lore-nerdz

[brazen sparrow]

Basically. Think of it like dementia, but because you're too powerful and loaded with data, you start to get rid of the elements of your past life that don't matter any more like your sense of self, your identity, your past, etc.

[dim peak]

those don't matter?

did helena choose to get rid of those memories

[brazen sparrow]

Homo Deus are on a plane of existence where those don't really make a difference, so yes, they don't really matter all that much to them, but I don't think it's a conscious choice to do so, per se

[sacred parcel]

No, Helena didn’t because In the extinction start cutscene she suddenly remembers everything pointing to her forgetting

[brazen sparrow]

Like I said, think dementia

[dim peak]

fascinating

where did the dinos from extinction come from

did they come from proto arks

[sacred parcel]

Element corruption

[dim peak]

i mean the normal ones

[sacred parcel]

Yes, probably

They probably migrated to Sanctuary after the corrupted ones got into the Proto-Arks

[dim peak]

who migrated in to the sanctuary

[sacred parcel]

The normal Dinos

The less brave

[dim peak]

how did they get to the sanctuary and where did they come from

[sacred parcel]

They came from experiments with the Proto-Arks and people remade them from fossils to populate the arks. The dinos then migrated across the wastes to Sanctuary possibly losing a few to the corrupted in the process

[brazen sparrow]

They are most likely just leftovers that wandered away from the Proto-Arks, as Lunar said, or spawned from the obelisk that is in Sanctuary that people tend to forget about 😂

[dim peak]

this is so interesting

who made the obelisks

[brazen sparrow]

Future humans

[sacred parcel]

The scientists of Sanctuary

Santiago possibly included

[brazen sparrow]

From the 24th? century, iirc

[dim peak]

just so i'm not lost, you mean the sanctuary in extinction?

[sacred parcel]

Yes, the giant city in the middle of the map

[dim peak]

how did they make the obelisks, those giant floating things that weigh so much and probably take so much resources

[brazen sparrow]

We don't know

Science

Future science

[sacred parcel]

Idk, possibly mag-lev but it is probably a characteristic of element

That makes it float

[brazen sparrow]

Oh yeah, and element

[sacred parcel]

Element, steel, and luck

[brazen sparrow]

Element, the best "do anything you want, anytime, forever" material

[dim peak]

what happened to the santiago clone thingy

he died in extinction what happened when thewy brougt him back

[sacred parcel]

You should think about that, turn it into “do anything you want, anytime, until it takes over the world”

[brazen sparrow]

True and real

[sacred parcel]

I don’t think that they ever brought Santiago back as The One Who Waits was the one who made the cloning devices after many years of trial and error in hopes that a survivor could slay the King Titan and heal Earth without the terror of death looming over

[dim peak]

idk how it went, there was aberration/extinction santiago and then there was genesis santiago

[brazen sparrow]

Long story short, there's 2 different Santiago's. There's the one on the Arks, which died in Extinction as you said, and there's the one who was stored on the Genesis ship. The one on the ship went through the events in the Santiago explorer notes on Gen 2, and is actually a who-knows-how-many-th iteration, as Uma messed with his engram in the simulation to try and extract some info from his memories shortly before his death, and before he died he figured out that he was captured and killed in the tek war and his memories up to the point where he was working on the ship were edited.

[sacred parcel]

Both corporations have digital replicas of each person. The Terran Federation and the one who made the arks

[dim peak]

so how i understand is, he died in extinction, uma was looking at santiagos engrammic thingy and did they use some of those memories to create a new santiago?

there's the ark 2 santiago, what kind of memories does he have and if he's missing some,w hy?

[sacred parcel]

There were two Santiago

[dim peak]

yes

[sacred parcel]

The Extinction one and the Genesis one

Both separate but the same

[dim peak]

what about aberration

[brazen sparrow]

He (most likely) won't remember Aberration and Extinction, as those were a different clone of him. The one on the ship has been there the whole time

[dim peak]

oh so he was first on the colony ship and a clone of him was sent to aberration?

[sacred parcel]

That Santiago was the one who went to Extinction

Both were clones

I think

I am not the best with Santiago’s lore

[brazen sparrow]

Santiago was stored in the engram storage on both the Arks and the Genesis ship; the ship hadn't reached it's destination until after the events of Extinction, when we get teleported to the ship and do the things. Hope that clears things up a little

The events of the Arks in the notes take place long before the ship

[sacred parcel]

That clears it up but the Genesis ship never finds a destination

Or Rockwell would have a whole planet and be unstoppable

[dim peak]

now i'm even more lost but i understood some of it, this is my last question i promise i'll ask more tomorrow, but how would i oversimplify aberration/extinction santiago

just like directly explained like "dude from lithuania who had his mind manipulated"

[sacred parcel]

Same person. A clone of the original put on the arks

[brazen sparrow]

Yes, it does. It finds Arat, the planet we are at in Ark 2

[dim peak]

alright that

my last question, thank you both for your time amazing people

[sacred parcel]

Hmm, ok. But not when we are there or the ship wouldn’t be still warping through space with stops. It would go immediately there

I understand that after Rockwell is defeated it does but before that it is still warping around

[brazen sparrow]

Well, yeah, hence the "get teleported to the ship and do the things" 😂

Once we do the things, it finds a destination

[sacred parcel]

You worded it weirdly, it says that it finds its destination then we get teleported there

That is how I see it atleast

[brazen sparrow]

A extremely smart hacker-mans who had his memories gunked up like the other inhabitants of the Arks and is very important

[sacred parcel]

Santiago made the Meks from extinction and the Tek Stryders. Both very important

[dim peak]

thanks

[brazen sparrow]

Oh, well I meant like in the grand scheme of things, what we do on the ship and the ship finding a destination both happen post-Extinction

Sorry I did kinda word it strangely, lol

[bold dove]

Original Santiago died during the tek-war.
Both major nations had their own copies of Santiago, which made-up the Ab/Ext Santiago (the og) and the Genesis-ship ones (the new generation)

[dim peak]

we talj more tomorrow i only have 6 hours to sleep

Goodnights

[bold dove]

Iirr, we're on our 4th incarnations?
There's the tek-war one, that we don't know much about I think other then his death ended the war.
Then there's the Ab/Ext one.
Then there's the Genesis-ship Santiago which died in a suicide bombing.
Then there's the ARK-2 one, that's a direct clone of the Genesis-ship one.

[brazen sparrow]

You can't forget the potential countless iterations that were modified by Uma in the ship making era, there could've been a lot

[bold dove]

Well yeah. But those haven't been mentioned as their own versions. (if that makes sense?)

There's 4 currently that actually have characters and stories behind them.

[brazen sparrow]

Fair

[bold dove]

Depending how much Santiago's are there, I feel like they should be designated.

Like 'S-001' or shit like that.
When you have a shitload of a model, you'd usually wanna designate them then it's easier to separate them.
It's one reason why cars have license plates iirr.

[lyric tendon]

the Mohawk Santiago

[gusty turret]

I decided that one actually

Its me, head of big license plates

[dim peak]

how did rockwell escape from aberration after we killed it

[gusty turret]

We didn't "kill" him he merely defeated him, and when we killed the king titan and initiated the reseed protocol aberration came crashing down to Earth and he crawled out

And Aberration crashed instead of safely descending down to Earth because someone nuked it

Kinda like ripping one of the blades off a drone

[dim peak]

ooo

lol crawled out

he uploaded himself on the colony ship?

[mental basin]

Yeah, at Arat Prime.

Be entered AFTER Helena, actually.

[dim peak]

wait what

aberration crashed on arat prime

and not extinction?

[gusty turret]

Nono arat prime is a place on Earth

On the opposite side of the Earth from extinction i believe

[dim peak]

o

do we know what arat prime looks like

[brazen sparrow]

We know what the inside looks like, as in, the inside while being uploaded as data and sent to the ship 😂

[dim peak]

i dont get it

[brazen sparrow]

We are uploaded to the Genesis ship and we see this process in the Genesis pass reveal stream

[mental basin]

Yeah that's the Uplink, not the actual Arat Prime structure.

Anyways, AP is on Earth. Earth is Extinction.

AP is on the opposite side of the world to Sanctuary.

Aberration crashed near Arat Prime.

[dim peak]

i see

interesting

[mental basin]

Rockwell then used the uplink Mei-Yin and Diana opened for Helena to get onto the Genesis-Ship.

TLDR Helena didn't use a VPN kek

[gusty turret]

"There must be something we can do though. I did find lots of references to a place called "Arat Prime," off on the other side of the planet. Looks promising, but...well now isn't that interesting. Our favorite mystery being seems to think so too. Is that where it's leading us?"

[dim peak]

i just have 1 question, let's say there is timezone 1, 2, 3 and 4 and there were like 100 santiagos, from previously explained there was ab/ext santiago, the tek war one, ark 2 one and the genesis one

what timezones do these santiagos go in

[mental basin]

What do you mean?

[dim peak]

like 1 is past and 4 is future

[mental basin]

Kind of, uhhh, lemme explain.

[dim peak]

please di

and oversimplify it if you can, english isn't my mother tongue

[gusty turret]

Also stel you don't gotta use the chronicles as proof for what Mei and Diana did after their last note whether it was die or not since chronicles are shifty just use Diana's notes

"Now that we know what this faceless tour guide in the sky actually wants from us, Mei and I had a long talk about next steps.

On the one hand, after going through the ringer, it's awfully tempting to settle down and just enjoy the apocalypse together. On the other hand, I've got a resurrection to repay, and keeping Earth from dying seems kind of important. I do live here, after all.

Who am I kidding? I was always voting for the dangerous option. As for Mei-Yin, I guess she's actually been hearing said guide herself these days, and amazingly that's all the convincing it took. She says she trusts the way it speaks, almost like it's familiar to her.

We must be out of our freaking minds to do this, but hey, at least we're going mad together."

[mental basin]

Original Santiago - Was killed at the end of the TEK war, designed the TEK Weapons that caused the Corruption.

Santiago 2.0 - Was cloned to help out with the Genesis-Ship. He didn't know he was a clone, and not long after he found out, he was killed. (His friend found out his family was cloned, and strapped a bomb to himself.)

Santiago 3.0 - He's the Santiago on Aberration-Extinction. His memories end BEFORE his death in the war, so he doesn't know about Genesis. He eventually dies, as he sacrificed himself to save his friends on Extinction.

Santiago 4.0 - This is Genesis Santiago, again. We don't know much about him, but he seems like a CLONE of Santiago 2.0, so he's a clone of a clone. He knows about Genesis, and his death in the TEK War, and his death on Genesis, as well.

He's the Santiago in ARK 2.

And he doesn't know about his time on the ARKs.

It's a little complicated, I know.

Is there anything you don't understand?

[brazen sparrow]

Well, we assume he doesn't know about his time on the Arks. We don't know that for sure

[mental basin]

I guess, but let's not confuse him.

[brazen sparrow]

Fair

[dim peak]

hmm

alright yeah i think i understand

there's nothing i dont understand, thank you for the time you spent on that long essay i appreciate it

[mental basin]

No problem.

If you want to learn more about the story, @dense ice has multiple series about it.

Whether it be the Explorer Notes acted out, Lore Shorts, small explanation Videos, or the Summary Series I'm helping write.

[dim peak]

i have a quest

how did helena escape aberration

explorer note says something about a gateway

[mental basin]

You know the big portal?

[dim peak]

ye

[mental basin]

Santiago and the TEK Tribe who lived on Aberration built that to get to Earth.

They're also the same people who blew Aberration up.

And they made a lot of the big holograms and buildings you see on the Map.

[dim peak]

so first they blew up aberration and then they built the portal

[mental basin]

Yup. I'm guessing you wanna know why they blew Aberration up?

[gusty turret]

Overall yes but theres a lot of in-between steps there

[dim peak]

yes i do wanna know

[lyric tendon]

Wall of text, incoming

[mental basin]

So everyone on Aberration was from the future, BEFORE Earth got Corrupted. ARKs weren't invented when they were alive, and neither was the Genesis-Ship. So they thought that someone had captured all of them, for some reason, when they realized there was a barrier.

Santiago tracked a signal at the top of the barrier, and it was the Overseer. They made a huge bomb, and took it right to the Overseer. It was more dangerous than they had expected, so they just immediately set it off, and it broke the ARK and the Overseer.

Without the barrier working properly, radiation leaked in... and you know the rest.

(Without an Overseer, the ARK eventually picked Rockwell as its replacement, later.)

[gusty turret]

Diana flew a tek suit right into the barrier

[mental basin]

[gusty turret]

Diana is underrated honestly

I hope she gets a lot of love in the animated series

[dim peak]

did the radiation come from space

[mental basin]

It came from the sun.

The sun is a deadly laser.

[gusty turret]

The barrier was like the Earth's atmosphere it keeps the sun from baking us all alive

[gusty turret]

Also damnit

I thought i had escaped that

I can't go like 5 minutes without seeing something and thinking hey we could make a religion out of this

[lyric tendon]

She doesn't have a VA

I doubt she is gonna exist in the anime lol

[gusty turret]

Imagine they cut her and make Mei and Helena gay for each other instead

That would actually be so upsetting

[lyric tendon]

We don't have Raia the dragon lady which is also sad

[gusty turret]

Maybe they just don't have a voice actor yet

[obsidian geyser]

Just realized. We transfering between Arks makes canonically sense, right? Since we can go to the Ark we want to go to similar to Rockwell wanting to get to the Ark he desired, or?

[gusty turret]

No

[lyric tendon]

Only ascension but never transfer back

[obsidian geyser]

ah ok nvm

[gusty turret]

Technically you could transfer back if you ascended on the new one too

[mental basin]

There's elements of Transferring in the lore, but it's very loosely based. So the answer would be no.

[lyric tendon]

Unless the made it canon given how convoluted HD Helena is between Ext and Gen 1

[mental basin]

Like, Rockwell Transferred himself to Genesis from Arat Prime, I guess. That's kinda close.

Different on a technical level, but close.

[lyric tendon]

That still counts as ascension

He can't transfer back

[mental basin]

No, that's not ascension at all.

[lyric tendon]

HD Helena in the other hand

In between "being transferred by Mei x Diana" and "waiting for Bob (us) to ascend"

I feel like she did transfer back

[mental basin]

Ascension was something you did on the ARKs. Transfer is the funky Arat Prime thingy. And, we dunno if he can or can't Transfer back. He wouldn't, but that doesn't mean he couldn't.

[lyric tendon]

Ascension is a one way transfer (not just a simple boss fight)

[mental basin]

It's not. Ascension is an ARK-hop granted by passing the final Guardian of said ARK.

[lyric tendon]

Major doubt about Rockwell

But Helena sure does

Think about it

If Helena does transfer after the notes in Ext just to make HLNA then goes back down to earth as TOWW and wait for us to ascend and transfer to Gen Sim

Me and @brazen sparrow had that debate earlier

[obsidian geyser]

geez i never fail to hit off discussions xD

[lyric tendon]

Gen lore is a mess especially between Ext and Gen because of change of writers

The ARK side of the story is at least easy to theorize despite the minor plotholes

[brazen sparrow]

We also don't have voice actors for literally anyone else past The Island, so curb your pessimism lol

[lyric tendon]

They have characters from SE and Ab in the VA line up

So curb your enthusiasm lol

[brazen sparrow]

Literally only Santiago, and that's because they have Vin on lock

You are delusional

[lyric tendon]

Yet they have "John"

[mental basin]

Can we not have an argument
FOR FIVE MINUTES

[lyric tendon]

Even if it's "thunder comes charging" he is still from SE

[arctic bison]

Sir, this is the Ark community, no such thing is possible

☕

[brazen sparrow]

No he isn't, just because he's a native American man named John doesn't suddenly mean that he's John Dahkeya

That is delusional thinking

[arctic bison]

this is turning into Ark 2 chatter logic

[lyric tendon]

That is what I get for pinning him tbh

[lyric tendon]

I guess you never read his note huh

Yep he didn't lol, figured

May wonna turn down the name calling while ya at it, thanks

[brazen sparrow]

I read his description, he isn't John Dahkeya

And I'm not namecalling, either

[lyric tendon]

So does the notes that he tried to change names

[lyric tendon]

[brazen sparrow]

That... isn't... namecalling, lol

[lyric tendon]

You don't know what name-calling is aren't you?

[brazen sparrow]

Calling someone delusional is not calling them like an idiot or something, you may want to read up on what delusional is/means

[bronze turtle]

lol i just had a thought

[dim peak]

so did santiago and the tek tribe build the big portal in aberration

[mental basin]

Yep.

[bronze turtle]

the arks where created to test the human race and to make a select few demi-gods in order to kill the King on Extinction, but after reading the rest of the lore, us, as a demi-god, faded away soon after, but where im confused is how do we even get in/on the ark is we died becoming a demi-god AND the ark already had launched long time ago

[mental basin]

Incorrect, but close.

[bronze turtle]

wow you read that in 2sec O.o

oh and when i mean "ark" i mean the gen 2 map

[mental basin]

The ARKs were meant to get rid of Element on Earth, and pretty much bring down super humans to repopulate the planet with. This was all made on the assumption that Element would subside, but it never did.

So to get them to come back down, to 'Reseed',, Element must subside. We do that by slaying the King Titan- which was Helena's plan, not the ARKs'.

The ARKs only had the plan of speed-evolving people, and getting rid of Element.

It was Helena who eventually made respawning possible, allowing us to follow in her footsteps to Earth, where we'd kill the King Titan with her gift to us- the Mega Mek.

Make sense?

[mental basin]

And you're especially incorrect if you're referring to the Genesis-Project.

The Genesis-Ship was created to bring Survivors to a new, habitable planet somewhere among the stars. The Genesis Simulation is aboard, and that's where Survivors would be trained for their new world. Kinda like how the ARKs train Survivors and make them stronger, more resilient to survive on the newly reseeded Earth.

[bronze turtle]

ahhhh ok that makes sense

[mental basin]

Problem is, according to HLN-A, they never picked a destination due to time-restraints. So its been wandering the cosmos for a very, very long time.

There's crew on the ship, along with Survivors.

But Rockwell wiped the entire crew out.

And he planned to turn the hibernating Survivors into monsters- the Corrupted Survivors we see in the final bossfight.

He pretty much saw it as the next step in human evolution.

[bronze turtle]

the loophole is HOW did we get aboard is its be in FTL for a long,long time?

[mental basin]

We dunno. It's never explicitly stated.

All that matters is that we DID get on.

Rockwell got on through Arat Prime.

So did Helena.

[bronze turtle]

i wonder if its Extinctions ending cutscene are mind gets uploaded to a new clone that IN gen 1

but that wouldent explain rockwell

[mental basin]

It's possible, but we dunno. Why put ourselves into another version of ourselves, instead of just using Arat Prime..?

[mental basin]

Arat Prime.

[bronze turtle]

hrm ya ok i get it now

[mental basin]

You know what Arat Prime is?

[bronze turtle]

ty for explaining was little confused

isent it like homo deus?

[mental basin]

Nope.

TLDR, Arat Prime is the launch site of the Genesis-Ship. It's on the opposite side of the Earth to Sanctuary, the city in Extinction.

After Helena ascended and accidentally revived Diana, she led her and Mei-Yin to Arat Prime, which apparently took a long time. Sometime after the ARKs come down, probably not too long after, Mei-Yin and Diana opened up what's pretty much a Transfer to the Genesis-Ship, where she made HLN-A.

We dunno what happens to Mei and Diana, but Aberration crashed near Arat Prime, and Rockwell slithered his way out, and through the Transfer, as nobody ever closed it.

After that, Rockwell stowed himself within the depths of the Genesis-Ship, taking over the Genesis-Simulation, Corrupting Survivors and eventually slaughtering the crew.

Mei-Yin and Diana probably went through the Transfer to the Genesis-Ship after Helena, but we don't know yet.

[bronze turtle]

ahhhh ok

[mental basin]

Mhm mhm.

If there's anything you don't understand, I'd be happy to explain.

[gusty turret]

Technically we don't have the slightest idea where aberration crashed

I personally think it would've made the most sense if it was the ark closest to sanctuary since thats where they were able to teleport to but what do i know I don't get paid to write lore

[mental basin]

We know EXACTLY where it crashed.

Fries literally stated it on Twitter.

[gusty turret]

Is fries the new guy?

[mental basin]

Mhm.

One of the main reasons there's so many discrepancies between Soskin's lore and Fries' is because he didn't have long to learn and memorize everything.

[gusty turret]

Twitter isn't necessarily the most reliable source for information even if it is the writer but if he gave an approximate location might as well take it

[mental basin]

... He's literally the writer, what.

[obsidian geyser]

who is fries and Soskin?

[thin tide]

Word of the people who made it is prob the best source lmao

[gusty turret]

Twitter hasn't earned the right to trusting anything on it😭

[thin tide]

Think of it as the developer speaking directly instead of “twitter”

[mental basin]

Soskin- He wrote The Island-Extinction. He left WC with the basic ideas for Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.
Fries - Took over after Soskin left. He wrote Genesis 2, as apparently there was no official writer for Genesis 1.

That's why Genesis 1 is so light on actual story, and is 99% filler.

[gusty turret]

I think if i was the writer I would've wrote that the portal was able to establish a short distance link to sanctuary and have aberration as the ark closest to sanctuary

[mental basin]

It's a tiny inconsistency, it doesn't matter.

[thin tide]

Sometimes it’s hard to establish lore because there’s no in-universe way to communicate it, it’s something the characters simply could not know. This leads devs to place it outside of the universe for our consumption and theories.

[gusty turret]

Maybe they should just make twitter canon

Elon Musk on the Arks?????

[mental basin]

What he's saying, is that Aberration is above Sanctuary. In fact, you can see it in the Overseer Arena.

It's just an inconsistency.

It doesn't really matter, either. One way or another, Ab crashed near Arat Prime.

And that's that.

How did it get to the other side of the planet? No clue, don't care, a wizard did it.

[gusty turret]

The next time a noob comes in here can we pump them full of misinformation just because itd be funny?

[mental basin]

[gusty turret]

Say like Rockwell was Helenas dad or something

[obsidian geyser]

Ah so noone in lore but writers i see. Thanks. Was wondering. Thought they are ingame lore characters which i'd never hear from

[mental basin]

No, but there is a few interesting 'character' locations in Extinction.

I'm half lying.

[obsidian geyser]

???

xD

[mental basin]

There's a 'Diana Memorial Fountain' and a 'Livingstone Park' in Sanctuary.

What's so interesting about that, you might ask?

Well, on the Broodmother Hologram, at the very bottom left, you can see text saying, 'L LIVINGSTONE @ BIODIAC'

It's ten billion percent a coincidence, and probably just came from a stock image, but I think it's funny.

Livingstone is a character who doesn't exist, and he lives rent-free in the back of my mind.

[thin tide]

Is there an in-universe explanation for the existence of bosses yet?

[mental basin]

Yeah, they're Guardians of the ARKs. They're just tests.

[thin tide]

Is Rockwell included in that?

[mental basin]

No, maybe. Kinda. Technically.

Let me finish my Diana rant, first.

[thin tide]

I’ve always theorized that the ARKs selected just the toughest creatures, instead of creating them itself

[obsidian geyser]

lately i got the Araneo dossier and Helena concluded they dug the caves on the island. Also she mentioned that there must be a bigger one which must be the Broodmother

[mental basin]

Now for the Diana Memorial Fountain, that's odd, right? Coincidence? I think not. Diana also died in, or around the war. This fountain was probably made in her honor.

It's not lore-important, but it's fun.

[mental basin]

That's a bit outdated, seeing as the ARKs replenish dinos, not the Broodmother.

[mental basin]

He took after the Overseer, since Aberration's was destroyed.

[obsidian geyser]

Yeah the Arks creates the creatures ik. Though i like it's kinda foreshadowing for whats to come

[mental basin]

Yeah, it is.

Okay, since I'm here, does anyone want any lore questions answered?

[dim peak]

I.

Do.

how did santiago suicide bomb and where did he suicide bomb and who did he suicide bomb

[gusty turret]

He got suicide bombed

[dim peak]

oh

[mental basin]

His friend Yongki found out his family was going to be cloned against his will, so he strapped a bomb to himself, hoping to blow up the Survivor database.

Santiago didn't know he had a bomb, so when he tried to get Yongki to talk to him, he was blown up.

The Survivor database was fine, though.

[dim peak]

i see

what happened to santiago after he was blown up

[mental basin]

He died.

[dim peak]

lol

was he cloned after that

[mental basin]

Yeah, at the end of Genesis 2.

That's his clone.

[dim peak]

who cloned him

[mental basin]

Dunno.

[dim peak]

who been dunnit

[brazen sparrow]

Uma, the ship, any number of explanations since we don't know, but it's a rather inconsequential answer as it doesn't really matter now who cloned him, just that he was

[dim peak]

i must know

what about helena leaving aberration thing

i dont remember if i got an answer to that

how did she escape ab

[brazen sparrow]

I coulda sworn they answered that already, lol

[dim peak]

well how did she

ah

portal

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah she left ab the same way everyone else does, except she went with the tek tribe

[brazen sparrow]

You could also read all the lore on the wiki, or watch most of it in the video series by NeddytheNoodle on youtube

For when there's not someone here to answer the lore questions you may have

[dim peak]

one more

how did helena ascend on the island

if she didn't have any dinos with her

[fallow sapphire]

Nerva and his army cleared the cave

And beat the Overseer

[dim peak]

i see

tanks

[gusty turret]

Ar

Aren't you giving Nerva too much credit

[gusty turret]

I accidentally pressed send before i typed so excuse that

I thought it was Nervas army and he hid behind them all

[dim peak]

why is it, that we go to genesis part 1 after we saved the world from corruption

did helena know rockwell was in the colony ship

[thin tide]

Was there ever a reason ARKs were used instead of like… space travel?

[lament raft]

space travel was Genesis

the ARKs were one of two solutions to the problem, the Genesis ship was the other

[gusty turret]

Its not just about saving humanity really, with the Arks you were saving humanity and the homeworld of human life and with the ships it was just about saving humanity

Arks were more like spiritual significance in a way yknow?

[lament raft]

the arks were a real solution. genesis was just 'f this we out'

[bold dove]

They where also kind of a shitty one.

Cause without intervention, the ARK's would've never worked.

[gusty turret]

They weren't shitty they just couldn't forsee the element overtaking their forces entirely like it did

[bold dove]

Which makes them a shitty solution compared to the ship

The ARK's took the chance to save Earth, even if there was a lot of variables to be had.
The Genesis-ship did the easier wrought and just dipped.

[lament raft]

by that line genesis was a shitty solution because rockwell

[gusty turret]

The ship could've never found a destination it was equally as shitty, we just have the gift of being able to look at why it didn't work from a future perspective

[bold dove]

Differences here, is that they where already dealing with Corruption by the time the ARK's where made, and so 'knew' it was spreading, but took the chances anyway and hoped it would stay slow.
Rockwell just cheated.

[bold dove]

It literally found one at the end

[gusty turret]

But it could've not

[bold dove]

It 'could've' but it 'didn't'

[gusty turret]

They had no idea what would happen in the future when they made the plans they were just trying to save humanity

[bold dove]

It found the destination of what was needed for human life.

[lament raft]

genesis was more of a backup

[bold dove]

You do know there's likely thousands of habitable of worlds for humans in our galaxy, right?
We literally just found recently another planet in the goldilocks zone.

[gusty turret]

Are we making the genesis ship right now?

[lament raft]

potential worlds

[bold dove]

I wouldn't call it a 'backup.' Just another solution executed differently.

[bold dove]

Nope, are you?
The fuck was that point?

[gusty turret]

We have insight that they didn't have

[lament raft]

just because it's in the zone doesn't mean it's automatically habitable

it just has the best potential to be

[bold dove]

They don't know that there's habitable world out there, even though we're in their past?

[bold dove]

No shit, Sherlock

[lament raft]

rude

[bold dove]

"Scientists at NASA have recently announced that they found a planet that is almost identical (about 95%) to Earth's size and shape and has a rocky surface. Named TOI 700 e, this new planet orbits within its star's habitable zone, which also hints at the presence of water on its surface."

[gusty turret]

If they knew it was there why send the ship from system to system scanning for habitable words for hundreds of years

[bold dove]

You want the full, or blunt answer?

[gusty turret]

Because t h e y d i d n t k n o w

[bold dove]

Nope.
Cause Wildcard didn't know, and didn't take into consideration that humanity might've discovered other worlds by the time ARK is set in, so they winged it.

[mental basin]

What's the convo?

If you're saying what I think you are-
The crew must not be able to manually control the ship past launch. Whether it be danger of striking something due to size, or something else, they can't mess with it. And a lot of the Genesis-Project was rushed, as stated by HLN-A in Genesis. From the simulation being buggy, with corners being cut, to the URE and Feds not having enough time to pick a specific destination.

Arat is just the name that was going to be given to whatever habitable planet the Genesis-Ship finds.

TLDR
The crew most likely can't change the destination of the ship.
All of Genesis, whether it be the Sim or the Ship, was rushed. Leading to lack of said destination.
Arat is just the name that was planned for whatever habitable planet the Ship could find.

Hence the name of the launch site back on Earth- Arat Prime. The first plow.

[bold dove]

The convo was about how I think the ARK's are pretty flawed, and the Genesis-ship was the right way to go.

[mental basin]

Both were doodoo shitty plans to begin with

The ARKs were built upon the assumption that Element would subside

The Genesis-Ship, despite being started BEFORE creation of the ARKs, was never properly finished

And has been wandering aimlessly for what have to be centuries with a crew that can't do jack about it

[bold dove]

Fair.
But my point was yeah, it was kind of dumb for them to assume the rapidly spreading alien virus to 'subside' after some time. Versus just dipping out.

[bold dove]

Ahh, but at least it found a destination and completed its job without outside help.

[mental basin]

My brother in Christ there were multiple generations born on the ship

In fact hold on hold on I have some interesting trivia one sec

[bold dove]

?

[mental basin]

In Ext, Helena states the System has existed for eons. How long is an eon? One billion years, kekeke. The System came AFTER the Genesis-Ship, even if shortly. So that would mean the Genesis-Ship would have been traveling the cosmos for, at the very least, 2 billion years at this point. How many generations would that be upon the Genesis-Ship?

66,666,666.6666666667

Helena you wacky autist

[bold dove]

Your point?

My point is that it atleast did its job without help.

[mental basin]

My point is that it took 66,666,666.6666666667 generations AT THE VERY LEAST to do so.
(It didn't, it's obviously retconned at this point, but I think it's funny.)

[bold dove]

Oh sure, and both are still absurd.
Buuuuuut.
Imagine how long it would've took for Corruption to naturally die off, if it even 'can' die off.

Also, they've been in space for billions of years with Element, and it still didn't do jack shit till Rockwell came around.
Which still leads me to think that Element 'caaaan' be safe, if you use it properly.

[mental basin]

I imagine over 2 billion years the planet would be entirely consumed. Like the planets we see in Genesis 2, that are like, frozen over, and 90% Element Corruption.

(How the HELL?!?!)

[bold dove]

How the hell what?

[mental basin]

Are there just entirely Corrupted planets that go unexplained in Gen 2

[mental basin]

Helena confirms this in Ext, she says there's a line, but it's thin.

[bold dove]

I don't think they're corrupted, cause wouldn't the rocks come with corrupted nodes or shit like that?
We get raw Element from them instead.

[mental basin]

Oversight, I dunno.

[bold dove]

I also forgot, but does it ever get confirmed if Element is inherently evil, or just doing what it gotta do?

[mental basin]

Element Corruption is driven by hatred iirc

Just like, hunger, anger, fear

That kinda philosophical junk

[bold dove]

Yes, but could that anger be evil, or it being scared of us using it constantly and burning it?

I always had the headcanon that Element is the most adaptably thing in the whole universe, adapting to a civilizations needs.
And since humanity was at war, it made itself into a substance that would be able to kill thousands, but was 'too' efficient at it.

[bold dove]

Element also appears to spread naturally without corruption, since there's the hundreds of years of Element farming after it crashed on Earth (since it did spread, just very little)
And then there's the stryders needing to clear out the ship of Element spreading, but no corruption.
So the planets in Genesis-2 may just be 'Element' infested planets, not corrupted planets.

[mental basin]

Maybe, dunno. It's on other planets too, probably.

It comes from space.

[gusty turret]

I thought the arks were built on the assumption that they could fight the element back to the point it was safe to bring them down

I still don't get why they didn't just return the arks instantly and purge absolutely everything and save a lot of lives

Or just without the arks and just purge it using some kinda funky drill or something

I know there wouldn't be a game if they did that but

[mental basin]

They... can't.

The Element needed to subside, it would overpower them.

And no, for the zillionth time, the ARKs weren't meant to get rid of the King Titan.

That was Helena's plan for us.

[sacred parcel]

The ARKs were going to land but the King Titan increased the element concentration on Earth so the ARKs wouldn’t land

[gusty turret]

But they c o u l d h a v e

He was quite literally made of element, what the arks were meant to purge

Or they could've just like put missiles on the arks tbh

Just nuke the planet with non element nukes

[bold dove]

The King-Titan didn't do shit when it comes to that.
Corruption itself did that.

[gusty turret]

Nuclear radiation would be a lot better to deal with than corruption

[bold dove]

Yeah, but here's an issue

Element is immune to radiation, as seen in Aberration.
If not, even thrive or even produce radiation.

[gusty turret]

But it would destroy anything remotely organic the corruption was attached to

[bold dove]

Sure, but then what about the giant ass spires, and the rapidly spreading infection that's still there?
And the titan's aren't organic (even though we get meat from them)
In-canon they're 100% pure Element, and are all Element.

[gusty turret]

Just like dunk on that corrupted raptor thats killed you one too many times

[sacred parcel]

There is where you went wrong, the King Titan is one the element’s pillars. A mere puppet for the element. So, in a way, it was the King Titan

[bold dove]

And while yeah, radiation does kill living tissue.
The issue is 'does corruption require living tissue?'
Cause for all we know, it could just be a Necromorph situation and just need a body as a whole.

[gusty turret]

I also bet if they weaponized the overseers instead of just using them to murder people they could've took on the king titan

[bold dove]

Nah man, the King Titan is a literal physical manifestation of Corruption.

[bold dove]

Okay, again, here's the thing.
The in-game universe does not do the in-canon universe any justice.
The King-Titan isn't just larger in the notes, but also resistant to almost any other form of damage other then other tek-based weapons from what it seemed like.

[gusty turret]

I would place my bets on like 100 shapeshifting freaks that shot element lasers everywhere versus overgrown geico commercial

They could shapeshift into an even more mega megamek

[bold dove]

Again, you're underestimating the in-canon King-Titan, due to him being a pushover in the game.

[bold dove]

The megamek required a very specific sequence, and required a living nervous system to operate.
And it was only made by Santiago 'after' they landed on Extinction.

[gusty turret]

It took an entire army of humans to barely get through a singular overseer

Even Nerva got rocked and he hid for most of it

[bold dove]

Oh, that's cause they weren't worthy and so the Overseer wopped their ass.

[sacred parcel]

The Tek Tribe sent a literal army against the King Titan and lost

[gusty turret]

I think if all the overseers worked together theyd make the king titan look like a joke

[gusty turret]

No?

[bold dove]

No they didn't?
Most of the tek-tribe died off after their first encounter with a corruption horde.

[sacred parcel]

A small army of Mek Pilots

[gusty turret]

I think there were a few that helped Diana get to Mei but i could be remembering that wrong?

[bold dove]

That wasn't an army.
That was 4 dudes

[sacred parcel]

I’m bad with Extinction lore. The one I’m worst with

[gusty turret]

I think thats true for most people

[bold dove]

It was just Mei, Helena, and Santiago that dealt with the titans.
All of the unnamed characters died off in the first few notes, cause they got over runed by corrupted creatures.

[gusty turret]

Santiago barely even dealt with them he just kind of led them away

Mei using dinos put in most of the work

[bold dove]

If a handmade bootleg bomb can permanently kill an overseer, not even go into a ball form, flat out 'kill' it.
Then I don't think the King-Titan, that's in-canon like twice his in-game size will have much of an issue just stomping them, or calling a meteor from the sky and crushing them.

[bold dove]

He didn't lead them away, he did fight them.
Mei and Helena ran away, while Santiago stayed in the now overran Sanctuary.

[gusty turret]

Oh i thought he ran off and got them to follow him so Mei and Diana could be safe

[bold dove]

Diana was still dead at that time

[gusty turret]

Helena not Diana

Their names sound remotely similar

[bold dove]

It was Mei and Helena.
And no, they ran off to eventually find a device that Helena put into her arm, to become a Homo-Deus.

[mental basin]

They couldn't have.

They were locked by the Reseed Protocol.

Even if they did make it down, like I said, they'd be overwhelmed with the power of the Corruption.

It's suicide.

[gusty turret]

Then they should've just put more resources into the system for purging

[bold dove]

Also, the ARK's don't seem like they wipe within theirselves, so if one corrupted creature slips into the dome, they're all fucked.

[mental basin]

Nah, they could. Obelisks, remember.

But they have literally no need to.

[gusty turret]

But they could

All im hearing is that its possible it just didn't happen

[mental basin]

I'M gonna KILL this BOT

[mental basin]

Then you're not listening hard enough.

[bold dove]

Kind of like talking to a brick wall

[gusty turret]

You're being too loud

Shhhh people are sleeping

This is funny

[mental basin]

I hate this bot

[bold dove]

We all do

[mental basin]

Deactivate yourself... NOW!!! ⛈️

[gusty turret]

Thats mean

Poor bot

[bold dove]

Yes, the bot is poor

[gusty turret]

You'll see when the robots gain feelings

[lyric tendon]

without the Mei Note in Ext, we dont know if they brought tames from Ab or they tamed themselves, all we know so far is they use meks

[bold dove]

'Mei has notes on Extinction'

[lyric tendon]

wait

[bold dove]

Extinction has 5 authors.

Helena, Santiago, Mei, Diana, and The-One-Who-Waits

[mental basin]

6, actually.

HLN-A.

[rain dock]

Fred too

[bold dove]

I was trying to keep the canon ones.

[bold dove]

Who the fuck is Fred?

[mental basin]

Reword that please God reword that Slime rewirdsthatbvsvxbx

HLN-A info is canon

[rain dock]

Fred is like the embodyment of inserted chaos

[bold dove]

The one's that're canonically on the map

[mental basin]

I am going to hyperventilate and die thank you

[bronze turtle]

for school i have to make up questions for french, so one was:

Waht is this character:

Bob
B0B
Bog
Dog

[bold dove]

You fucking knew what I meant. 🤣

[mental basin]

[swift gale]

Same tbh

[brazen sparrow]

HLN-A's are canon, we've been over this 🤦‍♂️

[frail dragon]

7. Corrupted master controller in hlnas notes

[gusty turret]

8. Me

Sorry i thought we were just counting

[bold dove]

Yes, we have.

The details they give off are canon, but their appearances on the maps aren't until Genesis 1-2.

[brazen sparrow]

Well, duh

We can't go into the simulated versions of those maps until we ourselves are in the simulation, that's common knowledge

[bold dove]

Ahh, so you just didn't read the full convo.

[bold dove]

.

[brazen sparrow]

The way you worded it initially was dumb and you should feel bad 😈

[bold dove]

The way you glossed over the convo like how I gloss over your text is dumb, and you should feel bad.

[brazen sparrow]

I read the full convo lmao

It had no bearing on my decision to critique your poor wording

[bold dove]

Sorry I have issues and sometimes slipup on my wording.
Do I fuck up 'that' badly that you have the need to make a big-deal out of it 'after' you've already read the full convo, and make me feel bad for it?
Cause now I'm thinking if I did worded it right the first time, non of this would've happened.

[gusty turret]

The real question is are we in the simulation the entire time and what if we're still in the simulation when we beat Rockwell

Kinda like some inception rick and morty type shit

[arctic bison]

🫵 👉 🚪

[gusty turret]

N o

[arctic bison]

i will redo the roman betrayal of Caesar on you if you don't

[bold dove]

Please do.

[arctic bison]

🗡️

[gusty turret]

I'll curse you to do alpha downriver run for all of eternity if you do

[low briar]

Actually savage

[arctic bison]

more relaxing then looking at all these chats, i will gladly do you in like Caesar

[gusty turret]

I'll make the hitboxes slightly larger than they should be so you hit obstacles theres no way you should hit

Oh wait its already like that

[arctic bison]

hit reg is already bad enough lol, won't make a difference

[gusty turret]

Im playing the long game here you'll go insane eventually

You can only lose 1 second away from the finish lines so many times before going mad

[arctic bison]

i'm already insane, you can't win trying with the physic mind games

[low briar]

Cross the finish line with two seconds to spare, just to have the server snap back to slamming into that awful last turn

[bronze turtle]

I know how reapers originated. My theory is that the ark universe went through a wormhole coused by element to the ALIEN universe, and that a meteor or some kind of space debris was able to crash onto abberation because the shields were down after the "kill the overseer" incedent, and that debris had a few xenomorphs on it. these xenomorphs in turn went down into the cave system.

[bold dove]

The fuck are you on about?

Are you being ironic, or unironic?

[bronze turtle]

Once they were down in the ark they started using the large carnivores as hosts, such as allos, rexes, etc. thats why they look kind of like xeno/rex hybrids

[bold dove]

Please tell me you're being ironic.

[arctic bison]

🚪🫵 🤨

[bronze turtle]

hey, it kinda makes sense if you think about it

[bold dove]

Not at fucking all

[arctic bison]

no, now get out

[bold dove]

None of that was even 'remotely' close

[bronze turtle]

geez, sorry

my most sincere apologies

[bold dove]

Xenomorph's are just their internal name.
It's a funny 'haha' gag at aliens, nothing more.

Their actual origins are pretty lackluster though.
Since they're just made by the ARK's as another apex predator, no different then a Giga.

[bronze turtle]

but the ark was basically dead and couldnt make any new life forms

[bold dove]

That's a lie.

The ARK still runs, it just doesn't have an overseer.

Obelisks though can act as a replacement.
And then there's the fact of Rockwell being the new overseer.

[bronze turtle]

so did rockwell uses his "highly dexterous" massive tentacles to make them?

[arctic bison]

no, they already existed before rockwell transformed

[dim peak]

what is a transhuman

[bold dove]

No

[bold dove]

Iirr, basically highly augmented humans.
They're the prototype of what later would be the Homo-Deus's

[dim peak]

so they're humans with high level of iq?

do they have emotions

[bold dove]

Some, if I recall. But they're mostly thinking of the practicality of stuff.

[gusty turret]

They're just people who wanted to modify themselves with technology

They still had emotions and were the same as everyone else

[mental basin]

Hah

Tell that to Uma

[gusty turret]

Since when was Uma emotionless 😭

[bold dove]

When she made Santiago go through a simulation of his own death hundreds, if not thousands of times to understand what what's-his-name said before he pulled a funny prank

[mental basin]

Also not telling him he was cloned.

And being a general asshat.

[gusty turret]

That doesn't mean shes emotionless

And Santiago didn't even act like he cared about the simulation part so why should we?

[bold dove]

You're right.
She's isn't emotionless, cause she had none from the start

[gusty turret]

"Uma actually seemed glad to see me back in my office again this morning.

She asked if I'd give her a full situation report on our biome decisions over dinner, and I was only too happy to cut out early for a fancy meal.

Figured I'd earned that much, breaking up all those arguments over nematode diversity.

Uma even grinned when I shared my pain over ancho-rubbed ribeyes and merlot."

[bold dove]

You know what 'manipulation' is, right?

[gusty turret]

"There's no recognizable human emotion on her avatar's face, but maybe that's just a glitch in my emulated perception.

Then Uma surprises me by apologizing-for keeping secrets, and for failing to keep me safe.

She thanks me for all the work I've done for Genesis, and wishes future versions of me better luck when and wherever they wake up.

I tell her, "Don't worry about me-I'm a survivor."

That actually gets a smile out of her.

I try to hold onto this feeling as she shuts me down."

Hes already dead in this one there would be no point in manipulating or hiding anything from him

[bold dove]

Unless there's something she knows that we don't.

[gusty turret]

So it's just speculation?

[bold dove]

Yep, like 90% of ARK's lore

[gusty turret]

Most of it is pretty set in stone from what i recall

All of the characters probably know something we dont

[bold dove]

You just proved my point.

[gusty turret]

Its just us speculating though so why does what we think matter if its baseless?

[mental basin]

Nono, she has emotions.

She just doesn't let them truly show until, I dunno

Santiago got turned into Raisin Bran

Kablooey

[bold dove]

So it took someone being bombed for her to show emotions?
That stills sounds like a lack of emotions in its own right.

[mental basin]

That's what I'm saying

[gusty turret]

You can't forget they were kinda all under a lot of pressure with the whole corruption thing you can't really blame anyone for being cold towards other people

[mental basin]

I dunno Yongki seemed pretty chill until he did not seem very chill

"Woke up feeling a li'l quirky today, I think I'm gonna bomb the Genship Database."

[bold dove]

If you're under pressure, then that would 'show' more emotions then less, with frustration, fear, sadness, etc.

[mental basin]

No, not really. Some people show lack of emotion under stress.

It just depends on the person.

[gusty turret]

You can't group behavior in something as unpredictable as humanity

[bold dove]

Fair.

[gusty turret]

She was also a higher ranking person on the ship than Yongki i believe she probably would've known more about what was actually happening compared to him and have more reason to be stressed

[brazen sparrow]

The whole time?

[arctic bison]

your shift in #ark-2 is starting, i'm taking a day off 🫵

[gusty turret]

Helena Walker? More like Helena Flyer, am i right?

Helena.... Floater?

Idk what you would consider what she does

Helena Waiter

[mental basin]

Helena Shitter

[glad crow]

Is that you insulting her or just describing the amount of time she studies dinosaur faeces?

[lyric tendon]

both

[thin tide]

Right so I’m learning slowly. How did Rockwell get from the island to scorched earth?

[lyric tendon]

He Ascended like any other normal human being...

Except he is hiding in a pillar somewhere while Nerva and his army do the actual boss fighting

Also he touched a panel or two after said boss fight

[thin tide]

That makes much more sense, I didn’t think Rockwell was actively combating bosses

[gusty turret]

Everyone loved him for his recipes and discoveries so they kinda just let him do whatever

[gusty turret]

This is a random question that i barely consider lore related but its too scientific to ask any other chat so, is it safe to assume the big crash the tek suit makes when charging is it breaking the sound barrier?

Im no scientist so idk what exactly thats like but its what it made me think of

[glad crow]

This is just speculation but, isn't that too slow for a sound barrier? If the arks did something to the atmosphere that changed it I presume we couldn't live in it very well. They probably could have, considering the Dino's can breathe, but the next question would be why?

[rain dock]

It's probably supposed to be soundbarrier, but it is too slow. Like way too slow

[gusty turret]

Someone needs to do the math of how fast a tek suit actually is

Like using the dimensions of the map, timing how long it takes to get across and working from there

[rain dock]

It's like maybe 20mph or less I think

[brazen sparrow]

Lore-wise, it is supposed to be breaking the sound barrier iirc, but obviously that'd be broken as hell lmao

[lyric tendon]

given the simulated atmosphere is constant or the same as earth's then yes the Tek Suit boom is the same as a traditional Jet Fighter boom

as for being "too slow", i mean... if you look planes from afar, they looked slow but it's not

the Tek Jet is designed a kin to the fighter planes of the Tek People, so it kinda makes sense that the Tek Jet do that

[velvet nest]

So the speed is greater than the speed of sound?

[rain dock]

Supposed to be

But just barely

[mental basin]

There is a lifeless and frozen corpse hidden at 27.2 16.5 on The Island.

[gusty turret]

I think lifeless and corpse make it like a double negative so it cancels out and its just frozen

There is a copy of the hit movie frozen hidden at 27.2 16.5 on the island

I don't get why anyone says lifeless corpse like i would sure hope the corpse is lifeless if not im 90% sure it is no longer a corpse

[rain dock]

I mean, its a bit morbid, but right after death a corpse can seem very lifelike

[gusty turret]

But its not about what they're like it's about what they are

A corpse is objectively dead

[glad crow]

But if you can describe a corpse as life-like, lifeless is valid.

[gusty turret]

Lifelike and lifeless are almost polar opposites though

[glad crow]

Exactly.

[gusty turret]

Lifelike representing or imitating real life
Lifeless dead or apparently dead
Corpse a dead body, especially of a human being rather than an animal.

So a dead dead body vs a dead body that looks alive

It just doesn't make practical sense to use

[glad crow]

It looks dead, or it looks alive, but either way it is dead.

[gusty turret]

But a corpse is objectively dead so theres no reason to describe it as being dead a second time or looking dead because it is just dead

[glad crow]

But it shows you that it isn't life-like.

[gusty turret]

But unless its described as lifelike it should be a given that it isn't

[glad crow]

Like if you saw a corpse that was life-like, you might not be sure they were dead.

[gusty turret]

If someone pointed out a dead body to me and said it was a dead dead body that looked dead i would probably punch them in the face

[glad crow]

But a lifeless one you would be.

Because at first glance you can't always tell if someone is dead.

But if they are clearly lifeless you are.

[gusty turret]

But its a corpse so we already know its dead

This is so much lore

[gusty turret]

This is your fault

[glad crow]

Cursed general as they say.

Anyway, this is based off of the assumption that you can't use redundant adjectives. Even if lifeless was redundant, you could still likely use it.

[gusty turret]

Double descriptors are usually frowned upon i thought?

Or at least double negatives as i would consider lifeless and corpse to be

[glad crow]

It's not a double negative, as it doesn't result in the opposite conclusion.

You can describe a fire as hot.

Also we are debating grammar in a place where few even use periods and capitals.

[gusty turret]

Punctuating over text always makes it hard to decipher the tone of the message unless you just know the person really well

[lyric tendon]

not sure if this is ARK Lore or English Lesson

[gusty turret]

It was ark lore I think

Actually I don't think the dead body in the ice actually counts as lore

Stel was just being silly goofy then i turned it into an English lesson which didn't make sense because English doesn't make sense

[summer drum]

remember when the velociraptor hot diarrhoea'd on the t-rex head lmao xD

[mental basin]

[bronze turtle]

santiago main character of ark 2? isnt there an area in extinction named santiagos grave

[lyric tendon]

different kind of santiago

if Ext's Santiago is Santiago.jpg

Gen2's Vin Santiago is Santiago - copy (2).jpg

because the Feds loves to mess with this specific Tek guy in particular

[mental basin]

Err no

Gen2 is Santiago 4.0

[mental basin]

balls

[brazen sparrow]

Ah, so here is where the stupid rant took place. Life finds a way, I guess

[mental basin]

¿

[bold dove]

What happened?

[mental basin]

If you're referring to me, how is explaining the lore to a newbie in-depth stupid..??

[brazen sparrow]

No, the stupid rant I referred to in #ark-2 , but even then it wasn't super relevant to the one that took place here over lifeless/lifelike so just ignore me lol

[mental basin]

Ohhh

Goofy ahh debate

[brazen sparrow]

Really was

[bold dove]

What was the debate?

[mental basin]

I gave coords to a frozen corpse on The Island
People debated whether or not saying 'lifeless, frozen corpse' was accurate or inaccurate

[bold dove]

[brazen sparrow]

Read up a few, it's over descriptive terms and how davaydg doesn't agree to societal norms on them like everyone else (SteL and Lung were right on this one, sorry davay)

[bold dove]

It's a fucking dead body, they're all accurate.

[brazen sparrow]

It's like saying a hot cooked tv dinner is proper, sure it sounds weird, but it makes sense when you break it down

[bold dove]

''NoLifeMcFucky" is accurate, since they are, in fact, dead.

[brazen sparrow]

Is it hot? Yes
Is it cooked? Yes
is it a tv dinner? Yes
So all the above apply

[bold dove]

So the whole argument was literally about who was right, even though they're all accurate?

[brazen sparrow]

Basically, it was over the fact of if lifeless and corpse cancel eachother out via the double negative rule, which they don't

End of story

[bold dove]

B-b....but a corpse is lifeless, and usually a lifeless body is a corpse?

They're the same.

[mental basin]

Ah yes
I found a lifeless in my bathtub this morning

It does not work

[bold dove]

Yes, but in context to a frozen man in a mountain not working, it works for both.

Wait a minute, are you really trying to stir up this shit again in here?

[mental basin]

Me?

[mental basin]

Literally all I said was:

(There is in fact a lifeless and frozen corpse hidden at 27.2 16.5 on The Island.)

[bold dove]

I meant in the context of this

And yeah, I know that.
That's very, very old news

There's bodies all around the blue-obelisk mountain

[mental basin]

Sí, but this one is very well hidden. I doubt many people have seen this one.

[bold dove]

Same with inside the ice-cave

[mental basin]

They're all the same model iirc but still

[bold dove]

Fair, but isn't there like 5 all around the mountain?

[mental basin]

I've also found 2 ruins in the snow without Explorer Notes..???

[bold dove]

Wished ARK had more achievements.
Would be cool finding all of the dead-bodies gives you a "Dead-men tell no tales" achievement

[mental basin]

I asked the devs about DLC Achievements

They said there's no plans

Even though The Center of all Maps gets an Achievement

[bold dove]

I did also

Same response.

That was like two years ago

[bold dove]

Yeah, that was probably when they where in the mood for them

But with the UE5 upgrade, I don't see why they shouldn't add more Achievements?

Sure, you can argue that it's a waste of time.
But so if porting a nearly 8 year old game to a new engine when the sequel is supposedly coming out the same year.

[mental basin]

We should bug them about it in Twitter replies

[bold dove]

YES!

[mental basin]

Like honestly it's not that hard to put 'em in

Even if it's just for basic stuff like 'Defeat Rockwell Prime'

[bold dove]

Not as hard as porting a 7 year old game to a new engine

[bold dove]

Okay, but give it obviously a cool name

[mental basin]

Saviour of Thine Stars

[bold dove]

I was thinking "A new genesis for all" but sure.

[mental basin]

Or just the Mission name

Terminus
Which is a really cool parallel people don't talk about

Terminus is the exact opposite of Genesis

[bold dove]

Yep, it's a clever play on words

Terminus is still my favorite mission, since it's the only one that actually felt like a 'story' mission

[mental basin]

Sí, Ced kinda overhyped them

[bold dove]

Yeah.....

I need to find the clip, but you remember when he said the inside of the ship would been explorable?

[mental basin]

YES

And it would be corrupted by Rockwell

[bold dove]

Only time you step outside of the rings was Terminus.

[mental basin]

Sí, and in -Space-
Which is a weird name for the Biome

It's like actually just -Space-

[bold dove]

Yeah

As much as I love Genesis-2, it still feels lackluster for a finale.

[mental basin]

I've got something to DM you hold on

[bold dove]

I just wished the missions took place within the different parts of the ship, then in the simulation. And the story and plot was treated as it was in Terminus then just "We gotta play red light, green light to get the engines back on."

[bold dove]

As you wish.

Wow, either I'm glad ARK's motif is spreading to other tracks, or whatever that was.

[lyric tendon]

Wait wat

Share

[mental basin]

'Sniper's Eyes' - Dr Stone

It's a song.

[lyric tendon]

i dont hear ARK from that

[mental basin]

How.

It's got the Extinction motif.

[lyric tendon]

when people say "The ARK leif motif", most people think it's the Main Menu (and the event variants, and i think the Gen 2 ending) one

[mental basin]

Nay, t'was Extinction Ascension.

[lyric tendon]

ah the lesser known song because KT before Alpha is hard as shite and we mostly know the KT boss song more

[mental basin]

¿

[gusty turret]

I only know the main menu music because its what always makes my eardrums bleed every single time i open the game because they decided to make it break the sound barrier as soon as you get to the main menu screen

[hollow ruin]

ok reallly quickly can someone explain to me why did rockwell inject himself with element

[compact fulcrum]

Hey quick lore question, after the aberration ascending cinematic with Helena, what does it mean when she gets her memories back

[hollow ruin]

idk but my gues would be that since shes been sent into the arks she had lost her memories and then wehn coming back to hearth she regains the memories that were kept there

maybe??? idrk

[compact fulcrum]

That’s cool

[mental basin]

He thought it would make him a God. He was obsessed with Element, and wanted to be one with it, more or less.

[compact fulcrum]

She better familiarize herself with them cuz I’m gonna be there for the next decade

[mental basin]

Being a Homo Deus means constant information intake about everything, everywhere, all at once, all the time. That's why they fade away, and lose their personalities, turning into husks of themselves. Helena's memories had gotten buried under everything else, in a sense.

[hollow ruin]

ooooo ok

makes sense

[mental basin]

But when The Ones Who Try Again came around, she dug through her old memories. She didn't even consider herself Helena anymore at that point.

[native hill]

Confushion

[mental basin]

Yup. She did a little soul-searching and decided she was still Helena, deep down.

Then she remembered everything, yadda yadda.

[native hill]

I love helena but she messes with the emotes

[mental basin]

?

Souka

[native hill]

Cant hear the "woah"

[hollow ruin]

Who th is the one who tries again

[mental basin]

That's us. All of us. Every single player to have ever played ARK.

We're special, because The One Who Waits gave us the ability to... try again. That's why we have that name.

She's why we can respawn.

After a ton of trial and error, though.

The One Who Waits - Helena
The Ones Who Try Again - All of us

[hollow ruin]

ye that i know

ok cool thnx

[brazen sparrow]

The One* Who Tries* Again

Canonically one person, not multiple

[mental basin]

No.

Helena says 'Ones'

And she says 'ALL of us'

Read le Notes again

[fierce nest]

What’s the map order to finish the ark story correctly?

[mental basin]

The Island, Scorched, Ab, Ext, Gen1, Gen2

Other Maps aren't canon

[fierce nest]

I thought scorched had no story

[mental basin]

It does. Not too heavy, but is kind of important for Ab in some ways.

Scorched teaches us about the nature of the Obelisks.

[fierce nest]

Ah so is it worth it to progress and complete the story?

[mental basin]

Sí, it's a fun map too. Gives extra Levels now too.

[fierce nest]

Because I was thinking of doing that

Isn’t the max lvl cap like 185 now?

[fallow sapphire]

For characters? Isn’t it like 205 now?

[mental basin]

Ye maybe idk

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah it was 190 before scorched ascension, so 205 now

[glad crow]

Checked my facts and deleted the message.

[bold dove]

No one

We will 'NEVER' refer to that name ever again

It was used once, and it will never be used again.

We are the 'Survivors.'

[lament raft]

it's a reference to how survivors respawn and keep trying

a little too wordy

[bold dove]

No shit, Sherlock

[lament raft]

rude

[bold dove]

No shit.

[lament raft]

i was adding that for whoever asked

[bold dove]

And yeah, the wordiness of is one reason why I hated it.
That, and it just felt hella demeaning.

[gusty turret]

I think the one who engages in fisticuffs with trees would've been better

[bold dove]

Wordy, but kind of encouraging.

[mental basin]

The one who raises incestuous breeding lines, mass murders babies, eats their own shit, forces cannibalism, partakes in self cannibalism, etc

Gameplay accurate moniker

[gusty turret]

The one who metaphorically and literally eats shit multiple times

[bold dove]

Very wordy, but encouraging.

[golden silo]

My theory is that all the creatures are mind controlled by the ark god sent to kill people but they become your friend after showing them mercy that the ark god did not show them

Thoughts?

[arctic bison]

🚪 👈

[bold dove]

Get out

[golden silo]

I would not trust a mind controlled dodo by the ark god that could be out to kill you

[bold dove]

Okay, jokes aside. Are you being ironic or unironic?

[mental basin]

Noglin

[lyric tendon]

Noglin

[sacred parcel]

Noglin

[gusty turret]

I still hate how they worded Gabriel getting mind controlled

[brazen sparrow]

But one thought crept into my mind after observing your stated theory: the fuck?

[lyric tendon]

Gaberiel has been noglin'd

[gusty turret]

It was written like an angsty teens wattpad fanfiction

And if you say otherwise you're lying to yourself

[gentle pawn]

question here. did anyone else cry when they heard the aberrant Rockwell record #30? for who could blame him to wish to not be doomed to be alone?

for that is one of the most human wishes out in the plane of existance

[glad crow]

Rockwell can be surprisingly touching sometimes.

[gentle pawn]

ik

it makes it all the more heartbreaking when he falls

[glad crow]

He was the survivor who survived the longest. I'd say he just thought outside the box.

[gentle pawn]

indeed, but those thoughts were all the more dangerous the more he like them

which in the end got the better of the great survivor, in which he lead a dark and lonely path

[rain dock]

He is alone because he took space drugs and murdered everyone. So not much sympathy lol

[brazen sparrow]

The ending of Gen 2 is the only time I legitimately cried playing Ark, not because of HLN-A "dying", but solely because of the power and emotion behind David Tennant's voice acting for the character and the way that he really kinda AMAZINGLY sells that the true Rockwell is shining through here in his final moments, and feels what few villains in videogames are portrayed as feeling; remorse for their actions. Ignoring the fact that he was under the control (at those points, I.E. the murderin' and the subjugation of many) of Element, even before he became one with it he did some ethically questionable things and it really seems that he is remorseful in those final moments and it shines through that he truly didn't want to be as evil as he ended up becoming. Whew, thanks for coming to my TED Talk lmao

[rain dock]

Maybe I am callous, but I typically don't have sympathy for "villains" or "heros" in stories. Generally they are all the same bunch of ethically questionable one dimensional ideas lol

Like yeah Rockwell felt remorse, but feeling remorse never has and never will right wrongs that someone commits.

[brazen sparrow]

That's why I like the tragic villain, the ones that have a sad backstory that lead to them becoming a villain and may even give them a hint of a redemption arc later on down the line. I guess another term similar enough would be anti-hero, like those too

But not when it's like the cringey hardass anti-hero who's just a piece of shit for the sake of being so, those suck ass

[rain dock]

Yeah, I don't know what it is with conventional "antiheros" they are all just villains lol

Then again most heros are too lol

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, this is sadly the age of unoriginality

Everyone has to copy everyone else, as long as it's where the money is

[rain dock]

I would say it's the age of ethical flexability lol.

[brazen sparrow]

S'why I'm glad Ark 2 is going to (hopefully) be as original as the first one

[brazen sparrow]

Good way to put it, to be sure 😅

[rain dock]

As long as people can relate to some tennet of the character'scharacter they feel like they are a hero or at least an antihero

[lyric tendon]

that is a late note added for the update

it kinda send me mixed messages after how completely ignorant rockwell is throughout the notes in Ab

instead of reconciliation when he is still a human, he still berated Mei and Helena, thinks the Tek Scientists are morons for not letting do what he want despite the literal OSHA violation and animal abuse that he will commit, and manipulated Diana to do what he want after he actually made the charge lantern

the add on note is just a bit off character for him for somehow apologizing Helena, Mei, Diana... and Santiago for some reason yet double down being his typical villainy again "to become a god" afterwards with Gen 2

[rain dock]

Bro was a whole mess of problems lol

[lyric tendon]

writing wise... yes

[brazen sparrow]

Note 30 has always been there, what are you on about lmao

The voicing of it means little, it's moreso an easter egg than anything else, and shows that somewhere, deep down, the real Rockwell is still there

[lyric tendon]

i dont think so

also i dont think so

the real Rockwell is already a manipulative prick from the start, it's stems from his jealousy of his peers back when he is still alive
the only person who is his moral compass and mental health check is Heather (which we will never see in the anime... sadge)

[brazen sparrow]

Well, I know so

[brazen sparrow]

There you go, spouting misinformation and headcanon as fact, again

[lyric tendon]

then explain, dont give me buzzwords

[brazen sparrow]

I really sincerely wish I could take what you say seriously, but either way the fact of the matter is that we don't know if his little helpers will appear in the show, I'd imagine they will as that'd be a rather egregiously large plothole, but I'm not going to instantly assume they will, let alone that they won't, of all things

He also isn't a bad person from the start, but you do you booboo

[lyric tendon]

he is no kind person either, he only sees helena as his equal until he never give a chance for helena to explain why she sidequested with Mei "without his knowledge"

like i just said, he is a jealous person

[pseudo nimbus]

🚬

[rain dock]

He isn't a good person either. He is just a big diplomat with no scruples

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, more of a true neutral kinda guy until the end of Island leading into Scorched

[rain dock]

He's not really neutral lol

[gusty turret]

Reading this channel is like watching an American news channel

[lyric tendon]

he do whatever he thinks it's advantageous to him and his scientific goals

[bronze forge]

Real

[arctic bison]

'screw HLN-A, all my homies hate HNL-A'
this post was made by the rockwell fan club

[bold dove]

TED-talk? More like a Tek-Talk!
HAhaha...ha.......ha...

HLN-A would've laughed if she was here.

[eager raft]

Honestly i dont really get the HateLN-A mindset like my brother in christ that is a robot

[bold dove]

The hate stems from a companion no one asked for.
But not many people know you can mute her

[eager raft]

ohh that would make sense yeah

[bold dove]

If more people knew about the muting mechanic, then she might not be as hated, but it's kind of hidden

I love HLN-A, but some of that love has dissipated with the new voice-actress.

I just do not care for Madelene as much as the original voice-actress.

[eager raft]

Fr

Honestly imo og va was much better

[mental basin]

Og VA fit better, but was directed to be too energetic, therefore annoying to a lot of people.

New VA does a good job in Gen2, but in Gen1 she just sounds depressed and unenthused.

I've been told they re-recorded her lines since the first go, but I don't play Gen1 so I dunno.

[gusty turret]

I never pay attention to what she actually sounds like i just know she talks a lot

Yes HLNA i know about the ship jumping from star system to star system scanning for habitable worlds

[bronze turtle]

I wonder if there will be something more special about the new planet we're on or just a cool planet

[fallow sapphire]

The positive of deciding ark 2 would be on a new planet is they can do anything they want (generally). They aren’t tied to the same rules the would be if they were to make ark 2 on earth

[jaunty pawn]

ikr

[arctic bison]

i can't wait for a new ''did rockwell make the reapers and nameless?'' situation to happen with the Aratai, while clearly natives to Arat some people will probably make absurd theories about their origins, wich is clearly being the native humanoid species of Arat

it's gonna happen eventually anyway, it's inevitable

[glad crow]

But what if Rockwell decided we don't have enough plot holes, teleported to Arat and made some almost humans before returning to the ship?

[pseudo nimbus]

I'll handle them

[brazen sparrow]

It's really not, you just have to have eyes and more than ten braincells, which as we know is hard to do both at the same time for Ark players

[arctic bison]

only reason i kinda hate HNL-A is bc of the voiceline spam during gen 1 missions mainly

[brazen sparrow]

I can understand the hate when both she and Rockwell had their lines repeat over and over again, sometimes repeating over eachother in Gen 2, specifically the 4-5 lines in the innards biome (which, as an X-Reaper enthusiast, was very annoying for me admittedly)

But nowadays, since they fixed the "note" lines repeating in Gen 2, I think it's fine tbh

[arctic bison]

yh same, i just found the voice spam going ''take a look at this'' ''scanning'' and ''huh, would you look at that'' at the same time a tad much all at once

[gusty turret]

For me it was just the jumping from star system to star system scanning for habitable worlds

[fallow sapphire]

See this is what annoyed me too, but not throughout missions (though it was annoying) but when the prints to follow bugged out and would no longer appear, so you’d be in your own personal hell of her recycling the same lines over and over while retracing steps to find the one print you missed

[gusty turret]

You're bleeding all over the place! Was another bad one

Like thanks i couldn't tell a giga just bit me in half

[bold dove]

I do love though that she can say "Git Gud, survivor" when you die

[brazen sparrow]

I loved the death quips the most I think

[warm osprey]

And “oh f***” when you finish gen 1

[bold dove]

They did, but she still sounds fucking dead inside

[mental basin]

Christ of course

[bold dove]

And yeah, she was a bit too energetic. But I feel like that contrasted well with the plot.
Genesis starts off as a goofy dumb simulation, while slowly becoming more and more destroyed due to Rockwell's influence, and so HLN-A actually needs to start getting serious.
And pre-Genesis-2 lore, she was just created not long before Genesis-1, so she acted as a energetic newborn with the intelligence of a god.

[mental basin]

I think it has to be representative of her earlier days of creation, being a monotone, lifeless ai

I say this because in the ending of Gen2 she did the whole, "I was just an ai, but I gained true emotions yadda yadda"

Not to say she ever was TRULY an ai, but she... uh...

You know what I mean right?

[bold dove]

Genesis lore be like-

[mental basin]

She gained her own identity that wasn't just "Funny-fragment-of-Helena-bot"

[bold dove]

"Oh yeah, I'm an AI, but I have the emotions and memories of Helena, but I'm an AI so I'm lifeless, but I gain emotions even though I already had Helena's emotions"

[mental basin]

Also Santiago dragging out his death in Ext

"See you later... D."
The in Gen2 he goes "I wouldn't call myself superstitious, I'm more of a science guy."

[bold dove]

I love Genesis, but fuck did the lore and plot feel lackluster sometimes

[mental basin]

Like dude PICK a SIDE

[bold dove]

The problem with replacing writers/not bothering doing research on the lore before you come in/not having enough time to do so due to year long crunches.

Like c'mon, they develop massive DLC's in a years time. You can't tell me there isn't 'some' crunches.

[mental basin]

It's super fucking funny to me THAT EVERYTHING Santiago says is foreshadowing

In Ext, he predicted the Element Corruption being his fault

Also in Ext, he mentions society being unable to share two planets

In Gen2 he says they found signs of life in space, but not enough to prove anything huge

And he also said that Uma predicted Element was a gift from beyond.....

I think there's more examples, but I forgot them

[bold dove]

"not to prove anything huge"
Even fucking though we have space dolphins that defy what we know about ecosystems

[mental basin]

They didn't find those back then though

I'm referring to the Aratai, because he goes on a whole, "Maybe we aren't the only ones out here..." tangent. Like, NO SHIT, you're KILLING a SPECIES in ARK2

[bold dove]

Also, with the Corruption being his fault. He didn't predict it, he probably just knew since "me make funny element weapons + mass destruction + pollution = Dead-Earth"

[bold dove]

Fair

[mental basin]

It was a theory of his
Even though it was obvious it was still a theory

And the sharing two planets... c'mon

[bold dove]

But also, isn't Element alien in origin?
So how the fuck do they not know there's something else in theory, if Element can exist?

[mental basin]

That is a direct tie to ARK 2

An example of GOOD writing

[mental basin]

Element is an element
Aratai are carbon-based lifeforms

[bold dove]

Yeah, which is the few parts of the Genesis lore I liked.

[mental basin]

There's a big difference

[bold dove]

Element is also giant ass titan sized lifeforms

[mental basin]

They weren't around back then

They were like, right towards the VERY end iirc

They were the last straw

[bold dove]

No?
I thought they where right before humanity died off

[mental basin]

Sí, that's what I'm saying
The VERY end

[bold dove]

Ahh right, if it was at the very end, no one would know cause they're fucking dead

[mental basin]

Wym

[junior surge]

Didnt the lore say the titans awoken or did it just say they appeared during the genesis ship launch or the arks launching?

[mental basin]

Neither

They just
Became one day

[bold dove]

If the titans appeared at the end, then no one would know about Element being able to form into actual lifeforms, cause all of the people who knew are dead now due to said titans

[mental basin]

They are-
The only people who know are the Ext Survivors, HelenaDeus, HLN-A and Rockwell

[junior surge]

I remember they appeared sometime around when humanity were either just done finalizing the ark protocol or the genesis ship launch i dont remember which

[mental basin]

In fact
Nobody aboard Genesis ever mentions them

I think, OH ACTUALLY

Remember the Ext Tekxt hanging in the city?

[bold dove]

Right, which is years later after their existance

[mental basin]

The Titans came around right around the Genesis-Ship launch

[mental basin]

.

"Launch unconfirmed, quarantine, stock supplies, etc"

[bold dove]

Right, so they where formed after the ship launched.

[mental basin]

Around then, yes

And... the rest is history

[junior surge]

And the ark launch happened after the ship launch right?

[mental basin]

Sí

[bold dove]

I just wished they had more time with Genesis 1-2 then fucking rush DLC's within a year deadline

[junior surge]

High demand from the playerbase often causes lore to kinda get skipped over, like rockwell somehow getting on the ship from his arrival to earth via the arrival protocol

[bold dove]

It isn't just lore, but gameplay elements as well