ark-2

[south lance]

Whoa desmodus emote

[untold ingot]

I will be the first to say that leveling from 142 tp 190 is a bit ridiculous how much xp you need, but leveling from 1 to 105 should take waaay longer to get

[stray elm]

[lavish rain]

I said that i was the one coming from official

[lavish rain]

Ok, just dont do a note run then, if your starting a new character to have an early game experience, just dont do a note run, it's not that hard

[stray elm]

Should've clarified.

[untold ingot]

My point is that it ruins the entire game progression, it's not just a personal preference lol

[south lance]

Early game experience on official is level 100

[lavish rain]

It dosent if it's optional

[lavish rain]

As it should be

Past 130 it's hard to level

[untold ingot]

It is currently, which is why the game is entirely tek now

[lavish rain]

That's for other reasons

[blissful perch]

you can also make things take less exp if there are less insanely easy ways to get it

[untold ingot]

Because the leveling system failed, so the only progress became bosses

[lavish rain]

Leveling system did not fail

[untold ingot]

It doesn't represent progression, so imo it failed

[south lance]

Theres a stupid amount of work that went into placing engrams at specific levels that currently is completely irrelevant

A whole progression system bypassed by cheese

[lavish rain]

There was never a progression system like that

If none of us did "cheese" we'd all be level 90 rn

[south lance]

No?

[untold ingot]

It literally takes like an hour on 1x xp to hit level 70 without cheese of any kind

[south lance]

Itd take like a week or 2 to hit 100 on most moderately boosted servers

[lavish rain]

Explorer not count as cheese

[south lance]

Without any special xp boosting

[untold ingot]

I definitely do count explorer notes as cheese lol

[south lance]

Explorer notes get you level 70 in about 5 minutes

[lavish rain]

Doing what

[tropic forge]

a week or two for 100 lvl? thats like 3 or 4 titanosaurus

[untold ingot]

Literally bobbing the game

[south lance]

Literally just crafting and killing stuff

[lavish rain]

You said an hour

[untold ingot]

Yes, literally an hour

[south lance]

Im ignoring stuff like titanos or whatever

[lavish rain]

Start to finish, please dm

I always forget titanosaurs

[tropic forge]

still 2 weeks is to much if the server as plenty of alphas rooming around

[south lance]

Eh fair ig

Still more reasonable than 105 in 6 hours

[untold ingot]

Go play an hour of ark, that literally what it takes to hit level 70

[lavish rain]

With a fresh character that's false

You have litterrally no buildings

And no access to cheese

[blissful perch]

i hit level 60-70 in an hour on fjordur by accident running into runes

[lavish rain]

With old rates

[tropic forge]

actually if you wanna go hardcore one purple drop in ext and about 5 to 6 waves i think its enough to max out 105 lvl

[lavish rain]

Those runes are busted

[untold ingot]

I did it at the start of fjordur

[karmic lynx]

help someone to raid an ice on an unofficial server

[lavish rain]

Then you used runes

[lavish rain]

#735196267373920286

[untold ingot]

They are 2x notes, and I didn't use any, I was actually trying not to level lol

[south lance]

Literally #ark-2 chat

[karmic lynx]

talk to me on discord

solo de pc epic y steam

[lavish rain]

Tf did u do

Craft rafts?

Cloth hats?

[untold ingot]

Single canoe, and killed a single alpha, other than that just normal crafting stuff

[lavish rain]

What level was the alpha

[untold ingot]

24

[lavish rain]

What did you use to kill it

[untold ingot]

Crossbow

[karmic lynx]

talk to me

[south lance]

Oh moderatorrrrr

[untold ingot]

I don't understand how this is so hard to get lol

[lavish rain]

Megalodon?

[untold ingot]

Raptor

[tropic forge]

you should ask is how much boots that server as

[lavish rain]

Because I leveled on old rates

[lavish rain]

He said 1x

[untold ingot]

Which aren't a thing in ark anymore

[tropic forge]

naaa call it bullshit

[south lance]

Raq was this offi

[untold ingot]

Offi settings

[south lance]

So sp

[lavish rain]

Cool you got a lucky alpha kill

[untold ingot]

No, not sp

[south lance]

Oh?

I dont really doubt the rates just the alpha raptor level

[untold ingot]

I don't understand why you guys are grilling me so much on this lol, literally start a new character, pretend you have some game experience, and just play. You'll hit ~70 to 80 in an hour or a little over

[tropic forge]

there isent a lvl 24 unless its unofficial setting

[south lance]

Or sp

Or tek i suppose but thats trivial

[blissful perch]

tek alpha raptor when?

[tropic forge]

tek dosent have alphas right? i dont recall

[lavish rain]

We need tek alphas

[south lance]

Tek alpha rex level 300

[lavish rain]

We need tek Mosas and tek gigas to be actual spawn
Genesis 2 you had one job

[lavish rain]

that's a brute

[untold ingot]

Nekatus is making alpha theris and alpha deinos on his new map

[south lance]

Idk bruh

[tropic forge]

but anyway in one hour start from scratch just making stuff and killing some dinos and one alpha raptor lvl 24 aint enough to get you to 70 i believe in 1x

[south lance]

Alpha theri 👀 👀 👀

Same aggro mechanic as leeds 🤔

[blissful perch]

like I said, I hit level 70 or so doing something similar

something like a level 15 alpha raptor for me (Fjordur had a billion alphas at the time) and some runes

[tropic forge]

if was like 150 alpha raptor then i would say its very possible to getting to 70 but still raptor aint a carno o rex so they dont give that crazy boots

[south lance]

I miss old fjordur alpa spawns

[lavish rain]

Bring back alpha raptor spawns

[south lance]

Itd make chibis worth my time

[tropic forge]

want caos? bring back allo packs from old days 🤣

[bleak elm]

i hope concavenator gets added one day-

[lavish rain]

I always got a chili to like level 5 then I lose it, that's was before fjordhawks

[bleak elm]

i have an idea of how theyll work

[south lance]

Wonder what happened to the carchar update

Its already almost fall

[blissful perch]

you mean the ark additions one I hate, or a more faithful recreation of concavenator

[lavish rain]

Ark additions cryolos, litterrally OPat knocking anything out, or better Dino pachy, gods of taming

[lavish rain]

I'd rather tek charchar

[south lance]

Either

[bleak elm]

basicly there multicolored, but like the sino it can scare bigger creatchures withthere hump, unlike yutyranno dinos wont go aggro

[south lance]

Just gimme a new dino

[tropic forge]

if they give you a dino means ark 2 gonna be delay again

[blissful perch]

but the amount of structure that old level progression used to give was all lost with note runs and breeding

[lavish rain]

Aratai that rob you like it's a heist

[blissful perch]

before those two things, you actually had to use more of the early game engrams to do stuff

[lavish rain]

Not really

[tropic forge]

bolas running a lot using rocks 🤣

[lavish rain]

What you miss was when people didn't know about those things, those have always been in the hame

Game

[blissful perch]

no?

notes were added after a while, as was breeding lol

[tropic forge]

yup

[lavish rain]

The time was like 2 months

You acting like a majority of players played before that

[tropic forge]

and there wasent a note run before the game when out "official"

[lavish rain]

Pretty sure there wad

[tropic forge]

if i recall the time i starrt playing the max lvl was 100

[lavish rain]

Pretty sure the notes were in the same places

[blissful perch]

it was a long time in EA lol

[lavish rain]

People just didn't know about how to optimally do it

[blissful perch]

what I miss was the sense of actually needing to create ways to get exp so getting that cool saddle felt like something

[tropic forge]

there was not tek cave on volcano and actually there was land on the top whit lots of metal nodes and ankys falling the map from ppl that left them there

[blissful perch]

although yes, exp grinding sucked, it was certainly better than afk breeding timers

[lavish rain]

Donf act like I never knew that existed

[stray elm]

Notes came out a bit before official release.

[lavish rain]

But the notes thing was a decent sized mindfuck

[tropic forge]

they did but max lvl was 100 so no one was going in note runs there was no point

[lavish rain]

Early players
Pvp players

[stray elm]

They where still useful for people starting new characters and wanting to speed up to level 100

[tropic forge]

back then ppl would get gigas and kill titans on the island and center to lvl up alts on pve

[lavish rain]

Cool, these days we use thylas because it's better

[tropic forge]

going for SE to kill wyverns was a good way too to lvl up better when was alpha wyvern

[lavish rain]

Yada yada

[blissful perch]

the point is that there was a time before these things existed and exp grinding was a more deliberate affair

which made the engram unlock system more meaningful to people: since level 40 versus 70 actually meant something in terms of what you generally had progressed to in terms of base size and tames

[lavish rain]

It never meant anything to me

[ripe cedar]

I mean if they can make xp grinding not be endlessly crafting high value xp item for you to never use or killing a bunch of high value dinos that spawn nearby then i’ll be suprised

[blissful perch]

that's not changing person (at least, not likely)

[lavish rain]

"Earn xp by completing key objectives" vanguard zombies all over again 🥱

[blissful perch]

what would change is removing the insanely fast, insanely easy methods of notes and baby/tame kills

[ripe cedar]

Still should definately think more about the xp gain from crafting and killing because rn some things have weird values

[blissful perch]

right but micro values aren't really the point of contention lol

[untold ingot]

I think craftables should be on a totally different xp tree

[blissful perch]

...from what?

[untold ingot]

Like sure put skills and stats for xp, but engrams should have a different system

Well, rust has one type of engram learning system that is entirely different from levels

[blissful perch]

pretty sure knowledge is what's used for skills, and knowledge comes from missions/special actions

[untold ingot]

I am hoping it's the other way around

[blissful perch]

I think that's actually confirmed in the steam page/forum post

[trail monolith]

Trapinch man

[tiny furnace]

A mission reward thing for the engrams would mean people actually have to do stuff for the engrams

[untold ingot]

Did it say skills come from the knowledge tree?

[tiny furnace]

Im just confused why they released a new map instead of focusing almost entirely on updates and ark 2

[blissful perch]

right, get knowledge from missions and special actions -> spend it in the skill tree

[untold ingot]

Because fjordur deserved to be released on official

[blissful perch]

and bc there's concurrent development...support for ark 1 is wise to maintain for at least a brief period into ark 2

[untold ingot]

They have some weird commas that can be interpreted either way

[lavish rain]

Objective based progression, vanguard zombies vibes 🥱

[tiny furnace]

Yea but if theyre working on another game then why make a new map on the game thats been losing players

[untold totem]

i dunno, they are kinda rising after they made ARK 1 free in steam for a week

[untold ingot]

They didn't make it

[blissful perch]

you prefer no progression or "do the same thing 1000 times progression"?

[lavish rain]

Do same thing 1000 times

Dead serious

[untold totem]

tbh if the progression is linear then its basically "do the same thing 1000 times progression" but longer

[tiny furnace]

They have to remake the map tho dont they

[untold totem]

the mod maker is still working on it even as an official map, just with a little addons from WC like the creature submissions

[blissful perch]

visible confusion

[untold ingot]

They didn't do much really lol

[blissful perch]

it's only do the same thing 1000 times if you progress from scratch 1000 times

that's...the entire appeal of objective based progression. That you do different objectives to progress

[untold totem]

the thing is, the objectives are kinda end up the same copy paste thing like Gen has until they ran out of ideas

hence the "linear" of it

[lavish rain]

I'm not gonna be locked and unable to progress until I tame a gallimimus

[tiny furnace]

U mean u will be until u tame a galli

Embrace ur inner syntac

[blissful perch]

...that's not what linear means

[untold totem]

and dont get me started with "one time" events that will never be playable again (like most mmos)

[lavish rain]

Bane of my existence

[blissful perch]

we don't really know if the VD voice acted sections of the game are meant to be repeated or not

but my guess is that the ark community would ree something foul if they had to grind missions where they had to wait for VD to finish talking to finish them

so my suspicion is that they'll act as knowledge point granting "do them once per character" missions

[untold totem]

if you are talking about the offline SP experience then it's fine being linear, i am talking about multiplayer and how "progression" works or "progression" ever exists at all

[blissful perch]

linear is not what you think it is lol. You can choose between multiple avenues or objectives (ie, not linear) and still have objectives be the primary progression gatekeepers

observe breath of the wild: you get a special 'progression' ability for each divine beast, but are not forced to do them in any order

[untold totem]

that is basically like the tek suit progression

[blissful perch]

there's also an entire genre of highly successful games (metroidvanias) that rely on progression through the completion of specific objectives

[tiny furnace]

I think a min. Lvl should be needed if thats how they have engrams tho

[blissful perch]

an rng based engram system would be interesting as well. There's multiple options

[untold totem]

the thing about metroidvania is that it's linear SP only not like sandbox multiplayer like ARK is

[untold totem]

eww RNG

[blissful perch]

i JUST gave you an example of a non linear open world game with non linear objective based progression

[tiny furnace]

Rng based engrams sounds like hell

[lavish rain]

He means run and gun

[tiny furnace]

Oh

Idk what that means

[untold totem]

like gungeon?

[blissful perch]

I don't mean run and gun wtf lol

[cursive fable]

I wish you could get infinite levels

[untold totem]

i might agree if that was like gungeon but RNG, hell no

[lavish rain]

Hell no

[south lance]

Rng progression 🤔

[stray elm]

I don't know the convo. But this is normal for Mazzy

[blissful perch]

no, i mean games like Hollow Knight

[untold totem]

im sleep deprived and ready to argue

[lavish rain]

Many believes buts of lore we don't believe

[south lance]

Wat

[stray elm]

Oh, lets test that!
"Fuck you"

[blissful perch]

RNG engram unlocks for certain thing. idk, it could work. not sure how much i like it lol

[untold totem]

kinky

[stray elm]

👀

[tiny furnace]

There will be pvp so someone that has no life could get enough health to never die and do enough damage to one shot everyone and everything

[south lance]

I havent encountered the concept before so idrk

Anything about it in practice*

[blissful perch]

there's a lot of RPGs that have your "key" unlocks come from leveling or core progression/objectives and a lot of "extra" unlocks come from RNG loot drops

[tiny furnace]

Maybe missions with certain engrams possible to be unlocked

[lavish rain]

Vin ideal will make us buy hustlers university

[untold totem]

i dont like getting advantage through RNG, that isthe whole reason why i hate stat breeding in the first place

[tiny furnace]

Dont bring the tate brothers here

This is ark not how to become a millionaire

[blissful perch]

that's likely going to happen if you like it or not in some capacity, because RNG makes grind and grind makes time playing your game

almost every RPG with "time sink" value has an RNG grind somewhere

[south lance]

^

RNG is very cost effective

It develops false success stories and failures

That feel just like real ones

[blissful perch]

it also scratches the same psychological itch that gambling does

[untold totem]

i dont mind the material grind as long as at least you are doing something in the game instead of waiting for an egg to eject out of a dino every 7 hours

[tiny furnace]

Can we all agree ark 2 should at least have balanced pvp unlike survival evolved

[lavish rain]

Now yall talking about

[south lance]

I would love to have faith in arks ability to balance meta

[tiny furnace]

If they had different stats for pve and pvp it would be more balanced

[untold totem]

skill > rng

i rather gamble with game politics and psychological warfare against other tribes than with the game itself

[tiny furnace]

Ark started as pve only so pvp is super unbalanced

[blissful perch]

"intermittent reinforcement" @lavish rain -> the principle that people get bored if they know X always yields Y

but if X sometimes pays out with big reward Z people go nuts for it

[south lance]

^

[lavish rain]

Which is why all games with loot boxes should be rated m for mature

[blissful perch]

loot boxes is actually just straight up gambling

unless you prevent irl money from being used to get them

[south lance]

We need to feel like we worked for something even if at a conscious level we obviously didnt

[untold totem]

like if parents ever notice the ESRB rating

[south lance]

That something is unlikely but we did it does that thing

[blissful perch]

it's more that people like "beating the odds"

[south lance]

Yes

[lavish rain]

To catch a predator

[blissful perch]

even if they didn't, or they lost horribly to the odds

[untold totem]

my 10 yo ass playing GTA SA

[south lance]

Its not a bad thing to lose because thats a given but winning? Now thats huge

[lavish rain]

What does that have to do with how catch a predator

[untold totem]

i am talking about the age rating

[south lance]

As long as we can get the W we will undergo innumerable Ls

[blissful perch]

There's also appeal to the satisfaction of a "normal" grind

but the big psychological hits come from the RNG payouts

[untold totem]

i mean that is how you git gud

[south lance]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

it's why people lose their shit when an underdog wins or your red drop actually has the capped flak bp you spent hours looking for

[south lance]

But with gitting gud its not so much a can as a will

[blissful perch]

and why nobody says a word when you grind thousands of metal for the same sunk time

[lavish rain]

I'd know the most about psychological satisfaction of winning if anyome

[south lance]

Fucking hate loot crate tables

[untold totem]

this is why i dont care about some people's "X hours" if what they are doing is just AFKing

[blissful perch]

same. But they carry psychological value

[tiny furnace]

I dont want to spend dozens of hours trying to be able to craft stuff i would rather know i will unlock it as long as i dont suck

[blissful perch]

you should care because it means ark is a badly designed game such that afk has that much value

[south lance]

"But boss you must understand we absolutely need to put in ramshackle iguanadon saddle bps in red cave drops"

[untold ingot]

Loot crates as far as island - ab and all the free maps are kind of lame, extinction was on the right track, as was genesis. But they gave stuff too good too easy

[blissful perch]

pure cancer to get scope bps in those

[tiny furnace]

U arent looking for slightly better than prim saddles for a tame u wont get?

[blissful perch]

I think this should apply mostly to saddles

stuff like key armor, structures, etc should come from core progression

[untold ingot]

I am hoping there are no saddle bps lol

[blissful perch]

huffing that hopium eh?

[untold ingot]

I wanna make my own derpy looking spino sail saddle for my parasuars

[south lance]

Instead we will get bone necklace bps

At least we might be dripped out

[untold ingot]

I would rather see the whole BP system just scrapped lol

[blissful perch]

as long as you find another rng grind to replace it sure

[south lance]

Idk

[blissful perch]

but ark 2 looks like it'll have RPG aspects, so it'll need an RNG grind somewhere

[tiny furnace]

I think bps shouldnt be able to be found but actual items should be able to be turned into bps

[blissful perch]

i agree BPs should be a two way system of items <-> bps if they stay in the game

[tiny furnace]

That way good items can be gotten without possibles 109% items

[south lance]

Lets say engrams or whatever are hard to get and you cant just learn everything, maybe bps become useful there, though this system would just be immensely annoying if that means you cant play half the game because idk, you cant make a smithy

Though the quality shit with bps needs to go

Fuck infinite 1300 dura flak

[blissful perch]

well right, this is where the key craftables must remain on the normal progression line

[stray elm]

This is basically how ARK-1 was on launch

[blissful perch]

the quality variance should definitely come down

[tiny furnace]

I think just actual items should be able to be gotten with and rng system for quality and u have to make them into bps that have an rng system for the price

Basically u could get unlucky and have a super expensive bp or really lucky and its super cheap

[blissful perch]

imo quality variance stopping at around journeyman would be more managable

[south lance]

Ehh

[blissful perch]

ark 1 at launch did not have this problem

[south lance]

Journeyman is still high

Id like none tbh

[blissful perch]

you could always make the smithy before being able to make smithy items

[south lance]

Journeyman still gets you a 50-100% bonus

[blissful perch]

that's fair

[stray elm]

I more meant "BP's having more of a use"
Cause you where more limited on what you could spend with your engrams.

[blissful perch]

ah, that's true. But engram points were stupid

[tiny furnace]

Its stupid that u cant get many engrams

[south lance]

Idk

Engrams as they are rn are mediocre

[tiny furnace]

And a lot of decoration and mostly useless engrams

[blissful perch]

You should not need to rely on other players to craft items you unlocked lol

[cursive fable]

There should also be a way to craft tiered items

[blissful perch]

Meaning primitive items stink? Or something else?

[blissful perch]

Idk what this means to you

[untold totem]

i like what my ATLAS RP server did with the professions skill system as each tribe member has a role rather than a "one man tribe"

sure, you can solo but you will severely limited unless (be like Mei Yin) make a trade and actually negotiations with other people or just be a sneaky ass and steal things through stealth raids

[south lance]

Prim items suck but i just meant the whole engram system

Its not somethint i think about

I just get essentials, have 800 left to spend on some stupid saddle

[cursive fable]

no like craft primitive into journeyman, to mastercraft, to ascendant

[blissful perch]

Oh no screw that lol

[stray elm]

There's a mod for that, and it's fucking broken as all hell

[tiny furnace]

Like the upgrade station?

[cursive fable]

ye

[stray elm]

Yeah, no thanks

[untold totem]

upgrade station makes BPs useless, so no thanks

[blissful perch]

Upgrade station just makes the prim flak blueprint the ascendant flak blueprint but with extra material grinding in the middle lol

[ripe cedar]

And no mindwipe until september

[stray elm]

I like the idea of supply drops. But the loot-table is so goddamn jank.

[south lance]

At least no rng 😩

[blissful perch]

Ugh yea it was miserable

[blissful perch]

They really need to revisit that system. It’s garbage how much useless crap you get

[tiny furnace]

Stacks should be set higher in ark 2 than ark imo

[stray elm]

RNG isn't purely a bad thing. But damn, ARK relies on it too much.
And when it does rely on it. It's shit.

[untold totem]

i know mindwipe is abuseable and all but i dont like waiting to respec after i mis-level myself +1 to water

[valid apex]

How would you guys feel if they switched engrams to a system similar to Valheim. Where you have to obtain each item in the recipe to unlock it. They could do that with weapons, buildings.. etc.. then to unlock saddles you could base that off killing that particular Dino. Then leaving a normal XP system for character stats….

[blissful perch]

The only good RNG ark has is wild tame stat levels

[tiny furnace]

Like raft?

[stray elm]

And the color variation.

[cursive fable]

it would have to be expensive tho so blueprints could grinded for cheaper

[blissful perch]

You’d nearly instantly unlock everything

Since by level what 25 or so you can craft or obtain almost every material?

[untold totem]

i mean imagine that with 5 kinds of thatch like ATLAS did

that is gonna be hell until you search the wiki

[valid apex]

I’ve never played Raft.

[tiny furnace]

I've watched it and it sounds the same as how raft's crafting works

[valid apex]

You kinda do as it is now. Lol they would just have to put higher tier resources in more difficult locations.

[blissful perch]

But it’s a sandbox game, people can just go anywhere lol

[untold totem]

me currently playing ATLAS: 😓

[blissful perch]

They only need ONE of the resource, and someone can also just drop one for them or they can naked run into a biome until they get it

[stray elm]

It also doesn't help that so much of the drops rely on the older system of them.
Which was more catered for 2015 stuff.
Back then, sure, a journeyman saddle should be hard to get. Since that was pure endgame.
Now a days, with all the new shit, it's like 'who the hell cares if you have journeyman?'

[tiny furnace]

They would have to get back to their base with it as well so probably not a naked run

[cursive fable]

but it takes ages to go anywhere without a wyvern

[untold totem]

ye that is the downside with Valheim's system

also spawn cheat

[valid apex]

True. I would limit it to unlocking if YOU grab it definitely. Not like Valheim where you just go in your buddies chest and unlock the game.

[blissful perch]

Ark has a horrible issue with the game progressing ONCE, so all that stuff in between gets unused after a point

[stray elm]

Though oddly enough, even the Genesis missions have shitty loot-tables like drops do.

[blissful perch]

They just have to get somewhere safe post run-> hop on a flier or put it in a box -> now they have it

[stray elm]

Like, c'mon.
I've seen the loot-table for Alpha Moeder. And you should get more out of a fucking 'boss'

[blissful perch]

It’s not that hard to get anywhere with any flier or glider

[blissful perch]

Oh god that table is so awful lol

[untold totem]

that may depends on the map tho

[ripe cedar]

Gen 1 rng isn’t awful because each mission has like 3 items that it has a high chance of giving you so its random but less random

[blissful perch]

Ideally it IS hard to get places. It should be like Ab

[cursive fable]

argy is the only flier with good weight and its soo slow

[untold totem]

i mean that's the only balance for a carry flyer.... until mewings exists

[lavish rain]

Journean slingshot

[blissful perch]

Snow owls have the same base weight argis do…and if you only need ONE of a resource weight is not an issue

[stray elm]

I still don't agree with having no-fliers in ARK-2.
But instead, have a whole ecosystem in the sky with natural preys and predators.

[cursive fable]

mawings are pretty broken

[tropic forge]

ab is hard to move arround due to radiation and path's since its more of a mountain style whit lots of cliffs and few paths to follow

[lavish rain]

Like who ever used slingshots

[blissful perch]

I did, KOd my first trike with one

[lavish rain]

Fuck off

[stray elm]

I do, for smaller creatures

[cursive fable]

to tame my first trike

[lavish rain]

Just go straight to 25 and get transferred, no situation where you can't do that

[stray elm]

Also, unironically good for beach-bob taming.

[tropic forge]

never like slingshot i always kill or was near death ko

[blissful perch]

The slingshot is straight garbage but it IS funny

[lavish rain]

Have you even used a journeyman slingshot?

[untold totem]

club doesnt need ammo

[blissful perch]

I’ve used it to KO a rex a few times when I ran out of tranqs lol

[stray elm]

I have used a ascendant slingshot.

[lavish rain]

For what

[tiny furnace]

They probably wont keep many dinos from survival evolved

[stray elm]

To knock out my friend.

[lavish rain]

Ok but have you ever used a journeyman one? Apprentice stone pickaxe?

[blissful perch]

Source: dude just trust me

[tropic forge]

they will but the basic ones

[blissful perch]

The trailer content shows only 2 new creatures to ark 2. Everything else they show is returning

[stray elm]

Oh, i've used a apprentice stone pick before.

[lavish rain]

Shifter acting out of character

[lavish rain]

For genuine use?

[tiny furnace]

Yea probably the island dinos but i dont expect much more than that to go to ark 2 as far as dinos go

[stray elm]

Yeah, cause it was unironically better then a primitive metal pick.

[tropic forge]

to be honest i can see at some point they adding wyverns or something similar

[lavish rain]

I need a beer

[blissful perch]

Bro I do wish that the gathering system wasn’t: stone pick -> metal pick at level 20 somethin -> oops you’re maxed out

[untold ingot]

I really don't want to see wyvern lol

[blissful perch]

Pls no wyverns

[near vale]

Ong

[tropic forge]

they are cute

[lavish rain]

Untameable wyvern, the sky needs a genuine threat

[blissful perch]

I like wyverns but I’m good leaving them behind in ark 1

[ripe cedar]

I doubt it, metal pick needs half as many swings and has higher chance of gathering non stone resources

[near vale]

How tf are wyverns cute bro

[cursive fable]

wyverns are either really hard or really easy depending on the trench

[lavish rain]

Fjordhawk

[untold ingot]

Wyvern are over done is what it is

[near vale]

Just use desmodes lmao

[blissful perch]

We counted what 9 species of wyvern in ark 1?

[untold ingot]

Like wyvern are used more than almost any other Dino in the game lol

[blissful perch]

I’m 100% good dumping 8 or all 9 lol

[tropic forge]

gotta understand we get metal pick early cause we get metal engrams at the same lvl not sure what ppl want to upgrade from stone pick's, flint picks?

[stray elm]

I was getting more metal out of it then a primitive metal-pick. Don't know what to tell you.
But you're probably right about the speed part.

[near vale]

Personally I think wyverns are mid asf. They’re handing is trash

It takes like 3 years to turn

Arges are just better

[blissful perch]

You can go from metal A to metal B or metal

[untold ingot]

Yup, in candy land 🙃

[lavish rain]

We got over here...
Fire wyvern
Ice wyvern
Lightning wyvern
Poison wyvern
Voidwyrm
Alpha fire wyvern
Tropical wyvern
Ember wyvern
Blood wyvern
Alpha blood wyvern
Zombie variants of fire lightning and blood
Brute wyvern

[blissful perch]

Let me quickly put on my Birdwoman impersonation: “how to spot a bob in 10 seconds or less”

[blissful perch]

Tamable

[lavish rain]

Still

Like 9 varients

[blissful perch]

That’s what I said lol

[untold ingot]

Imo that is 9 too many

But by now I think everyone knows I don't like fliers jaja

[tropic forge]

well we could get dragons this time

[lavish rain]

Are you saying birdwoman is relevent?

[untold ingot]

Or not

[tropic forge]

so i could get my toothless

[blissful perch]

For calling out bobs and making me chuckle? Yes

[stray elm]

I know ARK isn't tied down to its lore.
'Buuuut' i'm fairly certain that Genesis-2 having no wyverns at all, besides within a single mission is a good indicator that they wont appear again in ARK-2.

[blissful perch]

Voidwyrm be like

[stray elm]

'No tek'

[untold ingot]

Except they had voids

[near vale]

Omfg thank you bro

[lavish rain]

Untameable sky threay

[near vale]

I needed a name for my pitch black wyvern

[untold ingot]

I guess if we go lore, then wyvern shouldn't show up

Would love to see a speed glitch fixed maewing though

[blissful perch]

Technically all the mythology stuff shouldn’t show up since they’re just fabricated by the arks to provide challenge to survivors

[lavish rain]

Fart

[stray elm]

Well, if we're going with lore. Then voidwyrms wont either, since they where tied to the 'exterior' of the ship to defend it.
Well.....there's kind of 'no ship anymore'

[tropic forge]

is just me or maewing movement should be like a beaver???

[lavish rain]

No

[blissful perch]

Maewing never appearing in ark 2 would be…a good idea

[south lance]

^

[near vale]

no.

I love maewings bro

[tropic forge]

you know that was a dino test right?

[near vale]

Idc about lore

I want to ride dragons around the map bro

[blissful perch]

Same. And I don’t want to ride a dragon

Play almost any fantasy game and you can ride a dragon

[south lance]

Maewings are only loved because ark travel is already a joke and maewings just take advantage of that to be fun

[untold ingot]

Hmm, the maewing is too fast and the eggs are op, but other than that they are really good for raising babies, so I would like to see them again just as a qol Dino, not as an op travel/kibble factory mix

[lavish rain]

Maewings are underwater

[blissful perch]

I’d rather see some building or even just mothering behavior replace them

[near vale]

They are very cute, Fym

[untold ingot]

Why not have both, like dimetrodon and ac

[south lance]

Fair they are

[lavish rain]

Add reaper leviathan as a water threat

[blissful perch]

They made my partner stop playing ark because she hates their milk animation to the point of feeling physically disgusted

[south lance]

Ark tuso would clap a reaper tbh

[near vale]

☠️☠️☠️

[untold ingot]

Fighting reapers with dolphins let's gooo

[stray elm]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[untold ingot]

Oof

[near vale]

What do the tiddys even do

[lavish rain]

Somthing that functions like an underwater Venus fly trap will erupt my thallassaphobia

[stray elm]

Feed babies

[near vale]

Half the things I am breeding it doesn’t work on

[lavish rain]

Ayo

[stray elm]

Cause you need to put food in its inventory.

[south lance]

What

[near vale]

Does it have to be a specific food

[untold ingot]

The food the baby eats

[near vale]

Aah

[stray elm]

I believe whatever the species eats that it's feeding

[mighty lion]

Speaking of played out creatures, I'd like to see new unique varieties of creatures in ark 2. Like: Slime creatures, Gaseous creatures, Small creatures that shoot projectiles, Pit trap creatures, Symbiote creatures, energy creatures, giant boss creatures, creatures that provide bases ( from body), and yes plant creatures

[near vale]

ew, nameless venom

[lavish rain]

Bro it's that bad

[near vale]

It’s very tasty tho😋😋😋😋

[blissful perch]

Slime and gaseous creatures. Heh?

[near vale]

I loooooove drinking nameless venom

[untold ingot]

Uuuhh, Rockwell already died lol

[south lance]

Id love more fantastical shit

[lavish rain]

Let's talk

[tiny furnace]

Have u been playing too much subnautica recently

[south lance]

Not just visually but mechanically

[blissful perch]

We do have creatures like megachelon who have materials that are used to make bases and structures so I can see that

[untold ingot]

I wanna see more aliens, and less op flying dinos

[stray elm]

Also, i'm sorry if you get sick over milk spewing.
But i feel like that's more on you.

[tiny furnace]

Yea

[wind finch]

Small creature that shoot like a velonasaur

[lavish rain]

Haven't touched it, my thalassaphobia will make me projectile vomit all over my house, or cause a stroke

[untold ingot]

Velos shouldn't be a thing lol

[blissful perch]

It absolutely is. But it’s a contrasting opinion to “we all like them so we should keep them”

[mighty lion]

They're common in nms

[mighty lion]

No like the size of a jerboa

[stray elm]

True, true.
I'm, also used to this since i've seen cows being milked before.

[blissful perch]

Slime isn’t going to be a creature

[stray elm]

It should be.

[blissful perch]

Best you’ll get with gas is a gasbags

[untold ingot]

Rex: passes wind, bob: let's tame it

[stray elm]

I want a pet oversized amoeba.

[south lance]

Hoping we get some shaman crap

[blissful perch]

Why should slimes be a thing? Biologically no reason to exist beyond an actual slime like slime molds or bacterial slimes

[lavish rain]

Please no

[south lance]

Alien wendigos

[untold ingot]

Having had that, it's not fun

[tiny furnace]

If they make creatures fart randomly that will be amazing

[lavish rain]

Because alien game

[near vale]

Shinehorns>>>>>>>>>> every other shoulder tame

[south lance]

Bruh we literally getting orcs

[blissful perch]

People seem to think aliens aren’t also bound by laws of science

[south lance]

Element exists

[stray elm]

Actually, to an extent. Slime creatures can exist

[untold ingot]

Except everything actually useful 😉

[lavish rain]

Please no

[lavish rain]

Element be like

[near vale]

Who cares about usefulness

[tiny furnace]

It would be really funny

[near vale]

They are cute

[blissful perch]

Element be like: here’s some structure and thus no longer a slime creature

[south lance]

We just need to say that the aratai have domesticated element or something

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I can't dispute that

[wispy sierra]

isn't it like 3AM where you live

[stray elm]

I want shale to appear in ARK-2

[south lance]

Im not allowing you to frack on my server

[blissful perch]

Yes, I borked my sleep schedule today

[lavish rain]

It's funny until someone find your address, breaks into your house, facts on you while your asleep, then dart for the door

[wispy sierra]

relatable

[south lance]

^

[lavish rain]

2am here, this is my free time

[wispy sierra]

but also damn 3AM

[untold ingot]

I have to hit the hay too unfortunately

[south lance]

I slept 13 hours woke up at 3 pm

[tiny furnace]

Goodluck to that person i have 3 untrained german shepherds

[tiny furnace]

I've been doing that recently

[south lance]

I need to get my sleep schedule in order but its summerrrrrr and the sleep feels so good after 9 months of undersleeping

[tiny furnace]

Same

[lavish rain]

They'll use farts In a jar to distract them

[blissful perch]

I have work tomorrow lol this is all bad news. Oops and today

[south lance]

Cringe

[near vale]

Just like

[mighty lion]

What would prevent such creatures from existing?

[wispy sierra]

its fine just eat some narcotics

[tiny furnace]

I was going to bed past midnight and waking up at like 6 am

[near vale]

Take melatonin

[stray elm]

Oh, also btw.
They're called "slime molds"
They have intelligence, but no brain.
Would love a giant oversized version as a creature in ARK-2.

[south lance]

3 hours of sleep lets goooo

New record!!!

[tiny furnace]

I've stayed up 2 nights in a row before

Thats my record

[wispy sierra]

imagine it just being a clump of yellow gunk. it does literally nothing.

[lavish rain]

We dont care

[blissful perch]

Biologically? Without a structure you’d basically exist as a slime attached to a surface. Even boneless animals like snails have internal structure that gives them shape

[south lance]

I physically cant sadly

[stray elm]

Wouldn't mind

[blissful perch]

Slime molds adopt a slug form at certain life stages but again they have a structure to them. They aren’t just a mass of slime anymore

[ripe cedar]

Has food spoilage been talked about at all in this chat yet?

[near vale]

Do you need tranq darts to fire the tranq version of the tek bow

[wispy sierra]

i think it would work like one of those freaky deep sea jellyfish thingies that clump together

[south lance]

Remember that orange blob scp

[near vale]

Tranq arrows*

[south lance]

Id like that

[lavish rain]

Element shards

[near vale]

Is that it

[blissful perch]

Now underwater it’s different. You can absolutely have an aquatic slime

[stray elm]

Oh, i know.
And that's why it can be a creature in ARK-2

[blissful perch]

I’m assuming people are referring to the spherical slime in most fantasy games

[tiny furnace]

It should die when out of the water for too long

[lavish rain]

Shifters job as a biologist talking about scientific likelihood of certain lifeforms existing

[blissful perch]

Bro I WISH that was my job. I always wanted to be an alien biologist

[stray elm]

I'm going with either.
But more slime molds, since they can actually take a form and be easier to make.

[south lance]

Astrobiology is a thing

[tiny furnace]

If they put a terraria slime in ark 2 i will have an army of them in the first week i have the game

[south lance]

Just not much of a thing

[lavish rain]

You must work in a biology department to be talking the way you do

[wispy sierra]

instead you're just a cringe non-alien biologist?

[blissful perch]

Slime molds are also small and have a very basic form. You won’t see a slime rex lol

[stray elm]

Sadly, since we have no other reference then ourselves.

[blissful perch]

Nope lol, I work in conservation

[stray elm]

Not with that attitude.
Alien planet.

[south lance]

Also just cause we dont like paying people to do things we cant buy

[mighty lion]

I mean we've found single celled organisms up to a foot long. And a slime isnt necessarily homogeneous, it could be a creature with a semi permeable membrane that can contract and harden segments to move. It has merit

[wispy sierra]

are you conserving alien species? (if no, cringe)

[blissful perch]

It’s mostly chemistry and astronomy atm analyzing possible habitable conditions for carbon based life and looking at stuff like Webb telescope results for habitable planets

[south lance]

Ye but at least you get the title which sounds like you do spec evo all day

[blissful perch]

Like I said, aquatic? Yes. But on land there are major restrictions

[stray elm]

Thing is, it's theoretically possible for silicon-based life to also exist if i recall.
So some of ARK-2's creatures could be both.

[wispy sierra]

technically WC could just go "slimes cool" and add it

[ripe cedar]

I thought you were a pokemon

[blissful perch]

I’m a working Pokémon

[wispy sierra]

people can have multiple jobs

he's a trapinch part-time

[stray elm]

Which i'd be up for.

[lavish rain]

Where is silicon based life

[blissful perch]

Silicon based life is chemically possible but hasn’t been identified

[south lance]

Complex silicon based chemistry is possible*

[blissful perch]

Mostly because all earth life descends from a carbon based ancestor lol

[wispy sierra]

ah yes funny science words

[south lance]

Actually even on that end idrk

[wispy sierra]

that i super understand

[lavish rain]

We shall make silicon based life

[south lance]

Silicon kinda heavy and fat yk?

[stray elm]

We don't have any on our planet. But it's theoretically possible.

[south lance]

No offense to silicon

[blissful perch]

Silicon and carbon have similar chemical properties so in theory both could support similar life

[south lance]

Just kinda gets in the way ALL the time

[lavish rain]

Dm me the equations for silicon life to exist

[stray elm]

Silicon: "Fuck you."

[blissful perch]

The largest limitation to silicon life is that it’s much more rare in the universe than carbon

[stray elm]

Ah, but it 'is' possible. 👀

[blissful perch]

They’re nearly identical to the carbon ones. Just spank a Si instead of a C

[wispy sierra]

there might be a planet which is just covered in silicon, but we haven't made a chad enough telescope to see it

[blissful perch]

Our planet is covered in silicon XD

[lavish rain]

So, where is the silicon based life Sci fi plots

[blissful perch]

But there’s WAY more carbon than silicon still

[wispy sierra]

yep, totally knew that.

[south lance]

Perhaps ye

[wispy sierra]

i are have smart

[mighty lion]

Its theorized any element with the potential to form 4 bonds can be a component to life, but its mainly statistics.

[blissful perch]

Planet X I think was a movie about silicon based life? Fantastic movie where speculative biology is kinda pioneered to the public

[lavish rain]

Why

[stray elm]

"Previously, scientists have believed that life could form from other elements (namely silicon), but now we have some evidence to support this hypothesis. Lee Cronin at the University of Glasgow has successfully created lifelike cells out of metal, such as tungsten (atomic number of 74)."
Ayo, what the fuck?

[blissful perch]

Dm and I’ll look into that tomorrow

[wispy sierra]

dang, tungsten

[lavish rain]

Humans with tungsten skin

[wispy sierra]

imagine just having a pet tungsten

[blissful perch]

Carbon’s extremely valuable because it can form 4 bonds. Silicon shares this trait

[mighty lion]

More opportunities to bond with other elements, make them ideal for " " - based life

[lavish rain]

What's special about forming 4 bonds

[blissful perch]

You can make chains and meshes

[stray elm]

" The Man from Planet X" is that the movie Shifter?

[south lance]

You can make complicated molecules

[blissful perch]

Many elements are limited to chains. But carbon can form complex meshes

[south lance]

So like, yk DNA right

[mighty lion]

It's the most an atom can form

[south lance]

You cant really make DNA without a bunch of large molecules

[wispy sierra]

shifter teachin science lessons 3 in the morning

[south lance]

Actually proteins in general are better examples

Since they are electronically bonded throughout

But ye large complex molecules need something like carbon to be complex

If not large, since crystals are basically large individual molecules

[lavish rain]

There it is

[stray elm]

It's why life (that we know) is so rare to find in the universe.
Cause fucking hell, to be alive is apparently so goddamn hard.

[lavish rain]

Element can form more than 4 bonds

[blissful perch]

Nope. Called “alien planet” from 2005

[lavish rain]

That's why it's so sci-fi

[stray elm]

Ahh

[south lance]

Element can also do telepathy and teleportation

[blissful perch]

Element is a plot device, don’t get it twisted lol

[lavish rain]

Well aware, just trying to figure this out

[blissful perch]

Life is rare because the elements to create it are insufficient to sustain or produce it

[stray elm]

Actually, i would love to see element-based life forms.
We have creatures that have a relationship with it. But nothing actually made by it.
Unless the astro-creatures are element-based.

[south lance]

Its kinda picky

[blissful perch]

Mars has all the elements for life, so why can’t we find any? (For example)

[mighty lion]

Well 1, we'd only be able to really find abundant signs of intelligent life and greater intelligence doesnt seem to be a huge driving factor in evolution

[blissful perch]

I think extinction’s natives had this? The blue veins and whatnot

[lavish rain]

Atmosphere and core, still no bacteria

[mighty lion]

Aka intelligent life it rare- see fermi paradox-, sk finding other life will take more time

[blissful perch]

I’m talking any life lol sentient is a whole new discussion and subject

[south lance]

Well basic life will be more common

[stray elm]

That's more corruption-based with the titans.
I more mean having element as the foundation for a whole species.

[south lance]

Like, we should find something on the various ice moons hopefully

[wispy sierra]

idk why but people seem to think intelligent, tool-using life is a garuntee

[south lance]

Theres so many oceans in our solar system they just happen to be covered in ice

[blissful perch]

It should be probability wise. Otherwise shit gets scary really fast

[stray elm]

I believe scientists still hope that Europa could have life on it, underneath the ice.

[south lance]

Europa isnt the only one either

[wispy sierra]

i mean like, in an ecosystem. it's possible but not garunteed

[south lance]

Theres like 5 ice moons maybe or more i forgor

[blissful perch]

I see. Yes that’s true, most or possibly nearly all ecosystems will never generate life like humans

[stray elm]

Actually, there's a whole game called "Barotrauma" that's set in the oceans of Europa, with alien creatures that look straight from a fucking horror movie.

[wispy sierra]

also go to bed already

[mighty lion]

Highly radiation at the surface has a tendency to eliminate all but the most microscopic resilient creatures. We are treat bound not to use certain scientific devices in our search due to fear of contamination, so we rely o things like " shooting a laser and measuring the off gassing"

[blissful perch]

True but I think wrong reply lol

[lavish rain]

More thalassaphobia

[mighty lion]

Unless we find fossils, Europa's probably our best bet.

[wispy sierra]

or do you intend to just, stay up until morning

[mighty lion]

You're right lol

[south lance]

Intelligent life kinda went crazy in the last 40 million years out of the 500 that animals have existed and this is ignoring how hominids only really got ahead of those other smart animals in the last 4 million of that

[blissful perch]

You want fear, try Keplar. One planet is 4 times larger than earth and is predicted to be all ocean. Like the entire surface is a miles deep ocean

[south lance]

Like tons of animals are probably as smart as our group was before we discovered fire

[blissful perch]

Hush, I’ll sleep soon

[stray elm]

Nah, it's cause "Barotrauma" is the term for pressurization damage.
And the game is set MILES under the ocean.
So once you step out without a suit, your character implodes.

[wispy sierra]

and 70 more hilarious jokes you can tell yourself

[lavish rain]

He's talking about the game that's why it's more scary than imagining

[blissful perch]

Dude idk, imaginary world freak me out sometimes

[stray elm]

I too fear my own brain

[south lance]

World full of blood oceans

[lavish rain]

But i can physically see the photons with my own eyes

[blissful perch]

The great filter also freaked me out when I first read about it

[wispy sierra]

you'd need some kind of iron lung to survive i think

[south lance]

Imagine that though

[stray elm]

TRUE!

[blissful perch]

Shit kept me up at night

[lavish rain]

We all ty this and end up giving in either when our phone dies, or when it's like 6 am

[south lance]

Like its not unconscionable either

[wispy sierra]

how is it blood exactly? is it actually bodily fluids from the local organisms

[stray elm]

There's a lot of the universe we don't know, that could be the reasoning of why we don't see alien life.

[blissful perch]

Then again we may be about to filter the Aratai LMAO

[stray elm]

We might about to filter ourselves.

[south lance]

No idea but i wouldnt say its impossible on a technical basis

[mighty lion]

I find comfort in the obvious filters, makes me worry less about the impending doom of an unknown great filter

[blissful perch]

It would likely be the result of a planet being entirely coated in the biosphere. A bit of a scary thought lol

[blissful perch]

Unknown unknowns be like

[stray elm]

But no, even though of how unrealistic it may be. I like the theory that a species out there could be wiping any form of highly advanced lifeforms.

[south lance]

I like to imagine some rogue post human having fun with hyperproductive oneill cylinders he doesnt need anymore

[blissful perch]

The scary thing is that isn’t unrealistic

[south lance]

Instead of the typical serial killer in the making microwaving hamsters, he "microwaved" a couple arks

[mighty lion]

Ahh, the dark forest answer to the fermi paradox

[blissful perch]

You know we proposed a reverse SETI where we sent out messages to space right? We shut it down for fear of that outcome

[stray elm]

Well, i more meant how Dead-Space portrays it.

[south lance]

Couple million arks

[wispy sierra]

if we did send out more messages alien life would prolly just actively ignore it

"oh hey mail! wait, it's that Earth again. ew."

[blissful perch]

I’m down to not send out a dinner beacon

[lavish rain]

Or not understand it ,who knows

[south lance]

I would buy a large radio transmitter just to send a hello back

[mighty lion]

I honestly dont think people will buy it until they see living proof, not just signals

[stray elm]

Don't mind me

[blissful perch]

I read about dead space, and imo it’s not a realistic threat. Some random sentient space race deleting us? Plausible

[wispy sierra]

what if a species is just out there collecting transmissions to go down and eat all of the organisms

[stray elm]

That's what i was going to say.

[south lance]

If the world will destroy itself anyhow at least let it be done by aliens and not us

[stray elm]

The general idea i guess is plausible.

[blissful perch]

That’s dead space logic lol, and it would have to mindlessly have figured out FTL travel or somehow reproduce in space

[stray elm]

Or it could be a Mass-Effect wrought, where someone made space-terminators.

[blissful perch]

Which…that’s a massive stretch of logic

[wispy sierra]

the Omnomnomians

[blissful perch]

Now robotic lifeforms that do this is very plausible and very frightening

[lavish rain]

Brawlhalla is the beginning of the end

[wispy sierra]

i'm gonna snip this out of context

[south lance]

Its as good with or without

[lavish rain]

Go ahead, I don't mind

[mighty lion]

My most hopeful and unrealistic theory is we are among the first intelligent life forms... but that's best case and probably the most boring

[stray elm]

Either way, we're probably not in the time-period that a species wiping out the galaxy should be a worry

[wispy sierra]

that makes me sad cause we suck

[blissful perch]

I too wish to have a huff of your hopium good sir lol

[lavish rain]

This is actually my favorite outcome that we are the first aliens

[south lance]

Hey at least nobody can stop me from owning a planet

Galactic scale manifest destiny

[stray elm]

Actually, that unironically is a theory i like.

[mighty lion]

^ I agree with all of the above replies lol

[blissful perch]

God I’d love to explore the cosmos and its life

Get my ass beat tho. Without modern medicine life would blow

[south lance]

We need to make better stuff first

[wispy sierra]

that would be pretty cool

[stray elm]

But also, it does slightly make me sad. Since if we do fuck up majorly, 'we'll' be the ancient dead civilization future aliens will find.

[blissful perch]

Mine the entirety of mercury and build a dyson sphere

[south lance]

Im not waiting 3000 years to reach proxima

[wispy sierra]

what scares me more is if we're the only life in the universe, and we blew it?

and life will nebver exist again ever

[south lance]

If the wait is that long ill just upload and experience imaginary digital life

[stray elm]

Well, then 'shit'

[blissful perch]

I assume you mean intelligent life? Since we’ll die way before we wipe earth clean

[mighty lion]

It's hard, I work in aerospace propulsion and you have the guys who are like yeah, space, advancement, let's go to mars because you can build cool stuff there ( less gravity), but I'm really worried about the growing academic side that wants to eliminate all space travel.

[south lance]

I already do this anyways with ark, its just a bit less immersive

[stray elm]

"This is why you shouldn't allow apes to control nukes"

[south lance]

Hm?

[blissful perch]

I didn’t know there was an academic faction like that

[south lance]

^

[wispy sierra]

no just life in general. the thought that earth is literally the only case of life in the universe, but then we ruined it. not really a rational or likely thought

[blissful perch]

I know economically we’re having fights with space stuff but academically I thought everyone was on board

[south lance]

^

[wispy sierra]

if you don't want to make cool new spaceships, why even exist

[stray elm]

True

[wispy sierra]

that should be the sole purpose of all humans

[lavish rain]

Pretty unlikely outcome by a LOT but yes

[stray elm]

We should act more like what we're the best at, and act like a parasite to the universe.

[mighty lion]

Yeah it's a limiting fraction. With " why go to space when we can fix things here" or " we need to protect all microbes". One of my college professors tried to present this view at an aerospace conference and got shut down. But you can Google it and find quite a few who agree with it. It's scary

[wispy sierra]

les goo let's colonise EVERYTHING

[stray elm]

Maybe if we're more spreading and conquering. We'll forget about our fucking political differences for a second.

FUCK!

[south lance]

I can sorta get the second point but at the same time we should just find out a way to sterilize our probes

[wispy sierra]

" why go to space when we can fix things here"
because this little rinky-dink mudball sucks

[blissful perch]

So it’s an issue of priorities? I can see that. I think you’ll never really escape that being relevant, especially with the struggles we as a species are facing with globalization and incoming resource and land scarcity

[south lance]

Like its not like we are going to find the last martian and kill it with aluminum poisoning anyhow

[wispy sierra]

but cool spaceships though

[blissful perch]

It requires a cohesive group of humans to make a spaceship. If that group doesn’t form, neither does the ship

[south lance]

And if that does happen curse god or whatever for giving us that luck, still not an excuse to limit ourselves to here

[stray elm]

Thing is those people don't understand. Is that if we explore, we have a better chance to fix what's down here.
Cause with new exploration, comes new technology.
New technology, brings more hope.

[blissful perch]

Most space faring races from speculation tend to have a unified to some degree planetary government

[wispy sierra]

i mean technically there is a risk of just not findinf anything at all

[blissful perch]

The issue is speed. You invest in space so your grandkids may find something much of the time

[wispy sierra]

you're fast approaching 4AM shifter

[blissful perch]

Even if we had FTL we’d still have that issue because the universe is thicc

[stray elm]

Hasn't SpaceX talked about their newer spaceships being able to travel to Mars in like two-months?

[south lance]

Just clear the way first

Like highways

Ftl highways

[blissful perch]

The issue is the empty space lol

There’s NOTHING there, but there’s an insane amount of nothin

[south lance]

Oh

Ftl solves that issue tho

[wispy sierra]

like the deep ocean

[blissful perch]

No it just makes it faster lol

You can’t teleport lol. It’s still “light years”

[mighty lion]

Yah, but that's the thing rare earth elements, energy generation, limiting pollution, and new tech are all benefits of going to space. If we can learn to terraform more effectively, we can learn to save ourselves.

[stray elm]

FTL is also impossible without a form of a protection to make sure small pebbles don't act as fucking bullets shotting into the ship.

[south lance]

If we get above lightspeed theres no reason we cant go waaaay above lightspeed

Unless we find some hard engineering limit

Like rocket equation or something

[mighty lion]

Drones and quantum entanglement is the best solution for that

[blissful perch]

I mean it takes infinite energy to reach light speed so we have other issues first lol

[south lance]

Well if we are doing it that way we arent getting ftl

We need weird propulsion systems

Warp drives or whatever

[blissful perch]

My geology professor made a solid argument I can’t refute that terraforming mars is a dead effort. No geologic activity -> no point in terraforming

[stray elm]

I'm pretty sure cryostasis is more possible then a FTL warp-drive.

[south lance]

Yeah but time is always a massive risk factor with travel

4000 years is a lot of time to bet on

[blissful perch]

Time to sleep, but good chats lads

[south lance]

Gn

[wispy sierra]

a whole 2 hours

[mighty lion]

They've found evidence of geologic activity if I'm not mistake, the rover felt a " marsquake"

[stray elm]

And if we can figure out a Cryostasis that can last for YEARS, then speed isn't going to be an issue.
Cause as long as the ship has power, and directions. It can take hundreds of years to get to a new solar-system, but to the crew-members it'll only be a few moments.
Making space-travel through long distance a viable solution. Just a very, very, very slow one.

[mighty lion]

When we first start terraforming, we will undoubtably cause many " mass extinctions"

[lavish rain]

Would this mean that time actually takes 100 years but it's just fast it is it that speed in a few moments?

[mighty lion]

It's going to need to be a breakthrough in quantum physics rather than propulsion to really make this happen

[south lance]

Yeah

Breakthrough in physics all round

[stray elm]

Cryostasis is being preserved in ice while alive.
So it'd be 100 years for us.
But for the crew, it'd be like if they just took a nap and 100 years was tomorrow.

[mighty lion]

Ion propulsion gives the best return currently, it's just slow to start.

[south lance]

Still stl tho

But it would be immensely worth it to get a probe to proxima

[tropic crag]

You'd be surprised

[south lance]

Even if it takes 10 years

Or 20

[lavish rain]

I misread, I didn't think you meant cryostasis, I thought you meant somthing else

[south lance]

And it sends back a tiny 32 pixel image

If thats even possible

[stray elm]

Not saying it's not possible.
But we already have more research into preserving via a cryostasis like system, then FTL drives.

[mighty lion]

We'd need to fix the whole cell bursting thing. In reality we just need the crew to experience less time.

[stray elm]

That would work also.

[lavish rain]

But could cryostasis work like cryopods where you can shrink shit?

[south lance]

No?

[stray elm]

I don't think so, cause that's more uploading a mind to a computer.

[tropic crag]

Functional research? Really? I'd like to see that, was pretty sure not a single bit of research thus far on cryogenics had been functional yet...

Aside from like, freezing cockroaches and tardigrades, which doesn't count lol

[stray elm]

Yeah, phrasing is probably important.

[stray elm]

Ayo, that's a set. xD

[mighty lion]

It's probably 20 years away, but quantum computing -> quantum entanglement used to send information vast distance instantaneously -> real time operated drones anywhere in the solar system ( or universe) -> (100s of year away ) scientific breakthroughs-> quantum tunneling - > we got ourselves a stargate boys and girls

[stray elm]

Never watched stargate.
Probably should

[tropic crag]

Making either a hole with which to traverse space and/or time (on a technicality) or at least a connection with which to send information back and forth across planets, perhaps even solar systems, is closer to us than cryogenics. Of that I'm pretty thoroughly sure

[mighty lion]

Its decent, can be repetitive though.

Speaking of that, using gravity wells for time dilation has so many cool tech uses.

[stray elm]

So, i should've corrected myself (since it's 1AM)
But let me rephrase.
"Time manipulation technology is currently more likely to be invented first then FTL warp-drives"

[tropic crag]

You said cryostasis tho

[stray elm]

Yeah, and that is a form of time manipulation.

[tropic crag]

Wholly different from time manipulation lol

[fiery wedge]

😐

[stray elm]

Funny monkey brain thinks me sleeping and waking up thousands of years later is manipulating my view of time.

[tropic crag]

I mean, your perception of time and a manipulation of time itself are two different things

FTL would be a manipulation of time itself, if it works how we think it does

[stray elm]

Anyway.
If any Wildcard employee is looking at us and thinking (what the fuck?)
Please put more science and research into stuff for ARK-2, that's set on a alien planet.
I'd prefer have some more things in ARK's lore actually make sense.
Thank you and goodnight

[tropic crag]

Cryostasis would not

[fallen fiber]

this is deep

[mighty lion]

Time manipulation is simple. Find a way to emulate the attractive forces given off by mass with energy rather than mass. And you're done.

[fallen fiber]

[fiery wedge]

What if we could travel faster than light by not really traveling faster but by "shrinking" space in front of us, allowing us to travel faster than light within the area?

[mighty lion]

It's the hope that quantum physics will provide a method for that

[tropic crag]

Elite: Dangerous does that, in a way. You make a wormhole, and travel in a bubble around your ship adjacent to normal space, in what is called "witchspace", to get from point a to point b (stars, usually) using the mass of the star in a given system as a locked in stopping point. It's very plausible, if gravity drives and/or Alcubierre drives are ever made feasible 😅

[fiery wedge]

Oh, never played the game lol. Read a few years ago somewhere of the idea of altering space itself to move "faster" than light.

I used to be really into space stuff so I've heard quite a few of the theories people have had for ftlt

[tropic crag]

You would probably like Elite, then. It's really space nerd oriented, if you dip into the lore and such. But it's all grounded in reality, to an extent. Also there's a great PvP scene, if you discount the few random gankers now and then. But enough about that, what exact kind of drive do we think was on the Genesis ship? Just good ol' FTL for the sake of brevity? Or something more in depth, like a gravity drive?

[ripe cedar]

Uh element thingamajig

[simple edge]

Ark 2, the only game where you can mutate humans

[ripe cedar]

I doubt there isnt a game where you can do that

[blissful perch]

3 XD

[wispy sierra]

was it restful at least

[blissful perch]

I got 8 total so yes. Slept 8pm-12am then 4-7am

[wispy sierra]

that is a truly borked schedule

just, immense borkage

[blissful perch]

The moon also has earthquakes btw: when an impact occurs a shockwave travels through it. Iirc this is what happened on mars

[lavish rain]

How are you able to just dk that

[blissful perch]

I can sleep extremely easily lol

[torn crypt]

1. Enough with the redundant creatures. 2 to 3 creatures that has similar abilities is fine but 6 to 8 is OVERKILL

2. Dinos should be capped by STATS not levels. Meaning if you take a level 5 dino and breed with a level 300+ doesn't matter. Once you max out STATS the offspring
   wont be able to get any stronger. This will balanced out players having super dinos. Breeding needs a nice cap enough with these ridiculous creatures already.

3. Keep it 95% primitive if not 100% enough with the managarmrs noglins bloodstalkers and all these OP SCIFI mounts. Let the players dictate the combat not the mount you are riding.

4. Add more game modes, I am sure you guys can have playlist with multiple modes beyond PVE or PVP. Add Turf War where tribes and players can leave tribes join
   other tribes and everyone fight for land on the map. You have North Zone South Zone West Zone East Zone SE Zone SW Zone NW Zone NE Zone etc. It's still PVP but
   the objective is to capture the most land on the map. or have 4 Zones North South East West. and within each Zones you have multiple tribes that protect their
   zone from invaders. In essence it's normal pvp with zones. Players ally with each other in zones. If you leave a zone you have a 48hr cooldown where you are a outsider
   you have no zone so you are a threat to everyone. Game needs to evolve with multiple modes beyond PVE and PVP.

5. Keep the game as primitive and prehistoric as possible. 2015 to 2016 was ARK at it's best. Game was good up until 2018 before Extinction arrived but 2015 to 2016 was
   the PEAK of the game. This was ARK in it's purest form PRIMITIVE no special OP scifi creatures or weapons. We need this again.

These are what ARk 2 needs to become a solid game.

[lavish rain]

Not this dude again

[torn crypt]

6. Add a survival of the fittest elimination mode. Tribes of 4, if your tribemates dies you are left alone to survive against other tribes of 4. Meaning if you lose a tribemate you now have 3
   members if you lose another you now have 2 members and it gets lower and lower. If you all die your tribe is eliminated. Add something where you can bring your tribemate back but
   you have to acquire special artifacts and defeat maybe a boss to grant your tribemate life again. or figure something that would work. Make it so you can only be eliminated if a player kills
   you. Meaning death to the enviroment doesn't count but if you get killed by another non-tribe player you are eliminated. Maybe set a timer of 1 month. Server wipes ever month so players
   can build up and prepare to take each other out. Tribes with the most elimination wins. Have a tribe log history that shows how much elimination a tribe has.

7. No more mining drills. What is the point of the creatures if you are going to make tools and weapons that renders them obsolete? WC has a way of killing off their own creatures
   with newer creatures. Players who enjoy ark will purchase the DLCs you don't have to throw in super OP creatures for us to buy the DLCs. I love ARK I would purchase new DLC
   regardless because I like new maps new scenery the same map gets boring eventually. You don't need to break the game in order to entice players to pick up the new DLCs.

8. We need a PRIMITIVE gameplay Man vs Dinos no space whales manas keep it simple. Make species X plants good again. The days when X plants use to be useful we need those days back.
   X plants server 0 purpose I miss the days when you can survive just with X plants not anymore.

Let me goto the forums I gotta make a ark thread I need these great ideas out in the ark universe.

[lavish rain]

I rarely see people use mining drills

[torn crypt]

9. Get rid of beer anything that can benefit a player in raid that doesn't cost anything to make is SILLY. Why are beer so easy to make doesn't cost you nothing special and it aids you
   in raiding as if players dont already have tons of advantages.

10. The game shouldn't favor OFFENSE over DEFENSE. It should be harder to raid a base than to build one. The tribe with the OP raid dinos and resources win the fight most the time. Get rid
    of offline raiding. Find a way to make it so all raids take place online. Why should I invest 100s of hours grinding only to get knock off by some guy that has no job who sits infront
    his console/PC all day. How is this fair? Players have lives, iron out the ORP system make ORP server a big thing. I think ORP is the middle ground. Have enough ORP server as regular ones.

Ark 2 potential is so HIGH if done correctly I really hope they get it right.

These are the blueprint to a great ark 2 I have high hopes.

[south lance]

🧢

[past wind]

A new SOTF would be really nice

[tropic forge]

damn after reading all that its missing p2w in that list

[south lance]

dollie already confirmed no p2w

[tropic forge]

no im talking about the dale00 list

[south lance]

eh fair ig

[blissful perch]

Dale can read, maybe he read Dollie’s comment

[tropic forge]

that guy is very confuse whit the definition of "primitive" cause all he mentions is the mythical and sci fi creatures not having metal industry and other stuff 🤣

[torn crypt]

That is a awesome list right there

[blissful perch]

True. Dale you good with no firearms or just no fantasy creatures?

[tropic forge]

btw who's gonna pay for your "multiple modes beyond PVE or PVP"

[torn crypt]

Primitive to me is dino that you know and normal gear not managarmr space creatures and tek suits

Keep the game simple it was better in its simplier form

[blissful perch]

Wc already has multiple modes

[tropic forge]

no he wants more

[torn crypt]

We should have a Turf War mode

[blissful perch]

Sure, but you can shrink the official server count for PvP and PvE to make that happen Fox

[torn crypt]

Those are not modes we currently have boring. We need real innovative modes

[tropic forge]

well keep in mind the more you shrink official servers the more populate the other servers will be

[torn crypt]

Turf War alliances in each zone 4 zones North South East West. You can join any zone you want you can leave zones join new zones. Objective is to capture as much land/turf as possible

[tropic forge]

that sounds mmo

[torn crypt]

I think for ARK 2 ppl want options just saying play pve or pvp is not options

[blissful perch]

That’s good. Servers should be operating at 60-70% capacity

[blissful perch]

The ark official network is an mmo

[torn crypt]

Give us a good solid list of game mode and let ppl decide what hey wanna play not everyone care about spending months on a server.

[blissful perch]

Lock people to the server they pick? Now it’s a little less MMO

[torn crypt]

Let the ARK universe spread out

Who wanna play turf war or other things can do so others can play traditional modes.

[tropic forge]

not really at least for pve having a server full its bad maybe it wont soo much in ark 2 but if they gonna make it bigger i can see making it bad if servers are 60 to 70% capacity

[torn crypt]

repacking the same game with better graphics is not innovation

After 7 years almost 8 time to raise the bar and up things. Don't change what works just build on it.

[tropic forge]

shiter have you being on a official pve server on a realese map? its a battle to be able to join back

[blissful perch]

No, but any server based game like ark on release of anything is gonna be stressed

[torn crypt]

in 2015 to 2017

[blissful perch]

Because why buy server space for everyone who plays a week and quits

[torn crypt]

It took almost 1hr to join any official server at any given time

This was when ARK was at its PEAK ARK in its PRIME

I use to have to spam join for 1hr to get in my server

o official pvp those days are loooong gone

Ark was thriving the game was FUN NEW everyone was addicted then they started with the broken DLCs with manas and it got worse and worse now its just a distance memory

Broken DLCs and Mega Tribes ruined ARK. These 2 things is why ark is not what it once was. Not because it got OLD because it got worse and mega tribes got more TOXIC

[blissful perch]

Sorry but breeding ruined ark lol

[tropic forge]

what i have observe ppl dont quit in a week after buying a dlc they try to get a good spot on the first week in that server but if they cant or not able to join in time cause server is beyond max capacity they quit, then there's others that are playing to learn more about the map and spots to build a base and waiting for new servers in hope to claim a spot for their new base

[torn crypt]

They need to cap the breeding by stats not levels

I remember when you couldnt breed ark was so GOOD

Implement breeding just dont make it so you can make dinos that are so far outta reach it ruins the experience

Find a middle ground

I watched ARK grow like a little baby into this broken mess it is currently. I miss the old days I was obsess my 1st survival game 2015 and I was hooked like crack.

[blissful perch]

I’m down to just block mutations entirely. Cringe mechanic

[torn crypt]

I agree @blissful perch

Well dont block you can mutate for colors

[blissful perch]

Yea I’m fine with color muts, good point. What do you think about keeping fabis and pump shotguns tho?

[torn crypt]

Leave the color part if anything lower the bar where you can mutate and cap stats not levels. so you can only get this specific amount in 1 stats so you cant make these broken super unreal creatures.

I think some guns should require more work to get

[tropic forge]

keeping hardcore primitive wont make ark 2 last long in large audience

[torn crypt]

Ark also need to work on the progression s ystem. From early to late game no middle game. Its just new player player in tek what about the middle

Change direction picture conan exile its primitive ppl who plays it love it. Ark should be the same not like conan but primitive.

[blissful perch]

It can, but it needs progression within the theme and something to do. You don’t need “age spanning tech” to grant players progression and something to spend time doing

[torn crypt]

I am telling you if I was responsible for inputs on ark it would be the greatest game ever created. Hands down

Breeding need to be lowered to 2 days for rexes

maybe 5 days for gigas

[blissful perch]

The mating cooldown should be 0, but only one male and one female can breed at a time. I liked that suggestion when someone brought it up. Let’s cut back on the insane mega breeding bases

[torn crypt]

This long breeding meachanic is ridiculous I get why they did it to prevent ppl from having unreal creatures but that didnt stop them did it.

[blissful perch]

Yep. Cutting mutations down will help a great deal with allowing breeding timers to come down

[torn crypt]

We dont have our lives to waste sitting breeding dinos ppl got sh#t to do just lower breeding and nerf the life outta getting OP creatures

Why should us gamers get punished for a flawed mechanic. Because the breeding mechanic is so BAD I have to spend my entire life raising virtual pets that can easily get killed come on people.

[blissful perch]

Raising them so their number is slightly higher, excuse you

[torn crypt]

We have jobs kids school work other more important things game is a escape not our lives. Come on WC

This why if the breeding doesn't get updated ill never return to official ark

I don't have that time anymore to sit around all day watching dinos grow up sorry. We should be able to get fully grown gigas in about 4 days thats fair. This 2 week plan is baloni

Sure mega tribes have 0 issues they have 100 members to take shifts the avg tribe has between 4 and 8 they dont have that luxury to sit around for 2 weeks raising dinos. Also they should update cryopods. Being able to throw a dino out in someone's base is Horse Sh#t one of the worse mechanics get rid of cryopods. I like it better when we had to walk our dinos home wherever you tame a dino you either walk it home fly it on a quetz or something.

Early ark was so damn good why did they have to turn it into this space age futuristic game.

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind the theme, but I do mind how messed up a lot of balance has become

You can do sci fi like Horizon Zero Dawn and keep things balanced and more primitive feeling

[torn crypt]

Every DLC kills the next its liek each DLC up the other I don't get that concept

What I think is a better option is simple. Give us the modes separately you can play Primitive or Tek

Split the modes ppl like myself like the more simplier primitive form ALOT of ppl do keep the tek stuff. So give us 2 modes. If the plan is to go in the direction of tek, once tek is introduce you add 2 modes. Regular which is tek and Primitive.

The key here is options we need options don't force tek down our throats some of us don't care for TEK.

[blissful perch]

I think tek is just flat removed in ark 2. Which I think is fine

[torn crypt]

That is good but are they planning on introducing it later?

Tek was a big part of the ark corruption. Mega tribes wanted to be on top couldn't help but dupe all their tek stuff.

With no tek no reason to go crazy and the DLCs made element so easy its a joke. Atleast Aberration gave you the option to make it if you choose then Extinction made it easy and Gen1 and Gen2 just throw the kitchen sink at us. Come on WC

[blissful perch]

Doesn’t seem like it

“What’s next for ark? Not tek, that’s for sure.” Sounds like tek isn’t making any sort of appearance

[split dove]

expect it to only come back as a small part of the story

[blissful perch]

Element probably will, but tek from ark 1 seems to be gone

[torn crypt]

11. Cryopods need to be reworked or removed. The cooldown before throwing out another cryod creatures should be 20minutes. Cryosickness should be increased to 15minutes.

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t be shocked to see it as a mission gimmick

[torn crypt]

We need a rework on cryopods

Cryopods make the raiding landscape too damn easy

[blissful perch]

Removed as a pokeball option. Really lame to have that in the game

[torn crypt]

Throw a dino out in someones base how is that fair?

[blissful perch]

I like the dino storage, dislike the pokeball aspect

[torn crypt]

They did too much madness

Made raiding super easy just bring all your stuff in pokey balls. I get they wanted to lower server lag but that wasnt it that aint it

[split dove]

and replace it with our ''stable'' structure idea, wich can have the upload/download function of the transmitter

[torn crypt]

Funny I said the same thing keep the storage remove the ball

No more freaking cryopods raiding became a joke cant get through that hole no problem throw your dino into the base. Silly

Yes cryopods need to stay in ark one dont wanna see that anymore not with that mechanics. That really made raiding too easy. I j ust wanna see 2015 to 2016 ARK return in ARK 2 the glory days without all the extra garbage.

[blissful perch]

There were issues with old ark, namely OP fliers and quetz drop ship nonsense

[torn crypt]

Yes i remember the days with PTs with 300 speed they took care of that by removing speed leveling which was needed on official

I live through all the nonsense but Ark in beta form pre 2017 was so damn good I was hooked like a kid to sugar. My 1st experience with survival and I couldn't get enough by end of 2018 that joy I had for 3yrs went away the game turn to S###

Maybe I can return when they get it right I have high hopes man Hope I can ark again one day on official but i wont if the breeding timer requires me to not have a life.