#lore-nerdz

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mental basin
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Here's your not listening star. ⭐

brazen sparrow
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Well, obviously there's going to be more than just Santiago's engram stored on the Genesis ship, the store page description proves as much

mental basin
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I'm saying AFTER Extinction, when the reseed happens. Because Edmund is already aboard by the time HLN-A is on there.

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So AFTER the reseed, it would be 8 years with HLN-A in the Sim.

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8 years with some possibilities-

brazen sparrow
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Maybe Mei-Yin and Diana's "current" consciousness are on the ship

mental basin
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That's one

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Or Helena is leading them somewhere else

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"Others need me, and your path leads beyond my reach"

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The others are quite obviously Mei and Diana, but what do they need Helena FOR is the question

brazen sparrow
mental basin
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Name some.

brazen sparrow
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🤦‍♂️

mental basin
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No no, go ahead. Name some.

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I am fully attentive.

brazen sparrow
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You're the one who needs to go back and read some notes, it seems

mental basin
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Your argument is falling apart.

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I've named where I've gotten my info from, the best thing you have is "No you're wrong."

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Explain. iseer

brazen sparrow
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How so? Lmao, just because I'm taking my time to find a note to link you to? Get tf outta here, now I'm not gonna waste my time on you, bye

mental basin
bold dove
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I fucking hate the engramic matrix

pseudo nimbus
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Say more

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More than just that

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Give a whole ass novel on why you hate it

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@bold dove

pseudo nimbus
vagrant meadow
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Some one pls explain ark lore in a nutshell

sick canyon
vagrant meadow
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Thanks

lofty apex
tender wasp
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Also the damn respawning as lore IMO is the worst thing ever and in 99% it ruins a lot. +

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They should have kept Diana dead and Mei given a honorable death, which would have solved a lot of problems. Never made any dumb respawn canon and treated our survivor as if he simply never died and respawn kept as simple game mechanic.

raven bane
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right so im not very educated in the lore bt id like to learn mainly between scorched earth and the last lot

fallow summit
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🤓

brazen sparrow
lofty apex
brazen sparrow
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Then you know what the reseed protocol is, and how central it is to the original main storyline 😀

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Also, what books? There are no Ark books lmao

lofty apex
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Apparently you don't know that there are paper books exist in real life. Just books. Okay.
And how is the above related to ressed protocol, if it happens not at the time of genesis, but before it?

wary ruin
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Was the moon going poof just because element or was there an actual reason

brazen sparrow
quaint marsh
bold dove
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It truly felt like they needed a lore reasoning for every single gameplay function.
Which isn't needed.

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There's only a handful of games that i know that the respawning works with its lore.
And that's mostly cause the story is build 'around' the concept of resurrection and respawning.

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Dark-Souls is a good example of it being done right.

signal hull
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Is there a lore explanation for why dinos introduced in extinction have that blue and black stuff on them? is it element?

bold dove
signal hull
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how come they were not corrupted by it but others were?
(eh, velona is close enough)

bold dove
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The element in their body helped their species a long time ago evolve rapidly to what they are in-game.
They have a symbiotic relationship.

bold dove
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Not all element is corrupted.
As seen in Aberration, with the element rivers

safe spindle
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excuse me may i ask an off-topic question?

bold dove
safe spindle
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Helena makes a good point when she adresses the ratio between carnivores and herbivore

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if you look at every animal ingame

bold dove
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That is lore related.
Cause there is a reasoning to that.

safe spindle
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its almost a 6:1 ratio

bold dove
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The environment is artificial, meaning that no matter the in-balance. The Overseer can just create more of the same species.

safe spindle
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okay

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that is what i thought

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thanks!

bold dove
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Np

safe spindle
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also this probably isnt lore related at all

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but if you go within the game files

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and look into animals they have organs

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but the corrupted creatures have no heart or lungs

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they are replaced by VERY oversized stomach

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stomachs*

brazen sparrow
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Huh, if that's true that would be really cool. I will now probably spend the next few hours looking for footage of this lmao

bold dove
safe spindle
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my friends has them i'll ask him

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there gone..

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his pc just lit on fire

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all of the files are gone

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sorry

bold dove
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I call 'bullshit'

bold dove
brazen sparrow
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🤣

bold dove
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"Hmm, yes.
My pc just so happens to have caught on fire the moment my friend asks me for the files"

brazen sparrow
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I knew it was bullshit lol

bold dove
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Damn, the size of this bullshit is so powerful, i can smell it through my screen.

safe spindle
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no

brazen sparrow
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You can look inside dinos by simply killing one and going prone, not that hard to disprove tbh

bold dove
safe spindle
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i knew about them 3 days ago

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the fire happened yesterday

bold dove
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So, you're saying they have organs. Right?

safe spindle
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yes

bold dove
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Funny, cause a good point Bruising just said.
You can just clip into their bodies, and see that it's empty.
Like any other video-game models.

safe spindle
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you have to look at the files in a modeling system

bold dove
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It wouldn't make a difference.
Unless they're scrapped.
Which at that point, even if they where real. The canonality of them is to be taken is that. A scrapped item.

safe spindle
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F*CK

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you guys were right

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i am gullible

bold dove
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No shit

safe spindle
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he faked it

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i'm a fucking idiot

bold dove
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So, you're friend lied to you for a joke?

safe spindle
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yeah he was joking

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he made the files

bold dove
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And the fire?

safe spindle
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sorry for wasting your guys time

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there was a firethough yes

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bye

safe spindle
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also you know how at the end of gen 2 we don't die our character go down to the planet in a drop pod

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does that mean possible survivor transfers from ark 1 to ark 2?

brazen sparrow
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Our character from the first game does not go down to Arat in a drop pod, that's everyone else besides us. We fall to Arat in the modified Exo Mek. And no, I don't believe there will be anything transferable between the games, maybe like a save link where you unlock a skin or something at most, akin to say Metroid Prime and Fusion.

quaint marsh
safe spindle
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if the dog ate a cat and the cat ate the dog and the cat ate a rat who did the chicken eat?

bold dove
mental basin
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Your mom

brazen sparrow
pseudo nimbus
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Nerd lore

lean bobcat
safe spindle
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correct

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veggies made of maewing milk it sucked from your mom

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@lean bobcat

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this is all part of the lore /shrug

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  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯
calm canopy
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what is this channel

rigid palm
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ಠ_ಠ

safe spindle
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i honestly can't tell you sorry

sick canyon
calm canopy
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ok

tender wasp
safe spindle
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sLFuiasllsihlifhu is the sound of an acsension

wanton orbit
bold dove
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Just have hit-regions to have the illocution of it.

pseudo nimbus
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Wait a second

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If they kept the engrsmmic matrices of all humans

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That's includes... Andrew tate

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Hustlers university is canon

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Hustlers university on genesis ship

upper locust
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The ship was destroyed and hustlers uni went with it

pseudo nimbus
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There's still eden ring

upper locust
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All of human kind's info was probably on that ship and no info was stored anywhere else if i had to guess

glad crow
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The arks had access to the matrix too didn't they?

lyric tendon
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They have their own Engrammic Matrix database that is the same until they start making clones

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Gen has more tampering

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While ARK keeps the clones as they are

finite dune
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What's the lore of rockwell

pseudo nimbus
# finite dune What's the lore of rockwell

Island:

Insides alpha tribe then ascends to scorched
"alright pull your Hatchets out" chop chop chop swing swing swing second alpha tribe dead
Gets obsessed with element
Ascends to aberration
injects element, becoming overseer of ab
crash lands on earth
teleports to genesis ship
takes over genesis ship
dies

finite dune
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Imagine dying

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Loser

slate cipher
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Who says he's dead ? Wildcard are gonna milk him in Ark 2

quaint marsh
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He's as thin as a starving cow already

broken star
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So like

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To give a slightly more serious answer

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Rockwell is a 19th century researcher who liked to spend his time coming up with new concoctions and general research. His concoctions are generally very valuable for survival and so he rose to a place of prominence in the Island, becoming a sort of neutral negotiator. He was kind of always an ass even here though, lots of his research was very unethical and he wasn't above aiding with whichever tribe bribed him more. He has a friendly relationship with Helena, who he views as one of the few minds on the island who actually gives a s*** about science.

In a bit of a rut, Rockwell goes caving and finds his first artifact. This fascinates him, both because of the material it's made of and the tech. He starts studying it and slowly becomes obsessed.

Rockwell eventually winds up siding with nerva, so he views as the most powerful force on the island and an excellent tool at killing all of the bosses to learn more. Rockwell is at this point chiefly interested in the obelisks and learning their secrets. He manipulates nerva into doing his dirty work by implying the obelisks are a weapon

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Also at some point he sees that nerva has captured Helena and for some reason besides that this means that she has been conspiring against him the entire time when she's doing her own investigation

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After nerva kills the overseer, Rockwell gets his hands on some Element and realizes this is the good stuff. He gets transferred to Scorched Earth, where he does a bunch of sneaky underhanded shit as his obsession with element continues to consume him. At some point he reunites with Helena- she thinks it's a happy reunion, Rockwell thinks she's plotting.

Long story short because typing all of this on Mobile is getting obnoxious, Rockwell names element edmundium, and he and helena get transferred to Aberration

Aberration is where s*** gets Wild, where he does a lot of research on all of the abundant element everywhere. He slowly pieces together all of its mutagenic properties and eventually uses it to mutate himself into a god essentially. He directly leads to the death of most of the aberration exclusive characters but can not stop everyone from escaping to Earth but does not care- He's the God of his Ark now.

Then the players come along and kill him, which was thought to be the end of him until Genesis.

tender wasp
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We never kill Rockwell, cause he is the guardian of the Ark now, doomed to be "reborn" over and over again as new guardian. He vanishes back in the Element pool but never really dies cause he is like the the overseer. None of them really dies but their defeat makes us worthy to ascent onto the next Ark but cause of the portal project of Santiago that manipulates the direction we go, we go to Earth instead.

bold dove
broken star
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I mean just because he gets better doesn't mean he wasn't killed

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And he is 100% treated as killed until Genesis reveals that he actually survived all along

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Helena directly thanks you for putting him out of his misery

bold dove
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He's also the only boss that we don't see fully die. DesmoSip
He's kicking and screaming his way into the pool, while every other boss we see physically die.

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Expect for also the Overseer.
Which he's Aberration's version of it. DesmoSip

bold dove
steady rover
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anyone wanna play some chill pve ?

bold dove
mental basin
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Hitler tentacle monster.

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Must be destroyed, at all costs.

lyric tendon
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I doubt it... his brains are all over the place to even ever be recoverable

bold dove
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Cause a old BC-time Roman wouldn't have a brain in their corpse 200 years in our future. DesmoSip

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Their brain has long since decomposed.

mental basin
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The whole point of the Engrammatic Matrix is that it's a PART of the brain that lasts for a ridiculously long time if preserved correctly.

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Even if the brain decomposed, in the right conditions, the Engrammatic Matrix would probably still be there.

mental basin
bold dove
mental basin
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If it did, the Survivors we see even on The Island wouldn't be there.

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It's video game logic.

bold dove
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Well, no shit.

mental basin
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If they say funny brain bit lasts that long, funny brain bit lasts that long.

mental basin
bold dove
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Cause i can get behind the concept of 'cause it's element'
But adding something that just isn't factually in our bodies and normalizing it in the universe seems like more of a copout then the existence of element. DesmoSip

mental basin
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Both options are copouts.

bold dove
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Oh, i know and i agree.
But the latter is 'way' more of a copout then the former, personally.

mental basin
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People have already tried to explain away things they don't understand in the game or lore with, "Oh, well it's gotta be something to due with Element." when that's not usually the case.

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So I feel like this way is the lesser of two evils.

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Though I wish they'd explain the stuff introduced in Genesis more.

bold dove
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Even though element is a copout for all of the issues in the universe. It still feels more plausible, given it's alien in origins and we have no idea how it was created/where it came from. Compared to something that's just flatout not biologically part of us.

mental basin
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Came from space. Genesis made that abundantly clear in the most annoying and stupid way possible.

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Well, actually Extinction did. Genesis just solidified it.

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Notice the Element-infested ice planets we fly by and the surrounding Element filled asteroids.

bold dove
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I know it came from space.
I mean "we don't know where it originally came from before it started spreading."

mental basin
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I think we'll find out in ARK 2, actually.

bold dove
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Hopefully, if element isn't thrown out.
Cause i like element as a plot-point.
I hate it being the copout reasoning of it breaking reality.

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Unless, it is in-fact breaking reality in-canon and that's a later on plot-point with it. Which i'd be cool with, but it should've been hinted towards now.
Cause as of right now, it just seems like they used it as a copout for everything, then hinting towards a later plot-point. DesmoSip

mental basin
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A LOT of what GeneSantiago foreshadows in his Explorer Notes are accurate to things that happen in the future, some of the main points being the mention of aliens, other Santiagos, Gabriel, etc. Something also brought up is pretty much just "Element may have been sent to us from a higher power."

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I have no clue how they'd bring us around to that point, but we could definitely get there over time.

bold dove
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Yep, which is what one of the Proto-Homo-Deus guys thought.

bold dove
mental basin
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The way that the antagonist of ARK 2 is described on Steam also just screams and shouts Element, especially with the description of what is essentially "shadowy menace" which is LITERALLY Element.

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Like, again, Element has always been the main villain, they'd have nothing if they took that away.

bold dove
mental basin
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Like, are the aliens REALLY gonna be the main antagonizing force? NO! We've fought giant ass mutant human beings, like, full on, multiple GIANT heads, flesh, eyeballs, not even that, we've fought the literal King of Shadows and taken down his army, these guys aren't jack.

bold dove
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Still feel like it'd be interesting plot-point/worldbuilding if in later DLC's, once the main threat is shown, the Aratai's and Humanity have a temporary peace treaty to defend against this new threat.
Kind of like Elites and Humans teaming up in Halo-3.

bold dove
mental basin
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So far we have:

  • Element
  • Santigo PTSD
  • Santiago family
  • Aliens
bold dove
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Yep.
Compared to ARK-1 which only had single plot-points per-map.

mental basin
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Also, I have the slightest twinge that we might see or hear from Helena again? It sounds crazy, I know, but I just have the tiniest feeling.

bold dove
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Which, the plot of the first 3 maps where to "survive and figure out the mystery of the ARK's" before we got an actual plot-motive of "stop the titans and save Earth"

mental basin
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There's actually an Explorer Note on Genesis: Part 1 discussing where the Homo Deus went, that has a TON of Tekxt that still hasn't been solved.

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We really gotta translate all of those Explorer Notes.

fallen bay
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I have no idea about any plot :)

bold dove
mental basin
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Also, fun fact, the Genesis System seems to have been programmed in C++.

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(No wonder it barely functions.)

bold dove
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HAHA!

mental basin
bold dove
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Just like ARK.

mental basin
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Anyways, I'd probably have the Note translated by now, but the process is ridiculously tedious.

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Also the patterns just blend after awhile and you lose your place.

bold dove
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Which note is it, and what're you translating?

mental basin
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Don't remember the exact Note, but I could probably find it. It's Tekxt.

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Ascension Code.

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Tekxt is a better name.

bold dove
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Who's the author?

mental basin
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HLN-A Tidbit I think. I'll find it.

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One sec.

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Tidbit #50.

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There's a ridiculous amount of Tekxt on it, it's ridiculous.

bold dove
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Thanks.

mental basin
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No problem.

plain plover
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itscalledQuarternary

bold dove
plain plover
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the language

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it's called quarternary

bold dove
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Oh, the tek-text?

plain plover
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yes

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just uses different characters

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only has 4 letters

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"quarter"

bold dove
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Had to add 'language' to it, since Google kept getting The Quaternary Period

high fable
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Question can somone explain what a homo deus is- i keep hearing it but im so confused?
Is it like a god or somthin?

glad crow
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They are evolved humans that are omnipresent but can't do much.

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Helena became one.

bronze turtle
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It can see everything at once, right?

glad crow
supple raven
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There were different types of homeodeus. Some were just humans but more physicly enhanced and able to interact with technology easier. Then we have the more powerful ones like Helena. I dont think many of thise existed and the ones that did except Helena were driven mad which is why the ship in overseer arena looks like you are inside a living body. Element itself is pretty much alive so theres that too

high fable
tender wasp
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Homo Deus are the ones that were/are not humans anymore and ascendenet in some way like Helena does in Extinction.. the less powerfull ones were no Homo Deus but Transhumans which is not the same.

broken star
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Homo deus were kind of humanity's last-ditch attempt to survive after Element fucked the world

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They created the arks, the genesis simulation, etc etc

high fable
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Whats the diffrence exactly bettween trashhumans and homo deus?

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Transhumans**

bold dove
plain plover
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transhumans are basically cyborgs, Homo Deus are like one notch under god on the totem pole

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pretty large difference

high fable
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Ahh okie!

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Thankie!

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Kinda wanna make my oc a mix bettween a mutant and a homo deus- so im tryna learn as much as i can about homo deus, mainly cuz i got all the mutant stuff down

modest quail
gloomy hare
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Wow

glad crow
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Sad but very true.

fallen bay
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idk but I got a homo deus record from killing my friend in pve

lyric tendon
marble phoenix
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I have lore:

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Lore.

mental basin
fresh wedge
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does anyone know where wildcard got the term "homo deus" from? the only place I've ever seen that exact term is a book by Yuval Noah Harari so I've always wondered if they also read that book and liked it so much they put it in their game

lyric tendon
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Homo is a scientific name for humans, Deus means god in latin

fresh wedge
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sure but it could have been any kind of homo, didnt have to be the deitification of humanity, which doesnt really make much sense in the story I think

lyric tendon
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no... the way how they made the homodeus is in Helena's final note in extinction where she put a mysterious gem in her implant and rest in some tek pod in the forest titan cave

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helena is the last homodeus as the pod broke from that

fresh wedge
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homo deus implies godhood

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humanity turned godlike

fallow sapphire
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To an extent, thats kinda what happened

glad oak
broken star
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Homo deus is the species name for them, essentially

real cairn
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Damn it, those exploring notes are so interesting, how could I ignore them before? Currently reading the EN of Aberration, and oh damn I love that Pilot! Especially because I love jets!

pseudo nimbus
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@fallow sapphire what is your beef with skating?

fallow sapphire
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just never enjoyed it, out of the many times ive tried

pseudo nimbus
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Ok but why make it your personality

fallow sapphire
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Because… well why not lol

prisma mango
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What’s up people

fallow sapphire
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Its a movie, made by Disney

bold dove
solemn linden
broken star
lyric tendon
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It's only a "disservice" if people just ignore it and run over them for XP bonus

glad crow
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Well, it is a timed buff. I wish the buff started after you closed the note or something.

pearl skiff
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Quick question, so i understand why there is obelisk on ark and all, but why is there one on sanctuary on earth ??

pseudo nimbus
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For meteors and stuff

pearl skiff
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Oh okay thanks !

pearl skiff
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why is there an enormous hole in the back of the desert ark ? on extinction like in the bacground

elfin socket
elfin socket
lyric tendon
elfin socket
lyric tendon
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in the ending didnt show that you became homodeus

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it's a record

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nothing else

elfin socket
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Hmm so it's like a record of Helena or something? A bit unclear as to what exactly it is

lyric tendon
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a record for the homodeus, not just helena

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and how will the homodeus will use it, no one knows

it's more or less a record of your achievement

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the removal of the implant maybe signifies that you are no longer bounded by the ARKs? but that is mere guess

elfin socket
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Hmm seems pretty good thanks

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Tbh I wish you didn't lose it alpha+ alpha ab looked so good...

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Also would have been nice if they gen1/2 portals showed up physically

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Unfortunately I needed KT for that +10, really fun and awesome tho so it's fine

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The KT implant looks nice in the inventory but feels weird missing especially with all the armor other than fed having a hole for it, wish that would change too

lyric tendon
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too many unnecessary detail to an already bloated game if they can just turn the implant model on and off

elfin socket
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True but it does bother me hahaha especially cuz ab and island had their own special thing

mental basin
glad crow
pearl skiff
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No, its really behind the desert dôme, like i was on the highest building and Saw a massive hole, but i didnt seem like a bug or some shit

fallow sapphire
pearl skiff
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Oh really ? Thznks then

real cairn
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Wait Santiago is a hacker? You're telling me, that this buffed mf, that talks about family, is a hacker? Doesn't sum up

arctic bison
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he used to be in abberation and extinction, after that he became Vindiago

pseudo nimbus
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In ab ext he was a nerd in genesis he was Vin diesal

real cairn
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Yeah makes sense, but still he did nothing but hack the obelisks and make a bomb

real cairn
pseudo nimbus
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No

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Genesis is a cloned santiago

real cairn
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Oh ok

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Well I'll keep reading i'm on extinction notes currently

pseudo nimbus
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Spoilers ||santiago dies||

real cairn
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Nah I know that

arctic bison
fresh wedge
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I just read helenas note on sandworms and I never noticed the reference to how the fremen walk

tender wasp
# real cairn Wait Santiago is a hacker? You're telling me, that this buffed mf, that talks ab...

Santiago in Abs/Ext looks totaly different and nothing like VD (pics are in the notes). Also Santiago never was a big fighter or anything, simply a hacker and Cayber terrorist that used to steal data from the URE for the Feds and he could reverse-engenieer the stuff he stole like for example the Tek suit, a looner actually, very antisocial and that prefered to live alone in a villa in his past to avoid others.

tender wasp
# real cairn Oh so he morphed?

Not really. Vindiago is another version of Santiago that has not much in common with the Abs/Ext Santiago. He does not even have any experiences of Abs/ext (cause he never was there) and seems to have altered memories and altered body.

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Vindiago even has another last name.

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Vindiago is more a self insert of Vin Diesel than anything else.

mental basin
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Altered memories ye

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Altered body nay

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'Tis just a bald Santiago, a hairless monkey

bold dove
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If you watch the ending, you'd know that's where an ARK lands.

pseudo nimbus
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What huge hole

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Is it past borders

tender wasp
broken star
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As far as Santiago goes, he has character development over the course of Extinction

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So the transition from terrorist nerd into Vin Diesel doesn't strike me as particularly odd

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My man's went and had a dramatic last stand against shitloads of Kaiju in a mecha to buy his friends some time to escape

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And the hole in Extinction it's just a generic crater and an example of how badly the Earth has been wrecked by element

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It's just another example of all of the weird geography that has happened from all of the corruption, like the weird thing Bridges and the sulfur fields and the goo swamp

arctic bison
broken star
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No it doesn't

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The ark that lands lands right next to the city

fallow sapphire
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that was the island

mental basin
mental basin
broken star
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The crater already exists before the arks land

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It's... it's not a convenient pit for them to settle down in.

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It wouldn't have gone "Darn, there's no hole. I guess I'll go up into orbit"

fallow sapphire
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Yeah, because thats where the ark launched from

mental basin
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The crater was The Island before it was sent into orbit. That is quite literally where it came from. Of course there's land missing from that area, it's in space.

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That is where they built the ARK.

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And where it lands.

broken star
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It's... it's so very clearly not

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for one thing it curves in the wrong direction

fallow sapphire
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It really is

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Really really is

mental basin
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He's gotta be trolling.

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There is quite legitimately no other way this argument is happening.

fallow sapphire
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I really hope so

mental basin
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Genuinely.

arctic bison
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same

mental basin
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Maybe they're talking about a different crater than what we're thinking of.

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Pres, you're not referring to the crater visible from the Desert Cave, right?

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Was it the Desert Cave, @fallow sapphire?

fallow sapphire
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Yep

mental basin
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Alright, alright. Just checking.

broken star
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It's all the same crater

Loading up ark now almost purely to get a screenshot. But it's not the scooped out remains of the island, it is literally just a giant valley that's not even the right shape for the ark

it doesn't even neatly fit into the space it does land

mental basin
broken star
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Okay so I'm a big enough man to admit when I might be wrong and I see a big crater that does look like it could be from the ark.

But also it is just part of The Big Valley and mountainous region that the rest of the area is in

real cairn
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But damn Diana is alive! Holy shit my favorite Character is alive, God damn

broken star
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I kind of love her story in Extinction

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Because it is so tonally different than everybody else's

real cairn
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Really? Can't wait to read it entirely

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But i'm going chronologically for now

broken star
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To put it as simply and spoiler free as I can

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Where everybody else is kind of generally sad understandably and in a tense situation because of all of the monsters overrunning the dead planet

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Diana just is kind of "bring it on!" the entire way through

real cairn
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She always been like that honestly

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  • the fact, that she's a pilot, makes her an even better character for me
broken star
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There's a lot more to the story than just that but if you're actively reading through i'll let you discover it

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It does take place after all the rest of the survivor notes, though. mostly

real cairn
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Yeah, i understood that, after I saw a note of a "mek"

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And started reading Santiagos notes

broken star
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Mei Yin's kind of takes place near the end of Helena/Santiago's notes and bleeds into what happens after so she's kind of an in-between

real cairn
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Oh thanks for the tip

mental basin
real cairn
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Can we get a special skin for mek based on Mei Yin drawings?

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That mek is gorgeous

finite dune
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What's the lore of gen 1

glad crow
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It is a simulation, training the survivors on the genesis ship (gen 2). Rockwell, (Aberrant element man, remember him?) has landed on extinction and transferred his consciousness to the genesis ship, where he hacked the simulation, killed 4/5 of the master AI's (Moeder survived.) and made himself the Master Controller. He has corrupted survivors in the simulation, killing them on the ship, added more element to the simulation and basically making things bad for the survivors in the simulation as he takes over the ship.

real cairn
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Hmm strange, I'm pretty sure the voice in Diana is probably Helena, am I right?

lyric tendon
real cairn
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You know Diana right?

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In extintion a strange voice is helping her, and I'm pretty sure that's Helena after she morphed

lyric tendon
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Yes as Diana is the first person gets respawned

real cairn
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Damn nice

exotic tide
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can anyone explain me the lore of ark?

lyric tendon
exotic tide
lyric tendon
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If someone tries to explain it to you, it would be too condensed and too abridged

quaint marsh
exotic tide
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lol

quaint marsh
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I can give you a link to most of the lore of Ark, if you'd like. There is an explorer note page on the official wiki, if you read them all you will feel either very overwhelmed or very knowledgeable

exotic tide
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sure

broken star
real cairn
spare spear
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Imagine if the pvp was like in the explorer notes

lyric tendon
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Mei literally cheats

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and SE story is basically Hardcore ARKpocolypse

arctic bison
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Mei really cheating to knockout tame rock drakes and bring gigas to boss fights

bitter crater
broken star
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Ya'll focusing on mei yin and ignoring the madlad who killed the manticore in melee, on foot

elfin socket
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Tbf you could probably do it with a 190 char and capped flak XD

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Especially gamma

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Anyone wanna come try with me? XD

broken star
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there has been a time once where I was in a boss fight and my mount died

and I could never get on another one so i just fuckin started charging the spider with a sword alongside the theris for the final push

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but yeah

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"I found it! I really found it! Raw, untainted samples of that same, mysterious ore from the sanctuary!

That fearsome beast must have been guarding it. Thank the heavens for Timur and his berserk savagery! When he leapt from the back of his wyvern, I thought he was surely doomed, but the madman actually managed to grab hold of that monster's horns and turn its eyes into a bloody mess. I have never seen such brutally effective barbarism."

bronze turtle
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is Dragon Ball Z and ARK in the same universe?

pseudo nimbus
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@bronze turtle do some push ups

bronze turtle
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yes sir

real cairn
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Huh, will there be element in ark 2? I wonder

lyric tendon
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Hopefully not

real cairn
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I think it could, but like in it's raw form

lyric tendon
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Element dust or blue element is already raw form

real cairn
lyric tendon
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That is corrupted element

real cairn
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Ok but what if the meteor falls with element in it

lyric tendon
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Tbh I want to be done with Element already

Our goal in Gen is to get away from element as possible and we did

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No reason for it to come back

real cairn
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I personally would like the element to get back, and having this problem, where Santiago doesn't want to see it at all, and others want to get the power

lyric tendon
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I dislike the idea considering we are invading colonizing a different planet belonged to the orks

If it has element in it then the mission the reason why we are in the Gen Ship in the first place has failed

real cairn
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Huh? Why? They were looking for a habitable place

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And they found it, and element could get in at any moment

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Like with earth where an meteor just dropped

lyric tendon
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The definition of habitable is not having element on it

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They don't state that the planet is occupied

Only liveable

real cairn
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🤨

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Well ok

bronze turtle
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Is extinction the ending or the beginning?

glad crow
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It was the end of the story, but now it's more like the end of a chapter.

lyric tendon
bronze turtle
lyric tendon
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Yep

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That is why the familiar characters are too different to a degree (sure Helena and Rockwell continued from there but they still ended in Gen 2 anyways)

rain dock
lyric tendon
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That is the word I am looking for

tender wasp
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Pretty Sure element will make a Return. Gen 2 makes pretty clear, that element is all over the universe and they are talking about dark forces.. which could BE element.

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They also never said No element only no Tek

mental basin
bronze turtle
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Oh

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Wasnt genesis a big project? A huge simulation?

mental basin
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It's just muddied up a bit, because we don't have a lot of information on who we play (they pretty much said go wild, you could be the previous or new Survivor), or how we got there. It's still a large part of the story.

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I'm talking about Genesis as in both of the DLCs.

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Part 1 was a simulation aboard the Genesis Ship, and Part 2 was the Ship itself.

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I think what he's trying to say is that Genesis is the beginning of a new chapter, whatever story arc comes next. The Island-Genesis finishes the Rockwell arc, while Genesis: Part 2 additionally sets up the Santiago arc.

lyric tendon
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the only thing that remotely connects it to the ARK's saga is Rockwell transferring to the Ship, after that a new chapter begins

mental basin
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Yeah and no.

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Going off that logic The Island-Aberration is "Meanwhile on the ARKs"

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And Extinction would be the only real story.

lyric tendon
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technically island to Ext since ab is connected to ext via the portal project

mental basin
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Everything is connected, Genesis less than everything else, but connected nonetheless.

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I could word it better, one second.

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The Island-Extinction would be the Helena arc, Genesis would be the Rockwell arc, and ARK 2 would be the Santiago arc.

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All of them bleed into one another in some way.

lyric tendon
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tbh the "santiago arc" also connected to ab with that logic

i am more based on ARK project VS Gen Ship Project... more or less a bigger picture

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the "Genesis Saga is fully connected to the ARK saga" would be logical (in my case) if the Gen ship decided to go back to earth instead of leaving earth

bronze turtle
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So what is a spin off and what isnt

lyric tendon
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No spin offs, just more of a sequel

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The spin off is ARK mobile and ARK Park

Even though they have tiny connection to the Lore

mental basin
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You're overcomplicating it for him.

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Genesis isn't a sequel, it's part of ARK 1.

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It's a bridge. It sets up ARK 2.

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That's like calling Devil May Cry 1 a sequel to itself because it sets up Devil May Cry 2.

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And to add to your statements, ARK Mobile is entirely noncanon, nor is PixARK. The only canon ARK spinoff to my knowledge is ARK Park.

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Yeah, ARK Park is actually canon.

brazen sparrow
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Only via a one-off note in Ab, but yes, sadly it is 😂

bold dove
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'I' for one love the concept of PixARK being canon.
Should it be? 'no!'
But do i want it to be? 'yes!'
Why? 'yes!'

mental basin
bold dove
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Right.
And PixARK is pretty geometric shaped, is it not?

mental basin
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She's referring to a collection of polygons, not polygon. Keep your theory, just be aware of how much a stretch it is.

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And may Raptor Jesus have mercy on those who had to playtest Genesis PixARK.

bold dove
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ARK's lore is already stretched out by its community. So i don't think this is as bad as "Rockwell made the reapers"

mental basin
bold dove
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Worse part is.
'No one bothered to correct him in-office, nor in-chat.'

mental basin
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The chat filter is stupid.

bold dove
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It's like they all thought, even the other people Cedric was around thought reapers where made by him.

mental basin
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Example, fuckity fuck shit fuck fuck shit fuck damn shoot darn damn.

bold dove
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(unless they meant the r-reapers, which would make sense but they should've worded it better.)

mental basin
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I doubt they'd pay attention to that level of detail.

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They've made it abundantly clear that the ppl who do lore and the actual game designers are FAR away from eachother in production.

bold dove
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Wait, how is ARK Park canon?

mental basin
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Skye's dream.

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Look at the Note, when you have a chance.

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You're in for an unpleasant surprise. evil_g

bold dove
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Right, it's the same train.
But when did the events of ARK Park ever happen?

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OOOOH!

mental basin
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In his head. His dream.

bold dove
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I'm fucking dumb.

mental basin
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Nahh

rigid grove
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Caps lock is discord not lore FrogHehe

bold dove
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"We where in a Humvee with two buff dudes killing monsters and shit."

mental basin
rigid grove
mental basin
#

i cri everytiem

mental basin
bold dove
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Soooooo.
ARK-Park is a dream sequence like Super-Mario-Bros 2. Got it.

mental basin
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Unfortunately.

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Or no, fortunately.

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Polygonal monke

bold dove
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Unless he's getting trolled by the system, and he's having false memories of another survivor within his head that was around during those events.

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Like that one dude in the Genesis-2 notes.
But less intense.

arctic bison
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Gabriel Light edition

rigid palm
bold dove
rigid palm
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I see

bold dove
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Either way, i'll be regetting my bootleg-edness back.
Either by calling myself "bootleg CM" or "bootleg denied"
Depending on how things go.

rigid palm
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Bootleg CM ftw

mental basin
#

Idk bootleg denied sounds pretty alright too ngl

#

Here's your cue to start calling me slurs.

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I fucking love the Ced Emojis

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I need more

bold dove
mental basin
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He's passed the test.

bold dove
latent kite
mental basin
vestal saffron
tender wasp
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Klick the pins, read the notes and you know who he is and why Rockwell became the bad guy

mental basin
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Rockwell drank the pink sauce

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And Santiago got plastic surgery

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This is factual

hazy chasm
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rockwells bones got turned into tentacles

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fact

plain plover
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Anyone going to Pax west please ask HLN-A how Rockwell got onto the Genesis ship

arctic bison
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We probably should also ask why Santiago looks like Vin Diesel as well SantiagoScowl (Vindiago my bad)

broken star
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Santiago is a far future terrorist tech-head. He's a prominent character in Aberration and Extinction

If you don't understand why Rockwell is the bad guy, you haven't read literally any of his explorer notes

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He has a very long fall to darkness arc that starts in the island and culminates in Aberration

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Well, maybe not "literally any." He's not a jerk in some of his more banal island notes

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But even as early as Island Explorer Note 3 you see traces of his future villainy, when he's tempted to side with the painted sharks purely because they brought him the better gift

pine isle
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Hehe t rex go ROAR

bronze turtle
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is hlna helana

bold dove
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HLN-A was made from Helena's engramic matrix.
But they're separate entities.

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She's more of a clone that has her own life away from Helena's.

mental basin
#

No?????????????

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She was NOT made with her Matrix, she was made with HER.

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You goof.

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Let me explain this a bit better.

mental basin
# bronze turtle is hlna helana

HLN-A is the creation of Helena, containing a part of her. Over time, she gained Helena's memories and took on her own.. I wouldn't say personality, but she became her own entity seperate from Helena.

bold dove
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"Patterned on human engrams imbued by a Homo-Deus"

mental basin
#

ohno

bold dove
ebon idol
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This channel is cringe💀

brazen sparrow
#

Sony and how they mistreat their customers is cringe, but you don't see us gushing about it where it's irrelevant... Drakesip

ebon idol
bold dove
#

'sigh'

plain plover
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except when I'm here

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then it just becomes hard to look at

bronze turtle
#

what happened to Mei-Yin???

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matter of fact what happened to everybody other than Helena and Rockwell???

lyric tendon
brazen sparrow
# bronze turtle matter of fact what happened to everybody other than Helena and Rockwell???

Well, Santiago sacrifizzles himself during Extinctions notes, Mei and Diana walk into the sunset afterwards, perhaps getting their current consciousnesses uploaded/updated to the Genesis ship (we don't know for sure, but they initiate the link to the ship from Arat Prime, the launch site of the ship, so we can only assume that Helena sends them there like she does us), and you can probably guess what happened to the rest of the no-name survivors on Earth...

bronze turtle
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they died???

lyric tendon
#

naturally is the possibility

because neither Diana nor Mei ever make a note after the KT retreated

brazen sparrow
bronze turtle
#

dam

brazen sparrow
#

There were a lot of titans in the final assault, to be fair. Mei and Helena making it out alive was already quite the stretch of good luck, and then for them to continue on and achieve what they do? Even better luck imo

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We wouldn't exist (as wouldn't Diana) if Helena hadn't become Homo Deus and all that jazz

quaint marsh
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We'd be gone after that first dilo encounter

wary ruin
broken star
mental basin
# bronze turtle what happened to Mei-Yin???

The last thing we know is that they beamed Helena into the Genesis Simulation. From there Helena informs us that "others need her", so I'd assume she went to do something with the two.

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What that something is we don't know, so all we can assume is that they're still alive.

bronze turtle
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were the people who left the maps in extinction the same people who made the ship in gen2?

mental basin
#

What do you mean?

bronze turtle
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in the extinction end game ciniamatic you could see people leaving the maps were they the people who made the ship in gen2

mental basin
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The Genesis Ship was primarily work of the Terrain Federation, alongside the United Republic of Earth. To my knowledge, the Sanctuary in Extinction was a United Republic of Earth city.

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The Feds and URE are long, long dead.

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At least on Earth.

bronze turtle
#

oh

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ok

mental basin
#

The people leaving the ARKs are just regular old Survivors setting foot on the planet.

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We dunno what happens to them from there, but they certainly didn't construct the Genesis Ship.

bronze turtle
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ooooooh so they got to explore more on the planet ok that makes sense

mental basin
#

Yeah, everything pretty much got reset.

broken star
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The people that got released from the arks we're just spreading out to repopulate Earth

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The genesis ship was a second thing that the homo deus set up on case the arks did not work

mental basin
#

Correction, the Genesis-Ship came first.

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Sometime around the middle-end of construction the Farm were conceived.

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From there, around the time of Santiago's death the URE went along with the ARKs.

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Genesis-Ship: Plan A, Federation led.
ARKs: Plan B, United Republic of Earth/URE Transhumanist led.

brazen sparrow
#

Yeah, the Homo Deus were explicitly not involved in the Genesis ship's construction, at least very much, because the Federation didn't want them to mess with it. Hence why Nida freaks out when she sees Helena-Deus in the simulation one day, she was taught (as were the other crewmembers of the ship) that Homo Deus bad

tender wasp
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Transhumans were involved like Uma but Transhumans are no Homo Deus. We don't even really know who is involved in the construction of the Arks besides it is a project of the URE. Homo Deus at least functioned as the ones that took care of the Arks later as kind of AI.

real cairn
#

Damn it, i actually felt sad for rockwell in Genesis 2 ending, but after finding out what he did to Gabriel I just can't empathize him any more, crawling into the mind of a lost soul, drawing him crazy. While fighting rockwells children I though about Gabriel and I felt so sad....

tender wasp
#

You should have a look at the notes in Abs and see what he did there XD

lyric tendon
#

Or SE notes

arctic bison
#

SE is just Rockwells insider arc

lean bobcat
#

In Gen 2's ending, who's ||the girl that Helena and Rockwell are talking about with the "You wanted the same power she squandered" and "She knew"?||

arctic bison
lean bobcat
#

ah, I see

#

ty!

bold dove
#

HLN-A is separate from the actual Helena.

quaint marsh
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He goes from testing soups on monkeys to manipulating the alpha tribe

tender wasp
quaint marsh
#

Ooh, yeah

mental basin
#

What are you talking about my guy

lean bobcat
# quaint marsh I find the Island ones more interesting, showing a rather slow but steady descen...

Rockwell's character is just really well done overall imo. The island establishes that his morals are a bit twisted to begin with, but nothing too crazy. Then the element starts exploiting that to the point where he becomes paranoid, self-centered, and convinces himself that it's okay for him to kill the tribe leader in Scorched Earth. Then all that build up finally results in him becoming one with the element and going completely insane in Aberration

quaint marsh
#

Yep! He's really fun to read about

lean bobcat
#

I loveddd going through and reading all the explorer notes

broken star
#

It's all part of his fall to darkness

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His emergence as the godhead of Aberration doesn't work without the setup in SE, which doesn't work without the setup in the Island

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I don't know if "Rockwell is the final boss of an underground mutation-themed map" was the gameplan from day one of the character's existence, but they absolutely had plans on him being the slow burn villain for a long time and were building their way to it

bold dove
#

Marc confirmed that he was originally suppose to be killed off on Scorched.
But some random dev suggested 'what if a mutated version of him was the main villain of the next map?' or something like that. And so he was written to survive.

glad oak
#

if rockwell had died then the story would be so diffrent

broken star
#

Looking at the story of scorched Earth I'm not even reasonably sure where he could have died

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Weird to think about

pseudo nimbus
bold dove
pseudo nimbus
#

Imagine a map with no villain

bold dove
lyric tendon
#

Then again the true villain of SE is the ARK itself

bold dove
#

Which we do not ever fight.

#

'yet'

pseudo nimbus
bold dove
#

Did you not hear?

pseudo nimbus
#

Probably after manticore

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We never fight the overseer itself

bold dove
pseudo nimbus
bold dove
#

They're adding a Scorched ascension

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Ascensions come with a final-boss

pseudo nimbus
#

Yeah I don't think that means we are getting an overseer boss

bold dove
#

Also, why not?

pseudo nimbus
#

Well let's say we do get an ascension fight

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What do you think it will be like

bold dove
# pseudo nimbus What do you think it will be like

Well, the theme of Scorched is flier-based stuff.
So, if we're getting another tek-cave, then i'd assume it'd be a flier-based tek cave.
Then, a flier-based overseer fight. One that they're not just hovering over the ground, and actually flying around.

broken star
#

as indicated by the fact that Element itself is the villain in extinction. Throughout all of Ark 1, really, but very obviously in extinction

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on this topic: can i say that it is brilliant ludonarrative harmony that the ferox exists and it's a crime it didn't exist earlier?

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I feel like if Ferox had been introduced, mechanics intact, in extinction that would have really helped to sell the mutation theme

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You can tell players all you want that element is dangerous and mutagenic, but seeing that fluffy little fluffball mutate into a roided out werewolf trying to maul your face sells that idea

bold dove
#

Fuck off

quaint marsh
bold dove
#

They're on the Eden-Ring

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All of the Genesis-1 creatures (besides the magmasaur) are on Genesis-2

quaint marsh
#

OH

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Apologies

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I didn't spend much time on that map, pretty much just did missions and raised a theri army before taking on Rockwell Prime

pseudo nimbus
bold dove
quaint marsh
#

I need to read the Genesis notes

pseudo nimbus
bold dove
#

Look around and you'll find one eventually.

quaint marsh
#

What would they be used for on Genesis 2 though

bold dove
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Which is to say 'none'

quaint marsh
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lol

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They would be cool on an ocean themed map

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Imagine, a few small islands here and there and the rest is just many layers of ocean

bold dove
#

Maybe we'll finally get an ocean themed DLC in ARK-2. DesmoSip

bold dove
pseudo nimbus
bold dove
quaint marsh
#

Yeah! Think of it like different gameplay stages, you have the "beginner zone" or epipelagic zone, which is bright and sunny and the biggest threat might be a megalodon, but as you go deeper things get darker and scarier

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Would need an ocean overhaul though

bold dove
#

Okay, so basically an Atlas DLC in ARK that has a detalied ocean?

quaint marsh
#

Hmm, I guess so

pseudo nimbus
bold dove
#

No

pseudo nimbus
#

Yew

bold dove
#

You make anything like that, Vindiago will burn you on a cross while call you a 'witch'

pseudo nimbus
#

Vacuum compartments are a requirement for an ocean dlc

bold dove
pseudo nimbus
pseudo nimbus
bold dove
pseudo nimbus
bold dove
#

No U

pseudo nimbus
#

I think ocean platforms is a must

pseudo nimbus
bold dove
#

No U

pseudo nimbus
#

I'm serious

brazen sparrow
# mental basin She was never taught HomoDeus are bad wtf 😭

From Nida note 6, "We weren't kept completely in the dark about our estranged transhuman cousins, but I think there's been a concerted generational effort to repress those memories.

Maybe our ancestors were afraid we'd see some appeal in the idea of accelerating our own evolution if we learned more about Homo deus."

From Nida note 9, "I assumed at first that HLN-A was causing the system failures spreading through the rings.

We'd been raised to believe that people had barely escaped an Earth overrun by transhumanism and Element pollution.

It seemed logical to assume the AI I'd found embedded in our simulation engine by a transhuman entity would try to sabotage our mission."

Not to be rude, but intentionally lying about/leaving out an entire portion of the truth about Homo Deus and transhumans sure makes it seem like the higher ups don't care for them, and would speak ill of them, if at all. The fact that she assumes that HLN-A is attacking the ship made it pretty clear to me that she wasn't told much good about them, but I digress. I don't even really think I need to bring up that fact (but I will) that the Federation was not very fond of transhumans/the URE to begin with...

storm lance
#

Is there lores about 1 robot?

broken star
#

One robot?

broken star
# quaint marsh They'd be right at home on Extinction, honestly. Lore wise I suppose they were c...

All of the genesis creatures, in-lore, were engineered for one reason or another to be deployed on Genesis yeah. At minimum the Magmasaur was tested on the Scorched Earth first, so I can see all the other ones being devised primarily for or at least tested in the simulation even if they then also got propagated to the ship proper.

also i said extinction when I meant aberration, but ferox would have worked nicely on either map with their heavy element focus

bold dove
broken star
#

Yeah save the whales

bold dove
#

I meant the part that they weren't engineered.

broken star
#

really convenient that the first examples of alien life behave exactly like the bio-engineered creatures in the ark/simulations tho

bold dove
glad oak
#

well the whale only exists in the simulation and iirc there anything that is 100% saying that the dolphin is an alien.

fallow sapphire
#

It exists in gen 2, in the void

quaint marsh
#

Astrocetus is also found on the Genesis Ship, in the space between the two rings

glad oak
#

really?

#

i had no idea literally never saw them in there

arctic bison
glad oak
#

that makes sense

broken star
#

"The crew saw one of those creatures swimming in the interstellar medium, and named it astrodelphis -- 'space dolphin'.
Someone aboard figured out how to tame and ride them -- guess they must've had a lot of time on their hands."

wet prism
#

If the original Island crew managed to defeat and destroy the Overseer (ultimately making the ARK malfunction and selfdestruct), how is it that we, as players, can also kill the Overseer? Is that a plothole in the lore?

bold dove
#

When you defeat an overseer, it retracts to a ball form and 'allows' you to ascend.

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Diana on Aberration literally nuked the overseer, 'actually' killing it and destroying essential parts of the ARK.

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So no, Nerva didn't kill the overseer.
He just weakened it enough that it allowed him to pass and ascend.

wet prism
#

Ooh that makes sense

#

Thank you

bold dove
#

👍

mental whale
#

Friendly reminder that this channel exists because someone realized that Genesis 2 means you're inside David Tennant.

That is all!

bold dove
arctic bison
#

interesting

lean bobcat
#

why

fallow sapphire
broken star
bold dove
#

They where wondering if the previous survivors like Nerva defeated the Overseer, why isn't The Island like Aberration?

broken star
#

The Arks expect a big fight with the overseer, defeating it, and going on about your merry way to the next ark

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That's not what the Aberration crew did

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They rigged up a tek bomb and blew up the whole damn thing

bold dove
bold dove
proud ibex
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Is there any specific lore behind Tek Dinos or are they just there because the devs wanted cyber-dinos

pseudo nimbus
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They are just there

lyric tendon
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no dossier = "it's just exist"

bold dove
solemn linden
bold dove
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Yep

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Now, for why they're on the ARK's?
🤷‍♂️

solemn linden
bold dove
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TRUE

solemn linden
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At least with Gen 1 we can assume that they exist in the simulation cause most creatures look out of place in the space biome and something had to be put there, but with the ARKs they exist for no explained reason and make me question how the characters in the explorer notes took so damn long to realize that this island ain't natural.

proud ibex
solemn linden
proud ibex
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especially the tek raptors

broken star
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Every now and then it tries to produce a normal animal and a tek creature pops out instead

glad oak
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the reason fantasy things exist is because the overseers are massive nerds and no one can make me think otherwise

wary ruin
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Pretty sure tek dinos exist because of the extinction DLC being added

storm lance
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i wanna know the lore of gachas 😦

wary ruin
jovial warren
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If gasbags were tardigrades then what were velonsaurs?

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Did a dilo infected with element get to close to a cactus or something?

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I wish the dossiers went into more depth of what the extinction dinos used to be

glad crow
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Hedgehog?

brazen sparrow
mental basin
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The Snow Owls were.. owls.

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That's all I got. 🗿

broken star
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All of them have those weird little black and blue tubes and whatnot

brazen sparrow
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Not how it worked, that's element corruption (but the good kind)

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They were mutated by element over time

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The gasbags aren't even near a proto obelisk, as well

mental basin
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It's like an Element augmentation, they aren't Corrupted nor part of the hivemind, they're just superpowered by it.

bronze turtle
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Does anyone have a picture of the anatomy of a Gasbag

quaint marsh
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Brain
Stomach
Hollowness

waxen flame
bronze turtle
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Because I'm bored

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and its gasbag

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i love gasbag

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In fact...

quaint marsh
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Only found weird stuff when I Googled. You could try your hand at drawing one

summer tide
jovial warren
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Maybe the extinction dinos were mutated by purified element
While corrupted dinos were mutated by raw element

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(And the king titan obv)

summer tide
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That would make sense, the element in extinction Dino’s is bluish like we see in tek versus the purple corrupted version

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Also gachas are mutated sloths and manas are Tony the Tiger on roids

brazen sparrow
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Manas are the ones I'd say we know the least about, because they appear canid, to a point. But then, they supposedly have roots in draconic heredity according to their dossier, some of their body structure, and the fact that they breath ice. And then... they're mammals? Very strange indeed. Easily the one we know the least about where they came from/evolved from. Every other one has an obvious possible draw, manas are just kinda there.

broken star
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i've heard it described that the extinction critters were a result of symbiosis with element instead of corruption

My thing about the obelisks making/guiding them though is that the snow owl dossier says pretty much exactly that

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Discovering Bubo chinookus was a pleasant surprise. Owls are remarkable creatures, but they're not the type that could survive an extinction level event on their own. Since it never strays from the patch of frozen tundra we encountered, I believe the Obelisk was the key to its survival."

bold dove
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In his Q&A post, he states that they are in a symbiotic relationship with element, DesmoSip

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At least if i recall right

fallow sapphire
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Honestly i dont see why it cant be both. The owls adapted with element, but that still wouldnt allow them to live. It would be the biodome keeping a certain life necessary to that creature, which wouldnt be in the wastelands

bold dove
bronze turtle
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I was reading through some lore things and nothing says how we get to gen 2 but you might say what about gen 1 in the end you exit the sim yes but how did we get from extinction to the gen sim it no make sense

bold dove
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The Island-Extinction and the Genesis-maps follow their own stories.
Extinction is more of the ending to ARK-1's main plot, while Genesis 1-2 where the bridge to ARK-2.

bronze turtle
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Oh

solemn linden
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I doubt they're particularly fond of the wasteland lmao

jovial warren
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As in not letting them get killed by corrupted

brazen sparrow
brazen sparrow
sonic plank
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is it true that overseer disabled gigas in boss fights cuz it was too op and it was never meant to be tamed to stop nerva from taking over the island? if so where is this lore mentioned

wary ruin
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Gigas were disabled in game because of their strength, nothing to do with lore

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Correct me if I’m wrong but in lore, Mei yin brought a giga into the megapithecus fight

broken star
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She did yeah

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And apparently it was the only thing that let her win the fight so I don't know what bad team comp she brought to the megapithecus

brazen sparrow
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Probably a bunch of pre-tlc raptors and carnos, knowing Mei-Yin lol

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Maybe some trikes and a few parasaurs too, since she did have herbivores in the mix canonically

brazen sparrow
sharp wolf
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👀

quaint marsh
wary ruin
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She goofy ahh

bold dove
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I know that element is based off of the stuff from The-Expanse.
But i also can't stop thinking about how similar it is to Imulsion from the Gears-series. DesmoSip

gentle lichen
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do you guys think that the shapes on ark logo actually have some meaning?

lyric tendon
plain plover
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the gem looking stuff on logos resemble the green blue and red gems from aberration but that's it

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it was made when they hadn't quite decided what ARK's scifi style was going to be so it doesn't resemble anything in the game made after

quaint marsh
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I always thought it was the obelisks lol

wary ruin
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Pretty sure the green blue and red are the obelisk colours

bold dove
bold dove
# gentle lichen do you guys think that the shapes on ark logo actually have some meaning?

Default logo is more or less to the same as the ARK.
A old, ancient metallic object that holds mysterious.
Scorched's logo is a desert, cause scorched is in fact, in a desert.
Aberration's logo is an overgrown, malfunctioning version of the default ARK logo. The exact same as the theme of the map.
Extinction's logo is more advanced them any logo before, with corruption wrapping around every part of the logo but the top bit, that could represent the last light of humanity.
Genesis 1's logo is more robotic and highly advanced industrial looking, a showing of the coming mass amounts of tek themed stuff.
Genesis 2's logo is just Genesis 1's with the same theme as Extinctions, with the fleshy corruption taking over everything but the last light, yatty yatty yah.

jovial warren
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Hmm

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Anyone realize there's blue element coming out of the mountains near the snow dome
Whats up with that
The rest is purple

wary ruin
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??

jovial warren
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Extinction

wary ruin
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Oh

jovial warren
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It's out of place

bold dove
wary ruin
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Idk where the blue is, but iirc the blue element usually means safer element

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Right?

bold dove
jovial warren
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But it's right by the forbidden zone lmao

wary ruin
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Probably a texturing bug

jovial warren
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The element coming out of the mountain is purple

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Can't send a screenshot rn

jovial warren
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Ok

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I believe the blue glow is the light reflection

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And I just see it as blue for some reason

glad crow
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Rockwell must have been a spectacular "spelunker" running the cave of the skylord presumably without much preparation / stuff.

arctic bison
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Rockwell is just built different with his edmundium obsessed brain

supple raven
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@jovial warren yea it looks blue sometimes. But what is funny is that in the extinction cutscene they turn blue once it starts to dissolve into the air

rose yoke
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u guys are weird

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all of you are NPCs

arctic bison
rose yoke
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especially you...

lean bobcat
lean bobcat
broken star
broken star
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So either something changed about rock drakes/the story between the time those two notes were written, or Mei Yin is just a big liar

lyric tendon
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therefore Mei is canonically a cheater

broken star
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maybe mei yin just plays with mods and ini settings

arctic bison
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Mei yin just looks up the spawn codes and tame commands

broken star
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You know it occurs to me that despite all of her cheating she's actually still kind of bad at the game

Or maybe because of it

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She sacrifices that rock Drake to Reapers to escape on foot

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Instead of just... escaping on the drake

bronze turtle
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yo

glad crow
lyric tendon
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she never mentioned that she saddled the drake in the first place, therefore she force tamed it

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there is a possibility that she got ganked in the corner by reapers which is way more common for people who are first time handling drakes' strange control compared to flying

lean bobcat
broken star
lyric tendon
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Think so, I'll check

broken star
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Unrelated to the drake there's also when she was building an army to hold against the corrupted horde to defend helena... and among the tames she gathered were gasbags

lean bobcat
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lmao, i bet their 10 damage really scared away that king titan

brazen sparrow
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Hey, you need soakers, even in a land war 🤣

broken star
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She also got some snow owls which makes sense until you consider she was in a mek

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So they were just worse argents

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(This Mei yin slander is fun)

brazen sparrow
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Well who knows, maybe she hacked in some ai to ride the dinos?

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(It is)

split rover
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Just wanted to drop in here and say that the non story maps are canon, because in the gen 2 mission "survive the ark" the beach wave has crystal wyverns, which only exists on a non story ark, which means that the people who built the gen 2 missions were aware of crystal wyverns, and therefore were aware of crystal isles, which is a non-story map.

rigid palm
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Or crystal wyverns were just in the ark database for creatures and none of the obelisks used them in any of the three arks that we went to

glad oak
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^

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we just dont see the canon ARKs that they are on

rigid palm
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So imo it doesn’t mean that they’re canon and everything thats on them is canon, it just proves nothing except that crystal wyverns were in the database (and tropeos) and that the free dlcs are just pseudo canon

brazen sparrow
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Yeah, I've stated before the full list of creatures that are in Survive The Ark (which makes them canon), but that doesn't necessarily make the maps canon, even if I'm of the mind that they are. It just makes the dinos from them canon.

rigid palm
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^

broken star
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Oh yeah the non-story Arks are Canon there's a shitload of them

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Even as early as the island Ascension you see way more in the background than we ever have played

brazen sparrow
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That doesn't make them canon, lol

broken star
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The three (plus Earth) the story takes place on are just the three that the main story we follow happens to take place on

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I mean

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The Mana dossier straight up mentions the ice wyverns

brazen sparrow
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Which makes ice wyverns canon, yes

broken star
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Even if you don't want to take the mission as Canon

brazen sparrow
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Well, the mission is canon, that's non-negotiable. But the maps they come from have 0 evidence as to their existence, technically

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It's like many other aspects of the game, in a way; left up to player interpretation. You can think that the other maps exist, if you'd like (which I do, for the record.) Or, you can look at the fact that none of them are so much as mentioned, and see they are technically non-canon.

rigid palm
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A couple hundred other arks do exist, yes
But there is nothing to prove that the free maps are in fact actual arks that exist

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Personally I see no way that fjordur can exist at all so thats definitely not canon to me

brazen sparrow
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I do have trouble with the canonicity of Fjordur, I'll admit, even though I'm a believer

quaint marsh
# broken star Even as early as the island Ascension you see way more in the background than we...

Yes, but there are reasons as to why the non story maps we can play probably aren't canon.
Maps with corrupt creatures or ones from the Genesis ship are difficult to call canon, because of the origin of these creatures. Corrupt creatures have slowly been created by element during the corruptions reign on earth, and Genesis 2 creatures are created by the Gen ship crew and Rockwell. (correct me if I'm wrong)
These maps also lack any notes from previous survivors, and we never see any sign of an Overseer on any of them aswell as no Ascensions. It would not surprise me if Wild Card considers them canon though, without considering the impact on lore that would have, which would explain Crystal Wyverns in Survive the Ark. (Rockwells creatures on Fjördur, meaning Rockwell would have to have infected one or more Arks aswell, whilst being many many lightyears away.)

lean bobcat
broken star
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I mean it feels like it's a huge leap to assume that all of these non-story maps are non-canon but the creatures are they just happen to come from somewhere else

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One we could just say that the other arks are indeed Canon they're just not important to the story

brazen sparrow
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Well, unless directly related to the main story or confirmed by Wildcard, they are non-canon. That's just the facts.

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You gotta remember, all of the non-story maps were just but mod maps, at one point. It's easier to say that not assuming the maps are non-canon is a huge leap.

ruby tangle
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you know the whole mana dossier brings up another weird little question

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sure it makes them canon but the fact helena is writing about them at all implies she’s personally seen one or at minimum spoken to someone who has encountered them

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but since we know the order of the arks she visited before the events of extinction we know for a fact she didn’t go anywhere else so she must have encountered ice wyverns somewhere on se since in the island there are no wyvern trenches and it just wouldn’t make sense for aberration

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which means for the first time we’ve got a situation where instead of a game mechanic not being mentioned in lore we have a creature being there in lore that isn’t there in game lmao

solemn linden
# ruby tangle which means for the first time we’ve got a situation where instead of a game mec...

I have a theory on that. Helena mentions in the managarmr dossier that the ice wyverns lived in a desert. Assuming she means Scorched Earth, then maybe ice wyverns were spawned in along with the other wyvern species when the overseer was trying to punish the inhabitants of Scorched Earth, but they died out long before the player arrives due to them being so poorly adapted for that environment. If this is true then Helena witnessed the last of Scorched Earth's ice wyvern population.

solemn linden
# broken star I mean it feels like it's a huge leap to assume that all of these non-story maps...

Most of the non-story maps directly conflict with the established lore, hence them being non-canon. The creatures introduced on those maps however do not conflict with any lore and have been mentioned and even appeared on story maps. Theoretically the reason we don't encounter them on any ARKs in-game could be that they were all native to Aberration and died out when the surface became a burning hellscape.

broken star
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... in what way do they conflict with established lore? They're just random arks

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The only one that you could argue does is fjordur with its heavy mystic theming

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Ragnarok is just a different island. The center is another different island. Valguero is an inland valley thing. Crystal Isles is a third, weird island. Lost island... is (surprise) an island

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They're just arks

solemn linden
# broken star ... in what way do they conflict with established lore? They're just random arks

Scorched Earth's explorer notes establish that each ARK has some kind of natural boundary keeping you from reaching the forcefield at the edge of the map. Scorched does this with death worms while the Island uses it's oceans. Valguero is landlocked yet has nothing preventing you from rubbing your face against the border. Same goes for the Center and parts of Lost Island. Crystal Isles and Fjordur are designed to be more fantasy themed and while I guess you could assume that Crystal Isle's floating islands rely on the same kind of hover technology as the obelisks, Fjordur straight up has norse realms and a giant tree. Ragnarok is basically the only one that acts anything like an ARK.

broken star
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The islands all have the same natural boundry that the Island does- They're islands

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And Valguero is in an impassable mountain range

solemn linden
broken star
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The "natural barrier" thing is just a soft requirement to discourage it but the arks don't super care if you actually get to the barrier, because as early as the island the fact that the barrier exists is well established

solemn linden
broken star
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Island doesn't do shit to keep you from the barrier, neither does aberration

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It's not a hard rule, it's just a trend helena noticed

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and the deathworms do a piss poor job at keeping things away from the barrier themselves

solemn linden
fallow sapphire
solemn linden
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One of the other major conflicts is the presence of creatures on the non-story maps that shouldn't be there. For example, a lot of the plants and animals that Rockwell created on the Colony Ship appear on Fjordur. Theoretically this could be due to the ARKs and Colony Ship sharing information, but why would an ARK spawn in stuff that is heavily saturated with element? Also why would a singular ARK be designed in an entirely different way from every other ARK? Like Fjordur has Obelisks that appear to be made of stone and it has massive realms that you can teleport to. Are we just supposed to assume that it's really an ARK with 3 Proto-ARKs stacked on top?

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It just makes more sense to assume that the non-story maps are indeed non-canon as the devs have confirmed and that the creatures introduced on those maps just exist on different ARKs canonically.

brazen sparrow
brazen sparrow
solemn linden
brazen sparrow
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Well, if you happen upon the source, I'd like very much to read/watch it

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I've been wondering for a long while whether or not they had been officially de-canonized

bold dove
brazen sparrow
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Well, you know how far that source gets ya, 'roundin these parts. Nary but few inches, maybe, pardner.

bold dove
low venture
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When Rockwell took over the Genesis simulation, you think he like edited the Ferox to be based off of him? Think about it, it's a thing that transforms when you give it element into a big scary beast lol

glad crow
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That's oddly poetic, and probably unintended. Anyway, in the lore, if you inject anything with molten element it mutates.

low venture
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If its unintended, it's one hell of a coincidence lol

glad crow
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Not really. Element is mutagenic so they used that property twice.

low venture
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I mean, it's a possibility

solemn linden
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The ferox transforming when exposed to element is to be expected considering element is highly mutagenic. The actually interesting thing about the ferox is it's ability to return to it's regular form.

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Imagine if Rockwell worked the same way and would just somehow shrink back down into a regular old man once he runs out of element lmao

low venture
solemn linden
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Maybe in the ferox's case the extra mass is element and it just like turns into little particles and floats off when they turn back? I dunno

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Imagine if Rockwell could become human again though... brb gonna reabsorb a space station's worth of tumors and tentacles into my tiny frail old man body

low venture
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Maybe it inflates like a balloon 💀

solemn linden
low venture
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Ultimate Ferox counter

lean bobcat
# solemn linden The ferox transforming when exposed to element is to be expected considering ele...

Yeah- in the aberration explorer notes Rockwell turns a bulbdog into a monster by injecting it with molten element, so it's not too surprising that ferox can do the same. But it is weird that it can go back to normal, and that ferox is the only creature that can do that. Maybe because it's the only creature that will actually let you feed it element and canonically the other species just refuse to eat it, which is interesting. Could've developed some sort of partial immunity to the harmful effects of element, hence why it goes back to normal once it runs out and why it lets you feed it element

||or maybe we're reading into it too much and it's just haha funny fox turn into hulk||

bronze turtle
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I dont know too much of the lore and there is probably a reason why not, but maybe the ferox is just a shown evolution? Just like dogs got just used to humans, a ferox got used to element, and its body is able to transform back

lean bobcat
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Ohh yeah maybe

pseudo nimbus
broken star
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You know how Mei Yin's shinehorn just suddenly dissappears from the explorer notes?

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This doesn't change the context of what you said i just wanted to emphasize that little bit of horror and assholery

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Ferox is a really good gameplay/story integration thing in that you see the effect element can have on a creature

bronze turtle
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I saw a little time ago someone saying the maewing can mate, even though being genderless for lore reasons, what lore reason could that possibly be?

plain plover
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they were designed to be tools

bronze turtle
plain plover
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Maewings are designed to be surrogate mothers for any living creature, why would you have half the species be unable to be a mother by definition? so all of them are able to perform that task. But they're living creatures, and living creatures all have the ability to make more of themselves, it would be illogical to have them not able to do this, so why not just assign them all one gender that is able to both reproduce and fertilize.

bronze turtle
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Damn dawg

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Them some busy motherfuckers

plain plover
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I would imagine them to be a "Pest" creature in ARK 2 considering the nature of how they reproduce, like dodos, dilos and compies.

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the fact that they can reproduce like that and are omnivores are concerning.

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remember, horses are omnivores.

bronze turtle
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Also, why do wyverns exist? Unaccurate in a zoo full of prehistorical creatures

plain plover
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to kill people

bronze turtle
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What? So the humans off earth do decide to launch a ark full with prehistorical creatures, and then judt make an ark with bullshit?

plain plover
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Yes, the ARKs were capable of restoring life without the dome on top, but that bio-dome is where they held experiments to prepare humans to face off against any future threats

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meaning they could do whatever they want

bronze turtle
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Ah

plain plover
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The Scorched Earth Overseer saw the city of Nosti and was like "no that's against the rules" so he sunk the entire city and made wyverns to pick off the survivors

bronze turtle
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Did rockwell do anything to the aberration map? Like, he corrupted half of the genesis ship, but he left aberration unharmed?

plain plover
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Rockwell seemingly wasn't doing anything to major to the Aberration ARK as its overseer, but he is able to control the nameless and reapers.

bronze turtle
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Hm

plain plover
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he was mainly just blocking off the portal that already existed from activating

bronze turtle
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Im starting to love the lore of ark

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Where do you get all this info? Is it all in the explorer notes?