I mean I have already
#Sharply Squad
errant fox
does it count as scraping if we just have an AI agent look at it for us 🤔
tepid nest
Good question
errant fox
i think they just said "any automated methods"
but where's the line
what if i automatically send $30 to advion every month to update 20 items mpb prices
versed fjord
just pay some guy 1$ per year to scrape it but have him tell you its manual
easy fall guy 
errant fox
I will give you $4 to setup an endpoint to fetch mpb prices and not disclose to me how you did it
shy solar
i have the complete dataset manually copied if you're interested
as i said before
for keh, b&h, and mpb
jagged epoch
just pay some guy 1$ per year to scrape it but have him tell you its manual
I'll do it for free
jagged epoch
65900 for d750 🔥 🫃 🫃 🫃
shy solar
65900 for d750 🔥 🫃 🫃 🫃
das where its ap
jagged epoch
What currency lol
gusty yoke
Roubles
narrow bloom
What currency lol
probably cents actually
proven glade
shy solar
What currency lol
cents
proven glade
weird to represent it in cents while still being a float
shy solar
weird to represent it in cents while still being a float
blame their api not me
jagged epoch
weird to represent it in cents while still being a float
659.1937366353636 cents
errant fox
Diabolical
errant fox
I want to make that "gear competency test" on sharply lol
errant fox
Basics:
- A few questions about exposure triangle
- few questions about other dictionary terms (composition, etc.)
...
Medium:
- SLR vs DSLR vs Mirrorless
- Equivalent focal lengths
...
Expert: - Pixel density (lens resolution and light gathering)
- Test knowledge of specific camera specs (What is D7200 megapixel count roughly, options 45, 12, 24, 30)
...
jagged epoch
I want to make that "gear competency test" on sharply lol
EXCELLENT CHOICE
Wow people actually read server suggestions
errant fox
@tepid nest i think i have to add a mount for minolta lenses but i couldnt figure out what it was
tepid nest
SR mount for the older stuff and A for the newer
errant fox
SR mount for the older stuff and A for the newer
are these mounts shared by other brands at all? or just minolta?
tepid nest
I think Sony inherited the A mount for a bit when they first took over Minolta
I don't think they are shared other than that
tepid nest
yeah Sony ate their SLR division
tepid nest
it just morphed into the Alpha stuff
errant fox
the new mounts just deployed
tepid nest
X-600 as well I think
errant fox
refresh and A and SR will be available
tepid nest
cool thanks
I think I'm going to standardize the Rokkor name as just Rokkor since Minolta ads show it that way and not ROKKOR
errant fox
first SLR on sharply! https://www.sharplyphoto.com/gear/minolta-sr-t-102
errant fox
I think I'm going to standardize the Rokkor name as just Rokkor since Minolta ad...
ok this is fine
damn i want that 85mm 1.7
SRT 102 might be the first camera i try to do a gear photo of since there's 0 shot we're finding that
tepid nest
I just bought one but canceled it right after
I thought it would go well with the 58mm 1.4 I already have
tepid nest
adapting to Z
tepid nest
with a cheap ass adapter I found on amazon for $15
it's just manual focus but still fun
the 85 I got had some hazing so I figured I'd just wait and find a pristine model in the future
errant fox
my photoshop recent files
frosty plaza
yep
proven glade
are these mounts shared by other brands at all? or just minolta?
Minolta shares M with Leitz, but as far as I know nothing notable has the SR mount except for Minolta cameras
proven glade
SR mount for the older stuff and A for the newer
someone got it right, usually people just refer to it as the MD mount but that's a generation marker like you said in a later message
tepid nest
I didn't even realize they made a couple native M mount lenses
proven glade
SR is short for Single Reflex I think
MC is short for Meter Coupling
MD is short for Minimum Diaphragm
tepid nest
yup and for more fun trivia the letters like PF are just the number of elements and groups inside
proven glade
you can tell just about all you need to know from the naming of the lenses
proven glade
the best glass is Rokkor NL at 9 groups (N) and 12 elements (L)
but the most you'd find without spending much is SG at 7 groups 7 elements
or HH is what they built their wider primes on
very identifiable, lots of cultish information on Minolta's legacy
proven glade
<@120024682584997889> i think i have to add a mount for minolta lenses but i cou...
a good thing to have for this would be a Generation stat/marker
errant fox
what does this mean
proven glade
cause the difference of SR MC and MD can be broken down more to R RX AR MC1 MC2 MC3 MD1 MD2 MD3 nMD MDX
SR is the mount
SR MC and MD are the three major generations
and then there's like 12 subgenerations that change the hardware and coatings
proven glade
cause you can get 3 lenses under the same name but 3 different generations
unless you make 3 different lenses
errant fox
they don't have different names? 
they made the same lens but didnt change name to like Mark 3 or some shit is what you're saying?
proven glade
no cause when it's marked as MC it could be 3 different production years/sub-generations of the same lens, usually that means different shell too
let me show you
errant fox
ok i see
tepid nest
I wish there was a more elegant way to handle lens variations
proven glade
this is (from left to right)
MC 50 1.4
MD 50 1.4
MD 50 1.4
MD 50 1.4
but you don't know the MC is actually an MC-X (marked in yellow on the front)
and all the MDs are different years starting from MD1 to MD3 (nMD)
slight differences in that character-wise the MD1 is similar to MCX while the MD3 variant looks different and is built worse
tepid nest
I think this is a big thing for film lenses in general so as we get further into those it's gonna be interesting.
proven glade
same issue exists for every brand but to lesser degrees (whether that's because of documentation or general reception)
like the Canon SSC stuff that you need to know the serial numbers of to know which ones cost $50 and which cost $400
you have a 58? @tepid nest
tepid nest
yeah
proven glade
sick
tepid nest
I've only had it a few weeks at this point
proven glade
I do want to buy more Minolta lenses but being film lenses they didn't prioritize mfd very much and that's beginning to bother me lol
my Minolta 35-70's mfd at 35mm is like 85cm
cannot do jack with it
tepid nest
I kinda randomly bought it on a whim because it was $50 and I started shooting film on Minolta so I have a little soft spot for em
proven glade
I've got a bunch of rolls still to develop I shot on my X-7
I want to own an XM one day
tepid nest
That's cool looking
errant fox
this is (from left to right)
MC 50 1.4
MD 50 1.4
MD 50 1.4
MD 50 1.4
Yeah this is a tough one. I really want to maintain one page per name possible
How different are they? Any significant changes
proven glade
Yeah this is a tough one. I really want to maintain one page per name possible
...
the jump from MC to MD is compatibility and coating
Minimum Diaphragm means cameras know what the minimum aperture is for autometering purposes
though the bigger jumps happen within generation, MD2 to MD3 for example
you can have multiple pages that have the same name but different generation markers or production years if you want, but that means multiple 55 1.7's
tepid nest
I put the real basic stuff in the notes here for example https://www.sharplyphoto.com/gear/minolta-mc-rokkor-pf-58mm-f1-4
proven glade
some lenses have variance all the way from original Rokkor to new MD which is 8 generations big
some lenses just have 2-3 generations
tepid nest
I wonder if you can find a way to adapt the video table formatting type stuff somehow
proven glade
just depends on implementation
you could just have different photos for different generations, they don't vary enough to have spec changes, not most of them
if it matters just put it in notes
errant fox
Since im already adding variations feature between actual items, maybe could add “nominal” variations to at are just custom entry with notes
Maybe overkill though
Annoying that photos change
tepid nest
I think I mentioned it before but I would like to be able to add more photos in the item page and be able to cycle through them. I think that's how color variations should be handled. Like some of the Nikon silver variants instead of a separate listing. Just have a row where it shows available colors and then let us upload an additional photo of that color
tepid nest
gear page card gets the default/first photo then any additional photos the user can cycle through once in the items page
tepid nest
Is the SE optically the same?
errant fox
Yup
Same thing just rehoused for color
But what if there’s a lens that has functional variations 🙄
tepid nest
I think the SE is fine as a separate listing
but something like https://www.sharplyphoto.com/gear/nikon-nikkor-z-dx-16-50mm-f-3-5-6-3-vr-silver and https://www.sharplyphoto.com/gear/nikon-nikkor-z-dx-16-50mm-f-3-5-6-3-vr should be a combined listing
errant fox
Same thing though
tepid nest
SE is at least a different design and not just a colorway though
proven glade
the SE is just a variant of the lens designation though
errant fox
True
proven glade
cause the MC3 and MC2 Minolta lenses are also different designs
tepid nest
fuck true
proven glade
but not different enough to warrant spec changes
errant fox
How do you even look for these Minolta variations if they’re names the same
tepid nest
design, I think serial numbers too
Like 58mm MC 1 lenses have a fairly flat focus ring and the MC II has a hilly one
proven glade
yes, early MC and late MC
proven glade
no that's MC1 55 1.7 and MC3 58 1.2
tepid nest
oh 1.2
proven glade
but I believe some MC3 lenses share the MD1 aesthetic
or some lenses marked as MD1 aren't truly MD
for example the 21mm MD1 which is actually an MC3 lens
too much information to know about this stuff
tepid nest
proven glade
tepid nest
you say that
but I bet all these vintage lens dorks would love a modern up to date central repository
as it is it seems scattered throughout 800 different websites and facebook
proven glade
this would be the first comprehensive repository of this information and product photos
the next best repository would be a literal book they call the Minolta Bible that's been being compiled for the last 70 years
tepid nest
I think it's something that should be considered and maybe slowly worked on in the background but it would definitely be a big undertaking
proven glade
you don't have to put in the work, you just need to lay the foundations
errant fox
I’m gonna do “variationOf” column for differences that are design or greater (design and any functionality changes) and “colorOf” for same design different color
As far as the Minolta stuff I think my original nominalVariations idea is best
Maybe I’ll just create a whole new table to handle these relationships that wya it’s easy to define what kind of relationship it is
Just annoying to me how unnecessarily convoluted photography gear is
tepid nest
absolutely, it can get rather obnoxious
the actual page formatting doesn't really matter a ton as long as we can put the data in somewhere and it can be adapted to a better format when it comes time
proven glade
skimming the surface of how fast companies built and folded in the film era
Chikoyo Super Rokkor, Canon Serenar
tepid nest
The other question is how do we do the gear pages. Taking the 58mm for example since it would encompass multiple variations do we just do a generic lens page? Instead of MC Rokkor-PF 58mm f/1.4 or another one for the MD Rokkor 58mm do we just do a Rokkor 58mm f/1.4.
proven glade
luckily most film era lenses are actually very well documented https://minolta.su/list-of-reviews-lensqaworks/
errant fox
The other question is how do we do the gear pages. Taking the 58mm for example ...
nah this actually would be way harder in backend than the other things
proven glade
The other question is how do we do the gear pages. Taking the 58mm for example ...
I'd pick one generation to go for, usually that's MC2 cause most lenses have an MC2 variant if they began in MC, but not all lenses have MD, and MD lenses obviously don't have MC variants
errant fox
and, overall if things actually have different names i do want them to have different pages, except for color only variations
proven glade
or the most popular one, like the 55 1.7 would be the silver ring MC
basically the same lens, the Auto Rokkor PF 55 1.8 and the MC Rokkor PF 55 1.7
but one's flatter and one's hillier
tepid nest
ugh having separate page for every film lens variation is gonna be interesting. alrighty
errant fox
only if the name is different
errant fox
isn't that what we were just talking about, how minolta lenses have multiple variations but no name change
frosty plaza
can we just make our own camera company and name things correctly from the start
proven glade
isn't that what we were just talking about, how minolta lenses have multiple va...
they technically don't have different names in datasheet
colloquailly they're known by different names and the generation marker makes them different even to Minolta
it's like what Apple did
calling every new iPad the new iPad
like how the Gen 5 iPad is just "the iPad"
errant fox
lmao
another thing that's a historic pain in the ass
trying to buy a specific ipad or apple tv model
tepid nest
I wish the mount selector in the bulk gear page was like the Brand or Type so I could mass set the mount instead of individually
errant fox
true true
tepid nest
I'm about to dump in all the Hassy H bodies
errant fox
or at least defaults or something
tepid nest
Will finish the X body specs this weekend then start on these H body specs
will need to find a way to handle digital/film backs at some point too :x
tepid nest
I guess we're just gonna have a lot of notes is all
errant fox
for analog does that not fit any of these?
export const analogTypesEnum = pgEnum("analog_types_enum", [
"single-lens-reflex-slr",
"rangefinder",
"twin-lens-reflex-tlr",
"point-and-shoot",
"large-format",
"instant-film",
"disposable",
"toy",
"stereo",
"panoramic",
"folding",
"box",
"pinhole",
"press",
]);```some bodies only work with certain backs or back sizes etc
tepid nest
I created this beautiful bug report just for you even though I didn't want to over such a dumb tiny thing https://github.com/Flohhhhh/sharply/issues/190
errant fox
I created this beautiful bug report just for you even though I didn't want to ov...
wait so when you open it it shows the mount? but it still said it wasn't added?
errant fox
are we sure this doesn't just always happen regardless of bulk creation
tepid nest
if I hit contribute and look at the mount it's already there
cause I did it during bulk create but under construction still says it's missing
errant fox
that is quite weird
errant fox
I created this beautiful bug report just for you even though I didn't want to ov...
https://www.sharplyphoto.com/admin/gear
fixed and made the mount apply to all rows
still on beta rn
wait can you access that
shy solar
interesting vercel login page
tepid nest
wait can you access that
Don’t think so but I’ll check. Just shoveled snow gonna shower real quick
errant fox
nvm just use live
with all the gear images we uploaded i'm still only at 2% usage of the free tier of the storage
pretty sick
tepid nest
Nice
shy solar
with all the gear images we uploaded i'm still only at 2% usage of the free tier...
supabase?
tepid nest
time to fork sharply and make some horrible design choices
shy solar
uploadthing
holy crap t3 reference
errant fox
holy crap t3 reference
sharply was created with create-t3-app 🔥
jagged epoch
my photoshop recent files
I should really try Affinity instead of GIMP
Why do I torture myself 
proven glade
oh boy
the OM1 and OM1 Mark II have the same model numbers
that's fun
even though OM5 and OM5 Mark II are IM030 and IM037
jade knoll
om1ii was a firmware update confirmed
minor bough
the OM1 and OM1 Mark II have the same model numbers
i dont think model number is necessary anyway
errant fox
the OM1 and OM1 Mark II have the same model numbers
Just exclude or put it on only one, not a big deal
Model numbers are internal only as a safety check for duplicates
Sorry if I said this already I can’t remember
jagged epoch
@errant fox the "contribute" and "under construction" buttons do the same thing, I think you should remove one or the other
errant fox
<@82988532766867456> the "contribute" and "under construction" buttons do the sa...
true whoops
which one do you like better
actually jk im keeping contribute
errant fox
ya
jagged epoch
@errant fox can we also get 20fps as a video framerate
Cuz canon put that as the fucking framerate for fhd video in Rebel T1i
jagged epoch
IDK LMFAO
errant fox
the amount of things i've had to add specifically for canon
jagged epoch
At this point make an option to enter numbers
jagged epoch
@errant fox what the fuck do I do for the image sizes for this fucktard
And all the other vr lenses
errant fox
<@82988532766867456> what the fuck do I do for the image sizes for this fucktard
1000 on long edge
same thing
jagged epoch
It's gonna scale badly
jagged epoch
Oh long edge
I think you should change the guidelines on the site to long edge
For safety
errant fox
does it not
errant fox
bro why are we taking photos of screens in 2026
jagged epoch
I don't have discord open and I'm lazy to open it
errant fox
less work than taking out phone and going to discord to take a photo 
jagged epoch
Screen snipping literally takes more time than phone photo kekl
My phone discord is like
Always on
errant fox
Screen snipping literally takes more time than phone photo kekl
windows + shift + s bro
then paste
jagged epoch
Naur why do that when I could be doing more pics
!!!!!
Don't you hate it when canon has a proper slanted picture for their kit 24-50
BUT NOT FOR 100-300/2.8
errant fox
Added an equivalent focal length display for fixed lenses
ugliest lens i've ever seen @jagged epoch
errant fox
btw, message to everyone, i want to emphasize the importance of finding dates for release in general, or at least finding the release year for items
release date is used a lot for sorting, and without it things looks incomplete or don't appear in a logical order
jagged epoch
You should check the canon section
errant fox
none of their telephotos have shots from above i guess?
jagged epoch
Not that I can find
I've checked the canon websites from like every single fucking country
errant fox
https://sharplyphoto.com/gear/canon-rf24-105mm-f2-8-l-is-usm-z
this image looks pretty weird
like very compressed or something
and a reasonable white border
jagged epoch
Sir this is an official canon image
errant fox
send me original if u still have it
jagged epoch
Also for some reason this one was extremely high res from the canon site
errant fox
maybe gimp is just booty
jagged epoch
I didn't do anything vro
I import, rotate, crop, scale
Canonusa pics already have no background
Speaking of which, canonusa site is slow today
errant fox
here
this is the original URL when you inspect the image
https://s7d1.scene7.com/is/image/canon/6347C002_RF24_105mm_2?fmt=webp-alpha&wid=800
notice: fmt=webp-alpha%wid=800
if you change to fmt=png-alpha and wid=1000 you get a much nicer image
jagged epoch
Hmm
errant fox
images on web are usually fetched through api for scaling down and compressing
you acn sometimes adjust the parameters yourself
also how did you get a white border when it's already transparent background 😂
jagged epoch
INTERESTING
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also how did you get a white border when it's already transparent background 😂
Idk dawg it came like this 💀
You do it and see if you get the same
errant fox
look
jagged epoch
I think there's some minor differences between the scaling algorithms of gimp and photoshop but neither should make white borders
jagged epoch
Gimme a sec I'll do both and compare
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errant fox
done
jagged epoch
grazie
errant fox
just follow that recording
to get the images
i did like 2400 width
fmt=png-alpha
you can also do fmt=png without the -alpha to get it with a white background
jagged epoch
2400?
errant fox
yeah
https://s7d1.scene7.com/is/image/canon/5054C002_rf600mm-f4-l-is-usm_primary?fmt=png&wid=2400
jagged epoch
I guess it depends on the lens
jagged epoch
some already have excessive px on wid=1600
errant fox
yeah i guess the taller ones need more
jagged epoch
i will take that into consideration for future lenses
if you see any lens that needs redoing lmk
errant fox
what are the quality options on export with gimp?
jagged epoch
errant fox
you can up from 75 a bit
jagged epoch
how much
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alr
jagged epoch
do like 85
rf 100-500 is with 85%, check if you like it
errant fox
yeah i like
errant fox
errant fox
need me to redo all of them or
its fine
maybe the really popular ones
slight white border too
acceptable just see if there's a way to improve
jagged epoch
when it's not over the whole thing I can't really do much
except like hand remove pixels
errant fox
you selected the whole thing and contracted 1px?
errant fox
it is though you just cant see it because its also white
but is this how it looked after removing 1 px?
errant fox
im not using AI shit
i jsut ctrl click on the layer and it selects the alpha
then select > modify > contract > 1px
surely gimp can do this
errant fox
jagged epoch
I shrinked already smh
nah bro I shrinked 2px and it's the same
that's compression
tepid nest
lol gimp
jagged epoch
better than fuckass affinity running at 2fps
@errant fox for rf 600 and 800mm f11 do you want collapsed or extended
tepid nest
better than fuckass affinity running at 2fps
Sounds like a you problem it works great for me
jagged epoch
are you by any chance on mac
tepid nest
And I don’t have to slam my dick in a car door every time I try to do something
I’ve used it on both my MacBook and windows 11 desktop
jagged epoch
anyways: gimp
tepid nest
I’ll have fun redoing all these images later I guess
jagged epoch
I mean i'll redo them if you want
errant fox
you should not have to
jagged epoch
redoing all rf rn
errant fox
how tf do you scale the image down to 1000 pixels
jagged epoch
it doesn't seem to apply shrink when you don't lol
jagged epoch
how tf do you scale the image down to 1000 pixels
image > scale image
errant fox
just click exactly what i did in the images bro
jagged epoch
yeah I haven't been doing layer masks prior
💀
I'll redo all the ones I did then I'll go to bed
tepid nest
Hah
jagged epoch
<@82988532766867456> for rf 600 and 800mm f11 do you want collapsed or extended
oh and @errant fox
tepid nest
Why would you want it extended
jagged epoch
that's how you shoot it
but idk for thumbnails the collapsed might be better
not my choice tho so
tepid nest
Well yeah you can do all sorts of shit when you aren’t trying to make it fast
jagged epoch
yeah but f/11
it also uses fresnel glass
f11 is fine for the shit people do with 600 and 800mm anyway
birding and stuff
fixed aperture funny tho
tepid nest
Says someone who’s never tried to shoot early morning or late evening
errant fox
i think we should add a property for whether the lens only covers a smaller than full frame image circle
but idk what to name it
or should it be
imageCircle = full, cropped
or imageCircleCropped = true, false
proven glade
imageCircle = 67, gfx, full, super35, mft, c
errant fox
its not really relevant though on system like fuji though, because every lens is for apsc right?
ok so matching with sensor format
make sense i gues
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imageCircle = 67, gfx, full, super35, mft, c
or, reuse the sensor format things
for clarity
errant fox
ok i do
proven glade
Says someone who’s never tried to shoot early morning or late evening
fixed aperture is never good
jagged epoch
dude I timed myself doing an image and it was under 40s 😭
proven glade
I'd be mad if I had to shoot f8 or f4 all day no matter what the lens is for
I know people here have had primes break and fixed at 2.8 which is hilarious
jagged epoch
using mirror lenses must be real fun
errant fox
dude I timed myself doing an image and it was under 40s 😭
maybe take 60s and make them without white border
jagged epoch
I know people here have had primes break and fixed at 2.8 which is hilarious
or nikon people using e lenses on old bodies that don't support it
stuck on wide open
jagged epoch
maybe take 60s and make them without white border
sir this is with shrink and stuff already
I NEED TO GET A JOB
proven glade
I had a day where I was so done with the day before I forgot how my camera worked and shot everything wide open 1/8000
underexposed the ocean wideopen, that's talent
errant fox
1/8000 🥀
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i'm ending my shift today at rf85mm f1.2 DS
with the exclusion of 600 and 800 f11, everything prior has been redone
TOMORROW 🔥 🔥 🔥
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I should figure out how to assign macros for things like crop to content
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OH IS THERE
errant fox
i literally just downloaded gimp 10 minutes ago
jagged epoch
I come from illustrator bro don't judge me 💀
errant fox
"auto shrink" on the left
it's greyed out until you draw a rough crop around it
tepid nest
The more I learn about how square does things the less faith I have in the people of this discord
jagged epoch
I have overridden gimp shortcuts and assigned "QWERTY" as the keys for every step required, IN ORDER
frosty plaza
that’s…something
tepid nest
You can barely do it correctly with a mouse
jagged epoch
shhhhhhh
my redos are fine 
I'm going to bed, tomorrow will be a very productive day
just watch
errant fox
@proven glade @tepid nest added
this good
allows us to show an equiavlent focal length for any lens that's "DX" or uses anything besides full frame
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<@1003660378296819722> <@120024682584997889> added
For the funny could you add a sum of all edits
On the leaderboard
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square go to school
Wait 3 days for that
errant fox
For the funny could you add a sum of all edits
isnt this what it is already
errant fox
oh
proven glade
<@1003660378296819722> <@120024682584997889> added
is this intended to represent lenses that are for fullframe but cover medium format?
errant fox
ah shit
i did not consider medium format
medium format is a negative multiplier though right?
proven glade
technically speaking, yes
and technically speaking, medium format has like 5 different image circles
errant fox
maybe i dont understand your question
errant fox
and technically speaking, medium format has like 5 different image circles
[
{
"id": "116924b7-a4ee-4f7b-8ddf-38b33454c550",
"name": "APS-C",
"slug": "aps-c",
"crop_factor": "1.50",
"description": "Nikon, Sony, Fujifilm",
},
{
"id": "26b5a709-9810-42d7-9a76-0c876043f224",
"name": "Canon APS-H",
"slug": "canon-aps-h",
"crop_factor": "1.30",
"description": "Canon intermediate format",
},
{
"id": "40e9d5bd-62ef-4ec1-8f8f-b5d232f2a603",
"name": "Full-frame",
"slug": "full-frame",
"crop_factor": "1.00",
"description": "35mm equivalent",
},
{
"id": "4df33822-edc9-4a93-9519-dd0050a7f8ee",
"name": "Canon APS-C",
"slug": "canon-aps-c",
"crop_factor": "1.60",
"description": "Canon specific",
},
{
"id": "670ac585-aa5d-4e4d-88a0-c6ee2f7e036e",
"name": "Medium Format",
"slug": "medium-format",
"crop_factor": "0.79",
"description": "Larger than full frame",
},
{
"id": "9ee34d66-036b-4598-bbb9-d80a1b96c512",
"name": "Micro 4/3",
"slug": "micro-4-3",
"crop_factor": "2.00",
"description": "Panasonic, Olympus",
},
{
"id": "a5b24cc2-4b36-47d4-8765-777a5c2e10ca",
"name": "1\"",
"slug": "1-inch",
"crop_factor": "2.70",
"description": "Compact cameras",
}
]
this is what i have currnetly, can alwys add
proven glade
if you have Canon APS-C why not have APS-C
errant fox
first one
errant fox
this is for cameras too
proven glade
I see
I'd also implement Foveon and fullsize Medium Format which is 0.64x (GFX is medium format crop, 0.79x)
and Foveon is 1.7x, for Sigma, if that matters
and fullsize medium format would be the Hassy 100c system which is 53x40
crop medium format would be the Hassy 50c and GFX system which are 44x33
tepid nest
XCD platform/X system
proven glade
yeah they don't make it very easy to remember
proven glade
I know the 100c and 50c have different sensor sizes even in H
then there's 6x7 film which is 56x70 and 6x9 which is 56x84 which are the notable ones
and 645 is 56x42 but the digital 645Z is 44x33
tepid nest
What a shit show
proven glade
very fun
not the slightest bit confusing
I'd add these sizes @errant fox
then just forget about IQ4 being 1mm bigger than fullsize MF cause they're the weird ones
645 56 × 42 70.0 43.27/70.0≈0.62 ~0.62× shorter
6×6 56 × 56 79.2 43.27/79.2≈0.55 ~0.55× shorter
6×7 56 × 70 89.6 43.27/89.6≈0.48 ~0.48× shorter
6×9 56 × 84 101.6 43.27/101.6≈0.43 ~0.43× shorter
MF 44 × 33 55.0 43.27/55.0≈0.79 ~0.79× shorter
MF 53 × 40 66.0 43.27/66.0≈0.66 ~0.66× shorter
compared to FFEQ
errant fox
6x7 ect. is just analog no? @proven glade
proven glade
6x7 ect. is just analog no? <@1003660378296819722>
yes, it's analog, but different lens mounts have different lenses and image circles
proven glade
if you haven't already separated the image circle from the mount and the mount's common image size, you should
cause like we've seen, minolta lenses are for 135 film SLR but cover crop MF
errant fox
well i have the mount and the image circle size as separate fields
this is what you mean right
proven glade
yes
proven glade
because i also have film formats
6x7 and 6x9 aren't different films, it's just 120 stretched to bigger or smaller widths
technically 6x9 is 107 film compatible
but that's a whole different thing that's no longer thought about
errant fox
might have to use some sort of "other" or "large format other" here, i think image circle size is not worth getting that specific about
remember we can still have all of these as film formats
proven glade
you can summarize medium format as crop and full, that's fine too
proven glade
well... still crop and full
errant fox
cool ill add those for now
what od name them though
Medium Format Crop and Medium Format Full is fine?
errant fox
damn, we're going to have to go back and check all the medium format cameras
because i'm renaming "Medium Format"
which have done more of? lol
proven glade
pretty simple, only a few cameras are full medium format
implemenet that table and I'll update them
errant fox
just gotta build and deploy
one sec
takes me 7 fucking minutes to build this shit
project too big
i merged it in, hopefully it builds succesfully
give it like 5 more mins then refresh and the option should appear
tepid nest
I don’t think anything added at the moment besides the H6D/5D are full mf
I can’t remember how many of those I even added yet
lol the older ccd sensors are an odd size too
H5D-50 36.7 x 49.1mm CCD Sensor
errant fox
what do we call that
tepid nest
Annoying sounds correct
It’s still MF crop technically
I think the ratio will just not be accurate but 🤷♂️
versed fjord
`windows + shift + s` bro
idk why im so far back but windows shift s my beloved
frosty plaza
cmd + shift + 4 >>>
frosty plaza
😭
jagged epoch
Yall have fun with mf
versed fjord
you cannot be talking rgb gamer boy
im goated
i love pc
my gpu was 250$ and does everything i want in 1440p 
jagged epoch
Ok all rf lenses have their images done
proven glade
@errant fox give more slots
errant fox
Oh weird don’t know it was limited
What camera has more than 2 though lmao
Black magic added btw
proven glade
What camera has more than 2 though lmao
some cameras have internal storage, like the Sigma BF and the H6D-100c
not sure if you want to include that in storage slots or have that be a different datapoint
errant fox
Probably separate I guess
proven glade
also add chroma subsampling to video mode manager
and LongGOP/ALL-I brush
alongside LPCM/AAC brush
also in video fps, the Panasonic system has this thing called Slow&Quick that allows you to record at 1,2,5,10,15,25,30,50,60,100,120,150,180 fps at 1080p but the exception of no MF at 150fps and APS-C only at 180fps
I see we only go down to 20fps
in 24Hz and 59.94Hz system frequency it also allows you to shoot 24 and 48fps
@errant fox what to put here if it supports B
what the fuck
just spent half an hour outlining every video mode
putting this here
errant fox
what the fuck
Rip sorry
proven glade
lol
proven glade
I would've wanted to be more specific actually cause 5.8K is 17:9 and only achieveable with ProRes while 5.9K is 16:9 and only achieveable in H265 MOV
errant fox
Sheesh
proven glade
codecs codecs codecs
5.9 is also LCPM audio while 5.8 is AAC
can I submit? or is this a hard limit of something @errant fox
errant fox
It’s a hard limit
I’m out for the day
Maybe remove one line or whatever is needed to make it pass and I can manually add the rest
I’ll up the limit a little bit as this seems like not really an edge case
@proven glade
But will have to do that tomorrow
jagged epoch
also in video fps, the Panasonic system has this thing called Slow&Quick that al...
just make a number box atp lmao
proven glade
Clocking out of unpaid labor
jagged epoch
@errant fox how are items in a user's collection arranged right now?
errant fox
Cameras grouped together by release date newest to oldest then lenses sorted by focal length
errant fox
<@82988532766867456> what to put here if it supports B
Longest except bulb, we will specify bulb separately
jagged epoch
Same here, canon has a "bulb timer" that lets you set exposures up to 100 hours (it's technically not bulb)
All canons have 30s max so I've been doing that
errant fox
Yup
errant fox
guys instagram post builder is cracked
just made these 4 posts in less than like 5 minutes
shy solar
guys instagram post builder is cracked
interesting
jagged epoch
just made these 4 posts in less than like 5 minutes
4....?
Are my eyes deceiving me
stoic wharf
wait hold up
jagged epoch
Use Google smh
stoic wharf
floh made this?
jagged epoch
Or Discord
jagged epoch
floh made this?
Yea
jagged epoch
thats fucking awesome
I contributed like 70% of the content 🔥 🔥 🔥
But anyways back to the problem
@alpine horizon Try Google sign in
alpine horizon
<@331001909232009218> Try Google sign in
I tried
jagged epoch
Try again
alpine horizon
I have
jagged epoch
Proof
stoic wharf
try doing it in incognito maybe
alpine horizon
Idk how to give proof?
stoic wharf
Or screenshot of error
#🐒・gear-discussion
stoic wharf
oops
alpine horizon
alpine horizon
Is that the google error or email error
Thats email error
errant fox
Weird
alpine horizon
😆
errant fox
It’s working for me 
alpine horizon
What da fuckles
jagged epoch
What da fuckles
Website doesnt like you 
errant fox
Just signed up with a new google account
alpine horizon
floh made it to hate me
jagged epoch
🔥 🔥 🔥
alpine horizon
Doesnt work on edge either
errant fox
I’ll have to help you tomorrow
alpine horizon
All gucci 
errant fox
Wait I found error
jagged epoch
-# ~~ bro was accidentally blacklisted ~~
alpine horizon
Ooo 
alpine horizon
Whats broken 😂
errant fox
try again now
jagged epoch
ok floh now delete his account for funny
jagged epoch
Give it some time, it took a little while for my profile to update when I changed my usertag
errant fox
click this
https://www.sharplyphoto.com/profile
alpine horizon
same erorr
alpine horizon
britishism
alpine horizon
errant fox
bro what
errant fox
cool
alpine horizon
now to figure how to add my gear
stoic wharf
is it supposed to look like this
jagged epoch
Phone user 
alpine horizon
If you're gonna do random letters do more smh <:contrarianoliv:11564240374849864...
its my initials idiot
jade knoll
bro u spelled Greg like REALLY wrong
jagged epoch
what are you
Laptop
alpine horizon
Shame
stoic wharf
my laptop is currently being repaired by anjit from buysellrepairs after i spilled a fucking chobani 30g protein yogurt drink on it
😔
jagged epoch
proven glade
just made these 4 posts in less than like 5 minutes
bro recycling
minor bough
what
minor bough
not sure, over 20 atleast by now
im member 8 and given theres like 30 in this chat id say theres 30 or more
errant fox
BTW, how many accounts are there (on sharplyphoto)?
35
gusty yoke
Would been more if I hadn’t blocked people from signing up for last 5 days
Why tho?
I mean why did you blocked?
errant fox
when i migrated auth providers i accidentally set a default value for member_number on the user table to 0
i thought that this would get overridden by the auto-incrementing identifier in the database, but apparently it does not
so every user was getting member_number 0 which is impossible since it has to be unique, so adding a user row failed
gusty yoke
Oof
jolly quarry
@errant fox coiuld you possibly rename the leica q1 to Leica Q [Typ 116] when you review my suggestion thanks
errant fox
with brackets?
jolly quarry
yes]
errant fox
is that really how it is on their site?
jolly quarry
they dont actually have it on their website anymore
but thats how they list their [typ] cameras on their website i think
circular brackets mb
summicron sl 28 f2
(ill just bash a few out)
MEV1
dlux8
M typ 262
M typ 246
jolly quarry
leica m monochrom (NOT typ 246)
i copy pasted on a leica body cap from the 262 because the photo didnt have a cap on it exposing a really wonky shutter
no worries
leica ME typ 220
m10 and m10 monochrom
m11, m11 monochrom
cant find the m8, m8.2 or m9 in decent quality so rip
errant fox
leica m monochrom (NOT typ 246)
i copy pasted on a leica body cap from the 262 ...
we actually prefer seeing shutter
errant fox
its fine this time though don't worry about it
jolly quarry
theres none with exposed sensors anyway
leica are picky as fuck
proven glade
@astral trail
jolly quarry
they only ever post photos with body caps on
versed fjord
if all the others have caps then its good consistency
jolly quarry
if all the others have caps then its good consistency
yeah i suppose
jagged epoch
they only ever post photos with body caps on
Time to buy them and take your own photos
All of them, "for consistency"
jolly quarry
errant fox
anyone know 85 cameras not on the site yet?
jagged epoch
anyone know 85 cameras not on the site yet?
Does this include items without specs
errant fox
yes
errant fox
true
jagged epoch
I'll speedrun nikon when I finish all canon specs and images
errant fox
also analog cameras are available now
jagged epoch
also analog cameras are available now
Also, could you make a sort option for "spec completion" in the gear browser
errant fox
isn't that just https://www.sharplyphoto.com/lists/under-construction
errant fox
ah hm
jagged epoch
"Under construction" only shows incomplete
errant fox
i don't really want to be public facing
jagged epoch
Copy paste gear browser into admin 
errant fox
maybe just sort by release date though and do higher first, because that's the order they will appear on the site to public
jagged epoch
Mhm
astral trail
<@148507821686652928>
hmm
proven glade
idk why I sent that in sharply
versed fjord
Someone go do those
nikon people just did all the cameras they have personally 😭
proven glade
cool graphics
jagged epoch
nikon people just did all the cameras they have personally 😭
They never gonna be me fr
I did every canon digital slr and mirrorless in existence 🔥 🔥 🔥
proven glade
scanned 6 APs and it recommended I half my channel width for 5GHz
versed fjord
free labor aint for me
proven glade
didn't know that even did anything
versed fjord
i did mostly lenses lol
errant fox
<@82988532766867456> coiuld you possibly rename the leica q1 to Leica Q [Typ 116...
so there is no Leica Q1?
jagged epoch
I think it's just called Q
versed fjord
both 200-400s and 28-75 f2.8 g2
jagged epoch
Or Typ whatever
proven glade
so there is no Leica Q1?
thats like calling the first world war World War 1 before knowing there was going to be World War 2
pessimistic ass naming
errant fox
so is this correct now https://www.sharplyphoto.com/gear/leica-q-type-116
and are there other types?
proven glade
yes, Typ is like model number in Leica's world
the only thing actually referred to by it's Typ is the Typ240
which is the M
jagged epoch
We shit on fuji and sony naming but meanwhile leica 
proven glade
Leica can have a shit naming convention, cause the Leica S is the Typ007
and that's coola s fuck
jolly quarry
and are there other types?
none that we already have
we basically have the typs, though theres variants of the m11 and stuff like the M11P, M11D, etc
jagged epoch
Paid skins
jolly quarry
but theyre mostly just changes on the outside (display, etc)
proven glade
but theyre mostly just changes on the outside (display, etc)
big changes though
not having a display is a new camera altogether
jagged epoch
M11D with no screen
proven glade
look at the XPro3 and XPro2
jagged epoch
Xpro3 weird ass screen
errant fox
XPro3 cracked screen
jolly quarry
could just be a footnotes thing
errant fox
waist level shooting 🔥
jagged epoch
Xpro4 with no screen when
proven glade
XPro3 is the perfect screen cause it's so waist-level focus and puts you in the zone
jagged epoch
They lowk need to drop xpro4 already
jolly quarry
could just be a footnotes thing
i guess
proven glade
I wouldn't mind XPro4 having the XPro3 screen but just overhead-shooting viable
so waist-level and overhead, the rest idc
proven glade
@astral trail my objectives for tonight is to make sure people have internet and the printer works
also I still don't know why I'm talking about this in Sharply
astral trail
<@148507821686652928> my objectives for tonight is to make sure people have inte...
LOOK AT THE LOOOGSSS
proven glade
the logs don't have shit
proven glade
I need to sit down and actually figure out networking
jolly quarry
need basic specs added before images can be added
i did the M and Q cameras, just not the SL lens yet
ill do maybe a few tn
proven glade
i did the M and Q cameras, just not the SL lens yet
marco you doing photos?
errant fox
he sent a bunch above, i'm adding them
proven glade
champ
jolly quarry
is this correct image?
theres a dark grey versuon
but thats the only one i could find thats decent resolution
jolly quarry
until you try to find an older camera or niche camera
m8 and m9 i couldnt find fuck all aby
errant fox
this looks so goofy
jolly quarry
yeah
errant fox
errant fox
m8 and m9 i couldnt find fuck all aby
all these images are from leica site?
jolly quarry
all these images are from leica site?
theyre from a mix of camera sites (b&h, etc) bc all the pages for the cameras before m11 dont exist on the website
i couldnt find any leica store ones
jolly quarry
has to be the manufacturer images
so theres literally not gonna be images for the older cameras
cool!
errant fox
a lot of the the time the ones you can find on other sites will be the manufacturer ones
but you need to confirm that
by comparing lighting etc.
jolly quarry
ah
errant fox
dpreview takes all of their own photos afaik
errant fox
read this when you have time
Capturing Images
Gear images for thumbnails should be front facing images captured at 50mm, deep apertures like f/8 or f/9, and with no lens on the camera.
Sensor will be digitally enhanced or replace in final result if needed.
Finding Images
To find images start by looking for a manufacturer press release. They often include images intended for news and press use available for download.
It is absolutely essential that you do not ever grab images from sites other than manufacturers sites. Images from sites like DP Review or other review sites are strictly off limits.
For Cameras
Make sure to use the front facing image with no lens (sensor showing). If one is not available, choose the best available front-facing image. Prefer w body cap, then w/ lens if needed.
For Lenses
Prefer a horizontal left facing (front element facing left, mount facing right) image with front element visible. If one is not available, look for a vertiaclly aligned image with front element visible that can be rotated to face left.
Processing Images
- Import into Photoshop
- Remove background if there is one, make sure edges are clean, no white or black left. Do this before sizing the image down.
- Select > Subject
- Select > Modify > Contract > 1px (check "apply effect at image bounds")
- Make sure to remove any holes for straps or in small details
- If it's a lens and not facing left (front element toward left) rotate into that orientation
- Crop tightly on all edges (aspect ratio does not matter)
- If image is larger than 1000px wide, do Image > Image Size > Select "Pixels" for Width > Type 1000px for pixel value leaving resolution at 72 and resampling automatic
- Export as .webp (File > Save As or Save a Copy > Format = webp)
- Select 75% quality, do not include any metadata or extras
Uploading Images
After processing the image properly and saving it as a webp, admins can visit the gear item's page and click "manage image" button on right side to upload the image
errant fox
Gear list is looking real nice, if you scroll here there's very few items without images for a while
https://www.sharplyphoto.com/browse
jagged epoch
read this when you have time
# Capturing Images
Gear images for thumbnails shoul...
oh floh, what do I do if the image is severely low res
like 300px long edge
I've just been gimp scaling to 1000px, it looks ok in thumbnail
tepid nest
B&H uses manufacturers photos for a lot of stuff and they often have higher resolution versions too.
jagged epoch
I'm talking about 1990s lenses 
errant fox
if it's modern item and 300px then just skip and find another or we take ourselves
if it's from 1990 then almost 0% chance its a press asset
so we just take ourselves
jagged epoch
ok, note to redo all the old canon lenses
I have the canon museum one as placeholders
errant fox
so old canon lenses rn have 300px canon meusuem photos?
anything from 1929 or earlier is automatically public domain
jagged epoch
so old canon lenses rn have 300px canon meusuem photos?
all canon museum
errant fox
why would you do this when i said not to use canon meuseum lol
errant fox
just avoid it entrely, there's a note on the bottom that images can't be reused for any purposes
jagged epoch
canon europe keeps a surprisingly large database of 2000s stuff
hmm ok
I will leave the ones I can't find empty then
tepid nest
Good thing bro rushed through as many as possible
jagged epoch
good luck actually buying those items to take photos of in the future tho 
errant fox
it's fine
rather have nothing than illegal
can you try to list each one that has these images
jagged epoch
sure i guess
errant fox
i just did a bunch that had low res images from 90s
narrow bloom
22-55💀
errant fox
most manufacturers provide lens diagrams right?
narrow bloom
canon camera museum has one for everything on the site im pretty sure
errant fox
canon meuseum is off limits
narrow bloom
y
errant fox
all copyrighted
narrow bloom
fuk
errant fox
there's a not that images are not to be reused in any way
narrow bloom
there's a not that images are not to be reused in any way
wait so then how tf do we get diagrams without stealing
we just search for sources that let us use them?
errant fox
probably cant
unless its on the product page maybe it would be ok
idk
yeah lets just avoid
narrow bloom
errant fox
or we can design them ourselves based on the information 💀
narrow bloom
cooked
tepid nest
I know Hassy gives diagrams and mtf charts in the spec sheets for most of their newer lenses. Wish they all did that