lore-nerdz

[bronze turtle]

Atleast eons after the arks launched

Just like the tek war was 100 years
“A century of open tek warfare “

[forest rose]

eons is a bit long

[gusty turret]

Mark MAY have intended eons but i honestly doubt it

[dim palm]

earth wouldve been engulfed by the sun by that point

[bronze turtle]

They state in genesis description eon spaning story

[dim palm]

hundreds of thousands of years tho? millions even? possible

[dim palm]

omg youre right

[stable gate]

Idk if its eons but the reason i think it is is because the genesis description says eons spanning story

[forest rose]

Yeah

one billion years bruh'

[bronze turtle]

Eon is a billion years sun will expand in around 4-5 billion

[dim palm]

oh. then yeah eons is fine

[forest rose]

Eon is also used as a relative term, relating to a long time rather than specifically billion years

[dim palm]

i mean most time units are

[bronze turtle]

No that’s not true a eon is a measurement of time for a billion

[dim palm]

"its been decades since ive seen you!"

[forest rose]

It's used as a scientific measuring scale as well as a term for a long period of time

[gusty turret]

What exactly does the description say? Can you copy paste it?

[bronze turtle]

Yeah a billion years I know science

[forest rose]

The description of eon spanning story could be to describe how long its been (thousands of years perhaps) instead of a billion years

[bronze turtle]

Yeah I can

[forest rose]

Not saying you don't lol

[gusty turret]

It could also be relating to the distance the ship has warped through space imo

[forest rose]

Indeed, which is why I think its used as a term for a long time rather than a billion years

[stable gate]

Perhaps

[forest rose]

Complete possibillity, regarding light years

[gusty turret]

As far as i remember we aren't even in the milky way anymore

[bronze turtle]

I sent dm image of it

[bronze turtle]

Probably across the cosmos

[forest rose]

A billion light years is a possibility

[bronze turtle]

Also we are probably 100 years after Helena and them based on what Rockwell says

[gusty turret]

Time also shifts when travelling through space so it's hard saying what they mean really

[bronze turtle]

“It’s been ages since I’ve seen one of you “
A age is around 100 years

[gusty turret]

Yeah thats why the ruins are inconsistent and can't really be taken as a guideline

Roman architecture basically completely gone in a few hundred years maybe???

[forest rose]

Why you cannot take time measuring scales from descriptions like the genesis one

[bronze turtle]

Also they use tek to teleport who knows what that does lmao

[gusty turret]

Roman architecture irl is still like perfect condition no way the ark ruins look like that

[dim palm]

tek stuff in aberration seems pretty old to only be 100 years

[bronze turtle]

No I’m saying eons after the tek war started and stuff Helena and then where maybe around 100 years before us

[forest rose]

I still doubt eons

[stable gate]

I know this is off topic but do we have any info on the past survivors on aberration like the ones who built the orange tek

[forest rose]

I really doubt a billion years has passed

[dim palm]

tek stuff in ab is pretty bad condition for only 100 years

[bronze turtle]

Why look at the state of earth

[forest rose]

Evolution ever considered? If the arks lasted for an eon, I would be extremely suprised

The state of earth was caused in a hundred years, not a billion

[bronze turtle]

I’m saying atleast rockwell says “ages” could be many 100 of years

[gusty turret]

The stuff on Earth has also been under direct sunlight for god knows how long its gonna look rough

[bronze turtle]

It would also make sense on why the arks are breaking down they have been in space for a LONG time

[gusty turret]

Im not familiar with the grad student stuff but i assume thatd be him talking about the grad students and idk how long they are after the tek tribe

[bronze turtle]

Dang I didn’t even think of that

[lyric tendon]

no it's more like the writing is inconsistent

the dossiers for the creature votes didn't match to the Island's note (none of it mentioned Tek in name), it is based on what they want to implement on a creature therefore, not canon

[bronze turtle]

Your late to the show bud

[lyric tendon]

and

[bronze turtle]

Anyways… they do state that the tek tribe where “long gone”

So maybe even more time since Helena and then maybe around 500-1,000 ? Just a thought

[gusty turret]

Maybe

The world would be so much better if Fries would give us a rough timeline for his canon

[bronze turtle]

Yeah

[stable gate]

RIP for helenas left buttcheek 😔🪦💀

[bronze turtle]

R.I.P

[gusty turret]

I think Meis left buttcheek is canon though

[stable gate]

Oh

[bronze turtle]

Both are in the notes ab

[gusty turret]

Doesn't Helena draw her like extra thick

[stable gate]

I think so

[forest rose]

bruh lol

[bronze turtle]

Mei is canonically thicc

[gusty turret]

Helena definitely had a little crush

[stable gate]

Totally

[forest rose]

I dont think Nerva ever had an island crush. Bro was there to conquer

or even Rockwell

[bronze turtle]

He was on a mission

[forest rose]

Indeed

[gusty turret]

Nerva was a roman he definitely had some little twinks

[stable gate]

Nerva was looksmaxxing

[bronze turtle]

Let’s be honest what was Rockwell doing with his assistant I’m just saying

[forest rose]

Forgot about his assistant

[stable gate]

Rockwell probably mogged her

[bronze turtle]

And then bro straight up abandons her on island lmao

[forest rose]

"Peace"

[bronze turtle]

Think about it she tell him to go into the cave he finds the artifact and becomes obsessed…
His assistant caused him to become a monster lmao

[gusty turret]

I think its Helenas fault

[forest rose]

I think life would be great if nerva won

[gusty turret]

No reason in particular, shes just easy to blame things on because shes dumb and annoying

[gusty turret]

There was no situation where he won unless everything happened fundamentally differently

[forest rose]

[bronze turtle]

This man likes nerva a little to much

[forest rose]

General is a "fun" chat, though lore-nerdz is where its at

[bronze turtle]

FACTS

[stable gate]

Get Mogged by Nerva 📸📸

[gusty turret]

His entire army defeated, his cities being raided and destroyed, an army on the way to the heart of the Legions territory

[forest rose]

[bronze turtle]

ayo?

[gusty turret]

He was all but defeated already even before being killed

[forest rose]

He beat the overseer, all that matters

[bronze turtle]

Facts bro was banking on the obs being weapons

[forest rose]

Though his entire army was dead by the overseer

[gusty turret]

He didn't do anything really his men did all the work he cowered in the back

[forest rose]

His story is quite interesting

[bronze turtle]

And the gods left him lmao

[forest rose]

I wish it didn't end with The Island

[stable gate]

How would you think Gordan Ramsay would rate Nerva on being cooked on aberration

[forest rose]

He believed in the wrong gods 😔

[stable gate]

He was well done

[gusty turret]

Mot enough lamb sauce

[bronze turtle]

Technically his corpse lands on ab

[forest rose]

Too crispy

[forest rose]

True though

He was on Aberration in spirit

[bronze turtle]

In a sense he was the friends we made along the way

[stable gate]

🙏🙏

[forest rose]

Did Nerva give Mei Yin the courage needed to reach the overseer?

[bronze turtle]

She wanted to kill his ass

[stable gate]

[forest rose]

exactly

[forest rose]

[stable gate]

[bronze turtle]

Cockwell?

[gusty turret]

Thats not how i would put it

[forest rose]

What the burning phoenix guards probably called him

[gusty turret]

She was pissed more than courageous

Same with why she went after Rockwell

[bronze turtle]

Nah they all dead even da baby

[gusty turret]

It was just rage and stupidity

[forest rose]

I meant when he was in jail

[bronze turtle]

And we get the lore accurate depiction of the cake lmao

[forest rose]

"Rockwell? More like Cockwell" - Seems like the type of things burning phoenix guards would say

[stable gate]

Cockuswellus

[bronze turtle]

Either way all that matters is da baby is dead

[forest rose]

damn

[gusty turret]

Cockwell? More like... More like uhhh more more more like uhmmm

[stable gate]

It was prob ice age baby

[forest rose]

Rockwell has no social skills

[gusty turret]

More like Rockwell, gottem

[forest rose]

He is too nerdy

[bronze turtle]

Wtf ???

[forest rose]

Rockwell is an extremely underrated villain in sci-fi tbf

[gusty turret]

Victorian era men were built different don't doubt him

[bronze turtle]

Rockwell simp ???

Lmao

[stable gate]

[gusty turret]

They ate mummies and locked women indoors for being mentally ill

[forest rose]

Nah, nerva

[bronze turtle]

Bro Nerva got beat on the island !

[forest rose]

😭

[bronze turtle]

Just imagine his limp corpse ascending lol

[forest rose]

Tbf, Nerva had drip though

[bronze turtle]

True true

[forest rose]

just look at my pfp, bro took the roman outfit to a whole new extreme of drip

[stable gate]

How did a old withering man beat the northern snow cave himself

[gusty turret]

I don't like tas Nerva look, he looks too feral

[forest rose]

L opinion

[bronze turtle]

Yeah he does say he don’t like barbaric

[gusty turret]

He doesn't look refined like you would expect

[forest rose]

Tbf he is from the before christ era

[bronze turtle]

Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense still a cool fit just doesn’t match the character

[forest rose]

I think it does perfectly

[bronze turtle]

He says that he hates the barbaric ways of the island

[forest rose]

It may not look refined, but you got to adapt to an island full of dinosaurs

[gusty turret]

Even in the notes hes very eloquent and refined despite the savagery of the things he does

[forest rose]

I don't see it as barbaric looking armor.

It does look a bit, but I don't mind

[stable gate]

Bruddas got a skull

[gusty turret]

Hes wearing skulls😭😭😭

[bronze turtle]

Idk your letting your love for nerva blind you lmao

[forest rose]

I have no bias trust

[gusty turret]

Damn i guess theres no option but to trust you now

[forest rose]

so true

[bronze turtle]

Mhm look at bros pfp and name lol

Definitely no bias

[forest rose]

no bias whatsoever

[stable gate]

My Source I MADE IT THE **** UP

[bronze turtle]

making the mother of all omelettes jack !

[stable gate]

They messed up Raiden in fortnite just sayin

[forest rose]

I dont play fortnite

[bronze turtle]

Ark is love ark is life

[forest rose]

based

[stable gate]

Ark is love ark is life

[forest rose]

Ark is love, Ark is life

[bronze turtle]

Time to see if I have made true legionnaires, we march at dawn

[tired mantle]

ARK is ARK.

[bronze turtle]

Who dis ?

[stable gate]

Anodda day anodda victory for the ogs

[forest rose]

I baught ark in 2015, will play forever

[gusty turret]

I bought it like a week after Ab came out

[dim palm]

same here brother

[bronze turtle]

I’m logging Gn y’all
I can sleep well knowing Mei is caked canonically… unfortunate about Helena tho 😔

[carmine cedar]

Yes very good, but your facts are slightly off

[bold dove]

Mei is pretty caked.

[carmine cedar]

Tbh idk what caked means

[bold dove]

Being caked up basically means being thick.
Which in one of the notes by Helena on Aberration. Mei Yin has a very apparent detailed area, even though she's wearing tek armor. (which should be the least detailed. As there's no reason why any tek suit should have a detailed behind section)

[carmine cedar]

Ah yes thicc

Yes I agree, as the propagator of this fact

[lyric tendon]

extra padding

[devout helm]

@oblique brook

[oblique brook]

Yeah my guys right here

[shell spear]

Ummm AKCHUALLY

He isn't

[forest rose]

Oh really?

[shell spear]

He's from the Roman conquest of Dacia which were around 100 A.D.

[forest rose]

Interesting

[shell spear]

(seen as he references his fights in Dacia multiple times in his notes) I'm guessing he might've been born around 75-80 AD

[forest rose]

Didn't realize dacia was AD. Thank you!

[shell spear]

Absolutely no problem

[dim palm]

some nice tekgrams we could get from scorched earth in asa would be a tek forge and tek chem bench

[gusty turret]

Literally why on Earth would anyone ever want those

The industrial forge and chem bench already go mach speed itd have to basically just do everything instantly if you wanted it any faster

Basically all of your problems would be fixed by mods, and before you say its not the same, it absolutely is exactly the same you're still playing the game with the content you want it just doesn't involve the devs wasting time on some overpowered bs that nobody has ever asked for before

[dim palm]

"its not the same"

it really isnt.

maybe a tek chem bench would be a bit much, but a tek forge would be really nice

when im smelting tens of thousands of metal ore, it takes ages for it to smelt from an indie forge

[gusty turret]

Then make multiple like every other person??

I don't know any normal base that has less than 5

Usually its closer to 20

As a pvp player who has had to make tens of thousands of bullets/structures a day i have never once had a problem with the existing chem bench or indi forge

[gusty turret]

It literally is

Having a mod that adds content to the game and having the devs add something to the game end up with the same result, except the mod is actually better because then everyone else isn't forced to deal with a broken item theyve never wanted that would make the game easy mode

Some people actually enjoy the grinding aspect and putting their time into something and seeing it pay off instead of having everything done instantly

[bronze turtle]

Not everyone likes mod though… I don’t think we need a forge that smelts faster but I get he says by mods not being the same

[gusty turret]

Theres no reason not to

[bronze turtle]

Mods really don’t give the same feeling that official items do

[gusty turret]

I've never encountered that problem

I play with mods to add things i know have no place in the normal game, thats the point

I added a rocket launcher that shot exploding babies to fallout 4

[bronze turtle]

Most of the time they feel cheep or lazy just a recolour of items already in
They can also break the immersion

[bronze turtle]

And I under stand why you do that but not everyone wants to play like that

[gusty turret]

If they break the immersion it's just a bad mod or that just proves it has no place in the game to begin with

[bronze turtle]

I would argue 80% of the mods break the immersion

[gusty turret]

In which case you can always learn to program and do 3d modeling yourself and make the item you want to make

[forest rose]

I just like dino mods

[gusty turret]

Because most of them are made by like random teenagers probably

[forest rose]

more prehistoric creatures the better

[gusty turret]

Like all the anime girl ones

If they're designed for it they'll fit, like structures plus

[bronze turtle]

Like I said I understand why some people like mod and others don’t I fall on the latter
I have no desire in breaking the game to a point where what the devs do it not important imo

[dim palm]

@gusty turret having mods isn’t vanilla, you just need to accept that some people don’t like mods, and just wanna play the game vanilla

[dim palm]

Agreed, I like playing vanilla. I bate using mods

[stiff loom]

Then why are you complaining about stuff in the game when you can mod it to fix it??

[dim palm]

And just saying having a tek forge would make it to where you wouldn’t need 20 indie forges in your base

[dim palm]

Because I want it to be in the base game? ….because I don’t want to use mods?

What do you not understand about that?

[stiff loom]

Why you’re complaining. You can literally fix it but you won’t

[gusty turret]

Real

It is a self constructed prison

Man i want McDonald's 😔
Walks past McDonald's
I really want McDonalds 😔

[stiff loom]

😂😂

Real

I can respect not wanting to use mods, but then if you want to fix something about the game, don’t complain because you literally can but you won’t

[dim palm]

Man y’all really just don’t understand huh

[dim palm]

If I walked past McDonald’s then that means it was there in the first place

I don’t wanna use mods, and I want the game to have these features in vanilla

Having mods isn’t the same as vanilla

[gusty turret]

But it doesn't, and you refuse to fix it otherwise, so theres no point in complaining

[gusty turret]

You are actively passing up on what you want because its "not the same"

[dim palm]

Wtf? Yes there is? Why should I use a mod to fix it when the game could benefit from it?

[dim palm]

Because it’s not vanilla. Would I be able to use it in official? No.

[gusty turret]

You are the only person I've seen in 6000 hours say the game can benefit from it

[dim palm]

That’s crazy

[gusty turret]

Because most people don't want it in official!!!!!

People don't want overpowered poorly thought out crap, people like grinding

[dim palm]

So you’re saying you’d rather have 20 indie forges instead of 1 or 2 tek forges?

[gusty turret]

Yes

[dim palm]

It’s not even grinding at that point it’s just resource transition

[gusty turret]

Yes that is what grinding is

[stiff loom]

You want to fix something, you can fix something, you choose not to fix something, and you complain about it

[gusty turret]

You get a lot of resources then put them where you want them

[dim palm]

No wtf? It just literally smelts faster? Waiting for shit to smelt isnt grinding

[gusty turret]

Then don't wait go do something else useful

[dim palm]

Blud 💀

[gusty turret]

All of these problems are entirely within your realm to fix you're just mad that most people don't want to play easy mode with tek

[dim palm]

Wtf 💀

Man if you don’t wanna use a tek forge then don’t 💀

Just use your 20 indie forges

[stiff loom]

I get not wanting to use mods, but don’t complain like wildcard is gonna do something about it

[dim palm]

Wtf are you on all I said is that it would be nice to have a tek chem bench and tek forge 💀

[gusty turret]

Either use mods, open a forum post or do literally anything other than complaining in a discord channel that doesn't benefit from it

[stiff loom]

Those are out there, in ✨mods✨

[dim palm]

Literally not complaining

[dim palm]

I don’t want ✨ mods ✨

[gusty turret]

You actively are

[stiff loom]

Then don’t complain

[dim palm]

All I’m saying is that the game would benefit from it but I don’t wanna use mods

Please tell me where I’m complaining

[gusty turret]

I literally just did

You are complaining about metal taking too long to smelt

[dim palm]

I’m just talking about it

I could also make 20 indie forges

[gusty turret]

Then do it

[dim palm]

I’m just talking about it, I’m not complaining, there’s a difference

[gusty turret]

Solve your own problem

[stiff loom]

You are saying you don’t want so many indie forges to smelt metal, is this not complaining?

[dim palm]

Y’all are making shit complicated for no reason 💀

[gusty turret]

We're really not

[dim palm]

Yeah I’m just saying I don’t, I’m not saying “GOD I HATE DOING THIS”

[gusty turret]

We're saying either fix your own problem or take it to somewhere where it belongs

[dim palm]

Blud. 💀

[stiff loom]

Well talking about it in a discord server isn’t going to do shit

[dim palm]

I’m literally not talking shit 💀

[gusty turret]

Unless maybe you catch Dollie in tas channel

[gusty turret]

That simply isn't what the message said

[dim palm]

Oh mb I misread Xd

[dim palm]

I’m allowed to talk about it and give my opinion

[gusty turret]

You are but its in the wrong place so its redundant and annoying

[stiff loom]

Yes… but nobody.. really.. cares

[dim palm]

If you don’t care then just don’t respond

[gusty turret]

Or just use the proper channels and people might not respond in as hostile of a manner

[stiff loom]

I just can’t understand why you care so much about changing the game when you LITERALLY CAN

[dim palm]

You shouldn’t respond in a hostile manner regardless???

[dim palm]

It’s not vanilla

[gusty turret]

Like no offense but i don't wanna read about what tekgrams you want and what "new guardians/overseer" they should be on every time i open the lore channel

[dim palm]

Unfortunate 🤷‍♂️

It’s a lore channel I’m gonna talk about tek and guardians

[gusty turret]

Except you aren't talking about lore you're talking about your problems with the smelting speed and how you want a faster forge

[dim palm]

Bro I’m not making a problem all I said was that it would be nice to have. You’re the one making it an issue

[gusty turret]

Im making an issue with the fact you have a problem with it in the wrong place

[dim palm]

Lore channel, talking about possible new tekgrams

I’m completely allowed to talk about it here

[gusty turret]

Except tekgrams aren't canon

[dim palm]

Yes they are.

[bronze turtle]

Breh

[dim palm]

I swear to god bro

[bronze turtle]

Ain’t no way you said that

[gusty turret]

You literally don't learn Tek from the boss fights what????

[dim palm]

Are you seeing what I’m dealing with?

[dim palm]

Yes you do they’re just tek- engrams

[bronze turtle]

Why do you think like this ?

[dim palm]

Engrams are canon

[gusty turret]

Engrams aren't canon either you just know how to make things or you dont😭😭

[stable gate]

Bro who does this guy think he is

[bronze turtle]

Breh

[dim palm]

Your brain reconnects parts to give you the knowledge to create them

[bronze turtle]

They literally explain engrams in genesis

The engramic matrix

I thought you read the notes

[gusty turret]

Thats simply not what that is

[stable gate]

santiago literally talks about the engramic matrix

[gusty turret]

Thats not true???

[stable gate]

Do your research

[gusty turret]

The engrammatic matrix is what they scan to revive people its basically the equivalent of the soul they copy paste into the body what?????

[dim palm]

Blud

[gusty turret]

Learning how to make things from the magic rock in your ass isn't canon and never has been

[dim palm]

It’s from your brain

Not the rock

[bronze turtle]

What with you and talking about things up the ass kinda weird

[gusty turret]

I mean i do have the gay role so im not sure what you expect

[bronze turtle]

I don’t get how you can even play the game when apparently to you 99% of things aren’t canon to you

[stiff loom]

Maybe bc ✨they’re not✨

[gusty turret]

Engrams are literally the gameplay mechanic for learning things at no point is it implied you learn tekgrams from fighting the bosses

Mei sure didn't learn how to make tek after fighting the gorilla

[stiff loom]

Santiago knows how to make tek stuff because he made weapons in the tek war

That’s why the aberration tribe is the only one in lore that has tek

[gusty turret]

Canonically the only people who know how to make things are the one who did before

[forest rose]

[gusty turret]

Nerva didn't know about guns until modern age people showed them to him

[forest rose]

I'm learning quite a lot from this debate

[bronze turtle]

Nerva ?? You again ?

[dim palm]

He just didn’t unlock the engram yet smh

[gusty turret]

Hes like Beetlejuice he knew i was typing his name

[forest rose]

hi

[gusty turret]

Nerva nerva nerva

[forest rose]

I was summoned

[bronze turtle]

Breh

[forest rose]

like I said though, I'm learning from this debate lol

[gusty turret]

Im actively regressing in knowledge

[dim palm]

One side doesn’t know what they’re talking about, unfortunately

[forest rose]

I always thought tek engrams was canon after boss battles, but then why didn't mei or nerva know about tek weapons?

[gusty turret]

Exactly

[stiff loom]

Mei didn’t know how to make guns either. She didn’t even know what a gun was. She described it as something along the lines of “a stick that spat fire”

[forest rose]

Nerva killed the dragon, yet didn't have tek

[gusty turret]

Tek is canon but you don't magically learn it

[forest rose]

Mei killed the gorilla man, yet never got tek engrams

[dim palm]

Tekgrams are canon

[gusty turret]

You still have to learn how to smith it just like any other kind of metallurgy

[forest rose]

Yes tekgrams are canon, but I don't think you learn them from boss battles in canon

[gusty turret]

They really aren't

What we call engrams is what is considered "learning how to make things normally"

[dim palm]

Wtf are you on engrams are canon

That’s why all flak looks the same etc

[gusty turret]

Unlocking tekgrams from boss fights is purely gameplay

[bronze turtle]

I’m not saying you learn engrams but they are still canon
The engramic matrix is what explains what engrams are in the lore

[stiff loom]

Engrams in general are for gameplay only

Not canon

[dim palm]

Engrams are canon

[gusty turret]

Huh????

[bronze turtle]

People don’t actually have to learn them but “engrams” are canon

[dim palm]

@bold dove

Are engrams canon

[gusty turret]

Please cringewell save me from this hell

[bronze turtle]

Learn your lore then

[gusty turret]

Oh lord who art in wherever spartan is

[forest rose]

[gusty turret]

Hallowed be thy name

[forest rose]

Take my opinion lightly as I am not the most versed in ARK lore

[dim palm]

Engrams are 100% canon

[forest rose]

I think they are canon

[dim palm]

They don’t know what they’re talking about unfortunately

They are

[forest rose]

but maybe how you learn them is different in canon than gameplay

[gusty turret]

In canon you just learn things like a normal human

[forest rose]

like I don't think Nerva would stop his battle cause he leveled up

[stiff loom]

Hence why Mei and Nerva didn’t know about guns

[bronze turtle]

Like I said engrams are canon but they don’t need to go around learning them the engramic matrix explains engrams

[dim palm]

Engrams are canon 🤦‍♂️

[forest rose]

anyhow, Im going to hop on ASA for a bit

I got two level 200+ para's

life is good

[stiff loom]

How many times did Santiago die?

[gusty turret]

Uhhhhh

Tek war, extinction, gen 2

At least 3

[forest rose]

& then he becomes vin diesel

[gusty turret]

Its so ridiculous Helena could revive Diana for ages after she died but the timeframe was way shorter with Santiago and she couldn't reach him

[stiff loom]

Santiago was always my favorite character 😔

[lyric tendon]

no

the whole "Engrammic Matrix" is just a lore reason why they clone people far back in history, not about the "engrams"

mostly people in the lore just make items and blueprints (that is just in ab)

[gusty turret]

As far as the notes go, i can only find engrams only mentioned once and it is in the gen 2 chronicles referring to the memories involving the arks as far as i can tell

Enrgams are memories, you know what you know, you can be artificially given memories, but its obvious that engrams magically appearing isn't a thing and isn't practiced on the arks as the characters have no idea how to make things they didn't know how to make before and only had knowledge relating to their role in their period

[forest rose]

I love vin diesel santiago

sometimes I feel like thats just me though

[gusty turret]

Santiago mentions the engram reconstruction project but that refers to the engrammatic matrix aka the reconstruction of dead peoples brains not magically knowing how to smith things

[bronze turtle]

I’m not saying they magically know how to make things the engram system as in what allows people to be cloned and put on the arks with there memory is canon

[gusty turret]

Yes, but those engrams teaching you how to make a gun or something isn't canon

You either did beforehand or you didn't, the knowledge doesn't manifest

The engram system in game is purely that, just for gameplay

Its why you have the limited points and everything

A singular person could only know so much realistically

If it was canon there would be no limit to what you could learn because it could just be put there

[bronze turtle]

Yes I’m just saying the “engrams” on lore is the part of the brain with memories

In*

[gusty turret]

Defeating bosses doesn't teach you how to make anything either, making tek is absolutely canon, but learning it from defeating the bosses isn't

Rockwell's manticore fight implies theres element in the boss arenas, you could definitely get element, but killing the boss would have no canonical impact on how you could use that element

Mei knows how to use a mek effectively solely because she is an excellent warrior (though meks aren't a tekgram) the skills and talents of the survivors are based on their experiences

Realistically the engram system in game is very generous because most people wouldn't have the knowledge to make half the stuff you get engram points for

If you know how to make something its solely based on your memories, not because you hit a certain threshold and the ark taught it to you

[forest rose]

I got a lore question

[gusty turret]

Shoot

Is it about Helenas right buttcheek

We already debunked the left one

[bronze turtle]

It’s still a sad day for the left one 😔

[stable gate]

Lol

[forest rose]

Is the Island bigger in Canon than in game? Or similair/the same size?

[gusty turret]

I think its safe to say all maps are bigger in canon, but theres not really any numbers provided to say with 100% certainty either way

Extinction at least is supermassive canonically compared to what we play

[dim palm]

I had a lore question dm’d you

[bronze turtle]

I think extinction is the only one larger the rest I don’t see a reason why they would be bigger

[gusty turret]

Well i mean i certainly don't think someone could run on foot across the island in like a day

[forest rose]

I think they are bigger in canon

Makes sense lore wise

[dim palm]

Yeah prob not

[forest rose]

I just snagged two orphaned rex's

I hope they can stay alive

[bronze turtle]

Idk I see no reason why the island would have to be bigger… maybe the ocean could be i don’t think the land mass is bigger though… and in a nerva note we see a image of island being the same

[gusty turret]

It may be the same size but the scale is definitely off

Like I don't think 3ft in canon is 3ft in game

[bronze turtle]

What do you mean? I don’t understand

[forest rose]

I don't think in canon, people should traverse the island in a day, even with creatures

Even with the map of the island in the nerva note, it is entirely possible that its much bigger than what the game shows us

It just makes a lot of sense, especially regarding all the cities & people on the Island

[bronze turtle]

Says who ? Thing is islands come in all sizes and shapes o believe atleast the land mass is cannon ocean maybe not

[forest rose]

The Island is no regular island lol

[bronze turtle]

It basically is ripped out of the ground and sent into space

[forest rose]

Yes, but it's fuctions are different from a regular island

[bronze turtle]

It’s still a island ecosystem

[forest rose]

most islands in our world that function like the ARK are massive

[bronze turtle]

When you go boots on the sand the island is actually very large

[forest rose]

It just seems odd how small the Island is in game compared to the lore

[forest rose]

I can traverse north to south in one day

[bronze turtle]

If you were thrown onto the island you wouldn’t be able to

Taking into the geography

The fact you can’t run constantly like the player can

And weather + creatures

It’s a large ecosystem and can support many people and animals

[forest rose]

Still, how the Island is described with cities, villages, countless factions

The Island seems so small for all that

[bronze turtle]

Have you played official ?

It never says cites also

Cities *

[forest rose]

No, but official poorly reflects lore lol

[forest rose]

Villages, practically the same thing, just different in size

[bronze turtle]

Like I said when putting yourself on the ground island can easily support hundreds of people

[forest rose]

Perhaps

[forest rose]

I don't believe so

[bronze turtle]

And if not the overseer can throw new ones on

[forest rose]

Maybe a hundred at most

the size of the island in game would signifcantly hinder human civilization

[bronze turtle]

That’s not the point of the ark

The overseer hates complacency

[forest rose]

I am well aware

[bronze turtle]

That’s why scorched cities are wiped out

[forest rose]

& we only have schorched earth.

We don't know if the island's overseer is the same

[bronze turtle]

The island can easily support many many people

[forest rose]

As it is described that villages & houses/communities exist throughout the Island

[bronze turtle]

It’s the ark program complacently does nothing for finder beat survivors

[bronze turtle]

And that is possible with the size of island

[gusty turret]

Like when engineers draw a blueprint the drawing is scaled down

[forest rose]

Not with the ingame island lol

[gusty turret]

Like 3 ft:1 inch or something like that

[bronze turtle]

Yes

Yes it can

[gusty turret]

I think the game version of the map is scaled down

[forest rose]

Half of that island is unbuildable due to the wildlife/environment constraints

[forest rose]

I believe it is, for gaming sake

[gusty turret]

Like heavily scaled down

[forest rose]

I believe the canon island is much bigger

Same map, different scaling

[gusty turret]

The island is big but it couldn't have supported the amount of people that the notes makes it sound like it has

[forest rose]

EXACTLY

[gusty turret]

We're talking like at least a few thousand easily

[forest rose]

Maybe even close to ten thousand

plus all the animals need to fit there too

[bronze turtle]

Literally in the game play many tribes can live and thrive on it

Hunans don’t need a large ass area like any animal they adapt over time

[forest rose]

Gameplay poorly reflects lore

That is established many times

[bronze turtle]

Still proves my point

[forest rose]

Not really

[bronze turtle]

Yes

[forest rose]

Official can't hold thousands of players lol

[gusty turret]

In gameplay theres a max of like 70 though

[forest rose]

Maybe a hundred at most

[gusty turret]

And if its capped at 70 the map is packed

[bronze turtle]

120

[forest rose]

It poorly reflects the amount of people living on the island

[bronze turtle]

They don’t need thousands on the ark

[forest rose]

Still thousands short

[bronze turtle]

They never say there is

[gusty turret]

Its heavily implied

[forest rose]

The notes are good evidence thousands live there

All the wars, villages, civilizations

[bronze turtle]

Give me the note line

[forest rose]

Atleast a thousand live on the island

[gusty turret]

Read Nervas notes

[bronze turtle]

We see like 10 tribes

And most are small

[forest rose]

10 civilizations can be quite big

[gusty turret]

All the tribes he enslaved, his army, the tribe that was marching on the capital

[forest rose]

I'm watching a notes video

[forest rose]

It is described he raided a shit ton of villages

plus Mei Yin ran into a lot of unnamed civilizations/convoys

[gusty turret]

He also had a shit ton of villages

[forest rose]

Indeed

The New Legion was practically the Roman Empire

It's fun debating ARK lore lol

@gusty turret How big do you think the Island is in canon?

[bronze turtle]

Humans are like any animal they adapt to the environment… the notes never say there are millions or thousands on the ark… animals that can’t adapt to the environment die including humans… the ark has no reason to support that many humans

[gusty turret]

Its hard to say really

[bronze turtle]

Humans are not supposed to thrive in the ark that is completely against there goal

[gusty turret]

I mean what is it supposed to be like 50km² or something like that?

[bronze turtle]

It only needs to hold a few hundred

And it can

I’ll do the math rn and prove it if not you win ok?

[gusty turret]

^^

I don't remember what the intended measurement is

[forest rose]

About 48 km

including ocean

[gusty turret]

Thats pretty massive

[bronze turtle]

One human needs around 1.5 acres
One square km is 247.105 acres
Times 247.105 acres by 50

12355.25

[forest rose]

Though thats from reddit so take it with a grain of salt

[bronze turtle]

That leaves more then enough room including unliveable land

[gusty turret]

That leaves more than enough room for thousands of people

[bronze turtle]

1000 humans can fit on island easy

[gusty turret]

Yeah so why are we disagreeing

You're just agreeing it could be in the thousands

[bronze turtle]

He is saying island needs to be bigger

[forest rose]

Now I'm finding different measurements bruh

[bronze turtle]

I did the math proving in game island can hold that many

[gusty turret]

In canon its definitely bigger than it is in game but thats just how the scale works out

[forest rose]

Yeah Idk how big the ark map is, the answer of 36 KM of walkable land mass is from reddit

[forest rose]

I think 48 km across could be the canon size, but the game is scaled down so we don't bug out

[bronze turtle]

No

[gusty turret]

Because if you tried to render a 50 km² map you aren't gonna render it and your computer is gonna catch on fire

[bronze turtle]

48 is in game

[forest rose]

That would kill me xbox...

[bronze turtle]

Learn how the game works before assuming this the in game size is 48

The whole map is not rendered constantly

[forest rose]

bruh I know how the game works

[bronze turtle]

That’s why you fall through the ground on maps like ab after logging

[forest rose]

I'm not stupid

[bronze turtle]

The math literally proves the in game island is able to support 1000 humans

[gusty turret]

How long does it take a survivor to walk from one end of the map to the other in ingame time

[forest rose]

a day

Walking along the western shore that is

as there is no swamp to cross

[gusty turret]

Walking like 40km in a day is pretty not realistic if you ask me but im no athlete

[bronze turtle]

dude it’s in game logic

[forest rose]

I don't even know if 48 km is right

Found it on a random ark reddit post

[bronze turtle]

The maps all have in game sizes even in the wiki

And yes I know it’s the wiki but still

It is agreed that island is around 50 km

And the math like I said proves that humans can live in the thousands

[forest rose]

Is it canon that it is 50 km?

Like asking, cause I just keep seeing reddit posts about it

[bronze turtle]

In game

In game island is 50

And I believe in canon it also is based on the math

[gusty turret]

You couldn't put thousands of people in game though, thats what I'm trying to say

They wouldn't fit

[forest rose]

I just don't believe the ingame map would fit thousands of people

[bronze turtle]

Buddy I literally gave you the math proving it !!!

[forest rose]

It's so small

[gusty turret]

You gave the math proving a real world scenario

If 1000 people tried loading into a server they wouldn't fit

[bronze turtle]

We are talking in the lore

[gusty turret]

The gameplay is different than the lore

[bronze turtle]

If thousands can fit on a 50km island

And math proves it can

[forest rose]

That's beene established countless times

[bronze turtle]

Therefore it is possible for the island we play on to be the same as the notes

[forest rose]

Canon & gameplay tend to differ in Ark

[gusty turret]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, just that in terms of gameplay thousands of people couldn't fit on the map

So the map is slightly altered for gameplay purposes

[bronze turtle]

In game play your game would crash

But if the island was real and the same size that many could

[gusty turret]

Yes

I think we all agree in a roundabout way we're just not communicating it properly

[bronze turtle]

Yea I think there are some miss understandings lmao

[forest rose]

I am still uncertain about gameplay scaling being the same as canon

[bronze turtle]

I’m proving the in game island can support thousands of real people proving it’s the canon size

[forest rose]

but oh well

[bronze turtle]

I did the math proving it can be

[forest rose]

ok

[bronze turtle]

If you want I can re send it

[forest rose]

I'm not convinced lol

[gusty turret]

We're not disagreeing

[forest rose]

I am unsure on whats happening now

[gusty turret]

The gameplay size of the map isn't the same size a real 50km² plot of land would be

But if the map were that real size it could fit thousands of people

[forest rose]

It sounds like reaper thinks the game map we play on fits thousands of people

like the actual map

[bronze turtle]

Yes the math proves it can

[gusty turret]

Yeah i thought that at first too but i think we're all agreeing

[bronze turtle]

The in game map size is 50 km

[forest rose]

No, I'm pretty sure he thinks the in game map can fit thousands of people

[bronze turtle]

Every human needs 1.5 acres

[gusty turret]

Reaper please clarify you mean in terms of lore not in terms of gameplay😭

[bronze turtle]

Wait let me cook for a min

Just hold on I’ll re do the math

[forest rose]

Survivors won't stick to 1.5 acres

So your math is flawed

[bronze turtle]

Well no shit they move do you not understand math I’ll explain if you let me type

[gusty turret]

Guys please we're just going in circles

The canonical map size could fit thousands of people but not the gameplay size of the map

We're saying the same thing

[forest rose]

I agree with this statement

gameplay size is not the same as canon

[gusty turret]

Reaper has already agreed

[forest rose]

It sounds like he doesn't but ok

[gusty turret]

In a realistic/storytelling scenario it would fit

But actually in the game it wouldn't

[bronze turtle]

In game island is 50 km
1km = 247.105 acres
Humans need around 1.5 km to live happy

247.105 acres x 50

12355.25 acres on island

More the 1000 can live on island

[forest rose]

If reaper agrees the gameplay size map is too small, then we are in agreeance

[bronze turtle]

No I literally did the damn math proving it can

[gusty turret]

Reaper please just slow down and read

[bronze turtle]

God damn have you graduated?

[gusty turret]

You're too quick to say nuh un

[forest rose]

oh here come the insults

internet is fun

Reaper, I am quite sure we are all agreeing'

[bronze turtle]

I showed the math proving the in game 50 km island can support 1000 of people

It does not need to be larger in the notes

[forest rose]

or I guess we aren't all agreeing

[gusty turret]

Reaper do you disagree that thousands of people couldn't fit on the ingame map, if a thousand people joined a server and tried to build

Thats where the misunderstanding is coming in

I don't think Nerva is disagreeing with the math that if the map were actually that size it could fit thousands

We're just saying a thousand players couldn't fit on the island in game

[forest rose]

If the map was actually 50 km, then yes, thousands can fit

but the ingame size is not 50 km

[bronze turtle]

I’m saying if 1000 people were put on the “real life” island (as we see in game ) they could survive and thrive based on the math I presented

The in game island is 50 km

That is confirmed

[gusty turret]

You're overcomplicating it, I don't need the yes and, just yes or no, could one thousand players fit on the island

[bronze turtle]

Yes based on the math

1000 people could live on that island

[gusty turret]

Not based on the math, based on one thousand players joining the map and trying to build at once

No other details

[bronze turtle]

In game play like crashing ?

[gusty turret]

If one thousand players joined the map would they fit in game, not in lore or in terms of the math

Could the island comfortably seat one thousand people playing

Not in terms of crashing

[bronze turtle]

Yes if the in game island is 50 km which it is

[forest rose]

That is where we disagree

[gusty turret]

You're being obtuse

[forest rose]

1000 players could not fit on the ingame island

[bronze turtle]

Yes the math literally proves it

[forest rose]

stop with the math please

The math doesn't prove anything

[bronze turtle]

Math is the language of the universe and in theory yes it can

[gusty turret]

Ingame, a server that doesn't crash, no math, no size, nothing, if one thousand players were on the island trying to build would they fit?

Reaper just stop and read it

[forest rose]

If one thousand people were playing & building on the same time, one thousand players would not fit on the island

[bronze turtle]

Tell nerva to stop for a min

[gusty turret]

Like if an official server had 1000 slots

[bronze turtle]

I’m reading it

[forest rose]

You can talk to me bruh, don't need a messanger

[bronze turtle]

The size of the island in game like a server CAN support 1000 people based on the math

So yes I do think it can

[gusty turret]

You're being obtuse and ignoring the question

[bronze turtle]

How so I’m saying yes

[forest rose]

no math, no lore, no notes

[bronze turtle]

Yes it can

[forest rose]

COULD 1000 players survive & build on the island?

[bronze turtle]

And my evidence is the math

[gusty turret]

If you joined a server with 999 other people would everyone building and surviving had space

Without the math

Thinking if you actually joined a server

[bronze turtle]

Yes based on the math in practice there would be conflict but it is possible

[gusty turret]

The math doesn't apply in game, you're fighting the wrong battle here

[bronze turtle]

Yes

[gusty turret]

We're talking you and 999 beach bobs

[bronze turtle]

It can

[gusty turret]

I would like to see 1000 players try and play the island at once 😭

[bronze turtle]

And like I said I’m backing my belief by using the math proving it’s possible in theory

[gusty turret]

In a real world scenario in possible

[forest rose]

It can fit like 200 people max

[bronze turtle]

In theory it’s possible math does not take into account human conflicts that would arise

[gusty turret]

Actually playing the game it is not possible

[bronze turtle]

Having everyone happy would be difficult but the math does prove humans can live and thrive on that island

[gusty turret]

Like you, controller in hand, not theorizing or doing math

Playing the game with 999 in a singular server

[bronze turtle]

Hold on let me explain this way

[gusty turret]

I know what you're saying but i don't think you know what im saying

[bronze turtle]

I understand your saying in game but in practice the island to the note survivors is like real life and 1000 people in real life are able to live on that island easily

Now let me explain the second part

[gusty turret]

But we're not talking in practice, were saying in game

[bronze turtle]

It’s the same thing

Just hold on a min

Let me explain

[gusty turret]

I know what you're saying, but you're not thinking of 1000 players on a server playing the map you're thinking if the island were real

We're not talking about if it were real

[bronze turtle]

But in lore terms it was “real” so in the lore that island can support that many in theory

I understand what your saying

[gusty turret]

I know, but thats not where the disagreement is coming from

In terms of lore yes your math works

If it was real yes your math works

But if you put 12000 people on a server, playing the island, the math doesn't work because it is scaled differently than the lore/real size

[bronze turtle]

No

Math is off of in game island

Size of it

[gusty turret]

It is scaled differently than the intended size, you would struggle to find someone who could run 40 kms in a day

[bronze turtle]

It’s a game Breh

[gusty turret]

I know

[bronze turtle]

Like I said if I put you on that island you wouldn’t be able to

The characters in game are basically super humans lmao

[gusty turret]

But we're not saying if i was on the island

We're saying if 12000 player characters were on the game map

[bronze turtle]

Why is it 12,000 people now you said 1000

[gusty turret]

Just in terms of the video game, not in terms of the size of the map

[gusty turret]

Because your math says 12000

[bronze turtle]

No the game would crash

[bold dove]

[gusty turret]

Even if it wouldn't, the server would be packed from end to end

Cringewell helpppp

[bronze turtle]

Oh that’s the acres

[bold dove]

Nah

[gusty turret]

Please

[bronze turtle]

Nerva was saying at least 1000 people need to fit on island for it to be the note one

And I proved that 1000 people can fit on the island

And I’m not talking to me cringe well I’m trying to sort things out with you

[gusty turret]

Yes you proved that in theory but in theory is different than what we pick up a controller and play on

[bronze turtle]

My math says that the island in game can support that many people therefore the size of island does not need to be larger in the notes that’s all I’m saying

[gusty turret]

We're not saying the island is a different size we're saying the scale is different like an engineering blueprint

[bronze turtle]

What ???

[gusty turret]

Like you know on google maps how when you zoom it has a little scale

Saying like 500 miles is 2 inches or something

The map is the same size it is just portrayed at a smaller scale for gameplay purposes of not destroying computers

[forest rose]

[bronze turtle]

In game island is 50km that’s the size I don’t believe it’s scaled down

Idk this is going no where

I’m just saying I believe island in game is the lore accurate island using that math and that’s all

[bold dove]

I think what Dava is saying, is that The Island may be canonically larger then what we see in-game.
Akin to where the Extinction notes mention how it takes days to get to point A to point B. While the in-game version of Extinction only takes a few in-game hours to cross.

[bronze turtle]

Ok and I’m saying that in game island in the canon size

[gusty turret]

Half the notes probably wouldn't be underwater if it was tbh

[gusty turret]

In other words yes

[bold dove]

Honestly, I'm indifferent.
I can see that being the case. But there's no evidence to suggest this.
The only map that does is Extinction.

[bronze turtle]

And I believe island in game is the canon size based on my math

[gusty turret]

The ruins are also just comically small to support likely thousands of people

[bronze turtle]

In game island is 50 km that was measured in game… idk I get what your saying it’s just island we play on based on that math can support 1000 in theory

[gusty turret]

In theory, but not if 1000 player characters loaded into a server and tried it

[bronze turtle]

Yes

[bold dove]

So, the issue I currently have with your math Red. Is while it's probably correct, is that math taking into account of room on The Island?
Cause while yes, it most likely can fit 1,000 survivors. The question is 'how spread out' are those survivors?
Cause if The Island is becoming crowded, then that may be an issue. As that'd leave no room for creatures to spawn via the Overseer, and there'd be a huge overpopulation issue of humans on the ARK's, consuming all of the resources faster then it can grow back.

[bronze turtle]

Taking away things like distance you can build from others

[gusty turret]

Imo the island was probably like 2x what we play on because theres just no space on what we actually play on for massive cities or forts or anything

[bronze turtle]

Finally someone that gets it… nerva was saying island could not hold 1000 in theory it can
That does not take into account conflict…
But the notes never say how many live on island

[bold dove]

Could you copy and paste the verse of what he says in that note?

[bronze turtle]

Wait I’m saying the guy in the discord

[gusty turret]

He was talking about the person nerva not the note nerva😭

[bronze turtle]

Not the note nerva lmao

My bad

[bold dove]

Ahh.
So, I believe we're at a standstill.
We have no evidence whether or not The Island is larger then what the game shows.

[bronze turtle]

Basically

[gusty turret]

In terms of ruins its gotta be if they tried to put all the stuff mentioned in the notes on the gameplay map at a reasonable size thered be like literally no space

[bronze turtle]

Note locations are not canon

[gusty turret]

I know but locations mentioned in the notes are

[bronze turtle]

Idk I believe island in game is canon… you don’t… we good then ?

[gusty turret]

Good enough

[bold dove]

Yeah, note locations are the wackiest shit ever.

[gusty turret]

Let's stick random ass dossiers underwater!!!!

[bold dove]

'Ah yes, let me put my first ever note in a cave on the bottom of the goddamn ocean.'

[bold dove]

Not even dossiers.
Helena Note 1# is in an ocean cave

[gusty turret]

Wildcard if they ever had to make a linear story instead of randomizing it across the map:💀

[bronze turtle]

Or nerva last note being outside the tek cave

[gusty turret]

He didn't write anything in the tek cave did he?

[bold dove]

Yep, even though fucker got his whole Fortnite squad wiped right in front of him by the Overseer. : )

[gusty turret]

He was too busy getting his ass kicked

[bronze turtle]

Nah he just walked out of the cave and hall of history and then back in to die lmao

[bold dove]

'Ah yes, all my men died.
Let me just exit this cave to place down a note, then walk ALL the way back to this mysteries area, only to get stabbed.'

[bold dove]

-dies from cringe.

[bronze turtle]

Dies from walking for over 2 hours straight lmao

[gusty turret]

I can't wait for Rockwell to be a dilf like every other David Tennant character

[bronze turtle]

WHAT???

[bold dove]

Also, doesn't paper only last a few decades without proper care?

[bronze turtle]

Yeah… what’s even worse is portal 2 paper that shit lasted like 3 trillion years

[gusty turret]

I mean its not like it was being handled if it was sealed well enough it was probably fine, it looks as crusty as is to be expected

[bold dove]

Ight, so I googled it.
It depends on the paper. But regular ol paper can last a few hundred years if they're stored correctly. I.E within cold temperatures.
....we're on a tropical Island that can reach 120F, and they're stored in metal containers....

Those fuckers got cooked.

[forest rose]

I never said the island could not hold 1000 in theory bruh

I said the island could not hold 1000 physically in game

[bronze turtle]

And in a volcano

[bold dove]

YEP

Yeah, these papers should crumble in our hands when we pick them up.

[bronze turtle]

And I proved that in game could btw we done this we onto paper lmao

[bold dove]

Realistically speaking

[bronze turtle]

They should just be atoms lol

[gusty turret]

What about Helena's right buttcheek though

[bronze turtle]

I don’t think it’s canon

[forest rose]

Nah I'm not convinced 1000 players could play ingame on the island but yes, paper sounds intriguing

[bronze turtle]

If the left one ain’t then idk

[bold dove]

Helena having a dumpy isn't canon to my knowledge.

Though, Mei-Yin having one is, in fact, canon.

[bronze turtle]

Mei is tho

[forest rose]

now onto helena. Lore-nerdz is quite an interesting chat

[gusty turret]

Mei has a dumptruck and a half

[bronze turtle]

It’s the best chat

[bronze turtle]

Let’s be honest it’s the whole damn bakery

[bold dove]

It's funny, cause if we're taking that artwork in the note seriously. Someone (probably Diana) purposely had to make her specialized tek-suit have a huge backside.
Cause real armor don't have huge backsides, or frontsides.
They're as flat as every other chestpiece is. Cause most armor are made for any gender in mind.

[gusty turret]

Maybe its extra flexible

If tek armor automatically snuggly fits whatever freaks of nature we make it probably just automatically adjusts to the wearer

[bronze turtle]

Facts the “ass” armour plate is gone

They knew what they were doing im just saying 🤷‍♂️

[bold dove]

Real knight armor never had 'backside plates'

[gusty turret]

Viking armor didn't have any plates😈😈😈

Thats 100% a lie btw

[bold dove]

Basically, if you had extra meat. You had to tuck it in as everyone else did.

[bold dove]

Vikings where built different.

[gusty turret]

I don't know whether it does or doesn't

They probably had some metal armor idk

Or maybe they all just wore wolf skins like the stereotype

Who knows

[bronze turtle]

I’m just saying based on the in game tek… someone removed that plate

[gusty turret]

Not me

[bold dove]

But no, real viking armor also had the same rule apply.
'If you wanna fit into it, you gotta tuck some stuff into it.'

[bronze turtle]

Either way can we get a moment of silence for the de canonization of Helena’s cheeks 😔

[bold dove]

Which if I recall from the history I learned, made trying distinguish anyone of their gender (if they had a helmet on) really hard, cause everyone roughly looked the same in each armor.
Unless you where like, some very important person. If I recall, most soldiers where built around the armor in mind. Not the other way around.

[bronze turtle]

That is true

[gusty turret]

Well i reckon it depends on the status of the person too

Surely

[bold dove]

'Unless you where like, some very important person'

[gusty turret]

If a king wanted to have a big metal pp theyd probably let em

Oh

You know I don't know how to read

I just blindly press letters

I wish they added image perms to this channel

We actually have a use for it

Like sending pictures of note illustrations and cutscenes and when i had to draw my really amazing drawing discussing the technicalities of the tidal lock of the Earth

[bronze turtle]

Facts they really should… using images of note for evidence, ect

[dim palm]

frrr

[glad crow]

You know it would just get spammed though. Lots more work for the moderators.

[dim palm]

maybe those who are super active in lore nerdz would get a lore nerd role that gives image perms or something. that could fix it

[glad crow]

Somebody design a quiz on the lore to see if you're worthy.

[gusty turret]

Maybe add a leveling bot and add a level requirement so you have to talk a lot for it or something

[forest rose]

That would be great

[bronze turtle]

It’s clear the mods barely come in here

[glad crow]

Looking at the conversation last night, perhaps they are right to shun this channel.

[bronze turtle]

It was a important lore discussion lmao

[gusty turret]

They step in like once a week and give us a disapproving glare then disappear again

[stiff loom]

How long in between extinction and gen 1? Because it had to be a somewhat long time for Rockwell to infect the ship but not too long because he hadn’t infected the whole ship yet

[gusty turret]

Nah it's not a very long timr

Between extinction and gen 2 is like a year max, im almost certain it's less

I think its like maybe 2-4 weeks

[stiff loom]

Oh

How did he infect the first ring so fast?

[gusty turret]

🤷‍♂️

[stiff loom]

And how did he not infect the other ring

[gusty turret]

That answer probably lies somewhere in the notes but I haven't read the relevant stuff in a while so

Like HLNA tidbits and Nida would probably have the answer

[stiff loom]

Ok

I might read up on it sometime

What is the overseer exactly? An ancient homo deus?

[gusty turret]

How long is a "cycle"

[gusty turret]

Uhhhh homodeus merged with a robot pretty much

[stiff loom]

So is that why it’s malfunctioning. The homo deus has basically decayed, as they do over time, no?

[gusty turret]

Pretty much, the homdeus faded leaving the flawed system in control and since the element level was only increasing instead of decreasing the tests spiraled out of control becoming immensely more difficult

If we know how long a cycle is we know how long HLNA has been around for

But HLNA was probably around before the reseeding so it doesn't impact the timeframe between extinction and gen 2

She said she had been in the simulation for "3000 cycles"

[stiff loom]

Ok. Would rockwell have been immortal had he not exploded?

[gusty turret]

Uuuhh probably?

After my one quick chat with HLN-A, I couldn't seem to track her down again inside the Genesis simulation.

It's like she'd learned how to conceal herself since our encounter.

Of course no one believed me.

For a while there, I wasn't sure I believed me.

Then the glitches started showing up in Genesis.

Patching the simulation code seemed like a low-priority concern, though it was definitely unusual.

But before anyone could address that situation, we started seeing cascading faults in our real world systems.

Things got bad enough that we had to evacuate and seal off biomes in the forward ring!

I'd like to think that my crewmates would circle back to taking my close encounter with a transhuman-created artificial intelligence seriously, if there was time or resources to investigate further.

But everyone's in full-on disaster mode now.

So HLNA was around for 3000 cycles before Rockwell

So i assume that means 3000 cycles since Mei and Diana opened the uplink to the ship

[stiff loom]

Ok. So way longer before rockwell. Maybe a cycle means like a day or something.

[gusty turret]

Rockwell took over insanely fast though so its hard to really guesstimate how long between him getting into the simulation and us getting into it

My bet is a monthish

With the ish leaning towards less than

[stiff loom]

Alright. Will it clear up if we are the same survivor from the arks in the new dlc?

[gusty turret]

Hopefully

[gusty turret]

"My findings about the invasive lifeforms I sampled in the other ring set off a full-on panic response in the crew.
Our engineers are speeding up their plan to detach our ring from the ship entirely, hoping to keep our biological archives from being contaminated."

In terms of subsystems and physically the ring is completely shut off from the rest of the ship, and then Nida does the full separation thing and has that loaded up in the control room

[stiff loom]

How can we go from ring to ring then?

[gusty turret]

Because gameplay

We literally travel through the vacuum of space to get fhere

In the tek suit that works fine

[stiff loom]

Ohh ok.

[bronze turtle]

Once we are there doesn’t it take like 8 years before anything happens based on the nida note saying a certain amount of cycle hlna was there for

[nimble ether]

Does anyone know why notes don't count after they've been collected?

[bronze turtle]

?

[gusty turret]

HLNA was there for 3000 cycles before Rockwell and we get there after him so

Im assuming a cycle is a year

[nimble ether]

I have collected Helena explorer notes, but the game doesn't show me that they´ve been collected. Number 4 and 9 are missing, but I have finished them 100 percent.I'm a little worried that I've lost them due to a bug or something

[bronze turtle]

Asa or ase ?

[gusty turret]

#bobs-with-probs

[nimble ether]

Asa

[bronze turtle]

Idk this isn’t the right chat for that tho

[bronze turtle]

I realized a terrifying thought… the arrival was willing to use children… even the arks would never do that

[gusty turret]

Huh?

[bronze turtle]

The genesis program is willing to use children the arks did not

[gusty turret]

We don't necessarily know that for sure, we have an instance of childbirth on the arks and the genesis ship also just had people reproducing

I don't think the child in the ark 2 trailer came from the ship but we can't really say either way

[bronze turtle]

How does she have a implant?

[bronze turtle]

I’m saying put into the program the arks never put children on the beaches and the genesis ship was just people working on the ship there while life like nida who was born on it

[gusty turret]

Who? The kid in the trailer?

[gusty turret]

We don't really know if the arks never put children or not, its just as likely they all died and were eaten like immediately

Like a toddler boxing a dilophosaur would not go well

The parameters of the projects were also different though

The ship has no reason not to have children, where the ship was doing its experiments in a virtually risk free environment and the ship could benefit from including children, the Arks had no need to include children since they were moreso for direct training of people to return to an environment that is known to be hostile, theyd probably rather have trained adults than trained children, they also may have just aged the children and given them fake memories though 🤷‍♂️

Its also possible implants are actually extremely simple and they just performed the procedure at birth like a circumcision or something

[pearl tulip]

Especially since there are like 4 variations on the island alone

[gusty turret]

Huh?

[bronze turtle]

Huh

[bronze turtle]

Based on the survivor skeleton I don’t think that’s possible

[limber dock]

Aberration used college students I think

[gusty turret]

College students are infact not kids

It seems like everyone woke up somewhere around their mid 20s if I had to guess

Which wouldn't be a problem for grad students

[glad crow]

With that level of technology, any surgery is a quick and easy job, even resurrection.

[gusty turret]

Im not sure what child we're talking about in particular having an implant

[bronze turtle]

Not people in the wilderness like that they don’t have tek

[bronze turtle]

The one in ark 2

[gusty turret]

If you'll recall from the trailer, the ring segments are very much still functional and intact

[glad crow]

Also, I'd assume this happened before the crash.

[bronze turtle]

And the switch game also confirmed that children were prepared for the arrival

[glad crow]

The implant being introduced to the child.

[gusty turret]

I imagine thats just kind of how they were grown

[bronze turtle]

I’m just saying the genesis program also put kids into the arrival that’s the only way the kid can have the implant along with the switch game confirming that kids were prepared for the arrival

[gusty turret]

The sad thing about Ark 2 is the transhumans and feds are still gonna hate each other

Its a miracle that the tek tribe worked out tbh

[bronze turtle]

Are the homo deus all extinct now ? Or all on earth

[gusty turret]

All the homodeus were extinct ages ago, as stated by Helena she was the last one and they were long gone before she ascended

"extinct" so to speak

Its hard for a being of pure energy that exists beyond our dimension to truly be defined as extinct

But for all intents and purposes of mattering they're extinct

[bronze turtle]

Yeah

[gusty turret]

And we have no idea what Helena is

She seems fine in Extinction and if gen 2 takes place a short timeframe after she's probably still around but the system is dead so theres not much she could do on Earth

[lyric tendon]

the ARK is just too dangerous to even possibly bear children and wilds are not the only danger to them (see Rockwell Note in SE)

[gusty turret]

I don't doubt that children were possibly scanned but i doubt they were implemented as children

Like i said before they very likely may have been aged up and given false memories

[lyric tendon]

doubt that on the ARK because they prefer intact unaltered memories, unlike in Genesis

[gusty turret]

Thats also fair

Didn't they just duplicate the database between the two though?

[lyric tendon]

here's a plausible headcanon

what if the intact matrixes are sorted to the ARKs while broken/fragmented ones are in Genesis hence the need to splice 2 memories together

[gusty turret]

Wdym by that?

I don't recall a "need" to splice 2 memories together

They made an oopsie and accidentally made Gabriel/Ixion(i think is his name?) but that was a one time thing

The ship database would've come before the ark database so i feel like they just copypasted it

[lyric tendon]

does the notes stated that his case is an error tho?

remember Uma can tamper whatever memory she needed to
both Gabrel and Vin are evident cases of clones in Gen are tampered compared to the ARKs

[gusty turret]

I mean Santiago made it sound like it was a major screw up so id assume so

[lyric tendon]

a Modder like Nida would notice if there is something wrong in the matrixes but she didn't notice any even before Gabriel

[gusty turret]

After I looked up my own record last night and freaked out, I tried to cover my tracks with a few hours of random searches through the database.

I stumbled across the first major screw up by Yongki's division: between emulation and archiving, they somehow got two distinct historical identities entangled.

The dominant personality-a gold prospector from Alta California-was also given the memories of an Alexandrian occultist from the Roman Principate.

It'd tie up resources to unravel and recompile them, so I flagged the whole mess to fix if or when we ever have any downtime.

Mashing up two sets of genetics would just give us a new offspring that never organically happened, but this is like we stitched a random pair of souls together.

Hope my warning flag keeps that poor bastard from ever getting incarnated.

I can't picture an AI ever glitching out enough to resurrect an aberrant engram.

This one's legitimately gonna haunt me, though-honestly wish I could just erase my ever knowing about it.

[gusty turret]

She makes a very large point of all the glitches that are occurring and suspecting it's HLNA long before she meets Gabriel

Aka the ai glitched out enough to resurrect an aberrant engram

[stiff loom]

Why couldn’t the survivor wake up the people in the simulation after beating it?

[gusty turret]

Because Rockwell is in complete control still

And that also would benefit nothing besides getting people killed

[stiff loom]

So we couldn’t have even taken them off the pod that they were inside when in the simulation?

[gusty turret]

I don't think so

[stiff loom]

Ok..

[dim palm]

why does the kid in ark 2 even have an implant in the first place? i thought people on the genesis ship didnt have implants, so why does she have one

[bold dove]

I don't think it's ever mentioned if they had implants or not.

[dim palm]

gen 1 cutscene shows no implant, federation exosuit has no implant spot, etc

[worn cypress]

Do we know that after the events of extinction, earth healed ? As in civilisations getting started and progressing with no more element left.

[lyric tendon]

You have to wait for the future story DLC for that

[gusty turret]

I didn't think she had one but i was just going off what reaper said cuz i don't have time to watch the trailers, if she doesn't then i have no idea why that discussion happend to begin with