the Eden-Ring is.

[spiral kernel]

yes

[blissful perch]

Maybe by the time ark 2 comes to PlayStation a form of stryder will have come out

[stray elm]

People thought the floating rocks at the end of the first ARK-2 trailer was the ring, but the newer ARK-2 trailer shows that those are just natural formations on this planet.
But we 'do' see some debree in the background. But that looks more like a chunk from the ship then the Eden-Ring.

[spiral kernel]

yes

well maybe

[stray elm]

Since the Genesis-ship itself was crashing on a larger celestial body, and not Arat.
Makes me wonder if we'll ever be able to travel to the planet later on and see the full crashed ship, with the corpse of Rockwell.

[spiral kernel]

so besides the point i also want a correct quetzal

[stray elm]

No

[spiral kernel]

oh

but also what about one of the demogorgon looking plants

the corpse flower i think

[past wind]

Based on the last stream, there will be tek on Ark II. But it will be something more magical and mysterious.

At first I thought tek would be completely gone

[spiral kernel]

yea more primal for me

or i want primal

[past wind]

It will be. At least at the beginning

[spiral kernel]

until further dlcs probably

[blissful perch]

Tek will likely not be available to players like in ark 1

[spiral kernel]

also will we have bosses

[split dove]

time will tell

[blissful perch]

My understanding of the pax west stream was that tek as a world element (like the obelisks) is what they were referring to. I’m sensing the tek suit is dead

[spiral kernel]

its has taken long enough

[past wind]

My conjecture: they will give access to some of the tek to the players, the QoL stuff

Like teleports and cryos

But it will be something “magical” to the survivors

Not something we will dominate completely

[spiral kernel]

if they do something magical, maybe the chimera, hydra or something like that

that give us like an acid spear or bullets

or some sort of weapon

[past wind]

As I understood it, it’s not real magic. But technological stuff that the survivors don’t completely dominate

[spiral kernel]

oh then nevermind

[past wind]

Agreed. But I think they might bring the QoL stuff too. Like cryos and teleports.

[blissful perch]

Teleporters absolutely not

[past wind]

But, maybe, those won’t be craftable as survivors won’t dominate tek

[split dove]

if they were to bring either of those back, the only real one i'd see are cryo esc items

[blissful perch]

Perhaps a fast travel technique, but the tek structures I have the least expectation of coming back

[past wind]

Not as we know it

[blissful perch]

QoL ≠ tek

[past wind]

But from specific places to specif places

[blissful perch]

You can have troughs refrigerate and not be a tek trough

[past wind]

I’m not saying they are =

I mean some of QoL TEK stuff might be brought to ark 2

[past wind]

Sure, I’m thinking about the things that can’t be replaced like cryos and teleportation (not talking about the teleports we craft and use, but teleportation to special places like on Fjordur).

They can bring some of the stuff back, but as the survivors don’t dominate TEK it won’t work 100% like before

That’s a way to limit the OP features

[spiral kernel]

all i want is ark but with better graphics

[past wind]

Based on what they say, graphically it’s definitely way better.

[spiral kernel]

yea the devs said the game looks like the trailers

[past wind]

UE5 can achieve way better graphics than UE4

[spiral kernel]

yes

[split dove]

now that ark 2 isn't held back by last gen consoles the game can be better aswell

[spiral kernel]

now i wonder, what does the chameleon do, is it even important, since i am talking about trailers

[split dove]

won't know untill we play/wildcard talks about it, my guess is that it's just the dodo of arats forest. we do know it can camoflage

[spiral kernel]

bro only like 6 more months

but also the extra life event

[split dove]

we didn't think we'd get anything at pax, but we atleast got some new info

[spiral kernel]

i didn't go, what did they share?

[split dove]

they talked about ''dens'' wich will be a dynamic world event where you can fight creatures, but unlike the gauntlet missions from genesis you won't be limited to what you can use

[spiral kernel]

oh wait i see it on the ark news

oh ok

[blissful perch]

Are you intending to play ark 2 on PS? If so, you’ve got a longer wait

[spiral kernel]

balls

ok well i have steam (but i don't play on steam) and it may be controller accessible

[stray elm]

This is true

But I still want my tek

[past wind]

What is also true is Tek brought most of the QoL features 😖

They can do it differently for ark II for sure

But some features are not easily replaceable like Cryos

[stray elm]

Well.
Downside of no-tek

[lime forge]

There’s likely gonna be something that takes the cryos place. Those were brought around for a reason and it wasn’t QoL.

[stray elm]

Well, it was actually

They where added to reduce the lag of tames

[past wind]

In my opinion they were brought for QoL reasons. Ask anyone who raised a Giga before cryos…

[lime forge]

They were brought into the game to aid in server performance not to make our lives easier. That was just a bonus. They’re likely gonna have a replacement in Ark 2 as well for the same purpose.

[split dove]

as long as it's not a 1 to 1 pokeball i'll take it

[past wind]

There were a lot of complaints about the breeding mechanics. I’m sure they brought them for QoL purposes too.

They had 2 options, redesign the breeding mechanics or create tools to help

[split dove]

let's hope they do option 1 correctly this time

[lime forge]

I’m hoping it’s a type of structure

[split dove]

our stable idea is basicly that

[past wind]

Would be better for sure

Like the propagator but less Op

[fiery wedge]

They had to intentionally be designed to make things easier so that people would actually use them

[lime forge]

I understand that. My point though is that they’re more than likely gonna have some form of replacement due to the purpose they were designed for initially.

[blissful perch]

or they can do some other form of tame limit...for example a more traditional summon list

[lime forge]

That would feel strange. What would you propose?

[iron sequoia]

[untold totem]

Y e t

[stray elm]

I am hyped to see the redesign of tek, though. (environmental tek, before anyone asks)

[untold totem]

Basically ab/ext ruins but more grass

[lavish rain]

Masterwell, professional tek cultist

[stray elm]

Not at all what they said.

Extinction ruins still look like generic sci-fi metal.

[untold totem]

Just need more grass

It doesn't looked like a ruins to me

More like a moldy metal structure

[stray elm]

Right.
And that's why they're redesigning tek

[untold totem]

I was gonna say mossy but moldy sounds about right

[stray elm]

Nah, hang on. They did describe it

They stated in the PAX livestream that they're changing the artstyle/design of tek-based stuff.
More of something that is beyond our under our understanding. So I personally think it'll gain a more alien look. (since something from thousands of years in the future that is made by a alien resource would 100% look alien to earlier humans)
At that, tek is also going to be treated as a "beautiful, yet dangerous thing if it's in the wrong hands"

So, I kind of imagine the pulsating metal bits that're coming out of the tek-cave. If you remember any of those.

[untold totem]

Yey more meat metal

[stray elm]

Basically

[untold totem]

I am a sucker for anything organic looking machines so yee

[stray elm]

@untold totem If you remember these metal-bits
They're also sometimes in caves.

[untold totem]

Yep

Sunken Forest as well

[stray elm]

Those 100% look alien.
While tek in-game just looks like advanced metal. 😅

So yeah, the way they described tek. I'm happy with the redesign.

[untold totem]

I mean the Enforcer is somewhat organic looking

Just that it looked like it wore armor

[fiery wedge]

You do know that when they say "redesign" they mean that by its function and place in the game and not its looks?

[mossy patrol]

Will there be Russian in ARK 2?

[stray elm]

Like, a Russian translation?

[mossy patrol]

yes

[stray elm]

We don't know

Doesn't ARK currently have Russian translation?

[mossy patrol]

The new "ARK 2" has only English

[stray elm]

Game isn't out yet.
So, how do you know this?

Unless you meant the trailers.

[mossy patrol]

So stated on Steam

[stray elm]

Well, yeah.
Cause the game isn't out yet.

Took ARK-1 I believe a few years post-launch to translate to other languages.

[mossy patrol]

Will wait

[stray elm]

[lavish rain]

Hold up

[stray elm]

Jesse and Jeremy described it.

[lavish rain]

I'm so confused

[stray elm]

Why?

[lavish rain]

They said no tek wtf my brain is being deep fried

[stray elm]

'Sigh'

[lavish rain]

Now they saying they're redesigning it

[stray elm]

No tek that's "USABLE"
We've talked about this.

This is environmental based stuff.
Like the debree of the ship.

[lavish rain]

"Beautiful yet dangerous in the wrong hands" wtf what's that supposed to mean

[lavish rain]

I get that but like

[stray elm]

How the tek-war started.

[lavish rain]

Why why is that mentioned in ark2

[stray elm]

Element on its own isn't harmful, as seen on Genesis-2.
But in the wrong political hands. It can be worse then Hydrogen-Bombs.

[stray elm]

To probably emphasize it's unique but horror properties.

[lavish rain]

Ooh horor tek game

[stray elm]

I'm imagining akin to the tek-pieces in the walls of caves, if you remember those.

The alien looking ass shit that pulsates.

[lavish rain]

I'm supposed to be the lord of Ex

[stray elm]

Deus Ex?

[lavish rain]

No

[stray elm]

Lord of your Ex?

[lavish rain]

No

Tf

[stray elm]

The fuck is "Ex" then?

[tropic crag]

They aren't putting the tek tier in the game, I don't know how people keep misreading it as such...

[lavish rain]

So you saying a tek rifle is gonna look like a fucking call of duty zombies wonder weapon

[stray elm]

Lotus already knew this, now.

[tropic crag]

Apparently not lol

[lavish rain]

I'm confused as to the whole redesigning it for ark2

[stray elm]

Well, that's 'if' they readd tek. Sure.
I meant more like the ship will look like a CoDs zombies wondereweapon

[tropic crag]

They are redesigning tek as a concept in the game, not tek tier. Tek tier does not equal tek as a whole

[stray elm]

Right.

[lavish rain]

I fucking know

[stray elm]

They're redesigning the artistic look of stuff like obelisks (for example)

[lavish rain]

I'm confused on the redesign of tek as a concept

[tropic crag]

Then why say you are still confused?

[stray elm]

Obelisks are considered "tek"

[tropic crag]

Your implant is tek

[stray elm]

Currently, they just look like generic sci-fi metal.

[tropic crag]

The ship we came in on is tek

[lavish rain]

The redesign on tek for ark2, is what I meant

[stray elm]

Their point is that, a obelisk (in theory) will look more alien like, then that metal look.

[tropic crag]

Obelisks are a bad example, if only for them not being in 2

[lavish rain]

He'll naw I sing gonna have ark2 obelisk look like fjordur obelisks

[tropic crag]

The ship is going to be though

[stray elm]

Right.
Which tek is only (that we know of) is environmental based stuff like obelisks.

[stray elm]

That's his own fault if he took my "in theory" literal

[tropic crag]

Do you know Lotus?

[stray elm]

Yes.
He's right here.

[lavish rain]

I'm not having a genesis ship biome look like a satanic black magic ritual area

[stray elm]

I don't know man.
That'd look pretty poggers.

[lavish rain]

Who knows maybey we will have an Easter egg to get tek items

For looks

Like skins

[stray elm]

Well, if they do anything with my idea I suggested.
We might later on get a form of salvaged-tek

[tropic crag]

Press X to doubt

[lavish rain]

They said no tek

So they'd have to rename it ever so slyly

[tropic crag]

In the base game

[stray elm]

No shit, Sherlock.
That's only due to the brokeness of tek.

[lavish rain]

[tropic crag]

It also doesn't have to be tek to be element enhanced

It could be like element enhanced chitin this time around, who knows

[lavish rain]

People gonna rage with element enhancements

[stray elm]

"Salvaged-tek" is tek pieces that you put onto armor or tools.
This salvaged-tek wouldn't work, but would give the armor or tool a shit load, if not the most amount of durability.
But it either slows you down due to having literal hunks of broken tek on you, or if it's on weapons, less sharp, but more durable.

And to give context of why I said "if they do anything with it"
Cedric did react to the idea, and was interested in it. So we'll see if anything comes out of it or not.

[lavish rain]

Ayo? 🤨

[tropic crag]

I wouldn't really find that all too far off, either. We already know that exists because of the hatchet and spear in the trailer

[lavish rain]

Do you have some pact with cedric?

[stray elm]

It was when he was looking for primitive technology suggestions.

[tropic crag]

In a way, that is

[stray elm]

Right.
I did also state "It wouldn't make sense to not do anything with the ship that's on the planet, since in theory. People would be swarming to it for resources, even if it isn't tek stuff they make out of it."

Which, he didn't say anything on it.
But iirr, he did like the comment.

[tropic crag]

Well, that part doesn't really matter as much, imo. The tools he has in the trailer more or less confirm that we'll have something similar to what you've said. Maybe even as a starter material, like we break apart the pod we drop down in and use it to make our first tools and such.

[stray elm]

True

[plush whale]

I heard somewhere that its gonna have new pvp mechanics like some sorta RPG or somethin?

[stray elm]

Yep

[tropic crag]

Either way, I'm a big fan of stuff like that; reclaimed high technology stuff that finds a new purpose via use by those that are less advanced/less technologically abled. It's part of why I really liked Lightyear, lmao. The thought of them crash landing on the planet and just going with what they got is so sick to me

[sudden junco]

so will we have to play as a character or is it multiplayer

[stray elm]

Read the steam page

[tropic crag]

And the pins

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[tropic crag]

Bye lol

[stray elm]

Bye then.

[lavish rain]

I'm breathing air and drink sparkling water while ordering my midnight blue bugatti

[tropic crag]

Why are you still chatting here? You've already said you weren't getting Ark 2, this is a channel for discussing Ark 2...

[stray elm]

[stray elm]

Bruh.
Stop engaging in them if you want them to stop. xD

[plush whale]

I can do what i want

[tropic crag]

If you aren't buying it, then you have nothing useful to say, tf outta here

[stray elm]

Bruce, remember the term "out of sight, out of mind"

[tropic crag]

But he's in sight

[ripe cedar]

block feature

[stray elm]

Not with two buttons

It's as easy as 'one' and 'two' Bruce

[tropic crag]

Meh, I'm not that petty.

[stray elm]

Be petty.

[lavish rain]

"Sir this is a Wendy's"

[stray elm]

Be angry.

[tropic crag]

Get mad? Make them take back the lemons? Tell them I don't want their damn lemons?

[lavish rain]

@plush whale sur this is a Wendy's

[tropic crag]

Except not let you emoji the person who blocked you, that is. Which is how you can tell who's blocked you, and why I thought you did that one time @stray elm

[lavish rain]

Yeah why's that an issue

I've played official pvp before I was hell

[stray elm]

Oh no, I actually did.
I just wanted to fuck with you cause you made me mad. So I decided to fuck with you.

[lavish rain]

sigh @iron sequoia

[jaunty nexus]

What’s going on here

[stray elm]

Godzilla is destroying Tokyo.

[plush whale]

I'm upsetting people because i said ark 2 will suck

[tropic crag]

I know, Discord doesn't just do that lol

[stray elm]

Nah, it does.

[tropic crag]

No, it doesn't