ark-2

[tropic crag]

God, I sure hope it is, have you seen some of the Ark 1 community?

[mighty lion]

When I made the comment about taming 20 rexes in an hour, I meant with a skiff. They are pretty OP, best way to travel

[blissful perch]

Yes…but unless they make ark 2 PvP less toxic I’m not sensing that’s going anywhere

[tropic crag]

Hence the "sure hope it is" lol

[blissful perch]

How to make a toxic PvP experience: step 1.) no rule of law 2.) promote and incentivize tearing down other players by any means available 3.) enable and encourage unfair scenarios as often as possible 4.) allow large powerful groups to amass infinite power 5.) allow your progress to be wiped in a comparative instant (even while offline)

[tropic crag]

6.) Enforce rules against cheaters only when it's to protect themselves from other cheaters

[mighty lion]

7. Leave exploits in game so someone can wipe away 2 years of progress in an instant

[blissful perch]

Well that’s why step 1 is at the top…enforcement would go a long way

But I’ve not seen any game really do that right for survival unless it’s a very tightly managed unofficial

[tropic crag]

Yeah, proper GMs and patrolling of servers (and actually reading the logs/looking into reported cases) would certainly help, I would think

[blissful perch]

But it’s expensive

[tropic crag]

If you want good service, yeah. But so are the servers to keep them running. If you can't have enough GMs for the servers you keep, don't have that many servers up, invest in GMs

The demand for more servers should only be met when the current ones are properly run and looked after imo

[blissful perch]

Normally I’d agree but people refund games if there’s no servers, not if there’s no GMs

[tropic crag]

I'd have refunded Ark if it weren't for being able to make an unofficial cluster, due to cheaters

So I'd beg to differ 😅

[blissful perch]

If ark was only official I’d likely have done the same. But for games like atlas there was tons of refunding because people couldn’t connect at launch

[tropic crag]

I have a feeling there was more to Atlas than just poor server count, but maybe I'm being facetious...

[blissful perch]

The primary cause of negative reviews on launch day was “laggy, ark_ocean, can’t connect”

2/3 had nothing to do with the actual gameplay or design but with the server infrastructure

[tropic crag]

Fair

[blissful perch]

Speaking purely monetarily, the best system is one where the game space regulates the players and outside human interaction is minimized

You’ll notice minecraft did just fine with NO official servers and NO official regulation for most/all of its development, and that’s because it’s super costly and for a sandbox it’s hard to prevent a cesspool of lawlessness from being the face of your game

[tropic crag]

I'd be fine with that, no official servers, except maybe a few to teach you the game perhaps

But that's obviously not gonna happen lol

[blissful perch]

No; because ark also wants to be a pseudo MMO

[tropic crag]

I know some will hate me for saying this, but I think that is (at least one of) Ark's major misstep(s); trying to be an MMO. The whole idea of mega tribes and the toxicity they bring would be nil if the game wasn't so dang big in it's whole connected game worlds thing. That's why transfers exist I imagine, to further the idea of other players being in the same game world but separated, just a transfer away, from raiding to becoming allianced, it's all right there, waiting for you

[blissful perch]

I agree ark failed as an MMO and should have dropped attempts to be one

It resolves many problems to drop MMO centric design ideas like infinite scaling, multi server characters and items, and multi server guilds (tribes). It won’t happen it seems but it would be a positive for ark to focus on survival RPG instead of the MMORPG

[tropic crag]

I think the reason they aren't dropping it is because at this point it would be too jarring to do so, we already have so many "jarring" (according to the people who think souls-like combat and better movement/third person is jarring, that is) things going on that if they had dropped the MMO part it would've been too much of a risk, and they didn't want to gamble it all

[blissful perch]

It’s what? 40% of players play official (the MMO gamemode)? I respect that perspective

But I hope WC recognizes that a sizable if not majority of players would prefer the MMO qualities be scaled back or dropped

[tropic crag]

Well, unofficials also do have the ability for the 70+ player servers, to be fair

I personally never have more than 10 per, if you need more than that, just add another of that map to your cluster

With enough of your playerbase's demand, of course

[blissful perch]

I prefer ark with 10 or less people on a server but that’s just me

But clusters are themselves an MMO feature. One I dislike lol

Each map imo should be a separate entity with its own balance and experience

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, I just view them as maps to move to, since my friend group is pretty tightly knit and we rarely want/need to have more than one of a map. We progress through the story in various ways, with various limits imposed on ourselves, like taking on the whole game with just horses and sheep 😂

I will say though, the build up from level 1 on Aberration hit different, so I do know what you mean in a way

[blissful perch]

The only time I like transfers is to have fun new experiences with non-native tames on a specific map…but idk I always liked going through each map (and have) from level 1

[tropic crag]

And I like that about Ark 1, having the ability to either start anew on each new map, or continue as per the story/cutscenes hint at. The player choice and freedom in that regard is bonkers... just the idea that the way Genesis works/is presented and whether or not you're the same survivor being up to player choice in the long run is cool af to me

[blissful perch]

I enjoy that flexibility for sure

What I don’t respect so much is bringing in capped gear and meat running a map, but that’s again out of my hands and I’ll just have to seek that experience myself. The real issue imo is when the MMO creeps into my gameplay through “infinite progression” mechanics that waste a ton of time but are required because those playing the MMO need a challenge

[tired rain]

Wait is ark2 becoming sort of like an mmo? I literally know nothing of ark 2 😄

[blissful perch]

Pins! Then chat with us 🙂

[tropic crag]

Fair enough. I usually combat the whole meat-running thing by playing through the maps akin to how Syntac did in his ultimate ark series of videos, either limited dinos can come with, or none. And usually we don't bring gear besides like the saddles on the dinos or the armor we're wearing as well

We've done full on dry starts on the maps going forward as well though, no gear or dinos (or characters, sometimes). But most people I know don't like the early game too much, or at least the early early game lol

[tired rain]

Looking at their roadmap, it looks very, very ambitious. I expect to see it cut a lot shorter before the release

[tropic crag]

I hope they're able to get everything in working order before early access, but that's a bit optimistic of me admittedly 😅

[blissful perch]

That’s cause it’s like an hour

[tropic crag]

Yeah, that and the whole starting with nothing thing gets boring after the 300th time for most lol

[blissful perch]

For me it’s not starting 300 times I hate: it’s breeding 300 times

I don’t want to do the slog parts of ark a billion times so as I’ve started more I’ve just kept raising the breeding rates lol. Cause I’ve done it already, and it’s so damn time consuming and dull it kills the experience of starting fresh and feeling more exposed

[tropic crag]

Oh yeah, hard agree. Our rates are pretty sweet in that regard, no way we'd still be going if they were anywhere even near official

Breeding does need a change in the mutation department, you already know I agree with you there 😂

(Or just a straight removal of said mutation department, but I digress)

[split dove]

either remove them or rework them into a capped form like (10-20) in a skill tree for dinos

[blissful perch]

I think people would be more amicable to wipes (player or server caused) if there was less to lose, solely from a time perspective

[tropic crag]

For sure, if the grind was reduced for official (at least PvP) but the tradeoff was wipes, I'd be all for it. Sounds akin to Rust in that regard

[blissful perch]

I’d hate to not have an objective to strive for each wipe but that’s also just me. Perhaps it’s ok to just wipe and keep gameplay as freeform and objective-less as it is now

I’d probably go back to official if they had unique cosmetics unlock for each wipe (although prolly PvE since I can’t spend time in a mega or deal with offlines lol)

[tropic crag]

There's no cosmetic unlocks for wipe in Rust, iirc, and people still play that (currently) objectiveless game

[blissful perch]

Yep, totally true

But Frieza made some good points about wipes perhaps causing people to not play (which could be a projection of how current players in the current ecosystem would behave) and so an incentive to play each wipe may be helpful

[humble magnet]

Rust is fun. It needs wipes or it would be ark with the alphas that own servers. Difference is, you can hit end game in rust in a day. It would be hard on official to do that in ark I feel

[fiery wedge]

Gen 2 exists

[humble magnet]

Haven’t played a lot of gen 2. Just know every new tame is broken op

[blissful perch]

So you’re saying ark’s more permanent long form playstyle isn’t conducive to wipes? I can see that

[ripe marsh]

But Frieza made some good points
that took me out for a sec

[blissful perch]

His fault for choosing the name I guess lol

[ripe marsh]

true lol

[mental plume]

hear me out for ark 2

they add a fourth difficulty like gamma beta alpha master

[stray elm]

That doesn't make any sense

The three difficulties are kind of towards animalistic/tribal like themes.
'Gamma' being the easiest since it's the lowest of the food-chain.
'Beta' is a bit harder, but you're still a Beta-boi.
'Alpha' is only for the most apex, experienced survivors (if you don't cheese the fight)

[fiery wedge]

Imagine not cheesing the fight

[stray elm]

I find it a lot more fun to actually play a boss fight how it's intended.

[empty grail]

Bosses easy and I don't cheese

[fiery wedge]

How is it "intended"

[empty grail]

110k hp rex and 1k melee

[fiery wedge]

I'm simply using the optimal strategy

[stray elm]

Pretty sure they never intended for the tek-cave to be passed by a single Archy, with a tek-jetpack in the overseer arena with a shotgun and a shitload of ammo.

[empty grail]

If ur on pvp it do doesn't matter

U need Tek fast asap

[fiery wedge]

Only on dedis does that happen

[stray elm]

And that's great.
'i' just don't prefer to cheese bosses.
Not saying i 'haven't' cheesed bosses before, cause i will admit. Doing the overseer over, and over, and over, and over again, does get a bit tiring.

[mental plume]

it's intended to be cheesed

[fiery wedge]

Yeah facts

[mental plume]

now how do i cheese the spidor

[fiery wedge]

Procop shotgun

[mental plume]

the kangoroo

[fiery wedge]

Yes

[mental plume]

wait how in what world can a canadian kill a big spider with his pet kangaroo and shotgun

[untold ingot]

Uh, in a normal irl world if it takes a shotgun AND a kangaroo to kill a spider, you have some more serious problems 🤣

[stray elm]

That's cause Australia isn't normal.

I got friends over there.
They can confirm they got 20+ feet tall spiders.

[untold ingot]

Oof

I am pretty sure if that was an irl spider, no one would complain if everyone rode kangaroos and shot it with shotguns jaja

[stray elm]

People complain about people doing sick kickflips on skateboards.
Wouldn't be surprised if they did complain over people hunting spiders in a kangaroo pouch.

[mental plume]

yeah what i heard was embrace my inner Australian

[solid karma]

N

[blissful perch]

It would probably be alpha beta gamma delta in that case, and I suppose the first question is what purpose the fourth difficulty would serve…would it actually add anything to the game?

[mental plume]

more fun

[lavish rain]

All are also Greek alphabet

[lavish rain]

It would make either beta or alpha an unnecessary difficulty

3 of somthing is usually OK, 4 of somthing, atleast 1 thing isn't fleshed out

Tale main characters for example

3 usually works better than 4

[untold ingot]

I mean, even currently the 3 tiers of boss don't really add much other than extra breeding

The effort to farm them is basically the same, with alpha just taking a lot more time to find things

[blissful perch]

I’d say the difference between gamma and beta is a nice change of difficulty pace. Gamma has much more room for sloppy errors while beta feels like the sweet spot before alpha just slaps you if you’re not well prepared

[terse moth]

whos exited about ark2

[blissful perch]

I say this considering missions as well as boss fights, in many missions gamma is extremely forgiving and alpha has very little room for error

[blissful perch]

Most of us who talk a lot in this chat 😂

[terse moth]

cool

[untold ingot]

I am excited if thats what you mean 🤣🤣

[blissful perch]

I’m hoping to finish Fjordur before ark 2…the only other dead bucket list item left is alpha king titan but tbh I’m not gonna lose sleep for not doing that. Then I’ll uninstall ark 1 once ark 2 drops

[terse moth]

i like how ark2 is primitive

[blissful perch]

I’m most excited for the new knowledge system and the new creature AI

[terse moth]

ya

[blissful perch]

A slept on thing I’m eager to see improved is the UI though. There’s a lot of room for improvement with it and if it works well it could be really sweet

[split dove]

ark 2 drops > do Rockwell prime > transition into Ark 2

[blissful perch]

I’d do that with some of you guys

[untold ingot]

We could do a group to run island > gen2 before ark2 drops

[split dove]

only annoying things would be like missions

[untold ingot]

Other than the Gen1 races and the baby skiff race on gen2 they are pretty okay

[split dove]

only mission i despise is star dolphin

[blissful perch]

I’d do that on PvE with you guys, not sure if I want to do official lmao unless we were aiming for gamma on every map

[blissful perch]

You don’t hate the canoe race? You’re crazy

[untold ingot]

Canoe race was easy though

Only took like 200 tries lol

[blissful perch]

LMAO

[fallow niche]

Please no missions

I hated them

[untold ingot]

Well if we are aiming for a June 2023 release, we could start in January, and do a map per month

[blissful perch]

I love missions

[untold ingot]

I enjoyed the missions

[split dove]

we'd be at it untill 2024 if we do official xD

[untold ingot]

Nah, we would just trade for someone's Rex line, ez pz

But it would ruin a lot of the authenticity trying to do a fresh run on official these days

[blissful perch]

The only missions I hated were the ones that bugged horribly, the ones that required capped lines to do fairly, and the CANOE MISSION which was just pure torture

[untold ingot]

There aren't missions that require capped lines though

[untold ingot]

The astro race and skiff board were horrible lol

[blissful perch]

I feel like you need a lot to do some of the alpha hunts on Gen 1

[untold ingot]

Does bleed not work on them anymore?

I just used a tamed thyla to do the alpha missions on Gen1 lol

[stray elm]

Ah yes.
Like star-dolphin on Xbox. Where for the first half of a year, it didn't work cause the right stick wouldn't move the cursor.

[blissful perch]

I guess we don’t need much mutation breeding for extinction either since we can use the titans…although idk how easy that is to do on official

[stray elm]

Yeah, you can do all 3 King-Titans with just the Ice and Forest Titan.
And of course the Mega-Mek once you get it.

[untold ingot]

Would need someone who is good at taming the titans, because I for sure am not lol

[stray elm]

I'm not either.
But i'm good at being the Forest-Titan.

[blissful perch]

I’ve only tamed the desert titan so I’m also the wrong person to ask lmao

[stray elm]

Let me tell you a funny story on Ned's server.

[tropic forge]

depends in pve is easy pvp guess its a mess

[untold ingot]

I have tamed them all, but it took like 6 hours because I was using a faby sniper and tek suit, because I kept killing them with the mek lol

[tropic forge]

mech only whit the gun not rockets

[stray elm]

I was on t he Forest-Titan, and had the great idea to just go 'heal mode' constantly right in front of the Alpha-King-Titan.
While a friend was in the Mega-Mek, right behind me, smacking the King-Titan since the sword is long enough.
And the best thing is.
"The alpha King-Titan doesn't go after the regular titans. He specifically goes towards the Mega-Mek, which i was blocking"
It was pretty easy to say the least.

[tropic forge]

its faster to tame whit rockets but higher chance to kill them too

[blissful perch]

The king titan I believe is the only story boss I’ve never faced. Which stinks because it’s probably good experience to have when thinking of ark 2 bosses

[stray elm]

You'd also want them with as much health as possible. So Rockets aren't the smartest if you wanna go for Alpha titans.

[tropic forge]

yeh that too

desert titan is the only one its a pain and pain in boring to tame it

[stray elm]

High-tier snipers are good, if you can hit the shot.

[untold ingot]

We would have to add fjordur in to the story, just to get thors hammer lol

[tropic forge]

i use mech's gun

[stray elm]

But from what i've seen. Meks are the best for taming titans.

[stray elm]

Oh god, no.

You need to be level 190 to get that shit.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I am just really bad at meks unless its clearing people's caves lol

[stray elm]

Raq, you're laughing.
But that isn't a joke.

[untold ingot]

Note farming for 290 hours lol

[untold ingot]

Yeah I know jaja

[stray elm]

It's possible.
But i'm already going to be wasting my life with the alpha bosses.
I ain't doing a fucking note-run.

[split dove]

or rune run

[stray elm]

Same difference.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that would be a little excessive jaja

[stray elm]

Which, i know a friend that did that.

[untold ingot]

I am doing it currently

[stray elm]

Motherfucker truly 100% ARK.

[split dove]

have fun collecting 1500 for 20 extra lvls

[blissful perch]

vomits

[stray elm]

Yep........

[untold ingot]

Fjordur is the only thing I am missing. I think like 75 runes left jaja

It's not official though, so I know some people wouldn't count it jaja

[stray elm]

If i could get my PC start working again. I'd love to go through a story-map challenge with you guys.

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind collectibles that aren’t mandatory but I’d cry if I had to find all 200 runes

[stray elm]

Actually........
Raq, do you know anything about software issues?

[untold ingot]

Depends

What type of issue?

[stray elm]

My storage drivers keep capping at 100% whenever i'm installing stuff, making it impossible to install stuff.

[untold ingot]

Hmm, that sounds like a hardware thing, and I am not good with that unfortunately

[stray elm]

Fuck.

[blissful perch]

We do have to call our tribe #ark-survival-ascended2 though right?

I’ll put it in the proper LFG channels when we get closer. We’ll probably start after New Years

[stray elm]

I vote on "The cult of Bob"

[blissful perch]

Nah it’s gotta be in reference to the chat we spend our time in lol

[split dove]

Perfect

[untold ingot]

Lol

[stray elm]

"Respawned again"

[blissful perch]

I’ll take “Santiago Grunt”

[stray elm]

'Inhuman grunts'

[split dove]

classic vindiago line 1/3 actual lines

[stray elm]

"Something tells me that this'll be the easy part"

[lament chasm]

Ark 2 need to add oil in stat of blood with tek dino

[split dove]

Respawned again / family / GRUNT

[untold ingot]

Family of Bob deisel

[stray elm]

Anything to meme on Vin is fine by me.

[split dove]

ark 2 wil likely not even have tek dinos

[blissful perch]

I was about to ask “Who’s gonna tell him” lol

[stray elm]

Honestly, there's a chance it could have tek-dinos.
Cause tek-dinos weren't part of the original tek-issue of "oh my god, this shit is so unbalance."

[lament chasm]

Wtf

Why not

[blissful perch]

Again it boils down to if tek creatures in ruins or other areas will exist as a sort of derelict tek

[blissful perch]

Tweet “what’s next for ark 2? Not tek, that’s for sure”

[lament chasm]

Damn

They are nice 2 have no cryosicknes

[stray elm]

The likelyhood of them coming back is low.
But just like a bad Saturday night morning, and you feel like cleaning, then you slip and snap your neck is unlikely, but never 0%

[stray elm]

Yeaaaaaah.
Cryopods may also not come back, since those are tek-based.

[lament chasm]

So also no guns😭

[stray elm]

Maybe flintlocks

[lament chasm]

I don't gana buy it

[stray elm]

Cool.
Don't then.

[blissful perch]

Yea we don’t know what the other tweet “primarily primitive” means…it’s pretty dang vague

[untold ingot]

It's still a little early to judge the game imo

[lament chasm]

Pls changes my mind

[stray elm]

No thanks

[lament chasm]

Pls let there be more then one map

[untold ingot]

Can't change your mind, I am still super hyped about it

[blissful perch]

^Yea that’s a bad case of “not my problem”. I won’t change your mind because that’s not my job

[untold ingot]

There probably won't be right at the start

[lament chasm]

Yeah I got that

Ark 1 didn't had that

[stray elm]

Stiiiilll hoping that future DLC's will progress the technology over time.
I 100% don't mind a primitive based map. But i don't think i'll last long on ARK-2 if it'll be 'all' primitive throughout its possible 6-8 year lifespan.

[blissful perch]

I kinda think it’s very possible

There’s a LOT of content that’s loosely classified as primitive

[stray elm]

Right.

[lament chasm]

So it will be like loats of primative plus style

[stray elm]

Hell, some people (i think Cedric also) liked my idea of "salvaged tek"

[split dove]

yes

[blissful perch]

That’s the current thinking, but we don’t know for sure

[lament chasm]

Nice

I also liked that

[untold ingot]

Would add some much needed continuity to the story lol

[stray elm]

I also pointed that out.

"it'd make sense, since we have a giant ass space-ship we could tear apart for resources"

[split dove]

''that's strange, the destroyed ring has magicly dissapeared''

[untold ingot]

My biggest issue with the story maps is there seems to be little continuity between them except for ab->extinction and the self contained story on genesis

[stray elm]

Salvaged-tek could also be the new industrial-era.
Using old broken up parts of the ship to make makeshift furnaces and such.

[untold ingot]

I want forges I can actually interact with, not just put stuff in and it pops it out lol

Actually being able to forge weapons would be epic

[stray elm]

The island-Extinction had some good continuity.
But yeah, there's a huge gap between Extinction and Genesis-1

(besides Scorched)

[lament chasm]

I also hope that there be some more powerful tranq arrows then

And traps that sink into the ground

[stray elm]

But soon, Scorched is going to be fixed with its continuity and actually have a proper ending.
Hopefully with them also changing some of the lore later on. We'll see something that's between Extinction and Genesis-1.

[lament chasm]

Like elephant traps

[blissful perch]

Elephant traps that would do…what?

[split dove]

i hope tranq taming for 80% of all creatures will be gone in ark 2 aswell

[blissful perch]

100%

I think some creatures should be tamed via combat or violent means, but KO taming is just plain dull. 90% of the time spent is watching the KOd creature

[stray elm]

From what it sounds like, seems like we're getting random world events that we can encounter.

Which could be tied in to how we could tame some creatures

[untold ingot]

That's for stuff like watering hole gatherings right?

[stray elm]

"defending endangered creatures to earn their trust,"

Yep, i think i'm right.

[untold ingot]

Wait does it say that?

[blissful perch]

You’re both correct

[stray elm]

" Another area that we’re particularly excited about is the World Event system. Rather than simply having a more-or-less static environment with easily predictable or repetitive occurrences ala ARK 1, the new World Event system is designed to ensure that unique things are always happening around the world, whether you are there or not. Events include procedurally-dynamic scenarios like watering hole gatherings, wounded creatures, tracking the signs of advanced prey, stampedes, herds, defending endangered creatures to earn their trust, finding dens of parent creatures and their young, and more. Whether you choose to engage with these events is up to you, and each can yield unique rewards and challenges. "

[split dove]

also like hunting wounded creatures

[untold ingot]

That sounds a lot like the immersive taming, which would be 10000% better

[stray elm]

Or possibly 'helping' them, to gain trust

[untold ingot]

I must have missed that a little

The finding dens with parents and their young sounds like we will be stealing baby Dinos from nests which will be cool

[stray elm]

This whole mechanic is emphasizing 'choice'
So i'm wondering if even the wounded creature one is like "You can kill them to get easy food and hide, or help them but they have a permanent penalty"

[untold ingot]

I am hoping the Dino healing involves more than just feeding it

Actually having to bandage it and let it rest would be cool

[stray elm]

Honestly, i think someone needs to break all of this down and actually then explain what the game would theoretically be like, then just "oh my god guys, this thing will be in ARK-1!"

[untold ingot]

I am all for more involved interaction between Dino and rider

[stray elm]

I feel like there should be more options with imprinting, and another bar called "bonding"
Sure, you can get a animal to imprint on you to see you as their parent. But that doesn't mean they're going to 100% like you.

"finding dens of parent creatures and their young"

So egg stealing creatures like drakes, and gaining their trust in the wild are the two confirmed taming method.

Hell, tranq taming could be completely scrapped, and only be for PvP use.

"your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit – all to convey the feeling of the raw power of such a ferocious creature!"

I was wrong.
There's going to be a bit more gore in ARK-2

[stray elm]

Hold up

What'd you think "proper World Map systems" means?

Cause a 'proper world-map' would be a map.......of the planet, would it not?

"You’ll get your first preview of the ARK 2 gameplay down the road"

WHEN!

[split dove]

''down the road ''

best bet is extra life

[stray elm]

Still excited for console modding.

[blissful perch]

I assume a map with real UI instead of the terrible map you get in ark 1 with the “m” key

[stray elm]

Now....my question is.
How will Microsoft react to this?
Cause the way it seems like Mod.Io works.......couldn't you publish any PC mods onto console?

[stray elm]

Ah, right

[split dove]

ark 1 map with bloom on is discord light mode/flashbang

[blissful perch]

It’s just plain bad

A modern map needs zooming in, POI markers, waypoints that actually tell you something (the ark 1 pins are so damn big you may as well not use them and just memorize the general area lol)

[stray elm]

"Just keep an eye out for Vin – he likes to play on his Series X more than you might expect, and his skill at wrangling a Giga is unequaled…"
Since i don't doubt Vin has been testing mechanics for ARK-2 since he's practically part of the company now. Wonder if this is for ARK-1, or if they confirmed Giga's coming back for ARK-2.

[blissful perch]

I think that statement refers to his ark 1 prowess and nothing more

[mental plume]

wait is vin good at ark 1

[blissful perch]

Idk, depends on what you define “good” as. I think it’s safe to say he’s a real player who actually put time into ark beyond a tacky “he’s just doing it for marketing”

[stray elm]

Apparently he plays it quite often with his kids.
So yeah, it's actually out of entertainment.

[blissful perch]

I’m glad to hear he has fun with that, and that he seems to have actual interest in ark

[untold ingot]

Well the news thing said he has like 1000 hours, so he is probably pretty okay, even if that might make him a bit of a Bob when jusmdging by official standards

[blissful perch]

1000 hours is only bob to official ark players lol, that’s pretty intense gaming

[mighty lion]

Technically that's only 42 days of game time, accounting for afk. I'd say that's definetly considered bob level

[blissful perch]

1000 hours in any game is a lot of hours lol

[stray elm]

Espeically single-player games

[mighty lion]

Id say it's very likely that you can make it to 1000 hours and still not know the best way to do things ( which is considered bob) . But then again, It's not untypical for a official player to atleast be signed in for 16- 22 hours a day. ( xbox powers down after 6 hours afk).

[blissful perch]

that is an insane number of signed in hours...and imo represents a massive problem in game design lol

*assuming many of those are afk

[mighty lion]

When I was playing full time, it was like 16 hours game time ( which flies by) and 8 hours afk. I dont expect people to be able to play full time though

[fallow niche]

They should add an afk timer in the servers themselves

[mighty lion]

Or a mobile app, so players dont need to be afk to keep an eye on things

[fallow niche]

App would be good, would stop others from staying online afk in the servers just to keep it full and prevent others from joining

[blissful perch]

Not to be rude but WC should design the game such that "full time" isn't something people have to consider (or else risk their ark progress)

Like...why build and app and lean into a game design flaw when you could just NOT do that

[split dove]

Seeing as I'm working in a little bit, I don't want ark 2 to be a second job that consumes all of my time off on PvP

[blissful perch]

I have a full time job so official is likely untenable anyway but...it shouldn't really ever be a thing people have to weigh

[untold ingot]

For pvp I get this argument, for pve you only have to log in once or twice a week

[blissful perch]

this only applies to pvp, since yea pve absolutely does not have this issue

[untold ingot]

The only solution to that in pvp that wouldn't entirely get rid of raids and actual pvp would be to make a better ui for finding tribes to join

[blissful perch]

We talked kinda to death the addiction thing, but also it's kinda insulting to people's time to have a pvp ecosystem that demands full day connection

[untold ingot]

Maybe having upload last longer if a tribe is smaller than 3 or something

[blissful perch]

I have wondered what faction based ark 2 gameplay would do...3 or so "mega" factions, and the alternative is to be unaligned

[untold ingot]

Having never played a faction style game that I actually enjoyed I have no idea how that would work

[stray elm]

Have you played New-Vegas?

[untold ingot]

No, haven't heard of that one

[stray elm]

Never heard of "Fallout: New-Vegas?"

[untold ingot]

Oohh, it's a fallout?

[stray elm]

It's a main-title

[untold ingot]

I have never played a fallout game lol 🤣🤣

[stray elm]

The last one to be maid by the original devs

[stray elm]

Oof

New-Vegas unironically has the best factions i've enjoyed.

(wait, are we talking about the system, or their motives?)

[untold ingot]

The gameplay system I guess

Like a tribe replacement

[stray elm]

Ooooooh.

The moment i heard "factions" i thought of major NPC armies. Not factions like in a MMO that's ruled by players.

[untold ingot]

Oohh, yeah, we were talking a different context jaja

[blissful perch]

yea this is basically a proposal where all ark 2 players could choose to join factions or remain
unalligned...not sure if tribes could be allowed in addition or not

it would be interesting to see a faction system replace tribe alliances, such that you could choose between a one-tribe versus an allied faction network

[untold ingot]

Having a more hashed out system of alliances would be cool to see

I want to see more in game politics lol

[stray elm]

I wouldn't mind if they made PvP force you into two or more major factions, while being able to make your own 'tribe' in it.
Instead of all out chaos, having it that there's two opposing factions going against each other

[untold ingot]

It should be cross server visible though, otherwise you get megas able to hide their server

[stray elm]

Yep

[untold ingot]

The large scale pvp would be cool if it was entirely visible

[winged pagoda]

They could do faction wars at the end of each month and for that whole month the winning factions get a buff for their territory

[untold ingot]

That brings in the issue of claiming territory, which hasn't been addressed in ark yet

[south lance]

bruh when did you get mod

[fallow niche]

Ask in #general

[south lance]

the power imbalance increases 😢

nah im done with the subject

[south lance]

politics would bog down certain gameplay routes

like raiding becomes more and more risky

[untold ingot]

Imo that's a good thing lol

It might save more bobs

[south lance]

i think itd be the opposite

unknown people are a risk

so servers are gonna be extra vigilant to wipe unknowns

these would include bobs

plus bobs would be the only raid targets that you might actually want to raid

[fallow niche]

People in ark1 already wipe unknowns and bobs, why add more to that in ark2

[south lance]

im unsure as to what youre saying

[untold ingot]

I doubt it would make it worse

It would just formalize what already happens in a way easier for new people to understand

[south lance]

i mean considering how hard it is to find a base spot nobody checks anymore i think its already as bad as it can get

[south lance]

this might be possible

[untold ingot]

I think nerfing fliers and removing cryos would fix this

[south lance]

thats fair, it could

[fallow niche]

This part. Tribes already wipe everyone from "their" servers, bobs included...so I don't quite understand your point here

[untold ingot]

It would up the chance of being able to build up for a few days without enemies being able to muster a force to raid you

[south lance]

but then if politics becomes important i feel like itd just incentivize more larger tribes which can cover more area effectively

so something like smalltribes becomes much more feasible but i dont think something like official would work

[blissful perch]

I am curious if larger maps and travel times allow for more tribes per server or just give more space to the one dominant tribe

[south lance]

well, official already made its own politics

so a formal politics system might just make it cleaner

[south lance]

it would

former i mean

its why new servers always have so many people on them

[fallow niche]

Could go either way. Depends on how nice tribes are.

[south lance]

but this only applies for a while

since travel time in ark isnt actually an issue

[blissful perch]

This just sounds like wipes would be good then

[south lance]

the issue is knowing where to travel

[south lance]

i shouldve specified, i meant new maps like new dlcs

[blissful perch]

Since all I keep hearing is “given enough time all servers become one tribe wastelands”

[south lance]

wipes dont change this dynamic anymore cause everyone and their dog knows everything abotu every map

literally wipes are just a race to see who can get set up in a cave before the 3 day mark which is when everyone is capped out with tek and shit

or well, a good cave

[blissful perch]

It’s insane how many moving parts there are to making PvP work

[south lance]

people are complicated

them remembering things fucks shit up

[blissful perch]

Makes me wonder why wc is so insistent on the game being defined as a PvP game

[south lance]

i think its cause pve would require way more from the game as it is now than is possible

[blissful perch]

I mean they did try procedural arks which would have been more random

[south lance]

ultimately the goal is to make it a survival sandbox

if they went pve route theyd have to make it more story oriented

[south lance]

yeah but that only works for the first 2 weeks an ark is released for

then everyone has someone in their tribe who spent 6 hours ghosting every fucking rathole on a map

[south lance]

this in coincidence with larger maps is probably the only way to prevent singular alphas from dominating servers

[mighty lion]

It's kind of an untenable issue. Part of the fun is the risk of losing everything when you are offline. The idea of a permanence of what you build in the world and that others may destroy it. This also however makes players want to stay on to protect their progress. An app with alerts would allow for a certain disconnection that's not found in ark 1.

[mighty lion]

The larger the map, the more opportunities for smaller tribes to build in locations pff the beaten path. Sometimes you dont notice until you run into them farming ele or other resources .. then its wipe time

[mighty lion]

As cringe as it is, it is a common practice to let smaller tribes build ( albeit in less viable loactions) for the purpose of eventually obsorbing them, if they ask permission to build on server

[fallow niche]

All I hear half the time is "I got wiped for trying to build on a server" so it just doesn't sound like anything would be different

[mighty lion]

Means they tried to hide instead of asking first. That would be free game. If we dont dont know them, it's a potential fob

[fallow niche]

That was the whole point though

It already happens on ark1, it would still happen on ark2 with BadaBing's point

[mighty lion]

I apologize I didnt read that far

[fallow niche]

You good

[stray elm]

[cyan bolt]

If any of the developers see this please take your time when making ark 2 even if you have to push the release date another year we can wait we want a perfect without glitches ark cuz the main reason that make the popularity of the game decreasing is because of the glitches overall ark was a fun experience to me thanks for developing such a great game

[stray elm]

Speak for yourself.
I ain't a patient man.

[stray elm]

Also, the game is coming out in Early-Access. So they'll have a long time to test bugs with their playerbase.

[cyan bolt]

Yup that's good

[stray elm]

So the game is coming out next year.
But a full release isn't probably till 2025-2027-ish.

[gritty drum]

Bru

[lime forge]

Breh

[gritty drum]

Eh?

[crystal helm]

I

[gritty drum]

O

[tropic crag]

I have a feeling this may be a thing, of sorts. Seeing as how there will be humans lore-wise not willing to give up on tek, and those who do and follow Santiago's teachings about the ways it can go wrong

[blissful latch]

yooo wssup

[winged pagoda]

The faction thing sounds ok.. but doesn't make much sense for pve.. maybe for a modded pvp server.

I do hope we get more dinos or at least some reskinned new dinos that perform the same function so we have multiple choices instead of rexes for boss fights.

[stray elm]

You'd assume it'd be the same in PvE

[tropic crag]

Yeah, obviously no infighting between the tribes in PvE, but that doesn't mean you'd have to split the player base to add faction stuff. You can have competitive events to further the faction gameplay without it being simply "kill these members of these tribes", like the races and such on Genesis 1&2, or any of the missions there for that matter. Add a leaderboard and a reason to work towards a better score (you get a rare weapon part from the faction, maybe? For like the top ten perhaps) and it's competitive without straight raids and PvP

(But maybe also implement the tribe war system from Ark 1, it was far underutilized, mostly because of it's weird undescribed functions, and I'd like to see it be given a once over and another chance, tbh.)

[mighty lion]

How would this be different from reworking the alliance system and adding a tangible benefit tor alliance success? ( some othe games have conquests the alliance can take part in and gives all players bonuses for the alliance that wins)

[tropic crag]

Because the factions would not be player made, the ones I believe they mean are more akin to say the factions in For Honor, or ESO. They are set in stone and joinable, and you can switch sides at any time (usually with a cooldown/monetary cost) and you can have little guilds or alliances/play with members of the other factions as much or little as you wish

Another good analogy would be WoW; Alliance vs Horde

[lavish rain]

Great now we have tek npcs now

I'd rather not have a animals abducted by an npc tek tribe hover skiff

Especially if I can't get tek either

[lavish rain]

Well am I wrong

@tropic crag don't you dare me

[lavish rain]

This implies tek tribe npcs

[lime forge]

That would be kinda awesome

[lavish rain]

No

[mighty lion]

Santiago is teknically amish

[lavish rain]

Enough puns

[lime forge]

Yes it would!

[lavish rain]

If I'm not allowed tek then no

[lime forge]

Imagine running after a UFO with a stick and a rock trying to rescue your poor parasaur. That’s an adventure.

[tropic crag]

...How? Having tek and wanting to have tek are two completely different things mate, didn't say they had tek whatsoever...

You take grasping to a whole 'nother level sometimes, lol

[lime forge]

I could see how that implies they would have Tek.

[tropic crag]

🤦‍♂️

Too mentally exhausted for this, but to make it clear, I did NOT state that this rival tribe has tek, nor does it have to to want to get to a point where they have it, case closed

[lime forge]

What else would a faction of humans not willing to give up Tek mean? If they didn’t have and use Tek there would be no point in even mentioning that they’re not willing to give it up. And no you didn’t state that they had Tek. It was implied*

A rival tribe that doesn’t want to give up Tek, but doesn’t want to get to the point where they have it makes absolutely no sense.

[tropic crag]

You misunderstood completely

[lime forge]

There’s nothing to understand. It doesn’t make sense.

[tropic crag]

And for the smooth ones among us, I have added one word, go ahead and re-read it if you wish

Can't believe I have to spell shit out around here like it's third grade lmao

[lime forge]

I can’t believe you think that makes sense.

[tropic crag]

2 factions

[ionic flare]

This is interesting fr

[tropic crag]

One that wants to get back to the point where they have tek

[mighty lion]

So anyways, what's that giant tek laser looking thing on the back of the bronto in the cave art?

[tropic crag]

The other, following Santiago, who has clearly sworn off tek altogether because it bad

[lime forge]

Yeah. And one of those factions doesn’t want to give up Tek but that same faction also doesn’t want to get to the point where they have it again.

[tropic crag]

How hard is that to understand

You are smooth

In the brain

Gn sir

[mighty lion]

Damn, I havent heard that insult in a long time

[lime forge]

You’re the one missing the blatant contradiction in your 2 comments.

[tropic crag]

You mean... the platform saddle? Uhhhhh

[mighty lion]

Yeah, it has a giant cannon on top

[tropic crag]

It's a guy with a spear in hand and a crack in the cave wall meeting at a weird angle, I promise

The rider has a spear

[lime forge]

Maybe this will help. In this comment you state that they neither have Tek nor have to want to get to the point where they have it.

[lime forge]

In this comment you state that they do in fact want to get back to Tek.

[mighty lion]

Could be, looks like they drew it intentionally vague

[tropic crag]

You need to learn english, then. "I did NOT state that this rival tribe has tek (nor does it have to), to want to get to a point where they have it, case closed" I have revised it since it was too hard to understand

[lime forge]

You should have put that comma in the original comment. It makes far more sense with it.

[tropic crag]

It was in the original one, just not in the same place, because it was meant to be read (and understood) as said

But idgaf anymore so deuces ✌️

[lime forge]

To to without any punctuation to separate them will never make sense. You really shouldn’t insult people for not being able to understand your piss poor typos.

[lavish rain]

Santiago gets assassinated by the pro tek tribe leader

Good ending

[split dove]

santiago continues to be vindiago

bad ending

[lavish rain]

Santiago pulls out a mek he had this entire time and wipes out all of aratai to save meeka

Genecide ending

[split dove]

Santiago uses the eden ring as a meteor

[mighty lion]

I could definetly seem him reuniting with tek in the end to save his daughter

[split dove]

chaotic ending

[lavish rain]

I bet 30$ USD that will happen

Might as well make some money betting on the obvious

[lime forge]

Tek ain’t coming back. I think the new planet is gonna have a means to “purify” element and we’re gonna end up with a new less powerful tier all together.

[vale sluice]

Right, I want everything primitive...🐍

[blissful perch]

Tek ≠ element, and it’s possible we come up with some new way to harness element 🤷‍♂️. Who can say

[vale sluice]

I can imagine enhancing of dinosaurs in some way....

[blissful perch]

That’s the only thing I’m confident it won’t do

Since element + animal = total mess

[vale sluice]

it depends on how it would be done....altering genetics of dinos through elements....

but indeed it is not very expectable...

[blissful perch]

It doesn’t work. We observed the titans and rockwell as examples of forced element + animal not working

Your best bet is slow exposure over time, which isn’t really something you “force” in the context of technology

[winged dome]

What about other Element infused creatures? Like Manas, Velonasaur, Gasbags, Snow Owls, and Gachas? Done properly, it could work

[blissful perch]

To my knowledge they had element exposure passively while being partly protected by the proto arks

[lime forge]

There’s no science behind any of this. It’s all fictional. If the devs decide feeding a parasaur element causes it to mutate into a super parasaur that can fly and shoot fireballs out of its ass then that’s what happens.

[blissful perch]

Ofc, gameplay > lore after all

But they also would have probably done element boosted creatures in ark 1 if they had wanted to do that. It seems like a very easy to think up idea

[winged dome]

Ferrox kinda does that

Minus the fireballs 😂

[blissful perch]

Yea I’d ignore the fireballs thing, that’s just his narrative

It’s true they did add the ferrox which has that behavior. I’m skeptical it’ll go beyond that oddball case but who knows maybe we’ll have element serums by the end of ark 2. There’s a lot of time for a lot of things to change

[winged dome]

I feel like Element is too big of a plot point for it to be left out in Ark2. Tek, sure, but Element has so many possibilities, even in a primitive setting

[blissful perch]

I agree 100% that element is going to be in ark 2

The question is…to what extent and how will we interact with it?

[ripe cedar]

Stab your dino with it maybe they die, maybe they become mutant then die

[winged dome]

Well, wild creatures with no connection to the Arks at all can utilize Element in some fashion. Astrodelphis seem to enjoy it, at least enough to be tamed with it and they're just found in space

[ripe cedar]

Astrodelphis seemed to evolve in areas that had element

So its not just any creature its seemingly one that already existed near element

[winged dome]

What's to say there isn't terrestrial Element? Other creatures could have evolved with Element influence over millennia

[blissful perch]

I mean there’s gonna be in ark 2. That ring looked kinda WRECKED

[winged dome]

I meant before the ring, but yeah definitely after too

[ripe cedar]

Definately element , 2/3 of the ship exploded in close proximity to the celestial body the game is on and the other part literally crashed on it

[blissful perch]

The whole planet looks messed up tho…the trailer image has a background with the land literally torn up into an arch

What if element itself is just shavings off a scarier celestial threat?

[ripe cedar]

I mean we dont know what is caused by element and what is just naturally occuring from it being an alien world

[blissful perch]

Nope, just saying the planet looks kinda like it isn’t normal lol

[winged dome]

Hard to say what is normal when we have a pretty narrow frame of reference

[ripe cedar]

Have you ever seen another habitable planet up close?

[blissful perch]

Physics kinda forbids land looking like it does in that background

[winged dome]

Some places on Earth look pretty alien sometimes 😂

[ripe cedar]

Also its a video game

[blissful perch]

Why yes it is, that’s why I’m eager to see what lore reason is crafted up to explain the weird ass floating islands and ripped up land we were shown

I’m gonna have fun navigating them regardless but from a world building perspective it’s clearly meant to be jarring and alien…perhaps also a signal of something deeply unstable on Arat

[untold ingot]

Physics forbids a loooot of what happens in ark lol

[lavish rain]

Don't take ark to "the whole universe must be saved" I hate that trope with my all

[blissful perch]

Idc about that trope lol, if it’s well executed. We did just do a “omg we have to save the world from ruin” trope in ark 1 after all

[lime forge]

I don’t think mankind has a deep enough grasp of physics for it to forbid anything.

That’s not really an Ark 2 convo though.

[untold ingot]

Uhhh, yeah that's not actually the case jaja

[lime forge]

That really is the case.

[blissful perch]

^it matters to ark 2 because those of us who know basic laws of physics aren’t gonna be able to suspend disbelief at flagrant violations of those laws lol and it’ll ruin immersion

[untold ingot]

Certain things like gravity and how the earth would behave if the moon didn't exist we can pretty easily predict

[lime forge]

Our actual understanding of the universe and how it works is shallow at best.

We don’t even know how or why gravity exists.

[untold ingot]

I don't disagree with that, but that doesn't mean that we don't understand a fair amount of the fundamentals

[blissful perch]

What we don’t understand may be vast, but that stuff is usually understood by the average game design team so little they don’t usually poke at it

[untold ingot]

Depends on who you ask. There are a ton of theories. The only thing we don't get about it, is how it actually relates to the quantum

[blissful perch]

You rarely hear a game design team try to breach our understanding of 0K or what exactly happens at the center of a black hole in such a way that it ticks off physicists

Since when those subjects are breached it tends to be everyone, scientists included, throwing up their hands lol

[lime forge]

It doesn’t matter who you ask.

[untold ingot]

Lol, having studied general relativity for like 4 years in depth, I can pretty confidently say that extinction and arat don't work gravitationally

[blissful perch]

Extinction? You mean the oil area with the weird over hangs?

[untold ingot]

While yes there is a small amount of uncertainty in the theory, that amount is extremely negligible when dealing with planets and only introduces error on a galactic or universal scale

[lime forge]

You really can’t. The best and brightest minds on the planet can give nothing more than guesses.

[blissful perch]

This is like saying “we can’t cure cancer so we don’t know anything about the common cold or about E. Coli”

[untold ingot]

Lol, not true. We can predict the movement of planets basically to centimeters

And it is accurate

[lime forge]

Predicting movement and understanding gravity and its capabilities are not the same thing

[untold ingot]

The same science is used in GPS, if it wasn't extremely accurate GPS wouldn't even work

[blissful perch]

We can functionally make predictions using current physics and astronomy that can be used to accurately constrain something if we choose to (and obviously fantasy does NOT always have to be constrained to real expectations for everything)

[untold ingot]

You use predictions to say what types of solar systems are capable of existing

Like you can believe what you want about science, but physics in specific is extremely good at predictions even if there are some minor issues with the underlying understanding

[lime forge]

It’s not “minor issues with the underlying understanding” it’s a complete lack of knowledge.

[untold ingot]

Not really lol

[lime forge]

Really.

[untold ingot]

I can't change your mind apparently, I would suggest just doing a little more research ☺️

[lime forge]

You’re correct. You cannot make me believe in incorrect information. All we know about gravity is that it works, and it’s related to mass.

[untold ingot]

Energy density, but sure

[lime forge]

Study in depth for 4 years he said lol

[untold ingot]

Mass is a form of energy density

That's the whole e=mc^2 equation lol

[blissful perch]

^yea I’m gonna go ahead and say there may be some Dunning Kruger here

A colloquial understanding of gravity is as google described, but there’s much more going on that we know that isn’t as readily portrayed to the public because it’s either too complicated or too “boring” to be worth mentioning

[stray elm]

This is true for other stuff.
But we 'do' know the basics of stuff like gravity, and how every movie with our moon crashing towards us is actually wrong.

[blissful perch]

cries in the moon getting farther every year

Then again if it didn’t do that we couldn’t exist so I suppose I have to remember that lmao. 6m tidal movement of the LAND is probably not conducive to life

[stray elm]

That also.
But the moon really 'can't' crash into us. Since the gravity of the Earth would tear it apart before it could reach us.

[blissful perch]

Oh now that’s wrong

The moon as a single entity would be torn into pieces but we’d definitely be hard messed up by it lol

Chixilub (the asteroid reported to hit 65mya) was about the size of Mt Everest…much smaller than the whole moon lol

[stray elm]

Sorry.
While it'd be a apocalyptical event, i don't think it'd literally would explode the planet. Since with it being torn apart by the Earth, wouldn't the mass also lessen?

[blissful perch]

It would lessen, but not enough to render the impact anything short of instant apocalypse

[stray elm]

Hang on, can i send you a few videos?

[blissful perch]

Chixilub had the same mass lessening properties applied to it, and while the mass was reduced it also caused what some think was a global firestorm of raining asteroid shards

[stray elm]

These can be bullshit. But just making sure

[blissful perch]

I’m happy to take a look, I’m always down to talk science. For ark 2 purposes I just want things to be plausibly scientifically accurate

If you tell me there’s a secret vent that floats the land above it, sure I’ll pretend that works

[stray elm]

...what?

[blissful perch]

For the floating islands we saw in the trailer

[stray elm]

Ah

[blissful perch]

I just need something that’s plausible. Same is true for ark’s fantasy creatures

[stray elm]

Or, hear me out.
'element'

[blissful perch]

Speculative biology works best when it’s plausible

[blissful perch]

The less I hear element as the sole justification for things the happier I am

[winged dome]

-Wiggles Fingers- Arat has central AC Element vents

[blissful perch]

I think it could in theory be explained, especially if there’s something like a massive termite nest (termites actually invented primitive AC) that funnels air out a central stack, or something similar

[stray elm]

Anyway.
The chances of a Necromorph like race existing is slim, but isn't a complete 0% Causes we do have parasitic funguses in real life. Now, for them to be able to raise the dead, reuse their bones, and possible melt down to form a bigger creature? Well, the first one is possible. Since that's just controlling the already dead hosts body.
The rearranging of bones is......less likely.
And them turning into goop to form a bigger creature is hella unlikely. If not, impossible due to the laws of mass.
So yeah, we do understand the basics of the Universe. We just don't know the extent and limits of most stuff.

[blissful perch]

Conservation of mass is a commonly violated principle for sure (it’s really conservation of energy but since mass = energy it works out)

[stray elm]

Yeah, but Dead-Space is another case of "humanity doesn't know shit"
Since Necromorphs are the natural apex-predators to all living creatures in the galaxy.

Stiiill wished they would've gone for a more creepy, zombie like design for the corrupted creatures in Extinction.

Like what they had in the notes

[blissful perch]

I’m gonna say that’s a lot of suspension of disbelief

Then again, most zombie related concepts work that way to begin with

[stray elm]

Suspension of belief?

[blissful perch]

Sorry, suspension of disbelief

[stray elm]

.....Suspension of disbelief?

[blissful perch]

The idea that I have to suspend my instant “this isn’t possible for so many reasons” reaction to then read the lore

[stray elm]

Ah

[blissful perch]

The core tenants of necromorph biology just don’t adhere to any rational interpretation of biology or physics, but if I suspend that disbelief and read the lore there was a lot that was written that seems kinda fun to believe in

(Once I ignore the obvious red flags that is)

[stray elm]

Interested.
Which red-flags?

[blissful perch]

The first and most obvious one is the presence of faster than light communication that’s required for a distant “moon” to communicate and organize a hive mind of anything

[stray elm]

Oh, right.
Yeah. That's sus.

[blissful perch]

Much like how it makes 0 sense for the genesis ship to “warp”…since you need a stupid amount of energy to accelerate to close to light speeds there’s no reason to stop that often lol

[stray elm]

"Element"

My point i was trying to make to Stpaddy was "while yes, we don't know much about the universe as a whole. And stuff like necromorphs could (in a form) theroetically exist. But we know that the likely hood of that happening is low, since it has to differ on A: How common life is in the universe. B: For a species to take a very, very, very, specific evolution path to reach that point, and to somehow go galactic."

[blissful perch]

Probability is a very tough argument to win

Science is about saying “no” more than saying “yes” for that reason. It’s hard to find every example of everything (the chance of that happening is functionally 0%), but it’s way easier to find one example that says a way of thinking is wrong. The burden of proof in that case always lies on the one saying “this exists” be it a rule, a concept, etc etc.

[stray elm]

Isn't the point of science is to think of a theory, and try to prove or disprove it?

[blissful perch]

Science seeks to explain the world. An experiment seeks to disprove a hypothesis, and if it fails to do so the hypothesis “stands”. If that’s done often enough it can be elevated to theory

[stray elm]

Right

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 science would be “i hypothesize that if I run my rex off a cliff at the floating islands I’ll die” and the experiment would be to do that. If I run my rex off a cliff at the floating islands and it DOES NOT die, the experiment has succeeded in disproving my hypothesis

Science very rarely if ever “proves things right”. It’s designed to be iterative and flexible when new information shows up

[stray elm]

Right

[winged dome]

Depends if you dismount before hitting the ground or not 🤔

[blissful perch]

There ain’t no ground I could see below the floating islands 😂

[stray elm]

So yeah, i was right.
It'd cause a ring like effect.
Sure people will die. But at least the whole planet wont.

[blissful perch]

Oh the planet would definitely be fucked

A rain of massive moon debris would be probably one of the largest if not the largest mass extinction event of all time

[stray elm]

But, at least it wont become just floating meteors in space. 👀

[blissful perch]

Oh no the planet would remain a planet

[stray elm]

And so all is good

[blissful perch]

But it would likely be lifeless or nearly lifeless

[stray elm]

"Life finds a way"

[blissful perch]

Life has to live to find a way

If the planet’s atmosphere is hot enough to vaporize all the water for example that’s gg

[stray elm]

[blissful perch]

Life is pretty amazing, and mass extinction generates wonderful diversity after…but only to a point. Perhaps in ark 2 we will see such a thing in action as earth life holds Arat life hostage (since the botanical extinction looks ROUGH given we’ve seen almost exclusively earth flora)

[winged dome]

Curve ball
Arat plants are actually native and space-faring, they invaded Earth's early ecosystems and caused their own mass extinction event to take over

[blissful perch]

Earth did have a mass extinction caused by algae

[blissful perch]

If this was true there’d be millions and millions of years of divergent evolution separating our plants from Arat’s that could lead to some very wild differences

Our earliest plants were mosses…flowering plants didn’t occur until near the end of the age of dinosaurs. Who knows what Arat would have been up to

[lavish rain]

Life will end but there is no end to time

Aight so yall know how WC snock cigarettes into the game with prime plus? Why not cigars in ark 2

[blissful perch]

How about neither because I hate smoking?

[stray elm]

You're right.
We need weed.

[lavish rain]

Just don't question the fact that thus is in a component based crafting game

[lavish rain]

'I' need weed

[stray elm]

That.....doesn't mean shit.

[lavish rain]

Component based crafting cigars

[golden oasis]

Bro for ark 2 they should listen to the community about what was bad about ark 1 and just add in new gameplay and Dino’s so we can explore more but don’t change the idea of the game. Because from a server owners prospective the best part of the game is meeting new people and making new friends and just having fun

[stray elm]

You.....do know regular crafting is still going to be in the game, right?

[blissful perch]

Sounds like ark 2 can do just that!

[lavish rain]

[stray elm]

That's basically what ARK-2 is doing

[lavish rain]

I know what I'm smoking, and I do it because of what I'm smoking

[blissful perch]

That’s fine, I just personally hate it 👌🏼

[lavish rain]

Anyways

[stray elm]

As long as you have developed brain. Weed isn't bad for you. (as long as you don't gain too much dopamine from it and get addicted.)

[golden oasis]

@stray elm what do you think of Vital as a name for a 2x ark server?

[stray elm]

ARK is already 2x

[golden oasis]

I mean like 2x if the normal vanilla stays

[stray elm]

You mean 3x or 4x?

[golden oasis]

So 4

[stray elm]

Like, i don't really care for the names personally. Since i stopped with official servers awhile ago, since playing on them is a hassle.

[lavish rain]

Tek within 3 weeks or you ain't shit

And that's PVE

[lavish rain]

Fr

They are hyping up this component craftingtoo much

[blissful perch]

No, we’re hyping it too much

[lavish rain]

Bruh

[clear venture]

Will ark 2 be available on playstation 4 ?

[blissful perch]

Almost certainly not

And for won’t be available for any PlayStation at launch

[stray elm]

They've said nothing other then what they said in the description.
That's hyping it up too much?

[lavish rain]

'Yes'

[stray elm]

Think that alcohol is rotting your brain.

[lavish rain]

It is

[lavish rain]

@stray elm you said somthing about conventional crafting

[lavish rain]

Wdym

[mighty lion]

Regionally unique resources is cool, hoping they dont just mean " the mountains have metal"

[blissful perch]

I think atlas has different woods and such, so I think ark 2 would take a similar approach

[lavish rain]

"Beach wood"
"Jungle wood"
"Forest wood"
"Hardened twig"
"Mountain wood"
"Fiber wood"
"Logs"
"Slightly charred wood"
"River wood"
"Arctic wood"
"Desert wood"
"Space wood"
"Corrupted wood"
"Fungal wood"
"Swamp wood"
"Damp wood"
That's my take on regional based rescorces +component crafting

All practically the same thing, but slightly different use

[blissful perch]

I'm expecting "general wood" "special biome wood ABC, etc" and "rare wood ABC, etc"

[untold ingot]

If there are 30 different types of wood, and people have to farm lots of all of them in order to do things, it'll get old fast lol, like the old kibble system jaja

[tribal bane]

ark is the best

[untold ingot]

I agree with that sentiment, ark is the best

[blissful perch]

Yea I suspect it'll be something like 3-4 "impactful" woods and a few that might be reskins of each other for building/cosmetic purposes

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I don't mind lots of different types of resources, but wood is kind of an important one, so I would greatly prefer that it remain simple 😂

[blissful perch]

It’ll probably be the same for stone

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I think more than 3-4 different varieties of base materials is a bit excessive

[split dove]

it is when they're all shared recipes that can use every variant of wood, some recipes that require specific woods could be possible

[blissful perch]

disagree: common crafting is a good thing for many reasons

if there's 10 types of wood, they should all be usable for most crafting (again outside cosmetic reasons)

[split dove]

i agree, the only real difference for most varieties should mainly be cosmetic

[blissful perch]

I misread your message then, my B

[winged dome]

I kinda like the idea of Atlas's crafting, where better blueprints require more of different types of materials, not necessarily oodles of one kind. IE 50 Hardwood, 50 Softwood, 50 Ironwood, instead of 150 'wood'

But outside of specific recipes, what kinds of wood you use doesn't matter

[split dove]

just like in ark 1 with fungal wood = normal wood and silicate = pearls

[winged dome]

Yeah, sorta

[blissful perch]

this system works a lot better for many reasons, namely because it cuts down on the worst kind of grind: quantity grind

[winged dome]

And encourages exploration while also discouraging tribes locking down key resources

[blissful perch]

that last part depends a lot on where those resources spawn and how they're gathered

[winged dome]

True. I expect probably the 'most efficient' gathering spots will be contested, but not as bad as Ark1

[blissful perch]

In ark 1 on Fjordur on release there was one element shard point and it got capped lol

[untold ingot]

I just don't want to see blueprints lol

[split dove]

Seeing as we will get component based crafting I hope that rarer resources can take the place of item tiers like ramschakle or Mastercraft and make blueprints a thing of the past

[untold ingot]

That's what I am hoping too

Instead of just mass farming the same spot for the same 3 resources to make 7472648 capped kits, it would be nice to have to do more travel and more things to get resources capable of making good kits

[mighty lion]

I think needing different wood/ metal for higher tier weapons would be interesting. Or of different combinations have different effects on damage, etc.

[mighty lion]

What about Player made blue prints, where the skill tree has an effect on things ?

[hazy elm]

What if Ark 2 is all just one big PVE mission with Vin Diesel

[short fulcrum]

I sure hope not

[hazy elm]

But what if it is tho

[short fulcrum]

No

It can't be
It won't be

[minor prism]

No ascendant rocket launcher bp back in action for ark 2 then nah 😂

[untold ingot]

There might be a single player story set with that, the notes seem to indicate that, but the whole game won't be a single player mission lol

[stray elm]

I doubt there's going to be single-player player specific missions.
A lot of people play online, so it'd hardlock a lot of players from accessing these features if they're on a server.

Think if anything, it's going to be akin to Genesis-2, where you can do the missions by yourself or with other players.

[ocean tendon]

ark 2 better not be atlas 2

[knotty ruin]

Add A arabian map and please add 1 more smithy table which is for tranqs

[prisma pier]

It be cool to integrate atlas into ark

The claim system where you have to defend your territory for 6/8 hours. Those who didn't play atlas might remember Conan.

Ship and Dino PvP would be fun integrated together

If your bringing in primitive defences wildcard just remember people actually have real life's. Sometimes you forget that in ark 1..... Don't expect everyone to be on 24/7 to stay alive.

Tribes have to hold critical areas of map to obtain certain resources or tame food etc. Think outside the box. A bunch of connected servers like atlas might work.

[near grove]

Does anyone know if tribes will work the same way?

[wispy sierra]

why did you react to yourself?

[mighty lion]

We know there will be tribes, but that's about it

[past wind]

But not just that. I like the way they have built the clusters of servers. You don’t have to go to any specific place or any structure to change to other “servers”. You have to travel there.

I hope to see that same system on ark 2

[rare berry]

Is there going to be pvp on gen2?

[stray elm]

Yeah, no thanks.

If i recall right, even though you do load, those areas still exist within the engine.
Making performance pretty bad.

[mighty lion]

I dont think thats the case 100% of the time, wouldnt make sense

[worldly garden]

Assuming you mean ARK 2 then yes there will be pvp.

[normal spade]

will it acutally be stuck in 3rd cause thats what i heard

[normal spade]

3rd person*

[fiery wedge]

Yes

Unfortunately

[knotty ruin]

cuz so can devs see it

[untold totem]

They don't

[wispy sierra]

uhh if you'e posting an idea in a discord server, there's pretty much no chance of a dev even seeing it as the messages get buried really quickly

[tropic crag]

The devs read these channels, but emoji reacting to your own post isn't going to do jack squat to make them look at it lol

[rare berry]

If ark 2 isn’t good I swear there is gonna be a problem

[elfin python]

There isn’t any gameplay out or anything like that yet right? I googled and didn’t find anything.

[split dove]

no gameplay yet, there will be some down the road

[blissful perch]

All the official information sans a few key tweets is in the pins of this chat

[mortal kestrel]

kek imagine being so lame you have to react to your own post

[wispy sierra]

i know, right?

[haughty bough]

Is ark2 always going to be 3rd person even on dinos or what?

[wispy sierra]

yes

[haughty bough]

Ok

Is ark 1 still gonna have servers up or will they remove like officials to have them on ark 2 instead

[wispy sierra]

no word on that yet, but i would assume support would end after a while

it is a 7 year old game after all

[haughty bough]

True

[ripe cedar]

Support will end when people stop playing it probably, but i guess they could just have a death date as well who knows

[craggy dawn]

Ppffft yeah imagine that

[mortal kestrel]

you are both diagnosed with lame

begone

(jk pls dont)

[split dove]

Who would ever do that

[wispy sierra]

it's so annoying when people do that smh

[split dove]

i know, those people are the worst

[stray elm]

[mighty lion]

99 days until extra life

[radiant gorge]

I doubt they'll remove the servers ark 1 is still big and enjoyed by alot of people (me included) they may 1.Still have some people work on the game like how dying light 2 is out but they still make updates for DL1 or 2.They will leave the game alone keep the servers up but stop updates and stuff

[haughty bough]

I was just worries they may end up like blizzard and just force people to get ark2 like they r doing for overwatch2

[mighty lion]

Purportedly no more events for ark 1, no more dlc, and eventual disconnection from online services. If they told me ark 1 would be supported forever, I would keep playing, but that's not realistic.

[split dove]

it'd be too good to be true

[blissful perch]

It’s known ark 1 events end after this year if the community crunch statements are to be treated as official lol

[fallow niche]

The community crunches are official though

[blissful perch]

Not to everyone, given how some folks dismiss what is said in them 😂

[fallow niche]

Smh imagine thinking official accounts aren't official

[winged dome]

Info has changed over time. I remember the devs swearing up and down that Scorched Earth will never get Ascension/ending cinematics - but it's in the works for the Switch updates

[blissful perch]

Right but that’s called “an update”

The current information can be “this won’t happen” and that can change sometimes 🤷‍♂️

[untold ingot]

If I understand correctly, the switch is basically just now starting to get dlc, it would make sense for them to add new things to it

[cerulean tartan]

When does ark 2 comes out?

[untold ingot]

The current announcement is for sometime in 2023

[cerulean tartan]

Like end or

[untold ingot]

You can see more info in the pins, or on the steam page

[cerulean tartan]

Oké thx for help

[bronze hearth]

will have pvp in ark2?

[untold ingot]

All the info we have is in the pins

[bronze hearth]

thx

[south lance]

so basically no theres no pvp we will only be playing as little girl and run from orc

sorry to say

[untold totem]

unofficial servers exists, ARK 1 will never be "gone" only the official servers are

[hushed barn]

I just hope it's an optimized game

Ark already destroys my graphics card lol

[winged dome]

Hinted at early half, but not a guarantee

[trim quest]

Ok so this is kind of a question for the devs I probably won’t get an answer but I’ll try and ask anyway. Will there be ocean environments in Ark 2 or will it mostly be land based gameplay?

[blissful perch]

you asked two distinct questions...since oceans aren't central to ark 1 and I assume won't be central to ark 2

[split dove]

Deep oceans would only work with tames that provide you oxygen, seeing as we're going back to primitive I'd expect lakes and rivers to fill the water part

[blissful perch]

I could easily see reefs too

[devout cape]

all i know is ai can't wait to explore ark 2 and re-learn the game

so glad i'll have it free through gamepass

[split dove]

We wil most likely get our first
Big look game play wise at extra life

[blissful perch]

I'm too old fashioned for gamepass

I want to own my games and play them as rarely as I want lol

[split dove]

I'd rather just buy the game and not pay monthly like battle passes

[blissful perch]

monthly fees make me so angry lol...I'll only do them if absolutely needed and if it's the only way to get something

[devout cape]

i own some games and get to try things i wouldn't normally buy

i have it with xbox gold which gives me access to online play

[blissful perch]

yeah paying for online still feels like a scam to me

[devout cape]

anyways, still excited to give ark 2 a whirl

[blissful perch]

I'm so glad PC hasn't had to deal with that yet

Ark 2 will be a good game, the question is what will hold it back and what will really shine

[split dove]

A bit hard to draw those conclusions rn when we don't have any real game play yet

[devout cape]

you do you for sure, would love to see it cross platforms with steam, xbox and others but i know that is a hefty goal that i am sure won't happen

yeah no real gameplay yet but excited none the less

love my dinos since i was a little girl

[blissful perch]

same here, it's why I'm confident lol

the game will be good because it's got dinosaurs and survival lol, the question is what gets done to make it even better

[devout cape]

supposedly you can preplan builds and show the "blueprints" to tribemates

i would like to see that tbh

i'll play ark 2 despite the bugs, cuz i know there is a tone of complex coding involved and they'll need player support to help tweak things

[tropic crag]

Crossplay is confirmed, so that will be happening, actually 😅

[devout cape]

oh sweet

that'll be cool

and hectic all in one XD

[tropic crag]

(At least, how it is now, not necessarily like PS + Xbox + Steam)

[devout cape]

(yeah sadly, i think the rivalry between the two companies won't allow ps/xbox compatability)

[fallow niche]

We dont even have confirmation that it will be on PS, at least not officially or in the pins. The cross-platform mods though at least make it sound like steam, epic, win10, and xbox will be.

[devout cape]

practically twitching with anticipation to try the game though haha

[hazy elm]

We better see some new Ark 2 gameplay this fall Wildcard or it'll be a huge bummer man

[devout cape]

true but i am sure they're working hard on it

[mint swan]

Will it be first person still or just 3rd person

[fallow niche]

3rd person, info in the pins

[tropic crag]

It's not even that, it's just Sony not liking cross platform and early access games

[devout cape]

there is that as well, they also do not like mods lol

[tropic crag]

Yeah, just look at Skyrim and Fallout 4 for evidence of that...

[cunning talon]

why is it always the anime pfp people

likewise on twitter

must be a correlation

[blissful perch]

as someone who lacks a Twitter...I fear for what's posted over there sometimes for this game lol

[devout cape]

won't let nay sayers ruin my excitement, i'll be the judge of whether i like ark 2 or not

[mighty lion]

They give us a bad name

[tropic crag]

Nope, at the very least crossplay between Win10 and Xbox (as well as Steam to Epic) is confirmed, don't remember where though, a tweet iirc?

[stray elm]

Mine is like a cursed hybrid

It's the pillar-men from JoJo, but the survivors are doing the pose

[twin cave]

this

[twin cave]

at this point, i dont even pay attention to what people say about a series, gonna still grind ark 2 weather they like it or not

[lavish sparrow]

I think the combat will hold it back

If they are describing it as "souls-like" then it's definitely not going to be a good point

It's what's killed a lot of people's interest and hype in ark 2

Souls combat doesn't work in a dinosaur survival game

Especially third person only

If yall want to see a prime example of where this kind of combat failed so heavily look at New World

[lavish sparrow]

Cuz they all 13

They see a game with optimization as bad as GTA5 and Rust that has DLC (Ark) and treat those behind the game like they are a menace

[lime forge]

Combat style specifically isn’t where new world failed. New world failed due to in-game politics and giving players the power to determine who can participate in some of the largest bits of content.

[blissful perch]

Hard disagree since dark souls itself performs excellently as a way to fight large monsters…which in the case of ark 2, could easily take the shape of dinosaurs

I can see gripe about souls PvP perhaps but for PvE at least souls combat should work fine

[devout cape]

agreed, it'll be fun to see how they improve ark. suppose to have more advance dino ai too, at least the wild ones.

[blissful perch]

One tends to assume advancing = improving and thus better

[blissful perch]

I’m very curious about how they handle sound and smell. Can you hide upwind? Is foliage going to act as a hazard if you move through it too fast?

[zenith badger]

i kinda hope they will still be firearms, just bc i realy liked them in ark

[blissful perch]

Really? The hitscan ones or the projectile ones?

Cause imo hitscan in ark 1 only felt good because projectiles felt so bad lol

[zenith badger]

longneck 4l

[blissful perch]

Ok so the tranq (projectile) or the bullet (hitscan)?

[zenith badger]

both

[blissful perch]

Well the projectile feeling could be captured with primitive bows and crossbows

Hitscan imo should probably go anyway lol, even if they do have firearms in ark 2

[devout cape]

will be interesting to see how it works that is for sure

[fiery wedge]

Why would you want a gun in a game that's supposed to be primitive based

[zenith badger]

bc yes

i have conan if i want something primitive

[devout cape]

because he doesn'twant to be a primative lol

[fiery wedge]

Besides if there's no guns then you won't get spun by some 13 year old

[devout cape]

well ark 2 will likely be primative, all "survivors" died out which means technology starts from scratch

[fiery wedge]

Where does it say everyone died and technology has to restart

[zenith badger]

i kinda think the survivor that killed rockwell is alive (us)

in trailer there was tek

[blissful perch]

We’re going off the tweet that WC sent that says “the game is going to be primarily primitive”

There’s nothing in the lore or steam news that’s quite as clear

[fiery wedge]

Yeah but it IS listed as a PvP game.

Only game that's souls combat that is primarily pvp that I can think of is Naraka bladepoint. And that game was actual ass because of the combat. It just doesn't work for pvp and if that's the games main focus then it shouldn't be included at all.

[timid nexus]

They need come out with more information lol

[tropic crag]

Those who follow and understand the PvP side of the Souls games are pretty intense in their dedication to the craft, there's a reason those games have PvP in the first place, to be sure

[next berry]

I am really dreading the souls-like combat

[tropic crag]

As is (not literally) everyone else, apparently

[next berry]

maybe the devs will rework the entire planned out combat system for us

[fiery wedge]

You're funny lol

[lavish rain]

It's WC

[lavish rain]

And thr no tek tweet, with supports the primitive.comment

Instead of tek well get ket, which uses the substance tnemele as it's primary building material

[blissful perch]

Tbh I think an organic tier would be pretty sweet, maybe some alien materials or somethin

[lavish rain]

It could rot

[blissful perch]

I think the raw material rotting could work but I’d scream bloody murder if my helmet rotted

[lavish rain]

That's what I was thinking

Spoiled: ascendant alien hide helmet

[blissful perch]

Organic buildings would be super cool…corals and plants and hides and stuff

[lavish rain]

Coral 🤮

[blissful perch]

Yea I like coral/limestone as a building material

[tropic crag]

Shale!

(everyone yell shale now)

[split dove]

Shale

[blissful perch]

I’d still like a lighter stone like limestone or marble

For building it wound be cool to have a light silver stone, a white, maybe a granite…there’s a lot of cool colors

[split dove]

wasn't there originaly supposed to be a natural type structure set with gen 2 before they scrapped it?

[blissful perch]

I heard that rumor too but idk what happened to it

[lavish sparrow]

my point was mostly about pvp

I personally think souls combat would kill it for me

[blissful perch]

Well that’s fair, but there’s a lot of very good hitscan gun PvP games

[fiery wedge]

?

Nobody said guns?

[blissful perch]

Sorry I thought this was the same guy who wanted gun combat

Would people enjoy ark 1 melee PvP though as how we do ark 2 PvP? It seems insanely spam heavy

[fiery wedge]

Uh, can you reword that? Idk what ur saying.

[blissful perch]

People who say souls PvP is bad seem to want ark 1 PvP back…but ark 1 PvP was mostly hitscan ranged weapons, which idk if they’d be in ark 2

[fiery wedge]

Who's said they want ark 1 pvp? I've just seen that they don't want souls.

[blissful perch]

I guess I’m curious what the alternatives are if it’s not ark 1 or souls

[fiery wedge]

I'd rather have for honor combat over souls tbh

For honor itself wouldn't be so bad if the devs weren't ass

[blissful perch]

Walk me through the difference between for honor and souls? Never played for honor

[fiery wedge]

Directional attacks and you can feint your attacks. Bashes, dodge attacks, deflects, etc.

You have a bigger moveset as well

If you're being attacked my multiple people you're more likely to be able to win than in souls

[blissful perch]

Is it third person?

[fiery wedge]

Yeah

There's also a gauge that fills when you're fighting more than one person by yourself, it fills when you get hit by them or block/parry their attacks. When it's filled you can activate revenge whenever you want and it gives you hyperarmor on everything you do, gives infinite stamina, gives you a shield worth your entire healthbar and increases the damage on everything you do.

Parrying or throwing an enemy also knocks them down

The only issues with the game that make it bad are the balance of some characters, input delay, lag and some attacks being unreactable.

[blissful perch]

Huh, that’s interesting

I think ark 2 could certainly benefit from most of that, although the “revenge” mechanic seems kinda like a bad idea

[fiery wedge]

Yeah revenge is kinda ass cause the way it builds is inconsistent af

And it wouldn't make sense in a survival game

There's also a guard break mechanic where if someone's being a turtle you can guard break(gb) them and they can only respond to it with a counter guard break(cgb) by pressing the same button quickly. They however can't cgb if you gb them during the startup of an attack or during a dodge. This is a good mechanic because if you can read someone trying to dodge or parry an attack it open them up to you getting a free heavy.

The parry button is the heavy attack button in the game because if you feint an attack and someone tries to Parry they'll throw an attack. So if you feint into a guard break then they'll get caught and can't escape it. Then you could either throw them into a wall or hazard or get a free heavy attack.

[hasty stone]

This shit sounding like jump force

[fiery wedge]

Jump force is ass

[hasty stone]

Fax

[tropic crag]

For Honor is ass

[fiery wedge]

Ik

[tropic crag]

Lmao

[fiery wedge]

But the idea of it isn't

The execution however

[hasty stone]

Yea fax

[mortal kestrel]

tbh I think ArkII will be fine as long as we have combos that are either aoe or multitargeted

[fiery wedge]

Speaking of for honor they released a new character 2 says ago. Surprisingly, it's not a broken character on release considering it's Ubisoft. It's actually a horrible character that's only a few changes away from being a great character.

[mortal kestrel]

if I feel like squaring up with a rex and slapping it to death, I should be able to slap that rex to the seventh layer of hell if I am skilled enough

[fiery wedge]

Go play monster hunter then lol

[mortal kestrel]

skill should be rewarded heavily in arkII imo

Im not saying I should be able to just throw some that and stones together and be able to kill a rex, but I do feel like if I have at least a weapon made with some form of metal, and maybe some decent armor (assuming I even get hit) then I should be able to square up with a rex if I spend enough time learning its movement and attack patterns

[mortal kestrel]

jokes on you I do play monster hunter

[fiery wedge]

I know you ig main

[magic wasp]

hell nah hopefully it doesn’t put like your camera in a certain perspective when you fighting

[fiery wedge]

They should make doing that extremely difficult with melee imo. Being able to just monster hunter a dino would take away from the experience. Using your own dino to kill another or using bows is what it should be for large enemies imo.

[magic wasp]

will it be like that???

[fiery wedge]

The cameras always in third

[magic wasp]

ik but i mean a type of thing where it locks on your enemy

[mortal kestrel]

I agree it should be difficult... like I said, skill should be rewarded

Im not trying to say I should be able to roll my face on my keyboard and be able to kill a dino

[fiery wedge]

Locking on would probably be optional lol

[magic wasp]

oh alr

wonder how bases in pvp will work now since its gonna be primitive

plant species turrets??

[fiery wedge]

Skill should also have its limits

[fiery wedge]

Probably

[mortal kestrel]

but you say "monster hunter a dino" like thats particularly easy to do either

considering most monsters have 30-40k hp, and the bigger ones can have over 60k hp, and your average dps output in the game for the lighter weapons is around 300 damage

[fiery wedge]

Only monster with 60k hp is Fatalis lol

And you can kill him in 15 minutes

[mortal kestrel]

actually no, shara ishvalda and xenojiva also have around 60k

[fiery wedge]

Xenojiiva is a high rank monster lmao

And safi only has 40k

[mortal kestrel]

I meant arch tempered xeno, my bad

[fiery wedge]

Shara only has 37k hp

[mortal kestrel]

anyway, killing fatalis in 15 minutes takes a very specific build and you have to do everything right

I doubt most the community can kill fatalis in 15 minutes, much less you

[fiery wedge]

I literally wake up every morning and kill him at least twice for fun lol

[mortal kestrel]

yeah and my dad is the ceo of wildcard

[fiery wedge]

Skill issue?

[mortal kestrel]

more like pressing X for doubt

[fiery wedge]

Fatalis is easy af when you know his moveset lol

It's not hard to bait cones and all his moves on all fours are easy to avoid

[mortal kestrel]

anyway, I doubt a wild rex will have 60k hp in arkII, and player based dps for arkII is very likely to be higher than arkI

so I see being able to "monster hunter a dino" as you so eloquently put it, as quite possible tbh

[fiery wedge]

Wouldn't be much of a survival game then would it?

[mortal kestrel]

yeah it would

it just means you arent completely helpless without a tame, assuming you've got yourself some decent gear

[fiery wedge]

Yeah and ark on gen 2 is a survival game too right?

[mortal kestrel]

yes, its no less of a survival game than the rest of ark, despite how easy it is

but comparing gen2 to arkII just isnt right

imo the main reason why gen2 is so easy is because all the resources on the map are clustered together, and you can fly for free with the tek suit

which has nothing to do with being able to 1v1 a rex with some decent gear and a good reaction time with your dodge roll

[fiery wedge]

It is less of a survival experience though. Because it's too easy. You're not "surviving" you're doing whatever you want with little to no threat or difficulty.

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, but taking a good bit to 1v1 a rex is hardly doing what you want

[fiery wedge]

If you can kill a rex you can kill just about anything else as well easily.

[mortal kestrel]

Im not saying "hey I sneezed on this rex and it kinda died" Im saying I took it on, dodged through its attacks while taking little to no damage, and killed it

[mortal kestrel]

yeah but Im not saying Im easily killing a rex

Im just saying its likely something you could do if you put your mind to it

thats a far cry from sneezing on it and killing it

[fiery wedge]

If it's even possible then people will do it enough for it to become easy

[mortal kestrel]

arkII has a dodge roll, its going to happen regardless bird

[fiery wedge]

Not necessarily but ok

They could make large dinos very resistant to player melee because of "thick hide" or whatever